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you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. I'm gonna dive into
the coronavirus here in a minute, because I think there's
a lot of good positivity. But first negativity that came
last night in the world of sports and allegation that
someone hung a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage at Talladega.

(02:16):
There was a rainout at Talladega, and it's gonna be
much discussed surrounding uh the race and certainly NASCAR because
Bubba Wallace was involved in the flashpoint of the Confederate
flag being banned in NASCAR. We've got Jason Whitlock on
the program and I'm going to discuss that with him
in detail. So we will get to that, we will

(02:38):
discuss it, and we will have a contemplation on that
story as it is developing. But first, the biggest story
I would say that has been afflicting the world of
sports in general has been the coronavirus. Whether it's the NBA,
Major League Baseball, college football, the NFL, there are a
ton of different angles to hit coming out of the weekend,

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and I want to dive in that before we talk
with Whitlock as our first guest coming up shortly, so
let's talk coronavirus in the meantime. I know there's a
lot of nattering, nave obs of negativity as they were
once characterized in the nineties seventies out there in the
media who want to scare you to death every single day,
and I know it infiltrates in many ways into the

(03:21):
world of sports. Where over the weekend you saw a
lot of people spreading what I call fear porn. It
is Oh my god, l s you look at what happened.
Look at how many players got tested positive. Look at Clemson,
look at the look at the teams down in Major
League Baseball. Oh, the NBA is scared now about the

(03:41):
idea of being in the state of Florida. All of
these stories just constantly hitting you and assaulting you can
at times be overwhelming. And what I have been trying
to do, and by the way, you guys are responding
insanely positively to it is share actual facts with you
and let you use them in an intelligent way. And

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so as we walk through here, I tweeted this out
on Sunday night. I tweeted on Sunday, just two hundred
and ninety seven people in the entire country died of
the coronavirus. That's the lowest number of deaths nationwide since March.

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So that's almost right after when Rudy Gobert walked off
the basketball court, and the NBA shut down, and the
n C Double A tournament shut down in the and
and and and the NHL and every sport basically shut down.
From a team sport perspective, we're almost back to their now.
If you look at the chart of deaths, we are

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way down on the back end of that chart again.
Just two hundred and ninety seven deaths today, the lowest
number of deaths since March. We had a peak number
of deaths that were set in late April in this country.
Since that time, deaths from the coronavirus in this country

(05:13):
are now down since that peak was set in late April. Okay,
those are facts which should be the number one story
in all of America. It should be the number one
story for everybody out there who's worried about sports coming back.
It should be the number one story about the NFL

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and college football in the NBA and Major League Baseball
in the NHL and everything else out there. It should
be a huge story that just two ninety seven people
died nationwide today. That's the lowest number of deaths since March.
And also the fact that deaths are now down nine

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since the peak was set in late April. Yet, I
want you to keep track of this. You are hearing
me talk about it on Monday morning to start your day.
I want you to keep track of this, how many
other people in media will share those facts with you,
as opposed to the number of people out there who

(06:20):
will share how many people from Clemson have tested positive
or how many people from l s You have tested
positive or any of those stories. And again, I want
to dive into those numbers as well, because I think
it's important that context be put into perspective on the
coronavirus here. And I still see so many people in

(06:40):
media choosing to embrace fear over embracing facts. All right,
here are some facts for you for college kids. Just
focusing on college kids right now. College kids are more
likely to die of the flu or pneumonia than they
are to die of the corona virus. It's gonna stun

(07:02):
a lot of you out there. If you are under
twenty four years old in this country, you are more
likely to die from the flu or pneumonia than you
are from the coronavirus. It's a big, massive stat as
it pertains to the return of college athletics. Again, we

(07:23):
don't ever shut anything down for the flu or pneumonia.
If you are under twenty four years old, you are
more likely to die from the flu or pneumonia than
you are from the coronavirus. Most college kids who are
playing football or basketball or any other sport are more
likely to die driving to campus then they are from

(07:47):
the coronavirus on campus. I talked to a lot of
people this weekend. I said, what's the story behind this
Clemson and l s U uptick in the overall number
of infections. And what I heard was, it's college kids
being college kids. They got back on campus. There are
girls they know that live in these college towns, and

(08:10):
they went out to the bars, and they went to
the parties, and they were wherever the girls were. It's
a story as old as time. If you went to college, heck,
if you went to high school, heck, if you are
a heterosexual man who is listening to me right now,
you probably remember being eighteen and nineteen and twenty years old,

(08:32):
and what did you spend the vast majority of your
free time doing? Chasing girls? And that's particularly the case
if you have been off campus for months and you
haven't been around any girls at all, and suddenly you're
back on a college campus. Mom and dad, you're not
in their house. You don't have to play by their rules.

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You got your own apartment, you got your own dorm
room and you are going to go out and have
a good time. That's where these infections are coming from.
They're asymptomatic. A lot of times people want to talk
about what's going on in Florida. The governor of Florida
came out and he said the average age of people

(09:14):
now that are testing positive is super young. They have
gone from the average age being sixty five to the
average age being thirty seven. Florida is gonna get a
lot of attention because it's where the NBA is planning
to be. It's because it's where the MLS is planning
to be. And Ronda Santis, who came on this program recently,

(09:38):
the governor of Florida, he tweeted out some data points
here that I think are pretty interesting. He said, this
week Florida has seen a large number of new cases
from those eighteen to thirty five. Here's the average age
of people testing positive for the coronavirus in all these
different places in Florida. Broward County thirty two, Duval you,

(10:03):
Jacksonville people twenty nine years old, Hillsboro, which I believe
is Tampa thirty years old, Orange County which is where
Orlando is twenty nine year olds, Panellis County twenty nine
year olds, Seminole County twenty seven year olds. All right,
these are super young people. That's the median age of

(10:26):
new cases UH for June nine in the Florida counties
that Rhonda Santis shared with us. Okay, why is that?
It's because young people are going out and living uh.
And they've been cooped up, and they want to go
to bars, and they want to go to restaurants, and

(10:48):
they want to chase after other young people. Right. Stats
here for you about Florida. There are now twice as
many of beds available right now in Florida then before
for this pandemic began. There are way fewer COVID nineteen patients.
And I see you and on ventilators in Florida right

(11:09):
now then in April. And this is important. Every time
somebody goes to the hospital now in Florida, they test
you to see whether or not you have the coronavirus,
which is another reason. As you have started back up
elective surgeries, the overall numbers have surged again. This is

(11:30):
actual data from the State of Florida that they put
out yesterday Okay, So now anybody can be tested at
any age and regardless of their symptoms. And I told
you guys this last week, I went and got tested
because I was like, man, I want to know what
it's like to get tested for the coronavirus. And so

(11:52):
I did it. Here in Nashville, they have drive up
coronavirus testing. I went in the car, pulled right up,
got the swap bob in the nose. That felt super weird,
because I was like, you know what, I want to
know what this experience is like, because I think a
lot of athletes and coaches are gonna be going through
it on a regular basis, and I feel like I

(12:13):
should be talking about it from a position of having
experienced it. I didn't want to do it earlier because
I didn't want to take away any of the medical
resources from people who needed it. But in lots of states,
I can't speak specifically to your state, but certainly in
the state of Florida, where I've spent a lot of
time and where by the way, I'm gonna be next
week for July fourth week, and in the state of

(12:35):
Tennessee where I live, you can just go right up.
You don't have to have any symptoms at all, you
can get tested. It took me fifteen minutes, pulled right up,
didn't even have to get out of the car. The
efficiency and uh and smoothness of that test blew my mind.
Now I did it. Also, I didn't want to say
this beforehand because I don't want to put them you know,
you know sometimes uh, you don't necessarily want to talk

(12:56):
about your family. I know that's ironic coming from me,
But my wife and one of my sons got tested
in the car too, and they call you. And they
called my wife and my son on Friday, they said,
you're perfectly fine, don't have the coronavirus at all. They
haven't called me yet, but they just called the phone
number and tell you the results. So I'll let you

(13:17):
guys know when I get officially my results. But there
were three of us in the car, my wife and
one of my sons. We were like, let's go try
it out. Let's see what it's like to be tested.
And two of them have already gotten their results back.
They were negative. My results haven't come back at all yet,
but I obviously feel great. I don't feel like I
have any issues at all. But that's what's happening now

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with a lot of these young people. They're asymptomatic and
they're getting tested to go back to work, or they
find out that one of their friends got it and
so they decided to go in and get tested and
they find out that they've got it as well. So
why does that matter. Well, you're hearing a lot about
the total number of cases. What you're not hearing a
lot about is how many of these cases are actually severe.

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And what typically has happened is half of the people
that have died of the coronavirus have been in nursing homes. Well,
only point six percent of the American population is in
nursing homes. So if we can keep this thing out
of nursing homes, then the chances of death occurring for
young and healthy people is downright menuscule. As I just said,

(14:24):
flu and pneumonia is more likely to kill you, and
we never shut down any sports for flu and pneumonia.
And we're talking about super healthy people, right. Athletes are
young and the healthiest people on the entire planet. It's
not to say that one or two of them could
not have serious issues. But what you're not hearing about

(14:45):
the l s U and the Clemson situation is you're
not hearing anybody talk about those players having to be hospitalized.
And honestly, this is where we talked about some of
this on the show. This is where I kind of
wonder if there's a diet All, like a coach out
there who's like man, I would rather my entire team
get exposed to the coronavirus now in the preseason so

(15:08):
that we'll never have a guy missed the game for
the coronavirus once the actual season starts. And arguably these
guys testing positive asymptomatic before training camp even starts is
good regardless, because it starts to give her immunity to
the locker room. Because you want to be able, the

(15:29):
more people who have been exposed to it, the less
rapidly it spreads through the locker room because a lot
of guys have had it already. Now. To be fair, immediately,
anytime you share data like this, people say what about
older coaches or what about older people who might be
on campus. This is where you have to be smart.
This is why I think the data matters. You have

(15:50):
to give the real data to people out there, and
you have to say, hey, based on your age and
based on your health conditions, would it be smarter for
you not to coach this year? Would it be smarter
for you not to be a professor this year on campus?
Would it be smarter for you to do this remotely?
Would it be smarter for you to continue to quarantine

(16:12):
yourself by and large and keep yourself from interacting with
younger people. If you are a younger person and you
are listening to me right now, and you say, Clay,
I have been cooped up for so many months. I
just want to get out and have a life. I
understand that. What I would encourage you to do is,
if that is your choice, stay away from your grandparents,

(16:35):
Stay away from your older aunt or uncle, Stay away
from your mom and dad if they are older, talk
to him on the phone. Social distance from older people.
In the event that you are asymptomatic, don't know you're sick,
and then you don't want to take it and give
it to somebody else. So if you are of the opinion,

(16:56):
you know what, Clay, and I know some of you
who are listening to me feel like this. You're like,
I'm ready to go back to campus. Man, Clay, I'm
twenty years old. I am over this coronavirus thing. I
want to be back out hanging out with my friends.
I've been sitting in my house with my parents forever.
You don't know how tough it is. I feel like
I'm totally socially isolated. I've got a girl I've been

(17:18):
talking to. She wants to meet up. I think we
can hook up. That's what's going on. That's why young
people are off the charts testing positive right now. Now.
If you believe in her immunity as I do, that's
not all a bad thing, because what it means is

(17:38):
we don't We can't stop a virus from spreading. Right.
If you remember when they told us to go into
our houses back in March, it wasn't with the idea
that we were gonna be there forever. It was with
the idea that we were gonna flatten the curve. Well
we have. We haven't seen any hospital in America overloaded

(17:58):
and having to turn patient into way hasn't happened most
of America hospitals. We actually nearly bankrupted them because we
stopped elective surgery and there weren't enough patients to keep
doctors and nurses employed. But that's a whole another story.
But flattening the curve worked, so you can't stop the

(18:18):
virus from spreading forever. Arguably, what we would like to
do is have the virus spread among young, healthy people
who are not gonna need to be hospitalized until we
can start to get some sort of herd immunity out there.
But again, what I would say is, I would implore
you if you are young and you spent this weekend

(18:40):
out chasing girls, or you spent this weekend out chasing boys,
or whatever you did to spend your weekend, if you
were out in bars, if you were out in restaurants,
if you were at house parties, if you were in
a big group of people, stay away from your grandparents.
You may feel perfect and take the virus to them,
But overall, the media should not be trying to terrify

(19:04):
all of you to death. And the NBA and the
MLS and Major League Baseball in the NHL, and college
football in the NFL, they need to look at the
data and recognize that by and large their athletes are
under greater danger from the flu and pneumonia every single year.
And we don't shut down anything and so overall, I'm

(19:27):
very frustrated at the inability to share basic facts and
let you guys make smart decisions about your lives. And
so this is this is disappointing, uh to me when
I see this data and I see it not being
shared in an intelligent fashion. Again, I would just ask

(19:48):
you this as we roll through the program here, how
many people in media are going to tell you that
our national death rate on Monday morning as you start
off your day is down ninet percent from the coronavirus,
or that we had just two hundred and ninety seven
deaths from the coronavirus nationwide today. So he will say,

(20:09):
we'll put the two in perspective, Clay, Okay, every single
day in America, on average, seventy undred people die of
a variety of different causes. So right now in America
on Sunday, it stinks. I wish nobody died. I know
a lot of people constantly have had issues with people

(20:29):
with a variety of their family being ill all throughout
this year. But seventy two hundred people on average died
of something other than the coronavirus on Sunday. Putting that
into percentage of terms nine six percent of all deaths
in America on Sunday, based on these numbers, were from

(20:52):
something other than the coronavirus. You would think coronavirus deaths
being down by nine since April would be a huge story.
You would think that it would be everywhere the number
one story in America. Instead, this morning, I bet from
just about every media source, the number one story is

(21:14):
gonna be talking about Florida. It's gonna be talking about Arizona,
it's gonna be talking about Texas. That's where the story
is gonna be. And I'm not saying that I that
I'm that this is totally a non story. Certainly, I
wish there were no coronavirus deaths or cases out there
at all. But what we are seeing is opening back

(21:34):
up states, letting people go back to work. It's impossible
to stop the virus. It's going to continue to spread.
What we need to do is make sure that it
doesn't spread among the population that's the most vulnerable. So
I wouldn't be nervous if I'm in charge of the NBA.
I wouldn't be nervous if I'm in charge of the

(21:54):
MLS or Major League Baseball, or college football or the
NFL because the data doesn't reflect that I should be nervous,
But I would be nervous if I looked at the
way the media is covering this by and large and
the degree of fear porn that they are trying to embrace.
So when we come back, Jason Whitlock will join us,

(22:17):
We'll talk about the latest on Bubba Wallace and the
first week of what being a partner with me at
OutKick was like. This is outkicked, the coverage with Clay Travis.
We bring in now Jason Whitlock, my partner at OutKick.
You can find him on Twitter at Whitlock Jason. And

(22:39):
so as a preliminary before I even get to the
question whoever did this? With NASCAR is able to find
out who did it? And you would think with a
lot of cameras and limited access, particularly in the coronavirus
era two garages, if someone is is not on camera,
that would be a huge surprise. I would think this

(23:00):
would be something where the person could be caught and
whoever the perpetrator is would presumably be banned for life
from NASCAR, among other things. There are a lot of
details we still don't know. This is very fluid in
terms of the way it's being covered and all the
details coming out, but a lot of people are obviously

(23:22):
discussing it. Jason Whitlock, when you heard about this, what
were your thoughts? What would you have in terms of
analysis at this point? Well, I just heard about us
this morning, and so I want to be careful here
what I say, but I've been a uh somewhat passionate

(23:43):
supporter of Bubba Wallace and his efforts to get sponsorship
within NASCAR to really be able to go for it
on the NASCAR Cup Series. And I'll say this, I
tend to agree with you. I think they'll be able
to find out exactly who did this and remove them

(24:03):
from any involvement with NASCAR because something like this, to
me probably had the been the work of someone within NASCAR.
I just can't imagine them outside being able to get access,
uh to his garage, and so I hope we find
out who the perpetrator is, and I'm sure NASCAR will
take tough action, but I just I'm just hearing about

(24:26):
this this morning. I want to take some more time
to think about it before offering up a really, really
super strong opinion. I totally get that and there are
a lot of people obviously who immediately have hot takes
on a variety of different subjects. This is a serious one,
and to me, the storyline is if NASCAR can figure
out who did this, and certainly you would think that

(24:48):
if it is done, it's probably done by someone inside
of NASCAR. If they figure out who did this, it's
a lifetime band situation. And I mean it's just an
awful situa waition for NASCAR, which is trying to expand
its audience right now. Yeah, I think Bubba Wallace and
you know NASCAR's recent decision, uh to ban the Confederate flag,

(25:14):
it does tensions are running high. And for someone to
try to intimidate Bubba Wallace at this time, given the
racial tensions throughout the country, and then given the actions NASCAR,
this may bannon be a Confederate flag. I can't say
something like this was bound to happen, but I'm not shocked.

(25:36):
And honestly, those tensions are a big part of why
we decided to start OutKick because we thought and believe,
I think Jason, both you and I that sports should
be a unifying factor, not a point of disunity. And so,
uh we had the first week of OutKick. I thought
it went really, really well. But this is one of

(25:57):
the things that we think it's important to address, right
is that you obviously are a black guy. I'm a
white guy, and there are a lot of different people
of different backgrounds listening to us right now, but what
we're united in is a common love of sports. Yeah.
I think that was a big part of the draw
for me to one be a part of a really

(26:18):
really honest conversation, because I think the lack of honesty
is actually driving us apart, and you know, people aren't
having real conversations and people are getting very frustrated by it,
and I think it increases the racial divide. And so
you know, I tried to start out this first week

(26:40):
and out Kicked, trying to produce as much content as
I could on these topics that right now are hot
button issues and providing a lot of tension and negativity
in the sports world. And so, you know, wrote seven
days in the first week. I actually thought Clay I
was going to write even more often, but the columns

(27:02):
I ended up writing were so much longer and more
involved and on such sensitive topics that I ended up
just writing one column a day. But you know, I'm
proud of what we accomplished the first week. I think
we sent out a message to sports fans that this
is going to be a place, uh for a more

(27:23):
honest conversation and analysis of what's going on in the
sports world, even on these very difficult topics related to race.
And you know, I hope we're going to be a
leader in that discussion because you know, I think we're
open to all responsible conversation, and I think that we're

(27:45):
open and we're just gonna be more honest, forth right,
uh than the rest of our media competitors can be. Jason,
you have written eight columns now, and i'd encourage people
to go check out the column that you wrote this morning,
which is already up at our kicking, is pretty outstanding.
But one of the ones over the weekend, I can't
even remember if it was Saturday or Sunday, was about

(28:07):
a pretty powerful idea, the idea that uh, Lebron James
should bring his shoe being made back to the United States.
And you built it up on talking about your mom
and your dad both working in unions and how incredibly
impactful Lebron bringing his shoe back to the United States

(28:32):
could be And again I would encourage people to go
to OutKick dot com to read about this. This is
a discussion that doesn't occur that often. It's super smart idea.
What to you makes it such a good idea? For
Lebron and uh and what he represents well, I just
think for Lebron, for Colin Kaepernick, these guys that say,

(28:57):
and again I'm not gonna question their legitimacy of their passion,
but they say therefore helping the disenfranchise, want to help
the black community. I don't think there's anything they could
do more powerful. Particularly Lebron James, who has a billion
dollar contract with Nike. I don't think there's anything he

(29:18):
could do more powerful. Then put some pressure on Nike
to bring some manufacturing jobs back from Asia where they
rely on slave labor, and put those manufacturing jobs in
like a city like Akron or a city like Oakland,
and empower families and parents and adults to help them

(29:43):
become self sufficient. Because again, I came from a family
of union workers. My mom was a factory union worker
for Western Electric A T and T. My dad started
out at Christler Motor Company working on the assembly line
union worker. Then he squit started his own business, first

(30:05):
of barbershop and then a neighborhood taverns that catered to
factory workers union factory workers. And that was how my
parents achieved the American dream of lifting up their two sons,
me and my brother and pushing us farther along in life.

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My dad didn't graduate high school. Me and my brother
both graduated from college. We both have put together professional careers.
We've both taken the next step forward for our family,
and we did it off the backs of factory workers.
And I just think there needs to be a place

(30:47):
for unskilled labor in America to be able to achieve
the American dream. So many of our manufacturing jobs have
been moved overseas and they need to be moved back
because not everyone wants to go to college. A lot
of people are like Lebron James, they really don't want

(31:08):
to go to college. There needs to be a place
and a career, a job for those people to live
out their American dream to be self sufficient. So I
just don't think there's anything more powerful than Lebron can
do or any of these athletes. Instead of gestures, promote
jobs and promote the companies that you work for, your

(31:32):
primary employers, to bring those jobs back to America so
they can help other people improve their lives and improve
the lives of their kids. That's where I think Lebron
and these athletes should go, get away from gestures and
get into the promotion of jobs. We'll continue this conversation
with Jason Whitlock at Whitlock Jason. Next, this is outkicked

(31:57):
the coverage with plates Travis Lebron. James wears Equality sneakers.
They are made by virtual slave labor overseas in Asia.
Those sneakers sell for a hundred and eight two hundred
dollars here or more sometimes in the United States. It
would seem to fit Lebron's James brand to bring his

(32:21):
factory at least part of him back to America to
make his shoes. Certainly, it would seem like this is
a conversation media members should be having. Why aren't we
Why are a lot of people out listening to us
right now driving into work, Jason Whitlock, Why are a
lot of people who are listening to us on the
podcast just hearing and thinking about this idea for the
first time? Why aren't others discussing it well, I think

(32:46):
that Lebron James and Nike, and particularly Nike. Nike has
done a great job with its relationship with the media
and particularly key media members. They have invited the media
to Oregon and giving them opportunities to shop at discounted
prices for years that that's commonplace, well known. And then

(33:08):
they have Nike reps that work with the sports media outlets,
the sports leagues, and they have relationships with the media.
Then when you talk in where we're atting the media
now over the last ten fifteen years, where everybody in
the media pretty much has an agent, Uh they have,

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and many of them have a PR person or a
PR person that works for the agency. And these are
the same agencies and same PR people that work with
the athletes. And so when you're Lebron James and you
know one of your primary handlers is c A A
and CIA also represents people in the key people in

(33:55):
the media, Uh, you know, everybody same And look, I
was previously represented by c A two different times, but
everybody's gonna get on the same page because what's good
for Lebron is good for the major agencies and good
for the media people that are, uh, you know, have

(34:16):
relationships business relationships with the major agencies, and so you
know not to tute our own horn. And again obviously
you're still repped by c A. But this is what
the beauty of out Kick is is we're really trying
to be an independent voice where people can say exactly
what they think without having that pressure of you know,

(34:39):
all these different relationships and who's going to object? And
are you singing the right tune for everybody? And and
so I just think you're not hearing that conversation for
those reasons. And look, Lebron, when you make the kind
of money he's worth probably a half billion dollars, that's
a really powerful person. This isn't thirty years ago when

(35:03):
the athletes made a million dollars a year, the top ones,
and and you know they were not on the same
level as the journalists at they're covering. But there wasn't
this great, great, huge divide a guy worth a half
billion dollars who's backed by Nike that generates I think

(35:25):
forty billion a year, and people to do the Scott
to remember, Nike's bigger and more powerful than the NFL,
major League Baseball in the NBA combined, and so, uh,
Lebron is the power. And that's what's comical about people
acting like they're fighting the power by supporting Lebron James.

(35:50):
Lebron actually is the power and he and again that
doesn't mean you have to fight with him, but you
should be questioning power and authority. But we're just not
a lot of people have built careers around their access
and coverage to Lebron James. They don't want to get
cross ways with him. He has a lot of friends

(36:11):
in the media that will go after you if you do.
And you know, he's got social media uh uh set
up in a way that if you criticize him or
question him in any kind of way, there will be
a major attack against you. And so I just think
a lot of people think it's just not worth the hassle.

(36:33):
If you question Lebron James, you're gonna be smeared as
racist and or an uncle Tom. This again, this wasn't
the way things were when Michael Jordan was at the
height of his powers, and he was a very powerful person.
But we didn't have this social media mob calling you
races for questioning Michael Jordan's and everyone questioned Michael Jordan.

(36:56):
A lot of it, as we found out in Last Dance,
was unfair questions, I mean, are irresponsible question, but no
one was really afraid the question Michael Jordan's people. Jordan
got questioned about whether he was responsible for his dad's murder, Like,
say whatever you will about the coverage that Lebron James
has ever received. What's the meanest thing that people have

(37:18):
said publicly about Lebron James? Nowhere any when I criticized
Lebron for dunking at his son's AU game, And I
think that was really in the lineup. But I mean
to put that into perspective for people out there who
were like, oh, Jordan had an easier go of it.

(37:39):
I think just the parts you saw from the Last Dance.
I mean the media was different, but newspapers were writing
front page articles like, hey, did Michael Jordan have something
to do with the murder of his dad? Was this
related to his gambling problems? To his gambling debts. I
remember that being a common discussion even when I was
a kid. I'm sure you remember it at the time.

(38:01):
Nothing remotely close to that has been said about Lebron. No.
I think most of the criticism. Lebron has been very tame,
very fair, Uh, nothing below the belt. But any criticism
of him is portrayed is that like, oh my god,
how could you do this? Lebron won't be able to

(38:21):
sleep tonight on his silk satin sheets in his forty
bedroom mansion. Uh, you know, how is he going to
sleep tonight? When when you criticize his television show The
Shop because you know, Lebron's on their dropping the in bomb,
so that that's just that's just crazy and it's so racist,
and you know you hate black people because you questioned

(38:43):
something about Lebron James. We've just moved to a very
ridiculous place where the worship of celebrities like Lebron James
is promoted and it's the standard, and if you don't
go along, you will be trashed. Coming back with more
with Jason Whitlock. We got into it with Mike Florio
of Pro Football Talk. What was that story? Where did

(39:06):
it come from? Be sure to catch live editions about
kick the Coverage with Clay Travis week days at six
am Eastern, three am Pacific. Hanging out with Jason Whitlock,
my partner and crime at OutKick and we've been doing
this now for a full week. We announced it last
week on the program. He wrote seven columns. I'd encourage
you to go read his columns. Just basically bookmark OutKick

(39:28):
in general. If you're sitting around at work, you're sitting
around on your phone, you're standing in line somewhere, you've
got time to kill, uh, just check out the stuff
that we're putting up on a regular basis. We got
a lot of smart, talented people putting out a lot
of content on a daily basis at OutKick dot com. Um.
And I I don't want to speak exactly for you, Jason,
but I know uh that we have talked a lot

(39:49):
about how we want to use out kick as an
opportunity to lift up younger voices than us. Right, Uh,
you're fifty. I'm in my forties now now, Uh, there
is a lot of younger people out there that maybe
want to be the next generation. The people like us
who are in you know, they're twenty one or twenty two. Now,

(40:09):
they're younger, they're a little bit older or whatever the
case may be, and they're trying to find their way
in this world. And we want to have a lot
of different younger voices that we start to develop as
a part of out Kick, and uh, I know that's
important to me. I think it's also very important to you.
And as a part of that, we don't want people
who just have the exact same thoughts as us. I mean, granted,

(40:31):
if you're listening out there, you can have a different
opinion than me or Jason Whitlock. You're probably wrong because
we probably have thought through it better than you. We
probably make a better argument. I say that to everybody
in the country except my wife, who I immediately acknowledge
is always right and I'm always wrong. But even on
Father's Day weekend, and by the way, belated Happy Father's
Day to a lot of dad's out there. Um, but

(40:51):
one of the things that happened over the weekend, I
wake up on Saturday and you were pointing out going
after a writer on the website called Pro Football Talk,
Mike Florio, who is who is newly woke, right, He's
everything is super woke to him, and he was criticizing
Donald Trump because Donald Trump had not tweeted. I can't

(41:13):
believe this is a real world, had not tweeted about
June tenth, and somebody pointed out to Mike Florio, Hey,
wait a minute, You've been on this website on Twitter
for you know, fifteen years or whatever the heck it is,
and you never mentioned Juneteenth until this year either, and
then you took it from there, and what happened, Well,
I just pointed out that I saw the guys tweet

(41:36):
and and I just point out, look, Mike Florio in
fifteen years of owning NFL Talk and then converted into
Pro Football Talk, selling it to NBC in two thousand
and nine, Mike Florial is now on Sunday Night Football's
pregame show. He's made millions of dollars through talking about

(41:57):
the NFL on different websites, on television and and now
in the digital space. And he's never hired a black
writer ever in fifteen years. And I just get tired
of hearing all of this support of every woke gesture
and him calling out different people for not doing a

(42:21):
gesture that he believes in, or not showing support in
whatever little symbolic way that he thinks support should be
shown for black people. And I just think it's phony.
And I think I've asked Mike for at least three
years publicly over social media. I was like, hey, Mike,

(42:42):
when are you gonna hire someone black? Legitimize these criticisms
of everyone else that you're leveling out there, legitimize your
support of Colin Kaepernick by hiring someone black. At Pro
Football Talk, You've made millions of dollars. You have an
incredible amount of power and influence. Hire someone black. Make

(43:04):
me believe you're serious about this and that this woke
stuff isn't a beard covering up what you really think.
And so, you know, I challenged him in that way.
This is not the first time I've done it. I've
done it several times, and you know, he offered up
some weak response and it just made me fire back

(43:26):
on him and even more. And then all of a sudden,
you came in a third man into the ring, off
the top rope and just started clubbing him, and uh,
you know, he started going back and forth with you,
And it just infuriates me because I think Mike's I

(43:48):
followed the NFL Talk and Pro Football Talk and Mike
Florio for a long time and and Mike, and one
of his tweets said, when I called him out about
not hiring a black writer, the guy said something about, well,
you may not remember, but I asked you about writing
for Pro Football Talk years ago and you said I

(44:09):
couldn't afford you. And I was just blown away by
that response because I'm not the only black sports writer
in America. Uh. I think you know. I'm gonna sound
arrogant here, but the fact that you couldn't land possibly
the best sportswriter in America is proof that I shouldn't

(44:29):
pursue anybody else is a joke. I mean again, When
I started The Undefeated, we hired some young people that
we had to develop. When I went to Speak for
Yourself and doing that television show, we hired some young
people that had to be developed and nurtured. You don't

(44:50):
have to start at the top. If you have a
real commitment to empowering people and trying to help them
improve their lot and helping them pull themselves up by
the bootstraps, you may have to reach down and help
someone develop and give him an entry level a job
rather than, oh, you know, Jason Whitlock, who works for

(45:11):
ESPN and the Kansas City Start has been recognized all
over the country is one of the best sports triers
in America. If I can't get him. My search for
black talent stops there. That's a joke. He's also not
been able to explain it right you. You point out
that he wants to be super woke, and he wants
to come after other people for not being woke enough

(45:33):
and everything else, and he's never hired anybody to write
for him who's black. He responded to me, this is
a direct quote. You're a smart guy, or at least
you believe you are. Take a step back. Look at
how many people we employ, Look at how little turnover
we've had. One of my four full time writers is female.

(45:54):
Have you ever hired a female? Does this mean you're
a misogynist? See how easy that is? And I don't know.
I mean, he's not a very smart guy. I think
that's one of the things that he thinks he's smarter
than he is. But he just walked right into a
haymaker because he could have done a little bit of research.
I had a female editor for four years on OutKick.
She literally ran the site. So I responded, Yeah, the

(46:17):
editor of OutKick for four years was a woman, So yes,
we've hired a woman. She ran the site. But back
to you, he was bragging about how many people read
his site and everything else. I said, hey, with all
those page views and the huge success you've been bragging about,
you still couldn't afford to employ a single black person
in fifteen years. Interesting. And then, then, to be fair,

(46:39):
all the OutKick community was just I mean, he was
trending right on Saturday. If you missed all this, and
if you want to see a recap of it, you
can go read it at OutKick. But he was trending.
And he still hasn't responded to any of this because
people started going back into his archives at Pro Football
Talk and he called I mean, he had salted Mike

(47:01):
Tarrico pretty aggressively. I don't even think I can say
what he said about Mike to Rico on the radio
these days. Uh. He also said that Michael Strahan was gay. Uh.
He's got all sorts of wildly not woke comments that
he's made about gay people that are just like, way
over the top, and he still hasn't responded to any

(47:21):
of that. But this goes to the thesis that you
and I have in general here and by the way,
appreciate all the people who researched that it's not like
I'm going back through And by the way, I'm not
a believer in cancel culture. But it is often the
case that the people who are the most woke now
publicly are terrified of their past being uncovered and often

(47:42):
trying to hide something, right, Like they're trying to be
something that they haven't been before because they're afraid the
Twitter mob is gonna come after them. And look, you
can agree or disagree with me. You can a degree
or disagree with you. I've known you for a long time. Now,
you've known me for a long time. We can put
my wife on the radio. She'd say, I say the

(48:02):
same thing off the air that I say on the air.
You might not like me, but I am pretty much
the exact same person sitting on sitting at the bar
having a beer watching a game. You are too within
FCC restrictions, Right, we can't curse things like that. Uh,
but but this is what happens, right, A lot of
these guys are hiding something, and I don't even think
they believe a lot of what they're saying. And then

(48:24):
they're like, oh, there's no way somebody else could believe
what they're saying. Now, now I've been pretty consistent. For
fifteen years as a public figure, I've had the same
kind of beliefs. This guy is just a fraud. He's
a fraud, And I just want to be clear, Mike,
Mike Florio can run Pro football Talk however he sees
fit to make it successful. He has no uh burden

(48:49):
to hire someone to please me or to please some
racial quota or whatever. My point is, just don't be
out here him other people and pretending like their racist
and big at it because they won't support kneeling during
the national anthem. Let's quit trashing NFL ownership because there's

(49:15):
only three black NFL head coaches because again, and maybe
they deserve some criticism for it, But if you're Mike
Florio who's owned a business for fifteen years and hasn't
been able to accidentally hire a black person, I just
don't think you're a credible critic of the NFL ownership

(49:37):
because they only have three black employee black head coaches
at the time. I just think the hypocrisy level is
just way too off the charts, and it just drives
me crazy. We need to be having a more responsible,
fair conversation about all these issues that I think will

(49:58):
lead us to a better place than to have someone
like Mike Royck Mike Florio using these issues to try
to make himself look good rather than try to improve
and make things better actually for disenfranchised people. And all
that's well said, it also factors in to me, at

(50:18):
just its most basic level of hypocrisy. Right, you want
to publicly say that you're doing one thing while privately
you're doing the opposite. And I think we were talking
in the first hour about the idea of Lebron James,
and to me, the purpose of media that covers sports,
or really media that covers anyone, should be to speak

(50:42):
truth to power, right, And by what I mean by
that is your job as a media member should not
be to be clubby with every single person that you covered.
Doesn't mean he can't be friends with people, you can't
get to know them, things like that. But in sports
there is a lot of protect it seems to me,
of incredibly powerful people. And I thought what you were

(51:03):
saying about Lebron is really well said. The guy's worth
a half billion dollars. You don't need to protect him
from anyone else, Right, we don't try. I don't think
there's very many people out there who are trying to
protect Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos or other people who
are worth Elon Musk for sure, right, guys who have
the resources to be able to hire and protect themselves

(51:26):
like crazy because they're hundreds of millionaires or their billionaires.
The average sports fan out there isn't going to have
access to Lebron to ask him to live the way
he speaks, and the average person in the media doesn't
have access. And so to me, this is just it
goes to the very essence. Believe whatever you want to believe,

(51:47):
but don't be a hypocrite. I tend to find myself
these days with Locke going after hypocrites more than I
do people who I disagree with. There's no question about it.
That again, particularly the dangerous kind of hypocrisy we're seeing
now in terms of when you start smearing people as racist,

(52:11):
that's like the ultimate level of character assassination. It's hard
to recover from that when you start uh portraying on
on Lebron stage, when you start portraying America as uh
as just unrepentantly racist and unfair, when particularly someone like

(52:37):
Lebron who has traveled the globe and should recognize like,
hey man, America is flawed, but it is light years
ahead of the rest of the globe when it comes
to racial relationships. And particularly if you just Lebron's number
one market outside the US is China. If you compare

(52:59):
America to China in terms of how black people are treated,
it's not even in the same ballpark. That does not
mean you can't criticize America and for some of its
misgivings and mistakes and flaws and the improvements that we
need to make, but damn it, be consistent. Don't sit

(53:20):
there and fall silent on China and Hong Kong and
the abuses that Again, if you just open your eyes
some of that when you're over in China collecting millions
of dollars for selling your shoes, just open your eyes
and see how the average black person who steps foot
in China is treated in China. Have some of that

(53:42):
when you come over here and start denigrating America and
talking about how bad things are over here. I just
need a little perspective and nuance from people that should
know better. The hypocrisy drives me crazy. That is not
a defensive America. Like everything we do here and have
done here is perfect, But let's just be fair and

(54:05):
let's be respectful of a country that has We have
a descendant of a slave who was the US President.
We have Lebron James, Michael Jordan's people at the top
of American culture. I take myself. I started out in

(54:27):
the ghetto and just and my father didn't graduate high school.
My mother was a factory worker straight out of high school.
And just where I was, I've been able to ascend
where my brother has been able to ascend. Other countries
just don't afford these kind of opportunities. We got some

(54:49):
things we need to improve, but let's not kid ourselves.
America is the greatest place on earth if you happen
to be black. I'm just sorry. I believe that. And
and if people want to be upset with me about it,
bring me the proof that I'm wrong, and I'll bow
to your proof. But no one brought me the proof yet.

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When we come back, I want to ask Jason Whitlock
about Ryan Clark. I also want to ask him he
was just preaching there. Only sixty three of Americans are
proud to be Americans. That is the lowest number that
has ever been recorded in a few research survey. When
we come back more with Jason Whitlock, this is outkicked

(55:34):
the coverage with Clay Travis. We are hanging out with
as I just said, Jason Whitlock, and you just were
preaching as we went to break about America being the
best place to live. Why do you think the numbers
reflect sixty It seems to me, I was talking about
this with my wife yesterday. It seems to me that

(55:54):
has never been more in vogue to rip America and
to not look at the larger world. My argument for
a long time has been the best thing that could
happen to America is everybody has to leave for a
year or two and go to a third world country
and work, almost like if everybody had to do the
Peace Corps, if you had to go to poor countries

(56:15):
in Asia, poor countries in Africa, you had to go
to poor countries in even eastern Europe, right anywhere where
the standard of living is nowhere near what it is
in the United States. And also where are basic freedoms
we take for granted don't exist. I think most people
would be blown away Middle East, Africa, Asia, wherever you

(56:36):
go around the world, even much of Latin America as well.
We have it so good. Most people don't realize how
good we have it because most people don't see very
far in terms of their their landscape. I think that
would be big to globalize our vision a little bit more.
Why do you think it's become so on in vogue
to rip America and criticize not saying it's perfect, but

(56:59):
we do get more right than probably any country in
the history of the world. I can't for some reason,
I can't remember the column that I wrote this week
and it corresponds to this, But I wrote this week
about the priorities of social media and particularly Twitter, and
what Twitter values and promotes. And Twitter has such incredible

(57:23):
influence over the American media. And so one of the
things I talked about is like Twitter, Uh promotes progressive
liberal ideology. Then it supports the LGBT community. Uh, then
it supports I think, celebrity worship. And I can't but
Twitter all. Yeah, Twitter is also very critical of American power.

(57:49):
It's and so and so when you take someone and
Twitter to me, and social media is very secular, and
so I just think all of those things and Twitter's
incredible influence over the American media has made the American
media hyper focused on pointing out America's flaws and that

(58:15):
over you know, social media came into power about ten
eleven years ago, twelve years ago. And the stronger it
gets and the more it's around, it's influence over the
American media is starting to influence American public perception. And
the media has convinced a good segment of the population

(58:37):
not to be proud of America. And and look, I'm
sure people are sitting some people are listening to this going,
oh my god, if you saw George Floyd, would you
be proud of America? And and and the thing I
keep talking about, we can't get bogged down in an
anecdote driven worldview. And anecdote is a singular event. It's

(58:59):
it's just a story. It's not research. It's not evident,
it's not data. It's not a nuance sophisticated perspective. It's
one event. And so if people were constantly showing you
the negative events that transpire in other countries, if you
had a Twitter following that just specializes or leans into

(59:24):
showing you everything negative that happens in America along racial line,
that's going to cloud your point of view and convince you, hey,
that these fifteen anecdotes that I've strung together over the
last seven eight years, or let's say it's thirty anecdotes
that I've strung together over the last that's proof that

(59:45):
America's evil in a terrible place. Listen, in other countries,
you can string together thirty, fifty, a hundred anecdotes that
will paint that country in a very negative light. You
can't rely on. Anecdotes are the best friends. And this

(01:00:05):
will be in my column on Monday in terms of
how anecdotes are the best friends of biggots. And that's
why I just can't believe that we as black people
are leaning into anecdotes. I mean, I'm fifty three. For
as long as I can remember, you know, part of
our mantra has been, don't blame me for that. That

(01:00:27):
wasn't me. That does the same thing about all of us. O. J.
Simpson doesn't tell you a story about all black men,
that's just an anecdote. That's that idiot. But somehow Derek
Chauvin says something about all of policing and all of
white men, that's a biggot point of view, Are we

(01:00:50):
really looking for justice? Are we really promoting promoting standards
that promote fairness? Or are we giving into the behaviors
of bigots? And I'm just I've lived long enough to
know what powers the mindset of a bigot anecdote and

(01:01:11):
just pointing to one or two or three things and
saying this says something about all these people. Why are
we doing that to other people? That this is so
far from Dr King's message, And it's so dangerous and
so unhealthy for our country. But as black people, I
think it's dangerous and unhealthy for us, but it and

(01:01:32):
just as dangerous for the entire country. And I think
you're seeing it reflected in this polling where thirty seven
percent of people seem to be dissatisfied with America or
aren't proud of America. That's crazy. We're talking to Jason
Whitlock at Whitlock. Jason encouraged you to go read all
of these columns. You've got eight up now, including one

(01:01:53):
that is up this morning right now. Go check it
out at our kick dot com. One of the columns
you wrote was about Ryan clark Son, who I believe
plays football for Arizona State and somebody uttered, according to him,
a racial slur at him at the water Burger and
it turned into a lead story. So far as I

(01:02:15):
understand it on ESPN, let me let me convey that again,
because I think it was a little bit of of
maybe a confusing. Ryan Clark has a son who plays
football at Arizona State. Ryan Clark's Jordan Clark. All right,
so you tell the story then, because you wrote about it.
I didn't even see this. I I read it in
your column and I was like, this was a lead

(01:02:36):
story on ESPN. Was it was somebody uttering a racial
slur at this? Uh? This this football player at the
water Burger? So what actually happened? What does the fact
that this is a lead story on ESPN to you
represent Jordan Clark, Ryan's son. I think as a sophomore
football player at Arizona State, he and two teammates walked

(01:03:00):
to a fast food restaurant. They didn't have a car,
they weren't in a car, and when they got to
the fast food placed, the inside was closed. The only
way to get food was through the drive through, and so,
according to Jordan Clark's story, they asked a white woman
in the drive through is she would place their order

(01:03:21):
and they would give her the money for the order.
She declined. They said they got the next person behind
her to place the order form and gave him the money.
They said they went and stood against the wall and
waited for their food, or waited for the guy to
place the order. And they said, as this customer exited

(01:03:43):
the drive through, she complained to the manager at water
Burger that she was harassed by those guys and that
the manager gave her her food for free. And as
she drove off, she said thanks for the free food
inward and drove off. And they said they when they

(01:04:07):
went to complain to the manager about this in the
drive through, he didn't do anything about it and said
it wasn't his responsibility or something, and so he blamed
the white woman, and then he blamed the manager at
water Burger for his experience. And somehow on the television

(01:04:31):
show Get Up, Ryan Clark is retelling the story. The
stories reposted on ESPN dot com. Ryan Clark breaks down
crying telling the story about what his son experienced, and
then Matt Berry and I mean no disrespect to Matt Berry.
I don't mean any disrespect to Ryan Clark, but Matt

(01:04:53):
Burry then on television offers an apology for the entire
state of Arizona because of what Jordan Clark experienced. And
I just my column just says, hey, hey, we gotta
quit treating racism like it's bigfoot, and anytime there's an

(01:05:14):
exciting at a sighting, it's major news, and we we
got to stop the presses. Someone was called the N word,
and I say that not to justify the white woman
using the N word. I say it to say people
in the world are biggot it crew disrespectful. Uh, they

(01:05:37):
just do and say stupid things. Hurt feelings is not
a major news story. Hurt feelings over someone calling you
a name is not a major news story. I think
it's inappropriate for Ryan Clark to be on TV crying
about it. I really do. And I don't mean that
in a disrespectful way to Ryan Clark, but he's got

(01:05:57):
to raise his son to be tougher than that one.
Some random person with no power over Jordan Clark calling
him a name. That shouldn't be a big deal. Really,
I'm just sorry. It's what the woman did allegedly says
far more about her and nothing about Jordan Clark or

(01:06:20):
as two teammates. It makes her look like a buffoon
in clown and that's how Jordan Clark should view it,
that that woman just made a fool out of herself
and a clown, and she's had no impact on my happiness,
my success in life, anything. Her words are nothing to me.
She's just some buffoon who in frustration showed her stupidity

(01:06:45):
and ignorance. It's just not stopped the press's news. Now,
if that were his coach that called him that and
and then denied him a starting job or punished him
or did something someone that had impact in his life
or control over his life, I get it. That's interesting.
That's a story a random person at a drive through.

(01:07:09):
I'm just sorry that's not worthy of conversation in national media.
And again, what I find absurd about is it's like
there will be some real things happened to young black
men in the Arizona Phoenix area where Arizona State is.
Probably this week, some young black man will get murdered.

(01:07:30):
We'll spend less time talking about that than some woman
who we don't know going through a fast food drive
through who called Ryan Clark's son a name. That's ridiculous.
Are something's out of balance here? Our news judgment is
just totally shot and gone, and we're treating random acts

(01:07:53):
of hurt feelings like national news. It's a joke. More
with Jason wet Lock. Next, this is Outkicked the coverage
with Clay Travis. Jason Wentlock hanging out with us on Monday.
You don't yet and we had Father's Day on Sunday.

(01:08:15):
You don't yet have any kids, at least not any
that you know of that I'm aware of. Um. And
uh So we were just talking about the Ryan Clark
and Jordan Clark, the situation that got a lot of
attention in Arizona, and you were talking about the aspect
of it from being a story. Let's pretend you are
a dad and your son comes to you, he's a

(01:08:36):
twenty year old college kid telling you that story. How
would you respond to him? Uh, I'd be like, what's
the post? And also, what do you think what do
you think your dad would have said? Like? Because I
do think there's a lot of people out there that
will say, Okay, um, you know what in an ideal world,

(01:08:58):
because everybody one of the great things about being a
dad is you get to see the world again through
your son's eyes. Right. And So I've got a twelve
and nine and a five year old, and I'm constantly
thinking what lessons am I imparting to my kids every
day with the way that I carry myself, but also
with the way that I talked to them about things

(01:09:19):
that they bring to me. So I'm just kind of
fascinated from a you know, you're not a dad, but
you had a dad. I'm curious what your dad would
have said to you in that situation. And if you
had the opportunity to have a conversation with your son
who had an unfortunate experience like that, how do you
address it? What's the best way to handle a situation
like that. I'm gonna keep it real. My dad would

(01:09:39):
have been like, f that B word, and uh, you know, uh,
and she has no value in your life? And uh,
you know, is your homework done, what's going on in school?
Your grade is gonna be good, You in shape, you
working out, you you're gonna get that starting job. He

(01:10:00):
had just kept it moving like that. It just you
gotta understand, my father built a life that was totally
around black people. He built a brand new home in
the hood to be close to his business because he
liked being around black people. He liked working with black people.

(01:10:21):
That's why he left Chrysler Motors and started his own business.
His boss questioned him about reading the autobiography Malcolm X,
and He's like, nobody's gonna question me about what I read.
So I'm gonna start my own business and be my
own boss. And so my dad just was one of
those people like, if someone doesn't see the value in you,
leave them alone and go deal with people who do

(01:10:43):
see your value and do respect your value. Keep it moving,
giving energy to those people and worrying about it and
telling stories about it and you know, writing post about it.
Put it. It's a waste of your time. Uh. It
has no influence over whether you're going to be successful

(01:11:04):
or happy in this life if you don't allow it.
She doesn't control your emotions. You control your emotions, You
control your happy if you control your success in this life.
Keep it moving. One of the reasons we get along
well is because I think you tend to look for
logic over emotion by and large, not to say that

(01:11:25):
you can't be emotional or or that I can't be emotional,
but I tend to respond to things by looking. People
who listen to this show will know that I look
for the data. I look for the facts. To start
off our three here in a minute, I'm going to
take you through the facts on the coronavirus as it
pertains to the world of sports coming out of the weekend. Right. Um,
that's not to say that I don't value emotion. It

(01:11:46):
certainly is an important part of life. But would you
agree with me that we have leaned way too far
into the emotional side of response as a country, as
opposed to looking at the logical side of things. I
don't value I don't value emotions at all, and it's
a problem for me. It makes it It makes me

(01:12:09):
hard to relate to in a lot of ways. I
just emotions are just a waste of energy and time.
I get it. I think it's to be shared with
loved ones. I think it's to be emotions to be
shared with your wife, your kids, your mom, your aunts
and uncles. Uh. But beyond that, in in terms of

(01:12:30):
in the business world or when you're out operating in life,
I just think you're better off leaving your emotions in
your glove compartment, locking it up when you get out
of that car, and dealing with it, you know, with yourself, family, friends,
your therapists. I just think there's you know, I wanted

(01:12:53):
to say something very real that will be hard to
fully explain in this short radio interview. We may have
to circle back to it next time. But as black men,
we have a conversation. I have a group of black
friends I talked with and one of the conversations we
have is about, hey, man, uh is our culture is

(01:13:13):
our energy becoming too feminine? Is all? Is? A matriarchal
driven culture hasn't gotten too emotional. And that's what I
see a lot of guys that didn't have fathers around
who seemed to be driven by their emotions. And you know,

(01:13:36):
Ryan Clark is obviously very involved with his son. Ryan
Clark seemed to have a great relationship with his dad.
But the overall culture in America, take race out of it,
seems to be leaning into emotions and getting in touch
with your feminine side. And and there's this whole Any

(01:13:59):
guy that's not willing to really show his emotions is
a bad person that the whole country's pushing us that way.
And I think for black men in particular, because so
many of us grow up without a father. It's really
pushing us that that, you know, our moms are pushing

(01:14:19):
you know, giving to your emotions and don't be afraid
to show your emotions. And I say, emotions are to
be shared with people you love and trust. People that
you don't love and trust, don't show them your emotions.
They will use them against you and they won't handle

(01:14:41):
them properly. So I think that's the message we need
to be sending out to all boys, men, women, daughters, sons.
Your emotions are to be shared with people you love
and trust. Everybody else put a line in between them
and your emotions. It's it's really an interesting thought because

(01:15:06):
so much of social media is rooted in emotion, right.
It's it's it's you see something and you respond emotionally.
I don't mean you specifically, I don't mean anybody else.
Like that's the design of social media. Whatever oftentimes makes
people respond emotionally gets the most play. And I think
politics has certainly leaned into it. Donald Trump is an

(01:15:28):
emotional president, right. He gets on Twitter and he emotes
all day long, like what he's feeling, and and people
who like him respond to it, and people who don't
like him don't respond to it. But it's like we
instead of a war of logic, very often now in politics,
we've got a war of emotions. Who's the saddest, who's
the biggest victim, who is hurting the most? And you

(01:15:51):
really basically can break down the presidential election as which
is coming up in as a battle of emotions and
the two old men. Right, it's not like it's too young,
you know, millennials, but it's I think it's because Twitter
is driving much of the conversation and Twitter is an
emotional medium. You want to come back for a few
minutes in uh in the next hour here, I got

(01:16:14):
you all right. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports
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I'm going to dive into the coronavirus here in a minute,
because I think there's a lot of good positivity. But
first negativity that came last night in the world of

(01:16:36):
sports and allegation that someone hung a noose in Bubba
Wallace's garage at Talladega. There was a rainout in Talladega,
and it's gonna be much discussed surrounding the race and
certainly NASCAR because Bubba Wallace was involved in the flashpoint
of the Confederate flag being banned in NASCAR. We've got

(01:16:59):
Jason whitt Lock on the program and I'm going to
discuss that with him in detail. So we will get
to that, we will discuss it, and we will have
a contemplation on that story as it is developing. But first,
the biggest story I would say that has been afflicting
the world of sports in general has been the coronavirus.
Whether it's the NBA, Major League Baseball, college football, the NFL,

(01:17:23):
there are a ton of different angles to hit coming
out of the weekend, and I want to dive into
that before we talk with Whitlock as our first guest
coming up shortly, so let's talk coronavirus in the meantime.
I know there's a lot of nattering, nave obs of
negativity as they were once characterized in the nineteen seventies
out there in the media who want to scare you

(01:17:44):
to death every single day, and I know it infiltrates
in many ways into the world of sports where over
the weekend you saw a lot of people spreading what
I call fear porn. It is Oh my god, l
s U. Look at what happened. Look at how many
players got tested positive. Look at Clemson, look at the

(01:18:04):
look at the teams down in Major League Baseball. Oh,
the NBA is scared now about the idea of being
in the state of Florida. All of these stories just
constantly hitting you and assaulting you can at times be overwhelming.
And what I have been trying to do, and by
the way, you guys are responding insanely positively to it

(01:18:26):
is share actual facts with you and let you use
them in an intelligent way. And so as we walk
through here, I tweeted this out on Sunday night. I
tweeted on Sunday, just two hundred and ninety seven people
in the entire country died of the coronavirus. That's the

(01:18:50):
lowest number of deaths nationwide since March. So that's almost
right after when Rudy Gobert walked off the basketball court
in the NBA shut down and the n C Double
A tournament shut down, in the and and and and
the NHL and every sport basically shut down. From a
team sport perspective, we're almost back to their now. If

(01:19:13):
you look at the chart of deaths, we are way
down on the back end of that chart again. Just
two hundred and ninety seven deaths today, the lowest number
of deaths since March. We had a peak number of
deaths that were set in late April in this country.

(01:19:36):
Since that time, deaths from the coronavirus in this country
are now down since that peak was set in late April. Okay,
those are facts which should be the number one story
in all of America. It should be the number one
story for everybody out there who's worried about sports coming back.

(01:20:00):
It should be the number one story about the NFL
and college football and the NBA and Major League Baseball
in the NHL and everything else out there. It should
be a huge story that just two d and ninety
seven people died nationwide today. That's the lowest number of
deaths since March. And also the fact that deaths are

(01:20:24):
now down n since the peak was set in late April. Yet,
I want you to keep track of this. You are
hearing me talk about it on Monday morning to start
your day. I want you to keep track of this.
How many other people in media will share those facts
with you as opposed to the number of people out

(01:20:47):
there who will share how many people from Clemson have
tested positive or how many people from l s U
have tested positive or any of those stories. And again,
I want to dive into those numbers as well, because
I think it's important that context be put into perspective
on the coronavirus here. And I still see so many

(01:21:07):
people in media choosing to embrace fear over embracing facts.
All right, here are some facts for you for college kids.
Just focusing on college kids right now. College kids are
more likely to die of the flu or pneumonia than
they are to die of the coronavirus. It's gonna stun

(01:21:29):
a lot of you out there. If you are under
twenty four years old in this country, you are more
likely to die from the flu or pneumonia than you
are from the coronavirus. It's some big, massive stat as
it pertains to the return of college athletics. Again, we

(01:21:50):
don't ever shut anything down for the flu or pneumonia.
If you are under twenty four years old, you are
more likely to die from the flu or pneumonia than
you are from the coronavirus. Most college kids who are
playing football or basketball or any other sport are more
likely to die driving to campus then they are from

(01:22:14):
the coronavirus on campus. I talked to a lot of
people this weekend. I said, what's the story behind this
Clemson and l s U uptick in the overall number
of infections. And what I heard was, it's college kids
being college kids. They got back on campus. There are
girls they know that live in these college towns, and

(01:22:37):
they went out to the bars, and they went to
the parties, and they were wherever the girls were. It's
a story as old as time. If you went to college, heck,
if you went to high school, heck, if you are
a heterosexual man who is listening to me right now,
you probably remember being eighteen and nineteen and twenty years old,

(01:23:00):
and what did you spend the vast majority of your
free time doing? Chasing girls? And that's particularly the case
if you have been off campus four months and you
haven't been around any girls at all, and suddenly you're
back on a college campus. Mom and dad, you're not
in their house. You don't have to play by their rules.

(01:23:21):
You've got your own apartment, you got your own dorm room,
and you are going to go out and have a
good time. That's where these infections are coming from. They're asymptomatic.
A lot of times people want to talk about what's
going on in Florida. The governor of Florida came out
and he said, the average age of people now that

(01:23:42):
are testing positive is super young. They have gone from
the average age being sixty five to the average age
being thirty seven. Florida is gonna get a lot of
attention because it's where the NBA is planning to be.
It's because it's are the MLS is planning to be.

(01:24:02):
And Ronda Santis, who came on this program recently, the
governor of Florida, he tweeted out some data points here
that I think are pretty interesting. He said, this week
Florida has seen a large number of new cases from
those eighteen to thirty five. Here's the average age of
people testing positive for the coronavirus in all these different

(01:24:25):
places in Florida. Broward County thirty two, Duval you, Jacksonville
people twenty nine years old, Hillsboro, which I believe is
Tampa thirty years old. Orange County, which is where Orlando is,
twenty nine year olds, Panellis County twenty nine year olds,

(01:24:46):
Seminole County twenty seven year olds. All right, these are
super young people. That's the median age of new cases
UH for June nineteen in the Florida counties that Rhonda
Santis shared with us. Okay, why is that? It's because

(01:25:06):
young people are going out and living UH, And they've
been cooped up, and they want to go to bars,
and they want to go to restaurants, and they want
to chase after other young people. Right, stats here for
you about Florida. There are now twice as many of
beds available right now in Florida then before this pandemic began.

(01:25:29):
There are way fewer COVID nineteen patients. And I see
you and on ventilators in Florida right now then in April.
And this is important. Every time somebody goes to the
hospital now in Florida, they test you to see whether
or not you have the coronavirus, which is another reason.

(01:25:50):
As you have started back up elective surgeries, the overall
numbers have surged again. This is actual data from the
state of Florida. That they put out yesterday. Okay, so
now anybody can be tested at any age and regardless
of their symptoms. And I told you guys this last week,

(01:26:12):
I went and got tested because I was like, man,
I want to know what it's like to get tested
for the coronavirus. And so I did it. Here in Nashville,
they have drive up coronavirus testing. I went in the car,
pulled right up, got the swab in the nose. That
felt super weird, because I was like, you know what,
I want to know what this experience is like, because

(01:26:34):
I think a lot of athletes and coaches are gonna
be going through it on a regular basis, and I
feel like I should be talking about it from a
position of having experienced it. I didn't want to do
it earlier because I didn't want to take away any
of the medical resources from people who needed it. But
in lots of states, I can't speak specifically to your state,

(01:26:54):
but certainly in the state of Florida, where I've spent
a lot of time and where by the way, I'm
gonna be next week for July fourth week, and in
the state of Tennessee, where I live, you can just
go right up. You don't have to have any symptoms
at all, you can get tested. It took me fifteen minutes,
pulled right up, didn't even have to get out of
the car. The efficiency and uh and smoothness of that
test blew my mind. Now I did it. Also, I

(01:27:18):
didn't want to say this beforehandause I don't want to
put them you know, you know sometimes uh, you don't
necessarily want to talk about your family. I know that's
ironic coming for me. But my wife and one of
my sons got tested in the car too, and they
call you. And they called my wife and my son
on Friday, they said, you're perfectly fine, don't have the

(01:27:38):
coronavirus at all. They haven't called me yet, but they
just called the phone number and tell you the results.
So I'll let you guys know when I get officially
my results. But there were three of us in the car,
my wife and one of my sons. We were like,
let's go try it out. Let's see what it's like
to be tested. And two of them have already gotten
their results back. They were negative. My results haven't come

(01:27:59):
back at all yet. I obviously feel great. I don't
feel like I have any issues at all. But that's
what's happening now with a lot of these young people.
They're asymptomatic and they're getting tested to go back to work,
or they find out that one of their friends got
it and so they decided to go in and get
tested and they find out that they've got it as well.
So why does that matter. Well, you're hearing a lot

(01:28:20):
about the total number of cases. What you're not hearing
a lot about is how many of these cases are
actually severe. And what typically has happened is half of
the people that have died of the coronavirus have been
in nursing homes. Well, only point six percent of the
American population is in nursing homes. So if we can

(01:28:41):
keep this thing out of nursing homes, then the chances
of death occurring for young and healthy people is downright menuscule.
As I just said, flu in pneumonia is more likely
to kill you, and we never shut down any sports
for fluent pneumonia. And we're talking about super health healthy people, right.

(01:29:02):
Athletes are young and the healthiest people on the entire planet.
It's not to say that one or two of them
could not have serious issues, But what you're not hearing
about the l s U and the Clemson situation is,
you're not hearing anybody talk about those players having to
be hospitalized. And honestly, this is where we talked about

(01:29:23):
some of this on the show. This is where I
kind of wonder if there's a diabolical coach out there
who's like man, I would rather my entire team get
exposed to the coronavirus now in the preseason so that
we'll never have a guy missed the game for the
coronavirus once the actual season starts. And arguably these guys
testing positive asymptomatic before training camp even starts is good regardless,

(01:29:49):
because it starts to give hert immunity to the locker room.
Because you want to be able, the more people who
have been exposed to it, the less rapidly it spread
through the locker room because a lot of guys have
had it already. Now. To be fair, immediately, anytime you
share data like this, people say what about older coaches

(01:30:10):
or what about older people who might be on campus.
This is where you have to be smart. This is
why I think the data matters. You have to give
the real data to people out there and you have
to say, hey, based on your age and based on
your health conditions, would it be smarter for you not
to coach this year? Would it be smarter for you

(01:30:31):
not to be a professor this year on campus? Would
it be smarter for you to do this remotely? Would
it be smarter for you to continue to quarantine yourself
by and large and keep yourself from interacting with younger people.
If you are a younger person and you are listening
to me right now, and you say, Clay, I have
been cooped up for so many months. I just want

(01:30:52):
to get out and have a life, I understand that.
What I would encourage you to do is, if that
is your choice, stay away from your grandparents, Stay away
from your older aunt or uncle, Stay away from your
mom and dad if they are older, talk to him
on the phone. Social distance from older people. In the

(01:31:13):
event that you are asymptomatic, don't know you're sick, and
then you don't want to take it and give it
to somebody else. So if you are of the opinion,
you know what, Clay, and I know some of you
who are listening to me feel like this. You're like,
I'm ready to go back to campus. Man Clay. I'm
twenty years old. I am over this coronavirus thing. I

(01:31:34):
want to be back out hanging out with my friends.
I've been sitting in my house with my parents forever.
You don't know how tough it is. I feel like
I'm totally socially isolated. I've got a girl I've been
talking to. She wants to meet up. I think we
can hook up. That's what's going on. That's why young
people are off the charts testing positive right now now.

(01:31:58):
If you believe in heart immunity, as I do, that's
not all a bad thing, because what it means is
we don't We can't stop a virus from spreading right.
If you remember when they told us to go into
our houses back in March, it wasn't with the idea
that we were gonna be there forever. It was with
the idea that we were going to flatten the curve.

(01:32:20):
What we have, we haven't seen any hospital in America
overloaded and having to turn patients away. Hasn't happened most
of america hospitals. We actually nearly bankrupted them because we
stopped elective surgery and there weren't enough patients to keep
doctors and nurses employed. But that's a whole another story.

(01:32:42):
But flattening the curve worked, so you can't stop the
virus from spreading forever. Arguably, what we would like to
do is have the virus spread among young, healthy people
who are not gonna need to be hospitalized until we
can start to get some sort of hurt immute city
out there. But again, what I would say is, I

(01:33:03):
would implore you if you are young and you spent
this weekend out chasing girls, or you spent this weekend
out chasing boys, or whatever you did to spend your weekend,
if you were out in bars, if you were out
in restaurants, if you were at house parties, if you
were in a big group of people, stay away from
your grandparents. You may feel perfect and take the virus

(01:33:25):
to them, but overall, the media should not be trying
to terrify all of you to death. And the NBA
and the MLS and Major League Baseball in the NHL,
and college football in the NFL, they need to look
at the data and recognize that by and large their
athletes are under greater danger from the flu and pneumonia

(01:33:49):
every single year, and we don't shut down anything, And
so overall, I'm very frustrated at the inability to share
basic facts and let you guys make smart decisions about
your lives. And so this is this is disappointing, uh
to me when I see this data and I see

(01:34:11):
it not being shared in an intelligent fashion. Again, I
would just ask you this as we roll through the
program here, how many people in media are going to
tell you that our national death rate on Monday morning
as you start off your day is down from the coronavirus,
or that we had just two hundred and ninety seven

(01:34:33):
deaths from the coronavirus nationwide today. So he'll say, we'll
put the two seven in perspective, Clay, Okay, every single
day in America, on average, seventy people die of a
variety of different causes. So right now in America on Sunday,
it stinks. I wish nobody died. I know a lot

(01:34:54):
of people constantly have had issues with people with a
variety of their family being ill all throughout this year.
But seventy two hundred people on average died of something
other than the coronavirus on Sunday. Putting that into percentage
of terms, nine percent of all deaths in America on Sunday.

(01:35:17):
Based on these numbers, were from something other than the coronavirus.
You would think coronavirus deaths being down by n since
April would be a huge story. You would think that
it would be everywhere the number one story in America. Instead,
this morning, I bet from just about every media source,

(01:35:40):
the number one story is gonna be talking about Florida.
It's gonna be talking about Arizona, it's gonna be talking
about Texas. That's where the story is gonna be. And
I'm not saying that I that I'm that this is
totally a non story. Certainly, I wish there were no
coronavirus deaths or cases out there at all. But what
we you're seeing is opening back up states, letting people

(01:36:03):
go back to work. It's impossible to stop the virus.
It's going to continue to spread. What we need to
do is make sure that it doesn't spread among the
population that's the most vulnerable. So I wouldn't be nervous
if I'm in charge of the NBA. I wouldn't be
nervous if I'm in charge of the MLS or Major
League Baseball, or college football or the NFL because the

(01:36:27):
data doesn't reflect that. I should be nervous. But I
would be nervous if I looked at the way the
media is covering this by and large and the degree
of fear porn that they are trying to embrace. So
when we come back, Jason Whitlock will join us, we'll
talk about the latest on Bubba Wallace and the first

(01:36:49):
week of what being a partner with me at out
Kick was like. This is Outkicked, the coverage with Clay Travis,
what like are you I don't know if you pay
as much attention to it as I do. I think
the answer is no. I don't think very many people
in sports media are paying as much attention to it.
But on Monday, I just laid out the data. We

(01:37:11):
are now nine percent of the deaths that were occurring
at the end of April are gone. Right. We are
down to two hundred and ninety seven deaths from the
coronavirus nationwide on Sunday, which is the lowest number we
have had since all the way back I think it
was March. Um, I don't have the data sitting in

(01:37:34):
front of me like I just did a second ago,
and yet you have everybody in the NBA, Major League Baseball, NFL,
college football, how do you think you would be dealing
with the coronavirus if you had been a college kid?
And I just talked about the fact that I talked
to people at l s U and Clemson who said, hey,
the guys came back without the coronavirus. But then there

(01:37:56):
are a lot of girls on campus and they want
to go out to the ball ours or restaurants, or
go out to the club or wherever they're gonna go.
Like a lot of eighteen, nineteen twenty and twenty one
year old guys are gonna do and chase girls, and
a bunch of them are getting asymptomatic coronavirus cases. So
pretend I'm gonna ask you if you were a coach,
and also to go back in time and pretend that

(01:38:18):
you are a college football player. You've been cooped up
in your apartment back in Indianapolis four months and you
suddenly get to go to ball State and they're girls
everywhere all around. Again, what would your mindset be, Go
get drunk at the chub and see if I can
get lucky? Right, That's whatever, That's what, and that's what's happening, right,

(01:38:43):
And so the guys are not getting it from working
out with their teammates or from getting back in shape.
They are, you know, they're working out, however many hours
they are a day. But then they're college age guys
and there are parties that are going on. There are
bars that are open, and so they're going out at
Clemson or l s U or anything else. So when
I hear that, I'm like, yeah, you know, if I

(01:39:04):
were eighteen or nineteen and I've been cooped at home
in my parents house and I hadn't been able to
go out, and suddenly I got to go back to
college in Washington, d C. And there are girls everywhere,
and it's summer and they're not wearing very much clothes
and their bars open, I'm gonna be out, like I'm sorry.
I would look at the data realize that I'm not
gonna die of the coronavirus, and I want to have

(01:39:25):
some fun. And I think that's what's going on. But
it's obviously getting a lot of media attention these positive
tests and also theoretically potentially a danger for the NFL.
I think you can dial this back a little bit,
although they'll have their own issues, but those are pro athletes.
They understand maybe a little bit more. But for college
age kids, this is tough to keep from happening, right,

(01:39:45):
I think it's very tough. And listen the other thing
about college as kids, this is not just the party. Again.
It's been a long time since I was young, but
I remember it well, and you just feel bulletproof. So
many things that you did and things that literally I
I have a reoccurring nightmare about the most irresponsible thing

(01:40:06):
I ever did in my life. It was when I
was in college. I got liquored up with my friends
and we drove to another party. And I say we
because I was behind the wheel, but it took a
group effort for me to drive. And I literally have
nightmares about, oh my, it's the dumbest thing. I could
have killed myself, teammates, friends, some innocent bystand or whatever.

(01:40:30):
Changed my whole life, ruined other people's lives. But that's
how bulletproof you felt as a young person. You did
really foolish things. And so I think it's gonna be
very hard to get young people to quarantine themselves or
feel like they're in some sort of jeopardy because of corona.
Part two of that, though, is I'm not sure. I

(01:40:53):
haven't made up my mind. I'm not as I don't
spend as much time looking at this as you do.
But I just think that perhaps we have exaggerated the
threat of corona, and that perhaps I don't want to
compare it to a common cold, but I do think

(01:41:13):
that someone getting corona, particularly a young person, isn't what
we're making it out to be. It's not they're not
avoiding death by contracting corona or that. What I just said,
data wise, if you are under twenty four years old,
and I said that said to open up the hour,

(01:41:34):
and I also tweeted this out on Saturday night, you
are more likely to die of pneumonia or the flu.
If you are under twenty four, then you are the coronavirus.
The immune system is strong, and so I think a
lot of the guys see this stuff. So step beyond
what you might have done or what I might have
done in college. Now, let's pretend that you are a

(01:41:57):
college coach. How do you handle this from a college
coach perspective so that your guys take it serious enough
that you are able to actually have a season Because
that's what they're risking right now. Right in theory, if
enough of these guys get sick, people are gonna panic,
and a lot of people are gonna say, oh, we
just gotta shut down the whole thing. Now. I hope

(01:42:18):
that that's not what ends up happening. But this media,
this panic, this fear porn that is shared out there,
especially with social media. We were just talking about how
emotional it can be. What would you tell your guys
if you were a coach you sent them down answer.
I'm gonna answer different because I can't answer the question
of what I would tell my guys. I know what

(01:42:38):
I would do if I were a college coach. And
I say this in all seriousness, and and this is
not the answer you're looking for, but if I were
a college coach, I would not want to coach the season.
I would want the season to be canceled because I
think so many coaches are going to lose their jobs
over how they handle Corona. Any kid that gets Corona,

(01:43:03):
and if God forbid again, because the way Corona deaths
are counted, if you have Corona and then die in
a car accident, they're gonna blame it on Corona. Well,
he would have never lost control of the car if
he didn't have Corona, and so Corona killed him. And
then somewhat some coaches going to get blamed for the
kid having Corona, or a kid said he was a

(01:43:23):
little sick, the coach still wanted him to practice. Lord,
oh my god, he had Corona and therefore a lawsuit
or I just think it's so dangerous and what just happened,
or what's happening to Chip Kelly with his team is
going to happen across the board. I've heard from college
coaches that are trying to figure out what the hell

(01:43:46):
do we do? Things are changing, So there's fear of corona,
and there's fear of being smeared along racial lines. And
I think coaches are scared to death right now, you
can't this whole thing has changed in the balance of
power has changed in such a dramatic fashion that coaches

(01:44:08):
are scared. And if I were a coach me individually,
I haven't told to coach this. I haven't a coach
hasn't told me this. But if I were a coach,
I'd want to restart things in after some of this
craziness has passed. It is interesting. Uh So from the
perspective of the power dynamic. If you're Mike Gundhi and

(01:44:31):
you wear an ol A In shirt, right, or if
your Chip Kelly, and the media is so quick because
somebody hops on Twitter one of your players says something
and then it's not a surprise, Right, you were on
a football team. But you also if you were in
a fraternity or whatever else, you tend to have your
guys back, right, Like, even if you don't agree with him,
once he goes public, you're like I always say, like
when you play pick up basketball, there's always a guy

(01:44:53):
you play pickup basketball with that would start a fight
and you'd be like, I, yeah, you're there, You're in
the wrong here. But if you're on the team, you
have to step up and defend your teammate, right. I
feel like you see a lot of that on social media,
and it does create immediate stories which aren't necessarily rooted
always in the truth. But if you're a coach, it's

(01:45:14):
like you just want to create You don't want to
create any disturbance anyway, but the last thing you want
to do is find a reason why you are the
target now, right, And it definitely has changed the power
dynamic and put a lot of people on wobbly ground.
Look at I was talking to a coach this weekend
about what happened at the University of Iowa. I don't
know all the details on the strength coach Kirk Ferren's

(01:45:36):
had for twenty Somebody ears it just got fired because
his player said he was mean to him. And and
I'm just like, the media is never gonna tell this
story properly because what just happened to that strength coach
of the EU sphere Iowa can happen on every college
campus in America because the head coach and the strength

(01:45:59):
coach are tied at the hip. The strength coach is
really the number one assistant for a head coach. He's
the bad guy. The head coach is the good guy.
The strength coach is the guy that's the bully that
says all the things the head coach would love to say.
And then the head coach gets to be the good
guy and the friend of the players. That's the job,

(01:46:21):
and that guy in Iowa just got fired for doing
his job to be the bad guy, to be the jerk.
Every football team has a strength coach whose job is
to be the jerk say inappropriate things, push the kids
past the limits that they think they can go to
be the jerk for the head coach. I'm telling you
what just happened to that Iowa guy has shaken college

(01:46:44):
coaches to their core. They know it can happen to them.
Finish it up with Jason Whitlock here. What should people
look forward to from you this week? At out Kick?
We already said you gotta call him up for Monday,
that people should go check out You wrote seven straight days,
making eight straight days. What do you hope to be
able to get into in a big way this week? Well,

(01:47:07):
I think obviously as more information comes out, Clay, I'm
gonna get into the Bubba Wallace situation and the news
incident at Talladega, But you know, at some point I
want to transition into just getting back to taller. Hey,
Dak Prescott is gonna sign sign his franchise tender, and

(01:47:29):
you know, I just want to write about just straight
sports stuff. But right now, while this racial stuff is
royally in our country and dividing our country, I want
to be a voice of reason out there. I want
to be some water in the desert for people that
want to hear more honest conversation and more fair conversation
about these issues. So I plan on getting into that

(01:47:50):
and a lot more this week on out Kicked. Always
good go read him, follow him on Twitter at wetlock Jason.
I'm excited to have him as a partner at out
kick and we're gonna have a lot of good stuff
for you this week. I'll talk to you later, man.
This is Outkicked the coverage with Clates Traffics. If you're

(01:48:17):
just getting in your car, you just heard the tale
end of Jason Whitlock. There. We've had what I think
is a really interesting conversation about a ton of different
topics uh during the course of the program, So i'd
encourage you to go download the podcast and make sure
you don't miss anything from our discussion at all. And
obviously we started off the discussion with Jason Whitlock back

(01:48:40):
in the first hour of the program talking about this
Bubba Wallace story, which is a which is one that
there's still a ton of details to be unraveled. But
if you're just starting off your morning, it's gonna be
a big topic all day, UH, will be what exactly
happened with Bubba Wallace and UH and a led news
that was discovered in his garage. And you would think

(01:49:05):
that this would be a situation where NASCAR would be
able to almost certainly figure out who is responsible for
this and be able to track them down. And frankly,
I don't think this is a very difficult situation to
figure out what to do. I think you suspend this
person for life if they are found to have been

(01:49:28):
responsible for what has been alleged so far. And I
would also think, and again I don't know much about
what the scenarios are on uh the infield or in
the garage area where you put cars, but I would
think this is one of the situation where there have
to be a ton of cameras. I would think certainly
in a coronavirus era, the era that we're in right now,

(01:49:52):
there would be very very few people who have access
to that garage overall, and so whoever is responsible there,
I think that there is a really easy situation to
go try and figure out who is responsible and catch
them and punish them. And honestly, I think you can

(01:50:15):
make an argument that if someone did this, it is
in some way I would think a crime under Alabama
law I don't know exactly. I'm not pretending to be
an expert on the criminal statute in Alabama, but I
would think you would have trespassing. I would think you
would have a a threat being made in some way

(01:50:37):
that would be potentially a crime. I think you could
look at whatever the legislation is from a hate crime perspective.
Again not claiming, not putting my lawyer hat on here
and telling you, hey, I've done Alabama criminal law for
my entire life. Certainly I haven't. I'm not licensed to
practice law in the state of Alabama. But I would

(01:50:57):
think this would be something where you could look at
all the different evidence at play and if there is
a culprit that you can identify that there would not
only be a band for life from all NASCAR related events,
but that there would potentially be some criminal charges that
could be pursued as well. And uh, and we'll have

(01:51:18):
to wait and see. And we talked some about this
with Jason Wentlock and all of these stories. I always
like to and now this is me putting my lawyer
head on. I always like to take you know, don't
immediately rush pell Mell into assuming that you know everything.
Wait for all the facts to be determined, figure out everything,

(01:51:39):
and then analyze the situation. This is what's gotta be
careful of when you're a lawyer, is that you don't
go ahead and figure everything out before all the facts
are in. So who's responsible, how did it get there,
who was the person? All of these things need to
be answered. But assuming that they can do that, and
I would think that they would be able to do

(01:52:00):
at given all of the different restrictions that should be
in place to be able to have access to this
this area, I wouldn't think there's a lot of people there.
I wouldn't think there's a lot of people to investigate.
I would think that this would be relatively easy to
uncover exactly what happened. So we'll continue to cover this
for sure. I'd encourage you to go download the podcast.

(01:52:20):
I'm sure we'll be talking about this tomorrow. We'll be
talking about it as the evidence continues to unspool. Go
read Jason Whitlock's column today and all the columns that
he has written already. We try to have honest conversations
with you guys. I hope you enjoyed it, and I
hope that you guys will be tuning in tomorrow and
also tuning in on the podcast as we try to

(01:52:41):
have the most honest conversations imaginable. Again, the positive story here,
the coronavirus numbers hit the lowest level since March. We
talked about that a lot as well. A good sign
for sports being able to return. Whether it's the NBA,
whether it's Major League Baseball, whether it's college at ball,
the NFL, NHL, whatever sport you love, things are at

(01:53:04):
least moving in the right direction. There. We'll see what
happens with the Bubba Wallace controversy. Thank you guys for listening.
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(01:53:50):
during the course of the program, So i'd encourage you
to go download the podcast and make sure you don't
miss anything from our discussion at all. And obviously we
started off the discussion with Jason Whitlock back in the
first hour of the program talking about this Bubba Wallace story,
which is a which is one that there's still a
ton of details to be unraveled. But if you're just

(01:54:12):
starting off your morning, it's gonna be a big topic
all day, UH will be what exactly happened with Bubba
Wallace and UH an alleged news that was discovered in
his garage. And you would think that this would be
a situation where NASCAR would be able to almost certainly

(01:54:34):
figure out who is responsible for this and be able
to track them down. And frankly, I don't think this
is a very difficult situation to figure out what to do.
I think you suspend this person for life if they
are found to have been responsible for what has been
alleged so far. And I would also think, and again

(01:54:56):
I don't know much about what the scenarios are on
UH the infield or in the garage area where you
put cars. But I would think this is one of
the situation where there have to be a ton of cameras.
I would think certainly in a coronavirus era, the era
that we're in right now, there would be very very
few people who have access to that garage overall, and

(01:55:20):
so whoever is responsible there, I think that there is
a really easy situation to go try and figure out
who is responsible and catch them and punish them. And honestly,
I think you can make an argument that if someone
did this, it is in some way I would think

(01:55:43):
a crime under Alabama law. I don't know exactly. I'm
not pretending to be an expert on the criminal statute
in Alabama, but I would think you would have trespassing.
I would think you would have a threat being made
in some way that would be potentially a crime. I
think you could look at whatever the legislation is from

(01:56:05):
a hate crime perspective. Again, not claiming, not putting my
lawyer hat on here and telling you, hey, I've done
Alabama criminal law for my entire life. Certainly I haven't.
I'm not licensed to practice law in the state of Alabama.
But I would think this would be something where you
could look at all the different evidence at play and

(01:56:25):
if there is a culprit that you can identify, that
there would not only be a ban for life from
all NASCAR related events, but that there would potentially be
some criminal charges that could be pursued as well. And uh,
and we'll have to wait and see. And we talked
some about this with Jason Wentlock and all of these stories.

(01:56:45):
I always like to and now this is me putting
my lawyer had on. I always like to take you know,
don't immediately rush pell mell into assuming that you know everything,
Wait for all the facts to be determined, figure out everything,
and then analyze the situation. This is what's gotta be
careful of when you're a lawyer, is that you don't

(01:57:06):
go ahead and figure everything out before all the facts
are in. So who's responsible, how did it get there,
who was the person? All of these things need to
be answered. But assuming that they can do that, and
I would think that they would be able to do
that given all of the different restrictions that should be
in place to be able to have access to this

(01:57:27):
this area, I wouldn't think there's a lot of people there.
I wouldn't think there's a lot of people to investigate.
I would think that this would be relatively easy to
uncover exactly what happened. So we'll continue to cover this
for sure. I'd encourage you to go download the podcast.
I'm sure we'll be talking about this tomorrow. We'll be
talking about it as the evidence continues to unspool. Go

(01:57:48):
read Jason Whitlock's column today and all the columns that
he has written already. We try to have honest conversations
with you guys. I hope you enjoyed it, and I
hope that you guys will be tuning in tomorrow and
also tuning in on the podcast as we try to
have the most honest conversations imaginable. Again, the positive story here,
the coronavirus numbers hit the lowest level since March. We

(01:58:13):
talked about that a lot as well. A good sign
for sports being able to return, whether it's the NBA,
whether it's Major League Baseball, whether it's college football, the NFL, NHL,
whatever sport you love, things are at least moving in
the right direction there. We'll see what happens with the
Bubba Wallace controversy. Thank you, guys, for listening. This has
been out kick on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to

(01:58:36):
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