August 7, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian Noe talks about Sterling Sharpe revealing the beef that he has with the Packers organization as he gets inducted into the Hall of Fame, the QB tiers and where Bo Nix ranks among the 2024 QB draftees, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I hope you're enjoying your early morning hours. You know,
Coop can attest to this. Over the years, I've delivered
some outrageously bad teases from time to time. Maybe not
the teas itself, but those end of the hour teases
can be It can be brutal because it's a hard out.
You gotta be got to time it out to the second.
Then every now and then I'll keep jabbering about whatever
(00:23):
I was talking about, and then I'll have approximately like
two point five seconds to get out maybe a full
sentence that that's not gonna work. So the teas this
last hour turned into coming up next a hall of Famer.
So you might be thinking, wow, are they gonna have
Barry Sanders on the show? Nope, nope, just a thought
about a Hall of Famer, not an actual Hall of
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Famer on the show. So I apologize for my timing
sucking right there, but I do find this to be
very interesting. So Sterling Sharp he just went into the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, great career with the Green
Bay Packers, and he was on his Brothers. He was
on Club Shasha with Shannon Sharp and so Sterling Sharp.
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He was talking about the one big beef he has
with the Packers organization. Okay, so now he's talking about
having career ending next surgery. All right, that's the timeframe
that we're in. It stems back to that time. And
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so listen to what he says about the Packers' organization
and how he thought they weren't there for him at
that time when he was going to have career ending
next surgery.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Here you go, here's.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The only thing that the Packers did that bothered me.
Not one person called to say, how'd your surgery go?
Because they're fixing my spine right that I could well,
I could roll out of there and never walk again.
I could die on the operating table. Not one person
from the organization said, hey, you know, how'd your surgery go?
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Not the cold one person and from the organization was like, hey,
look man, god, we'll pull them for you. You know,
let us know if you need anything. Not one person
in the organization. I don't think you understand that. Player, trainer,
front office, cod, damn no one. That's the only thing
that bothered me. Not one player, Not one player. And
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it was so funny that I never thought about it
until the Hall of Fame happened, and when the Hall
of Fame happened. Now I start to hear from people
in the organization, and I'm saying to myself, how do
I feel about that? Honestly, Like, you know what, when
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I was at my proverbial lowess, never heard of me
what you would perceive as my highest I really don't
need to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Wow, interesting stuff right where I get it from his standpoint,
and listen, you had to condense that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It's like a.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Four minute thing, and so there are some bits and
pieces in there where Sterling Sharp is saying, hey, man,
I get it. It's the end of the season. Players
go their separate ways. An organization starts thinking about what's next.
What are we going to do in the offseason, what's.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Our game plan?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You know, we might have babies that are being born,
We're going on vacation here there, Like everybody just goes
their separate ways. So he's like, I get it. I
get it to a degree. But you can tell that
that bothered him, and he would say at times he's like,
I'm not disappointed.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm not hurt, and it's like I think you are.
I think and you have a reason to be.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, like, man,
that was that was rough. I didn't hear from one soul,
not one person, And I just thought that was an
interesting take. I had to share that with you guys,
because I guess that's the broader version of this.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It's I think it's hard for athletes to really buy
in to the team aspect when so many times the
business shows you that a lot of times you're just
on your own, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's
the bigger takeaway from this. How many times have you
heard players as like I didn't hear from my own
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own organization that I was traded, that I was released.
I caught it on Twitter, like I saw a tweet
about it. I saw it on Sports Center. They didn't
even bother to tell me I was released, had no
clue like stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
How can you if.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's on your resume, that's, you know, something that you've
experienced along the way, and you're on your new team.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now, how do you fully buy into team? Team?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Team, team, everything's team? How many times do you hear,
especially about the NFL, it's a business. You hear that
about pro sports all the time, NBA, MLB. It's a business.
There's some stuff that's cutthroat that as cold as it
can be, Like how do you buy in? How do
you not develop this mentality of like, man, I got
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to look out for myself first and foremost, because that's
what the business does to you. It teaches you lessons
the hard way. And I feel like some organizations just
get the simplest thing things wrong. How do you not
reach out to Sterling Sharp? Not one person like, hey, bro,
this is next surgery. Let us know if you need anything,
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just wanted to check in. How'd everything go?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Not?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
How do you get that wrong?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And I'm sure everybody's looking at everybody like man, one
of us should have checked in, Like a lot of
you should have checked in. I don't know how an
organization messes up simple things. A lot of it's just
common decency, it's just common courtesy. You know, if your
friend was going in for next surgery, probably show that
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person that you cared in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Right, it's a simple thing.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Well see, I have some thoughts on this, Brian. Okay,
And I'm glad you said that right there, because I
had not heard this sound clip before and listening to it,
and while I agree with the correlation that you're making
about teams kind of treating it way too much like
a business and you know, guys finding out that they
got traded through social media. I get that because with
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things like that, like trades, there's only certain number of
people in the organization that know about it anyway, and
they're the ones. You know, it's a lot easier for
you know, four, five, six to you know, ten guys
to look at it like this is a business and
you know, we got to keep this under wrap for
whatever reason. But then when it comes to what Sterling
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Sharp was saying in that SoundBite, my initial reaction was
one of two things. Either one, he's over exaggerating and
there was somebody that reached out to him or no,
or two he's an a hole, you know, Like how okay,
because I would get maybe, you know, you might want
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somebody from like some higher up in the organization to
reach out to you, the team president, GM, whatever, and
they might not and that might be cold, and I
can understand that happening. But he said not a single person,
not a trainer, not a teammate, nothing, So he cultivated
any relationships while on the team to where somebody would
like reach out and know that he was going into
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surgery that day. I think that says more about him
as a person or or he's over exaggerating and he's
just not thinking of you know, the equipment manager who
actually did shoot him a text, you know, like all right, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, I hear what you're saying. That would be funny
if you get all these X packers that were like.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
What the hell's he talking about?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I called him four times before surgery after surgery.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But the other part of I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Think of some of the like all time a holes
of the NFL, Right, like to think of some players
that had a REP that were disliked by a lot
of their teammates, Like whatever your short list is, Aaron
Rodgers comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Not every teammate is fond of Aaron Rodgers. He's been
a diva at times, you know, all that sort of stuff.
But not everybody is anti Rodgers. There are some dudes
that will ride and die with Aaron Rodgers, you know
what I mean. And I think that's the case for
a lot of people in the NFL. Where certainly they
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ruffle feathers, they have their enemies, maybe even on their
own team, they have their detractors and all that's earned,
but typically not the entire organization is against you, like
a unified decision. Like, man, this freaking guy defines a
hole like.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
He's walking about. I just can't buy them. Sterling Sharp
was that guy.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There isn't one person that's on board to even a
to the point where they're like reaching out.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
He's having neck surgery, his career is over.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I just can't imagine he was that hard to get
along with and everyone was just nope, out on this guy, no,
thank you. I just don't think it rises to that level. Man,
that would be an extreme case of ahle ness. If
there is such, you know, a term, we'll just invent
one right there. But I get it, I get where
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why your head went there. I just don't think that's
the case.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Well, then then you just got to say that, you know,
there's a couple hundred people on the packers organization that
then they're all a holes, like not one reached out.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I think it's one.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I mean, I guess you know what we're talking, you know,
nineteen ninety something so I guess there wasn't really it was, right, Well,
that's true text messaging, Like, yeah, you take that.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Into account, right, Yeah, the time period we're talking about
is like, yeah, this is pre cell phones. We're not texting,
we're not on Facebook, we're not dming.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's just so so much easier to get in touch
with people.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean you can relate to this, right, Like a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You know, I'm a little older than you, Coop, but
you're old enough where when the grade school year was over,
you just went your separate ways, ye, and you didn't
communicate with anyone until you were back at school with
them again.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
You didn't see them.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
They just weren't involved in your lives at all, because
that's just.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
The time it was.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
You might not have even recognized them.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, right, like if you were unless you were friends
and you were gonna hang out or see them that way,
you just didn't see or communicate with anyone until you
were physically together again back at school or whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right, So yeah, that part of it, that does make
some sense.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
He did have a house line, you know, you could
you could reach out to people even at that time.
But yeah, we are talking his career ended in nineteen
ninety four, that that's a much different day and age
than now with cell phones and social media and all
that good stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
So, I mean, you know what, I didn't initially take
that into account with my with my take the you know,
having to actually call somebody on the phone and either
talk to them or you know, leave leave a voicemail.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah right, the old answering machines and all that. Sure, Yeah,
but you could have you could have done that. I
think what happened was, you know, the season ended, you
went your separate ways, and probably hearing this from Sterling Sharp,
I would bet Coop. I bet there are a lot
of people players, trainers, front office members, a part of
that packers organization that heard that and felt like, wow,
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he's totally right.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
How did I not reach out?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's a simple phone call, like hey man, thinking about
you thing good post surgery. They're probably like, I should
have done that at least what was I doing? Like,
sometimes you don't mean anything by it and you just
don't do something you should do. I think that very
easily could have been the case.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
No, I think you're right, because I'm thinking about me
and my like if you know, putting those shoes on.
I I'm the type of person that will reach out.
But it's so easy to shoot a text message and
be like, hey, man, how's it going.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, yeah, you're doing okay.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
But if I had to like actually call and talk
to them on the phone.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, I know, right, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, no, no doubt.
But man, when you didn't even know what text messaging was,
you know, that's different too. I can see now that
you're protext and talking, but when your only option was talking.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Wasn't as bad, Like it was a pretty good option
at the time.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I hate man, interesting stuff there,
but we'll see. I would love to know if any
former packers from that time, if they make any statements,
you know, just keep your your ears open, eyes open.
If anybody goes on a podcast or something and says, yeah,
he was right, man, I should have reached out to him,
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like my bad on that. There was a drop of
the ball by me. But I can understand why Sterling
Sharp would would feel like that. You know what's funny too,
last little layer, I'll mention, as guys, there's something in
you that doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Be completely vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You could hear like I had to whittle it down
from four minutes, but it's it's littered with not one
person reached out. And then he'd be like, I'm not mad.
I mean, I'm not even disappointed really, and it's like, no,
you are. You just don't want to admit that because
there's something in our DNA where you just can't. You
can't show vulnerability, you can't show weakness. But it hurt him,
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and it's understandably so that it hurt him. It's just
hard to say that. It's it's hard for guys just
be like, man, that really hurt bad, because he's just
kind of like manly.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It doesn't even really bother me.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Really, I an't thought about it until the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Now, really, it hadn't thought about that
for like what thirty years.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Had crossed your mind one time?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay, you know, but hey man, that's a you got
to you gotta read through the guy lines from time
to time.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You know, when a guy's like, oh no, I'm.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Not even really bothered by that, chances are he's incredibly
bothered by that. It is hard to admit all we
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Big Ben Malor. Yeah, So I'll get to the militia
here in just a couple of minutes. Real fast though,
quick take. I mentioned happy tears for Justin Cooper, our guys.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
So the.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
QB Tiars list will come out next week. So Mike Sando,
he was at ESPN. He's at the Athletic right now.
But he's done this QB Tiers list for this like
the twelfth or thirteenth year he's done it. And so
he asks a bunch of people in the NFL that
cover the NFL all that sort of stuff for their
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opinions on the top quarterbacks. He puts this extensive list together,
has a bunch of quotes in it, and anyway, there's
a little, I guess like a little preview of the
tiers list that's coming out next week. And he wrote
in one of the Athletics newsletter, it's their football newsletter,
that the way that the twenty twenty fourth draft class
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stacks up after their rookie season. So think of the
six quarterbacks who were drafted.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
In the first round.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And so the only thing that he really revealed is
that Caleb Williams, the Bears quarterback, is fourth among the
six quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He's ranked fourth.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And so if you think about this, it has to
be where Jade and Daniel was obviously number one last season,
tremendous job with the Commanders number two. At this point,
it's got to be bow Knicks, damn straight right. Bo
Knicks had a really good rookie season, and I guess
if Caleb Williams is four, it means Drake May with
the Patriots got to be three because JJ McCarthy didn't play.
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He's got to be ranked sixth right now among the
six quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round last year,
and Michael Pennix Junior's got to be fifth because he
only started three games. Caleb Williams started the entire season.
That's got to be the order. I don't see how
the order could be any different than that. But how
about that bow Knicks ranked second, just behind Jayden Daniels.
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He's ahead of Drake May, ahead of Caleb Williams. Think
about that. If that's the list as it stands right now,
you got Bo Knicks taking twelfth overall, and he's ranked
ahead of the number one overall player taken quarterback Kayleb Williams,
and the number three overall player taken in May. That's
pretty good, not too bad for bon Nicks, right there.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Coop I think there was a week, uh, pretty deep
into the season. I think for one week Bonnicks had
the better odds on Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well yeah, right then Jaden Daniels no kidding, Yeah, yeah,
it was. He had it going for a little bit
there and again put up good numbers. It's just Jaden
Daniels was electric, that dude.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know some of the.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Wins that like the Hail Mary against the Bears, you know,
some of these plays, it's just like, okay, all right,
we get it. He's rushing for almost nine hundred yards
like he was. He was incredible, and he took over
for a team that won four games the year before,
like your Broncos the year before, they were eight and nine, Coop,
they won twice as many games as Washington the year before.
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You know, those rookies got there. So Jaden Daniels took
over an even tougher situation and got him to the
NFC title game.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That was amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That was an amazing one of the best. I think
the best rookie season of all time from a quarterback
in what Jayden Daniels did last season. But yeah, Drake
may third, then Caleb Williams I think that's the spin
it forward. I think that's the interesting scenario here is
who do you think is gonna have a better season?
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You think it's gonna be Drake May with the Patriots
or number one overall pick Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Is he gonna turn the corner?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Like?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I get the skepticism, but Caleb Williams was drafted number
one for a reason. He's a very talented quarterback, got
a lot of weapons to work with now with an
offensive minded head coach, there are reasons to be optimistic
about the guy. It just feels like it's a hard
sell right now. Don't you get that impression where it's
like to really get some like no, really, there are
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reasons to buy I know, forget the net video throwing
the ball into the.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Net and missing. I know that's freaking you out right now.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Seems like a hard sell to get someone to truly
buy into Caleb Williams having a really good season and
maybe moving up this list of the quarterback tiers at
least in his draft class. You know where he ranks
among those guys. Just funny, did you think we would
be here? I mean that's a good question. After year one,
do you think we would be here with you're having
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to really sell someone on Caleb Williams maybe moving up
a tick or two from the fourth best quarterback in
his draft class.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Here we are, here, we are. I do think it's
a tough sell. I buy in.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I think he's gonna have a good year. I still
think that he can have a very good career. But
I do think it's a tough sell right now. A
lot of people think otherwise. A lot of people are not,
as you know, they're not banging the table thinking, Oh,
this dude's going to be awesome. All right, let me
get out to the phones. The militia is lined up
over here. My guy Emmett is in Olympia, wants to
check in.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
What's going on? Emmett, You're on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Brian, know what's going on? How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Good? Blud? How are things pretty good?
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Man?
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Pretty good?
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Now?
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
About the Kleb Williams Drake may thing. In terms of
who's going to have a better season, I'm not saying
that the Bears are going to do anything crazy and
like win the division or anything. But I do see
a lot of improvement coming out of Kayleb Williams this year.
Not only did they bring in a guy like Ben
Johnson who is an offensive mastermind, and a lot of
people make the argument of, oh, maybe a coordinator can't
be a good head coach when we've seen that plenty
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of times. But ultimately, what this is going to do
for the Chicago Bears is it's going to bring them
more development for Caleb Williams, which out of all these
guys they could have gone for in the offseason, I
think Ben Johnson was one that you had to hire,
So I think that's a good thing. And on top
of that, you have to think the offensive line they
Brodn got like Jonah Jackson during the offseason. They're really
trying to fix what was a big issue, a big
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glaring hole in the Bears offense last year where Kayleb
Williams got absolutely mollywot Brian no. So I expect a
big uptick from him. I'm not really buying the Patriots
too much in terms of Drape may success. He might
do a little bit success, But I think Caleb Williams
this is easier to take off a lot more weapons,
better O line, and a better I don't know about
better coaching situation, But I think for his needs, I
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think he'd be served better than having Mike Brabil there.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Okay, yeah, I hear you interesting for sure. No, I
appreciate you checking in. Good to hear from you, Emmitt
good stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's the thing, man is, Look I get it in
terms of let's say a young quarterback having a defensive
minded head coach, and you're like, yeah, I don't know
if it's Look at Caleb Williams with the Bears, right,
he had Matt Eberflus and didn't have a great offensive court.
He had a bad offensive coordinator until you know, he
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got fired midway through the season. So not like offensive
gurus just surrounding Caleb Williams, and that can make it
more difficult. But I mean, listen, I just talked about
Jaden Daniels and how specially he was he had a.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Defensive minded head coach and Dan Quay you know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So all I'm saying is it could make it a
bit tougher for a young quarterback to succeed with the
defensive minded head coach. But it's not impossible. It's definitely
not impossible. And we'll see. We'll see with Vrabel how
he does with a young quarterback in Drake May, that's
something to keep an eye on. I think if you're
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looking at Caleb Williams versus Drake May, who's gonna have
a better season, Like Caleb Williams has such better weapons.
He's surrounded by a lot of talent, unless he's just
screwing things up and not getting it and not turning
a corner. I just think that the supporting cast is
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way better than it is in New England. When you've
got listen what he has to throw to Caleb Williams.
He's got an upgraded offensive line that helps. First and foremost,
he's got Roma Dunza, who's a number nine overall pick.
He's got Colston Loveland, rookie tight end from Michigan, top
ten overall pick. Dj Moore is a good wide receiver.
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They got Luther Burden in the second round, the Missouri
wide receiver who put up crazy numbers a couple of
years ago. And as a talented guy like that's a
lot to work with. That's a cole Kabet is a
starting level tight end. They've got him too, and they
you know, coincidentally enough, they got one of Jaden Daniels'
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backup receivers and Zakias Olamide.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And I know you're like, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That's gonna do wonders Like he's a legit, like serviceable
wide receiver who's dependable.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You're gonna catch some basses.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That's a much better supporting cast than what Drake May has.
Drake May look at their weapons, like objectively, what.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Does he have? He's got?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
He's got Stefan Diggs, who's been banged up a couple
of times. In terms of what happens to throw to.
I like Hunter Henry as a tight end. But who
are your wide receivers. You've got Kayshawn Boody to Mario Douglas,
Kendrick Bourne. They drafted Kyle Williams out of Washington State.
That is a lean wide receiving corps. Now, I do
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like Trevon Henderson, rookie running back out of Ohio State.
So I don't want to make it sound like Drake
May has nothing. But if you're looking at Bears versus
Patriots and the supporting cast for the quarterback, it's advantaged.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Bears all day long.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And so it's like, man, Caleb Williams should outperform Drake
May this year. Doesn't mean he will, but he should.
Let's get back to the militia. We've got Alejandro over
in Filmore. He's got some thoughts for us.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What's going on? Man, you're on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
Hey Dumbo, come on, Dumbo.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I thought you were calling me Dumbo for a second.
I was like, oh shoot, I you know, no, I
got okay, Dumble, your big Disney like Dumbo, fan of
the Disney.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Listen to you for like three hours, Dumbo Dumbombo's all right?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Not a not a raving review from a coop over there, Alejandro,
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Those pink elephants?
Speaker 10 (26:21):
What would you say me? How wouldn't you say?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
She said the pink elephant. She likes the pink elephants.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Oh and and it's come on, I don't understand. You
need to understand the way things work. Uh huh okay.
And it is fantastic. Thanks for having any show, Brian.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I literally I've driven seventeen hours.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh man, you're driving now?
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Stop?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Where are you driving from? In two? Where are you
going Alejandro?
Speaker 10 (27:04):
From Portland down to Fillmore.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Wow, you're like Larina with these long trips over there.
My goodness.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
Hey you're gonna do.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You're either like very low on sleep or you're bending
a couple of elbows behind the wheel over there, Alejandro,
what's going on with you, buddy?
Speaker 10 (27:26):
Hey, no, no, I have my dog. I have my dog.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Okay, that's a black fan.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
She's whipping. She's like, hey, wa the help.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Okay, that's good. I'm glad she's providing the wake up
call over there. Very nice. That's needed, good man.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
Yes, yes, I have a black demon jepper and cheese
straight up, you know. And people might say where things
be like yeah, I was said being with a black girl.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
You know, that's just the way it works.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Come on, all right, hey, so fine man. Yeah, let's
let Alejandro get back to driving, all right, Yeah, no problem,
good stuff, Alejandro.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He'pe you get there safely, man, It's yeah, all right. Dumbo.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Let's add Dumbo to the Disney list right there. You guys,
you Lorena, you have more love than Coop for Dumbo.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Oh yeah, I definitely love Dumbo.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
The big ears always hurt my heart.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And his mom gets locked up and she like swings
him in her trunk.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
What's the longest drive you've been on Lorena.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
My family used to go to Montana.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I think that's probably the.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Longest from like what from socol Oregon?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
From Oregon? Okay, that's pretty good, Coop. You got any
crazy long distance drives over there?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Are you talking? And now? So I have to kind of,
you know, specify here are you talking me driving? Or
just a long drive? And you're talking about one like
start to finish?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I love this, but see you are the thinking man
of answering questions. This is important because these distinctions matter.
Let's start off with long drive for you, and then
I want the follow up answer of a long drive
you participated in.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
But we're not solely responsible for.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Okay, so I for me, I think the longest drive
is here to I don't know if here to San
Francisco is longer or from San Francisco to Portland.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
M Yeah, I don't know either. It gotta be somewhat similar.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I think Frisco to Portland is longer.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I would You're probably right, Yeah, it might be.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Actually even Frisco to Oregon is eight hours like to
Roseberg where I live, and Portland is three hours farther
north than that.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, you gotta still get through a healthy portion of
California before you get to again.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Okay, so that's from San Francisco to Portland. That's the
longest one that I've done.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Okay, and that was that was for a rage against
the machine show. What was going on there?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
What was I? I think I was just vis that's
when I that's when I stayed at your place in Portland.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Oh really?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, when I wasn't there. Yes, yes, I stayed at
my place. I wasn't even around. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I have no idea why.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I love that you guys have all these memories together.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah that's hilarious, man, Yeah, very good, very nice. Yeah,
there's been a lot of Oh my gosh, the long
long distance drive don't bother me at all.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It doesn't bother me whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Man, I'm telling you, Lorena, we talked about is you
gotta have sunflower seeds. That's what I should have told
told Alejandro. Hopefully still it works like a charm.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
At any time I feel even a little bit drowsy,
I just start chewing sunflower seats.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And there's something about.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
You know, cracking them open, you know, getting like working
it out getting the seed in your mouth and then
spitting out the shell. There's something about it that just
kind of stimulates your brain, wakes you up.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I don't know what it is. It's a magical formula.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It's the perfect thing to keep you don't even worry
about like the five hour energy stuff. Just choose some
sunflower seeds. Man, it works every single time. I swear
by it. All right, let me get out to Blind
Scott real fast. We got our guy, Blind Scott. What's
going on, Bud? You're on Fox Sports Radio with Sophie.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
I'm just having a cold bird right now, taking a
couple of Bond hits. I was thinking about Drake May.
You know Drake May. He's like a pure athlete, this guy,
Drake May. I like Caleb Williams better by personally. I
also think he's a better athlete. But I think they're
both really really good quarterbacks. They're both great for the NFL.
(31:42):
Like the Patriots are in a rebuilding year this year,
so you're not going to see like them. If anything
does happen, if they made the plass for anything, will
be amazing. But did you see Mike Frable today? He
jumped in. He was like his faces blead and how
did that happen? Like a helmet hit the side of
his chain, he can cut it or whatever. Probably wasn't
wasn't really what it what it seemed like, you know, Yeah,
(32:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I just know there was a there's a you know,
a little fisticuffs going on right there, and uh, Traveon
Henderson he was he's picking up a blitz like he
had pass protection and somehow you know how it is
and joint practices. There's a little bit of a dog pile,
a little skirmish and freaking Rabel just jumps in the
middle of the thing and a little bit bloody coming
(32:25):
out of it. But man, all those Patriot players are like, yeah,
that's what we like to see from our head coach.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So yeah, it was a fun training camp story. I thought,
good stuff.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
They got some good sound bites on the team too.
They got a guy that likes to dress up like
an animal like and not wear shoes. You know his name,
I can't his name right now.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Patriots play.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Yeah, he got drafted. He wears no shoes and he
wears muppet costumes. So he yeah, and then remember when
you worked for the India and a journal and you
interviewed Fred Tutchery. You know, so Fred was talking about
he's going to retire. No, Brian knows, Fred Putcher.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Bland Scott's talking about mc collins.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh the okay, he's not a rookie. If it's mac collins. Yeah,
the receiver. He'll walk around with me.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
He doesn't wear sneakers. He walks around with no shoes,
with no shoes on, and yeah, wear I'm really into this, Actually,
I'm really into this guy. Is he going to be
Is he going to be like a big big Is
he going to be a big player on the Patriots?
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Now?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Like mccollins is an okay, like role player, but he's
not going to be like like a major asset or
something like that. He's and I don't Yeah, he's like
an okay, like three receiver, that type of thing.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Question. So in football, it's hard for one player to
stand out. What does it take for like somebody to
really capture the media on a team like the Patriots,
there's a bunch of nobody's on there right now, Like
they need a player that can get on like a
sound bite type of guy that to pump the fan
base up. But there's everybody is just there's a lot
of nobody's on the team, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, well, all h to do is go to a
party with like a cocaine like substance and then poof,
you know, you got notoriety like Stefine Digs right, like
it's the fine Diggs. I'm kidding about that. But he's
got some personality there, you know. But I hear you like,
largely it's do your job, lunch pail, head down. There's
(34:27):
not a whole lot of you know, like bells and
whistles and personality over there. But that's been the way
it is, has been for a long time. Thank God
for Gronk, right, Like Gronk was the saving the force
over there for so many years. It was funny. I
appreciate your call, blind Scott. Good to hear from you, man.
It was funny. Like I was working in Alboy, New York,
(34:49):
long time ago doing sports radio and I can't remember
I try to find I can't remember. There was like
a third round wide receiver that the page it's had
from North Carolina. I can't remember the guy's name off
the top of my head. I could look for it.
But he didn't have great success or anything like that.
But anyway, my producer he had just started working there
(35:11):
and this is the first interview that he booked, and
he's elated. I think he wore a suit and tie
to the radio studio while we're pre recording this interview.
You know, we weren't able to do it live, and
I had this I'm trying everything. I'm like, hey man,
(35:31):
what about this story.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I'm trying. I'm trying to make it good.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And he's just like Minnie Belichick, no bells and whistles, straightforward,
like nothing interesting. I'm like, dude, we can't even air
this interview.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Like the producer was crushed. He worked so hard to
get this interview. We couldn't even air it.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
There was just nothing in there that was interesting at all.
But that's been the case for a lot of players.
Nothing wrong with it, but it is not the most
interesting team of personalities. But you have some every now
and then, Gronk Edelman, you know, you get some good
personalities sometimes.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
All right, let's get to coming up.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Gosh, oh, there's an interesting opinion from a basketball coach
about a day being dead. No longer are we gonna
see something that we saw plenty of years ago. I'll
get to that coming up. I'm Brian no In for
Big Ben Maller. This is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller
Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It is Fox Sports Radio. I'm Brian though in for
Big Ben malor.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
So. I saw this.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I saw a video with Rick Patino, who's the head
basketball coach at Saint John's right back in college, had
a lot of success last season. They they they fizzled
out in uh in March madness. They're turning the ball
over like crazy, couldn't make layups. You. It was ugly
but really good season for Rick Patino. But what caught
(37:02):
my attention was he was talking about the point guard
in basketball basically being no more.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
And I thought it was an interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Take, and he he didn't just think about the college game.
He's talking about the pro game in particular. Now, the
audio isn't great, you know how it is at basketball practice.
Basketball is bouncing in the background and stuff like that,
but at one point I think you'll be able to
hear what he's saying well enough. And at one point
he's asked by a reporter. He's like, well, what would
(37:35):
you say about Jalen Brunson, the Knicks point guard? Right
because Patino was talking about man, we don't have any
point guards anymore. These guys are looking to score. And
the reporter's like, well, what would you say about Jalen Brunson.
So that's all you need to know is sit back
and let the wisdom.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Of Patino just wash over you. Here you go.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
There are no point ouds anymore. Now if you find it,
you'll probably describe him as a guy who can't shoot me.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
He's a combo scoring gud.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
I don't think he's looking for the assists. I think
he's looking at.
Speaker 11 (38:07):
A squad, and thank god he is.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
I said this in a team.
Speaker 11 (38:11):
Who's the pointcut in the Knicks, just the Lakers, Celtics,
the champion, World champions. The pointcout is totally done in basketball.
The days of John Stockton are long gone. There are
no more pointcuts. Chris Paul is probably the last one.
So you got to play with everybody handling the basketball
(38:33):
five out and just create good movement.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I thought that was interesting, Whereas like, the point guard
is completely dead in basketball, and I get why he's
saying that. If you compare it to years ago and
what the point guard used to be and what it
is right now, I could understand how you would say
it's dead. I would prefer to say it's evolved a lot.
(38:59):
But you still get some of these guys. Trey Young
is a good example of this with the Hawks, where
he had nearly twelve assists per game. You know, he's
dominating the ball. He's got the ball in his hands
all the time. It's not like your center is handling
the rock. You have to have five dudes that can
handle the ball. He handles the ball all the time.
(39:20):
He's a high assist guy. And then he's also looking
to score. He's like Rick Patino said, he's a combo guy.
He's looking to score and he's also looking to dish.
But yeah, if you if your definition of a true
point guard quote unquote is a guy that's looking to
pass first and score second, Like, yeah, a lot of
(39:41):
those dudes don't exist anymore. There aren't a whole lot
of those dudes around. They mentioned Shake, Gilgess, Alexander. He's
not looking to distribute, He's looking to put the basketball
in the basket. That's what he's looking to do. It's
not say never distributes, but he's looking to score first
and foremost. And so I can understand why you would
say it's dead. I just don't think it goes to
(40:03):
that degree. I think we still have guards that score
a lot. They're focused on scoring, but that's not their
sole mentality. They're still looking to dish the rock. But yeah,
I'll meet them halfway and say, now, more than ever,
point guards are looking to score first, dish second. That's
typically what you run into. But interesting take from him
(40:24):
coming up next. It's a much needed change for a
very slow starting team.
Oh, what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I hope you're enjoying your early morning hours. You know,
Coop can attest to this. Over the years, I've delivered
some outrageously bad teases from time to time. Maybe not
the teas itself, but those end of the hour teases
can be It can be brutal because it's a hard out.
You gotta be got to time it out to the second.
Then every now and then I'll keep jabbering about whatever
(00:23):
I was talking about, and then I'll have approximately like
two point five seconds to get out maybe a full
sentence that that's not gonna work. So the teas this
last hour turned into coming up next a hall of Famer.
So you might be thinking, wow, are they gonna have
Barry Sanders on the show? Nope, nope, just a thought
about a Hall of Famer, not an actual Hall of
(00:44):
Famer on the show. So I apologize for my timing
sucking right there, but I do find this to be
very interesting. So Sterling Sharp he just went into the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, great career with the Green
Bay Packers, and he was on his Brothers. He was
on Club Shasha with Shannon Sharp and so Sterling Sharp.
(01:05):
He was talking about the one big beef he has
with the Packers organization. Okay, so now he's talking about
having career ending next surgery. All right, that's the timeframe
that we're in. It stems back to that time. And
(01:26):
so listen to what he says about the Packers' organization
and how he thought they weren't there for him at
that time when he was going to have career ending
next surgery.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Here you go, here's.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The only thing that the Packers did that bothered me.
Not one person called to say, how'd your surgery go?
Because they're fixing my spine right that I could well,
I could roll out of there and never walk again.
I could die on the operating table. Not one person
from the organization said, hey, you know, how'd your surgery go?
(01:58):
Not the cold one person and from the organization was like, hey,
look man, god, we'll pull them for you. You know,
let us know if you need anything. Not one person
in the organization. I don't think you understand that. Player, trainer,
front office, cod, damn no one. That's the only thing
that bothered me. Not one player, Not one player. And
(02:21):
it was so funny that I never thought about it
until the Hall of Fame happened, and when the Hall
of Fame happened. Now I start to hear from people
in the organization, and I'm saying to myself, how do
I feel about that? Honestly, Like, you know what, when
(02:41):
I was at my proverbial lowess, never heard of me
what you would perceive as my highest I really don't
need to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Wow, interesting stuff right where I get it from his standpoint,
and listen, you had to condense that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It's like a.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Four minute thing, and so there are some bits and
pieces in there where Sterling Sharp is saying, hey, man,
I get it. It's the end of the season. Players
go their separate ways. An organization starts thinking about what's next.
What are we going to do in the offseason, what's.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Our game plan?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You know, we might have babies that are being born,
We're going on vacation here there, Like everybody just goes
their separate ways. So he's like, I get it. I
get it to a degree. But you can tell that
that bothered him, and he would say at times he's like,
I'm not disappointed.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm not hurt, and it's like I think you are.
I think and you have a reason to be.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, like, man,
that was that was rough. I didn't hear from one soul,
not one person, And I just thought that was an
interesting take. I had to share that with you guys,
because I guess that's the broader version of this.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It's I think it's hard for athletes to really buy
in to the team aspect when so many times the
business shows you that a lot of times you're just
on your own, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's
the bigger takeaway from this. How many times have you
heard players as like I didn't hear from my own
(04:21):
own organization that I was traded, that I was released.
I caught it on Twitter, like I saw a tweet
about it. I saw it on Sports Center. They didn't
even bother to tell me I was released, had no
clue like stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
How can you if.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's on your resume, that's, you know, something that you've
experienced along the way, and you're on your new team.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now, how do you fully buy into team? Team?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Team, team, everything's team? How many times do you hear,
especially about the NFL, it's a business. You hear that
about pro sports all the time, NBA, MLB. It's a business.
There's some stuff that's cutthroat that as cold as it
can be, Like how do you buy in? How do
you not develop this mentality of like, man, I got
(05:10):
to look out for myself first and foremost, because that's
what the business does to you. It teaches you lessons
the hard way. And I feel like some organizations just
get the simplest thing things wrong. How do you not
reach out to Sterling Sharp? Not one person like, hey, bro,
this is next surgery. Let us know if you need anything,
(05:32):
just wanted to check in. How'd everything go?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Not?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
How do you get that wrong?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And I'm sure everybody's looking at everybody like man, one
of us should have checked in, Like a lot of
you should have checked in. I don't know how an
organization messes up simple things. A lot of it's just
common decency, it's just common courtesy. You know, if your
friend was going in for next surgery, probably show that
(06:00):
person that you cared in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Right, it's a simple thing.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Well see, I have some thoughts on this, Brian. Okay,
And I'm glad you said that right there, because I
had not heard this sound clip before and listening to it,
and while I agree with the correlation that you're making
about teams kind of treating it way too much like
a business and you know, guys finding out that they
got traded through social media. I get that because with
(06:26):
things like that, like trades, there's only certain number of
people in the organization that know about it anyway, and
they're the ones. You know, it's a lot easier for
you know, four, five, six to you know, ten guys
to look at it like this is a business and
you know, we got to keep this under wrap for
whatever reason. But then when it comes to what Sterling
(06:47):
Sharp was saying in that SoundBite, my initial reaction was
one of two things. Either one, he's over exaggerating and
there was somebody that reached out to him or no,
or two he's an a hole, you know, Like how okay,
because I would get maybe, you know, you might want
(07:09):
somebody from like some higher up in the organization to
reach out to you, the team president, GM, whatever, and
they might not and that might be cold, and I
can understand that happening. But he said not a single person,
not a trainer, not a teammate, nothing, So he cultivated
any relationships while on the team to where somebody would
like reach out and know that he was going into
(07:30):
surgery that day. I think that says more about him
as a person or or he's over exaggerating and he's
just not thinking of you know, the equipment manager who
actually did shoot him a text, you know, like all right, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, I hear what you're saying. That would be funny
if you get all these X packers that were like.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
What the hell's he talking about?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I called him four times before surgery after surgery.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But the other part of I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Think of some of the like all time a holes
of the NFL, Right, like to think of some players
that had a REP that were disliked by a lot
of their teammates, Like whatever your short list is, Aaron
Rodgers comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Not every teammate is fond of Aaron Rodgers. He's been
a diva at times, you know, all that sort of stuff.
But not everybody is anti Rodgers. There are some dudes
that will ride and die with Aaron Rodgers, you know
what I mean. And I think that's the case for
a lot of people in the NFL. Where certainly they
(08:37):
ruffle feathers, they have their enemies, maybe even on their
own team, they have their detractors and all that's earned,
but typically not the entire organization is against you, like
a unified decision. Like, man, this freaking guy defines a
hole like.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
He's walking about. I just can't buy them. Sterling Sharp
was that guy.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There isn't one person that's on board to even a
to the point where they're like reaching out.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
He's having neck surgery, his career is over.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I just can't imagine he was that hard to get
along with and everyone was just nope, out on this guy, no,
thank you. I just don't think it rises to that level. Man,
that would be an extreme case of ahle ness. If
there is such, you know, a term, we'll just invent
one right there. But I get it, I get where
(09:32):
why your head went there. I just don't think that's
the case.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Well, then then you just got to say that, you know,
there's a couple hundred people on the packers organization that
then they're all a holes, like not one reached out.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I think it's one.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I mean, I guess you know what we're talking, you know,
nineteen ninety something so I guess there wasn't really it was, right, Well,
that's true text messaging, Like, yeah, you take that.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Into account, right, Yeah, the time period we're talking about
is like, yeah, this is pre cell phones. We're not texting,
we're not on Facebook, we're not dming.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's just so so much easier to get in touch
with people.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean you can relate to this, right, Like a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You know, I'm a little older than you, Coop, but
you're old enough where when the grade school year was over,
you just went your separate ways, ye, and you didn't
communicate with anyone until you were back at school with
them again.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
You didn't see them.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
They just weren't involved in your lives at all, because
that's just.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
The time it was.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
You might not have even recognized them.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, right, like if you were unless you were friends
and you were gonna hang out or see them that way,
you just didn't see or communicate with anyone until you
were physically together again back at school or whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right, So yeah, that part of it, that does make
some sense.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
He did have a house line, you know, you could
you could reach out to people even at that time.
But yeah, we are talking his career ended in nineteen
ninety four, that that's a much different day and age
than now with cell phones and social media and all
that good stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
So, I mean, you know what, I didn't initially take
that into account with my with my take the you know,
having to actually call somebody on the phone and either
talk to them or you know, leave leave a voicemail.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah right, the old answering machines and all that. Sure, Yeah,
but you could have you could have done that. I
think what happened was, you know, the season ended, you
went your separate ways, and probably hearing this from Sterling Sharp,
I would bet Coop. I bet there are a lot
of people players, trainers, front office members, a part of
that packers organization that heard that and felt like, wow,
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he's totally right.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
How did I not reach out?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's a simple phone call, like hey man, thinking about
you thing good post surgery. They're probably like, I should
have done that at least what was I doing? Like,
sometimes you don't mean anything by it and you just
don't do something you should do. I think that very
easily could have been the case.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
No, I think you're right, because I'm thinking about me
and my like if you know, putting those shoes on.
I I'm the type of person that will reach out.
But it's so easy to shoot a text message and
be like, hey, man, how's it going.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, yeah, you're doing okay.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
But if I had to like actually call and talk
to them on the phone.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, I know, right, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, no, no doubt.
But man, when you didn't even know what text messaging was,
you know, that's different too. I can see now that
you're protext and talking, but when your only option was talking.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Wasn't as bad, Like it was a pretty good option
at the time.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I hate man, interesting stuff there,
but we'll see. I would love to know if any
former packers from that time, if they make any statements,
you know, just keep your your ears open, eyes open.
If anybody goes on a podcast or something and says, yeah,
he was right, man, I should have reached out to him,
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like my bad on that. There was a drop of
the ball by me. But I can understand why Sterling
Sharp would would feel like that. You know what's funny too,
last little layer, I'll mention, as guys, there's something in
you that doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Be completely vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You could hear like I had to whittle it down
from four minutes, but it's it's littered with not one
person reached out. And then he'd be like, I'm not mad.
I mean, I'm not even disappointed really, and it's like, no,
you are. You just don't want to admit that because
there's something in our DNA where you just can't. You
can't show vulnerability, you can't show weakness. But it hurt him,
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and it's understandably so that it hurt him. It's just
hard to say that. It's it's hard for guys just
be like, man, that really hurt bad, because he's just
kind of like manly.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It doesn't even really bother me.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Really, I an't thought about it until the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Now, really, it hadn't thought about that
for like what thirty years.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Had crossed your mind one time?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay, you know, but hey man, that's a you got
to you gotta read through the guy lines from time
to time.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You know, when a guy's like, oh no, I'm.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Not even really bothered by that, chances are he's incredibly
bothered by that. It is hard to admit all we
get to the militia right around the corner eight seven,
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Speaker 2 (15:35):
It is Fox Sports Radio. I'm Brian though In for
Big Ben Malor. Yeah, So I'll get to the militia
here in just a couple of minutes. Real fast though,
quick take. I mentioned happy tears for Justin Cooper, our guys.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
So the.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
QB Tiars list will come out next week. So Mike Sando,
he was at ESPN. He's at the Athletic right now.
But he's done this QB Tiers list for this like
the twelfth or thirteenth year he's done it. And so
he asks a bunch of people in the NFL that
cover the NFL all that sort of stuff for their
(16:15):
opinions on the top quarterbacks. He puts this extensive list together,
has a bunch of quotes in it, and anyway, there's
a little, I guess like a little preview of the
tiers list that's coming out next week. And he wrote
in one of the Athletics newsletter, it's their football newsletter,
that the way that the twenty twenty fourth draft class
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stacks up after their rookie season. So think of the
six quarterbacks who were drafted.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
In the first round.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And so the only thing that he really revealed is
that Caleb Williams, the Bears quarterback, is fourth among the
six quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He's ranked fourth.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And so if you think about this, it has to
be where Jade and Daniel was obviously number one last season,
tremendous job with the Commanders number two. At this point,
it's got to be bow Knicks, damn straight right. Bo
Knicks had a really good rookie season, and I guess
if Caleb Williams is four, it means Drake May with
the Patriots got to be three because JJ McCarthy didn't play.
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He's got to be ranked sixth right now among the
six quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round last year,
and Michael Pennix Junior's got to be fifth because he
only started three games. Caleb Williams started the entire season.
That's got to be the order. I don't see how
the order could be any different than that. But how
about that bow Knicks ranked second, just behind Jayden Daniels.
(17:43):
He's ahead of Drake May, ahead of Caleb Williams. Think
about that. If that's the list as it stands right now,
you got Bo Knicks taking twelfth overall, and he's ranked
ahead of the number one overall player taken quarterback Kayleb Williams,
and the number three overall player taken in May. That's
pretty good, not too bad for bon Nicks, right there.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Coop I think there was a week, uh, pretty deep
into the season. I think for one week Bonnicks had
the better odds on Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well yeah, right then Jaden Daniels no kidding, Yeah, yeah,
it was. He had it going for a little bit
there and again put up good numbers. It's just Jaden
Daniels was electric, that dude.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know some of the.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Wins that like the Hail Mary against the Bears, you know,
some of these plays, it's just like, okay, all right,
we get it. He's rushing for almost nine hundred yards
like he was. He was incredible, and he took over
for a team that won four games the year before,
like your Broncos the year before, they were eight and nine, Coop,
they won twice as many games as Washington the year before.
(18:50):
You know, those rookies got there. So Jaden Daniels took
over an even tougher situation and got him to the
NFC title game.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That was amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That was an amazing one of the best. I think
the best rookie season of all time from a quarterback
in what Jayden Daniels did last season. But yeah, Drake
may third, then Caleb Williams I think that's the spin
it forward. I think that's the interesting scenario here is
who do you think is gonna have a better season?
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You think it's gonna be Drake May with the Patriots
or number one overall pick Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Is he gonna turn the corner?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Like?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I get the skepticism, but Caleb Williams was drafted number
one for a reason. He's a very talented quarterback, got
a lot of weapons to work with now with an
offensive minded head coach, there are reasons to be optimistic
about the guy. It just feels like it's a hard
sell right now. Don't you get that impression where it's
like to really get some like no, really, there are
(19:51):
reasons to buy I know, forget the net video throwing
the ball into the.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Net and missing. I know that's freaking you out right now.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Seems like a hard sell to get someone to truly
buy into Caleb Williams having a really good season and
maybe moving up this list of the quarterback tiers at
least in his draft class. You know where he ranks
among those guys. Just funny, did you think we would
be here? I mean that's a good question. After year one,
do you think we would be here with you're having
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to really sell someone on Caleb Williams maybe moving up
a tick or two from the fourth best quarterback in
his draft class.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Here we are, here, we are. I do think it's
a tough sell. I buy in.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I think he's gonna have a good year. I still
think that he can have a very good career. But
I do think it's a tough sell right now. A
lot of people think otherwise. A lot of people are not,
as you know, they're not banging the table thinking, Oh,
this dude's going to be awesome. All right, let me
get out to the phones. The militia is lined up
over here. My guy Emmett is in Olympia, wants to
check in.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
What's going on? Emmett, You're on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Brian, know what's going on? How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Good? Blud? How are things pretty good?
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Man?
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Pretty good?
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Now?
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
About the Kleb Williams Drake may thing. In terms of
who's going to have a better season, I'm not saying
that the Bears are going to do anything crazy and
like win the division or anything. But I do see
a lot of improvement coming out of Kayleb Williams this year.
Not only did they bring in a guy like Ben
Johnson who is an offensive mastermind, and a lot of
people make the argument of, oh, maybe a coordinator can't
be a good head coach when we've seen that plenty
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of times. But ultimately, what this is going to do
for the Chicago Bears is it's going to bring them
more development for Caleb Williams, which out of all these
guys they could have gone for in the offseason, I
think Ben Johnson was one that you had to hire,
So I think that's a good thing. And on top
of that, you have to think the offensive line they
Brodn got like Jonah Jackson during the offseason. They're really
trying to fix what was a big issue, a big
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glaring hole in the Bears offense last year where Kayleb
Williams got absolutely mollywot Brian no. So I expect a
big uptick from him. I'm not really buying the Patriots
too much in terms of Drape may success. He might
do a little bit success, But I think Caleb Williams
this is easier to take off a lot more weapons,
better O line, and a better I don't know about
better coaching situation, But I think for his needs, I
(22:13):
think he'd be served better than having Mike Brabil there.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Okay, yeah, I hear you interesting for sure. No, I
appreciate you checking in. Good to hear from you, Emmitt
good stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's the thing, man is, Look I get it in
terms of let's say a young quarterback having a defensive
minded head coach, and you're like, yeah, I don't know
if it's Look at Caleb Williams with the Bears, right,
he had Matt Eberflus and didn't have a great offensive court.
He had a bad offensive coordinator until you know, he
(22:44):
got fired midway through the season. So not like offensive
gurus just surrounding Caleb Williams, and that can make it
more difficult. But I mean, listen, I just talked about
Jaden Daniels and how specially he was he had a.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Defensive minded head coach and Dan Quay you know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So all I'm saying is it could make it a
bit tougher for a young quarterback to succeed with the
defensive minded head coach. But it's not impossible. It's definitely
not impossible. And we'll see. We'll see with Vrabel how
he does with a young quarterback in Drake May, that's
something to keep an eye on. I think if you're
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looking at Caleb Williams versus Drake May, who's gonna have
a better season, Like Caleb Williams has such better weapons.
He's surrounded by a lot of talent, unless he's just
screwing things up and not getting it and not turning
a corner. I just think that the supporting cast is
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way better than it is in New England. When you've
got listen what he has to throw to Caleb Williams.
He's got an upgraded offensive line that helps. First and foremost,
he's got Roma Dunza, who's a number nine overall pick.
He's got Colston Loveland, rookie tight end from Michigan, top
ten overall pick. Dj Moore is a good wide receiver.
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They got Luther Burden in the second round, the Missouri
wide receiver who put up crazy numbers a couple of
years ago. And as a talented guy like that's a
lot to work with. That's a cole Kabet is a
starting level tight end. They've got him too, and they
you know, coincidentally enough, they got one of Jaden Daniels'
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backup receivers and Zakias Olamide.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And I know you're like, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That's gonna do wonders Like he's a legit, like serviceable
wide receiver who's dependable.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You're gonna catch some basses.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That's a much better supporting cast than what Drake May has.
Drake May look at their weapons, like objectively, what.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Does he have? He's got?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
He's got Stefan Diggs, who's been banged up a couple
of times. In terms of what happens to throw to.
I like Hunter Henry as a tight end. But who
are your wide receivers. You've got Kayshawn Boody to Mario Douglas,
Kendrick Bourne. They drafted Kyle Williams out of Washington State.
That is a lean wide receiving corps. Now, I do
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like Trevon Henderson, rookie running back out of Ohio State.
So I don't want to make it sound like Drake
May has nothing. But if you're looking at Bears versus
Patriots and the supporting cast for the quarterback, it's advantaged.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Bears all day long.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And so it's like, man, Caleb Williams should outperform Drake
May this year. Doesn't mean he will, but he should.
Let's get back to the militia. We've got Alejandro over
in Filmore. He's got some thoughts for us.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What's going on? Man, you're on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
Hey Dumbo, come on, Dumbo.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I thought you were calling me Dumbo for a second.
I was like, oh shoot, I you know, no, I
got okay, Dumble, your big Disney like Dumbo, fan of
the Disney.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Listen to you for like three hours, Dumbo Dumbombo's all right?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Not a not a raving review from a coop over there, Alejandro,
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Those pink elephants?
Speaker 10 (26:21):
What would you say me? How wouldn't you say?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
She said the pink elephant. She likes the pink elephants.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Oh and and it's come on, I don't understand. You
need to understand the way things work. Uh huh okay.
And it is fantastic. Thanks for having any show, Brian.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I literally I've driven seventeen hours.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh man, you're driving now?
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Stop?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Where are you driving from? In two? Where are you
going Alejandro?
Speaker 10 (27:04):
From Portland down to Fillmore.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Wow, you're like Larina with these long trips over there.
My goodness.
Speaker 10 (27:13):
Hey you're gonna do.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You're either like very low on sleep or you're bending
a couple of elbows behind the wheel over there, Alejandro,
what's going on with you, buddy?
Speaker 10 (27:26):
Hey, no, no, I have my dog. I have my dog.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Okay, that's a black fan.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
She's whipping. She's like, hey, wa the help.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Okay, that's good. I'm glad she's providing the wake up
call over there. Very nice. That's needed, good man.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
Yes, yes, I have a black demon jepper and cheese
straight up, you know. And people might say where things
be like yeah, I was said being with a black girl.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
You know, that's just the way it works.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Come on, all right, hey, so fine man. Yeah, let's
let Alejandro get back to driving, all right, Yeah, no problem,
good stuff, Alejandro.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He'pe you get there safely, man, It's yeah, all right. Dumbo.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Let's add Dumbo to the Disney list right there. You guys,
you Lorena, you have more love than Coop for Dumbo.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Oh yeah, I definitely love Dumbo.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
The big ears always hurt my heart.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And his mom gets locked up and she like swings
him in her trunk.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
What's the longest drive you've been on Lorena.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
My family used to go to Montana.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I think that's probably the.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Longest from like what from socol Oregon?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
From Oregon? Okay, that's pretty good, Coop. You got any
crazy long distance drives over there?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Are you talking? And now? So I have to kind of,
you know, specify here are you talking me driving? Or
just a long drive? And you're talking about one like
start to finish?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I love this, but see you are the thinking man
of answering questions. This is important because these distinctions matter.
Let's start off with long drive for you, and then
I want the follow up answer of a long drive
you participated in.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
But we're not solely responsible for.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Okay, so I for me, I think the longest drive
is here to I don't know if here to San
Francisco is longer or from San Francisco to Portland.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
M Yeah, I don't know either. It gotta be somewhat similar.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I think Frisco to Portland is longer.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I would You're probably right, Yeah, it might be.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Actually even Frisco to Oregon is eight hours like to
Roseberg where I live, and Portland is three hours farther
north than that.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, you gotta still get through a healthy portion of
California before you get to again.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Okay, so that's from San Francisco to Portland. That's the
longest one that I've done.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Okay, and that was that was for a rage against
the machine show. What was going on there?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
What was I? I think I was just vis that's
when I that's when I stayed at your place in Portland.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Oh really?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, when I wasn't there. Yes, yes, I stayed at
my place. I wasn't even around. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I have no idea why.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I love that you guys have all these memories together.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah that's hilarious, man, Yeah, very good, very nice. Yeah,
there's been a lot of Oh my gosh, the long
long distance drive don't bother me at all.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It doesn't bother me whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Man, I'm telling you, Lorena, we talked about is you
gotta have sunflower seeds. That's what I should have told
told Alejandro. Hopefully still it works like a charm.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
At any time I feel even a little bit drowsy,
I just start chewing sunflower seats.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And there's something about.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
You know, cracking them open, you know, getting like working
it out getting the seed in your mouth and then
spitting out the shell. There's something about it that just
kind of stimulates your brain, wakes you up.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I don't know what it is. It's a magical formula.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It's the perfect thing to keep you don't even worry
about like the five hour energy stuff. Just choose some
sunflower seeds. Man, it works every single time. I swear
by it. All right, let me get out to Blind
Scott real fast. We got our guy, Blind Scott. What's
going on, Bud? You're on Fox Sports Radio with Sophie.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
I'm just having a cold bird right now, taking a
couple of Bond hits. I was thinking about Drake May.
You know Drake May. He's like a pure athlete, this guy,
Drake May. I like Caleb Williams better by personally. I
also think he's a better athlete. But I think they're
both really really good quarterbacks. They're both great for the NFL.
(31:42):
Like the Patriots are in a rebuilding year this year,
so you're not going to see like them. If anything
does happen, if they made the plass for anything, will
be amazing. But did you see Mike Frable today? He
jumped in. He was like his faces blead and how
did that happen? Like a helmet hit the side of
his chain, he can cut it or whatever. Probably wasn't
wasn't really what it what it seemed like, you know, Yeah,
(32:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I just know there was a there's a you know,
a little fisticuffs going on right there, and uh, Traveon
Henderson he was he's picking up a blitz like he
had pass protection and somehow you know how it is
and joint practices. There's a little bit of a dog pile,
a little skirmish and freaking Rabel just jumps in the
middle of the thing and a little bit bloody coming
(32:25):
out of it. But man, all those Patriot players are like, yeah,
that's what we like to see from our head coach.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So yeah, it was a fun training camp story. I thought,
good stuff.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
They got some good sound bites on the team too.
They got a guy that likes to dress up like
an animal like and not wear shoes. You know his name,
I can't his name right now.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Patriots play.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Yeah, he got drafted. He wears no shoes and he
wears muppet costumes. So he yeah, and then remember when
you worked for the India and a journal and you
interviewed Fred Tutchery. You know, so Fred was talking about
he's going to retire. No, Brian knows, Fred Putcher.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Bland Scott's talking about mc collins.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh the okay, he's not a rookie. If it's mac collins. Yeah,
the receiver. He'll walk around with me.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
He doesn't wear sneakers. He walks around with no shoes,
with no shoes on, and yeah, wear I'm really into this, Actually,
I'm really into this guy. Is he going to be
Is he going to be like a big big Is
he going to be a big player on the Patriots?
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Now?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Like mccollins is an okay, like role player, but he's
not going to be like like a major asset or
something like that. He's and I don't Yeah, he's like
an okay, like three receiver, that type of thing.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Question. So in football, it's hard for one player to
stand out. What does it take for like somebody to
really capture the media on a team like the Patriots,
there's a bunch of nobody's on there right now, Like
they need a player that can get on like a
sound bite type of guy that to pump the fan
base up. But there's everybody is just there's a lot
of nobody's on the team, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, well, all h to do is go to a
party with like a cocaine like substance and then poof,
you know, you got notoriety like Stefine Digs right, like
it's the fine Diggs. I'm kidding about that. But he's
got some personality there, you know. But I hear you like,
largely it's do your job, lunch pail, head down. There's
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not a whole lot of you know, like bells and
whistles and personality over there. But that's been the way
it is, has been for a long time. Thank God
for Gronk, right, Like Gronk was the saving the force
over there for so many years. It was funny. I
appreciate your call, blind Scott. Good to hear from you, man.
It was funny. Like I was working in Alboy, New York,
(34:49):
long time ago doing sports radio and I can't remember
I try to find I can't remember. There was like
a third round wide receiver that the page it's had
from North Carolina. I can't remember the guy's name off
the top of my head. I could look for it.
But he didn't have great success or anything like that.
But anyway, my producer he had just started working there
(35:11):
and this is the first interview that he booked, and
he's elated. I think he wore a suit and tie
to the radio studio while we're pre recording this interview.
You know, we weren't able to do it live, and
I had this I'm trying everything. I'm like, hey man,
(35:31):
what about this story.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I'm trying. I'm trying to make it good.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And he's just like Minnie Belichick, no bells and whistles, straightforward,
like nothing interesting. I'm like, dude, we can't even air
this interview.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Like the producer was crushed. He worked so hard to
get this interview. We couldn't even air it.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
There was just nothing in there that was interesting at all.
But that's been the case for a lot of players.
Nothing wrong with it, but it is not the most
interesting team of personalities. But you have some every now
and then, Gronk Edelman, you know, you get some good
personalities sometimes.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
All right, let's get to coming up.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Gosh, oh, there's an interesting opinion from a basketball coach
about a day being dead. No longer are we gonna
see something that we saw plenty of years ago. I'll
get to that coming up. I'm Brian no In for
Big Ben Maller. This is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller
Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It is Fox Sports Radio. I'm Brian though in for
Big Ben malor.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
So. I saw this.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I saw a video with Rick Patino, who's the head
basketball coach at Saint John's right back in college, had
a lot of success last season. They they they fizzled
out in uh in March madness. They're turning the ball
over like crazy, couldn't make layups. You. It was ugly
but really good season for Rick Patino. But what caught
(37:02):
my attention was he was talking about the point guard
in basketball basically being no more.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
And I thought it was an interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Take, and he he didn't just think about the college game.
He's talking about the pro game in particular. Now, the
audio isn't great, you know how it is at basketball practice.
Basketball is bouncing in the background and stuff like that,
but at one point I think you'll be able to
hear what he's saying well enough. And at one point
he's asked by a reporter. He's like, well, what would
(37:35):
you say about Jalen Brunson, the Knicks point guard? Right
because Patino was talking about man, we don't have any
point guards anymore. These guys are looking to score. And
the reporter's like, well, what would you say about Jalen Brunson.
So that's all you need to know is sit back
and let the wisdom.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Of Patino just wash over you. Here you go.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
There are no point ouds anymore. Now if you find it,
you'll probably describe him as a guy who can't shoot me.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
He's a combo scoring gud.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
I don't think he's looking for the assists. I think
he's looking at.
Speaker 11 (38:07):
A squad, and thank god he is.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
I said this in a team.
Speaker 11 (38:11):
Who's the pointcut in the Knicks, just the Lakers, Celtics,
the champion, World champions. The pointcout is totally done in basketball.
The days of John Stockton are long gone. There are
no more pointcuts. Chris Paul is probably the last one.
So you got to play with everybody handling the basketball
(38:33):
five out and just create good movement.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I thought that was interesting, Whereas like, the point guard
is completely dead in basketball, and I get why he's
saying that. If you compare it to years ago and
what the point guard used to be and what it
is right now, I could understand how you would say
it's dead. I would prefer to say it's evolved a lot.
(38:59):
But you still get some of these guys. Trey Young
is a good example of this with the Hawks, where
he had nearly twelve assists per game. You know, he's
dominating the ball. He's got the ball in his hands
all the time. It's not like your center is handling
the rock. You have to have five dudes that can
handle the ball. He handles the ball all the time.
(39:20):
He's a high assist guy. And then he's also looking
to score. He's like Rick Patino said, he's a combo guy.
He's looking to score and he's also looking to dish.
But yeah, if you if your definition of a true
point guard quote unquote is a guy that's looking to
pass first and score second, Like, yeah, a lot of
(39:41):
those dudes don't exist anymore. There aren't a whole lot
of those dudes around. They mentioned Shake, Gilgess, Alexander. He's
not looking to distribute, He's looking to put the basketball
in the basket. That's what he's looking to do. It's
not say never distributes, but he's looking to score first
and foremost. And so I can understand why you would
say it's dead. I just don't think it goes to
(40:03):
that degree. I think we still have guards that score
a lot. They're focused on scoring, but that's not their
sole mentality. They're still looking to dish the rock. But yeah,
I'll meet them halfway and say, now, more than ever,
point guards are looking to score first, dish second. That's
typically what you run into. But interesting take from him
(40:24):
coming up next. It's a much needed change for a
very slow starting team.
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