The Committee Got it Right

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get in the zone. Auto Zone, Well, we are in
the zone here. You know who else was in the
in the zone the Seattle Seahawks. Last night, in case
you missed it, the Seattle Seahawks finally ended what had
been an incredible run of success by the Philadelphia Eagles,
and in so doing put themselves back into the playoff picture.

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Uh in the NFC. The Seahawks now at eight And
for the Minnesota Vikings, I haven't believed in him all
season long. They keep covering, they keep winning. Right now.
If the season ended today, case Keenum and the Minnesota
Vikings would be your number one overall seed in the NFC,

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the Eagles dropping to number two, the Rams, the Saints,
the Seahawks, and the Carolina Panthers, and I think there's
a lot of people out there that are like, WHOA
the seat the Vikings number one seed in the NFC. Yeah,
that's where we are. The Vikings just keep winning with
case keenum four games left in the season and they

(01:29):
are sitting at ten into the same record as the
New England Patriots. The Pittsburgh Steelers still sitting at nine
and two they play tonight. I believe the Tennessee Titans
are at eight and four. I don't know if the
Titans are any good at all either. Kansas City Chiefs
remember early in the season when I said I didn't
believe in Alex Smith, and Jason Martin was just he

(01:49):
was just a disgusted at the idea that someone couldn't
believe in Alex Smith. Well, they've lost. I believe the
number now is six of their last seven, and they've
lost to a lot of really bad teams such that.
And I think I said this last week, I think
the Chargers are going to end up winning the a

(02:09):
f C West even though they started going four and maybe, maybe,
just maybe it's gonna be the Oakland Raiders. So if
you're out there in the a f C West, you
feel like your team is still alive unless you happen
to be Denver, which is Jason Martin's team. And then
we've got, obviously the Baltimore Ravens, who honestly seem like
they're turning it on a little bit, and Jacksonville slotted

(02:31):
in at the five and the six spot. Again, to me,
the only real uncertainty in the a f C playoff
pictures probably gonna be who ends up winning the a
f C West. So lots going on there. That was
the NFL action. Um I want to bring in Jason
Martin here and have to have make him an answer
for himself. Are you willing to now admit that Alex

(02:52):
Smith is not the answer for the Kansas City Chiefs
in terms of making a playoff run. I want about yesterday.
I mean, you can talk about what he's done, but
you can't talk about what he did yesterday. Yesterday he
was nineteen and thirty three for three hundred sixty six yards,
had four touchdowns to no interceptions, and for seventy yards.
I mean, he was phenomenal yesterday. He did everything in

(03:13):
the world to help them win. His stats were outrageous.
He was throwing deep he found Tyreek killed twice. He
was on fire. Now you can talk about what he's
done for the last month. And I told you last
week Alex Smith has not been playing well at all
around that team. But that team lost yesterday without Alex Smith.
He was Do we need to do I need to
apologize to Minnesota Viking fans. Let's go around the word

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right now. Do I do I need to apologize? Or
am I still correct and not believing in Case Kingdom
and the Vikings? Should I apologize? Jason Martin wasn't Case
Kingdom or thirty yesterday. I mean, he's not gonna go
out there, and he didn't miss the pass yards. He
didn't miss a pass in the second half. Yeah, I
mean against the really good Falcons team on the road.
What about you guys in l A. Danny, Do I

(03:54):
need you apologize to Vikings fans? You actually do because
I brought him up a few weeks ago and you're like, nope,
I'm not a believe eiver. And again he had two touchdowns,
no turnovers, so he's he is the best thing since
rich Gannon as far as the journey then goes. Here's
the deal. I want everybody to listen closely. They are
the number one seed in the NFC. The Vikings look

(04:15):
unstoppable right now in the way that they're beating people.
They're not just beating people, they're beating good teams. I
still don't believe in them. I'm sorry, Minnesota. I know
you're hosting the super Bowl. I know all the Viking
fans out there right now are sitting around saying, not
only are we gonna make the super Bowl and kind
of in this awful disaster of Minnesota sports runs, but
we're actually going to be hosting the super Bowl in

(04:39):
our home football stadium, and the Vikings are gonna be there. Baby, No,
you're not. I'm not gonna sign off on case Keenom,
even though you're tenant too, even though you keep covering
and winning. I just I'm not a believer. I'm not
a believer. I'm not willing to take the leap of
faith even though there's ample evidence that it's funny. Vike

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fans come after me now, because I've been on this
kick for a couple of months now, where even though
the Vikings are highly seated in the playoffs, I just
don't believe in them. I think right now if we
get to the playoffs. First of all, we know the
long tortured history of the Minnesota Vikings in the playoffs.
So even Viking fans are like, uh, you know what,

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I'd rather have doubters than I would believers. And I don't,
frankly believe that even very many Viking fans really believe
in case Keenum. But if we got into the playoffs
right now, I would definitely take even though they're nine
and three, and even though they'd be coming out of
having to win the wild card against Carolina right now,
which would be an insanely difficult game, right I mean,

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sorry against Seattle either way, it's a really insanely difficult game.
I like the Saints. I still like the Saints to
win the NFC right now. That would be my pick.
But right now, I think there's a lot of people
surprised because we've given so much attention over the time
to the Eagles and they were tending one coming into
this game last night against the Seahawks. A lot of
people waking up this morning to find out that the

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Minnesota Vikings would be your overall number one seed in
the NFC if the season were ending today, and that
the road to the NFC title would run through Minnesota,
and then potentially the road to the super Bowl would
run through Minnesota. We haven't had I think I'm correcting this.
We haven't had a team play in their stadium for
the Super Bowl yet. There's been a lot of times

(06:24):
where we thought, oh, maybe it's gonna happen. I remember,
certainly when Indianapolis hosted the Super Bowl several years ago,
there was a hope that the Colts would be able
to be there playing at home. I would love to
see what the ticket market would look like for the
Minnesota Vikings playing in the Super Bowl in their hometown.
When When was the last time the Vikings were in
the Super Bowl? Have the Vikings ever been in the
Super Bowl? I know they lost to like absolutely gut

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wrenching NFC title games. They lost to the Saints a
while back, obviously with Brett Farr, and then they also
lost when Gary Anderson had never missed a field goal right,
and he misses the one with Randy Moss and Dante
called Pepper. But I don't think that they've ever been
at least like not in modern history, and by modern history,
I mean something that I can remember so something in
the last thirty years. I don't think they've been in

(07:09):
the super Bowl. They four in the super Bowl right
there and four, But when was the last time they went.
It was pre merger, before the AFL and the NFL merger,
so that there wasn't a super Bowl then they were
just in the NFC championship games. Super Bowl didn't happen
until AFL and NFL merger. So I'm correct, they've never
been in the super Bowl. Okay, So that in and
of itself would be a pretty incredible story standing alone,

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if that were to happen, if the Vikings would make
a run to the Super Bowl in the year when
they're actually hosting the Super Bowl and a lot of
people actually got beat by our Oakland Raiders back in
nineteen seventy six, I got I was looking at I
was looking at the top part. So theyd been to
the Super Bowl. They won the NFC three times in
the seventies and once in nineteen sixty nine before the merger.

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So three you guys really hate the Vikings. My apologies,
I said, I knew that they hadn't been in my lifetime,
So my lifetime as a sports fans that's a long time.
That's really all I care about. Everything else is just
just details, all right. So that is, uh, that is
the NFL playoff picture right now as it sits, and
I'm sure we're gonna unpack that eight seven six nine.

(08:17):
I'm giving out the phone number because I want us
to focus a little bit on some praise for the
Playoffs Selection Committee. We talked a lot about Alabama versus
Ohio State on this show. It was self evident if
you looked at the likely outcomes as recently as to
three weeks ago, that we potentially could be headed towards this,

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and certainly the moment that Alabama lost to Auburn, it
was very clear that we were gonna be set up
for Alabama versus Ohio State. And so I gave you
the breakdown on why I believed that Alabama deserved to
go over Ohio State. And I have to give the
Playoffs Selection Committee some praise here. I think they got

(08:58):
it right. I think they got certainly there was no
doubt about the top three seeds and even the order
that they were gonna be Clemson one, Oklahoma too, and
Georgia three. There was no doubt about any of those outcomes.
I was at the SEC title game. Uh, the big
news obviously with the beat down that Georgia put on Auburn.

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I hope this also makes college football fans think a
little bit more intelligently about college football, because there's so
many college football fans out there that believe whatever happened
in one game would happen in the other game, and
no other sports fan believes this. So everybody was like, Oh,
Auburn crushed Georgia forty seventeen. I think it was on

(09:43):
the planes down at Auburn. There's no way george is
gonna come back and win. Well, oddsmakers disagreed, because by
the time this game kicked off, Georgia had become a
small favorite, and it looked like maybe we were gonna
get a repeat of exactly what happened before when they
came out and Auburn did scored on their open drive,
and then they had the ball deep in possession, looking
like they had a decent chance to go at fourteen nothing,

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they get a turnover, Georgia does they score the next
twenty eight unanswered and they are now headed out to
the Rose Bowl for a great game against Oklahoma. But
we don't get these rematches that often in college football,
and as a result, whatever happens, we tend to think
would happen again and again and again, even though in reality,
obviously that is not the case. If you think about

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the NFL, certainly, where teams play everybody in their division
twice every year, and we know all the crazy different
outcomes that can happen there, and certainly it's not the
case in Major League Baseball, in hockey, or in the NBA,
where we play best of seven games series and we
know that every individual game can stand alone, but they
don't all sound the same, that the result is not

(10:49):
always the same. So I thought that was an intriguing
matchup because we don't get those rematches very often. But
number one was clearly Clemson, Number two was clearly was
clearly a Lahoma. Number three was Georgia. And then there
was a huge debate, and ultimately I think the College
Football Playoff Committee got it right and they got the
four best teams. Now, there's still lots of flaws I

(11:11):
think about the College Football Playoff Committee. We don't know
that I've seen anyway exactly how many people voted, but
it was the worst case scenario in terms of three
guys having to recuse themselves Ohio State's a D, Clemson's
a D, and Frank Biemer because his son is an
assistant coach at Georgia. So we only had ten guys
voting and we could have ended up in a tie

(11:31):
of five to five. But they said they only debated
for about an hour on it, which is crazy because
we spent more than an hour on this show debating it.
And maybe it didn't end up being that close. Maybe
it was one of those situations where you thought it
was gonna be close, but in the end it was not.
So I want to get your reactions eight seven, seven,
three six nine. What did you think of the playoff

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set up as it was? Who would you make the favorite?
I'll give you the favorites when I come back Odd Shark.
Our guys there have got the lines out for who
is favored to win this college football playoff. If you
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we will discuss lots loaded it's a Monday edition. We
got tons to discuss. If you're a Vikings fan and

(12:13):
you're upset that I still don't believe in you can
tee off on me there. Who do you believe in
the most? Maybe in the NFL. I'll ask the guys
next in terms of a Super Bowl run as we
come down on the final quarter of the season. All
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people confident after the College Football Playoff Committee rankings came
out and again Alabama gets in over Ohio State or
they're angry Buckeye fans out there, or do most people
in college football feel like I did, and do that
the College Football Playoff Committee got the right fore end, Well,
let's hear what everybody had to say about it. First,
here was Kirby Hocut talking about the decision by the committee.

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The selection committee just favored Alabama's full body of work
over that of Ohio State. And it was consistent over
the course of the year as we saw Alabama play
weekend and week out, when we start with a clean
sheet of paper, each and every week, that the selection
committee believed that Alabama was the better football team. So
it's accurate to say that the selection committee felt that

(14:51):
Alabama was unequivocally better, because that's the criteria if you're
gonna trump a conference champion. Correct, yes, or Alabama was
clearly the number four ranked team in the country as
a non champion. That was a pretty strong and unequivocal
statement there. What about what Nick Saban and Urban Meyer
had to say about the decision, Well, I think it's

(15:11):
subjective to something degree because we don't all play each other.
I can get into my theory on this. I personally
want to play all Power five Conference teams every week.
I know people say we played Mercer College and we
couldn't get a game with anybody else. What do you
think was the biggest difference and we had a loss.
You know, we had a tough loss. You know, I

(15:31):
think that was the toughest one, and I was kind
of hoping that we had those, you know, good wins.
You know, yeah, I think we have three wins against
the top six team teams in America. But I get it.
I mean, let's move forward and uh get around people
you carry your family or teammates. That is Urban Meyer
and obviously Nick Saban breaking down the decision to get
Alabama in as the number four overall playoff team, odd

(15:54):
Shark immediately released the rating, I mean the ratings. The
ratings were fantastic for these games, by the way, Young THEO,
the Big Ten Network and the the the Big Ten
Championship Game and the SEC Championship Game, National Championship Futures odds. Okay, so,
who has favored now that the playoff is set? This is,
according to odd Shark, Alabama plus one sixty seven, Clemson

(16:19):
plus two fifty five, Oklahoma plus three oh five, and
Georgia plus three fifty. So Alabama, even though they're gonna
be the four seed, was favored and is favored to
win the playoff. And then when you break down the
individual games, Alabama and Clemson has moved to a straight
pick them. Oklahoma is a one point favored against Georgia.

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So we're talking about effectively fifty fifty games. Now, let
me bring in my crew. Guys. Did you agree that
the College Football Playoff Committee got it right? I know
when we went around last week, everybody on this show
believed that Alabama should be the pick. Anything change at
all in your opinions after having watched the conference title game?
Or did the committee get it right? Jason Martin, committee

(17:04):
got it right, and I think their decision was made
easier by the fact that Ohio State didn't exactly dominate Wisconsin.
Like if that game had been like a thirty point game,
maybe you would have had a better argument, but it
just wasn't. They had to hang on and try to
win that football game, and I didn't think Wisconsin played
particularly well, so I don't think that that helped Ohio
State's case. They needed a dominant performance. That's not what

(17:26):
they came out and delivered. So I think that that
made it easy. And yes, the committee got it right.
What about you guys in l A. You agree still? Yeah?
For all those hours discussing it on the show. It
sounds it sounds like we were all right and we
could have done it in thirty seconds last week. Well,
you know what it really made it easy, obviously, is
if Oklahoma, I mean sorry, if Wisconsin had won their game.

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If Wisconsin wins their game, there's no controversy at all.
The four are seated on basically automatically, we don't even
have to worry about it. Here's a couple of thoughts
that I have in general about the college football Playoff
Committee and the way everything works. First of all, I
want you to just think with me here, this was
the recipe for a disastrous decision. They need to recalibrate

(18:11):
and reassess the process by which they're picking the teams.
Even though I think they got it right. Uh and
and I think that that the that the overall outcome
was right, this was a situation where I think they
should look at it and say, man, our process might
not be as efficient and effective as we could hope.
And here's why you had only thirteen people on this committee.

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That's not very many people to begin with. And effectively,
these thirteen people are just doing a poll, right. All
they are doing is making a poll of who they
think the best teams are. So when you have to
pull three of those people out for conflict, the Ohio
State athletic director, the Clemson athletic director, and certainly Frank

(18:54):
Biemer because his son plays for Georgia, you're down to
ten guys, and when you get to ten guys, you
could theoretically end up tied five to five, and that
is potentially a unbelievable mess because the way you break
the tide then is everybody sits around in the room
and argues until somebody changes their mind. That can't be

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the process, especially not when there's tens of millions of
dollars at stake there. And I think ultimately the committee
looked at the fact that Alabama would have been a
five and a half point favored over Ohio State, and
they said, let's just pick the better team. And I
think that Ohio states thirty one point loss to a
seven and five Iowa team was a bridge too far.

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I think also if you look at the data from
a gambling perspective, SEC versus Big Ten head to head,
the SEC teams would have been favored in ten of
those games, the Big Ten favored in three. We have
one pick them so the strength of schedule argument really
didn't apply. Alabama went seven and one against Bowl eligible teams,

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Ohio State went five and two. I think all of
those things factoring together led to the result that we had,
And look, it made a lot of sense, I think
in general, but it was certainly a certainly a challenge. Look,
I don't think there's any way to claim that that
was anything other than a mess. But instead of just
focusing on what happened, I want you to think about this.

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What if USC had not played Notre Dame and had
instead played a low level FBS team, or if they
had played just an FCS opponent like several schools did.
What if USC had played Akron, or what if USC
had played Mercer like Nick Saban and Alabama did. USC

(20:47):
would be in the playoff. Guys eleven and one, USC
that became twelve and one with the win over Stanford,
they would have been in the playoff. They would have
had one loss on the road on a Friday night
where their offensive line was beat up, that was very
close against Washington State. They would have never had to
go on the road and play Notre Dame. To me,

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I think one of the things that we are learning
in the playoff era, is this schedule only matters if
you don't win your conference. If you win your conference
and you go twelve and twelve and one, or you
or you go thirteen and oh, you're gonna make the
playoff every year. Look at Wisconsin's schedule. It was not

(21:29):
very good. They didn't challenge themselves at all. The committee
is going to reward undefeated or one lost teams over
two lost teams, I believe, no matter how difficult those
schedules are. And I think that is a lesson that
you can take now that we've had four years of
Playoff Committee rankings and try to apply them going forward. Now.

(21:51):
I think the Playoff Committee got it right here because
I think if Ohio State had gotten in, Ohio State
would have gotten in three times in a four year
layoff as the final team selected, and the committee would
effectively be able to argue. And I would have come
on and I said, hey, there's a rule now for
the college Football Playoff Committee. It's Ohio State's gonna get
in and it doesn't matter what we have to do

(22:14):
to make them get in. I think Alabama was the
right call. Some of you may disagree I'm gonna open
up the phone lines here as we bring in Eddie
Garcia eight seven, seven, nine, six, three six nine. Now,
something that I do that is relatively rare is Monday's
We usually don't have any guests at all scheduled. So
this is your time to react. This is your time
to uh dispute forth all of the brilliance that you
have saved up over the weekend from all the college

(22:35):
football in the NFL games eight seven, seven, nine, six,
three six nine, load them up and let me bring
in my guy, Eddie Garcia. Alright, close check in on
week through tea to the NFL. Sunday night, it was
the Seahawks over the Eagles to ten. Seattle is eight
and four. Philadelphia drops to ten and two their nine
game winning streaking snap. Let's focus on the a f
C playoff picture right now. In the late action yesterday,

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the Chargers beat the Browns nineteen to ten. L A
is six and six for the AMC West lead and
they are the first team out of the playoffs in
the a f C. Right now, Raiders beat the Giants
seven the Oakland also six or sixth part of that
three way time for the a f C West lead
early action Patriots over the Bills twenty three to three.
New England's ten and two. They won eight in a row.
They're the number one seed, Tightens over the Texans. Tennessee

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is eight and four. They're the three seed. Jets over
the Chiefs thirty thirty one. Kansas seeds last six of seven.
They're holding onto that fourth seed in the a f
C playoffs. Jaguars beat the Colts thirty to ten, Jacksonville
eight and four, fifth seed in the a f C,
and the Ravens have the final playoff spot in the
a f C. They beat the Lions. They are seven
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A couple of other big news stories that I want
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about the opportunity to listen on satellite radio and things.
As always, for the millions of you who are downloading
the show on the podcast. Here's the deal. Um, I
am here because I'm gonna go watch the Supreme Court argument.
The state of New Jersey is challenging the regulation that
was passed in that does not allow sports gambling essentially
to occur anywhere outside the state of Nevada. Chris Christie,

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the governor of New Jersey. The citizens of New Jersey decided,
you know what, we want to be able to vote on,
to vote on whether we could gamble on sports. They
passed a referendum with six of the people saying yes,
and so they are gonna have oral arguments in the
Supreme Court. I've never been before, uh, to the Supreme
Court to see an oral argument in person. I am excited, uh,

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to to see that it could be I think as
big of a moment for the world of sports, frankly
in terms of how this would change things as certainly
since fantasy sport merged with the Internet, and maybe even
as big as cable in terms of its overall impact
to what sports would become. If suddenly you could go

(26:11):
out and gamble legally in all fifty states or several
of the states. I think right now, forty four of
the states allow lotteries. So within that context, in theory,
there might be just as many states that would end
up allowing legal sports gambling. Now, some of you, I know,
maybe even many of you, are like, Man, I don't care.

(26:31):
I just go on the internet and I just use
an offshore account and I just bet from my phone,
or I just bet from my laptop. I mean, certainly,
that is a multibillion dollar industry already, but I think
making it officially legal would make a a lot of sense,
and I think it would change the way that we
talk about sports. Uh. Certainly in UH in this country

(26:54):
we talk a lot about gambling on this show already.
I think we'd probably talk gambling even more, and I
think even more of you out there would come in
and start to gamble on sports for entertainment and hopefully
to make a little bit of money throughout the course
of the season. All Right, eight seven seven, six three
six nine, let's get all your reactions to everything, uh.
And you want to start Jason Martin with Paul and Fargo. Yeah,

(27:19):
let's get these angry vikings callers a chance to tee
off on you. All Right, Paul and Fargo, you say
that I'm that I'm an idiot because I don't believe
in the Vikings. No, No, I don't think you're an idiot.
I just is just a criticism I hear about case
Keenum is that he isn't a viable long term option
at quarterback for the Vikings because at his age did
not get had success at the QPI position, and therefore

(27:41):
he must not be good enough to take the Vikings
in the Super Bowl. But still Vikings need to be
looking elsewhere. But I don't understand that argument because there
was another quarterback I think for a while back was
in the exact same position is Keenum. Uh. He had
enohing in the NFL. He was the third strength to
be behind I think Tony Banks and something called us
Steve Bono. And in the following year he's the backup

(28:03):
at started at certain preseason, he moves up to starter
and he wins the Super Bowl that year. And that
player was Kurt Warner, And I guess I see a
lot of similarities between Warner and Keenum. And I just
love to hear your thoughts on like teen isn't getting
more respect as a corporate quarterback capable of taking the
bike to the Super Bowl. Thanks yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. Um.
I think the reason why case Keenum is not getting

(28:25):
a lot of respect as a quarterback is because the
Kurt Warner analogy is a good one, but Kurt Warner
had never really had a chance. And I know everybody
out there wants to hit me with Trent Dilfer and
the two thousand Baltimore Ravens team and how you can
have a workman like quarterback with a great defense who's
capable of winning a super Bowl. But I think we're

(28:45):
fresh off of last year, and in last year's playoffs,
you didn't even need to look at anybody else on
the roster to decide who was gonna win every playoff game.
Arguably last year the best quarterback went eleven and oh
right or twelve and oh whatever the math was on it.
Every playoff game the best quarterback one. And so if

(29:08):
you look at it that way, it's really challenging too.
And and by the way, the one possible exception to
that was Matt Ryan against Aaron Rodgers in the NFC
title game the Atlanta Falcons. One. Matt Ryan was having
a Hall of Fame season, but obviously Aaron Rodgers, I
think is the best quarterback in the NFL. But you

(29:29):
can argue last year Matt Ryan on that particular team,
with that particular year, was the better quarterback at that time. Otherwise,
the best quarterback one every game. And so I think
we're looking at that and saying, Okay, let's presume that
the Minnesota Vikings advance into the playoffs, and let's also

(29:51):
presume that they are the number one overall seat. Right,
Let's presume the season we're ending today, what would the
Vikings route to the play offs actually look like. I
think it's likely that they would play let's say the
New Orleans Saints. Let's presume that the seeds hold. Okay,
so case Keenum has to beat Drew Brees, then he

(30:13):
might well have to beat Carson Wentz if the seeding
held held, and then he would get into the super
Bowl and he would have to beat Tom Brady. That's
a tall order, right, you have to beat three big
time quarterbacks. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints. I think everybody
out there listening right now, first ballot Hall of Famer,

(30:33):
first ballot Hall of Famer for Drew Brees and the
New Orleans Saints. Okay, Carson Wentz still really young, So
maybe the Eagles fade a little bit, maybe they're not
as good as we would anticipate, and the fact that
they have a young quarterback. But even still, Carson Wentz
playing a really high level. Okay, that gets you into
the super Bowl and then you have to beat Tom

(30:54):
Brady or Ben Roethlisberger. I think there's a lot of people,
myself included, that just don't buy in to the idea
that that's going to happen. Let's go to Dave in Minneapolis.
What's up, Dave? Hey, how's it going play? Uh? You know,
I've been I've been looking to you for a little
while now, and I love the show. But I've been

(31:14):
a diet of Vikings fan. I'm thirty two years old.
The only thing I know is the two heartbreak years
that I've had, the two Nfecy championship blosses. Um, do
you believe, Dave? I you know, I I get this feeling.
There's just something different about this season. You know, we

(31:35):
start out with you know, uh Sham Bradford, he goes down,
and then all of a sudden you got case Keenum
stepping up and he's playing well, He's playing out of
his mind. And that defense, you know, everybody says it's
it's it's a known thing. Defense wins championships, That defense
is so good. They yeah. I don't. Honestly, I I

(32:00):
buy it. Thanks for the call. I don't buy the
defense wins championships. I I just don't. I think quarterbacks
win championships in the NFL. I think defense wins championships
is an overplayed cliche. I think if you look at
modern era of the NFL, quarterbacks win championships. I think
it happens in college football too. Deshaun Watson one Clemson
the championship last year. Reason why, I kind of like

(32:22):
Baker Mayfield in Oklahoma. This year, quarterback wins championships. Best
quarterback in the college football playoff by far I believe
is Baker Mayfield. Jalen Hurts. Fine, you can make an
argument Clemson young quarterback situation. I'm not confident in them,
Georgia not. I mean, from played out of his mind
in the SEC title game, played fantastic still a freshman.

(32:46):
So I'm not buying into anybody as much as I
am Baker Bayfield. I don't buy in the defense wins Championships.
All right, We'll keep taking your calls. Final segment Our
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three three sal Join. This is kind of crazy. I
can't believe this happened, but Herm Edwards has been hired

(33:29):
as the Arizona State football coach, which means we now
have just a couple of openings. Arkansas is still trying
to figure out who they're gonna hire because Gus malls
On has agreed to re up with Auburn unless something
crazy has happened in the last hour uh with with
a seven million dollar a year guarantee. So congrats to

(33:49):
Gus miles On. He was asked that question in the
post game right after the SEC title game and said
he hoped to stay at at Auburn, and evidently Auburn
has matched his offer. So ten See and Arkansas and
Florida State are all open right now. UH, Nebraska, congratulations
to the Cornhuskers on getting Scott Frost. Arizona State, though,

(34:11):
I wanted to read this, UH this release because I
think your mind is gonna be blown when you hear this,
and then we'll get some of your calls. Eight seven
seven six three six nine. This is the official release.
Arizona State University and Vice President of University Athletics Ray
Anderson has unveiled plans for a restructured a s U
football model and name former NFL head coach Herm Edwards

(34:34):
as the twenty four head coach of the Sun Devil
football program, pending approval by the Arizona Board of Regents.
Now Herm Edwards has not coached college football since the
nineteen eighties, and here is their statement. The development's new
leadership model will be similar to an NFL approach, using
a general manager structure. It's a collaborative approach to managing

(34:57):
the A s U football program. That include Sport and
administrative divisions, which will operate as distinct but collective units
focused on elevating all aspects of Sun Devil football. This
structure will allow the department to form a multi layered
method to the talent evaluation and recruiting processes, increase its

(35:17):
emphasis on both student athlete and coach development and retention,
and provide a boost and resource allocation and generation. I'm
telling you right now that entire paragraph is the biggest
collection of gobbleygook I have ever seen in the history
of a college football or NFL release. Way need to
win the date. Yeah, I have no idea what was

(35:40):
just said there? I have no idea what Arizona State
is doing. What a ridiculous decision? Jason Martin. What's the
phone situation here? We've got a couple of calls, but
I need to screen some more as well because some
are coming in soight s nine. I'll let you screen
those calls. Let me go out to l A. Danny G.

(36:01):
When you hear a paragraph like that, does your mind
just roll back into the top of your head like
mine just did. That makes no sense. No, listen to
the buzz words in this Arizona State release. I just
I want to hit you with several of the buzz
roads that. First of all, the department's new Leadership Model
and new and leadership and model are all capitalized, so

(36:22):
like it's as if they've reinvented the wheel. Here. Okay,
you have a new leadership model, which you're calling the
n l M will be similar to an NFL approach
using a general manager structure. And and then these are
the phrases that are used collaborative approach, Sport and administrative
divisions that will operate as distinct but collective units. I

(36:44):
don't even know what that means. What does it mean?
They will operate as distinct but collective units focused on
elevating all aspects of Sun Devil football. And then this
structure will allow the department to form a multi layered
method to the talent evaluation recruiting processes. Increase emphasis, I
mean it makes no sense. And then and coach development

(37:05):
and retention and provide a boost and resource allocation and generation.
It's like they're playing mad libs. What random words can
we generate in a paragraph to make it sound like
we're not hiring a coach from the nineteen eighties and
we haven't just given up on life. It's got to
be one of the worst releases from any team ever.
And that's not even counting the fact that they decided

(37:26):
to ridiculously hire HERM Edwards. Um and I don't even
know what this means. I mean again, and somebody read
this and was like, oh, when they read this, they're
gonna be like, we totally understand this move to hire
her med words And instead I think all of you
reading this like early in the morning, I understand, may
not I have had your coffee even yet, but you like,
that doesn't make any sense. I don't have any idea

(37:47):
what they're talking about here. Uh And yeah, you know what,
it's pretty pretty ludicrous. Um eight seven seven three six nine,
will go to your calls, will come back to to
start our two. But Arizona stay condolences on your decision
to hire a guy who's evidently going to run the
uh the new college football program and her Edwards like
it's an NFL general manager. I hope that they stay

(38:09):
under the salary cap. That's always been the challenge for
Alabama football, staying under the salary cap. Um. So uh,
we will dive into the college football playoffs. I'll give
you some early reactions on these matchups. We will also
continue to unpack the NFL Week twelve action only Monday
Night football to go and where we are in the
playoff picture. And I'm gonna tell you why I still

(38:33):
think the college football playoff committee needs to be recalibrated
and reassessed. And I'm sounding like Arizona State right now.
We've got to refashion the progress and implement a systemic
adjustment and reevaluation of our fundamental processes. Um, what would
I do to solve the college football playoff? I think
college football playoff at four teams is excellent. I would

(38:56):
implement an eight team college football playoffs. Some of you
have heard me tell you exactly what that should look like,
and uh, I will break that down and tell you
why it would be infinitely preferable to the four team
playoff that we have right now, which frankly, I don't
think makes that much sense. And an easy read on
that is we need eight teams. And I'll tell you

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being paid to Rob Gronkowski and the hit that he
put on for Davious White in his game against the
Buffalo Bills. It was clearly a cheap shot, a seismic

(40:46):
and impactful statement in the world of sports, one of
the three biggest changes potentially in the last twenty five
or thirty years coming to sports. If you're just waking
up across the country, thanks for starting your a. If
us several things to get to the college football Playoff committee,
I think they got it right. I think the four
teams that they picked, and I think the places that

(41:07):
they seated them exactly right. Clemson number one going up
against number four Alabama, Obama right around a one point
favorite there. In the other game Oklahoma against Georgia out
in l A and the Rose Bowl, Oklahoma around a
one point favorite there. Effectively, what we're learning is potentially
two great games on new Year's Day. What I would do,

(41:29):
I tease this as we went to break. What I
would do is I would go ahead. I think it's
time to expand to eight for the playoffs. Okay, all
five conference champs automatically in I think that would be
significant because it would stop a situation from happening such
as just avoiding challenge. Right. I think the Big Ten West,

(41:50):
at least until what I think happened Scott Frost gets
Nebraska up and rolling, the Big Ten West is not
gonna be anywhere near as good as the Big Ten East.
So you can have a situation where a team like
Wisconsin isn't really challenged all season, doesn't really play anybody,
and yet if they had gone thirteen and oh, they
would have been in the playoff, and they would have
been substantially the worst team in the playoff. We shouldn't

(42:13):
reward perfection when it's perfection without challenge. In other words,
if your son is like mine, seven years old and
he gets to play against five year old, he should
be a lot better. You wouldn't want to reward that.
You wouldn't want to encourage that. You want him to
play his age, or play up. And I think the
same thing is true in college football. I've used it

(42:34):
as an example talking about it. Look, if USC doesn't
play Notre Dame and instead they play Mercer, there in
the there in the playoff right now, that's the truth.
And I don't think that's right. And if Ohio State
doesn't play Oklahoma out of conference and instead they play
Akron or they play Ohio University, they're probably in the

(42:59):
playoff right now because I think twelve and one Ohio State,
even with an awful loss to Iowa Big ten champ
Ohio State would have gotten in, I believe over Alabama.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they would have Alabama
even though they beat Florida State. Nick Saban might be
looking around saying what benefit did we get from this
Florida State and end up being six and six. Georgia

(43:22):
played maybe the most difficult schedule of all the teams
that are in the playoff right now, when you consider
that they played ten different FBS teams. Eleven different FBS
teams my bad, I think right, they played the nine
in the SEC counting that game. Yes, then they played
Notre Dame and they played Georgia Tech, so they played
eleven FBS opponents, and they won ten of those games,

(43:46):
and they canceled out their one loss. Clemson challenged themselves,
got Auburn earlier in the year. All of those things,
why did Auburn play against Clemson? If Auburn doesn't play
against Clemson, they are sitting pretty at eleven and one
in the SEC title game. All of those things factor
in NFL Week twelve action. In the books, I think

(44:08):
probably the most surprising aspect of Week twelve. Your number
one seed right now in the NFC, the Minnesota Vikings,
number two Philadelphia Eagles. I I start to look right now.
The way I break down the NFL is every week now,
I start to look at the playoffs starting about halfway
through the season, and so this is your NFC playoff
picture right now, Minnesota, the Eagles, the Rams, the Saints,

(44:33):
the Seahawks, and the Panthers. And then in the a
f C, we've got number one overall seed, the Patriots,
the Steelers, the Titans. I have no idea if the
Titans are earning good at eight and four Kansas City,
which continues to lose, they still right now have the
tie break over both Oakland and the Chargers, and then
we've got the Jacksonville and Baltimore. All right, we've got

(44:55):
loaded lines eight seven, seven, nine, six three six nine.
Next segment, just giving you an early tease, I'm gonna
play some of the discussion about the hit that Gronkowski
put on Tradavious White. I believe it was a defensive
back who now has a concussion after a cheap shot
from Rob Rob Gronkowski. Should he get suspended? We'll talk
about that next. But let's go to your calls reacting

(45:17):
to everything. Let's go to my man walking Willie down
in New Orleans. Willie, what's up? Are you watching the
playoff pickings? Were you an Alabama guy? Oh? You know,
my Alabama guy? But you know it's good. Uh come
and uh Alabama in New Orleans and the chap I'm

(45:37):
still having a hit it. Yeah, that was not good
Bye bye, Rob Gronkowski. You're gonna try to go to
this Alabama and Clemson game down to New Orleans? Oh? Yes,
you need. I'll be down there looking at them. You know,
I'm a booze man. That makes two of us really Yeah,

(45:58):
and when you be running, make sure you have a Yeah.
You know, I've never been I've never been to the
Supreme Court, and so I'm a little bit nervous about
what that process is gonna be. Like I'm running up there,
uh for the oral arguments in this sports gambling case.

(46:19):
A lot of people gambled down in New Orleans, Right,
you like to gamble very much on sports, Willie. I'll
go to the race there, but I because y'all got
too much stuff going on in Tennessee with the and
the guy who's getting a seven million dollars to go
to Texas. Hey, that's too much of money. Hey jah,

(46:42):
that that's that flew right over the top of you too.
Jimbo Fisher leaving Tallahassee. You knew it was a bad
sign for Jimbo Fisher staying in Tallahassee. Thanks for the call, Willie.
We threw the Christmas tree out of the house. When
you throw the Christmas tree out of the house three
weeks before Christmas, I'm actually stunned that he had a
Christmas tree up already. Pretty good sign that Jimbo Fisher
wasn't gonna be around for very long. He leaves and

(47:03):
he doesn't coach the final game of the season. Let
me say this a lot of people out there want
to get on their high horses about college football players
not playing in the bowl games. How about these coaches?
He just walked out on the team before the season
was done, after demanding loyalty everywhere. Now, look, I think
it was a really good higher for Texas A and
M fantastic higher, great fit, great focus. I think he'll

(47:26):
win at a high level. But to walk out before
the season's over, it's pretty ridiculous. Eric and Canton, what's up?
Eric Thanky, thanks for taking my call. Um, I just
want to tell you that I live in breathe Ohio
state football. Um, I don't miss the game. I got
a lot of games, like two weekends if I went
up to ann Arbor. I just got home yesterday from
Indianapolis at the Big Ten championship game. And I just

(47:49):
want to say that I'm gonna be unpopular with all
my peers in Puckaye Nation, but I do feel if
Manie got it right. Um, just because when you when
you're left me and you watch every game, it's just
your guts feelings says this is not a championship caliber
team like um that not only are they bi polar
week the week I just feel like the offense series

(48:12):
of the series is bi Powler like. Sometimes the series, Um,
they can they look like they can play with anybody
in the country. Then the next series is just sloppy
turnovers and penalties and they can't move the ball. And
I really think they were fortunate that that Michigan and
in Wisconsin have really really bad quarterback play to be
able to speak out those winds. Yeah, you know what,

(48:32):
it's a good point. And I think the offensive inefficiency
is particularly surprising because you've had J. T. Barrett there
for so long, and I think ultimately you have to
put that on him. I understand that maybe the playmakers
are still young at other positions and everything else, but
what you should have I think by the time you've
got a senior quarterback who has been there, redshirt senior.
I believe as long as JT. Barrett has been is

(48:53):
consistent play. And all JT. Barrett has been is consistently inconsistent.
Now his ceiling is really lee high. Look at what
he did in the comeback against Penn State brought him back.
I believe from fifteen down, whatever the math was, there,
stertling unbelievable, spectacular play but then go look at what
he did against Iowa and then also look at the
interceptions that he threw in this game that kept Wisconsin

(49:18):
around for a long time. We haven't even talked, by
the way about the field, just like falling apart, Uh
James in Georgia. What's up, show man? Good program is
always But I got a little bone to pick with
your man. Huge critical about the hiring of Herm Edwards
because of his long extended stay away from college football.

(49:40):
But you're sitting there hoping that Tennessee get John Groom
and he never was the head coaching college foot bore.
So it's true. But John Gruden has only been gone
from coaching for ten years, and John Gruden is younger.
How old is Herm Edwards? Like sixty play? They both
have not been on the sidelines since the exact same

(50:00):
year they were both on the last time on the
NFL sideline was two thousand and eight. John Gruden worked
in college, but he hasn't worked in it since. Her
medwords her medal. He's older than Gruden. I'm sure I'm
looking up here. I mean, my bet is that her
Edwards about sixty four sixty five years old, So you
liked this higher sixty? No, I don't know. I don't

(50:20):
like this higher. No, I'm talking to James. Is James
already hung up on? Yeah? Yeah? No. Look, I like
the idea of John Gruden. And look, because John Gruden
is an insanely famous star who has won a Super Bowl. Okay,
herm Edwards, what's the most successful year of coaching that
her Edwards has ever had in his career? And I'm

(50:44):
not an ex I haven't done the research on her Medwards,
so I can pull up his h his Wikipedia page
here live on the show, I mean, and we can
play what is her Edwards bio? Look like I know
a lot of guys they say that her Edwards is
a fantastic guy, great human being, well liked at ESPN.
He is sixty three years old and he will turn
sixty four in April um. He has not coached in

(51:06):
college football since he was the defensive backs coach at
San Jose State in nine and as a head coach,
record in the NFL was fifty six and seventy eight.
So he has a losing record in the UH in
the NFL, and he has never let's see, he's made

(51:27):
the Divisional round in the NFL, and the last time
he was in the divisional round of the NFL was
two thousand four, so I think that's the year that
the UH. That's pretty much almost the year that John
Gruden won the Super Bowl. So the differences you want
me to to to break down the difference between Her
Edwards and John Gruden is one John Gruden one a

(51:48):
UH super Bowl to John Gruden is infinitely more famous
as the Monday Night football host than her Edwords I
believe is as the as an analyst for the NFL.
And then finally, Jon Gruden was infinitely more successful as
a head coach in the NFL than her Medwords has been.

(52:08):
All those things true. Here's something. Here's some really interesting
quote about her Edwards from an NFL executive familiar with him. Quote,
It'll be a learning curve for a guy who has
never been an XS and OS specialist. There's some real
danger in terms of playing against the schools in that
conference that know what they're doing. It's one thing to
have a good motivational speaker, it's another thing to have

(52:30):
a good football coach. Unquote that's from an NFL executive
that knows her pretty well. Well, the staff will matter.
But here's what I would say in general. How like,
let's think about the two jobs that have come open
in the PAC twelve. You ce l A went and
hired Chip Kelly, and the Sun Devils went and got
Her Edwards. What do you think is likely to happen there?

(52:52):
Who's gonna have a schematic advantage? I think it's gonna
be U c l A by a landslide. So I
just look, I understand you can make the argument of oh, Clay,
you wanted John Gruden and everything else. Yeah, I did
want John Gruden, but I think there's a pretty big
difference between John Gruden and her med words, and one
of the big differences is Super Bowl ring. Let's go

(53:12):
to uh Calvin and San Antonio. What's up? Calvin? Good
morning guys, how y'all doing excellent? Glad that I heard
the comments about her Mel was John Gruden. But I
wanted to say something similar, but from a different angle.
My my question, I posed a question, how is her
Edwards a better candidate than Siano when both of them

(53:35):
have similar uh success as far as when they were
in a pro and in college. Yeah. From my point,
I mean I ripped the Yeah. No, I mean I
ripped the Shiano hiring at Tennessee and said it was
a joke. It was a bad move. He wasn't a
good fit, just like I feel the same way honestly
about her med Words. I think there are a lot
of people out there, like, let's say, your Arizona State,

(53:56):
You've got Todd Graham. You scored some decent amounts of points.
I mean, Todd Graham was an okay coach. There are
a lot of people out there. I think that that
the Arizona State could have gotten, Like if you could
get Kevin Sumlin to me personally, if you told me
that I had a choice between Kevin Sumlin and her
meed Words right now, and I think Arizona State might
well have had that choice to make. How in the

(54:17):
world does anybody pick her Edwards. Kevin Sumlin is coming
off a really good run in the most difficult division
for much of the time that he was there in
all of college football, and he recruited Arizona State decently.
I mean, he recruited the state of Arizona decently. Why
in the world would you go give her Edwards that job?
I mean, does anybody I mean honestly, like, if you

(54:39):
have a choice Kevin someone is supposedly now a top
candidate UCF. If you have a choice between Kevin Sumone,
who is a fantastic recruiter who was consistently put together
top ten classes, and you have a choice between him
and her Medwords, how could anybody that understands college football
pick her Medwords? I mean, it just makes no sense

(54:59):
to me. Matt in California, what's up? Matt? All right? Who?
We got a couple of calls? Now, I guess we
can go to well. John in Colorado is an angry
Vikings fan. All right, John, what's up? What's happening? Hey?
I just want to touch quickly on the Keenom Viking

(55:20):
debate as a as a fan, even I'd still have
to agree with you. I wasn't too optimistic with him
behind center, especially after Brafter and Cook went down. But
he's done a respectable job and I think that defense
has allowed him to do so. But if you look
at him head to head for some of the quarterbacks
he might have to face in the NFC title game,
I think the experience and playoff experiences some of these

(55:42):
other quarterbacks, I don't I just not too hopeful or
optimistic with him behind center. I guess I mean, I look,
I appreciate the call, and I understand Viking fans. I mean,
first of all, you've lost two awful NFC Championship games
where you felt like your heart was just ripped out
while it was still beating Indiana gy Owns in the
Temple of Doom style. So I certainly understand why you

(56:03):
would not have a lot of faith in case Keenom.
And I think, ultimately, again, the NFL's quarterback league, and
as good as you can find your surrounding cast to be,
at some point in time, your quarterback has to be
the difference maker. And I'm not sure that he's got
that difference maker caliber to flip on when we actually
get to the playoffs. Last call for US Dallas in Roanoke, Virginia.

(56:24):
What's up, Dallas? How are you doing this morning? Living
the dream? I mean to me too, well, I'm I've
been listening for a little bit. Um. I gotta agree
on the Kingdom. Um case Kingdom. I don't believe if
you put a group Brees, they mean the playoffs. I
believe that my money is going on Brees and I'd

(56:48):
love to see the gambling uh become become legal. That
would be that would be really nice. I do draft
things now. Um. But on the college football in I
believe they got it right this year without Alabama going in,
And I also agree with you on the Power five conferences.
I think they would change the playoffs. Yeah, look, I

(57:12):
appreciate the call it. Here's what I would say on
the college football long range future. We need an eight
team playoff. And so people say, oh, there's always gonna
be somebody upset over the ninth team that doesn't get in.
I don't think so. As you expand the playoff, the
discuss diminishes substantially. How long do people talk about the
teams that get left out of the n c Double
A tournament a short amount of time and then we're

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onto the tournament. Here's what I would do. I think
that if you're going to have five power conference leagues,
you can't have a four team playoff because on its face,
you're gonna be leaving one of those leagues out every year.
So put all five conference champs in every year. Then
you have two wild cards and you have one at
large that would go to the best Nonpower five team.

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So this year, for instance, you would take Central Florida,
and Central Florida would be in probably as your eight seed,
and they would play against your overall number one, which,
assuming the Playoff Committee rankings would still be used for
going one day eight, your number one overall seed would
be Clemson, so Central Florida would be traveling to Clemson
to play that game. Your two seed would be obviously

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Oklahoma hosting a game in Norman, your three would be
Georgia hosting a game in Athens, and your four would
be Alabama hosting a game in Tuscaloosa. And so you
would play the quarterfinal round on campus. Would be amazing.
You play it in mid December, so you have the
conference title games the first weekend of the of the

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of December. Then you go two weeks and you play
the quarterfinal round, and then you just pick up the
rest of the season. You play New Year's Eve the semifinals,
and then you play the title game on January eighth, ninth, tenth,
whatever that date is. And you've got eight teams that
are playing and it works flawlessly. I think that's the solution.
So you would have every game mattering a great deal

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instead of the Pac twelve game sitting out there where USC.
Would you like to see Sam Donald play in the
College football Playoff? I would. I'd like to see what
USC could do in the college football playoff. Wouldn't you
like to see, uh something matter about the Big Ten
title game? Wouldn't you like to see Ohio State still
get a chance? Yeah? Look, if they win the Big
Ten title, I think they would deserve it. So that

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would be my solution. It eliminates a lot of the
uncertainty and I think makes everything better in general. Uh,
that is that is my plan. We'll call it the
Travis Plan, the eight team college football playoff plan that
I think makes the most sense. All right, up next,
we're gonna play you some audio. We're gonna talk about
this Rob Gronkowski hit. Should he be suspended? It's gonna
be a big topic of discussion everywhere today across the

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NFL media landscape. How bad was it? What do we
think will pull? The crew will also take your calls
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A lot of attention being paid to Rob Gronkowski and

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the hit that he put on for Davious White in
his game against the Buffalo Bills. It was clearly a
cheap shot. Here is what Rob Gronkowski had to say
after that hit. If you haven't seen the video, I
would be first of all stunned because it's everywhere on
constant replay. But here is Rob Gronkowski trying to explain himself.

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Definitely more apologizing Number twenty seven. I'm not in the
business of that. I mean, there was a lot of frustration,
and uh, I was just really frustrated at that moment.
It just just happened naturally through emotions and frustration, and uh,
I just want to apologize Jadavious White. Um, I don't,
I don't don't don't really believe any type of shots

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like that, but just do the frustration process, game of football, emotions.
Just just what happened? What do you frustrated at the
top of the round? I mean, I felt like it
was it was a big hole at the top and
then the throw was definitely I mean, I felt like

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kind of pushed me a little bit, I mean and
made the play and I just don't understand why there
wasn't a flag and just do that. And there's a
couple of times in the game and they're calling me
for the craziest, craziest stuff ever and it's like crazy,
I mean, like one of I supposed to do and
then they don't call that. I mean, that was Rob

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Gronkowski trying to explain why he decided to dive right
at the uh at the defensive backs back and there
is a concussion. That's the latest on Tradavious White's health.
Is that correct? Anergy? Yeah? Correct, And they believe that
it's directly from that Gronk hit. Ye if that's true,
then I think he has to be suspended, right I

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I don't know how long you suspended for? How long?
Did what? What's the Jason Martin? Anybody know the history
here recently for clearly hits that were outside of the
bounds of acceptability? What's the two games? I'm thinking one
or two games? Or what's the what's the verdict here
on the jury? What do we think the outcomes should be?
I think in the perfect world, as long as whites out,

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Gronk should be. Uh. If you if you directly attribute
that play to it, which I do, I mean, it
was about as dirty as they come. He can say
that's not what you want to do. And I don't
believe that he's necessarily a dirty player either. But you
can't just say that he was upset that he got
pushed so he decided to go ahead and do this.
I want to say, what was it the hit that
Flacco took? Was that guy out too? And Danny true

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Ethan earlier this season as well. I can't remember, but
I think he was suspended for two games as well.
Did Trevathan get two games? I wasn't sure if it
was one game or two games. You can't make the
record how he's out for as long as the other
guys out, because what if he, you know, is out
for the rest of the season and gron doesn't get
to play the rest of the season. Um. I think
that that's always an interesting question. In the law, there's

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something called the thin skull rule, which was really kind
of interesting because you were responsible even if somebody had
a unique physical condition that you didn't foresee. And that's
the thin skull rules. So like, if you punched somebody
and they happened to have a thin skull and the
punch ordinarily would have just given somebody a black eye,

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but you know, like seriously damaged somebody because of the
thin skull, you were responsible for whatever damage you did.
And so this is an interesting question. You know, if
you do something outside the bounds of the rules and
somebody has substantially hurt for them, how long should you
be suspended. Mike Evans got one game for his one
Also Treviathan got one, So I think there's no way

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that Gronkowski gets more than one game, And I don't
know that it really impacts things for the Patriots if
he's only out one game and Clay you brought up
Flac of that, Alonso did not get suspended, remember, because
they decided it was a football play because Flacco was
kind of going for that first down. Yeah, I think
that was Jason who brought that up. But yeah, I
think one game is is basically the number that's going

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to be applied here. You're right, it definitely feels like
a one game suspension. And remember, like even in that
brawl that they got into between A. J. Green and
Jalen Ramsey, they got no suspension. They know they got
kicked out of the game, but it was already halftime,
so I need both of those guys didn't get to
finish the game, but they got no suspension at all
for that fight. So Mike Evans when he came in

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kind of out of nowhere and blindsided, uh, the the
guy who was feuding with Jamis Winston on the sideline,
I think that was Lattimore. I think that will likely
be the precedent that's applied here as well as the
Trevathan hit. And I think you'll get one game. Let's
bring in Eddie Garcia. Eddie, are you with us? You
think he's gonna get one game? Yeah? Absolutely, especially if

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that players can cussed absolutely is gonna get one game.
Let's check week. Third seed in the NFL. Sunday Night,
it was the Seahawks over the Eagles, twenty four to ten.
Seattle is now eight and four on the season. Philadelphia
is ten and two. Their nine game winning street comes
to an andle's focus on the a f C playoff picture.
Late Action Chargers over the Browns nineteen to ten, l
A six and six, and they're tied right now for

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the a f C West LEA, but they're the first
team on the outside looking in at the playoff picture
at the moment. Early Action Patriots beat the Bills twenty
three to three in New England's Tenant two. They've won
eight in a row, patch of the number one seed
in the a f C. Titans over the Texans Tennessee's
eight and four. They're the three seed. The Chiefs lose
to the Jets thirty thirty one, Kansas City holding onto
the fourth seed right now in that an f C
playoff picture. They've lost six of seven. Jaguars over the

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Colts thirty to ten. Jacksonvills eight and four. That the
number five seed in then f C playoffs and the
Ravens roll over the Lions forty four to twenty Baltimore
seven and five. They're holding onto the final wild cards
spot in the a f C and Clay in case
says some folks out there missed it checking the college
football coaching news from over the weekend. Gus malls On
is staying at Aubrey gets a new seven year, forty
nine million or deal. Scott Frost introduces Nebraska's new head coach.

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Arizona officially hires her Med Words as a new head coach.
We still have vacancies at Tennessee, Florida State, Arkansas and
now Central Florida. I don't blame you have good stuff there, Eddie.
I don't blame Arkansas for making a run at Gus Mallson.
I think that was the right move for them to
try to get him to come back. And by the way,
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which way is easier. Well, first of all, a couple
of things. One in that Rob Gronkowski apology. How about
the fact that he starts off by calling him number
twenty seven. I'd like to apologize the number twenty seven.
Now later he gets his name right. And I understand
a lot of football guys look at numbers more than

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maybe your average fan does because they're watching film and
they know the numbers sometimes a lot more than they
do the names. But you can't start off your apologize
apology if it's supposed to be heartfelt by saying I'd
like to apologize to number twenty two, number twenty seven.
Now later he got his name right. But that's like
really pretty funny standing by itself. Uh Now, let's circle

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back around. Gus Milson gets seven million dollars a year.
Arkansas still open, Florida State is still open. Tennessee is
still open. Now. Since we talked last, Tennessee has gone
through basically a civil war. They've reinstalled the new athletic
director there in Phil Fulmer, the former national championship winning coach.
Let me ask you this, why is Lane Kiffin getting

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no run for any of those three jobs? If and
I've said this before, but if you took out everything
Lane Kiffin did at Southern cal if you took out
everything he did at Tennessee as a head coach, and
if you took out everything he did at the Oakland
Raiders as a head coach, and you just looked at
his resume over the last four years, the three years

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offensive coordinator with Alabama, during which time he had a
different quarterback every year, and he went to the playoff
every year. With those guys, Blake Sims one year starter,
Jake Coker one year starter, Jalen Hurts one year starter.
All three of them went to the conference. It went

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to the playoffs. They lost to the eventual champ In
two of those years, they lost Ohio State. In his
first year they lost obviously a Clemson thirty five thirty
one final play of the game, the Hunter Renfro catch.
Last year in between they won the National championship. All
three of those years, all three new quarterbacks, record setting
Alabama offenses. And then this year he went to f

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a U a team that was three and nine, and
he turned that three and nine team into a ten
and three, nine and oh In Conference USA team in
one year. And he and Kendall Brile's revolutionized offense, melding
the Baylor offense with what Lane Kiffin called like schematic plays,
plays where you get a systemic advantage based on the

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way the line of the lineup of the play exists.
And they scored a ton of points. If you just
looked at the last four years, other than Scott Frost,
why isn't Lane Kiffin the number one coaching candidate in America? Now?
Maybe Arkansas is gonna hire Mike Norvell, maybe they're gonna
have hire Chad Morris. I don't begrudge them going after

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Gus miles on trying to bring him home, offering him
a lot of money. I think those are fine, five
fine hires. We don't know exactly what Tennessee is going
to do, because now you've got to recalibrate and reassess
with a brand new head coach and Phil Fulmer. But
to me, all those jobs, certainly you would have to

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make a call Florida State as well. To Lane Kiffin.
Now it looks like Willie Taggert is still going to
go to f s U, although he's kind of denied it.
The betting markets, according to odd Shark, had moved to
minus four hundred. The most recent one at least that
I saw about Willie Taggart going to UH Florida State,
but wouldn't at all three of those jobs. You have

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to call Layane Kiffin if you were doing your job
in a decent manner. I don't see how Lane Kiffin
is not the number two coaching Canada in America after
Scott Frost. Scott Frost, what he did at Central Florida
is remarkable. It was a hell of a game, by
the way, between Central Florida and Memphis five and double overtime.
Just an outstanding game to watch. I was actually late

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going to the SEC title game because I didn't want
to leave my hotel room. I was sitting watch it
was working. I was sitting watching that game, and I
just kept thinking, Okay, sooner or later, this game is
gonna end. I missed the first half of the first
quarter of the SEC game because I didn't want to
leave and miss the see what was gonna happen there?
I just couldn't wait to see. So that in and
of itself is pretty intriguing, honestly, that Lane Kiffin is

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not getting more respect to me as a top coaching candidate.
Are you guys with me? Or is that crazy? That
Wayne Kiffin is not getting more of intention. I mean,
I feel like I'm out here taking crazy pills. You
look at his last four years on the offensive side
of the ball. This guy can handle anything. I mean
a little bit of an offensive genius. And he's now

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taken over three and nine team and took him to
nine and oh in his conference and got him to
ten and three and year one. How would you not now,
Maybe they say, oh, I want to see him do
it for two years. Okay, he's gonna be good again
next year, but how could you not be impressed by that?
Even without having to consider what happened at usc what
happened at Tennessee and the Oakland Raiders. Just the last

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four years, he's the number two best coaching candidate in America.
I think any doubt about that? I mean, am I
taking crazy pills here? No? I mean I'm a big
Lane Kiffin fan. As you know, we we both agree
on that for sure. Um, you look at Scott Frost
a couple of years ago, that U c F team
was oh and twelve, and you see what he was

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able to do this year before he left, and as
you said, that was just an awesome game to watch.
Saturday just held a lot of fun to coaches that
are gonna be big names going forward. I would say,
but you look at Lane Kiffin, lane Kifn and what
he did at Alabama, what he's done at f a U,
another team that has struggled pretty much forever until he
gets there and starts to try and win. The problem
from Lane Kiffin, I would suggest, is the way his

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career moved. He failed forward. He was with a bad
Raiders team and he didn't coach them well. Then he
goes to Tennessee, leaves for USC, leaves Tennessee for a
bigger job at USC. USC doesn't work out, so he
goes to the top program in college football in Alabama.
Then he starts to turn it around, but not as
a head coach. Now he's at f a U. He's
kind of at this point trying to rebuild because he

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was too high on the step ladder, fell down the
step ladder, is now trying to climb it back up.
But if I'm Arkansas in particular, that's the one that
I continue to look at and don't understand why he's
not in play. I get it for Tennessee now because
Philip Fulmer is not getting high a Lane kifn. But
if you look at Florida State, even though I've said
from the beginning, taggarts going there, and it makes total sense.

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I just don't know why Lane Kivin's not getting more
run either, because that FAU team was not expected to
even be in the top half of a bad league
this year, and here they are champions of that league.
And you know, you go back and look at Lane
Kiffin's head coaching record. Now he's forty five and twenty four.
You know, he won ten games at USC his first
year at Tennessee, they were pretty good. Like I said,

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he beat Georgia, he beat South Carolina, he came within
a missed field goal of beating Alabama. Can recruit. He's
only forty two years old. That's the other crazy thing
is that Lane Kiffin seems like he should be a
lot older than he is. He's forty two. You know,
he's been around the block because he started so young,
and he got that first Raiders job I think when
he was like thirty two years old. But you break

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it down and he's the exact same age as Scott Frost,
and everybody's like, oh, Scott Frost is really a young guy. Now, well,
he and Lane Kiffin are the same age. Can you
believe that? Like Scott Frost who has obviously rebuilt Central
Florida uh and got him to twelve and oh he's
only been there two years, Lane Kiffin has been around

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for a decade. But he and Scott Frost are still
the same age. They're both young guys and I think
could win at incredibly high levels. And to meet Scott
Frost is one a Scott to me, Lane Kiffin should
be one beat. We'll talk about that more. Take your
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I told you guys that I thought Texas A and
M was going to hire jimbo Fisher. They made it official.
I think they have. They have They even made it official. Yeah,
I think today as the official press conference. I can't
even keep up with all the coaching news. Honestly, I've
been traveling so much, but I do know that Jimbo

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has officially landed in in Texas A and M. And
this was the reception that he received when he landed there.

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They had a red carpet and the band was playing
as he arrived. And look, I think the Aggie's got
a hell of a coach. And he got a lot
of money, seven and a half million a year on average,
and he left behind a national championship winning program at
Florida State. But what in the world is going to

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happen now at A and M Because Jimbo Fisher, Like
you start to look for a while, Nick Saban ran
off all the top coaches, and now I think we're
starting to get a recalibration where the SEC is restocking
in terms of coaches. Now, look, the SEC at the
top was already really good. Three of the top five

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teams in college football this year according to the oddsmakers
in Vegas were in the SEC Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia.
So you had three really good teams. Kirby Smart studied
under Nick Saban. Now looks like, man, he's really got
things rolling at Georgia. Jimbo Fisher studied under Nick Saban

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when he was still at L s U. Now at
A and M. Gotta make L s U feel a
little bit bad because he flirted with L s U
last year and ended up going to A and M.
But the quality of the coach, I think in the
SEC is back on the upswing now. The SEC East
a couple of years ago was a total joke in
terms of the overall talented conferences. Now I feel like

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Dan Mullen is gonna do really well at at Florida.
I feel like Will mush Champ is gonna do about
as well as you can do at South Carolina. I
feel like Tennessee is gonna make a good higher, though
we still have to wait and see exactly what they're
gonna do. Kirby Smart, as we said, already stepping it
up there and then in the SEC West miles on

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now staying behind for seven million a year. I think
he's pretty good, solid, not great. I think Jimbo is
gonna contend, And the big question is how many more
years is Nick Saban gonna have the Alabama dynasty? Because
right now, what I think you're seeing is other top
programs are angling for when they can kind of step
into the void. That's gonna be left by Nick Saban. Now,

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maybe there won't be avoid at all, and maybe what
is likely to happen is that Alabama is going to
remain Alabama, because I think the most likely higher for
Nick Saban when he decides to leave is Dabbo. And
you can make an argument right now, with Clemson having
gone to three straight champion to the playoff three straight years,

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playing Alabama for that matter, for three straight years, you
can make an argument that Debo Sweeney is now the
second best coach in college football. Not the most accomplis
because the second most accomplished coach in college football is
clearly Urban Meyer. But I think based on what he's
done the last three years and the quality of that
program that he's got rolling at Clemson, I think you
can make the argument that Debo Sweeney is the second

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best coach in college football right now. In fact, it's
one that I would make a dent and the best
obviously is Nick Saban. But if Dabbo beats Nick Saban
again this year, I think you can argue that the
current best coach in college football is Dabbo. I mean,
I think you can really legitimately argue that now Nick
Saban I think is going to be the most dominant
college football coach probably of our lifetimes. Alabama has been

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number one in the country in two thousand, eight, nine, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
at seventeen. That's ten straight years that at some point
in time Nick Saban has had the number one, number
one team in college football. That level of success is
unheard of, absolutely unheard of. Since his second season at Alabama,

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every year that Nick Saban has been with the Tide,
they have been ranked number one at some point in
the season. So that by itself is the story the
likes of which will probably never see again. But if
Dabbo could get that win, that would be a pretty
incredible statement. And I could maybe make the argument that
right now, not looking at multiple years, but just coming

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into the twenty eighteen season for next year, that Debo
Sweeney is the best coach in college football right now.
And what everybody else is waiting for in the SEC
is when Nick Saban is gonna leave. And I think
what Alabama is gonna be really fortunate for is they're
gonna hand the baton from Nick Saban to Debo Sweeney,
Because I think Debo will leave and come back to
Alabama eventually. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he'll stick at Clemson

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for years and years to come. But I think the
most likely outcome is when Alabama comes open, that Debo
is gonna leave and that Alabama is going to have
a perfect handoff between Nick Saban and Debo Sweeney, in
which case all these other SEC teams that are kind
of hiring right now with the hopes that maybe Nick
Saban only has four or five more years left, maybe
even left less. Who knows that Jimbo, Fisher, d A

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you for spending your Monday morning with us. I thought
I might have to come in on Monday morning and
tear into the College Football Playoff Committee. I thought there

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was a good chance that they might select Ohio State
as the fourth playoff team, despite the fact that Ohio
State had been blown out by clearly Iowa by thirty
one point seven and five Iowa, and despite the fact
that Oklahoma had beaten them by fifteen points in the
shoe early in the year. But the College Football Playoff

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Committee got it right. I think they got it right.
They got the four best teams given the entirety of
the season. I think Clemson number one seed certainly defensible.
I actually think that Georgia at twelve and one has
maybe the best resume in college football right now, because
Georgia has actually beaten more top FBS teams by more

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substantial margins than anybody else in the entire country. Georgia
has played I believe I'm correct in this eleven FBS
Big Five Conference teams, and they have gone ten and
one in those games, and the only game that they
lost was against Auburn, and they came back and beat
that team by twenty one on a neutral site field.

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So to me, Georgia is as good of a team
as there is in the kind tree right now, you
could arguably make Georgia the number one seed, but when
they're only four teams, I don't think the seating really
matters that much. I think the seating isn't that big
of a deal other than the fact that George is
getting shipped out to the Rose Bowl. But your top
four in the College Football Playoff committee Clemson the defending

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national champion, one, Oklahoma twelve and one interesting tweet Baker
Mayfield sent out last night too ever, posted my cell
number bravo, but I got it changed And to the
Georgia fans that had the kind words of encouragement, I
applaud your creativity. That is uh, that is Baker Mayfield

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evidently having his cell phone number leaked. He had to
get a new cell phone number. That's not ideal, but
Baker Mayfield out, they're breaking down that situation. Their number two,
George's number three, and Alabama's number four. And I think, frankly,
if you looked at the overall resume, Alabama went seven
and one against Bowl eligible teams. Ohio State went five

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and two. Alabama lost by twelve on the road against Auburn,
whereas Ohio State lost by fifteen and lost by thirty one.
Alabama was roughly the same against top twenty five caliber
opponents when you know, kind of break down exactly who's
gonna be in the top twenty five, And to me,
Vegas was probably dispositive here. Even if the people on

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the committee wouldn't say it, Vegas would have had Alabama
around a five and a half point favorite over Ohio State,
and the SEC would have been favored according to our
guy Todd Ferman, in ten of the fourteen head to
head matchups, if you'd gone one to fourteen SEC versus
Big Ten, the SEC's favored in ten, the Big ten

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is favored in three, and we have one push. So
I think the committee got it right. Now, there's still flaws,
and that's why I am of the opinion and have
continued to beat this drum. We need an eight team
college football playoff, and the eight team college football Playoff
needs to be made up of the five teams that
win their conference, two that are wild cards, and one

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is also the highest ranked non Big five team. So
this year it would be for instance, Central Florida. You
play those eight games, four games, eight teams on campus,
semi the quarterfinal round of the playoff takes place on
campus settings would be fantastic. I think it would set
up college football even better than it is right now.

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It would also end some of the difficulty and arguments
about how do we compare respective conferences? Is it better
to play nine games? How do you assess an eight
game conference slate? Should you be able to play FCS opponents?
What about playing a team in November, to step outside
a conference, to get a little bit of a breather.
All of those things would diminish I think in the

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event that we actually had an eight team college football playoff,
And it would also help to make sense of what
otherwise can be games that frankly shouldn't be played. And
I was talking with Colin Calhard yesterday about this, but
it's certainly true of a lot of different teams. Right
My argument has been, you should play, if you're a
top contender, the weakest FBS level competition you can outside

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of your conference. In other words, what do you gain
by really significantly challenging yourself? Let me give you an example.
What did USC game by playing Notre Dame? What did
Ohio State gain by playing Oklahoma? If neither one of
those teams had played those games. If Ohio State plays Akron,

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or they play Ohio, or they play some other MAX
school instead of Oklahoma, Ohio State is in the playoff.
If USC plays an FCS team, let's say they play
Mercer just like Alabama did instead of Notre Dame, then
USC at twelve and one is in the playoff. Wellvin one,

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Ohio State would have been in the playoff two. What
do you gain by major out of conference games? Auburn
lost a Clemson. Why does Auburn need to play Clemson?
Why frankly does Georgia need to play Notre Dame. It
doesn't make sense in an era where there's only four

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college football playoff teams. Big inner conference out of conference
major regional conflict games makes sense in an eight team
college college football era because then teams would schedule aggressively
because they would say, well, we can still win our
conference even if we lose a tough out of conference game.

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But if we win it, it gives us the opportunity
to still get one of those wild card games. As is,
if I were advising teams, I would say, do what
Wisconsin does. Look at wisconsin schedule. They are in the
Big ten West. It was a crap schedule and they
didn't supplement it with any major out of conference opponents.

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You have to break down Wisconsin schedule. Wisconsin's basically calling
the committee on its face and saying, hey, you're not
brave enough to leave a major conference champ out of
the playoff. And so look at what Wisconsin schedule was,
and tell me why they aren't geniuses for doing this.
You really can't control You're in conference schedule, right, everybody's

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got their obligations. Nobody can really change what they do there.
But when you actually look at wisconsin schedule, I was
doing this before the Big Ten championship game, and honestly,
I picked Wisconsin to make the playoff based on their schedule,
and they kind of look like geniuses, frankly, because you
look at everybody else, and everybody else is running around
and they're playing all these difficult out of conference games,

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and all they're doing frequently is eliminating themselves from being
able to contend. We geta who Wisconsin played in there
out of conference. They played Utah State, they played f AU,
and they played b y U. Now maybe b y
U they thought was gonna be decent. F AU ended
up being decent Utah State. I mean, those are three

(01:28:16):
games that they got to play that they were very
confident they were gonna win. Now they had to go
on the road against b y U, but otherwise the
rest of their schedule is the Big Ten. If you
go twelve and oh in the regular season and then
when the Big Ten title, like Wisconsin potentially almost did,

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they would have been in the playoff at thirteen and oh.
No matter what they're out of conference schedule would have
looked like. So this idea that out of conference schedules
matter is really not true when you really break it down. Now,
maybe the committee gave Alabama credit for playing Florida State
and said, you know what, if DeAndre Francois doesn't get hurt,
that's a nine win Florida State team. They've got top

(01:29:00):
twenty five talent, top ten talent. Even maybe that's true,
and if you watch that game, you knew that Florida
State was really good and that Alabama played them very
evenly until Alabama pulled away late. But that's kind of
my big takeaway here of why we need an eight
team college football playoff is because right now there's no

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real incentive to play a tough out of conference game
if I were setting schedules, and schedules, by the way,
get set so far in advance that you have no
real idea how good the teams typically that you're gonna
be playing against actually are, because these college football schedules
are sometimes booked a decade ago. So you've got this
game on the books and you think, oh, this team

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is gonna be amazing, and then they happen to have
cycled down. It's just hard to forecast exactly how good
somebody is gonna be. So that's my biggest takeaway. The
other thing is, procedurally we were set up for disaster here.
It seems as if we've avoided it because I haven't
heard that much criticism and by the eight open phone
lines eight seven seven six nine, and even think a

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lot of Ohio State fans are saying, you know what,
we weren't a championship team. The championship caliber team does
not go on the road and lose by thirty one
points and give up fifty five to Iowa. Once we
left that setting, we didn't deserve to play for a
championship anymore. And I think even Ohio State fans are

(01:30:27):
saying that on a rational basis. I gotta give credit
to a lot of Ohio State fans because they're saying, look,
I could defend our team in other years. This is
not a defensible team. J. C. Barrett is too erratic
from one moment to the next. He plays great, he
plays awful. This was not a championship team. We didn't
belong in there. So that is the College Football Playoff.

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The challenge here is that the Playoff Committee got it right.
But I just think having a thirteen person playoff committee
that's ultimately made up and this voting of only ten
because Frank Biemer had to excuse himself, recuse himself because
his son coaches at Georgia, and then we had the
athletic directors at Clemson and in Ohio State on this panel.

(01:31:11):
We shouldn't have sitting athletic directors. I've made this argument
for a long time. If it were my choice, I
would go back and just use the BCS rankings because
the BCS rankings weren't perfect. But the more teams you
expand to include, the better they get. And so far,
the College Football Playoff Committee has completely reinforced whatever the

(01:31:34):
rankings would have been in the BCS, So that in
and of itself is not ideal that we've gone to
basically a ten person committee, But to their credit, I
think they got it completely right. So that was the
big story in college football. We still have three jobs
open Tennessee, Florida State, and Arkansas. Gus Milson agrees to
stay at Auburn. He talks about it in his post

(01:31:57):
game and he was honest. He said, I hope to
stay at at Auburn, and he was able to, through
his agent Jimmy Sexton, work his way to a seven
million dollar a year pay day based on the way
that they handled negotiations there. So that was flawlessly. Play
in the NFL. The big question, I think, and this
is going to turn into the big question for the

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final month of the season as we work our way
through December. Do you or do you not believe in
the Minnesota Vikings. I think that's the most intriguing question
right now in the NFL because if you break down
the NFL standings right now and look at the playoff
picture in the NFC, the Vikings would be the overall
number one seed. Do you believe in the Vikings? Do

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you a little bit believe in the Eagles now in
the wake of their defeat last night against Russell Wilson
and the Seattle Seahawks, because both of those quarterbacks at
the top of the NFC are relatively unproven and in fact,
the top three quarterbacks in the NFC. You've got case Keenom,
You've got Carson Wentz, and you've got Jared Goff with

(01:33:02):
the Rams, those would be the top three scenes right
now versus two super Bowl winning quarterbacks New Orleans Saints
Drew Brees and obviously Russell Wilson, and then a near
super Bowl winning quarterback Carolina Panthers, Cam Newton, and then
Matt Ryan's right on the outside looking in. So will
some of these things continue to reverse themselves or is

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the NFC gonna roll into the playoffs with three unproven
guys at the top of that list with Case Keenom,
Carson went and Jared Goff will have to find out
two second year quarterbacks and a guy who's never really
established himself in the a f C. Again, I think
just about everybody out there would agree it's likely to
be Brady going up against Roethlisberger. Right now, the Patriots

(01:33:47):
are the number one seed. That's because the Steelers play tonight,
I believe, and the Steelers are playing against the Bengals
on the road tonight. We'll see what transpires in Cincinnati.
Is the Bengals try to get back to six and
six and stay in hall distance of the a f
C Wild Card picture, because obviously they're not gonna catch
the Steelers. So we'll see what happens there. But right now,

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I think most people would say it's Brady versus Roethlisberger,
and then the rest of the a f C playoff
pictures a little bit of a mess. The Titans, somehow
are eight and four. Derrick Henry with a walk off
seventy five yard running play to get another cover. It
was very similar to what he did against the Colts.
The Titans now gonna be on the road against Arizona.
We'll see what happens in that game. Kansas City's falling apart,

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and the a f C West is wide open. Effectively,
we have a three way tie at the top with
Kansas City, the Chargers, and the Raiders. I don't think
anybody out there believes at all in Blake Bordles, but
Jacksonville is eight and four and the Baltimore Ravens sitting
there starting to look pretty decent, honestly at seven and five.
So that is your NFL playoff picture. We talked a

(01:34:54):
lot about Gronk and whether or not he's gonna be
suspended for the hit. If you haven't seen that, we
think it's likely that he's going to get a one
game suspension. In that situation. We'll talk about all that.
Will open up the phone lines eight seven seven, six
three six nine. I am in d C. In about
forty five minutes. When this show ends, I am flipping

(01:35:14):
down the laptop and I am headed straight to the
Supreme Court for an argument that I think is going
to be integral to the future of sports gambling in
this country. And I'll talk about that a lot tomorrow.
But we're doing the show Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday from the
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us up here in d C for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Alright,

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what does the playoff picture look like in college football
in terms of whose favored to advance? I'll tell you
those ratings next. Who is favored to win the college
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the breakdown of the college football playoff and in the NFL. Yes,
and I again, I I come back to I know
the Steelers are playing tonight against the Bengals. I know
the Bengal has been playing better, but ultimately, I think
you're crazy if you believe that the a f C
is gonna come down to anything other than Ben Roethlisberger
against Tom Brady, assuming both those guys stay healthy. I

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think that's clearly where the a f C is going.
The NFC I'm a lot more uncertain about, because as
I just ran through the top three quarterbacks right now
in the NFC, haven't ever done it before, and I
was curious what the ratings look like in terms of
how the quarterbacks breakdown in last year for instance. And
I keep harping on this because I think it's significant

(01:38:35):
for the overall NFL product. But last year, all you
had to do was know who the best quarterbacks were,
and you knew who was gonna win every playoff game.
And I feel like we know who the best quarterbacks
are in the a f C and the answer is
Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger. So look, I think the
Titans and Marcus Mariota can be good one day. They
aren't there yet. I think Jacksonville is really good outside

(01:38:58):
of the quarterback position, but I have no faith in
Blake Bortles at all. I think whoever wins the a
f C West, as long as it's not the Chiefs,
I actually think they could win a game in the
playoffs and be competitive because I think, look, Philip Rivers
been doing it for a long time. He's very good.
There's no doubt about him. And I think Derek Carr
there's a lot of reason for optimism for him, notwithstanding

(01:39:20):
the fact that the Raiders got off to an awful
start this year. And then you know Joe Flacco. We've
been having a debate about whether or not he's elite forever.
That's the a f C, the NFC. I feel like
the bottom part of the playoffs were a hundred percent believers.
Everybody knows how good Drew Brees is, first ballot Hall
of Famer, Russell Wilson was phenomenal last night. Looks incredible
so far. Should have two Super Bowls but for bad

(01:39:42):
play calling by Pete Carroll at the goal line. We
know Cam Newton is good enough to get his team
to the Super Bowl because he's done it in his
MVP season, and certainly we know Matt Ryan is as well.
So all of those things are certain in the NFC.
Do we have faith in uh in the top Do
we have faith in case Keendom the number one overall

(01:40:02):
see in the NFC? I don't. Do we have faith
in Carson wins in the playoffs? I'm not sold on it.
Do we believe Jared Goff in the playoffs? That's the
top three in the NFC. So I wanted to know, like,
how are the brit what's the breakdown right now as
we come through the twelfth the week when it comes
to overall top passers, right like, what's the what's the
impact in terms of overall points added based on passing?

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And case Keendom is number two, right, Carson Wins number three,
Tom Brady four, Matt Ryan five, Dak Prescott six. Then
you get to Aaron Rodgers who's entered, Alex Smith, I
don't believe in him, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, Drew Brees,
Ben Roethlisberger, Marcus Mariotta. That's the top thirteen quarterbacks in
terms of points added. This is the NFL breakdown there.

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I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen.
And I understand that people out there, especially Vikings fans say, hey,
you should be believing in case Keenom. He's the real deal.
He's gonna make a tremendous difference when it comes to
the playoffs. I'm just not willing to believe that case
Keadom is gonna take a team to the playoffs based
on what I saw the past several years, when all
that matters is your quarterback play. Could I be wrong? Certainly?

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Eight seven, seven, nine, six three six nine. I'm rarely wrong,
but it does occasionally happen. Let's bring in Eddie Garcia
find out what's shaken in the world of sports, all right,
Clay Week three teen in the NFL on Saturday Night Football,
the Seahawks beat the Eagles to tend. Seattle is eight
and four, Philadelphia falls to ten and two, and their

(01:41:31):
nine game winning streak comes to it and focusing on
the ANC playoff picture, in the late action, Chargers beat
the Browns nineteen to ten. L A's six and six.
They're tied to the a f C West Lee, but
right now the first team out of the playoffs on
the a f C side. Early action Patriots beat the
Bills twenty three to three. New England is ten and two.
They've won eight in a row. They're the number one
seed in the a f C tightens over the Texans thirteen.

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Tennessee is eight and four, the three seed in the
a f C, who was the Chiefs losing to the
Jets thirty thirty one. Kansas City is now lost six
and seven. They're holding onto the fourth seed in the
a f C playoffs, but again tied with San Diego
to the top spot of the a f C. West
Jaguars over the Colts thirty to ten. Jacksonvills eight and
four to the five seed in the a f C,
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(01:42:37):
that feel like they just kind of threw him over
the middle and may let him take all the blame
for benching Eli and then now they're just gonna kick
him to the curb because they can be like, oh,
you know what, it was Ben McAdoo who benched Eli Manning.
It wasn't us. It just seems like a ridiculous decision
to me to let him make that decision. And it's
almost like, we're gonna fire you unless you bench Eli.

(01:42:59):
And then he does it and they fire him anyway.
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(01:43:20):
figuring out which way is easier. Jason Martin, who should
we go to Bob and Tennessee. Bob and Tennessee would
shake him in, Hey man, you heard it here first,
Siano to the giants. You know what that would be
an incredible higher, and and everybody out there who was
in the media saying, oh, Greg Ciano is such an

(01:43:41):
incredible opportunity for a coach, how come nobody else is
considering him. We got her Medais getting jobs out there.
Greg Cianno is not getting the job. That was a
bad higher. But I what a really call about claim
was a college football playoffs deal. It's my opinion that
you can lay all this terrible stuff at the feat
of Notre Dame what calls you know, they have always
been the team without a conference and we're too good

(01:44:03):
to have a conference, and we don't want to and
they've got this half asked relationship with the A, C,
C or whatever they got going on there. I'm convinced
they're the only reason that it's just not a clear cut.
If you win the conference, you're in the playoffs, no
questions asked. Well, the problem, thanks for the called The
problem is you set up an automatic issue. You have
five major conferences and there are four playoff spots, so

(01:44:25):
every year somebody is gonna be upset. This year, they
just happened to be two major conferences that are upset,
the Big Ten and the Pack twelve, and I think
the biggest takeaway here is going to be it pushes
us towards a system where all five major conference teams
get automatic jobs, that automatic spots in the playoff that
is automatic. You win your conference, you're in, and then

(01:44:48):
you take one of the non major Big five teams.
This year it would be Central Florida, and then you
have two wild cards. And I think that would be
a solution that would make pretty much everybody happy because
then you near conference are in this year. Ohio State
would be in this year. This year, there's no doubt
that um that that the Pack twelve champ in USC

(01:45:10):
would be in. Alabama would be one of the wild cards.
Central Florida would be in as the non major school.
And who do we think the other team that would
probably get in. Maybe Wisconsin would still get in even
though they lost to Ohio State. Anybody else argue for
any other at large team. If we were doing an
eight team playoff this year, you could argue for Miami.

(01:45:31):
I don't think Miami would get in. You could argue
for Penn State over Wisconsin. I don't think that's a
bad argument. In fact, I think so. My argument would
probably be that Penn State would be in. If you
had an eight team playoff this year, I think that
Penn State should be in over Wisconsin. Anybody not loved
the idea of an eight team playoff, like Jason Martin.
If we had right now one to eight, you know,

(01:45:54):
you got the five teams that won their conferences, and
so that would get that would guarantee you that Ohio
State and usc r N, So that's five, right, You're
one of your at large wild card bids would certainly
be Alabama, so that's six. You know that your top
ranked non Big five team would be Central Florida, and
I think probably your eight, your number eight team would

(01:46:18):
probably be Like you could make an argument that ten
and three Auburn should still go, but I think three
losses might be a bridge too far. Maybe Auburn gets
in at ten and three. I think certainly Penn State
would be in the mix, and I think Wisconsin would
be in the mix, and that would be your final
and I don't think there would be that much griping
over the eight teams that get in, and we'd roll

(01:46:38):
right into College of College playoff with four quarterfinal games
on campus. When we had Barrett Leam when you were
out of town and Jeff and I were hosting there
over the holiday. He said, the eight team playoffs the
dumbest idea in the history of college football. And you know,
we were kind of fighting back against it, and he says, well,
how many times would there have been a three loss

(01:46:59):
team that would have had have been in over the
last few years. I believe in an eight team playoff.
I think it would be great theater. I think to
do it in the way that it should be done.
We need to get rid of the conference championships, and
we need to get rid of divisions in various conferences.
So that wasn't play the easy schedule. That's what needs
to happen the eight team I agree with you that

(01:47:23):
divisions make no sense in college football. I think you
should just take the top two. I also agree with
you that conference title games frequently don't matter. For instance,
we knew without meeting Oklahoma to beat TCU again that
Oklahoma was the best team in the Big Twelve. There
was no sense for that to need to happen. We
knew already, without needing to see USC beat Stanford again,

(01:47:46):
that Stanford was the best team in the Pack twelve,
but those are big money makers, so I don't think
they're gonna go away. But if you eliminated divisions and
played the top two teams, then I think you would
be setting up even in an eight team And the reason,
by the way people out there say, oh, you're gonna
kill the regular season, No you're not. The same argument
was made about how you were going to kill the
regular season about the college football four team playoff, and

(01:48:09):
I think it's the best thing that's ever happened to
college football. I haven't seen the ratings, but I bet
the number of people watching the College Football Show on
Sunday to see who the fourth team was gonna be
was record breaking. I mean the amount of interest, the
amount of arguments, and everything else. Again, I think eight
teams just makes things a little bit better. I think
it's fairer. I think if you're waking up this morning

(01:48:31):
and you're a packed twelve fan, you would think it
was a lot fair. Yes, it might happen that you
end up with a three lost team playing for the
national championship, but that doesn't necessarily bother me. That really
doesn't because I'm used to the NFL, where twelve and
four is an incredible season in the NFL. You go
tenant two in college football, I think it's a pretty
dog gun good year eleven and two same thing. So

(01:48:52):
I have no issue whatsoever with that. I think an
eight team playoff just cleans up a lot of the
mess that we're dealing with other wise. So to me,
that's a decision that makes a lot of sense. Is
Willing Atlanta still holding there? Do we want to go
to him? Yeah? He's there. Let's go. Well what's up?
Tell you? What's up? Man? How you doing? Um? First

(01:49:15):
of all, two things, One I'm jealousis canna be you're
going to the Supreme Court. I hear that argument. That's
gonna be amazing. Um. And then to the intro music
every time you'll come out of break, says on Point.
I just wanted to say that to you, that the music. Yeah, yeah, dude,
I mean that that stuff is who I mean. I
laugh at it every morning. UM. I just had I

(01:49:38):
had two things that asked, real quick, have you heard
this is what I've heard? And I lived in Memphis
for a jillion years before I moved to Atlanta. Have
you heard that Arkansas has pitched a package for both
Norvelle and Tom Bowen to be the a D and
head coach at US A lot money. Yes, in Arkansas.

(01:50:01):
Have you heard that? I have heard that rumor. I
don't know it to be a percent certain, but Arkansas
has both an athletic director opening and a head coach opening,
and I know they were close to hiring somebody, I thought, right.
I don't think they've officially announced an athletic director yet,
And there have been rumors that they were potentially going
to put together a package deal to get memphisis athletic

(01:50:23):
director and their head coach. So that's that's at least
floating around out there as a possibility. Yeah, I mean
from what I'm getting the packages out there. But we'll
see what happens. And they would be smart, I think,
to do it. But they would also be smart to
go after Kiss, and anybody would be smart to go
after Kiss, and I think we know that now. I
don't know what Tennessee is going to do, what Filmer's

(01:50:44):
gonna do, and my guests would be he'll go back
to his old routes and do the T Martin thing,
But you know more about that than I do. Um,
And then my last thing I was gonna say, was
do you think the penalties that came down an old
miss were fair or a little too hard? I think
anybody who listens to this show knows that. I think
the n C Double A is the most immoral, corrupt,

(01:51:07):
indefensible organization in all sports. And so I don't have
a problem with a poor kid getting money to play
football when he's getting his ass kicked all over the
field and literally every snap his career could end. So
I'm not going to be the guy who sits around
and says, oh my god, I can't believe you were
paying anybody to come play football here. I think the

(01:51:28):
amount of money that's produced, and I think the loyalty
that guys show to their school is certainly worthy of
a better car than they would otherwise have or walking
around money. So, if you're the kind of person out
there who's listening to this show and you don't enjoy
college football because the top one of the top players
on the team is getting to drive a land Rover

(01:51:50):
that otherwise he wouldn't get to drive, or he's getting
to stay in a nicer apartment than otherwise you get
to stay in, why are you so anti capitalistic. I
believe in markets, and I believe in the right for
people who have allent to make money, and so everything
the n C double A does is predicated on keeping
that from happening. You think about what an improper benefit is.
It's essentially the n C double A making sure that

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a poor kid stays poor despite the fact that he
has the talent to make money. So I have zero
major concerns about n C double A related issues. I
don't think that that is and ugly, you know, I
think that's an ugly part of college athletics in general.
The power that the n C double A has um
So having said that, I think that Oldness will significantly

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have issues for the next couple of years ahead, particularly
because they're gonna lose their quarterback and he's going to
transfer away from Whole Miss. I think the talk is
that he's gonna go potentially to UH to Michigan, which
would be a hell of a gift for Jim Harbaugh,
who hasn't been able to find a quarterback who works.
I'll tell you this right now, say Patterson is outstanding.
If he can come back healthy and be able to

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play at a high level off of his injury, So
I think that's probably likely to happen, and they'll be
gutted for a few years, and it will take a while,
I think, for them to get back to being decent again.
I think it's probably a three year process. So that
would be my best guests on breaking down that situation.
In terms of what Tennessee is gonna do. I know
Phil Former well. I I wrote a book about his

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final year at Tennessee. I think there will be a
staff with Tennessee connections. Could it be less Miles with
t Martin as effectively a coach in waiting as the
offensive coordinator. Could it be Kevin Steele, the defensive coordinator
from UH from Auburn. I frankly don't know exactly what
Phil Former is going to do, but I do know

(01:53:38):
that he values loyalty, and he values connection to the university,
and he loves the University of Tennessee more than almost
anything in his life. So I think that hopefully is
going to right the ship and what has been an
incredibly conflict laden athletic department at Tennessee. The Greg Cianos
story was just a part of overall what's going on there.

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And I'll talk about that little bit more. Uh as
we talk about that, uh, coming forward, I gotta hop
out now. I'll tell you where I'm going next. Supreme
Court of the United States. Why am I going there?
Straight from this show? I think you're gonna be intrigued
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And that is going to be a pretty intriguing situation here. Okay,
what I am doing is I am heading straight to
the United States Supreme Court the minute this show ends,
and about seven or eight minutes, and there is a massive,
what I think is going to be incredible story surrounding

(01:55:06):
sports media and sports business here and a lot of
you out there listening right now. You gamble right, and
you gamble a lot of times outside of the state
of Nevada. Well, right now, under American law, since just
about every state in the United States is not allowed
to does not allow you to bet on football games.

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For instance, we just had a huge NFL weekend, a
huge college football weekend. If any of you bet on
it and you're outside the state of Nevada, you probably
broke American law based on the way that it is constructed.
Right now, now, lots of you think that's an utterly
absurd situation, because you're like, wait a minute, I can
buy lottery tickets. I can win up to a billion

(01:55:49):
dollars in a random lottery. I can buy scratch off
lottery tickets. Hell and a lot of the places where
you live, the NFL team in your market will sell
its logo to a scratch off littery lottery ticket company.
Yet because of this law, we can't have gambling outside
of the state of Nevada. The states that allowed gambling

(01:56:12):
to occur prior to well, state of New Jersey said,
we think that's ridiculous. We think we should be able
to offer a sports book with every major sporting event
being able to be bet on in Atlantic City, just
like we have all the other types of gambling, and
so far they have been struck down in terms of

(01:56:32):
their ability to do so well. New Jersey has appealed
all the way to the Supreme Court, and today, in
a little over an hour they will have an oral
argument in the Supreme Court about whether New Jersey has
the right to allow the citizens of its state to
gamble on sports. Now, obviously, I think everybody should have

(01:56:53):
that this right. I'm libertarian in many respects. I think
if you want to buy a lottery ticket, you should
be able to buy a lottery ticket. I think if
you want to play blackjack, you should be able to
play blackjack. I think if you believe you know who's
gonna win tonight between the Steelers and the Cincinnati Bengals,
you should be able to go by a place a

(01:57:14):
gambling bet on this without having to get on a
plane and fly all the way to Las Vegas. I
think state should have the rights to allow their individual
individual citizens to have that right. So that is my
theory in general. I'm not sure exactly whether it is
officially gonna happen, but I do know it is the

(01:57:35):
it is the right call, and it is uh. I
think something that is going to fundamentally change the way
that American sports is covered. We're gonna talk about this
sum tomorrow after I watched the arguments in front of
the Supreme Court. But I think the thing you should know,
kind of in the back of your mind as you
work your way through this process, is this is going
to change the way that sports are covered. Because if

(01:57:58):
you are a gambler, you know how much interest there
is in gambling. I would say this has the potential
to be the third biggest change to the way sports
are covered in many of our lives. The first was cable,
right and the ESPN s, which have been followed by
the fs ones and the NBC sports networks, and the
way that cable has come to dominate many of the

(01:58:19):
facets of our lives as sports fans. The other one
I would say is the rise of the Internet coupled
with the rise of fantasy football and how insanely popular
fantasy football became. Fantasy football exists for a long time
before the Internet took off, before Yahoo Sports perfected it,
but most people didn't do it because it required you

(01:58:40):
to hand score and hand keep up with everything that
was going on there. And now obviously on the Internet,
you can get real time dynamic scoring and nobody has
to actually do the work. All everybody has to do
is sit around and watch the scores as they come in,
and so nobody has to be the guy who gets
the scorecard and it's like, oh, how many yards out

(01:59:03):
was that touchdown? How many yards receiving did so and
so have, how many sacks? All that stuff. None of
it needs to happen. And so as a result, that's
gonna change things, I think fundamentally completely from the way
that they are right now. So that is that's gonna
be massive. I'm curious on you guys bringing the crew,
how many of you would gamble. Do you think there

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are people out there that would gamble if it were
legal in their states? Do you think that would substantially
increase the amount of gambling going on or do you
think it's always already happening and it's not really going
to change anything. I would go with that more so
than the first. I believe that the same thing with
drug legalization. If all of a sudden they legalized all
the drugs, that doesn't mean I'm gonna go out and
start taking cocaine because I can get it at Walgreen's.

(01:59:46):
It doesn't change anything. I think the people to do
it would continue to do it, and there's plenty of
people doing it right now. I don't think it would
really alter it that much. Thank you guys for hanging
with us. Thanks to Sirius XM for hosting us to
eighteen on Serious two O two on XM. Go down
download the podcast tomorrow. Lots of cool talk about this.
I'm excited. I'm headed straight to the Supreme Court to
see this argument, and I think it's gonna change sports

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substantially if we get the ruling that I anticipate to
allow every state to allow sports gambling. Thanks for hanging
with us here on OutKick the coverage

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