06/22/2021 - Best of The Doug Gottlieb Show

Doug Gottlieb shares his hypothesis on who Tom Brady was talking about in his controversial comments on HBO’s ‘The Shop’. PGA Golfer Matthew Wolff stops by to open up about his recent absence from his sport and why taking time to focus on himself changed his life in more ways than one. Doug says that fans and media are too result-oriented when analyzing a player’s legacy. Instead, look at the process that a player went through and you’ll find a more accurate depiction of his success. The Athletic’s Mike Sando joins the show to share the latest on Aaron Rodgers’ future with the Packers and the reason that Carl Nassib coming out is a big deal. Plus, FS1 NBA Analyst Ric Bucher about the Sixers’ plan moving forward and why the Clippers are being so quiet about Kawhi’s injury. 

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Los Angeles, California. M m hmmmm. I hope you're having
a great day, man. So today's had a weird day. Right?
We had no playoff basketball yesterday. We do tonight. Right,
We got to college baseball in a way. We have

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what is that called euro Cup? Is that what it is?
Euro Cup? Euro Cup taking place. We got Major League
Baseball taking place. And then of course we have the
NBA Playoffs game to Western Conference Finals tonight, which is
weird because the Eastern Conference Finals have not yet even begun.
That said, here we go, away we go, and we

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have ourselves a mystery. What was your favorite cartoon? As
a kid, favorite cartoon. I'll give you a couple of mine.
I liked The road Runner, but I really like The
road Runner with Wildly Coyote super Genius. You guys, remember that,

(01:46):
it's not just when he was Wildly County is Wildly
County super genius. And remember that version of Wildy of
of the road Runner. It's amazing. Um. And when I
say I liked cartoons as a kid, I'm under selling it.
I really am. Because my generation, right, my generation, yes,

(02:07):
we had video games, but I didn't really have the
Intellivision coll Eco Vision like my first real video game system.
I think we might have had one of the I
think we had a Tari before that with with Pong
and with what was the tank game? I can't remember,
maybe it was called Tank anyway, It didn't dominate my
life until it became of the Nintendo's supersystem. Right, that's

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when you had the legend of Zelda and Super Mario
Brothers and Double Dribble and Blades of Steel. So, because
I had a good window of twelve years or so
of childhood before those things hit my brain, the video
games hit my brain, I would I'd come home or
go to a friend's house and literally every day after

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school I would watch Heathcliff, I would watch uh Gummy Bears?
Was was Gummy Bears? That think was Saturday Morning. I
wasn't a Smurf sky. I do think, I do believe.
I do wonder if it's because I love Scooby Doo, right,

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because Scooby Doo was a mystery and if it wasn't
for those meddling kids, people would have gotten away from it,
gotten away with it. Right. Well, we're gonna be those
meddling kids today. We have a mystery, we have a conundrum,
we have a question. I know what it is. Who

(03:38):
was Tom Brady talking about when he talked trash about
a team that he felt like backed away from the
table when he was looking in free agency at a
new team. This is what he says to what tom
Brady said on the shop one of the teams, and
they weren't interested. At the very end, I was thinking,

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you're sticking with that mother. Oh you're sticking with that mother.
By the way, like post Super Bowl, tom Brady has
far and away been the most enjoyable tom Brady of
our lives. Previously Tom Brady, remember he just too damn

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good looking, too rich, too rigid, too stiff, to New
England for the rest of the world to truly buy into.
But then he gets tanked at the victory parade. Then
he goes on the shop and starts talking trash. Then
he changes kind of his tune um of trash talk
getting ready for this big golf showdown, and you're like,
you know what, I kind of dig this guy. Who

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is he talking about? Okay, the teams that we know
Tom Brady was at least interested in, or we were told,
was Miami, Tampa, Chicago, the Chargers, and then Niners, Right,
And to be honest with you, it's, by my estimation,

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a pretty easy mystery to solve, right, It's really pretty
easy mystery to solve. We can eliminate Tampa because he
went there. We can eliminate Miami, Hey, eliminate Miami because
Miami did not pull away. He decided against Miami. And

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I believe we can pull away from the Chargers because
though they had to road Taylor, they had after Tom
Brady changed his tune and decided to not go, they
went and drafted Justin Herbert, which was kind of part
of their plan. But we didn't know until Tom Brady
made his decision. It leaves us really with San Francisco

(05:51):
and the Bears. And while the Bears of Mitchell Trobinsky
feel like I feel like they're the obvious answer, I
think it's to be Jimmy Garoppolo. My logic behind it
is the Bears would have moved mountains to get Tom Brady.
Would you fit their offense? Probably not. Did they have

(06:13):
the best personnel, No, they did not. Could they have
protected him as he's a bit of a statue back,
They're sure there wasn't really a meeting of the minds
with Matt Naggey and his offensive style, though he he
has been well respected despite the fact that they haven't
seen been seen as a study success in Chicago. Remember
that the thing we've learned about all of these quarterbacks,

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right from Aaron Rodgers to Russell Wilson to Tom Brady,
all of these guys, is they may appear to be
nice guys and genuine guys and thoughtful guys, great leaders
and right guys. But at the end of the day,
you can't be this successful in sports unless you're an
absolute killer as a competitor and a killer as a

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competitor believes beyond any reasonable doubt that they are in
fact the best at what they do. Otherwise you can't
be the best at what you do. And that competitive instinct,
to me, says Tom Brady, it wasn't just he wanted
to go to his hometown Niners, the team he dreamed
of playing playing with, but he also wanted to see

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Jimmy Garoppolo be sent packing. Why because Jimmy Garoppolo was
the guy that he sent packing. Originally, he wanted to
be that guy that's constantly sending Jimmy Garoppolo to another team.
That's why he was so snyde. And oh yeah, by
the way, he's seen Jimmy Garoppolo of close. He knows

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exactly what Garoppolo has and he doesn't respect it. This
this is more educated guests than anything. Chicago is a
reasonable guess. But the difference is I don't believe Chicago
ever pulled out and never wasn't was not interested. And

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even though Mitchell Drabinsky is not nearly as good nor
as well respected as Garoppolo, I think it was Garoppolo
and the Niners, because even the Niners, by their own admission,
said they kicked the tires, They thought about it, and
they decided to stick with Jimmy G. The Niners have
told you the answer. We know that he doesn't dig Garoppolo.

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It's reasonable to believe that he would want to inflict
pain on Garoppolo and send him backing yet again. And
we know that the Niners pulled out of the Tom
Brady Derby by their own accord. Tom Brady might have
gotten away with it if it wasn't for this Medling kid.
That's the way I look at it, Ramos, you agree,

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you disagree, discuss, No, I I agree with you. Yeah,
I do think that there's this little bit of an
itch behind Tom Brady for the whole Jimmy G thing
they went down to New England. And of course, yeah
that all of your points come to that one conclusion
for me as well. Yes, Gavin, do you think it's
Chicago instead? I lean a little more towards Chicago because

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the Niners were just in the Super Bowl, and I
think it's a little hard to take a shot like that,
even though we all know that it was the team,
mostly in Kyle Shanahan that got them. They're not just
Jimmy G. And then the other thing there is the
Donny thing where they share the same agent. Would he
take a shot like that? Hm? But he's he's Tom Brady,

(09:37):
so he's he's unpredictable, So I uh, he definitely seems
like he is in his Uh, he's just you know,
no one can say anything bad about him. He's out
in New England. He doesn't have the restraints on him anymore.
He can say whatever he wants, so nothing would surprise me.
What about you, Dan Buyer, what what do you say?

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Which team do you think it is? I I I
thought Bears. I still thought Raiders maybe, um, but uh,
Niners is an option. I still don't know. I'm still confused.
And I even went back to try to look, Okay,
what was the timeline with Chicago for when they when
you know, when Brady signed with Tampa when the Bears

(10:18):
acquired Nick Foles as part of that deal, Because if
Brady was saying that was was the fulls deal done beforehand,
which would eliminate the Bears. So I'm still kind of
up in the air. But I think that the Raiders
still could have been a possibility as well. But be
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on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio a app.
Matthew Wolf joins us on The Doug Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Matthe how are you? I'm great? Yeah,
thank you for having me. What what was that back
nine like on Sunday? Because to those of us sitting
at home with a cold one enjoy Father's Day, it

(11:01):
looked rough. What was Tori South like on Sunday on
that back nine? Yeah, I mean I think you know,
the US opens the hardest test in golf, and obviously
coming down the stretch they're trying to make it as
hard as possible. So, um, yeah, just really hard conditions.
You know that everything firmed out, so you know it
was so hard, so much harder to hit the fairways,

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and then once you did, I mean it was still
hard to get it close to all those pins because
you know, you're just coming in with such long clubs
and you know, to kind of witness what John did
two was was pretty amazing. You know, I think he
played a really solid round all day, but those two
pots on those last two holes is left to right
swingers I mean you have to have amazing touch in

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order to just make those with no pressure, and with
all the pressure that he had, I mean, it was
it was pretty cool, pretty cool to see him step
up at that big of a time. Yeah, no, it's
it's uh, it's really amazing, especially considering you know, what
he went through when he had when he Popp did
for COVID. What's your approach been like during these times

(12:04):
in which you knew you're gonna be tested and there's
there's so much question as to how you get through
these protocols. What has your approach been like? Yeah, I
mean there's there's nothing much I can do that the
PGA tour, I set up amazing guidelines and um U
s GA was the same way. They set up great
guidelines for all of us to you know, feel like
we could have a good time and be free and
not worry about COVID as well as following all the

(12:26):
rules that they have in place of you know, just
you know isolating ourselves or you know, staying away from
everyone else. And um it was it was you know,
it's been a while since it's really felt normal, but
you know, like I said, they've been doing an unbelievable
job of letting us play and giving us that freedom,
and you know, as well as all the fans out there.
You know, I felt like this was the first week

(12:47):
back that I was you know, those roars were a
lot louder than I remember them last time. There were
fans out here. Still got lap show here on Fox
Sports Radio that is uh, that's the voice of Matthew
Wolf of course PG a golfer, and uh, the Travelers
Championship is one of the events that I've been to
write up in up in Connecticut and uh, you know,

(13:10):
the stadium hole it's look, I'm not gonna say it's Phoenix,
but there Connecticut folks and Nutmekes that they kind of
want to be Phoenix of the Northeast. Is it? Is
it fair to at least mentioned it in the Phoenix
variety in terms of the relative rowdiness of the past.
Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean you see the past champions

(13:31):
of the of the Travelers. You know, it's a great
list of people, and you know, I feel like there's
been some very exciting finishes and um that has to
do with you know, the players hitting really good shots,
but as well as just the course that you know,
it sets up so amazing for it. The part five,
I think it's the thirteenth hole is a great part
five that you can make a birdier eagle on and

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you know, maybe jump a couple of spots up closer
to the lead. And and then obviously fifteen through seventeen
is just leavable stretch where you can you know, go
to under and gain a bunch of shots or you know,
make a mistake and hidden in the water. So I
just think that course sets up for such an exciting finish.
And on top of that, you know, the fans are

(14:12):
the fans here are you know, they really love us,
you know, coming here and playing the tournament, and they're
so supportive and they just you know, they have such
a good time, which makes us have such a good time.
So it's a it's a great atmosphere, no no question.
Hunter Mayhan's a buddy of mine. Obviously he's also know
su guy, and uh, I mean he's kind of he's
kind of deity status up there, like he he does.

(14:33):
Does does he blow you off when you get to
Connecticut because he thinks he's so big time once he
once he gets up there. Uh No, actually It's funny
you say that I saw I saw Hunter this morning
and um, I was going up to my room and
the elevator and he just got out. He was heading
to the course and um, you know, his his hair
was still had all the flow in the world, and

(14:54):
you know, he looked good. But yeah, he said high
and we just kind of passed and said, you know,
I hope you have a good week, and but yeah,
I know I haven't. He's definitely not one that I've
talked to a lot out here, but um, he's definitely
said high and you know, reached out and said if
he if I ever need anything, uh, he's here. So
it's nice to have OSU connection as well. Obviously, Look,

(15:14):
you played the juniors, you played in plenty of big tournaments.
This this is the place where you made your debut
as a as a pro. What and that was just
two years ago. What's that experience like of the first
time you're technically a professional, right, he played in big events,
played in in in in PGA events, but now a
Wison you're pro. What does that actual experience like of

(15:35):
teeing it up officially as as one? Oh yeah, it was, Um,
it was you know a great experience. I think I
was probably the most nervous I've been, UM up to date,
you know, when I was when I was making my
pro debut here, because you know, coming out of college,
I played really well, and you know, everything was, you
know how a lot of high expectations and coming out

(15:58):
here and got his sponsors, example, and so I was,
you know, maybe putting a little little bit of pressure
on myself to play well, and uh, you know it was.
It was definitely probably one of the highest pressure situations,
even just teeing off on the first tea. UM, But
it was also one of the most fulfilling and just
like you know, memorable. Um. You know, this is what

(16:19):
I had dreamed of since I was a little kid,
and you know, I'd worked worked really hard and made
my way up through every single rank and you know,
to finally step up on that first tea is you
know seeing it off in my first pro tournament was
it was definitely fulfilling. Yeah. UM. And then like a
month later, you won your first tournament, what what you know,
and you shoot a sixty five and you probably have

(16:41):
thinking like this is cake, dude, Like I've been it
was a month already already win one the night before.
How do you how did you process like sleeping, resting,
you know, because I've I've talked to a couple of guys.
You're like, it's just so different when it's Sunday and
you're leading, or Sunday and you're closed. It's a PG
like you know, and again, like you said, you've been
doing your whole life, but at what what allowed you

(17:03):
to play so well and to sixty five um in
Minnesota and win that three M which is your your
first ever win going back two years ago. Yeah, yeah,
my first and my only uh today, um yeah, that
that went in three M was it was unbelievable. I think, uh,
you know, just that Saturday night before, I you know,
I definitely made sure to be talking to you know,

(17:24):
my friends and my family and just kind of not
take my mind off of golf. But just you know,
like he's the nerves and anxiety a little bit, because
you know, when you're in that position, especially that soon
out of college, it's, uh, you know, you're anxious. You're like,
I just want to get out there. I want to
you know, go win or or do the best I
can and just see what happens. Because you don't want
to wait. And uh, you know, I made sure to

(17:47):
stay in the president and just take my time, and um,
I talked to my assistant coach. It's a conversation I'll
never forget, Coach Dar. And you know, even though it
might be a little cliche, it was pretty simple. It
was you know, he was telling me I one six
times in college in one year, and he goes, even
though it's a different level, he goes, you've proven already
just by being in the lead, that you can play

(18:08):
out here with these guys and you know how to
win because you've done it so much in college. So
go out there and winning. You know, on the PGA
Tour level in college it might be a little different,
but winning is winning, and you know how to close
the deal. And that was the mindset that I had
pretty much the entire day and it worked out pretty well. Okay,
Now then we go to Wingfoot, going back into the

(18:28):
fall and obviously you know you're leading by two, Um,
how do you how do you process that now? Or
how do you process that? Going back to Sunday at
Tory where you know, on one hand, you finished second
at the US Open. On the other hand, you didn't
play nearly as well as you wanted to, and that
that third hole really kind of started to started a

(18:50):
little bit of a spiral like how do you how
does that affect you going forward? Yeah, I mean I
don't I don't know if it I don't know if
any of that is negative. Really. I mean obviously, I
know I came in second and didn't win or um.
But you know, the way I look at it is,
I'm so young and heave only you know, I've only
played in a few majors and I've already performed in

(19:13):
all those and putting myself in that situation to come
down the stretch and play well. And you know, even
though yeah, I might have not closed it out at Um,
you know wingfoot or had a great round at the
US Open at Tory. You know, at the PGA Championship,
I was four or five behind. That's six five the
last round to top five. So I mean there's sometimes

(19:34):
you know, it's your day and you're playing well, and
sometimes it's not and things just don't go your way,
and um, you know, it's just important to keep on
putting yourself in those situations because the more you do that,
the more You're gonna learn from it and be comfortable.
And um, if I just keep on giving myself opportunities,
I know, I know one of these times, and it
might not be soon, or it might be you know,
this year. I really don't know when it's going to happen,

(19:56):
but I'm positive if I keep on putting myself in
those situations, is going to happen. All Right, you took
two months off? Uh why and what did you do
during those two months? Yeah? I mean the two months
were definitely I think it was just a little bit
of a reset for me. Um. I felt like I
was playing, um, pretty bad golf and it was really

(20:19):
hard on myself, getting really down on myself and just
wasn't enjoying the game, and um, I was going into
pretty dark places and um, you know it's not even
you know, before I even showed up for the week,
just being like why am I here? You know, just
really bad, you know, just a bad place, and um,
you know, the first couple I'd say, I'd probably say month,

(20:42):
month and a half. I really didn't even golf. I
just was talking to the people closest to me inside
my circle and you know, trying to just enjoy, you know,
and be happy again. Just enjoy life. And um, you know,
there's much more to golf than just there's much more
to life than just golf. And um, I think that
I was starting to play so much and not see

(21:03):
the results that I wanted, that I started to connect
my happiness with my results. And uh, you know, it's
great when it's going good, but you know, when it's
going bad, it can get you in some pretty some
pretty dark places. And UM, I just made sure to
to care for myself and make sure I was happy
and you know, really put myself first, um, for the

(21:24):
first time in a little bit and uh a little
bit of time. I mean like, look, how do you
how do you do that? Like at your age? And
I think what happens is all of us now. You know,
when you get into your thirties or forties, fifties, you're
sitting there going like, man, I wish I wish I
had had that this wisdom I have now back then
you're your twenties year year, early twenties, How did you

(21:46):
note that, like, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta get
a break from this. How did you was did somebody
recommend it to you? Was it something. Was there a
sign like, what is it that tells you like, I
gotta walk away from a cup for a bit? I
mean I think it was everything, like a little bit combined.
I mean there's definitely people that you know, I have
recommended it and been like, hey, if you're not enjoying
the game, like, don't you know, don't play like you

(22:08):
don't have to play. Luck you know, luckily, I got
the luxury of you know, not luckily, but you know
I want And now I have the luxury of having
time to stay on tour and figure my you know,
my ups and downs out and get more acclimated out here,
and um, you know, I'm fortunate to have that time.
And but you know, if you would have heard me,
you know, people were telling me that, and I would
have been like, I can't, I can't, I can't get it.

(22:29):
I can't just stop playing, like you can't just do that, like,
and that's what that was where my head was at.
You know, I just it's in the middle of the season.
I'm not supposed to stop. I mean, everyone's playing here.
No one's gonna take time off. That's for the off season.
I'll figure stuff out in the off season, but I
really got to a point where I was, you know,
I was just struggling like even you know, finding any
confidence or even like wanting to go out there and

(22:51):
play and like compete, like my my edge and my
you know, my my enjoyment, my happiness with involved like
around the game golf just totally went away. And I
was like, you know, even though I'm loving you know,
the life that I live, and you know, I make
a lot of money or you know, I have all
these opportunities to travel and stuff like that, I know
my happiness is more important than all that, because I

(23:13):
mean to be honest, you know, I think that's really
all that matters is you're happy and you're enjoying yourself,
and um, you know, it's it was a hard decision
for sure, but I had the people around me support
me through it, and um, you know, it's definitely definitely
worthwhile little break, and UM feel like I'm in a
much better spot now. Okay. So, um, you know you

(23:36):
finish tie for fifteenth at the US Open. In the
most honest answer you can give me, did you did
you feel the joy of playing golf? Did you enjoy it?
Or was it was it did Did you did any
of those feelings creep back in as tough as that
course was the last couple of days. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
I'm not gonna lie. I was definitely frustrated out there. Um,

(23:59):
you know, not like but but there's a there's a
difference right between being frustrated and you know, depressed right there, Like,
there's a there's a difference there, right, there's absolutely absolutely, yeah,
And that's you know, that's what That's what I was
trying to get to. Yeah, Like, there are times that
I was frustrated, but the feeling of frustration wasn't the
feeling that I was having back in you know, the

(24:20):
last four or five months when I was playing golf.
You know that that feeling of like you said, depressed, sad,
just like not even wanting to be there, that was
a feeling that I was having, And um, I can
I can absolutely say that there was no feeling that
like that at all during the US Open, And you know,
I felt like to be honest, not only was there

(24:43):
not a feeling like that, but I did play well,
and most people you know might think, oh, well, obviously
you're going to enjoy it if you're playing well. But
even when I was having bad stretches of golf, even
when I made a double, you know, that's the time
where I'd usually get very mad and frustrated and and
kind of just like, you know, just a little down
on myself, where as this week or the last week

(25:06):
at the US Open, I was very you know, just
like happy to be there and excited to compete, and
no matter how the week went. And you know, it's
probably not a coincidence that as soon as I started
being happy and enjoying it, I started playing well. But um,
at the at the same time, I really, you know,
I had no I did not care about my score
at all last week and I and I still it's

(25:26):
great that I finished Hype with fifteen, but when you know,
I didn't even look at what I finished. Honestly, the
only reason I knew what I was at was because
people were telling me, Like, I didn't even care what
I finished. I was just so happy that I enjoyed
myself and I like had fun out there, because that's
literally the entire goal for last week, this week, next week,

(25:47):
I mean, for the rest of my career, Like I'm
just trying to have you know, fun and enjoy it
and be happy and you know, be thankful for the
life that I lived. Can I tell you the biggest
mistake you made though this weekend that you didn't call me.
I'll tell you why. Uh, Dan Buyer and I we
played the Farmer's Insurance Open the South Course. We won
the pro am there. Um, what was that? Was that

(26:08):
two years ago with ct PAN? Yeah, we let ct
PAN to victory and then he won a few months later.
So there was a game, a couple of tips, yea,
you know, telling him what what he was doing with
his hips. His hips were all screwed up and we
could have straightened out. We could have really helped you
some course knowledge. You know, we played I think three
years in a row. We wanted on the south course
to other people playing in the north and you know,

(26:30):
we're Oakloom State guys, were Southern California guys. Not one call,
not one text. I just listen. I mean, all this
other stuff is great, but you gave away an advantage
that you had and you it's you know, it's like
a lay up that it was like Ben Simmons this
past weekend, he turned out an absolute layup. That's what
you did. Well, you know what it's all about learning,

(26:50):
isn't it. I'm still learning, so you know what I'm
I'm glad that I that I actually I can put
my head down at night on the pillow and say
that I learned something today. Okay, good call you next time. Okay. Listen,
I played the ProAm at River Highlands. I've never wanted.
I do have some course knowledge. I'll share it with
the off air and that way when you win Sunday
and go like, listen, I there's lots of people want

(27:11):
to thank but Doug gott Leap straightened me out. He
told me about the seventh hole, a little little trick
to the seventh hole, and and it was It's what
turned me around. And listen, we're so happy that you're
feeling better about playing golf. I love watching you. And uh,
it's it's always brave to say these things and to
go through what you've gone through in a very very

(27:31):
public form. It's awesome. And uh, hope ball as well.
And and and kick Hunters asked, would you because I mean,
he just the level of arrogance winning that tournament one time,
we just can't take it. I'll do my best to
humble him, don't worry. But uh, but yeah, I appreciate
you having me on the show and those kind words
and uh yeah, just thank you again for having me.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

(27:53):
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.
You know, it's it's always interesting to me on how
Matthew Wolf kind of nailed something there. Um, and it
actually relates to a lot of different things that we cover.
I was Dan BYO. I know you're for people don't

(28:14):
know Dan obviously kind of our golf guru. He went
down to Tori on Friday. Um, and you can hear
a show on weekends you're on Fox Sports Radio. Did
were you able to listen to Matthew Wolf who joined
us earlier? Yeah, and I knew it was a bit
of a topic. It was. He was talked about a
tory and even some players were weighing in on it.
But but yeah, so I was able to hear his comments.

(28:36):
Your takeaway, UM, I mean absolutely refreshing and to have
someone so willingly uh talk about the struggles that they
had in the uh lack of passion that they had
for that game. For a guy who's what twenty two
years old? Um was was amazing and you can you

(28:56):
can tell just in the interview on how well liked
he is and what a good young man he is.
But to have that sort of wherewithal and presence and
to understand what he needed to do for himself is
I don't think in a lot of people that age well,
there there are there's a similarity there to him and um,

(29:18):
you know tennis player Namba Osaka right. Names Now Naomi's
had more success obviously, um, but similar age, right, and
she you know, she need to need to take time away.
My issue with Naomi Osaka was not all that. It
was that like she was like kind of at first,
she's kind of blaming the media, like, look, you have

(29:39):
something going on, take all the time you need, Like
we get it. So maybe it's something about their generation
where they kind of they get it right. Like I'll
give you an example. My son left for summer camp today,
not basketball camp, like summer camp one that he's gone
to for. I think it's the fifth summer that he's
gone to and I mean he's been hooping hardcore. I

(30:02):
mean even when things were shut down, we were we
were playing in warehouses and wherever, you know, Like he
was just he's been all about it, and he was
just like, look, I just want to break not necessarily
from basketball, like just everything going on, Like I just
I just want to be with a bunch of boys
in a cabin and not have somewhere I gotta be at.

(30:24):
It was like, I did I get it, and I
I didn't have that when I was twelve. I didn't
and I'm godn't do that, you know. I just whatever
somebody said to be. That's where I was. It's actually,
I think one of the hard things about being an
athlete is you're so used to somebody telling you what
to do, where to do it, and how to do
it right. Then you like, you get done playing, you're like, okay,

(30:49):
now what do I do? You go to the gym
and you're like, I have no motivation to workout. I
don't want to. I had to be forced to do
it for so long, even if I love my sports
all the other stuff. But there was something that he said,
or a bunch of things that he said are interesting. Well,
we'll play back for you. What what part do you have?
I just I don't even know what you get well,

(31:09):
here's the first answer. We were talking about him him
stepping back, stepping away from golf for two weeks two months.
I think it was just a little bit of a
reset for me. I felt like I was playing, um,
pretty bad golf and it was really hard on myself,
getting really down on myself and just wasn't enjoying the game.
And um, I was going in some pretty dark places.
And it's not even you know, before I even showed

(31:30):
up for the week, just being like why am I here?
You know, just really bad, you know, just a bad place.
And you know, the first couple i'd probably say a month,
month and a half, I really didn't even golf. I
just was talking to the people closest to me, inside
my circle, and you know, trying to enjoy, you know,
and be happy again, just enjoy life, and um, you know,

(31:51):
there's much more to life than just golf. And um,
I think that I was starting to play so much
and not see the results that I wanted, that I
started to connect my happiness with my results, and uh,
you know, it's great when it's going good, but you know,
when it's going bad, it can get you in some
pretty some pretty dark places and so so that last
part is really interesting. The whole thing is interesting. Okay,

(32:13):
I'm not trying to understand. The whole thing is is
like you, what am I doing here? I'm not gonna win?
Why am I here? Right? Um? Hm, So there's there's
a little bit of I mean, I think that the
common term used to be burnout, right. But the part
of the end that was interesting to mean it relates
to like legacies that we established for NBA players based

(32:35):
upon playoffs success is we're so result oriented, right, Who
was the best player in the Nets Bucks series? Kevin
Durant And it wasn't particularly close. No, he did not
make the last shot he took a matter of fact,
it was an air ball, and they lost. They couldn't

(32:57):
make a shot he turned it over at times and
overtime like all of those things. If I were results oriented,
you're like, the result was they lost. The process orientes like,
look what they were able to do despite the fact
that didn't have Kyrie, didn't have hard to have, the series,
didn't have Spencer, didn't weed at all, like all these
things they didn't have. I had actually had a great

(33:21):
discussion with one of my parents and one of my kids.
I coach and AU Basketball's twelve and that team lost
a game in a tournament where they were down one
and he made one of two free throws worst overtime.
They lost in overtime. And I said, you know, did
you talk about the miss or did you talked about
the make? And they're like, well, we talked about both.

(33:42):
I was like, well, that's fine. I was like, but
it's important to point out that he missed the first,
he made the second. That second was way harder to
make if you missed the first. So even though it's
you may think, hey, your son could have won us
the game and we lost because he missed a free
though the fact was it wouldn't have gone over time

(34:04):
had he not made the second free throw. But I
look at this the NBA stuff and I'm like, okay,
so is is Chris Paul a better player now then
he was before they beat the Lakers? Look, they weren't

(34:25):
beating the Lakers if Anthony Davis was healthy. I don't
believe they're beating the Lakers. And I'm not totally convinced
they're beating the Nuggets if Jamal Murray is healthy. Neither
of those things happened, and they did in fact advance
and now they're up one game to none. I think
Chris Paul is great whether he wins the title, when

(34:47):
he doesn't win the title, but is it an interesting
that somehow now like he'll break through some invisible barrier
if they win a championship, knowing full well they didn't
play healthy Lakers. They're playing the clip is without their
best player. They're not going to get the most talented
team in the East in the nets and we'll see
who they play in the finals. But if he wins,

(35:11):
nobody cares. It's well result oriented, which is exactly what
Matthew Wolfe was talking about. You can't be results oriented
in sports because there's just too much failure in it,
too much failure. And I think there's a certain level
of brilliance and there's a certain understanding of how the

(35:34):
world works if you can focus on process instead of result.
Here's some more Matthew wolf If you would have heard me,
you know, people were telling me that, and I would
have been like, I can I can't, I can't do this.
I can't just stop playing, like you can't just do that,
like and that's what that was, where my head was
at you know, I just it's in the middle of
the season. I'm not supposed to stop. I mean, everyone's
playing here. No one's gonna take time off. That's for

(35:55):
the off season. I'll figure stuff out in the off season.
But I really got to a point where I was
I was just struggling, like even finding any confidence or
even like wanting to go out there and play and
like compete. Like my my edge and my you know,
my enjoyment, my happiness involved like around the game of
golf just totally went away. And I was like, you know,

(36:17):
even though I'm loving, you know, the life that I live,
and you know, I make a lot of money, or
you know, I have all these opportunities to travel and
stuff like that, I know my happiness is more important
than all that. M hm. And look, we we kind
of as people have to figure all that out, right,
Like we have to figure out how we can find
that same balance as people. It's a very very difficult

(36:40):
thing to find. And here's you know, Matthew Wolfe twenty
two years old, who's figured out it's about results not
about process. That means it's about process not about results.
It's a pretty fantastic thing, and I think we should
look at that and how we look at some of
these athletes, right, how we look at some of these athletes.

(37:02):
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Sports Radio. Mike, how are you pretty good? In't really
thought of that. Remember when guys had the camera in
the locker room and got something. I mean, imagine if
that happened in an NFL team meeting anyway. No, it's

(38:09):
it's it's one of those things which is really weird. Like,
is some of this telling? It's very telling. It's very telling.
On the other hand, like, look, part of the nature
of being a coach is you have to you have
to be connected but slightly disconnected. You can't, you know,
he can't be huggy and feely with everybody. You know,

(38:29):
you got a coach. But the idea that you would
record a conversation with your coach in context, you know,
you could easily because everyone on a team has a
beef about something, right. I mean, we don't do it
all the way that every player wants to do it right.
So everyone has a thing that I think should be
done differently. So man, hopefully you put the team verse. Yeah,

(38:50):
it's it's it's going to be going to be very
very interesting. Uh. Mike Sandel works for the Athletic UH
he's the Football GM podcast and UM and what's your
guess on who Tom Brady was talking about when he
was on what was it called the Shop? Ramost We
have that he was on the Shop and he had

(39:13):
this to say about one of the teams he was
considering going to in free agency, one of the teams
and they weren't interested. At the very end, I was thinking,
you're sticking with that, okay, So here are the teams
that are possible, right Tampa. But he went there, so
ain't them Miami. Um let's see here, there's the Bears,

(39:35):
there's the Chargers, there's the Raiders, there's the Niners. And
that's what I got my missing any other teams some
of my So I'm gonna tell you. I'll tell you
up front that to me, the Titans are the most
logical one. But like to me, the Chargers don't fit.

(39:56):
They drafted Herbert. I mean, there's no expectation of the
Colts don't fit because they didn't stick with anybody. They
went and got Rivers. So I'm sure Granny respects even
though he knows he's better than the Rivers. That's a
respectable decision. Um, Yeah, the Raiders could fit. They stuck
with Car. But you know, the Bears, certainly with Drabinski,
I don't know how deep they were at the end.
The forty Niners could be Garoppolo, but breedon Garoppolo share

(40:19):
the same agent. I don't think that he would be
exasperated to find out what the forty Niners are going
to do. Wouldn't he have a good deal for that?
So for for me, the Titans make sense because they
were the team that actively re upt with their guy, right,
I mean they they could have gone in another direction
and decided before if I remember before free agency, didn't

(40:39):
they do a new deal with Tannel? They And so
to me that would be the team that's stuck with him.
We're just if we're just parsing the words that are said, right,
I mean it's it's a really quick snippet um that
would make that would fit the criteria the most to me.
And you could also see him speaking that way frankly
with some one like Mike Rabel, Right, it's kind of

(41:01):
a contemporary, Um, you know, a buddy of his and
organizationally they may have said, hey, you know what, we
had a good thing going on Ryan here. We don't
want him to start over. Um, we're gonna do this.
You couldn't you see Brady Cohn, You're gonna stick with
you know that sort of thing. So I don't know
you buy that. I mean, that's just that's just leaves
for little bit. I take the Niners because because I

(41:25):
you know, look, he clearly had an issue with Jimmy
G trying to take his job, and he saw how
poorly Jimmy G played in the second half of the
Super Bowl. They considered it in the Niners supposed they
are ones that they kicked the tires and like, yeah,
we're good, we're gonna stay put. Oh and and the
Ford Nighters make a ton of sense because we know
that's where he really wanted to always career. So yeah, yeah,

(41:46):
I would buy that if I had to, if I
had to bet it, I would say the afforded I
agree with you. I flipped. I flipped him. I flipped him.
I flipped Mike Sando has has flipped to Orange. He
joins us here in the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio, I saw where you and a couples you
had to predict what would happen with Aaron Rodgers. You
predicted he would report before before training camp starts before

(42:09):
training camp ended. I kind of think he'd report before
the season, you know, That's sort of where I'm at.
I think that he wants to punish them, and he's
taking delight in doing that, and I think that they're
an old school team is probably not gonna finance it
to get him back sooner. But in the end, I

(42:30):
think his ability to I think he'll push it as
far as you can without hurting his legacy. And so
to me, it's to me, it just makes the most
sense for everybody to trade him next offseason. They can
maximize the value, they can know the picks with the
order of the draft, they can have a better feel
for what they've got in their guy. If Jordan's love
does have to play, and it's probably easier for Rogers

(42:54):
to have some input too, because teams, let's face it,
right now, it's harder to clear the decks and bring
in a big salary, changed to a new quarterback, all
of that. So that's why I'm kind of betting that
he eventually comes in and and this is it for
him and Green Bay after this year. Stull gotlib show
here on Fox Sports. Trade regardless of how it goes

(43:16):
regardless of how the season goes. Yes, No, I mean, look,
if he's the m v P again and right, they're
gonna be in the same Conundruman. Who knows, uh, you
know what they potentially give up on Jordan's love. I
don't know, but I think it's very strongly. I would
lean very strongly to the Penis last year. Do you
do you think? And I know you know the Seahawks
so well. My working hypotheses is that among the things

(43:41):
that upset Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers is not just
that they didn't get to a super Bowl, but that
Tom Brady did right. And it's it's like, look, Tom Brady,
I mean, Antonio Brown only worked out with two different guys,
Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. And I'm guessing see I
was like, yeah, we can't really do that it right,
just too much, too much baggage. Can't do it and

(44:04):
um and and Aaron Rodgers you shake hands with that
guy and you're like, are you kidding me? I lost
this guy. I think that Tom Brady is at his
success is a big portion of why they're so upset
with their current franchises. You know, I think that that
is a tipping point. I think it pushed Wilson over
the edge because he came out right after the super Bowl.
There's no questioning was at the super Bowl sitting there

(44:25):
watching it. So I don't think that I think he
carried field these feelings into it, but that it all
came to a flash point. Then I don't think the
Seattle organization mixed him on Antonio Brown. Now. I think
Antonio Brown used Russell Wilson used the Seahawks to get
Tampa Bay to move, and that's where he was going along.
He was actually in Tampa Bay when he was talking
to the Seattle was my understanding. So I don't think

(44:48):
that was necessarily a trigger, but it was symbolic of
just adding on to this idea that Tom Brady frankly
has been rubbing in everybody's face too. It's great love
it here with Bruce Arians and then Bruce Arians like,
oh yeah, we we give telling me a tape of
all the guys are coming out of the draft. He's great,
like like he's really picking the players, right, I mean,
but they're they're like playing into this. I think it's

(45:09):
driving the other guy's nuts. It really is driving the
other guy's nuts, and also keeping some of these guys
playing because they see his success late and they think, well,
if he can do it, I can do it. Absolutely.
I mean imagine any of us have you know your peers,
and if if the other people that do what you do,
we're getting all these things that you wanted and floating

(45:29):
in your face. You did. You have some feelings, right,
and if you happen to make thirty five million a year,
you might verbal oaze those feelings and feel like, you know,
dang it, make it happen. This should be for me.
Mike Sando joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Um, you know, I I saw
this that obviously, the news yesterday was that Karl Nassep

(45:53):
came out as gay. And I feel like we've reached
the point where it's not that big a story. I mean,
it is, and it isn't. I just and and and honestly,
I almost feel like if you lead with it made
a big that actually is the counter to what we
want the ultimate reality to be, which is, hey, okay,

(46:15):
we keep playing football, not a big deal. Personal press
perence are in your mind and you know this game
a lot better than I do, and you've been covering
a lot longer. Do you think we've reached that point
to where it's a story but not that big a story.
I do think that it is a it is a
big deal that is not a bigger deal. But I
don't think that I, at least personally, can fully appreciate

(46:38):
or even articulate what it really does mean to someone
who might be under tremendous stress about something that's fundamental
to their identity, but it is concealed from the public
and even their level ones out of fear. So think
of it from that person standpoint, this is huge, and
so to the extent that we can appreciate what that
means to them, I think it informs our opinion then

(47:00):
of of how big it really is. And I think
with most things like this, you know, you bridge the
otherness by knowing who it is. And so when this
is happening, um, you know, there's nobody attacking Karl nassib
right because he's known to be a good dude, and
he's a good football player and everybody likes him. So

(47:23):
it immediately put a face to something, um, I think
in a really good and positive way, and the reaction
has been positive, and hopefully this helps somebody who really
needs the help, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think that's that's
the that's the point that he was making, and it's
a good one. Um. And I do think that we're

(47:45):
in a pretty good place where it's not nearly as
big a thing as it may have been previously. But
I don't know if it feels that way to people
who are gay who have yet to come out. I don't,
I don't. I don't know that for effects. Doug got
Live Sholly on Fox Sports Radio. Mike Sandos, our guest,
covers the NFL for the Athletics, of course, cover the
Seahawks for years. He this is not his first rodeo. Um, Okay,

(48:10):
we're kind of in this lull spot before it gets real.
Are we taking into account enough how different the season
may look with a seventeenth game. Stick with me for
a second. It's not just that they're adding another game.
A lot of these games are like made for TV games,
So you're adding another game, and you're adding another very

(48:31):
very competitive game for the elite teams. Or do you
think that we have any true understanding yet of what
that does two the teams once we get to the
eighteenth game, which is the playoffs. No, but I think
it's probably overrated if we think it's a huge deal.
I mean, just go back. I mean, the seasons used
to be twelve games, four team games, sixteen games. I

(48:53):
don't remember. Like when I talk to people who played
in the seventies, they're not like, well, you know it
was once we changed to games and seventy eight. I
mean that really changed everything, you know. I think for
most of us it changes. Okay, what does a thousand
New York season mean? You know, those sorts of things.
But um, certainly it's for some players it's going to

(49:13):
be more of wear and terrible. Players are also doing
less than they used to do. It's a much more
specialized game. There's guys playing only a handful of snaps.
In some cases, obviously, no one's going, you know, two ways,
or your starters aren't playing a ton of special teams,
even necessarily in a lot of cases, there's not two
to day practices. The off seasons are being pushed back against.

(49:34):
I think they maybe did get to be too much,
you know, So I think there's ways that it evens
out and and look just to play football now means
you're not going to be absolutely knocked unconscious repeatedly during
the season because the hitting isn't what it used to
be either. So I think it's balances out in its
own way and and it will be okay. Still gotlive

(49:56):
show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, we haven't really
seen anything like what Tampa's looking like that, like the
whole team is back and it's going to be fascinating.
Are we sure they're going to be better? Well, I
think we're sure they're going to be good. And we
don't really know if they're going to win the Super

(50:17):
Bowl because not that it's a random thing, but I
mean one of the odds that they would win it
last year, right, I mean, even the exact same team,
if they played last season five times, do they win
the Super Bowl once twice? Well, that's pretty dark and
good odds if you're winning of the time of your chances.
But it doesn't mean that if you're five percent better
than next year that you happen to win it, right,

(50:38):
It still may only be a ten or fifteen percent
chance that they win it. So there's no question in
my mind that they should be better offensively over the
course of the whole year of just cohesiveness and figuring
it out. They were better the second half. They're going
to add a couple of they get the running back situation,
I think set up better to facilitate Brady. So I
think they're going to be just as good, with just

(51:00):
as good of a chance of winning the super Bowl.
But just remember last year, it wasn't a chance they wanted.
It's only chance in retrospect after they wanted. Um. So
that's kind of how I see it. My great stuff,
awesome catching up with you. Thanks so much for your perspective.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon

(51:20):
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio whap.
Rick Bucker joins us Buke. Um. Okay, so, first thing
on Ben Simmons is poorly kept secret, not really a worker.
And you know, I read an article last night from
Fox Sports dot Com where apparently when Brett Brown was there,

(51:41):
they had a shooting coach to spend spend every day
with him in the summer, and then Rich Paul came
was like, now he's gonna work with his brother, and
it got worse, not better. How much of the work
ethic has been discussed in NBA circles. Oh, I think
it's I think it's pretty well understood. Uh. I mean, look,

(52:02):
the evidence is right there. He had the opportunity the
first year, when he broke to a bone in his foot,
to begin working on a shot that he didn't have
in college at L s U. Uh. You know, the
warning sign already was at L s U. You can't
You're you're a number one pick and you can't get
your team to the NC Double A tournament. Um So,

(52:24):
but and we've we've not five years in and it
has not changed. It is the one thing that's just
perplexing for people that I haven't been able to get
an answer to is why not like what? As you know,
first of all, being able to shoot, being able to
knockdown shots is one of the most rewarding things that

(52:45):
you can have in the game. It's it's fun to shoot.
There's things working on footwork, working on on on post
moves like that, stuff can be grinding. Shooting is fun.
I don't know that there's anything better or or more
enjoyable than to get up shot. And so that's the

(53:05):
part that is most perplexing to me and most people
in the league, which is just the reluctance or the
refusal to develop something that is so critical to the game.
And I don't I wish I had an answer for you,
but I've asked that question of plenty of people in
the league and nobody has given me a reasonable one yet. Um, okay,

(53:27):
do you do you think they commit to try and
to fix it or do you think they try and
they move on from him? I would say that they're
going to try to move on. It's a matter of
what can you get for him? Can you find somebody
who is willing to uh to take that on? And
I would dare say there's probably a better chance that
you're going to find somebody who's willing to take it

(53:48):
on then to fix it. The other problem is at
this point that you've already developed your your team in
a way that is built not to have him shoot. Uh.
You're you're already presuming that that's not part of the equation.
So you've added pieces, and you paid for pieces, uh
to put shooters around him. And it's not that it

(54:11):
wouldn't help that that that he had a shot, But
where are you going to find those shots now, or
where are you going to be able to experiment with
him in developing a shot that that's that's really that's
great tragedy here is that the opportunity was there early
on when they weren't trying to win. There's no better
opportunity than to shoot and shoot away and not worry

(54:34):
about the pressure of having to go deep into the
playoffs or win a championship. Now the parameters are completely different.
The pressure is on everybody in Philadelphia to make good
on trying to win a ring while while Joel Embiad
is still healthy. Otherwise you're going back to the drawing
board having accomplished nothing, and at this point nobody in
Philadelphia wants to do that. Stut gotlip show. You're on

(54:55):
Fox Sports Radio. U. Becky Hammond is one of the finalists,
but so too now is Mike D'Antoni, and its Chauncey
billups Um. Some of this is some help from people
in the league. Some of this is intuition. Right. You
have you have Paul Allen's sister running the team. Yep,

(55:16):
she seems like she wants Becky Hammond and the basketball
people like, yeah, I don't think that keeps us in
the Damian Lillard business or gets us closer to a championship.
I've heard the exact same thing. UM. My understanding is
that Jody Allen is really enamored with hiring Becky. I

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think there's a lot of circumstances where the idea of
hiring Becky being the first team to hire a woman
head coach is appealing from And I don't mean this
is a slight because I think that Becky is a
good coach, but as as a a trend setting statement

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by a team, UM, but it would be with any
any unproven head coach, the idea of hiring them when
you believe that you are in the business of trying
to win a championship or trying to keep a superstar happy. Uh,
that going and and hiring a young, unproven star coach

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is not is not the answer. So I understand where
the where the battle is now. My other understanding, too,
is that UM, that Jody Allen is interested in selling
the team. Number of people have taken a run at
purchasing it. I've been told that it's going to happen
sooner rather than later, but I have not been able

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to identify who the new purchaser might be. The guys,
one of the guys from Robin Hood were interested, uh
and took a run at it. Um. My understanding is
is that that didn't come to fruition, and so I
don't know who is next in line in terms of
getting that done. But that's throwing a little bit of

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a wrinkle in here, uh in this situation as well,
which is, what's what's the timing of the transfer of
or the sale of the team, and doesn't what what timeline?
How does that timeline fit with hiring a new head coach? Correct? Correct,
it's it makes it, it makes it trigger. Let's let's
get to the teams that are still remaining. Um, why

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why are the Clippers not telling us that Kauai has
done to the year? Boy? I don't know, unless it's
just gamesmanship, you know, simply trying to keep the keep
the sons guessing in terms of what what they have
to prepare for. Do we have to prepare for? Uh

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sets in which Kauai would be playing? It just takes
up a little more time. Uh, leaves a little more
of a question and everybody's head. That's that's the only
reason that I can see for doing that, because considering
everything that I've heard and know about the extent of
the injury, the idea of him coming back and playing

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right now seems to be pretty remote. Uh So, other
than trying to get some sort of competitive advantage, I
don't know, and I'm a little bit surprised that the
league has not required a little more transparency in terms
of where he stands. I just and I don't. I
want to say that this is not the first time
that this has happened in recent memory where we were

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uncertain about when someone was going to come back, and
that the the timeline kept shifting when we went through
that with Anthony Davis for a bit during the regular season,
but that was the regular season and the postseason is
a lot different. It is it is really really weird.
Um Tyler has been outstanding? Is it is ability to
to find mismatches. It's taken a couple Do you like this?

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You know the old expression in the NBA is a
playoff series doesn't begin until of the road team wins
a game. I think the new expression should be a
Clippers series doesn't start until they're down oh two? Well,
I do you know? Look I've impressed with his confidence
in his roster and his willingness to make changes. I

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have been surprised at how methodical he has been in
doing it. I was surprised in the Utah series that
he didn't start playing small sooner because and I know
he started the tumb but he went to Zubach, and
he played the Marcus Cousins early on UH and uh

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and and I just been seeing them in the regular season.
I thought that's what was going to be most effective.
I do think that one of the advantages of doing
it the way that he has is that, um, you know,
the durability of the team has been extended. You know,
he's getting minute from a lot of different guys, and

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so we haven't seen other than Kauai, we haven't seen
guys breaking down or fatigued, you know, getting fatigued, and
and so that that has helped. I will be very
interested to see how he approaches this particular game. But
you know, the reality is, I think they could have

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won Game one, and while DeAndre Ayton and how you
match up with him, and do you play Zubach and
our cousins, there's a question. I really think it comes
down to Paul George, You're not Kevin Durant. You're Everybody
keeps saying he has to dominate. When he was at
his best in these playoffs so far, it's been as

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a rebounder, as a defender, initiate the offense. But when
he's going IO, I don't I don't really like what
they get. I think they get they get too stagnant
when it's given. Give him the ball on the on
the pinch post and and then just wait to see
where he can go and we'll play off of that.

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I don't think that's them at their best. So Reggie
Jackson trying, not trying to do too much, Paul George
getting back to the way he played against the Utah Jazz.
I think if you get that, you have enough for
the Clippers at least to win Game two and we'll
see how we go from there. Brig Bukers, our guest
in the Dug Outlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM,

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why why do I not think that the Atlanta Hawks
have a legitimate chance to win this thing? When the
when the East? I don't know, because I feel as
if UM I haven't been overwhelmed by the way Mike
Budenholzer has coached the six man rotation. I mean, again,

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what we've seen so far is that depth and versatility
has been the hallmark. Now, um, what are the matchups
are going going to be? And you know what's what's
Drew Holidays. I would have hoped that Drew Holidays more
effective on Tree than UH than Ben Simmons was at

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the end of that series. I also think that Atlanta
has more guys to guard UH in this series than
they did in in the last one. It's it's not
as I guess, I'm I understand why your hesitation might
be there with Atlanta because it feels like they just

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they found teams that that we're just lesser than them
in various ways, or that they had an antidote that
that the other teams lost as much as the Hawks
of one. But that said, I have my questions about
the Bucks too in the same regard, and so I
feel like they might be able to steal another series.

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I have the Bucks winning, I have a Bucks Clippers Finals.
I've had it since the beginning of the year, but
I you know, I just haven't been impressed with how
Bud has utilized his roster or how he has utilized matchups. Um,
I think you're gonna need to see some Bobby Portis

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uh in this series. I think you're gonna need to
see Brent Forbes get back to shooting the way we've
seen him shoot at previous times prior to the previous
UH series. So, um, you know, if those things happened,
then I think that the then then the Bucks win.
But I I don't think the Bucks are full proofed

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by any means, and so I think they could be
as vulnerable to the Hawks as the Sixers. In the
next world, I agree there. Like I thought the Nets
were obviously if they're healthy, I thought they were a
lot better than the box. The problem is they weren't healthy. Um.
Just that's really that. The story of this postseason is

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he used the healthiest it seems to be able to
survive the longest. Yeah. Well, and that's why I don't
like this whole You know, you've got to have a
big three, you've gotta be top heavy. I just I
don't I'm not convinced that that's actually been the the
blueprint for the last few years. I don't think it

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was what made the Lakers so good in the bubble
it was that they were getting contributions from Dwight Howard
and Cantavious called Will Pope and Kyle Kuzma and Alice
Caruso and yes A d and and and Lebron were special,
but um, you know they got contributions for a lot
of different places. The Toronto Raptors got contributions from a

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lot of different places. I would say that the Warriors
with k D those those two years were the when
a top heavy team uh one it. But other than that,
early Warriors was not that. I just I think we're
in a different place. You have to have a closer,
a superstar who forces mismatches, for sure. But the concept

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of a big three as being the winning formula, but
for that very thing, because if you get one injury, um,
then you don't have a big three and you're we're
if you're if you're riding a big three, chances are
one of those pieces going to get injured before you
get to the finish line. Be great stuff, man, Thanks

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