June 21, 2022 • 20 mins
Today on Straight Outta Vegas with RJ Bell, RJ and AJ Hoffman, the guys talk about which players on the PGA would move over to the LIV Series. Plus, the Vegas crew preview the 2022 NBA Draft!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, we've looked
at the live tour a lot last week and now
two more top twenty world rank golfers make the job
at a lot last week when I was sick? What
was it? Give me the gist of the conversation was
when Rice and left to the and Patrick read when
they left, we just go to the take. Did you
guys read from the newspaper and say today we talked
(00:23):
about fading the live golfers at the US. You were
here one day. Let's not all be I just I'm
just interested in the take because sometimes it's like reading
from the newspapers that I didn't know was there take?
Were you saying a facides USA? You know what Iron
Chic thinks that kind of stuff. I don't even look
at this as like there's people who are painting it
(00:45):
as a patriotic thing, like if you're if you're going
to live tours, somehow you're you're doing something wrong against America.
I just disagree with it. I think these guys are
doing what's best for them financially. Well, that doesn't that
that isn't mutually exclusive. They could be doing what's best
for them financially and what's not good for human rights generally.
And that's fair, Okay, So I mean I'm not sure.
(01:06):
I don't I think there's two sides of this conversation,
because on one hand, let's always let's go to the
most easy, the easiest extreme Hitler. Al Right, so Hitler.
Let's say at the end of w W two, they
just kind of go back to Germany and they can
fortify and they don't get overthrown. So Hitler's there and
he's going to start a golf tour. He's just gonna
(01:27):
call it the Hitler Golf Tour. Are you how much
does it cost to get you involved? A J. I
don't think there's a number that gets me involved. Okay,
so now we know it's really no number. I don't think. So.
Do you ever see the movie The Third Man. It's
a great movie and it has Orson Wells in it,
and he plays a guy who's selling bad penicillin to
(01:48):
like people in w W two and they're up on
this ferris wheel and he said, and all the people
look like little dots. He goes, how much would it
take for you to make that one dot disappear? He goes,
what about that dot and it kind it was a
powerful concept. It's like whenever you think of individuals, you know,
it's like, oh my gosh, just think Jim, you know,
had a kidney problem because that one food was wrong
(02:10):
and they didn't recall it. But then if it's like, well,
there's two thousand people in Arkansas, it's like, well, I
don't go to Arkansas, or even more in Argentina, right
or somewhere in Africa. There's an issue. We all just
shrug at that. So to me, I'm skeptical of the
ethical side of this stuff because I think most people
are hypocritical and it's easy to point and tell someone
(02:31):
else not to make money. But they gotta be a line, right,
There is a line, I said, I guess it starts
at Hitler. I don't know how far back it goes,
but yeah, there's a line. Stalin was worse than Hiler.
But we don't have to get into that. Let's just
say that that's the two most thing. I think. They
say Stalin killed like sixty million, you know, so you know,
when you kill sixty million verses whatever, the other number
(02:53):
is smaller than sixty you know, Well, it's all relative
Brooks kept going Abraham answer decided this is are my
line is, and they will join the live tour, starting
it next week's upcoming tournament in Portland. Okay, so my
last question on the ethics of this is it seems
like the thing that is the most egregious with the
(03:15):
Saudis is the journalist that by all by I think,
I guess you could say allegedly, but by all accounts
it seems to be pretty much proven that that the
Saudis had an assassination on a journalist. Um, I'm forgetting
his name or something. I can't remember his name right now,
(03:37):
but um, and I should so you pull out up McKesson. Um. Now,
so here's the question that seems like a pretty extreme line.
I mean, it feels like if if a country is
gonna be um blackballed, if it's gonna be out of
the National or the Global Club, it feels like just
(03:59):
assassinating journalists is probably gonna put you on that that
bad list as much as almost anything really almost people
like if you hurt your own people, we're all gonna
deal with a little bit more and say, oh, it's
internal issues. But you know, if you put a thousand
people in jail and murder some because their political dissidents.
We can seem like we can deal with that better
(04:20):
than you killed one journalist from the Washington Post. Now
that becomes another question, right, why why do we look
at it that way? But on the other hand, how
do you uh because Shogi alright, cause Shogi and he
was Washington Post, right, yes, Okay, So now the next
(04:41):
question becomes it's like, how do you influence in any
way countries that are acting in bad ways but aren't
all the way bad. Where China has done a lot
of things, you could say that is a main problems
or if you're let's say, it'd be reasonable to say
it's a problem. Well Lebron And then remember now it
(05:04):
was um the that made the comment that was kind
of supportive of I think Thailand. And then say it
again it was Hong Kong. It was okay, the Hong
Kong uh protests at the time. Okay, there you go
and thank you. And it was like he got in
a lot of heat. It costs the Rockets a ton
of money because the Rockets were I mean China, the
(05:27):
Rockets were China's team because of Yao Ming. Going back
to Yao Ming, and there was a lot of Chinese
money invested in the rockets that dried up as soon
as that happened. And Lebron was saying like like defending
China in a way, saying, well, Daryl more A, the
Harvard grad has to be a little more well read
on these matters. Lebron didn't trying to have his money
messed with. So so and what did the NBA do?
(05:51):
Play k right, play k so when there's billions involved,
the leagues will play kate against Now we could say, well,
how the saudis very is China, And I don't know
how to even do that debate right, And I'm not
sure it's I think it's a distinction without a difference, probably,
But now in America we say, hey, Saudi's I'm Joe
(06:11):
Bai and I don't like you. But now it's like
gases up to seven. But you know, I think I
should fly to Saudi Arabia and have dinner with it.
It's such an interesting conversation that I don't think there's
a right answer, because you could talk about all the
ways that our country deals with Saudi Arabia in terms
of trade and in the market and and whether it's
oil or other goods and things like that. And then
(06:35):
we're you're okay with people are okay with our country
dealing with I'm not aware of it, but like you're not.
But you're not okay with a couple of golfers going
over there and playing, not even going over there, just
being financially backed by backed by someone that's associated with
But they're they're calling this um not not money launch
something washing where the theory is they're spending this money
(06:58):
either gonna break even, but it's gonna it's gonna sanitize
in a way the Saudis as a brand. It's gonna
be oh yeah, that's the country behind the golf tour,
you know. And the theory is that's what like Russia
was doing with the RT. Right, So the RT was
or is a political, uh you know, state sponsored kind
(07:18):
of news station. But they did a lot of reporting
that a lot of people like Larry King had his
talk show after CNN on the Russia Today. And then
it's like, well, how much of that was the agenda?
And then it's like, okay, well, what kind of agenda
do we have with the CIA and other countries? It
becomes a fascinating and complex conversation. So let me ask
(07:38):
you a question. Yes, let's say, and I don't think
this is gonna happen, and it could anything could happen.
Let's say the Live Golf Tour and the people behind
it approached the p G A Tour. I was thinking
you were gonna approach me with my handicap. They approach
and I'm around, Maybe I'm being generous. So they approached
(08:00):
the PGA Tour and discuss a revenue share. And if
that happens, are people then up in arms about golfers
going to the live Tour? Well, I think, to talk
practically for a minute, the p g A has lost.
It feels like because when you got calling coming on
right here in FSR saying what what's the PGA done
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for these golfers, It's a very valid conversation. Last year
they started the Player Impact Program, which was to kind
of reward the guys who brought the most positive attetion
to this time. It's like the s A wanting to
do nice things. There was a forty million dollar pool.
Tiger got eight million of it playing one one tournament
whatever it was, and then four of the other nine
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guys that made that top ten list that got some
of that forty million dollars have since left to the
Live Tour. So if the PGA said so, that was
like them knowing who the problems were they were trying
to buy him off. It sounds like to me like
ahead of time. I think it was them knowing that
this Live Tour was coming. They wanted to They wanted
to keep these guys. But then when it's you know,
Pam Brooks kept a three point five million one one
(09:04):
time when he could make that for finishing second in
a tournament this weekend, it's like it doesn't cut it
for And I also think the following is if you
can come up with forty million on a whim like that,
then where's that money? Generally? How is it if you
have that kind of slush fund just wait, hey, let's
get break off forty piece and let's give it away.
It's like, well, how much you got back in that?
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And it's a nonprofit and what do you have? You
have a lot of people that are living a lifestyle
like a billionaire because they're they're uh, you know what
we talked about in the n c a A is
all the chicken dinners and all the shrimp and it's
like these people are all hanger on who are like
living like kings because they're associated with a golf tour.
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But what are they doing to help the golfers? I
don't know, because you can make the case the NBA
deserves their money because the NBA is built a league
for nothing, but the PJA really hasn't built very much because,
as we're saying, the stuff that they control, we don't
care about those uh tournaments between the between the major
tournaments is basically what they run, and no one really
(10:07):
cares about those. So this would be my last comment
on it. And we don't have the answer right. But
if you're just defaulting and saying Saudi's bad, golfers greedy,
it feels too narrow to me. It feels like that
when you have the n b A and pretty much
the government itself the United States compromising when the money's right,
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when it comes to civil rights or even human rights
like life and death things, then how do we expect
a golfer to have a higher standard than the very country.
The country does what it's best for the country, shouldn't
the golfer do what's best for the golfer. I see
both sides of it, but I think that if the
PGA was really a rock solid organization, it'd be a
(10:54):
lot easier to say stick with them. It feels like
they're faults. Kind of has opened the door for think
about it, because it was the Shark was the guy
that's kind of been the mastermind behind this, is my understanding,
and he's been mad at the p GA for thirty years,
so he's just been waiting to take him down if
they would. And I'm not saying I know if Norman
has a good argument or not, but I kind of
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feel like he probably does because it seems like a
lot of people that really didn't do very much made
a lot of money and Norman and others didn't make
that money. And I think the number one sign that
they're not a well run organization is the way they're
responding to this ninety minute mandatory players meeting. PGA Tour
Commissioner Jay Monahan informed the roster that the tour will
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introduce a new EID event no cut, limited field schedule
for the top fifty players in the world rankings, and
they're going to operate events for players to try to
keep or earn their cards. They'll return to a calendar
based schedule, abandoning the wrap around format. So they're making
sweeping changes based on one live tournament that's happened so far,
which tells you they know the changes were necessary or
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would have benefited otherwise, or they're making change us to
their sport just being a reaction, or either way, it's
an indictment. If you knew it was better for the players,
you should have done it before. And if it's not
better for the players, then why are you doing it.
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gonna be a real sale. It says, you know, I
don't sell out cheap. Let's just say that. M M.
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(12:41):
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on that. So when we come back, we're gonna talk
about who is now the clear favorite to be the
number one pick. And also, I think this idea. I
think that's Gronkowski retirement actually says something pretty strong about
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and UH might as well benefit from that. A. J.
(14:08):
You know you're n B. A. We're gonna be talking
the draft coming up here, but let's talk just about
the Big three just give me, you know, twenty seconds
each on him. And what we've seen in the odds
recently about who's gonna go number one to Orlando. Yeah,
Jabari Smith is still the favorite, the forward from Auburn.
It's down to minus one fifty five for him to
(14:30):
be the first pick. He was it minus one nine
as of yesterday it was minus one all right, and
what about like a week ago, four thirty was the
high point. Okay, So what we're saying is is him
be He's still the favor, but he's trending down, yes, okay.
And Paolo ban Caro is the guy who's sort of
(14:51):
trending up off of this. The Duke forward. Uh, he
yesterday was seven to one to be the first pick.
Today plus one nine. Okay, Now that's a surge. Well,
this is what I got from the Draft Kings sports
book on Saturday. Bon Carroll twenty to one on Sunday,
Bon Carroll twelve to one on Monday, four to one
today plus two twenty. It's a regimented that's an incredible
(15:15):
jump from twenty to one on Saturday. This feels like
gets information driven. Now it's interesting because you're still then
you're still a plus money underdog. But man, this feo's
and remember we know who the number one picker picking
team is, it's Orlando. How much of this is something
coming out of Orlando? And how do we know for
sure if it's Orlando having a leak versus wanting to
(15:39):
get something out there because maybe they want someone to
trade up and you know, like all of Celtics and
Sixers did with Folks, right, is if if they want so.
The third big name it Chad Holmgren, the center from Gonzaga.
He's gone from plus one sixty yesterday to plus two thirty.
And I think a lot of that is on reports
coming out of Orlando that Chad Holmegren fused to give
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his medicals to the Magic. So basically it's his way
of saying, I don't want to play for Orlando because
it's unlikely they're going to take a guy who didn't
who didn't do their medicals, uh, with the first pick.
So he reports are he wants to go to Oklahoma City,
who has the second pick. So it may be his
way of saying, don't draft me, now, explain something to me.
Oklahoma City is like the most non urban you know,
(16:24):
Middle America NBA franchise. So you, I mean, your mind
just goes, okay, what the first white player that's been
at the top of the draft were what over what
forty years or at least white American player, So I
think that it's it was like seventies seven or seventy
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eight was the last time there was an American born
white player that went number one. So it does seem
like he wants to go to Oklahoma City, which is
in what a ten year rebuild, And I know there's
a lot of faith with all their draft choice is
it's just like that seems like a weird play. Orlando
is a real up and coming team and and and
(17:05):
there's like no to Orlando and Disneyland, but yes to
Oklahoma City. I'd make the argument we talked about the
Warriors being like having a winning culture. I think Orlando
is the opposite of that. We've seen a lot of
Orlando's top draft picks get better once they leave Orlando,
and Orlando's had several top ten picks and finals fifteen
years ago, twelve years ago, and then they were in
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the finals right with Shock and Penny. Sure, that's a
that's a lifetime ago. Well, no, no, no, no, twin
to be in the finals twice in twenty five years
is statistically more than you should be. Right if you
think about it, is in twenty five years, fifty teams
are going to make the finals. Well, if you're one
of thirty teams and you make it twice, you've exceeded expectations, right.
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I don't know that's interesting any any final thoughts on it, Scott.
I think she Holgren is. I get it. He's gonna
go to the NBA and he's gonna build up his body. Um,
but he's going to be in for a route awakening
with some of these NBA big men because you think
he's physically not ready. He's not ready right now? What
do you think on that age? I think that's literally
the only knock on him. And he is skinny. He's
(18:12):
not ready, that he's skinny, that he's he's like it's
hard to imagine him bodying up Joel Embiid, but literally
everything else about his game is there. He's got an
NBA game, he just doesn't have an NBA body. All right.
So I'm gonna talk Gronk for a minute or two,
but we will keep you updated each day with the
NBA odds, and you'll know come Thursday who likely is
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gonna go number one. I believe that Gronk saying no
at this point. And I know there's a conversation like,
well he could still play. People are so sick of
people retiring and then not retired. I don't think Gronk
does that. Maybe it's a power play for the contract.
I don't know, but man, oh man, it feels like
if I had a bet right now, will Gronk play
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this year? I would strongly bett now. Right though there
is a chance you give me tend to one, I'll
say yes. But for the most part, I think we're
moving towards he doesn't play. Is that how I agree?
And the and the Bucks took two tight ends in
the draft, I think, and they kind of knew that
this may be coming. I don't know about that. They
didn't even know. I mean when the draft was happening.
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Was Brady Brady wasn't even back at that point, right
or was he? I think he was already back because
it was the free agency. Okay, So I guess my
point would be this, this feels like it's a last
go around when everyone's kind of got their bags packed
even when before the season starts. And I'm not saying
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they're not gonna try to win. I'm not saying Tampa
doesn't have a real chance. But right now Tampa is
the second favorite in the NFL, behind only the Bills.
The Chiefs tend to one, though Tampa is at seven
and a half to one or so Rams tend to one,
Packers tend to one. I don't think the Bucks are
in the position that people think they are. I'm looking
to fade him in the right spot because i think
(20:00):
not playing tells you something. Agree if you missed any
of
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, we've looked
at the live tour a lot last week and now
two more top twenty world rank golfers make the job
at a lot last week when I was sick? What
was it? Give me the gist of the conversation was
when Rice and left to the and Patrick read when
they left, we just go to the take. Did you
guys read from the newspaper and say today we talked
(00:23):
about fading the live golfers at the US. You were
here one day. Let's not all be I just I'm
just interested in the take because sometimes it's like reading
from the newspapers that I didn't know was there take?
Were you saying a facides USA? You know what Iron
Chic thinks that kind of stuff. I don't even look
at this as like there's people who are painting it
(00:45):
as a patriotic thing, like if you're if you're going
to live tours, somehow you're you're doing something wrong against America.
I just disagree with it. I think these guys are
doing what's best for them financially. Well, that doesn't that
that isn't mutually exclusive. They could be doing what's best
for them financially and what's not good for human rights generally.
And that's fair, Okay, So I mean I'm not sure.
(01:06):
I don't I think there's two sides of this conversation,
because on one hand, let's always let's go to the
most easy, the easiest extreme Hitler. Al Right, so Hitler.
Let's say at the end of w W two, they
just kind of go back to Germany and they can
fortify and they don't get overthrown. So Hitler's there and
he's going to start a golf tour. He's just gonna
(01:27):
call it the Hitler Golf Tour. Are you how much
does it cost to get you involved? A J. I
don't think there's a number that gets me involved. Okay,
so now we know it's really no number. I don't think. So.
Do you ever see the movie The Third Man. It's
a great movie and it has Orson Wells in it,
and he plays a guy who's selling bad penicillin to
(01:48):
like people in w W two and they're up on
this ferris wheel and he said, and all the people
look like little dots. He goes, how much would it
take for you to make that one dot disappear? He goes,
what about that dot and it kind it was a
powerful concept. It's like whenever you think of individuals, you know,
it's like, oh my gosh, just think Jim, you know,
had a kidney problem because that one food was wrong
(02:10):
and they didn't recall it. But then if it's like, well,
there's two thousand people in Arkansas, it's like, well, I
don't go to Arkansas, or even more in Argentina, right
or somewhere in Africa. There's an issue. We all just
shrug at that. So to me, I'm skeptical of the
ethical side of this stuff because I think most people
are hypocritical and it's easy to point and tell someone
(02:31):
else not to make money. But they gotta be a line, right,
There is a line, I said, I guess it starts
at Hitler. I don't know how far back it goes,
but yeah, there's a line. Stalin was worse than Hiler.
But we don't have to get into that. Let's just
say that that's the two most thing. I think. They
say Stalin killed like sixty million, you know, so you know,
when you kill sixty million verses whatever, the other number
(02:53):
is smaller than sixty you know, Well, it's all relative
Brooks kept going Abraham answer decided this is are my
line is, and they will join the live tour, starting
it next week's upcoming tournament in Portland. Okay, so my
last question on the ethics of this is it seems
like the thing that is the most egregious with the
(03:15):
Saudis is the journalist that by all by I think,
I guess you could say allegedly, but by all accounts
it seems to be pretty much proven that that the
Saudis had an assassination on a journalist. Um, I'm forgetting
his name or something. I can't remember his name right now,
(03:37):
but um, and I should so you pull out up McKesson. Um. Now,
so here's the question that seems like a pretty extreme line.
I mean, it feels like if if a country is
gonna be um blackballed, if it's gonna be out of
the National or the Global Club, it feels like just
(03:59):
assassinating journalists is probably gonna put you on that that
bad list as much as almost anything really almost people
like if you hurt your own people, we're all gonna
deal with a little bit more and say, oh, it's
internal issues. But you know, if you put a thousand
people in jail and murder some because their political dissidents.
We can seem like we can deal with that better
(04:20):
than you killed one journalist from the Washington Post. Now
that becomes another question, right, why why do we look
at it that way? But on the other hand, how
do you uh because Shogi alright, cause Shogi and he
was Washington Post, right, yes, Okay, So now the next
(04:41):
question becomes it's like, how do you influence in any
way countries that are acting in bad ways but aren't
all the way bad. Where China has done a lot
of things, you could say that is a main problems
or if you're let's say, it'd be reasonable to say
it's a problem. Well Lebron And then remember now it
(05:04):
was um the that made the comment that was kind
of supportive of I think Thailand. And then say it
again it was Hong Kong. It was okay, the Hong
Kong uh protests at the time. Okay, there you go
and thank you. And it was like he got in
a lot of heat. It costs the Rockets a ton
of money because the Rockets were I mean China, the
(05:27):
Rockets were China's team because of Yao Ming. Going back
to Yao Ming, and there was a lot of Chinese
money invested in the rockets that dried up as soon
as that happened. And Lebron was saying like like defending
China in a way, saying, well, Daryl more A, the
Harvard grad has to be a little more well read
on these matters. Lebron didn't trying to have his money
messed with. So so and what did the NBA do?
(05:51):
Play k right, play k so when there's billions involved,
the leagues will play kate against Now we could say, well,
how the saudis very is China, And I don't know
how to even do that debate right, And I'm not
sure it's I think it's a distinction without a difference, probably,
But now in America we say, hey, Saudi's I'm Joe
(06:11):
Bai and I don't like you. But now it's like
gases up to seven. But you know, I think I
should fly to Saudi Arabia and have dinner with it.
It's such an interesting conversation that I don't think there's
a right answer, because you could talk about all the
ways that our country deals with Saudi Arabia in terms
of trade and in the market and and whether it's
oil or other goods and things like that. And then
(06:35):
we're you're okay with people are okay with our country
dealing with I'm not aware of it, but like you're not.
But you're not okay with a couple of golfers going
over there and playing, not even going over there, just
being financially backed by backed by someone that's associated with
But they're they're calling this um not not money launch
something washing where the theory is they're spending this money
(06:58):
either gonna break even, but it's gonna it's gonna sanitize
in a way the Saudis as a brand. It's gonna
be oh yeah, that's the country behind the golf tour,
you know. And the theory is that's what like Russia
was doing with the RT. Right, So the RT was
or is a political, uh you know, state sponsored kind
(07:18):
of news station. But they did a lot of reporting
that a lot of people like Larry King had his
talk show after CNN on the Russia Today. And then
it's like, well, how much of that was the agenda?
And then it's like, okay, well, what kind of agenda
do we have with the CIA and other countries? It
becomes a fascinating and complex conversation. So let me ask
(07:38):
you a question. Yes, let's say, and I don't think
this is gonna happen, and it could anything could happen.
Let's say the Live Golf Tour and the people behind
it approached the p G A Tour. I was thinking
you were gonna approach me with my handicap. They approach
and I'm around, Maybe I'm being generous. So they approached
(08:00):
the PGA Tour and discuss a revenue share. And if
that happens, are people then up in arms about golfers
going to the live Tour? Well, I think, to talk
practically for a minute, the p g A has lost.
It feels like because when you got calling coming on
right here in FSR saying what what's the PGA done
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for these golfers, It's a very valid conversation. Last year
they started the Player Impact Program, which was to kind
of reward the guys who brought the most positive attetion
to this time. It's like the s A wanting to
do nice things. There was a forty million dollar pool.
Tiger got eight million of it playing one one tournament
whatever it was, and then four of the other nine
(08:44):
guys that made that top ten list that got some
of that forty million dollars have since left to the
Live Tour. So if the PGA said so, that was
like them knowing who the problems were they were trying
to buy him off. It sounds like to me like
ahead of time. I think it was them knowing that
this Live Tour was coming. They wanted to They wanted
to keep these guys. But then when it's you know,
Pam Brooks kept a three point five million one one
(09:04):
time when he could make that for finishing second in
a tournament this weekend, it's like it doesn't cut it
for And I also think the following is if you
can come up with forty million on a whim like that,
then where's that money? Generally? How is it if you
have that kind of slush fund just wait, hey, let's
get break off forty piece and let's give it away.
It's like, well, how much you got back in that?
(09:26):
And it's a nonprofit and what do you have? You
have a lot of people that are living a lifestyle
like a billionaire because they're they're uh, you know what
we talked about in the n c a A is
all the chicken dinners and all the shrimp and it's
like these people are all hanger on who are like
living like kings because they're associated with a golf tour.
(09:46):
But what are they doing to help the golfers? I
don't know, because you can make the case the NBA
deserves their money because the NBA is built a league
for nothing, but the PJA really hasn't built very much because,
as we're saying, the stuff that they control, we don't
care about those uh tournaments between the between the major
tournaments is basically what they run, and no one really
(10:07):
cares about those. So this would be my last comment
on it. And we don't have the answer right. But
if you're just defaulting and saying Saudi's bad, golfers greedy,
it feels too narrow to me. It feels like that
when you have the n b A and pretty much
the government itself the United States compromising when the money's right,
(10:32):
when it comes to civil rights or even human rights
like life and death things, then how do we expect
a golfer to have a higher standard than the very country.
The country does what it's best for the country, shouldn't
the golfer do what's best for the golfer. I see
both sides of it, but I think that if the
PGA was really a rock solid organization, it'd be a
(10:54):
lot easier to say stick with them. It feels like
they're faults. Kind of has opened the door for think
about it, because it was the Shark was the guy
that's kind of been the mastermind behind this, is my understanding,
and he's been mad at the p GA for thirty years,
so he's just been waiting to take him down if
they would. And I'm not saying I know if Norman
has a good argument or not, but I kind of
(11:15):
feel like he probably does because it seems like a
lot of people that really didn't do very much made
a lot of money and Norman and others didn't make
that money. And I think the number one sign that
they're not a well run organization is the way they're
responding to this ninety minute mandatory players meeting. PGA Tour
Commissioner Jay Monahan informed the roster that the tour will
(11:35):
introduce a new EID event no cut, limited field schedule
for the top fifty players in the world rankings, and
they're going to operate events for players to try to
keep or earn their cards. They'll return to a calendar
based schedule, abandoning the wrap around format. So they're making
sweeping changes based on one live tournament that's happened so far,
which tells you they know the changes were necessary or
(11:57):
would have benefited otherwise, or they're making change us to
their sport just being a reaction, or either way, it's
an indictment. If you knew it was better for the players,
you should have done it before. And if it's not
better for the players, then why are you doing it.
Be sure to catch live editions of Straight Out of
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I
have a price, AJ, but it's a high one, I
can tell you. I mean, I'll sell out, but it's
gonna be a real sale. It says, you know, I
don't sell out cheap. Let's just say that. M M.
All right. We are Straight out of Vegas. You know,
(12:41):
we got the draft coming up. We got some odds
on that. So when we come back, we're gonna talk
about who is now the clear favorite to be the
number one pick. And also, I think this idea. I
think that's Gronkowski retirement actually says something pretty strong about
(13:03):
Tampa Bay, and I'll give you my thoughts and maybe
even have the best bat associated with it. Stay tuned
be sure to catch live editions of Straight Out of
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get your podcast. Okay, in a few minutes, we're gonna
take forty seconds of my ninety seconds a year allotment
of hockey talk and get a take on the two
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and UH might as well benefit from that. A. J.
(14:08):
You know you're n B. A. We're gonna be talking
the draft coming up here, but let's talk just about
the Big three just give me, you know, twenty seconds
each on him. And what we've seen in the odds
recently about who's gonna go number one to Orlando. Yeah,
Jabari Smith is still the favorite, the forward from Auburn.
It's down to minus one fifty five for him to
(14:30):
be the first pick. He was it minus one nine
as of yesterday it was minus one all right, and
what about like a week ago, four thirty was the
high point. Okay, So what we're saying is is him
be He's still the favor, but he's trending down, yes, okay.
And Paolo ban Caro is the guy who's sort of
(14:51):
trending up off of this. The Duke forward. Uh, he
yesterday was seven to one to be the first pick.
Today plus one nine. Okay, Now that's a surge. Well,
this is what I got from the Draft Kings sports
book on Saturday. Bon Carroll twenty to one on Sunday,
Bon Carroll twelve to one on Monday, four to one
today plus two twenty. It's a regimented that's an incredible
(15:15):
jump from twenty to one on Saturday. This feels like
gets information driven. Now it's interesting because you're still then
you're still a plus money underdog. But man, this feo's
and remember we know who the number one picker picking
team is, it's Orlando. How much of this is something
coming out of Orlando? And how do we know for
sure if it's Orlando having a leak versus wanting to
(15:39):
get something out there because maybe they want someone to
trade up and you know, like all of Celtics and
Sixers did with Folks, right, is if if they want so.
The third big name it Chad Holmgren, the center from Gonzaga.
He's gone from plus one sixty yesterday to plus two thirty.
And I think a lot of that is on reports
coming out of Orlando that Chad Holmegren fused to give
(16:00):
his medicals to the Magic. So basically it's his way
of saying, I don't want to play for Orlando because
it's unlikely they're going to take a guy who didn't
who didn't do their medicals, uh, with the first pick.
So he reports are he wants to go to Oklahoma City,
who has the second pick. So it may be his
way of saying, don't draft me, now, explain something to me.
Oklahoma City is like the most non urban you know,
(16:24):
Middle America NBA franchise. So you, I mean, your mind
just goes, okay, what the first white player that's been
at the top of the draft were what over what
forty years or at least white American player, So I
think that it's it was like seventies seven or seventy
(16:44):
eight was the last time there was an American born
white player that went number one. So it does seem
like he wants to go to Oklahoma City, which is
in what a ten year rebuild, And I know there's
a lot of faith with all their draft choice is
it's just like that seems like a weird play. Orlando
is a real up and coming team and and and
(17:05):
there's like no to Orlando and Disneyland, but yes to
Oklahoma City. I'd make the argument we talked about the
Warriors being like having a winning culture. I think Orlando
is the opposite of that. We've seen a lot of
Orlando's top draft picks get better once they leave Orlando,
and Orlando's had several top ten picks and finals fifteen
years ago, twelve years ago, and then they were in
(17:26):
the finals right with Shock and Penny. Sure, that's a
that's a lifetime ago. Well, no, no, no, no, twin
to be in the finals twice in twenty five years
is statistically more than you should be. Right if you
think about it, is in twenty five years, fifty teams
are going to make the finals. Well, if you're one
of thirty teams and you make it twice, you've exceeded expectations, right.
(17:50):
I don't know that's interesting any any final thoughts on it, Scott.
I think she Holgren is. I get it. He's gonna
go to the NBA and he's gonna build up his body. Um,
but he's going to be in for a route awakening
with some of these NBA big men because you think
he's physically not ready. He's not ready right now? What
do you think on that age? I think that's literally
the only knock on him. And he is skinny. He's
(18:12):
not ready, that he's skinny, that he's he's like it's
hard to imagine him bodying up Joel Embiid, but literally
everything else about his game is there. He's got an
NBA game, he just doesn't have an NBA body. All right.
So I'm gonna talk Gronk for a minute or two,
but we will keep you updated each day with the
NBA odds, and you'll know come Thursday who likely is
(18:34):
gonna go number one. I believe that Gronk saying no
at this point. And I know there's a conversation like,
well he could still play. People are so sick of
people retiring and then not retired. I don't think Gronk
does that. Maybe it's a power play for the contract.
I don't know, but man, oh man, it feels like
if I had a bet right now, will Gronk play
(18:56):
this year? I would strongly bett now. Right though there
is a chance you give me tend to one, I'll
say yes. But for the most part, I think we're
moving towards he doesn't play. Is that how I agree?
And the and the Bucks took two tight ends in
the draft, I think, and they kind of knew that
this may be coming. I don't know about that. They
didn't even know. I mean when the draft was happening.
(19:17):
Was Brady Brady wasn't even back at that point, right
or was he? I think he was already back because
it was the free agency. Okay, So I guess my
point would be this, this feels like it's a last
go around when everyone's kind of got their bags packed
even when before the season starts. And I'm not saying
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they're not gonna try to win. I'm not saying Tampa
doesn't have a real chance. But right now Tampa is
the second favorite in the NFL, behind only the Bills.
The Chiefs tend to one, though Tampa is at seven
and a half to one or so Rams tend to one,
Packers tend to one. I don't think the Bucks are
in the position that people think they are. I'm looking
to fade him in the right spot because i think
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