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August 20, 2025 • 50 mins

Big Ben talks about reports that Micah Parsons and the Cowboys are headed for divorce, Daniel Jones being named the starting QB for the Indianapolis Colts, Maller to the Third Degree, Too Much or Not Enough, #QueenOfHearts w/ LaReina, and more!

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Speaker 3 (02:05):
We go to Dallas. Why are you not starting with
the Colts.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I'll get to them later. Got four hours of talk
radio to do. I gotta pace myself. It's like a marathon.
It's a talk marathon, is what it is. So the
gift that keeps giving status update, status update, and we
go where the news of the day takes us. And
right now that is deep in the heart of Texas.

(02:32):
And have you heard the latest on the Micah Parsons
contract situation.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
With the Dallas Cowboys? Well no, I haven't. Okay, good,
maybe you missed it.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
So we got you. So we are now here that
there is zero indication bumpkis squad Douche that a deal
is going to happen. Oh my god, Now, Adam Schefter,
he passes on that at some point in time, whether that's.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Now and now or.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
After the season or after another season, can Michael Parsons
can He's under contract for this year and then there's
a franchise tag the Cowboys can do, he says. Schefter
tells us the two sides are headed towards a.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Divorce. Interesting, so let us discuss the question for the
esteem panel, which you are part of. Where are you at?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Where are you at on this latest report that Micah
Parsons is heading towards the divorce court from the Dallas
Cowboys and mister Jones keeping up with the Joneses. So
my thoughts on this. I've got public broadcasting, etch a
sketch and space heater, and we will combine all of
these things together and make a spicy stew is what

(03:57):
we're going to make. So a Michael Parsons, let me
get up here on the top of the bully pulpit. Here,
hold on a second step up here, bully pulpit. Michael
Parsons is not going anywhere. He's not being traded. He's
obviously not being released. Michael Parsons is not going anywhere.
Jerry's not letting him walk away. He's not trading him

(04:20):
for a couple of draft picks. He's not doing that.
Jerry is playing cool hand Luke, and yeah he is.
As he said a couple of weeks ago, don't lose
any sleep over this. We never lose any sleep because
we sleep during the day, so we work overnight. We
don't lose any sleep over.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Any of this.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
The translation is, Hey, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed, right,
that's the messaging from Jerry Jones, classic dad energy.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Listen, I am not angry at you, but I am disappointed,
and you never want to disappoint your parents.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
So the Cowboys have not picked up the phone allegedly
since oh man, oh darn.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's not a cold shoulder.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
By by the way, If you don't pick up the
phone or negotiates since April, that is full blown radio silence.
That is what the death of radio dead, air dead
air passive aggress Now there are passive aggressive leaks from
both sides. Jerry Jones essentially going what I call Public
Broadcasting PBS and doing his mister Rogers impersonation. Now he's

(05:31):
doing the whole mister Rogers, can you imagine user imagination?
Radio is theater of the imagination. So today, children, matcham
Jerry Jones wearn't a sweater and he walks out and
he's got the he's got the closet right there, and
he opens the closet, rabs a sweater and he says, today, children,
we're going to learn about leverage. When someone wants forty
million dollars a year, you smile, you nod, and quietly

(05:55):
you activate the franchise tag while playing Won't You Be
My Neighbor?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
On the jukebox? That's how you do it.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
And then Jerry walks away, and Jerry's got the franchise
tag in his back pocket.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
So do need to do this? And things can change
rapidly and all that stuff and won't.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
You be my neighbor? Won't you be my neighbor? So
it's a real SOB story there, And I still maintain
the malor position has not changed. That we will get
a report from Jay Glazer the Sunday before kickoff that
things changed dramatically in the last forty eight hours, the

(06:33):
final forty eight, not the first forty eight, the final
forty eight before the kickoff of the regular season. All
of a sudden tut up deal got done, all right. Now,
moving on, we head to Pittsburg, PA, the land of
the Inser, where Steeler's defensive star Cam Hayward.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
He's back.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, he returned to a practice. I'm very concerned about that.
There's a whole in situation that took place. He still
does not have a new contract. I know he's very
concerned about his finances. I know, I am. I'm talking
about it here. So Cam Hayward does not have a
new contract with the Steelers, but he did return after
the hold in there. I began that on August seventh,

(07:18):
he I guess ended for now on August nineteenth as
he returned to practice. Now we are told from sources
not close to the situation that Cam Hayward his participation
does not signal any kind of step towards.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
A new de leoh. Nor is he.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Accepting the reality that he must play for his current
salary and hold a bake sale prior to the game.
So the question on this one is rather simple. Cam
Hayward says, he told the Steelers to expect him.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
This goes back a couple months.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
He told the Steelers to expect him back at the
table if he made all pro status. Right, you've had
big year last year, said you expect me back at
the table. So the question continues to be in Pittsburgh,
should the front office honor, for lack of a better term,
the handshake clause for Cam Heyward, it's like, Hey, we're

(08:22):
men as men. Listen, we're gonna I'm gonna go out
there and I am gonna break balls. And when I
break balls, you're gonna break a bunch.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Of money, and you're gonna give it to me.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
And that's so I'm nodding my head yes on this one.
I'm nodding my head yes on this one. Now I
realize that these Steelers are a buttoned up operation. I
am aware that they are a buttoned up operation. So
I get that part of it. But this is always
a case by case basis, player by player by player.
But it's not a one size fits all situation. So

(08:55):
it's not a one size fits all.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
So Hayward, he.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Just played this game not that long ago, as I
remember doing the talk show where now he's back. It's
you know what it's like. It's like he complained not
that long ago about his contract. The Steelers gave him
a little more money, and so now he's like the
guy that bought the house and and he bought a
house in a hot market, and now he wants to

(09:20):
refinance because he went on Zillow and he's like, hey,
it's so worth more now, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
refinance and all this. But these NFL contracts in general,
the longer you pay attention to this and the older
you get, you realize how foo gazy these NFL contracts are.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
It's just like they're written on an etch of sketch.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And the Steelers just shook the etch a sketch and
they said, well, I don't want to shake it again.
And he said, well, well no, Cam Hayber's I think
you should shake it again. He's trying to redraw the
lines on the etch of sketch, and you know, the
market's already moved. It's it's great. I would love for
the radio business to be like that. I think every business.
Can you imagine whatever, I don't know what you're doing,

(09:58):
but wouldn't that be great, whatever job you have.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
If things move like the NFL.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Playing in the NFL in the last ten years, it
is akin to buying bitcoin, which is a source subject
for me back in the day. It's very volatile, very volatile.
It's irrational. You don't last that long. But it doesn't

(10:25):
ever seem to go down. It's always trending up. And
came Heyward in his career's thirty six, which last I
checked is not old. But you know how it works
in the NFL at thirty six, Oh my god, you're
thirty six. He's on bonus time, bonus time, and so
he knows it, and so he's trying to cash in
before the wheels on the bus stop going round and round,

(10:46):
the wheels on the bus come following off. He's trying
to stop that, and I don't blame him. And Steel
has got money to burn, you know. It's like if
they don't spend the money, they'll just pocket the money.
And that's fine. An NFL pays all all their bills
based on television, and they have a surplus. They have
an absolute fin surplus of money these NFL teams based

(11:09):
on just television. And then there's all the other revenue
that they have. All right, So last word we go
to Washington debate. Topic tossed out sports radio debate. Topic
tossed out by a future Hall of Famer and a
champion with the l A. Rams von Miller Von Miller

(11:30):
edge rusher von Miller. He explained this week. Von Miller
explained why he does not.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
View Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
He does not view Tom Brady as the NFL's greatest
quarterback of all time. Instead, who do you think he
picked as the greatest quarterback of all time? Who do
you think von Miller picked as the greatest quarterback.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Of all time?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Do you think he a picked Joe Montana, you know
Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
No, how about options number three?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Peyton Manning. That's right, the same Peyton Manning who was
his teammate in Denver ding ding ding ding Ding. Now,
Von Miller said, for me, it's always going to be
Peyton Manning. He changed the quarterback position in terms of
changing the play. He wasn't scrambling or doing none of
that stuff. He said, he did it all with his arm.

(12:24):
Von Miller said, as he was smooching all over the
legacy of Peyton Manning. He said it was beautiful man
clothes quote. Okay, so that's von Mill now with the
Washington football team.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
That's weird. So how much weight do you give von Miller?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
How much weight do you give Von Miller's selection of
Peyton Manning as the greatest quarterback.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Of all time over time? Brady?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Uh So, how about zero percent of the weight. It's
absolute cronyism, it is. We all know it. We all
know it. It's plain and simple. It's right there in
front of your eyes there, even blind Scott, blind Emmett,
the Inca Terror, Stevie meat Balls, they can all see it.
Even Kooper Loop over there, big Broncos suck up, he

(13:12):
can see it as well. Listen, von Miller is riding
that nostalgia train. True, he's riding the nostalgia train because Manning.
I'm sure at one point in Denver they went out,
they had the Mallard chicken sandwich together. Maybe Manning paid
for that mail or chicken sandwich at the sports book
bar and grill. There multiple locations in Denver, and it's

(13:34):
possible that Manning showed up to some Von Miller charity
events somewhere in Colorado and he took photos and kissed
babies and all that stuff. It's classic locker room biased.
It's one of the problems when you have value placed
on athletes. Quotes like von Miller is completely biased. The
witness is biased.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Your honor.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
You play with a guy like von Miller played with
paid and he knows your kids' names, and he signs
your cleats, and suddenly he's the messiah anybody that knows
football and those Peyton Manning is not anywhere near that level.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
He's not one of.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
The great choke artists of all time. Peyton Manning absolute
disaster in big games. The last guy you would want
among the supposed top quarterbacks in a big game was
Peyton Manning unless you wanted someone who was an expert
at writing the vomit comet.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Now people are trying to change history because Peyton Man's
not played in them a number of years and all that.
So there's going, Oh, Peyton Manning was logrudoals of all time.
Tell me you don't know ball without telling me you
don't know what ball. Peyton Manning was a regular guy.
We ripped Dak Prescott, We rip all these guys for
being frauds in big games. Peyton Manning is the personification
of I'm a fraud in big games. I mean, how

(14:53):
many times did we come in here and just laugh
at Peyton Manning puking all over.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Himself in a big game?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Right, the antithesis of what Tom Brady was in big
games in his team money.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Now, many of it was you won two super Bowls?
How many did you win?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
You're doing overnights, Okay, so let's break that down. The
one he won in Denver, Peyton Manning he had a
noodle arm.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
He was literally laying on a hospital gerdy and they
pushed him.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
The defense with Von Miller pushed him across the finish
line in that Super Bowl by hitting the Bronco defense,
hitting Cam Newton so hard. He still hasn't recovered. He's
still he clearly he's lost all. He hadn't blinked Cam
Newton since that particular Super Bowl that was not Peyton

(15:40):
Manning was one of the one of the worst Super
Bowl performances you can possibly have for the Broncos. You
cannot tell the story of Peyton Manning properly. You cannot
tell the story of Peyton Manning properly without talking about
the fact that he suffered from extreme shrinkage. Northlake boys
on the water.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
It happens. But for Peyton Manning was the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Manning in big games was like a space heater you
cranked all the way up in a blizzard.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Now what happens when you put a space heater in
the blizzard?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Technically it's working, right, It's not doing much, but it's on.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, that's where. So he had a Super.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Bowl passer rating in his career, I believe, if I
have the numbers right here, seventy eight point six, which
was below his career norm.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
But wait, there's more.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Right, he was statistically in the playoffs a worse performer
than in the regular season by a wide margin.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
And so that is not goat material. You know what
that is.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
That's goat cheese. So yeah, Peyton Manning was the goat.
He was goat cheese in big games, soft and crumbly
and only good on the right salad.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
But I don't need salad, So for me, I don't
need goat cheese.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Don't need it, don't need And so again this is
just to wrap this up, Von Miller went sentimental, not statistical,
not reality based his argument there, and it's like, it's
like the guy that says, well, let me tell you something.
My high school band, back in high school, back in
my day, the high school band was better than the

(17:19):
Rolling Stones because my buddy played bass in the band.
Loyalty matters and all that stuff. But you're talking about
the all time greatest. It's Brady and there's no debate.
It's bad for sports radio.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
There's no debate.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
And I used to be the Joe Montana guy because
he used to slay the Rams every time, but I
even I've given that up years ago. It's Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
That's it. Period. Stop now.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
If you want to get attention online, you'll scream and
shout and say, hey, it's well, it's not it's not
Tom Brady. But everyone knows you're just doing that. Your
trolling is what you're doing.

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Speaker 3 (19:47):
Is from Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
We're not gonna talk about the Indianapolis five hundred No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Quarterback carousel. Quarterback carousel update.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
If you have not heard the drama, I'm not gonna
say the drama orama because this was not drama Orama.
The news is in. The decision has been made. And
if you thought that Anthony Richardson was going to continue
as QB number one in Indianapolis, you're a loser. As
Anthony Richardson has done the walk of shame. He has

(20:19):
been demoted, benched. See you later. Alligator coach Shane Steiken
in a moment that no coach wants to highlight, named
Giants trash Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback

(20:42):
in Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
That's it, that's the story.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Daniel Jones beats out Anthony Richardson, who was a top
five draft pick a couple of years ago and has
now been usurped by Daniel Jones. All Right, so let
us discuss the question.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Let me check the.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Water temperature if you will, uh, for the colt fan?
What is the temperature for the colt fan? On Daniel
Jones being named QB one? You excited about this?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
All right?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
So my observations, I've got Morton's fork, snuffle upfagus, and
tinder date, and we will combine all of these things
together and we are going to make some grilled chicken
and rice is what we're gonna make eat healthy.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
So number that number.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Number goes out to Sherwin. That's for that. Number one
was for Sherwin. So the water temperature here is lukewarm. Lukewarm,
that's the water temperature. If you've got a tingly sensation
about Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Being named QB number one, If you've got.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
That, that's not excitement, Okay, it's not. That's something you
should probably call the doctor about. If you've got a
tingling feeling about that, this is a Morton's fork situation.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
If you don't know what that is, google it.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's where you're stuck choosing between two equally unpleasant unpleasant alternatives.
And so it got me thinking, it's like when I
was seven years old, little fat Benny at the dinner
table with Mama Malor and my pops and my brother,
you know. And at seven, I didn't have another I
have a younger brother. I was the youngest kid, and

(22:31):
my younger brother came after that, a little seven year
old kid there. And I'm sitting down at dinner and
the mom says, my mom said, hey, yea, Ben, good news.
We are done trying to get your fat ass to
eat broccoli at dinner.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
And I light up. I smile at my mom.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I say, finally, here, I am seven years old, seven
years old, and my mom is giving me respect. That's
a good mom. And so I sit there and I
got a smile, kind of a smirk. I say, thank god, mom,
this is so great. You're my favorite mom. You're my
only mom, but you're my favorite mom. And then my

(23:09):
mom said, well, we're gonna start serving cauliflower instead.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
I inside, I die.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I absolutely die, right because that blows too right, that sucks.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
And that's what this is. That that's what this is. Right.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
This is not this is not a ribbi. This is
not a ribbi. This is the steam vegetables that you
don't want. That's what this is. And don't forget like
the ultimate embarrassment, the ultimate You name Daniel Jones, You're
starting quarterback in Indianapolis, and this is the guy that
lost his job with the Giants to Tommy DeVito. Okay, now,

(23:50):
remember Tommy DeVito is like a character actor in the Sopranos.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Is what he's like? You say, is Tommy Cutlets.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
That's the guy that ended up being the quarterback for
the Giants with Dan Jones left town, demoted for Tommy Cutlets,
and Jones could not hold off the immensibility of Tommy DeVito,
who looked and still to this day looks like he
should be serving chicken palm at his uncle's restaurant somewhere

(24:17):
in Hobulk of New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
But yet he was the quarterback for.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
The Giants and replaced Daniel Jones. And so has now
has Danny Dimes ever? Let me ask you this, has
he ever made anyone better that he played with?

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Now?

Speaker 1 (24:32):
He has been sputtering for years, and the Giants kept
playing him because they were like, well, we have to
salvage Daniel Jones. So they changed players around him, they
changed coaches. The whole thing right, and the one consistent,
the common denominator in Daniel Jones, is the bonehead play
very good at that his internal clock has been broken.

(24:56):
It runs about as fasts. He processes the defensive alignment
about as fast as you move through the line. Without
a reservation of the DMV. It doesn't go very well.
And so you know, there's just no warm and fuzzy.
There's no warm.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
There's no good way this could come out for the Colts.
There's not. You can try to talk yourself.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Into it, be a big fanboy and say, oh yeah,
this is great. Now does this quarterback decision? Does it
change the Colts ceiling in twenty twenty five? No, it doesn't.
They're still barreling down the highway. The highway to Hell
is where they're going.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I mean, they just are. And if everything.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Breaks perfectly, I mean the running game is good and
they stay relatively healthy. No one stays completely other, but
you say relatively healthy. You somehow put a pretty good
defense together there in Indy. The offensive line doesn't fold
up like a beach chair on a fat guy sitting
on a beach chair. Then what do your max out at?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
What's the on that? What is this?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
This is a average avenue? You're driving down average avenue.
You get to eight wins.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Woo, you got eight wins.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Okay, nine wins, maybe nine wins, Okay, nine and eight.
That's that's the tops right there. Of course your ceiling
is nine and eight. Okay, So let's let's think this
through the basement. What is the basement. It is possible
this team does not win a game.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
It's not like your quarterback is gonna bail you out.
So it's it's there is a world, the dimension of
the multiverse where the Colts don't win a game, all
right now, page two. So there's been a lot of
this is unfair, this is not right commentary for Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Let's hear from the the man himself.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Here. Here's Anthony Richardson, the former starting quarterback for the
Indianapolis Colts, the chosen one, who has now been the
demogent one.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Here's his take on being kicked to the curb.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
You like the better fit for the team, benefit for
al chemos are winning, so you've got to respect it.
And the sheep work that doesn't under my other work
out putting, doesn't, you know, but say that I have
to improved, you know, my product improvement I made, saying
the dogs on a prod of that. So you gotta
keep stacking on that and keep getting better.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
So we had the microphone. Who was actually placed in Gary, Indiana?
Not in Indianapolis? Or was that South Bend, Indiana? Okay,
I'm wearing headphones. I could barely make that out. That
was bad. Why do we play it because we had it?
That's why we played it. We played it because we
had it, and we played it because we had.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It, all right. I don't even know what he said.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I do know that Richardson's agent reacted with disappointment. Shocking.
He would be just disappointed as client has been benched.
So he was upset, said that he's unsure of Richardson's
future with the Colts.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Well, so are the Colts take a number now? The age?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Derek Wash Derek Jackson, Derek Jackson, I believe that's his name.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I've never heard of him.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
So he wondered aloud whether or not to Shane Steikin's
quarterback decision. His decision might have been predetermined when the
Colts signed Daniel Jones back in March to a one
year contract for fourteen million dollars. So let's discuss. That's
a good jumping off point. Did Anthony Richardson get a
raw deal? Did he get a raw deal from Indy?

(28:31):
So let's think about that.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Right, the jury is in and I've got two letters
to the judge. N oh no.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Now this was predetermined, but it was not predetermined when
Daniel Jones signed the contract. In fact, as a distant
relative of Nostre damas friend of Nostradinas. He lives in Seattle,
Seattle area. This was predetermined. It was not because of
Daniel Owns signing on the dotted line.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
This.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Let me tell you, they could have signed, as my
advisor Alf would say, the alien pinter. They could have
signed mister Snuffalopogus, right, signed mister Snuffalopagus, and he would
be named the started quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts. I
know the exact date. It was October twenty seventh, twenty
twenty four. It was week eight of the NFL season,

(29:25):
two hundred ninety seven days ago exactly from that point
to the time the Colts made the decision, So two
hundred ninety seven days it was in Houston, Texas. That
was the moment, just a moment in time, just a snapshot.
And in that moment in time, that is when Anthony
Richardson himself asked to be demoted as the QB number

(29:48):
one in Indianapolis. He tapped out, he said, no, Moss,
I'm done, Skis, I'm out of here. I can't play.
He wasn't injured, he was gassed, he was not in shape.
He pulled himself out of the game. That in that
business is a capital offense. And he did it, and

(30:09):
he didn't hide it. He talked about it openly. He
didn't try to pretend like he did something else. He
just said, this is what I did. Can't do it,
cannot do it. That's a no fly zone. And you
did it. That's high crimes and misdemeanors. That's you know,
that's a felony, is what that is. And you incriminated yourself.

(30:32):
And once you quit, once you say that's it. Once
you quit on yourself like that in that profession the coach,
but more importantly your teammates, you're done, because they also
would like to come out of the game like the
people playing it, like it's paining the ass man. You
get to the second half of an NFL game, you're
getting your ass, you know, handed to you, and you'd
like to step out of the game, but you have

(30:53):
a job to do and you're paid to be a
top flight professional athlete. And it's all about the grind, right,
that's the whole point, the war of attrition. But you
don't take yourself out of the war because you're tired
and he did it. You can't forget that, you don't.
It's like when you call in sick. It's like the
equivalent in the real world.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
If you call in sick, it's oh, man, I'm dying, dude,
and you call your boss.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'm your texting me. I can't show up. Just I'm
not doing good and I feel horrific. I gotta go
to the doctor. I got to get some medicine. And
then they see you. They're scrolling on Instagram and they
see you in a swimsuit on the beach and you're
dricking a cocktail. They don't look at you the same.

(31:37):
They don't believe you. Yeah, they don't trust you. You're
out of the bubble of trust. And so that's the issue.
You're out of the bubble of trust. And look, Jerry Glanville,
is you probably is if you're of a certain age.
But he was this old NFL coach, you a million
years ago coach the Atlanta Falcons and some other teams.
And Jerry Glanville said decades ago, the NFL stands not
from all and certainly when you do that, Richardson leaning

(31:58):
leaning into that, and he learned the hard away. He
learned the hard way, a tough love. Richardson was never
ever supposed to be the guy. That's the thing about this,
Like everyone talks about, there's a lot of people get oh,
this is not fair, this is not right, blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah bah. He was never supposed
to be drafted there in the first place. He should
have been picked in the fourth or the fifth round,

(32:19):
and he ended up going in the top five. It
was a total project from the beginning. Now you know
how I feel about the draft. I'd rather have dysentery
than do draft shows. At this point, it's all the scam,
it's all the hustle. And instead of being drafted where
you'd say, well, he's a developmental player. Now, Jim Mersey,
the late Jim Mrsays oh we'll take him. It's like

(32:41):
a make a wish situation, and let's take this. Get
all give him a shot at quarterback.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
They did.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
They give him a shot, and Richardson played like a
guy that won a raffle, you know, at a country fair.
Uh you know, it's like, congratulations, way to go, You're
the starting quarterback of the Indianapolis Coast. The only problem,
of course, this was not a raffle. It was the NFL.
The results bear out. Now, there were two things that
Anthony Richardson was truly a leade at. There were two

(33:08):
things Anthony Richardson was elite at getting hurt. That he
was next level superstar, next level superstar getting hurt. And
what's the old line, You could not hit the broadside
of a barn, you have no accuracy. He was essentially
Tim Tebow level accuracy. He was unplayable in the modern NFL,

(33:32):
like fifty percent completions are below most of the games.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
And that's it. So it's not a raw deal. It's not.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I mean, it was a natural conclusion that anyone with
half a brain who's not a fanboy would have made.
He didn't get screwed. In fact, if anything, he was
given an opportunity he did not deserve. Richardson that he
should have never been a QB one for the Colts
because he didn't deserve that based on his crappy college career.

(34:04):
And then he proved that the people that were critics
were right. The critic was right on this one. Could
never throw accurately, couldn't stay healthy, and pulled himself out
of the game. Strike one, strike two, strike three, batter out,
batter out. So Richardson didn't get screwed by the Colts.
He screwed himself. He's essentially what he did all right now,

(34:26):
final points, staying with the horseshoes.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Why not? So a couple of you idiots sent me
this quote.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's just going I guess it's been going around last
couple because I didn't see it until in the nighttime hours.
So Andrew Luck popped up again. I haven't really thought
about Andrew Luck in a long time.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Why would I washed up athlete?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I don't really think about those guys much anyway, Anthony
richards or Andrew Luck. Why I think Richardson soon enough
will be the washed up athlete. But Andrew Luck get
your crappy Colts quarterbacks right. So Andrew Luck popped up again.
He was talking about his retirement, and this was behind
a paywall on the Athletic and he said, quote, I
was going to play until forty or fifty. I thought

(35:05):
I was invincible. And then he said, I fell out
of love. I always have guilt. He said, I let
my teammates down. Close Quote Andrew luck who famously you
talk about the Colts have really done good at getting
guys that quit, like Anthony Richardson quit. He quit during
a game. Andrew luck Well kind of quit during a

(35:27):
game too. It was a preseason game, but he quit.
They're really good. They lead the NFL and quitters Colts football.
We's raft guys that quit, all right, So that'd be
a good slogan. H So, is Andrew luck saying that
he let his teammates down justified all these years later
on his Colt's retirement. So I'm nodding my head. Yes,

(35:48):
I'm nodding my Yes. He's one hundred percent right in
Luck did let them down.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
He did. This is what I said. I got killed
for this. Take.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
This is take validation. That's why I'm bringing this up.
It's Mallard take validation. So I said this at the
time as his quitter. What you can't do that? What
are you doing? And you step away in March, you
say I'm done in April, even if you wait till May.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm fine, you know, because I'm really the judge jury
and execution, and I'm fine with that. When you have
the overnight bully pulpit, those are those are decisions you make.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
So I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
But at the eleventh hour, just a couple of weeks
before the season kicks off, is not the time nor
the place to say I'm out, see you later, suckers. No,
that's like telling your fiance on the way down the
aisle with everyone. They're all dressed up in their their
church clothes, right, everyone's all dressed up.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
And by the way, surprise, I'm out. Good luck. You
know you can't know luck.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
And by the way, there was a basketball player named
Richard Jefferson who I thinks on network television now who
did that. He famously did that anyway, So he didn't
just Luck, didn't just screw over. He didn't just screw
over the team, the coaching staff, the fan. That's the
part that I had a problem with. Do you announced

(37:10):
that you have to pay a lot of money for
these season tickets. Now I'm not a season ticket older,
but I have friends of mine to buy the tickets
in the very expensive right, you got to give deposits
and all that stuff. And he basically ghosted the entire
franchise like the Colts. It was like a bad tender date.
And he's like, I ain't gonna ghost this person. And
don't even give him the excuse that you had to

(37:31):
dog sit or something like that. You're just like I'm out,
I'm done, and you just ghost, just disappear. So no
SOB story as so far as it's I don't want
to hear about guilt. That to me, that's a SOB store.
The whole guilt things a SOB story.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Boo.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Andrew and people were trying to make him the victim.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I know we live in the age, not as much
anymore the last couple of years, but it was like everyone's.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
A victim for like ten years. Everyone's a victim.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I my God, drives me nuts, but there are real victims.
But Andrew Luck was not the victim right. In fact,
anything the guilt he should have guilt. He was the
guy at the bar, right he was out there with
his teammates at the bar, and uh he ducked out
of the restaurant before the check showed up, after having
a bunch of booze and a bunch of apps appetizers

(38:17):
and all that's I'm out.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
And the franchise has never recovered.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I mean, they are still feeling the facts all these
years later. There were years ironed from from boots on
the ground that Jim, the late Jim Mersey was convinced
that Andrew Luck, yeah, he'd come back in two years,
and he didn't come back, and they tried to They
were like, well, well, just Andrew Luck has a house.
I don't know if he still does. I know he's
doing stuff for Stanford. But he lived in retirement down
the street from the Colts practice facility because he thought,

(38:45):
you know, they thought, well he lives here, he's.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Gonna come back and play quarterback fos and he never did.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And so they've had this like Broadway casting call the
Colts where they had Philip Rivers and they had Carson
Wentz and Matt Ryan and they had this suck bag
Anthony Richardson who quit. Now they have Daniel Jones, who
people hope will quit. And so it's like those guys
don't belong on Broadway. They belong at like the Fargo Theater.
Shout out to our guys in Fargo, North Dakota. Come on,

(39:12):
you know these are not leading, legitimate and you have
a bunch of washed up guys and never was, never
were good players. And those are the guys at the front.
I mean, the franchise is still chasing its tail because
one guy quit at the most inconvenient possible time to quit.
And that's Andrew Luck's legacy.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
That's the legacy of Andrew Luck. Forget the stats, forget
all the promise, and oh he's going to be amazing.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
The full monte.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
He bailed at the worst possible time and left everyone
else holding the bag. Fans, teammates, coaches, everyone.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
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Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Here we go, It's mallard. How about that?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
To the third degree is one big Ben gets great.

Speaker 8 (40:03):
Titan's number one pick cam Ward found himself in the
middle of a practice scuffle after he shoved and taunted
Pro Bowl defensive lineman Jeffrey Simmons. However, cornerback Jarvis brownly
liked seeing that from Ward, saying it shows he's got
that dog in him. Yeah, Ben, do you want to
see your quarterback getting into the middle of those kind
of things?

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I know people are freaking out your panties are bunched
up on the internet, but I don't mind it, you know.
And that's the kind of stuff that once you established
that you're that kind of guy, like your teammates love you,
the offensive lineman love you and all that, there's always
some pencil nose poindexter that gets all upset. You don't
do it all the time, but rare and appropriate. I like, Yeah,

(40:42):
it's good. I like it, cam Ward, you know. I
hope he's okay. He'll be good for the show next.

Speaker 8 (40:48):
Mets legend Jose Reyes talked to TMZ recent jse Jose Jose, Jose,
that's right. He said that he thinks people have been
too hard on one Soto and that he's done pretty
good for his first year with the team.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, Ben, do you expect so to improve next year?

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well? Yeah, he's gonna be with the Mets the rest
of my career, So I would assume he's going to
get better. But no, that's a that's a bad take
by Jose Reyes. Now you're in New York, there's high expectations.
You signed the biggest contract in baseball history.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Oh you've been too hard. Oh what kind of loser
take is that? That's like the worst take I've heard
in a long time. Next, suck.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
It's being reported that the Houston Rockets are reluctant to
give Kevin Duranty contract extension and that they aren't going
to go all in on any potential extension.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Ben. Could his stay in Houston be short lived?

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yes, he's a nomad, He's a hobo. That's what Durant does.
He changed his ta as soon as things go bad,
Durant looks to leave. He doesn't want to make it better.
He wants to leave. That's what he does.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
There.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
It is maleo third degree? How do we dow? He passes?
I won, Andre, I won.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
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Speaker 3 (42:04):
I see hollering, James, James, Are you there? James hollering,
James is fronting.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Ready, y, you sound like your voice is ready to die.

Speaker 9 (42:17):
I can just see it right, all.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Right, calm down, keep your pants on. Let's play the game.
Here we go, Here we go, Here we go.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
It's another Ben Mallard game.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
We've endured too many of this.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Is it too much or not enough?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Enough?

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Already? Let's see here we ago? Too much or not enough?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
You gotta get three questions, right, James, you won this game,
the greatest moment in show history, in a game show
fastest me.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
I was not on this sleep man, and I'm not.

Speaker 9 (42:43):
A creep man.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yes, you won the game while sleeping. One of the
great moments in the history of radio that should have
gotten more publicity, should have gotten more publicity.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
But you know how.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Fifty way hurry if you're wasting time, Let's play the game.
Here we go. Three questions. All the answers are too
much or not enough? Question number one.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Tarak Schooble just became the first pitcher to reach two
hundred strikeouts this season. Now, last season, eight pitchers reached
that mark. Is that too much or not enough?

Speaker 10 (43:21):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Let's find out. Hey, look at that, James, you got
you got it right now. The answer is not enough.
There were eleven.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Pitchers with at least two hundred strikeouts last year, hollowing James.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Question number two.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
John Wall announced his retirement on Tuesday. He is one
of only five players ever to average over nine assists
per game in the postseason in the NBA? Is that
too much or not enough?

Speaker 6 (43:48):
Too much?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
All right, let's find out unbelievable. Look at this guy
hollering James? Is there a full moon?

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I'm I'm.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Okay. The answer is too much.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
He's one of three players, along with Irvin Magic Johnson
and John Stockton. Question number three d Daniel Jones will
be the cold six different week one starting quarterback within
the last ten years. Is that too much or not enough?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Not enough?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Fight out? Wow? James?

Speaker 7 (44:29):
You you.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Won the game? James? Not enough?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Know you well?

Speaker 4 (44:37):
You won?

Speaker 3 (44:39):
You want me to keep going? I'll keep going. You
want to win another one? Okay? Here we go.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Question number four for Bryce Hart He already won. But
question for Bryce Harpert is twenty of home run of
the season earlier this week. It is his tenth career
season with twenty or more home runs. Is that too
much or not enough?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (44:57):
My God, that's right again. Holy crap, it's eleven. No,
there's no way you're gonna get this last one?

Speaker 7 (45:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
No, got no, yeah, you got one.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
More before you give them another one. There were twenty,
by the way, that was his eleven season, eating twenty more.
Bryce Harper, Question number five for hollering James trying to
run the board. That means we have to call the game.
The hollering James. I know he's about to die, but
he he's on his deathbed. All that, baby, there were
twenty quarterbacks to throw for more than thirty five hundred

(45:26):
yards last season to sweep the board. James get another
golden ticket? Is that too much or not enough?

Speaker 9 (45:33):
Too much?

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Oh my god, he is swept.

Speaker 11 (45:37):
Holdly crap, hollering, jab You have just witnessed a man
who takes thirty six bills in the morning and thirty
six bills at night.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Who is just now all right? The great thing about this?
All right?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I shut up. You've won the two? Are you gonna
keep them or give them to somebody else?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
James?

Speaker 4 (46:03):
You know they should.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, see, you don't have to worry about it. Coop,
He's just gonna give him to Tammy. Montez. He doesn't
matter if he says that, he's still gonna call it.
I'm trying to use congratulations. Oh I don't care. I don't.
I don't listen good. I love Tammy, She's a wonderful woman.
I don't.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I don't want to be Sure to catch live editions
of The Ben Meller Show weekdays at two am Eastern
eleven pm Pacific.

Speaker 10 (46:30):
It's up, it does with Little rain An clean up,
Hawks going to help you. Gear Rye, gear Rye to night,
gear Rye to night.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Dear ry.

Speaker 12 (46:43):
You heard the man.

Speaker 13 (46:44):
It's Tom for love here on the Ben Mallards Show.
And oh my goodness, summer has come to an end.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Is it over now? I think so because I know
in La gets hotter in September.

Speaker 13 (46:57):
Yes, but everyone's back in school, so now everyone's going
back into like marriage.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
That sucks, dude, because it starts. Summer should be longer,
it really should. I think it's because parents complain. That's
why it's got Seriously, I think parents complained, so they
got babysitters.

Speaker 12 (47:13):
And all that, so you know, yeah, definitely, for sure,
for sure, I got don't forget. Once your kids go
back to school, you got time for you and your love. Yeah,
take that time. Get back in bed.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Okays in bed?

Speaker 12 (47:28):
Say what are we having?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
We have questions, Lorraine.

Speaker 12 (47:31):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Andy in Line Lakes, Minnesota says, uh, I can't wain Loraina.
So my girlfriend says, I don't spend enough time with her.
So I bought her some lingerie and she said I
could do anything I wanted to her for the weekend.
So I tied her up and went fishing with my buddy.
She's never happy, so that's uh.

Speaker 12 (47:51):
You should have taken her with you in the boat.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, the cops might have shown up if seeing that
they would not go over Well, yeah, all right, let's go.
We have a calls for you, Lorraine. We have a
pat in Tampa has called in for the Queen of Hearts.

Speaker 12 (48:07):
Hi Pat.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
So I drop my phone like a real professional over here.
How do I handle it if I'm concerned that my
radio producer is sending you inappropriate dms?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Oh no, oh this is I think I know who
this is.

Speaker 12 (48:25):
Make sure you tell him that's inappropriate.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
H Oh, tell me keep his pants on? How about that?
Keep your pants on?

Speaker 4 (48:33):
He's convinced he's okay because he thinks his questions are
not as weird as the other dms you get, Lorena.

Speaker 12 (48:41):
I mean we could have a competition. I could post
that online.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
I don't know that. I want to look at your dms, don't.

Speaker 12 (48:46):
I don't want to see it be a little scary.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
You can only imagine what you're getting, especially on bikini days.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Okay, I tell your producer to knock it off. Pat
please come on. You're a big star. You don't need that.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
What's wrong with you? Bring your brain down.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Let's go to blind Scott, who's on the north in
the Boston Blind Scott, Hey, thanks.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
For taking the call.

Speaker 9 (49:03):
So I haven't talked to my dad in seven years,
and I talked to him yesterday. I had like a
very trying day yesterday where I just decided to lash
out at everybody. So I reached out to my dad
and I said very friendly to him. I said, you know,
in the past seven years, I've been every letter of
the LGBTQ alphabet. I was like, Dad, I'm gay. You
know I'm gay. And I said all this stuff about

(49:24):
being gay and stuff, and he never rolled me back,
but I could see he read all the messages. What
do you think the outcome is going to be this.
I'm going to take the questions off here. Thank you.

Speaker 12 (49:32):
I think he's just a little speechless.

Speaker 7 (49:34):
You know.

Speaker 12 (49:34):
It can be a lot to take in.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, yeah, maybe his phone got lost.

Speaker 12 (49:41):
Maybe he dropped it like the previous caller into the toilet.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
People get older, maybe things will change, who knows. JT.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
The wing Man says, I'm trying to help Fergdog find
a woman. Do they make capri pants? Or do do
capri pants look good on single men?

Speaker 3 (49:56):
That's from JT the Wingman.

Speaker 13 (49:57):
I love capris and if you have nice ankles, they
can look good on anything.

Speaker 12 (50:02):
And also you can turn any pair of pants into capries.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Ferd says, what's the Ferduces? What's the most romantic ride
at Disneyland?

Speaker 12 (50:10):
Oh, that's the hard It's got to be Pirate.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Pirates of the Car. Being the lighting so dark in there,
you could do mischievous really the restaurant.

Speaker 12 (50:17):
Or haunted mansion. But there's cameras on that one.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
There's cameras on the one they can see you. There's
cameras also on the Pirates of the Cara. There's cameras Disneyland,
there's cameras everywhere, a lot of cameras
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

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