July 22, 2021 • 36 mins
Doug thinks High School basketball prodigy Mikey Williams signing with Excel Sports is a sign of how the new NIL rules is a slippery slope we're already sliding down. He explains how Texas and Oklahoma approaching the SEC is all about alliance and leverage. DeAndre Hopkins says he'll contemplate his future in the NFL after the league threatens forfeited games following covid outbreaks. Plus, SI Columnist Ross Dellenger weighs in on all this and more.
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of the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. There
is some groundbreaking news on the basketball front in terms
of name, image and likeness. Mikey Williams is a is
a prodigy. Um, He's going to be a junior in
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high school. He has played for I believe Sanya Cedro
High School going back to the last two years and
uh He's played for Lebron with Lebron's Sons AU team,
has played all over. He is a burgeoning star are
superstar level recruit who will likely never go to college.
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So he signed a deal today, a name, image and
likeness deal with Excel Sports. Excel Sports is like they're
going to try and corner the market on getting guy's name,
image and likeness deals. It makes sense with Mike Williams
because he has I think he might even have two
million followers, like it's definitely over a million followers, and
he is a a YouTube slash Instagram sensation and so
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now he's able to to to profit and have endorsement
deals off his name, image and likeness while he's in
high school. And I don't hate to say I told
you so, I did in fact tell you so. Now
the red herring here is that Mike Williams was never
going to play in college anyway. Nobody's even recruiting him
because nobody thought that he would. What would let alone
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be whether it be eligible or even want to write,
he's the type of kid who goes to the G
League select or goes in plays maybe overseas if they
want him. Because this that's always been his career, pant
planning career path there. There's never been any sort of
desire to go to college. The problem is that, and
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you'll see this from people, this is what I told
you was coming, And like, wait a second, I thought
names likeness was for college like it is. But if
you completely destroy any ideals of what being an amateur is,
you destroy any ideals of what being a kid is.
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And while for mikey Williams. This may be great and beneficial,
and it might not affect his career trajectory at all.
The fact is that I think it's gross. I think
it's gross. And I understand that there are child actors
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who have become model citizens, that are good parents, good humans,
and some are still even in the profession of acting.
But how many stories do we need to to learn
about before we go? Yeah? It was too much, too soon? Right?
And while some of this mirrors what kids do overseas,
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Luca don Chick, for example, was a professional I believe
by the age of fourteen. Right, Um, the difference is
so vast, right, Like I love people that say, well,
you know this overseas, this is what happens, and with golfers,
this is what happens. And with the difference is our
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society is wired so completely differently. Our education of our
children is so far behind in comparison to many of
these countries, and our ability to provide any sort of
safety net for guys where it doesn't work out is
are different from that. Like we're only we were doing this.
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This is what we kind of do in in in America. Right,
we don't we don't want to use the whole Bible,
because the whole Bible has some things which I don't know,
you probably wouldn't want to repeat in public in terms
of um feelings about different races and homosexuality, And there's
lots of stuff in there that people choose to just
I want to get to the heart of what I
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feel like the Bible is about, which is great. But
there is a whole book there. There are a lot
of different messages in it, and not new and Old Testament,
and not all of them are perfect for society, but
you want them. We want us to use a snabshot
of it and use it to make our point. We
do the same thing with the Constitution, right, I we
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want to use one amendment to the Constitution, not understanding
the entire Bill of Rights or the entire Constitution what
it says, or even what it actually means. Right, freedom
of speech does not actually mean you're free of repercussion.
It doesn't mean you can say whatever the hell you
to say or do whatever the hell you want to do.
That that's what we do. This is what we do, though,
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and and we're doing this now with athletes or go like, hey,
you know, they they got the system over there, you know,
whether it's Australia or they have the academy, the Australian
Institute of Sport or you know, we can have our
academy system. We can. You know, we don't have universal healthcare,
our tax rate is far lower, we don't have a
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junior hoops system. We have a college system, which oh yeah,
by the way, is intended to help even some of
the playing field of getting into and staying into colleges
so that we educate the masses for the fact that
we only have four hundred fifty NBA jobs, right we
just our whole system is completely different. Like if you
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guys say, well, when you're fourteen, there you go and
you play, or yeah you can't, you absolutely can't. But
there there's a very different way of educating people. There's
a very different like, yeah, they have the if you
want to compare to Spain, they have first Division, they
have second division, they have third division. Right we we
don't have that here. We kind of have it all
or nothing sort of system. So I'm fascinated by this.
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But the the bigger kind of point is I want
to know where all the people are who were so
dead set on destroying any sense of what amateurism is
or was, and now all of a sudden, you are
you good with this? And if you're okay with paying
high school kids, that's great? Are you then okay with
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paying middle school kids? And if that, are you okay
with paying Where does it actually end? Where does it end?
Because for everyone story Mikey Williams, where he makes thousands
upon thousands of dollars, and then because he's on that
upper trajectory and he ultimately pans out and becomes an
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NBA player, it doesn't like had Lebron got to college,
not going to college, Lebron would be a great player.
He's six ft two sixty pounds. He can pass, he
can shoot, he can dribble, he knows how to play.
He's been well coached since he was in high school,
like he was gonna be good whether he went to
school or didn't go to school. The path didn't. All
it did was pay him a year earlier. That's all
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it really did. And he's surrounded himself with enough really
smart people, and then some of his friends have risen
to his level, and now he has his group of
guys and his support staff and they're all making tons
of money and gonna live great lives. But like that's
the one story. It's like the one story. I mean,
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the perfect example is, you know, we're all celebrating LaMelo ball,
the lawn Zo ball thing, and he's gonna get paid
here in this offseason, but his dad started a shoe
and gear company. It win't bankrupt. You know, somebody's supposedly
ran off with all the money, but nobody was even
wearing the shoes anyway. I'm I guarantee the league that
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his dad started cost a Lonzo Ball a ton of money.
I just I just think profiting off your kid when
he's fourteen or fifteen years old to play basketball when
he's playing in high school and ay you like, I
just think the whole thing's gross. And it's the law
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of unintended consequences that we don't ever take into account.
We worry so much about the one percent of one
percenters who are going to achieve. Mike Williams gonna be
a great basketball player and make a lot of money regardless.
But we worry so much about those guys that they'll
be fine. We don't take any account to what it
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does to the vast majority of kids who hey, man,
it's just about playing ball and getting better and hopefully
getting to college and playing on college scholarship and starting
yourself off in a great life and then getting a
great job and always having those hopes and dreams and
thoughts uh brewing in your mind of maybe becoming a professional,
maybe playing overseas, or maybe going to the workforce and
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benefited from what we we have done a terrible job
as a society of understanding the benefits of how it
all works, of how it all works. And I I
sound to to some of you, I sound like some
arcane you know, knuckle dragger, get off my lawn sort
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of dude. The truth is, I just understand all of
the benefits from the way in which my life and
career went, and I only want that for other people.
I only want them to succeed. You know, I spent
last week coaching guys that we're all still kind of
chasing it, you know, making somewhere load to mid five figures.
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A couple maybe two are making six figures, and there's
several years removed from college. But whenever they get done
and decide all I'm gonna stop chasing it, who are
they going to call on in order to get that
first job me and and people who are like me
who went to the same school, who can then recommend
them and get them into a new field. That that's
the that's the way it works. That's the way. That's
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the way it works. And we're not telling people that. Instead,
we're telling them, go get your money now and the
rest will take care of itself. And it doesn't actually
take care of itself all right. Coming up next, be
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What's your favorite reality show? John Ramos? All time? Oh?
Of all time? I've always always enjoyed the Ozzy Osbourne
One's Yeah with his Family. I thought it was yeah,
quite funny and Okay, that's that's good. Um Isaac, are
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you a big reality show TV watcher? And do you
have a favorite? I feel sorry for the poor SAPs
who make reality TV a part of their lives. That
being said, uh, let's go with um Jersey Shore Jersey
Shore g t L, Baby g t L, Jim Tan
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and what's it with next one? Jim Tan and Low
and Crown No, Jim Tann and Laundry, Jim Tan Laundry,
g t L Jim Tan Laundry lead the Lap producing
today's show favorite. Um, your your favorite? Uh? A reality show?
I grew up on the Real World when that started,
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so I'll go with the Real World. I'm watching alone
right now, which I like a lot to. Okay, here's
the question, and you guys can all answer at the
same time once whatever, do you believe that there are
in the show that you picked? Are the things you
take from it that you can use in real life
or is it a complete departure from real life? Right? So,
it's the reality show? Do you believe it's real? John Ramos,
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I believe that the original couple of years of reality
shows were real. I do not believe that they're real currently. Okay,
Isaac Tragically, I do believe that most of Jersey Shore
was their genuine behavior. The question is would that apply
to one of the Real Housewives show? I mean, if
cameras weren't around, would they be getting in all sorts
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of fights over catering and who had the best birthday
party and so on and so forth. I think what
it does is it just amplifies everything, and fights become amplified,
personalities become amplified, going out becomes amplified, hookups become everything
becomes aplified because of this insatiable need for more and
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more attention, etcetera, etcetera. Lee, do you think your reality
show of choice there's reality to it? Uh? There is,
but like you said, they throw they throw stuff in
there to kind of uh boil a pot, boil it up.
So no, I don't think it's all real. Okay, Um,
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do you guys want to know what the best and
most appropriate reality show you should all watch? There's more
than twenty five seasons of it and it applies to
life way more than anything else in the history of television.
Do you want us to guess? Or yeah? I think well,
I think the one that's been the longest that I
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know of. I think it's Survivor. Yeah. Now, now here's
what happened. Go ahead. I was going to guess the NFL,
but Survivor sounds um so, So here's the thing I watched.
When the first Survivor came out, they had that remember
they gave away that terrible pontiac SUV was just awful.
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I mean, just the worst looking hunk of clunk junk ever.
Okay um, and I forget the guy's name who won it, right,
But my issue with Survivor was I was like, man,
this ain't real. I thought they were all about going
like I thought Survivor was gonna be naked and afraid.
Like naked and afraid. Now that Survivor Survivor is, you know,
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it's about alliances and manipulating people and right, that's why
Survivor is a must watch. You want to make it
in business, watch Survivor. Learn lessons, and the number one
lesson you have to learn is it's the basic premise
of it's not what you know, but who you know.
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This world is about alliances. Get aligned with the best,
the smartest, the toughest, the ones that get aligned with
those people. If you're aligned with those people, you will
survive a lot, a lot longer than trying to go
it alone. I wish you could tell you that the
world is just about how talented you are. It ain't.
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It ain't. Talent is important, but who you know and
your connections with them are incredibly important. You know. Like
we we talked a lot last week about the Maria
Taylor thing right, Like you know, nobody else in the
media mentioned that. Basically what happened was Rachel Nichols had
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one boss like I named UH Connor Shell. Connor started
the jump, really liked how Rachel hosted shows. Connor Rachel
tied together. Connor Shell leaves the company. Okay, and there's
another woman named Stephanie Juley who previously ran College Game
Day and other stuff and who worked for her Maria Taylor.
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And so Maria Taylor gets the job there. Why because
alliances their aligned, they've worked together. That's the way it happens.
The same reason why did Kevin Love first get appointed
to UH Team USA was because of how well he
played this year. No, he'd been with USA Basketball since
he was fourteen years old. He was aligned with them.
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They gave him the first opportunity, even though his play
at this point in time in his career did not
warrant such an opportunity. It's about alliances. I could go
further into that. So what happened yesterday in college sports
as it got out from the Houston Chronicle that Texas
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and Oklahoma reaching out to the SEC. Hey, we might
want to switch alliances. We might want to go to
the SEC. Right now, there are some unintended consequences for Oklahoma,
most notably Oklahoma State and something I've told you guys
for a long time. At all my stops right, at
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all my stops, because it's been very much part and
I do think that the conference realignment, for the most
part is more of a media discussion and a super
college fan discussion than his mainstream discussion. But where it
applies here is all these things are right. All these
things are about alliances. Right. Chris Paul goes to Phoenix,
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why because he had trust with Money Williams. There's the relationship.
Chris Paul may opt out and go to l A.
Why because his best friend is Lebron James. I wish
I could tell you simply it's about l A and
the Lakers and that now it's because he's the boys
with Lebron James and he who gives me the best
chance to win that title. But I gotta go with
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somebody that I know. All this stuff is about alliances
and with alliances and trying to pull somebody over and
trying to get the best deal possible. And this is
also part of survivor. Is the magic Gordon business leverage, leverage.
You want a better deal, go out and get a
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better deal. I've worked at three companies. None of them, okay,
three of the three biggest media companies. None of them
are just gonna go like, hey, you know what you're
doing so great, We're gonna double your money. No, no, no,
we're gonna double your money. Why why not? You're awesome?
That's not the way the world works, right. You get
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a specific window where you can go shop your services.
You go shop your services, you get a deal above
the value of what you're currently making, and then you
go back to your place and one and go like, look,
I I'm making you know fifty over here, I can
make seventy five over there? Can you match it? Or
can you go above and beyond? Because it's a better opportunity.
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Texas is gonna be potentially a free agent here two
thou are they gonna leave the Big twelve? I have
no idea. I don't think they know. But what they
want to do is right now, they can shop, they
can chop. They've been at a financial advantage to everybody
in the conference. Are the only school in the conference
with their own TV network. They make they make and
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spend way more, almost twice as much as anybody else
in the league, and yet can't win a basketball can't
win in football. But they're building the news. They've they've
redone the stadium several times over. They're building a new
basketball arena, and they want to be aligned with the
best of the best of the best. And it does
make sense, right because you look at the college football
playoff and how it's going to evolve. The SEC is
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gonna get three teams. Now the Big twelve we'll get
one might get to They might get to and I
think it'd be a mistake. Right, You're better off being
the biggest fish in that pond and maybe making slightly
less on the TV revenue because you've got your own network.
But again, this is just them out there shopping. Doesn't
mean they're gonna leave, And if they leave, it doesn't
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mean they go to the SEC. They might be able
to go to Pack twelve. Why because the Pac Twelves
network is floundering, right, They desperately desperately need all of
those eyes of Texas. The US are ripple you. Right,
All of that said that, this is about alliances and leverage.
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That's the business is about don't get caught up in
the my school, your school, rivalry school, don't worry about that.
I wish it was also about kind of that that
you know, when when Missouri left, they left a rivalry
with Kansas in Kansas State that had spanned over a
hundred years. When Texas A and M left, they left
a rivalry that spanned over a hundred years, and they
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haven't played each other in football since. And and A
and M. Though financially they benefited greatly from it, they
actually they've been worse in basketball and worse in football,
or maybe they've been the same. That's who they are,
right Whereas with the exact same program, the exact same
personnel in basketball and football, they probably would have been
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a up the Big Twelve. To be totally candid, but
business is about alliances and leverage. That's it. That's all.
Are there some ties? Are there? The possibility of taxes
or leaving a Brethren school or you know, or leaving
your conference that would make make are those alliances so
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tight with the Big Twelve that maybe it pulls him back? Sure?
But that's all this is about. It's an exploratory Hey,
what would the world look like if we switched conferences.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Yeah,
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I saw this story. Now did he deleted lee? Is that?
Is that what happened? Um? He did delete it shortly
after putting this up. Okay, you want to you want
to read it a new Copkins said DeAndre Hopkins, Arizona
Cardinals wide receiver. Go ahead. I never thought I would
say this, but being put in a position hurt my
team because I don't want to partake in the vaccine
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is making me question my future in the NFL. Yeah,
you should really go talk to somebody nuke now Listen,
there's an added sensitivity to for for for black men,
especially because of the Tuskegee Was the Tuskegee Project? Is
that what it was called? Right? Um? We we should
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keep in mind that that was over a half century ago. Right,
It's a half century ago. And I just honestly, this
is the problem with the misinformation that was out there
for so long, is that you have people questioning like, well,
it's only approved for emergency used by the FDA, Like
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it's a you gotta take a breath. There's like, oh there,
there's there. There's been some adverse reactions to It's like
like we we report on the very the most minute numbers,
and we don't take we don't we don't educate people,
or we haven't to this point educated people on the
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whole idea of the vaccine, right, Like, look, the whole
idea of the vaccine is if everybody gets vaccinated, it's
it's not going to stop COVID. But what it does
is it limits the potency and the spread ability of COVID. Additionally,
it hurts the virus's ability to metamorphosize into something else.
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And there's a reason that the rest of the world
is is asking for us to provide them their vaccines.
Are vaccines, I mean just this, like yeah, we we
we want some of that. Why because it works? Because
it works, and you look at the outbreaks and the
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hospitalization and there's a very easy correlation between if you're
vaccine and if you're not vaccinated, and if the most
people in your area are vaccinated, if they're not vaccinated.
I was having a conversation with somebody the other day
and they were like, he's like, man, I'm not getting vaccinated.
He's like, but I gotta go get my tetnas shot,
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Like you'll get a tetnas shot, but you won't get
a vaccine to stop a global help stop a global pandemic.
Do you know how hypocritical that sounds? Um? I think
if DeAndre Hopkins talked to a doctor, not the team doctor,
his own position, he would have a different opinion. You know,
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he would have to. And and it's the irony and
so many of these things where people that they don't understand.
It's like they said, well, my personal freedoms are where
I don't happen. You're right, your personal treams you don't
have to, but we can put limitters like the NFL has.
The NFL is basically punishing you if you don't get
vaccinated without punishing you for not getting vaccine. As they're doing,
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they're gonna make life so miserable for you. I got
test every day. I can't go outside the facility. I
go go straight home like I'm getting monitored, Like no thanks,
Or you could go get one J and J shot,
or go get two shots, you know, the murk or whatever.
This is not it's not that hard. But he threatened
Deevon to retire like classic classic Ross Dellinger joining us
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on The Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
vaccines and conference realignment, which you want to start with, Uh,
why don't we just stick to vaccines? I guess? Um? Okay,
Washington State has a new head coach and he doesn't
wanted his clothes if he's had the vaccine, he won't
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go to media days, meaning he hasn't had the vaccine. Like,
how how do you think schools adjust as we get
closer to the season. Yeah, it's truly. Um, it's really
disappointing because you've got team leagues that are that are
trying to get their teams in their leagues fully vaccinated
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or as close as they can U one for protection obviously,
but but too uh. And they're pretty blankant about this
to avoid in seasoned disruptions like we had last year
in UM. When you're trying to get a team ninety
plus percent vaccinated and your head coach won't get vaccinated,
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your leader refuses to do it, that's a problem. And
you can imagine there are a lot of administrators in
those leagues that are frustrated about it, you know, and
and Nick Rolovich isn't the only one. You know, Mississippi
States Mike Leach, who ironically was the last Washington State coach,
UM would not answer whether he was vaccinated or not.
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You can read into that what you might. And Brian Hartson,
the Auburn coach, actually uh seems to have suggested today
at media Day that he uh that he uh, you know,
saying things. I get the personal feeling, you know, Auburn
is not at the even the seventy mark. I think, Um,
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so there are issues on certain teams. Then and then, Doug,
you have a team like Alabama, UM, whose coach has
been vocal about getting the vaccine, has done commercials and
advertisements endorsing the vaccine, and whose team is nearly at
vaccinated Stug gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM.
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I get the sense though that by by the time
we get to September, they'll all be vaccinated, right like
it does. I don't know if you, I don't know,
have you seen the turn? But now Fox News has
gone from questioning the vaccine to pushing people to get vaccinated.
It feels like college sports is the next one to turn. Yeah,
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I think that if I had to guess you know
the SEC to give your listen as a little information. Uh. So,
the SEC right now is I believe that six of
its fourteen teams are at or better vaccination rates. Uh.
And I think what you'll see happen is you'll have
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eleven or twelve of the fourteen teams to be at
that rate by kickoff. And I think most leagues will
probably be the same boat, where of their teams are
nine percent vaccinated or vaccinated. But you're we're gonna have
game disruptions because I'm convinced there's gonna be two or
three teams in each league that are gonna be below
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seventies or whatever, and they're gonna have outbreaks. But but
I agree, I think the vast majority by kickoff will
be vaccinated. But prepare yourself for some game to erruptions
this year. Um, Okay, what do you make of the
Texas Oklahoma story? Yeah, I'll be honest. I I'm pretty
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close to the SEC, and and that one just stunned me.
I was shocked when it came out. Oddly enough, I
was standing right next to Texas A and m athletic
director ross the York. Uh when it came out at
SEC Media days that here in Birminghame. Uh, and so
it was, it was, it was an interesting next couple
of hours. I'll make what I'm making of it is
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is uh, because of an expanded playoff, teams don't have
to win their conference now really or go undefeated to
get into a playoff. You could lose three games and
get into this expanded playoff potentially. So now what are
teams chasing like in Texas are in Oklahoma probably chasing money?
Um And the the SEC has a pretty big, bad
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new TV contract, and I think the super for a
conference is something that, um, we could see happening. And
maybe it's not only two teams that the SEC is after,
maybe the super conferences in sixteen team, maybe it's eighteen
or twenty two or whatever. But I think college sports
is changing for a lot of reasons. UM, and this
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is just another changes. You're gonna have another wave of realignment. UM.
So you you believe it happens. I don't know what
to believe. I think that it's very serious and I
think there's a very real possibility in it happening. However,
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politics are involved, like with everything Doug and in the
politics and Oklahoma and the politics and state of Texas
are some real things that maybe could slow it down.
And you have a conference member in the SEC Texas
A and M that is vehemently against it, and certainly
good front conference members to express their support, you know,
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get their support on their side. So there are obstacles. Yeah,
it's it's interesting because, um, when they last had conference realignment,
I was told that they wanted to add Clemson, they
wanted to add Georgia Tech and Georgia and South Carolina.
We're like, yeah, no, obviously they got Florida abound with them.
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And that's that's really the what what A and M.
That's the stance A and M would take, right, y'all
you need your votes. You get Missouri, you get uh,
South Carolina, you get Georgia, you get Florida, and now
you have your alliance to keep Texas out of the SEC.
Fair to say that that's what that's what limits Texas
ability get in the SEC. Maybe yeah. I will say
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this though, that and that was what you're referring to
as the old what they called the old Gentleman's agreement
among those schools. Uh, you know, and I think that
things have changed. At least that's time. I feel from
talking to people within the SEC, I am not convinced
that that Gentleman's agreement still exists. I'm not convinced that
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it's something that will be used. Um. But the SEC,
and in a lot of conferences, love when they make
a big decision like this, DOUG to have unanimous consent
across the board. And so I don't know that that
Gentleman's Agreement is is still really in existence. I don't
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know if that's going to be the thing that stops this.
I think more so it might be the political issues
in those states, especially Oklahoma. Man, it really does seem
like that's that's gonna be interesting to watch. Well, look,
I'll tell you something that that people don't know. Okay,
So what you're talking about is the idea if you
break take Oklahoma, you gotta take Oklahoma stay with you, right,
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which I mean, you know, potentially could happen whatever. Like Sotain,
I mean, school has lost a lot of money last year.
I know there's a couple of schools in the Big twelve.
They're not turning on their air conditioning at their arenas
or heaters at their arenas all year long, and it
saves them over a million dollars. Right, So if you
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go in the Midwest and you go to some of
these schools, they don't have their A C on because
it saves them a bunch of money. Like we think
they're just all rolling the money, and that really isn't
the case in the short term, No, not at all.
And and and that's what's been lost. You know, I
live in d c. And and you know you've talked
to me before about name image and likeness and in
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congressional hearings and such, and every time you hear a
lawmaker talk, they're just bashing the n c A in general.
And college sports were having so much money. Yes, the
top level college teams have a lot of money and
spend a lot of money. But man, there are the
vast majority, I would say a good eight don't really
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make a lot of money, and many of them lose money.
So yeah, it's it's a there's a that's the thing.
There's a separator right now. And this is what we're
seeing with the SEC probably you know, potentially being courted
by according Oklahoma and Texas, is there's a split not
just between the group of five and the Power five.
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They're just split between the Power five. Within the Power five,
you have the twenty or thirty teams that make a
lot of money and spend a lot of money, and
you have the right the next thirty or forty that
spend a lot of money and don't make a ton
of profit. Uh. And that's a real thing. Ross Salentre
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joining us on the dug Otlive Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, alright, taking that, taking that aside, Um,
I there is going to be football to be played.
How how quickly can Texas get back to I mean
one of the things is they've had a financial advantage
over that entire league. Send so those schools left, they
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probably had to win those schools were there, but maybe
even more so since they left, since all four schools left.
And yet they haven't won a Big twelve conference. They
haven't even played in a Big twelve Conference championship game.
How far away are they? Yeah? I mean brand new
coach right, starting to rebuild. Uh, I mean it is Texas.
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You should get recruits, right, you should get good players. Um,
within a couple of years, you should be at a
position where you'd win ten games out of the year.
But you start talking about coming to the SEC and
all of a sudden, winning center eleven games isn't so
easy even with good players. Uh, you know, to answer
your original question, I don't know how fast this this happens.
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As far as them playing in the SEC, they have
a grant, you know, grant than a right steal with
with the Big Twelve that they plan on not renewing.
But they have to pay a lot of money. I
think it's over seventy million dollars each. I'll believe Oklahoma
and Texas would have to pay to get out immediately.
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But you know you don't want lame duck schools in
your conference, the one one Big twelve. A d mentioned
that to me this morning, like, oh, we don't want
Texas and Oklahoma sticking around if they're gonna leave in
three four years. So heck, I guess it. Conceivably, if
you wrote a big check dog that could happen next year,
that would be nuts. That would be absolutely positively nuts. Ross,
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Thanks so much for joining us wild times in college sports. Uh,
we'll talk to you, we'll get close and clothes. We'll
actually have football being played thanks to me our guests already.
Thanks Doug, Ross is awesome. That so great for him
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of the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. There
is some groundbreaking news on the basketball front in terms
of name, image and likeness. Mikey Williams is a is
a prodigy. Um, He's going to be a junior in
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high school. He has played for I believe Sanya Cedro
High School going back to the last two years and
uh He's played for Lebron with Lebron's Sons AU team,
has played all over. He is a burgeoning star are
superstar level recruit who will likely never go to college.
(01:06):
So he signed a deal today, a name, image and
likeness deal with Excel Sports. Excel Sports is like they're
going to try and corner the market on getting guy's name,
image and likeness deals. It makes sense with Mike Williams
because he has I think he might even have two
million followers, like it's definitely over a million followers, and
he is a a YouTube slash Instagram sensation and so
(01:30):
now he's able to to to profit and have endorsement
deals off his name, image and likeness while he's in
high school. And I don't hate to say I told
you so, I did in fact tell you so. Now
the red herring here is that Mike Williams was never
going to play in college anyway. Nobody's even recruiting him
because nobody thought that he would. What would let alone
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be whether it be eligible or even want to write,
he's the type of kid who goes to the G
League select or goes in plays maybe overseas if they
want him. Because this that's always been his career, pant
planning career path there. There's never been any sort of
desire to go to college. The problem is that, and
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you'll see this from people, this is what I told
you was coming, And like, wait a second, I thought
names likeness was for college like it is. But if
you completely destroy any ideals of what being an amateur is,
you destroy any ideals of what being a kid is.
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And while for mikey Williams. This may be great and beneficial,
and it might not affect his career trajectory at all.
The fact is that I think it's gross. I think
it's gross. And I understand that there are child actors
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who have become model citizens, that are good parents, good humans,
and some are still even in the profession of acting.
But how many stories do we need to to learn
about before we go? Yeah? It was too much, too soon? Right?
And while some of this mirrors what kids do overseas,
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Luca don Chick, for example, was a professional I believe
by the age of fourteen. Right, Um, the difference is
so vast, right, Like I love people that say, well,
you know this overseas, this is what happens, and with golfers,
this is what happens. And with the difference is our
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society is wired so completely differently. Our education of our
children is so far behind in comparison to many of
these countries, and our ability to provide any sort of
safety net for guys where it doesn't work out is
are different from that. Like we're only we were doing this.
(04:04):
This is what we kind of do in in in America. Right,
we don't we don't want to use the whole Bible,
because the whole Bible has some things which I don't know,
you probably wouldn't want to repeat in public in terms
of um feelings about different races and homosexuality, And there's
lots of stuff in there that people choose to just
I want to get to the heart of what I
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feel like the Bible is about, which is great. But
there is a whole book there. There are a lot
of different messages in it, and not new and Old Testament,
and not all of them are perfect for society, but
you want them. We want us to use a snabshot
of it and use it to make our point. We
do the same thing with the Constitution, right, I we
(04:45):
want to use one amendment to the Constitution, not understanding
the entire Bill of Rights or the entire Constitution what
it says, or even what it actually means. Right, freedom
of speech does not actually mean you're free of repercussion.
It doesn't mean you can say whatever the hell you
to say or do whatever the hell you want to do.
That that's what we do. This is what we do, though,
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and and we're doing this now with athletes or go like, hey,
you know, they they got the system over there, you know,
whether it's Australia or they have the academy, the Australian
Institute of Sport or you know, we can have our
academy system. We can. You know, we don't have universal healthcare,
our tax rate is far lower, we don't have a
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junior hoops system. We have a college system, which oh yeah,
by the way, is intended to help even some of
the playing field of getting into and staying into colleges
so that we educate the masses for the fact that
we only have four hundred fifty NBA jobs, right we
just our whole system is completely different. Like if you
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guys say, well, when you're fourteen, there you go and
you play, or yeah you can't, you absolutely can't. But
there there's a very different way of educating people. There's
a very different like, yeah, they have the if you
want to compare to Spain, they have first Division, they
have second division, they have third division. Right we we
don't have that here. We kind of have it all
or nothing sort of system. So I'm fascinated by this.
(06:20):
But the the bigger kind of point is I want
to know where all the people are who were so
dead set on destroying any sense of what amateurism is
or was, and now all of a sudden, you are
you good with this? And if you're okay with paying
high school kids, that's great? Are you then okay with
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paying middle school kids? And if that, are you okay
with paying Where does it actually end? Where does it end?
Because for everyone story Mikey Williams, where he makes thousands
upon thousands of dollars, and then because he's on that
upper trajectory and he ultimately pans out and becomes an
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NBA player, it doesn't like had Lebron got to college,
not going to college, Lebron would be a great player.
He's six ft two sixty pounds. He can pass, he
can shoot, he can dribble, he knows how to play.
He's been well coached since he was in high school,
like he was gonna be good whether he went to
school or didn't go to school. The path didn't. All
it did was pay him a year earlier. That's all
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it really did. And he's surrounded himself with enough really
smart people, and then some of his friends have risen
to his level, and now he has his group of
guys and his support staff and they're all making tons
of money and gonna live great lives. But like that's
the one story. It's like the one story. I mean,
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the perfect example is, you know, we're all celebrating LaMelo ball,
the lawn Zo ball thing, and he's gonna get paid
here in this offseason, but his dad started a shoe
and gear company. It win't bankrupt. You know, somebody's supposedly
ran off with all the money, but nobody was even
wearing the shoes anyway. I'm I guarantee the league that
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his dad started cost a Lonzo Ball a ton of money.
I just I just think profiting off your kid when
he's fourteen or fifteen years old to play basketball when
he's playing in high school and ay you like, I
just think the whole thing's gross. And it's the law
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of unintended consequences that we don't ever take into account.
We worry so much about the one percent of one
percenters who are going to achieve. Mike Williams gonna be
a great basketball player and make a lot of money regardless.
But we worry so much about those guys that they'll
be fine. We don't take any account to what it
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does to the vast majority of kids who hey, man,
it's just about playing ball and getting better and hopefully
getting to college and playing on college scholarship and starting
yourself off in a great life and then getting a
great job and always having those hopes and dreams and
thoughts uh brewing in your mind of maybe becoming a professional,
maybe playing overseas, or maybe going to the workforce and
(09:21):
benefited from what we we have done a terrible job
as a society of understanding the benefits of how it
all works, of how it all works. And I I
sound to to some of you, I sound like some
arcane you know, knuckle dragger, get off my lawn sort
(09:41):
of dude. The truth is, I just understand all of
the benefits from the way in which my life and
career went, and I only want that for other people.
I only want them to succeed. You know, I spent
last week coaching guys that we're all still kind of
chasing it, you know, making somewhere load to mid five figures.
(10:05):
A couple maybe two are making six figures, and there's
several years removed from college. But whenever they get done
and decide all I'm gonna stop chasing it, who are
they going to call on in order to get that
first job me and and people who are like me
who went to the same school, who can then recommend
them and get them into a new field. That that's
the that's the way it works. That's the way. That's
(10:29):
the way it works. And we're not telling people that. Instead,
we're telling them, go get your money now and the
rest will take care of itself. And it doesn't actually
take care of itself all right. Coming up next, be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio A app.
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What's your favorite reality show? John Ramos? All time? Oh?
Of all time? I've always always enjoyed the Ozzy Osbourne
One's Yeah with his Family. I thought it was yeah,
quite funny and Okay, that's that's good. Um Isaac, are
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you a big reality show TV watcher? And do you
have a favorite? I feel sorry for the poor SAPs
who make reality TV a part of their lives. That
being said, uh, let's go with um Jersey Shore Jersey
Shore g t L, Baby g t L, Jim Tan
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and what's it with next one? Jim Tan and Low
and Crown No, Jim Tann and Laundry, Jim Tan Laundry,
g t L Jim Tan Laundry lead the Lap producing
today's show favorite. Um, your your favorite? Uh? A reality show?
I grew up on the Real World when that started,
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so I'll go with the Real World. I'm watching alone
right now, which I like a lot to. Okay, here's
the question, and you guys can all answer at the
same time once whatever, do you believe that there are
in the show that you picked? Are the things you
take from it that you can use in real life
or is it a complete departure from real life? Right? So,
it's the reality show? Do you believe it's real? John Ramos,
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I believe that the original couple of years of reality
shows were real. I do not believe that they're real currently. Okay,
Isaac Tragically, I do believe that most of Jersey Shore
was their genuine behavior. The question is would that apply
to one of the Real Housewives show? I mean, if
cameras weren't around, would they be getting in all sorts
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of fights over catering and who had the best birthday
party and so on and so forth. I think what
it does is it just amplifies everything, and fights become amplified,
personalities become amplified, going out becomes amplified, hookups become everything
becomes aplified because of this insatiable need for more and
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more attention, etcetera, etcetera. Lee, do you think your reality
show of choice there's reality to it? Uh? There is,
but like you said, they throw they throw stuff in
there to kind of uh boil a pot, boil it up.
So no, I don't think it's all real. Okay, Um,
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do you guys want to know what the best and
most appropriate reality show you should all watch? There's more
than twenty five seasons of it and it applies to
life way more than anything else in the history of television.
Do you want us to guess? Or yeah? I think well,
I think the one that's been the longest that I
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know of. I think it's Survivor. Yeah. Now, now here's
what happened. Go ahead. I was going to guess the NFL,
but Survivor sounds um so, So here's the thing I watched.
When the first Survivor came out, they had that remember
they gave away that terrible pontiac SUV was just awful.
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I mean, just the worst looking hunk of clunk junk ever.
Okay um, and I forget the guy's name who won it, right,
But my issue with Survivor was I was like, man,
this ain't real. I thought they were all about going
like I thought Survivor was gonna be naked and afraid.
Like naked and afraid. Now that Survivor Survivor is, you know,
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it's about alliances and manipulating people and right, that's why
Survivor is a must watch. You want to make it
in business, watch Survivor. Learn lessons, and the number one
lesson you have to learn is it's the basic premise
of it's not what you know, but who you know.
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This world is about alliances. Get aligned with the best,
the smartest, the toughest, the ones that get aligned with
those people. If you're aligned with those people, you will
survive a lot, a lot longer than trying to go
it alone. I wish you could tell you that the
world is just about how talented you are. It ain't.
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It ain't. Talent is important, but who you know and
your connections with them are incredibly important. You know. Like
we we talked a lot last week about the Maria
Taylor thing right, Like you know, nobody else in the
media mentioned that. Basically what happened was Rachel Nichols had
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one boss like I named UH Connor Shell. Connor started
the jump, really liked how Rachel hosted shows. Connor Rachel
tied together. Connor Shell leaves the company. Okay, and there's
another woman named Stephanie Juley who previously ran College Game
Day and other stuff and who worked for her Maria Taylor.
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And so Maria Taylor gets the job there. Why because
alliances their aligned, they've worked together. That's the way it happens.
The same reason why did Kevin Love first get appointed
to UH Team USA was because of how well he
played this year. No, he'd been with USA Basketball since
he was fourteen years old. He was aligned with them.
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They gave him the first opportunity, even though his play
at this point in time in his career did not
warrant such an opportunity. It's about alliances. I could go
further into that. So what happened yesterday in college sports
as it got out from the Houston Chronicle that Texas
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and Oklahoma reaching out to the SEC. Hey, we might
want to switch alliances. We might want to go to
the SEC. Right now, there are some unintended consequences for Oklahoma,
most notably Oklahoma State and something I've told you guys
for a long time. At all my stops right, at
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all my stops, because it's been very much part and
I do think that the conference realignment, for the most
part is more of a media discussion and a super
college fan discussion than his mainstream discussion. But where it
applies here is all these things are right. All these
things are about alliances. Right. Chris Paul goes to Phoenix,
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why because he had trust with Money Williams. There's the relationship.
Chris Paul may opt out and go to l A.
Why because his best friend is Lebron James. I wish
I could tell you simply it's about l A and
the Lakers and that now it's because he's the boys
with Lebron James and he who gives me the best
chance to win that title. But I gotta go with
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somebody that I know. All this stuff is about alliances
and with alliances and trying to pull somebody over and
trying to get the best deal possible. And this is
also part of survivor. Is the magic Gordon business leverage, leverage.
You want a better deal, go out and get a
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better deal. I've worked at three companies. None of them, okay,
three of the three biggest media companies. None of them
are just gonna go like, hey, you know what you're
doing so great, We're gonna double your money. No, no, no,
we're gonna double your money. Why why not? You're awesome?
That's not the way the world works, right. You get
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a specific window where you can go shop your services.
You go shop your services, you get a deal above
the value of what you're currently making, and then you
go back to your place and one and go like, look,
I I'm making you know fifty over here, I can
make seventy five over there? Can you match it? Or
can you go above and beyond? Because it's a better opportunity.
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Texas is gonna be potentially a free agent here two
thou are they gonna leave the Big twelve? I have
no idea. I don't think they know. But what they
want to do is right now, they can shop, they
can chop. They've been at a financial advantage to everybody
in the conference. Are the only school in the conference
with their own TV network. They make they make and
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spend way more, almost twice as much as anybody else
in the league, and yet can't win a basketball can't
win in football. But they're building the news. They've they've
redone the stadium several times over. They're building a new
basketball arena, and they want to be aligned with the
best of the best of the best. And it does
make sense, right because you look at the college football
playoff and how it's going to evolve. The SEC is
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gonna get three teams. Now the Big twelve we'll get
one might get to They might get to and I
think it'd be a mistake. Right, You're better off being
the biggest fish in that pond and maybe making slightly
less on the TV revenue because you've got your own network.
But again, this is just them out there shopping. Doesn't
mean they're gonna leave, And if they leave, it doesn't
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mean they go to the SEC. They might be able
to go to Pack twelve. Why because the Pac Twelves
network is floundering, right, They desperately desperately need all of
those eyes of Texas. The US are ripple you. Right,
All of that said that, this is about alliances and leverage.
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That's the business is about don't get caught up in
the my school, your school, rivalry school, don't worry about that.
I wish it was also about kind of that that
you know, when when Missouri left, they left a rivalry
with Kansas in Kansas State that had spanned over a
hundred years. When Texas A and M left, they left
a rivalry that spanned over a hundred years, and they
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haven't played each other in football since. And and A
and M. Though financially they benefited greatly from it, they
actually they've been worse in basketball and worse in football,
or maybe they've been the same. That's who they are,
right Whereas with the exact same program, the exact same
personnel in basketball and football, they probably would have been
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a up the Big Twelve. To be totally candid, but
business is about alliances and leverage. That's it. That's all.
Are there some ties? Are there? The possibility of taxes
or leaving a Brethren school or you know, or leaving
your conference that would make make are those alliances so
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tight with the Big Twelve that maybe it pulls him back? Sure?
But that's all this is about. It's an exploratory Hey,
what would the world look like if we switched conferences.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Yeah,
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I saw this story. Now did he deleted lee? Is that?
Is that what happened? Um? He did delete it shortly
after putting this up. Okay, you want to you want
to read it a new Copkins said DeAndre Hopkins, Arizona
Cardinals wide receiver. Go ahead. I never thought I would
say this, but being put in a position hurt my
team because I don't want to partake in the vaccine
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is making me question my future in the NFL. Yeah,
you should really go talk to somebody nuke now Listen,
there's an added sensitivity to for for for black men,
especially because of the Tuskegee Was the Tuskegee Project? Is
that what it was called? Right? Um? We we should
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keep in mind that that was over a half century ago. Right,
It's a half century ago. And I just honestly, this
is the problem with the misinformation that was out there
for so long, is that you have people questioning like, well,
it's only approved for emergency used by the FDA, Like
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it's a you gotta take a breath. There's like, oh there,
there's there. There's been some adverse reactions to It's like
like we we report on the very the most minute numbers,
and we don't take we don't we don't educate people,
or we haven't to this point educated people on the
(23:10):
whole idea of the vaccine, right, Like, look, the whole
idea of the vaccine is if everybody gets vaccinated, it's
it's not going to stop COVID. But what it does
is it limits the potency and the spread ability of COVID. Additionally,
it hurts the virus's ability to metamorphosize into something else.
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And there's a reason that the rest of the world
is is asking for us to provide them their vaccines.
Are vaccines, I mean just this, like yeah, we we
we want some of that. Why because it works? Because
it works, and you look at the outbreaks and the
(23:55):
hospitalization and there's a very easy correlation between if you're
vaccine and if you're not vaccinated, and if the most
people in your area are vaccinated, if they're not vaccinated.
I was having a conversation with somebody the other day
and they were like, he's like, man, I'm not getting vaccinated.
He's like, but I gotta go get my tetnas shot,
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Like you'll get a tetnas shot, but you won't get
a vaccine to stop a global help stop a global pandemic.
Do you know how hypocritical that sounds? Um? I think
if DeAndre Hopkins talked to a doctor, not the team doctor,
his own position, he would have a different opinion. You know,
(24:39):
he would have to. And and it's the irony and
so many of these things where people that they don't understand.
It's like they said, well, my personal freedoms are where
I don't happen. You're right, your personal treams you don't
have to, but we can put limitters like the NFL has.
The NFL is basically punishing you if you don't get
vaccinated without punishing you for not getting vaccine. As they're doing,
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they're gonna make life so miserable for you. I got
test every day. I can't go outside the facility. I
go go straight home like I'm getting monitored, Like no thanks,
Or you could go get one J and J shot,
or go get two shots, you know, the murk or whatever.
This is not it's not that hard. But he threatened
Deevon to retire like classic classic Ross Dellinger joining us
(25:29):
on The Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
vaccines and conference realignment, which you want to start with, Uh,
why don't we just stick to vaccines? I guess? Um? Okay,
Washington State has a new head coach and he doesn't
wanted his clothes if he's had the vaccine, he won't
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go to media days, meaning he hasn't had the vaccine. Like,
how how do you think schools adjust as we get
closer to the season. Yeah, it's truly. Um, it's really
disappointing because you've got team leagues that are that are
trying to get their teams in their leagues fully vaccinated
(26:14):
or as close as they can U one for protection obviously,
but but too uh. And they're pretty blankant about this
to avoid in seasoned disruptions like we had last year
in UM. When you're trying to get a team ninety
plus percent vaccinated and your head coach won't get vaccinated,
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your leader refuses to do it, that's a problem. And
you can imagine there are a lot of administrators in
those leagues that are frustrated about it, you know, and
and Nick Rolovich isn't the only one. You know, Mississippi
States Mike Leach, who ironically was the last Washington State coach,
UM would not answer whether he was vaccinated or not.
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You can read into that what you might. And Brian Hartson,
the Auburn coach, actually uh seems to have suggested today
at media Day that he uh that he uh, you know,
saying things. I get the personal feeling, you know, Auburn
is not at the even the seventy mark. I think, Um,
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so there are issues on certain teams. Then and then, Doug,
you have a team like Alabama, UM, whose coach has
been vocal about getting the vaccine, has done commercials and
advertisements endorsing the vaccine, and whose team is nearly at
vaccinated Stug gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM.
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I get the sense though that by by the time
we get to September, they'll all be vaccinated, right like
it does. I don't know if you, I don't know,
have you seen the turn? But now Fox News has
gone from questioning the vaccine to pushing people to get vaccinated.
It feels like college sports is the next one to turn. Yeah,
(28:03):
I think that if I had to guess you know
the SEC to give your listen as a little information. Uh. So,
the SEC right now is I believe that six of
its fourteen teams are at or better vaccination rates. Uh.
And I think what you'll see happen is you'll have
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eleven or twelve of the fourteen teams to be at
that rate by kickoff. And I think most leagues will
probably be the same boat, where of their teams are
nine percent vaccinated or vaccinated. But you're we're gonna have
game disruptions because I'm convinced there's gonna be two or
three teams in each league that are gonna be below
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seventies or whatever, and they're gonna have outbreaks. But but
I agree, I think the vast majority by kickoff will
be vaccinated. But prepare yourself for some game to erruptions
this year. Um, Okay, what do you make of the
Texas Oklahoma story? Yeah, I'll be honest. I I'm pretty
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close to the SEC, and and that one just stunned me.
I was shocked when it came out. Oddly enough, I
was standing right next to Texas A and m athletic
director ross the York. Uh when it came out at
SEC Media days that here in Birminghame. Uh, and so
it was, it was, it was an interesting next couple
of hours. I'll make what I'm making of it is
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is uh, because of an expanded playoff, teams don't have
to win their conference now really or go undefeated to
get into a playoff. You could lose three games and
get into this expanded playoff potentially. So now what are
teams chasing like in Texas are in Oklahoma probably chasing money?
Um And the the SEC has a pretty big, bad
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new TV contract, and I think the super for a
conference is something that, um, we could see happening. And
maybe it's not only two teams that the SEC is after,
maybe the super conferences in sixteen team, maybe it's eighteen
or twenty two or whatever. But I think college sports
is changing for a lot of reasons. UM, and this
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is just another changes. You're gonna have another wave of realignment. UM.
So you you believe it happens. I don't know what
to believe. I think that it's very serious and I
think there's a very real possibility in it happening. However,
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politics are involved, like with everything Doug and in the
politics and Oklahoma and the politics and state of Texas
are some real things that maybe could slow it down.
And you have a conference member in the SEC Texas
A and M that is vehemently against it, and certainly
good front conference members to express their support, you know,
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get their support on their side. So there are obstacles. Yeah,
it's it's interesting because, um, when they last had conference realignment,
I was told that they wanted to add Clemson, they
wanted to add Georgia Tech and Georgia and South Carolina.
We're like, yeah, no, obviously they got Florida abound with them.
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And that's that's really the what what A and M.
That's the stance A and M would take, right, y'all
you need your votes. You get Missouri, you get uh,
South Carolina, you get Georgia, you get Florida, and now
you have your alliance to keep Texas out of the SEC.
Fair to say that that's what that's what limits Texas
ability get in the SEC. Maybe yeah. I will say
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this though, that and that was what you're referring to
as the old what they called the old Gentleman's agreement
among those schools. Uh, you know, and I think that
things have changed. At least that's time. I feel from
talking to people within the SEC, I am not convinced
that that Gentleman's agreement still exists. I'm not convinced that
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it's something that will be used. Um. But the SEC,
and in a lot of conferences, love when they make
a big decision like this, DOUG to have unanimous consent
across the board. And so I don't know that that
Gentleman's Agreement is is still really in existence. I don't
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know if that's going to be the thing that stops this.
I think more so it might be the political issues
in those states, especially Oklahoma. Man, it really does seem
like that's that's gonna be interesting to watch. Well, look,
I'll tell you something that that people don't know. Okay,
So what you're talking about is the idea if you
break take Oklahoma, you gotta take Oklahoma stay with you, right,
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which I mean, you know, potentially could happen whatever. Like Sotain,
I mean, school has lost a lot of money last year.
I know there's a couple of schools in the Big twelve.
They're not turning on their air conditioning at their arenas
or heaters at their arenas all year long, and it
saves them over a million dollars. Right, So if you
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go in the Midwest and you go to some of
these schools, they don't have their A C on because
it saves them a bunch of money. Like we think
they're just all rolling the money, and that really isn't
the case in the short term, No, not at all.
And and and that's what's been lost. You know, I
live in d c. And and you know you've talked
to me before about name image and likeness and in
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congressional hearings and such, and every time you hear a
lawmaker talk, they're just bashing the n c A in general.
And college sports were having so much money. Yes, the
top level college teams have a lot of money and
spend a lot of money. But man, there are the
vast majority, I would say a good eight don't really
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make a lot of money, and many of them lose money.
So yeah, it's it's a there's a that's the thing.
There's a separator right now. And this is what we're
seeing with the SEC probably you know, potentially being courted
by according Oklahoma and Texas, is there's a split not
just between the group of five and the Power five.
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They're just split between the Power five. Within the Power five,
you have the twenty or thirty teams that make a
lot of money and spend a lot of money, and
you have the right the next thirty or forty that
spend a lot of money and don't make a ton
of profit. Uh. And that's a real thing. Ross Salentre
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joining us on the dug Otlive Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, alright, taking that, taking that aside, Um,
I there is going to be football to be played.
How how quickly can Texas get back to I mean
one of the things is they've had a financial advantage
over that entire league. Send so those schools left, they
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probably had to win those schools were there, but maybe
even more so since they left, since all four schools left.
And yet they haven't won a Big twelve conference. They
haven't even played in a Big twelve Conference championship game.
How far away are they? Yeah? I mean brand new
coach right, starting to rebuild. Uh, I mean it is Texas.
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You should get recruits, right, you should get good players. Um,
within a couple of years, you should be at a
position where you'd win ten games out of the year.
But you start talking about coming to the SEC and
all of a sudden, winning center eleven games isn't so
easy even with good players. Uh, you know, to answer
your original question, I don't know how fast this this happens.
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As far as them playing in the SEC, they have
a grant, you know, grant than a right steal with
with the Big Twelve that they plan on not renewing.
But they have to pay a lot of money. I
think it's over seventy million dollars each. I'll believe Oklahoma
and Texas would have to pay to get out immediately.
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But you know you don't want lame duck schools in
your conference, the one one Big twelve. A d mentioned
that to me this morning, like, oh, we don't want
Texas and Oklahoma sticking around if they're gonna leave in
three four years. So heck, I guess it. Conceivably, if
you wrote a big check dog that could happen next year,
that would be nuts. That would be absolutely positively nuts. Ross,
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Thanks so much for joining us wild times in college sports. Uh,
we'll talk to you, we'll get close and clothes. We'll
actually have football being played thanks to me our guests already.
Thanks Doug, Ross is awesome. That so great for him
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