January 7, 2020 • 40 mins
On today's edition of Straight Outta Vegas, RJ Bell and Jonas Knox discuss the new coaching hires around the NFL. RJ says Joe Judge may not be a great hire or great scheming coach, but he may be a good leader of men coming from the Saban and Belichick coaching tree. RJ goes on to say that he doesn't think he will be successful. Also, RJ says the Matt Rhule hiring in Carolina is a no-brainer because Owner David Tepper is a hedge fund manager, and knows it is a results driven business. The guys also do some number crunching of the Patriots success over the last 10 years to truly show how much better they have been than the second best being the Seahawks. The guys cap the show off with an early look at the divisional round Vegas lines, and what RJ likes.
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Vegas trip. Ear's r J Bow That's right, I'm r
J live from Las Vegas. Two hundred Fox Sports radio
stations across this great nation. It's a Tuesday, but an
action packed Tuesday, and it's a rustial Tuesday. Usually we
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have the pros who know. But I gotta pull back
the curtain a little bit and tell you that even
though I'm approaching this show straight out of Vegas, differently,
we're trying to do it from a Vegas perspective. I've
always thought Jonas knocks part of the show. He's one
of those classic old school you can say debunked, you
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can say outdated. I'm not gonna say that talk radio guys.
And I just wonder, do I have that gear? Could
I go old school talk radio mano Imano with Jonas?
And I thought today with coaching hires, with potential browns,
who's next and all of that, this would be the
perfect day. Jonas. I'm ready to go way to really
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get into sports radio. And get into the coal mines
of sports talk radio. And that's weekend overnight. But since
since we can't go into weekend overnight here, we can't
start the Vegas Vegas lead on a day r J
when we've got the playoffs coming up in the NFL
this weekend. Still a lot to look at what happened
last weekend in the NFL wild Card round of the playoffs.
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But for the Vegas folks, for you guys in Vegas,
and you the voice of Vegas, what is the lead
for you today? You know something I'm deferring to you.
This is since this is a special show, it's not
really a Vegas show that I'm gonna listen when I'm there,
it's a Vegas show. But I'm gonna let you decide
which of the coaching hires do you think is the
bigger story? Yeah? I actually think the New York excuse me,
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the New York Giants who made the decision to hire
Joe Judge, the Patriots wide receivers coach, that was announced
earlier today. According to several reports, so the Giants have
announced that hiring of Joe Judge, and this comes after
the Panthers hired Matt Rule of Baylor, a seven year,
sixty million dollar contract for Rule that could be worth
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up to seventy million dollars there in Carolina. Well that's
a nice one. Let's start with Judge New York City style.
Now what I'll say is this, if you want to
kind of have a joke about it, you want to
kind of giggle. He came out of nowhere. The first
Google return for Joe Judge is a baseball player for
the Washington Senators from the twenties. Now at one point
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I think he did lead the league as first baseman
assisting double plays. But still this is a situation where
the pedigree in the near you know, recent past mighty
good for Judge. Uh with Belichick since two thousand twelve
and three years with Saban at Alabama before that. Don't
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do better than that. But before that he was like
at a Division three school. So think about this in
like two eight, Division three, and I don't know how
much you know about these low level, you know, small
school coaches. They sometimes they're making and I don't know
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exactly what he was making, but it was a very
modest salary. Ten years later and he's the head coach
of the Giants. I mean, in a way, it's a
amazing story. The question is he ready? So what's your
gut feeling. I actually kind of like it, um and
I know it's their plan B. But the fact that
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he's been mentored by Saban and mentored by Belichick. They're
not going to just take anybody under their wing unless
they see somebody who's really driven, somebody that they believe
could turn out to do great things. Belichick's talked about
what Bill Parcels did for him and when he took
him under his wing and showed him sort of the
ins and outs of of certain coaching aspects maybe people
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don't realize on the outside. So he's got the support,
he's got the experience, he's got the mentorship. And we've
seen coaches like this Allah John Harbaugh, who was a
special team's coach, never spent time really as a coordinator,
but got an opportunity, and look what he's done in Baltimore,
no doubt. Now calling cow her right here in fs
are made the point today that Andy Reid is a mentor,
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that that's his a natural state for him. And if
you look at the Andy Reid coaching tree, what Harball
is from then it's it's very uh successful. I think
it's a fair thing. Now Belichicks not so much. Now.
Remember Vrabel played for him, didn't coach under him, So
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I don't think you can put him in the Tennessee
Titans success this year in the mix. So what do
we got? We got, Patricia, we got and I listen
a lot of optimism in Miami with four a's, but
I mean, nothing really yet and otherwise not a great
You know, if we go back to Romeo care now
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not a great uh Man Man, Gene the genius, Maino
not great? Would you agree with that? Yeah, no, but
I would think that, you know, taking a more positive approach.
So what you're saying, is there due like one of
these guys. I don't think like that. I I don't
like when I think of a guy that hasn't had
a date for let's say two years, this Friday night,
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even money, I'm saying, no day, it might might be
a reason for that too. That's that's how I approach you.
That's the Vegas style. I know it's not late night talk,
but what I'll say is this, I think there's a
reason for it that Belichick's Tree has not been successful,
and to be candid, I don't think it changes here.
And here's what I believe the reason to be. Imagine
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there's a couple of options on how to coach a team.
The first is the Tom Landry let's go back in
time kind of the CEO coach, the guy that doesn't
even wear a headset, let's say. And the reason is
he's not thinking about the plays, he's not thinking about coverages.
He's thinking about bringing talent together. He's thinking about making
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sure everyone's working on the right things, they've got the
resources they need. The old CEO coach, And we can
think today, uh, you know, a guy like Peterson at
Philly falls into the that criteria, whereas it doesn't seem
as if he's really involved in a lot of things
in the minutia, the detail, but it comes together. Well.
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Now we'll see a lot of people speculate Frank Reich
was such a key part of that Super Bowl and
after he's been gone, hasn't been as good for Philly.
Is that luck? You know, just randomness? Is that about
Reich being so vital? I don't know. But there's a
CEO coach, right, you agree? You see though sometimes now
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you've got what uh Sean Paynton. I think he falls
into this category. I think Andy Reid does, which is
a side of the ball guy, a guy that says,
I'm an offensive coordinator, and but I want to get
paid like a head coach, so give me and I
want to power, so give me the job. I'll run
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the offense. I'll get a good, strong defensive coordinator. And
McVeigh I think fit into this exactly right with Wade Phillips.
Let him handle the defense. He's like the head coach
on that side, and I'll coach the rest. Now that's
been pretty say, and I think that Naggy falls in
that category. And it feels like to me that and again,
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these aren't very you know, these aren't like black lines.
I think you know, you can say, well this coaching
a little bit more. But in general there's these categories,
and I think a lot of the talented coaches, the
young talented coaches, seem to fall into their really good coordinators.
And in business, we often talk about where a guy
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becomes a sales manager because he's a great salesman, but
it's two different jobs and usually you'll lose your best
sales manager or I'm sorry, your best salesman to be
a mediocre sales manager. And oftentimes coordinators are great. Coordinators
are great schematic guys, ski guys, not great leaders of men.
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And I think Naggi is still quite frankly under you know,
I think it's undecided how good of a coach he is.
I think he's a great coordinator. I don't know how
good of a head coach he is well. And I
thought the way Naggi handled the loss in the playoffs
last year was I thought it was a disaster. He
made it all about a double joint kick, and he
paid no mind to the fact that they had multiple
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opportunities to ice the game. Their defense, which was supposedly
best in the league, gave up a sixty r drive
at the end of regulation to a backup quarterback. But
he had everybody focused on the kicking competition instead of
all right, what are we doing now? And they just
never felt right all season. I agree, And I think
once they started going south this year, he didn't handle
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it all that well either, at least from the outside
it didn't see him, and then fired a bunch of
assistants after the season, And who knows if that's his choice,
or the you know, front office saying you've got to
do this right. And I don't know. What I know
is Bill bell Check had four losing years out of
five with the Browns. The idea that you can just
skip these steps of maturing, I don't know. It's a
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modern idea that all because of computers and all that
these kids got it all figured out. As we look
back in hindsight, now five years ago we would have
said who's the best coaches? It would have been Belichick,
Andy Reid, Sean Payton, John Harball, Tomlin. Is that list
any different today? No? I think that sounds about right.
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So mcveigh's the big wild card, right because he's, you know,
to me, the most successful of the young bucks. But really,
we're gonna see now, aren't we, Because they spent a
lot of money to try to win in the last
two years and they haven't. Now those bills come due
for the rams. I'm RJ BO straight out of Vegas.
Now there's one last style. It is the I'm Gonna
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do it all. It's a director. They called it the
R tour theory that hey, it's Spielberg, he's got to
figure it out you've got a problem with the camera,
He'll jump over and run the camera. Kubrick was like this,
the guys that they owned the making of the film
and it was their film. They were the artists that mattered.
And I think with Belichick, no doubt. Oh you've got
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a problem on defense, I'll jump over their special teams,
I'll jump over there. It's at depth of knowledge that
they're the best at everything. They're only one of them,
but they can put it all together because they have
that deep, deep knowledge. I think there's only one Belichick.
I know there's only one, and I think what we're
seeing is some of his coaching tree. They learned under
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that approach that the head guy is a genius approach
and they're not geniuses. And I don't care about rocket scientists.
You might be a good rocket scientist. I'm talking about
a football genius. And Patricia he seems no nonsense. He
seems style burn. He seems to want to be involved
in everything, but he doesn't have the pedigree where the
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players say, yeah, it makes sense he's doing this. And
I think we forget that Belichick was what fifty years
old when he took over for the you know, Patriots
or something. So here we are at fifty having, you know,
with Super Bowl rings dangling around his neck like too
many to put on your hands with you know, the
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Giants and Parcels and then he you know, obviously was
with the Pats when they went and played against the Packers,
when Parcels was there so as pedigreed as you get
and already having five years to make his mistakes, and
he did with the Browns, and it seemed like he
learned from him. So as you look at it, Jonas,
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do you see that perhaps it's the style that these
Belichick disciples tried to coach without being Belichick that might
be the problem. Yeah, I think so, because I mean
even McDaniel McDaniels got off to a great start when
he took over in Denver and then it just went,
i mean to complete crap and and his reputation took
a hit. He was not well liked in the building.
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Like I've talked to people that were in Denver that
covered the team at the time. They said it was
just a disaster. So it's almost like they're coming in
there with a Belichick background but not really any of
the credentials to go along with it, and I wonder
if that's where the mistakes are made. I think so,
And maybe as they're now moving into the third generation
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of his disciples, his tree, maybe they're gonna learn from it,
and maybe Flora's is. And it strikes me that Patrick,
that there is that stubbornness right there, is that my
way or the highway. And there's also the sense of
if you're gonna be that way, you've got to know
best about everything, Whereas in business oftentimes, you know, if
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you listen to all the A plus business guys, the
guys that were in the big companies, they're often talking about, well,
I want to hire the guy that's smarter than me
at this and let him do his thing, and I
want to empower him. And the funny thing was there
was probably one coach that he could never find someone
smarter than him, Belichick, so he did it differently. It
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just seems like maybe that is the problem. So when
I look at Judge, I love the pedigree with Balochick
in general, though we've just raised the issue of the
super coach thing. I also love Saban. I love that
he was in a humble place, you know where ten
years ago he was in division you know, three or
whatever it was. And I also like the fact that
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he was a full a quarterback in college but didn't start.
So the guys that are super successful, they often struggle
with coaches. It's usually those backup quarterbacks that do better,
don't you think. Yeah? And I also don't discount this
at all because as much as I like to hire
because it's different and I'm curious to see if it
will work, I think Gettlman is the type of guy
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who makes out of the box decisions hoping that it
works and he can get all the praise afterwards. Hey,
you gotta wonder though, he he has to know this
is his last shot, right Yeah. I mean old habits
die hard. I mean he took Daniel Jones was very questionable.
People didn't understand why he took him where he took him.
He got criticized for the sake kwon Barkley pick because
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as you look now, he's a great player. But Sam
Donald was on the board. Why wouldn't you take your
franchise quarter Wait ho ho ho, you're saying right now,
this is like this is weekend stuff here. You're saying
right now, you'd rather have Sam Donald on your team
than no, no, no, right now, what I'm saying. At
the time when the decision was made, people looked at
Dave Gettleman like, what what are you doing? You can
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I know, but that was that was sort of the
Dave Gettleman's very stubborn. He's got it, he's got an approach.
He wants to do something a little bit different, and
that's been the knock on Gettleman. So at the time
of both those draft picks, he was criticized for him.
I defended him. I said, look, take the best player available.
If Barkley is the best player available, you take him.
And Daniel Jones played really well at times this season.
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So I just wonder if Gettleman still has that in
him to where I'm gonna make it out of the
box higher and I'm gonna get all the credit for
it if it works. So who would you want right
now and your on your roster Barkley or Donald? Oh,
geez um, Barkley. He's had a better career. Yeah, I mean, listen,
I still make the case that the way Donald played
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in his second year, that there's no quarterback that's elite
today that play that poorly in his second year. Yeah,
he gets a lot of a lot of free passes.
Oh my gosh. I mean, I don't know how it works.
There must be some kind of slush fund in media.
All right, so this is what we're gonna do. We've
gone over the Joe Judge higher, and I think there's
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an open question with that too, is did the Giants panic?
I can't imagine the Browns were, you know, all anxious
to hire Joe Judge. Maybe, but it was like, you know,
you lose your guy Rule and then all of a sudden,
you gotta make a quick higher to try to win
the news cycle. Right. It's not about news cycles, right,
It's about winning in the playoffs, and the Giants haven't
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done that for a while. I can't predict what is
gonna happen with Judge, but it felt a little quick
to me. It felt a little quick right after Rule
said no, no, no. So when we come back, we're
gonna talk about this higher. I think there's a part
of it from the owner's perspective that boats very very
well for the Carolina Panthers. That's coming up next. He's
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In just a couple of moments, we will talk about
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in the National Football League. Yes, great day to join
a special one on one Jonas versus r J. I
did find it interesting, Jonas. It's sometimes when they promote
the show, you know, it's always r J. Bell, but
sometimes Jonas his name gets in there. Sometimes it doesn't,
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and the suits will say, is that important to you?
I got no, No, whatever works. So you know, I
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You don't want to show to suffer just to shoehorn
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r J. Bell, not Jonas Knox. Right now in the strip,
it's sixty degrees and then Neon is chugging. So the
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care line of Panthers have found their new head coach
after parting ways with Ron Rivera during the season, and
it is Matt Rule from Baylor. The deal is seven years,
sixty million dollars and it could get upwards to seventy
million dollars based on certain incentives. So the Carolina Panthers
have found their guy, the former Baylor head coach. Love it,
love it, love it. And I think what we're going
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to find out as the hedge fund guys start to
enter the next stage of their lives. And these hedge
fun guys are a new breed. I mean, there were
you know, quote unquote hedge funds back in the day,
but it's really something where a lot of them started
up around the early two thousand's, the quants, where it
was quantitative and it's mostly math driven. And these guys
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make normal business guys look like jokes. I mean, they
really these are brilliant people that are in such a
cutthrow business. And that's the think. It's it's like the SEC.
Colin Cowhard always talks about you've gotta be great in
the SEC or you're gonna get destroyed. That's you don't
have a choice. Am I gonna take this seriously? We're
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gonna be about winning. No, You've got to be about
winning in the SEC. And it doesn't matter what it takes.
That's what it's like in these hedge funds. And to
have a guy like the Carolina owner entering into a
world of let's say old money quite frankly and a
lot of second third generation money. Uh, it's gonna be
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like a slaughter. I think I have so much optimism
about Carolina and what did we see from this higher
that that is different. Number One, coaches are not on
the salary cap. The big lament is the idea of what, well,
we need a good coach, we need someone to build
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a program. And we're debating where, well, you know, you
can get a coach chief for four million and ah,
if you pay ten that's a lot. So the range
is what six million dollars? Jonas, Does that sound right? Yeah?
So it's seven years, sixty million dollars could be upwards
to seventy million. And and so this is the top
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of the range, right, Is what I'm saying is a
coach is hired like the Bengals coach. Uh, I'm guessing
I don't know his salary. I'm guessing he's in the
three four million, right, Yeah, it's normally not this. Yeah,
So what we're saying is if you get the worst coach,
you know, like the old Ben Maller on that commercial
just now saying hey, I've hit hard times pennies on
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the dollar. Well, the idea is there is if you're
hiring the Bengals coach, you're getting them for four and
you hire the best coach, Belichick, Let's say you're getting
them for ten. So the range is six million, where
up the high to the low. That is how much
of the salary cap, Right, the salary cap is you
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know what a hundred and fifty or something. It's it's
gone up the every year. I would have to look
that up just to get so. But but what we
know for sure is that six million is a little
tiny percentage of it, yes, all right, like less than
five of it. So Now it's like, wait a minute.
You can go from the cheapest coach to the best coach,
or at least, in theory, the highest paid coach, all
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for six million. It doesn't go off your salary cap. Now,
how much money are the Patriots worth more today than
they were in two thousand and Let's say we subtract
out the appreciation that happened to the entire NFL. So
let's just say whatever it was across the league values
went up. Maybe I'm guessing now, how much do you
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think the Pats are up? Much? Much more? How much
of that was Belichick? Probably hundreds of millions of dollars worth.
He's never been paid that. You get the right coach,
you're never gonna pay him enough. So the idea of
saying we're gonna pick the guy we want and we're
gonna give him the Godfather offer, to me, it's just good,
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solid thinking. When a great coach can change the value
of a franchise by billions of dollars over a decade,
it just seems like a no brainer. Does Does it
makes sense to you, Jones that you would pay a
premium for an elite coach? Yeah? And I like the
commitment of it, the terms of the deal, the seven
years to go along with it. That's not normal. It's
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It's why I always liked what Danny Ainge did when
he hired Brad Stevens with the Celtics, immediately gave a
guy out of college a six year deal, letting him know, hey,
you're our guy, all right, so you're gonna be here
for the long term and we're thus gonna build around you.
It worked with Danny Ainge. The forty Niners did the
same thing with Kyle Shanahan, gave him a six year deal.
It's worked with Kyle Shanahan. I like the fact that
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there's a commitment clearly to Matt rule, and it's why
he took the job and and didn't even get on
a plane to go interview with the Giants. Though the
story is he called the Giants and said, here's the offer.
Do you want to try to beat it? So he again.
I guess it's only good business to make the offer
to them. But it's interesting that giants said no. You
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gotta wonder is that a sign that they felt like
Joe Judge was in the same ballpark, or is that
a sign that no matter what they're not going to
pay a premium for a coach. It might be what
you pointed out, the new school versus old school thinking.
Dave Gettleman is an old school football guy. He's old school,
and then these new school thinkers come in there with
the Carolina Panthers and their approach is just different. And
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so maybe they didn't feel like they could give him
the terms or didn't want to give him the terms
because that's not the normal thing to do for a coach. Now,
let me ask you this question. I'm RJ both straight
out of Vegas with Jonas Knox, face off style. Let
me ask you this. You said that you like the
six years, the extended offer or the length of it.
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How much of that is about that the players are
going to respect him because it's like he's here baby.
How much of that is he's unproven at the NFL level,
so that's another sign of respect. But how much of
it is potentially queueing into everyone else? This is a rebuild.
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And if you're thinking about because I can tell you
in business, oftentimes the thing that's going to be best
long term is not best short term. And you got
to pick one. Which one is your master? Is it
short term or is it long term? And if the
Carolina ownership says, hey, we're not gonna tank, but we're
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not gonna try to put any band aids on this thing.
We're gonna rebuild the right way. Oftentimes that means some
really bad at season or two, that's really bad. Whereas
if you hire or if you pay some free agents
some character problems perhaps, or they're decent on the field,
you might win seven games, but you're not really building
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to anything. Yeah, it's a it's a clear indicator. It's
gonna be probably you're probably gonna see some rough times
over the next couple of years. But I would say this,
if you said from the year four, so next year's
year one, so year one, two and three, forget year
four to year ten, I think I take Carolina somewhere
in the top five or six. As uh. If if
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we're gonna do like super Bowl wins or whatever metric
we're gonna say, I think you're gonna see a lot
of winning out of the Panthers. Yeah, it feels like
that would be. I just want to see what their
quarterback is gonna be because with this move that Cam Newton,
I mean I would assume they're probably moving on from
Cam Newton and going in a different direction. But I
would need to see what their quarterback is gonna be.
I think Cam Newton is an asset. If you look
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at his salary this year, it's it's really reasonable. And
my guess is if they do move on from Cam,
they'll be able to trade them. Is when I'm guessing
which is another might be a good thing for them
if they are, you know, in that deep rebuild. Last
thing here, we always like to use Vegas numbers as
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a guy to how well a guy has done. So
my rule was at Temple before Baylor and boy oh boy,
almost fifty five straight up okay, twenty three against the
spread at Temple, Matt rule thirty five winners, sixteen losers,
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sixty nine percent. Wows Now, this is surprising. A Baylor
straight up record below five nineteen and twenty a TS
record eighteen, so fifty four. I know that it was
the really bad and the really good and the trend
lines up, but but he just succeeded expectations a smidge
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a Baylor overall against the spread. Remember this isn't just
about betting, guys, This is about do you exceed or
fall short of expectations. That's what the spread is. And
Matt Rule has exceeded expectations in his years in college
by over six Last question in the NFL, Jonas, when
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it comes to coaching, there's one team left. What's your
guests on the brund Oh God, Um, Josh McDaniels. You
think so? Yeah, I think Josh McDaniels. So that means
so the theory is that kind of having the player
friend Because McDaniels, as you said earlier, you know, renowned
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to be tough, his way or the highway. It seems
to be the opposite of Freddie Kitchens. Yeah, it's um.
He butted heads with a lot of players in Denver,
but I also saw a a special that they did
on his time since being fired from Denver, and he
had so much time to reflect and really reevaluated his
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approach and was honest about I didn't do things the
right way. Uh. And when he ever, whenever he did
get an opportunity again, if that ever came him up,
that he was going to handle things the right way.
And so if this is the year he decides to leave,
it feels like the Browns in looking at him, would
just say, Okay, let's trust that this guy's learned from
his mistakes and then we move forward. You gotta wonder, though,
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what else would he say? Yeah, I just and the
fact he's doing a special on it means he understands
that's what he needs to do. Right. It's like, I'm
not saying it's the same, but it's a more extreme case.
But you know o J talking about you know, how
he's made some mistakes breaking up in the past. I mean,
you know, at some point you got to say, okay,
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but what's the person's nature And it seems like he's
still pretty combustible on the sidelines. Yeah, I just I
don't I think it's gonna be Josh McDaniels. That feels
like the biggest name out there, but it could end
up being Salaf from the forty niners. Um. There's people
that have talked about that as a potential higher Some
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people have even thrown out Jason Garrett's name, which which
I don't see happening. But if it feels like the
biggest name out there is McDaniels, it's interesting. Garrett actually
seems like to me, I think the thing you can't forget.
Is this, if you're the owner of the Browns, haslum,
what is your highest priority? Is it winning or is
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it you enjoy in owning the Browns? I am certain
it's not winning. Right If somehow he had to go
in a cave and not all go to any gains,
you know, some extreme thing where he couldn't be the owner,
he couldn't be stratting around. Doesn't seem like he do that? Well?
I mean, just to ask yourself this, what do you
think he checks first in the morning. Do you think
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he checks the standings of the a f C North
or his bank account or I think he might check
his Twitter mention. So I mean, I think that's the
thing when you got an owner like that who seems
to like you know, how often do you see the Rooneys.
I mean, as much as I don't love I'm a
Steelers fan, I think the Steelers are in per fect.
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I think the lack of analytics, a lack of forward
thinking is a problem and it's just gonna get worse.
But I like, I think Pittsburgh is set up where
the ownership group is not getting in the way. And
to me, you tell me the team where the ownership
group is getting in the way that's successful. Since Jimmy
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Johnson got shoved out the door, I'm not sure anything
jumps out at me. No, I can't think of anything.
And the fact that we probably said has M's name more.
I mean, if we rank the ownership groups on fs
are in the last twelve months, how many times it's
Jerry Jones at the top and how many times owners
are mentioned? I mean, Haslm's gotta be in the top five, right, yeah,
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I would say haslem Um, I would say, uh, the Clippers,
And I'm forgetting his name right now, I'm blanking on
his name. Steve Bomber, Oh you mean in the NBA,
Yeah yeah, and and Crafts up there because you know,
whatever was going on down in Florida. But I mean
what I'm saying is is, in general Craft has been
in the background, right and as he's gotten older, I
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think that's part of the problem. The rumors are the
Jimmy g where he got involved in it, you know,
and if anything, it seems like that caused the biggest
riff with within the Patriots and anything in the last
twenty years. Is the one time Craft seem to say Hey,
let me stick my nose in football, and ultimately you've
got to respect the owners right to make decisions like that.
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It's just as a coach. If you're elite, that's not
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are straight out of Vegas, and I'm Jonas Knox, Voice
of You the Fan, r J. The playoffs in the
NFL continue this weekend, but it's sort of an unfamiliar
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feeling to the playoffs. We is the Patriots are out
after losing the Titans at Foxboro. Yeah, and this is
one where I just think, sometimes you keep saying the
same thing, you know, like I always hear you saying,
Brad Pitt is so good looking, right, and you keep
saying it, and you say it and you say it
and it loses its meat. I can't stop exactly. And again,
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I know judgment, but here's what I'll say he is
good looking. Come on, here's the thing, though, the Patriots
are so good. They've been so good it deserves to
be quantified. So what I did and pregame dot com
Research Mackenzie headed this up. I had an idea. I said,
let's quantify, let's figure out what it means to succeed
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in the NFL. And I kept as simple, simple as best.
You make the playoffs, you get a point. For every
round you advance, you get a point. So that's it.
And if you win the super Bowl you get an
extra point. So super Bowl wins five with the New
England did this year one they made the playoffs, they
got a point, didn't advance. Now you make the playoffs
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and get a bye, you get two points because you've
advanced around. Doesn't you earn that during the regular season.
So it's really that simple. Make the playoffs, lose, you
get one. Get to the second round, however you do,
you get to get to the third round, you get three.
Get to the super Bowl and lose, you get four.
You win the super Bowl, you get five. All right,
we went ten years. That's a nice round number. New
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England has a thirty five points. I'm gonna let you
pick two other teams. You haven't seen this list, and
I think the odds are your two teams won't have
as many points as New England. Okay, so two other
teams over the last ten years that have advanced the
most in the playoffs. All right, I'm gonna go the Steelers,
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and I'm gonna go, by the way, no matter who
you pick, you lose, I know, and I'm gonna go. Jeez,
the Packers. Okay, the Hackers were third, they had eighteen points.
Steelers were six with fourteen points. So that adds up
to thirty two. Oh, by the way, New England has
thirty five. I mean, think about that, is there's only
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two teams if you combine them, that beat them. Seattle
was number two with twenty points. Green Bay has eighteen.
So green Bay and Seattle denverse fourth with fifteen. So
literally pretty much, except for one coupling, any two teams,
no matter how successful, have advanced less in the playoffs
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than the New England Patriots. And that counts this year,
meaning you know, they got one point this year. This
is their bad year. Now as this season progressed, you know,
green Bay advances more, they get some more points. Right,
But it really is a situation that they are. Their
performance of the Patriots in the playoffs literally double any
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other two team teams. And to me, I don't think
we I mean think about Michael Jordan's scoring, uh fifty
eight points on average and the second best score having
twenty nine. I mean, that's what we're talking about here, right,
is one team doing doubly as well as any other team.
And by the way, you look at a team like Philadelphia,
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you think pretty good run huh they have ten points
ten verses thirty five. I mean Indianapolis nine points. All
this Andrew Luck talk blah blah blah. Nine advancement points
versus thirty five. It's insane. The Cowboys six six advancement
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points versus thirty five. This New England is in another universe.
And I just don't you know, if if there's anything
I can do in the national media, it's gonna be
let's not let that be forgotten how great New England is.
By the way, they're not playing this weekend, but we
do have ten to see nine and a half point
underdogs at Baltimore. Yeah, it's the Titans, nine and a
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half point underdogs at Baltimore and this game coming up
on Saturday night r J nine and a half on
pregame dot com. Is the Baltimore Tennessee. Yes, Yeah, to me,
I think that there's one, and we'll be given some
picks out soon enough. Here. I do think the following.
Baltimore likes to blitz, and I think the way you
stop the blitz is running the ball and have a
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mobile quarterback. So I think we're gonna see Tennessee get
their points. I also think you're gonna see Baltimore get
their points. So my gut feeling right now is going
to be the over in the game. But we'll get
to it. Yeah. And then also we've got on that Saturday,
the Vikings and the forty Niners will match up. And
obviously you took a victory lap yesterday calling the Minnesota
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Vikings plus the seven and a half at New Orleans,
they get their overtime win. Now they find themselves seven
point underdogs at San fran coming up on Saturday, and
I certainly enjoyed the victory lab we were right about it.
But here's the thing, and this is why this show
I think approaches things not just pure Vegas, is that
you did some reading a couple of years ago, literally
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remembered about Cousins, remembered about his uh propensity to be
let's say, very driven by a schedule to be routine based.
And we did the research and uncovered one o'clock starts.
He's as good as anyone, non one o'clock starts, Cousins
as bad as anyone. So this game again feels similar,
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but it's not at one o'clock Eastern. So I'm looking
San Francisco or passing this game myself. Uh, the odd
couple is next on many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates.
We are straight out of Vegas. We will be back
tomorrow six pm Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific, right here
on Fox Sports Radio as we continue to look ahead
to the NFL Divisional playoffs coming up this weekend. You
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Vegas trip. Ear's r J Bow That's right, I'm r
J live from Las Vegas. Two hundred Fox Sports radio
stations across this great nation. It's a Tuesday, but an
action packed Tuesday, and it's a rustial Tuesday. Usually we
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have the pros who know. But I gotta pull back
the curtain a little bit and tell you that even
though I'm approaching this show straight out of Vegas, differently,
we're trying to do it from a Vegas perspective. I've
always thought Jonas knocks part of the show. He's one
of those classic old school you can say debunked, you
(01:25):
can say outdated. I'm not gonna say that talk radio guys.
And I just wonder, do I have that gear? Could
I go old school talk radio mano Imano with Jonas?
And I thought today with coaching hires, with potential browns,
who's next and all of that, this would be the
perfect day. Jonas. I'm ready to go way to really
(01:50):
get into sports radio. And get into the coal mines
of sports talk radio. And that's weekend overnight. But since
since we can't go into weekend overnight here, we can't
start the Vegas Vegas lead on a day r J
when we've got the playoffs coming up in the NFL
this weekend. Still a lot to look at what happened
last weekend in the NFL wild Card round of the playoffs.
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But for the Vegas folks, for you guys in Vegas,
and you the voice of Vegas, what is the lead
for you today? You know something I'm deferring to you.
This is since this is a special show, it's not
really a Vegas show that I'm gonna listen when I'm there,
it's a Vegas show. But I'm gonna let you decide
which of the coaching hires do you think is the
bigger story? Yeah? I actually think the New York excuse me,
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the New York Giants who made the decision to hire
Joe Judge, the Patriots wide receivers coach, that was announced
earlier today. According to several reports, so the Giants have
announced that hiring of Joe Judge, and this comes after
the Panthers hired Matt Rule of Baylor, a seven year,
sixty million dollar contract for Rule that could be worth
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up to seventy million dollars there in Carolina. Well that's
a nice one. Let's start with Judge New York City style.
Now what I'll say is this, if you want to
kind of have a joke about it, you want to
kind of giggle. He came out of nowhere. The first
Google return for Joe Judge is a baseball player for
the Washington Senators from the twenties. Now at one point
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I think he did lead the league as first baseman
assisting double plays. But still this is a situation where
the pedigree in the near you know, recent past mighty
good for Judge. Uh with Belichick since two thousand twelve
and three years with Saban at Alabama before that. Don't
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do better than that. But before that he was like
at a Division three school. So think about this in
like two eight, Division three, and I don't know how
much you know about these low level, you know, small
school coaches. They sometimes they're making and I don't know
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exactly what he was making, but it was a very
modest salary. Ten years later and he's the head coach
of the Giants. I mean, in a way, it's a
amazing story. The question is he ready? So what's your
gut feeling. I actually kind of like it, um and
I know it's their plan B. But the fact that
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he's been mentored by Saban and mentored by Belichick. They're
not going to just take anybody under their wing unless
they see somebody who's really driven, somebody that they believe
could turn out to do great things. Belichick's talked about
what Bill Parcels did for him and when he took
him under his wing and showed him sort of the
ins and outs of of certain coaching aspects maybe people
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don't realize on the outside. So he's got the support,
he's got the experience, he's got the mentorship. And we've
seen coaches like this Allah John Harbaugh, who was a
special team's coach, never spent time really as a coordinator,
but got an opportunity, and look what he's done in Baltimore,
no doubt. Now calling cow her right here in fs
are made the point today that Andy Reid is a mentor,
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that that's his a natural state for him. And if
you look at the Andy Reid coaching tree, what Harball
is from then it's it's very uh successful. I think
it's a fair thing. Now Belichicks not so much. Now.
Remember Vrabel played for him, didn't coach under him, So
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I don't think you can put him in the Tennessee
Titans success this year in the mix. So what do
we got? We got, Patricia, we got and I listen
a lot of optimism in Miami with four a's, but
I mean, nothing really yet and otherwise not a great
You know, if we go back to Romeo care now
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not a great uh Man Man, Gene the genius, Maino
not great? Would you agree with that? Yeah, no, but
I would think that, you know, taking a more positive approach.
So what you're saying, is there due like one of
these guys. I don't think like that. I I don't
like when I think of a guy that hasn't had
a date for let's say two years, this Friday night,
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even money, I'm saying, no day, it might might be
a reason for that too. That's that's how I approach you.
That's the Vegas style. I know it's not late night talk,
but what I'll say is this, I think there's a
reason for it that Belichick's Tree has not been successful,
and to be candid, I don't think it changes here.
And here's what I believe the reason to be. Imagine
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there's a couple of options on how to coach a team.
The first is the Tom Landry let's go back in
time kind of the CEO coach, the guy that doesn't
even wear a headset, let's say. And the reason is
he's not thinking about the plays, he's not thinking about coverages.
He's thinking about bringing talent together. He's thinking about making
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sure everyone's working on the right things, they've got the
resources they need. The old CEO coach, And we can
think today, uh, you know, a guy like Peterson at
Philly falls into the that criteria, whereas it doesn't seem
as if he's really involved in a lot of things
in the minutia, the detail, but it comes together. Well.
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Now we'll see a lot of people speculate Frank Reich
was such a key part of that Super Bowl and
after he's been gone, hasn't been as good for Philly.
Is that luck? You know, just randomness? Is that about
Reich being so vital? I don't know. But there's a
CEO coach, right, you agree? You see though sometimes now
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you've got what uh Sean Paynton. I think he falls
into this category. I think Andy Reid does, which is
a side of the ball guy, a guy that says,
I'm an offensive coordinator, and but I want to get
paid like a head coach, so give me and I
want to power, so give me the job. I'll run
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the offense. I'll get a good, strong defensive coordinator. And
McVeigh I think fit into this exactly right with Wade Phillips.
Let him handle the defense. He's like the head coach
on that side, and I'll coach the rest. Now that's
been pretty say, and I think that Naggy falls in
that category. And it feels like to me that and again,
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these aren't very you know, these aren't like black lines.
I think you know, you can say, well this coaching
a little bit more. But in general there's these categories,
and I think a lot of the talented coaches, the
young talented coaches, seem to fall into their really good coordinators.
And in business, we often talk about where a guy
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becomes a sales manager because he's a great salesman, but
it's two different jobs and usually you'll lose your best
sales manager or I'm sorry, your best salesman to be
a mediocre sales manager. And oftentimes coordinators are great. Coordinators
are great schematic guys, ski guys, not great leaders of men.
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And I think Naggi is still quite frankly under you know,
I think it's undecided how good of a coach he is.
I think he's a great coordinator. I don't know how
good of a head coach he is well. And I
thought the way Naggi handled the loss in the playoffs
last year was I thought it was a disaster. He
made it all about a double joint kick, and he
paid no mind to the fact that they had multiple
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opportunities to ice the game. Their defense, which was supposedly
best in the league, gave up a sixty r drive
at the end of regulation to a backup quarterback. But
he had everybody focused on the kicking competition instead of
all right, what are we doing now? And they just
never felt right all season. I agree, And I think
once they started going south this year, he didn't handle
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it all that well either, at least from the outside
it didn't see him, and then fired a bunch of
assistants after the season, And who knows if that's his choice,
or the you know, front office saying you've got to
do this right. And I don't know. What I know
is Bill bell Check had four losing years out of
five with the Browns. The idea that you can just
skip these steps of maturing, I don't know. It's a
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modern idea that all because of computers and all that
these kids got it all figured out. As we look
back in hindsight, now five years ago we would have
said who's the best coaches? It would have been Belichick,
Andy Reid, Sean Payton, John Harball, Tomlin. Is that list
any different today? No? I think that sounds about right.
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So mcveigh's the big wild card, right because he's, you know,
to me, the most successful of the young bucks. But really,
we're gonna see now, aren't we, Because they spent a
lot of money to try to win in the last
two years and they haven't. Now those bills come due
for the rams. I'm RJ BO straight out of Vegas.
Now there's one last style. It is the I'm Gonna
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do it all. It's a director. They called it the
R tour theory that hey, it's Spielberg, he's got to
figure it out you've got a problem with the camera,
He'll jump over and run the camera. Kubrick was like this,
the guys that they owned the making of the film
and it was their film. They were the artists that mattered.
And I think with Belichick, no doubt. Oh you've got
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a problem on defense, I'll jump over their special teams,
I'll jump over there. It's at depth of knowledge that
they're the best at everything. They're only one of them,
but they can put it all together because they have
that deep, deep knowledge. I think there's only one Belichick.
I know there's only one, and I think what we're
seeing is some of his coaching tree. They learned under
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that approach that the head guy is a genius approach
and they're not geniuses. And I don't care about rocket scientists.
You might be a good rocket scientist. I'm talking about
a football genius. And Patricia he seems no nonsense. He
seems style burn. He seems to want to be involved
in everything, but he doesn't have the pedigree where the
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players say, yeah, it makes sense he's doing this. And
I think we forget that Belichick was what fifty years
old when he took over for the you know, Patriots
or something. So here we are at fifty having, you know,
with Super Bowl rings dangling around his neck like too
many to put on your hands with you know, the
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Giants and Parcels and then he you know, obviously was
with the Pats when they went and played against the Packers,
when Parcels was there so as pedigreed as you get
and already having five years to make his mistakes, and
he did with the Browns, and it seemed like he
learned from him. So as you look at it, Jonas,
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do you see that perhaps it's the style that these
Belichick disciples tried to coach without being Belichick that might
be the problem. Yeah, I think so, because I mean
even McDaniel McDaniels got off to a great start when
he took over in Denver and then it just went,
i mean to complete crap and and his reputation took
a hit. He was not well liked in the building.
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Like I've talked to people that were in Denver that
covered the team at the time. They said it was
just a disaster. So it's almost like they're coming in
there with a Belichick background but not really any of
the credentials to go along with it, and I wonder
if that's where the mistakes are made. I think so,
And maybe as they're now moving into the third generation
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of his disciples, his tree, maybe they're gonna learn from it,
and maybe Flora's is. And it strikes me that Patrick,
that there is that stubbornness right there, is that my
way or the highway. And there's also the sense of
if you're gonna be that way, you've got to know
best about everything, Whereas in business oftentimes, you know, if
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you listen to all the A plus business guys, the
guys that were in the big companies, they're often talking about, well,
I want to hire the guy that's smarter than me
at this and let him do his thing, and I
want to empower him. And the funny thing was there
was probably one coach that he could never find someone
smarter than him, Belichick, so he did it differently. It
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just seems like maybe that is the problem. So when
I look at Judge, I love the pedigree with Balochick
in general, though we've just raised the issue of the
super coach thing. I also love Saban. I love that
he was in a humble place, you know where ten
years ago he was in division you know, three or
whatever it was. And I also like the fact that
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he was a full a quarterback in college but didn't start.
So the guys that are super successful, they often struggle
with coaches. It's usually those backup quarterbacks that do better,
don't you think. Yeah? And I also don't discount this
at all because as much as I like to hire
because it's different and I'm curious to see if it
will work, I think Gettlman is the type of guy
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who makes out of the box decisions hoping that it
works and he can get all the praise afterwards. Hey,
you gotta wonder though, he he has to know this
is his last shot, right Yeah. I mean old habits
die hard. I mean he took Daniel Jones was very questionable.
People didn't understand why he took him where he took him.
He got criticized for the sake kwon Barkley pick because
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as you look now, he's a great player. But Sam
Donald was on the board. Why wouldn't you take your
franchise quarter Wait ho ho ho, you're saying right now,
this is like this is weekend stuff here. You're saying
right now, you'd rather have Sam Donald on your team
than no, no, no, right now, what I'm saying. At
the time when the decision was made, people looked at
Dave Gettleman like, what what are you doing? You can
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I know, but that was that was sort of the
Dave Gettleman's very stubborn. He's got it, he's got an approach.
He wants to do something a little bit different, and
that's been the knock on Gettleman. So at the time
of both those draft picks, he was criticized for him.
I defended him. I said, look, take the best player available.
If Barkley is the best player available, you take him.
And Daniel Jones played really well at times this season.
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So I just wonder if Gettleman still has that in
him to where I'm gonna make it out of the
box higher and I'm gonna get all the credit for
it if it works. So who would you want right
now and your on your roster Barkley or Donald? Oh,
geez um, Barkley. He's had a better career. Yeah, I mean, listen,
I still make the case that the way Donald played
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in his second year, that there's no quarterback that's elite
today that play that poorly in his second year. Yeah,
he gets a lot of a lot of free passes.
Oh my gosh. I mean, I don't know how it works.
There must be some kind of slush fund in media.
All right, so this is what we're gonna do. We've
gone over the Joe Judge higher, and I think there's
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an open question with that too, is did the Giants panic?
I can't imagine the Browns were, you know, all anxious
to hire Joe Judge. Maybe, but it was like, you know,
you lose your guy Rule and then all of a sudden,
you gotta make a quick higher to try to win
the news cycle. Right. It's not about news cycles, right,
It's about winning in the playoffs, and the Giants haven't
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done that for a while. I can't predict what is
gonna happen with Judge, but it felt a little quick
to me. It felt a little quick right after Rule
said no, no, no. So when we come back, we're
gonna talk about this higher. I think there's a part
of it from the owner's perspective that boats very very
well for the Carolina Panthers. That's coming up next. He's
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(17:55):
Jonas Knox's voice of you the Fan. Coming up here.
In just a couple of moments, we will talk about
somebody who just made themselves quite a bit of money
in the National Football League. Yes, great day to join
a special one on one Jonas versus r J. I
did find it interesting, Jonas. It's sometimes when they promote
the show, you know, it's always r J. Bell, but
sometimes Jonas his name gets in there. Sometimes it doesn't,
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and the suits will say, is that important to you?
I got no, No, whatever works. So you know, I
just want you to know that it's whatever. I mean.
You don't want to show to suffer just to shoehorn
your name. Listen like I'm I'm just a humble man.
I do my weekends and I'm just here to help out,
all right, And it's great day to join as we
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it's sixty degrees and then Neon is chugging. So the
(18:59):
care line of Panthers have found their new head coach
after parting ways with Ron Rivera during the season, and
it is Matt Rule from Baylor. The deal is seven years,
sixty million dollars and it could get upwards to seventy
million dollars based on certain incentives. So the Carolina Panthers
have found their guy, the former Baylor head coach. Love it,
love it, love it. And I think what we're going
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to find out as the hedge fund guys start to
enter the next stage of their lives. And these hedge
fun guys are a new breed. I mean, there were
you know, quote unquote hedge funds back in the day,
but it's really something where a lot of them started
up around the early two thousand's, the quants, where it
was quantitative and it's mostly math driven. And these guys
(19:49):
make normal business guys look like jokes. I mean, they
really these are brilliant people that are in such a
cutthrow business. And that's the think. It's it's like the SEC.
Colin Cowhard always talks about you've gotta be great in
the SEC or you're gonna get destroyed. That's you don't
have a choice. Am I gonna take this seriously? We're
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gonna be about winning. No, You've got to be about
winning in the SEC. And it doesn't matter what it takes.
That's what it's like in these hedge funds. And to
have a guy like the Carolina owner entering into a
world of let's say old money quite frankly and a
lot of second third generation money. Uh, it's gonna be
(20:32):
like a slaughter. I think I have so much optimism
about Carolina and what did we see from this higher
that that is different. Number One, coaches are not on
the salary cap. The big lament is the idea of what, well,
we need a good coach, we need someone to build
(20:53):
a program. And we're debating where, well, you know, you
can get a coach chief for four million and ah,
if you pay ten that's a lot. So the range
is what six million dollars? Jonas, Does that sound right? Yeah?
So it's seven years, sixty million dollars could be upwards
to seventy million. And and so this is the top
(21:14):
of the range, right, Is what I'm saying is a
coach is hired like the Bengals coach. Uh, I'm guessing
I don't know his salary. I'm guessing he's in the
three four million, right, Yeah, it's normally not this. Yeah,
So what we're saying is if you get the worst coach,
you know, like the old Ben Maller on that commercial
just now saying hey, I've hit hard times pennies on
(21:35):
the dollar. Well, the idea is there is if you're
hiring the Bengals coach, you're getting them for four and
you hire the best coach, Belichick, Let's say you're getting
them for ten. So the range is six million, where
up the high to the low. That is how much
of the salary cap, Right, the salary cap is you
(21:57):
know what a hundred and fifty or something. It's it's
gone up the every year. I would have to look
that up just to get so. But but what we
know for sure is that six million is a little
tiny percentage of it, yes, all right, like less than
five of it. So Now it's like, wait a minute.
You can go from the cheapest coach to the best coach,
or at least, in theory, the highest paid coach, all
(22:17):
for six million. It doesn't go off your salary cap. Now,
how much money are the Patriots worth more today than
they were in two thousand and Let's say we subtract
out the appreciation that happened to the entire NFL. So
let's just say whatever it was across the league values
went up. Maybe I'm guessing now, how much do you
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think the Pats are up? Much? Much more? How much
of that was Belichick? Probably hundreds of millions of dollars worth.
He's never been paid that. You get the right coach,
you're never gonna pay him enough. So the idea of
saying we're gonna pick the guy we want and we're
gonna give him the Godfather offer, to me, it's just good,
(23:03):
solid thinking. When a great coach can change the value
of a franchise by billions of dollars over a decade,
it just seems like a no brainer. Does Does it
makes sense to you, Jones that you would pay a
premium for an elite coach? Yeah? And I like the
commitment of it, the terms of the deal, the seven
years to go along with it. That's not normal. It's
(23:24):
It's why I always liked what Danny Ainge did when
he hired Brad Stevens with the Celtics, immediately gave a
guy out of college a six year deal, letting him know, hey,
you're our guy, all right, so you're gonna be here
for the long term and we're thus gonna build around you.
It worked with Danny Ainge. The forty Niners did the
same thing with Kyle Shanahan, gave him a six year deal.
It's worked with Kyle Shanahan. I like the fact that
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there's a commitment clearly to Matt rule, and it's why
he took the job and and didn't even get on
a plane to go interview with the Giants. Though the
story is he called the Giants and said, here's the offer.
Do you want to try to beat it? So he again.
I guess it's only good business to make the offer
to them. But it's interesting that giants said no. You
(24:08):
gotta wonder is that a sign that they felt like
Joe Judge was in the same ballpark, or is that
a sign that no matter what they're not going to
pay a premium for a coach. It might be what
you pointed out, the new school versus old school thinking.
Dave Gettleman is an old school football guy. He's old school,
and then these new school thinkers come in there with
the Carolina Panthers and their approach is just different. And
(24:31):
so maybe they didn't feel like they could give him
the terms or didn't want to give him the terms
because that's not the normal thing to do for a coach. Now,
let me ask you this question. I'm RJ both straight
out of Vegas with Jonas Knox, face off style. Let
me ask you this. You said that you like the
six years, the extended offer or the length of it.
(24:51):
How much of that is about that the players are
going to respect him because it's like he's here baby.
How much of that is he's unproven at the NFL level,
so that's another sign of respect. But how much of
it is potentially queueing into everyone else? This is a rebuild.
(25:12):
And if you're thinking about because I can tell you
in business, oftentimes the thing that's going to be best
long term is not best short term. And you got
to pick one. Which one is your master? Is it
short term or is it long term? And if the
Carolina ownership says, hey, we're not gonna tank, but we're
(25:34):
not gonna try to put any band aids on this thing.
We're gonna rebuild the right way. Oftentimes that means some
really bad at season or two, that's really bad. Whereas
if you hire or if you pay some free agents
some character problems perhaps, or they're decent on the field,
you might win seven games, but you're not really building
(25:57):
to anything. Yeah, it's a it's a clear indicator. It's
gonna be probably you're probably gonna see some rough times
over the next couple of years. But I would say this,
if you said from the year four, so next year's
year one, so year one, two and three, forget year
four to year ten, I think I take Carolina somewhere
in the top five or six. As uh. If if
(26:20):
we're gonna do like super Bowl wins or whatever metric
we're gonna say, I think you're gonna see a lot
of winning out of the Panthers. Yeah, it feels like
that would be. I just want to see what their
quarterback is gonna be because with this move that Cam Newton,
I mean I would assume they're probably moving on from
Cam Newton and going in a different direction. But I
would need to see what their quarterback is gonna be.
I think Cam Newton is an asset. If you look
(26:42):
at his salary this year, it's it's really reasonable. And
my guess is if they do move on from Cam,
they'll be able to trade them. Is when I'm guessing
which is another might be a good thing for them
if they are, you know, in that deep rebuild. Last
thing here, we always like to use Vegas numbers as
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a guy to how well a guy has done. So
my rule was at Temple before Baylor and boy oh boy,
almost fifty five straight up okay, twenty three against the
spread at Temple, Matt rule thirty five winners, sixteen losers,
(27:23):
sixty nine percent. Wows Now, this is surprising. A Baylor
straight up record below five nineteen and twenty a TS
record eighteen, so fifty four. I know that it was
the really bad and the really good and the trend
lines up, but but he just succeeded expectations a smidge
(27:46):
a Baylor overall against the spread. Remember this isn't just
about betting, guys, This is about do you exceed or
fall short of expectations. That's what the spread is. And
Matt Rule has exceeded expectations in his years in college
by over six Last question in the NFL, Jonas, when
(28:10):
it comes to coaching, there's one team left. What's your
guests on the brund Oh God, Um, Josh McDaniels. You
think so? Yeah, I think Josh McDaniels. So that means
so the theory is that kind of having the player
friend Because McDaniels, as you said earlier, you know, renowned
(28:31):
to be tough, his way or the highway. It seems
to be the opposite of Freddie Kitchens. Yeah, it's um.
He butted heads with a lot of players in Denver,
but I also saw a a special that they did
on his time since being fired from Denver, and he
had so much time to reflect and really reevaluated his
(28:52):
approach and was honest about I didn't do things the
right way. Uh. And when he ever, whenever he did
get an opportunity again, if that ever came him up,
that he was going to handle things the right way.
And so if this is the year he decides to leave,
it feels like the Browns in looking at him, would
just say, Okay, let's trust that this guy's learned from
his mistakes and then we move forward. You gotta wonder, though,
(29:14):
what else would he say? Yeah, I just and the
fact he's doing a special on it means he understands
that's what he needs to do. Right. It's like, I'm
not saying it's the same, but it's a more extreme case.
But you know o J talking about you know, how
he's made some mistakes breaking up in the past. I mean,
you know, at some point you got to say, okay,
(29:34):
but what's the person's nature And it seems like he's
still pretty combustible on the sidelines. Yeah, I just I
don't I think it's gonna be Josh McDaniels. That feels
like the biggest name out there, but it could end
up being Salaf from the forty niners. Um. There's people
that have talked about that as a potential higher Some
(29:55):
people have even thrown out Jason Garrett's name, which which
I don't see happening. But if it feels like the
biggest name out there is McDaniels, it's interesting. Garrett actually
seems like to me, I think the thing you can't forget.
Is this, if you're the owner of the Browns, haslum,
what is your highest priority? Is it winning or is
(30:17):
it you enjoy in owning the Browns? I am certain
it's not winning. Right If somehow he had to go
in a cave and not all go to any gains,
you know, some extreme thing where he couldn't be the owner,
he couldn't be stratting around. Doesn't seem like he do that? Well?
I mean, just to ask yourself this, what do you
think he checks first in the morning. Do you think
(30:38):
he checks the standings of the a f C North
or his bank account or I think he might check
his Twitter mention. So I mean, I think that's the
thing when you got an owner like that who seems
to like you know, how often do you see the Rooneys.
I mean, as much as I don't love I'm a
Steelers fan, I think the Steelers are in per fect.
(31:00):
I think the lack of analytics, a lack of forward
thinking is a problem and it's just gonna get worse.
But I like, I think Pittsburgh is set up where
the ownership group is not getting in the way. And
to me, you tell me the team where the ownership
group is getting in the way that's successful. Since Jimmy
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Johnson got shoved out the door, I'm not sure anything
jumps out at me. No, I can't think of anything.
And the fact that we probably said has M's name more.
I mean, if we rank the ownership groups on fs
are in the last twelve months, how many times it's
Jerry Jones at the top and how many times owners
are mentioned? I mean, Haslm's gotta be in the top five, right, yeah,
(31:45):
I would say haslem Um, I would say, uh, the Clippers,
And I'm forgetting his name right now, I'm blanking on
his name. Steve Bomber, Oh you mean in the NBA,
Yeah yeah, and and Crafts up there because you know,
whatever was going on down in Florida. But I mean
what I'm saying is is, in general Craft has been
in the background, right and as he's gotten older, I
(32:08):
think that's part of the problem. The rumors are the
Jimmy g where he got involved in it, you know,
and if anything, it seems like that caused the biggest
riff with within the Patriots and anything in the last
twenty years. Is the one time Craft seem to say Hey,
let me stick my nose in football, and ultimately you've
got to respect the owners right to make decisions like that.
(32:30):
It's just as a coach. If you're elite, that's not
the program you want to be with. We're gonna talk
about the four, the last word really on the weekend
games the four, and we're gonna look ahead to the
four this weekend. Be sure to catch live editions of
Straight Out of Vegas weekdays at six pm Eastern, three
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the last ten years, it is almost double any other team,
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are straight out of Vegas, and I'm Jonas Knox, Voice
of You the Fan, r J. The playoffs in the
NFL continue this weekend, but it's sort of an unfamiliar
(33:58):
feeling to the playoffs. We is the Patriots are out
after losing the Titans at Foxboro. Yeah, and this is
one where I just think, sometimes you keep saying the
same thing, you know, like I always hear you saying,
Brad Pitt is so good looking, right, and you keep
saying it, and you say it and you say it
and it loses its meat. I can't stop exactly. And again,
(34:21):
I know judgment, but here's what I'll say he is
good looking. Come on, here's the thing, though, the Patriots
are so good. They've been so good it deserves to
be quantified. So what I did and pregame dot com
Research Mackenzie headed this up. I had an idea. I said,
let's quantify, let's figure out what it means to succeed
(34:44):
in the NFL. And I kept as simple, simple as best.
You make the playoffs, you get a point. For every
round you advance, you get a point. So that's it.
And if you win the super Bowl you get an
extra point. So super Bowl wins five with the New
England did this year one they made the playoffs, they
got a point, didn't advance. Now you make the playoffs
(35:07):
and get a bye, you get two points because you've
advanced around. Doesn't you earn that during the regular season.
So it's really that simple. Make the playoffs, lose, you
get one. Get to the second round, however you do,
you get to get to the third round, you get three.
Get to the super Bowl and lose, you get four.
You win the super Bowl, you get five. All right,
we went ten years. That's a nice round number. New
(35:27):
England has a thirty five points. I'm gonna let you
pick two other teams. You haven't seen this list, and
I think the odds are your two teams won't have
as many points as New England. Okay, so two other
teams over the last ten years that have advanced the
most in the playoffs. All right, I'm gonna go the Steelers,
(35:51):
and I'm gonna go, by the way, no matter who
you pick, you lose, I know, and I'm gonna go. Jeez,
the Packers. Okay, the Hackers were third, they had eighteen points.
Steelers were six with fourteen points. So that adds up
to thirty two. Oh, by the way, New England has
thirty five. I mean, think about that, is there's only
(36:14):
two teams if you combine them, that beat them. Seattle
was number two with twenty points. Green Bay has eighteen.
So green Bay and Seattle denverse fourth with fifteen. So
literally pretty much, except for one coupling, any two teams,
no matter how successful, have advanced less in the playoffs
(36:36):
than the New England Patriots. And that counts this year,
meaning you know, they got one point this year. This
is their bad year. Now as this season progressed, you know,
green Bay advances more, they get some more points. Right,
But it really is a situation that they are. Their
performance of the Patriots in the playoffs literally double any
(36:59):
other two team teams. And to me, I don't think
we I mean think about Michael Jordan's scoring, uh fifty
eight points on average and the second best score having
twenty nine. I mean, that's what we're talking about here, right,
is one team doing doubly as well as any other team.
And by the way, you look at a team like Philadelphia,
(37:21):
you think pretty good run huh they have ten points
ten verses thirty five. I mean Indianapolis nine points. All
this Andrew Luck talk blah blah blah. Nine advancement points
versus thirty five. It's insane. The Cowboys six six advancement
(37:42):
points versus thirty five. This New England is in another universe.
And I just don't you know, if if there's anything
I can do in the national media, it's gonna be
let's not let that be forgotten how great New England is.
By the way, they're not playing this weekend, but we
do have ten to see nine and a half point
underdogs at Baltimore. Yeah, it's the Titans, nine and a
(38:05):
half point underdogs at Baltimore and this game coming up
on Saturday night r J nine and a half on
pregame dot com. Is the Baltimore Tennessee. Yes, Yeah, to me,
I think that there's one, and we'll be given some
picks out soon enough. Here. I do think the following.
Baltimore likes to blitz, and I think the way you
stop the blitz is running the ball and have a
(38:26):
mobile quarterback. So I think we're gonna see Tennessee get
their points. I also think you're gonna see Baltimore get
their points. So my gut feeling right now is going
to be the over in the game. But we'll get
to it. Yeah. And then also we've got on that Saturday,
the Vikings and the forty Niners will match up. And
obviously you took a victory lap yesterday calling the Minnesota
(38:49):
Vikings plus the seven and a half at New Orleans,
they get their overtime win. Now they find themselves seven
point underdogs at San fran coming up on Saturday, and
I certainly enjoyed the victory lab we were right about it.
But here's the thing, and this is why this show
I think approaches things not just pure Vegas, is that
you did some reading a couple of years ago, literally
(39:11):
remembered about Cousins, remembered about his uh propensity to be
let's say, very driven by a schedule to be routine based.
And we did the research and uncovered one o'clock starts.
He's as good as anyone, non one o'clock starts, Cousins
as bad as anyone. So this game again feels similar,
(39:33):
but it's not at one o'clock Eastern. So I'm looking
San Francisco or passing this game myself. Uh, the odd
couple is next on many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates.
We are straight out of Vegas. We will be back
tomorrow six pm Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific, right here
on Fox Sports Radio as we continue to look ahead
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