Hour 2 - Down for the Count

Ben Maller talks about Joe Burrow going down with turf toe and if the Bengals can survive without him for three months, blaming the Bengals for not protecting Burrow with a better o-line, Jaguars Trevor Lawrence waiving off coach Liam Coen, Maller to the Third Degree, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ding Dong.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's our number two, our number two. We play the
thumbs up thumbs down game, thumbs up thumbs down. Can
the Bengals survive what looks to be three months without
MVP level quarterback Joe Burrow? We'll discuss that. Also, popular
opinion among apologists is to blame the Cincinnati front office

(00:24):
and ownership for not protecting Joe Burrow that led to
his injury, the offensive line not investing in it? Does
that one work for you? And what is your riyak
shan to the Jaguars Trevor Lawrence waving off dismissively his
coach Liam Kohne on the sidelines moments before his team
blew up and gave away the game to the Bengals.

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We'll talk about all that and more right now here.
It is our number two. Another week, another starting quarterback
in the NFL. Down for the count. Welcome in the
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I leave this hour from Cincinnati, where they had an
extra item on the menu there. At the Bengals game,

(02:20):
it was snap Crackle pop. As we follow the drama
of the there was some drama on the field. The
Bengals able to come back with their backup quarterback and
beat the Jacksonville football team. The story here, though, is
why they needed to put their backup quarterback in as
Joe Burrow popular pick by popular people, including yours truly,

(02:42):
to win the Most Valuable Player of the Year award.
You can tear that ticket up. If you've spent some
money on Joe Burrow winning the MVP, you can take
that and cut it up. You can burn it, you
can wipe your ass with it and flush it down
the toilet. Do whatever you want. It ain't happy. Joe
Burrow has suffered what we are told is a grade
three Go to web MD, go to the introweb eight.

(03:04):
Grade three turf toe injury. Oh my aching toe. Yeah,
So turf toe injury for Joe Burrow, which will require
surgery and we'll sideline him. Various reports of the overnight
say he'll be out for three months, at least three months,
the very minimum three months. So take the over on that. Wow.

(03:28):
All right, so let us discuss if you're unfamiliar with this,
the story here, the left toe of Joe Burrow mangled
during a sack by the Jacksonville football team. Happened in
the second quarter. Bengals did win the game thirty one
twenty seven, killing one of my bets by coming back
getting a LA touchdown. Not that I'm bitter about that.

(03:48):
They were three and a half point favorites. They won
by four. Not that that stings, but that's aside the
point we're talking about here. So the story is Joe
Burrow is injured toe and say he's gonna be out
three months if surgery is deemed necessary. Again, there are
difference of reporting overnight. Some say it's gonna happen, others
say not so much. But he is the franchise player.

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But if it's deemed necessary, he's expected to be out
again upprossimately three months, which is mid December, mid December,
and that's it. Burrow was seen in a walking boot
and he was on crutches after the game, so generally
not a good sign. Again, I didn't play in the NFL,
so I know Ryan Clark probably don't want to comment

(04:30):
on that, but generally he's not a good sign. When
you're starting quarterback is leaving on crutches in a booty.
That's not good. So does not look particularly the good
and that means that back up Jake Browning. Yep, that
guy will get the keys to the Bengals kingdom for
the time being. Here. Everyone writing them off at this point,

(04:52):
even though they came back to beat Jacksonville. Say well,
that's Brownie's not that good. So let us discuss question.
Assuming worst case scenario that Joe Burrow is dun skis
for the Bengals, that he has dined on snap crackle
pop thumbs up or thumbs down, thumbs up, thumbs down.
Can the Benals survive let's say three months without Joe Burrow?

(05:18):
All right, so I've got ups, Skittles, bag and meatball
hero and we'll combine all of these things together and
we are gonna put the biscuit in the basket, is
what we're going to do. So my first thought on
this is when you say survive, they're not gonna die.

(05:41):
But in terms of actually being competitive and in a
position to get in the playoffs, I'm gonna go no,
capital n no, and no they will not. Joe Burrow,
for better or worse, is the ben Goals. He is
the franchise. He got paid like the franchise, and they

(06:01):
just lost the steering wheel. So if you're driving along
and you lose your steering wheel, it's a problem. If
you're in the demolition derby and you lose your steering wheel,
it's a bigger problem. So you're telling me that Jake Browning,
who actually liked when he played a few years ago,
that Jake Browning is going to keep this GILOPI on
the road in Cincinnati because you know, at some point
the defense is going to completely unravel, like it's gonna

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just be tattered in Cincinnati. So you're gonna have to
score more points, and you're gonna have to throw the
ball more and Browning, the more you throw, the more interceptions,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it's a self
fulfilling prophecy. So this is a UPS special in honor
of our friend Tree in Chicago to UPS Special. What
can Browning do for you?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Now?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
What brown can do for you? What can Browning do
for you? Well, you can deliver interceptions. He'll throw some
touchdowns and that's it. Now you can sugarcoat this if
you want. I choose not to, but if you want
to sugarcoat it, you can. You can do that. All
you want. It is next man up, Suck it up.
All that stuff. The show must go on. Blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah. We've all heard the cliches. We've

(07:05):
all heard the cliches, But on this one, I just can't.
I can't go there, cannot do it, cannot do it. Uh?
And Burrow, is it the receiver that makes the court?
The quarterback of a quarterback that makes the receiver? Said, Well,
the Bengals have two absolute studs in Jamar Chase and
t Higgins as playmakers on offense. And that is true.

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And Browning is he gonna gonna use them to the
same degree that Burrow diedver? Burrows hadn't played great to
start the year here in the first couple of games
or so. It was terrible against Cleveland last week. So
what can Browning do for you? Well, what can he
do for you? Let's see, Well, he can put the
ball in the other team's hands, check that box. That's
what he can do. A lot, a lot of turnovers here,

(07:50):
hero ball one minute. He didn't win the game on
Sunday with a couple of plays late disaster the next though.
You know, he reminds me of the comp on Browning,
the backup for the The comp is like Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Ryan Fitzpatrick the Amish rifle without the beard and lacking charisma,

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Like if you had Ryan Fitzpatrick, you had him shave
and he had no charisma. There you go. So you're
telling me that in the AFC, a conference that has
Lamar Jackson in Baltimore, who's a great regular season player,
fraud in the playoffs, but great regular season player. Kansas
City is now zero and two. So you figure they

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most likely if he continued down this path, there're gonna
be a wild card team that's gonna be their path.
Although the AFC West will see what the Chargers do
against the Raiders tonight, and then you've got the Josh
Allen scenario in Buffalos. There's a couple of heavyweights in
the AFC, and Jake Browning is gonna keep you right

(08:51):
in the middle of that. Now, every time a quarterback
gets hurt, somebody said, what about Nick Foles? What about
Nick Foles? Okay, so that's once a generation thing spoiler alert,
that's already happened this generation. It's already happened to Nick
Foles thing. This generation. It's not a different generation, it's
the same generation. It's already happened. So if you think

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that Browning, can you know I'm not saying he can't
play well for a week or two, because usually it's
like the dead cat bounce, the dead cat bounce, where
the backup comes in and plays well and there's some
excitement there and teams rally around the backup quarterback. And
so I believe that's a legitimate thing. But long term,
if it's a three month situation, for a month, okay,
three months, forget about it, right, three months, it's like

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you know, you know, smoking smoking crack. If you think
that's gonna be the case, good luck on that. It's
not gonna end well. Now, page two. So, staying with
the theme of the Bengals, who did win and off
to the two and zero start here, The question is
popular opinion among popular people, the usual media apologists that

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can never end ever, ever blame the quarterback. It has
to be somebody else's fault. Has to be somebody else's fault.
So they don't want to blame Joe Burrow for being
culpable in the situation he's in Cincinnati. So instead they're like,
they're blaming the Bengals ownership for not protecting Joe Burrow,

(10:19):
that that's the issue there. And so they said, well,
you should have got in a better offensive line. That's
the main argument is that the Bengals did not do
a good enough job the front office and getting an
offensive line for Joe Burrow. So does that work for you?
Does that line of thinking work for you? So I'll
go first, and my reaction is stop, stop, drop and roll. Please.

(10:41):
No way. That is a cop out answer, is what
that is. And it makes me want to puke in
my mouth when I see that here. Joe Burrow himself lobbied.
He had a hissy fit. Burrow, he complained, I gotta
get my receivers. I need my pass catchers. He said, okay,
so fine. They went out and they got his pass catchers.

(11:02):
But he lobbied the ownership group in Cincinnati to dump
a quarter of the dreaded salary cap on Jamar Chase
and T Higgins. Gotta have them both, Gotta have them both.
Most people say, well, you get rid of T. Higgins,
you keep Jamar Chase. That's fine. No, no, no, Joe
Burrow such a diva. I need both these guys. I
need them both. So they kept them both. Okay, fine,

(11:24):
So I'm as much as salary cap truther as anyone.
The math is the math on that though, and certainly
with a tight watt ownership group like in Cincinnati. So
the Bengals were only gonna pay a few guys. Burrow
wanted them to pay Jamar Chase, and they wanted He
wanted them to pay t Higgins, so they did. Okay, fine,
So that's your luxury tax in shoulder pads right there.

(11:46):
So you paid the wide Outs, you got them the money,
and so that's on Joe Burrow. You're playing GM. Joe,
you're playing Lebron. You're the GM. You wanted these guys. Okay,
you got them, you got So let's not sugarcoat this.
There's no need to put frosting on it. It don't need
to do that.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Joe Burrow also is I'll see it quietly, injury prone.
Job Burrow is injury prone. I said that. If you
look at his medical chart, have you done this even
if you're blind, listen to the audio Joe Burrow his
injury chart. It looks like a Skittles bag with all

(12:27):
the different colors. Right picked your body part. You get
the green skittle for the ACL, the red skittle for
the MCL. Those who have been torn, you've got a
purple skittle for the finger dislocation. You can have the
blue skittle for the calf strand the yellow skittle for
the sprain, and now you can add the turf toe.
I don't even know what other colors are left, but
that's it. So he's the rainbow Warrior, not a Hawaii

(12:51):
rainbow Warrior, but a rainbow warrior of the training room.
That's who Joe Burrow is. That's it, and so congratulations.
He's the agile rock Burrow. And when he plays usually
it's pretty good. Not always, but usually pretty good. And
he misses a lot of times. So you can keep
selling Joe cool, this, that and the other thing. If

(13:11):
every season, every single season, he's on the operating table
in a gurney wearing one of those outfits in the
hospital with the wrist tag and the whole thing. By Halloween,
you are what your record says you are, we'd like
to say in these parts, and you are what your
record says you are. Joe Burrow's record is riddled. He's
got more MRIs than MVPs. How about that, more MRIs

(13:34):
than MVPs. That's what he's got. And oh, by the way,
by the way, if your quarterback is a Ferrari. Congratulations.
You might want to stop driving your Ferrari through potholes.
It generally does not go well. You'd call a tow truck,
and there's a lot of tow trucks there. The rims
get bent, the frame gets busted, the hood starts smoking,

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and that's pretty much the career of Joe Burrow since
all right, final point, dude, Jacksonville, we go the Jacksonville
side of things, the Jags on the losing side of
this game. I bring this up because rookie head coach
Liam Kohane in the middle of it, you talk about
being in the frying pan. He got into it during
the game with over raided Trevor Lawrence. I'm old enough

(14:20):
to remember that Trevor Lawrence at one point generationally all
time great player. You told me that tank for Trevor,
tank for Lawrence. And Trevor Lawrence has been in the
NFL a number of years now, and the only thing
he's good at is getting coaches fired. That's all he's
good at. The guy sucks Trevor Lawrence. So Trevor Lawrence.

(14:43):
Of course, Jacksonville blew the league because that's what they
do they lose late to Cincinnati and Trevor Lawrence, you'll
get the numbers away. He had three touchdowns, two interceptions. Anyway,
get to the point. So during the game the loss
to the Bengals on Sunday, there Trevor Lawrence was caught
on candid ca e waving dismissively waving off Liam Khne

(15:05):
after throwing a inaccurate pass on a crucial down late
in the game. Now, we're big on body language, and
you don't have to be a body language expert to
know this is not good. This is not good. This
is not good at all. Now, during that particular game,
Lawrence did not take kindly to the criticism from Liam Cohne,

(15:29):
the head coach there, as we said, and he did
not complete the pass where it needed to go. On
the very next play though, after failing to convert on
third down, the Jaguars went forward on fourth down, and
this time Trevor Lawnce did did connect as he hit
Brian Thomas Junior. One of the rare times Thomas caught

(15:50):
a pass as the highly decorated Decorator wide receiver not
very good, not very good, targeted twelve times, only caught
four passes and I didn't play in the NFL. I
don't think that's good. I don't think that good. That's good.
But the story here is the interaction between the quarterback
and the coach and the fact that they ended up

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losing the game later on, blew the lead in that game.
So what is your reaction, What is your reaction to
the Jaguars Trevor Lawrence dismissively waving off his head coach
Liam Kohne on the sidelines. All right, so this is
not nothing. The only reason this clown, Liam Khne douve
All County, the only reason this guy has a job

(16:34):
is to fix Trevor Lawrence. Like he is there, not
the coach, the entire roster. He is there because he's
like the next in the lineage of nerds. Liam Kohne
is like the new hot nerd. He's the centerfold nerd, right,
and so you've got the hottest nerd around Liam Khne.
You know, he was with the Rams, the McVeigh tree,

(16:56):
and then he had a falling down, and then he
went to college and they went to Tampa and then
he had success with Baker Mayfield. So he's like the
sexiest nerd around, and he was hired to fix Trevor Lawrence.
So here they are, it's the second game of the season,
and they are at loggerheads. They are at loggerheads on
the sidelines. That is not just heat of the moment.

(17:19):
That's not like heat of the moment stuff. And all
I said that is body language. Divorce court is what
that is. Right. The quarterback just told his brand new
head coach that was hired for him, get lost, pal,
get a lot of dope, get out of here. It's bad.
That's bad, all right. That was with the lead. They

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had the lead at that time. You got Trevor Lawrence,
who cantankerous when he's ahead in the game. What's gonna
happen when they play Kansas City in a couple of
weeks or whatever. They're down by two scores, how's that
gonna go? The sideline is going to look like Jerry
Springer back in the day. I'm all there for it.
I'm there for it. It's contentious and you would you

(18:04):
would see or you could see Liam Cahen the coach
there pounding his chest like a gorilla and keep it low, Trevor,
keeper low Trevor like that, and then Lawrence basically said,
shut up, you meet ball hero, you nerd and meet
ball Sandwich. Get out of here. You lose her. So
and anyone. Every time there's a sideline brujja, people bring up, well,

(18:24):
Tom Brady got into it with Josh McDaniels, he got
into it with Bill Belichick. And that's true, that is
absolutely true. But that did not start happening until Brady
had established himself as good. He wasn't doing that when
he when people thought he sucked, which was the first
two years of his career, they thought he was a
fraud and was not legit. And then after a certain
period of time, people were like, well, Tom Brady's legit,

(18:46):
the real deal, all that stuff, So you don't do that.
Laurence stinks. Does anyone think he's good under his family fix?
He's good, He's terrible. He's a highly overrated. He got
the big contract because Jacksonville's got low self esteem the
franchise as a joke. They paid the guy without earning
the contract because they were afraid they had, oh my god,

(19:06):
we're gonna lose him, you know, fear of missing out
fo mo, and so they paid him all right, But
if the quarterback is not there with the coach and
is not good. So Lawrence is not good and he's
not there, doesn't respect the coach. Keep an eye on this.
This is a it's a tinderbox situation in Jacksonville. It is.

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If they're bickering like this on camera, they know the
cameras are on them all the time. When you're in
the NFL game, there's cameras all the time. There's twenty
cameras in an NFL game. They're all focused mostly on
the quarterback and the coach. And you know you're on
camera and you're doing that during the game. Okay with
I'm not gonna say millions because it's Jaguars game, but
you know, fifty people watching, So you have fifty people

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watching and imagining the kind of squabbling that must be
going on behind closed doors. The thing about it, let's
be having now here's Liam Cohen, the head coach of
the Jaguars, trying to downplay shocking, trying to downplay what
happened with his quarterback.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Take all, listen, it was just one throw. I was
just you know, it is what it is. It's not
that's emotion, it's not personal. Ever, what a bet you know,
that's just kind of me getting worked up. So he
threw a dime in the back of the end zone
and it'll make a play.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
You know, he was.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
I was very pleased with his competitive nature, the ways
he come on the sidelines, that he doesn't get you know,
he's pretty even keel, which is good for me.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I need that. Let me clear my throat here, bull crap,
excuse me, I'm sorry about that. Uh yeah, come on, please.
You know what it looked like. It looked like a
father yelling at his teenage son to clean your room, dude,
ball pick it up, Trevor, and then Trevor slams the

(20:55):
door right in your face, right in your face. It's
not exactly leadership, not respect. Would have been funny if
the coach had come out and said, oh, yeah, yeah,
we hate each other. We gotta work together. We can't
stand each other. He hates me. He thinks I'm a nerd.
I think he's highly overrated. He's gonna get me fired
Trevor Lawrence. Now that would be funny. But what a mess.

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So he got the quarterback who's like, this guy's a dork,
and my coach is a dork, and Cohen's not not
only no of these nerd guys, no of the nerds.
Just like in Miami, right, you got great ex's and
those guy, but no leadership skills. That generally does not
end very well in that business. That does not end well.
You need the alpha, not the omega. He's an omega

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and not an alpha. And that's a problem. That is
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Bronco fan, that's a Bronco fan. Epic lost there by
the Denver Broncos, and we will continue on over there

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back back to it.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
So upset.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I don't see any any Bronco gears today, No Bronco
even hot at No, I don't see that. I can't
see anything. You just I see the top of your head.
I can't see any other than that. You would see
a look of disappointment. Ben, Really he just looks. Well,
that's like that should be two long. You look, Daniel Jones.
Great officiating in that game, right, Coop, Yeah, yeah, fantastic,
good good job by the reft. You want to make

(24:27):
sure the Colts got off the start there they're doing it, Coop. Course, yes, Cooper,
it's like that game. Well, I mean you didn't give
up four hundred and seventy yards off. I mean you
admit that the defense was lacking. Coop, You've told me

(24:48):
the Broncos defense canna be pretty good.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Here.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
There's not not not a great defensive performance. You agree
with you, No, it wasn't. It wasn't great. But okay,
that game was over, Well, it was over until the
REFE decided it wasn't over, and then it went over.
Would you like to comment on the officiating, coop the
quality of the officiating. He almost did right there. You
almost did what you would like to say, and that's it.
It was garbage. Yeah, all right, Mark, the full name

(25:14):
guy says it must really suck to be you. You
have your dream job and you are a degenerate gambler
who hates the monotony of sitting in front of a
TV and complains about the gambling losses every Sunday. No,
I don't complain about my gambling losses on Sunday. Mark.
That's your reality, Mark, and you might want to get
a therapist and work out your issues. You're putting that

(25:37):
in my world, whether I win or lose, I come
in here the same mantra attack, attack, attack, hack. Yeah,
that's my matra. If I win, you wouldn't know whether
I want or loss because I come in here and
just start attacking. Ferg Dog, says Ben. Could it be
argued that the twenty twenty five UCLA Bruins are the

(25:58):
worst team ever assembled? Getting blown out by New Mexico
and an empty Rose Bowl over the weekend is a
new level of embarrassing. UCLA belongs in the Trinity League,
not the Big Ten. We're not talking college football for
a dog, Although that was I watched that game on
was that Friday night, Holy Canoli Man. I actually did

(26:19):
in my younger days, I did Ucla bruin postgame talk
on the radio, and I actually did it. When they
had a chance to play for the national championship, they
had a makeup game against the Miami Hurricanes. There was
a game was postponed because of a hurricane. Miami wasn't
very good at that time, but they had a running
back named Eddrin James who rained through UCA. That game

(26:39):
was such a disaster. Ucla had a I think it
was a seventeen point lead in that game. The FBI
investigated that game for point shaving. They thought they thought
UCLA threw the game in the fourth quarter. They investigated it.
I thought gambling was involved. It was that bad. But
it sad. It saddens me to see that the UCLA
football is sopathetic. And buddy of mine, who's a big

(27:02):
college football fan, he was like, hey, you know, there's
probably more people at that modern day. Modern Day is
a big powerhouse high school in Orange County. It's probably
more people at that modern day game than they're at
the at the game UCLA is playing that. I said, well, yeah,
there's more big ten quality players at modern day high
school than there are at UCLA. So it's like, oh,

(27:22):
all right. Femi rights in from Minnesota says, been any
monologue you do on Trevor Lawrence is ten stars. His
story has to be one of the great mysteries and sports.
What happened to him? He was supposed to be ten
times better than Tom Brady. Yeah, well, the problem is
he had to then go out and play the game.
That's the problem. And Miguel on Fire says, what can
brown do for you? Brown? Brown has me driving? They're

(27:45):
beautiful brown rigs. Oh that is a good looking rig though,
that is brig clean. Now it's a good looking solid absolutely.
All rightlet's go to the phones. We'll say hello to Larry,
who's in the align. I state, what's going on? Larry? Welcome?
What's going on? Welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
You haven't talked about the fraud that is the Chicago Bears.
I've got two questions for you.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh, no, the Bears. Now, the Bears won the off season.
You'd admit they won the off season.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, they've won the off season for the last several years.
I got two questions for you, though, Man, he's the
worst football team in the NFL, and why is it
the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
The most embarrassing team is the Chicago Bears because they
allowed JJ McCarthy last week, who looks like he has
no idea what he's doing for one quarter to look
like vintage Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. And then this
game when you'd think, right, just logically, going in this game,
you would assume the position that the one team the

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Bears have an advantage on is the is the Lions.
Because your coach knows everything about the Lions offense anyway,
because he coached all those guys and they get they
go out there and they get their lunch handed to them.
It's it's ridiculous. I got that game. If in fact
that that wasn't even close. You gave up fifty two

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points to the Lions, I'll tell you I was on fire.
I'd fire them right now if I coached that team.
That's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
It was very embarrassing. I have been a Bears fan
since the three headed quarterback Avelini SIPs Evans days and uh.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That's old school. You're going you're going to old school
on that one. Yeah, like the.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
School they knocked down to build old school on Jesus.
I'm more. I just would like more Bears fans and
more people to call out the propaganda that they put
out to Bears fans for the last twelve years about
this great Bears tradition. There's great Bears tradition. Unfortunately most

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of it happened before they invented computers. For the last
twelve years, the Great Bear tradition is winning six games
a year for the most part.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, well we have a Bear fan. Well no, no,
I hear you. Listen. You're a real fan, and I
appreciate dead because you, unlike these other fans. See, you're
to me, you're a legit fan because you're critical. That's
what a real fan does. A real fan like I
get these guys, these new fans, they drive me nuts.
They call up I'm sure you've heard them. They're like, oh,
we're bad, but we're gonna be okay. They're trying, the
boys are trying. I'm like, no, that's not that's not

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how any of this works.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
No.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
You celebrate success and when teams aren't going well, you
criticize that's what you do, Soltly.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
A little fact for you, Ben, since the interception in
the Minnesota game, the Bear offense has been scored outscored
seventy three to twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Great moments in Chicago Bears history right there. How about this?
Did I see that stat that CAPB Williams is last
eleven starts as the Bears are one to ten his
last eleven starts. I think I saw that somewhere.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's embarrassing that that sounds about right. The difference to
people aren't haven't noticed this much, especially in the Chicago
meaning among Bears fans online is that the Lions simply
have more talent. Their offensive line has been they have
a better running game, and the Bears defense isn't as
good as people were led to believe.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, see to me, even that's a cop out. Clearly,
obviously Lions have more talent, but you can make up
for that with coaching. You shouldn't get manhandled like the
Chicago Bears got manhandled. Right, That's that's a lack of effort.
That is a lack of coaching. So it's a combination
of those things.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, the Lions, you beat me, You beat me to
the last point on that man with the coaching he's
I was saying in the offseason. Yeah, he's good, but
he's not quite the genius that some people are making
him out to be.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, he's got a lot of friends in the meeting.
He must be very debonair with the media. A lot
of these coordinators. I remember Robert Salah who got the
Jets job. Oh, every NFL announcer licked his toes. They
loved Robert sala They thought he was the greatest thing.
Or because I'm sure he's a very nice guy and
he's you know, kind of them in their meetings, and
he's polite, and he's probably a life of the party
and all that stuff. Great storyteller. Guy can't coach his

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way out of a wet paper bag. But other than
that fine. Uh But like when I said, well, when
somebod says, wow, they're just more talented, that stuff drives
me nuts too, because, yeah, if you said the more talented,
why even watch the games? If just the more talent
team is gonna win? You know, what's the point of
watching any of this? Like just just okay, that team's
more talented, they're gonna win the game. That's it. Why
haven't bother watching? So anyway, we'll think. I appreciate that thing.

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I like your You're disgusting the Bears. Call any time
to yell about the Bears. I'm here for you.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I sure will for calling me a good fan.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
By the way, I appreciate that. Listen because I'm I'm
I'm dealing with a lot of the younger fans who
were not raised like us. They were raised to make excuses.
I drives me insane.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
So I feel you there, man, All right.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Take care, all right, there you go. There you go,
our friend Jay. We have Malardly thirty. I gotta take
another call though, any Meani, miney Moe. Let's go to
Chad in Pensacola. What's going on? Chad? Welcome? Hello, Chad.
It's a it's a hanging Chad right there. Yes, I
can I can hear you now?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, yes, perfect.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
I just wanted to call up and say perfect Sunday.
I'm a Chargers fans sall Denver lose, sal Kansas City lose.
And I just want to make the point of how
relaxing a Sunday is stress free when you don't have
to watch your team play, because we played Monday night.
I just got to watch all the football without the

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stress of my own team.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
That makes sense, Yeah, until you watch Gino Smith throw
for three touchdowns against your defense, and then you can
be a little sick.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
It's going to be asking gent. He's going for a
bucks thirty.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
The Chargers are going to win thirty four twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Oh, oh, okay, they're gonna cover the spread. You sure
about that?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Eh? All right?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I got you. Oh listen, you're very good and you're
a Charger fan in Pensacola. I didn't know that existed.
I had no idea shot.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I grew up on perfect age.

Speaker 7 (33:52):
Philip Rivers is the greatest quarterback of all time.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Oh there you go. Okay, now it makes sense, all right.

Speaker 7 (33:58):
Get him in the Hall of Fame, first ballot. He's
better than Eli Manning.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
He is better than Eli Manning. I agree with you
on that. I don't know that he's a Hall of Famer,
but I wouldn't put Eli Manning in the Hall of
Fame either, So, but he definitely would rather have Philip
Rivers than Eli Manning. I agree with you on that.
That's a proper take, all right. I gotta I gotta go.
Thank you. It is the Ben Mahler Show. Time now
for the Insta trivia. So mac Jones has joined Nick
Mullins and Blank as the only three quarterbacks in Niners

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history to throw for two hundred and fifty plus yards,
three touchdowns or more and no interceptions in their first
start with the team. Mac Jones joining Nick Mullins and
Blank the only Niners quarterbacks they have two hundred and
fifty plus yards, three plus touchdowns and no interceptions in
their first start with the team. That's the Insta trivia.
The answer, We'll get to it. We will do it next.

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All right back to it time now for the Insta trivia,
And here it is. Mac Jones joined Nick Mullins and
Blank is the only three quarterback By the way, how
bad are the Saints? Mac Jones showed Nick Mullins and

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Blank is the only three quarterbacks in forty nine Ers
history to have thrown two hundred and fifty plus yards,
three plus touchdowns no interceptions in their first start with
the team. That is the question. What is the answer?
Let's see does anyone know the answer? Rod Serling from
Bobby in Florida at a running with Rod the other day?
Who we have marked the full name?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Guess by Mallard prop Guy? Who else? Colin Kaepernick from
Miguel on Fire? This is good photo of Colin. Mike
Francessa from Scrooge. Who else? Page down CJ's Sunshine Bethard
from Rob the goat Man. That's his answer, the Cryptler.
Ray Stevens from Andy and Lionel Lakes, Minnesota, Roade Dog,
Jesse James from King from the King Rory, Who else?

(36:22):
Page down? Steve Spurrier from econ Roseville, Minnesota, Terry in
England from just Josh, Jimmy g from Polly D. Fran
Tarkington from Femy, Steve McQueen from JT the wing Man.
What say you, Loraina? Jeff Garcia? All right, no, very
crisp answer, but that's incorrect. The answer is Matt Cavanaugh
back in nineteen eighty four. Matt Cavanaugh, It's Mallard. How

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about that?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
To the third degree, this is one big ben gets
grilled cool Loo.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
Texas fans are starting to turn on arch Manning. As
the Longhorn struggled in the first half against the UTEP,
they boot him boom.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Texas was like a six touchdown favorite and ended up
winning by only seventeen. Benet's still early, But do you
think Manning has already lost his projected number one draft status?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
All right, So, first of all, I look at Arch
Manning the same way I look at J. J. McCarthy.
Both of them were spoon fed Arch Manning. How many
is two years? Three years? He's already been in Austin.
JJ McCarthy last year off. You cannot struggle against San
Jose State and s. Those are show up win domin
eight games. It's embarrassing. Now he's still got the Manning name,

(37:32):
so I'm not going to close the door that Arch
Manning will be a top pick in the draft. But
it's not looking good. He looks like he doesn't know
what he's doing. It's embarrassing. I thought the guy was
gonna be good. He sucks.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Next, it was reported over the weekend that the Baltimore
Ravens were set to take Shadur Sanders ahead of the Browns,
but that Sanders got word of the team that he
did not want to be taken by Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Do you think that was the right move by Shador, Well,
let's see, he's the third string quarterback on the Cleveland Browns,
one of the worst teams in the NFL. He's really
the four string quarterback because that report over the weekend
said he doesn't even run the scout team, that Bailey
Zappi runs the scout team like you're not good enough,
You're not Hello. Of course it was not the right move.

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Do something other than live off your daddy's last name.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Next, Carmelo Anthony was inducted into the Pro Basketball Hall
of Fame on Saturday, but it said that Melo won't
have his number retired by anyone, Ben, do you think
that'll be the case.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, they hate him in Denver because he screwed over
the Nuggets. He wasn't that great with the Knickerbockers. So
who else is he good? I don't know. Is there
anyone else that can retire his number? Like Carmelo was
put up a lot of points. There's the definition of
a stat Bandito Carmelo Anthony. That guy total fraud. All right,
how do we do? Kobolo? You pass, I run the guy.

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I won my Cheeprican, I won the game. Stucker