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you waking up with us across the country and coming
to hang out as you prepare to roll into the weekend.
And obviously as we roll into the weekend, there are
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a couple of different things out there that that are
worth discussing, and almost all of them have to do
with the a f C in the NFC title game,
And so I've been thinking a lot about these games.
Over the course of the past couple of days. I've
been sitting around trying to decide how I'm gonna gamble
on them, what picks I like, and I'll give those
to you an hour three. Not that I've been on
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that much of a role when it comes to betting
on the NFL playoffs, especially last weekend when I had
the Saints uh plus plus five ended up getting a
push on that crazy ending. But I'm also thinking what
is the best outcome for the NFL and for fans,
And my easy read here is that we need the
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Patriots and Tom Brady in the super Bowl desperately in
order for that game to be relevant in a couple
of weeks. But then also the other side of me thinks,
if the Patriots aren't there, then it gives hope two
pretty much every other NFL team, because if your team
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has a crappy to mediocre quarterback and even has a
quarterback injury, maybe they could still make the playoffs, and
then maybe they could still advance in the playoffs to
the super Bowl, by which I mean, of the four
teams remaining right now, three of them have what would
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be the worst quarterback situation to make a super Bowl
since Brad Johnson and uh Rich Gannon played back in
the I believe it was the two thousand three Super Bowl.
That's the worst matchup in the twenty one century on
both sides at the quarterback position, Rich Gannon versus good
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old Nobody's gonna put him in the super Bowl. But man,
he made the Tampa Bay people happy, Brad Johnson. So
if you think about that, every year since then has
effectively been one the Super Bowl has by a guy
who's either a shore fire first ballot, no nonsense Hall
of Famer or is perpetually debate whether or not he's
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a really good quarterback in Joe Flacco. The worst quarterback
to win a Super Bowl since all the way back
in two thousand three is Joe Flacco, and frankly, Joe
Flacco's postseason record is incredible, but he's the worst quarterbacks
in two thousand three to win the Super Bowl. And frankly,
the worst matchup since two thousand three between quarterbacks and
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the Super Bowl was Joe Flacco against Colin Kaepernick. And
so it's possible, and I don't think it's very likely,
but with the hand injury and the continuing drama about
how much of an impact that might be, it's possible
we could get Blake Bortles versus Nick Foles or case Keenum.
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Now I'm not excited about that prospect, but I do
think it would at least kill the narrative which has
existed for roughly fifteen years of you have to have
an elite level quarterback in order to get to the
Super Bowl probably and certainly in order to win it.
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And it might also kill the Patriots dynasty because then
as you enter the twenty eighteen football season, a lot
of people myself included, might think okay, is forty one
year old Tom Brady still, alongside of Bill Belichick, the
presumptive favorite to win another title. Because of the Patriots
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lost at home to the Jags, it would be a
significant blow to their overall resume as we enter ten. Now,
I still think they'd probably be favored, but there would
at least be some more questioning, especially if Brady didn't
play very well. All of that really kind of rushing
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around as we come up on the Sunday games, the
a f C and the NFC title game. We also
have to toss in that the NFL is in the
midst of an absolute collapse in viewership. This past weekend,
the divisional round playoff games, there were three great games,
three games that went right down to the wire. Falcons Eagles.
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Matt Ryan's throwing into the end zone. The ball is
literally just barely going through Julio Jones hands, otherwise the
Falcons probably win that game. We know about how incredible
and probable the ending will us for Saints Vikings, and
in terms of pure entertainment, did anybody foresee a forty
two Jags win over the Steelers? The only game that
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stunk was the Patriots dismantling in the Tennessee Titans. Three
of the four games were really good. Do you know
many people watched? Twenty three million less people watched the
divisional round games of the NFL this past year. This
year as composed to compared to last year, down six
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in viewership, despite the fact that the games are outstanding.
The NFL right now is totally under siege and they
need a great Super Bowl and they need some really
good a f C and NFC title games in order
to bounce back from what has been a devastating year
of viewership. And I think a lot of it has
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to do with mixing politics and football. But you guys
know that that that's my Indian and then obviously other
people out there have different opinions and don't necessarily agree
with that opinion of mine. But what's better for the league,
what's better for the average fan? I think it's Brady
going up against either the Vikings or the Eagles. I
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don't think it really matters that much who wins the NFC,
because you're gonna have that underdog, You're gonna have that
favorite in the in the Patriots, And it doesn't really
matter which of those two teams goes, I think personally,
if the Vikings advance, it makes for a more entertaining
and exciting week because the storyline of the Minnesota Vikings,
who haven't won a lot in terms of being in
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the super Bowl, certainly not in terms of championships, being
able to play that game at home is one that's
tough to escape. It's pretty exciting. We'll be live from
the super Bowl for a week. I think the environment
at the super Bowl will be infinitely better if the
Vikings are there. So I'm rooting for the Vikings to
win because I think it makes the surrounding environment of
the super Bowl just better. Now, the Eagles wouldn't be
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bad either, because Eagles have a huge loyal fan base
and they haven't won anything either, But being in the
city where you hope you can pull off an upset
potentially over the Patriots will be fantastic. But I think
the absolute lack of interest that would exist over a
Blake Boardles versus Nick Foles or case keenom super Bowl
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would be deafening, especially with two weeks to talk about it.
Whereas if Brady's coming back and Belichick's there and the
Patriots are going for their six Super Bowl. I think
it would be a hell of a storyline, and I
think that probably benefits the NFL much better in the
short term. But my question is that this is kind
of breaking it down on a short term versus long
term basis. Is it actually better for the league long
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term if they get too non traditional quarterbacks superstars going
head to head, because for the next several years, it'll
start the season off and you can think, hey, even
if we don't have Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson or
a Matt Ryan or a Cam Newton or Drew Brees
or Tom Brady, my team still has a champion, a
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chance to win a championship, not just to make the playoffs,
but a chance to advance once we get to the
playoffs and actually win the Super Bowl. I think that's
somewhat valuable because the NFL used to be the mantra
of on any given Sunday, except it's turned into a
little bit of a version of the n b A.
The NBA, to me, is almost impossible to watch in
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the regular season or even until the high rounds of
the playoffs. If you actually want to have uncertainty as
to what's going to happen, because you know that the
teams with the best players are head and shoulders above
everybody else. So what's the point of paying attention until
probably the semifinals of the NBA at the absolute earliest.
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Otherwise you know exactly what's gonna happen. And I think
the NFL is starting to fall victim a little bit
to that, because if you look at the last of
team the years, you've got six or seven teams every
year with great quarterbacks with a chance to win the
Super Bowl, and everybody else is just trying to figure
out whether they've got a great quarterback. They got a
young guy and they're trying to figure out how good
he is or they stink, and they're trying to get
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in position to draft a quarterback so they can figure
out whether or not that guy is gonna be good
or not. And obviously there are a lot of teams
right now that are gonna be desperate for quarterbacks. I
saw one of the most recent mock drafts had I
think six guys going in the first round as quarterbacks,
and I was like, holy cow, everybody out there is
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desperate right now. In the first four you can probably
think about pretty easy Josh Allen, Sam Donald, Josh Rosen,
and Baker Mayfield. But this draft also had Lamar Jackson
and Mason Rudolph all going in the first round of
the NFL Draft. That's how desperate people are right now
to find quarterbacks. And that's because right now it's a
quarterbacks league. Now. If Nick Foles and case Keenum one
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of those guys gonna be in the super Bowl, that's
a big upset. But if he goes into the Super
Bowl and he gets drilled by Brady, nothing changes about
the overall storyline of the NFL. Whereas if the Jags
go on the road and beat the Patriots, then the
storyline changes completely because you got Blake Bortles, the most
hated man in the NFL, who's never done anything wrong,
going up against Folds or Keenum. Is that good for
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the league? Which way are you rooting? Even if you
hate the Patriots, are you rooting for them to advance
to the Super Bowl and win the a f C
Title Game? I am, I am I I just I
don't want the Jacksonville Jaguars, helmed up by Blake Bortles
to make the Super Bowl because I don't want to
talk about a Bortles versus Keenom or Borders versus Folds
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super Bowl for two weeks. I think we need Brady there.
It's like the line from a Few good Men, you
want you need me on the wall. You want me
on the wall. That's what we need. That's where we
are right now with the Patriots. We need the Patriots
on that wall. We want them on the wall. Otherwise,
there's not a lot there not a lot of sexiness
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in the NFL matchup. If the Patriots, Bill Belichick Tom
Brady are not advancing. We think you think about this
Brady hand injury. I don't know. I just always think
that there's nothing to it. But Vegas might think there's
something to it. The line and just the last short
amount of time has dropped in the last twenty four hours,
dropped from the Patriots as a nine and a half
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point favorite to a seven point favorite. That's a pretty
significant line move. Lots of money coming in on the Jags.
I can't wait to see what's gonna happen. And be
honest with you on Sunday, I'll bring in the crew.
I'll open up the phone lines eight seven seven six three, six, nine,
find out what you guys think. Also, just so you know,
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There's a great story out, great story out about the
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of a friendship they have. That is pretty phenomenal. And
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also I'm gonna talk to you guys about that kind
of that legacy is what Belichick has done or Saban
done more impressive, lots to get to we'll dive into
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the crew. I'll take your calls next eight seven seven,
six three six nine. Poll questions gonna go up shortly,
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and the poll question is gonna be this, does the
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in it if you would like. And I do think
it's kind of a fascinating question because people say, oh,
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I hate you know so frequently, Oh I hate um
everything about the Patriots. I can't stand to see the Patriots,
so there's no way that I ever want to see
the Patriots win, And then the ratings reflect that that's
not true. At all that people actually can't get enough
of the New England Patriots because they love to hate them.
So my question, are you rooting for Brady Belichick and
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the Patriots to make the Super Bowl even if you
hate them? Because of Bordles versus Full's Keenum super Bowl
would suck. I'm actually surprised by this six of you
say you are not rooting for the Patriots. Now, I
think a large percentage of this is just people not
answering the question, really and because effectively, what could other
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way you could ask that is are you rooting for
the Jags to win this game? And if the answer
is yes, that you're rooting for the Jacks to win
this game? I wonder if that's going to be different
than the pole results. Let me bring in the crew,
is a good or bad for the NFL if it's
Blake Bortles versus Nick Foles or Case Keenum in the
Super Bowl? Jason Martin, I'm torn um because I can't
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cheer for New England. I just I just can't cheer
for the Patriots to win football games. But cheering against
them in the Super Bowl is a blast. It's always fun,
especially when the other option is a pretty milk toast
Jacksonville team nobody really has an opinion on yet. Now
there are some great characters. This is something that maybe
we would have to start to take note of, certainly
while we're in Minneapolis, if Jacksonville were to pull this upset.
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There are some great characters on this especially on this
defense Jalen Ramsey, just having him at media day. Nobody
for the Patriots ever says anything. Jacksonville's defense would do
nothing but talk and there would be a lot of
fun stories coming out of that. But nobody sees the
Jags yet as the Seahawks on a national level. On
the other side, if we don't have the sexy quarterback
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match up, if it's Keenum and Bordles, or if it's
Fulls and Bordles, then we start having to pay attention
to a lot of other players. That could be better
for the league, because it has certainly become a quarterback
narrative driven league, even though there are a lot of
fantastic players that don't move Vegas lines all that much
but are nonetheless extremely important. And maybe if we were
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paying more attention to everybody on the field, that would
be better for the NFL long term. Because then when
you have quarterback injuries, people wouldn't tune out the way
that they certainly did at least at some part of
the ratings drop would have to go with a lot
of the injuries and some of the quarterbacks, with Aaron
Rodgers and some of the things that have happened there.
So I'm torn because I can't cheer for the Patriots,
but at the same time, having them in the Super
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Bowl is advantageous because it gives you that evil empire
to root against. I think the league desperately needs the
Patriots to win on Sunday Night against the Jags. I
just I think that if you get a Blake Bortles
versus Nick Foles and case Keenom storyline, it's gonna be
a disaster because a lot of people, whether they are
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being honest or not, watch the Patriots to to try
to see them lose, and they are the evil Empire,
they are the death Star. People want the Patriots to lose,
and there would be a little bit of excitement over
them losing in the a f C Title Game and
not going to the Super Bowl, but that would pale
in comparison when you suddenly realized, wait, a minute. There
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are two weeks now where we talk about the Jags
and Blake Bortles going up against either the Eagles and
and Nick Foles or the Vikings and case Keenum. You
kind of know what the storyline of this game is
gonna be. Likely. It's gonna be the upstart nobody believed
in him, NFC champ, whether it's the Eagles or the
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Vikings against the blue blood dynasty of the Patriots, and
that's at least somewhat entertaining. I don't think there's that
much entertainment about Jags versus either the Eagles or the Vikings.
What about you guys out in l A. Don't you
think that the NFL desperately needs the Patriots to win? Yeah,
Brady would be really good for the casual Super Bowl viewers.
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You always talk about that guy at the Super Bowl party,
Clay who doesn't know much about sports. Yes, because there's
like like a hundred I always think this is interesting.
This weekend, the NFC and the a f C title
game will have around I'm guessing million people watch, right,
that's a lot. That's a big audience. It's a massive
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audience for this weekend for the a f C in
the NFC Title Game. The Super Bowl will have a
hundred million or more. So think about, like everybody who's
out there listening to me right now, I bet are
very few of you who are not gonna watch at
least a few minutes of both the a f C
and the NFC title game. Think about this guy out
there or girl who's not gonna watch either the a
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f C or the NFC title game, and there are
fifty five million of them, and then it's gonna come
rolling in for the Super Bowl. That's always amazing to me.
You not watch, Oh, I'm not willing to watch the semifinals.
I'm not willing to watch the a f C and
the NFC championship get crowned. But fifty over fifty five
million people suddenly show up for the Super Bowl. And
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that guy or girl doesn't know much about the NFL.
But they know Brady, they know Belichick, they know the Patriots.
Because of the last twenty years basically of the NFL.
They don't know who case Keenum is. They have no
idea who Blake Bortles is. They may not even know
that Jacksonville has an NFL franchise because the Jags have
never been in that that important of games, at least
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not going all the way back to So that that
to me the people that they are worried about that
the NFL is worried about producing, and they're particularly worried
about producing that audience in a year where their ratings
are down double digits, where even as good as their
NFC and a f C divisional round playoff games were
last weekend, they were down twenty three million fewer people
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watch the NFL last week as opposed to the year before,
compared to the divisional round playoff games. That's a big issue.
So you're with me, Dangers like they need on that wall.
They do, But on the other hand, it's not as
good for us hardcore NFL fans because we do want
to see some new stars step forward now. With all
due respect to Patriots fans, I'm so sick of seeing
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Tom Brady's face on the screen, so I would like
to see some new blood. I think I don't remember,
and I would love to know if they were, if
it were happening right now, what the response would be.
The last team that was as dominant as this New
England Patriot team. In my opinion was the late nineties
Chicago Bulls when they won six out of eight championships. Now,
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I know the dynasty of the Patriots has been longer,
but if they win their sixth, they're equaling. Tom Brady
is the Michael Jordan's six that he won with the Bulls, right,
And I think that six Super Bowls will probably never
be equal, that's my guess, probably never be equaled by
any other quarterback in the history of the NFL. Like
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I think Brady is already competing against himself basically that
if he can get to six, I don't know and
and and seven or whatever his final number is gonna be.
I don't know that anybody else ever gets there. And
I think you guys probably agree with me that he's
competing now against his own legacy as opposed to against
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anybody else. And but I do wonder I had the sense,
And I'm old enough. A lot of people listening to
us crazily aren't even old enough to remember what that
was like. But in when Jordan and the Bulls won
their sixth title, when he pushed off Brian Russell, I'm sorry,
Salt Lake City, and he stepped back and he drained
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the jumper in Game six to win his sixth NBA
Championship in eight years. I have the sense that the
vast majority of the country was rooting for Michael Jordan's
and the Chicago Bulls dynasty. That is, we wanted to
see them when we wanted to see that dynasty continue.
Most people would have loved to see Jordan's ride off
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into the sunset after making that jumper and never have
come back and played for the Washington Wizards, and our
final memory of him being him going out on top
at the absolute apex of his career as a champion. Now,
I don't think his legacy was impacted that much by
coming back and playing for the Washington Wizards. I don't
think that the long range most people even will remember
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that Washington Wizard's tenure for Michael Jordan's. But I do
think it's interesting that everybody seemed to be rooting back
in the day for Jordans and the Bulls, and I
don't think anybody's rooting for the Patriots and Tom Brady. Now,
maybe that's because of the spy Gate controversy. Maybe that's
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because of the flight Gate and this idea that the
Patriots are just right on the edge of, if not
beyond the rules of the game, which there were certainly
never any suggestion of about the Chicago Bulls. But I
also wonder whether the dislike for the Patriots has to
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do with an era where everything moves so quickly and
the Patriots have been so consistent. In other words, think
about the way we cover stories. It's almost impossible for
a story to last more than a day on this show.
How often do we open one show on let's say,
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like Thursday show with the story and then open on
Friday with the exact same story. Not very often. We've
got a president right now who can create stories amazingly
every single day. I mean, people are talking about what
Donald Trump said about immigration still some but he's also
got a porn star controversy now, I mean, and and
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who knows what will happen today later in the day
that will also now become a story. There are so
many stories that all happened so quickly. I wonder if
people would have tired out of the Chicago Bulls if
the Bulls have been playing in this era. I think
that the era of Dynasty's was more embraced back before
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the news cycle got so accelerated. Does that make sense
to you guys out there, because people weren't rooting against Jordan's,
people weren't rooting against the Bulls. I was, yeah, but
you're in a you're an exception the vast majority. Like
right now, I'm saying, are you rooting for Brady and
Belichick in the Patriots to make the Super Bowl even
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if you hate them? Because the Bordles Versus Folds Keendom
Super Bowl would suck. Nearly se people are saying that
they are rooting against the Patriots to make the Super Bowl.
When Michael Jordan's and the Bulls were playing the Indiana
Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals in Game seven, the vast,
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vast majority of people in the country, we're not rooting
for the Indiana Pacers to upset the Bulls in Game
seven and advanced to play against the Jazz as entertaining
as Reggie Miller was, as much as you might have
liked the Pacers, leaving aside Indianapolis, where I'm sure everybody's
rooting for the Pacers. That's normal, you root for your
local team. Everybody was on the side of the Bulls,
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and I wonder whether that would change if the Bulls
were around now, because I don't think the hater gene
had really taken off yet. When I was a kid
growing up all the way through high school, really in
the pre Internet air, there weren't haters, Like the hater
gene didn't really take off. The Internet kind of has
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allowed the hater gene to flourish for people to combat excellence.
Think about it in your own life. It was so
rare that anybody criticized the Bulls or Michael Jordan's for
anything during the apex of the Bulls absolute domination of
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the n b A. Now Lebron is the quintessential like
getting ripped guy. But there's also a lot of people
out there who hate the Warriors. They don't like Draymond Green, Oh,
Kevin Durant's a turncoat for making the decision to leave,
and obviously the Patriots and Tom Brady are universally disliked.
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I think the only like, if you did a map
right now of who were people rooting for the Patriots
or the Jags, the Jags would win like forty seven
or forty eight of the fifty states right now. And
it's not the Jags winning because the Jags are a
particularly likable group of people. It's just because they are
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playing against the Patriots. What do you guys think in
general about my thesis there? You're saying like you're always
trying to play the devil's advocate or oh I hated
the Bulls. People like the Bulls. That's just not true.
Don't believe that at all. Yes, everybody roots against Dynasty's.
They might want them in the everybody quietly at home,
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but they hold against them open phone lines right now,
were you rooting for the Bulls or the Jazz in
everybody out there listening to us right now and by like,
and I'm again, I don't want to hear from Pacer
fans or Jazz fans because obviously you're going to root
for your favorite local team. Jordan's was like a seventy
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five or eight percent people rooting for the Bulls. I
want to go to l A. Are you with me here,
Danny g At the vast majority of people back, we're
rooting for Jordan and the Bulls to win. No, Clay,
I'm not. I mean, you guys are totally this one. No,
this is the one where I'm because he fried so
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many teams if you if you rooted for any team
in the Eastern Conference you hated Michael Jordan's, You're not
I'm gonna put this poll out. You're gonna lose. It.
Gonna be seventy five percent rooting at least for Michael
Jordan's and the bull polls are skewed because you have
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all your ball washers voting in favor of whatever. You
guys are totally now, I'm so oh, I'm so powerful
people are afraid to disagree with about is how powerful
you are. I am powerful. But the idea that you
read my mentions, the idea that people out there just
are going to agree with me because I'm me, is
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the most laughably absurd They out there that Twitter and
social media is the king of No matter what you say,
people are gonna disagree. I remember I've said this for
a long time, Like early on in Twitter, when I
was like, man, there are a lot of losers out there.
I went on Twitter and I was like, man, I
love cobbler, and somebody's like, you suck. Cobbler sucks, And
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I'm like, wait a minute, who doesn't like sugar mixed
with fruit mixed with bread? If you do Cobbler, like
you are an awful human being, but like you can
come on and say the most innocuous thing imaginable, you know,
like it's fun to jump into swimming pool and people
will be like, I hate swimming pools. The beach is
really fun. I guess if you like sand in the sun.
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You know, like, it doesn't matter what you say, somebody
out there is gonna be immediately like I could give
you any opinion. I can give you any opinion right now,
Like what is the most popular thing in America today? Like,
if you had to go to war over what is
the most popular thing in America today? What would that be?
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What are the most people like money? Money? Money is
like Okay, if I went on Twitter right now and
I was like, it's good to be rich, somebody would
immediately say, no, money's overrated. It doesn't matter what it is.
That's what I'm talking about, the hater generation. Social media
has allowed it to flourish because anything that's good, there's
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somebody who has to be the j Mart of the
world and be like, oh, it sucks. It doesn't matter
what it is. Like I can come on and say
like sucks. No, if you compare them and to Tom
Brady in two thousand eighteen. There are infinitely more people
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who were rooting for Jordan and the Bulls Dynasty for
them to win their sixth title than are rooting right
now for Brady to win his sixth title with the Patriots.
It's not even remotely close, not even remotely close. You
guys argue with each other for a minute. I put
this pole question up just well, actually we're going to break,
all right, so I'll put the pole question up. You
could find me on Twitter at Clay Travis. You can
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also weigh in eight seven seven nine six six three
six nine. Do you dispute this? Do you dispute the
fact that there are infinitely more people that rooted for
Michael Jordan in than are rooting for Brady and the
Patriots in twenty eighteen? Yeah, I agree with that. Do
you agree with that? Jason Martin, You're gonna play Devil's
advocate here too. I'm taking phone calls. Jessica Cooper, were
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you even alive in Yes? What year were you born? Oh?
Eight eight, so do you remember? Yeah? That was the
that was the height of my my my glory days.
Now you were like a child star then you should
count for like a hundred people who were you rooting
for Jordan or the or the or the Jazz. I mean,
like I I liked Jordan's, but I mean I was
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a fan of, you know, a Western Conference team. So
my my argument is that if you were a fan
of any Eastern Conference team, you aided Michael Jordan because
it meant you had no chance to get into the finals.
I disagree completely with that. I think people at people
appreciated excellence back then, and you didn't judge your team
for not being excellent like you do now. You were like, hey,
it's just Jordan's Jordan's league eight seven, seven, six, three
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six nine Brady versus Jordan's in their quest for six
am I right, of course I am. Is everybody else
on this show full of it? Yeah, of course they are.
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else on the show is wrong. Were you rooting for
Michael Jordan and the Bulls to win their sixth title
in nine when they played the Utah Jazz? I said
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it was gonna be seventy or seven five percent? What
is it right now? Nearly a thousand of you have
voted during that commercial break, nearly seventy told you what
do you mean? You guys? You guys bitch and moaned
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more about me being right that anybody with a bunch
of loaded words, that is what is loaded in it's
specific to the Jazz. The Jazz were a boring team.
I didn't care if the Jazz lost to him. I'm
talking about the half of my family that are Knicks fans.
They despised you would be rooting for the Jazz you're
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rooting against. So you want me to delete this question
and remove a reference to the Jazz, and you think
the outcome is gonna change, No, of course not. I'm
just reminding people of what the final Bulls Get series was.
It's been twenty years. Most people like you got like
it seems like it's recent to us because we're getting old.
I'm third of eight years old now. But they're kids, right,
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now in their car driving to work and the only
way literally kids driving to work right now now, and
they have no idea who Michael Jordan was playing against
unless you tell them, Oh, that was the Jazz game.
I remember seeing a clip of that on YouTube, or
a highlight of Michael Jordan's stepping back and hitting a jumper.
But your premise, your premise was that most people root
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for Michael or rooted the It's totally true, the vast
majority of NBA fans in people watching that series wanted
Michael Jordan and the Bulls to win a title, whereas
the that their sixth title, whereas the vast majority of
people who are watching the a f C Championship series
are rooting against Tom Brady and the Patriots. Okay, I
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think that's fascinating. So okay, so that yeah, then then,
I mean I would agree with you on that. It's
it's a little bit different. When you asked us, I
thought you were talking about just rooting for Jordan in
general throughout his career. And I don't think that the
majority of NBA fans did that. Oh I think I
think they did that too, But I'm just talking about
championships right now. Because to me, this is an interesting window.
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In twenty years we have gone from n when the
vast majority of NBA fans that's still the highest rated
NBA series, I believe of all time. I think I'm
correcting that, you know, at least like my modern area,
I should say cable era, because back in the sixties
and seventies when there were only three television stations, I
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don't know what the games did. But in the modern era,
like when there's cable, that's the highest rated NBA series
of all time. I think number two now is the
most recent Warriors versus calvs. Series. Because everybody has an
opinion on Lebron, but in n everybody, in my opinion,
the vast majority, we're rooting for Jordan and the Bulls
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to win their sixth title. They were a dynasty. They
were going for their sixth title in eight years. And oh,
by the way, Houston, you're thank you're lucky Stars You've
got two titles because my Cael Jordan got suspended for
gambling on games, in my opinion, and that's why he
suddenly decided to go play baseball for two years. But
thank you're lucky Starts for that or he'd had eight
in a row, but six out of eight, everybody's rooting
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for Jordan and the Bulls, And then in this situation
you have got just about everybody. The numbers are almost
completely flipped in terms of who's rooting for the Patriots,
like of people are rooting for the Patriots to win
their sixth Super Bowl. So I think that's kind of
an interesting window into sports society. Now again, you can
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say that this has to do with the flight Gate,
this has to do with spy Gate, it has to
do with Bill Belichick, all those other different stories. You
could even say that the Patriots dynasty has been longer lasting,
so people are more likely to be tired of them.
But I just find that dichotomy, that difference in twenty
years of sports between everybody buying large a huge majority
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rooting for Michael Jordan to win his sixth title in
eight years, to a huge majority rooting against Tom Brady
winning his sixth title. And it's not as if Brady
is going up against somebody really popular. It's you know,
it's I don't even know that. It's not like the
Vikings have any kind of national fan base or the
Eagles have any really substantial fan base. Now. I know
(36:24):
the Eagles have more fans because more people, it feels like,
have moved out of Philadelphia and spread across the country.
But it's not like they're the Steelers. It's not like
they're the Green Bay Packers or the Dallas Cowboys, where
people have just ended up fans of the Eagles even
though they live in a different part of the country.
And certainly, the Jacksonville Jaguars are literally the least relevant
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team in the entirety of the NFL, and the vast
majority of sports fans are rooting for the Jacksonville Jaguars
in this game against the Patriots. I don't disagree with that.
I just I just think there are other dynasties between
those two that we can discussed as well. I just
think it's an anti dynasty thing in general. Maybe the
Bulls were different because MJ was such a transcendent star,
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but because everybody want the teams, everybody loved them eight
seven seven nine. Will take some of your calls on this.
You can agree with me or you can be wrong,
and then we're gonna go to my guy, Lance Taylor.
I'll ask him about this, and then an hour three
We're gonna talk to Casey Smith and also we gotta
get the Woke report from Jason Martin to fulfill his punishment.
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for a free rate quote. I said something that I
didn't think was crazy at all. Sometimes I say things
that are crazy. I'm like, I think people are gonna
be like, Oh, there's no way this is true. I said,
people rooted for Michael Jordan's and Chicago Bulls to win
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their sixth title. The vast majority of people now, they're
they're exceptions. Yes, if you were a Utah Jazz fan
you hate the Bulls, I get it. If you were
an Indiana Pacers man you hate the Bulls, I get it.
But the vast majority of you out there who are
casual fans who didn't have a dog in the fight,
so to speak, you were rooting for Jordan and the
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Bulls to win their sixth title. Well, Brady and the
Patriots are going for their sixth title and nobody is
rooting for them at all. And I think that's an
interesting situation where we kind of break down the overall
trajectory of sports and the way things have changed in
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the Internet era, because the Bulls came in right at
the end of the non Internet era. If you had
the Internet, you were still having to do dial up.
You know, it's still slow moving. You weren't spending a
lot of time on message boards. Probably social media certainly
didn't exist. There was no Facebook. There was like email, yes,
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but it was still kind of taken off. There you go.
We got the dial it. Remember that? Remember that sound?
Oh that's such a that is so oh, that is
so perfect. I mean I didn't have an email address
before I went to college. I told like, there are
so many people right now like, oh I remember that.
Remember you'd be trying to download a picture and that
(39:16):
picture would take forever to show, five minutes to see
Cindy Crawford hanging the second phone up, hang it up. Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that would be oh. And
a lot of people out there listening to us right
now have literally no idea what that sound was. We
just played play that sound again. Do we have that sound. Still,
that's such a great sound. There's what percentage of our
(39:36):
audience has ever heard this sound that we're about to
play before. There's so many people right now, so many
kids in the cars and their parents like, what is that?
What is that? Dad? What? What is that sound that
they're playing on this show? They have no idea, no
(39:59):
earthly idea. That's the podcast. The numbers are gonna be
even more insane. There's no college kid who's ever heard
that sound before. Not a single college kid has ever
heard that sound, has any clue what's going on there.
I just felt like I was eighteen listening to that,
Like like every time you had set up a O
L or you'd set it up and you'd hear that sound,
and you know you could go like grab a soda
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or go use the restroom because you had about two
minutes before that thing was going to connect and you
even got to your mailbox. Think about this, Think about this.
How much less opinion would there be on social media
if every time you had to do an opinion, that
sound happened before you did it, and you knew that
in order to send your tweet it was gonna take
like ten minutes. Think about that, right, because you would
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be like, there were so many times you get knocked off.
You'd be like, you know, trying to send an email,
or you'd be like in the middle of a big
time I am chat and then like somebody would ring
and they get knocked off, or somebody would pick up
the phone and you'd be like, no, no, don't, don't
pick up the phone, like I'm trying to. I got
a homework, like I'm trying like whatever. It was. Oh man,
that was crazy. So I had the irrational, wild idea
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that back when the Internet sounded like that, that the
vast majority of fans out there were rooting for Michael
Jordan's in the NBA Finals. I said it would be,
and I didn't I didn't hear casual when you said
it until now either. Casual fans absolutely because watches. That's
who watches these series. Like the hardcore fan. This is
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my point in general, like the hardcore fan out there
is gonna watch the a f C in the NFC
title game, right every I would venture to say, just
about every single person who's listening to us right now
will watch at least one minute of both the a
f C and the NFC. Assuming you're not working, you know, like,
assuming you have some form of free time on Sunday
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afternoon from three to ten or whatever time, these games
are gonna be on. The vast majority of you'll be
watching these games. But what's amazing to me every year is,
and I'm not sure what the total numbers will be
the year because the NFL ratings are down pretty substantially,
and there's still a lot of you out there I
know listening to me who are like, screw the NFL,
I'm not gonna watch it. Totally within your rights. You
can protest their protest, I get it. But if you
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look at those numbers, they are gonna more than double
by the time we get to the super Bowl, and
the people who come in are the casual fan, the
guy who's watching television commercials back in the day. And
we got a couple of interesting things we were talking
about off the year during that break. I do think
it's really instructive to think about the difference between and
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twenty years a generation in sports and think about how
much different things are. Because you were pointing out Jason
Martin and I was part of this generation. Certainly, we
grew up with posters on our walls for our favorite
sports teams and or athletes. For example, I had Michael
Jordan's on my wall dunking from the free throw line
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in the Slam Dunk contest back in the day in
the late eighties. I think it was in Chicago when
he supposedly jumped from the free throw line but actually
took off inside the free throw line, but has that
iconic photo from the side of him with the ball
cocked back, tongue out in the air. I had that
on my wall. I had Bo Jackson with the baseball
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bat on his shoulders and the shoulder pads, the baseball
bow and football bow picture that became so iconic. I
think it was like a scoreboard baseball football card. It
was a great photo, black and white photo of Michael
Joe I mean, sorry of Bo Jackson. I had a
bunch of wrestlers back in the day. I had Brutus
the barber, beefcake. I had uh I think Hule Cogan,
(43:39):
Macho Man. Like all of those laminated pictures posters that
you would put on the wall, you could eat like
it was remember like the laminating machine in general. You
know where you'd get like you'd have the poster. But
then if you were like really going all in on
the poster they had that they still have a laminating
machines that those thing I don't did they even exist. Still,
that was a big teacher still use remember that was
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like Staples. But remember yeah, but remember how big of
a deal it was. Like if you got a poster laminated,
it was like, Oh, this thing's gonna last forever now,
like it's not gonna get torn down. Um, and remember
the feeling when you got that poster package in the mail, Oh,
the poster Like Spencer's Gifts. You'd go to the back
and they'd have all those cool posters and like you'd
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flip through them and you'd be like, oh, this is amazing.
When you became a man, you didn't realize and then
you were going through those posters. You were looking at
bands and like a sudden comes bikini and then marijuana
and then all of a sudden, everything's right there for you.
So the kids still and the other thing about this
and that I was saying is we it was it
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was a less cynical age. So you could do a
b like Mike ad campaign and everybody's like, oh, I
want to be like Michael Jordan's. Now, the Internet would
immediately destroy a b like Mike Campaign. They'd be like, yeah,
you're gonna be like Mike. You're gonna be out gambling
all night. You're gonna have mistresses in every town. Your
dad's gonna get killed because you were gambling on basketball games.
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Like the Internet would savage a be like Mike Campaign,
Just like if they try to be like Tom Campaign,
everybody would just laugh it off the planet. Yet, if
you really break down Brady and Jordan, they're very similar, right,
maniacally driven to win championships, not necessarily the greatest teammates,
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um incredibly attractive in terms of you know, like Michael
Jordan's a good looking dude. Tom Brady's obviously insanely good looking.
Michael Jordan's people wanted to be so much like him
that he killed tight shorts. I mean, he just destroyed
the idea that anybody would wear tight, tight shorts except
John Stockton, who he was beating. By the time Jordan's
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career was over, everybody would rip the Stockton shorts, but
the long baggy shorts came out that like, he made
it totally popular. He was so popular fashion wise, and
I don't think this gets enough tension. That he got
black dudes who otherwise had hair to shave their heads bald.
This is maybe the greatest trend that is unbelievable and incomprehensible.
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Michael Jordan's was such a sex and fashion symbol. Think
about this that he turned for black men, male pattern
baldness into the desirable way for people to look. Jordan's
if he had had that Ronaldo back Balkman hair back
in the day, you know where like you've got the
fro slowly receding like Ronaldo back Balkman. Remember that, you
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remember that guy like his hair wash. No, No, who
was the guy with the guy I'm talking about the
nick Shooter, not Balkman, but the uh the blackman. What
was the guy's name? Like, uh, yeah, I think so.
But he had like the half he had like the
half frow slowly receding. Right, if you did that, If
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Michael Jordan had done that, he would have looked ridiculous.
So he's bald ing. And and whereas everybody now like
makes fun of Lebron James because he had the headband
and then he went and got the treatment. So that
he could get his hair or whatever. If you're bald,
you should have hair. If you want to have hair,
if you're rich, go for it. But he made male
pattern baldness designs so desirable that dudes who had perfectly
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good hair shave their head off so they could look
more like, shave their hair off so they could look
more like Michael Jordan's. The most unbelievable thing I've ever seen.
And so Jordan's was beloved, and his team was beloved.
And that's even though there were guys on his team
who weren't likable, like Dennis Rodman did all sorts of
(47:43):
ridiculous stuff, but he got caught almost like Tebow, like
was able to protect everybody else who was on the
floor to gators even though they were doing all sorts
of crazy stuff, because Tebow's personal magnetism was so substantial
that was like Michael Jordan's. He made Scotti pipp In
a top fifty I in the NBA. I'm not sure
whether Scottie Pippen is definitely a top fifty guy. If
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Scottie Pippen we're playing today, would he be an unbelievable
player in the NBA? If you weren't on a great team.
I don't know, maybe, but Jordan's made everybody around him popular.
Two John Paxson, Steve Kerr, Bill Freaking Winnington, Bill Cartwright.
Like all these names, You're like, yeah, I kind of
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like that guy. Yeah, I did kind of like that.
They're not good. Ron Harper, like everybody that surrounded Michael Jordan's.
Jordan's was so popular that they got that fresh glow
of Jordan as well. B j Armstrong. I mean, you
know all these guys that I'm naming that were on
these Bulls teams that would have otherwise been totally anonymous
NBA players that nobody remembers, and everybody was rooting. And
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the question I'm asking on the poll question were you
rooting for Michael Jordan? And it's also up with another
poll question about are you rooting for the Patriots? And
they're completely diametrically opposed. Percent of people were rooting for
Jordan and the Bulls at least of the people are
rooting against the Patriots and Brady another thing that we
were talking about off air, and Pcent agree with this
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is that Jordan was trying to sell shoes and basically
the Bulls became a really good marketing tool, and they
seem to really enjoy being a marketing tool. They enjoyed
being out front. They really did. The Patriots come across
like they wouldn't mind if they played in a completely
empty stadium. They haven't tried, at least until now, now
that Tom Brady has got a book out with TV
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twelve and maybe he's trying to set things up with
this reality show for the rest of his career. He
has never really cared or he's never come out and
tried to embrace people, because he's never tried to sell
us anything. So I think that that makes them harder
to like too, because they've never been a marketing machine
the way that the Bulls were. Now it certainly has
changed with seven Deal and all the things that have
kind of played to the Patriots detriment with spy Gate
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and deflate Gate and all of those things, But in general,
I just think there was one group that relished the spotlight,
and it was a different time in the spotlight was
much different. And now the Patriots seemed like they're above
it and couldn't care less what you think, and they're
just gonna go out there and win football. Games, and
I don't know that that's endearing because Brady doesn't have
that dominant personality that Michael Jordan had. Well, I think
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Jordans benefited from a couple of things. One, not every
Bulls game was really easy to see. Now. I know
they were on w g N and I watched a
ton of those games over the years, but basically nowadays
you can see your favorite athlete play every single time.
There was an element of Michael Jordan's coming to town
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in all these NBA cities where you had to be
there to see it for yourself. I remember they did
a preseason game when I was a kid. I was
probably like eight or nine. I think it was either
maybe the first after the first year that the Bulls
won the UM the title back in I think it was.
They came to town and they played at Vanderbilt. I
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was kid growing up in Nashville, eleven years old, ten
years old, whatever I was, and the Bulls came to
town to play a preseason game and I don't even
remember who they played against, but Michael Jordan was on
the bench, and the Vanderbilt bench was interesting because it's
still you know, it still is on the baselines so
instead of being on the side of the court, it's
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on the baselines. And there was a near brawl over
kids trying to get a towel that Michael Jordan's tossed
over his shoulder that he had used, and everybody went crazy, like, oh,
Mike's a white towel. Oh my god, that's a towel
that Michael Jordan's used. So central to the Jordan's brand
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and so superstar and luminescent was he that if he
tosses a towel over his shoulder, every kid would fight
for it as if it were a relic, like the
Shroud of turn. You know, it's unbelievable. This thing had
touched Michael Jordan's and now we were gonna have it.
And what we're gonna do. You're gonna bring home a
towel and you're gonna be like, this towel that's the
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one that Michael Jordan touched. Yeah, yeah, that's what people
were gonna do, right, I mean, that's what it was,
just a normal white towel that you would use on
the sideline as a basketball player to like dry your
hands or you know, wipe your brow or whatever else.
And people went insane. And the same thing happened, by
the way, when he was playing baseball and I got
to go sit in the right field bleachers to watch
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Michael Jordan play during his absence from basketball, and it
was a total rock star arrival kind of situation. There
aren't many people like that. And and again I come
back to and then the poll is saying, basically sent
people are agreeing with me. Were you rooting for Michael
Jordan and the Bulls to win their sixth title? It's
completely flipped. Now at least seventy people are rooting against
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the Patriots. Now. I think partly again that's because of
the era, because we were not cynical and you could
be sold. I'm gonna be like Mike Gatorade air Jordan's.
It was the beginning of athletes being becoming big brands,
and we were still kind of excited about it. It
was still really fun. You rooted for the athlete and
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for the brand. Whereas now I think there's a cottage
industry of people trying to constantly tear down the athlete.
And look, the Patriots have certainly given a lot of
reasons for people to go after them. Spygate, the Flake Gate. Uh,
the fact that that Bill Belichick is kind of evil
emperor in some respects, the way he wears his hoodie,
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the way he behaves. You made the mention that Phil
Jackson is like this considered I Phil Jackson was considered
like this brilliant Svengali karma. Uh, given out books, this
kind of old aging hippie that everybody liked. The triangle offense.
Everybody was like text winner. Remember back in the day,
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Everybody's like, oh, Phil Jackson, like he's like this this wizard,
you know, this bad asketball wizard. And then Bill Belichick.
And it's not like Phil Jackson said anything that interesting.
He had this deep, gravelly voice. He kind of walked
around like he should have always have a cane. And
it's not like he was particularly you know, like a
lovable guy necessarily, but he was very well received. And
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then Belichick's the opposite. I don't know. I'm gonna ask
my guy Lance Taylor. He'll he'll have a good opinion
on this. I think at the official Lance Taylor he'll
be on with us here. We'll come about the next break.
But also, I don't think I've gone to any of
your calls, but I know a lot of you are
backed up. Um, we'll go back to the phones after
LT and get some more of your opinions on this,
because I do think it's emblematic of the twenty year
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generational change that we've seen. Jordan Drains the jumper, everybody
goes insane cheering for him. This year, Tom Brady going
up against the freaking Jacksonville Jaguars, the least relevant, least known,
least interesting franchise maybe in the entirety of the NFL,
and everybody is rooting for Brady and the Patriots to fail.
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We haven't seen anything that when you consider that's one
of your departure and distance, it is an amazing window
into how sports has changed in American society today. I'm
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my guy Lance Taylor nine five Jocks down in Birmingham
at the Lance Taylor on Twitter LT you were a
big NBA fan back, I know in the Jordan's era
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Bulls teams, and what we've talked about so far to
start the show is an interesting question. Why did in
just about everybody root for the Jordan's era Bulls to
win their sixth title against the Utah Jazz. On my poll,
about seventy percent of people admitting that they were rooting
for Jordan and the Bulls to win, whereas about now
(56:05):
about seventy of people are rooting against the Patriots to
win their sixth title. Is that a function of the
difference in sports in eighteen or how would you distinguish
white people like Jordan's and don't like Brady why they
liked the Bulls and Phil Jackson and don't like Belichick
and the Patriots. I just think there was something about
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Michael Jordan's um And here's the thing, like, it's kind
of weird because I'm on the other side of it,
and I would just grew up a huge Lakers fan,
and maybe because the the time was kind of passed
in that NBA Finals where Michael Jordan kind of dominated
the l A Lakers and Mike and Magic Johnson. I
just was never a bulls guy, and I pulled against him.
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I pulled for the Sonics against him. I pulls the
Jazz against him. It didn't work as much as I
pulled against him. Um. I respect greatness, but I do
get fatigued and look and being right here in the
middle of the sec Um. I see it with Alabama,
and I understand why the rest of the country pulls
against Nick, say, but in Alabama, and uh, it's one
of the reasons I'll be pulling against the New England
Patriots on Sunday. Again. I respect it, but I mean
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it is insane when we're talking about a team in
the NFL and three of the four teams playing this
weekend had losing records last year. But one of those
teams that is playing in the New England Patriots, has
been the seven consecutive conference championship games. Um, that's that's impossible.
It is a remarkable achievement. Do you think that if
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Jordans were playing today, Let's say that like the Patriots
had been the franchise that was going for their sixth
title in and Brady had been that age that Jordan
is and Jordan was playing now and the Bulls were
in the position that they are now. How much less
would people be rooting for Jordan's now, just becauseen is
(57:51):
a lot different than nine, because you say, like a
lot of people love Jordan and everything else. But I
think what would happen today is, first of all, if
Jordan's just disappeared for two years after his dad got killed,
the internet would have been a wash in incredibly details
and conspiracy theories and everything else about the fact that
he was getting suspended from the NBA, which may have
(58:11):
actually happened, but certainly it would have been almost impossible
to cover up a story like that in any kind
of way. Jordan being out gambling all hours every night
would have been on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, The fact that
he got divorced and had all these mistresses all over
the country. He would have gotten Tiger Woods. How much
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less popular would Michael Jordan been than he was. I'm
glad you brought up Tiger Woods because I think that's
the ultimate example of me. Tiger Woods was a guy
that everyone loved, and you know, once the flaws were
shown and we saw some cracks in the foundation everybody
piled on. And I think it's the exact same thing
you would see with Michael Jordan, because you're right, Jordan
had his vices big time. I mean, I think everyone
(58:53):
to would agree has their vices. But Michael Jordan, we
just remember the smile and the Gatorade commercials and Nike
and he was just the all American guy that could
do no wrong. But in today's society, we find out
what is wrong. And that's what's kind of amazing about
Tom Brady. And I know you said this about Lebron
James in the past, um, and I kind of go
back and forth with Lebron. Again, I respect greatness. Sometimes
(59:16):
I like Lebron and sometimes he bothers me because he's
so sensitive. But a guy like Tom Brady and Lebron James,
those guys don't get in any trouble and we really
don't see the vices. I mean Tom Brady, the biggest
vice he's got is his ridiculous diet. Um. Well, he
has the Bridget. Remember he had the kid out of
wedlock with Bridget moynihan. If you want to be really
like aggressive about going after him, right, and then he
(59:36):
ended up with Gazelle. The limitations, what was that a
decade ago? Yeah, as long I was along over that,
I think. But I mean, yeah, look, he asked you this,
if you were Tom Brady, even being married to Giselle,
how much trouble would you get? A Oh, I mean
the fact that he goes to bed every night at
eight o'clock and doesn't eat tomatoes, and like sleeps in
hyperbaric chambers and all this stuff that he does to
try to make sure that he can play football forever.
(59:58):
I mean, I think Giselle said he loved football more
than me, which is, by the way, a pretty incredible
quote to have out there because a lot of wives
would be like not comfortable saying that. But I think
that's true, and and I think you're right, like, by
and large, if you look at Brady and Lebron, what's
the worst thing you can say about either of them?
You can say about Brady? Okay, fifteen years ago he
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had a relationship with I think it was Bridget moynihan,
and he left her and they had a kid together
and they didn't get married, And like, Okay, maybe that's
a little bit scandalous that he ended up with another woman.
I don't even know what the most scandalous thing you
can say about Lebron is. I guess maybe every now
and then he gets busted sliding into girls d M
s on Instagram. Um, I'm trying to think, like obviously,
(01:00:40):
like you said, he's very sensitive to criticism, but by
and large, Lebron and Brady both have many less skeletons
in their closet, at least that we know of. Then
Michael Jordan does, I mean, I think that's fair to say, right, Yeah, no,
there there's no doubt about it. I mean, that is
child's play compared to these stories we've heard about Michael Jorgan,
no doubt, And so I wonder what the vibe would
(01:01:03):
be on Jordan's if he were playing now in eighteen
as opposed to getting away with what he got away
with in And also everything about Jordan we were not
cynical for he was the first for so much, he
was the first athlete to really become a brand, you know,
Air Jordan, Gatorade, McDonald's, like the way that he sold
(01:01:24):
products was new to us, and so we weren't cynical
about them. Like nobody when an Air Jordan came out,
even if it was a crappy air Jordan's, nobody was
able to go on social media and crush it like
they crushed Steph curry shoe right like, because we've been
there and seen the shoes, and so he was the first.
And we weren't cynical about, oh, this is an athlete
(01:01:47):
trying to make money by selling us stuff. We were like, oh,
this new Nike commercial is awesome. Oh look at this
McDonald's commercial where Larry Bird and Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson.
I think it was are having a contest to shoot,
you know, to play whore, right. I mean it was
also fresh and so new, whereas now everybody's having to
push back against that whole idea of an athlete as
(01:02:07):
a brand, you know, if you were one of those
guys though, And I think one of the things is
I think people get upset because they feel like they
get sold a bill of goods with the Tiger Woods
or a Michael. Once you find out and that's a
good point, Like Michael, it's not just that Tiger Woods
cheated on his wife. It said he cheated on his
wife and everybody saw her when he would win a
(01:02:27):
major and come off the golf course and kiss her
and like his kids are there and everything else. Everybody's like, oh,
that's a great all American family, and they feel like
they were sold a bill of goods. I don't ever
remember seeing Michael Jordan's wife anyway in the public, just
like you don't really ever see Peyton Manning's wife, Like,
I mean, how many times have you seen her. I
feel like the Tiger Woods they tried to sell him
(01:02:49):
as the all American family. That might be a little
bit also because golf is the most conservative of all
the sports. So you know, the guy who's the average
golfer making decisions his more conservative than probably the fan
of any other sport would be. See, I would like
to be the athlete that doesn't have any expectation, the
great athlete like Charles Barkley. I mean, when Charles Barkley
would be so much more Yeah, it's a great Barkley
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would be so much more popular now. He was ahead
of his time. And I'll tell you another guy. I mean,
you think about Joe Namath. Back in the day, it
was cool that Joe Namath was hanging out with mobsters
and he had a million girls and you know, he
was doing different things. Uh so, I mean I would
be I would rather be one of those guys that
was already flawed, that was accepted that people actually gravitated
(01:03:32):
towards because they've had kind of a dark side. Yeah. Well,
also the other answer there is just don't get married.
Because Derek Jeter got celebrated for sleeping with everybody who
was famous under the stars. I mean I think they
couldn't do it now because Twitter would lose their mind.
But remember, like a decade ago, ESPN did an entire
baseball field of the hottest girls that Jeter had dated,
and that was actually figure out which I mean, who
(01:03:53):
was your number one on that list? But I'm not
even Mika Kelly was incredible. He dated Jessica Alba, didn't he, Like,
I mean the girl from the girl from Friday Night
Lights whose names escaping me? Minka Kelly, you said, Minka Kelly. Yeah,
I mean, like the the list was. I mean, it
was an incredible list. But it's funny if you're a
(01:04:16):
single guy and you do that, everybody's like, man, Jeter
is awesome. The minute he gets married and gets caught
with any other girl anywhere, then he's the biggest dog
on the planet. Right. It's funny how the rules like
are you know, as long as you're a single guy,
you can get away with anything. Um, but the moment
that you get or divorced for that matter, like even
if you even if you don't stay married, if you
(01:04:37):
get divorced, like everything's fair game. The minute you get
married and get caught, like out to dinner with anybody,
it turned like remember a Rod. A Rod got caught
like just walking down the streets with some girl holding
the hands, and it was like, oh my god, a
Rod's the worst human being ever. Um and uh now
he seems to be making up for it with Jalo,
who doesn't age. But still it's a it's an it's
an incredible kind of dichotomy. There. So, having said all this,
(01:04:59):
the reason we led into this debate is my argument
is the NFL desperately needs the Patriots and Tom Brady
to beat the Jags because otherwise we've got Blake Bortles
against Nick Foles or case Keenum and the NF the
Super Bowl is just gonna be awful. Potentially, Are you
with me that the NFL desperately needs the Patriots Brady
and Belichick in the Super Bowl. Yeah, I think they
(01:05:22):
do obviously for eyeballs. I mean we're talking about Blake Bortles,
a guy that's one less than his games in his career. Um,
So I don't think the Jaguars, I mean, you look
at it, they can't even sell out their venue, um
with with the team that's now in the a f
C Championship game. So yeah, I don't think there's a
lot of people that would be excited about the Jacks
playing in their first ever Super Bowl. Um. I'm caught
(01:05:42):
on the other side again. I've got New England fatigue.
I respect great and Thissen. Maybe it would be better
if New England gets there and the winner of Vikings
Eagles everybody in the world polls for, you know, the
winner of the NFC against New England. Um, I think
that's I think that's the best storyline. But so let
me ask you this, why does everybody hate Blake Bortles? Like,
because we talked about this yesterday on the show and
(01:06:05):
I'm I'm guilty of this too. When I watched Blake
Bortles play, when I was watching them play against the Steelers,
I was rooting for him to throw like four straight
interceptions on four straight passes. I wanted him to blow
up in a negative way. And then after the game,
I was sitting back and I was like, why am
I rooting against Blake Bortles? What has he ever done?
He's never really had any statement, He's never done anything
(01:06:25):
off the field. On the field, He's just kind of
the quintessential mediocre, not very good quarterback in the NFL,
of which there are tons of them. Why has he
become so unlikable? You know, I don't know. It's it's
a great question because if you google his girlfriend, I
think you would respect him immediately, lindsay do I mean
she's got she's got incredible boobs. And as a boobs guy,
(01:06:47):
I mean, I'm a huge fan. I know you're that guy. Um,
but we pulled for the underdog typically in America, and
I mean, this is the ultimate underdog situation right when
you come when you combine Bordles, Keenum and Foals, these
are guys that have got five career postseason touchdowns going
against the guy that is making his thirty six career
postseason start and Tom Brady, I mean Blake Bortles, and
(01:07:10):
I think we discredit what he was able to do
in two thousand and seventeen. Look, there were some ups
and downs, but Clay, the bottom line is he was
four and oh head to head this season against super
Bowl winning quarterbacks, two and oh against Ben Roethlisberger, he
beat Joe Flacco, he beat Russell Wilson. I mean, I
just think we really have discounted his season. And the
Jacksonville defense has been fantastic for that's been really good
(01:07:31):
as a rookie. Um. But yeah, I just don't know
why we hate Bortles and we should be pulling for
the underdog. I mean, this is David vertus Goliath. Yeah,
if this were the n C Double A tournament, everybody
would be rooting for Blake Bortles and he would be
out lovable underdog. But instead national team exactly we saw
eight nine years ago exactly, and it's the same thing. Um,
(01:07:54):
We're Gordon Hayward almost banked in the shot there, which
have been one of the most incredible wins of all time,
you know, as he's coming down the court. Um, But
it would it would be an incredible moment. I think
in general, if for either case, keenum Blake Bortles or
certainly Nick Foles to beat Tom Brady in the Super
Bowl or for Bordles to beat him in the a
f C title game. Yet, I feel like I would
(01:08:16):
hate to see that and and and it is everything
that that we say we like about sports rolled into
one of those three guys. Yet I think most people
are like, yeah, I don't really want to see that. Well,
I think you're a little skewed because I've got a
feeling that you're gonna be laying the seven. I'm all
in on the Patriots. Yeah, yeah, and see, and I'm
an idiot. I mean I should know this before. I mean,
(01:08:36):
Tom Brady's eighteen and three all time at home in
the playoffs, You're playing a Jacksonville team that's playing with
the house money, just getting to an a f C
championship game, And um, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna
be taking the point. Chare I think I'm gonna play
the Jacks. What about the other game, Vikings and the Eagles,
which side do you like? Well? You know I tried
to get a price on Vikings to win the Super
(01:08:56):
Bowl before the New Orleans game. You know I would
have gone completely a um, letting out that game and
I didn't get it before. Um, I've just got a
feel in Minnesota's gonna win this whole thing, and case
Keenom scares me to death. Um, but I just think
their defense is that good. Um. I think it's gonna
be another difficult game, but you know, I just gotta
feeling Nick Foles will implode in this situation. The Vikings
(01:09:17):
defense will win that game. I like the fact that
it's dropped to three by it down to two and
a half. If anybody will ever let you buy off
three again in the NFL. But I kind of like
the Vikings. I like the Jags, and uh, I'm sure
the Patriots will win though, but I think more than
likely we will have a new England Minnesota super Bowl.
Good stuff, my man, We will talk to you. By
the way. What do you think about my guy Jason
(01:09:37):
Martin not making it into work with the quarter inch
of a snow on the ground. Pathetic? You know, we
had one of our producers and we had less than
that where we are and he didn't make it in
a couple of days ago. I guess anybody has an excuse. Um,
I guess in today's you know, soft Society. If anybody
sends out the email, hey, look, use good judgments. Um,
(01:09:58):
if you don't think you can make it in, I
think that a free pass for a lot of people
out there, no doubt at all. Lands Taylor go follow
him on Twitter at the Lance Taylor You can listen
to him. Five jocks down in Birmingham. Good stuff, man.
Let's bring in neddie Garc I find out what's shaking
the world sports. Alright, clear, Let's start in the NFL
where Patriots start quarterback Tom Brady did not practice Thursday
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because that hand injury suffered Wednesday in practice. The next
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expected to play against the Jaguars, and we'll see if
his performances affected at all by that hand injury. And
the NBA Rockets stop the Timberwolves. One sixteen ninety eight
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earlier this week, Jason Martin did not come into work
on Tuesday because he said there was too much snow
and his windshield was opaque. Completely opaque, I believe was
his description um And as a result, we have tried him.
On Wednesday, we had a jury trial and the jury
of OutKick listeners have sentenced him to guilt. And then
(01:12:51):
uh a decision had to be made about what his
punishment would be, and uh I said that he has
to watch Sports Center six, the wocust show in the
history of ESPN with Jamal Hill and Michael Smith. And
so to the Music Boys, a woke report every single
morning from the six pm Sports Center with Chabelle Hill
(01:13:13):
and Michael Smith. Okay, so this is one day in
and I think they say your first couple of weeks
in jail are the worst, and I certainly hope so,
because this was not a very good television show. The
problem is this woke port has a problem, has an issue,
(01:13:36):
and that it really wasn't very woke. It was just
not good television. They talked about Tom Brady's hand, They
talked about Lebron James and the Cavalier struggles. They talked
about the NFL Draft. They brought on Michael B. Jordan
for an interview by Black Panther. They also had Chadwick Boseman,
who's actually playing the title character earlier this week. Michael
Smith referred to it as, quote, we're chopping it up
(01:13:58):
with Michael B. Jordan's coming up unquote. It was just
a never ending parade for an hour of on site
field Report, split screen. They had the guys who's starring
in Black Panther on to talk during the six o'clock
Sports Center, So they're basically just using this six o'clock
Port Center now is an advertisement for Marvel movies. Uh yeah,
but I mean I think they do that pretty regularly,
(01:14:19):
and they even did it before SC six. They would
have stars on. I don't know if Michael B. Jordan
was all over ESPN doing the car wash yesterday or not,
but they've had two stars of that movie on this week,
so clearly it's in their best I have never watched
this show, but it is. I've been told the worst
show that ESPN has ever done. Was it a bad show?
It was terrible? Uh? Like I said. Split screen interviews
(01:14:41):
from all four NFL practices, all the NBA arenas with
people you know, you know, some of those field reporters,
you don't know, others. It's not particularly interesting. Neither one
is particularly good at asking questions. They have Mel Kuiper
in studio with an early mock where he made news
yesterday and it was all over ESPN. It's saying that
the Browns are gonna take Josh Allen one, that he's
by far the best quarterback that's coming out. That became
(01:15:03):
a huge story, and that kind of makes me think
it's a not legitimate. It's badly lit. It was focused
on being different rather than being good. Look, there are
two smart people's, but neither one as a host. Jamal
stumbled through questions a few times. Neither drove the bus
that was dead air. They didn't know when to start talking.
There were odd camera cuts. One caught Jamal in the
middle of her laptop during an interview, not looking at
(01:15:25):
the camera, not paying attention to the guest. There were
shots that were actually out of focus that snapped into
focus when they realized the zoom was off. And it
wasn't some artistic move. It was this camera's in the
wrong spot when we cut to it, which is incredible.
Michael B. Jordan was put on the screen and they
were talking about him right before they put him on.
In the next segment they were previewing it. He was
(01:15:47):
on Twitter on his phone, not even looking at him,
and they were screaming at him, Hey, look up, look up,
like on the screen. He didn't know they were previewing
the interview with him. Nobody cued him into that. He
figured it out about two seconds before they went to break,
Jamal Hill discuss the six to ten picks in Mel's
mock draft, while the graphic on screen only showed one
through five, so a total mismatch of information. She didn't
(01:16:10):
even run down one through five. She immediately said let's
talk about six through ten when that wasn't on the screen,
and then she would say things that were very analytical,
like there's some big interesting names here. So again they
had problems filling air that wasn't word for word on
the script. And then in their final segment they do
what's called in It's a good Day deal, and they
used that yesterday to congratulate Antoinette Harris, who was offered
(01:16:33):
a scholarship by Bethany College and in a I A school,
she becomes the first woman to earn a scholarship to
play football. That's not a kicker, she's a free safety.
I actually thought cool. I hope she's good. It means
people are gonna pay attention to Bethany College on ESPN
this coming year. But they congratulated her to end. Here's
the overall thought from day one, this show sucks. It
(01:16:55):
feels like it should be on at midnight because it's
so desperately wants to be cutting edge, but it in
the six pm time slot where you really just need
a good host. They can ask these guests that are
on screen for two or three minutes good questions. It
tries to move relatively fast, but it's terrible because it's
awkward and neither one of them is in the role
that they should be in. There is your woke port
(01:17:17):
for this Friday. Only twenty nine more days. It's gonna
be a lot of fun for you. Although I do
think there's a possibility this show is gonna get canceled
right after the super Bowl. That's what I've been told.
Not sure that's gonna happen, and they might phrase it
as we're moving people to new spots. But I'm told
that's a decent chance it's gonna get canceled right after
the super Bowl. It could save you. Jason Martin, I
am Clay Travis Our two in the books, Our three.
(01:17:38):
We're gonna talk with Casey Smith up in Boston get
ready for the Patriots against the Jags, and we talked
to her every single Friday. We will talk to her
about Brady, We'll talk to her about whether or not
the Patriots run is going to continue, but up next
I'll continue to make the point that I'm the most
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Been an eventful week. Always want to encourage you to
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half hour. You can come hang out and yesterday's lead
on out Kick the Show. I think it's pretty entertaining. Alabama,
the University of Alabama is threatening to sue me. They're
threatening to sue me because you know we've done for
a while. If you follow me on Twitter, you know
this past couple of years, I started selling a Loha
Bitches T shirt words uh in honor of Marcus Mariota
(01:19:03):
throwing touchdown passes. It's kind of a nonsensical phrase to
celebrate when Marcus Mariota would throw a touchdown pass for
the Tennessee Titans. Well, Tua obviously came in and one
Alabama the national championship with a sterling second half performance,
free through three touchdown passes, including a walk off forty
one yard er uh to uh to win the national
(01:19:25):
title for Alabama. So a lot of Alabama fans came
on and said, hey, we would like our own version
of the Aloha Bitches T shirt in honor of Tua,
just like the ones you make for Marcus Mariota. So
I said, okay, let's do that. I said, let's do
a crimson and white Aloha Bitches T shirt, and we'll
make an A that's cursive, because Alabama has a cursive
(01:19:48):
A much like Frankly, Arkansas has a cursive A and
the Atlanta Braves have a cursive A for the first
A of their name. So we put that shirt up
for sale and the unit Versity of Alabama sent me
a letter from their lawyers threatening to sue me. So
I have my response up on out kick and I
(01:20:08):
guarantee that you will absolutely love it. I want to
bring in the crew. I haven't asked them about this yet,
but Jason Martin, are you surprised the University of Alabama
is trying to sue me? Why are they trying to
sue you? Again? Lay that back out one more time
because of the cursive a. Because there is a cursive
A on the Aloha Bitches t shirt and they're trying
(01:20:29):
to argue the script it's similar to the Alabama cursive a.
It's not, Isn't it crazy? Something like if you were
advising Alabama, would you tell them to try to sue
Probably the guy with the biggest audience in your entire
footprint of the SEC in terms of writing, And I mean, like,
(01:20:49):
if who's gonna win this debate, they can sue me.
You're gonna kill I mean, you're gonna kill him, and
so is your army, Like your army is gonna annihilate
and like there's no possible win for them to come
after you for the script A. It's like, I know
that you know you've kind of gone against Alabama fans.
You wrote that column that some people will never forget
in either Lexington or Tuscaloosa when you wrote about the
ten most hated fan bases. Base tell my fan base
(01:21:12):
is sorry, I need to make sure I got that correct.
But the script A thing is a total lose for Alabama.
They don't need that kind of publicity because pretty much
nobody's gonna come out against you for that. They're gonna
see it as petty on Alabama side and everybody that's
on your side it is just gonna absolutely blitz creek
them on social media and elsewhere. To me, this is
(01:21:32):
a huge mistake by the university. Funny too, because it's
the best advertising I could possibly get. You know, we
sell a lot of OutKick shirts and you can go
to OutKick dot com and click on the store there.
But we sold hundreds of these shirts just since Alabama
has complained about me selling the Aloha Bitches t shirts.
So if you want to to see this story, it's
(01:21:53):
pretty outstanding. Um, We've been talking a lot and in
my response, I think you'll be entertained if you think that.
Often times companies and businesses overreach and make illogical and
dumb decisions. What Alabama sent me I put it. I
posted the letter that they sent me on OutKick dot
com as well as my official response to them. Um
(01:22:15):
and uh, I think you guys will be entertained by
that if you want to to go check it out.
Also think wait, wait, wait, the A doesn't look anything
like they're a like the Aloha Bitches A on your
shirt looks nothing like the script A from the University
of Alabama? Are they also suing for getting Sarah Marshall
who used Aloha Bitches in a movie like fourteen years ago?
Like who exactly? Like that's absurd, Like I can't believe this. Actually, yeah,
(01:22:39):
it's really very funny now, Uh it is. Uh, It's
just I continue to say I've said this for a
long time. Everybody's talking about like, oh, we need a
diversity coordinator, like all this stuff. What every company really
needs is just a common sense expert, like a guy
or girl. And if you work at a big company
or a big institution where all you do is they
(01:23:01):
bring you questions and They're like, what should we do here?
How should we respond to this? And I've been making
this argument for a couple of years, but it's like
every year becomes more necessary. When ESPN decided they were
gonna pull the Asian announcer named Robert Lee off of
the University of Virginia game to avoid confusion over between him,
the Asian football announcer, and the former Confederate General, the
(01:23:23):
common sense adviser would have set down and said, Ah,
you know what, I don't really think that there are
that many people who are gonna get the two guys
mixed up. I don't I don't think you need to
worry about this. And when the University of Alabama said, Hey,
this guy, Clay Travis, who's got millions of people who
read his website and listen to his radio show, he's
selling in a Loha Bitches T shirt because Ta came
(01:23:44):
in and played really well. And he's been doing the
same thing for Marcus Mariota and he's got a cursive
A on his shirt. Should we sue him or threatened
to sue him and send him an email and like
demand that he do something. Uh, the common sense guy
would have been like, no, just leave Clay Travis alone.
And frankly, maybe the common sense This guy wanted the
ESPN because I thought when we started selling our ms
E ESPN shirts, I thought they might try to sume me,
(01:24:06):
which would have been great for it. Maybe they still will,
because I'm obviously partying and ridiculing espn um in those shirts.
But so far they haven't tried to sue me over it,
so so maybe that's a small thie. They did hire
a common sense guy. I saw the red shirt. I
see the red shirt now, Yeah, I thought I was
looking at the original shirt. This one is very much
an Alabama inspired shirt. It is a script A and
(01:24:27):
it does have the trophy there on it. I just
think you gotta leave this alone. Like, who cares. You're
making a boatload of money at the University of Alabama
this shirt. I don't know. I just think that you
should have bigger fishes to fry than sitting around trying
to find small, little petty lawsuits like this. They're gonna
end up blowing up in your face. Here's another thing,
Like we're obviously talking a lot about the Brady versus
(01:24:48):
Jordan and you can go download the podcast and listen
to all that, and we'll talk some with Casey here
in a minute about the a f C and the NFC.
And by the way, I'm gonna give you my gambling picks,
which haven't been great, but I'm due for an upturn
here in the NFL playoffs. I give that to you
in the final segment of our of our three here
not too long away. Did you see the controversy that's
come from alleged controversy from the decision to put Kid
(01:25:10):
Rock in as the performer at the NHL All Star Game. Um, now,
this is I think evidence of how the media can
choose stories that they want to make into controversies and
use social media as evidence of that even when it
isn't really the truth. There's that one of the top
(01:25:31):
headlines on ESPN this morning, and I start off, people
say like, how do you decide what you're gonna talk about?
I have my ideas about what we're gonna talk about,
and then I go to like three different websites and
just make sure that I'm not missing one of the
top stories. And so this morning I went around, I'm like,
there's a controversy over Kid Rock, really, and so I
pull up the article and the headline is NHL aware
of backlash over Kid Rock performing at All Star Game,
(01:25:55):
standing by decision, And here's the opening of the article.
The National Hockey League said Thursday it's aware of the
backlash over Kid Rock performing at the two thousand eighteen
All Star Game in Tampa, saying the decision to hire
him was quote purely based on his entertainment value and
history as a hockey fan. Now here's my here's my
problem with stories like these in a social media era.
(01:26:19):
There is literally a backlash to every decision that has
made on any issue. If you want to go find
somebody who disagrees with the decision by anybody. My favorite
is a logos. There hasn't been a new logo design
for in sports team that hasn't been crushed immediately on
(01:26:39):
social media within four minutes of it being released in
the last six years. Doesn't matter what the logo looks like.
Everybody ridicules that we mentioned earlier, like Steph Curry shoes,
the difference between Air Jordan's and Steph curry shoes. Steph
Curry has a new shoe come out and everybody just
decides that they're gonna destroy it like there's no middle ground,
(01:26:59):
So every single decision that is made is immediately criticized
by someone on social media. That doesn't mean that there
is quote a backlash. It certainly doesn't mean that there
is a huge response of negativity associated with it. There
has literally not been a decision made like this in
(01:27:20):
a decade with the rise of social media that hasn't
been criticized. So this is one of the top stories
on ESPN. And then the second paragraph says, the forty
seven year old singer has drawn attention in the last
year for endorsing President Donald Trump. All right, half of
the nation voted for Donald Trump. How is that remotely controversial? Right?
(01:27:41):
I mean, you may not like Donald Trump, but the
fact that Kid Rock endorsed to Donald Trump is not controversial.
I mean half of the nation voted for him. That's
not a controversial decision. His history of displaying Confederate flags
at concerts, again, how is that controversial? The guy sings
for were a Southern audience and has has constantly branded
(01:28:04):
himself as a rebel, and the Confederate flag connects with
the rebel fan base. I don't see how that's remotely controversial.
Criticism of NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick's protests during the national anthem.
I mean, the vast majority of NFL fans disagree with
Colin Kaepernick's protest. It's why millions of viewers, I believe,
(01:28:25):
are not watching the NFL. And if you disagree with
Colin Kaepernick's protest, why is that anymore controversial than agreeing
with Colin Kaepernick's protest and anti transgender comments made during
a concert. Is it really that controversial to believe that
boys should be boys and girls should be girls? Is
(01:28:48):
that now a controversial comment. I'm in favor of people
being able to do whatever makes them happy. Right If
if you're a boy and it makes you more happy
to be a girl, do it whatever. Right if you're
a girl it makes you more happy to be a boy, whatever.
I really don't care what gender you are. That's my
position on this in general. If you are a consenting
adult and you want to do something that makes you
more happy, whether it's smoke, weed, gamble on sports, higher prostitute,
(01:29:12):
or become a guy or a girl the opposite of
whatever you are, go do it right. I don't care.
I'm not gonna spend my time worrying about it. But
how are any of these any of these situations actually controversial?
Like why is it a big deal that that that
Kid Rock supports Donald Trump? Why is it a big
deal that a guy who makes his entire living off
(01:29:35):
being a rebel would have a Confederate flag behind his
stage sometimes when he's playing. Why would criticizing Colin Kaepernick
and then having an opinion that, like anti transgender, his
opinion is actually just people who are their gender should
stay their gender. I like, are those controversial opinions? Like
this is when I say that there's an agenda in
(01:29:57):
sports media, the way that sports get covered and the
unnecessary politicization of sports. If you don't like Kid Rock, fine,
the average NHL fan does. The idea that there's some
massive backlash because of Kid rocks political opinions and he
shouldn't be able to show up and perform is to
(01:30:17):
me as ridiculous as saying that a guy who doesn't
like Donald Trump should not be able to show up
and perform. Either. By the way, you don't ever see
that story. You don't ever see that story of the
ESPN so and so who has said that Donald Trump
is a racist is facing a backlash online to his
selection as insert performer here. Well, that's because ESPN has
(01:30:40):
an agenda. I am I crazy here, Jason Martin? Or
is this totally an example of an agenda driven journalism
turning a story that really isn't that much of a
story at all into a sports and politics mixed story.
I mean yeah, I mean obviously it is. It's not
just ESPN, it's everywhere. It's CBS to s A Today,
and it's all basically the same story. Sporting News just
(01:31:02):
updated their piece ten minutes ago and basically rewrote the
ESPN story. I don't have any problem with Kaepernick, with
saying bleep Colin Kaepernick, like he's done, or the Donald
Trump part. I mean, you can support whoever did you
want to support. But I don't even understand how controversial
flag is controversial, Like there's no question but doing that
for twenty years. So what I mean, so you shouldn't
(01:31:23):
so wait, you shouldn't be able to perform at the
NHL All Star Game because at your concert you have
the Confederate flag in your concert. I'm not saying you
shouldn't know what I'm saying, but I understand why that
would cause backlash. But that but that the thing is,
there's backlash to everything. This is a fake news story
because you can literally choose any decision that's been made
(01:31:45):
by a public entity in the last decade of social media.
You can go on Twitter and find somebody who's like,
I don't think that should be allowed. Like literally every
single decision. There's backlash to this show every single day,
every single doesn't matter what I come on and say.
If you want to write a story saying Clay Travis
is controversial, there was immediate backlash to his comments when
(01:32:08):
he said X, Y or Z. Right now, if I
go into my mentions, there's somebody saying, oh my god,
you can't say that. Every single day, every single commercial break,
if I check my Twitter feed, there is somebody who
is backlash to what I have said. That's not a
story to me, that's not a story. That's an agenda
(01:32:28):
driven story. Now, if your opinion is that kid Rock
shouldn't be selected because of things that he has done,
that's certainly valid. You could come on, like if this
guy wanted to write a story at ESPN dot com
or Sporting News or The Washington Post or The New
York Times, any of these places. If they want to
(01:32:50):
write a story and say, I personally don't believe that
Kid Rock should have been chosen as the NHL singer
you know, performer at their All Star Game because of X,
Y and Z. That's totally fine. Again, there's a difference
between opinion and news to me still, and news opinion
(01:33:12):
is I have it his opinion. He shouldn't be able
to do this. Treating this as a news story is
not right because it's artificial. It is choosing to use
your political agenda. This guy doesn't think Kid Rock should
have been picked, and so he's gonna pick cherry pick
six or seven people on social media and be like,
(01:33:33):
oh my god, there's a backlash. I need to get
a comment from the NHL on this backlash against Kid
Rock performing. And then you are manufacturing news to support
your opinion. Again, if you want to have the balls
to go out there and say I don't think Kid
Rock should be the choice because of things that he said,
that's your opinion. I think you're a total pussy willow.
(01:33:55):
But you have the right to do that. But even
more of a pussy willow move is to use somebody
on Twitter who isn't even a real person potentially, or
is just anonymous as a source to justify your opinion
that there is a massive backlash against kid Rock. That's
how fake news stories get written. And the entire part
(01:34:15):
of this up at the top where you're like, oh,
he's made He's drawn a lot of controversy for his opinions,
Like you're just making up a story and then picking
things that aren't even that controversial, Like why is that controversial?
He supported Donald Trump for president? Okay? Like is that
a big deal? Is that unbelievable that half the country
(01:34:36):
which did that is gonna be willing to do that
that this guy has been doing for twenty years, had
the Confederate flag at his concerts because he's a rebel
with a cause. That's literally what he calls himself. Is
it also crazy that he would have an opinion about
Colin Kaepernick and think he's full of crap? Like all
(01:34:58):
of those opinions you could have the other side on
very easily, And I don't think any of those opinions
would remotely justify you not being able to show up
and play a sports concert. I just think it's crazy.
I think it's evidence again of agenda driven sports writing.
And you've got to be aggressive and smart and read
this stuff and be like, oh, that's crap. Have whatever
(01:35:20):
opinion you want, but don't try and classify this as
a news story in order for you to advance your
left wing agenda that doesn't like Donald Trump, that thinks
Colin Kaepernick as a hero, and that thinks that everybody
who flies the Confederate flag should immediately go to prison.
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Go follow her on Twitter. Casey, You're back in Texas.
But it's also frigid in Texas. Can you escape the
(01:37:33):
cold this winter? No? I brought it down here with
me and all my flights got canceled earlier in the
week because of this ice storm. And I looked outside
and it was funny and really pretty, and I was like,
wait a minute, I've only been in New England for
almost a year now and I'm already a snow elders.
I can't believe these people have shut down the state.
So I thought about attitude about it. But it still
is cold, So I guess it's following me everywhere. What
(01:37:55):
do you think now that you live in Boston and
you're like a cocky snow person about Jason Martin not
coming to work over a quarter inch of snow? I see,
this is the thing. It's like last year, I would
have been like, hey, if I would say, I wouldn't
done it either. But a couple of weeks ago and
we had the bombs Icon in Boston, but we had
like twelve inches of snow and the entire place seemed
like it was shut down. I still had to go
(01:38:16):
to work, I still had to do three hours of
TV that night. I didn't personally drive. I got a
ride but I feel like I had to do it
when it was a frozen hurricane and box and everybody
should have to do it. So sorry, Jason, I can't
be on your side on that one. Have you had
any dangerous driving in the snow issues where like you've
spun out or you've hit ice, or you've had like
any I can't believe that I'm doing this. I should
stay in Texas moments. I had the first the first
(01:38:39):
time I tried to drive and snow and it was
maybe not even an inch and I couldn't see anything.
I'm never doing this again, like I'm never doing it.
I'm gonna have my guy friends that I worked with
drive me because I'm gonna kill myself or kill somebody else.
So I just looked used to get behind the wheels
so as that happened. So I don't blame anybody that
I don't want to drive. But I also drive a
tiny little like your world drive car, and I'm from Texas,
(01:39:02):
so I'm just from flat out and not good on
the road, and nobody wants me on the road. So
I just I hit a tree yesterday, so yeah, I
mean not a big tree, and I wasn't going that fast,
So I mean I probably did a few thousand dollars. Yeah,
still hit a tree, I mean because of the ice,
Like I slid right into a tree trying to drive
in my neighborhood because of the same reason you say,
(01:39:23):
because I got a rear world drive vehicle, my wife's
Lincoln Navigator, like a big SUV, just slowly sliding across
the road into a tree. All right, So when that happened, Um,
it was obviously connected to in my mind, Jason Martin
not showing up for work because I ridiculed him for
not driving in the snow, in the ice, And so
we got into a big debate. If you die in
(01:39:46):
an ironic indoor funny way, how long is it until
you can make fun of that person and the fact
that they died in an ironic or funny way. Well,
I mean I think that it depends on how long
you know the person, because how that happened to you,
you and like the karma things played into it, Like
I would expect Jason to be talking about it pretty soon,
I mean obviously more in the depth, and you're really sad,
(01:40:06):
but like that's just the ultimate ironic karma. So I'm Okay,
it's probably earlier than other people, But then there are
people out there that are too sensitive about that. No
matter what, you can never make fun of people that die.
So I think I'm probably on the non PC angle
of that, because if that would have happened to you,
I would have been very sad, but the storyline would
have been fantastic. Yeah, I think so. And then I
(01:40:28):
was thinking, also, if Jason died in a car accident
driving to work the next day because of snow and ice,
because I ridiculed him for not coming to work, how
would I address it live on the air. I think
I would just have to point out, man, I would
miss this tough situation. But man, what can you imagine
the irony that I get this guy killed? Like, I
don't know how you handle it, But I said on
(01:40:50):
the show, and I continue to reinforce on the show
if I die in a ridiculous manner. And the guy
I keep using as an example is the guy who
invented the segue and then he drove off the side
of a cliff on him. Now functioning segue like that
should be fair game for everybody to respond to and
react to. Right, Oh, completely, Now that would be a
whole lot. Like, I think it's a tougher situation. If
(01:41:10):
Jason went to die because you ridicule them for not
coming into work, like that would be tough for you.
But if it was the opposite way, then yeah, I
think you can make fun of it because it's like
you made fun of somebody and then you were the
one that actually died. So this is like a really
more good conversation I didn't expect on a Friday morning,
But here we are. Here we are indeed, Well, that's
because everybody else's season is over. You cover the Patriots,
(01:41:31):
and the Patriots are gonna win their sixth Super Bowl
and they're gonna destroy Blake Bortles and the Jags. I
have zero doubt. How confident are you that the Patriots
are going to be in the Super Bowl. I'm really confident.
And I think that even before we knew that it
was going to be the Jags, that I feel is
free confident if it was going to be the Steelers.
I thought the drama would be better if the Steelers
were in the game, just because of the way these
(01:41:52):
two teams game match up and and just who the
Steelers are. But once you saw it Blake World, and
I think it's it's pretty easy to say, like even
though that defense and Jacksonville has been incredibly good all year,
it's still good at a lot of points recently. And
then it's like Bortles, like, I don't mean to take
anything away from the guy, and he didn't frest me
last week, and I talked a lot of crap about
him on TV and the week's leading up to it,
(01:42:12):
but he did some things like Okay, he's not near
as garbage as we think that maybe he was. Because
there's no way that these teams can come into Fox
Throw and be Tom Brady the Patriots unless for some
reason Tom Brady is hurt and it's more than we
see now. But I just I don't see any chance
of it. Makes it dupic. It's going to be the Patriots,
no question. You just mentioned you hated and made fun
(01:42:32):
of Blake Bortles. Why does everybody hate Blake Bortles. I
was talking about this yesterday on the show. When you
actually break him down, he didn't go to a famous college. Uh,
he has not really ever said or done anything off
the field in any way that has drawn attention to
himself either positive or negative. He might be like the
most middle of the road imaginable guy. So why does
(01:42:55):
everybody hate him? I don't know. That's a really good question.
I don't know why. I don't ever Reman, we're having
any negative feelings about him until this year. And now
that might be because I moved to Boxton and started
covering the Patriots, and if it's anybody else went the Patriots,
he probably automatically hates them in New England. But I
don't know. He didn't make the comment in the preseason
about the time zone difference between Florida and Massachusetts, which
(01:43:17):
I kind of had a problem with, like, bro, how
do you not know you're an NFL quarterback? Like that
said poorly with me. And then you know, a couple
of weeks ago when he kind of compared himself to
having Lebron James f s haters, he just starts things
are like okay, man, Like no, but you're right, he's
not done anything. He had a smoke show girlfriend in college.
I just fell in love with girl. Crush wise, he's
(01:43:38):
good looking guy and he's he's not horrible, So you're right,
like I think that it's like unnecessary eight But Yeah,
he's just not very good and compared to a lot
of the quarterbacks. But maybe it's unnecessary. Maybe I should
work on that. How desperately does the NFL need the
Patriots in the Super Bowl? If we had a lake
Boardles versus Nick Foles or a Blake Boardles versus Case
Keenom Super Bowl, how much would that hurt the NFL?
(01:44:02):
I would think it would be massive. And I don't
know gambling numbers, and I feel like that if the
Patriots weren't in it, people would still gamble, But I
don't think that it would be near agig. I mean,
obviously the NFL doesn't goal with that, but the fact is,
like the viewership and people love to hate the Patriots.
It's just like Alabama for college football, like they want
to have somebody to root against and have a villain.
And I mean, are you really going to be that
(01:44:23):
upset about Blake Portals in the Super Bowl? I just don't.
I don't think that anybody would really care that much,
And especially because Tom Brady has been the storyline for
the past I mean forever, but the past couple of
weeks of if Heat is villain inside Fox Brow, what's
really going on. I think that the storyline alone is
worth it. In the NFL doesn't have the Patriots, I
think there is gonna be a lots of viewership because
(01:44:44):
I don't think the interest is there. So people want
to hate the Patriots, but they need the Patriots, There's
no doubt. Yeah, I mean, it really is the case,
because I feel like they are the straw that starves
the proverbial drink in terms of giving people an interest level.
And if you had case Keenum or Nick fole As
against Blake Bortles, I think most people would be like, yeah,
I really don't care what the outcome is. And at
(01:45:05):
least Brady and the Patriots, you either root for them
or against them, and you feel like you've been involved
in their story for twenty years. Is Brady again US
win six Super Bowl? He's over forty years old. Now
what's the drama situation with Bill Belichick? If they're not there,
I just don't know what the storylines are. Yeah, I mean,
obviously people are going to do the whole Super Bowl
(01:45:25):
watch party thing and they're gonna, you know, drink and
eat and all that, and I think paying attention to
the actual game itself You're absolutely right. You have to
have the Patriots and their storylines in it. And I
think that the older Tom Brady gets even more important
is because you have no idea if this could be
the last time Tom Brady is playing Youstri Bowl, if
this could be the last season. All three of those
guys are together in Foxborrow with robot Craft and Belichick
(01:45:48):
and Brady. So I think that that even more so
furthers the storyline. But even the day, if it is
the young quarterbacks, that's an interesting storyline. I can't believe
these the other three quarterbacks in the playoffs left. I mean,
it's know baffles me that he's got Kase king Um
like Blurtles and Nick Foles going up against Tom Brady.
Like that's asinine to me, And there's no way anybody
(01:46:08):
predicted that to happen. So I guess it could be interesting,
but you have to not Tom Brady. I'm bias becose
I want to go to the Super Bowl. But at
the same time, I think it's given to the league
no matter what. You're in Texas right now, and you
went to Texas A and m Um and Kevin someone
who is the former coach of the Egg he's just
got hired by Arizona. How do you think he'll do there.
I think he'll do really well. It looks he's a
good coach. You've spent a lot of time with him.
(01:46:29):
I've spent a lot of time with them. It just
didn't work at A and M for whatever reason. But
I don't look at him and say, Okay, he's a
crappy coach. When he coaches in the Power of five.
It just didn't work out. So I wish him the
best of luck. I think he'll be much better at
Arizona than A and M. But that's to be seen.
I mean, coaching in the SEC, especially when you're coaching
in the same division as Nick Shavans, never going to
be easy. But he still wasn't horrible in College station.
(01:46:52):
People just acted like you was. So I think he'll
be a good coach, and I'm glad he landed somewhere
like Arizona, where I think that the expectations aren't near
as high is in the SEC. But I could be wrong.
He's answered delusional, Clay. You know that they thought he
was horrible. At the end of the day, he really wasn't.
He just couldn't get it done against the SEC. All right,
So when the game is going on Sunday and the
(01:47:12):
Patriots are playing against the Jags, your job is you
cover the Boston sports on your show for three hours
every night. You break it down how and you're supposed
to be objective and everything else. But it's infinitely better
for you if the Patriots are in the super Bowl.
You get to travel to the super Bowl. You guys
have a lot more topics, uh, instead of having to
immediately pivot and start to talk about the n b A.
(01:47:35):
How aggressively in your mind, are you rooting for the
Patriots solely for the storyline of being able to go
cover them? Oh, I'm so unashamed why It's like it
is so aggressive, how badly I want the Patriots to win.
And I mean, at the end of the day, like
it's good for storelines when they continue to win. It's
also good for store lines when they lose, because then
(01:47:55):
you can just hate on them for whatever decisions that
they made. But I just want to go to the
super Bowl. And again, my NFL fan line says the
Super Bowl would be way more fun regardless as I
get to hear or not the Patriots during it, So
I won't be watching this year's games in a hot
stuff like I did last year. I know that was
a big topic on this show. I'll actually have to
be paying attention because we'll go on air. We have
a special episode of our show on Sunday night after
(01:48:18):
the NFC Championship game. But I'll still be in my head.
I'll be in a hot time somewhere with a cold
beer rooting for the Patriots, which is something I never
thought that I would say, But here we are. So
now that the Patriots have won a game in the playoffs,
how much time did you guys spend talking about the
continued future of Bill Belichick? Or did that story almost
immediately disappear the moment they want to playoff games. It
(01:48:39):
disappear a lot more obviously than it would have if
they would have watch There's still that question of are
they just kind of putting it all together right now?
Cooler had prevailing to get another Super Bowl win and
then will it all enflode? So there's still kind of
that thought process of what's really going on. But I mean,
anybody who knows the New England Patriots and anybody who
watching the NFL that that They handle distractions that are
(01:49:02):
than any other team does in the league, and they
have for two decades on us. So whether it's five
days of late day, whatever it is, every time that
this happens, there's gonna be some sort of fallout. But
they're gonna keep winning. I believe they're gonna keep winning.
So that's the whole storyline. But it also makes it
a lot harder to dive deep into that. When they're
playing the Titans and then the Jags, it's like, what
else is there to talk about? These teams don't even
(01:49:24):
match up on paper, So it disappeared a little bit,
But I still think it's in the back that everybody's head.
Just it is different because it's coming from within as
opposed to outside sources saying that the Patriots are doing
something wrong. Is Tom Brady actually hated in the locker room?
I don't think that story is doing anywhere anytime. Too
outstanding stuff. As always, Casey, have fund out in Texas.
We'll see you back up in Boston by the weekend,
(01:49:45):
and good luck to the Patriots in your Super Bowl trip.
Than that's Casey Smith k y C. E. Smith on Twitter.
Go follow her there and thank her for coming on
the show. Here, good Friday morning interview. Now let's find
out what's shaken in the world of sports and beyond
with my guy Eddie Garcia. What's up Eddie? All right, Claire,
let's start in the NFL, whereas you were talking about
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the Patriots start quarterback Tom Brady didn't practice on Thursday
because of that hand injury suffered in practice the day before.
The X ray is on the throwing head were negative.
He is expected to play against the jack Wards, but
will his play be affected by that hand. Ram's head
coach Sean McVeigh was selected as Coach of the Year
by the Pro Football Writers of America. That was his
first season as an NFL head coach. In McVeigh is
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coach of the Year. In the NBA, Rockets beat the
Timberwolves one, sixteen to ninety eight. James Harden, back in
action after it was in seven games due to injury,
had ten points and seven assists in twenty six minutes
for Houston. Kyrie Irving did not play for the Celtics
and they lose at home in the seventies six ers.
He was out of the shoulder injury and the Cavaliers
gonna win over the Magic one oh four, one oh
three with a squeak by an Orlando team that is
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the most losses in the NBA and clay in college football,
your boy, Lane kiffins looking for a new starting quarterback.
Florida Atlantic starter Jason Driscoll announced he's retiring from football
despite having a year of eligibility remaining. He's gonna graduate
it with a civil engineering degree. He was the offensive
m VP of the book Raton Bowl pass for over
two thousand yards, fifteen touchdown passes and eight rushing touchdowns,
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But apparently he's had enough football. Good for him going
out on his own terms eleven and three. Hell of
a way to go out, winning the bowl game undefeated
in Conference US. A great season for him to finish
his career, A great year for Lane Kiffin. Final segment
of the show. Up next, I'll give you my gambling
picks for the a f C and the NFC title game.
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Will also touch back in with the poll results up
on Twitter. Are you rooting for the Patriots? And in conjunction,
we've been talking a lot about this, I think twenty
years later, did you also root for Michael Jordan when
he went for his sixth title, or not Brady versus
Jordan in the way you have responded interesting in the
poll question. To be sure. That's the final segment. Outkicked
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I'm fascinated by the twenty year trajectory in sports as
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we think about, at least to me, the vibe on
Michael Jordan's as he prepared for Game seven of the
Eastern Conference Finals against the Indiana Indiana Pacers back in
the day. Was the vast majority of the country, I
believe was reading rooting for Jordan to advance to the
finals and go on and win his sixth title. Seems
to me the vast majority of the country is not
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rooting for Tom Brady and the Patriots to go win
the a f C in advance to the Super Bowl
to pursue their sixth title. So I put up two
pole questions about this during the course of today's show.
The first one which about fourteen thousand of you have
voted in so far. Are you rooting for Brady Belichick
and the Patriots to make the Super Bowl even if
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you hate them because a Bordles versus Folds or Keenum
super Bowl would suck. That's the question. You can find
me on Twitter at Clay Travis. You can go vote.
Sixty percent of you are not rooting for that. So
basically two thirds of you essentially are rooting for the
Patriots to lose to the Jags. And then I was
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kind of intrigued by that because I got us into
a discussion on the show about how that would have
compared with Jordan's back in twenty years ago as he
got ready for Game seven against Reggie Miller and the Pacers,
and also as he then advanced to play against John Stockton,
Carl Malowne, Brian Russell, that group of the Utah Jazz
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and so I asked, were you rooting for Michael Jordan's
and the Bulls to win their sixth title in when
they played the Jazz? And se of you with nearly
ten thousand votes in are saying that you were rooting
for the Chicago Bulls. Now that upsets the crew here
in both Nashville and l A who were of the
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opinion that everybody hated Michael Jordan. Any changes of your opinion?
Do you now agree with me that the vast majority
of people were rooting for Michael Jordan to win his
sixth title and the vast majority are rooting against Tom Brady,
Which is kind of an interesting situation just because both
guys would be going for their sixth championship. Uh in
those respective conferences and finals. Well, that's not exactly how
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you explain it. And we didn't sit here and say
everyone hated them. What we were arguing against was hardcore
NBA fans of their team respected, respected, Michael against them.
I don't disagree that if you were a Knicks fan,
or you or a Jazz fan or a Pacers fan,
that you were rooting against Michael Jordan's But I'm just
talking about like those are yes that the vast majority
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were for, and now the casual fan is against Brady. Yeah,
but I just the same. I just think. I just
think it's a function of the way that sports has changed.
I think greatness was more celebrated in a pre social
media era. In a pre Internet era, you were more
likely to like and appreciate a dynasty than you are now.
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I think now people get tired of things so quickly.
Everything is instantaneous. It's almost impossible for a story to
last more than twenty four hours, and so people get
over newness more rapidly now than they did back then.
And whereas in the past, I think you would have
been more likely to root for a dynasty. I'll give
you a couple of examples. I think the the Dallas
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Cowboys with at first Jimmy Johnson and then become Barry Switzer.
I think that people rooted for the Cowboys to win, right.
I think that they wanted the Cowboys to win multiple
Super Bowls, and I think to a certain extent, the
Yankees are a little bit different because the brand of
the Yankees as such, they've won whatever it is, twenty
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seven World Series. They're a little bit different in the
late nineties because they already most people, I think already
had opinions about the Yankees. But I don't think that
many people had opinions about the Bulls before Michael Jordan's
and I don't think anybody had an opinion about the
New England Patriots before Brady and Belichick. So I think
the the Yankees are a little bit more of a
national roar sack test, like you had to already have
an opinion on them. I think dynasties were more popular
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before the Internet. Is that a crazy idea? That dynasty's
were more popular as a slower moving news cycle, you
were more likely to embrace excellence before the Internet. Now,
that doesn't mean that if your team was playing against
the Dynasty, you would be rooting for the Dynasty over
your team. Certainly not. But I think that if Jordan
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were playing today, it's a it's a fascinating test question.
I think, uh great debate if Jordans were playing today,
with his issues with gambling, with his dad's mysterious death,
with obviously everything surrounding the relationship he got divorced, He
had a lot of different mistresses all over the place.
I think Tiger Woods would have that Jordan would have
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gotten Tiger Woods at some point in today's era, and
I don't think that everybody would be rooting for him
like they did back in the late nineties. I think
it's an interesting era because you think about Tom Brady.
You can dislike Tom Brady, but really, what has Tom
Brady done, much like what has Lebron James done, that's
actually that bad? You know, it's crazy. My picks for
the weekend going into the a f C. In the NFC,
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I'm on the Patriots they win by double digits, and
I'm on the Vikings they also win by double digits
to double digit winners for you there, Patriots Viking is
gonna meet in the Super Bowl. Get rich kids, both
of those easy winners double digit style in the a
f C and the NFC title. Thanks for all of
you spending your weeks with us. I am Clay Travis.
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