The Trial of the Century!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from the Geico Outkicks studios, where fifteen minutes could
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Geico dot com for a free rate quote. Well, yesterday
we had a lot of drama on the show It's
snowed in Nashville. There was a quarter inch of snow

(00:21):
on the ground and Jason Martin was unable to come
into work. Is Jason Martin here at work today? Jason Martin?
Are you? Are you here? I'm here? You made it
now for update on the on the situation. Yes, thank
you very much. It's good. It's good to know update

(00:45):
on the situation. Yesterday. We did end up with about
three inches of snow, at least at my house. You know,
the snow totals varied a variety of different places. I
took the family down uh some some sledding downhill Is
in the neighborhood. Uh So, there did end up a
substantial snowfall. Much of that snow still on the ground

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as it was very cold yesterday. But I believe the
roads were in pretty good shape. Were you in any
way validated by the amount of snow that eventually fell
and how much landed in your house? Outside your apartment,
Jason Martin, No, because I wasn't claiming that the snow
was the problem on the roads. It was all about

(01:29):
the windshields. How how was your windshield this morning? I
actually went outside yesterday afternoon around four or fifteen and
cleaned off all my glass completely, uh, defrosted it for
like a half hour, went out with the scraper, made
sure everything was taken care of, made sure the wipers
weren't actually frozen to the glass and any capacity either,

(01:50):
because I didn't know actually that it was gonna be
snowing this morning when I walked outside, but I was
trying to make it so that nothing. Yeah, it's actually
snow It snowed on the drive and it is indeed
knowing right now. So you're lucky to be expected. I
am very much lucky to be alive. But I wanted
to make sure that nothing would refreeze. If everything was
still on the glass, it would still have potentially been

(02:12):
a problem. So I went and handled it to make
sure that it wouldn't be an issue, and then just
rolled out today and what turned out to be three
degrees when I actually walked out of the house. That's
just like legitimate I don't know if the windshow made
it colder or not, but you know, I was bundled
up and ready to go, and there were still some
trouble spots out there. And mainly the only issue I
found on the roads was just my complex. Like there

(02:32):
was no plow. No plow actually made it to us yesterday.
So it's basically like I was driving through everything that
fell except what had been packed down, but like nothing
had been removed. So that was really the only issue.
Once I actually got onto a road, I didn't feel
too too much a danger. And what about your deferrost situation?
How is your defroster? It's fine, I mean actually went

(02:53):
too high. Like I said, I was putting it on
a d And one thing that I noticed yesterday that
that I did not have happened uh in the afternoon.
That happened in the morning is all of the air.
When I turned it on, defrost was blowing. Well, it
was blowing out of both spots I from what I
could tell, but it was also warming up the car.
And yesterday when I turned on the defrost on high,
I made sure that air was not coming through the

(03:14):
vents at all, and everything was actually coming through the defroster.
I think it was splitting yesterday in some capacity, so
that might have caused some of the issues. Some people
were tweeting and saying that defrost sometimes can't keep up
with the speed at certain temperatures unless it's on full blast,
and I thought it was on full blast, but it
may have been split and that could have caused the problem.
So I and I did what I could to make

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sure that we weren't going to have a repeat of yesterday,
because obviously I don't like not being at work. So
what was the response like for you on social media?
Was it the busiest day you've ever had on social media?
There have been three busy days that There were two
other busy days that I would compare to this one.

(03:56):
This one might have trump the political response, okay, and
the weight loss when I first wrote the article, those
would be the two. So you didn't actually write anything
this time? No, I did not write anything, and I
picked up somewhere around and when it's all said and done,
and it's still popping through somewhere around six hundred, six

(04:16):
hundred some followers uh yesterday on Twitter. The more days
you miss a work, the more likely you are to
become a superstar on social media. So this is this
is a bad feedback loop here, all right, So for
everybody out there, here is what we got planned for
the day. We're gonna talk to John Campbell as we

(04:37):
usually do. An hour one, We'll get you ready for
the a f C and the NFC Championship game from
the odd shark perspective, where's the money coming in. We'll
also talk about the four games that just passed, all
of those from a gambling perspective. An hour one, hour
two we will talk to Jeff Shortz. We'll talk about
the a f C and the NFC Championship games. Former
NFL offensive lineman. He joins us every single Wednesday, our

(04:58):
three wide open, no guests. What we are going to
do is have a trial of Jason Martin. I'm not
sure exactly how this is gonna work, but I'm going
to allow callers and myself and Danny g and Justin
to sit as part of a jury. I'm going to be,
as is usually the case, the judge, the jury, and

(05:19):
the executioner, but I will allow callers to call in
and make a case and or quiz Jason Martin on
his failure to show up at work yesterday because of
the weather conditions. That is what's coming in our three.
I got so much response from you guys that I
favored it several emails, and I thought I would hit

(05:40):
these off the top of the show here. Um, I
mean just deluged in emails from you guys jumping into
this situation from a variety of different perspectives. Uh, So
I thought I would read some of these. Mark Pagel
writes in and says, um, Jason Martin is a liar.

(06:01):
I live in Minnesota, and we just got five inches
of snow yesterday, and I have driven in every snowy
condition possible from minus twenty degrees to thirty. At no
point the snow hit your windshield and instantly freeze, making
it opaque or any adjective synonymous with that word. There
is literally a defrost button in your car created for

(06:21):
situations just like he described. Uh. Cheers to the Minneapolis miracle.
All right, Yeah, I understand that you're not happy with him.
Today's Today's Overkill on Jason Martin. Alan Fisher says, I'm
a lift driver in Nashville who goes out at four
am Monday to Friday and today, I experienced the same

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moisture freezing on my windshield between four and five am.
I stopped three times to scrape as de frost was
not melting it. But, as you sometimes do, you take
an interesting situation or not and beat it to death.
It appeared vicious after the initial humor war off about
fifteen minutes after you started. That is from Alan Fisher,

(07:06):
who is out there to fit your Yeah. Um. And
then we have Dan Eggber's who said I heard Jason's
excuse for missing work this morning as I brave the
icy conditions with the rest of America and thought, what
windshield wiper fluid can't freeze on your windshield? That's the
most ridiculous thing I've heard this week. Then this happened

(07:29):
see attached photo. As I sprayed to clean my windshield
something I've never seen before and just heard about today happened.
My windshield froze over with the fluid. Take it easy
on the guy, he may be onto something, Dan from Cincinnati,
And then he attached a picture of his windshield wiper
fluid frozen on his windshield. Wow. So yes, lots to

(07:54):
be lots to be concerned with. And uh and and
uh and and contemplate eating here. Now we also opened
up the phone line. And have you collated those voicemails?
I mean, I've pulled them all together. I'm going through
them now and editing them for content, because there's a
whole lot that's not okay to be played on terrestrial radio.

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But there are gonna be a whole lot of voice.
I mean, there's enough to do a thirty minutes segment
of nothing but voicemails. That's how many voicemails came through,
all calling me some variation of a woman or anyone
defend you on the voicemail line at all. A couple,
but I'm pretty sure they were like tongue in cheek
jokes at my expense. I think maybe one person may

(08:37):
have defended me out of like the plethora of voicemails
that I'm going through, I need to. I haven't heard
all of them yet, so I'm hoping there's a few
more decent human beings out there and understand what was
actually going down yesterday. But so far it's all a
bunch of monsters, all a bunch of monsters, all right,
So we will play those at the end of our

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one We'll say we'll kind of set up some time.
Does that makes sense or is that you need more
time than that. Well, I'll continue to work through and
we can maybe do it in stages, like maybe we
can do it each at the end of an hour,
at the end of a couple of hours. Maybe at
the end of our one and our two will play
different voicemail messages. And again we've got the trial and
our three, so we will take your calls in our three.

(09:19):
You could be thinking up questions, cross examinations. Yes, I will.
I will accept the punishment that gets laid down whatever
everyone comes to agreement with, and all that. The only
rules I would suggest are I'm not doing anything that
I deem immoral, and I'm not doing anything that involves
losing clothing. Other than that, those are your only two.

(09:41):
I'm afraid that I've forgotten something would go wearing at
an alligator pit. I mean, I'm not gonna kill myself.
I mean I'm not I'm not walking to Green Mile
because of this. All right here here, all right, we're
gonna get into We'll get into that an hour three.
I've got a question for everybody out there right now,
all right, I believe I believe like I've been watching

(10:04):
this play with Marcus Williams over and over again. Right,
we talked a lot about this on Monday, a little
bit maybe on Tuesday. I can't even remember the Marcus
Williams play. I believe that I could have made that play.
I watched the replay a bunch of times. I it's
not just that Marcus Williams made what might be for

(10:28):
the New Orleans Saints the worst play in the history
of the New Orleans Saints, probably maybe the worst play
in the history of any safety in the league when
you consider the circumstances and what was at stake. I
believe if you watch him on that play, he started
off big play about twenty twenty uh twenty yards from

(10:52):
the line of scrimmage. Okay, he was shadowing Digs on
that play, and he obviously did not want Digs to
end up deeper than him, and at least he managed
that without failure. Is it insane for me to believe
that I could have made that play? Now here's my
theory on why I believe I could have made that play.
All Right, I believe I could have made that play

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because at snap, here's what I would have done. If
I had been on the field suddenly transported in a
New Orleans Saints uniform, given the circumstances ten seconds to play,
I would have dropped immediately, like thirty yards off the
line of scrimmage, and I would have watched Digs and

(11:36):
just ensured that he didn't get behind me. So I'm
not gonna let somebody take the top off the defense.
I'm not gonna get most and knowing that if they
throw underneath worst case scenario, I am going to have
to react and make a play. I think the way
that ball was thrown, how high it was, if Marcus

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Williams had just jogged over there and waited for Digs
to come down to the ground, he was having to
jump so high to make that play that when he landed,
he was already out of sorts in terms of he
wasn't that much in control. It's not like he landed
and immediately took off. He had to put his hand
on the ground to avoid falling. I think I could

(12:19):
have just grabbed him at that point the minute he
hit the ground and he would have probably gone down,
and or I could have held onto him like Jeff
Van Gundy in the middle of the Miami Heat and
the New York Knicks game. And I think I would
have been able to hold him long enough for my
teammates to get there for us to make a tackle,

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because unlike Marcus Williams, I wouldn't have come in like
a bull in a china shop and wiped out everybody
else who could have made the tackle on the field there.
I would have found a way to hold onto him
until my teammates could get there to tackle him. Is
that a ridiculous idea. I'm gonna not start with you,
Jason Mark, because I'm sure you're just filled with anger

(13:02):
and recriminations and you're gonna be against me no matter what.
Let's start in l A with Danny g and uh
justin there today. What do you think about the idea
that I could have made the play and ended the
game against Stefon Diggs. Not just how bad the play
was by Marcus Williams, but me, as an average guy

(13:23):
out there, could have starting off twenty five or thirty
yards from the line of scrimmage, have just been able
as soon as the ball was in the air, to
rotate over to where he is and be able to
make that play. Is that a ridiculous idea on my
behalf to think that I could have made that play. Well,
we've seen you on periscope lift weights, so I'm a

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I'm a for a thirty eight year old father of
three with a website. There are a few people better
athletes than me. So you could have bumped him out
of bounds, all right, I'll give you that. Physically you
could have done it, but playing that far off of
the receivers. Remember, the Vikings were driving, although they weren't

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having an easy go of it, they were driving a
little bit, and all they needed was a field goal. Yeah,
but they had to throw it. They were They were
actually thirty nine yard line, I believe with that at
the snap of the ball, with ten seconds remaining in
the game. So at a bare minimum they needed what
they needed. I mean, if you add that they're not
gonna kick like a sixty seven yard they probably at

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fifty seven yards. At a bare minimum, they probably had
to complete a pass of like twenty seven yards on
that play, right, I mean, somebody do the math there
and figure out where the absolute worst place they could
be on that field to attempt a field goals probably
the forty yard line, so at a bare minimum, they
needed over twenty yards in order to go for that

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and an over twenty yard pass. Like again, I'm saying
I would have started off my defense at at least like,
you know, twenty some odd yards twenty five yards off
the line of scrimmage, so that I only had to
cover like four yards plus you know what side of
the field Diggs was on, So I would have been
slanted already to the side of the field that he's on,

(15:09):
like lined up with the idea of, Okay, I'm not
gonna let him beat me deep. So people are like, oh,
you're not very fast or everything else. I understand. That's
why I would analyze the situation. At the hand, I'm
at least twenty yards off the line of scrimmage. I'm
already lining up on his side, assuming that he's not
gonna run a total diagonal route, And if I see

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him start to run a diagonal route, then you know,
certainly I'm bailing. And but again, I'm far enough off
the line of scrimmage that it's relatively easy for me
to switch, you know, sides if I need to. But
he didn't bail. I mean, he went straight down his side,
I believe again I looked it up. There were three
receivers on his side, and Feeling was by himself on

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the other side. So they had Rudolph, they had digs,
and they had I think right on his side Feeling
on the other side. So there were four wideouts in
this play, and it was you know, he just went
basically ran like a steamer out. It looked like I mean,
basically just ran straight down the field. There wasn't anything
that extraordinary about that route, so I think I would

(16:14):
have been able to mirror him. As soon as he
started running deep. I would have obviously started running deep too,
And I think I probably at the time that he stopped,
would have been about ten yards behind wherever he was,
So I think as the ball was in the air,
I think I could have covered ten yards and been
there by the time that he came down. I think

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I could have been there present with him and just
wrapped up. I think I would have actually had a
good chance. With the other guys coming with me and
the fact that he landed clearly out of balance, I
think I would have had a good chance of actually
knocking him down in the field of play in conjunction
with the other guys. I think the game would have
run out. I think I could have won that game

(16:54):
for the Saints. Delusion. Why I don't even understand why
this this delusional? What do you think that I would
screw up about this play? Yeah? Like what because the
Football Park play? I know? I disagree completely. No, Look,
I mean they were they were playing they were playing
zone on that on that play right where they were

(17:15):
they playing his zone defense. I read I read the
breakdown and they said that he had him. That the
safety Marcus Williams had digs Man demand, Um, okay, yeah, exactly,
let's you an, He's gonna blow past you no matter what.
It's impossible. But that's why you have to consider the situation.
I'm starting twenty yards, so he catches it in front

(17:37):
of you and then he blows past you. There's no
way you're tackling him. Oh I think I would. There's
zero I would put my life. He would do move
and you would be planning there, like look at the
way that he landed. He landed and barely. He wouldn't
have to make the whole argument. He would be running free.
Keenan would have thrown and underneath him on the run

(17:59):
left in the If he throws it underneath, somebody else
makes the tackle because there are a bunch of guys underneath.
I said over you like a sprint. I'm going to
allow him to throw it over. Men do that. You
talk about how offensive linemen can run like a four
or seven, and no humans can can break a five.
That's like Jeff Schwartz could cover in better than you could.

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You will ask, no, no, no, you are not contemplating
starting twenty yards off the line of scrimmage. He has
to cover thirty yards in the time that I have
to cover ten. It's not that hard. You can stand
in the right spot, doesn't mean you can actually make
the play. It's a world class athlete, right, and you're not.
Marcus Williams misplayed that so badly that an average athlete

(18:45):
like me could have made that tackle. That's an elite
athlete that couldn't make that play. Digs would have shaken
you out of shoes. He didn't make the play because
he mentally broke down. I'm saying I would be stir
in the mental part of the game and I would
make the play. I don't even understand, like I think

(19:06):
of anything, right, mentally but physically, I just you would
get dominated. I know how to make the play. It
doesn't mean I'm capable of making I would. I would totally.
I'm saying. All I would do is I would be
there by the time he came down, and I would
make contact with him, and I would either not bounce
off also realize he shredded right like I mean, it's

(19:27):
like being hit by a cyborg like that. Anyways, athletes,
you or some dude that wears flip flops for a living,
you don't think that. So there's there's Is there anybody
out there who agrees with me that I could have
made this play? Eight seven seven N I'm telling you
I would have made that play. I think Schwartz might

(19:49):
believe that I would make that play too, not a
I think I would make the play. This is the
most ridiculous thing that's ever come out of your mouth.
How much I have done all of the research on this.
I watched like the still fame frame photography research. Yeah,
they had picks still fame still frame photography of like

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every second of this play, Like where the safety was.
I'm telling you I would he started over twenty yards
off the line, of scrimmage, all right, So he's twenty
yards behind Digs already, so he didn't need It's not
you know, there's only the only scenario here that he
needs to be concerned about is a pass of over
like twenty five yards. That's that's what you expect. And

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the only thing he needs to be worried about is
getting beat deep, right, The only thing has to worry
about is getting be deep. So he has to stay
behind the receiver, and he actually did that. His error
was once the ball was thrown, he mistimed his tackle
and came flying up totally out of control, put his
head down everything else. All I am saying is that

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I would be like ten yards behind Dig still at
the time the ball is thrown. When the ball is thrown,
I've got what do you think it took like a
second and a half for the ball to get to
uh Digs in the air? We need like a stopwatch
to break down this play. If you're within you know,
ten yards or so of that when the ball is

(21:18):
in the air, you can run in the direction of
where the guy is. He had to go way into
the air to make the catch. I'm not going to
even touch him. Until he comes down. If you watch
him come down, he almost falls when he goes when
he comes down because he had to jump so high
for the catch, he has to put a hand on
the ground to avoid going to the earth by himself.

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If he goes up like that, and I can get
to the place where he is by the time that
he comes down, if I make any contact with him
at all, I think he goes down and door. I
think I can hold on to him because there are
two Saints defensive backs within two or three yards of
that play that would immediately end up in the Maelstrom

(22:01):
in the in the bodies there, and as a result,
we would all be able to get him down. The
worst case scenario, he gets out of bounds and drags
us out of bounds. I think I could have made
the play eight seven seven six three six nine. Do
you agree? Do you have any faith at all in
my athleticism? Could I have made this play? Um? And

(22:21):
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rolling in poll question? Do you believe I could have

(23:03):
made contact with Stefon Diggs after his catch or helped
gain tackle him if I'd been playing safety for the
Saints Marcus Williams did neither of these things? Votes are
in What do you guys think the early votes are?
If if it's anything even close in your favor, then

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your listeners are more delusional than I thought. It is
right now three hundred people, four hundred people, It is
dead even fifty fifty, So you guys are just haters.
Do we have the the Taylor Swift? Do we have
that Taylor Swift? Haters get a hate song? Danny G

(23:45):
Do you have that song that we got our guy? Yep,
that's my skol Australian guy who decided to go swim
across the river and got attacked by the crocodile. I
don't know what's going on with your with your pull,
but just looking at the the reaction on Twitter that
the men ends, it's like more like ninety five to
five percent. That's because that's because people are haters. That's

(24:06):
people just don't believe in my athleticism. Maybe a little
bit of racism factored in here. They don't believe that
a white guy can tackle a black guy. I think
there may be some racism, even though Harrison Smith's in
the secondary for the vikings, maybe a little late in racism.
You could have got your Jason horn On or my
Harrison Smith I said. I said, you could have bumped
him out of bounds. But that's if you are like

(24:27):
Star Trek transported to that exact spot and moment, Because
as a listener just tweeted, they would have audible at
the line of scrimmage when they saw you, and they
would have been like running past Travis. That's racism because
they're seeing a white guy and they're thinking he got
no deep speed. I'm gonna call I'm I'm gonna tweet
out my boy dustin Fox and get him to call

(24:48):
in and put you in your place. That's what I'm
gonna I think that you guys are not thinking about,
like what the only thing that I have in my
favor here, all right, here's what I have in my favor.
I am a great situational guy. I know what is
likely to happen, and what I need to avoid is
the worst thing that could happen to me. The worst
thing that could happen to me is I have to

(25:09):
run ever stride for stride with Stefon Diggs because I
know that he would dust me, which is why I
am starting at least twenty yards off the line of scrimmage,
which is where Marcus Williams was. He didn't actually have
to cover that much ground on this play because his
goal is to make sure that he doesn't get beaten

(25:30):
deep in the event that they're going to try to
run a hell Mary play from the thirty nine right
nine question. Yes, what about the idea that you have
no idea if they're even gonna throw it two digs
before it's actually in the air. Well, that's why hold on.
That's why I read his responsibility on that play. His
responsibility on that play was that he had Digs, all right,

(25:52):
So if you look at that situation, my hope would
be if they throw underneath that the way the clock
is set up, it's gonna be almost impossible because everybody
the minute that the pass is completed, anybody that is
not covering um the you know, recognizes that their guy
doesn't have the ball, is gonna try to tackle Digs.

(26:13):
So if they throw underneath let's say like ten yards,
then it's unlikely that he's gonna be able to gain
that much yardage because everybody else is bailing going deep too. Um.
So uh that that's kind of my my thought in
general here, right, I mean, I just don't think there's
any difficulty at all. Is Eddie Garcia wants to weigh in? Oh? Sorry,

(26:37):
I thought Eddie wanted to weigh in particularly on this,
but we got loaded lines. What do you think it's
fifty fifty You you were a soccer player, right, Uh?
Well that sounds like it's gonna be an insult um,
But yes, I play soccer, So no, you're not going
to make a soccer players are graded making slide tackles.
I mean again, I I am for people for people

(27:00):
out there who want to know my height in a way,
I think that's a fair question that nobody has asked.
I am six ft about one eight alright, six ft
one eight ish um. I run about a five six
in the forty alright, But I'm not gonna have to
cover very much ground. I think I would only have
to cover about ten yards in this play the way
that the play developed. And I think I can be

(27:23):
standing there at the moment when Diggs comes back down
and immediately make contact with him, and I think if
I just wrap him up. I think if I hit
him at all, he's gonna go to the ground because
he almost fell just coming down with the catch. Yeah,
I think you have no chance in hell of Yeah,
well that's because you're a hater. Give us enough and
it'll see what Jeff Schwartz has to say about this.

(27:43):
Let's start with the game of the night in the
n b A, Pelicans go to Boston beat the top
team in the Eastern Conference, Celtics one six, one third
and overtime. Anthony Davis leading New Orleans with forty points
and sixteen rebounds, boston seven game winning streak comes to
an end. College basketball, we had a battle of ranked teams,
with number fifteen North Carolina being in twenty Climpson eighty
seven seventy nine. A couple of upsets in the top

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Kansas State meets number four Oklahoma eight seven sixty nine
South Carolina. It's number eighteen Kentucky seventy six to sixty eight.
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(28:27):
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(28:50):
even if we can finish the show. Now let's bring
in as John Campbell ready to go. Do we have him?
All right, John Campbell, We'll start off with the important question,
and by the way, we've got loaded lines. I'll go
to several of you guys when we come back for
the final segments. So if you were queued up, if
Jason Martin has got you and qu waiting to talk,
we will go to you in the final segment of
the show. Starting question, John Campbell, If I were on

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the field at the end of the Vikings and the
UH and the Saints game, and I were in Marcus
Williams body, and or I'm on the field and my
body uh, we should say my body, I'm on the
field and I am on the field, could I make
the tackle or make contact with Stefon Diggs on that play? Yeah? Absolutely, absolutely,

(29:37):
anybody could have. Anybody could have literally standing there and
just getting in the way would have been better than
what he did. I mean, you could do almost anything
that would be better than Marcus Williams. That's my point.
How bad he played. It is so bad that I
could have played better safety than him on that play.
And about half the people agree with you, even though
everybody in the show hates me and it's just big haters. Um.

(30:01):
And so all right, let's come into these NFC and
a f C championship games. Where is the money going?
What value, if any do you see in these games? Well, Uh,
with the Jagson Patriots, there's some money coming back in
on the Patriots, and and of course they're always a
popular play here in the playoffs, the lines move back
up to nine and a half from nine here. Do

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you think you can go to ten or do you
think it's as high as it's gonna go. I don't
think so. I think books will see a lot of
sharp action at ten if if they go that high.
So I don't think it's going to go there, but
I think there. I think sports books are more than
happy to take his side with Jacksonville the same way
they were last week. Uh, one of the top defenses
in the NFL getting more than a touchdown here. Uh

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with nine and a half points, that's a lot of
points here. And I think there's a lot of value
with Jacksonville. If you can rush the ball and cover
the past, you have a good shot against the Patriots.
And and and the Pats lost two of the three
games this year against the best rushing yards teams that
they saw that that were the best rushing teams. So

(31:07):
Ksey and Carolina we're both in the top ten in
yards per rush. So if you can do that, if
you can get a rush game going and stop the pass,
I think there's a lot of value here in Jacksonville
and they can do both those things, all right. What
about the NFC championship game between the Vikings and the
and the Eagles. Vikings are three and a half point

(31:27):
favorites here, and and it's a low total at thirty
eight and a half. This is actually the lowest total
we've seen in the conference championships since two thousand and eleven.
So low total, a lot of people expecting it to
be low scoring. I think books are getting a little
bit too cute with this line at three and a half.
I don't think it's going to move. I think that
there's some public perception built into this. This line should

(31:50):
probably be a little bit lower. But they know the
public is going to come in on on the Vikings here,
and I think that's right. I think that's right with U.
With Carson Wentz out, the Eagles have only average two
seventy totally, totally aards per game, which would be the
worst in the NFL in total offense if that was
applied over the whole season. That's going up against the

(32:10):
best defense in the NFL. I think the Eagles are
in big trouble here, but don't sweat the hook here.
I know that makes a lot of people uncomfortable with
the number at three and a half instead of three,
But I really like Minnesota and this one too, okay,
And if you'd like Minnesota, you're going against the prevailing current,
which has been the NFL playoffs so far where the
underdog is seven and one. The only game that the

(32:32):
underdog is covered is the Patriots over the Titans so
far in the playoffs. Have you ever seen anything like
this where the underdogs come out and uh and in
what is usually a fairly efficient market in the NFL,
that's a pretty amazing situation to have the underdog be
seven and one. Yeah, it really is. And we've never
seen anything like this. This is the best underdog performance

(32:53):
we've ever seen in the playoffs at seven and one
against the spread so far through the through eight games
in two thousands six, we saw them go six and
two against the spread through eight games and we saw
them go five and one against the spread when they
only play two wild card games. But but this is crazy.
We've never seen anything like it. I think they'll go
one on one dog this week. Final question for you,

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what is your position on Jason Martin not being able
to come into work as a Canadian? Uh, it was
very sad. I want to thank you guys for making
my morning yesterday. And uh, I couldn't wait to keep
the pictures of how much snow went down. That was
pretty sad, buddy, I love you j Mar, but that
was pretty pathetic. All right. That is John Campbell. Go

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follow him on Twitter at Johnny odd Shark. You can
check out the breakdown of the NFC and the a
f C Championship games as well at odd shark dot
com if you're in the gambling business. All right, so
we will take all of your calls about whether or
not I can make the tackle to to close out
the hour eight seven, seven, six, three, six nine, and
then a top of hour two we'll go back into

(33:57):
the n f C a f C Championship games. Continue
to take your calls, and then Jeff Shortz will join us.
And then remember an hour three. It's the trial of
Jason Martin for his failure to show up at work
yesterday because there was a quarter inch of snow and
because his windshield was not able to defrost. We will
take your calls in our three for the first ever

(34:17):
live trial of Jason Martin to receive punishment for his misdoings.
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A lot of disdain, lots of disrespect flowing my way
from the crew here. Do you believe I could have
made contact with Stefon Diggs after his catch or helped
gang tackle him if I had been playing safety for
the Saints. Lots of you out there agree with me,

(35:01):
almost frankly, a perfect poll question of you are saying yes,
fifty of you are saying no. Jason Martin to people
want to weigh in out here? Is this what the
calls are about? Or are they wanting to ridicule you us. Well,
it's about half and half the ones in order we'll
talk about both things and then if you will just

(35:22):
talk about me, all right, let's go to JP and Phoenix.
What's up? JPS just wanted to start off with that
excellent and uh, I agree with you and the reason
why he was When I was in high school, I
was five eight prompt and they're like a fourth page,

(35:42):
not that at all compared to these days. And there
was a dude that I was playing against. I was
a part returner. He was a d one dude getting
recruit to by Connecticut six one twenty and he was
a punter. They ran up stake plant and all my
coaches said that whole game is just getting one of
them make contact. Yep, they were in that game, and

(36:02):
the dude those that hell out of me. I saw
my second grade teacher fast before my eyes. The other
dude that was with me on the perport turn because
she ended up tackling with just getting in the band
way and we herd the tackle. So I'm I'm with you,
and another dude was gonna ask you tackle. Bro. Thank you,

(36:25):
Thank you for the support. JP, Thank you for loving boobs.
I'm telling you, people are not breaking this down and
in the question is not whether I can make the tackle,
the question is whether I can get to the place
that That's the way. Again, I'm pretty logical in the
way I think about this, and the way I'm thinking
about it is I'm starting twenty or twenty five yards

(36:45):
off the line of scrimmage, so he has to run
at a full sprint to me in order to even
be able to reach where I am, even if I
don't move. And what he is doing is running like
a basic like curl route set and you know, whatever
you want to call it, to try to get close
to the line of scrimmage and make that catch. Because
he's not thinking, oh, I'm gonna be able to make

(37:08):
a touchdown on this play. He's thinking, I just want
to make this catch and then get out of bounds.
And the throw was so high that he had to
be an incredible athlete and an incredible wide receiver to
even be able to get up to make the catch.
And once he's in the air, I'm saying that as
the ball is in the air and the time that
he's in the air and all those things, that's probably

(37:30):
about two seconds, is my guess. And so if I
can be within ten yards of him, just ten yards.
So if I'm ten yards behind him, then all I
have to do at that point in time is just
advanced to where he is in the air and the
moment that he comes down, I think if I make
contact with him, if you see the way he landed,

(37:52):
he had to immediately use his hand to hold himself up.
I think if I just go right into his legs,
just dive right at his legs and wrap up trying
to be like Jeff van Gundy and just hold on
to him. I think if I hit him the other
two guys there, I wouldn't take him out like a
bowling ball. I think we make the tackle, and I think,

(38:12):
worst case scenario, he bounces out of the tackle and
is able to drag us and get out of bounds.
Let's go to Rod in Bakersville, California. What's upright? Good morning, play,
great show? Appreciate Uh? What gets me here is uh?
J Mark miss jest because a bad winch show. I think,
to your home, still dreaming, bub Uh. You know, for

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one thing, you wouldn't have got there fast enough to
make that see I don't rememb breaking down the physics.
But if you would have, would drove in the ground
like a nail and they'd still be digging you out. Now,
I see, I think that's wrong. I think that's right.
What is Stefon Diggs height and weight? Is he like
six to twenty? I mean, it's not like this guy.
I would agree if it's like some three pound d

(38:55):
tackle that I'm trying to tackle and he's just gonna
run me over, I would totally agree. You're okay if
you don't think that, if you don't think that I
can get there, I understand that argument. That to me,
Thanks for the call. That, to me is the key
of this. The key to this is, and we're gonna
I can't take any more calls, but eight seven seven
six six three six nine, if you want to weigh

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in eight seven seven nine six three six nine. The
key to this is, can I be essentially within ten
yards of him when he is going up to catch
the ball? My argument is I'm gonna be ten yards
behind him, and that while that ball is in the air,
and while he's up in the air catching it and
coming back down, I'm saying that that's gonna take around

(39:38):
one and a half to two seconds, and so as
a result, I can cover ten yards and be standing
there when he comes down to make the tackle. And
by the way, if I got directly beneath him and
he just landed on top of me, he would fall
right because I mean his legs would come out from
underneath him. So if I just could get underneath him,

(39:58):
then I'd be able to get him. I don't think
there's a need out all right, eight seven, seven, three
six nine. Half of you agree with me, half of
you are right, the other half of wrong. On OutKick
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Gonna be joined by Jeff Schwartz to break down the

(40:20):
NFC in the a f C and whether or not
I could tackle Stefon Diggs in the open field better
than Marcus Williams certainly did at the end of the game. Uh. Last,
what's Sunday? So a couple of days ago. Alright, So
my argument for those of you out there who have
not heard it, and by the way, for the roadmap
for the final two hours of the show. We're gonna

(40:40):
talk to Jeff Schwartz. Next segment, we will play some
of your voicemail calls to Jason Martin over his failure
to get to work yesterday and an hour three. Just
go ahead and call your bosses right now say I
can't come in. Sorry, I was gonna come into work early.
I was gonna come into work on time, but this
show out kicked of coverage I've listened to in the morning.

(41:01):
They're having a trial of Jason Martin, the producer on
the show, because he couldn't come in for weather related concerns.
We're gonna have a trial that ends in a punishment
for Jason Martin potentially or maybe he will be acquitted
of all charges. We don't know. Never done a listener
trial before in our three I have no idea how
this is gonna go. It could be a disaster. Poll

(41:22):
question up for the day, poll question which thousands of
you are reacting to and weighing in on. It's a
good poll question, it's an outstanding poll question. Do you
believe I could have made contact with Stefon Diggs after
his catch or helped gain tackle him if I had
been playing safety for the Saints. Thousands of you weighing
in right now, despite the lack of respect for my

(41:43):
athleticism on the show where no one has any faith
in me at all, of you agree with me and
say yes, I could have made contact with him after
the catch, or I could have helped gain tackle him
if I'd been playing safety for the Saints. Now we
have his height and weight, and I don't know it
was that who who to his height and weight in
the in the g chack guys, what is this height
and weight? Yeah, six funds. So he's listed at six fee,

(42:10):
which means he's probably a little bit. He's probably like
five eleven, but he's listed at six ft. I am
a legit six ft alright. If I were at the combine,
I would list at six ft and have the same
muscle masses, exact muscle mass. There's no doubt that he
is stronger than I am and in much better shape.
I'm a thirty year eight, thirty eight year old dad

(42:30):
of three, but I'm not in awful shape for thirty
eight year old man. I'm probably I'm I'm probably in
better shape, certainly than the average thirty eight year old man, alright,
like but not in like It's not like I'm in
triathlon shape or anything like that. I would put myself
solidly in the like sixty five percent dial of health.

(42:51):
And that might mean that I die tomorrow of a
heart attack. But I mean I go to the gym
three or four times a week. Um, I can you
know on a mile without dying? Um? You know, which
I would say probably puts me in, you know, like
the sixty percent dial. If you put me in there
with married dad's of three, i'man like the nine percent dial.
The more kids you have, the worst your health is.

(43:13):
So but for average thirty eight year old guys out there,
I'm in the sixty percent dial. Let's say, overall raw athleticism,
I would say I'm probably about a sixty percent dial guy.
Not gonna pretend that I'm some incredible athlete, but I'm
more athletic, I think, than the average guy would be.
And certainly, and people say, oh, how do you like?
The average Like the worst athletes don't do anything right.

(43:36):
So if I were playing pickup basketball, I would be
better than the average guy playing pickup basketball in the gym,
like kind of putting that into context for everybody out there.
So I'm like, I'm gonna claim that I'm some incredible athlete.
My argument essentially boils down. And I think, really, if
you just take me out of the equation, because everybody
is predisposed to automatically hate me on the show, and

(43:57):
everybody is predisposed out there a lot of haters in
the universe, and you just logically walk through this, and
I think, I think Jeff Schwartz is gonna come down
on my side here. I really do when he thinks
about it. Because your natural inclination is to say there's
no way you could do it. You have to think
about situational football. In this situation, Marcus Williams is over
twenty yards off the line of scrimmage at snap. Okay,

(44:20):
so that means if he didn't move at all, it
would take Stefen Diggs, even running full speed sprint, about
two seconds to reach him at all. Okay, at the
absolute best, more like two and a half seconds. So
even if he didn't move at all, it would take
Stefen Diggs about two and a half seconds to just
sprint full on and reach where Marcus Williams was at

(44:44):
the time that the ball was snapped. So and naturally,
if Marcus Williams is gonna see a receiver running at
him full speed, given that he has a twenty yard
head start, he's gonna start to backpedal and slowly pick
up his own speed as that play is the veloping.
What I would have done is I would have started
even further off the line of scrimmage. Let's say I

(45:06):
would have been twenty five yards off the line of scrimmage,
because I'm obviously needing even more help, and the ball
ultimately is thrown, I believe thirty five yards ish in
the air is where Stefon Diggs catches it. So all
I'm saying is Digs ran straight down the same side
of the field that he was already on. Effectively, I'd

(45:27):
only have to cover about twelve yards over the entirety
of that play in order to find myself right there
at the point where Diggs was when he came down
to the ground. My position on this is straightforward. I
could get there, that's the only question. He didn't have
to cover that much ground, and I would be again

(45:48):
coming from behind him, so the play would all be
occurring in front of me. So the moment that Dig
stops and the ball is in the air, I am
going to start to move in that direc action. And
I believe by the time he came down to the ground,
I could be standing there to make contact with him.
I don't even I don't even think it's that. I've

(46:08):
had a lot of ridiculous opinions before. I don't even
think this is that ridiculous of an opinion. Like, now
that I've made that case, just what what part of
this do you guys find to be incomprehensible of this? Like,
if you don't think I can get there, I think
the physics of it are not that complicated. I think again,
if you think about again. I looked at the they

(46:30):
had still famed still frame photography online. I'm fascinated by
this play. I'm like, how did how did Marcus Williams
blow this so much? I think what happened here is
he was being way too aggressive. All he had to
do was time this such that he's there to get
his hands on Digs the moment that he comes down.

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I think that Williams overplayed this to a large extent
because he was trying to blow up the past when
all he needed to do was just be there to
make the tackle, not even worry about whether the catch
was made or not. Like that's the smart play. I'm
saying mentally, I'm gonna be in the right space here.
What's your disagreement? All right, Well, there's two things here.

(47:13):
First of all, I believe, like when he actually caught
the past, when he got his hands on the football,
there was about five seconds left. So I don't think
as the safety. As a defender, you can be sitting
there thinking, I can't worry about him completing the catch,
because what if he completes the catch and happens to
get out of bounds, Like then now they're gonna you

(47:35):
have to again, I think Marcus Williams play there needs
to be he has to have faith in his ability
to make the tackle on the receiver. Once he catches
the ball. All that matters from a Marcus Williams perspective
is not whether the ball is caught at all. In fact,
you want the guy to catch the ball because if
he catches the ball in the field of play and
it's not like he barely got two feet down and

(47:57):
then was gonna go directly out of bounds, he clearly
was inbounds inbound and play, and so I think the
challenge would be if you're Marcus Williams keeping him from
getting out of bounds, and I think you have to
have confidence that you can tackle a receiver who was
worried about catching the football and not worry about you know, like,
first of all, the idea that he's gonna go then

(48:18):
catch the ball and continue down the field and score
is not. It's impossible if you are there too in
any way make contact with him, because he's gonna recognize
that the clock is gonna run out if he tries
to run down the field, and in fact, the clock
ran out before he scored. So if there have been
anybody there, for instance, inside the ten yard line to
tackle him, then that play wouldn't have even been able

(48:40):
to happen. And again, the guys that he took out
like a bowling ball directly behind him are going to
immediately react to the catch being made and be there
with him to gain tackle. See my position is, if
I make contact with him at all, then there are
two more New Orleans Saints guys who are there before
the tack all is even resolved to ensure that I

(49:02):
get him down, but I think he's so out of
balance when he comes down again. If you watch that play,
when he lands, he has to put his hand down
to ensure that he doesn't fall because he had to
jump so high to catch the ball. I think, you know,
like worst case scenario, if I could get there, if
I just put myself directly underneath him, I think I

(49:22):
tackle him because he's gonna land on me right like
the odds are if I get underneath him, like he's
way up in the air. If I just get underneath
him and in any way make contact with him, God forbid.
If I'm close enough, I can just take his legs
out from underneath him once he catches I don't even
have to make a tackle again. This guy is the
same size as me, So if I just come through

(49:42):
and hit his legs after he catches it, then he's
gonna go down. There's no way he's gonna land. I.
I think the key here that you guys aren't thinking
about is can I get there. You're focused on him
being a better athlete than me. You're focused on all
these other things which are indisputably true. But if you
actually break down the physics of this play, I don't

(50:03):
think there's any doubt that I could get to the
place where the ball is being caught. Now, look, if
it's if it's they're gonna run like a straight fly pattern,
and he's gonna go all the way to the end zone.
Like there's no doubt that if the throw is perfect, like,
he's gonna make the catch, and it would be hard
for me to keep up with him over a sixty
yard span. Even if I have like a twenty five
yard head start, I still think I could get to

(50:25):
the goal line. But I would have to be running,
you know, like full speed for thirty five yards while
he's running full speed for sixty. But here the play
is that he's only going like thirty five yards. I
think I could have worked it out. Are you changing
your mind at all, Jason Martin? Are you change your
mind at all based on this logic because don't focus
on the tackle? Could I get there? Martin? Say? Or

(50:47):
is that it is that it? I thought you were
gonna say. You just kind of abruptly stop talking. No,
it doesn't change my mind. You laid out You laid
it out well. But I continue to say nothing would
have played out exactly the same aim because they would
have looked at you and it wouldn't have mattered, Like
Stefon Diggs would have had to run the same route,
case Keeno wouldn't have had to throw a pass that.

(51:09):
If you are you are assuming like I'm talking, you're
you're assuming that they are gonna game plan for the
guy who runs a five six and is suddenly coming
in for the Minnesota Vikings in place, take off my
my race. Just pretend that they don't notice that there
is a different guy playing safety. All right, They're not
matching up trying to run a different play against me,
because I don't think, frankly, if I'm lined up twenty

(51:31):
five yards off the line of scrimmage, they got Harrison
Smith on at safety, they got an athletic white guy
out there. I could just be another athletic white guy
that the Vikings have who had to come in at
safety for the injured guy. So if I'm starting twenty
five yards off the line of scrimmage, there's nothing that
I'm doing that has exposed my lack of athleticism to
that point. So we're not talking about them scheming against

(51:53):
me and being like, oh, we're gonna run this play
now we're talking about they're gonna run the exact same
play that they were already running. The play where they
try to get Stefon Diggs down the field and he's
running roughly thirty five yards and they're basically throwing it
up to him like that is the play. I'm just
saying that Marcus Williams so misplayed this that it wouldn't
be that hard given the parameters of this situation and

(52:16):
just the pure mental aspect of the game to have
put yourself in the position to make the play. Now,
could he have break my tackle, Yes, but I feel
like the like the physics of the field and the
and everything else, like I would be able to get
my hands on him because it's not as if he
hits a slant and he just takes off at full

(52:37):
speed the moment, you know, like seven yards from the
line of scrimmage. They are throwing it thirty five yards
in the air. The play there is just be present
when he comes down, and I think, not only do
you make the tackle, Like if Marcus Williams played this
play perfectly, all he would have had to do was
be standing directly behind Diggs when he came down and

(52:58):
he would have hit him and he would have gone down.
And if he didn't hit him and he goes down,
he would have grabbed him, and some other of his
guys would have come and they would have tackled him
in bounds, the play would have run out in the
same To be playing on the road against the Eagles
this weekend, it was almost like Williams got there a
little too early. It's totally what happened. He played way
too aggressively. He was playing like they had a time

(53:20):
out left. I think if you went and asked him,
I think it's possible that he forgot that they didn't
have a time out left because he was playing that
as if he needed to keep him from making the catch,
when in reality, catching the ball on the field is
almost the best case scenario for the Saints in that scenario,
because all they need to do is tackle him on

(53:41):
the field. Right, But would you have played bump and run,
because I'm looking at not at all. So you would
have started right where Williams because Williams was about at
the thirty and Diggs was crossing over at about the
forty five before he cut to the sideline, So would
you have played that same way I would have. I
would have at all times Gary and teed that I
had at least ten yards between me and he got

(54:03):
there a little Earli, You're slower, so you would have
got there a little late, right, But I don't think
getting there a little late as a problem. I mean,
that's what I'm saying, Like getting there, my goal would
be to get there at the moment that he comes
down to the ground, Like, I'm not going to challenge
the catch in anyway. My feet are physically going to
be present where his are at the time that he

(54:23):
hits the turf, and at that moment, I'm just gonna
grab him. So you don't think he would hurtle you
or sidestep. No, watch the way that catches made if
you go pull it up on but he's on one
leg because of how Williams is there. He Williams at least,
you know, makes him kind of getting up on that
one leg. The way he affected to catch at all,

(54:45):
I think, yeah, but I think that the reason why
he has to come down and catch himself is it's
an incredibly athletic catch that he made to get up
as high as he did to make that catch. He
wasn't gonna land like a puma and immediately be like
going full speed. I guy, I can make contact with him.
We'll ask Jeff Shorts. You can also, well, we don't
have time to have you way in. Uh, We're gonna
talk to Jeff Schwortz. Then we're gonna play some of

(55:07):
your voice mails and our three we'll come back. We'll
circle back for around all this stuff. Jeff Shorts breaking
down the a f C and the NFC title games
as well. He actually knows my athleticism. I trained for
the combine beside him. I'm gonna make my case and
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(55:50):
cool kids are doing it. Speaking of the cool kids,
Jeff Shorts probably wasn't one of the cool kids. Big,
maybe a little bit overweight when he was young. Were
you a cool kid in l A? Uh? I started
as a kid, So that's that, definitely? Yeah, I was.
I was. Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't. Though. When were
you always big? Like your six seven three? Like? Was

(56:10):
ever a time where you were like average size? Oh? No, no, no,
no no. I was my driver's license when I was
first couple of those six five two sixties. I was
like fifteen and a half. I got that fifteen and
a half. You were six five to sixty. All right,
So we got a couple of big questions to get
to you. First. Let's start with Jason Martin not coming
to work yesterday. You grew up in l A. L

(56:31):
A is notoriously unable to handle anything other than like
sunny and perfect driving conditions, people like have rain and
the city comes undone. Uh. We had Petros Papadegez on
yesterday and he said he had an intern who called
in once and said's raining. I can't come to work today,
which is even worse than Jason Martin. What is like,
if your experience, what is the biggest pussy willow you've

(56:54):
ever been when it comes to driving in bad weather conditions?
Like when you moved to Eugene and started playing for Oregon,
Are you like, oh my god, I can't believe these
people driving the rain all the time. Uh No, I'm
actually probably the opposite. I've done stupid things and when
I probably shouldn't have driven in bad weather. Um, there
was there was a time where I was driving from
northern California back to Eugene in a in a snowstorm,

(57:17):
and you know, you kind of have to go like
up up a couple of mountains and down and back
and forth and through some passes, and everyone had stopped
and I went up the mountain. And it was a mistake.
I mean, I should have done it. Uh. The snow
was heavy. I was in a normal car, no, no
four wheel drive. Um, I was only on the top
of the mountain. There were no tire tracks on either side,

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but I was not. And then they eventually quote they
eventually closed the pass once I got through it. So
that's kind of a sign like you probably shouldn't even
tried to do it. Um, And I traveled, I put
like a sleeping bag in my in my car on
the way there because I was told like I looked
up like tips to like make it through if your
car breaks down in the way in a store room.
That I was. It was the stupid and ever done. Um,

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I've never done. I've never been afraid to drive him
that it was a time of Eugene when I drove
with the with the window down because I couldn't see out.
I have to put yea because we had because you know,
like I think people think because it snows, um, that
snows a lot. And this is something I had to
learn to like football practice stops. It does not Like
I remember I got to Minnesota, I played there for

(58:22):
a season. I asked them, it's as snow a lot
one day, I'm like, so like if it snows a lot,
we don't go to work right, Like no, no, no,
you you you leave early or you like spend the
night near that. I don't know, like you just show up.
You better be at worked the following day. So I
always went to work. I mean I'm in Charlotte right now.
They canceled school ready for today. Um it has not
snowed a wicked yet. Um so I'm sure that Jason

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Martin will be happy to canceling school for everybody. Yeah,
there's no doubt it'll be safer. So were you surprised
that he didn't come in when you? Did you watch
his weather conditions? Did you watch his report from the
parking lot? I think he's gott I think he's got
a second job as a as a weather reporter. Yeah,
I mean, you know, he was he was very he
was very on and you know using the My favorite part,
by the way, and this whole thing, was when he

(59:04):
said that that I want spelling be as a kid,
That's what I was known for. I don't know if
you would want to admit such a thing, but he admitted.
He admit that. Um uh, look, I mean I guess
that's always been That's always been a big panty dropper.
When you win a spelling be, girls just like they
just like they can't even keep their panties on. They
just start throwing them to you. It's like you could
be a rock star, you could be a great quarterback

(59:25):
on the football team. But when they hear you spell
like centrifugal fours or something, yeah, opaque. Yeah, when they
hear you spell o pake, the panties just come flying off. Um.
You know, I guess uh yeah, I mean, you know,
it's it's tough doing radio man, and I guess he
just didn't like Doo much. But he called away. He
called him twice yesterday, and you know, he kept he
kept everyone alive in Nashville with the stellar weather reporting. Yes, um,

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and uh, you know, I mean it's you're the Boston
and you went in for the day. I mean, it's
the way it is. Right. Well, we've got the trial.
Trial is gonna happen an hour three, so you have
to make sure you listen to that. All right. So
you know my athleticism pretty well. Like you have seen
me bench press, You have seen me run frequently, probably
more than anybody else maybe in the country, certainly who's

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been on the show. You have been exposed to my
athleticism more than anybody where. Would you put me on
a scale of one to ten my athleticism overall, Now,
before you rate me, I'm not saying rate me relative
to actual good athletes. That you would see as a
professional athlete. So you're maybe a little bit skewed. I mean,
like at the population as a whole, where would you

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rank me on the scale of one to ten? So
I'm making consider you're not a pro athlete, right, So
I'm just like a like a pro athlete would all
be tens, right, Like people like make fun of pro
athletes and like, like you said, your wife doesn't consider
you to be athletic, but like you're six ft seven
like whatever pounds it is, and you made a living

(01:00:52):
for eight years a pro athlete, Like you're a ten alright,
your wife might not believe it, but you are a
high level athlete. So yeah, I'm not ranking me like
relative of two athletes that you know, relative to like
literally the least athletic person, the spelling bee champ um,
like a one to ten, where would you put me?
I mean, you're probably like a five or six. I mean,
to have to to do to do to combine training

(01:01:13):
for that long and like you didn't get hurt, um,
you didn't pull a muscle, You're able to do it
every day. I mean that that takes a lot of
That takes a lot of athletes have to be able
to stick with us for six It was eight weeks.
Six weeks, yeah, six weeks. For people who don't know.
The way that I met Jeff is I trained for
the NFL Combine for purposes. I was going to write
a book, and they decided they didn't want to buy

(01:01:34):
the book. Probably can publish the book now because I'm
a lot more famous. Um. But I was fascinated by
the process by which college athletes become NFL players, and
in particular their training for the combine, their training for
the forty, for the bench press, for everything else. So
I did everything that these guys did for like six
to eight weeks. So every rep that they did, uh,

(01:01:55):
pretty much for the training purposes I did. I was
with them for hours every day. That's how I Jeff
when he was coming out of college before he became
an NFL player. So you've seen me do all this stuff.
So you have a good you know, good like a
rough idea. I think to be a five six, I
mean to be able to I think it's impressive like
you did. Like I said, you did the whole thing.
You didn't get hurt, which is a lot of people

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I think would have pulled the muscle or are gone
the blame. So I haven't seen you play like basketball, Um,
you know, I think it's to be able to do that.
I've seen you run obviously. I mean I beat you
in a flag football game. It's not surprising. But yeah,
I mean, you're for for an average person, you're you're,
you're a good athlete and worst, like I said, I
would be like a six. Like that's my argument. That

(01:02:35):
would be, like, that's not a ridiculous position for me
to take, like you'll you'll, you'll endorse the fact that
if a pro athlete is a ten, yeah, I give
you a six. Okay, So if I'm a six. The
question that I have is here, First of all, is
that the worst play given the situation, the Marcus Williams
play that you have ever seen a safety make. I

(01:02:57):
mean where he Moore was pretty bad as well. At
least he was a ball. You know this, This was
the thing about it. And I don't really I'm not.
I don't fault like the physical mistake of trying to
miss the wide receiver. I just think it's a it's
a mental mistake by not by not knowing the situation,
and it's all just like like all he's and this
is after time out, mind you you have time out.

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And look, you can say he's the rookie, he's young,
but that's not he's in the playoffs now. Like he
started seventeen games, sixteen games, seventeen including the the the
gend game, so like he shouldn't know this, and a
couple of time out, like you just have to let
Digs you know, catch the ball and tackle him right
on the spot of the game is over. You can
make a player on the ball knocking away and then
there's one play left. You just you can The only

(01:03:41):
thing you can't do is what you did. And you
know you can blame the same coaches as well, because
they had a terrible They had two lindbackers within six
yards of the ball at the snap. But it's unbelievable. Um,
so look I I get here trying to avoid. Um
it was even trying to tackle, just trying to avoid.
You just can't do. You can't go flying in there
at speed and make the tackle. Just go up to

(01:04:02):
him either let him tatch the ball. They play the ball,
but that's the last thing, you know. They and then
also he knocked the one defender away, you could chase
him down. Yeah, now he literally did. I mean, it's
the worst possible play. So here's my argument that I
have said on the show today. I don't know if
you even heard this yet. You might have seen the
poll question. People people have twe people have tweeted me
your comments. Okay, So my theory is I went and

(01:04:25):
looked they had still photographs online because I was fascinated
by this play. I'm like, how did Marcus Williams misplay
this play this much? Because I'm focusing on the situational
aspects of the game. Here right, there's ten seconds left.
If they complete a pass, they have no time out.
So your goal, honestly is to probably have them complete
the pass and then make a tackle, or you could

(01:04:46):
have an incompletion and then you know the last play
is going to be on the next play, which would
be basically a n mary, right whatever. So my argument is,
if I were playing safety, Marcus Williams started about twenty
yards off the line of scrimmage at the snap right,
that I would have started immediately and bailed. Do you
think in this situation that I could have found myself

(01:05:06):
in position when when Stefon Diggs comes down with the ball,
Could I have been there to get my hands on
him immediately? So you're you're saying that at the at
the same rate that Williams and ran. No, My argument is,
I would start like twenty five line yards off the
line of scrimmage, and I think, given that that pass

(01:05:29):
was about a thirty five yard pass, that I would
need to cover about ten You like, I would be
ten yards behind the play regardless of whatever else happened.
I would because I'll be worried about getting beat deep, right,
So I'm bailing on that play almost from the get go,
Like seeing the route that he's gonna run, I'm not
worried at all about them throwing it underneath, right, Like,
I'm trying to stay about ten yards behind him the

(01:05:50):
entire time, and once he stops and the ball is
thrown in the air, my argument is it takes a
second and a half or so for the ball to
cover that travel thirty five yards in the air. That
I could have covered that distance and just been standing
there to make contact with him the moment he hits
the ground. And if I could have made contact with him.

(01:06:10):
There are actually two other Saints players defensively who were
professionals that are in close proximity to that. Plus he's
off balance from having made that catch, that I could
have slowed him down and we could have made the tackle.
Is that how ridiculous of an idea? Is that the hypothetical,
I guess makes sense. I mean you could have aligned.

(01:06:31):
If if you would have aligned in a better defense,
you would have been standing there already. Um I could
you cover tedd yards in the second and a half
with your reaction time? I don't know that farfetched, but
I'll say this, if you try to make that tackle,
if he's just you alone, he will drag you out
of bound for the clock will stop in Okay, so

(01:06:52):
that that but that's not my that's like that's, by
the way, infinitely better than what happened, because at least
then you have to bring out a field goal kicker. Lie,
things can go wrong, it's still from right there, I
think like a fifty three yard field goal. Just remember
that that was what That was why dig spun towards
toward because he was trying to get out of her.
He's turning out the bound and then he realized, oh
they didn't have That's what a d percent happening if

(01:07:14):
you if you hold like my what I think is
is if Williams just held onto him, then his bids
would would would would come tackle him. Now, I don't
think you could hold on him for very long, Steven.
And because his his decision would be to get to
the sidelines, he would get there easily. If his decision
was to score touchdown, he'd probably break your tackle and
be gone. But that was not what he was trying
to do. Turning out of bound. Would a hundred percent

(01:07:36):
get out of bounces you try to tackle him, Um,
the only chance you had to get him to the
ground by yourself would be you undercut his legs. And yeah,
that was my argument. Yeah, right now, that's not very
that that's the act of doing that is not very
hard for you. It's a matter of getting there and
doing it in timely fashion, which I think would be tough.

(01:07:56):
Like I think part of it if you're you can't
realize that you're you would be backpeddaling. You'd be backpeddaling
and then have to stop your progress run forward gigs
at the time that he that he that he that
he jumps up. But I don't think I don't think
the time he would not work for you. Now, if
you were already standing there and JS caught the ball,
could you could you like hold him, sir? But I

(01:08:18):
think he would drag you out about all right. So
that's a bore nuanced analysis than the immediate response. By
the way, it's fifty fifty on on the question or
seven or something. Have some y followers I do? I mean, well,
I think they understand the argument better than the haters
that are on the show with me here. All right, Now,
let's go into the games themselves. Is there any way

(01:08:41):
that Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are losing to Blake
Bordles or Nick Foles and case Keenum with this remaining
playoff roster? Because I think the Patriots have one, assuming
that Brady stays healthy. I think the Patriots have won
their sixth Super Bowl, I mean on paper, yeah, and
look they're they're nine and a half point favorites. After

(01:09:04):
Jacksonville just destroyed Pittsburgh. We're gonna shows you kind of
what Vegas and how they feel about the town level
between New England Jackson Wall'll tell you this though, Jacksonville,
this sounds kind of kind of weird. To say this,
but they're they're much worse than matchup than Pittsburgh is
for New England. And and that's because they do the
things well the New England I have struggled with the past,
and that is mainly, uh, they rushed to pass her

(01:09:25):
well and New England has struggled with that, and that's
always been Tom Brady's uh hell. And they'll match up
really well um with New England. On on the outside.
What New England tries to do when they play really
good defense and they try to spread out, spread the
defense out, so they go empty formation, so they have
five wide receivers and those spider wide receivers right ones
are running back. One's Gronkowski and then they just they

(01:09:47):
just pick you apart. They find they find where your weaknesses.
It's what they did to Seattle on the Super Bowls,
what they've done to Denver for for many years. Um.
But so that the Houston they find your holes, your
defense and matchups. The issue is for them is Jacksonville
has the players to match up with the Patriots because
they don't have an elite wide receiver. Now Gronkowski is elite.
Their running facts that say at the backfield is pass

(01:10:10):
catches are are pretty much are high up there on
the elite level. So you can put Jalen Ramsey, let's say,
on Gronkowski. You can put Miles jack who used to
play running back at U c l A to put
him on a running back. You can put Booyer on Amundol.
You can double Ammundol, you can double Cooks like, there's
many options Jacksonville has. Now again it comes down to really,

(01:10:30):
do I trust Tom Brady to score points? I do?
Do I trust Jacksonville to score thirty When I score
thirty eight offensive points? I don't expect him to happen
to have that happen. Um, you know Pittsburgh got beat
on play action passed, which um, New England will expect
just the level of just it didn't seem like Pittsburgh
was prepared. I don't know how The only way by

(01:10:51):
Bors is beating you is why to play action passed.
He's not gonna line up there and spread you out
and beat deal. You have to know that's gonna happen.
And uh, well do we want to struggled this year
against that run the ball? But but here's another factor
which is surprising. Pittsburgh went this way. You know, Jacksonville
is like twenty six and rush defense UM and New
Yond's number one running the football as far as yards

(01:11:12):
per carry and and successful runs. So you know New
England's gonna do both. They're gonna spread you out and
they're gonna un the football. I think they'll have a
better game play. I don't see them losing this game.
Do they cover? Probably? I actually think it's closer to them,
like the Titans score than it would be UM the
Steelers score UM. And then if they if they win
that game, though they have two weeks to prepare for

(01:11:32):
for for Minnesota Silly, they'll win that game. Who's gonna
win between Minnesota and Philly. I picked Billy to win
maybe because I've covered them most of the year and
I like what I like what they're doing there at home,
you know, the emotional part of Minnesota after that win.
It's gonna be interesting to see because they could go
about this one of two ways. They can mentally feel
lucky they're there because they should. I mean, that was

(01:11:54):
that was not that was a luck play, it wasn't
a skill play. UM. Or they can feel revolve because
they're there. I mean there's two ways to sing about it.
Every player will feel differently, but as a team, you
know they can and you can come out really slow.
In that gamera, the Eagles look they have a great
run defense. Now they're back end of their defense is
a little bit suspect. But the Vikings don't really have

(01:12:15):
anyone besides feeling and Digs. I mean, they're they're they're
good life receivers. But I think Eagles can can can
control that and then you know the other It really
depends on folds man. I mean, um, Doug Peterson did
a fantastic job lasting of designing the game plan four
folds um, and he was another week to do that.
The ship shield confident, they're at home. Um. I just

(01:12:36):
like the way they battled all Susan long and I
wouldn't be supplies in Minnesota one by Pinks Philly the wind,
that game outstanding stuff is always Jeff will talk to
you next week. Yeah, take care. That's Jeff Swarts. Follow
him on Twitter at g E O F. F. Schwartz
S C H W A R t Z. I think
let's bring in at Eddie Garcia find out what's shaken
in the world sports. Well, we'll start with the NBA,

(01:12:57):
and the game of the night had the Pelicans going
on the road and beating the top team in the
Eastern Conference, the Celtics one sixteen one, third team and
overtime New Orleans led by Starr Anthony Davis, who had
forty five points and sixteen rebounds, they snapped Boston seven
game winning streak. It's of college basketball. We had a
battle of ranked teams in over fifteen North Carolina twenty
rank Clemson eight seven seventy nine. Two upsets in the
top twenty five. Fourth ranked Oklahoma loses at Kansas State

(01:13:20):
eight seven sixty nine and eighteenth ranked Kentucky lost at
South Carolina seventy six to sixty eight. Third rank Perduce
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where Celtics legend and Hall of Famer Joe Joe White
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Hate Mail four Jason Martin on Fox Sports Radio Live
and the guy go out kick Studios hete mail for

(01:14:02):
Jason Martin elect roll. Are you kidding me? You have
the easiest job in America, literally the easiest job in America,
and you probably get paid well for it. All you
do is complained and honestly you're incompetent j mart How
many times do we have to listen to some idiots
get on the radio or half the time it's not

(01:14:22):
even there. Hey, you know everything about these people, even
they're freaking race. How can you not do better than this?
You get one crop dusting of snow and you act
like you can't come to work? Are you keating me?
If I had the opportunity, heck, I would crawl to
the studio right now from Texas using only my tongue

(01:14:43):
to have the opportunity just to smell the studio that
I could potentially work it. You should be ashamed of yourself,
Dang you. No wonder woman won't sleep with you. You're
a walking boob. Jason Martin, Your honorable Clay Travis. This
is Jordan and the SIP. I'm calling in to get
my verdict on the civil, if not criminal, case of
j Mark's gipping on work yesterday through the snow. Living

(01:15:04):
here in Mississippi, I too know exactly what the White
Death here in the South. However, my boss is not
the snows are. Furthermore, my boss did not make me
an executive producer for his radio show. With that being said,
if Clay with my boss and he's somehow found a
way to come into work after the landing of the
White Death, I would follow the orders have said Bosston
not be a pussy willow by means of trains, planes,

(01:15:27):
their automobiles. You, Jason Martin, executive producer of OutKick Coverage,
are guilty a premeditated being a pussy willow. You may
sendence him now, your honorable play Hi, Clay, I'm calling
on behalf of Time Magazine and we were We're proud
to announce that Jason Martin has been selected for our
pussy Willow of the Year, not even a month in

(01:15:48):
the two thousand and eighteen, and we're calling to know
when it would be a good time for us to
do an interview with him for our feature. Yes, this
is justin and Cincinnati. There was nine degrees here today,
ice snow. All the tools were closed. But guess what
people were on the roads and you had Jason white,
privileged Martin. It wouldn't take it now and drive the work.

(01:16:11):
It's set. And then he takes a picture of his
backyard while he's in his tiny whities and it's a
dusty if that I mean you got Cooper there in
the studio and he would pray through that on d
be high as hell, but still man up. You lost
a hundred nine seven pounds, drive your skinny sort of
fatass work way to work and let's do this. Come on, damn,

(01:16:34):
Jason Martin, you are pathetic. You couldn't drive to work
and you were and it was becoming old pig? Are
you kidding me? Up here in Ohio? I have to
clear off three inches of snow this morning. Turn on
the the froster. It's called a car. They have all
of the tools you need to get the snow off

(01:16:55):
your windshield. That is pathetic. How can Clay times somebody
like this on his team that's just gonna quit on
him when they getting a little bit of snow. That's parthetic.
You need to go live in Minnesota for a year
and come back with some character and some dignity, because
you are pathetic, Jason Martin, when shame by that, I

(01:17:19):
keep going for it because my win shooting by fusionate
property and it's all trouble. And I don't know how
that iding was so posted because I'm w get me
stull it be moody. You know, Jason, when you were
a baby, your father looked down upon you in the

(01:17:42):
crib and said, one day, I hope my son grows
up to be a man. Well look at you now.
You just got your ass whipped by a bunch of
damn snow. So now if I were you, I'd redeem myself.
And he has my maker, my father and Claint Travis.

(01:18:03):
Let's get that snow. Hey, j mart this is Scottie
Mack in the Arctic regions of Central Florida. Bunny, I
think you had more snow in your then you had
on your windshield making the ward next time. Who hey, guys,
I'm from Idaho. Live in Idaho now, but I grew
up in Tennessee. My dad was in the Special Forces
group for Campbell, so I lived just outside of Clarksville,

(01:18:25):
and I remember, in like fourth grade, my teachers were
much more concerned with a little bit of snowfall that
we get every couple of years as they were with
the tornadoes. They tried to kill us every couple of weekends. Listen,
last last winter, we had what we called the you
know apocalypse, buildings, collapsed cars, god wreck, livestock dot even

(01:18:45):
the elk hurts started to die off, but nobody missed work.
Jason Martin, what the good? Maybe the work? Because this
night when you're windshield seriously, girl, set the balls the clown. Yes,
Mr to MARKA. So you're going to college is calling
you back with your results. That is the first very
very you have and it will be permanent. Do you

(01:19:09):
have any questions? Please call me anytime. Hey man, First
thing I gotta say, I'm with j mart on this one.
You gotta pull over on the side of the road.
And can you imagine these people thinking this idiot does
not know how to work his band for defroster, This
guy sitting on the side of the road, scraping his windshield.
Luke from Chicago. Listen, Clay, I've skipped a lot of
work in my lifetime. Every excuse in the book, I

(01:19:32):
know it. The very fact that j mart decided to
stay up, hang out, talk to you on the phone,
listen in his car, which might be psychopathic behavior, lets
me realize he wasn't lying. If he was lying, he
would have been in his bed watching Netflix like he
loves to hanging in. Dang it. No way he stays
on the line. No way he listens cases clear, baby

(01:19:55):
free j Mark. One question for you, why Country. I

(01:20:19):
don't want to die. I've had a lot to live for.
Here's the deal. Those calls are fantastic if you're in
your car and you're like, what in the world happened?
Jason Martin didn't come into work yesterday because of the snow.
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All right, our three of the Show, Wednesday edition, we
are off and rolling here and it is time for
the Jason Martin trial over his refusal to come into
work yesterday with a quarter inch of snow on the ground. Now,

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before we get officially rolling eight seven seven nine six
six three six nine, here's what I want you to do.
If you're calling in to be a member of our jury.
I want you to be paired to ask Jason Martin
a question, and I want you to not tell him anything.
Just say where you are from and that you want

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to be a part of the jury. Okay, that's all
I need because he's fielding calls, and undoubtedly he's gonna
complain about this. You know how Jason Martin complains about
fielding calls. I don't need any information from you other
than you saying I want to be on the jury.
You can just say as simply as you want jury,
and then let Jason Martin put you in que so

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that you are ready to talk. Eight seven seven nine
six six three six nine. Now, for those of you
yesterday who were not listening, first of all, I don't
know what you're doing with your life. But yesterday snow
arrived in the South. And by the way, we had
Jeff Schwartz on earlier. He said, snow is coming to Charlotte,
North Carolina today. Snow in the South is always a

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calamitous event. Yesterday, Jason Martin, about a minute before the
show started, and you were with me here, Danny g
we received this email. So here's the problem. I have
made it one exit. I let this is Jason Martin's
email to us. I left forty five minutes ago. I've
had to stop now three times to clear off my windshield.

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Everything that hits it freezes and sticks immediately it ices
over and becomes completely opaque. Hence opaque gate, not that
it ice is over and I can't see. Jason Martin
felt the need to tell us it ices over and
becomes completely opaque in about three minutes of driving because

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of the windschill and temperature, and of course the big
stuff is coming in a few hours. Around our three
I gave up, barely made it back those few miles
before It's now iced over my glass again and I
slid into my parking spot legitimately. Now, to his credit,

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he did report from his apartment and post a photo
from outside of his bedroom window, as well as video
from the parking lot where you could see roughly a
quarter inch of snow. Now he may try to obfuse
Skate here. He may try to confuse us. Later in
the day snow actually came. We ended up with almost

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exactly three inches at my house. So the snow did
come later in the day, but it didn't really arrive
until around noon. And again I was in home, people
driving everywhere, no issues. Okay, Danny G, you were on
with me yesterday. This is the first live trial we've
done on the show. Danny G. You were on with

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me yesterday. I'm gonna quiz you first as Jason Martin
Fields calls to kind of get the factual details out.
Then I'll bring up Jason Martin. Then we will bring
in the jury. Eight seven seven, there's the music. There
is the music. People's Court. This is the OutKick Court,
first ever edition of the OutKick Court where we have
to render a verdict for a decision that was made

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by member of the crew. All right, here we go
eight seven seven nine, six six three six nine. Just
tell j mart you want to be on the jury
and that you were going to listen to the trial.
That's your only responsibility. All right. Uh, Danny g you
were with me on the show yesterday. Have I accurately
described the email that we received. Yes? Did Jason Martin

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give us any idea that he might not be coming
in prior to receiving that email? Yeah, the morning prior
he had a conversation with you. It was a tweet.
Does hearsay? This is hearsay? But yes, he did. You
can only you can only testify to what you've heard.
So from what I heard, No, he he did not

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text me the way he normally does. If there's a
problem in the morning, told you nothing at all about
having any issues at all. First note, first news that
you received that he might not appear on the show
was the email that I just read into evidence. Correct,
all right, and uh, you're in l A. The web
there is perfect you have. Have you ever not made
it into work because of weather related conditions? Oh? Never.

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I mean, we don't have a lot of weather to
battle here, but if there was, you know, I would
make it to And in fact, recently in the city
of Los Angeles there was almost an interstate burned to
the ground. We were surrounded by fire. Could literally smell
smoke from the studio. Yeah, we had a fire to
the south and a fire to the north. And if

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you were caught on fire, that would not be a
good thing, right of course not. In fact, it would
be easy to die. And in fact, some people do
die from fire or fire related issues on a regular basis. Right.
Not only did I make it here through the fire zones,
but we worked myself and the crew worked with masks on.
You literally worked with masks on because of the fire

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burning in the Los Angeles are as. We walked into
the studios during those fires. There was somebody, Uh, an
iHeart person that stood there and handed out those, uh,
those painter masks. By the way, that just just for
the record, that seems like it's probably not a good idea.
It seems like if you are an I Heart boss
and you have to go buy masks, this is a

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different trial. I would have maybe had a trial of
whoever was buying these masks as well. If you're buying
masks to pass out to the employees to work on
the radio station, maybe over you locate, uh the studio
for But but you showed up and literally worked in
a painter's mask as the city of Los Angeles burned
around you. Yeah, it smelled like a bad you know,

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you know, like an hour after somebody has an all
day barbecue and it's a really bad after tar smell.
That's what it was like, thick in the studio here
where we were working. Have you ever heard of anybody
calling in for work and not appearing for weather related
issues in my twenty years of broadcasting, Never, never has happened. Um, okay, uh,

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is there anything else that you think should go on
the record about Jason Martin's I mean, you were I
would bring in Justin Cooper, but he wasn't live on
the air yesterday. You were here live on the air
with me. Is there anything else we should know that
you think should be factual evidence entered in here about
Jason Martin. Yeah. Not only did we find out that
Jason wants to live and he thought he was gonna

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die going into work yesterday, we found out that he
drives a rav four, so he actually has a four
by four. Yeah, he's got a four wheel drive vehicle.
That's a very good edition. All right, Jason Martin. The
lines are loaded by the way our jury so that
you know, and I want you guys to all stay here.
The jury. The jury is impaneled. We have Nate in

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New Mexico. We have Branded in Indianapolis. We have Randy
and Brentwood. We have Travis in Maryland. We have Casey
in Pennsylvania. We have Dan in Virginia Beach, Virginia. We
have Miguel in Texas, Mike and Nashville Been in Indiana,
and Michael in Kentucky. So we have like nine different
states or so represented here to render a verdict. All right,

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Jason Martin, you are the defendant. I'm going to ask you.
There we go People's Choice music. Jason Martin, you are
the defendant, and by the way, for the jury, I
need you guys to hang with us. Can by the way,
can the jury hear everything that we're saying right now,
Jason Martin? Or is that a flaw? I believe they're all, yeah,
they're hearing everything. Okay, so they can hear, because that
would be a flaw. If we've got the jury of panel,

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then they're the only people who can't hear any of
the evidence. All right, Jason Martin, I'm gonna be basic here.
I'm just gonna open up the questioning for you. Describe
your day yesterday. You chose not to come into work.
Explain your rationale. It's a harrowing day. Quite frankly, I
appreciate the opportunity to be allowed to speak. I woke
up earlier than usual, plan to leave because I knew

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that there were gonna be issues. I walked out the
front door, met with cold, met with the beginnings of
the storm. It was beginning to turn white on the ground.
But I certainly didn't see anything that bother me, so
I thought, okay, shouldn't be a problem. I saw it
was a little bit of a problem there in the
parking lot, but not a big deal. So I'm driving
everything you're driving. I'm going to interrupt you. I'm gonna

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interrupt you occasionally to get evidence. Would you describe your vehicle?
It is a two thousand, thirteen V four four wheel drive,
four wheel drive vehicle. Uh. And you have helped this
vehicle for how long? UM? I can't even remember if
I've had it. I think I've had a little bit
over a year now, and we're not quite a year,

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not quite a year. It's worked fine up to that point.
No like mechanical issues to speak of. I mean, the
car was in functional order so far as you know.
Oh yeah, I mean I had taken into a mechanic
last month, had some work done on the tires and
on the axles, so they had actually gone ahead and
done an oil change in a rotation and done a
fluid check. So I felt in good shape from that perspective.
All right, So you get in the car and what happens.

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I got in the car and obviously it was coming
down pretty good, and it was sort of a mixture.
Most of it appeared to be rain that it was
frozen rain. It was sleep and then there was some
snow mixed into it, and there was this an odd
fog that was also in the air, and of course
it was very, very cold. So I get in the
car and I start to drive. After of course I
sit there for a few minutes, let it warm up,
and turn the defroster on eight at high so I

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felt like it was gonna be good. I saw every
the ice turning to water, use my wipers, cleared it off.
Everything was good. Started to drive, and as I went
up the first hill, I started to notice the top
of my windshield was becoming problematic. And then it just expanded.
It was like that grew. It wasn't a bunch of
little patches, it was that just continued to grow, and

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about I would say a mile, maybe a mile on
a quarter after I started driving at a decent pace,
I could not see anything on the driver's side of
the car at all, and it was extending to the
passenger side. So I actually pulled over in a public's
grocery store parking lot and cleaned off my windshield again
using my scraper and also still having the defrost on.

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Got it cleared off. Thought that was gonna be good.
Drove another mile, same problem again. Pulled into a target
parking lot right before I hopped on the Interstate. Did
it again? Was not the only one there. There were
a couple of other cars doing exactly the same thing talking.
Did you talk with any of the people in the
parking lot. No, there was no point. Plus I was
trying to get to work, so I didn't need to.

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I didn't need anything to delay me. There was nothing
they were gonna do. They were doing the same thing
I was. So I got back in the car, got
onto the Interstate, and I would say a mile and
a quarter into the Interstate, I couldn't see at all.
I was literally like crouched down, looking just barely at
the bottom of the windshield, driving about fifteen miles an
hour with my hazards on like everybody else around me.

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And the first exit I saw, I took and pulled
into a gas station parking lot because I simply could
not see. I was gonna try and clear it off
and drive again. Before I could even get back onto
the Interstate, it was already again becoming yes, opaque, the
opacity was a problem, and I had no choice. And
that was when I fired the email and said, this

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is an issue. Originally, I was sending the email to say, look,
I'm gonna be late, and then I realized this is ridiculous.
I'm going back home. This is flat out dumb. And
now me enter that email for people who have just
gotten in their car. Let me enter this email once
more into evidence. Here is the email that you sent.
So here's the problem. I have made it one exit

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I left forty five minutes ago. I've had to stop
now three times to clear off my windshield. Everything that
hits it freezes and sticks immediately. It ice is over
and becomes completely opaque in about three minutes of driving
because of the wind, chill and temperature, and of course
the big stuff is coming in a few hours. Around
our three I gave up, barely made it back those

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few miles before it's now iced over my glass again
and I slid into my parking lot. Legitimately, that is
your email to us explaining why you could not come
into work. Now, what else happened? So you just immediately
turned around and re retrace your steps? Yeah, well I
didn't turn around because it was an interstate, and because
the exit I was on and the location of my apartment,

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it was sort of a secondary travel back, so I
didn't actually get back on the interstate. I took the
road that I took off that exit, and it led
me back to the apartment. And as I wrote in
that email, as I was making that final turn up this,
I have a little bit of an embankment at my
apartment where I actually parked in this sort of secure area,
and as I rolled around, it just slid a little bit,

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which I was not expecting, honestly, because I didn't realize
the roads had gotten that treacherous already. And like I said,
I don't think the roads were there yet, but I
think these parking lots sometimes make it a little bit worse.
And so I got into the parking space. And then
that was around the time that the show was I
would say three or four minutes, and I'd already sent
the email out and at that point I turned on
while I was listening to the show on the way in,

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and at that point I knew what was about to happen,
and l A was calling me, and so I sat
in the car to take your questions and do the
best JET see, I was still trying to do my job,
even though I couldn't make it in. I was working
as hard as I passed we could, and put my
life at risk to make it in. All right, A
couple of questions here. First of all, you said you
stopped three times on the way attempting to make it

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to the station. He said, you stopped like every one
and a quarter mile to clean off your windswhere in there.
How many times did you have to stop on your
return drive back to your apartment? Another one. Again, I
was not on the interstate, so I wasn't driving quite
as fast, so that helped me just a little bit.
And once I realized I was not going to be

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going in, I stayed in that gas station parking lot
a longer period of time, maybe let the defrost build up,
so that made it a little bit easier on the
commute back. But I still had to stop one more time,
all right, So things were getting better by the time
you turned around and drove back. Yes, it seemed like
maybe then, But again I had stopped for a much
longer length of time by this point and let the

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defrost actually do a lot more work before I attempted
to try and drive again. Like I didn't just see
it clear and then drive. I saw it clear, sat
there for another three or four minutes and then actually
took off each time I tried to get going as
fast as I could. Is the jury all still present
on the phone lines? All but one? We've had one

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drop off, one juror dropped off? All right? You can
be the last member of the jury. Eight seven seven nine,
six three six nine. Should I go to pull them
right now? Uh? And or ask if they have any
quick No, we need to do. We need to come back.
So here's what you're gonna do with the jury. Alright,
everybody listening on the jury, have one phone line open,
one open spot for our jury. Everybody on the jury,

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I need you to hang with me. I'm gonna go
to each of you individually. You will have the opportunity
to ask one question for clarification, and then I want
your verdict on whether Jason Martin is guilty or not.
We do not need a unanimous verdict, all right, because
ultimately I am the judge. I will consider your verdicts,
and then I will render a punishment or I will

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equit the defendant. We're having the outkicked jury trial of
Jason Martin for not showing up to work. Yesterday due
to the quarter inch of snowfall. If you have not
seen our pictures, you can go to my Twitter feed
at Clay Travis or at j mart out Kick and
you can scroll back through and look at the evidence
of the weather conditions at the time in question. We

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may also need to, in fact, will play for the
jury your description of the weather conditions from the apartment
complex before we go to poll the jury. Is there
any other evidence that you believe should be entered in
your behalf Jason Martin, Yes, and I'm glad that you're
gonna give me an opportunity to mention this. The first
came from the spring Hill Police Department, and I retweeted

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this yesterday. They're about fifteen minutes or so from my door,
and they were talking about how a lot of drivers
are having to pull off the Inner States to actually
re clear their windshields because the fog was causing well, opacity.
If I want to continue to go back to my
favorite word, which I've written many times and columns on
your website, by the way, which I'm sure you're not
thrilled about now that you have come out against opaque.

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The second isn't I just think if you're going to
email somebody and say that your windshield you can't see
through it, you should not say it's completely opaque. By
the way, I think completely and opaque is totally not necessary.
Between the two by itself would stand alone. But if
you're going to let me bring in Danny G for this,

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because he witnessed the email, Danny G, if you're going
to say I can't see through my windshield, would you
not prefer that somebody say I can't see through my
windshield as opposed to saying that the windshield is completely opaque.
And when we asked showing off his vocabulary necessarily because
I don't know, I was not dumbing it down for

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my boys. Well, when we asked you about it. When
we asked you about it, that's when you started bragging
about being a spelling be champion. That's true. And then
you said, well, packing my word choice you then you
said you said, well, I dumbed it down for two
inner to that effect. If if you this has been
my like thing for a long time, like I've got
a pretty good vocabulary. But if you're trying to communicate

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with everybody and your goal is to say I can't
see out of my windshield. What you should say is
I can't see out of my windshield. You shouldn't describe
your windshield as being completely opaque. All right, we're gonna
bring back Will play his more thing. I gotta say.
I got one more thing that I'm gonna say, and
that is an email that came from the I Heart
Media market leader here in Nashville, person who runs us off.

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As one of your arguments yesterday was we're on the radio. Uh,
this isn't like other job. Part of the argument is
that I did my job, all right. A big part
of the argument that I haven't focused on yet is
that I did my job. If Bill Belichick was was
listening to this show right now this morning to prepare
for the Jacksonville Jaguars game, he would be listening and
thinking to himself, I wonder if Clay Travis did his job. Well,

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the answer is, yes, I did my job. I showed
up for work. I did all three hours despite the
weather conditions. All right, fair enough, so the boss, So
the boss here at this job that's supposed to be
so important that you're talking about. It's not like a
regular job. We're supposed to be on air Live. Remember
you said that yesterday. Well, this email came out sometime
around thirty minutes after I sent my email, and you
guys went after me. And it's quick and he says,

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good morning, folks, the roads are going to be slick.
Use your best judgment. If you feel the least bit
unsafe driving, then stay put. Officially, we're opening the office
at ten am. We'll see what happens until then. So
even the boss here didn't even come in until ten am.
A lot of people in this building. You talk about
Bobby Bones. I'm happy Bobby Bones made it in. His

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show's awesome and it's very very important. I know our
show is awesome and it's very very important as well.
But my life is more awesome than this damn radio show.
And thus I did what my boss at I Heart,
the guy that's in charge of this entire market in
Nashville suggested in an email, which actually was forwarded from
nine thirty pm the night before. That is evidence that

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needs to be out there. I did not get this email,
so I could you miss a lot of emails to
be true, I took a screenshot. I'll send it to you.
That could be true. So I'm gonna accept that this
is a real email. What I would also point out
is that Bobby Bones, who show makes four hundred million
dollars a year for the I Heart Company, and who
has approximately forty eight people who work on his show

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every morning, they work in the studio next to us,
and they were all there. They had a hundred percent participation.
And not that I'm gonna be sexist, but I'm gonna
be a little bit sexist here. A lot of people
who work on the Bobby Bones show are girls. And
a lot of girls got into their car and drove
themselves in the same exact weather conditions that you were

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unable to handle. A lot of girls got into their
car by themselves and drove themselves to the show. And
Bobby Bones had a hundred percent of his employees show
up to work on his show, and I had zero
percent of my employees show up to work on my show.
All right, the jury eight seven seven, six, three six nine,
We will go to you next. It's the OutKick, the

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coverage trial of Jason Martin. He year on Fox Sports Radio.
I thought this was America people, Oh yeah, guilty, It's
approved innocent hunt. That's how we're working huh. Okay, before
meet it was mini half the meeting would be none.

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of the parking lot. Do we have that audio ready
to go? This is one last bit of evidence in

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Jay Mart's defense. This is his description of the weather conditions. Um,
let me go to Jason Martin. Is the jury still
good to go? Are they there? Yes, they're there. Okay,
So I'm gonna play the this last clip of Jason
Martin describing the weather conditions, and then we will go
to the jury and every one of you and the
jury will get an opportunity to render your verdict. But

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first you will also I'll give you the opportunity to
ask any single question that you would like to ask
as well that may not have been asked already. All right,
So here is Jason Martin live yesterday on the air
describing the weather conditions. So there's the problem that stuff
right there, it's not pure snow, it's some kind of mixed.

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Plus there's this fog in the air. Like the whole
ideas and that we're getting a bunch of snow, the
whole ideas that all of this as soon as it
hits the windshield is sticking to it from top to bottom,
and there's just absolutely no way to see. It's fine
when the car is not moving, but when it's moving
and the wind is actually blowing against it, it just
immediately makes it untenable. Like I can show you the

(01:44:08):
cars and it's fine because if you use the windshield
wiper right there, it would be perfectly cool. But if
that car actually tried to drive after it cleaned itself off,
it just wouldn't work. I see some people saying defrostedt
eighties and not enough windshield wiper fluid, plus the defrost
won't actually ice over. That could be true. I didn't
want to risk that because if I throw ice or

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if I throw water on there, that immediately freezes from
the windshield fluid. Then I'm screwed either way. So that's
my issue. But this is this is the best that
I can give you. I never said that the snow
was untenable. I did slide a little bit, as you
can see. That could possibly happen in this situation because
this is a mixture of snow and ice and it's
packed down. But the general problem is you just can't

(01:44:52):
see out of the windshield. I still don't know how
Clay made it. I don't know. I mean, I know
he has a nice car, even though he's looking at
true car to try get himself a new one. At
least that's what he says in every damn Live read
that we've heard for the last two or three weeks.
But I'm stunned that he made it in. I thought
for sure he wouldn't, and then he would totally understand.
But of course he has to make it in. So

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now here comes a snows are after me. Screw you, guys,
you can kick sand that's Jason Martin in retrospect. Not
as good of a true Car spot as I thought,
because he's actually ridiculing me for doing a good job
of promoting our sponsors. They are fantastic. By the way,
they're looking for a car, you should go to true
car dot com. Um, all right, let's bring in the jury.

(01:45:33):
One more last question for you for me, J Mart,
you believe that if you use the windshield wiper fluid
in your car, it would immediately freeze on the windshield.
I did, yes, And now obviously I've heard that in
general that's not the case, although you actually get it
an email that sort of backed us up because we
both neither one when we talked about it yesterday really

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understood that for sure, and I think that at least
in some cases, it's not true. Alright, So go to
the jury. The jury and paneled nine different states right
now to weigh in on J. Mart. We go in
order Nate in New Mexican. By the way, J Mart,
before I go to the jury, you haven't been doing
anything other than taking their name and their fact that

(01:46:15):
they wanted to be on the jury. Like you haven't
stocked the jury in your favor. Um? Correct? I have not.
All I asked his name, where they're from? Do you
want to be on the jury? Thanks for calling. Yeah.
If anybody on the jury disputes that, then you can
take that up because I don't want him to put
put ringers in here. So I believe that you are
all impartial. Me let me wait wait okay, okay, okay, yeah,

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now we get a correction. All right. We've had two people,
we had two people call off the top of the
show that have waited on hold for the entire show
from two and a half hours. So we're gonna get
to and I did talk to them before you actually
laid that rule in place. That is, by the way,
incredible that they've been on hold for two and a
half hours. So that's excecting. Okay, let's start with Nate
in New Mexico. Nate, do you have any question for

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Jason Martin before you render your verdict? Actually, yeah, I do.
That last little piece that he spoke over the phone,
Uh kind of let up this question. Question is, uh,
do you think you're coming into a hottile work environment
every day that you and are you tired of the
play taking on you? But it sounds like there was
a possibility and in your voice, in you you have

(01:47:20):
the weather channel, you know what's going on, you have
four roel drive. Do you know what was ahead of you?
I'm thinking do you have a hostility and as the
birth place that I'd be a true statement yes or no. Wow,
that was a lot of um. There was a lot
of talking before you got to that question, Nate. But
I appreciate it. I've said this before. Everybody wants to
call up and say you have four wheel drive. Recall

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that I didn't care about the tires. Even though I'm
worried about other drivers and everything else I've driven in snow,
I wasn't worried about that four wheel drive. All of
that stuff has nothing to do with visibility. As for
your hostile work environment question, I don't have the time
to lay out the amount of evidence that is available
to me right like to I have to worry now

(01:48:01):
about a hashtag meat too movement for sexual harassment. I
don't know about sexual harassment, but it's been a pattern
of abuse of numerous styles. I'm gonna I'm gonna this
is outside the scope of the trial. Uh, Nate, what
is your verdict? Nate dropped off so before they did

(01:48:23):
you drop it or did he drop all? I did?
I forgot that he was supposed to do that at
the end. Okay, if you're it is like when somebody,
there's no evidence to say I'm guilty? Was my mate
Nate is voting guilty? Alright, we have one vote of guilty.
Brandon in Indianapolis, what's up? No wait, I forgot that.
I have an updated Let's go to Mike in Michigan.

(01:48:45):
Mike in Michigan, what have you got. I've got a
question for him? How far do you live from work
point six miles? Mike? Give me babbis crucify him? Wow?
Was that necessary question? My friend? Okay? Randy in Brentwood, Jason,

(01:49:11):
was it raining or snowing? It was a mixture between
the two. Randy. At times it was well, I mean
there was snow, but there was a lot of things
hitting that we're pinging off the windshield as well. Plus
we had the fog, which was just moisture that was
hanging there that was frozen. I refused to be on
a jury with a bunch of snowballers. This is all
about water against the super cold Service. I work on

(01:49:34):
a skipish roll here locally, and I'm a teacher, as
you know, of meteorology, and this happens all the time.
We call it black eyes. If it doesn't fit, you
must have quit. Wait, Hold on a minute. Where in
Brentwood are you from? What are in Brentwood? Yeah? Like,
what state? Are you in? The state of confusion? No,

(01:49:56):
I'm in Brentwood, Southern California, clay and there you feel. So,
how do you work on a ski slope? Well, we
have about nine ski areas here, most of them mock
rate through snowmaking. Actually, we have a very analogous situation
to Nashville. You work. Hold on a minute, Hold on
a minute, now, this is confusing. I'm not sure you're

(01:50:16):
You work in Brentwood, which is where O J killed
Nicole and the Ron Goldman, and you also work that's true,
But I taught in Moreno Valley, right, but you were
you work right now? You don't work right now on
a ski slope. I had worked for forty years where
the Big Bear Skier. All right, that's what I'm just confused, because,

(01:50:37):
first of all, Jason Martin has screwed up again because
I thought you were in Brentwood, Tennessee, as opposed to Brentwood, California.
Said Tennessee. No one knows who Brentwood. You should have said,
l A. And so I appreciate your vote. Randy. But
because Jason Martin has incompetently registered where you live, you're
a guilty vote as well. Travis and Merritt, Travis and

(01:51:00):
Arris ridiculous. Travis and I have two big quoestions. Jason,
didn't you check the weather forecast on Sunday night or
Monday night and Tuesday morning before you left? Absolutely that's
why I woke up early, and why I sent a
message to Clay saying, Hey, we need to be careful tomorrow.
There's gonna be weather issues. Defend the fact that between

(01:51:23):
the Bomby Band show and Outkicked the Cover, you're the
only employee that didn't make it in. I can't, except
for the fact that maybe what happened to me and
the wind show was a very isolated time frame within
that hour, and it was just an unlucky moment for
me and it didn't attack. Plus, I don't know where
Bobby lives, I don't know where his staff lives. I'm
not sure which direction they were coming from. I was

(01:51:44):
coming against the storm, which I've been told sometimes causes
real problems with the defroster, not being able to catch
up with what's going on on the highway. And in
the atmosphere that seems that's either you're coming against the storm.
Oh my goodness. Uh, those are really good questions. You
got another one. Yeah, what was what was the temperature

(01:52:06):
at the time? I believe we were at six team
with a windshill around five. Okay, all right, what's your verdict? Travis? Alright?
So are we doing like like? Are we doing like?
Are we just proving negligence? But we just just is
guilty or not guilty? Alright? Guilt? Yeah? Dan in Virginia beach, Dan,

(01:52:31):
what do you have? Yes, I'd like to know when
you were stopped the last time. You said that, when
the froster was working better and everything, did that ever
give you a chase that maybe you could continue your
your your trip into work. Well, I didn't say it
was working better, Dan, but I appreciate that you were
paying attention to what I said. What I actually was

(01:52:54):
saying is that I spent a lot of extra time
in that last stop and let it build up each
time time that I stopped before that, because I was
trying to get to work as expediently as possible as
soon as it cleared off, and I felt good to go,
I took off again. This time because I had made
the decision that I probably was not going to be
able to make it in I waited for an extra

(01:53:14):
five minutes and just let the defroster continue to defrost
each time, so that gave me more of an opportunity
and and enabled me to get back home easier. What
is your verdict? Just just one more question with the
how far were you from work to home? Uh? You
mean where I stopped and made the decision. Uh, it

(01:53:36):
was I probably have made it. I would say somewhere
between three and three and a half miles, give or take.
So you had ten miles to drive to work or
three and a half miles to drive back home roughly, Yes,
somewhere there yet. Okay, since everybody else got got there
and everything, you're guilty, Yeah, guilty? All right? Uh, we

(01:53:58):
have four more or five more people to pull plus
Justin Cooper has a question. But first I gotta bring
in Eddie Garcia find out what's trending. We will continue
the jury trial. Everybody who is still hanging with me,
you get your questions, You get to render your verdict
as well as you. Justin Cooper, all right, where we
got Eddie Garcia, all right, real quickly be trending well,
by the way, for Jason Martin right now, that is

(01:54:18):
that it seems like that's the case. Yes, Let's let's
tell you about the game of the night of the
NBA Pelicans over the Celtics in Boston one sixteen one
third seen in overtime as Boston the top team of
the East, saw at seven game winning Street come to
it and Anthony Davis leading New Orleans with forty five
points and sixteen rebounds. College basketball Battle of ranked Teams
Number fifteen North Carolina be twentieth rank Clemson eight seven

(01:54:39):
to seventy nine. It was Kansas State up setting fourth
rank Oklahoma eight seven sixty nine. In South Carolina Octop
Number A team Kentucky seventy six to sixty eight. Third
rank Perdue was a winner over Wisconsin seventy eight fifty
and play. Some notes from the NFL. The Seahawks announced
the hirings of Ken Norton Jr. As their new defensive
coordinator and Brian Schottenheimer's a new offensive coordinator. Rams offensive
coordinator Matt Lafleur is gonna interview for the Titans head

(01:55:01):
coaching vacancy and the Brown's gonna view former Giants head
coach then McAdoo for their offensive coordinator position. All right,
we've got five different guys still left on the trial
here mcguel in Texas, Mike and Nashville, Ronnie in New Mexico,
Robert and San Bernardino, and Shay and South Dakota. They
all have to render their verdicts. All coming next. This
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(01:55:25):
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or visit your local Honda dealer Today listener, trial of
Jason Martin underway for his refusal to appear at work

(01:55:45):
yesterday despite the fact that everybody else in the building
made it in due to a quarter inch of snowfall.
Gotta be fast here for the final five members of
the jury. Right now, we have a unanimous guilty verdict
rolling mcguel in Texas. What you got but question once
you realize you were not gonna keep make it to work,
and you're asking it. How long would you have taken

(01:56:07):
you to make it to work? A great question, Miguel, Yeah,
that's a fair question. I would say somewhere around based
on everything was going on, forty five minutes to an hour.
At least forty minutes to an hour. Alright, Miguel, what's
your verdict? I'm sorry, Jason, guilt guilty Mike and Nashville,

(01:56:30):
what's up? Mike? When you when you were a child,
were you the type that would wish for snow the
next day so that you could be off school and
go out and play in it? Yeah, weren't you? So
I think subconsciously that's what you wanted. And then you
got to get out of jail free card from the
email from the boss. So I think you planned ahead

(01:56:50):
for this and knew what you were doing. Guilty, guilty
and guilty statement and get the email until Ronnie, Ronnie
in New Mexico. What's up Ronnie? Yes, uh, no questions.
He is guilty. He's guilty of not being a little
to the company. He should hand in his man card
and the rest of the employees. I measured there should

(01:57:12):
just feeding cat for the rest of the week. Thank
you for the call, Ronnie. Guilty. You know it's Robert
in San Bernardino, California. Robert, what's your verdict? Absolutely not.
In a very similar situation fourth of July, on my
way to the beach, dropped my cooler ice all over
the driveway, about lost my mind. Couldn't leave a leaf

(01:57:33):
thirty minutes. Robert with a sarcastic not guilty. I'm taking
that as a guilty verdict. All right, Justin Cooper, you
had a question. Yeah, Now, I wasn't on duty during
the show, but I was here still in the studio
wrapping up, so I heard a lot of the hilarity
that ensued. Now my question. One of the jurors brought
this up and and it reminded me of this. He

(01:57:54):
asked you if you knew about this about you knew
about the weather, and you said, yes, that you would
plan for it, that you know, that's why you got
up early. But if that is true, Jason, then why
weren't the phones rerouted to l A. Oh? Why would
because I assumed that hold on, But I didn't even
hear your answer, because Justin Cooper actually with a when

(01:58:17):
I would classify potentially as a blockbuster question there, you
didn't prepare for the fact that you might not make
it in. I mean, I guess that's true, but I
thought I was gonna make it in. There was no
part of me that thought what I thought it was
a blockbuster question initially. Now I can see both sides
here because your argument, if you're Jason, is I expected
to be in. If I had known I wasn't gonna

(01:58:38):
come in, then I would have rerouted the phones. So
I think if there was any chance of him not
being and it should have been rerouting. Well, that's true.
Why you guys do a really terrible job of answering
the phone. It's just a tax being levied out of
here left and right, all right? So uh final verdict? Uh,
you want to get Shay real quick? Shay in South Dakota.

(01:59:01):
That's what I mean, the final Shay in South Dakota.
What is your Do you have any question and what's
your verdict? I do have one question, Um, could you
have taken the back roads that were so nice on
the way back home to work in the first place?
Why could you not have driven slower and not gotten
on the interstate if the speed was causing you problems
with your icing. A fantastic question by Shay in South Dakota.

(01:59:23):
I mean, I suppose so accept it adds another five
miles and about fifteen stoplights to the commute. And I
would have actually would have added about nine miles because
I would have had to backtrack because I wouldn't have
figured it out until I got all the way to
the interstate to get that. You still would have gotten
to work. Yeah, like two hours into the show. Why
would I do that? All right, Shay in South Dakota.

(01:59:44):
What's your verdict? Did you hang up on him again?
You up? He was gonna say I was guilty. Just
leave it alone. We didn't get the fun of hearing,
all right. I believe we pulled. Did we get ten
different jurors, ten different jurors. It was a unanimous guilty verdict,
I said, I would take into consideration. When you have
a unanimous guilty verdict, it's not even a difficult decision

(02:00:07):
for me. All Right, there's the people's court music. That
was at least a good pull. All right, I find
you the undersigned defendant Jason Martin, as the judge, jury
and executioner and final arbiter of all decisions on this show.
Guilty of dereliction of your duties as producer of Outkicked

(02:00:29):
the coverage. I will consider hold on, hold on, I
will allow my verdict. I'm gonna have sentencing tomorrow. I'm
not sure exactly what your punishment should be. You are guilty.
May God have mercy on your soul. Soul play the
final segment. Guilty? Is that what you want to hear,

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