Much Ado About Nothing

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with a story that will not die because Roger Goodell
has not allowed it to die. Yesterday we had the
State of the League address from Roger Goodell. He talked
for forty five minutes. I didn't think he shared very
much info. I didn't think the questioning was that good,
But he finally made some public comments about the Saints

(02:33):
and the Rams game, and in particular the bad calls
that have hung over this Super Bowl so far this
year because Roger Goodell hasn't just put this story to bed.
I still didn't think he did a particularly good job
responding to these questions, but we have the audio for
you will let you judge. Here was Roger Goodell yesterday

(02:53):
addressing the controversy that came out of the Ram Saints game.
We understand the frustration of the fans. I've talked to
Coach Peyton, the team, the players, and whenever officiating is
part of any kind of discussion post game, it's never
a good outcome for us. But we also know our
officials are human. We also know that they're officiating a

(03:16):
game that moves very quickly and have to make snap decisions,
and they're not going to get it right every time.
We have worked very hard to bring technology in to
try to make sure we could do whatever is possible
to address those issues. But technology is not going to
solve all those issues. The game is not officiated by robots.
It's not it's not going to be, but we have

(03:38):
to continue to go down that path. The other complication
is that it was a no call. Our coaches and
clubs have been very resistant and there has not been
support to date about having a replay official or somebody
in New York throw a flag when there's no flag.
They have not voted for that in the past. It's

(03:58):
something that we're going to put to the Competition committee,
but the reality is that's been at least an opposition
philosophically for many clubs. So ultimately there's not gonna be
any resolution, it doesn't sound like, and maybe there's not
gonna be anything that changes at all coming out of
this game, which means we've still got this possibility of
a major call like this disrupting who gets to play

(04:20):
for the Super Bowl. I think that's a bad result.
I think when you have a fundamental failure of your game.
First of all, we still haven't heard anything about what's
being done to this official. Is there any punishment, Is
there any suspension? Is there any sort of significant consequence
for his error? So far, there hasn't been a suggestion
that the answer is yes at all. We don't know

(04:42):
On top of that, All of that was just a
lot of nothing from Roger Goodell. So I said, look,
the day after that game, which has now been like
ten or eleven days ago, I came on and I said, look,
if I were the commissioner of the NFL, you don't
need to pay me forty five million dollars a year.
I would have immediately come out that Monday and I

(05:02):
would have addressed the failure in that situation, and I
would have said, look, we are going to aggressively examine
expanding replay. This is not complicated. We have an existing
challenge policy that is in place in the NFL. How
often do you see, and this drives me crazy, multimillion

(05:22):
dollar coaches try to challenge plays that are not challengeable.
Why not allow pretty much everything to be challenged in
the game if it can be proven to be a
hundred percent wrong, which is the standard that exists now.
But do what you already do, which is limit the
number of times you can allow a challenge flag to

(05:43):
be thrown. That way, you don't worry about the game
getting two bogged down. You don't worry about a coach
deciding to throw a flag on a four yard a
four yard pass interference foul in the first quarter, because
you wouldn't want to waste your challenge in the event

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you didn't win it, and it would preserve the opportunity
to challenge egregious plays like this. I also think you
could maintain the same standard that you have now, which
is questionable plays that occur in the final two minutes
of the first half and of the second half are
automatically reviewed. I think the NFL has gotten a lot

(06:27):
of instant replay right. I think it's been smart and
intelligent about the way that it's applied it and continued
to adjust those rules. I don't understand why you wouldn't
continue to evolve when your game itself has been challenged
by a major error. This seems to me to be
of the utmost importance for fans out there who want

(06:47):
to believe in the outcome of the games that they watch.
And even if you're not a Saints fan, even if
you're in Atlanta and you're a Falcons fan and you
hate the Saints, even then I think you need to
contemplate how you would respond if this happened to your team,
with them on the precipice of making the playoffs. Uh,
I'm sorry. Making the super Bowl in the playoffs, I

(07:10):
think you would lose your mind. And so all the
lawsuits and everything else. I think that's a bad precedent.
I'm not of the opinion that you need to resolve that,
that you need to bring the teams back on the field.
I think all of that's crazy. And I think the
precedent you would be setting is awful. But I do
think that when you find a flaw in your game,
if you are a proactive commissioner, you need to work

(07:32):
to address that flaw and make things better. And I
don't believe right now Roger Goodell, in his say to
the Union addressed there that happened yesterday here in Atlanta,
did a good job setting in place parameters to allow
this to ensure that this never happens again. And uh,
and and I just think that's a bad look. I
want to bring in the crew. I want to get

(07:53):
you guys opinions. Do you agree with me that right
now it appears that nothing is going to change about
the way that we do instant replay review in the NFL,
and that in theory, that would mean the way that
this game ended. And I'm gonna start with Danny g
here in Atlanta. The way this game ended, it's still
potentially gonna happen again, which is what I think every

(08:15):
NFL fan doesn't want to see happen. Well, I think
our only hope is that Sean Payton is on the committee.
Uh So, if he gets together with the rest of
the committee members and really does a hard push, maybe
something can happen sooner than later. But you're exactly right
about Goodell. He said nothing yesterday that he could have
said twelve days ago. It was really generic. He seemed

(08:37):
like he was kind of talking around things, and we
wanted specifics, the whole country wanted specifics, and he offered none.
He is really not good at fielding questions and responding,
and I think partly it's because he doesn't emote in
any way like he He seems like a robot when
he answers questions. And I thought the NFL, it appeared

(08:57):
to me, had really aggressively lined up questions that were
easy for him, even though though by far the only
thing people cared about was the result. There. Let me
go out to uh to l a uh coop. What
do you think I mean? Is there any kind of
solution here or do you feel like I did that
They're basically just gonna leave this major gaping issue in

(09:18):
the game that could happen again, might not happen again
for five years, might happen next year, might not happen
for fifteen years, but it will happen again at some
point in time. I think has our l A studio
gone down as a major earthquake getting there? No? Yes,
here's here's what I think. I know why you're saying

(09:39):
that you don't think anything is gonna happen, But I
think he kind of used some some uh, I don't know,
weasel terminology there. He said that when they were talking
about look real replaying judgment calls, he said, clubs have
been there's you know, they've been against that to date.
That was the word that stuck out in my mind
to date. So I feel like this being so a

(10:00):
he just in being such a big story, maybe when
they re look at it this offseason, it's gonna be
a little different than it was in in years past.
See here's where I think Roger Goodell needs to be
able to speak on behalf of the fan. I know
he makes forty five million dollars. But to me, he
is the conduit he should be to the owners for
the fans in order to make sure that his game

(10:22):
is as good as it can be. I think he
should have come out and endorsed the idea of expanding
instant replay, even if they don't agree with him. He
could have said, look, I hear the here the frustration
of fans. We blew this. In my opinion, we should
adjust our instant replay rules to try to ensure that
this never happens again. And then if it doesn't happen,

(10:44):
He's at least said I'm in favor of it, and
I'm pushing as hard as I can for something like
that to happen. He didn't say that. Uh, Eddie Garcia,
are you with me? That Goodell, even eleven twelve days later,
still doesn't be able to seem to be able to
hit the right tone. Absolutely, And uh, I've always said
this about Roger Goodell. He is not a leader, and
I don't think he ever will be. I just don't

(11:05):
think that's in him. And I think he basically deferred
to the Competition Committee and and all but said if
they want to change something, then we'll look into it.
But uh, he didn't offer any kind of, like I said,
leadership in any way. And I'm not surprised at all. Yeah,
And that's been my biggest criticism of Roger Goodell during
his tenure at the helm of the NFL. It has
been that to me, if you're gonna pay a guy

(11:26):
forty five million dollars a year, I want you to
be proactive in avoiding disasters for my league. Don't just
react to bad things that happen and try to, you know,
after the damn breaks, try to stop the water from
pouring over the wall, try to think about the structural
failures that might exist beforehand, to protect the league, to

(11:48):
protect the shield, as he likes to say it. And
I just don't think he's done it. Uh, dub. What
do you think that that press conference? Anything impress you
at all about Goodell's performance? Impressively not be the word
I'm looking at. But in terms of the rule committee
and all that, you go back to des is you know,
catch no catch that was kind of the poster child

(12:09):
of that rule change, but it still took three years
and and you know a handful more of instances for
that to actually get changed. So I could. I wouldn't
be surprised if this is similar where it's gonna take.
This will be the poster child, but it's gonna take
a few more instances before they actually change the rule. Yeah,
catch no catches at least a complicated thing, right, Like
you can watch a lot of us can watch a

(12:29):
play and fifty of us can be like, hey, I
think that's a catch. Fifty percent of us can be
like hey, I don't think that's a catch. This. To me,
every single human being saw that this was a penalty
that should have been called and it was not. And
to me, that's that's kind of the challenge. I mean,
I think it's more difficult to define what it catches
than to say, hey, when every single human watching a

(12:52):
game can tell that a penalty occurred, and you don't
have a system to allow that penalty to be to
be applied accurately or to be fair when you totally
with on a penalty like happened in the a f
C Championship game with Tom Brady on the hit, to me,
you should be able to have a challenge there, throw
a flag, say yeah, guys, he didn't touch him. And
if you could do that one time a game. I

(13:12):
think you hold it until it's a significant time or
so you know a hundred percent that it didn't happen
orberto are you all in yeah? Man, uh Goodell was
a clown. He's a bozo, and there's anything of substance
there yesterday. But I think the competition committee that that
play was so controversial. I think that something's gonna happen.
They're gonna do something about replay. What's wild to me

(13:33):
is I guarantee you that he did a mock press
conference many times before, right, so they they had I
guarantee you that he practices those performances and that basically
any question he can be asked, he's gone over a
ton of times before, and that's his answer. Like I
I just I really think he does a poor job

(13:53):
again of advocating on behalf of the fans and thinking
in a proactive and intelligent fashion of about the evolution
of the game and what he needs to be in
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in Atlanta for Super Bowl fifty three. Good stuff as
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(17:47):
him on Madden calling the games, and certainly you can
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four Fox during the NFL season. Charles, what's the storyline
gonna be? Calm? I don't know about ten o'clock Eastern
on Sunday night in your mind, if you had to predict,
did the Rams actually get pressure inside on Tom Brady

(18:08):
and make things uncomfortable? Because when we've seen him struggle
and I'm doing the Joey Tribandi air quotes right now, ruggle,
that's been the kind of pressure that's been in his face.
I'm thinking most most specifically the Super Bowl Bus's specifically
the Super Bowls Giants getting that type of pressure on

(18:29):
him Seahawks until Cliff April's injury. Those types of plays
Donald Sue Brockers if they're much more up the gut
in his face and then allow a Dante Fowler to
get to him a little bit more from the outside.
That's kind of the storyline I'm looking at. I do
think the running the football, you know, while cliche is

(18:49):
important in both cases here. I think Todd Gurley bounces
back and plays well in this one. But can either
side establish a good running game and the rams you know,
defense of we have not been great against the run,
except in the playoffs. Playoffs have been terrific against the run.
So can they keep that up against New England team
that's really showing that that's a big part of their
game now with Sony Michelle. But I really think it

(19:12):
comes down to did they get pressure on Brady and
make him uncomfortable and make him throw fifty plus times?
If so, then then then then we may have the
heck of a storyline when it's all said and done.
One of the things that I believe is certainly true
about this game is that there's not very much that
can occur for Brady and Belichick that changes our opinion
of them. Would you agree whether they're six and three

(19:34):
in the Super Bowl or five and four? We really
don't leave this game thinking very much different about them
as the greatest quarterback and coach combo we've ever seen.
Or do you think the Patriots have a lot at
stake here other than the usual? Like you always want
to win the Super Bowl? But if we're talking about
this in ten years, is five and four or six
and three a substantial difference now? I think it's more

(19:55):
of the former than the latter. And one thing that
I'll point to is we all are kind of getting
a kick out of Tom Brady convincing his team because
he didn't care about us, but he has convinced his
team that they're underdogs and everyone hates us. You know,
everyone thinks was that he said everyone thinks we suck?
He's done a masterful job of that. From the outside,

(20:17):
we're all like, what the heck, what are you talking about?
I mean, no one ever thinks that, but he's he
would point out, and I would say, accurately, Hey, one,
you didn't think that we would ever get to the
Super Bowl this year too. Most of you picked the
Chargers against us, and I would be counted in that number.
I'm not backing away from that now, and and and

(20:38):
and just go down the line with all the different slights. Right,
we've seen that viral video of Edelman in his face
after this, after through the interception, with the motivation of
your too old. What he meant was everyone's been telling
you you're too old. Let me motivate you some more.
And off they go. So the bottom line, Clay is
definitely more the former, because when you got it, ten

(21:00):
years from now and beyond, everyone's gonna look back and say,
you know something, that was the year we didn't think
they'd make the Super Bowl, as opposed to a year that,
oh yeah, well we counted the Patriots in. This was
the year that they were ultimately vulnerable and wouldn't make
it to the Super Bowl. And once again, all of
us who thought that, you know, anyone who who claimed

(21:21):
that egg on their face again, the Patriots proved us
wrong nine times in eighteen years in a time frame
of football. Clay that is not supposed to happen Somewhere.
Pete Roselle is like holding the second when I said parody.
I didn't mean this. You know, by any stretch of
the imagination, they beat the system and and to me
that is just phenomenal what they've done in this era

(21:42):
of football. Do you think this is Rob Gronkowski's final game?
Nothing would surprise me, Absolutely nothing would surprise me. But
I have to admit, Clay that when players hint at
it all the time, my years go deaf. You know,
just just just just let me know if he's at
camp next year. I don't. I don't spend any more

(22:02):
time on it. I really don't. And that's not a knock,
that's not a rip, that's not ah, you know, me
trying to be something more than whatever. But you know,
after a while, Look, I was raised listen, I'm fifty
four years old. I was raised doing during a golden
era of boxing. Name a champion through that time that
after a big fight didn't mention he was retiring or

(22:23):
hinting and retiring. How often did that stick? Almost never.
Boxing boxers come back more than anyone but football players.
You know, we're in that era now of big ben
At the end of every year seems like, you know, fatigue,
I'm done, and you know, he's gonna be a camp
the next year, you know. So again with with with Grock,

(22:43):
I can understand why he would say it. I can
understand where his body is, with the number of surgeries
he's had, as as hard nose as he plays, It's
something that's probably legitimate for him. But it gets discussed
so often. As I said, I don't even listen. Just
tell me if he's in camp next year. And again
that's not to denigrade it at all, it's just I
don't have any time for the conversation. It's not worth

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it to me. Do you think that there will be
lasting damage to the NFL's brand from the way that
the Rams Saints game? Ended? In other words, by next year?
Obviously it's a big topic still in Atlanta as we
get ready for this Super Bowl. But do you think
it will still be discussed come September when things come
back around. Do you think it will linger as a

(23:25):
negative story or do you think by the next football
season this thing just kind of disappears into the dust
bin of history. It'll be more of a footnote. But
it would have gone away faster if the league had
come out right after the ballgame or the next day
and said, you know something, we know that there are
numerous you know, there were multiple other miscalls in this game,

(23:47):
but the one everyone's talking about in the most focuses
on this one. We missed the call. We apologize for
the error. See you see you next week. I'm just
telling you, Clay, every every redemption story starts within a
bology or an acknowledgement, right. I mean, it's just the
way it is. You you do. You screw up at home,
you tell your wife you're sorry, you messed up at work,

(24:09):
you tell your boss you're sorry, and you work hard,
never never to have it happen again. That's your best
opportunity towards moving forward and putting it in the background.
For it takes for it to have taken as long
as it did for the league to have the public acknowledgement.
And I know the league would say, hey, Davis, we
called and we are or Shawn called us, or we
called him and told him right then and there that
was a miscall. Yeah, that didn't help the fans. That

(24:33):
didn't help. That didn't help the people who support the Saints.
And I can tell you forget you know, empirical or anecdotally,
this happened. I was in Mobile the next week for
the Senior ball mobiles, what an hour or so, a
little bit more than an hour away from New Orleans
that Saints territory. Do you know how much chatter continued

(24:55):
about it? And understandably so if you're Saints Span, you're
very upset about it. But the way the chatter went,
no acknowledgement. It seemed like, you guys, it seemed like
the league wanted the Rams to win. How could that
call be missed and nothing be done about it, you know,
filing a lawsuit wanting Roger Goodell to overturn the I mean,
it went on and on. I actually had some snot

(25:16):
nose punk roll up on me. And yes I used
that term because because because he could not have been
more rude or nasty. It's one of the few times
in my life that I really thought about violence. Okay,
And he rolled up on me and oh, it's a
cartel and it's this, and it's that I wanted to
put my hands on this cat just because of the
way he rolled up on me, like he thought I

(25:38):
did something where you know I could do this. I was.
I was in a restaurant in Mobile, and he just
approached you and he was like blaming you for the
outcome of that game. Yeah, but he but he approached
me with four other adults in the background. It's almost
like they had a little thing like, watched me roll
up on this cat and see what I do. And
it had a bad air to it, much more more

(25:58):
like it was performance theater. And I'm really mad at
myself for actually somewhat taking eight and getting upset about
the whole thing, because you know, all the arguments are there.
The problem is you can't you can't argue with the illogical.
It just doesn't work. And I right, and I I
totally get it from from where you said. But I'm
just telling you the bottom line is that's just one incident.

(26:21):
But I heard it so many times and again. What
Saints fans have been totally satisfied by by a statement
answers No, But I'm just telling you they would have
moved quicker past it, because once you do that and
acknowledge that that was a blown thing, you know, it
allows the rest of us to do Okay, that was blown.
You still kicked the field goal and you're up three. Okay,

(26:44):
that was blown, But you got too overtime coin flip.
You had ball first and everyone's screaming and yelling about,
you know, the coin flip and over time and look
what happened. Kansasy didn't touch it. I say that's mainly
because we all like Patrick Mahomes so much. We wanted
to see him get one more shot with the ball.
Definitely true because because Clay in the very first game
of the day, the Saints got the ball first in

(27:06):
overtime and through an interception in the Rams scored and
everybody flipped it around. In the Kansasy New England game,
that overtimes unfair, but they didn't mention it. In the
Saints game. Overtime worked the way it was intended to work.
You have a defense, you have an opportunity. I can
just tell you I'm not churmudgeon that Mrs Sudden Death.
I'm one of the few I know that, and I
get it. I'm not asking for it to go back

(27:27):
to that. But the whole idea that is totally unfair.
I would argue that all day long because I just
saw it in the Saints game. Last year. Doug Peterson
and Nick Foles became made men forever when they won
a Super Bowl, right, it changed their life forever. I
don't think it really changed Brady and Belichick's life very much.
If Sean McVeigh and Jared Goff win this Super Bowl,

(27:50):
Jared Goff twenty four years old, Sean McVeigh thirty three
years old, how incredible is that going to be for them?
Given their youth to think about in years and years ahead,
they have to be much more to gain and honestly
not that much to lose, because I don't think anybody
necessarily anticipated that being here this soon. Yeah, that that

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that is definitely true. I'll give you the contrarian view
on the whole thing. They win it now, they better
win more because otherwise everything flips on them. To win
this young and have that many more opportunities ahead, people
expect you to win more and more. Part of what's

(28:30):
going on with Aaron Rodgers now is he won the
one Super Bowl. What's happened since then? Now we all
know that that's not all on him, duh. But at
the same time, when you win really young, people want
to see you do it again and again and again.
Otherwise it actually changes the narrative on you. And that's
not necessarily how this whole thing works. Look at the
number of one one hit wonders in terms of maybe

(28:53):
even winning the Super Bowl as a head coach. Don McCafferty,
the easy Rider, won it with Baltimore, never even came
us again, lost his job a couple of years later,
goes to Detroit. Doesn't come close to recapturing that magic.
Just keep going down the line, you know, and you
look at it. Other guys, if they have disappointment early,

(29:13):
they get redemption. John Elway the number of Super Bowls lost,
we talked now more about always redemption in super Bowls
and doesn't still have a losing record. Yeah, okay, but
we don't talk about that because John came back and
pat Bowl. And this one's for John, you know, I mean,
it was phenomenal and I'm not again taking that down

(29:35):
by any peg at all. It's one of the great
stories that we've had because he went through the mill Man.
They didn't just lose super Bowls, they got pounded, Okay,
So so for him to come back and win and
both of those well, the first one was a definite
upset because they'd big Green bat the second one they
were expected to win and they did. But John was
old and he still was playing at a really high level.

(29:57):
So it works both ways. And I hate to put
that on on McVeigh and Jared Goffel when you look
at their their youth winning it and as you said,
maybe even early now, we gotta look and see will
they win more? Well, will they have more because we're
going to expect them to win more because they have
a lot of career out ahead of them. You mentioned
that you were at the Senior Bowl, and we're talking

(30:17):
to Charles Davis at CFD two. Right after this game,
there's gonna be a lot of attention shifting to the
NFL Draft. I'm down at the radio row. They've been
promoting the fact that Nashville is gonna put on a
heck of a show for the NFL Draft in the
last weekend. I believe in April, what do you what
did you see at the Senior Bowl? Who do you
think will be some good storylines as we kind of

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start to turn the page towards what might happen in
the draft. Well, you know, we don't have an offensive
lineman like Quinton Nelson. I mean, he was just so special,
but we have a lot of them that are pretty
darn good. So teams who who who are building you
may not be the sexiest choices in the world, but
there are plenty of guys out there are going to
help you both sides of the ball that are alignment.

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As far as Senior Bowl quarter of backs, it's gonna
be a race now because I think Kyler Murray and
Dwayne Haskins, who are not eligible for the Senior Ball,
actually benefited just fine because Drew Lock was the best
quarterback I saw there from Missouri. But I don't know
if he did enough that all of a sudden we're saying, hey,
he's ahead of those other guys. That's the first rounder

(31:20):
in your round. I think Drew Lock is a first rounder,
but I don't know that he's a first rounder right
out of the gate. He's gonna be interesting to see
where people rate Murray. Okay, and I told people this story.
I'll be real quick. I watched tape on the flight
from Atlanta to Mobile with a scout in the NFL,
a national scout, and he said, hey, watch this with me.

(31:42):
So we watched like twenty plays of Kyler Murray and
he looked me dead in the eye and he said,
look I'm just gonna tell you straight up, I don't
like small players. And I went, we up, gets this
conversation short then right, no pun intended? And he said,
but I love this kid. So this Murray conversation is
going to continue to be interesting, Clay, because there'll be

(32:04):
plenty of people who love him and probably now have
how would I say, at the wherewithal and the freedom?
Because Mayfield has been good, Brees has been good, Russell
Wilson has been good. To pick a smaller quarterback and
that means first round for him because of his talent.
I mean, guy could throw it, move you can, you
name it. But Dwayne Haskins is more your prototype of

(32:27):
what it looks like, and I think the best quarterback
on the board if you're talking about just that set,
that size, what we're used to looking at. But it
would be interesting to see how it goes because to me,
after that, that's when Locke starts to come into play. Yeah.
I think that's been one of the big stories is
that Drew lock looked really good. So I'm glad you
kind of echo that because that's what I read the

(32:49):
most as I tried to pay attention to what happened
down there. Appreciate the time, my man. Uh have a
good uh Super Bowl Sunday, and I'm sure we'll talk
to you again soon. You do the same. Take care
of yourself off now we'll do. That's Charles Davis at
c f D twenty two. Go follow him on Twitter.
When we come back, we'll dive into uh, what I
think is still the controversy surrounding Roger Goodell's performance there,

(33:14):
and also ask the question do we believe in uh
Tom Brady. I want to kind of start this discussion.
We'll probably talk about it a little bit more tomorrow
as well, but is Brady actually the greatest team athlete
of all time? Is that what is at stake here?
Because he would equal Michael Jordan's with six championships and

(33:35):
by all time. Look, I'm not talking about it going
all the way back necessarily to Bill Russell or or
that era, but I mean, like you know, the last
forty years or so, I think we'd be on a
Jordan's versus Brady discussion. Who is actually more impressive? We'll
discuss this is out Kicked the coverage on Fox Sports Radio.
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if first of all, the game goes in, the Patriots

(34:41):
go out and win, and Patriots are two and a
half point favorites in this one. If they go on
and win, I think on Monday we'll talk about whatever
happens in the game, and maybe we'll start to turn
the page a little bit towards Brady's legacy. And the
more I think about it, if the Patriots win, I
think we might find really replace Michael Jordan's versus Lebron

(35:03):
James in the most overplay, never ending debate of who
is the greatest of all time in basketball? I think
we might replace that with who is the greatest team
sport athlete of their generation? Because I do think that
Brady and Jordan's are the same generation, and I think
most people out there would say, well, Lebron's out of

(35:23):
that conversation, even though he's been to the finals a lot.
If Brady wins, he's six and three in the Super Bowl. Now.
I think one of the big flaws of sports arguments
in general is that we hold it against somebody if
they get to the championship round and they end up
losing there, for instance Lebron. If Lebron doesn't make the
finals and he loses, then that story is that he

(35:48):
You know that we don't talk as much about the
failure there, but when you get to the big stage
and you fail, I feel like we counted against you
more so than we do in a For instance, if
Brady had lost in the a f C Championship game,
if he had lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, his
Super Bowl record would remain five and three if he

(36:10):
wins that game, which he did, and performs phenomenally in overtime,
and then he advances to the Super Bowl and he
loses that game. That's a better season, right, But he
loses the super Bowl, and so on his legacy. People
will say, oh, well, Brady's five and four in super Bowls. Now,
I don't think that's much of an indictment because he
still has won five. But being five and four in

(36:31):
the super Bowl is better than being five and oh
in the super Bowl in my mind. In my mind, now,
some people out there, like all I care about his championships.
I'd rather somebody be perfect. I'd rather Brady have gone
to five super Bowls and never lost one. But in
order for that to be the case, Brady would either
have had to not make the playoffs or lose a

(36:52):
playoff game. So I think that's a little bit of
an unfair way to look at it, where we're only
gonna hold championship losses against Brady, And I think it's
a little bit unfair when people look at Lebron and
he's whatever, he is, three and six in the finals
in his tenure. Would they think differently if Lebron had
only gone to the finals three times and he had

(37:12):
won every time. Well, I think that's a little bit
ludicrous because it's better to be one of the final
two teams in advance all the way there. Now, yes,
the goal is to win, but Jordan is six and
oh in the finals, and so I think that is
where the debate, will you know, kind of roll through,
is who is better between Jordan's and Brady as the

(37:36):
greatest team sport athlete of all time. Now, some people
out there are gonna say, well, Jordan's is the vastly
supreme athlete, right, Brady is at the quarterback position, not
moving that much. The reason why he's gonna be able
to play until potentially forty five is he's just so
cerebral and so good at getting the ball out of
his hands. But in terms of high level athleticism, not

(38:01):
necessarily there. But to me, I'm gonna make this argument.
Some of you may disagree. We're gonna talk about this
next week, I'm sure, but I'm giving you a little
bit of a preview. If Brady wins this game, and
if the Patriots win their six Super Bowl with Tom
Brady and Bill Belichick, I think I am going to
make the argument that Brady is superior to Jordan's based

(38:26):
on being in nine Super Bowls as opposed to six
NBA Finals, and the fact that Brady's career has extended
for so long. And I think if you look at
surrounding casts, I mean, it's a really good debate. If
you look at surrounding casts, Brady has never had anyone
anywhere near as good as Scottie Pippen. Scotti Pippen is

(38:48):
one of the fifty greatest NBA players of all time.
And I know each of the Bulls trilogies, each of
their three peats had different talent around them, but Pippin
and Jordan were there every year. There is no pipp
into Brady, Right, Brady, this is one of the fascinating

(39:10):
things I think about when you look and I'm not
gonna break down offensive line play, but from a skill position,
receiver position, he's got Gronk who's gonna be a tight
end tight end Hall of Fame first ballot. Brandy Moss
he got for a couple of years. But that is uh,
that is pretty much it. So I think I'm gonna
be and we have tons of time to make this argument. Right.

(39:31):
We're gonna talk about it next week and maybe we'll
never make it because maybe Brady is gonna lose and
he won't get to that sixth championship. But I think
that is gonna become a really intriguing and fun bar
debate that doesn't have an answer. I think everybody out
there listening to us right now is gonna come down
on one side or the other. In fact, I know
when I pull up my Twitter feed and look at

(39:52):
it during this break, a ton of you are gonna
be hopping in, either arguing on behalf of Jordan's or
arguing on behalf of Brady. What I like about this
argument is that it's brand new, that it hasn't been
hashed out for the last ten years, like Jordan's versus
Lebron And by the way, I'm a Jordan guy in
that debate. But I I I think it's gonna be

(40:14):
a really intriguing one. I think that's probably the biggest
most impactful outcome of winning this Super Bowl would be
getting Brady to six. All right, when we come back,
I am told Danny g has prepared a Super Bowl
trivia quiz for me predicated on the cities of Atlanta
and the cities of l A. Right, Uh, and so

(40:36):
we will see how much knowledge I have of of this,
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we like to do a trivia game. Probably trivia games
more more often live here on radio Row Danny G.
You have prepared a trivia game. Explain to everybody out
there what exactly this game is. Now, if you're a

(42:02):
long time OutKick listener, you remember during the World Cup,
we would always do that's it that country or that country?
So two options, Yeah, if it was Croatia, test your knowledge,
test your knowledge in the big game, going on fun
facts about each country. In this case, we're gonna do
each city l A or Atlanta as we celebrate the
two cities in the super Bowl. Alright, So Atlanta is

(42:22):
hosting the Super Bowl in l A. So you're just
tossing completely to the curb everybody out there who is
from the Boston area. You're giving them no respect in
this game. Well, l A or Atlanta because we're in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah,
in l A, because you've been there. What the reason
I did this is because I know you've spent time
in both l A and Atlanta. There are ten questions here?

(42:44):
How well do you think that I will do on
these ten questions? Ten, I have to identify whether it's
l A or Atlanta, right, And I figured I wanted
to give the Falcons fans some love, because you've met
some disgrauntled Falcons fans the past week. It's it's interesting.
Like I was in my uber. So I'm so while
I'm here, I'm doing the radio show early in the morning,

(43:05):
and then I do the television show in the afternoon.
And I'm doing the television show from a studio, uh,
a couple of miles from the hotel. And so I
take an uber uh to that studio every day. And
yesterday I had an uber driver like a sixty five
sixty eight year old man and uh. And he said,
you know, what are you here for? And I said, well,
I'm here for the Super Bowl. And he said, I

(43:27):
retired from sports three years ago. I saw what you mean.
He said, Uh, I'm a lifelong Falcons fan. And when
they gave up that twenty eight to three lead, he
said I he said, I decided that for me, sports
was like a bad marriage. I didn't need it in
my life anymore. And he said, I quit it cold turkey.

(43:47):
He was like, you know, if you're in a bad marriage,
what do you do, He said, you get divorced. He said,
the Falcons and me, we're a bad marriage. I've been
rooting for in my entire life. But I was so
distraught when they gave up the only ate to three
lead in the Super Bowl that I quit sports cold
turkey damn. He said, I'm just out, and he said,
you know what, I've felt a lot better. They don't

(44:09):
make me feel bad. Everybody's talking about how bad the
Falcons were this year. I said, I didn't care. I
didn't know. Uh. And so he said he treated it
like a bad marriage and he got divorced, and uh
and so he's been great ever since. That was amazing
line because he just said it so bad or of
fact ly, and so whatever happened in that three comeback,
my man was just he's out. He said, Now I'm

(44:31):
you know, I'm retired from from most of work. He's like, I,
you know, driv an uber a couple of hours a
day just because I like to to get out and
meet people and you know, make a little bit of
side cash. But he said, I'm retired from my jobs
and I'm retired from sports. Never felt better. It's amazing.
I've never heard of anybody retiring as a sports fan before.
But he, uh, he pulled the plug. I can't imagine

(44:52):
it's broken. I just can't imagine doing it because I'm
so invested in my favorite teams, like a lot of
our listeners are. I just can't see myself ever doing
something like that. And what a way to die too,
you you know what I mean? And And what's gonna happen.
Say he's eighty one and the Falcons go back to
the Super Bowl. Is he's gonna jump back on the train?
I don't know, but I do think as you get
older and you realize that your team might not win

(45:14):
a championship again before you die, I can see deciding
to focus on other things. I mean, I like your prostate. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I'm gonna turn forty in in a couple of months.
I turned forty on April six, and I legit now
the Tennessee you know, I'm a Tennessee fan, born and
raised in the state of Tennessee. UM the University of
Tennessee basketball team. I never anticipated they might ever contend

(45:38):
in a high level for a championship. They might this year.
I mean, they're the number one team in the country
and uh, you know, in my life, uh, the University
of Tennessee won a Championship in and the Titans went
to the Super Bowl in nineteen nine. I didn't realize
how good I had it at the end of the nineties.
It's the greatest greatest part of my sports fandom life.

(45:59):
Also now pretty awesome years in general. Um and uh
and so uh. I I like, I don't know if
I'm ever gonna win another one. I you know, I
got what do you think, forty years? Forty years on
on average, you know, the average person lives to be
about seventy nine or thereabouts. So so many of us
have been Dan Marino. But then there's lots of fan

(46:21):
bases that have never been there at all. And I
can't even imagine that because at least some of us
have some championship game or Super Bowl. All the Red
Sox and Chicago Cubs fans who died never seeing their
team wins. The hours, all the hours, weeks, months, years
that they put into believing that it was gonna happen,

(46:42):
and then they died. It never happened. So anyway, that
guy's retired. Maybe the Falcons will win a Super Bowl,
I think more likely than not. Probably not, Well, we'll
give Atlanta some love. So Roberto fire up the trivia music. Okay. Now,
Fox Sports Radio originates out of l A. And of
course we're in Atlanta representing the Dirty set A t L.
So we're gonna do l A or Atlanta. Alright, Clay?

(47:04):
Question one, did you say how many of these you
think I'm gonna get? Oh? What would you set the
over under it? I think you'll get five out of ten?
All right? Five out of ten, crab Well, first of all,
that's exactly average. Because we can flip a coin. I
gotta do better than five. All right, here we go.
Question one. Yes, in February seventy eight, a foot of

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rain fell in a twenty four hour period in this city.
A foot of rain, twelve inches of rain in February.
And I don't think twelve inches of rain would be
extraordinary for Atlanta, Like, I think that would happen somewhat regularly.
And the reason why I'm using that as an example
is I know that fifteen inches of rain fell in

(47:46):
Tennessee in Nashville, in my hometown, we had a huge
flood surrounding it. But twelve inches of rain in l A.
I feel like it's more inches of rain than l
A usually gets. In an entire entire year. I don't
know what the tod was, twenty in of rain or
something l A gets, that's my guess. I don't know
what what time of year was it. It was February,

(48:10):
so she could be spring. In Atlantic, A spring kind
of comes early. I'm gonna go with UH. I'm gonna
go with l A because I think it would stand
out a lot more in l A. Clay doing some
detective work on this first one between February eight and
the eleventh huge storm and in a twenty four hour
period in l A an entire foot of rain fell

(48:32):
in that twenty four period. What onod A one? So far?
Big win for me there? All right? What else here
we go? Second question? It is illegal to lick a
toad in this city. So legal to lick a toad.
I think there are a lot more toads in UH
in Atlanta than there are in l A. So I'm
gonna go with with the A t l Atlanta great guests,

(48:54):
but you are wrong. There are a lot of toads
in l A. I would think of that amphibian population
as being some stantial that. I don't know how many
l A has, but it is illegal there to to
lick a tote, So you are one of a state
legislator or and thinking that you need to make sure
that that doesn't happen. Alright. Question three. One of the

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largest Hindu temples outside of India. In India, we talk
a lot about a lot in the animal thunder. A
lot of people get murdered all the time, are killed
all the time by animals in India. One of the
largest Hindu temples outside of India is located in this city. Well,
I'm gonna go counter intuitive here because I think that
most people would hear this and think l A. Because
l A is a very diverse city with people from

(49:38):
all walks of life. It's also much bigger than Atlanta,
So I think most people would think l A. Now
you know what it's I'm not gonna go counterintuitive here.
I'm gonna stick with I'm gonna stick with l A. Ah.
You should have went counterintuitive because it is Atlanta. In fact,
it's a that's a tough one. Yeah, that was a

(49:58):
That's a tough l for you. You're wanting to all right,
here we go. Question four. It was once illegal to
put an ice cream cone in your back pocket. In
this city. I I mean, there's no earthly way that
you can even rationalize some of these some of these questions,
like I'm gonna go with what was the it was illegal,

(50:19):
it was once illegal to put an ice cream cone
in your back pocket in this city. I'm gonna go
with uh. With it being Atlanta, You're right Atlanta two
for two or two and two, I should yes, I'm
exactly You're exactly average right now, All right, here we go.
Question five. This city is home to the largest boulder

(50:41):
ever transported, Boulder Boulder, big Rock. Well, the big rock
in Atlanta is Stone Mountain. But it's impossible to transport
Stone Mountain. I mean, it is just a massive, unbelievable Uh,
you know, like natural wonder. I'm gonna go I'm gonna

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go with uh. I'm gonna go with uh. I'm gonna
go with l A. Here you are, right, and the
fellows back in l A knew this three forty ton
chunk of granite hit the road back in twelve was
a big news story in l A because it took
eleven days to move it just eighty five miles to Lacma,
which is one of our big museums. There. Man, craziness happens,

(51:25):
and I wouldn't. The road got shut down because a
bigger rocket it huh. Oh, I mean, well they have
it on display where they have this big bridge by Lacma,
and so people go to take pictures in front of it.
All Right, here we go. Question six. You're now three
and two. The fastest baseball game in history happened in
this city. I'm actually curious how fast the fastest baseball game?

(51:48):
Does it give me a year? Uh? Do I have
the It didn't give the year. But but I'll tell
you this. It was not a pro game. That was
not an m MLB game. Um, I would go with uh,
I'll go with Atlanta. You are right. The Mobile Seagulls
beat the Atlanta Crackers. Oh man, racist two to one

(52:14):
thirty two minutes. What's the entire game? The Atlanta Crackers
is one hell of the name for a team. What? Uh?
What was I mean? I'd love to know. Somebody needs
to loot. Yeah, needs to look up the history of
how the Atlanta Crackers name came to be. That is

(52:35):
I mean, that would be phenomenal, like gears to be
selling the Atlanta Crackers gear. Wow, you are four and two.
All right, here we go. Question seven. This city hosted
the greatest route in football history. This city hosted the
greatest route in football history. You know, one of the
worst football routes ever was like Swanne beat or got beaten,

(52:57):
like two and twenty to nothing, and that was in
uh the at the University of the South is there,
but the greatest route I mean, So I'm gonna go
with Atlanta because I think of Atlanta more as a
football city than I do l A. And also the
history of the city of Atlanta would allow a lot
more games to be played here. So I'm gonna go

(53:19):
with Atlanta. See I thought you might overthink this one
and go the other way, but you're actually right Atlanta.
Back in nineteen sixteen when Georgia Tech obliterated Cumberland College
two hundred and twenty two to nothing, right, those are
those are the good days for the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets. Alright?
Question eight? But how about doing pretty well? I like

(53:43):
five and two y right now? Alright? Question eight. This
city has the country's third largest oil field. Oh, I
think that's l A. I think l A has a
lot more oil than people are aware. And I'm going
l A. I could tell you've spent some big oil
money time there in l A. You're right, people are surprised.

(54:04):
I think that there was initially before they found oil
in Texas. If I remember correctly, they found oil in
Los Angeles. Do you know what Beverly Hills High School,
they still have an oil there. Yeah, and they in
the school generates like three hundred thousand dollars a year
off of the commission for it. Oh, that's interesting. No,
I didn't know that, but I didn't know that they
had found it there first. Okay. Question number nine, the

(54:27):
Shirley Temple drink was created in this city. I'm gonna
say the Shirley Temple was created in Atlanta. And that's
stupid because Shirley Temple was an actress. I should have
thought that probably the Shirley Temple was created in in
l A. That was That was a dumb That's the
first one I've whipped on and thought that was pretty stupid.
Still doing good though. Six and three. By the way,

(54:47):
it was created at l A's Brown Derby restaurant. Yeah, okay,
question ten, last one, this city is home to the
Center for Puppetry Arts, The country's largest organization dedicated to
puppetry and one of the only puppet museums in the world.
What a bunch of nerds. I'm gonna go with Atlanta,

(55:10):
and you're right. You finished with a W seven solid
performance there, working through there as we have rolled through. Um,
all right, let's uh, we're gonna reset here. We are
at good questions there Danny g doing their trivia research.
Hopefully you played along learned a lot about Atlanta and

(55:31):
l A even though I do think Boston was disrespected
there by not being in. How many times as Boston
been to the Super Bowl? A lot, far too many
to be honest. Um, so we come back, we will
break down, Uh the Super Bowl, continue to discuss Brady
versus Goff, And I've got what I think is kind
of an interesting question. I want to bring the crew
in and discuss um this Jared Goff trajectory. Um, there

(55:55):
are a lot of quarterbacks who over time have kind
of disappeared. Is Goff poised to become a major face
of the NFL? Or is this a blip on the
radar and he is not going to be here a
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in the NFL? Would people rather have Sean McVeigh for
the next five years or would you rather have Jared
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valuable to the Rams and which one would you rather
have stock in going forward? I might even put that
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I will update you on the early results of our
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would you go with? Would you go with McVeigh or
would you go with or would you go with Jared
Goff next decade? It's a great question because obviously Goff
looked like he was a bus before McVeigh got there.
But I think it's a quarterback league. I'm gonna take
the quarterback, even though it's a tough call. What about you,
Danny g who would you go quarterback or coach? I

(01:00:17):
would go coach because before McVeigh got there and it
was Jeff Fisher, you saw what Goff looked like. It's
as simple as that to me, all right, pulling around here, uh, dub,
who would you go with? I'm going McVeigh here, you're
going McVeigh. What about you guys in the studio in
l a as well? What about you Coope and Roberto

(01:00:38):
Sean McVeigh is when uh uh Fisher was dere Jared Goff? Crap, Yeah,
we're not going seven and nine. We're not gonna do that.
I have to have to agree with I have to
go McVeigh. So the responses are actually mirroring. I didn't
think it was gonna be this much of a landslide,
but Danny Eddie Garcia definitely in the minority here. Would

(01:00:58):
you rather this is this kind of stunting to me?
How much of a landslide it is? Uh? Thousands of
you voting already? Would you rather have Jared Goff for
the next ten years as quarterback or Sean McVeigh as coach.
Say Sean McVeigh. So only eleven percent are picking Jared Goff.
So the cult of Sean McVeigh is at an absolute

(01:01:23):
apex right now, because it's not just NFL gms and
owners who are out there trying to find the next
Sean McVeigh. They're not very many times. I don't think
where given the option between a quarterback who is in
the Super Bowl or the coach who is in the
super Bowl, in a quarterback driven league, that we get

(01:01:45):
a landslide like this like we now. We to be fair,
I've pulled Brady versus Belichick before and most people go Belichick,
and I think that's because of Brady's age right now.
If Brady were thirty one in stead of forty one,
I think that answer would be different. But Belichick at
sixty six seems to most people like he has a

(01:02:07):
lot more years left. But this is I think this
kind of flies in the face of most expectation. Now,
this also means I think that if the Rams win,
if they pull off the upset, I think most of
this credit is gonna go to Sean McVeigh. Most of
the time in the Super Bowl, we give the credit

(01:02:30):
to the quarterback, for instance, even last year. I think
most people now, and maybe it's partly because Nick Foles
played well coming in for an injured Carson Wentz again
this year, but I feel like most people gave credit
last year to Nick Foles. Doug Peterson, great coach, created
an offensive system that led to a lot of success

(01:02:51):
for his quarterback. But I feel like most of you
out there, we're like, man, Nick Foles through for over
four hundred yards. He was incredible. He won two playoff games,
and then he won the Super Bowl. This guy deserves
all the credit. The last quarterback I can remember who
won a Super Bowl and almost nobody gave him any
credit at all. Trent Dilford like, if you go through

(01:03:13):
the list of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks over the last
twenty years or so, as the NFL has become more
and more of a quarterback driven league, almost no one
finishes the Super Bowl without looking at the quarterback and say, man,
this this guy's a made man. It's amazing how much
things have changed. When you win a super Bowl, it's

(01:03:34):
pretty intriguing to think about right. I mean when I
tell you, you know, Peyton Manning won two Super Bowls,
there's not very many people who think about, oh, Gary
Kubiak and Tony Dungee where the coaches for him. And
I don't think any of you would be like, oh,
well that's Kubiak Super Bowl or oh that's Tony Dungee
Super Bowl. Maybe a little bit more on Dungee because
he was a long time coach who never could quite

(01:03:55):
win one. And I think if the other quarterbacks were
in this super Bowl, I don't think anybody would be like, oh,
that is Sean Payton Super Bowl. You'd be like, Drew
Brees won the Super Bowl, that's Drew Brees a super Bowl.
If Patrick Mahomes were in the Super Bowl. I think
if Patrick Mahomes won the Super Bowl, everybody would say, oh,
that's Patrick Mahomes Super Bowl, even guys who have lost

(01:04:19):
Cam Newton, Ron Rivera, I don't think anybody was like, oh,
Ron Rivera, he put this team together, He's the super Bowl,
like he deserves all the credit. It is interesting how
with Sean McVeigh, the cult of the coach is ascendant,
and this is gonna be I think for many people.
They'll look at this and say, that's Sean McVeigh super Bowl. Now,

(01:04:39):
why is that? The easy answer is because somebody already
hinted on it. Several of you guys already hinted at it,
and a lot of you on Twitter hitting at it too.
It's because McVeigh came in and Jared Goff was so
bad with Jeff Fisher. So as a result, Goff doesn't
even get credit for being good. It's all about how

(01:05:01):
much better he has been because of Sean McVeigh. And
I think it's an interesting question. I think Goff. For
a long time in college football, you had what was
called a system quarterback. That was the one of the
biggest insults you could give somebody in college football was, oh,
Steve Spurrier's fun and gun, it doesn't matter. It's Danny Warfel. Yeah,

(01:05:21):
he won the Heisman Trophy, but he's a system quarterback,
right and Oklahoma for years under Bob Stoop's system quarterbacks
right now, maybe not so much in the last couple
of years with UH with Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield,
because it looks like they're really good no matter what
system they were in. But it was a pejorative that

(01:05:41):
you would toss out there because in college football, the
coaches ascendant and the coach gets most of the credit.
We talked about Dabo Sweeney win in a championship, we
talked about Nick Saban winning a championship. We don't spend
as much time talking about the quarterbacks or other players
on those teams winning championships because the co which is
what is consistent in college football, players come and go.

(01:06:04):
I do think that this is interesting that basically what
we're arguing in all of these people who are responding
is that Jared Goff is a system quarterback for Sean McVeigh,
and that if you put Jared Goff, let's say, in
Jamis Winston spot in Tampa, or if you put him
in Marcus Mariota spot in Tennessee, that he wouldn't be

(01:06:29):
this incredible quarterback if he were one of those franchises
where you've got young quarterbacks but they haven't posted huge numbers. Conversely,
if you took Marcus Mariota or Jamis Winston young quarterbacks
and put them in the system with the Rams, I
think there's a lot of people out there who say,
you know what, that's probably Sean McVeigh would get the

(01:06:50):
most out of them. Now, this is great for Sean
McVeigh and for the cult of his coaching supremacy. But
I do think this is a wild result because it
flies in the face of pretty much everything that you
would typically think about in the NFL. Again, thousands of
you voting, You can go vote yourself uh at Clay
Travis on Twitter at Clay traviscent of people saying Sean

(01:07:14):
McVeigh is uh is the guy that you would want
to have for the next ten years. Certainly this factors.
In ten years, Jared Goff is twenty four right now,
he'll be thirty four. I mean that's Wheelhouse NFL years.
It's not like he's gonna get old. Sean McVeigh will
go from thirty three to forty three. These results surprise you,
as slanted as they are. No, But what I want

(01:07:35):
to ask you, and what I'm wondering is do you
think these results would be a lot different if Goff
had finished the season as strong as he was playing
towards the middle of the season, if he finished as
strong as Mahomes did, do you think people would pause
a little bit more and give him more credit maybe,
But I think this is primarily symptomatic of the issue

(01:07:55):
at play here, which is how bad he was with
Jeff Fisher and how much better he immediately was with Sean.
People were calling him a flop, a bust after his
first year, and then I think whether Jared Goff got
himself better. I think almost everyone out there right now
listening to us believes that is Sean McVeigh who has
made him into an elite passer. And again this comes

(01:08:17):
back to you. Rarely hear somebody described as a system
quarterback in the NFL, but it seems like there is
so much love for Sean McVeigh right now that that's
what we're basically talking about here. Well, how much credit
should the organization get the front office by putting these
weapons around him, because remember, ah, here, what do you
have austin the first year? So I think that the

(01:08:37):
organization deserves the credit for hiring Sean McVeigh because they
went through and did a pretty There's a good article
in the Wall Street Journal I was reading yesterday about
how they went about hiring Sean McVeigh and how they
went to four dinners with him and he had to
sell himself to everybody. Remember he was thirty years old
when he got hired. And when they did their study,

(01:08:58):
they said that basically everything they looked at in the
NFL there was no predictive value, like were you a good, uh,
offensive or defensive coordinator? You want about half your games?
Were you a prior head coach, you want about half
your games. The NFL is a league where they said
they noticed real value was when you hire a young guy,

(01:09:18):
you either hit a home run or you strike out,
so you have the possibility to do really well. And
they cited several other young coaches, um in particular that
I thought was intriguing. John Gruden was thirty four the
first time he got hired. Uh. You had Shula was
like thirty three the first time that he got hired. Uh.
John Madden was thirty two, I think the first time
that he got hired. All three of those guys were

(01:09:41):
wildly successful relatively speaking, and won Super Bowls. And then
on the flip side, you have Lane Kiffin who gets
fired after like twenty games, has the whole overhead projector
controversy with Al Davis. But Kevin, yeah, Kevin dim off
the uh the set up there, I thought was Uh,

(01:10:01):
what was pretty intriguing to see how they broke that
down and made that decision. Um, all right, when we
come back, we're gonna break a little bit early here. Uh,
we have got a feud. I actually think this is
why Deshaun Watson didn't initially want to come on Fox
Sports Radio. I didn't even realize what was going on
with the show before us. Ben Maller has been engaged

(01:10:23):
in an ongoing feud with Deshaun Watson. And for people
who don't know, at Radio Row, they they are asked
to come on show, like you know, the publicists say like, okay,
I've got Deshaun Watson. And initially Deshaun Watson's people, I'm told,
said no, we don't want to do Fox Sports Radio.
But they were doing Fox Television and they were doing

(01:10:46):
Fox Digital on our stage here on the Atlanta in
Atlanta at the Super Bowl. Yeah, they agreed to do TV,
TV and digital. I mean he was here for twenty
five minutes and he came on with us for a
couple of minutes. So wait a minute, what's happening here
that he's doing everything else? I think it was Ben Mallor.
I think they thought that Ben Maller might be here,

(01:11:06):
and then as soon as they realized it wasn't the
guy who Deshaun Watson had been feuding with, they were
fine with putting him on the air. But if you
don't know about this feud, I think we got a
couple of clips will play it for you, And I think, frankly,
Ben Mallor needs to apologize to everybody on out Kick
for what he did. His polluted relationship with Deshaun Watson
has now in infiltrated, infected other aspects of the radio network.

(01:11:33):
So I think Ben Mallard when he comes in late tonight,
he needs to sit down and he needs to issue
a public apology to everyone out there because of his
pollution of the relationship with Deshaun Watson, who came on
the show with us for just a couple of minutes.
Was lovely, It was a fantastic guest. Would have had
him for a lot more minutes if it weren't for Mallor.

(01:11:54):
Why do they dislike each other? Where did their feud begin?
I think we got some audio for you. This is Outkicked,
and I guess he's been ripping us for having him on.
Its ripping me because I used to be on his program.
So he's called, he's calling. He's saying, you turn coated
in favor of Deshaun Watson. It's probably a good move.
I think if you had to choose to be on
the Watson Watson team or the Mallard team, I think

(01:12:16):
you gotta go Watson. But we'll talk about that final
segment of our two and then, like I said, loaded
guest segments, We're gonna have se Kwan Barkley, we are
going to have Ron Jaworski, We're gonna have DeMarcus Ware,
and we will finish with Thurman Thomas. All four of
those guests in the final hour of this show live
from Super Bowl Radio Row. This is OutKick the Coverage

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Watson didn't want to come on Fox Sports Radio, and
I was trying to figure out. I was like, what
I you know, I have only been complimentary of Deshaun Watson.
I mean, whether he's at Clemson or whether he's with
the Texans, And I totally forgotten about this. Ben Maller

(01:13:25):
said on air, Deshaun Watson ain't gonna be around for
very long. He's going to be destroyed and obliterated again
because his body can't handle the rigors of the NFL. Now,
that was last summer, back in June. And then Deshaun
Watson saw this tweet and he retweeted l O l

(01:13:46):
clown and it was a big story that went out
and kind of echoed around everywhere. Now, I obviously have
said a lot of things that have also ended up
not pending out very well. But Deshaun Watson had a
very good year. Even if you are a Houston Texans hater,
I think you have to be pretty pleased with how
good should Deshaun Watson looked This year, he was injured,

(01:14:09):
but he didn't miss a game. He had you know,
hits that he took, uh collapsed along nearly like all
these different wild injuries that he played through. And so
then we had him on the show. Did you remember
this few you didn't tell me about it. I mean,
it wasn't top of my mind to be honest with you,
because when we were in a break the other day,
you told me, Hey, he's he's gonna go to digital,

(01:14:30):
Go grab him, do whatever you have to do to
get him up here for a couple of minutes. So
I'm just in the mode of doing my job the
best I can do it. That's all I was thinking
at the time. It wasn't until he was doing TV
that I took a picture. I actually tweeted out Ben
Mallor's favorite quarterback, ha ha, just thinking it was funny
and a lot of my friends are the Mallard militian.
I just thought people would smile and laugh. I didn't

(01:14:52):
know Ben would have a you know, a fit and
go crazy, and that a lot of his minions would
jump aboard On Twitter, he attacked you for disloyal time
I think we have audio of of of Danny G
being attacked for climbing on board the Deshaun Watson trained.
My trust has been betrayed again. My trust has been
betrayed again by someone that was in the inner circle.

(01:15:15):
There is an obstacle in my relationship with this person,
someone I considered a friend. I don't have a lot
of friends in radio. I don't I don't deal with
these people other than a professional relationship. This is someone
I've broken bread with. This is someone who's been to
my house and he essentially spit a loogie in my face,
this person, and I'm so offended by this. I'm so

(01:15:35):
hurt by this. I need to see a therapist. I
need to know what I should do. I've got this dilemma.
I need your help. So for several years, one of
my right hand guys on the show, one of my producers,
was the great Danny G. Radio. I considered him a brother,

(01:15:57):
all right, we worked together. When you do the overnight
show together, there's a bond, there's a fraternity that you
have when you work overnights with someone in radio. And
he is betrayed, he has become I called him Baby
Judas because Not only did he schmooze with a mortal
enemy of mine, not only did he hang out in

(01:16:19):
his presence, he then had the hutzpah. He then had
the goal to shove it in my face with a
photo hugging and essentially canoodling with this person. The clowns
show that is Deshaun Watson. This is the kind of

(01:16:41):
a blunder, the kind of a Freudian slip that I
don't know that I can ever patch up this relationship.
I'm very pigheaded, I'm I'm a Taurus, as our friend
Andrea knows, and in Berkeley, I'm very stubborn. Uh. And
when you cross me, you're dead to me. That is
that is Ben Mallard just teaming off on you. What

(01:17:02):
do you would you say the status of the relationship
is now? Uh. You know the thing with Ben is
once he digs his heels in on a topic, he
will never relent. It's just his personality. And the fellows
in l A know exactly what I'm talking about. So
when will you see him? You'll see him on Monday. Yeah,
when you think your relationship will be like, I'm not sure. Uh.
But here's the thing. Look, Ben is one of the

(01:17:25):
reasons why I wanted to get into sports radio because
I used to love listening to him because I you know,
I've always had insomnia, I've always been an early morning person.
So when I got to go to Fox and work
with Bennett was awesome. But we hardly ever agree with
Ben's takes. He's overboard on so many of his takes
that in the studio and when he comes to us.
You have two options with Ben. He if you're quiet

(01:17:48):
and you don't want to get into a fight with him,
then he'll say, oh, look, Danny's being quiet over there,
doesn't have a word to say about this. Or but
if you try to defend your stance and disagree with him,
then he goes at you and says being a big mouth,
and you're being a you know, a toady or a
stool or a you're being a fanboy for for whoever
you're defending. So it's a no win situation when you

(01:18:09):
argue with Ben, sometimes on topics that he's really passionate about.
But back when Ben was on this whole anti Deshaun
Watson thing, me and a couple of the other guys
on the crew, we disagreed with him back then when
he said Deshaun Watson was a horrible quarterback and he
was gonna stink in the NFL. We laughed and disagreed,
and sure enough, I feel like I've been proven right
from back then when I argued about it with Ben. Uh.

(01:18:32):
This is uh by the way, So we'll see how
that feud develops, because you'll you'll be face to face
on Monday. But by the way, I'll bring him a
bottle of ranch to make peace. The President has weighed
in on the blown call. Uh and Rams and Saints
he uh, he said, Uh, this is Donald Trump now
weighing in. I feel badly. It was a great state

(01:18:55):
that voted for me, Louisiana. I feel very badly for
Louisiana because that was maybe the worst call I've ever seen.
But I guess there's nothing they can do about that.
And you might say it, I feel badly for Louisiana.
Um and uh. Also Uh, Trump weighed in on the Patriots.
He said, Belichick is so tough and uh Craft is

(01:19:17):
a great guy. The three of them, Brady, Belichick, and Craft.
How good was Brady? I mean the last game, the
last two games, Brady plays better under pressure than he
does in a regular game. I mean the last two minutes,
the way he was throwing the ball down the field,
they were bullets. Um And Uh he said that the
reason why he thinks Brady, Craft and Belichick have been

(01:19:38):
so good, Uh is it's talent, it's chemistry. They have
getting great chemistry with each other. I like all three
of them. As you know, I'm a very good friend
with him. Coach Belichick endorsed me. You remember that, and
remember that we talked about that on this show. Uh,
Like the night before the the election, Trump had that
rally in New Hampshire and he read a letter from

(01:20:00):
Bill Belichick or endorsement, and we had we did the
whole show talking about whether the letter was real, whether
Belichick had actually Senate or not. But but Belichick had
and he did. Um. And anyway, that is interesting that
the President of the United States now has weighed in
on behalf of the people of many many French fries
there you go, has weighed in now and said it

(01:20:22):
was maybe the worst call in uh, the history of
the NFL, and that he feels bad for the great
state of Louisiana. Uh that voted for him. Um. All right,
we come back. We are scheduled this se Kwan here
have you seen se Kwan? We are scheduled to be
joined by se Kwan Barkley. Our four, sorry, our three
of the show. We have four guests. We got se

(01:20:42):
Kwan Barkley, Ron Jaworski, DeMarcus Ware and Thurman Thomas all
going to roll through the show. It's gonna be fast paced.
Make sure you don't miss it. Download the podcast if
you haven't already. Lots of guests Tomorrow we're gonna start
off the show with Dak Prescott, so that is gonna
be a big time get just off the show. I
hope Danny g and Ben Mallard can can get back

(01:21:03):
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waking up, big story Yesterday afternoon, Roger Goodell finally addressed
the blown call in the Saints Rams game, a blown
call that Donald Trump today is saying is also one
of the worst calls he has ever seen happened before UH.

(01:22:31):
And this is what Roger Goodell finally said publicly for
the first time about that UH missed call at the
end of Ram Saints. We understand the frustration of the fans.
I've talked to Coach Peyton, the team, the players, and
whenever in officiating is part of any kind of discussion

(01:22:52):
post game. It's never a good outcome for us. But
we also know our officials are human. We also know
that they're efficiating game that moves very quickly and have
to make snap decisions, and they're not going to get
it right every time. We have worked very hard to
bring technology in to try to make sure we could
do whatever it's possible to address those issues, but technology

(01:23:14):
is not going to solve all those issues. The game
is not officiated by robots. It's not it's not going
to be, but we have to continue to go down
that path. The other complication is that it was a
no call. Our coaches and clubs have been very resistant
and there has not been support to date about having

(01:23:34):
a replay official or somebody in New York throw a
flag when there's no flag. They have not voted for
that in the past. It's something that we're gonna put
to the Competition Committee, but the reality is that's been
at least an opposition philosophically for many clubs. Uh So,
that was Roger Goodell finally weighing in and doing what
I thought was a pretty poor job of finally addressing

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that issue. Um and had a ton of opportunity to
address it in a good way. He did not do
it in what I thought was a very uh efficacious manner,
and so as a result, it took like ten or
eleven days, and he still didn't sound like a human
when he was actually addressing that issue. On top of that,

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we have been talking about obviously a Super Bowl fifty
three gets closer and closer. Uh. The poll question that's
up right now that you can vote in if you
would like to do so, is would you rather have
Jared Goff for the next ten years as quarterback for
your team or Sean McVeigh as coach for your team
for the next ten years. I'm kind of blown away
by this because usually in the NFL it's a quarterback

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driven league instead, And this is pretty wild. Eighty nine
percent of you right now, with tons of votes rolling in,
eighty nine percent of you are saying that you would
take Sean McVeigh over Jared Goff. And I think that's
to a large extent partly because of the overall um,
you know, difference that we saw from Jared Goff in

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his second uh stent with a new coach, Jeff Fisher,
just so made Jared Goff looked like a bust. That
all of the credit for the growth in Jared Goff's
game has gone gone to Sean McVeigh. And so as
a result, I think the stature right now of Sean
McVeigh is off the charts. Pretty phenomenal breakdown in general,

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as you as you contemplate the way that the way
that that is playing itself out, let me bring in
the crew there. In fact, let me go ahead and
get is Eddie there. I want to go ahead. We
got so many guests coming in that I'd like to
go ahead and get an updates set up here in
a sec we're trying to track down se Kwan Barkley,

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Danny g has fled from the UH from the set here,
and it's trying to get everything set up. We've got
so many different people coming on it's gonna be challenged
to balance them all out during the course of this hour.
But Coop, I said earlier, you were all in on
Sean McVeigh. It's pretty wild to me that nine of
the vote right now and our poll question is saying

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I want Sean McVeigh for the next ten years. Over
Jared Goff because usually almost every time a quarterback is
in the Super Bowl, you want that guy for years ahead.
That's true, but I think, and you know who who
knows if it's really the case, But when you if
it is, if you have a genius head coach, like
you know people are saying Sean McVeigh is, the fact

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is you you don't have to worry about Sean McVeigh
getting injured and being done for the season. He's always
gonna be there. And those kind of coaches seem to
be able to produce on offense no matter who they have,
So I think that's a big factor in it. And
just based off of what we've seen how bad Jared
Goff was the first year. Yeah, maybe not all of

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his growth should be credited Sean McVeigh, but it seems
like it's so far so it's you know, I feel
like that's the safer bet for me. If Sean McVeigh
ends this Super Bowl at thirty three years old, how
much is he going to end up getting paid as
a coach. I mean, his numbers are gonna be completely
off the charts in terms of the money that he

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can make. I almost think I would rather be a
representative of UH of Sean McVeigh. Like, if I had
to be an agent and take ten percent of the
earnings of either Jared Goff or of Sean McVeigh, I
feel like McVeigh might make more money, which is so
rare to have a coach be at this height and
UH expectation and like just level. I mean, it's incredible.

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We just don't see it happened very often. Do you
think he reaches the ludicrous Gruden numbers? I think beyond
that because Gruden at ten million dollars a year, Like
I don't know exactly where it goes from from there,
but Gruden at ten million dollars a year. If Gruden's
worth ten million, then I would think Sean McVeigh has

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to be worth fifteen million, all right, I mean, well,
I don't think Gruden's worth anywhere near when he's getting
paid though, well that might be true, but I mean
in the market gave him a ten year didn't get
a ten year, hundred million dollar contract. So if he's
able to get that, then I think if you, if
you had the opportunity, Is there anybody out there listening
right now, including Raider fans who wouldn't rather have Sean

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McVeigh as their coach right now. I mean to me,
McVeigh has the opportunity, if he wins this game, to
ascend to a Bill Belichick level. The difference is Bill
Belichick sixty six and he's been coaching at a high
level for twenty years. Basically, to have this happened for
Sean McVeigh at thirty three would be flat out incredible.
And it honestly starts to make some sense why there

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was so much attention out there in general um surrounding
the UH, surrounding the Sean McVeigh coaches in the same
way that everybody went after Bill Belichick coaches, and everybody
tried to go grab the next Bill Belichick. And maybe
we're gonna have to recognize that there's so much talent
there that it's hard to replicate at Sean McVeigh can do.

(01:29:01):
But right now, Sean McVeigh is so so much gold
that anybody who touched him is UH is getting brought
in at a high level. Everybody wants to be able
to have the next Sean McVeigh. And that is the
poll question. You can go vote at Clay Travis. We
are live Radio Row Super Bowl fifty three. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. When we come back,

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I got a question for you right off the top here,
i'veeen you in a lot of Georgia football games. Yes,
you more nervous watching your son play football or going

(01:31:10):
into a ring to fight in a heavyweight fight. More
fighting myself? And you know, uh yeah, I don't have
nothing to do with the game. Yeah, how much fun
is it to watch your son perform in those games.
It is when he's doing well. Yeah, so you don't
when you get tackle and too many people get him
before you get the ball. Yes, come kind of bothering. Um,

(01:31:35):
we're talking with Ander Holyfield. Uh. When you think back
on your career, Now, what fight do you remember the most?
What kind of sticks out in your mind? I was
the one with Tyson, course, because where he beat you. Well,
not so much of that one. The first one, first one.
The first one was the fact that that people felt

(01:31:57):
because he was a bad guy, bad guy could beat
a good Uh. Yeah, It's impossible a good guy to
be the bad guy. And so that was that was
the highlight. We're talking with the Vander Holyfield. When you
think back on on those fights against Tyson, those were
must see moments, right. Uh. Do you think boxing will

(01:32:18):
ever get back there again? It should? It should. I
think it starts an amateur You have to have a
good amateur program where people see the better fighters. Yeah. Um,
And do you think that's gonna happen? Do you see
your younger kids kind of coming up in that way?
I think we have to make some some change. It's
got to put it on free television where people can

(01:32:40):
see it. When the people who that's a poor who
would go into bond to you know this pay per view.
You know, people who don't have the money came paper
pay per view, so they don't get a chance to
see it. Uh. What does the super Bowl in Atlanta
mean for you? I know you've been living in Atlanta
for a long time now, Well, it means a lot.
I mean, of course you know they had one, but

(01:33:03):
you know, just just to see itself. It is growing
and and and this should have more. Um, you're here
with uh with the Angus beef. Uh when you got
steaks for us on the on the table here, which
is pretty outstanding, even though it steaks for breakfast not bad.
You know, it's certified. Now this is just a little

(01:33:23):
bit bigger than just angers, so you know it's the best.
And you've got a chef who's walking around with you.
How many steaks did you guys bring down here today?
Whatever it takes to feed everybody in the media, this
is fantastic. Um. When you when you think about we
talked about your career and your fights with Mike Tyson.
When's the last time you saw Mike Tyson, you guys

(01:33:45):
have any kind of relationship at all? Well, yes, you know,
we went to we went to China together last time
they went to China, and you know, Mike and I
we were both want to losing score, trying to make
the Olympic team. So I've been doing there's is seventeen
years old. Yeah. Um, And when you think back, I
I think a lot of people listening to us right

(01:34:06):
now that iconic fight. I know you guys fought multiple times,
but for your career in many ways, I think it's
the bite, right, like the bite in that moment where
so many people, uh, so many people think about that
fight in that moment. Do you still think about that sometimes? Not,
not at all. I think things come together because the

(01:34:27):
fact that the matter is that it got opportunity to
people see what type of person I am. Now I
still had to bite him back, but not too but
but we were both competitors and and people wanted to
see the best fight, and so eventually we fought and

(01:34:48):
I won both. What do you think about the rise
of the UFC If you were growing up now, let's
say you were fifteen years old, do you think you'd
be drawn it all into m M A or do
you think you would still want to be a boxer
abolutely want to be boxing. I just think that box
you know, I'm even with my mom, she wouldn't. You know.
You can't put your foot on the body. That's disrespectful.

(01:35:09):
You can't kick nobody like that, and you know, and
youren't supposed to bank nobody. Yeah, those two things that
you know I'm supposed to do. Um, how do you
feel physically after as many fights as you went through?
You feel pretty good? I feel great. I'm feel great. Um.
You know I took him about it. You don't see
people who take care of himself. They're gonna be all right. Um.

(01:35:30):
And I know you have a lot of kids. We
talked about Elijah who's playing right now for for Georgia.
How many kids do you have? Overall? Eleven kids? So,
how many of them have gone into athletics in some way?
Have they? And as anybody at all followed you into boxing, Well,
I have one. I have one, uh is elasar Evan.
He ha boxed her. He matter of fact, he canna

(01:35:50):
be turning pro this year. Yeah, and but all my
kids are good in sports. All I'm fast, all I'm
can run fast and uh, you know, and a good
um a vander. We got a ton of people lined
up to continue to come through here. But we appreciate you.
We appreciate you guys bringing by. I'll check out the
steak for sure. Uh, this has been fantastic. Appreciate it,
my man. You Uh Eddie Garcia, what you got for me?

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We are gonna be joined now by Ron Joe worski
Um who is uh a name I don't need to
give out a lot. I appreciate you waiting there. We
had the champ there. Vander Holyfield showed up a little
bit early, so you kid me, hey, I'll wait to
see the champ as well. It was great to see
him again. And as I as he's coming up the stage,
I spoke to him It's been nineteen years since I've
seen him the last Super Bowl here in Atlanta, and

(01:37:40):
he looks like he could still knock some people out.
There's no doubt at all about that. Um, well, I
appreciate you coming with us here. You're here for for
tell me who you're here with? Uh, d j O.
Knee replacement. And when you're an old beat up NFL
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but our population in general. All Right, you have ah
an interesting decision. Everybody knows you association with the Philadelphia
Eagles and uh and all of that story you have
to ring on right now, that's not that's not a
bad that's not a bad look at all. Bling, Bling

(01:38:22):
is good, Bling is always good. How would you make
a decision now if you were Nick Foles? Where do
you think Nick Foles should go? Assuming he buys his
way out of that contract? And are you a certain
that Carson Wentz is the future of the franchise? And
it makes no sense to consider even contemplating Nick Foles
is the future. Yes, Uh, Carson Wentz is the future
of the Philadelphia Eagles. He's a fantastic athlete. Like any

(01:38:44):
other professional athletes, there's always a question of health. Can
he remain healthy? Um, he hasn't been able to do that.
But the injuries he's he has detained, people say, Okay,
he'll he eventually will be all right. Nick Foles has
stepped in as a backup quarterback, been a Super Bowl
m v P, done a fun I'm an old job.
You can't keep both of them. In today's salary cap era,
you can't pay both quarterbacks, and Nick Foles has earned

(01:39:08):
and deserves the opportunity to be a starting quarterback in
the NFL. Where do you think you should go if
you were advising him, where's the best fit for Nick Foles?
Where's the best coaching, best offensive talent around him? Where
would you send him? Yeah? There, I mean there are
a lot of opportunities. You know, people are gonna look
and say Washington because it doesn't look like Alex Smith
will come back. People gonna look and say Jacksonville, Miami,

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place where there's you know, coaching staff, turnover unproven quarterbacks.
Nick is a proven quarterback. You know what you're going
to get. And you mentioned something I think is very important,
the offensive line. Uh, you know, Nick is gonna have
to He's gonna have to look at the teams that
are gonna have interested in him and say, okay, here
is the best offensive line. The one thing that I've

(01:39:49):
learned about this league. And I'm a rockhead, but I've
been around since nineteen seventy three, seventeen years of players.
Started my career at the l A. Rams in nineteen
seventy three, played seventeen years, wrote the game down. You know,
with the ESPN for a number of years now working
with the NFL Network, studying day. You must have an
offensive line in front of you. I've watched a lot

(01:40:10):
of great quarterbacks get pummeled and not not ever recover
from that. So if I'm advising Nick, I said, Nick,
when you look at these teams, find out who's going
to invest in the offensive line and who has a
solid offensive line to start with, who do you think
will win? And you break down this game. Obviously last year,
I know you're very excited to see the Eagles and
Nick Foles find a way to get it done. Not

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a lot of people giving them a shot. Last year,
I had him by eight, by the way, Yeah, that's fantastic.
I got lucky. Uh So the game going on the Patriots, Uh,
do you buy into them being able to keep their
momentum going that we've seen in the playoffs so far,
or do you think Sean McVeigh and Jared goffin company
might have something special for him? You know, it's a
typical Bill Belichick Patriot team. And I've always said this

(01:40:53):
about Bill. In September, he has a picture of what
he wants his team to look like. In December. You know,
they're they're gonna struggle. He's gonna tweak, he's gonna make
subtle changes. You know, he's gonna find out what his
new young players can do, what they can't do. And
by the time December rolls around, Bill usually has a
pretty good idea of what he has and then he
gets rolling in the playoffs and they are playing their

(01:41:15):
best football right now. Uh, it's gonna be a real
chore right now. Even that Rams defense to sustain the
way they played against Tom Brady. The offensive line which
I just mentioned talking about Nick Foles has been outstanding.
I mean Tom has not been literally touched in the playoffs.
No Sacks. I think he's been knocked down a couple
of times. The offensive line has been outstanding. But obviously,
you know Aaron Donald, domind Kung, Sue Brocker's uh Filer.

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You're gonna see a fierce pass rush this weekend. Ram Saints.
The call that was not made. Roger Goodell addressed it yesterday.
We're talking with Ron Jaworski. Do you believe there will
be a long term impact from that call being missed
or do you think it will just kind of fade
into oblivion. No. I I think the commissioner is smart
enough to understand that was blown call. Uh those two

(01:42:02):
officials on that sideline blew the call. We all know it.
If I don't care, if you're a Rams fan, you
know a Rams player that you know that call was missed,
and and in games like that, you've got to have
some way to correct errors like that. The technology we
now have, we've got to be able to correct those things.
Officials are going to miss calls, that's a given. They

(01:42:23):
are human. They're gonna be out of position, They're not
gonna see how things really played out. But with technology
we now have, there's gotta be a way to at
least take a quick look at that buzz down and say, hey,
we missed that one. Let's correct it. Now, let the
best team that deserves to go to the Super Bowl
win the football game. And since you asked me about that,
the other thing that concerns me too, and I know

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you know, the replays are sponsored. We got surface and
they bring the you know, the computer out in the
iPad or whatever they bring out there, and we waite
five minutes. We I mean, as a quarterback, I'm like
throwing stuff watching the game because I know how I
was when I played. You got momentum, you gotta drive
going and say, oh we challenge the we don't know,
and they bring this surface cameraun. It takes three minutes

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to set them up to put the head, put the
head set on and boom, all momentum is gone. It's
gone there, You've got nothing left. So now they wait
five minutes. They say, Okay, here's here's the call. Why
can't we with the technology we now have and all
the smart people we have up in New York at
Park Avenue in the office they see that plate and
all of a sudden, don't you don't need to bring
that that surface computer on the field. Guys, you got

(01:43:25):
one minute, give me a decision. Good, no, good? What if?
And move the game along. Not only that, if you arguably,
if you can't tell in a minute it's not right,
it's it's not indisputable that you can review it and
be able to do it. Here's what I would say.
I would just extend the coaches challenge to now include
calls such as those, and you get one challenge in
that situation, and if you want to do it, that's fine.

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But you know, you only get one opportunity to throw
a flag on something like that, and that's good problem solver,
or at least you have a chance. If there is
a call like that, you know you can challenge that call,
say you want to replay. But you know they've always said,
you know, we're we're never gonna have a challenge for
passing interference, So right, it is a judgment call. And
quite honestly, we've all seen a thousand million replays. I mean,

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there's a passing interference on a lot of plays on
both sides, offensively and defensively. And but the thing is
gonna in a game where it's a last play, literally
the last play of the game that determines the winner,
that's when you should be able to have that check.
We're talking to Ron Jaworski right now. Do you believe that,
regardless of what happens, the legacy of Brady and Belichick
doesn't really change at all? I mean, there are there

(01:44:28):
five and four or six and three in Super Bowl,
doesn't matter. There there there they're cemented. I think, uh
Bill Belichick will go down as the greatest coach of
all time, and I think Tom Brady don has the
greatest quarterback of all time. And you know what, who's
There's not a whole lot you can argue about there
there there. This this run of supremacy is remarkable. You know.
I feel I'm pretty good at evaluating the game. I've

(01:44:51):
been around the game for so long. I know how
hard every team works, how coaches work, how front officer.
I mean, the hours these guys put in to beat
the Patriots and not be able to do it. When
you look at Buffalo, Miami and the Jets and all
these years they've had changing coaching staffs, front office, players, quarterbacks,
you name it, and they still can't challenge the Patriots.

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I mean, it just goes to show you how brilliant
they are. Do you think that Brady will make it
to forty five? How many more? If I gave you
right now, he's forty one? If I gave you over
under two, does he play two more years? Or do
you think he goes over to I will knowing Tom,
I will say over too. I didn't think he would
get to forty Yeah, I mean I retired at thirty

(01:45:36):
nine play and you could feel it. Oh, I knew it.
There were balls, you know that when when I was
twenty nine, I'm I'm slinging that in there. You know,
I'm getting in there at thirty nine. I gotta put
a lark on it to get it there. And also
in the safety's driving and linebackers knocking it down. So
you lose, you know, I lost the fastball. Yeah, I
watched Tom. Yeah, I'm gonna sideline you watch the ball

(01:45:56):
is still coming out. It's been do you see. I
mean like we we had Annkell Roby, you know, like say,
oh you know what, I think I can see that
he's gotten he's slowed down. Do you see it. I do,
I do, I do not see it. And I watched
every Tom Brady passed this season. Yes, I watched every throw.
Uh there there wasn't a throw where I could say,
oh boy, I think Tom's losing it. I'm his mobilit

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and the pocket is still there. The velocity. Now, there
was a time in the season I'm not I'm not
quite sure of the weeks. I thought he may have
been a little bit dinged a little bit, a little
a little bit hur he you know, he just kind
of looks a little bit off right. He wasn't razor
sharp like you normally see Tom, and progression being there
and the body position, the pocket. I thought there's a
little run there a couple of games where where he

(01:46:40):
wasn't right. And then I'm hearing some rumors down here
that yeah, he was banged up a little bit in
a stretch of games this year and missed some practice time.
So you know, the the sky doesn't lie. Yeah, what
do you think? So? H I know you love watching
quarterback play in general. The draft obviously will be in April,
and the big story's gonna be Kyler Murray and I
don't know how much time you've gotten to watch him play,
but do you think he's a definite first round and pick?

(01:47:00):
How would you break down his game? Um? I will
preface this by saying I haven't studied his tape yet,
which I will probably be getting in a couple of weeks,
but I have watched a number of games on television.
The guy is a remarkable athlete. I mean, just an
unbelievable talent. But to me, now again, maybe I'm old
school and it's going back to you know, my rookie
year nineteen seventy three. It's very difficult for runaround quarterbacks

(01:47:24):
to sustain a career in the NFL. It's a prototypically
concerned about that for Lamar Jackson as well. I'm very
concerned about Lamar Jackson. We saw what you know, San
Diego Chargers did that came up with a you know,
very creative defense with you know, a four man rage,
seven defensive backs on the field and create a lot
of problems. They got pressure on them and and run
around quarterbacks have to learn to play the game from

(01:47:44):
the pocket. Maybe Lamar will I I can't answer that.
I'm not on that staff. And see how he's working
and paying the price to be great. He's got he's
got the god given tools to be a great quarterback
in this league. But the next step is to learn
how to play from the pocket and read coverage and
get the ball out. That's how you sustain excellent in
the National Football League. And obviously, you know Murray has
a great athletic ability. You know, at his size. I

(01:48:08):
don't know, you know Eddie LeBaron kind of size people
hell Nie LeBaron, right, I think he's like a five
ft six quarterback back in the day with the Dallas
do you know, good comparison. That's that's kind of the
the optic. Everyone gets. They remember Doug Flutie And now
Doug Flutie is playing in a flag football game Saturday.
It's the Sweat Flag Football Game. And I'll be there

(01:48:29):
and I play with Doug last year he dominated. I'm
I'm gonna still he's still. Yeah, you gonna go back
in the NFL right now, Maybe I'll sign you for
the Philadelphia Soul, the Arena Football League, I get. I'll
get him in a uniform somewhere. Do you think. Uh?
The last question for you. The a f A, a
f L and the XFL are both expanding kind of
a minor league for the NFL. You think those leagues

(01:48:49):
will be successful? Do you think there's enough demand and
interest for football outside of you know, basically they would
be starting when the football season ends here. I think
it's gonna be difficult play. You know, there's a lot
of money. You know, Vince McMahon and XFL, they've raised
a lot of money. Bill Polling is a smart guy.
You know, they've raised a lot of money to to
run their league. They'll be starting next week. But I've
always and maybe I'll be wrong, the NFL owns outdoor football,

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you know, like the Arena League has been around thirty
two years. I'm aware of what that doesn't we and
the really don't compete with the NFL. I think when
people say they're gonna be in the outdoor game, you
in effect are competing with the NFL, and it's very
hard to do that. But in regards the players, there
are a lot of players out there and not quite
good enough for the NFL, but that would be high level.

(01:49:36):
And in fact, two of my Philadelphia Soul players have
made it and they will play next week with the
Atlanta team. So there are a lot of players out there.
We all try out camps for the Arena Football League
on a regular basis. Two people show up every weekend,
live in the dream. I mean, it's amazing the talent
that is out there. So from that perspective, I think
it's really good because not only for players, you're developing coaches,

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athletic trainers, general managers, front office people. You're developing more
people in the business of football. And I was so
sad when NFL Europe closed its thirds few years ago
because I thought it was a phenomenal phenomenal for the
game of football and growing the game. Outstanding stuff. Ron Jaworski,
We can talk to you for a long time, I
think again. I love to I need to get your contact.

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That was fantastic. Uh, we're gonna go to break now.
When we come back, lots of more guests coming. I'm
not even sure who exactly is gonna be on, but
we're gonna continue to roll. This is OutKick the Coverage
on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions
about Kick the Coverage with Clay Travis week days at
six am Eastern three am Pacific Maroon five. Bringing us
back to the halftime, one of the halftime acts. We

(01:50:43):
are here in the Geico Outkicks Studios, joined now by
Thurman Thomas, a guy who's playing a few Super Bowls
over the year. We were just having a conversation. You're
a big hockey guy, you like to watch the Sabers,
and you still live in Buffalo, still live in Buffalo.
And I tell people all the time, you know what
everybody said, Oh, the NFC and MC championship games, that's
the best of all sports. I said, no, give me

(01:51:04):
a game of hockey for best for out of seven. Yeah,
serious hockey playoffs, unbelievable, unbelievable. It's the time that I
actually look forward to it that more than to do
the NFL play Have you ever been on skates in
your life? Yes? One? How to go? Not very good?
Not very good. Yeah. So now when we get back
to Buffalo, I would saying, you know what, I want
to do this, I want to learn. So I'm gonna

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go out. We call it, have a place called the
Harbor Center where we go up, big skating rink and
they got the walkers that you can walk, well, you
got the sas you know, so you don't hit the ice.
I don't care if I'm Thermatomas, I'm gonna learn how
to do this, and I'm gonna take my time doing it,
and I'm gonna do the walker. Your kids ever play hockey? No, yeah,
I mean it's so funny. My kids. I would have
never believed they're growing up in Nashville, but the Predators

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have become so popular. My kids were interested in learning
how to skate, you know, So I got it. I
didn't know how to put the pads on. I've never
done it in my life. So we got this, all
the pads and everything else. Uh we're talking to Therma Thomas.
Tell me who you're here with right off the top four,
so we get it. At take care of, uh the
wounded war ampute football team. Uh you know, they had
a game here last night, flag football game, and just
to see those guys was just amazing. Then I'm here

(01:52:10):
to help raise awareness for the need to provide service
dogs for a lot of vettomans that come back over
from Iraq and Afghanistan and uh so, yeah, it's been
a it's been a great partnership with them, working with
Sierra Delta. You know, they provide uh the service dogs
for our vetoments. That come back over here. So uh
uh so this has been a great organization and uh

(01:52:30):
happy to be a part of that's fantastic. I'm incredible
work that they do, and I'm glad you're here supporting
them and representing them. When uh, we're about to be
joined I think here shortly potentially by se Kwan Barkley,
who is got a nice little Rookie of the Year trophy.
But I'm curious with you, when was the last time
that you watched one of the Super Bowls that you
were in or part of one of the Super Bowls

(01:52:50):
that you were in. When we did the Four Falls
of Buffalo, Uh, the little documentary for ESPN. That was fantastic.
That was the last time that I've actually sat down
with a former teammate and watch the Super Bowl an
actual game, you know. So yeah, I don't. I don't.
I know the endland to all four of him, so
I don't watch. Uh. When's the last time you saw
Scott Norwood a year ago? Yeah, comes down to Jim

(01:53:14):
Kelly's tournament every every year. Yeah. Yeah, he's we had
to kind of bring him out a little bit. But
he's been down there for the past five or six years.
It's a good way to finish off Thursday show. Here
we got Sa Kwan Barkley sliding in next to you, say, Kwan,
do you remember watching Thurman Thomas at all? Have you've
seen this guy on YouTube at least? It's amazing appreciator man,

(01:53:39):
thank you so much. I think if we got his
mike turned up, his mike's not on, we gotta pop it.
We're good now you got Yeah, how you can say
it again? I said, if you've gotten to watch Thurman
Thomas played before, this is awesome. We got Sa Kwan
Barkley Thurman Thomas on to finish the show. What have
you seen from this guy? Yeah? Um, I got to
watch highlight tapes on YouTube and watch his footba our life.

(01:54:00):
Um my dad was a big fan of him. Um
uh back in the day. Um. And like I was saying, man,
he's one of the greats, and uh, it's an honor
as a privilege should you know, even be sitting here
and I'm having a conversation about him, and uh, you
know it just it's a crazy year for me and
to be able to meet you right now, it's it's honor. Really.
I appreciate appreciate. Well, you've got a nice little hardware

(01:54:20):
here that you're carrying around the PEPSI Rookie of the Year.
I'm sure it was a goal of yours to come
in and having performance like you did. But you know, Thurman,
how hard it is to come in as a rookie
and be as dominant sake one, what do you think
about his game when you watch it? Absolutely love it.
You know. Being up in Buffalo and being up in
the New York market, you know, I have an opportunity
to see him play every single weekend. And uh, you know,

(01:54:41):
I mean he led the NFL and yards from scrimmage
this year as a rookie, you know, And uh, and
that was something that I took a lot of pride in,
so having him run the football and cast the football.
I mean, that's that's what you want in a running back.
Coming from my day, you know, that's what you want
in a running back. And he's been tremendous man and
he even though it has not been the season that

(01:55:02):
he wanted, he still produced. And I think if you
can have that total athletic ability and being able to
go out there and make plays, perfect fit for the
New York Giants. Will you think I can do better? Um?
From going from my rookie year, um into my my
second year. What can I prove most well? I I

(01:55:22):
think when when I watch you, there's not a lot
to improve, you know, really, I mean, you do everything
very great. You know. I think one of the things
that I always talk about being a running back. You know,
you can obviously run the football, you can catch the football.
But one of the things that I always say when
I look at the guy, you know, can you do
blitz pick up? That's one of the key factors. If
you're gonna be a first, second, and third down back,

(01:55:43):
you're gonna see a lot of blitzer is. And uh,
I haven't seen a lot of Usually watch most of
the highlights and those are all good. I never get
to see the entire game. But if you can do that,
pick up the blitz and don't have to have that
quarterback on the offensive line worry about you know that
guy is blitz. Same awesome job. Coming straight from UH

(01:56:04):
from college going into the NFL and having the success
that you have, was it a bigger jump to you
going high school to Penn State or Penn State to
the NFL. Which was a more challenging adjustment. Um, Penn
State to NFL. UM, definitely always say Penn State to NFL,
because you know just how talented these guys are. Um.
You know, sometimes you go from high school to college
and uh, you might right from the jump you one

(01:56:26):
of the best players on the team. And it's crazy
to sound to say, but in some situations that's how
it is. UM. But in NFL you gotta figure it
all out. UM. You know. Obviously, I know people say
the speed is a lot different me personally, I don't
believe in that statement. Um, because if you run a
fourth three, you run the fourth three. If you run
a fourth six, you run the fourth states. But it's
what you do in between the lines and when your
preparation in your film study that makes you play at

(01:56:47):
a much faster uh, a faster level. And that's what
you gotta do. Now you have more time to watch film, Uh,
more time to break down film and study your opponents
to put you in the best position possible so you
can make plays. It's kind of like playing chess and um,
you know. So I would say definitely the challenges was, Uh,
it was definitely more challenging to go from college to
Penn State, especially with the process that you have in

(01:57:08):
between such a long process, do you actually get back
on the field. Um, all the meetings and talking to
coaches and running forty times and uh and doing interviews
and definitely say that plays in part of it too,
but uh, man, it was fun. It's funnier. Does zeoly
Man feel like you have a PhD in football? Because
he's seen so many snaps at the quarterback position? I
mean there's literally nothing he hasn't seen. You play with

(01:57:29):
the guy Jim Kelly, who also had basically seen everything.
What's it like to have somebody you can trust like that?
But when you're a rookie stepping in that has to
be a wild experience to go there with a thirty
seven year old guy who's been in the legal a
long time. Yeah, it's crazy. You know. I'm over. I'm
back there and starting to season. I'm looking and trying
to find what's going on, trying to read to save
these um and He's like, this guy's coming, go right there,
go right there, and I'm just like, yes, I'm over

(01:57:52):
to think like how I am I gonna see the
block and make sure he some time Um, he you know,
I don't think so far. Um this year. I don't know.
I could be wrong, Um, but I don't think he
missed a blitz. He knew every time. That's what I've
heard from people on his offensive line, that he knows
exactly what's gonna happen. I think he put us in
a position and we as a running back myself for
the off the line might have messed it up for him. Um,

(01:58:15):
but he always puts us in the right position. Honestly,
I can be wrong with the statement, but um, from
watching him, from what I can remember, I don't think
he missed a blitz this year. Man. He's he's special.
He's special, your offensive special Thurman with Jim Kelly, you
guys did things that weren't being done by other teams
at the time. How advanced do you think your schemes
and concepts were compared to a lot of the other
at the rest of the NFL teams? Um, you know,

(01:58:36):
we we caught a lot of teams off guard when
we first started running the K gun, no huddle, three
wide receivers, one running back. You know, we caught a
lot of people off guard, and really we kind of
surprised ourselves and how good we were running the no
hudder and with the three wide because we didn't, like
I said in my office, maybe we maybe had anywhere
from five to seven running plays that we ran, yes,

(01:58:59):
and we probably only used three or four of them,
you know, so we kind of kept the basic offense
and you know, whatever you lined up in, We're gonna
run it no matter what. I mean, that's just kind
of how we win at things. And uh, and to
open it up with the passing game. I mean, you're
seeing that right now. I think the closest team today
it's probably the Los Angeles Rams because they run a

(01:59:21):
lot of three wide out one running back type formation
the K gun. So yeah, it's uh, yeah, we were
kind of before our times, but you know we we
definitely as former players we see some of the type
of players that other teams run to be like, oh
we ran that before, se Kwan. When you step into
that locker room, Eli Manning's famous, right, everybody knows him.
Odell Beckham Jr. Is famous. Did it feel the first

(01:59:43):
time you walked in there a little bit surreal? Like
I can't believe that I'm now on the same level
as these guys or did you almost immediately just step
in and feel like you've been there a while? Um? Yeah, surreal,
I'll say surreal. You know you just take everything in. Um.
And it wasn't even just coming as a fan perspective. Um,
obviously I was a fan of all the all those
people's game. It was just like taking a deep breath,
like you here, you know, like it's everything you talked

(02:00:05):
about when you're kid, with your family and your parents
and all the advices that they gave you and all
the hard work that you put in. You hear, Um,
you finally made it. But then you have to step
back out of that and be like, so now you're here,
Now what you gotta do something with it now? So, UM,
just try to take the approach of asking a lot
of questions and learning from those guys, and um, just
so I can try to be as successful as I

(02:00:27):
can be and I have an impact on the team. Um,
so I can have the team. One names we're talking
to this is this is unique here because a lot
of guys that come into I mean the guy went
to Pis State. I mean it was all American and
Pis State and then all of a sudden step into
the NFL and step in to the market of New
York with a lot of me with ode and he

(02:00:48):
has handled himself tremendously. I mean I've watched him over
the past couple of years in college and in his
first year with the New York the interviews, the fun
playing the game, the love of the game. But you're
a fan, A huge fan, huge fan. That's pretty cool
for you to hear imagine exactly. I mean, it's uh,
you know, and I know he got this, but you

(02:01:11):
know he's striving. The Rookie of the year, it's the
next one. You know, he got more to come, more
to come outstanding stuff. Hey, I appreciate you guys quickly
more sore. How much sore are you after an NFL
game than a college game? Um, I would say that
definitely sore an NFL just it hits. The hits are
a little bit harder the bigger man, So I would
say definitely. Thomas Sae Kwon Barkley, this is outkicked for

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