August 6, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian Noe talks about Jalen Hurts placement on a list of QBs that impact the point spread the most and why he's still being overvalued, Coop & LaReina bust out their lyrical skills in some karaoke, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, what is going on? Happy early morning hours to
you over here. So a couple of quarterbacks were in
the news today and it caught my attention. One's a
big name and one's basically a no name now, but
I think both stories are interesting for very different reasons.
So the first thing I saw was, I think it's
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part of Yahoo's newsletter, right They They've got a Yahoo
Sports newsletter, and in it, I believe, this morning, they
had this little blurb about Ben Fox. So he works
for Yahoo's Sports and he covers a lot of sports
betting stuff. And so what Ben did? He asked twelve
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odds makers. He's asking these twelve odds makers, what's the
difference in the point spread between the starting quarterback playing
or the backup playing? Right, and you're playing at home
against the league average team. What's the difference between Josh
Allen Bill's quarterback and his backup playing. What's the difference
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in the point spread between Patrick Mahomes or the backup
quarterback playing? And so he asked all these these twelve
odds makers, and then he took all twelve different against
the spread values and he averaged them together and then
ranked the starting quarterbacks right, in terms of how much
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does each quarterback impact the point spread? Okay, and so
the top came up with the top ten, and one
of the guys in the top five. I just raised
my hand like, wait, what really are you serious about this?
So number one in terms of impacting the point spread
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the most? These twelve odds makers, they went with Josh Allen,
Bill's quarterback just under seven points against the spread. That's
what he means, they think, I think, oh, Josh Allen's out. Okay,
this is gonna move the point spread a good seven points.
There's gonna be a seven point impact. Patrick Mahomes just
like a shade under where Josh Allen was. They have
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Mahomes second, Lamar Jackson third, Jalen Hurts fourth, Joe Burrow fifth.
They have Jalen Hurts affecting the point spread six point
three points. I got a question for you. Do you
think Jalen Hurts impacts the point spread by six plus points?
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Do you think that's the case. I don't think that's
the case at all. Do you think that's the case.
The reason I don't think that's the case it's because
look at the supporting cast. Look at what Jalen Hurts
did last season? Do you realize I didn't realize. I
went back and I'm like, what were Jalen Hurts stats
last year? What was touchdowns and interceptions? Just as like
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a reference point, you know, what do you think it was?
How many touchdown passes do you think Jalen Hurts threw
last season? Eagles won a super Bowl? Eventually? Right? How
many touchdown passes for Jalen Hurts last season? Eighteen? As
the eighteen touchdown passes five interceptions. What happened with the
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Eagles offense? Well, Sakuon Barkley went freaking crazy over two
thousand yards rushing. Didn't even play every game in the
regular season, still rush for over two thousand yards. It
was unbelievable in the playoffs. Now, I'll tell you this
with Jalen Hurts, and this is on the positive side.
I think how people get it twisted with Jalen Hurts
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is that he's played great in the two biggest football games.
We got like he played great in the biggest stage
that we have in football, which is the Super Bowl.
He played great in two Super Bowls. One they lost,
one they won, they split with the Chiefs. But he
played great in both of them. And so I think
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we look at Hurts and it's like, wow, you know,
super Bowl MVP. Here he is. He's knighted. You know
you just touched the shoulders with the sword. He's knighted.
He's legit. He affects the points spread by six points,
whether he's in or out. That's no, he doesn't like Again,
look at the supporting cast, best offensive line in football.
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He's got aj Brown, Davonte Smith, Dallas Goddard to throw to.
He's got Saquon Barkley in the backfield rushing for over
two thousand yards last season. He had a defense that
was second best in points, giving up the second best
scoring defense in football last season. And you think Jalen
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Hurts means six points as far as the point spread goes, Like, Listen,
there are odds makers that are way better at this
stuff than I am. I'm not here like banging the
table like I'm the guru of all things sports betting
or making the odds. You know, I'm not saying that
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at all. But what I am telling you is they
got that wrong. I know enough to say they have
that completely wrong. And I don't want to make it
sound like Jalen Hurts is just this dime a dozen quarterback.
He's a talented guy. But look, man, you put Jalen
Hurts on the Tennessee Titans this year with a ragtag
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supporting cast, there's no way, like literally no chance he's
impacting the point spread that much game in game out.
He's a good player, he's not on that level and
that's what this is telling me. He's on that level
with like josh Allen Mahomes Burrow. No, he is not.
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He's a guy who threw eighteen touchdown passes last season.
You know the truth about Jalen Hurts, I'll give it
to you. The truth about Jalen Hurts is that he's
played great twice in the most important game and people
have blown that out of proportion. That's really what's happened.
And you could sit here and be like, Brian, it's
the Super Bowl. What do you mean we're blowing it
out of proportion. It's the biggest stage. But at the
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end of the day, it's a game and he's played
great twice. Did we do that with Eli Manning? Eli
Manning has the most famous play in Super Bowl history
with the David Tyree catch. Where he threw the ball
up for grabs it they beat the undefeated Patriots, and
the second time against the Patriots, he had one of
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the best deep ball completions to marry O Manningham on
the sideline. So we give Eli his props for the
Super Bowl wins, but we're like, yeah, he's really not
a Hall of Fame quarterback. He's gonna get in. We
all know he's gonna get in, but he's really not
a Hall of Fame quarterback. So Eli played really well
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on the biggest stage against an undefeated team that was
eighteen and oh going for nineteen and oh right, and
he beat Tom Brady and the Patriots twice. We give
him his flowers, but we keep it. We consider the context.
We don't blow it out of proportion. But with Jalen Hurts,
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we just blow it completely out of proportion. He's played great,
but he does not impact the points spread by six
point three points between him and the backup, No way,
no chance. Man Like that to me is saying forget
about the team he's on. He's that special. He could
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do that with basically any team. And that's just not
the case that Jalen Hurts. He's a quarterback that's good,
but he has some shortcomings. He has some warts. He
throws the ball in the wrong place a lot of times,
a lot of times, he misreads the coverage. I don't
have him as a top ten quarterback. I know it
sounds like I'm just trashing the guy. I'm really not.
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I think he's good. I just don't think he's top ten.
I don't think he impacts the game on a top
ten level. I think that his supporting cast is so
special that it's helped him out a ton compared to
vice versa. I don't think he helps the sporting cast
out as much as the supporting cast helps him out.
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I don't think that's unfair at all. I'm not telling
you the guy can't play at all. I just think
he's the Black Brock Party. I think it's basically it
in terms of the supporting cast meaning that much to
what he does individually. I think Purty and you know,
Jalen Hurts, they're the Spider Man meme. They're just pointing
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at each other right, like they greatly have benefited over
the years from upper echelon supporting casts. And I look,
I think there's a way to tell Like again, when
you look at some of these league leaders, go look
at Lamar Jackson's numbers and compare him to Jalen Hurts.
It's not even freaking close. Look at Josh Allen's numbers,
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mahomes numbers throughout the years. Again, So Jalen Hurts, he's
been the starting quarterback for the last four years. He
hasn't exceeded twenty three touchdown passes. This is it, like,
from most touchdown passes in a season to least twenty three,
twenty two, eighteen sixteen. He's got two seasons where he
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didn't even throw for twenty touchdown passes. And you think
that he affects the point spread. He's fourth in the
hierarchy of impacting the point spread. No way, not even close, man,
not even remotely close. I could go with the a
lot of these top guys. Let me go, Okay, here
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we go. Let's go with Joe Burrow touchdown passes per season. Now,
some of this is he's been banged up, but when
he's played a full season, right, he played seventeen last season,
two other seasons with sixteen starts. Okay, here's here's Joe
Burrow's passing touchdowns in order to you know, most to
least forty three thirty five, thirty four. Now, he's got
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a lot of talent around him, Jamar Chase T. Higgins.
That's a great one two combo to throw two. But
forty three thirty five thirty four. Jalen Hurts. He wakes
up dreaming about thirty four touchdown passes in a season,
and he was like, I didn't believe it. When I
was dreaming it, I knew it was a dream. This
is unrealistic type stuff over here, right, Like, come on,
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what are we doing here? Let me go to Let's
go to another guy. Let's just do stats on the
fly over here, right, let's go with let me look
at Josh Allen. I'm curious, all right, Let's look at
his touchdowns per season, just touch down throws. Forget about
all the rushing touchdowns as well. Okay, here we go. Now,
he's been very durable. He's been a starting quarterback for
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two for seven years now, he's had six of those
seasons playing at least sixteen games. Okay, so let's see
an order thirty seven, thirty six, thirty five, twenty nine,
twenty eight, twenty He's every year he's at least twenty
touchdown passes. Three of those years he's in the mid thirties,
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and you get all the rushing yards, all the rushing
touchdowns on top of that, Like, come on, what this idea?
Come on, dude, that's ridiculous. Again. I don't want to
make Jalen Hurts this sound like he's, you know, he
sucks or something. I'm not saying that you can't suck
and play that great in two Super Bowls. You can't.
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So he clearly does not suck. But his supporting cast is,
you know, a luxury Cadillac. It is pristine. It is
an awesome supporting cast. And to think that he's doing
this on a squad with a lesser supporting cast or
a bad supporting cast, forget about. It ain't happening man.
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And it shows you how little he has to do
when you can rattle off those numbers per season. Again,
like two of the four years where he's been the
full time starter, he hasn't reached twenty touchdown passes eighteen
and sixteen. Come that's ridiculous, man, I just I don't
buy that at all. Don't buy it. I don't have
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him as a top ten quarterback. I certainly don't have
him as a top five quarterback in terms of impacting
the point spread between the starter and the backup quarterback.
That's that's ridiculous, is what I would say. But feel
free to check in eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox is your number? Let me see one last one
before we move it along. I just want to see
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with Lamar here, if you look at Lamar, Lamar puts
up numbers man like. Look at what Lamar has done
where he's had some seasons throwing touchdown passes. It's been
a mixed bag with Lamar. He does have a couple
of seasons under twenty touchdown passes as well, but he's
also giving you forty one last year. And we're not
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talking rushing touchdowns either, just passing touch not rushing yards.
Everything that he brings to the table running the football
forty one touchdown passes, thirty six touchdown passes, twenty six,
twenty four, seventeen to sixteen. So he had a lull
in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. But bro
on the high side, what honest question, what do you
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think the chances are that Jalen hurts who threw eighteen
touchdown passes last season, throws for thirty six touchdown passes
or forty one touchdown passes this season like Lamar did
last season. There's no chance there's zero chants because they
don't rely on him that much, and also because he's
not as good as Lamar Jackson is, at least in
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the regular season putting up big numbers. He's not that guy.
So no, I don't buy that he affects the points
spread that much. Do not buy it whatsoever? What do
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
I'm Brian no In for Big Ben Malor here on
Fox Sports Radio. That is a random music question I have.
So you're playing a Summertime by Will Smith? What songs
do you think you know all the lyrics to?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I mean it's something off the top of your Is
there one that it comes to your mind? Cooper Loraina,
do you say I know every single line of this song?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Fer delicious.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Okay, that's the one, all right. Sure you think you
know every.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Single line, single word?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Okay, Coop, you I swear if you go with Tool again?
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Man, well, yes, I mean obviously there's plenty of Tool songs.
I'd say, uh, almost every song on uh the Oh
my god, I'm blanking on the album name the Eminem's album.
Not the Marshall Mathers LP. But the one that came
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out in like two thousand. Why am I blanking on
the name of it?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Encore?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
No, the one before.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
That, the Closet one.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Why Why am I the Marshall Mathers LP.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
No, No, No, the Slim Shae No, the eminem Show.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Oh okay, so you know that one, like Front and Back.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
I'm like, plenty of songs on that album. I would
know all the lyrics to all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, man, I just I don't know. I just think
about that with well, I thought about that song with
Will Smith, and then I thought about, you know, like
the Fresh Prince of bel Air, and I probably know
most of that one still is just as stuck in
my brain, you know. But every now and then you'll
see someone do karaoke and they think they know the
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song and they get up there and they know like
twenty five percent of the song.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
You know, different when the pressure is on you too.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. But especially for rap songs, Coop, Like,
there are so many lyrics in a rap song where
there's there's not one line where you're like, oh shoot,
I forgot that one. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I'm pretty sure I could do cleaning out my closet.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Uh, we should do that. Can we play it? And
you just say what he says?
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Let me pull up my closet song, hold.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
On the closet song. Let's try it. Let's see if
you really do know this or not, Coop, I.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Don't want to do this.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Come on, we're not going to use this against you.
That wouldn't be like I think you. I think you
got a fighting chance, but you know, I'm skeptical. There
are just so many lyrics and you got to know
them on time. You know, it's not easy.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
Are you guys ready?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We're ready? You ready? Coop? That's the question. You know,
you don't have to do your eminem impression. You have
to say it.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
You know, where's my snare? I've got no snare on
my headphones. Ah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I didn't know you're gonna get that right too, mad,
you're a top of it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Have you ever been hated or discriminated against?
Speaker 8 (19:17):
I have.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I've been protested and demonstrated against. Picket signs for my
wicked rhymes. Look at the signs. Stick of the mind.
Off the mother kid that's behind all this commotion. The
emotion run deepest oceans, exploding tempers, flamoring from parents. Just
blow them off and keep going, not taking nothing from
no one, give them how long and some breathing, keep
kicking nass in the morning and taking names in the evening.
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The taste of sour is vinegar in they mouth. So
they can trigger me, but you'll never figure me out.
Look at me now, I bet you're probably sick of me. Now,
ain't your mama. I'm gonna make you look so ridiculous?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Now?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Pretty good? Pretty good? Okay, bad?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
All right, all right, go the high batting average right there.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Yeah, and one part I just ran out of breath.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I don't blame you, dude. Yeah, Like next, you're gonna
do like the really hard part of rap. God, you
know where he's doing.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Yeah, No, I can't.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I can't do that, good luck. That's pretty good man.
There's just I'm just saying a lot of lyrics, a
lot of stuff, like a lot of opportunities to forget
a line or a word.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That's pretty good, Coop. I think you're nicely done.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Yeah, man, I'm glad I remember these lyrics.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Especially on the spot like that ten out of.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Ten, Coop, because like Metallica is sort of like our
common ground, right Coop, A lot of it. And I'm
telling you, there are a lot of songs that, you know,
I would think I would know every lyric, and I
guarantee you that's wrong.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Oh yeah, same for me with with Metallica too, And
I guarantee you there are certain songs where I think
I know the lyric and that's not the lyric at all. Yeah,
I'm like I'm singing some and completely wrong.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It happens a lot. Well, you know me, I'm a
metal guy primarily, not only not solely, but primarily, and uh,
you know, I'll be on Spotify and every now and
then I'll just click on the lyrics and I'll like
follow them along and I'm like, hold, I did I was?
I was wrong this whole time. I've listened to that
song hundreds of times, and I never bothered to just
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check if I was right or not. And I was
saying something that was wrong the whole time. Yeah, welcome
to metal. You know who knew that could happen? But yeah,
I like that. Well, so what's the next one, Lorrainer?
What was the song that you mentioned? We carry yoking?
That one too delicious?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
If the world needs come on, what are we waiting
for here?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Oh, how the.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Man tables have turned?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, as much, you know, fire for this experiment? He Loreena. No, well,
maybe a little bit later. I just don't want I
don't want you to be practicing, and you know I'll
be back, Coop. I got to run in the bathroom
real fast and you're just practicing.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Okay, hold on, I'll just I'll just do it.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Hold on, okay, all right, all right, very good.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
This was like middle school days for me, like out
on the school yard.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I want to hear, you know, cleaning up my closet
the karaoke version next time you're on stage, Coop. That
was very well done.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Oh this scares me?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Are there a lot of cuss words in this one, Lorena,
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Hold on, this is a horrible version of for Delicious.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, you got to be in your zone.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
Year.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
It's not going to work.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
She already got a hint on the first couple of lyrics.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
No, no, his part is not my part.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Al right, that's right for sure.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
So you don't know every lyric to the song. Just
just fergies.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Yeah, you know that's the part, right, Okay. Listen, y'all, Chris,
this is it.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
Don't be slicious for delicious definition, make them boys go local,
they so they get them pleasures from my photo.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
You can see me you kiss please me.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I'm easy, I sleacy.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
I know reasons why some boys just come and go
like seasons for Delicious.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Look at this.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
You a sin If you are suspicious, all that is fictitious.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I'll blow kisses. That puts them boys on rock.
Speaker 9 (23:44):
Rock and they be lying down the block just to
watch what I got.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, look at the talent on this show. My gosh.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Technically I technically did mess up on the first part
because I started singing the second verse instead of the
first one.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
But they're both.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Great, guys are so under paid.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Until it gets to the fast part, more impressive.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, that's I want to hear that.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
The round always looking at me up and down, looking
at I just want to say you now, I am
trying to round up drum a little mama. I don't
want to take a man, and I know I'm coming
off just a little bit conceited, and I keep on
repeating how the boys want to eat up. But I'm
trying to tell that it can't be treated like clientele
because they say she delicious, vicious.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It made me think of the part in the movie
where the Miller's you know, that comedy with Jason Skis.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
And they like pay people to be his family so
they ca yeah, yeah, right, yes, the border.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But the boy in like the fake family knows waterfalls
like way too much, and everyone's looking at him like,
what the hell does he know? All all these lyrics?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That's what it made me think of. But very nicely done.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Wow, I think it's only fair. It's your turn.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, I throw in some lamb of God for me
real fast, that's the thing, because it won't sound right
if I'm just like literally saying because I can't. I
can't do Coop's metal voice. Like Coop he greets me
every time and you can attest to this Lorrena whenever
I chime in, right like I connect for the fill
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in shift and Coop will just be like, what in
this metal voice?
Speaker 7 (25:24):
And I'm like, it's perfect, Coop.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You need to be on stage somewhere. Man, that is
so metal right there. I like, I can't sing like that.
I can't do that like from the throat type stuff.
I can't yell like that.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I don't know how long I would be able to
do it for. Like you know, I say, I say,
what up?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But yeah, great job that. Yeah, I don't know, yeah right, yeah,
but the man, metal is a different it's a different
ballgame right there. To keep up with those guys, I
couldn't do it. I could say the lyrics you know,
on time, but I couldn't. I couldn't do him in
a metal voice. Yeah, I don't know often, man, I
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don't know a metal song off the top of my head.
I wouldn't know Ruin, I'll tell you right now. I
won't know all.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
The you knew the name of it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Thank you. I appreciate that man. Let me think, let
me let me look at Spotify, let me look at something.
Let me look at my my Spotify list, and uh,
I'm sure there are many songs. I'm sure there's like
some Metallica songs. I would know front and back?
Speaker 7 (26:30):
What you got any Shakira songs? You could do? Front
and back?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Dua lipa? For sure?
Speaker 7 (26:34):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
They're playing dua in the gym today. Lorena is very
mun Uh you know what, I shazamed it it was.
Let me see, I'll tell you real quick.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
You know, she's a very tall woman.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
She is a very tall woman at a skying five eight.
That Shakira over there or that dual leap over there.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
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How tall is Shakira?
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I think she's like five to one, isn't she?
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Wow?
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That's crazy.
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No, they don't. Still they don't training season. That was
the Dua Lipa song that they played at the gym today.
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I don't even think I know that song.
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You definitely know it, but you don't know it by name.
I guarantee you know this song, but I'm like, that's
the title of it. Had no idea, but yeah, I
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a metal song and just kind of like recite the
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That'd be a good one. He's like here in nineteen
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be adored. Real fast song, Okay, real good song. Yeah,
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he does drop an F bomb. I don't don't know
if there's a clean version of that.
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We can dump it if needed.
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let me know if you can find that one eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. If you feel like doing
some karaoke on the fly, you know, we'll just punch
it up and have at it.
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I can't see a clean version, but let's see what the.
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job all three of us. Huh some as a legendary
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Speaker 5 (29:32):
All right?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Let me get to a couple of people want to
check in on Jalen Hurts. So I think we've got
Matt in Seattle up next. What's going on, Matt? You're
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (29:41):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. I am let me
just start off ay think I'm not a Jalen Hurts
fan at all. I'm a full Seahawks, Mariners, Seattle sports fan,
and so I feel a little bit of shamed here
that I'm coming to his defense here a little bit.
But I think I think you're kind of missing. Where
Jalen hurt adds value to the Eagles offense is not
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with his passing ability. I mean, he's as a passer,
I agree, mediocre at best, but I don't think and
I'd have to look up the stats to be sure,
and I'm driving not going to be doing that, but
I don't think there's another quarterback in the NFL that
has converted more first downs than Jalen Hurts on short
yardage situation. That guy extends drives for the Eagles like
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nobody else in the NFL does. And I think the
reason that he is going to get that kind of
value from the oddsmakers is because he increases the opportunities
for the Eagles offense to go down the field and score,
because he's like a cheat code on third and fourth
down and short.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I mean there's some fairness to that. I'll give him
credit for, you know, the tush bush and listen, he
squats the weight room. He's incredibly strong player, not just quarterback.
So yeah, there's no But how often does short yardage
come up like it does come up? I mean when
you're on the goal line and he scores a bunch
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of touchdowns. There's value, but I don't think we can
make it out to be as valuable as being a
great passer. I'd rather have a great passer every day.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Then. I don't know who's his backup.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's uh Tanner McKee, now, okay, yeah, right, yeah, it's
the guy out of Stanford. You know, Tanner McKee. It's
come on, Cooper, you're not down with Tanner Mckee've never
heard of him. Yeah, Coop gave us a hoop. Yeah, man, hey,
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there you go. I make a noise right there, for sure. No,
it's a good point by Matt. That does add some
value that I don't want to short change that. The
the tush push, brotherly shove type stuff. Yes, if it's
third and one, fourth and one, it's basically an automatic
first down or an automatic touchdown if they're at the
one yard line, So that certainly adds value. It does,
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But to the tune of six point three points against
the spread, whether he's playing or the backups playing, I
don't buy it. And the other thing is he's behind
the best offensive line in football. So is he doing
that on any team in the NFL. I don't think
it's as automatic with any team in the NFL. And
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I know Josh Allen He's not on a Jalen Hurts level,
but they've had a lot of success converting short yardage
with Josh Allen and doing the quarterback sneak stuff. While
we're talking Hurts, let me go to Bear in Tennessee.
He's got some thoughts on Jalen Hurts as well. What's
going on Bear?
Speaker 8 (32:49):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Love it? What's going on Bear?
Speaker 8 (32:52):
Not much? I just think it out joining and what's fun?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
But get a mask, Kyle that he pretty much hit
the point I was trying to. You know, I agree
with you with him his overall ranking as far as
a hierarchy, But you know, the whole article, I guess,
was about how much he effected that team was a
points in a game because if you put that channel
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key guy in, they will.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Be scoring six points.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
So that's a game. I mean, come out now, I
don't even know who that guy is, So I kind
of agree with that.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, but Bert, you're saying, like it's not just
specifically Tanner McKee. It's this starter versus the backup quarterback. Like,
I don't think Tanner McKee, he probably doesn't rank in
the top ten of backup quarterbacks, you know what I mean.
So I don't know that it's specifically Tanner McKee as
Jalen hurts back up. If that is what directly factors
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in there, I don't know. Maybe it is. I don't
know how they did that part of it, to be fair.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
About it, Oh, because I thought when you read it,
I mean, that was a low while back, but when
you read it off, I thought that's what the crack
tier was. It was the start to compare to their
backup on their team. So I was just going by
there because yeah, you're right, not better than Joe Barrow.
Speaker 12 (34:07):
In any commns, you know what I mean, but right
like the like the prayer car to say it, you know,
he tur dras he short yarded it pretty much unstoppaball.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
And you know, so if you keep the ball away
from the defense, of course you know it's gonna sect
the time to score of the game. So yeah, I
would think he does affect the team to that novel,
I would agree with him.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I appreciate you checking in Bear
for sure, and listen, I'll meet the last two callers
halfway at least with Matt and Bear bringing up Jalen
Hurts his running ability, especially short yardage running ability, and
that's fair. We wouldn't knock Lamar Jackson like it is
valuable with what Jalen Hurts brings to the table as
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far as that goes, But I would counter it with, like,
how valuable exactly because we're not gonna knock Lamar for
not doing the tush push, brotherly shove short yardage type stuff.
He can still create with his legs and then he
can also just turn around and hand the ball to
Derrick Henry and you're good regardless, you know what I mean.
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So even though it is valuable what Jalen Hurds does
with his legs, we're talking short yardage and that sort
of thing. I mean to the point where it's worth
six points per game against the spread. And that's where
I think too. I mean, you're talking about a quarterback
not just with his team. But the way I think
of it is, Okay, if we're gauging value, how do
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we look at this quarterback? On someone else's team. You know,
how do we look at it with a much lesser
supporting cast. I don't know if that was the point
of their exercise. I think it should be, because I'm
here to tell you Jalen Hurds is not worth six
points against the spread on any team in the nf
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I don't think he's worth that much on his team,
the Eagles, because he's not asked to do that much.
He's not asked to do as much as other quarterbacks
are asked to do. I'll put it this way, Jalen
Hurts threw eighteen touchdown passes last season. If some of
these quarterbacks on the list through LK. If Joe Burrow
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he threw forty three touchdown passes last season, If he
threw eighteen, the Bengals might have had the number one pick.
They would have had a top five, top ten pick.
If he threw eighteen touchdown passes last season, you know
what I mean, Like some of these guys, the league leaders.
Lamar Jackson threw forty one touchdown passes last season. If
he threw eighteen, my gosh, you're talking about twenty three touchdowns.
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That difference a difference of twenty three touchdown passes. The
Ravens are losing many more games if you take away
twenty three touchdown passes. So that's the point. The Eagles,
they're one of the best teams. They we had a
you know, they're one of the best teams in the
NFL last season. And Jalen hurts through eighteen touchdown passes.
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It just shows you how rich they are in talent
around him. So I don't buy it, man, I don't
think he's worth six points against the spread. I just
I don't buy it. Eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox is your number. Appreciate the militia checking in, very
good stuff and I love that bear going as of spades.
Shout out Lemmy right there, very nicely done. All right,
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I didn't know the title of.
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This is the training session song?
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Bill?
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Brian?
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I've been on hold for over an hour.
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on Dodger baseball?
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There, Bill with the reason?
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You know why I really called.
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Why is that you wanted to do a karaoke version
of the Great Southern Trend Killed by Panta.
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No.
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Man, that's beautiful. I appreciate that.
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Bill.
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That is awesome. Feel free to hang with us. We
got to go right now, but feel free to hang
We'll get to your Dodger thoughts on the other side
if you if you want to hang out for that.
By the way, true story. I passed Stevie Wonder on
the street one day in La right across from a
guitar center.
Oh, what is going on? Happy early morning hours to
you over here. So a couple of quarterbacks were in
the news today and it caught my attention. One's a
big name and one's basically a no name now, but
I think both stories are interesting for very different reasons.
So the first thing I saw was, I think it's
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part of Yahoo's newsletter, right They They've got a Yahoo
Sports newsletter, and in it, I believe, this morning, they
had this little blurb about Ben Fox. So he works
for Yahoo's Sports and he covers a lot of sports
betting stuff. And so what Ben did? He asked twelve
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odds makers. He's asking these twelve odds makers, what's the
difference in the point spread between the starting quarterback playing
or the backup playing? Right, and you're playing at home
against the league average team. What's the difference between Josh
Allen Bill's quarterback and his backup playing. What's the difference
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in the point spread between Patrick Mahomes or the backup
quarterback playing? And so he asked all these these twelve
odds makers, and then he took all twelve different against
the spread values and he averaged them together and then
ranked the starting quarterbacks right, in terms of how much
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does each quarterback impact the point spread? Okay, and so
the top came up with the top ten, and one
of the guys in the top five. I just raised
my hand like, wait, what really are you serious about this?
So number one in terms of impacting the point spread
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the most? These twelve odds makers, they went with Josh Allen,
Bill's quarterback just under seven points against the spread. That's
what he means, they think, I think, oh, Josh Allen's out. Okay,
this is gonna move the point spread a good seven points.
There's gonna be a seven point impact. Patrick Mahomes just
like a shade under where Josh Allen was. They have
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Mahomes second, Lamar Jackson third, Jalen Hurts fourth, Joe Burrow fifth.
They have Jalen Hurts affecting the point spread six point
three points. I got a question for you. Do you
think Jalen Hurts impacts the point spread by six plus points?
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Do you think that's the case. I don't think that's
the case at all. Do you think that's the case.
The reason I don't think that's the case it's because
look at the supporting cast. Look at what Jalen Hurts
did last season? Do you realize I didn't realize. I
went back and I'm like, what were Jalen Hurts stats
last year? What was touchdowns and interceptions? Just as like
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a reference point, you know, what do you think it was?
How many touchdown passes do you think Jalen Hurts threw
last season? Eagles won a super Bowl? Eventually? Right? How
many touchdown passes for Jalen Hurts last season? Eighteen? As
the eighteen touchdown passes five interceptions. What happened with the
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Eagles offense? Well, Sakuon Barkley went freaking crazy over two
thousand yards rushing. Didn't even play every game in the
regular season, still rush for over two thousand yards. It
was unbelievable in the playoffs. Now, I'll tell you this
with Jalen Hurts, and this is on the positive side.
I think how people get it twisted with Jalen Hurts
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is that he's played great in the two biggest football games.
We got like he played great in the biggest stage
that we have in football, which is the Super Bowl.
He played great in two Super Bowls. One they lost,
one they won, they split with the Chiefs. But he
played great in both of them. And so I think
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we look at Hurts and it's like, wow, you know,
super Bowl MVP. Here he is. He's knighted. You know
you just touched the shoulders with the sword. He's knighted.
He's legit. He affects the points spread by six points,
whether he's in or out. That's no, he doesn't like Again,
look at the supporting cast, best offensive line in football.
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He's got aj Brown, Davonte Smith, Dallas Goddard to throw to.
He's got Saquon Barkley in the backfield rushing for over
two thousand yards last season. He had a defense that
was second best in points, giving up the second best
scoring defense in football last season. And you think Jalen
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Hurts means six points as far as the point spread goes, Like, Listen,
there are odds makers that are way better at this
stuff than I am. I'm not here like banging the
table like I'm the guru of all things sports betting
or making the odds. You know, I'm not saying that
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at all. But what I am telling you is they
got that wrong. I know enough to say they have
that completely wrong. And I don't want to make it
sound like Jalen Hurts is just this dime a dozen quarterback.
He's a talented guy. But look, man, you put Jalen
Hurts on the Tennessee Titans this year with a ragtag
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supporting cast, there's no way, like literally no chance he's
impacting the point spread that much game in game out.
He's a good player, he's not on that level and
that's what this is telling me. He's on that level
with like josh Allen Mahomes Burrow. No, he is not.
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He's a guy who threw eighteen touchdown passes last season.
You know the truth about Jalen Hurts, I'll give it
to you. The truth about Jalen Hurts is that he's
played great twice in the most important game and people
have blown that out of proportion. That's really what's happened.
And you could sit here and be like, Brian, it's
the Super Bowl. What do you mean we're blowing it
out of proportion. It's the biggest stage. But at the
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end of the day, it's a game and he's played
great twice. Did we do that with Eli Manning? Eli
Manning has the most famous play in Super Bowl history
with the David Tyree catch. Where he threw the ball
up for grabs it they beat the undefeated Patriots, and
the second time against the Patriots, he had one of
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the best deep ball completions to marry O Manningham on
the sideline. So we give Eli his props for the
Super Bowl wins, but we're like, yeah, he's really not
a Hall of Fame quarterback. He's gonna get in. We
all know he's gonna get in, but he's really not
a Hall of Fame quarterback. So Eli played really well
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on the biggest stage against an undefeated team that was
eighteen and oh going for nineteen and oh right, and
he beat Tom Brady and the Patriots twice. We give
him his flowers, but we keep it. We consider the context.
We don't blow it out of proportion. But with Jalen Hurts,
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we just blow it completely out of proportion. He's played great,
but he does not impact the points spread by six
point three points between him and the backup, No way,
no chance. Man Like that to me is saying forget
about the team he's on. He's that special. He could
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do that with basically any team. And that's just not
the case that Jalen Hurts. He's a quarterback that's good,
but he has some shortcomings. He has some warts. He
throws the ball in the wrong place a lot of times,
a lot of times, he misreads the coverage. I don't
have him as a top ten quarterback. I know it
sounds like I'm just trashing the guy. I'm really not.
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I think he's good. I just don't think he's top ten.
I don't think he impacts the game on a top
ten level. I think that his supporting cast is so
special that it's helped him out a ton compared to
vice versa. I don't think he helps the sporting cast
out as much as the supporting cast helps him out.
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I don't think that's unfair at all. I'm not telling
you the guy can't play at all. I just think
he's the Black Brock Party. I think it's basically it
in terms of the supporting cast meaning that much to
what he does individually. I think Purty and you know,
Jalen Hurts, they're the Spider Man meme. They're just pointing
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at each other right, like they greatly have benefited over
the years from upper echelon supporting casts. And I look,
I think there's a way to tell Like again, when
you look at some of these league leaders, go look
at Lamar Jackson's numbers and compare him to Jalen Hurts.
It's not even freaking close. Look at Josh Allen's numbers,
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mahomes numbers throughout the years. Again, So Jalen Hurts, he's
been the starting quarterback for the last four years. He
hasn't exceeded twenty three touchdown passes. This is it, like,
from most touchdown passes in a season to least twenty three,
twenty two, eighteen sixteen. He's got two seasons where he
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didn't even throw for twenty touchdown passes. And you think
that he affects the point spread. He's fourth in the
hierarchy of impacting the point spread. No way, not even close, man,
not even remotely close. I could go with the a
lot of these top guys. Let me go, Okay, here
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we go. Let's go with Joe Burrow touchdown passes per season. Now,
some of this is he's been banged up, but when
he's played a full season, right, he played seventeen last season,
two other seasons with sixteen starts. Okay, here's here's Joe
Burrow's passing touchdowns in order to you know, most to
least forty three thirty five, thirty four. Now, he's got
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a lot of talent around him, Jamar Chase T. Higgins.
That's a great one two combo to throw two. But
forty three thirty five thirty four. Jalen Hurts. He wakes
up dreaming about thirty four touchdown passes in a season,
and he was like, I didn't believe it. When I
was dreaming it, I knew it was a dream. This
is unrealistic type stuff over here, right, Like, come on,
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what are we doing here? Let me go to Let's
go to another guy. Let's just do stats on the
fly over here, right, let's go with let me look
at Josh Allen. I'm curious, all right, Let's look at
his touchdowns per season, just touch down throws. Forget about
all the rushing touchdowns as well. Okay, here we go. Now,
he's been very durable. He's been a starting quarterback for
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two for seven years now, he's had six of those
seasons playing at least sixteen games. Okay, so let's see
an order thirty seven, thirty six, thirty five, twenty nine,
twenty eight, twenty He's every year he's at least twenty
touchdown passes. Three of those years he's in the mid thirties,
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and you get all the rushing yards, all the rushing
touchdowns on top of that, Like, come on, what this idea?
Come on, dude, that's ridiculous. Again. I don't want to
make Jalen Hurts this sound like he's, you know, he
sucks or something. I'm not saying that you can't suck
and play that great in two Super Bowls. You can't.
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So he clearly does not suck. But his supporting cast is,
you know, a luxury Cadillac. It is pristine. It is
an awesome supporting cast. And to think that he's doing
this on a squad with a lesser supporting cast or
a bad supporting cast, forget about. It ain't happening man.
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And it shows you how little he has to do
when you can rattle off those numbers per season. Again,
like two of the four years where he's been the
full time starter, he hasn't reached twenty touchdown passes eighteen
and sixteen. Come that's ridiculous, man, I just I don't
buy that at all. Don't buy it. I don't have
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him as a top ten quarterback. I certainly don't have
him as a top five quarterback in terms of impacting
the point spread between the starter and the backup quarterback.
That's that's ridiculous, is what I would say. But feel
free to check in eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox is your number? Let me see one last one
before we move it along. I just want to see
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with Lamar here, if you look at Lamar, Lamar puts
up numbers man like. Look at what Lamar has done
where he's had some seasons throwing touchdown passes. It's been
a mixed bag with Lamar. He does have a couple
of seasons under twenty touchdown passes as well, but he's
also giving you forty one last year. And we're not
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talking rushing touchdowns either, just passing touch not rushing yards.
Everything that he brings to the table running the football
forty one touchdown passes, thirty six touchdown passes, twenty six,
twenty four, seventeen to sixteen. So he had a lull
in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. But bro
on the high side, what honest question, what do you
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think the chances are that Jalen hurts who threw eighteen
touchdown passes last season, throws for thirty six touchdown passes
or forty one touchdown passes this season like Lamar did
last season. There's no chance there's zero chants because they
don't rely on him that much, and also because he's
not as good as Lamar Jackson is, at least in
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the regular season putting up big numbers. He's not that guy.
So no, I don't buy that he affects the points
spread that much. Do not buy it whatsoever? What do
you have to say? Feel free to check in eight seven,
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But technically, no mention, no opinions, no thoughts on the
sex toys being thrown on another WNBA court. So there
you go. Coming up next, man, we got so much
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league does. We'll get to that coming up next. I'm
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
I'm Brian no In for Big Ben Malor here on
Fox Sports Radio. That is a random music question I have.
So you're playing a Summertime by Will Smith? What songs
do you think you know all the lyrics to?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I mean it's something off the top of your Is
there one that it comes to your mind? Cooper Loraina,
do you say I know every single line of this song?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Fer delicious.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Okay, that's the one, all right. Sure you think you
know every.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Single line, single word?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Okay, Coop, you I swear if you go with Tool again?
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Man, well, yes, I mean obviously there's plenty of Tool songs.
I'd say, uh, almost every song on uh the Oh
my god, I'm blanking on the album name the Eminem's album.
Not the Marshall Mathers LP. But the one that came
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out in like two thousand. Why am I blanking on
the name of it?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Encore?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
No, the one before.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
That, the Closet one.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Why Why am I the Marshall Mathers LP.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
No, No, No, the Slim Shae No, the eminem Show.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Oh okay, so you know that one, like Front and Back.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
I'm like, plenty of songs on that album. I would
know all the lyrics to all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, man, I just I don't know. I just think
about that with well, I thought about that song with
Will Smith, and then I thought about, you know, like
the Fresh Prince of bel Air, and I probably know
most of that one still is just as stuck in
my brain, you know. But every now and then you'll
see someone do karaoke and they think they know the
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song and they get up there and they know like
twenty five percent of the song.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
You know, different when the pressure is on you too.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. But especially for rap songs, Coop, Like,
there are so many lyrics in a rap song where
there's there's not one line where you're like, oh shoot,
I forgot that one. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I'm pretty sure I could do cleaning out my closet.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Uh, we should do that. Can we play it? And
you just say what he says?
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Let me pull up my closet song, hold.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
On the closet song. Let's try it. Let's see if
you really do know this or not, Coop, I.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Don't want to do this.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Come on, we're not going to use this against you.
That wouldn't be like I think you. I think you
got a fighting chance, but you know, I'm skeptical. There
are just so many lyrics and you got to know
them on time. You know, it's not easy.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
Are you guys ready?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We're ready? You ready? Coop? That's the question. You know,
you don't have to do your eminem impression. You have
to say it.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
You know, where's my snare? I've got no snare on
my headphones. Ah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I didn't know you're gonna get that right too, mad,
you're a top of it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Have you ever been hated or discriminated against?
Speaker 8 (19:17):
I have.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I've been protested and demonstrated against. Picket signs for my
wicked rhymes. Look at the signs. Stick of the mind.
Off the mother kid that's behind all this commotion. The
emotion run deepest oceans, exploding tempers, flamoring from parents. Just
blow them off and keep going, not taking nothing from
no one, give them how long and some breathing, keep
kicking nass in the morning and taking names in the evening.
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The taste of sour is vinegar in they mouth. So
they can trigger me, but you'll never figure me out.
Look at me now, I bet you're probably sick of me. Now,
ain't your mama. I'm gonna make you look so ridiculous?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Now?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Pretty good? Pretty good? Okay, bad?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
All right, all right, go the high batting average right there.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Yeah, and one part I just ran out of breath.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I don't blame you, dude. Yeah, Like next, you're gonna
do like the really hard part of rap. God, you
know where he's doing.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Yeah, No, I can't.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I can't do that, good luck. That's pretty good man.
There's just I'm just saying a lot of lyrics, a
lot of stuff, like a lot of opportunities to forget
a line or a word.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That's pretty good, Coop. I think you're nicely done.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Yeah, man, I'm glad I remember these lyrics.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Especially on the spot like that ten out of.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Ten, Coop, because like Metallica is sort of like our
common ground, right Coop, A lot of it. And I'm
telling you, there are a lot of songs that, you know,
I would think I would know every lyric, and I
guarantee you that's wrong.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Oh yeah, same for me with with Metallica too, And
I guarantee you there are certain songs where I think
I know the lyric and that's not the lyric at all. Yeah,
I'm like I'm singing some and completely wrong.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It happens a lot. Well, you know me, I'm a
metal guy primarily, not only not solely, but primarily, and uh,
you know, I'll be on Spotify and every now and
then I'll just click on the lyrics and I'll like
follow them along and I'm like, hold, I did I was?
I was wrong this whole time. I've listened to that
song hundreds of times, and I never bothered to just
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check if I was right or not. And I was
saying something that was wrong the whole time. Yeah, welcome
to metal. You know who knew that could happen? But yeah,
I like that. Well, so what's the next one, Lorrainer?
What was the song that you mentioned? We carry yoking?
That one too delicious?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
If the world needs come on, what are we waiting
for here?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Oh, how the.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Man tables have turned?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, as much, you know, fire for this experiment? He Loreena. No, well,
maybe a little bit later. I just don't want I
don't want you to be practicing, and you know I'll
be back, Coop. I got to run in the bathroom
real fast and you're just practicing.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Okay, hold on, I'll just I'll just do it.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Hold on, okay, all right, all right, very good.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
This was like middle school days for me, like out
on the school yard.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I want to hear, you know, cleaning up my closet
the karaoke version next time you're on stage, Coop. That
was very well done.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Oh this scares me?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Are there a lot of cuss words in this one, Lorena,
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Hold on, this is a horrible version of for Delicious.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, you got to be in your zone.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
Year.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
It's not going to work.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
She already got a hint on the first couple of lyrics.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
No, no, his part is not my part.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Al right, that's right for sure.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
So you don't know every lyric to the song. Just
just fergies.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Yeah, you know that's the part, right, Okay. Listen, y'all, Chris,
this is it.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
Don't be slicious for delicious definition, make them boys go local,
they so they get them pleasures from my photo.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
You can see me you kiss please me.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I'm easy, I sleacy.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
I know reasons why some boys just come and go
like seasons for Delicious.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Look at this.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
You a sin If you are suspicious, all that is fictitious.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I'll blow kisses. That puts them boys on rock.
Speaker 9 (23:44):
Rock and they be lying down the block just to
watch what I got.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, look at the talent on this show. My gosh.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Technically I technically did mess up on the first part
because I started singing the second verse instead of the
first one.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
But they're both.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Great, guys are so under paid.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Until it gets to the fast part, more impressive.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, that's I want to hear that.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
The round always looking at me up and down, looking
at I just want to say you now, I am
trying to round up drum a little mama. I don't
want to take a man, and I know I'm coming
off just a little bit conceited, and I keep on
repeating how the boys want to eat up. But I'm
trying to tell that it can't be treated like clientele
because they say she delicious, vicious.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It made me think of the part in the movie
where the Miller's you know, that comedy with Jason Skis.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
And they like pay people to be his family so
they ca yeah, yeah, right, yes, the border.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But the boy in like the fake family knows waterfalls
like way too much, and everyone's looking at him like,
what the hell does he know? All all these lyrics?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That's what it made me think of. But very nicely done.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Wow, I think it's only fair. It's your turn.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, I throw in some lamb of God for me
real fast, that's the thing, because it won't sound right
if I'm just like literally saying because I can't. I
can't do Coop's metal voice. Like Coop he greets me
every time and you can attest to this Lorrena whenever
I chime in, right like I connect for the fill
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in shift and Coop will just be like, what in
this metal voice?
Speaker 7 (25:24):
And I'm like, it's perfect, Coop.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You need to be on stage somewhere. Man, that is
so metal right there. I like, I can't sing like that.
I can't do that like from the throat type stuff.
I can't yell like that.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I don't know how long I would be able to
do it for. Like you know, I say, I say,
what up?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But yeah, great job that. Yeah, I don't know, yeah right, yeah,
but the man, metal is a different it's a different
ballgame right there. To keep up with those guys, I
couldn't do it. I could say the lyrics you know,
on time, but I couldn't. I couldn't do him in
a metal voice. Yeah, I don't know often, man, I
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don't know a metal song off the top of my head.
I wouldn't know Ruin, I'll tell you right now. I
won't know all.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
The you knew the name of it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Thank you. I appreciate that man. Let me think, let
me let me look at Spotify, let me look at something.
Let me look at my my Spotify list, and uh,
I'm sure there are many songs. I'm sure there's like
some Metallica songs. I would know front and back?
Speaker 7 (26:30):
What you got any Shakira songs? You could do? Front
and back?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Dua lipa? For sure?
Speaker 7 (26:34):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
They're playing dua in the gym today. Lorena is very
mun Uh you know what, I shazamed it it was.
Let me see, I'll tell you real quick.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
You know, she's a very tall woman.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
She is a very tall woman at a skying five eight.
That Shakira over there or that dual leap over there.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Shakira is not a tall woman.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
How tall is Shakira?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I think she's like five to one, isn't she?
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (27:03):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
No, they don't. Still they don't training season. That was
the Dua Lipa song that they played at the gym today.
Good song. I didn't know it by name.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
I don't even think I know that song.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
You definitely know it, but you don't know it by name.
I guarantee you know this song, but I'm like, that's
the title of it. Had no idea, but yeah, I
couldn't do that one. Yeah, let me let me report
back to you. Okay, let me. I'm not gonna cheat.
This is a non cheating show. But I'll look for
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a metal song and just kind of like recite the
lyrics if you will. Oh, I know a good one
would be Ah Didtohead from Slayer because he's going so fast.
That'd be a good one. He's like here in nineteen
ninety four, things are different than before. Final just won't
be adored. Real fast song, Okay, real good song. Yeah,
go with see if you can punch up Slayer Dittohead. No,
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he does drop an F bomb. I don't don't know
if there's a clean version of that.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
We can dump it if needed.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay, uh yeah, no, that'd be a good one. Yeah,
let me know if you can find that one eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. If you feel like doing
some karaoke on the fly, you know, we'll just punch
it up and have at it.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
I can't see a clean version, but let's see what the.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Scott Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay, Yeah, break it up.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
We're good now.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Now, I don't know.
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Speaker 5 (29:32):
All right?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Let me get to a couple of people want to
check in on Jalen Hurts. So I think we've got
Matt in Seattle up next. What's going on, Matt? You're
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (29:41):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. I am let me
just start off ay think I'm not a Jalen Hurts
fan at all. I'm a full Seahawks, Mariners, Seattle sports fan,
and so I feel a little bit of shamed here
that I'm coming to his defense here a little bit.
But I think I think you're kind of missing. Where
Jalen hurt adds value to the Eagles offense is not
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with his passing ability. I mean, he's as a passer,
I agree, mediocre at best, but I don't think and
I'd have to look up the stats to be sure,
and I'm driving not going to be doing that, but
I don't think there's another quarterback in the NFL that
has converted more first downs than Jalen Hurts on short
yardage situation. That guy extends drives for the Eagles like
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nobody else in the NFL does. And I think the
reason that he is going to get that kind of
value from the oddsmakers is because he increases the opportunities
for the Eagles offense to go down the field and score,
because he's like a cheat code on third and fourth
down and short.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I mean there's some fairness to that. I'll give him
credit for, you know, the tush bush and listen, he
squats the weight room. He's incredibly strong player, not just quarterback.
So yeah, there's no But how often does short yardage
come up like it does come up? I mean when
you're on the goal line and he scores a bunch
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of touchdowns. There's value, but I don't think we can
make it out to be as valuable as being a
great passer. I'd rather have a great passer every day.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Then. I don't know who's his backup.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's uh Tanner McKee, now, okay, yeah, right, yeah, it's
the guy out of Stanford. You know, Tanner McKee. It's
come on, Cooper, you're not down with Tanner Mckee've never
heard of him. Yeah, Coop gave us a hoop. Yeah, man, hey,
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there you go. I make a noise right there, for sure. No,
it's a good point by Matt. That does add some
value that I don't want to short change that. The
the tush push, brotherly shove type stuff. Yes, if it's
third and one, fourth and one, it's basically an automatic
first down or an automatic touchdown if they're at the
one yard line, So that certainly adds value. It does,
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But to the tune of six point three points against
the spread, whether he's playing or the backups playing, I
don't buy it. And the other thing is he's behind
the best offensive line in football. So is he doing
that on any team in the NFL. I don't think
it's as automatic with any team in the NFL. And
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I know Josh Allen He's not on a Jalen Hurts level,
but they've had a lot of success converting short yardage
with Josh Allen and doing the quarterback sneak stuff. While
we're talking Hurts, let me go to Bear in Tennessee.
He's got some thoughts on Jalen Hurts as well. What's
going on Bear?
Speaker 8 (32:49):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Love it? What's going on Bear?
Speaker 8 (32:52):
Not much? I just think it out joining and what's fun?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
But get a mask, Kyle that he pretty much hit
the point I was trying to. You know, I agree
with you with him his overall ranking as far as
a hierarchy, But you know, the whole article, I guess,
was about how much he effected that team was a
points in a game because if you put that channel
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key guy in, they will.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Be scoring six points.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
So that's a game. I mean, come out now, I
don't even know who that guy is, So I kind
of agree with that.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, but Bert, you're saying, like it's not just
specifically Tanner McKee. It's this starter versus the backup quarterback. Like,
I don't think Tanner McKee, he probably doesn't rank in
the top ten of backup quarterbacks, you know what I mean.
So I don't know that it's specifically Tanner McKee as
Jalen hurts back up. If that is what directly factors
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in there, I don't know. Maybe it is. I don't
know how they did that part of it, to be fair.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
About it, Oh, because I thought when you read it,
I mean, that was a low while back, but when
you read it off, I thought that's what the crack
tier was. It was the start to compare to their
backup on their team. So I was just going by
there because yeah, you're right, not better than Joe Barrow.
Speaker 12 (34:07):
In any commns, you know what I mean, but right
like the like the prayer car to say it, you know,
he tur dras he short yarded it pretty much unstoppaball.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
And you know, so if you keep the ball away
from the defense, of course you know it's gonna sect
the time to score of the game. So yeah, I
would think he does affect the team to that novel,
I would agree with him.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I appreciate you checking in Bear
for sure, and listen, I'll meet the last two callers
halfway at least with Matt and Bear bringing up Jalen
Hurts his running ability, especially short yardage running ability, and
that's fair. We wouldn't knock Lamar Jackson like it is
valuable with what Jalen Hurts brings to the table as
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far as that goes, But I would counter it with, like,
how valuable exactly because we're not gonna knock Lamar for
not doing the tush push, brotherly shove short yardage type stuff.
He can still create with his legs and then he
can also just turn around and hand the ball to
Derrick Henry and you're good regardless, you know what I mean.
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So even though it is valuable what Jalen Hurds does
with his legs, we're talking short yardage and that sort
of thing. I mean to the point where it's worth
six points per game against the spread. And that's where
I think too. I mean, you're talking about a quarterback
not just with his team. But the way I think
of it is, Okay, if we're gauging value, how do
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we look at this quarterback? On someone else's team. You know,
how do we look at it with a much lesser
supporting cast. I don't know if that was the point
of their exercise. I think it should be, because I'm
here to tell you Jalen Hurds is not worth six
points against the spread on any team in the nf
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I don't think he's worth that much on his team,
the Eagles, because he's not asked to do that much.
He's not asked to do as much as other quarterbacks
are asked to do. I'll put it this way, Jalen
Hurts threw eighteen touchdown passes last season. If some of
these quarterbacks on the list through LK. If Joe Burrow
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he threw forty three touchdown passes last season, If he
threw eighteen, the Bengals might have had the number one pick.
They would have had a top five, top ten pick.
If he threw eighteen touchdown passes last season, you know
what I mean, Like some of these guys, the league leaders.
Lamar Jackson threw forty one touchdown passes last season. If
he threw eighteen, my gosh, you're talking about twenty three touchdowns.
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That difference a difference of twenty three touchdown passes. The
Ravens are losing many more games if you take away
twenty three touchdown passes. So that's the point. The Eagles,
they're one of the best teams. They we had a
you know, they're one of the best teams in the
NFL last season. And Jalen hurts through eighteen touchdown passes.
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It just shows you how rich they are in talent
around him. So I don't buy it, man, I don't
think he's worth six points against the spread. I just
I don't buy it. Eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox is your number. Appreciate the militia checking in, very
good stuff and I love that bear going as of spades.
Shout out Lemmy right there, very nicely done. All right,
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That's my girl, dua dua lipa. What's this called again, Loraina?
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I didn't know the title of.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
This is the training session song?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah? Why did they name it that? Whatever? But you
know this song, right, you've heard it before?
Speaker 7 (38:28):
I do.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
You don't know this one? Yeah, not that deep in
the do A game, I.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Guess apparently not deep enough.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta get in those waters. But yeah,
heard it at the gym. I didn't know that was
the title of it. Very catchy, catchy song, head bobbin song,
You don't Move the Hips a little bit, good song,
solid song. I don't know if we still have Bill Bill,
they're ready to talk some Dodgers. I think Bill's with us.
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He's over in Korea Town. Let's go to Bill. Bill.
You're on Fox Sports Radio. What's going on, Bud?
Speaker 5 (39:01):
I'm Bill?
Speaker 6 (39:02):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Bill?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Brian, Is this.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
Brian?
Speaker 5 (39:07):
No, Yep, you soon for Ben. That's right, okay, Man,
I've been on hold for over an hour.
Speaker 11 (39:18):
Oh man, okay, I just wanted to talk about Dodger baseball.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
What do you have for me? What do you have
on Dodger baseball?
Speaker 8 (39:28):
There, Bill with the reason?
Speaker 5 (39:30):
You know why I really called.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Why is that you wanted to do a karaoke version
of the Great Southern Trend Killed by Panta.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
No.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I called.
Speaker 11 (39:45):
To say that I love you.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well played, Bill, I love that very well done by you. Nice?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
How much I care?
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I just called to say, oh man.
Speaker 11 (40:05):
I mean it's from the Bato my heart.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Man, that's beautiful. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
That is awesome. Feel free to hang with us. We
got to go right now, but feel free to hang
We'll get to your Dodger thoughts on the other side
if you if you want to hang out for that.
By the way, true story. I passed Stevie Wonder on
the street one day in La right across from a
guitar center.
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