December 30, 2020 • 38 mins
Doug explains why people need to calm down on the Deshaun Watson hype and tells you why Draymond Green is the mayonnaise of professional athletes. By himself, he's not great, but when complimented with other ingredients, he's amazing. Dan Wetzel from Yahoo helps preview the CFB Playoffs and talks about how college football can solve its competitive balance issues. Plus Real News, Fake News on Gametime.
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I hope you're having an absolutely spectacular day. The Doug
Gottlieb Show broadcast live from sunny southern California. Uh Bowl
games upon us. I'm watching, uh the Duke's Mayo Bowl.
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We got a lot of thoughts on on mayonnaise. I
think I have a here's what I do. Um, I
will tell you who mayonnaise is as an athlete in
fifteen minutes about that mayonnaise is as an athlete. There
we go, Okay, that's a that's a In the business, kids,
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we call that a tease. And uh there there has
never been a tease about mayonnaise that is as good
as that one. Let me start with this. Yesterday, I
got a chance to uh co host the Dan Patrick
Show on Fox Sports Radio, and somewhere in our conversation.
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Somewhere in our conversation, I got into this back and
forth with Jason McIntyre over Deshaun Watson. And my point
is not that I'm not a Deshaun Watson fan. I
am my not my family. My point is not the
Deshaun Watson stinks. He doesn't, but based upon the amount
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of money he makes and the perception of who he is,
I feel like I don't feel like I know he's
overrated because if I say, well, he's the top five quarterback, well, okay,
where is the proof of that? In regards to wins
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and losses? Do you put every win and every loss
at the feet of the quarterback? Absolutely not. But if
we're going to be critical of the Matt Staffords of
the world for the numbers he puts up despite the
paucity of wins and playoff wins with Detroit, if we're
critical of any other quarterback who the team doesn't win under, well,
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then at the end of the day, wins and losses
is a quarterback stat not totally fair. They don't own
every loss, but it's a general sense that you get.
And let's also remember that Deshaun Watson has been helped
out during his career by playing for when I think
everyone agree is is is a very good offensive coach. Now,
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Bill O'Brien is not the easiest guy to deal with.
Bill O'Brien was not the greatest GM in the history
of the sport. Bill O'Brien lost his job because of
his ego. All right, and you're gonna sit there and
go like, hey man, you know, Deshaun Watson thirty touchdowns,
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five interceptions, He's having a great year. Okay. The year
got off to a terrible start when they lost their
first four games, and those first four games were against
the KANCI Chiefs, Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers, Minnesota Vikings. Right there,
wins this year over Jacksonville twice, Detroit, and New England.
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Those are four of the worst teams in the league.
They are not good football teams. And while there's not
any question, any question that they played far and away
the most difficult schedule in the league, think about this.
This is their opening schedule. Kansas City, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Tennessee,
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Green Bay, Jacksonville, worked in in the middle there. Think
about that. Those are all either playoff teams or playoff hopefuls.
Minnesota is the one team that jumps out of You're like, yeah,
they're not as good as okay, okay, and they didn't
beat any of the good teams. Literally didn't beat any
of the good teams. If you look at the Houston
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Texans record before he got there, one one and two
in the playoffs in the in the four years that
proceeded when he got there, it's virtually identical to the
record since he's been there. Now, does that mean he's
a terrible quarterback? No? Does that mean he's a good quarterback? Yeah?
I think he Anybody can see he's a good Is
he a great quarterback? Here's what we do when there's
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guys that we like a right, Here's what there's guys
that we like. When we like them, we like everything
about the personality, and I like Deshaun Watson. We get
lost in trying to be critical of things that we
don't like. We like the story, but all of a sudden,
any sort of analysis because so a Houston radio personality, um,
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a Houston radio personality, uh called me out and said
I'm one of the stupidest humans on Earth? Is that right? Yeah?
That that's what said. Because the Texans are a poorly
run franchise. And if I don't believe he's a top
ten quarterback, that I'm one of the stupidest, stupidest humans alive.
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For that take. The first thing is and this is
important that if you have takes that you know what's
this guy name Adam Clinton. The Houston Texans are one
of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports
for a number of reason. That said, gotlib show is
literally one of the dumbest human humans on the planet.
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For this, If anything, Deshaun Watson is underrated after the
ungodly numbers he put up. Well, maybe it's a Houston
thing that that Maybe that's what it is, right, Maybe
it's a Houston thing where James Harden is the greatest
player ever. If we or Russell Westbrook, whoever's a triple
double three years a row in Oklahoma City. Is it's
numbers that make you under because where I come from,
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which is planet Earth, United States of America, you keep
score because the only stat really that matters is did
you win or did you lose? Did you win, did
you lose? Now, the individual stats of a football game,
or a basketball game or a baseball game are important
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because it can paint a more accurate, layered context. Well,
you can say like, well, hey, John Watson played pretty well.
The team clearly did not. But as poorly run as
they were, they made the playoffs most years with him.
Without him, they made the playoffs the same number of times,
you know, in the same number of years that really happened.
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So they're terribly run. And oh yeah, by the way,
they went in and overpaid. I'm sure for Laramie Tuncil,
the star left tackle. And if you didn't like the
DeAndre Hopkins trade, I didn't think they got enough. But
do you think that Bill O'Brien didn't shop the trade, like,
do you think he Do you think he didn't try
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and get more out of Deanandre Hopkins? And oh yeah,
by the way, what he got in return. I'll granted,
David Johnson is almost never healthy, but what is healthy?
Like last weekend, it's pretty ymn good, pretty ymn good.
Bill O'Brien's biggest errors were in ego, but not in
desire to like Brandon Cooks, when healthy can really play
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he played during those first five six games of the season,
David Johnson, when healthy can really play. Don't believe he
Look what he did last weekend. So he played for
a quarterback friendly coach in a quarterback friendly offense. They
did everything to support him, and if there are any
errors they made, it was only in trying to build
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a better franchise to free up money to pay the
Shawn Watson, to pay larrym Tunseil to support their star quarterback.
That doesn't make those mistakes okay, But the idea that
all of these other quarterbacks are succeeding their franchises must
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be better run, it's kind of laughable. Look, I'm not
saying he's not Michael Jordan's. He's to this point, he's
more dominiqu Wilkins. Great numbers, the part acts, the part,
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feels like the part, but there's something missing in the
wins and losses, whether it's leadership or the fact he
holds on the football too long, which has long been
a problem in Houston, Which is he's got he's got
some of the same hero ball complex he's He's actually
more like Ben Roethlisberger than you think. It doesn't mean
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he stinks as a quarterback. But to call me names
and to say that I'm an idiot when I know
what I'm talking about. I've talked to enough NFL people
to kind of work through this take and and think,
you know, it's it's like the cancer. They're they're up
twenty four nothing the can City Chiefs last year and
they lose. And Bill O'Brien got every bit of the
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deserve criticism for his team giving away at twenty four
nothing lead on the road against the Chiefs. But you
know what else, and this is really important, no one
was ever critical of Deshaun Watson. And the last I
checked in football, every time somebody else scores, you get
the ball back. You got twenty four early in the
second quarter, and you scored one more touchdown against the defense,
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which is a defense that should have been gassed by
the way based upon the number of times that they
were on the football field. So I I I love
the criticism when it it it becomes personal, because when
it becomes personal, it only shows that you don't actually
listen to the take. The quarterback position. The quarterback position
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is not solely, not solely representative represented terms of success
in wins and losses. But it is absolutely a quarterback
stat because you are a winner or a loser at
the end of the day, right, a winner or loser
at the end of the day. And you look at
all these other all these other quarterbacks, all of them,
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I'll name the quote and before they if they didn't
have a Hall of Fame worthy top five quarterback as
compared to when they did, they're all successful. I mean,
I can't look at the four NFC teams that have
qualified for the playoffs. I don't think Drew Brees is
nearly what he used to be his team's in. I
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don't think Tom Brady is nearly what he used to
be his team's in. Aaron Rodgers is better than he's
ever been his teams in. How is it that the
only quarterback whose team is wildly underperforming receives no criticism. Again,
doesn't mean he's the sole problem, doesn't mean even he's
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the biggest part of the problem. But there is something
missing there when he's putting up empty stats and no
one outside of me is pointing it out. That's really
what this is about. If we want to be fair
about all quarterbacks, we want to be fair about all coaches.
Then we have to strip off the names and just
go based upon the blind resume and what they're actually doing.
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Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. We've got a
lot to get today, man, I'm fired up for today's show.
All right, we will talk the college football playoff up coming,
but coming up next, who mayo is as a football player?
I don't know the actual mayonnaise. I'll explain next to
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do you eat mayo? I do? I actually love mayonnaise,
and I probably shouldn't. I know it's probably not great
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for you, but I do. I mean, why do you
have to apologize for something? There's plenty of other things.
I think it's not great for you, but it's not
the worst thing in the world that it depends what
kind of mayonnaise? What kind of mayonnaise you you eat?
Why haven't getting light lately? The last year I saw
I being in the light mayonnaise. If that makes any
better for myself, I don't. I would say it's probably
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better light, better than heavy. Yes, right? What do you
eat mayonnaise on blogny sandwiches? You eat blogny sandwiches. Hey,
some things ever go away? All right? I get you
have cheat, just just you put cheese on there. Sometimes
it's just it's just bread, bologne and the mayonnaise. Kicking
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it old school Brian Finley, Are you a mayo guy?
You know? I'm not Doug. I think it's absolutely disgusting.
I've never had it my whole life. Well I would,
I actually guess you have had it? Really, how so
what gives you that reasoning? Well? Um, do you do
you know like all the things that mayonnaise is in.
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Have you had potato salad. No, okay, have you had
caesar dressing? Yes? I have. It can be in caesar dressing. Um,
do you ever have artichoke dip? I not any time
when I was a kid, when I was a baby.
So I mean, like, look, it's in. It is in
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a lot of different things. Devil eggs not an eggs guy,
I'm so picky, I sound like, but have you had
devil eggs? No, I've not. Okay, pimiento cheese dip never,
lobster rolls never. I'm a weak You don't like eggs salads? Okay,
all right? Um, what's the is it? Thousand Island dressing?
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Is that what it is? Right? Thousand? Have you read
thousand Island dressing? No? It looks gross, isn't it kind
of like a pinkish orange salmon color? It is? It
is ranch dressing. You've had ranch? Yeah, back in the day,
but probably not since fourth grade. It grosses me out.
I'm a really weird individual, Doug. You're not. You're not weird.
You're not weird. There's a lot of people have turned
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on manas what do you eat? Brian? What is so?
I basically do anything? Paleo so nonprocessed, no sugar, no carbs, meat, vegetables, fruits.
That's it. And I basically eat a lot of the
same things over and over again. So that's actually an
issue with me. But it's it's chickens, it's turkey, it's steak,
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and then it's like a stir fry salad. I kind
of do the same thing every day, and that's probably
a problem, which I should do something problem if it
works for you and you're in relatively get good health,
like I can't. You know, Lee, what about you? Are
you a Are you a Mayo guy? Love Mayo? Put
that on everything really well, all the things you mentioned,
you know, are you put on burgers? Some people put
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on burgers and I'll put it on burgers. Won't put
it on a hot dog. I know some people do that.
I'm trying to think what may who Mayo is as
an athlete? So here here's how I described Mayo, and
you guys try and maybe hit me up on Twitter.
Who Mayo is as an athlete? It's Mayo is by itself.
It's it's discussed, like no one would take a scoop
of mayonnaise and just eat it right by itself. It's
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not great, and there are plenty of things in which
you're like, you know, you really need mayonnaise. Um, But
with just the right thing, it's kind of fantastic, right,
I mean, like again, on a cheeseburger, do I want
just mayonnaise on top of like? No? But it's it.
It provides a good balance with ketchup. It just it
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really does. Um. Can you do an egg salad without it? Yes?
But it is just better with you know, it's it's
better when you have it, truly better when you have it. Um.
So I look at it and I think to myself,
I'm like mayonnaise. Who is mayonnaise an athlete? Where it's
it's a there's a little Draymond Green to it right
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where not for everybody. Some people just hate it. Let
me just hate it. But with with the right surrounding ingredients,
it's great. It's great. Do I want it with French
fries all the time the way they have it in England? Right?
Fishing with chips? No? But again, if it's just the
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right amount, if you have other condiments and you can
get a little bit or on a BLT sam. I
think about a BLT sandwich if you have the right
do I love like bacon is not great for you,
and then you can add like balty and avocado. You
have to have a really good piece of tomato, really
good lettuce, really good bread, perfectly cook bacon, throw on
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some avocado, not throw on some mayo, and you're like,
oh my gosh. So like Draymond Green goes to his
own team, he's not any good, can't score, can't score.
It's not like he has no real position. But when
he was with Clay and Steph, he's a great passer.
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He defends all five positions. He can score just enough
to keep you honest. He can defend in the post,
make a layup. He's a he everybody wants to fight him.
Fans players included, like again, with just the right fit,
he's fantastic. That's what mayonnaise is, That's what Manais is.
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read his work by simply going to Yahoo Sports. Of course,
he's the best selling author of Epic Athletes series for
Young Readers, which I've just begun purchasing for my eleven
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year old son Dan. Thanks so much for joining us. Mary,
everything to you, Happy New Year to you. I was
I loved your last piece, which is how college football
can re establish competitive balance. As I was explaining to him,
I have a fourteen year old daughter, She's like, who's
good in college football? As like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State,
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Notre Dame. She's like, didn't you say most of those
schools last year? Yes? I yes, I did, Yes I did.
How do you if you were to do that, you
do the five step program? Take me through it. Yeah. Well, look,
there's definitely competitive balance issues and it's not just like, well,
Nick Saban's running a great program like we've had that,
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you know, Pete Carroll's great Ohio State has won four
straight Big Ten titles. Oklahoma and Clemson won sixth straight
A CEC and Big Twelve championships. Um, so there's not
you're not getting that competitiveness in the in the in
the in each league. And the belief is that more
and more kids, especially now they've watched six seven years
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of this from all of the country are just flocking
to the same four five teams and recruiting, and that's
shown in recruiting rankings because they get in the postseason.
So it's kind of like self fulfilling. And so you
can almost look next year and say, ah, it's gonna
be Alabama, Clemson and in Ohio State and then who's
gonna be four in the Oklahoma's gonna Knowiname or whatever. So, uh,
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there's a couple of different things that are either going
to happen or will happen. Number one would be other
schools stepping up. What's not uh exonerate any of them.
You know, USC could be better, Florida State, Texas Ore
in Miami, Florida. These schools have in the past been
national level players and they can get back into that
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if they start doing well. So that would certainly help UM.
But I think that expanding the playoff to eight teams,
allowing five all five of the major conferences and and
probably one of the Group of five or whatever you
want to call them, to get an automatic bid to
this playoff would allow more regional Competitian leagues such as
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the Pac twelve, which haven't been in this thing for
four consecutive years would have a path, It would have
a path to play. Their regular season would matter more.
Things like that. Um, you wouldn't be a kid growing
up in l a And saying no, the only way
really I can play in a playoff is to go
to the Southeastern Conference. So that's one. UH. Name, image
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and likeness is going to change recruiting a great deal,
and I believe it will spread the talent out around
the country as money becomes an issue above the table. UH.
And the transfer market is UH is going to be
a big thing as kids can now transfer without penalty.
So you have a couple of major things coming. Um.
I think the playoffs expand the playoff and it would
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help out create more competitive balance. What we really need
to do is spread out the talent and encourage a
little bit more parity in where the talent goes around
the country, which you see in obviously in professional sports,
but even in other college sports like college basketball where
book Gonzaga bail. It's not just Kentucky and Duke that
are that are really good. In fact, they rarely win
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the championship. Well, it's interesting. The college basketball comparison is interesting. UM,
and maybe this is This is a later piece that
you will you and I should work together on. I
think college basketball has changed forever. Like you look at
the number of Big Ten teams as well as the
Gonzagas of the world, but the Big Ten. The reason
that the Big Ten is perfectly positioned for now and
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the short term future of basketball is the one and
done is a gift and a curse. Right now that
you know five or so of the top recruit kids
are going to that G League select thing now a
sudden Kentucky's, even when they do get a spectacular recruiting class,
they're not the same level of dominance that they used
to be. The top recruits are kind of spread out
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a little bit, so then the schools that retain kids
the most and the longest are the most successful. And
that's what the Big Ten is. In football, I think
it's I think it's different. There was a there was
a chance when the Big East was rolling. I think
that change and hurt programs that used to recruit in
the in the New Jersey area or whatever. But I
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think that football is because kids aren't one and done
and because they have to go for three years, that
the Alabama's of the world and the you know, and
the secs in the Ohio States, they're able to recruit
a little bit more depth at that top level, and
they're almost on people. In addition to the fact that like, look,
the reality is, you don't have the bodies and the
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West Coast, you know, for defensive lineman, you'll you'll you'll
have quarterbacks, you'll have wide receivers, you might have running backs.
You don't outside of you know, some of the kids
that come from the Polynesian kids, you just don't have
those bodies. Kids that are six five to six eight,
they play basketball, they play volleyball. They're moving away from football,
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whereas in the Southeast and Texas, in Florida and in
parts of the Midwest, it's still really big and kids
are gonna always want to play close to home and
they always want to go play for a winner. Well
did I go too long there? No, No, I don't know.
Let mean say, it's obviously basketball football two different sports.
So you have that. I agree with you. These the
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one and done in basketball has changed because a lot
of fans look at recruiting the wrong way because they
see five star or he's a McDonald's All Americans well,
there's twenty thirty kids in the McDonald's Americans. That's like
the difference in basketball. It's like saying who's the number
one pick and who's the number thirty player. It's a
difference between having Kevin duran and Andre Drummond on your team. Okay,
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Andre Dumond's a real nice player, but he's not Kevin Durant.
So the top five matter, and it matters in football too.
You look at it in football, he said, well, you know,
the Jets fans are are upset because they're only gonna
get the fourth best player, the second best player at
the first It matters, right, Um, you look, you can
have really good teams in the West coast. It wasn't
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long ago the USC and Oregon were dominating the country.
So you know, I think you can get those guys.
What we have seen is at last year in the
class of the number one number two players in the
state of California went to Clemson and Alabama, respectively. But
now they look they're now they're both they're both quarterbacks.
I mean just just you know, like and and one
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was set to go to USC and he changed his mind, right,
the other ones, the backup at at Clemson and you
know to be to be fair, USC appears to be
fine at quarter quarterbacks not the issue. But ahead, I'm sorry,
but I mean I don't I don't think you can.
I think West Coast teams can build great teams. Still,
it's not that long ago that USC and Oregon played
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in the in the first playoff, right, But I do
think that the elite player and kicks from other parts
of the country who would be willing to go there
because who doesn't want to live in in l A
or something like that, aren't seeing that because you're not
having you're you're not having any success. The PAC twelve
is irrelevant on a national level, so the ability to
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go recruit you need more access. And I understand that,
like when you think about how do we have better competitiveness,
you don't expand a playoff when you look at this
season and go, there's probably only two teams that are
any good. But it creates a long term ability to
build because making a playoff would matter, winning a game
would matter, Hosting a game would matters. I agree, I'm sorry,
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en Up. I agree that it would make you know
it that having conference champions not go to the college
football playoff runs counter to what college football has always
told us, which is our regular season matters, right and
your regular season would matter more is if if whoever
wins your conference goes to the championship. There's there's two
problems with that, and I do think that the three
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extra largest could one that you know, if you have
an upset, like if a Northwestern beats and Ohio State
last week, like yeah, now we gotta take Northwestern in
the playoffs, right, or whoever wins the Pack twelve if
it's not the like yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Secondly, if
you don't qualify for that eight the number, everybody's gonna
get fired, like and there's been massive chance, massive turnover.
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The fight for eight would be so great, whereas now, yeah,
the bull games don't really matter, but half of those
bull teams end up their season with a win, which
allows teams to developed players, coaches to feel better, boosters
and like it all kind of does work because the
reality is there are four or five teams that are
better than everybody else every year and we don't really miss,
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like we didn't miss this year. Could you have taken
a and M sure sure? Uh? Could you have taken
us since THENNI probably whatever, and and but the fact
is that we know who the best teams are. We
we just don't we just don't lie to anybody about
in college football. I mean that's fine, but in the
long term of building that out, it can't just be
the same teams every year. And so if you could
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sit there and say, hey, Gonzaga was never the number one,
number one of the top teams when they started making
in save basketball tournters, but they slowly built it up.
Villanova was never the number one team. It may never
have been the number I mean, you know, barely ever,
they've won more championships than Kentucky. Uh, you know, they
were the second time they wanted they were the number
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one team. But that first, like you know, I was like,
it's a nice program, but they can't really compete with Well,
you build up and you build up, and you build up,
and you you offer. But the other things on this
that will happen the name of a genlightness I think
will spread out that top talent because if you are
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the big you know right now that the number one
the top reasons kids go places quality of coach in
the program and location. You talk about that well, when
you throw money into the equation, that can just like
in in pro sports or in just regular jobs, that
can change the the the geography problem a place like
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being the quarterback at the University of Nebraska. You are
the biggest sports star in the entire state. Talking about name,
maybe likeness, possibilities, it's considerable at at a Nebraska. Does
Nebraska gonna beat Alabama for every single recruit? Of course
not are they going to beat them for half? No,
but could they beat them for a couple yes, well,
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right now they never do. Let alone a Boise State
or a Michigan state or or wherever. Every school has
got some money. Every school's got a market, and I
think if you distribute out the talent a little bit better,
more teams are good. There's more unpredictability and you don't
just have this kind of stockpiling of it in the
Game's Friday. Between two thousand sixteen and two thousand and twenty,
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the classes, these five classes which players are in Alabama
signed twenty two five star players. According to Rival Rivals
has about thirty kids a year who are five stars.
That's the first round draft pick, if you will, If
you compare it to an NFL two, Notre Dame has two.
There is no competition in terms of talent between Alabama
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and Notre Dame. Order Dame is a hell of a program.
They're really good, they got a really good coach, they
got a really good tradition, they spend tons of money,
but they're completely outclassed in talents. If you spread that
out and all of a sudden, it's fourteen five stars
for for Alabama and four for an a's at least
a little bit better. Right. The problem the problem with that, Dan,
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and and look, it's it's it's obviously that that part
of the future, which I know you've kind of fought
for for years, is in fact here. The problem with
that is one that would mean that Alabama wouldn't be
able to match in terms of name image. You're like
this that you're right in terms of like look with
the argument you're making, huh and don't know? And and look,
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by the way, it's the same argument I've I've actually
made when you don't pay a guy, Because if your
quarterback in Nebraska and you don't make it, and you
handle yourself the right way, you can make fivefold the money.
As you know, I mean like my Man Davis. We
get my Man Davison called one freaking pass and he's
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the voice of Nebraska basketball and football, right. I mean,
that's that's that's the reality of it, um. But the
problem with it is the real money is in and
the real passion is for the NFL, and the belief
is that you go there, you win, you go. It's
like a direct It's just a way station for the NFL.
And and that's that's what the kids are after. Its location,
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it's promotion, it's path through the NFL. And if I
can make some pocket change along the way, yes, I
I think that'll be. You bring up Notre Dame Dan
Wetzel joining us Yahoo Sports super talented. Not only Calumness
also authors Shich picked up his kids books as well.
How important is it for Notre Dame to UH to
have a good showing? So it's it's really important. I
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think I will say this though with the caveat. We
have gone through a ten years of these games with
Brian Kelly and watched them get absolutely smoked. They lost
the Albam, they lost the Clemson, They lost like they
got crushed by a Miami in a big high regular
season games. His program is so solid that other than
one year, they just keep going. No, no, I know that,
I know that, but and like they're not gonna fall
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off the faith here. But yeah, a forty two to
three game it takes a very exciting season for them
and makes it miserable. There's no question, and it's back
to the drawing board, and there is no drawing board.
How do you match the talent of these couple of
teams and you just can't. Notre Dame is not going
to have that kind of talent that Alabama and clemonson
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at half. It's there's just no way they're going to
recruit that level at this point. So how do you
work this out? They need to get the truly elite
quarterback or something like that. They can get that guy
at Notre Dame. They could have gotten a kid like
Trevor Lawrence to goo there, you're gonna just be able
to line up twenty five stars. I mean, you know,
Alabama's a machine right now that Notre Dame has never
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read I ever reached that since the nineteen fifties or something.
You know, in the old days, Notre Dame would have
never had to play a rematch game against Clemson, and
they may have gotten like a lucky old game because
of bowld tie ins, and they might have been able
to crown themselves national champions. This is an error precision
that you have to earn it now and they don't
have that ability. So in terms of perception program, yeah,
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they they if they're if this is a good game,
that's a that's a big moral victory for that program.
If they get swamped again, a really good season for
Notre Dame. And with another you know, I think very
very sour caase in everyone's mouth of just like we're
not good enough to to really get there, and the
problem is other than other than Clemson and maybe Ohio State,
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nobody is good enough to get there. Great stuff as always, Dan,
enjoy the games, have a happy new year, and thanks
so much for joining us any time. Man, take care
of you all right. Um, that is Dan Wetzel from
Yahoo's Sports. This is the Doug Otlip Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. And you know, like, look, there's a
bunch of interesting parts to that discussion which I want
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to kind of get back to, which um to me is,
you know, it just it's fast thing that college basketball.
The reason you can compete if you don't have all
the elite recruits is because you have more age, right
you have Wisconsin has starts to two year old starters
college football. Even Alabama you gotta stay there for three years,
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you know, post high school graduation, so it's harder to compete.
Just say hey, we're we're older, Get old and stay
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We got a lot of thoughts on on mayonnaise. I
think I have a here's what I do. Um, I
will tell you who mayonnaise is as an athlete in
fifteen minutes about that mayonnaise is as an athlete. There
we go, Okay, that's a that's a In the business, kids,
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we call that a tease. And uh there there has
never been a tease about mayonnaise that is as good
as that one. Let me start with this. Yesterday, I
got a chance to uh co host the Dan Patrick
Show on Fox Sports Radio, and somewhere in our conversation.
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Somewhere in our conversation, I got into this back and
forth with Jason McIntyre over Deshaun Watson. And my point
is not that I'm not a Deshaun Watson fan. I
am my not my family. My point is not the
Deshaun Watson stinks. He doesn't, but based upon the amount
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of money he makes and the perception of who he is,
I feel like I don't feel like I know he's
overrated because if I say, well, he's the top five quarterback, well, okay,
where is the proof of that? In regards to wins
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and losses? Do you put every win and every loss
at the feet of the quarterback? Absolutely not. But if
we're going to be critical of the Matt Staffords of
the world for the numbers he puts up despite the
paucity of wins and playoff wins with Detroit, if we're
critical of any other quarterback who the team doesn't win under, well,
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then at the end of the day, wins and losses
is a quarterback stat not totally fair. They don't own
every loss, but it's a general sense that you get.
And let's also remember that Deshaun Watson has been helped
out during his career by playing for when I think
everyone agree is is is a very good offensive coach. Now,
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Bill O'Brien is not the easiest guy to deal with.
Bill O'Brien was not the greatest GM in the history
of the sport. Bill O'Brien lost his job because of
his ego. All right, and you're gonna sit there and
go like, hey man, you know, Deshaun Watson thirty touchdowns,
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five interceptions, He's having a great year. Okay. The year
got off to a terrible start when they lost their
first four games, and those first four games were against
the KANCI Chiefs, Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers, Minnesota Vikings. Right there,
wins this year over Jacksonville twice, Detroit, and New England.
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Those are four of the worst teams in the league.
They are not good football teams. And while there's not
any question, any question that they played far and away
the most difficult schedule in the league, think about this.
This is their opening schedule. Kansas City, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Tennessee,
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Green Bay, Jacksonville, worked in in the middle there. Think
about that. Those are all either playoff teams or playoff hopefuls.
Minnesota is the one team that jumps out of You're like, yeah,
they're not as good as okay, okay, and they didn't
beat any of the good teams. Literally didn't beat any
of the good teams. If you look at the Houston
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Texans record before he got there, one one and two
in the playoffs in the in the four years that
proceeded when he got there, it's virtually identical to the
record since he's been there. Now, does that mean he's
a terrible quarterback? No? Does that mean he's a good quarterback? Yeah?
I think he Anybody can see he's a good Is
he a great quarterback? Here's what we do when there's
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guys that we like a right, Here's what there's guys
that we like. When we like them, we like everything
about the personality, and I like Deshaun Watson. We get
lost in trying to be critical of things that we
don't like. We like the story, but all of a sudden,
any sort of analysis because so a Houston radio personality, um,
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a Houston radio personality, uh called me out and said
I'm one of the stupidest humans on Earth? Is that right? Yeah?
That that's what said. Because the Texans are a poorly
run franchise. And if I don't believe he's a top
ten quarterback, that I'm one of the stupidest, stupidest humans alive.
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For that take. The first thing is and this is
important that if you have takes that you know what's
this guy name Adam Clinton. The Houston Texans are one
of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports
for a number of reason. That said, gotlib show is
literally one of the dumbest human humans on the planet.
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For this, If anything, Deshaun Watson is underrated after the
ungodly numbers he put up. Well, maybe it's a Houston
thing that that Maybe that's what it is, right, Maybe
it's a Houston thing where James Harden is the greatest
player ever. If we or Russell Westbrook, whoever's a triple
double three years a row in Oklahoma City. Is it's
numbers that make you under because where I come from,
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which is planet Earth, United States of America, you keep
score because the only stat really that matters is did
you win or did you lose? Did you win, did
you lose? Now, the individual stats of a football game,
or a basketball game or a baseball game are important
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because it can paint a more accurate, layered context. Well,
you can say like, well, hey, John Watson played pretty well.
The team clearly did not. But as poorly run as
they were, they made the playoffs most years with him.
Without him, they made the playoffs the same number of times,
you know, in the same number of years that really happened.
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So they're terribly run. And oh yeah, by the way,
they went in and overpaid. I'm sure for Laramie Tuncil,
the star left tackle. And if you didn't like the
DeAndre Hopkins trade, I didn't think they got enough. But
do you think that Bill O'Brien didn't shop the trade, like,
do you think he Do you think he didn't try
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and get more out of Deanandre Hopkins? And oh yeah,
by the way, what he got in return. I'll granted,
David Johnson is almost never healthy, but what is healthy?
Like last weekend, it's pretty ymn good, pretty ymn good.
Bill O'Brien's biggest errors were in ego, but not in
desire to like Brandon Cooks, when healthy can really play
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he played during those first five six games of the season,
David Johnson, when healthy can really play. Don't believe he
Look what he did last weekend. So he played for
a quarterback friendly coach in a quarterback friendly offense. They
did everything to support him, and if there are any
errors they made, it was only in trying to build
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a better franchise to free up money to pay the
Shawn Watson, to pay larrym Tunseil to support their star quarterback.
That doesn't make those mistakes okay, But the idea that
all of these other quarterbacks are succeeding their franchises must
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be better run, it's kind of laughable. Look, I'm not
saying he's not Michael Jordan's. He's to this point, he's
more dominiqu Wilkins. Great numbers, the part acts, the part,
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feels like the part, but there's something missing in the
wins and losses, whether it's leadership or the fact he
holds on the football too long, which has long been
a problem in Houston, Which is he's got he's got
some of the same hero ball complex he's He's actually
more like Ben Roethlisberger than you think. It doesn't mean
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he stinks as a quarterback. But to call me names
and to say that I'm an idiot when I know
what I'm talking about. I've talked to enough NFL people
to kind of work through this take and and think,
you know, it's it's like the cancer. They're they're up
twenty four nothing the can City Chiefs last year and
they lose. And Bill O'Brien got every bit of the
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deserve criticism for his team giving away at twenty four
nothing lead on the road against the Chiefs. But you
know what else, and this is really important, no one
was ever critical of Deshaun Watson. And the last I
checked in football, every time somebody else scores, you get
the ball back. You got twenty four early in the
second quarter, and you scored one more touchdown against the defense,
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which is a defense that should have been gassed by
the way based upon the number of times that they
were on the football field. So I I I love
the criticism when it it it becomes personal, because when
it becomes personal, it only shows that you don't actually
listen to the take. The quarterback position. The quarterback position
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is not solely, not solely representative represented terms of success
in wins and losses. But it is absolutely a quarterback
stat because you are a winner or a loser at
the end of the day, right, a winner or loser
at the end of the day. And you look at
all these other all these other quarterbacks, all of them,
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I'll name the quote and before they if they didn't
have a Hall of Fame worthy top five quarterback as
compared to when they did, they're all successful. I mean,
I can't look at the four NFC teams that have
qualified for the playoffs. I don't think Drew Brees is
nearly what he used to be his team's in. I
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don't think Tom Brady is nearly what he used to
be his team's in. Aaron Rodgers is better than he's
ever been his teams in. How is it that the
only quarterback whose team is wildly underperforming receives no criticism. Again,
doesn't mean he's the sole problem, doesn't mean even he's
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the biggest part of the problem. But there is something
missing there when he's putting up empty stats and no
one outside of me is pointing it out. That's really
what this is about. If we want to be fair
about all quarterbacks, we want to be fair about all coaches.
Then we have to strip off the names and just
go based upon the blind resume and what they're actually doing.
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Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox is the phone number?
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. We've got a
lot to get today, man, I'm fired up for today's show.
All right, we will talk the college football playoff up coming,
but coming up next, who mayo is as a football player?
I don't know the actual mayonnaise. I'll explain next to
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Stop kidding yourself. I have you've been using marijuana in
any form? Do not get behind the wheel. If you
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U I paid for by Nitza Ramos. Do you uh
do you eat mayo? I do? I actually love mayonnaise,
and I probably shouldn't. I know it's probably not great
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for you, but I do. I mean, why do you
have to apologize for something? There's plenty of other things.
I think it's not great for you, but it's not
the worst thing in the world that it depends what
kind of mayonnaise? What kind of mayonnaise you you eat?
Why haven't getting light lately? The last year I saw
I being in the light mayonnaise. If that makes any
better for myself, I don't. I would say it's probably
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better light, better than heavy. Yes, right? What do you
eat mayonnaise on blogny sandwiches? You eat blogny sandwiches. Hey,
some things ever go away? All right? I get you
have cheat, just just you put cheese on there. Sometimes
it's just it's just bread, bologne and the mayonnaise. Kicking
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it old school Brian Finley, Are you a mayo guy?
You know? I'm not Doug. I think it's absolutely disgusting.
I've never had it my whole life. Well I would,
I actually guess you have had it? Really, how so
what gives you that reasoning? Well? Um, do you do
you know like all the things that mayonnaise is in.
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Have you had potato salad. No, okay, have you had
caesar dressing? Yes? I have. It can be in caesar dressing. Um,
do you ever have artichoke dip? I not any time
when I was a kid, when I was a baby.
So I mean, like, look, it's in. It is in
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a lot of different things. Devil eggs not an eggs guy,
I'm so picky, I sound like, but have you had
devil eggs? No, I've not. Okay, pimiento cheese dip never,
lobster rolls never. I'm a weak You don't like eggs salads? Okay,
all right? Um, what's the is it? Thousand Island dressing?
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Is that what it is? Right? Thousand? Have you read
thousand Island dressing? No? It looks gross, isn't it kind
of like a pinkish orange salmon color? It is? It
is ranch dressing. You've had ranch? Yeah, back in the day,
but probably not since fourth grade. It grosses me out.
I'm a really weird individual, Doug. You're not. You're not weird.
You're not weird. There's a lot of people have turned
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on manas what do you eat? Brian? What is so?
I basically do anything? Paleo so nonprocessed, no sugar, no carbs, meat, vegetables, fruits.
That's it. And I basically eat a lot of the
same things over and over again. So that's actually an
issue with me. But it's it's chickens, it's turkey, it's steak,
(15:36):
and then it's like a stir fry salad. I kind
of do the same thing every day, and that's probably
a problem, which I should do something problem if it
works for you and you're in relatively get good health,
like I can't. You know, Lee, what about you? Are
you a Are you a Mayo guy? Love Mayo? Put
that on everything really well, all the things you mentioned,
you know, are you put on burgers? Some people put
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on burgers and I'll put it on burgers. Won't put
it on a hot dog. I know some people do that.
I'm trying to think what may who Mayo is as
an athlete? So here here's how I described Mayo, and
you guys try and maybe hit me up on Twitter.
Who Mayo is as an athlete? It's Mayo is by itself.
It's it's discussed, like no one would take a scoop
of mayonnaise and just eat it right by itself. It's
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not great, and there are plenty of things in which
you're like, you know, you really need mayonnaise. Um, But
with just the right thing, it's kind of fantastic, right,
I mean, like again, on a cheeseburger, do I want
just mayonnaise on top of like? No? But it's it.
It provides a good balance with ketchup. It just it
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really does. Um. Can you do an egg salad without it? Yes?
But it is just better with you know, it's it's
better when you have it, truly better when you have it. Um.
So I look at it and I think to myself,
I'm like mayonnaise. Who is mayonnaise an athlete? Where it's
it's a there's a little Draymond Green to it right
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where not for everybody. Some people just hate it. Let
me just hate it. But with with the right surrounding ingredients,
it's great. It's great. Do I want it with French
fries all the time the way they have it in England? Right?
Fishing with chips? No? But again, if it's just the
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right amount, if you have other condiments and you can
get a little bit or on a BLT sam. I
think about a BLT sandwich if you have the right
do I love like bacon is not great for you,
and then you can add like balty and avocado. You
have to have a really good piece of tomato, really
good lettuce, really good bread, perfectly cook bacon, throw on
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some avocado, not throw on some mayo, and you're like,
oh my gosh. So like Draymond Green goes to his
own team, he's not any good, can't score, can't score.
It's not like he has no real position. But when
he was with Clay and Steph, he's a great passer.
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He defends all five positions. He can score just enough
to keep you honest. He can defend in the post,
make a layup. He's a he everybody wants to fight him.
Fans players included, like again, with just the right fit,
he's fantastic. That's what mayonnaise is, That's what Manais is.
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year old son Dan. Thanks so much for joining us. Mary,
everything to you, Happy New Year to you. I was
I loved your last piece, which is how college football
can re establish competitive balance. As I was explaining to him,
I have a fourteen year old daughter, She's like, who's
good in college football? As like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State,
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Notre Dame. She's like, didn't you say most of those
schools last year? Yes? I yes, I did, Yes I did.
How do you if you were to do that, you
do the five step program? Take me through it. Yeah. Well, look,
there's definitely competitive balance issues and it's not just like, well,
Nick Saban's running a great program like we've had that,
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you know, Pete Carroll's great Ohio State has won four
straight Big Ten titles. Oklahoma and Clemson won sixth straight
A CEC and Big Twelve championships. Um, so there's not
you're not getting that competitiveness in the in the in
the in each league. And the belief is that more
and more kids, especially now they've watched six seven years
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of this from all of the country are just flocking
to the same four five teams and recruiting, and that's
shown in recruiting rankings because they get in the postseason.
So it's kind of like self fulfilling. And so you
can almost look next year and say, ah, it's gonna
be Alabama, Clemson and in Ohio State and then who's
gonna be four in the Oklahoma's gonna Knowiname or whatever. So, uh,
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there's a couple of different things that are either going
to happen or will happen. Number one would be other
schools stepping up. What's not uh exonerate any of them.
You know, USC could be better, Florida State, Texas Ore
in Miami, Florida. These schools have in the past been
national level players and they can get back into that
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if they start doing well. So that would certainly help UM.
But I think that expanding the playoff to eight teams,
allowing five all five of the major conferences and and
probably one of the Group of five or whatever you
want to call them, to get an automatic bid to
this playoff would allow more regional Competitian leagues such as
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the Pac twelve, which haven't been in this thing for
four consecutive years would have a path, It would have
a path to play. Their regular season would matter more.
Things like that. Um, you wouldn't be a kid growing
up in l a And saying no, the only way
really I can play in a playoff is to go
to the Southeastern Conference. So that's one. UH. Name, image
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and likeness is going to change recruiting a great deal,
and I believe it will spread the talent out around
the country as money becomes an issue above the table. UH.
And the transfer market is UH is going to be
a big thing as kids can now transfer without penalty.
So you have a couple of major things coming. Um.
I think the playoffs expand the playoff and it would
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help out create more competitive balance. What we really need
to do is spread out the talent and encourage a
little bit more parity in where the talent goes around
the country, which you see in obviously in professional sports,
but even in other college sports like college basketball where
book Gonzaga bail. It's not just Kentucky and Duke that
are that are really good. In fact, they rarely win
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the championship. Well, it's interesting. The college basketball comparison is interesting. UM,
and maybe this is This is a later piece that
you will you and I should work together on. I
think college basketball has changed forever. Like you look at
the number of Big Ten teams as well as the
Gonzagas of the world, but the Big Ten. The reason
that the Big Ten is perfectly positioned for now and
(22:29):
the short term future of basketball is the one and
done is a gift and a curse. Right now that
you know five or so of the top recruit kids
are going to that G League select thing now a
sudden Kentucky's, even when they do get a spectacular recruiting class,
they're not the same level of dominance that they used
to be. The top recruits are kind of spread out
(22:49):
a little bit, so then the schools that retain kids
the most and the longest are the most successful. And
that's what the Big Ten is. In football, I think
it's I think it's different. There was a there was
a chance when the Big East was rolling. I think
that change and hurt programs that used to recruit in
the in the New Jersey area or whatever. But I
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think that football is because kids aren't one and done
and because they have to go for three years, that
the Alabama's of the world and the you know, and
the secs in the Ohio States, they're able to recruit
a little bit more depth at that top level, and
they're almost on people. In addition to the fact that like, look,
the reality is, you don't have the bodies and the
(23:32):
West Coast, you know, for defensive lineman, you'll you'll you'll
have quarterbacks, you'll have wide receivers, you might have running backs.
You don't outside of you know, some of the kids
that come from the Polynesian kids, you just don't have
those bodies. Kids that are six five to six eight,
they play basketball, they play volleyball. They're moving away from football,
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whereas in the Southeast and Texas, in Florida and in
parts of the Midwest, it's still really big and kids
are gonna always want to play close to home and
they always want to go play for a winner. Well
did I go too long there? No, No, I don't know.
Let mean say, it's obviously basketball football two different sports.
So you have that. I agree with you. These the
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one and done in basketball has changed because a lot
of fans look at recruiting the wrong way because they
see five star or he's a McDonald's All Americans well,
there's twenty thirty kids in the McDonald's Americans. That's like
the difference in basketball. It's like saying who's the number
one pick and who's the number thirty player. It's a
difference between having Kevin duran and Andre Drummond on your team. Okay,
(24:37):
Andre Dumond's a real nice player, but he's not Kevin Durant.
So the top five matter, and it matters in football too.
You look at it in football, he said, well, you know,
the Jets fans are are upset because they're only gonna
get the fourth best player, the second best player at
the first It matters, right, Um, you look, you can
have really good teams in the West coast. It wasn't
(24:57):
long ago the USC and Oregon were dominating the country.
So you know, I think you can get those guys.
What we have seen is at last year in the
class of the number one number two players in the
state of California went to Clemson and Alabama, respectively. But
now they look they're now they're both they're both quarterbacks.
I mean just just you know, like and and one
(25:17):
was set to go to USC and he changed his mind, right,
the other ones, the backup at at Clemson and you
know to be to be fair, USC appears to be
fine at quarter quarterbacks not the issue. But ahead, I'm sorry,
but I mean I don't I don't think you can.
I think West Coast teams can build great teams. Still,
it's not that long ago that USC and Oregon played
(25:37):
in the in the first playoff, right, But I do
think that the elite player and kicks from other parts
of the country who would be willing to go there
because who doesn't want to live in in l A
or something like that, aren't seeing that because you're not
having you're you're not having any success. The PAC twelve
is irrelevant on a national level, so the ability to
(25:57):
go recruit you need more access. And I understand that,
like when you think about how do we have better competitiveness,
you don't expand a playoff when you look at this
season and go, there's probably only two teams that are
any good. But it creates a long term ability to
build because making a playoff would matter, winning a game
would matter, Hosting a game would matters. I agree, I'm sorry,
(26:20):
en Up. I agree that it would make you know
it that having conference champions not go to the college
football playoff runs counter to what college football has always
told us, which is our regular season matters, right and
your regular season would matter more is if if whoever
wins your conference goes to the championship. There's there's two
problems with that, and I do think that the three
(26:42):
extra largest could one that you know, if you have
an upset, like if a Northwestern beats and Ohio State
last week, like yeah, now we gotta take Northwestern in
the playoffs, right, or whoever wins the Pack twelve if
it's not the like yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Secondly, if
you don't qualify for that eight the number, everybody's gonna
get fired, like and there's been massive chance, massive turnover.
(27:05):
The fight for eight would be so great, whereas now, yeah,
the bull games don't really matter, but half of those
bull teams end up their season with a win, which
allows teams to developed players, coaches to feel better, boosters
and like it all kind of does work because the
reality is there are four or five teams that are
better than everybody else every year and we don't really miss,
(27:27):
like we didn't miss this year. Could you have taken
a and M sure sure? Uh? Could you have taken
us since THENNI probably whatever, and and but the fact
is that we know who the best teams are. We
we just don't we just don't lie to anybody about
in college football. I mean that's fine, but in the
long term of building that out, it can't just be
the same teams every year. And so if you could
(27:49):
sit there and say, hey, Gonzaga was never the number one,
number one of the top teams when they started making
in save basketball tournters, but they slowly built it up.
Villanova was never the number one team. It may never
have been the number I mean, you know, barely ever,
they've won more championships than Kentucky. Uh, you know, they
were the second time they wanted they were the number
(28:11):
one team. But that first, like you know, I was like,
it's a nice program, but they can't really compete with Well,
you build up and you build up, and you build up,
and you you offer. But the other things on this
that will happen the name of a genlightness I think
will spread out that top talent because if you are
(28:33):
the big you know right now that the number one
the top reasons kids go places quality of coach in
the program and location. You talk about that well, when
you throw money into the equation, that can just like
in in pro sports or in just regular jobs, that
can change the the the geography problem a place like
(28:53):
being the quarterback at the University of Nebraska. You are
the biggest sports star in the entire state. Talking about name,
maybe likeness, possibilities, it's considerable at at a Nebraska. Does
Nebraska gonna beat Alabama for every single recruit? Of course
not are they going to beat them for half? No,
but could they beat them for a couple yes, well,
(29:13):
right now they never do. Let alone a Boise State
or a Michigan state or or wherever. Every school has
got some money. Every school's got a market, and I
think if you distribute out the talent a little bit better,
more teams are good. There's more unpredictability and you don't
just have this kind of stockpiling of it in the
Game's Friday. Between two thousand sixteen and two thousand and twenty,
(29:37):
the classes, these five classes which players are in Alabama
signed twenty two five star players. According to Rival Rivals
has about thirty kids a year who are five stars.
That's the first round draft pick, if you will, If
you compare it to an NFL two, Notre Dame has two.
There is no competition in terms of talent between Alabama
(29:59):
and Notre Dame. Order Dame is a hell of a program.
They're really good, they got a really good coach, they
got a really good tradition, they spend tons of money,
but they're completely outclassed in talents. If you spread that
out and all of a sudden, it's fourteen five stars
for for Alabama and four for an a's at least
a little bit better. Right. The problem the problem with that, Dan,
(30:20):
and and look, it's it's it's obviously that that part
of the future, which I know you've kind of fought
for for years, is in fact here. The problem with
that is one that would mean that Alabama wouldn't be
able to match in terms of name image. You're like
this that you're right in terms of like look with
the argument you're making, huh and don't know? And and look,
(30:40):
by the way, it's the same argument I've I've actually
made when you don't pay a guy, Because if your
quarterback in Nebraska and you don't make it, and you
handle yourself the right way, you can make fivefold the money.
As you know, I mean like my Man Davis. We
get my Man Davison called one freaking pass and he's
(31:00):
the voice of Nebraska basketball and football, right. I mean,
that's that's that's the reality of it, um. But the
problem with it is the real money is in and
the real passion is for the NFL, and the belief
is that you go there, you win, you go. It's
like a direct It's just a way station for the NFL.
And and that's that's what the kids are after. Its location,
(31:22):
it's promotion, it's path through the NFL. And if I
can make some pocket change along the way, yes, I
I think that'll be. You bring up Notre Dame Dan
Wetzel joining us Yahoo Sports super talented. Not only Calumness
also authors Shich picked up his kids books as well.
How important is it for Notre Dame to UH to
have a good showing? So it's it's really important. I
(31:45):
think I will say this though with the caveat. We
have gone through a ten years of these games with
Brian Kelly and watched them get absolutely smoked. They lost
the Albam, they lost the Clemson, They lost like they
got crushed by a Miami in a big high regular
season games. His program is so solid that other than
one year, they just keep going. No, no, I know that,
I know that, but and like they're not gonna fall
(32:08):
off the faith here. But yeah, a forty two to
three game it takes a very exciting season for them
and makes it miserable. There's no question, and it's back
to the drawing board, and there is no drawing board.
How do you match the talent of these couple of
teams and you just can't. Notre Dame is not going
to have that kind of talent that Alabama and clemonson
(32:29):
at half. It's there's just no way they're going to
recruit that level at this point. So how do you
work this out? They need to get the truly elite
quarterback or something like that. They can get that guy
at Notre Dame. They could have gotten a kid like
Trevor Lawrence to goo there, you're gonna just be able
to line up twenty five stars. I mean, you know,
Alabama's a machine right now that Notre Dame has never
(32:50):
read I ever reached that since the nineteen fifties or something.
You know, in the old days, Notre Dame would have
never had to play a rematch game against Clemson, and
they may have gotten like a lucky old game because
of bowld tie ins, and they might have been able
to crown themselves national champions. This is an error precision
that you have to earn it now and they don't
have that ability. So in terms of perception program, yeah,
(33:11):
they they if they're if this is a good game,
that's a that's a big moral victory for that program.
If they get swamped again, a really good season for
Notre Dame. And with another you know, I think very
very sour caase in everyone's mouth of just like we're
not good enough to to really get there, and the
problem is other than other than Clemson and maybe Ohio State,
(33:32):
nobody is good enough to get there. Great stuff as always, Dan,
enjoy the games, have a happy new year, and thanks
so much for joining us any time. Man, take care
of you all right. Um, that is Dan Wetzel from
Yahoo's Sports. This is the Doug Otlip Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. And you know, like, look, there's a
bunch of interesting parts to that discussion which I want
(33:54):
to kind of get back to, which um to me is,
you know, it just it's fast thing that college basketball.
The reason you can compete if you don't have all
the elite recruits is because you have more age, right
you have Wisconsin has starts to two year old starters
college football. Even Alabama you gotta stay there for three years,
(34:15):
you know, post high school graduation, so it's harder to compete.
Just say hey, we're we're older, Get old and stay
old is the is the college basketball expression. This is
the Doug Gotlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Trader get
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(34:59):
Is game high side? On the Doug Gottlieb Show, Bryan Finley,
what he got for me like our game is real news?
Fake news? So, Doug, we are about to have the
sequel Mason Rudolph against Miles Garrett. You remember what happened
(35:21):
last time when Garrett pulled off Rudolph's helmet and tried
to swing it at the quarterback's head. Well now, Steeler's
head coach Mike Tomlin said that he is addressing this
matter with Rudolph moving forward and going into this game
as they meet up both teams in week seventeen, the
Steelers and Browns, and that he wants to see where
(35:44):
his head at, his head is at as far as
Rudolph is that real or fakes you are fake news,
that is correct. Both head coaches Kevin Stefanski of Cleveland
and Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said they are not dressing
it and they have moved past it. That that that
that sounds all good. If I'm Mason Rudolph, I want
(36:06):
to kick his ass like he he said again, if
and I will take Mason Rudolf only at his word,
but everybody else like literally the only person who on
earth who says he heard what he says, and and
and by the way, he didn't say it until like
a week later, like a week later. He's when he
was trying to not get in trouble with the league.
(36:27):
And then he kind of double back down on it
six months later when no one else had his back
on it, like, look, if I'm Mason Rudolf and somebody
said I said that about another man in the National
Football League, and I played for a black head coach,
and I have teammates of all races, like I, I
so badly want to win this game. And I you know, like, bro,
you just unless you know, unless you absolutely hurt him.
(36:49):
You actually heard it, like I have no time for
Mason Rudolph, but that is I think he's um. I mean,
if I'm mas Ruof, I gotta win this game. Yeah,
a new question about it. Johnny manziel Has has certainly
dealt with his own issues on the field and off.
He has not played in the NFL since two thousand
and fifteen. You remember, recently, Doug he trashed the spring
(37:13):
leagues and football and said he's beyond that. He's moving
forward with his life. He's retired, dude, he told even TMZ.
But according to ESPN, he has some interest in this
new upstart league. It's a seven on seven venture called
the Fan Controlled Football League, where the fans can set rosters,
call plays, and interact with the players in a variety
(37:35):
of different ways. Is that fake? Is that really there?
And they're spectacular. Yeah, crazy to think that. Just a
couple of months ago, Doug that Johnny was cornered by
TMZ and he said, I'm retired, dude, no more football
for me. But here he goes again. He wants to
give it, give it a crack and check out this
(37:56):
upstart league. What else? So, Russell Westbrook, is this real
or fake? He tagged every one of his players with
the Wizards in an Instagram post and even put up
an MLK quote after Washington dropped to ohen four to
start the season. Real news, They're real and they're spectacular. Yeah,
(38:19):
despite three triple doubles so far for Rest Westbrook, oh
for four for Washington and then Trevor Bauer did he
call out John Haymond after a disputed report about a contract?
Is that fake? Is that real? Real news? They're real
and they're spectacular. This is game time on the Dug
(38:43):
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