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lines and such? Joined in studio pros who know full house,
Brad Powers and Steve Feazick. Sports bettors listen for the money.
Sports fans listen to no more than their bodies. And
let me tell you, man, there's been some dumb takes
out there today on radio, almost enough to make your
head hurt. But this isn't the case at all with
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this fellow. You can't have pros without Joe's Joan is
not always good to be here are j and Yes
on a day in which we've got not one, not two,
but four NFL playoff games to recap? What is the
Vegas lead on Monday. I gotta tell you something, this
rarely happens. Jonas is I was gonna lead with one
of the games, and then I got a memo I
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don't want to say from who. They said, if you
want to stay in the sports talk club, and remember
that's the club at the Super Bowl, you get to
eat shrimp, get to talk politics with Clay Travis, that
kind of stuff. Who who wouldn't want to be there?
So I've got to start with the Cowboys higher. Yeah,
that's right, And Mike McCarthy was named the brand new
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head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, as reported by Jay
Glazer of Fox Sports earlier today. Yes, and that was
a nice get for j and I probably have a
different opinion than most on this, and it really is
premised upon what do we know? Meaning we hear a
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lot of guys on talk radio talk a lot about football,
and I always asked myself the non players, you know,
former players, the non coaches, former coaches, let's put that
universe together, which is almost everyone. Right, There's a few
former players now, but on the opinion shows not as much.
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Right there used to be. You always needed a guy
in the boot, you know, John Madden and Summer. All right,
so you've got in that case, you've got you know,
you've got two people that knew their stuff. But these
days it seems like that there's been so many kind
of meat head type former players let's be candid in
media at different times that we've kind of rebelled against it,
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and now it's a lot of people like a Nick right,
and I consider Nick to be extremely bright. He's a
bright fellow. And I thought about three of his takes today.
We're about as dumb as I've ever heard. And not
because I know I'm right, because I know what I
don't know. So to some degree, I don't really know
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what McCarthy's gonna do with this team. I just know
that here's a guy that's one a good bit in
the NFL. So the idea that that's somehow bad because
he's a retread, you know, you hear retread. Well, Belichick
was a retread right off of a horrible, you know,
relative performance with the Browns, So you know, five years
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he didn't. It wasn't like you got fired in a year.
It was five years with the Browns, one playoff appearance
for Belichick. So to me, I'm gonna stick to what
I feel that I'd be willing to bet. And you know,
we can talk about you know some or specifically the
one Nick right. Hey, guys, so disagreed with but with McCarthy.
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And let me ask you, Jonas, if you look at
the Packers offense this year, it's not any better than
last year. No, it's not. People are being intoxicated by
the record and they're not actually paying attention what they're watching.
And if you're watching this Packer team, I actually think
the passing offense has regressed. The running offense is better,
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no doubt, but passing wise, I think they've completely regressed.
And I think it's dangerous for even what I just
said to say, Well, doesn't the head coach supposed to
affect the defense? Yes? And how much of it is
what la Fleur did with them, and how much of
it was they hit on, you know, physics, famous Smith brothers,
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and I don't know. And you know what else? I
know that Buffalo maybe could have made the Super Bowl
if they had won against Houston. It wasn't all that
different than when Philadelphia three years ago on their Super
Bowl run. We're in Uh, the opponent, Atlanta was inside
the ten yard line last than two minutes left and
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were over sixt chance Atlanta was to win that game.
How different would we be thinking about the Eagles if
they had lost in the first round three years ago
or in the division round, but they had to buy
and then what happened the next to let's say just
happened exactly the same man we'd be talking about, you know, borderline.
Should he maybe be replaced? Right? Yeah? But instead they
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they Julio Jones doesn't make the catch, they go on
and win the Super Bowl. Nick Foles gets a big contract.
Here we are. The NFL is not like sports like
the NBA, where there's no one game that's gonna decide
and no one half of football is going to decide it.
And it's in the NBA, the better team wins a
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seven game series a vast majority of the time. In
the NFL, the better team wins more than half the time.
I don't even think it moves the sixty. So there's
a lot of luck when you have to win three
or four games. And that's why what you see Belichick
has done and the Patriots is the is the perfect
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example of that. The idea that they could have won
almost every Super Bowl they lost. In fact, everyone they
lost they could have easily won, and they at a
loss almost everyone that they won the you know there
maybe you can pick some exceptions out to Carolina went mate,
but man, there was I mean, you tell me what
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named the Super Bowl that that the Pats were in
that you couldn't envision that game going the other way?
There was none, So imagine if they were nine and
oh or imagine if they were oh and nine. I mean,
so it's not like the Bills when they went oh
and four and they got you know, obviously the Giants
game couldn't win either way in that run of four.
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But those Cowboy games didn't couldn't have, right, They were domination.
You don't see any team, any team ever dominant. And
maybe the last one was the Bears in five. But
I'll have to think about it. That one every game
in the playoffs convincingly. Can you think of one? Uh yeah,
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I think that's the only one that I got, And
there might be one other one in there, because I
don't remember every Cowboys of those you know, dominating teams.
But let's just say this century and the more recent memory,
I can't think of one fest. Can you think of
one in which, uh since two thousand on that the
team won three or potentially four playoff games handily where
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it's like you can't see how they could have lost
that game. The only thing that comes to mind is
the second Denver Bronco team I think was fairly easily coasted.
And the other one is the Ravens from two thousand.
Their closest game was the a f C title game
when they beat the Raiders by okay, and remember that
did the century start in two thousand or two thousand one?
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We want to bring that debate back up, Jon, but
I guess the game would have been in two thousand
one either way. So to me, the fact that we're
saying there might be two or three in the last
twenty years, I think really speaks to that there's a
lot of luck in this. And I think some teams,
you know, and I think Colin Cowher does an interesting
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thing when he says, all right, here's my eight teams
or whatever the number is that I think could in it.
And to me, of the teams that could win it,
I think the Saints certainly would be on my list
right now. Somehow there was a redraw and the Saints
getting got back into it like a rebuy in a
poker tournament. H be a hundred million or something. But
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to get back in fact, would you take, oh, no way,
the Saints could, no way could they win the Super Bowl? Oh?
I still have the Saints of my number one team
in the NFC. Of course they could win the Super Bowl.
So this is this is I think we're burying the
lead here. So you're saying that after reevaluating for what
happened yesterday, which you know, you you regrade or do
an adjustment to your power ratings in the NFC right
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now the list is, yeah, the Saints number one, just
ahead of the forty niners of Vikings number three. Okay,
that's interesting. So if there's any statement Jonas that speaks
to the idea that we simply don't we we react
to results, and that is such the thing to do generally,
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because if all you react to is what's in your head,
it's a constant debate. And that's something I think that
happened with Andrew Luck. I can't believe that more people
defend that Andrew Luck wasn't a disappointment. It was like
if the day of the draft. If Andrew Luck right
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when he was picked number one, if you had sat
down with a buddy Jonas and said, you know something,
I am a pessimist on Andrew Luck. I am selling
I just don't think he's gonna be this good. What
would have been the framework of like if you would
have made a bet, if you would have said he's
never gonna make a Super Bowl never and his amount
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of and he's going to retire at a time when
it was his discretion to retire out of the league
at under ten years. Yeah, here we go out of
the league by his own choice. He gives up. I know.
Oh my god, he said he gave up. No, he did.
What else could you say? He quit playing by choice?
And I'm not saying it was a wrong choice. Who
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am I to say? Right, It's like some people they
they hit the lottery and they decided to work hard,
or some people decided they want to retire. That's all
everyone's choice. But as a football player, if you choose
not to play, it's hard to say you're a heck
of a football player, and especially if you haven't delivered
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on your promise yet. And I'm not saying Andrew Luck
wasn't a top five or seven quarterback, But the idea
that he didn't underperform is absurd. But if you asked
calling Cowherd and I do every chance I get when
we do our different things, is I'll say Andrew, you know,
was a bust borderline. It's like, oh no, no, he
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didn't have the right offensive line. Oh he didn't have
the right gm uh. And it's like over a decade, Well,
I mean, look at it this way, go to another
number one pick. Who's closer to a Hall of Famer
or who's who's head closer to a Hall of Fame career?
Cam Newton or Andrew Luck? The answers Cam Newton. It's
an interesting point actually, which kind of makes me shutter
a little bit, right because I'm not a huge fan
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of either went to a Super Bowl one an m
v P. I mean, if you were doing it on
the back of a baseball car or a football card,
no doubt that's a great, great concept. So why am
I stressing this are jo straight out of Vegas? It's
because if we don't trust the results in the short term,
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which I don't, meaning within range, I think teams are
usually gonna like the Bengals were not a good team
this year, right, what's the plus or minus? I think
once a team makes a Super Bowl, it's almost every
one of them could win three games in a row.
All right, once they make the playoffs, they could win
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three games in a row. So to me, maybe if
a team is playing the first weekend and they're on
the road, and they're like a nine and seven, you
could say that team, you know, unlikely, very unlikely. But
I even think back to the Ravens when they won
it recently, the most recent time they entered the playoffs
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to one, right, and remember that Denver game with the
Flacco long you know there almost a helm we got
behind him. I mean that was the same playoffs, right,
I mean, tell me when that ball was in the air.
How good were the Ravens. Yeah, they were a playoff team,
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but one play, one lucky play, and they win a
super Bowl. Well, if you were to take if you
were to rank the best team and the worst team
in this playoffs, would you go Baltimore one and say, like,
who would be the worst team of all the teams
are qualified for the player? You know, that's a fascinating question.
I think Baltimore one is unequivocal. I would say this,
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the distance from Baltimore to the number two team is
about as big as I've seen in a while. So
fas I know you don't have every single one of
your power ratings for the last ten years in front
of you, but just typically, well, right now, what's the
distance between Baltimore and the number two team? Well, it's
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only a point in a half r J. Because I've
got Kansas City power rated through the moon. But those
two teams have huge separation. Um, Baltimore is four and
a half points above New Orleans from a number three team.
All right, so this is fascinating. The number three team
isn't one of the final eight teams, right, New Orleans out,
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and you've got Kansas City close to Baltimore. I think
you might be a little high on him, though. Let's
get fast credit. He led the way in the national
media talking about Kansas City being as good, if not
better than they were when they were four now and
no one thought that his case was so logical it
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was unimpeachable. And everyone that heard it said, okay, and
here we are, we're seeing it, all right, So I
agree with you generally, who do you got number four?
And what's the distance between the Ravens and number four
San Francisco? Number four? Five points worth in Baltimore? All right,
So that's fascinating. So right now we're saying the likely
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super Bowl matchup has the FC favored by you know,
upwards of five points. By the way, just a quick thought,
we might want to make it better as we're speaking.
What's the a f C NFC generic super Bowl line?
Right now? It's still minus three r J. And we're
on the same page. I'm gonna bet that tonight. Tonight,
I think you're doing the same Brad Power's mistake. I
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don't know if you realize this fact. We're not just
talking amongst ourselves right here, right two hundred stations, a
couple of hundred thousand people listening. We might want to
do that during the commercial. What do you think, Jonas? Yeah,
I think so you got some some things you gotta
keep in the hold st you know, may I just
pulled up one fight and it's up to minus four.
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That happened that quick. I didn't check it this morning,
all right, So here's what we're gonna do when we
come back. I'm gonna finish up our take on McCarthy
and how I think our inability to really assess the
results in the short term applies to my I guess
critique of this higher for the Cowboys, and we're gonna
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get into Tom Brady and all the crazy takes about
the Patriots, and that's coming up next. He's r J Bell.
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the I Heart Radio app. As discussed earlier, Mike McCarthy
is the brand new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
Jay Glazer was the first to report for Fox Sports
that McCarthy was the higher there in Dallas. So they
go from Jason Garrett reportedly and according to uh Adam.
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According to Adam Schefter, Mike McCarthy had a sleepover at
Jerry Jones's place and then they decided that Mike McCarthy
was the guy after the sleepover. So there's a lot
that we can do with that story and that detail
to the story, But nonetheless, Mike McCarthy, the brand new
head coach in Dallas. So so you like the sleepover story.
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I just think it's you know, it's a it's a
nice sprinkle on top. You know. The funny thing is
that a friend of mine, actually a good friend of mine,
uh Don van Noda, who is a great writer for ESPN.
He's won three Pulitzer Prizes. So whenever we take a picture,
it's like three Pulitzer Prizes between us, you know, three
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zero And Fez was in the picture once and it
was two super contests, three Pulitzers and me. So yeah,
you know, you gotta hang around with people that are elite.
But Don wrote a famous article about Jerry Jones. I
think it's been three years now, and he spent weeks
and weeks with Jerry Jones and you know, just hanging
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out with him. And it's just funny. How how many
rooms do you think Jones house has? I'm envisioning it's
like you remember that movie The Toy with Richard Pryor. Okay,
I'm envisioning it's that and there's they're just it's this
giant mansion with rooms everywhere, security system, there's a wonder
wheel and an insane toy room. Uh I just like
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one of those big palaces. It seems like a Jerry
move exactly. So everyone's thinking like, uh, McCarthy's on the couch.
He's just you know, he's a little too big for
the couch. But okay, here Jerry brings out a blanket,
but he's got on like his soap pajamas, and it's like, hey,
if you do anything, you don't be afraid to wake
me up. And you know we don't have any bottled water,
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but uh, you know that taps. Okay, come on right.
But to me, it goes to show you with those
old school guys like Jerry Jones, Southern guys, there's there's
a personal element to this. And back to this reoccurring
theme of just the crazy mind numbingly dumb takes. I
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heard today this idea and again I really, I mean,
this is gonna sound like what Colin said. So I'll
just say, yeah, this is what Colin said, and I
disagree with them, this idea that we need something new
or clever. And then like one of the guys he
put up was Naggy, Like what certainty do we have
that Matt Naggy it's supposed to be is going to
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be an elite coach. He hasn't been an elite coach. Yeah,
now right, So where where is it? Like like it
feels like almost like we think every were in such
a critical mode in this country because by death ffinition,
what are you going to talk about in theory on
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talk radio if it's not being critical. That's one of
the things I love about Straight out of Vegas is one,
we only have an hour. That means we don't have
to have filler. And number two, we probably talk gambling
half if not more, of the time. That's we don't
have to then worry about filling up the other stuff
with let's do the fourth take on Matt Naggy this
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month or whatever. We don't do any of that and
and and to me, I'm proud of that because I
would have trouble doing that other kind of show. And
it doesn't mean that Colin is wrong. It means the
certainty in which people believe what they seem to believe
when they have no freaking idea about what's going on
behind the scenes. And anyone that's ever been behind the
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scenes of anything, we'll tell you whatever is reported on
it it's so far from the truth. It doesn't mean
there's no truth in it, but it's not the total truth.
And being a guy that's had you know, very pausitative
and at times negative articles written about me that were
oftentimes reported on for an extended period, the amount of
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truth in those articles is is laughably light. It's all
about who they talked to. It's all about when they
talked to him, and quite frankly, it's about the agenda
of those right in the article. What do they want
to write because you're gonna see that, You're gonna see
more of that. A racist sees bad things in minorities.
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That's just natural form. And someone who wants to write
a bad article article is gonna do it. Someone wants
to write a good one is gonna do it. Someone
that wants to think McCarthy's to old school is gonna
think he is. They're gonna ignore the Peter King stuff.
They're gonna ignore the fact that he won a Super Bowl.
They're gonna ignore the fact that the Packers are amongst
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the handful of teams and I mean a handful that's
been consistent over the last ten years. Now. You might
say that's Aaron Rodgers. Okay, well what about Tom Brady
and Belich? I don't know where the line is. What
I know is this belief that that Aaron Rodgers is
better this year just isn't true. And we're gonna talk
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at length about that tomorrow. We're gonna finish our research
and give you the exact numbers. I'm RJ bo straight
out of Vegas. Let me ask you this, Brad Powers
with us. You had a number about McCarthy's performance that
speaks volumes. Yeah, that McCarthy was a head coach the
Packers fifty against the spreads. Only guy better in that
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time period. Phill Belichick and I think about this, think
about this a second. The idea that during that period
of time, it's not one game, it's not one playoffs,
ten years, is gonna be hundred and sixty games or
more than a hundred sixty right, hundred sixty before the playoffs.
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There's Belichick and McCarthy. That's it. And we're gonna sit
here and say, oh, it's a tired higher. I don't
know it could be. But Jerry Jones got rich for
a reason, and he's not dumb. Does he know football
as well as a GM. No, that's probably one of
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his big mistakes. But why don't we agree if he
wanted to bully someone, wasn't he gonna maybe hire a
guy that didn't have a Super Bowl ring. I'm not
saying McCarthy is not a company guy. If anything, it
might be the perfect higher, a guy with gravitas. He's
got the bona fides. He walks in that locker room.
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No one's gonna say you don't know what you're talking about.
He knows football. He's not a kid. But he also
is the type to be a company man, meaning that
if Jerry wants this, he's gonna go along with it
the best he can, and he'll pound his fist when
he thinks it's really hurting him. Jerry needs that. Jerry
had two of the best coaches in the history of football,
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Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcels, and he ran both of
him off. He's not He's not getting anyone better than that.
There's no coach available today. Who's the second best coach?
Jonas Andy Reid? Uh, yeah, probably Andy Reid. Who's better
Jimmy Johnson or Andy Reid? Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels or
Andy Reid Bill Parcels all right, so he's not getting him.
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Belichick is not going to Dallas, all right unless he
gives him ownership of the team. So he couldn't get
a coach as good as he had, and he ran
those guys off because they didn't give him Jerry Jones
his space or his control. So what's the best you're
gonna do, Jason Garrett, that's only there because of the
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grace of Jerry Jones, which that hasn't worked, or an
elite or at least a four above average coach, a
pedigreed coach. And again he's the second best point spread
record during that year. Rah And but a guy that
knows who's the boss and it's not him, Heck, that's
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mighty rare and McCarthy might be the perfect fit for that.
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It was a stunner in Foxborough for some people. The
Tennessee Titans go into New England and beat the Patriots
in the wild card round of the playoffs on Saturday night.
The final no doubt line was in that four and
a half five range, so a lot of respect paid
to the Titans. They weren't expected to win the game.
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And Fez, you said it in a pre production meeting,
I think the dynasty is over. Well before the commercial,
I identified that there was a four period between O
eight and twelve January of each the Patriots won zero
playoff games. They've won zero playoff games now for twelve months,
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so it takes another three years before their matching. A
Street that was right in the middle of the dynasty
respond well. The difference is that Brady since simply cannot
carry this team anymore. Even when the Patriots are losing
those playoff games, Brady was a top five quarterback year
after year, and this year Brady right in the middle
for his year long stats are j In the last
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eight games, he was a well below average quarterback, turning
forty three next year. Okay, now I agree with you there,
meaning I think Brady's hit a wall. It's I mean,
it's not like he's bad. I mean, if you had
to say right now, one to thirty two Brady next year,
So let's assume he has his natural aging at as
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a guy who ages slowly, I think it's fair to say, Brady,
where would you put him? One to thirty two? All right?
I think that's a fair number. So being the twenties
best quarterback we're walking the earth is a hell of
an accomplishment. Being the twenties best quarterback while you're forty
three years old is unprecedented. But can the best quarterback Jonas?
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Can they lead a team to the super Bowl these days?
I don't think so, especially when a team has been
thinned out by having to pick in the twenties and
thirties for so long and quite frankly missing on some
draft choices where I think everyone's getting wrong or almost
everyone is. Oh, they're not giving Brady enough support. If
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you go back now a year and a half, two
years and look at where the resources have gone, Uh,
you know this a new trade. The draft choices of
Michelle all the way to the number one picked this
year that it was Antonio Brown. It was all about
getting Brady weapons. It's just no one's really hit the
home run. None of those players to be a true
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difference maker. So talk more Pats tomorrow. But I agree
with Fez Brady's probably number twenty next year. But I
think who's to say though the Stidum isn't really good,
no one how good was Jimmy G. Stidham has a
better pedigree or at least equal right to Jimmy G.
But coming in so Jimmy G was a long shot.
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But there's a reason Belichick pick stid Hum. I don't know,
but I think it's fair to say the dynasty is
over with Brady. I'm not sure the Pats dynasty is
over jonnas Uh. Yeah, and we will wait to see
what happens there now. R J. Do you remember back
in the day when Larry Bird participated in the three
point shootout in the NBA and when he made the
he shot the final three and then just put his
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finger up in the air and walked out. Just what
I liked about it was he his follow through was
was classic, and then he just kept his hand out
there and lifted the finger. Yeah. Because the reason I
bring that up is because on Friday you did the
same thing when you walked away from the basket after
announcing it was the Vikings plus the seven and a
half that was your best bet. And lo and behold.
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It took overtime, but Minnesota outright win at New Orleans.
There's nothing better in sports but batting. Nothing better in
sports batting than getting over seven points or six. I
guess in overtime you just sit back. You don't care
what happens. It's like you really think, what would it
be like to be so rich that nothing could hurt you.
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It's having more than six points on the dog in overtime.
It felt my not listen, I was hoping you wouldn't
bring this up. You didn't get the memo, but I
saw I'll have to address it. Um, I think I'm
the best I do, I think in the NFL right
now that I'm seeing it fast, I don't know. I
know you might want to buck me on this, but
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is anyone seeing it better. I'm not gonna buck you
because I bucked you a few times during more than
a few times, and it has left my wallet light.
As you keep winning that after against me. Wow, Listen,
that's a lot of luck because FeAs is sharp. But
what I'll say is this guy's sports betting keeps changing,
and I think a lot of the old school guys
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the duct table on the shoe guys, they're in trouble.
We've seen it. But some of these new guys, they
I don't think they're steeped in the past like they
need to be, and they're making the mistake of the
new guys. And to me being in my late forties
having done this all these years, and I don't listen.
We really don't brag. I mean, we'll have fun if
we do something great. But I think we're I think
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we're seeing the NFL. I'm seeing the NFL unlike anyone
out there right now. And we're gonna keep giving it
all to you here free. So starting tomorrow, we're gonna
be looking ahead at the Big Four for next weekend.