September 25, 2024 • 33 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay celebrates with one of the biggest wedding dress designers in the world. Miss Hayley Paige is back and better than ever, finally getting her name/likeness back after 3.5 years. How she was able to stay so positive in the middle of a legal battle that would take away her dream, her collection, her job as a designer, and eventually her name is truly incredible!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a Mental Wealth podcast
Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a Mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.
I am Jay Glazer, and I haven't had too many
return guests, and in a way, it's a return guest,
but she's it's kind of everything that's old it's new again.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And let me explain here.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
If you guys remember a while ago, I had on
a very close friend of mine that I don't even
know if we're able to use her name back then.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Her name is.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Miss Haley Page, one of the biggest wedding dress designers
in the world, but got that her ability to design
dresses taken away from her and basically in an nil
thing name image. Likely she signed over to somebody else
and she has not been able to use her own
name for years. Well now she can't. She's got it back,
(00:58):
She's got her business back. She taking it by storm.
She has taken life with a vengeance. I love it.
Welcome in the one and only Miss Halle Page. It's
so gonna be able to call you that again. And
people here going, what do you mean she couldn't use
her name. But folks, let what Halle is about to
teach you all be a lesson to all of you
(01:20):
up who were coming up and saying, you know what,
I just want to give him the door right now.
So I'm gonna sign things over and I'll just deal
with it later on. It's a your your case study.
Here will be a great lesson for any young entrepreneur.
But even like I've seen it for years and you
know different sports and like you know, WW owns you
(01:41):
and early on, the UFC owns you early on.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But it's just incredible what you've gone through.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You're such a spiritual gangster to be able to fight
through all this and get it all back put Haley,
I'm gonna hand it over because you know, if they're
like all right, Glazier's ADHD's rambling again.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So Helly, let you go here, because again, our our listeners.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Remember you coming on the past and you were fighting
through it and there are certain things you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Say, but now you're able to be Miss HELLI page
once again.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yes, reunited, and it feels so good. I know, I'm
so excited and I just am so grateful for friends
like you, people that have been in my corner this
whole time, because I think the support system is really
what gave me that love and accountability through the toughest times.
And I'm happy to be an example now of you know,
(02:31):
what can happen early in your career and why you
kind of need to You owe it to yourself to
slow down and really make sure that the decisions you're
making early in your career won't set a bad precedent
for later or potentially hinder your ability to brand and
continue doing what you know you feel.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Like you've put on this earth to do.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
But now that I'm on the other side of the storm,
I mean, the legal dispute lasted a good three and
a half years, I am just really processing it all because,
as I said last time, when we were talking about
this and I was in the thick of it, you know,
I kind of detached from the idea of ever getting
my name back, and I said, Okay, well, what's going to.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Be most productive for me in this space?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And it was just to not rely on a certain
outcome to happen to move forward, and so I rebranded
as Chival. I launched a you know, non competitive product
in women's shoes.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And I kind of put wedding dress.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Design on the shelf for a while, and now that
it's like back in my hands, I'm just I am
so incredibly humbled by the experience and excited and energized
to get back out there. And I also want to
make sure I put literally one step in front of
the other in making this decision moving forward back into
the wedding dress space.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Now, I want people to understand here, because you were
saying like literally getting her name back, We literally mean this.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Halle lost the use of her name.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
She would So if you go on all these years,
Miss Haley Page on Instagram is one point two million followers.
It wasn't her. Somebody, some other dude controlled it and
she had to go buy a goal.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You used to.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Know I had all that glitters on the gram and
like all these different things instead.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Of her own name, which is just wild. So take
us you know again.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And for those who don't know, Hally here is one
of the biggest wedding dress designers in the world, has
been for some time, and they were continuing to sell
Miss Haley Page dresses, but it was not her for
the last three and a half.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Years, right, So the legal dispute, you know, obviously very nuanced,
but it kind of goes back to a contract I
had signed when I was twenty five, and you know,
obviously it was interpreted and enforced in ways that I
had never really anticipated or imagined, and so during that
time period I could not use my name. And the
(04:57):
social media aspect was a really inter sting element because
there's no, not a whole lot of case law with
respect to social media ownership.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
And what was.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Really really positive about the results in my situation is
that the second Circuit, the appellate Court, actually used basic
property law to make a decision in you know, determining
who actually owned that account, and so prior to even
my settlement in the lawsuit or the dispute, that the
(05:27):
account was awarded back to me. And I'm just super
grateful because I think that will make a positive landscape
for anyone that uses social media, both personally and professionally,
which is pretty much everyone now, right right.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But but but go back, so twenty five, you signed.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
A contract for how long the actually I don't remember
the initial term of it, but it was a long
it was a long term.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
We in that you signed over your name, image like this,
your name's your I.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Find the right for my name to be trademarked, right right, So.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Continue since this kind of where it gets icy is and.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Again you're twenty five, so we're getting a chance to
have your dream come true and not realizing your probably think, way, Man,
I got this chance, I'll do whatever i'd pay them, right.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I feel like I just relate to a lot of
just really hungry, eager, excited to show people what you
can do. And you know, obviously I want to now
be an example and a vessel for anybody that is
going into those big opportunities and what we don't know,
(06:35):
we don't know, and so it's always great to build
out an advocacy team around you, you know, really consult
with lawyers and take your time and making those decisions
to make sure that you can you can hold onto
your enthusiasm and know what you're capable of doing, and
also protect yourself and find a way so that everybody wins.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So here we are, three and a half years later.
You get your name back, You get the right to
do what you love back.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
First of all, well, there's so many ways I want
to break this down, but let's start the end here
when you finally hear your because there have been other
several other attempts in court to get your name back
that failed, right, and so you finally get the ability
to get.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It back and do what you love back. What's it
feel like?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
It's really actually so fulfilling, and I do feel different.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
It's hard to explain.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Because in a way I felt like Cheval was really
this moniker and it was a solution for me in
the ability to kind of move forward and say.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Chaval is her shoeline, folks. So I want you to
understand that.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Right, Chaval she is.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Chaval is the shoe brand, and we're thinking about dropping
that she is because now it like she she is
Haley Page too, So it's like I might be such
of all, but it's a sister brand now obviously, and
I'm trying to think of like what this alchemy is
going to be with Haley Page and Chaval. But I'm
so thrilled to be Haley Page again.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
And it does feel like a bit of a phoenix
moment and like.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
A rebirth because I feel like I stood up and
worked so hard to fight for it, you know, and
for there to be a very positive settlement and resolution
to it. That's all you can hope and pray for,
and that is what was achieved. And so I'm just
extremely grateful for that. And yeah, it's coming to terms
(08:29):
with being back in this position, but also I feel like.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I've learned so much.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So now it's like, Okay, how can I make sure
that this next chapter, you know, in turning the page
pun intended, is going to be just magical, you know,
And how can I make up for lost time? And
how can I also pay my respects to the support
system I've had.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
What was the hardest point during this fight, this battle, you.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Know, actually the hardest part of this the entire three
and a half years was Conrad going through a health
scare and that had nothing to do with, you know,
my legal dispute. But what was interesting about it is
that the perspective.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Is very loving other half. I'm not saying better half
because you're the best better half.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
He actually had a crazy healthcare almost almost lost him,
you know. And I think when you're going through something
where you're constantly it's like this inner psychological battle, right,
and it's it's very self analysis, where like your self
analysis is so important in those moments and you it's
not that you become obsessed with you know, what's going on,
(09:47):
because you have to have this outer experience as well.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
You can get really caught up in it.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And I think when you step outside of it and
you realize that there is so much to your life
and there's these relationships you have in these support systems,
and all of it boils down to are these very
basic things of.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Like love and respecting relationships.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And so when Conrad was going through his health, it
was like nothing else really matters, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
It just really put a huge spin on things.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
So April of this year was one of the tougher
months of my whole entire life in the last three
and a half years, and.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Then they ended up being one of the better months.
So I mean, right, yeah, But in the.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Early days we were talking about it, I'm not going
to let you side step this. We were talking about just
kind of traversing what this battle was going to be.
I want you to just I guess I kind of
want you to be able to lay out kind of
warnings to others of like, again, while you were in it.
This was the hardest thing about it, and the thing
that I had to keep faith that I can get
through it. But it was a thing that tested my
(10:51):
faith the most.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I think the thing that tested my faith the most
was taking the accountability and knowing that I had made
a mistake, right, and that I had clearly played a
role in some part of my life that led me
to that position, right, and to be able to look
at that, look at myself in the eyes and say,
(11:15):
you know, we're going to get through this, you know,
looking at myself and saying that and saying we're going
to take accountability for it, and you know we're here
and you're staring down the path forward. You know it
is like this will come to terms of psychoanalysis, right,
(11:37):
and learning how to basically say I am okay with
what is happening, and I'm going to accept it. And
I'm also not going to sugarcoat it, right, I'm not
I'm going to look at it very realistically because I
do say this a lot, but we suffer more in
our imaginations than we do in reality. And then looking
at the circumstances that are not in your favor, you
(11:59):
just say, are not going to be making the decisions.
I'm going to go ahead and decide what I want
to see in the future happen, and I'm going to
work toward that as opposed to waiting for a certain
outcome to come in terms of me moving forward. And
it can be tough because I don't think it's so
much about like, oh, I'm going to forgive myself, right,
(12:21):
because I think forgiveness is important, But I think what's
more important is really taking responsibility. And again, like because
I had this support system, it made me feel like
I owe it to them and I owe it to
myself to just find a way through it and be productive,
Like what can I do to actually.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
What's the next step?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
You know, and literally the steps we're creating shoes and rebranding.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
In a way. But that's tough.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I mean, this psychology of it all has been the
most challenging part. And I would also say working to
have built a brand and be so present for women
on the most you know, most important day of their
life for many of them, right to have been in
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that role and then feel like there was a shaky
situation happening, you know, like I just didn't want anything
to impact the beauty of those days and those memories
and those gorgeous dresses that were created, Like, how can
I preserve as much of that as possible while also
dealing with what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You're basically yeah, every time you're seeing a wedding, then
it's reminding you of the trauma that you're going through.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And weddings are your most sacred place.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Weddings are my most sacred place.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I feel like they have that passion and that sincerity
that I've always felt in this industry has remained fully intact.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
And I actually didn't feel.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Triggered by any bit of the designs and the dresses
and the women. In fact, that for me almost like
in the Beauty and the Beast when the rose is
in the glass container and it's being preserved, Like I
saw it kind of that way, because I think ultimately
I knew at some point, like I'm going to be
allowed to design again at some point, no matter if
(14:22):
it's in seven years, it's in ten years, whatever it is,
it's gonna happen. So like I knew that my ability
to design would be there.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Saying goodbye to my name.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Is really where I was like, Okay, I've got to
actually detached from this, and I think that was a
different It took a different set of skills to kind
of do that. But I thought creatively because I was like, well,
every album, new album that an artist comes out with
is like an opportunity to kind of rebrand and like,
what's the title of the album.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
And so for me, the name.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Chaval was kind of like that artistic expression not thinking
too much about you know, the impacts, but you.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Have to play mind game for yourself to be able
to get through it like that.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, yeah, And I think it also just gave me
a bigger sense of fortitude and when you're going through
these hardships and these moments that are really tough for
you emotionally or psychologically, knowing on me that at some
point it's going to be over right, because everything is temporary,
knowing that you're probably going to come out stronger and
(15:29):
changed for the better. You're going to learn something about
yourself that you didn't know. And so I can appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And that's literally what I'm breakable list right, the things
that are supposed to break you but didn't and as
a result, you come through the other side of that
tunnel stronger forever. And I told you also, you know,
not spoken right after, and I was like, look, Kelly,
there's only a couple times in life we really get
to find out.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Who we are, and you found out who you were.
You're not a quitter, You're a fighter.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You're much a fighter, more so than most of the
fighters I've been around.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So I know it sucked.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I know you had to go through this certain pain,
but you know you kind of go through this hell
to find out the heaven that is lurking behind your
eyes and behind your ribcage.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yes, yeah, well thank you, Jay.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I know it's hard to like really think of it
all in like one big, you know, fell swoop of
like whoa, like this happened, you know, and it's all
a work in progress.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Like every day, you.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Know, it's you're taking baby steps with every part of
your life. And there's moments of your life that are
down spirals, right, and there are moments where you're like,
you know what, I'm due for an up spiral, and
I'm very excited about that. And you know, one other
thing I kind of learned about myself in going through this,
(16:50):
because it took a very big financial toll as well,
is that I'm really glad to recognize that I have
very low operating costs me the human being, because if
I can work out and be physically active and get
some of that stress and energy out, that's that is
(17:10):
like a foundation for me. That's so important psychologically. And two,
if I have really really beautiful, inspiring, authentic people around me,
like those two things, you know, I can go a
long way and like.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Like those two things, and it's just like that's bare bones.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's like money, Yeah, you got to pay your bills
and find a way to do those things. But those
two things are like pretty much if I got that,
I'm like, oh, I feel okay about what.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Else have you learned about yourself during this fight that
you may not have known beforehand?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
What are their skills? You wrote? Oh you know what,
I'm able to do this now?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, the low operating cost is interesting because I'm a
fashion girly, right, and like, I love decorating your life, right,
And it's interesting when you don't have financials and the
luxury to kind of spend.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
For me, I was like, Okay, I'm going to upcycle
my wardrobe.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I'm going to really invest in appreciating what I have
and like, how can we embellish it. You know, how
can we take what we have and make it even
more exciting and stay creative with it. I would also
say that the physicality that I mentioned before, it really
really is my therapy. You know, like whenever I'm going
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through a moment where I'm really inside my brain and
I can't seem to get out of my own way
and I'm kind of doom scrolling in my brain, or
you're looking on Instagram and it just everything just doesn't
feel right. Getting out of your environment, going for a walk,
putting on some great uplifting music, just going for a
hard workout where you're almost like pushing yourself.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Into a difficult culty. That's physical. It kind of changes
the chemistry and your brain. And you know, growing up.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
A gymnast and like being a real hard competitor, I
realize that you're in a different state of flow. And
you're gonna love this because this is you, Like when
when you're in the ring, you know, and you're there's
nothing else you're thinking about but being in that moment,
and it shifts your focus right, and then when you
go back to that Okay, I'm back in my office
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or I'm back in my room and like your mind
has changed, and so like I've really come to appreciate
those shifts and ability for your body physiologically to kind
of direct a better mentality, and so like, I definitely
leaned into that during some of the harder moments over
the past few years.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
And then I think one of the other aspects I'm
very proud of is that.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Uh, I've really held on to my life for design
and just wanting to be as sincere as I possibly
can be, you know, and I'm somebody.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
That really trusts people, you.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Know, like I put myself out there and I really
believe in good faith, and I feel like that is
something I've really held onto. And when you go through
things that feel like a setback or it just there's
something about it that's just not making sense to you,
you know, there is a possibility for it to change
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who you are and how you see the world. And
for me, I feel like I'm still me and like
I still very much wear my heart on my sleeve.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And yeah, I have to.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Be a little more cognizant and hire lawyers and protect
myself and learn from my mistakes, but I still feel
like I'm still that sincerity is still there. And the
free fall and the trust fall that I think you
have to have, especially in the bridle industry, is there.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
You know, like I don't feel jaded, which is a
great feeling.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Which is great.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, yeah, completely different direction here when you're making a
wedding dress. So, like Brett michaels Uh asked him, He's
told me, Hey, every song starts with.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Either a word or an idea.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And when I'm doing Foxing Noville Sunday, everything I do
gets hooked with.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
One line. Like men, this whole.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Scoop that I'm going to report here for the next
minute a half is all based on a line that
I know is going to hook people in. When you're
about to design a wedding dress, take me through that
creative process of how it starts to the end.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Actually it's similar for me.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I really pull a lot of inspiration directly from women
I need, and there's like a bit of a connection
or a relatability or just even a communication through the
design process that I think is really important because ultimately
it is storytelling and that is what these great musicians do,
is that they tell a story, and so it brings
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that personification and it ties a loop back to the
original inspiration and the method.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
And the material in which you do that.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Whether it's in songwriting or it's in dress design, you
know that that communication.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Is still there.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
And so while every dress kind of goes through its
own little evolution, you know that initial spark, it typically
comes from, Okay, I'm having a conversation with this girl,
and she and I are relating to our teenage angst
ears where we listen to Alanis Morset.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And you know, Black Hole Sun.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And like, you know, like you have like this camaraderie
and that is what ignites this. Oh my gosh, could
you imagine a dress that has like these edgy stripes
on it, but then it's got this flow and oh,
Alanath Morsett talks about one hand in her pocket, what
of the dress head pockets? You know, and then like
you just kind of start like embellishing and creating a
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story through the dress. But it started from this place
of just authenticity, relatability.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
We're jiving here, you.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Know, and like I can imagine that's what musicians do
when they come up with music together and they're in
there like you know, think Tank, and you start riffing
with it and so I feel like I kind of
do that with dress wear, and music actually plays a
big role for me just because I it sets a
vibe and a tone typically and like a lot of
times I'm listening to either Fleetwood, Mac, Talking Heads, Led Zeppelin,
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or Pink Floyd and they're all like totally different moods,
but it like it sets an environment for me and
a rhythm that is really important, especially in like sketching.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
So that's kind of my process.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
But at the end, when you're getting close to, you know,
address being executed, it's into because it goes through a
phase of like construction where you're let's make the dress
make sense right. It's got to fit what right, It's
got to have the right boning in it. We have
to make it come alive and stand on its own
so that it fits the girl right. Because I don't
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believe that a girl needs to fit into the dress.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
I think the dress needs to fit.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
The girl, same with shoes, like it needs to work
for you. You shouldn't have to force yourself to fit
the dress. But when you're at that stage, I think
that's when there's a analchemy between the dress and the girl.
And for me, the dress is no longer mine. It
becomes hers, right, and it's almost like this passing of
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the torch, and it's almost like this I don't know,
like follow through and it takes on its own personality.
Then it becomes her story and so it's kind of
like a sisterhood of the traveling Dresses. But like, I
don't know how to make sense of that, but for me,
it completes the cycle of it and the storytelling, and
then it becomes her story to tell take start to finish.
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To do a wedding dress, it definitely depends on the dress,
but you know, it can take anywhere from six days
to six months or six years in my case, holding
over all of these dresses, and like, you.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Know, I changed my mind a lot. I think a
lot of designers do.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Like it's just part of like, Okay, I'm over it again,
move on, or oh I still love these elements and stuff.
And there's been dress ideas that I've been sitting on
for a few years right now that I like cannot
wait to bring to life, and it's just so exciting
that it's like opening Pandora's box.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know, Halle.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
For those who don't know Halle is a rock star
and I'll never forget like you. And I became friends
with many many many years ago, and shortly after that,
I was hanging with Sean Payton, now the head coach
of Denver Broncos him and they were fiance at the time,
now his wife, and I was like, yeah, I got
good friend Heley Page. And they both said miss Haley Page.
I said, Sean, how fuck do you know miss Haley Page?
Because what did't just designer? Oh manner stuff was great?
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I was like, wow, what, like, how was Oh my god?
But every time I've mentioned you to people, people I
would never expect to know who you are know who
you are, and you know, my friends are Nanderthals, so
I never expect them to know you, but they do,
which is which is absolutely wild. Who who is your
biggest kind of moment of that of someone who knew
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your work?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You're like, oh my god, Like this is wow? What
was your what was that moment for you? Have you
had one?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
It's interesting because I've definitely had the opportunity to address
so many like fabulous women in the industry film entertainment,
like Harry Underwood, Dove Cameron, like just Kelsey Vallerini, like
you know, and and all of these opportunities are just
incredibly exciting for me, But I actually almost feel more
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like thrilled when it's somebody that I've never met before
and were like in an airport or like in a
restaurant and a girl comes up and she's like you
made my dress, or like you made my sister's dress.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Can we facetimer? And it's so of.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
That moment and like random that we would we would
be in this position and like.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
There's that connection there, you know, and that there's no
separation and.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
All of a sudden, you feel this love and this
energy come out of nowhere, And that to me is
just as exciting as like, you know, getting to dress
some of these incredible personalities, because it's all really the
same thing.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Like if there is a girl that is.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Appreciating your designs, it doesn't even matter who she is,
where she's from, what walk of life. The fact that
we're relating on this is like super special. So I'm
like trying to think, like, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
When I named a dress after you.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
And became a topic on I think it was either
Twitter or Instagram, and the Rock was really jealous.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yes, well that that's why you did it, just to
piss off the Rock and straight hand for me on
my behalf.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Yes, yeah, it was like a battle between straight.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And get under there. I am loving it and.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
If I can get you to help me, absolutely, But
she made a glazer ground glazier gown with a power
nit fabric.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I might add I have my own fabric. Yes, we got.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
We got to bring that.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Thing back around.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I absolutely remember it. But also, you've been so instrumental folks.
You know Rosie and I again, we get married, uh
in May, and when we were first doing this, this
is Rosy's first marriage. Because Rosie's just taking care of
the rest of the world. She's taking care everybody else.
And the next thing, you know, she looks up and
she's like, man, my life has just gone past. And
she just figured, okay, I'm just never going to do it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And I just posted something about this recently.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
She always felt that there are these outside forces against
her and I did too, and we realized, like those
outside forces wrecks us. There's no secret monster, then nothing
in the universes against us. But a lot of people
kind of think that and get caught up and that's
our racket.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
So when it was when I proposed to her.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And folks, I'm so last minute, I'm like, and I
you know, I'm used to live TV. You show up,
you do it, You're gone, bat right, just not and
a Fox and fl said, we don't have any We
have like a short half production meeting. We don't really
rehearse bat That's how kind of our life is immediate.
And uh, I probably didn't, you know. We looked at
it and I'm like, yeah, we'll just get this done,
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this stuff done. And about three months before the wedding,
I'm like, all right, we got to sit down and
plan this.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
But I got no idea. Wait a minute. I got someone,
Miss Haley Page, she could come to our rescue.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And our fairy godmother came to our rescue and got
us a wedding planner, and our travel gangster Christine Andrews,
who's incredible and this and that and like cooked everything up.
And Rosie and I were sitting there her wedding going.
We had several toast to you because we're like, if
I didn't meet Halle, what we have done, we would
not have known how to get married.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
We really would have. And you think about that, there's
so much stuff to do. We did not know how
to get married.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Well, you guys did a really good job at it.
And the fact that you had a double rainbow on
your bid.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
God give us a gift.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yes, that's at all.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Well, we didn't know how to get married. He's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I was so happy to be a part of it because, honestly, Jay,
like from the moment we met at a swim up
pool bar in Cabo, I was already looking forward to
your wedding someday, and like.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
A special person would be.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And the fact that it is rosy like absolute heart
of golds and just the most magnetic girl like comes
into your life and you guys get to complete your
love story and I got to be a part of it.
Even considering all of the stuff I was going through,
it just was so.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Meaningful for me and I'm humbled by it and it's
an honor.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So hey, you know too, we didn't in this world.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You're great because we don't want to put more on
your plate. And you told us no, no, no, This
allows me to this distracts me from this, this helps
and it was just you hand us with such grace
and beauty, and I appreciate it well.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I love you both so much.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Life to the last thing I want to after last
thing I want to say to you, Okay, and because
I'm not going to do the unbreakable moment because we've
already done that in the last one and we know
now you've got another one.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Of you know, coming through this.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
But I really want you to understand, I know you
went through this is three and a half tough years.
Not only did she lose her name folks and her
business and have to spend a ton of money battling
back for it, but her man Conrad here, she said,
just went through a really bad health scare and it
was it was really scary. And I don't know how
much you want me to divulge about that or not,
but it was it was really, really scary. And I
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just want you to realize, like, don't try and figure
life out, Like I don't know why good things happen
to bad people or bad things happen to good people,
But don't try and figure life out because it just
drive you crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
And the way you have.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Handle all of it with a smile on your face
is something that I don't think you could minimize the
inspiration that you lead us all to. So you're so
inspiring to always do all this with a smile on
your face, it would be really easy for you to
go why me, why me?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Why me? And I never I never heard that from you,
and it was really inspiring.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I just want you to know that that is so
sweet that you say, Jay.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I honestly like I think it's from people like you
around me.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I do.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I genuinely think when you.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Have so much support and love constantly, it just brings
you to a place of Okay, I've got to show up,
you know, because I have this incredible reason to do
it every single day and get through the hard times
because of these incredible people around me. So I'm just
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happy to have had our friendship for as long as
we have.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
And you know, we get to have another wedding soon.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Absolutely, let's do it. Let's do it. You can use
my house in Malibuts at least I could do it
for you.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
That would be so epic.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Oh this hell.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And you know what, I want to get back now,
because we got sidetracked. We were making We're gonna make
wedding dresses for combat bets and let's get back to
doing that if we can. Now that you're able to
do that again, let's let's do some good. Let's use
your superpower to do some good together.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I'm in it, you designed it, I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
We're in right Wait, Miss Haley Page, I love you
so much. Thank you for joining us here in the
Unbreakable Podcast. So proud I could say. Our guest this
week is Miss Helly Page
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a Mental Wealth podcast
Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a Mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.
I am Jay Glazer, and I haven't had too many
return guests, and in a way, it's a return guest,
but she's it's kind of everything that's old it's new again.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And let me explain here.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
If you guys remember a while ago, I had on
a very close friend of mine that I don't even
know if we're able to use her name back then.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Her name is.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Miss Haley Page, one of the biggest wedding dress designers
in the world, but got that her ability to design
dresses taken away from her and basically in an nil
thing name image. Likely she signed over to somebody else
and she has not been able to use her own
name for years. Well now she can't. She's got it back,
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She's got her business back. She taking it by storm.
She has taken life with a vengeance. I love it.
Welcome in the one and only Miss Halle Page. It's
so gonna be able to call you that again. And
people here going, what do you mean she couldn't use
her name. But folks, let what Halle is about to
teach you all be a lesson to all of you
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up who were coming up and saying, you know what,
I just want to give him the door right now.
So I'm gonna sign things over and I'll just deal
with it later on. It's a your your case study.
Here will be a great lesson for any young entrepreneur.
But even like I've seen it for years and you
know different sports and like you know, WW owns you
(01:41):
and early on, the UFC owns you early on.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But it's just incredible what you've gone through.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You're such a spiritual gangster to be able to fight
through all this and get it all back put Haley,
I'm gonna hand it over because you know, if they're
like all right, Glazier's ADHD's rambling again.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So Helly, let you go here, because again, our our listeners.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Remember you coming on the past and you were fighting
through it and there are certain things you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Say, but now you're able to be Miss HELLI page
once again.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yes, reunited, and it feels so good. I know, I'm
so excited and I just am so grateful for friends
like you, people that have been in my corner this
whole time, because I think the support system is really
what gave me that love and accountability through the toughest times.
And I'm happy to be an example now of you know,
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what can happen early in your career and why you
kind of need to You owe it to yourself to
slow down and really make sure that the decisions you're
making early in your career won't set a bad precedent
for later or potentially hinder your ability to brand and
continue doing what you know you feel.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Like you've put on this earth to do.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
But now that I'm on the other side of the storm,
I mean, the legal dispute lasted a good three and
a half years, I am just really processing it all because,
as I said last time, when we were talking about
this and I was in the thick of it, you know,
I kind of detached from the idea of ever getting
my name back, and I said, Okay, well, what's going to.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Be most productive for me in this space?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And it was just to not rely on a certain
outcome to happen to move forward, and so I rebranded
as Chival. I launched a you know, non competitive product
in women's shoes.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And I kind of put wedding dress.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Design on the shelf for a while, and now that
it's like back in my hands, I'm just I am
so incredibly humbled by the experience and excited and energized
to get back out there. And I also want to
make sure I put literally one step in front of
the other in making this decision moving forward back into
the wedding dress space.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Now, I want people to understand here, because you were
saying like literally getting her name back, We literally mean this.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Halle lost the use of her name.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
She would So if you go on all these years,
Miss Haley Page on Instagram is one point two million followers.
It wasn't her. Somebody, some other dude controlled it and
she had to go buy a goal.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You used to.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Know I had all that glitters on the gram and
like all these different things instead.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Of her own name, which is just wild. So take
us you know again.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And for those who don't know, Hally here is one
of the biggest wedding dress designers in the world, has
been for some time, and they were continuing to sell
Miss Haley Page dresses, but it was not her for
the last three and a half.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Years, right, So the legal dispute, you know, obviously very nuanced,
but it kind of goes back to a contract I
had signed when I was twenty five, and you know,
obviously it was interpreted and enforced in ways that I
had never really anticipated or imagined, and so during that
time period I could not use my name. And the
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social media aspect was a really inter sting element because
there's no, not a whole lot of case law with
respect to social media ownership.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
And what was.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Really really positive about the results in my situation is
that the second Circuit, the appellate Court, actually used basic
property law to make a decision in you know, determining
who actually owned that account, and so prior to even
my settlement in the lawsuit or the dispute, that the
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account was awarded back to me. And I'm just super
grateful because I think that will make a positive landscape
for anyone that uses social media, both personally and professionally,
which is pretty much everyone now, right right.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But but but go back, so twenty five, you signed.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
A contract for how long the actually I don't remember
the initial term of it, but it was a long
it was a long term.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
We in that you signed over your name, image like this,
your name's your I.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Find the right for my name to be trademarked, right right, So.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Continue since this kind of where it gets icy is and.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Again you're twenty five, so we're getting a chance to
have your dream come true and not realizing your probably think, way, Man,
I got this chance, I'll do whatever i'd pay them, right.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I feel like I just relate to a lot of
just really hungry, eager, excited to show people what you
can do. And you know, obviously I want to now
be an example and a vessel for anybody that is
going into those big opportunities and what we don't know,
(06:35):
we don't know, and so it's always great to build
out an advocacy team around you, you know, really consult
with lawyers and take your time and making those decisions
to make sure that you can you can hold onto
your enthusiasm and know what you're capable of doing, and
also protect yourself and find a way so that everybody wins.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So here we are, three and a half years later.
You get your name back, You get the right to
do what you love back.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
First of all, well, there's so many ways I want
to break this down, but let's start the end here
when you finally hear your because there have been other
several other attempts in court to get your name back
that failed, right, and so you finally get the ability
to get.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It back and do what you love back. What's it
feel like?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
It's really actually so fulfilling, and I do feel different.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
It's hard to explain.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Because in a way I felt like Cheval was really
this moniker and it was a solution for me in
the ability to kind of move forward and say.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Chaval is her shoeline, folks. So I want you to
understand that.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Right, Chaval she is.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Chaval is the shoe brand, and we're thinking about dropping
that she is because now it like she she is
Haley Page too, So it's like I might be such
of all, but it's a sister brand now obviously, and
I'm trying to think of like what this alchemy is
going to be with Haley Page and Chaval. But I'm
so thrilled to be Haley Page again.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
And it does feel like a bit of a phoenix
moment and like.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
A rebirth because I feel like I stood up and
worked so hard to fight for it, you know, and
for there to be a very positive settlement and resolution
to it. That's all you can hope and pray for,
and that is what was achieved. And so I'm just
extremely grateful for that. And yeah, it's coming to terms
(08:29):
with being back in this position, but also I feel like.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I've learned so much.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So now it's like, Okay, how can I make sure
that this next chapter, you know, in turning the page
pun intended, is going to be just magical, you know,
And how can I make up for lost time? And
how can I also pay my respects to the support
system I've had.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
What was the hardest point during this fight, this battle, you.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Know, actually the hardest part of this the entire three
and a half years was Conrad going through a health
scare and that had nothing to do with, you know,
my legal dispute. But what was interesting about it is
that the perspective.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Is very loving other half. I'm not saying better half
because you're the best better half.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
He actually had a crazy healthcare almost almost lost him,
you know. And I think when you're going through something
where you're constantly it's like this inner psychological battle, right,
and it's it's very self analysis, where like your self
analysis is so important in those moments and you it's
not that you become obsessed with you know, what's going on,
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because you have to have this outer experience as well.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
You can get really caught up in it.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And I think when you step outside of it and
you realize that there is so much to your life
and there's these relationships you have in these support systems,
and all of it boils down to are these very
basic things of.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Like love and respecting relationships.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And so when Conrad was going through his health, it
was like nothing else really matters, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
It just really put a huge spin on things.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
So April of this year was one of the tougher
months of my whole entire life in the last three
and a half years, and.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Then they ended up being one of the better months.
So I mean, right, yeah, But in the.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Early days we were talking about it, I'm not going
to let you side step this. We were talking about just
kind of traversing what this battle was going to be.
I want you to just I guess I kind of
want you to be able to lay out kind of
warnings to others of like, again, while you were in it.
This was the hardest thing about it, and the thing
that I had to keep faith that I can get
through it. But it was a thing that tested my
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faith the most.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I think the thing that tested my faith the most
was taking the accountability and knowing that I had made
a mistake, right, and that I had clearly played a
role in some part of my life that led me
to that position, right, and to be able to look
at that, look at myself in the eyes and say,
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you know, we're going to get through this, you know,
looking at myself and saying that and saying we're going
to take accountability for it, and you know we're here
and you're staring down the path forward. You know it
is like this will come to terms of psychoanalysis, right,
(11:37):
and learning how to basically say I am okay with
what is happening, and I'm going to accept it. And
I'm also not going to sugarcoat it, right, I'm not
I'm going to look at it very realistically because I
do say this a lot, but we suffer more in
our imaginations than we do in reality. And then looking
at the circumstances that are not in your favor, you
(11:59):
just say, are not going to be making the decisions.
I'm going to go ahead and decide what I want
to see in the future happen, and I'm going to
work toward that as opposed to waiting for a certain
outcome to come in terms of me moving forward. And
it can be tough because I don't think it's so
much about like, oh, I'm going to forgive myself, right,
(12:21):
because I think forgiveness is important, But I think what's
more important is really taking responsibility. And again, like because
I had this support system, it made me feel like
I owe it to them and I owe it to
myself to just find a way through it and be productive,
Like what can I do to actually.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
What's the next step?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
You know, and literally the steps we're creating shoes and rebranding.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
In a way. But that's tough.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I mean, this psychology of it all has been the
most challenging part. And I would also say working to
have built a brand and be so present for women
on the most you know, most important day of their
life for many of them, right to have been in
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that role and then feel like there was a shaky
situation happening, you know, like I just didn't want anything
to impact the beauty of those days and those memories
and those gorgeous dresses that were created, Like, how can
I preserve as much of that as possible while also
dealing with what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You're basically yeah, every time you're seeing a wedding, then
it's reminding you of the trauma that you're going through.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And weddings are your most sacred place.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Weddings are my most sacred place.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I feel like they have that passion and that sincerity
that I've always felt in this industry has remained fully intact.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
And I actually didn't feel.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Triggered by any bit of the designs and the dresses
and the women. In fact, that for me almost like
in the Beauty and the Beast when the rose is
in the glass container and it's being preserved, Like I
saw it kind of that way, because I think ultimately
I knew at some point, like I'm going to be
allowed to design again at some point, no matter if
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it's in seven years, it's in ten years, whatever it is,
it's gonna happen. So like I knew that my ability
to design would be there.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Saying goodbye to my name.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Is really where I was like, Okay, I've got to
actually detached from this, and I think that was a
different It took a different set of skills to kind
of do that. But I thought creatively because I was like, well,
every album, new album that an artist comes out with
is like an opportunity to kind of rebrand and like,
what's the title of the album.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
And so for me, the name.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Chaval was kind of like that artistic expression not thinking
too much about you know, the impacts, but you.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Have to play mind game for yourself to be able
to get through it like that.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, yeah, And I think it also just gave me
a bigger sense of fortitude and when you're going through
these hardships and these moments that are really tough for
you emotionally or psychologically, knowing on me that at some
point it's going to be over right, because everything is temporary,
knowing that you're probably going to come out stronger and
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changed for the better. You're going to learn something about
yourself that you didn't know. And so I can appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And that's literally what I'm breakable list right, the things
that are supposed to break you but didn't and as
a result, you come through the other side of that
tunnel stronger forever. And I told you also, you know,
not spoken right after, and I was like, look, Kelly,
there's only a couple times in life we really get
to find out.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Who we are, and you found out who you were.
You're not a quitter, You're a fighter.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You're much a fighter, more so than most of the
fighters I've been around.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So I know it sucked.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I know you had to go through this certain pain,
but you know you kind of go through this hell
to find out the heaven that is lurking behind your
eyes and behind your ribcage.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yes, yeah, well thank you, Jay.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I know it's hard to like really think of it
all in like one big, you know, fell swoop of
like whoa, like this happened, you know, and it's all
a work in progress.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Like every day, you.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Know, it's you're taking baby steps with every part of
your life. And there's moments of your life that are
down spirals, right, and there are moments where you're like,
you know what, I'm due for an up spiral, and
I'm very excited about that. And you know, one other
thing I kind of learned about myself in going through this,
(16:50):
because it took a very big financial toll as well,
is that I'm really glad to recognize that I have
very low operating costs me the human being, because if
I can work out and be physically active and get
some of that stress and energy out, that's that is
(17:10):
like a foundation for me. That's so important psychologically. And two,
if I have really really beautiful, inspiring, authentic people around me,
like those two things, you know, I can go a
long way and like.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Like those two things, and it's just like that's bare bones.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's like money, Yeah, you got to pay your bills
and find a way to do those things. But those
two things are like pretty much if I got that,
I'm like, oh, I feel okay about what.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Else have you learned about yourself during this fight that
you may not have known beforehand?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
What are their skills? You wrote? Oh you know what,
I'm able to do this now?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, the low operating cost is interesting because I'm a
fashion girly, right, and like, I love decorating your life, right,
And it's interesting when you don't have financials and the
luxury to kind of spend.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
For me, I was like, Okay, I'm going to upcycle
my wardrobe.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I'm going to really invest in appreciating what I have
and like, how can we embellish it. You know, how
can we take what we have and make it even
more exciting and stay creative with it. I would also
say that the physicality that I mentioned before, it really
really is my therapy. You know, like whenever I'm going
(18:35):
through a moment where I'm really inside my brain and
I can't seem to get out of my own way
and I'm kind of doom scrolling in my brain, or
you're looking on Instagram and it just everything just doesn't
feel right. Getting out of your environment, going for a walk,
putting on some great uplifting music, just going for a
hard workout where you're almost like pushing yourself.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Into a difficult culty. That's physical. It kind of changes
the chemistry and your brain. And you know, growing up.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
A gymnast and like being a real hard competitor, I
realize that you're in a different state of flow. And
you're gonna love this because this is you, Like when
when you're in the ring, you know, and you're there's
nothing else you're thinking about but being in that moment,
and it shifts your focus right, and then when you
go back to that Okay, I'm back in my office
(19:29):
or I'm back in my room and like your mind
has changed, and so like I've really come to appreciate
those shifts and ability for your body physiologically to kind
of direct a better mentality, and so like, I definitely
leaned into that during some of the harder moments over
the past few years.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
And then I think one of the other aspects I'm
very proud of is that.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Uh, I've really held on to my life for design
and just wanting to be as sincere as I possibly
can be, you know, and I'm somebody.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
That really trusts people, you.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Know, like I put myself out there and I really
believe in good faith, and I feel like that is
something I've really held onto. And when you go through
things that feel like a setback or it just there's
something about it that's just not making sense to you,
you know, there is a possibility for it to change
(20:32):
who you are and how you see the world. And
for me, I feel like I'm still me and like
I still very much wear my heart on my sleeve.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And yeah, I have to.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Be a little more cognizant and hire lawyers and protect
myself and learn from my mistakes, but I still feel
like I'm still that sincerity is still there. And the
free fall and the trust fall that I think you
have to have, especially in the bridle industry, is there.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
You know, like I don't feel jaded, which is a
great feeling.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Which is great.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, yeah, completely different direction here when you're making a
wedding dress. So, like Brett michaels Uh asked him, He's
told me, Hey, every song starts with.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Either a word or an idea.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And when I'm doing Foxing Noville Sunday, everything I do
gets hooked with.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
One line. Like men, this whole.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Scoop that I'm going to report here for the next
minute a half is all based on a line that
I know is going to hook people in. When you're
about to design a wedding dress, take me through that
creative process of how it starts to the end.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Actually it's similar for me.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I really pull a lot of inspiration directly from women
I need, and there's like a bit of a connection
or a relatability or just even a communication through the
design process that I think is really important because ultimately
it is storytelling and that is what these great musicians do,
is that they tell a story, and so it brings
(22:09):
that personification and it ties a loop back to the
original inspiration and the method.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
And the material in which you do that.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Whether it's in songwriting or it's in dress design, you
know that that communication.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Is still there.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
And so while every dress kind of goes through its
own little evolution, you know that initial spark, it typically
comes from, Okay, I'm having a conversation with this girl,
and she and I are relating to our teenage angst
ears where we listen to Alanis Morset.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And you know, Black Hole Sun.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And like, you know, like you have like this camaraderie
and that is what ignites this. Oh my gosh, could
you imagine a dress that has like these edgy stripes
on it, but then it's got this flow and oh,
Alanath Morsett talks about one hand in her pocket, what
of the dress head pockets? You know, and then like
you just kind of start like embellishing and creating a
(23:09):
story through the dress. But it started from this place
of just authenticity, relatability.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
We're jiving here, you.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Know, and like I can imagine that's what musicians do
when they come up with music together and they're in
there like you know, think Tank, and you start riffing
with it and so I feel like I kind of
do that with dress wear, and music actually plays a
big role for me just because I it sets a
vibe and a tone typically and like a lot of
times I'm listening to either Fleetwood, Mac, Talking Heads, Led Zeppelin,
(23:40):
or Pink Floyd and they're all like totally different moods,
but it like it sets an environment for me and
a rhythm that is really important, especially in like sketching.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
So that's kind of my process.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
But at the end, when you're getting close to, you know,
address being executed, it's into because it goes through a
phase of like construction where you're let's make the dress
make sense right. It's got to fit what right, It's
got to have the right boning in it. We have
to make it come alive and stand on its own
so that it fits the girl right. Because I don't
(24:15):
believe that a girl needs to fit into the dress.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
I think the dress needs to fit.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
The girl, same with shoes, like it needs to work
for you. You shouldn't have to force yourself to fit
the dress. But when you're at that stage, I think
that's when there's a analchemy between the dress and the girl.
And for me, the dress is no longer mine. It
becomes hers, right, and it's almost like this passing of
(24:39):
the torch, and it's almost like this I don't know,
like follow through and it takes on its own personality.
Then it becomes her story and so it's kind of
like a sisterhood of the traveling Dresses. But like, I
don't know how to make sense of that, but for me,
it completes the cycle of it and the storytelling, and
then it becomes her story to tell take start to finish.
(25:01):
To do a wedding dress, it definitely depends on the dress,
but you know, it can take anywhere from six days
to six months or six years in my case, holding
over all of these dresses, and like, you.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Know, I changed my mind a lot. I think a
lot of designers do.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Like it's just part of like, Okay, I'm over it again,
move on, or oh I still love these elements and stuff.
And there's been dress ideas that I've been sitting on
for a few years right now that I like cannot
wait to bring to life, and it's just so exciting
that it's like opening Pandora's box.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know, Halle.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
For those who don't know Halle is a rock star
and I'll never forget like you. And I became friends
with many many many years ago, and shortly after that,
I was hanging with Sean Payton, now the head coach
of Denver Broncos him and they were fiance at the time,
now his wife, and I was like, yeah, I got
good friend Heley Page. And they both said miss Haley Page.
I said, Sean, how fuck do you know miss Haley Page?
Because what did't just designer? Oh manner stuff was great?
(26:00):
I was like, wow, what, like, how was Oh my god?
But every time I've mentioned you to people, people I
would never expect to know who you are know who
you are, and you know, my friends are Nanderthals, so
I never expect them to know you, but they do,
which is which is absolutely wild. Who who is your
biggest kind of moment of that of someone who knew
(26:20):
your work?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You're like, oh my god, Like this is wow? What
was your what was that moment for you? Have you
had one?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
It's interesting because I've definitely had the opportunity to address
so many like fabulous women in the industry film entertainment,
like Harry Underwood, Dove Cameron, like just Kelsey Vallerini, like
you know, and and all of these opportunities are just
incredibly exciting for me, But I actually almost feel more
(26:53):
like thrilled when it's somebody that I've never met before
and were like in an airport or like in a
restaurant and a girl comes up and she's like you
made my dress, or like you made my sister's dress.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Can we facetimer? And it's so of.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
That moment and like random that we would we would
be in this position and like.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
There's that connection there, you know, and that there's no
separation and.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
All of a sudden, you feel this love and this
energy come out of nowhere, And that to me is
just as exciting as like, you know, getting to dress
some of these incredible personalities, because it's all really the
same thing.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Like if there is a girl that is.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Appreciating your designs, it doesn't even matter who she is,
where she's from, what walk of life. The fact that
we're relating on this is like super special. So I'm
like trying to think, like, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
When I named a dress after you.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
And became a topic on I think it was either
Twitter or Instagram, and the Rock was really jealous.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yes, well that that's why you did it, just to
piss off the Rock and straight hand for me on
my behalf.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Yes, yeah, it was like a battle between straight.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And get under there. I am loving it and.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
If I can get you to help me, absolutely, But
she made a glazer ground glazier gown with a power
nit fabric.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I might add I have my own fabric. Yes, we got.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
We got to bring that.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Thing back around.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I absolutely remember it. But also, you've been so instrumental folks.
You know Rosie and I again, we get married, uh
in May, and when we were first doing this, this
is Rosy's first marriage. Because Rosie's just taking care of
the rest of the world. She's taking care everybody else.
And the next thing, you know, she looks up and
she's like, man, my life has just gone past. And
she just figured, okay, I'm just never going to do it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And I just posted something about this recently.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
She always felt that there are these outside forces against
her and I did too, and we realized, like those
outside forces wrecks us. There's no secret monster, then nothing
in the universes against us. But a lot of people
kind of think that and get caught up and that's
our racket.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
So when it was when I proposed to her.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And folks, I'm so last minute, I'm like, and I
you know, I'm used to live TV. You show up,
you do it, You're gone, bat right, just not and
a Fox and fl said, we don't have any We
have like a short half production meeting. We don't really
rehearse bat That's how kind of our life is immediate.
And uh, I probably didn't, you know. We looked at
it and I'm like, yeah, we'll just get this done,
(29:31):
this stuff done. And about three months before the wedding,
I'm like, all right, we got to sit down and
plan this.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
But I got no idea. Wait a minute. I got someone,
Miss Haley Page, she could come to our rescue.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And our fairy godmother came to our rescue and got
us a wedding planner, and our travel gangster Christine Andrews,
who's incredible and this and that and like cooked everything up.
And Rosie and I were sitting there her wedding going.
We had several toast to you because we're like, if
I didn't meet Halle, what we have done, we would
not have known how to get married.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
We really would have. And you think about that, there's
so much stuff to do. We did not know how
to get married.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Well, you guys did a really good job at it.
And the fact that you had a double rainbow on
your bid.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
God give us a gift.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yes, that's at all.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Well, we didn't know how to get married. He's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I was so happy to be a part of it because, honestly, Jay,
like from the moment we met at a swim up
pool bar in Cabo, I was already looking forward to
your wedding someday, and like.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
A special person would be.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And the fact that it is rosy like absolute heart
of golds and just the most magnetic girl like comes
into your life and you guys get to complete your
love story and I got to be a part of it.
Even considering all of the stuff I was going through,
it just was so.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Meaningful for me and I'm humbled by it and it's
an honor.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So hey, you know too, we didn't in this world.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You're great because we don't want to put more on
your plate. And you told us no, no, no, This
allows me to this distracts me from this, this helps
and it was just you hand us with such grace
and beauty, and I appreciate it well.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I love you both so much.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Life to the last thing I want to after last
thing I want to say to you, Okay, and because
I'm not going to do the unbreakable moment because we've
already done that in the last one and we know
now you've got another one.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Of you know, coming through this.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
But I really want you to understand, I know you
went through this is three and a half tough years.
Not only did she lose her name folks and her
business and have to spend a ton of money battling
back for it, but her man Conrad here, she said,
just went through a really bad health scare and it
was it was really scary. And I don't know how
much you want me to divulge about that or not,
but it was it was really, really scary. And I
(31:49):
just want you to realize, like, don't try and figure
life out, Like I don't know why good things happen
to bad people or bad things happen to good people,
But don't try and figure life out because it just
drive you crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
And the way you have.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Handle all of it with a smile on your face
is something that I don't think you could minimize the
inspiration that you lead us all to. So you're so
inspiring to always do all this with a smile on
your face, it would be really easy for you to
go why me, why me?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Why me? And I never I never heard that from you,
and it was really inspiring.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I just want you to know that that is so
sweet that you say, Jay.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I honestly like I think it's from people like you
around me.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I do.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I genuinely think when you.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Have so much support and love constantly, it just brings
you to a place of Okay, I've got to show up,
you know, because I have this incredible reason to do
it every single day and get through the hard times
because of these incredible people around me. So I'm just
(33:00):
happy to have had our friendship for as long as
we have.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
And you know, we get to have another wedding soon.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Absolutely, let's do it. Let's do it. You can use
my house in Malibuts at least I could do it
for you.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
That would be so epic.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Oh this hell.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And you know what, I want to get back now,
because we got sidetracked. We were making We're gonna make
wedding dresses for combat bets and let's get back to
doing that if we can. Now that you're able to
do that again, let's let's do some good. Let's use
your superpower to do some good together.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I'm in it, you designed it, I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
We're in right Wait, Miss Haley Page, I love you
so much. Thank you for joining us here in the
Unbreakable Podcast. So proud I could say. Our guest this
week is Miss Helly Page
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