June 18, 2025 • 41 mins
Brian Noe is in for Big Ben and talks about the Florida Panthers clinching back-to-back Stanley Cups after defeating the Edmonton Oilers 5-3 in Game 6, Sophie Cunningham of the Indiana Fever starting a scuffle after coming to the defense of Caitlin Clark, Henry Ruggs hoping to make his way back to the NFL, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
We started off with some champions over here.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Huh. We crowned a champ on Tuesday night as the
Florida Panthers win back to back Stanley Cupps over the
Edmonton Oilers and basically the entire country of Canada.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I think is what happened.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Right there is Canada trying to win a Stanley Cup
for the first time since ninety three. Did not happen
yet again and Florida goes back to back.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
This is actually the final call.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You gotta love the final call of a Stanley Cup
series clinching.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Win unless you root for the other team. Of course.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
This is on the Panthers Radio network. Check this out
down to the final five seconds.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Rats, rain down Lort, Stanley's stay in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Last year was greatness.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
This time it's historic.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
The Florida Panthers hurt back to back Stanley Cup champions. Okay,
now I have lots to say about this. First off,
props to Rats rain Down. I love that. That's the
whole thing with the Florida Panthers. They throw rats, not
real rats, but just like fake rats on the ice.
There was a hat trick for Sam reyan Hart and
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they actually scored four goals in the game, tied an
NHL record for the most goals in a Stanley Cup
final game. But they throw these fake rats on the
ice to get a hat trick, and so I love that.
Like at the end, you know they're about to win
the Cup and all the fake rats are being thrown
on the ice. Now that was that was spontaneous. That
was impromptu right there, Rats rained Down. It's a good
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drop right there.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
But the end.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Not a fan of the end. I swear these broadcasters
and listen, I'm guilty of it too. It's you almost
have to guard against it because it does help on
one hand, you know, like if you're doing sports radio
play by play, it does help a little bit to
write a few ideas down. But I feel like in
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play by play especially, you can tell when it's just
so preorchestrated and you're like, that's just not spontaneous. It
doesn't feel like you're just in the moment when you
say something where it's like you didn't just come up
with that, clearly you thought about it. Like Jim Nantz
is doing the Super Bowl in Vegas and he's like,
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all right, all right, I gotta think of something here,
regardless of who wins, if it's the Chiefs or it's
the forty nine ers, how about jackpot? Huh Vegas jackpot? Yeah,
let's do that. He didn't think of that right on
the spot.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, Vegas.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So some of that stuff, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Maybe I'm too picky when it comes to that, but
I do love the spontaneous calls, and I just don't
buy that it was spontaneous to be like last year
was I forget what he said? Last year was something?
This year it's historic something along those lines. I think
that was a premeditated call right there. That's a pre
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meditated call if I've ever heard one. But I don't
want to rain on the on the parade, which I am.
I'm raining on the play by play call. But the
con smythe trophy that is the NHL's very fancy way
of saying the MVP.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
This was the announcement on TNT. Here you go.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
It's only fitting that this year it goes to the
leading goal.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Scorer Bennett.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yep, Sam Bennett Studeley throughout the NHL playoffs he wins
the con smythe otherwise known as the MVP. I think
that's easier to understand. But whatever, the NHL plays by
its own rules, it's fine, you know, and Bennett was
deserving for sure. I thought Brad marshand was tremendous in
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the final. He was on the short list. My guy,
Bob SERGEI, Bobrovski. He was awesome throughout the Stanley Cup Final.
The goalie for the Florida Panthers, very hard to score on,
won a handful of bets just playing his saves over.
I think there was only one game in the six
game series where he went under. It was Game five.
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There weren't as many shots on goal, but that dude
was just stopping puck after puck after puck throughout the series.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So shout out to Bob and as.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Far as Edmund goes, what do you know, the musical
goalies thing? Not a great approach, not the greatest of
approaches right there. They've done this throughout the playoffs as well.
It wasn't just the Stanley Cup Final. Edmonton had been
switching between Stuart Skinner and Calvin Pickard, and they got
away with it earlier in the NHL playoffs, but not
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as much in the Stanley Cup Final. The cliffs Notes version,
if you fast forward to the final, Game four wasn't
going very well for Skinner.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He gets yanked. Pickard goes in there and plays great.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
He stops like twenty one of twenty two shots right
around that, actually twenty two of twenty three shots he
stopped off the bench in game four, and so the
Oilers are like, well, the heck with it, Let's roll
with this guy. He's actually stopping shots. Let's go with
Pickard in game five. Game five not as good, not
as good for Pickard. Edmonton lost five to two. So
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Edmonton's like all right heading into Tuesday night Game six,
backs against the Wall, trying to stave off elimination. Right,
let's go back to Skinner let's go back to the
guy who we just revoked all of his confidence from him.
We just stole it like a thief in the night,
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like two games ago. You suck, Let's get you out
of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Now, you know what.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I think there's something about this Skinner guy. You know
last year when we were down three to nothing, we
stuck with Skinner and bye gosh. He was good for
three straight games and we forced the game seven. So
let's go with Skinner and he was not up for
the task. Panthers won five to one, had an empty
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net goal, two empty net goals. But when Skinner gives
up three before all the shenanigans late, it's just not
a great outing. So listen, I'm not mister Hockey by
any but I do know a thing or two about confidence,
and it's I understand the thinking.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
On one hand, where if Skinner stinks in game four
and this is go time, man, we need this game,
and then you make the change Pickard goes in their plays, awesome.
Well it kind of just rights itself where you go
with Pickard the next game and then Pickard isn't any
good and then you go.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Back to Skinner. I get how we got here.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
But the end result is that it's not shocking that
Skinner didn't play great on Tuesday night because you just
benched him a couple of nights ago. So it's not
that shocking to me. I understand how it happened, why
it happened, but that's the aftermath. It's not just I
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think that's the thing. I think it's easier to get
caught up in the game to game anario of a
series instead of looking at the series as a whole.
And you know, the oilers made that change, which in
game four just that game itself made sense, but the
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series as a whole. If you're thinking, man, if we
got to go back to Skinner, I don't know if
this dude is gonna be like, man, I've got all
the confidence in the world right after getting benched like
a game and a half ago, you know, So it
might have affected his performance in Game six, but in
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any event, shout out to the Florida Panthers getting it done.
They are the champs back to back. Man, that's rough.
When you lose in the Stanley Cup Final to the
same team in two straight years, that's that's extra.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Rough right there.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
That is and especially in the sport of hockey. I
would feel like if I was a die hard fan
of a particul the hockey team, I would feel like,
we are right on the freaking doorstep. We are right there,
you know, like a goal here, a goal there, a
save here, save there, we might have won this thing.
I think that makes it even harder to take, especially
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as a player, but as a fan. I mean, you
think the nature of certain sports like basketball. Sometimes these
basketball games we just saw Game five the other night,
Pacers lost by eleven points. You know that a handful
of possessions right there, You're not, Hey, if it just
that one shot, we would have had it. There's a
little bit more to that. I think this the nature
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of the sports has a lot to do with the
heartache as well. And some of these Stanley Cup final
games were just unbelievable off the charts. You know, Game
two was tough for Edmonton, could have taken a two
to nothing lead, they lost in double overtime. And some
of these these games, they a couple of them got
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tied up with like twenty seconds to go, empty nets situations.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It was wild.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I think, all things considered, really good Stanley Cup Final.
I thought the end, like the crescendo, left a lot
to be desired. You know, the deciding game, Game six
on Tuesday night, it's a five to one game. It's
not a close game. That's a tough way to end
the series. I hope that the NBA Finals don't end
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in similar fashion where you want it to be.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Like.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Both game fours were tremendous NHL and NBA. That was
the in the NHL, that was the five to four
Edmondson win. Edmonton was down three to nothing in that game.
They tied it up, they took the lead, then Florida
tied it with twenty seconds to go to force overtime,
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and then Edmonton won the game. It was crazy, an
insane win for them. In the NBA Finals Game four,
that was the road win for okse Either down by
ten points in the fourth quarter, they fight all the
way back, dramatic close to the game going like a
twelve to one run in the final couple minutes, and
they win the game. Game fours in both NBA and
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NHL were off the charts. And that's the crazy twist
I feel with hockey, games don't bleed into each other
as much. Yeah, they seem to be pretty separate a
lot of times. And that Game four masterpiece for the Oilers.
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They fight back from a three to nothing deficit. They're
down three to nothing at the end of the first period.
Down three to nothing is like in football, you're down
like twenty four nothing or something right away. Good luck
coming back from that, and they did. Edmontonton came all
the way back, won this dramatic game in overtime. The
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series is tied up, they're going home, They've got all
the momentum and boom smacked right in the face. Oilers
lose five to two, and then again tonight five one one.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
That's pretty crazy. Think about that too.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
If you're an Edmonton fan after Game four, you're watching that,
you're down three to nothing in the first period, You're like,
this sucks. We're gonna be down three to one in
the series. Here we go again. Not so fast. Edmonton
comes back in epic fashion. They win the game. All right,
we're cooking with grease.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
That was the last game Edmonton won. That's the brutal
nature of sports, right there. Man, That's the way it
goes sometimes in any event. Props to Florida they get
it done. They are the champions as they do it
in back to back fashion.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
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Speaker 4 (12:48):
There was some drama, there was some bad blood in
the WNBA on Tuesday night.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
There you go. You excited for this coop? I like it.
Some enthusiasm. Beautiful.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
So the Indiana Fever they were hosting the Connecticut Son. Now,
you might not care about the WNBA, you might not
care about women's basketball. It's fine, might not be your
cup of tea. I watched it all the freaking time.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I do.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
And I was watching the game. Well, I actually I
flipped over. I was watching the game and the Fever
brore up by so much. I flipped over to the
Liberty game started watching. They were in a They were
in a back and forth with the Atlanta Dream and
Jeff Schwartz, I host with him on Saturdays here on
Fox Sports Radio. He texted me and he was like,
did you see the Sun try to punk Caitlin? And
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I said, no, I missed it. So I flipped over
and saw that a little bit of bad blood in
that game. So the situation here is that Caitlin Clark,
she's being guarded by a Connecticut's Connecticut Son rookie named j. C.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Sheldon.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Okay, so Jce she's doing her job. She's ding up
Caitlyn Clark, and she tries to swipe down on the ball.
She accidentally swipes down on Caitlyn's face. You know, the
face got in the way of swiping down of the ball,
and so she rakes Caitlyn across the face, and Caitlyn
she's holding her face and she kind of stumbles backward
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into J. C. Sheldon, and so Caitlyn's like, get it,
get off me. She kind of pushes j. C. Sheldon,
you know, just not like a full on shove. It's
just like I just got hit in the eye or
the face, and now you're bumping into me, Like, get
off me. So she pushes Jc a little bit. And
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then that's what led to the little brew.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Hah huh.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You had Tina Charles rush over immediately she puts her
face near Caitlyn's puts her finger near Kitlyn's face, and
then Marina Maybray she ran over and she shoved Caitlyn
to the floor.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Ding ding ding.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
We got no holds barred action right here in the WNBA.
So the weird part of this was Tina Charles got
a tech, Marina Maybray got a tech for pushing Caitlin
to the floor, and Caitlin Clark got a technical foul
when she just you know, she got hit in the
face and then she subtly shoved if you can do
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such a thing. J. C.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Sheldon.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So the Indiana Fever, they're ticked off that Caitlin Clark
one got a technical foul and probably two that more
didn't happen to Marina Maybury. Now me, personally, I don't
think Maybury should have gotten tossed. They always talk about
a flagrant two foul where it's wind up, its impact
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and then it's followed through like this was a light
shove by Marina Maybray. I don't think she should have
gotten tossed for that.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That's just me.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
The Indiana Fever clearly disagreed they were ticked off. She
did not get ejected for that. Now you fast forward
to the very end of the game, it's payback time, baby,
So the same player J. C. Sheldon, She's on a
fast break. You're running right down the floor and there's
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Sophie Cunningham. Now you might not know Sophie Cunningham by name,
but she catches headlines a lot of times because she's
a beautiful girl. She's a blond girl, very pretty. Sometimes
you'll see her, I don't know, videos are posted like, hey, list,
look at what she's wearing heading into the WNBA game.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
She was accused of hooking up with the like a
headhun show with the Sun's slash Phoenix Mercury, the last
team she played for. Don't know what's true, but that
was in the news. Maybe you know her from that.
In any event, Sophie Cunningham sees J. C. Sheldon on
a fast break and she like, this is a great
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opportunity for some payback right here. So she grabs her
by the head and basically throws her to the floor.
Then there's pushing and shoving and all that sort of stuff.
So a couple of injections, Stephanie White gets the gate,
a couple of Sun players get ejected as well. So
it was a fun night in the WNBA. So aggressive, yeah,
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very aggressive. So a couple of things stand out one.
It is still wild to me, and I don't I
don't think there's a great comparison. You guys are more
than welcome to throw a comparison my way. Can you
think of a superstar in a league that is targeted
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by other players as much as Caitlin Clark is. I
can't think of another example of a superstar that is
targeted as much, you know, on the court, on the
field of play, whatever sport we're talking about, between the lines, right,
that sort of thing clearly targeted, not just this year,
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even Tuesday night, it's the lightest of shoves by Caitlin Clark.
She just got raked across the face, subtle shove of J. C.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Sheldon.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Immediately, Tina Charles and Marina Maybray.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Are like, I can't believe that p weord just did that.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Shovel to the floor like they are freaking ready to go.
They cannot wait to put Caitlyn on her backside, you know.
And this is a sort of thing that's happened last
year as well, was it Kennedy Carter then of the
Chicago Sky Like there was just a simple inbounds play,
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Caitlyn was about to get the ball, and Kennedy Carter
just ran up and decleted her like it's I don't know,
a slant pattern in the NFL, and she's the defensive
back or something, and Angel Reese jumps.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Up starts clapping like crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Like the animosity toward Caitlin Clark really is next level.
I've been trying to think of something that rivals.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It, and.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
If we're talking about physical play and being targeted that way,
I started to think about Michael Jordan back when we
had the Jordan rules with the Detroit Pistons, and I'm like,
is that even a decent comparison? Does that even equate?
And I don't think it's the same thing. I think
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that Jordan. The Pistons clearly beat the hell out of Jordan,
but a lot of it was within the rules. You know,
Jordan would come down the lane, go up to try
to score, and they would plant him.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Into the floor.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You know, they would like Gronk spike him into the floor.
But it was within the flow of the game. You're
not gonna see on YouTube some video where Jordan was
about to get the inbounds pass and you know, John
Sally just comes over and decletes them. A Lah Kennedy
Carter on Caitlyn Clark like you're not gonna find that,
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and so, yeah, Jordan was targeted by the Pistons, but
it was in a different way.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It wasn't the same way.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
With Caitlin, where there's clearly it goes beyond like that's
the weird thing about these WNBA players. If they just
came right out and said it, I would respect it
a lot more if they just came out and said, yeah,
we just don't like her, don't like her, I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
I hate to say this. It's totally a girl thing.
We're so catty like that, And with Caitlyn Clark being
the exceptional player that she is, Yeah, it's hard not
to do it. You don't, you know, we do it
passive aggressively, right, Well, well we'll pull your hair in
the locker room, but we're not gonna be like, oh,
yeah no, I don't like her.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
No, she I know, she's fine.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
I don't not like her. She's fine.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
That's it annoys me where it's you clearly do they
like her?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
That's with her? They yeah, no, no, one actually likes her.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, And I would have more respect if they just
flat out came out and said.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
It won't do that.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I know they won't, but that's why I don't respect it.
When they're like, oh no, no, no, this is clearly
just about competition, Okay, all right, yes, Like how is
it benefiting you If it's just out of competition. If
you just knock her to the floor before the ball
is inbounded, that's actually hurting your team. If it's all
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about competition, that's a bad thing. It's all sorts of
others stuff. If they just came round and said, look,
I'm over all the tension this girl gets.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It's too much. I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
And yeah, if I got a chance to knock her
to the floor, I'm gonna take it. I would totally
respect that. But to Loraina's point, they're not going to
say that. They're gonna play it off and act like,
oh no, no, there's there's nothing extra on. No, no, no, no,
we're just sticking up for our teammates. No, we were
just you know, it's competition, it's in the flow of
the game.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's BS. It's total BS frustration.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
It's wanding their whole lives for the WNBA to matter,
and then it finally does. But it's only because of
Caitlyn and Clark, and that's all anybody actually cares about.
And then when they see stories that, oh, Caitlyn Clark
miss five games and nobody watched the WNBA for those
five games, you know, or for those five days or
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whatever it was, then you know they're just they feel invalidated,
and some they take their aggression out on her because
she's so much better than all of them.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
You're totally right, Coop.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
You laid it out where that's a lot of the
frustration is like and Angel Reese said this last year,
she was like, they watched for me too, right, Like
they're not just watching for one player. I wonder who
that one player was. She's probably talking about Djona Carrington.
Now I'm just kidding, of course, she's talking about Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
She came right out and said, you know, y'all watch
for me too, like they want to have.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
The limelight as well. And yeah, you're right, Coop.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
There is so much animosity where now the league is
finally getting better ratings and better ticket sales and it's
getting some relevancy, and they're like, we've been grinding for years, decades,
and now we're finally starting to get some limelight, and
they don't like accepting that it's largely because of Caitlin
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Clark and a lot of people have a problem with
that being the way it played out, as if it's
Caitlin's fault, Caitlin's That's the funny thing, too, is for
all this drama that surrounds Caitlin, she's the least dramatic
person ever. She could easily make all this stuff way
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more drama and.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
That makes them that probably infuriates them.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Absolutely, you're right about that. Look at Coop just on
point tonight, right, No, that's that's absolutely true. If you
are upset and you know you're trying to bring someone
down with you and they're just not taking the bait,
that is annoying.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That is very annoying.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And yeah, I think there's an element to that as well.
But for all this drama that Caitlyn is connected to,
she's always downplayed it. She's always lessened the drama instead
of you know, when she's decleted by Kennedy Carter last year,
she could have easily been like, yeah, it was a
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cheap shot. I don't know what that was about, and
just statement after statement after statement, Yeah, a bunch of
clowns on that team or whatever. She's just creating more
and more drama. She's just like, you know, hey, yeah
it happened.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You know, we move on. That's it.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
She even said it on Tuesday night. There were questions
about Sophie Cunningham. Fair questions. It's my guy, James Boyd
in the Indianapolis area, totally fair questions. But Kaitlyn just
wants to talk about hoops. Is a little portion of
how it played out?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Fowl, You think it's like defending Caitlyn or defending the team,
or how do you view just how it opened? I
do it as a flager, Fowl.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
That's about the game too.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, well, I mean you guys came to basketball.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, what do you think of just how you all
were able to pull in a second half? Caitlyn in
particularly the Commissioner Cup Championship.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
That's guy.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You all want to talk about that. Let's talk about that, right.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So it's like she's not interested in extending the drama,
if you will. She just wants to play basketball and
focus on hoops. She is the most like, can we
just make it about basketball?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Can we just do that?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And Uh man, there's this drama just surrounds It just
keeps following her around.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It is wild.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
But can you come up with an example, Coop or Lorena?
Can you think of any athlete in any sport, in
any league where the league targets that star athlete the
way the WNBA targets Caitlin or is clearly bent about
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the attention and the accolades, the props that she gets.
I can't think of anything even remotely close to this.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
No, not really, but I do have a comparison for you,
and I guess they didn't really get that same kind
of treatment, But I wonder if it's gonna be the
same as far as the impact. I'm wondering how close
she is to like Ronda Rousey for example. Right, So
she came in was so dominant, like better than everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Else against tomato cans. But yes, go ahead, yes, but
that's because.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Wow, I'm having a flashback to like ago or whatever
it was. Uh No, But I mean it's because it
was still kind of like in its infancy, you know,
or like the popularity of of women's MMA fighting, you know,
was in its infancy, and then she came along was
a superstar, And I feel like it kind of like
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even after she's gone, it drove up the popularity of
women's MMA. You still you see you know, you know,
them making the the you know, the main card or
the main event all the time. And I wonder if
she's gonna have that same effect, you know, after after
she's done in the w NBA, will that have Does
you know she inspiring lots of you know, girls that
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wouldn't have played basketball before, and it's going to keep
the w NBA up or is or is you know,
once she's gone or once she's washed up, is it
just going to go back to iran?
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, Yeah, I hear what you're saying right there. It's
a little bit like.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Like that accidental we're going straight.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's not the one. I mean, it's a little like
what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It makes me think of the Steph Curry effect right
where stuff comes along.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
He's this brilliant talent.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
He's inspiring a lot of young basketball players to play
the game or to try to play the game similar
to him, Like that, we're not trying to practice layups,
We're trying to practice logo threes.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
You're only nine years old. Who cares like we want
to do this.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
It's different because the NBA has been relevant for a
long time. But I hear your point. You took it
in a bit of a different direction, which is fine.
I just think with the rousy thing and I hear
your comparison. I get it from that standpoint. Yeah, it
makes me wonder well, I.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Don't remember did other female MMA fighters back in those days?
Did they all hate her?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Right, no, not like not like Caitlin.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
You didn't have comments of like, yeah, this sport has
been relevant for a long time. It's not just relevant
now because one player, you know, they never got that caddy.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Not to the same degree.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
It gives me a Drake and Kendrick vibes.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, like no one needs to see it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, okay, yeah, Well, feel free to hit us up
if you've got a comparison. I'm just thinking of the
way the WNBA just relishes, you know, like dropping the
people's elbow on Caitlin Clark if you will, during games,
and some of the comments that they've made that they're
clearly bent about the props and attention that this girl gets.
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Is there a superstar in any sport, in any league
that's even remotely comparable to that.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I really can't think of what.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I think Coop came up with a pretty good example
with Ronda Rousey, even though I don't think it was
nearly as Caddy in UFC when she was doing her thing.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
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Speaker 4 (30:04):
Okay, So, Henry Ruggs the Third is in the news again.
He was at an event on Tuesday night. It's a
special release from prison. He was on special release from prison,
and so on Tuesday night he spoke at a Hope
for Prisoners event in Las Vegas, and at that event
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he apologized to the family of a woman he killed
in a car crash that was nearly four years ago.
And here to help us talk about that, Brian Horwath
from The Vegas Journal Vegas Review Journal joins us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Brian, you are at this event
on Tuesday night. First off, welcome man. How would you
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describe what that event was like with Henry Ruggs the
Third there.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Well, it was interesting. I mean, he really hasn't spoken
out at all since since really his sentencing. A few
years ago, so it was interesting. He was contrite, he
was apologetic to the family of Tina Tintor, who of
course died in that fiery crash back in November of
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twenty twenty one. And you know, he also said he
said a couple of things that were pretty interesting, including
that he would like to play football again and even
possibly for the Raiders. I don't know if that's ever
going to be a realistic possibility, but he's certainly thinking
about trying to get in the NFL again once he
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gets out. He'll be eligible for parole in August of
next year, so that's the soonest that he would he
would get out.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Interesting, And I was thinking about this, Brian, with the
possibility of Henry Ruggs being released and wanting to play
football again. Is there anything I had to put you
on the spot. Is there anything comparable an l history
where someone did time, came back and played again.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Can you think of anything off the top of your head?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Well, yeah, we were talking about this earlier. Was it
in the early two thousands or the late nineties. If
you remember, there's a player I think his name was
Leonard Little I played with the Saint Louis ram and
I think he was the same kind of situation. He
was in a dy crashing, drinking and driving. Somebody died
in that crash. I want to say he did come
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back and play after that, but but certainly, I mean,
this would be if not unprecedented, and it's certainly very rare.
But you know, just looking at I mean, we're in
the room with Henry tonight in Las Vegas and basically
in this conference room, and boy, he looks good, he
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looks healthy, he looks basically ripped. I mean, you got
to remember, this guy is only twenty six years old.
So look, if a team wanted to give him a chance,
I mean, I don't know, there's a lot of baggage there,
but he certainly had a lot of talents. I mean,
in twenty twenty one, I think he played seven or
eight games before that crash happened, and he had something
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like around five hundred receiving yards a couple touchdowns. I mean,
he was kind of starting to come on. He was
a legitimate deep threat. So I don't know, I guess
we've probably seen stranger things happen, but it'll be interesting
to see what happens for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
What do you think.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
And Brian Horwath is our guest here from the Vegas
Review Journal joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, was
at this event on Tuesday night in Vegas. Henry Ruggs,
former Raiders wide receiver, speaking at a Hope for Prisoners
event and apologized to the family of the woman that
he killed in a car crash.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What do you.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Think the percentage chance might be if you had to
take a guess of an NFL team who is looking
at this situation, knowing what happened, knowing the pr ramifications,
should they give Henry Ruggs a chance? What do you
think that like the realistic possibility is that he plays
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in the NFL again.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I just don't know, you know, honestly, Brian. I mean,
it's hard for me to believe that a team would
want to take on that baggage. But then you look
at you know, this is a young guy. He was
kind of starting to come into his own. He's one
of those one of those receivers. He's a deep threat.
(34:32):
I means he at least was. We don't know what
he is now, but he was a very fast receiver
who's able to kind of take the top off of
the defense. You know, that's a coveted thing in the NFL,
as you know, so who knows. It does seem like
there's a lot of baggage. You know, he was out drinking.
He ends up driving his Corvette with his then girlfriend,
(34:55):
I think it's his fiance, you know, almost one hundred
and fifty miles an hour on a red cidential street
here in Las Vegas and ends up killing a woman.
That's that's a lot of baggage. But you know, on
the other hand, I mean, this is America, and you know,
if you serve your time, I mean, Michael Vick served
this time, was able to come back. I realize that's
(35:16):
a different situation. That's apples and argues, but you know,
who knows who knows. But it was certainly interesting to see.
I think the exact quote from Henry today was, hey,
look when I get out, you know whatever that is,
he hopes it's next year, next August. He said, look,
I'll be ready, so it'll definitely be very interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, I would imagine that's that's a tough thing to balance,
right where you want to have dreams and goals and
look forward to your future. I mean, that is understandable
but at the same time, when on one hand, you're
still apologizing.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
For this horrible, horrible.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Mistake that you made, and then in your next breath
you're talking about your future, that's a really tough thing
to balance.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Yeah, I mean, and certainly. I mean, you know, when
Henry was talking tonight, he was basically in a room
full of the ex offenders who are kind of trying
to come back and be productive members of society. He
was also live stream, so there's some some folks in
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prisons across Nevada who were also watching, and you know,
it was kind of interesting. A couple of those folks said, look, Henry,
you know, you're an inspiration to us, and you know,
and he was. He was kind of inspiring to listen to.
You know, he said he's learned a lot. He was young,
he wasn't happy, he was away from home. I mean,
(36:48):
he said, he kind of escaped into that world of
essentially of drinking. Obviously made a horrible mistake, but again,
you know, we're talking about a guy who's twenty six.
And he said, and look, I want to come back
and make something out of myself again. So there was
a lot of emotion in that room. Today.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah, I can imagine. So you know what's crazy is
I feel so stupid right now, Brian, because yeah, of
course I went back and looked at Henry Ruggs and
his numbers, right, just looked at his stats, and his
rookie season, he had what twenty six catches for about
four hundred and fifty yards, and then his second season,
in seven games, did twenty four catches for a little
(37:30):
bit better, about four hundred and fifty yards. And I'm
looking at twenty twenty one and I'm like, huh, maybe
he got hurt, maybe a hamstring or something. I totally
it's like, duh, that's when the crash happened, Like you
just said, a little while ago, that was during the
twenty one season, and the next thing, you know, the
Raiders released him and then he's, you know, on his
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way to being sentenced.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
It took a little while.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
He pleaded guilty in May of twenty three and was
sentenced in August of twenty three, and it was a
three to ten year prison sentence, and like you said,
he's eligible for parole next August, right, wow.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Yeah, And you know, there were certainly some folks who
raised an eyebrow at you know, hey, this this person,
potentially he's responsible for taking someone else's life and he
gets potentially only three years that you know, a lot
of things go into that. He you know, he didn't
have prior offenses or anything like that. You know, he
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was also able to afford David Chesnoff, who's you know,
a high price lawyer here in Las Vegas, and that
certainly didn't hurt his cause either. But but hey, look,
I mean tonight, if for just just for the event,
and I know that there's a family that's that's hurting
and they're gonna be hurting forever, that's never going to
go away. You know, he said all the right things tonight,
(38:51):
So I don't know, we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Has there been any word from the victims family, Have
they said anything about how they feel right now about
the whole situation, or are they're just you know, kind
of living life on their own without making any statements
like that.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Well, it's funny. I was actually texting back and forth
with the victim's uncle, who has spoke out in the
past last few years a little bit, and you know,
he had no idea that Henry wouldn't be speaking at
this event. We didn't know this was going on. Henry
himself said that he was just asked to do this
(39:31):
on Saturday, so he just basically just decided that the
time was right. He wanted to talk a little bit
about his experience. So and Tina Tintor's uncle just said,
he told me in a text message, look, there's there's
so much that goes into He was actually at work
tonight and he said, look, I don't want to, you know,
(39:53):
make one or two comments tonight. Let's let's talk later.
Obviously a lot there was a lot of emotion that
went into that whole thing, A lot of emotion for
that family. So you know that's something obviously that's that's
not going to go away. Ever.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, no doubt. I totally hear you on that.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
It's it becomes so complicated so fast, you know, because
I think about it. I have two nephews who I
absolutely adore, and they're around the same age when Tina
was killed, right, And so if I put myself in
that position, like you're texting back and forth with the uncle,
me as an uncle, if one of my nephews died
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the same way, I would.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Have a huge problem with that.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
But at the same time, it's not like I want
to make I don't want to text you something and
that could impact that person's life going forward. It becomes
really complicated really fast.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I don't blame them for that,
you know, I can say that certainly the family did,
you know, wonder if maybe that was a little bit
light of a sentence. And I think anyone could probably
understand if you're in their shoes as well. So it's
a difficult situation. You know, there were never any winners
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in this. You know, Henry his family had to go
through all this, and of course Tina Tintor's family, So
it was just really a really tragic, tragic situation.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Absolutely, well, hey, Brian, I appreciate you taking a couple
of minutes. Man, Thanks for your time here in the
early morning, and I hope you have a good day.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
We'll catch you down the road.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Absolutely there.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
He is Brian Horwath from the Vegas Reviewed Journal. He
was at that event former Raiders wide receiver Henry Ruggs.
He was on special release from prison. On Tuesday night,
he spoke at a Hope for prisoners event in Las Vegas,
and he apologized to the family of a woman he
killed in a car crash that was nearly four years ago.
Thanks for listening to the best of the Ben Mahler
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is the best of the Ben Maler Show on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
We started off with some champions over here.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Huh. We crowned a champ on Tuesday night as the
Florida Panthers win back to back Stanley Cupps over the
Edmonton Oilers and basically the entire country of Canada.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I think is what happened.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Right there is Canada trying to win a Stanley Cup
for the first time since ninety three. Did not happen
yet again and Florida goes back to back.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
This is actually the final call.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You gotta love the final call of a Stanley Cup
series clinching.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Win unless you root for the other team. Of course.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
This is on the Panthers Radio network. Check this out
down to the final five seconds.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Rats, rain down Lort, Stanley's stay in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Last year was greatness.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
This time it's historic.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
The Florida Panthers hurt back to back Stanley Cup champions. Okay,
now I have lots to say about this. First off,
props to Rats rain Down. I love that. That's the
whole thing with the Florida Panthers. They throw rats, not
real rats, but just like fake rats on the ice.
There was a hat trick for Sam reyan Hart and
(01:46):
they actually scored four goals in the game, tied an
NHL record for the most goals in a Stanley Cup
final game. But they throw these fake rats on the
ice to get a hat trick, and so I love that.
Like at the end, you know they're about to win
the Cup and all the fake rats are being thrown
on the ice. Now that was that was spontaneous. That
was impromptu right there, Rats rained Down. It's a good
(02:07):
drop right there.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
But the end.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Not a fan of the end. I swear these broadcasters
and listen, I'm guilty of it too. It's you almost
have to guard against it because it does help on
one hand, you know, like if you're doing sports radio
play by play, it does help a little bit to
write a few ideas down. But I feel like in
(02:31):
play by play especially, you can tell when it's just
so preorchestrated and you're like, that's just not spontaneous. It
doesn't feel like you're just in the moment when you
say something where it's like you didn't just come up
with that, clearly you thought about it. Like Jim Nantz
is doing the Super Bowl in Vegas and he's like,
(02:53):
all right, all right, I gotta think of something here,
regardless of who wins, if it's the Chiefs or it's
the forty nine ers, how about jackpot? Huh Vegas jackpot? Yeah,
let's do that. He didn't think of that right on
the spot.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, Vegas.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So some of that stuff, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Maybe I'm too picky when it comes to that, but
I do love the spontaneous calls, and I just don't
buy that it was spontaneous to be like last year
was I forget what he said? Last year was something?
This year it's historic something along those lines. I think
that was a premeditated call right there. That's a pre
(03:33):
meditated call if I've ever heard one. But I don't
want to rain on the on the parade, which I am.
I'm raining on the play by play call. But the
con smythe trophy that is the NHL's very fancy way
of saying the MVP.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
This was the announcement on TNT. Here you go.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
It's only fitting that this year it goes to the
leading goal.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Scorer Bennett.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yep, Sam Bennett Studeley throughout the NHL playoffs he wins
the con smythe otherwise known as the MVP. I think
that's easier to understand. But whatever, the NHL plays by
its own rules, it's fine, you know, and Bennett was
deserving for sure. I thought Brad marshand was tremendous in
(04:28):
the final. He was on the short list. My guy,
Bob SERGEI, Bobrovski. He was awesome throughout the Stanley Cup Final.
The goalie for the Florida Panthers, very hard to score on,
won a handful of bets just playing his saves over.
I think there was only one game in the six
game series where he went under. It was Game five.
(04:50):
There weren't as many shots on goal, but that dude
was just stopping puck after puck after puck throughout the series.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So shout out to Bob and as.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Far as Edmund goes, what do you know, the musical
goalies thing? Not a great approach, not the greatest of
approaches right there. They've done this throughout the playoffs as well.
It wasn't just the Stanley Cup Final. Edmonton had been
switching between Stuart Skinner and Calvin Pickard, and they got
away with it earlier in the NHL playoffs, but not
(05:20):
as much in the Stanley Cup Final. The cliffs Notes version,
if you fast forward to the final, Game four wasn't
going very well for Skinner.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He gets yanked. Pickard goes in there and plays great.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
He stops like twenty one of twenty two shots right
around that, actually twenty two of twenty three shots he
stopped off the bench in game four, and so the
Oilers are like, well, the heck with it, Let's roll
with this guy. He's actually stopping shots. Let's go with
Pickard in game five. Game five not as good, not
as good for Pickard. Edmonton lost five to two. So
(06:00):
Edmonton's like all right heading into Tuesday night Game six,
backs against the Wall, trying to stave off elimination. Right,
let's go back to Skinner let's go back to the
guy who we just revoked all of his confidence from him.
We just stole it like a thief in the night,
(06:21):
like two games ago. You suck, Let's get you out
of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Now, you know what.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I think there's something about this Skinner guy. You know
last year when we were down three to nothing, we
stuck with Skinner and bye gosh. He was good for
three straight games and we forced the game seven. So
let's go with Skinner and he was not up for
the task. Panthers won five to one, had an empty
(06:47):
net goal, two empty net goals. But when Skinner gives
up three before all the shenanigans late, it's just not
a great outing. So listen, I'm not mister Hockey by
any but I do know a thing or two about confidence,
and it's I understand the thinking.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
On one hand, where if Skinner stinks in game four
and this is go time, man, we need this game,
and then you make the change Pickard goes in their plays, awesome.
Well it kind of just rights itself where you go
with Pickard the next game and then Pickard isn't any
good and then you go.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Back to Skinner. I get how we got here.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
But the end result is that it's not shocking that
Skinner didn't play great on Tuesday night because you just
benched him a couple of nights ago. So it's not
that shocking to me. I understand how it happened, why
it happened, but that's the aftermath. It's not just I
(07:53):
think that's the thing. I think it's easier to get
caught up in the game to game anario of a
series instead of looking at the series as a whole.
And you know, the oilers made that change, which in
game four just that game itself made sense, but the
(08:14):
series as a whole. If you're thinking, man, if we
got to go back to Skinner, I don't know if
this dude is gonna be like, man, I've got all
the confidence in the world right after getting benched like
a game and a half ago, you know, So it
might have affected his performance in Game six, but in
(08:36):
any event, shout out to the Florida Panthers getting it done.
They are the champs back to back. Man, that's rough.
When you lose in the Stanley Cup Final to the
same team in two straight years, that's that's extra.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Rough right there.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
That is and especially in the sport of hockey. I
would feel like if I was a die hard fan
of a particul the hockey team, I would feel like,
we are right on the freaking doorstep. We are right there,
you know, like a goal here, a goal there, a
save here, save there, we might have won this thing.
I think that makes it even harder to take, especially
(09:14):
as a player, but as a fan. I mean, you
think the nature of certain sports like basketball. Sometimes these
basketball games we just saw Game five the other night,
Pacers lost by eleven points. You know that a handful
of possessions right there, You're not, Hey, if it just
that one shot, we would have had it. There's a
little bit more to that. I think this the nature
(09:36):
of the sports has a lot to do with the
heartache as well. And some of these Stanley Cup final
games were just unbelievable off the charts. You know, Game
two was tough for Edmonton, could have taken a two
to nothing lead, they lost in double overtime. And some
of these these games, they a couple of them got
(09:57):
tied up with like twenty seconds to go, empty nets situations.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It was wild.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I think, all things considered, really good Stanley Cup Final.
I thought the end, like the crescendo, left a lot
to be desired. You know, the deciding game, Game six
on Tuesday night, it's a five to one game. It's
not a close game. That's a tough way to end
the series. I hope that the NBA Finals don't end
(10:23):
in similar fashion where you want it to be.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Like.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Both game fours were tremendous NHL and NBA. That was
the in the NHL, that was the five to four
Edmondson win. Edmonton was down three to nothing in that game.
They tied it up, they took the lead, then Florida
tied it with twenty seconds to go to force overtime,
(10:47):
and then Edmonton won the game. It was crazy, an
insane win for them. In the NBA Finals Game four,
that was the road win for okse Either down by
ten points in the fourth quarter, they fight all the
way back, dramatic close to the game going like a
twelve to one run in the final couple minutes, and
they win the game. Game fours in both NBA and
(11:08):
NHL were off the charts. And that's the crazy twist
I feel with hockey, games don't bleed into each other
as much. Yeah, they seem to be pretty separate a
lot of times. And that Game four masterpiece for the Oilers.
(11:29):
They fight back from a three to nothing deficit. They're
down three to nothing at the end of the first period.
Down three to nothing is like in football, you're down
like twenty four nothing or something right away. Good luck
coming back from that, and they did. Edmontonton came all
the way back, won this dramatic game in overtime. The
(11:50):
series is tied up, they're going home, They've got all
the momentum and boom smacked right in the face. Oilers
lose five to two, and then again tonight five one one.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
That's pretty crazy. Think about that too.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
If you're an Edmonton fan after Game four, you're watching that,
you're down three to nothing in the first period, You're like,
this sucks. We're gonna be down three to one in
the series. Here we go again. Not so fast. Edmonton
comes back in epic fashion. They win the game. All right,
we're cooking with grease.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
That was the last game Edmonton won. That's the brutal
nature of sports, right there. Man, That's the way it
goes sometimes in any event. Props to Florida they get
it done. They are the champions as they do it
in back to back fashion.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
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Ben Meler Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm
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Speaker 4 (12:48):
There was some drama, there was some bad blood in
the WNBA on Tuesday night.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
There you go. You excited for this coop? I like it.
Some enthusiasm. Beautiful.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
So the Indiana Fever they were hosting the Connecticut Son. Now,
you might not care about the WNBA, you might not
care about women's basketball. It's fine, might not be your
cup of tea. I watched it all the freaking time.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I do.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
And I was watching the game. Well, I actually I
flipped over. I was watching the game and the Fever
brore up by so much. I flipped over to the
Liberty game started watching. They were in a They were
in a back and forth with the Atlanta Dream and
Jeff Schwartz, I host with him on Saturdays here on
Fox Sports Radio. He texted me and he was like,
did you see the Sun try to punk Caitlin? And
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I said, no, I missed it. So I flipped over
and saw that a little bit of bad blood in
that game. So the situation here is that Caitlin Clark,
she's being guarded by a Connecticut's Connecticut Son rookie named j. C.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Sheldon.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Okay, so Jce she's doing her job. She's ding up
Caitlyn Clark, and she tries to swipe down on the ball.
She accidentally swipes down on Caitlyn's face. You know, the
face got in the way of swiping down of the ball,
and so she rakes Caitlyn across the face, and Caitlyn
she's holding her face and she kind of stumbles backward
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into J. C. Sheldon, and so Caitlyn's like, get it,
get off me. She kind of pushes j. C. Sheldon,
you know, just not like a full on shove. It's
just like I just got hit in the eye or
the face, and now you're bumping into me, Like, get
off me. So she pushes Jc a little bit. And
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then that's what led to the little brew.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Hah huh.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You had Tina Charles rush over immediately she puts her
face near Caitlyn's puts her finger near Kitlyn's face, and
then Marina Maybray she ran over and she shoved Caitlyn
to the floor.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Ding ding ding.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
We got no holds barred action right here in the WNBA.
So the weird part of this was Tina Charles got
a tech, Marina Maybray got a tech for pushing Caitlin
to the floor, and Caitlin Clark got a technical foul
when she just you know, she got hit in the
face and then she subtly shoved if you can do
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such a thing. J. C.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Sheldon.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So the Indiana Fever, they're ticked off that Caitlin Clark
one got a technical foul and probably two that more
didn't happen to Marina Maybury. Now me, personally, I don't
think Maybury should have gotten tossed. They always talk about
a flagrant two foul where it's wind up, its impact
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and then it's followed through like this was a light
shove by Marina Maybray. I don't think she should have
gotten tossed for that.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That's just me.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
The Indiana Fever clearly disagreed they were ticked off. She
did not get ejected for that. Now you fast forward
to the very end of the game, it's payback time, baby,
So the same player J. C. Sheldon, She's on a
fast break. You're running right down the floor and there's
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Sophie Cunningham. Now you might not know Sophie Cunningham by name,
but she catches headlines a lot of times because she's
a beautiful girl. She's a blond girl, very pretty. Sometimes
you'll see her, I don't know, videos are posted like, hey, list,
look at what she's wearing heading into the WNBA game.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
She was accused of hooking up with the like a
headhun show with the Sun's slash Phoenix Mercury, the last
team she played for. Don't know what's true, but that
was in the news. Maybe you know her from that.
In any event, Sophie Cunningham sees J. C. Sheldon on
a fast break and she like, this is a great
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opportunity for some payback right here. So she grabs her
by the head and basically throws her to the floor.
Then there's pushing and shoving and all that sort of stuff.
So a couple of injections, Stephanie White gets the gate,
a couple of Sun players get ejected as well. So
it was a fun night in the WNBA. So aggressive, yeah,
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very aggressive. So a couple of things stand out one.
It is still wild to me, and I don't I
don't think there's a great comparison. You guys are more
than welcome to throw a comparison my way. Can you
think of a superstar in a league that is targeted
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by other players as much as Caitlin Clark is. I
can't think of another example of a superstar that is
targeted as much, you know, on the court, on the
field of play, whatever sport we're talking about, between the lines, right,
that sort of thing clearly targeted, not just this year,
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even Tuesday night, it's the lightest of shoves by Caitlin Clark.
She just got raked across the face, subtle shove of J. C.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Sheldon.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Immediately, Tina Charles and Marina Maybray.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Are like, I can't believe that p weord just did that.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Shovel to the floor like they are freaking ready to go.
They cannot wait to put Caitlyn on her backside, you know.
And this is a sort of thing that's happened last
year as well, was it Kennedy Carter then of the
Chicago Sky Like there was just a simple inbounds play,
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Caitlyn was about to get the ball, and Kennedy Carter
just ran up and decleted her like it's I don't know,
a slant pattern in the NFL, and she's the defensive
back or something, and Angel Reese jumps.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Up starts clapping like crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Like the animosity toward Caitlin Clark really is next level.
I've been trying to think of something that rivals.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It, and.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
If we're talking about physical play and being targeted that way,
I started to think about Michael Jordan back when we
had the Jordan rules with the Detroit Pistons, and I'm like,
is that even a decent comparison? Does that even equate?
And I don't think it's the same thing. I think
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that Jordan. The Pistons clearly beat the hell out of Jordan,
but a lot of it was within the rules. You know,
Jordan would come down the lane, go up to try
to score, and they would plant him.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Into the floor.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You know, they would like Gronk spike him into the floor.
But it was within the flow of the game. You're
not gonna see on YouTube some video where Jordan was
about to get the inbounds pass and you know, John
Sally just comes over and decletes them. A Lah Kennedy
Carter on Caitlyn Clark like you're not gonna find that,
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and so, yeah, Jordan was targeted by the Pistons, but
it was in a different way.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It wasn't the same way.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
With Caitlin, where there's clearly it goes beyond like that's
the weird thing about these WNBA players. If they just
came right out and said it, I would respect it
a lot more if they just came out and said, yeah,
we just don't like her, don't like her, I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
I hate to say this. It's totally a girl thing.
We're so catty like that, And with Caitlyn Clark being
the exceptional player that she is, Yeah, it's hard not
to do it. You don't, you know, we do it
passive aggressively, right, Well, well we'll pull your hair in
the locker room, but we're not gonna be like, oh,
yeah no, I don't like her.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
No, she I know, she's fine.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
I don't not like her. She's fine.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
That's it annoys me where it's you clearly do they
like her?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
That's with her? They yeah, no, no, one actually likes her.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, And I would have more respect if they just
flat out came out and said.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
It won't do that.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I know they won't, but that's why I don't respect it.
When they're like, oh no, no, no, this is clearly
just about competition, Okay, all right, yes, Like how is
it benefiting you If it's just out of competition. If
you just knock her to the floor before the ball
is inbounded, that's actually hurting your team. If it's all
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about competition, that's a bad thing. It's all sorts of
others stuff. If they just came round and said, look,
I'm over all the tension this girl gets.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It's too much. I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
And yeah, if I got a chance to knock her
to the floor, I'm gonna take it. I would totally
respect that. But to Loraina's point, they're not going to
say that. They're gonna play it off and act like,
oh no, no, there's there's nothing extra on. No, no, no, no,
we're just sticking up for our teammates. No, we were
just you know, it's competition, it's in the flow of
the game.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's BS. It's total BS frustration.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
It's wanding their whole lives for the WNBA to matter,
and then it finally does. But it's only because of
Caitlyn and Clark, and that's all anybody actually cares about.
And then when they see stories that, oh, Caitlyn Clark
miss five games and nobody watched the WNBA for those
five games, you know, or for those five days or
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whatever it was, then you know they're just they feel invalidated,
and some they take their aggression out on her because
she's so much better than all of them.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
You're totally right, Coop.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
You laid it out where that's a lot of the
frustration is like and Angel Reese said this last year,
she was like, they watched for me too, right, Like
they're not just watching for one player. I wonder who
that one player was. She's probably talking about Djona Carrington.
Now I'm just kidding, of course, she's talking about Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
She came right out and said, you know, y'all watch
for me too, like they want to have.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
The limelight as well. And yeah, you're right, Coop.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
There is so much animosity where now the league is
finally getting better ratings and better ticket sales and it's
getting some relevancy, and they're like, we've been grinding for years, decades,
and now we're finally starting to get some limelight, and
they don't like accepting that it's largely because of Caitlin
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Clark and a lot of people have a problem with
that being the way it played out, as if it's
Caitlin's fault, Caitlin's That's the funny thing, too, is for
all this drama that surrounds Caitlin, she's the least dramatic
person ever. She could easily make all this stuff way
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more drama and.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
That makes them that probably infuriates them.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Absolutely, you're right about that. Look at Coop just on
point tonight, right, No, that's that's absolutely true. If you
are upset and you know you're trying to bring someone
down with you and they're just not taking the bait,
that is annoying.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That is very annoying.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And yeah, I think there's an element to that as well.
But for all this drama that Caitlyn is connected to,
she's always downplayed it. She's always lessened the drama instead
of you know, when she's decleted by Kennedy Carter last year,
she could have easily been like, yeah, it was a
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cheap shot. I don't know what that was about, and
just statement after statement after statement, Yeah, a bunch of
clowns on that team or whatever. She's just creating more
and more drama. She's just like, you know, hey, yeah
it happened.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You know, we move on. That's it.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
She even said it on Tuesday night. There were questions
about Sophie Cunningham. Fair questions. It's my guy, James Boyd
in the Indianapolis area, totally fair questions. But Kaitlyn just
wants to talk about hoops. Is a little portion of
how it played out?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Fowl, You think it's like defending Caitlyn or defending the team,
or how do you view just how it opened? I
do it as a flager, Fowl.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
That's about the game too.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, well, I mean you guys came to basketball.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, what do you think of just how you all
were able to pull in a second half? Caitlyn in
particularly the Commissioner Cup Championship.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
That's guy.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You all want to talk about that. Let's talk about that, right.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So it's like she's not interested in extending the drama,
if you will. She just wants to play basketball and
focus on hoops. She is the most like, can we
just make it about basketball?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Can we just do that?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And Uh man, there's this drama just surrounds It just
keeps following her around.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It is wild.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
But can you come up with an example, Coop or Lorena?
Can you think of any athlete in any sport, in
any league where the league targets that star athlete the
way the WNBA targets Caitlin or is clearly bent about
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the attention and the accolades, the props that she gets.
I can't think of anything even remotely close to this.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
No, not really, but I do have a comparison for you,
and I guess they didn't really get that same kind
of treatment, But I wonder if it's gonna be the
same as far as the impact. I'm wondering how close
she is to like Ronda Rousey for example. Right, So
she came in was so dominant, like better than everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Else against tomato cans. But yes, go ahead, yes, but
that's because.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Wow, I'm having a flashback to like ago or whatever
it was. Uh No, But I mean it's because it
was still kind of like in its infancy, you know,
or like the popularity of of women's MMA fighting, you know,
was in its infancy, and then she came along was
a superstar, And I feel like it kind of like
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even after she's gone, it drove up the popularity of
women's MMA. You still you see you know, you know,
them making the the you know, the main card or
the main event all the time. And I wonder if
she's gonna have that same effect, you know, after after
she's done in the w NBA, will that have Does
you know she inspiring lots of you know, girls that
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wouldn't have played basketball before, and it's going to keep
the w NBA up or is or is you know,
once she's gone or once she's washed up, is it
just going to go back to iran?
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, Yeah, I hear what you're saying right there. It's
a little bit like.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Like that accidental we're going straight.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's not the one. I mean, it's a little like
what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It makes me think of the Steph Curry effect right
where stuff comes along.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
He's this brilliant talent.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
He's inspiring a lot of young basketball players to play
the game or to try to play the game similar
to him, Like that, we're not trying to practice layups,
We're trying to practice logo threes.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
You're only nine years old. Who cares like we want
to do this.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
It's different because the NBA has been relevant for a
long time. But I hear your point. You took it
in a bit of a different direction, which is fine.
I just think with the rousy thing and I hear
your comparison. I get it from that standpoint. Yeah, it
makes me wonder well, I.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Don't remember did other female MMA fighters back in those days?
Did they all hate her?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Right, no, not like not like Caitlin.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
You didn't have comments of like, yeah, this sport has
been relevant for a long time. It's not just relevant
now because one player, you know, they never got that caddy.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Not to the same degree.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
It gives me a Drake and Kendrick vibes.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, like no one needs to see it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, okay, yeah, Well, feel free to hit us up
if you've got a comparison. I'm just thinking of the
way the WNBA just relishes, you know, like dropping the
people's elbow on Caitlin Clark if you will, during games,
and some of the comments that they've made that they're
clearly bent about the props and attention that this girl gets.
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Is there a superstar in any sport, in any league
that's even remotely comparable to that.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I really can't think of what.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I think Coop came up with a pretty good example
with Ronda Rousey, even though I don't think it was
nearly as Caddy in UFC when she was doing her thing.
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Speaker 4 (30:04):
Okay, So, Henry Ruggs the Third is in the news again.
He was at an event on Tuesday night. It's a
special release from prison. He was on special release from prison,
and so on Tuesday night he spoke at a Hope
for Prisoners event in Las Vegas, and at that event
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he apologized to the family of a woman he killed
in a car crash that was nearly four years ago.
And here to help us talk about that, Brian Horwath
from The Vegas Journal Vegas Review Journal joins us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Brian, you are at this event
on Tuesday night. First off, welcome man. How would you
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describe what that event was like with Henry Ruggs the
Third there.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Well, it was interesting. I mean, he really hasn't spoken
out at all since since really his sentencing. A few
years ago, so it was interesting. He was contrite, he
was apologetic to the family of Tina Tintor, who of
course died in that fiery crash back in November of
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twenty twenty one. And you know, he also said he
said a couple of things that were pretty interesting, including
that he would like to play football again and even
possibly for the Raiders. I don't know if that's ever
going to be a realistic possibility, but he's certainly thinking
about trying to get in the NFL again once he
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gets out. He'll be eligible for parole in August of
next year, so that's the soonest that he would he
would get out.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Interesting, And I was thinking about this, Brian, with the
possibility of Henry Ruggs being released and wanting to play
football again. Is there anything I had to put you
on the spot. Is there anything comparable an l history
where someone did time, came back and played again.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Can you think of anything off the top of your head?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Well, yeah, we were talking about this earlier. Was it
in the early two thousands or the late nineties. If
you remember, there's a player I think his name was
Leonard Little I played with the Saint Louis ram and
I think he was the same kind of situation. He
was in a dy crashing, drinking and driving. Somebody died
in that crash. I want to say he did come
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back and play after that, but but certainly, I mean,
this would be if not unprecedented, and it's certainly very rare.
But you know, just looking at I mean, we're in
the room with Henry tonight in Las Vegas and basically
in this conference room, and boy, he looks good, he
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looks healthy, he looks basically ripped. I mean, you got
to remember, this guy is only twenty six years old.
So look, if a team wanted to give him a chance,
I mean, I don't know, there's a lot of baggage there,
but he certainly had a lot of talents. I mean,
in twenty twenty one, I think he played seven or
eight games before that crash happened, and he had something
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like around five hundred receiving yards a couple touchdowns. I mean,
he was kind of starting to come on. He was
a legitimate deep threat. So I don't know, I guess
we've probably seen stranger things happen, but it'll be interesting
to see what happens for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
What do you think.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
And Brian Horwath is our guest here from the Vegas
Review Journal joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, was
at this event on Tuesday night in Vegas. Henry Ruggs,
former Raiders wide receiver, speaking at a Hope for Prisoners
event and apologized to the family of the woman that
he killed in a car crash.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What do you.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Think the percentage chance might be if you had to
take a guess of an NFL team who is looking
at this situation, knowing what happened, knowing the pr ramifications,
should they give Henry Ruggs a chance? What do you
think that like the realistic possibility is that he plays
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in the NFL again.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I just don't know, you know, honestly, Brian. I mean,
it's hard for me to believe that a team would
want to take on that baggage. But then you look
at you know, this is a young guy. He was
kind of starting to come into his own. He's one
of those one of those receivers. He's a deep threat.
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I means he at least was. We don't know what
he is now, but he was a very fast receiver
who's able to kind of take the top off of
the defense. You know, that's a coveted thing in the NFL,
as you know, so who knows. It does seem like
there's a lot of baggage. You know, he was out drinking.
He ends up driving his Corvette with his then girlfriend,
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I think it's his fiance, you know, almost one hundred
and fifty miles an hour on a red cidential street
here in Las Vegas and ends up killing a woman.
That's that's a lot of baggage. But you know, on
the other hand, I mean, this is America, and you know,
if you serve your time, I mean, Michael Vick served
this time, was able to come back. I realize that's
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a different situation. That's apples and argues, but you know,
who knows who knows. But it was certainly interesting to see.
I think the exact quote from Henry today was, hey,
look when I get out, you know whatever that is,
he hopes it's next year, next August. He said, look,
I'll be ready, so it'll definitely be very interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, I would imagine that's that's a tough thing to balance,
right where you want to have dreams and goals and
look forward to your future. I mean, that is understandable
but at the same time, when on one hand, you're
still apologizing.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
For this horrible, horrible.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Mistake that you made, and then in your next breath
you're talking about your future, that's a really tough thing
to balance.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Yeah, I mean, and certainly. I mean, you know, when
Henry was talking tonight, he was basically in a room
full of the ex offenders who are kind of trying
to come back and be productive members of society. He
was also live stream, so there's some some folks in
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prisons across Nevada who were also watching, and you know,
it was kind of interesting. A couple of those folks said, look, Henry,
you know, you're an inspiration to us, and you know,
and he was. He was kind of inspiring to listen to.
You know, he said he's learned a lot. He was young,
he wasn't happy, he was away from home. I mean,
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he said, he kind of escaped into that world of
essentially of drinking. Obviously made a horrible mistake, but again,
you know, we're talking about a guy who's twenty six.
And he said, and look, I want to come back
and make something out of myself again. So there was
a lot of emotion in that room. Today.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah, I can imagine. So you know what's crazy is
I feel so stupid right now, Brian, because yeah, of
course I went back and looked at Henry Ruggs and
his numbers, right, just looked at his stats, and his
rookie season, he had what twenty six catches for about
four hundred and fifty yards, and then his second season,
in seven games, did twenty four catches for a little
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bit better, about four hundred and fifty yards. And I'm
looking at twenty twenty one and I'm like, huh, maybe
he got hurt, maybe a hamstring or something. I totally
it's like, duh, that's when the crash happened, Like you
just said, a little while ago, that was during the
twenty one season, and the next thing, you know, the
Raiders released him and then he's, you know, on his
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way to being sentenced.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
It took a little while.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
He pleaded guilty in May of twenty three and was
sentenced in August of twenty three, and it was a
three to ten year prison sentence, and like you said,
he's eligible for parole next August, right, wow.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Yeah, And you know, there were certainly some folks who
raised an eyebrow at you know, hey, this this person,
potentially he's responsible for taking someone else's life and he
gets potentially only three years that you know, a lot
of things go into that. He you know, he didn't
have prior offenses or anything like that. You know, he
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was also able to afford David Chesnoff, who's you know,
a high price lawyer here in Las Vegas, and that
certainly didn't hurt his cause either. But but hey, look,
I mean tonight, if for just just for the event,
and I know that there's a family that's that's hurting
and they're gonna be hurting forever, that's never going to
go away. You know, he said all the right things tonight,
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So I don't know, we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Has there been any word from the victims family, Have
they said anything about how they feel right now about
the whole situation, or are they're just you know, kind
of living life on their own without making any statements
like that.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Well, it's funny. I was actually texting back and forth
with the victim's uncle, who has spoke out in the
past last few years a little bit, and you know,
he had no idea that Henry wouldn't be speaking at
this event. We didn't know this was going on. Henry
himself said that he was just asked to do this
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on Saturday, so he just basically just decided that the
time was right. He wanted to talk a little bit
about his experience. So and Tina Tintor's uncle just said,
he told me in a text message, look, there's there's
so much that goes into He was actually at work
tonight and he said, look, I don't want to, you know,
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make one or two comments tonight. Let's let's talk later.
Obviously a lot there was a lot of emotion that
went into that whole thing, A lot of emotion for
that family. So you know that's something obviously that's that's
not going to go away. Ever.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, no doubt. I totally hear you on that.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
It's it becomes so complicated so fast, you know, because
I think about it. I have two nephews who I
absolutely adore, and they're around the same age when Tina
was killed, right, And so if I put myself in
that position, like you're texting back and forth with the uncle,
me as an uncle, if one of my nephews died
(40:34):
the same way, I would.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Have a huge problem with that.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
But at the same time, it's not like I want
to make I don't want to text you something and
that could impact that person's life going forward. It becomes
really complicated really fast.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I don't blame them for that,
you know, I can say that certainly the family did,
you know, wonder if maybe that was a little bit
light of a sentence. And I think anyone could probably
understand if you're in their shoes as well. So it's
a difficult situation. You know, there were never any winners
(41:16):
in this. You know, Henry his family had to go
through all this, and of course Tina Tintor's family, So
it was just really a really tragic, tragic situation.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Absolutely, well, hey, Brian, I appreciate you taking a couple
of minutes. Man, Thanks for your time here in the
early morning, and I hope you have a good day.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
We'll catch you down the road.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Absolutely there.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
He is Brian Horwath from the Vegas Reviewed Journal. He
was at that event former Raiders wide receiver Henry Ruggs.
He was on special release from prison. On Tuesday night,
he spoke at a Hope for prisoners event in Las Vegas,
and he apologized to the family of a woman he
killed in a car crash that was nearly four years ago.
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