November 6, 2020 • 31 mins
Doug explains why there are some positive takeaways from the Packers win over the 49ers despite all the injuries for San Francisco. Former NFL Scout John Middlekauff joins the show to the preview the best games from week 9 in the NFL.
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I want to start with this. The Packers dominate the
uh the Niners last night. The Packers did win, did cover.
Uh they hit the over which was late bad kind
of beat. Sorry, I gave you Packers in the under
my bad Uh. That that's a one in one night
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for me. You guys can decide how you want to
count it against my numbers. We have our picks upcoming attimes.
Our picks uh to fifteen West Coast five, fifteen East
Coast five, College five pro those are upcoming. But I
I was on Cowherd Show earlier today and he's like,
I don't really know what to take from last night.
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And look, part of my takeaway is you're playing against
the depleted team and a big part of this year
in the NFL. Any year in the NFL, but this
year especially is are you healthy are you not? And
there are certain levels of health and injury which you
just can't be competitive. But we've we've done this thing
with the Packers where last year they were thirty and three,
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but they were kind of lucky right from that. Well,
look at all these kind of luck winds. You know,
they're thirteen and three. Um, they do have a loss
this year to the Vikings last week where they just
got bludgeoned by a solid running game. And they do
have a loss to Tampa Buccaneers. They had attend nothing
to lead. Uh, Rogers Thowes a pick six, and they
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just became kind of a house of cards that said,
there's six and two on the season. They're a game
up on the Bears in their division. Uh, they're not
assured of being in the playoffs, but they're in pretty
good shape. It should be pointed out the almighty NFC,
the almighty NFC has are you ready for this? Um?
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They have seven teams who have a positive plus minus
seven teams have a positive plus minus okay point differential,
and the Packers at six and two, who don't have
the best record, haven't they played one more game in
the Seahawks, They're a plus forty nine. Now the Buccaneers,
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who beat the Packers lost to the Saints, play m
again and the Packers course beat the Saints. They're a
plus eighty two. The Arizona Cardinals are a plus fifty seven,
and then the Green Bay Packers. So based upon point
and differential, they're the third best team in the NFC.
Based upon record, there's somewhere between the second and third
best team in the NFC, and we act like, ohho hum,
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they just took down the Niners. That was big for them.
It doesn't matter that the personnel isn't that good, or
that there wasn't a single player, single player on the
carre on the uh San Francisco forty Niners last night
who played against them in the NFC Championship game. That
style of offense had given them trouble. Additionally, we like
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to poopoo their um their offense. The Packers are six
points per game, the Buccaneers are seventh, The Saints are
the Seahawks like they're right in line to get to
another NFC championship game. They continue to accrue wins to
play possibly at home this year. And if you don't
think that's a difference maker when you get to the
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arctic temperatures, it absolutely is, absolutely is. And look, it's
fair to say that usually running the football and the
cold weather or in the windy weather or in the
stowy weather is better. And with with Aaron Jones they're better,
but they're still not a great running team. That's not
what they do best. It's Aaron Rodgers the vanta adeos
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that they do best. But if you live and play
in the snow every day, you're gonna be are at
it than the Saints, then uh, the Seahawks, then the Buccaneers.
If they can get the Buccaneers at home, Like we've
just done this, We've done this thing to where there's
nothing really the Packers can accomplish in the regular season
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that's gonna impress people. Well, what we learned last night.
They dominated him. Aaron Rodgers made throws and only Aaron
Rodgers can make. He sprinkled the ball around. They got
Aaron Jones back to get kind of getting healthy, and
as was their scheme, they want to get ahead and
then unleash the pass rush on you. I'm okay, if
we all point out that the Niners are depleted, that
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those aren't their starters, that they they got there, they
got they beat the j v okay, but you can
still see what a team looks like. Are they getting better?
Are they getting worse? How are they responding? You know,
how you play your first couple of drives is are
you ready to play? And keep in mind, there was
some talk that they wouldn't play last night because there
were some guys A. J. Dillon had the COVID thing.
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They had least some guys behind. So when you factor
it all together, you know, you factored all together, and
you're like, you know what, bag is a pretty good
football team. What do we learned last night? We learned
that they're pretty good football team, that they're resilience to
a lot of different things. That it isn't California that
gets them beat. It's teams are a good scheme and
really good personnel get them beat. That's what happened with
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the Chargers, That's what happened with the Niners. Going back
to last year, Like, you don't have to freak out
because they lost to the Vikings. They lost the games,
they didn't play well. They look they lost the game
to the Buccaneers. They come back the next week and
throttle uh throttle the next opponent, like everyone's everyone thinks
the Saints are pretty good. They beat the Saints handily.
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You know, they'll have the Jaguars, which is like another
week off, and then they're there. And then they start
to creep back in the divisional play like they're going
to lose at max four games. Max four get like,
they just don't have more losses on their schedule, and
so every win, even against a bad team is is
paramount for them. You know, they still have the Colts
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on the road. Uh, they have the Titans at home.
They got the Bears twice. But the Colts are a
great defense. The Titans are a really good football team.
You know, you look at their schedule and the most
they could potentially lose really is three and probably two.
You get to twelve and four this year, you're you're
playing at home once maybe twice. You get the thirteen
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and three like they were last year, and it's a
distinct possibility. Now you could be playing at home every game,
and that's what they want. And oh yeah, by the way,
that's what Aaron Rodgers said. They need to do at
the end of last year. Hey, we gotta get to
this place where we're playing this game against the Niners
at home. What we learned Dante Adams might be a
top five wide receiver. What we learned Aaron Rodgers is
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absolutely an elite quarterback. Aaron Jones is back healthy. And
they took care of business, and they looked sharp. They
looked ready to play. Not every game needs to be
some referendum on good player, bad payer, great team, bad team.
Sometimes it's just are they sharp? Did they get on
and off the field without getting injured? Did they look
ready to play? Did they look like messenge receipt based
upon how they played last week? And the answer was yes, yes, yes, yes.
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The biggest game of the weekend is Sunday's game. I
believe right, we all think that Denver in Atlanta, I'm
kidding to joke to trade minnister hidding Houston, Jacksonville. Okay,
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alright enough, alright, you get three of them, that's enough.
The Saints are taking on the Tampay Buccaneers. This the
second time that they're gonna face each other, and the
first time was Tom Brady's first game in a Tampay uniform.
It was in the Dome, albeit there were no no
fans there, and I'm sitting there and I'm I'm thinking
to myself, who's this game bigger for? Because it's the
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first time we're gonna They're gonna have Antonio Brown, right,
They're gonna have all their stud wide receivers like camp
Bas kind of loaded for this one. And the last
time around they didn't play that well. So common sense
would tell you. Common sense would tell you it's a
bigger game for Tampa Bay. I think if you asked
people without before I starting to to give you something
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to think about, most people go like, well, Tampa lost
to him last time. Tampa thinks of themselves as the
super Bowl team. They think about themselves like they're the
best team in the NFC. They have two losses on
the year. One of the one of the losses is
to a team in their division. You don't want to
follow a game behind the team because you lose to
Houston twice in your division. And if you look at
at Tampa, most of their wins, Carolina, Denver, UH Vegas,
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the Chargers, the Giants, those are all bad teams. And
you'd be right about all that. None, none of what
you would say there would would be wrong. But I
think it's pretty obvious this is a bigger game for
the Saints right now. The Saints are getting back. We
think they're getting back Michael Thomas, he was at practice today.
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I believe they'll have Drew Brees, who missed a couple
of days of practice with with some uh shoulder injury.
But the Saints kind of look they got beat by
the Raiders, all right. That was Monday night. First Monday
night game happens. They could beat by the Packers. Game
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wasn't as close to the final score, but they survived.
The Lions took him overtime to come back to beat
the Chargers. They survived Carolina win by three, and they
very much survived in overtime. The Chicago Bears, like there
hasn't been a flex. Their muscles were one of the
elite teams in the NFL. And you're not playing against
the best competition since Week one. Tell me when they've
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been crazy impressive. Now, it would be fair to say, a,
you don't have your best player, and that's Michael Thomas,
you're not gonna look the same. That's fair. And Kamara
has been banged up, he's supposed to be back healthy
like all of that stuff. I'm I'm not taking away
at all from that argument. You don't have Michael Thomas,
who leads the league in catches. You take him out
of the football field, it's gonna be not the same team. Okay,
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the Packers aren't the same with that, Davante Adams, we like,
we can go through every team. You take away their
best skill position Blair outside of quick, and you take
away the quarterback. But you know, then Drew Brees played
all these games. Now, you take on Tampa on the road.
It's not in bad weather, but it is in open
air where breeze isn't as good. And you take on
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a team with a tremendous, tremendous defensive line, tremendous front seven,
and a team that can score points and one that
has reason to be ticked off and want to beat you.
Like to me, I kind of think this is a
bigger game for the Saints, And I don't think it's
crazy to say so, like the Saints, Like the Saints
are one of these teams where I know they've been
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viable playoff teams, but like, all right, yeah they lost
to the Rams, but they lost at home. Yeah, they
lost last year to the Vikings at home. They lost
to the Vikings the year before, two years, three years
ago on the crazy miracle in Minneapolis. But I don't
this like feels like it's their last chance with breeze.
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Every I think everybody feels like it's the last chance
of Breeze. And then they got to play at home
if they want any shot. And the only way of
playing at home they got any shot is to win
their division. And the only way they win their division
is they sweep Tampa. And you can't sweep Tampa nless
you win Sunday. Brady is not young, and his arm
might not be the same, but it has an amazing elasticity,
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and he shown the Billy to win in terrible weather,
terrible weather. We we don't have any proof that Thatrew
Brees can go on the road in Green Bay, can
go on the road in Philadelphia, potentially in Seattle. You know,
and I told you last week, last Friday, I did
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a segment on two quarterbacks win or lose, how they
play in these Lamar Jackson, what was the answer? And
Drew Brees Drew's team one. But it wasn't because of Drew.
You know, he didn't kill him, but it wasn't like
he was tearing him up, didn't that. Michael Thomas, I
know that's different. I understand that. And Lamar Jackson not
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good enough. There are some good things, but not good
enough and and and oh yeah, by the way, both
of them have an opportunity to redeem themselves this week
against good defenses, good teams. Now, I've also said this that, like,
if drew shoulder really isn't sound, I wouldn't. I would
completely before seeing Jamis Winston this weekend, And you ask yourself,
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why would you do that? You know there's no quarterback
controversy with the Saints. Johnathanville made it out like there'd
be a quarterback conference, Like, no, they wouldn't. Like this
is what Denver did in order to get themselves, whether
it was the rest Peyton, whether it was really hurt whatever,
as they played brock Oswilder a bunch he had started
and Peyton was hurt there's no reason you can't rest
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Drew Brees, especially with what's the weakness to the Tampa
Bay's defense the back end. But you can't get to
that back end with Drew Brees, who can't throw the
ball downfield. You can with James Winson. So I don't
think it's a crazy idea if his shoulder really is hurt,
or if he's not playing well, like, let Jameis go
in there, let's see what he's got. But this is
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a big game for the Saints. They have to win
this division, they want any chance to get to Super Bowl.
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I look at this weekend the National Football League, and
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without giving away some of my picks, I think there's
fascinating games. We mentioned Tennessee and Buffalo, see, but Tennessee
in Chicago. I think Seattle and Buffalo is going to
be very very interesting. UM, and then obviously New Orleans
and Tampa. You get a chance to see Ta and uh,
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to a going against Arizona, so you have two elite
young quarterbacks. And again, this is kind of the I
don't have to see to win the game or lose
a game to try and have some sort of takeaway.
But my takeaway from last week is there wasn't a
lot there. They're like, give me a It's like going
to hear a band and you may not like their
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sound there. You may not like their songs, but you
might like their sound. You may not like their lead singer,
but man, the guitarist has something. It's watching Miami play.
I'm like you, I don't know if they got it.
I don't know if he's got it, don't. I just
I don't know. I'm not feeling of he's got it. Um.
By the way, I think this is a kind of
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sneaky under the radar game is Baltimore Indie. It's like
a lot of fans I don't know if they've come
around to how good Indies defense is. And that's really
the strength of this team. And there's some similarities in
their defense. And it's hard because you know, look, they
lost to the Jaguars to start the season, but you
can almost throw out those Week one games like the
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Week one. The Week one games are it's not even
extended preseason. It was their preseason. I look at Indie
and in Baltimore, and we're gonna have to keep an
eye on this Lamar Jackson thing because he has not
been good throwing the football and and it's been especially
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Let me start with last night. Calhard says he can't
learn much from it. I think he can because they
came out sharp, They spread the ball around. Aaron Jones
is healthy, Davante Adams is a freak, and they looked
focused against a style of football that has given them trouble. Granted,
the personnel of the Niners is not the type that
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really challenges them. Did you have takeaways from last night's game? Yeah?
I would tend to agree with Colin because, well, I
think different about Aaron Rodgers, like I've already seen him
this year. They have a Super Bowl offense like that
the guy last year. We I think we all kind
of agreed they're offense. Something was off this year. When
Aaron Jones is healthy, Davante Adams healthy, and this version
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of Aaron Rodgers, like his comfortable, how comfortable he is
in his offense, you can win the whole thing. But
what I did not learn is their defense. I mean
the Niners that they're down to like their fifth string
running back and the one big issue Green Bay has
and I think Seattle has this too, and you saw
two weeks ago. I don't know how much I can
take away from against the Niners. Now they get Jamal
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Adams back, the Packers don't have a guy to bring back.
They're not physical enough. And when they play the Saints
who have Kamorrow, when obviously they played Tampa who despite
you know, having a bunch of weapons outside that they
can kind of ram it down your throat and they
play physical defense. Like the physical teams that I think
we'd all agree over the last decade have been what
Aaron Rodgers ran into in the playoffs where there was
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a Harbor Niners. You know a couple of years ago
one Seattle team when they didn't score touchdowns. That's a
little on Mike McCarthy. Uh last year with the Niners
shoving them around, and you just can't really fix that. Now,
could he just go on an all time heater and
they just outscore people in the playoffs? I think we
have to come to grips. Was like, that might be
possible with this group. Do you think they made a
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mistake not overspending on a wide receiver? Uh? I I
agreed would take in Jordan's love because I think the
version of Aaron Rodgers we saw last year was like
I thought he was kind of trending the other way.
Now information that you know, if you were betting on
him trending that way, you would have gone like that
was the right move. Then he turns back into like
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five years ago Aaron Rodgers and now you're like, oh,
like you have a quarterback who's not even your backup quarterback.
You have this running back in the second round that
obviously he's got Corona and it's not helping you out.
I think you just, God, could you have added a
linebacker and a wide receiver with those two picks like that?
To me, knowing what Aaron Rodgers is this year, I
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think we'd all have to say they would change their
plans right now. It's easy to say hindsight and Monday
Morning quarterback because I thought they made the right decision.
It's just God. I mean, when you have an m
v P level player, if you just surrounded him, if
you just hit on one of those two picks right
of just a linebacker and maybe just a functional pass catcher,
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tight end or you know, wide receiver who knows like
they might be the favorite. Yeah, I mean it's it's
a hard one. I mean, I think in the on
the value side, you're getting more value out of um,
You're getting more value out of having Jordan's love, right
like Jordan loves. Value will probably in theory it doesn't
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go down, It only goes up because the worst case scenario,
you can move off him in the next two years
for a first round draft pick and kind of get
it back and and and do the do over because
somebody's gonna need a quarterback, and somebody evaluated and said, well,
you know, two years of working for him and we
haven't seen him, so we don't know just how bad
it actually is. Right, But that's again in theory, whereas
you know, during those two years, if you've got a
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player who was a difference maker, is it is it
worth it? And that's again, that's an organizational decision which
they're gonna they're gonna have to live with. Let's let's
let's get to the Niners. You and I have been
kind of lockstep in this with the Garoppo low thing.
But with them falling apart without Garoppolo, does it make
it any more likely that he will return next year
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for the Niners as their quarterback. Yeah. I think last
night definitely helped. And I would imagine the rest of
the season won't look that great either, so that that
will also help his case. He's got one thing going
for him. He's on a pretty cheap, team friendly contract.
Did they control so when this offseason hits like Matt
Ryan and Kirk Cousins are not available, like those teams
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are not trading players. When the Caps going down for
enormous dead caps and Kyle Shanahan has proven they haven't
really signed crazy deals. Why why would he want a
thirty five million dollar contract with one of those guys
when he has Jimmy for way cheaper. Now, maybe I'm wrong,
and maybe he does. I think that would be a
terrible move, but let's just say he's not going to
do that. Who are the options to really upgrade with
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an NFL The guy that's already in the league, probably
Sam Donald, but that would that would come down and
I don't know what you know, Uh, Kyle thinks of him,
very evaluation of Sam Donald really more coming out than
his time in the NFL, because time in the NFL
hasn't been great, so that Jimmy has that going for him.
And then if you're gonna do that, you would just
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keep Jimmy on the roster and draft a guy like
to me, that's the most likely scenario that they kind
of pull an Alex Smith type move. And as we
see with Aaron Rodgers that the thing with Patrick Mahomes
is he was so good and you could see in
that week's seventeen game they were just like, Okay, well
what are we doing? And then Alex lost in the playoffs.
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But if Jimmy, if they drafted let's say the b
y U kid in the first round and next year Jimmy,
they make a run and Jimmy is really good. Well,
you can snow play it. You're you're not in a
huge rush. That to me is probably the safest move.
Then the trade for one of these older guys, like Listen,
I respect Matt Ryan. I think he's had a great career.
I think he's trending down dramatically. And and the Vikings
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people forget this when they keep throwing out all the
Vikings suck though. They just gave him a contract extant,
so they the owner just cut him a large amount
of money that he pays him basically over a twelve
month period. He's gonna pay him sixty seventy million dollars
and then just trade him. And you know, the Diners
aren't gonna want to give up some high picks. So
he was like, I'm just gonna pay this guy sixty
five million dollars over twelve months, an extension over the
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money I've already paid him, and then I'm gonna give
him the Diners for a third round pick like that's
just bad business. I think Kirk cousins a lot to
be on that team next year, to be on the Vikings. Yes, yes,
they What they did was they've moved a bunch of
money around because they're in capell otherwise. And you're not
gonna upset that when you have you have cost certainty
with him. You know where that is. That's for the
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next two years. And he's really like when you watch him,
I mean, he has some bad moments, but he's not
their problems. They can win with him. Yeah, he's fine,
he's fine. So he's the same as he's always been, right,
he's he's not elite quarterback, but he's he's fine. He's
he's he's And that's where hopefully John Lynch would have
a little more power now and if Kyle is still
in love with the guy, could just talk him out
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of it, which I look Donald possibly becomes on the market.
I think there's some other guys that will be on
the market, which if you know the problem, you know
the problem with Donald Doug. If he's in year three,
that means going into your four quarterback and you gotta
pick up a fifth year option. Well, it's like that
fifth year option is really expensive. If they wanted to
trade him after a year two, I think it would
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be a much easier view. I think it's a little
more complicated than just the way everyone talks about it,
you know, I mean I don't, I don't know. I
mean I think everyone he's gonna go for a first
round pick. I pumped the brakes on that. I mean,
he's been hurt now again, his films not great. It's
not all his fault. But you'd basically be just be
trading based on three years ago. And let's face it,
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a lot changes, you know, once you come into the league.
Here's what I'll push back though, Okay, and from his
first start until now, just about every game you watch,
there's a there's a wild play, there's a okay, man,
this this guy's got something, right. I use that in
comparison to toa I know they won, I know Aaron
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Donald is a monster, right, So you want to and
the kids, coming off a devastating injury, you just wanted
to get rid of the football quick. I just I
didn't see any wow play. There wasn't a I mean
you you, I know you you guys. You and guy
love to talk on your other pod about about golf
and gamble. On golf, you know, there's usually that one
shot you hit on a when you play a team
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with a buddy, there's that one shot that keeps you
coming back right. And I just didn't see that from
two him. I'm missing something. Yeah, to me, if we
use the golf analogy, if like Herbert and Borrow, or
are these guys like you know, bryceon d Shambo and
Rory McElroy, He's really more like a guy that's hits
the two and or seventy yards off the tea and
when you do that, you're margin for error. Like he's
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not that big, it's got a little now. He's i think,
a much more mature in People that I knew at
Alabama love the guy. So I'm not comparing the personality
to Baker Mayfield because he is not gonna say anything dumb.
He's not people are gonna like him. But the thing
you see with Baker and you see it with Toua,
like his physical attributes. Once you get to the NFL
and you know the NBA drafts right around the corner,
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we always talk about these guys like with high ceilings
and then like guys with like, you know, they don't
have a high ceiling, but they have a high floor. Well,
the problem is you never truly know until you actually
see them with the other players, and then you pretty
quickly know you're like, uh, yeah, this guy is gonna
be limited. Now, we once said that about Drew Brees.
He was just elite right, accuracy, the offense was perfect form.
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He got the perfect head coach. And again his accuracy
and just his timing and and just understanding of how
to run the offense is probably as good as it gets.
Like to me, that too has to be that And
you know, for a guy that's already been injured and
the story is already out, like they might have a
top five or six pick with the Houston Texans pick,
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what if they do have the chance to get just
even trade off a couple of spots to get an
elite guy they just saw like Arizona just kind of
gave the blueprint. Now, I think two is probably better
than Rosen's and much more and much and much more likable.
But yes, I yeah, but but I do think that
that that did show like the worst thing you can
do in the NFL, right is draft high and pick
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the wrong quarterback or a guy that you're not, you know,
dead set on. It does leave in limbo for a
couple of years. Well. And also it's like the Yannick
and Gowa moved by the Vikings though, right, it's like
the you gotta sometimes admit when you made a mistake
when some doesn't fit. That's that's I think the big
that's to me, the big ones, Like I don't know
if this is why the Cowboys gave him ARII Cooper
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that big of a contract, but it's almost like they
wanted to prove like, no, we knew what we were
doing all along, we we we we didn't first round
pick and given a big contract. No, no no, we love him.
He's awesome. And right that that's to me, the mistake
that people make, it's not just a mistake, it's doubling
down on the mistakes so they don't admit that they
were wrong. And that's where I think, if you're in
that room, the tough spot would be because I think
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it would be easy to say, well, we got four picks,
and we got two in the first, two in the second,
or whatever they have to potentially I think like four
top fifty picks, what if we take two wide receivers
and two offensive niemen and helps stack the deck for
the kid. And then, because that's not crazy, you just
took the kid fifth. Let's just put a suite offensive
drafting marchase, you know, draft another sweet wide receiver and
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draft the top offensive lineman right a garden a and
a and a tackle, and then we'll just we just
drafted the tackle this year. Then our offense is sweet.
And then all of a sudden, you you do that,
which isn't crazy. You just took a guy fifth, and
then you realize midway through the next season, you're like, wow,
we like all these guys, but I don't. We don't
love the quarterback. And then you're kind of stuck. And
that's where I think these next really the next two months,
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because the team is kind of in playoff contention. But
if he can just get them eight and eight, nine
and seven and have one thing, the bar is not now,
Like you can't just cruise the hunter and twenty yard
passing games in this league. Like he needs to prove
that he can have some explosive passing games because these
the other two kids are doing that. I mean, Borrows
team stinks perfect team is better, but his eye test
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is just incredible. I I think there to me, my
educated guest, is the owner saw those two guys. It
was like listening, guys, if we think too was healthy,
he's got a play. I mean, let's let's see what
this kid has. Yeah that that that that sounds about right,
and you want to do out the buye week. And
I wouldn't even blame the owner. I mean just like, well,
I'm watching these two guys you keep dressing to us,
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would be one thing if Tool wasn't sweat with with
the hip injury, but he was healthy. I will tell you,
I will. I will tell you also that the owner,
like there's there's different types of owners. Stephen Ross is
super super engaged in their player acquisition. I know that.
I side, um, I've heard I've heard that too. Yeah,
like he like he he saturdays, he watches college football
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the entire time. Supposedly he's the reason they went and
got jakeem Grant in the sixth round. I think because
he was watching Texas Tech late one night. He loved
he loved Big twelve football, and he was like, who's this.
He called Mike Tannebaum and told him to told him
to draft Jachim Grant because he's got he's got crazy speed,
which he does have crazy speed, does have crazy anyway. Uh,
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John mitelcoff our guest and the Doug Gotlips a Fox
Sports Radio. I feel like this is a chance for
Lamar to redeem himself. And it's kind of a sneaky
good game because the Colts defense is so good and
I'm not sure if America has paid attention to it.
I had a coach tell me that they played the
Colts this year. He thought they were one of the
best friend sevens he's seen in years. So the physicality there,
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you're not just gonna be able to run around, which
last week when you look at the box score, I
mean they were very, very productive on the ground. They
lost the game because he couldn't grow. So if they
can't run the ball like they did last week, I
think they were well over two hundred yards. Uh, it's
gonna put a lot of pressure on him. And I
saw the Twitter video that you had, I thought it
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was great about Lamar Jackson. Like listen, we can be
critical of his passing, but every time he gets on
the microphone, the way the team responds to him, he
really has been impressive. I mean his off the field
has been an a plus. It's just really the only
knock on him. It's just the passing game, which not
just the passing game, because when they kill full like
non Steeler teams, and they're winning some of these games
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like forty to ten, it's easy for him, right because
they're running if they're passing it. And then when they
get in these tight games and he gets down or
when the game's tight, it's like just that third nine
pass sales or he just takes a sack, or he
just takes off and gets tackled. That to me is
and back when I was with the Eagles, I saw it,
and I don't blame a running quarterback with Michael Vick.
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Like at the end of the day, instead of going
Drew Brees or Tom Brady or even like what Burrow
and Herbert are doing, they just leaned the pass. You go, well,
I can run for it because my legs are so
elite and against the best teams the fastest seasons is
you notice Doug he's gotten back to where he drops
his eyes. Yeah, they've never been faster in the NFL,
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so they might not be lamar fast. But they they're
already taking good they take good angles. It's just hard
for him to do it. And I'm with you that
the eye dropping. He's not scrambling to throw now, he's
scrambling to run. And so I put some of it
on the on the coach. I mean, they just they
just get so enamored with running that like triple options
thing they do, and it just you gotta practice the
past to be good at the past. Yeah, but if
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we remember it's it's interesting when Greg Rohame was in
San Francisco, well maybe maybe ye, yeah, right, but midyear
Kaepernick replaced Alex Smith. That took off. The second year,
which would have been like last year when he was pete,
Kaepernick was seen as an elite quarterback, and then the
third year they were eight and eight, and it was well,
Kaepernick's got small hands, he can't roll to his left.
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It was about his shortcomings. When some of it also
was about the shortcomings and the lack of ability to
evolve the offense. Right, So, which we're seeing some of that,
some of that with Baltimore. Um, all right, next week
is Masters week. Maybe we'll have you on before Friday.
Maybe we won't. In the meantime, stay safe up there.
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I want to start with this. The Packers dominate the
uh the Niners last night. The Packers did win, did cover.
Uh they hit the over which was late bad kind
of beat. Sorry, I gave you Packers in the under
my bad Uh. That that's a one in one night
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for me. You guys can decide how you want to
count it against my numbers. We have our picks upcoming attimes.
Our picks uh to fifteen West Coast five, fifteen East
Coast five, College five pro those are upcoming. But I
I was on Cowherd Show earlier today and he's like,
I don't really know what to take from last night.
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And look, part of my takeaway is you're playing against
the depleted team and a big part of this year
in the NFL. Any year in the NFL, but this
year especially is are you healthy are you not? And
there are certain levels of health and injury which you
just can't be competitive. But we've we've done this thing
with the Packers where last year they were thirty and three,
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but they were kind of lucky right from that. Well,
look at all these kind of luck winds. You know,
they're thirteen and three. Um, they do have a loss
this year to the Vikings last week where they just
got bludgeoned by a solid running game. And they do
have a loss to Tampa Buccaneers. They had attend nothing
to lead. Uh, Rogers Thowes a pick six, and they
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just became kind of a house of cards that said,
there's six and two on the season. They're a game
up on the Bears in their division. Uh, they're not
assured of being in the playoffs, but they're in pretty
good shape. It should be pointed out the almighty NFC,
the almighty NFC has are you ready for this? Um?
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They have seven teams who have a positive plus minus
seven teams have a positive plus minus okay point differential,
and the Packers at six and two, who don't have
the best record, haven't they played one more game in
the Seahawks, They're a plus forty nine. Now the Buccaneers,
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who beat the Packers lost to the Saints, play m
again and the Packers course beat the Saints. They're a
plus eighty two. The Arizona Cardinals are a plus fifty seven,
and then the Green Bay Packers. So based upon point
and differential, they're the third best team in the NFC.
Based upon record, there's somewhere between the second and third
best team in the NFC, and we act like, ohho hum,
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they just took down the Niners. That was big for them.
It doesn't matter that the personnel isn't that good, or
that there wasn't a single player, single player on the
carre on the uh San Francisco forty Niners last night
who played against them in the NFC Championship game. That
style of offense had given them trouble. Additionally, we like
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to poopoo their um their offense. The Packers are six
points per game, the Buccaneers are seventh, The Saints are
the Seahawks like they're right in line to get to
another NFC championship game. They continue to accrue wins to
play possibly at home this year. And if you don't
think that's a difference maker when you get to the
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arctic temperatures, it absolutely is, absolutely is. And look, it's
fair to say that usually running the football and the
cold weather or in the windy weather or in the
stowy weather is better. And with with Aaron Jones they're better,
but they're still not a great running team. That's not
what they do best. It's Aaron Rodgers the vanta adeos
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that they do best. But if you live and play
in the snow every day, you're gonna be are at
it than the Saints, then uh, the Seahawks, then the Buccaneers.
If they can get the Buccaneers at home, Like we've
just done this, We've done this thing to where there's
nothing really the Packers can accomplish in the regular season
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that's gonna impress people. Well, what we learned last night.
They dominated him. Aaron Rodgers made throws and only Aaron
Rodgers can make. He sprinkled the ball around. They got
Aaron Jones back to get kind of getting healthy, and
as was their scheme, they want to get ahead and
then unleash the pass rush on you. I'm okay, if
we all point out that the Niners are depleted, that
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those aren't their starters, that they they got there, they
got they beat the j v okay, but you can
still see what a team looks like. Are they getting better?
Are they getting worse? How are they responding? You know,
how you play your first couple of drives is are
you ready to play? And keep in mind, there was
some talk that they wouldn't play last night because there
were some guys A. J. Dillon had the COVID thing.
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They had least some guys behind. So when you factor
it all together, you know, you factored all together, and
you're like, you know what, bag is a pretty good
football team. What do we learned last night? We learned
that they're pretty good football team, that they're resilience to
a lot of different things. That it isn't California that
gets them beat. It's teams are a good scheme and
really good personnel get them beat. That's what happened with
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the Chargers, That's what happened with the Niners. Going back
to last year, Like, you don't have to freak out
because they lost to the Vikings. They lost the games,
they didn't play well. They look they lost the game
to the Buccaneers. They come back the next week and
throttle uh throttle the next opponent, like everyone's everyone thinks
the Saints are pretty good. They beat the Saints handily.
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You know, they'll have the Jaguars, which is like another
week off, and then they're there. And then they start
to creep back in the divisional play like they're going
to lose at max four games. Max four get like,
they just don't have more losses on their schedule, and
so every win, even against a bad team is is
paramount for them. You know, they still have the Colts
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on the road. Uh, they have the Titans at home.
They got the Bears twice. But the Colts are a
great defense. The Titans are a really good football team.
You know, you look at their schedule and the most
they could potentially lose really is three and probably two.
You get to twelve and four this year, you're you're
playing at home once maybe twice. You get the thirteen
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and three like they were last year, and it's a
distinct possibility. Now you could be playing at home every game,
and that's what they want. And oh yeah, by the way,
that's what Aaron Rodgers said. They need to do at
the end of last year. Hey, we gotta get to
this place where we're playing this game against the Niners
at home. What we learned Dante Adams might be a
top five wide receiver. What we learned Aaron Rodgers is
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absolutely an elite quarterback. Aaron Jones is back healthy. And
they took care of business, and they looked sharp. They
looked ready to play. Not every game needs to be
some referendum on good player, bad payer, great team, bad team.
Sometimes it's just are they sharp? Did they get on
and off the field without getting injured? Did they look
ready to play? Did they look like messenge receipt based
upon how they played last week? And the answer was yes, yes, yes, yes.
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The biggest game of the weekend is Sunday's game. I
believe right, we all think that Denver in Atlanta, I'm
kidding to joke to trade minnister hidding Houston, Jacksonville. Okay,
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alright enough, alright, you get three of them, that's enough.
The Saints are taking on the Tampay Buccaneers. This the
second time that they're gonna face each other, and the
first time was Tom Brady's first game in a Tampay uniform.
It was in the Dome, albeit there were no no
fans there, and I'm sitting there and I'm I'm thinking
to myself, who's this game bigger for? Because it's the
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first time we're gonna They're gonna have Antonio Brown, right,
They're gonna have all their stud wide receivers like camp
Bas kind of loaded for this one. And the last
time around they didn't play that well. So common sense
would tell you. Common sense would tell you it's a
bigger game for Tampa Bay. I think if you asked
people without before I starting to to give you something
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to think about, most people go like, well, Tampa lost
to him last time. Tampa thinks of themselves as the
super Bowl team. They think about themselves like they're the
best team in the NFC. They have two losses on
the year. One of the one of the losses is
to a team in their division. You don't want to
follow a game behind the team because you lose to
Houston twice in your division. And if you look at
at Tampa, most of their wins, Carolina, Denver, UH Vegas,
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the Chargers, the Giants, those are all bad teams. And
you'd be right about all that. None, none of what
you would say there would would be wrong. But I
think it's pretty obvious this is a bigger game for
the Saints right now. The Saints are getting back. We
think they're getting back Michael Thomas, he was at practice today.
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I believe they'll have Drew Brees, who missed a couple
of days of practice with with some uh shoulder injury.
But the Saints kind of look they got beat by
the Raiders, all right. That was Monday night. First Monday
night game happens. They could beat by the Packers. Game
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wasn't as close to the final score, but they survived.
The Lions took him overtime to come back to beat
the Chargers. They survived Carolina win by three, and they
very much survived in overtime. The Chicago Bears, like there
hasn't been a flex. Their muscles were one of the
elite teams in the NFL. And you're not playing against
the best competition since Week one. Tell me when they've
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been crazy impressive. Now, it would be fair to say, a,
you don't have your best player, and that's Michael Thomas,
you're not gonna look the same. That's fair. And Kamara
has been banged up, he's supposed to be back healthy
like all of that stuff. I'm I'm not taking away
at all from that argument. You don't have Michael Thomas,
who leads the league in catches. You take him out
of the football field, it's gonna be not the same team. Okay,
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the Packers aren't the same with that, Davante Adams, we like,
we can go through every team. You take away their
best skill position Blair outside of quick, and you take
away the quarterback. But you know, then Drew Brees played
all these games. Now, you take on Tampa on the road.
It's not in bad weather, but it is in open
air where breeze isn't as good. And you take on
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a team with a tremendous, tremendous defensive line, tremendous front seven,
and a team that can score points and one that
has reason to be ticked off and want to beat you.
Like to me, I kind of think this is a
bigger game for the Saints, And I don't think it's
crazy to say so, like the Saints, Like the Saints
are one of these teams where I know they've been
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viable playoff teams, but like, all right, yeah they lost
to the Rams, but they lost at home. Yeah, they
lost last year to the Vikings at home. They lost
to the Vikings the year before, two years, three years
ago on the crazy miracle in Minneapolis. But I don't
this like feels like it's their last chance with breeze.
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Every I think everybody feels like it's the last chance
of Breeze. And then they got to play at home
if they want any shot. And the only way of
playing at home they got any shot is to win
their division. And the only way they win their division
is they sweep Tampa. And you can't sweep Tampa nless
you win Sunday. Brady is not young, and his arm
might not be the same, but it has an amazing elasticity,
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and he shown the Billy to win in terrible weather,
terrible weather. We we don't have any proof that Thatrew
Brees can go on the road in Green Bay, can
go on the road in Philadelphia, potentially in Seattle. You know,
and I told you last week, last Friday, I did
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a segment on two quarterbacks win or lose, how they
play in these Lamar Jackson, what was the answer? And
Drew Brees Drew's team one. But it wasn't because of Drew.
You know, he didn't kill him, but it wasn't like
he was tearing him up, didn't that. Michael Thomas, I
know that's different. I understand that. And Lamar Jackson not
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good enough. There are some good things, but not good
enough and and and oh yeah, by the way, both
of them have an opportunity to redeem themselves this week
against good defenses, good teams. Now, I've also said this that, like,
if drew shoulder really isn't sound, I wouldn't. I would
completely before seeing Jamis Winston this weekend, And you ask yourself,
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why would you do that? You know there's no quarterback
controversy with the Saints. Johnathanville made it out like there'd
be a quarterback conference, Like, no, they wouldn't. Like this
is what Denver did in order to get themselves, whether
it was the rest Peyton, whether it was really hurt whatever,
as they played brock Oswilder a bunch he had started
and Peyton was hurt there's no reason you can't rest
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Drew Brees, especially with what's the weakness to the Tampa
Bay's defense the back end. But you can't get to
that back end with Drew Brees, who can't throw the
ball downfield. You can with James Winson. So I don't
think it's a crazy idea if his shoulder really is hurt,
or if he's not playing well, like, let Jameis go
in there, let's see what he's got. But this is
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a big game for the Saints. They have to win
this division, they want any chance to get to Super Bowl.
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I look at this weekend the National Football League, and
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without giving away some of my picks, I think there's
fascinating games. We mentioned Tennessee and Buffalo, see, but Tennessee
in Chicago. I think Seattle and Buffalo is going to
be very very interesting. UM, and then obviously New Orleans
and Tampa. You get a chance to see Ta and uh,
(14:24):
to a going against Arizona, so you have two elite
young quarterbacks. And again, this is kind of the I
don't have to see to win the game or lose
a game to try and have some sort of takeaway.
But my takeaway from last week is there wasn't a
lot there. They're like, give me a It's like going
to hear a band and you may not like their
(14:44):
sound there. You may not like their songs, but you
might like their sound. You may not like their lead singer,
but man, the guitarist has something. It's watching Miami play.
I'm like you, I don't know if they got it.
I don't know if he's got it, don't. I just
I don't know. I'm not feeling of he's got it. Um.
By the way, I think this is a kind of
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sneaky under the radar game is Baltimore Indie. It's like
a lot of fans I don't know if they've come
around to how good Indies defense is. And that's really
the strength of this team. And there's some similarities in
their defense. And it's hard because you know, look, they
lost to the Jaguars to start the season, but you
can almost throw out those Week one games like the
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Week one. The Week one games are it's not even
extended preseason. It was their preseason. I look at Indie
and in Baltimore, and we're gonna have to keep an
eye on this Lamar Jackson thing because he has not
been good throwing the football and and it's been especially
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Let me start with last night. Calhard says he can't
learn much from it. I think he can because they
came out sharp, They spread the ball around. Aaron Jones
is healthy, Davante Adams is a freak, and they looked
focused against a style of football that has given them trouble. Granted,
the personnel of the Niners is not the type that
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really challenges them. Did you have takeaways from last night's game? Yeah?
I would tend to agree with Colin because, well, I
think different about Aaron Rodgers, like I've already seen him
this year. They have a Super Bowl offense like that
the guy last year. We I think we all kind
of agreed they're offense. Something was off this year. When
Aaron Jones is healthy, Davante Adams healthy, and this version
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of Aaron Rodgers, like his comfortable, how comfortable he is
in his offense, you can win the whole thing. But
what I did not learn is their defense. I mean
the Niners that they're down to like their fifth string
running back and the one big issue Green Bay has
and I think Seattle has this too, and you saw
two weeks ago. I don't know how much I can
take away from against the Niners. Now they get Jamal
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Adams back, the Packers don't have a guy to bring back.
They're not physical enough. And when they play the Saints
who have Kamorrow, when obviously they played Tampa who despite
you know, having a bunch of weapons outside that they
can kind of ram it down your throat and they
play physical defense. Like the physical teams that I think
we'd all agree over the last decade have been what
Aaron Rodgers ran into in the playoffs where there was
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a Harbor Niners. You know a couple of years ago
one Seattle team when they didn't score touchdowns. That's a
little on Mike McCarthy. Uh last year with the Niners
shoving them around, and you just can't really fix that. Now,
could he just go on an all time heater and
they just outscore people in the playoffs? I think we
have to come to grips. Was like, that might be
possible with this group. Do you think they made a
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mistake not overspending on a wide receiver? Uh? I I
agreed would take in Jordan's love because I think the
version of Aaron Rodgers we saw last year was like
I thought he was kind of trending the other way.
Now information that you know, if you were betting on
him trending that way, you would have gone like that
was the right move. Then he turns back into like
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five years ago Aaron Rodgers and now you're like, oh,
like you have a quarterback who's not even your backup quarterback.
You have this running back in the second round that
obviously he's got Corona and it's not helping you out.
I think you just, God, could you have added a
linebacker and a wide receiver with those two picks like that?
To me, knowing what Aaron Rodgers is this year, I
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think we'd all have to say they would change their
plans right now. It's easy to say hindsight and Monday
Morning quarterback because I thought they made the right decision.
It's just God. I mean, when you have an m
v P level player, if you just surrounded him, if
you just hit on one of those two picks right
of just a linebacker and maybe just a functional pass catcher,
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tight end or you know, wide receiver who knows like
they might be the favorite. Yeah, I mean it's it's
a hard one. I mean, I think in the on
the value side, you're getting more value out of um,
You're getting more value out of having Jordan's love, right
like Jordan loves. Value will probably in theory it doesn't
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go down, It only goes up because the worst case scenario,
you can move off him in the next two years
for a first round draft pick and kind of get
it back and and and do the do over because
somebody's gonna need a quarterback, and somebody evaluated and said, well,
you know, two years of working for him and we
haven't seen him, so we don't know just how bad
it actually is. Right, But that's again in theory, whereas
you know, during those two years, if you've got a
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player who was a difference maker, is it is it
worth it? And that's again, that's an organizational decision which
they're gonna they're gonna have to live with. Let's let's
let's get to the Niners. You and I have been
kind of lockstep in this with the Garoppo low thing.
But with them falling apart without Garoppolo, does it make
it any more likely that he will return next year
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for the Niners as their quarterback. Yeah. I think last
night definitely helped. And I would imagine the rest of
the season won't look that great either, so that that
will also help his case. He's got one thing going
for him. He's on a pretty cheap, team friendly contract.
Did they control so when this offseason hits like Matt
Ryan and Kirk Cousins are not available, like those teams
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are not trading players. When the Caps going down for
enormous dead caps and Kyle Shanahan has proven they haven't
really signed crazy deals. Why why would he want a
thirty five million dollar contract with one of those guys
when he has Jimmy for way cheaper. Now, maybe I'm wrong,
and maybe he does. I think that would be a
terrible move, but let's just say he's not going to
do that. Who are the options to really upgrade with
(20:51):
an NFL The guy that's already in the league, probably
Sam Donald, but that would that would come down and
I don't know what you know, Uh, Kyle thinks of him,
very evaluation of Sam Donald really more coming out than
his time in the NFL, because time in the NFL
hasn't been great, so that Jimmy has that going for him.
And then if you're gonna do that, you would just
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keep Jimmy on the roster and draft a guy like
to me, that's the most likely scenario that they kind
of pull an Alex Smith type move. And as we
see with Aaron Rodgers that the thing with Patrick Mahomes
is he was so good and you could see in
that week's seventeen game they were just like, Okay, well
what are we doing? And then Alex lost in the playoffs.
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But if Jimmy, if they drafted let's say the b
y U kid in the first round and next year Jimmy,
they make a run and Jimmy is really good. Well,
you can snow play it. You're you're not in a
huge rush. That to me is probably the safest move.
Then the trade for one of these older guys, like Listen,
I respect Matt Ryan. I think he's had a great career.
I think he's trending down dramatically. And and the Vikings
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people forget this when they keep throwing out all the
Vikings suck though. They just gave him a contract extant,
so they the owner just cut him a large amount
of money that he pays him basically over a twelve
month period. He's gonna pay him sixty seventy million dollars
and then just trade him. And you know, the Diners
aren't gonna want to give up some high picks. So
he was like, I'm just gonna pay this guy sixty
five million dollars over twelve months, an extension over the
(22:17):
money I've already paid him, and then I'm gonna give
him the Diners for a third round pick like that's
just bad business. I think Kirk cousins a lot to
be on that team next year, to be on the Vikings. Yes, yes,
they What they did was they've moved a bunch of
money around because they're in capell otherwise. And you're not
gonna upset that when you have you have cost certainty
with him. You know where that is. That's for the
(22:38):
next two years. And he's really like when you watch him,
I mean, he has some bad moments, but he's not
their problems. They can win with him. Yeah, he's fine,
he's fine. So he's the same as he's always been, right,
he's he's not elite quarterback, but he's he's fine. He's
he's he's And that's where hopefully John Lynch would have
a little more power now and if Kyle is still
in love with the guy, could just talk him out
(23:00):
of it, which I look Donald possibly becomes on the market.
I think there's some other guys that will be on
the market, which if you know the problem, you know
the problem with Donald Doug. If he's in year three,
that means going into your four quarterback and you gotta
pick up a fifth year option. Well, it's like that
fifth year option is really expensive. If they wanted to
trade him after a year two, I think it would
(23:20):
be a much easier view. I think it's a little
more complicated than just the way everyone talks about it,
you know, I mean I don't, I don't know. I
mean I think everyone he's gonna go for a first
round pick. I pumped the brakes on that. I mean,
he's been hurt now again, his films not great. It's
not all his fault. But you'd basically be just be
trading based on three years ago. And let's face it,
(23:41):
a lot changes, you know, once you come into the league.
Here's what I'll push back though, Okay, and from his
first start until now, just about every game you watch,
there's a there's a wild play, there's a okay, man,
this this guy's got something, right. I use that in
comparison to toa I know they won, I know Aaron
(24:01):
Donald is a monster, right, So you want to and
the kids, coming off a devastating injury, you just wanted
to get rid of the football quick. I just I
didn't see any wow play. There wasn't a I mean
you you, I know you you guys. You and guy
love to talk on your other pod about about golf
and gamble. On golf, you know, there's usually that one
shot you hit on a when you play a team
(24:22):
with a buddy, there's that one shot that keeps you
coming back right. And I just didn't see that from
two him. I'm missing something. Yeah, to me, if we
use the golf analogy, if like Herbert and Borrow, or
are these guys like you know, bryceon d Shambo and
Rory McElroy, He's really more like a guy that's hits
the two and or seventy yards off the tea and
when you do that, you're margin for error. Like he's
(24:44):
not that big, it's got a little now. He's i think,
a much more mature in People that I knew at
Alabama love the guy. So I'm not comparing the personality
to Baker Mayfield because he is not gonna say anything dumb.
He's not people are gonna like him. But the thing
you see with Baker and you see it with Toua,
like his physical attributes. Once you get to the NFL
and you know the NBA drafts right around the corner,
(25:05):
we always talk about these guys like with high ceilings
and then like guys with like, you know, they don't
have a high ceiling, but they have a high floor. Well,
the problem is you never truly know until you actually
see them with the other players, and then you pretty
quickly know you're like, uh, yeah, this guy is gonna
be limited. Now, we once said that about Drew Brees.
He was just elite right, accuracy, the offense was perfect form.
(25:26):
He got the perfect head coach. And again his accuracy
and just his timing and and just understanding of how
to run the offense is probably as good as it gets.
Like to me, that too has to be that And
you know, for a guy that's already been injured and
the story is already out, like they might have a
top five or six pick with the Houston Texans pick,
(25:47):
what if they do have the chance to get just
even trade off a couple of spots to get an
elite guy they just saw like Arizona just kind of
gave the blueprint. Now, I think two is probably better
than Rosen's and much more and much and much more likable.
But yes, I yeah, but but I do think that
that that did show like the worst thing you can
do in the NFL, right is draft high and pick
(26:07):
the wrong quarterback or a guy that you're not, you know,
dead set on. It does leave in limbo for a
couple of years. Well. And also it's like the Yannick
and Gowa moved by the Vikings though, right, it's like
the you gotta sometimes admit when you made a mistake
when some doesn't fit. That's that's I think the big
that's to me, the big ones, Like I don't know
if this is why the Cowboys gave him ARII Cooper
(26:28):
that big of a contract, but it's almost like they
wanted to prove like, no, we knew what we were
doing all along, we we we we didn't first round
pick and given a big contract. No, no no, we love him.
He's awesome. And right that that's to me, the mistake
that people make, it's not just a mistake, it's doubling
down on the mistakes so they don't admit that they
were wrong. And that's where I think, if you're in
that room, the tough spot would be because I think
(26:48):
it would be easy to say, well, we got four picks,
and we got two in the first, two in the second,
or whatever they have to potentially I think like four
top fifty picks, what if we take two wide receivers
and two offensive niemen and helps stack the deck for
the kid. And then, because that's not crazy, you just
took the kid fifth. Let's just put a suite offensive
drafting marchase, you know, draft another sweet wide receiver and
(27:10):
draft the top offensive lineman right a garden a and
a and a tackle, and then we'll just we just
drafted the tackle this year. Then our offense is sweet.
And then all of a sudden, you you do that,
which isn't crazy. You just took a guy fifth, and
then you realize midway through the next season, you're like, wow,
we like all these guys, but I don't. We don't
love the quarterback. And then you're kind of stuck. And
that's where I think these next really the next two months,
(27:32):
because the team is kind of in playoff contention. But
if he can just get them eight and eight, nine
and seven and have one thing, the bar is not now,
Like you can't just cruise the hunter and twenty yard
passing games in this league. Like he needs to prove
that he can have some explosive passing games because these
the other two kids are doing that. I mean, Borrows
team stinks perfect team is better, but his eye test
(27:53):
is just incredible. I I think there to me, my
educated guest, is the owner saw those two guys. It
was like listening, guys, if we think too was healthy,
he's got a play. I mean, let's let's see what
this kid has. Yeah that that that that sounds about right,
and you want to do out the buye week. And
I wouldn't even blame the owner. I mean just like, well,
I'm watching these two guys you keep dressing to us,
(28:14):
would be one thing if Tool wasn't sweat with with
the hip injury, but he was healthy. I will tell you,
I will. I will tell you also that the owner,
like there's there's different types of owners. Stephen Ross is
super super engaged in their player acquisition. I know that.
I side, um, I've heard I've heard that too. Yeah,
like he like he he saturdays, he watches college football
(28:36):
the entire time. Supposedly he's the reason they went and
got jakeem Grant in the sixth round. I think because
he was watching Texas Tech late one night. He loved
he loved Big twelve football, and he was like, who's this.
He called Mike Tannebaum and told him to told him
to draft Jachim Grant because he's got he's got crazy speed,
which he does have crazy speed, does have crazy anyway. Uh,
(28:58):
John mitelcoff our guest and the Doug Gotlips a Fox
Sports Radio. I feel like this is a chance for
Lamar to redeem himself. And it's kind of a sneaky
good game because the Colts defense is so good and
I'm not sure if America has paid attention to it.
I had a coach tell me that they played the
Colts this year. He thought they were one of the
best friend sevens he's seen in years. So the physicality there,
(29:20):
you're not just gonna be able to run around, which
last week when you look at the box score, I
mean they were very, very productive on the ground. They
lost the game because he couldn't grow. So if they
can't run the ball like they did last week, I
think they were well over two hundred yards. Uh, it's
gonna put a lot of pressure on him. And I
saw the Twitter video that you had, I thought it
(29:42):
was great about Lamar Jackson. Like listen, we can be
critical of his passing, but every time he gets on
the microphone, the way the team responds to him, he
really has been impressive. I mean his off the field
has been an a plus. It's just really the only
knock on him. It's just the passing game, which not
just the passing game, because when they kill full like
non Steeler teams, and they're winning some of these games
(30:02):
like forty to ten, it's easy for him, right because
they're running if they're passing it. And then when they
get in these tight games and he gets down or
when the game's tight, it's like just that third nine
pass sales or he just takes a sack, or he
just takes off and gets tackled. That to me is
and back when I was with the Eagles, I saw it,
and I don't blame a running quarterback with Michael Vick.
(30:23):
Like at the end of the day, instead of going
Drew Brees or Tom Brady or even like what Burrow
and Herbert are doing, they just leaned the pass. You go, well,
I can run for it because my legs are so
elite and against the best teams the fastest seasons is
you notice Doug he's gotten back to where he drops
his eyes. Yeah, they've never been faster in the NFL,
(30:44):
so they might not be lamar fast. But they they're
already taking good they take good angles. It's just hard
for him to do it. And I'm with you that
the eye dropping. He's not scrambling to throw now, he's
scrambling to run. And so I put some of it
on the on the coach. I mean, they just they
just get so enamored with running that like triple options
thing they do, and it just you gotta practice the
past to be good at the past. Yeah, but if
(31:06):
we remember it's it's interesting when Greg Rohame was in
San Francisco, well maybe maybe ye, yeah, right, but midyear
Kaepernick replaced Alex Smith. That took off. The second year,
which would have been like last year when he was pete,
Kaepernick was seen as an elite quarterback, and then the
third year they were eight and eight, and it was well,
Kaepernick's got small hands, he can't roll to his left.
(31:28):
It was about his shortcomings. When some of it also
was about the shortcomings and the lack of ability to
evolve the offense. Right, So, which we're seeing some of that,
some of that with Baltimore. Um, all right, next week
is Masters week. Maybe we'll have you on before Friday.
Maybe we won't. In the meantime, stay safe up there.
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