A New Name In Washington And Bad News For Russell Westbrook

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rice Stir on Twitter, the six year NFL VET at
George rice Stir and George. The big, big story of
the day is obviously the official change or the soon
to be change on the Washington football team retiring the
nickname and logo of the Redskins. This was the statement

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that was released earlier today. Now, there were reports last
night that the Redskins were ready to change their name
and retire that nickname. And we heard in a statement
today or red in a statement to day, and I'll
read it to you right now. Quote on July three,
we announced the commencement of a thorough review of the
team's name. That review has begun in earnest and as

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part of this process, we want to keep our sponsors, fans,
and community apprised of our thinking as we go forward.
Today we are announcing we will be retiring the Redskins
name and logo upon completion of this review. Dan Snyder
and Coach Rivera are working closely to develop a new
name and design approach that will enhance the standing of

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our proud, tradition, rich franchise and inspire our sponsors, fans,
and community for the next one years. And seeing the
response and reading the response of this statement, there are
people who are critical of some of the wordage that
was used in this statement, specifically the word of sponsors.

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But you do have to realize that the reason that
this issue is where it is right now is because
of sponsors. It is the only reason why Dan Snyder
decided to change the name of his football team. Because
we had heard from Dan Snyder previously saying things would
never change. We had had this issue over the last
thirty years, and it wasn't until those sponsors, specifically FedEx

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and they're UH founder who had a minority share in
the Washington football team, saying that they do not stand
for the name anymore. It is with Nike not putting
up Washington Redskins gear on their site. This is the
reason why the change happened. So I I just I
don't know how you can't mention the sponsors in all

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of this, because that was the reason that this change
ended up happening. So now when you look at the
statement and what's going to happen with the Washington Redskins
and what's gonna happen with this new name going forward,
there are some other issues that they have to figure
out Washington Football Club, maybe for we don't know if
there's gonna be a new nickname for this for the
beginning of the season, But the simple fact of there

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could be hurdles that this team is currently battling through
to try to figure out copyright situations and trademark situations
that pre existed before this change came about. A way
that they may want to go may not allow them
to easily take on a new nickname. So there are
other hurdles. But what is most surprising in all of this,

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and we can put as much on the shoulders of
Dan Snyder as he could possibly handle, but what is
amazing to me in all of this is, throughout the
years of of US criticizing Washington as a football team
and as a program for for the wrongs that had happened,
the dysfunction that seems to happen in the front office.

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We thought that maybe things were making a change when
Bruce Allen moves out and now Ron Rivera comes in
as the head coach and there seems to be a
new era. Why in the world is Ron Rivera, who
hasn't even been a head coach of the football team
for a year, what maybe six months? Why is Ron
Rivera now tasked with coming up with a new nickname

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with the team's owner. It's it's it. It doesn't make sense,
and it shows you just when the more things change
in the National Football League, and the more things change
with Dan Snyder and his Washington football team, the more
they absolutely stay the same. Think about this. This issue

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has been going on for thirty plus years, probably even
more than thirty years. There have been calls to change
this nickname forever. As I mentioned Dan Snyder before said,
it's not gonna happen in my lifetime. Sorry, it's not
going to happen. You're not gonna have a name change.
Sponsors end up taking their money away, so Snyder has
a name change. How in the world does this Ron

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Rivera's problem to now come up with a name change?
Pro Football Talks. Mike Florio even said today and speaking
with some writers who cover the Washington football team, that
part of the movement to bring Ron Rivera in when
Ron Rivera came in was one of the message was
to try to aid to get Dan Snyder to make
this change, which to me, which is to me is

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is absurd. And to think that Ron Rivera now, aside
from all of the other things that he has to
figure out whatever having a practice with his players in
this pandemic and trying to figure out who is starting
quarterbacks going to be? Is Dwayne Haskins going to be
the future? How is Chase Young going to incorporate as
he's the second overall pick all of these things going

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on with the Washington Redskins. It is amazing to think
that now he is being tasked with the duty of
coming up with a new nickname for the football program.
George Rice, I bring you in after that filibuster for
the simple fact of it is just absurd that Ron
Rivera is now being drug into this whole situation and

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the more things change, the more they seem to stay
the same. With Dan Snyder's team, Dude, he is the beard.
He is the black friend, the Native American friend, the
minority voice. He's yet we got we got Ron Ron Rivera,
Like it's preposterous because he is by the way that

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read it was like he was the diversity committee. And
in reality, unless your coaches Bill Belichick or your coaches
you know, Mike Tomlin. Aside from that, no other coach
should really have a whole bunch of input on on
the team name because they haven't even been there that long.
Ron Rivera, like you said, hadn't coached the game, hasn't

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coached a snap nothing. And this is a dude that
you might fire a year from now, as we've seen
Dan Snyder do. So, why of the list of people
that should have a voice, and in saying what the
name should be changed to, you have Dan Dan Snyder

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very very high on the list Native American tribes. You
should have people, I mean, if you want to stay
in that sort of lane, um, you should have the
minority owners, maybe even the players have a voice. All
before you even get to Ron Rivera, because he's new.

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I mean This is the definition of of trying of
like you having to make a a quality choice about
your family. Where is your family going going to live?
And you go and ask somebody who just walks by
your by your house, the the gardener who just stops
by and tries to sell you something, as opposed to

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the people who live in your house, your family, your friends,
your close trusted advisers. This is all for publicity and
it's a bad look ultimately because it's pretty disingenuous. You know.
Doug Williams uh is a member of the Redskins front office.
He's the his title now Senior Vice President of Player Development. Um.

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He seems to be a Dan Snyder Uh maybe a
right hand man. There's other Rob Rodgers is the senior
VP of football Administration. But it is so striking to
put Ron Rivera's name out there as well, because the
history of what's going on with the football team over
the last fifteen years. UM, when you look at when

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you look at the tenure of Bruce Allen and the
head coaches that have been there, there isn't necessarily um
smooth relationships. And I'm understating at all the head coach
and general manager in the the president of the operations
didn't necessarily seem to be on the same page in
a variety of tenures. So now Bruce Allen moves out, George,

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and you're thinking, like, all right, maybe now the head
coach can kind of have his way to direct that
team like that was that was you had a front
office going one way, you had a coach going the
other way. Now there's no front office. Maybe you're gonna
take the direction of the head coach. And for you,
So I got a question for you. If Ron Rivera
were not a minority, if he were Bill Callahan, Jay Gruden, uh,

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Mike's Shanahan or Jim Zorn, would he have an input
on on the team name? I don't think so. What
what would they have put his name in the press
release at least? Um? Yeah, you know, I don't don't
think so. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, Yeah, I

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don't I don't think so. Yeah. The and the and
the point is is this is this is why it's
the point I was making, George, was this is why
it's so like shocking and appalling, is that you couldn't
you couldn't get the front office in your game, your
head coach on the same page for anything. Seemingly over

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the last few years, you took r G three and
Kirk Cousins in the same draft. I mean, this is
something is not right here, something is not matching up.
When you now finally have maybe a way for a
head coach to kind of run his plan, to do
his thing, to set his course, now you're taking him
away from that to figure out to figure out a

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new name. It's just it, It is so dysfunctional that
they can't even get seemingly get this right. I know
that you're saying like praying out there, but there's there's
other levels to it as well of just you finally
actually maybe have clarity in an organization and you're gonna
follow one direction. But now you can't even let the
guy leading that direction be able to take of his
time and focus on that. Oh so we're supposed to

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believe that Daniel Snyder, who has really not paid attention
to well, he's marched to his own beat and hasn't
really paid attention to the echoes of people around him.
It is about the name change, about who should be
the quarterback, about draft picks. He stampeded his way around

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because We got worried last year that Jake Gruden wasn't
even in love with Dwayne Haskins, but the owner wanted
him in Daniel Snyder. So at some point in time,
with this name change and all that, we're supposed to
believe that now Daniel Snyder is going to you know,
have a democratic situation or some or be open to

(12:34):
listening to other people's opinion aside from the one that
he wants. I am I supposed to believe that, Well,
I know you don't. I know you don't. I know
you don't, but I know you think that it's going
to be a one man decision. But as you said,
like there's like like Ron Rivera is being brought into
this when there's there's no really reason that he that

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he should be and maybe it ultimately will be Dan
Snyder's uh decision. But you know, as as you pointed
out that Dan Snyder is standing there and saying, look
who's standing next to me. It's Ron Rivera. So while
Ron Rivera has to stand next to Dan Snyder and
play this role, it takes him away from focusing on

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the football team that he's got to figure out how
to wait a way to navigate the NFC East. And
that's what's that's what's so striking to me, and even
all the Dan Snyder has brought, you know, other people
out there and figures out for to try to prove points.
And this is possibly another one, but when you're actually
trying to look at the football organization of moving forward,
now he's actually hurting. He's he's still hurting his franchise

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while the franchise is taking a step forward with their
branding and naming by taking away his head coach from
the duties that he actually should. And unless you think
that Rivera is still focused wholly on the team, and
I know that they put his name in the press release,
I just think that that now Ron Rivera has gotta
answer questions about it. He was asked questions about it.
He's got to be a part of this. So now

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it's going to be a whole big deal that Ron
Rivera can't focus on the football team. Hey, the more
things change, the more they stay the same. In Washington,
He's George rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer, George the six
year NFL VET. Find him on Twitter at George rice Stir.
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big name in the NBA has tested positive for COVID nineteen.
Brian Finley will have more on that at the bottom
of the hour. Right now, we talk football in all
different ways. Former NFL and Florida State quarterback now a
part of Mad Dog Radio on Syria six M and
CBS Sports. Danny Cannell joins this here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. Hey Danny, how's here Monday going so far? Uh? Fantastic, Dan, George,

(15:30):
good to be hones with you. Guys. Man, it's Monday.
We're making it. You know, the world hasn't We haven't
seen arm againton yet. I mean it feels sometimes at
the end of the world, but we're still here. Knock
on wood day. Oh man. Our armageddon in college football
seems to be Uh, it's fast approaching. I want to
start in the NFL because George and I started the
show talking about the name changed for the now Washington

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football team as the Redskins nickname and logo is being retired.
Is this an unfair spot for Ron Rivera to be
put in? That's what George and I were debating. He's
a new head coach, He's coming in now. His name
is in the press releases, Dan Snyder doing Ron Rivera
right by all this, Um, I think people are put

(16:14):
in positions at the right time, at the right place.
You know. I'm a bigger I'm a believer that in,
you know, just kind of the bigger picture destiny that
people are put in positions for a reason, and I
think Ron Rivera is actually the perfect person to be
in this situation. And yeah, it was probably a little
bit on failed that Daniel Snyder has been out of

(16:34):
the country and hasn't been really the face of this franchise.
But I don't think we would have seen this change
if Ron Rivera wasn't the head coach right now of
this Washington franchise. So from that standpoint, I say, thank
goodness that Ron Rivera is there. And I think it's
you know, it's awesome. I don't know about you, guys.
I look at this situation and I feel it's kind

(16:55):
of bitter sweet because I think all of us can
agree that is something that should have happened a long
time ago. But I wish, like I wish that Daniel
Snyder wasn't forced to do this because this is all
about money. I mean, that's why he's changing the name.
It's because he was pressured to do so, and he's
been pressured to do so. But it wasn't until there
was gonna be significant financial ramifications that he decided to

(17:18):
change his mind. So I wish that it had taken
place in the circumstance where Daniel Snyder himself saw how
wrong it was to be profiting off this you know,
horrific um, you know, racial slur that they've used since
nineteen thirty three. But instead, here we are where somebody's
been forced to change, And I don't know if Daniel

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Snyder has really changed himself. So I'm glad we're at
where we are. I just don't like where, like the
bigger picture of why it happened, Like I wish it
had happened truly from a good place, And I don't
know if I can say that, Um, Danny, I'm looking
at all the stuff that's happening, not only in pro football,
would name name change, Roger Gerdale speaking out all all

(18:03):
of this, like, but I look at it on the
hills of it's so important for us to like, I
wish sports would come come back. I'm not going to
get a debate about whether you know, it's safe and
all of that, but just in theory, it feels like
that sports could be used as such a healing um
thing in this time. Amen to that. I mean, I

(18:26):
absolutely agree with you, George and I look at, you know,
where our country, you know, could use some healing is
when people because right now we are just divided. I
think we can all agree we are divided. I mean,
we are facing the biggest challenge that our country has seen,
probably in my lifetime, in our lifetime, with this pandemic

(18:48):
that we're trying to beat, and we can't even get
on the same page. Right We're all like, well, you know, well,
and it's been politics. There's no denying that that it's
been politicized itself. But when I look at what brings
people together in this country, it is around sporting events
and when you are out there and you're watching special

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moments unfold. Take a Super Bowl for instance, when and
you might not even have a team that you're rooting for,
but when you're watching a Super Bowl and you're watching
the New England Patriots down three to the Atlanta Falcons
and all of a sudden there's a monster comeback, we
all kind of come together to watch that moment. Whether
we love it as the Patriots came back, or we

(19:31):
hate it, but we all kind of congregate together. Same
thing when the Philadelphia Eagles make a run and you know,
all of a sudden, Nick Foles is his backup and
it becomes this story in the nation, gravitate story and
we all kind of watch together when we see Lebron
James in a you know, historic battle with the Golden
State Warriors and an NBA finals, we all come together

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and we can argue about those things, whether Lebron is
the greatest, and we don't we walk away and we
don't hate each other, you know what. That's the I
think sports do. It brings us together with more of
a sense of community. And that's where I think our
nation could really use some healing right now because of
all the devices and the device than this that's going

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on around us. That's where I feel like sports can
be a great uniter and that's why I'm with you.
I really hoped that we do get to see the
NBA pull off the season successfully. The MLB and NFL.
I really hope we get to that point, but it's
very much up in the air right now. Danny Canal
joining us here on the Doug Gottlip Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Buyer. He's George rice Stir

(20:34):
sitting in for Doug. Today, we had Fred Smoot George
and I do a show on Sundays here on Fox
Sports Radio, and we had Fred Smoot on yesterday talking
about a variety of issues with the with the nickname,
and he said that when he was a player and
he went to Washington, he didn't understand that. Champ Bailey
kind of had to say, like, yeah, there's gonna be
some protesters out here about the about the nickname, but

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the one nickname in sports that seems to be supported
is at the university that you played at at Florida
State in the Seminal Nation. What did you learn or
what what were their efforts to to inform you, to
to teach you lessons about the Seminal Nation. Was there
anything going on at Florida State with that, with their
relationship in that tribe? You know? I mean I played

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at Florida State in the early nineties, you know, so
two to ninety six Tallahassee, and it was a different era, right,
There wasn't massive uproar if there was a name that
was even remotely controversial. Um. But what I did get
to see was the relationship that Florida State had with

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the Seminole tribe. Like I've met actual Seminole Tribe members
that were massive Florida State fans, and they would come
up to me, whether it was at a fan fest
or a bowl um banquet or a postseason banquet, and
they would come up and they would be thanking us
for representing the Semild tribe the way we did. And

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I think the thing that Florida State has done, which
I wish every organization would have done, was got the
approval of the tribe that they're using the name of
I mean they and they. It was a very smart move,
and I don't know who actually did it, but back
in two thousand five, there was actually a resolution that
was passed by the Seminole Tribe of Florida that said,

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we are all in. We are completely supportive of Florida
State using our name, our logo, our images, anything that
we wanted to use. And Florida State conversely said, we
appreciate it. If you guys ever change your stance, we'd
be willing to reevaluate. And it's been a really healthy relationship.

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And I saw the pride that Seminal Tribe members um
had because they had a team that they can call
their own. And that's the one thing I think that
Daniel Snyder missed out on when he bought the team
in He could have made a change then and change
the name and include did the Native Americans that have
felt slidened and that were slandered for so long with

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a name that was offensive to them, where he could
have made a partnership and brought people together. Instead, he
gave everyone the middle finger and said, we're never changing
the name of the Washington Redskins, and here we are today.
So I feel like it was a massive miss massive
missed opportunity for Daniel Snyder, and instead of that being
his legacy, his legacy is going to be somebody that

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was forced to do something that he really didn't want
to amen to that, uh, Danny, And moving on to
college football for a second, Okay, So I saw the
writing on the wall about the IVY League moving their
season to the spring because they prepped us for it
about a week prior, and then I had already kind

(23:46):
of been accepting that college football season was either going
to move to the spring or potentially may not happen
at all. And I know that you said that you
hope that the Power five and Group of five commissioners
would wait to make the call. But what you think
about these conference only schedules, and do you think it
will work with the travel in and all that, George,

(24:09):
I think anybody is crazy that says they know for
sure what we can pull off and what we can
There's just so much unknown. I don't even think the
best doctors in our country could tell you with certainty
the way to pull this stoff, or else we would
probably be trying to find that. Ultimately, I do feel
we are just kicking the can down the road, right,
We're just buying time. But I'm okay with that. Like it.

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But but here's the caveat. If you told me for
sure that without a shadow of a doubt we could
move the football season to the spring and pull it
off without a hitch, I think every commissioner in the country,
and every athletic director and every coach would sign up
for it. But we we don't know where we're gonna
be in January. We still don't know what the vaccine

(24:53):
will be ready. We don't know if the cases will
be on the on the rise or the decline. We
don't know if there's going to be a second wave.
So there's way too much unknown So that's why I'm
okay with the Power five and Group of five trying
to at least see if it's feasible in the fall,
because then you go to the backup, last resort plan

(25:14):
of the spring, which still may not happen. Um, So
I think I'm okay with that. And then when you
go to the non conference schedule, um, you know, eliminating
nonconference teams, Basically that is about buying even more time,
because if you eliminate three to four games, you don't
have to start the season the first week of September.
You could push it back all the way potentially the

(25:36):
first week of October. So again, you buy yourself a
month to see where we are as in a country
with cases, are they on the decline and the curve
and all these terms that we've that we never used
a year ago. All of a sudden we could get
a better grasp of where we sit and where we
stand in our battle versus the coronavirus. So it might
be kicking the can down the road, and ultimately we

(25:58):
might be forced to move all all football until the spring.
But until then, I'm okay with these you know, commissioners
trying to buy as much time as they can to
see if they can pull it off. Who would have
thought March madness do Kentucky on the hardwood? L s
U Alabama on the gridiron. Yeah, that's what we could
be facing this spring. Danny Canal, former NFL quarterback QB

(26:18):
at Florida State, now CBS Sports and Mad Dog Radio
on Sirius XM. Danny, we appreciate it, and I know
Doug will be back and glad to talk to you again,
but we appreciate your time today. Thanks so much, Dan,
I appreciate it. Thank you. George, good talking to you. Yep. Thanks,
He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure
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(26:39):
week days at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. It
is the Doug gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And yeah, if it wasn't for Washington announcing that they
are retiring the nickname and logo of the Redskins, Uh,
the Russell Westbrook headline is the one that would definitely
dominate sports today. And and George, I think it's we've
We've heard of athletes to Roldis Chapman of the Yankees.

(27:01):
You know, we've um, you know, Kevin Durant when he
wasn't playing, uh ends up, you know, announcing that that
he tested positive. We know that the NBA shut the
league down. But now the Russell Westbrook positive test. I
don't know if it hits home, but it seems to
feel a little different. As we're about two and a
half weeks at the start of the NBA season. Yeah,
this one hit a little different. Um. And he put

(27:23):
out a statement he said that he tested positive prior
to going down to Orlando. He's quarantined and feeling well
all that, and I just it was I when I
told my son about it this this morning when it
came out. He's fourteen, he's going to going to high school,
and well, high school is being school school l A U.

(27:44):
S is not opening up. But um, he he said, well, uh,
he was shocked. And because we talked about the coronavirus
and you know everybody does at home, and not in
a sense of being scared of it in death, but
that it can affect your your life. And I told
him this is why we have to be careful because son,

(28:08):
if you get it, you can't go work out, we
can't go to the store, we can't go do this
that you gotta stay in your room all And he
was like, Wow, I don't want that. And I think
it put it in perspective for him to say, I
am going to make sure I'm vigilant the way I
don't mess up my my life. And if you look

(28:28):
at it in the NBA terms, you're saying, whoa other
big name players could test positive and depending on when
he does, when he tests negative again, he could. He's
not necessarily likely at this point to be in danger
for missing the restart, but he could, which would affect
so much. Yeah, I mean with with the Western Conference

(28:51):
kind of being up in the air. We'll get to
what happened with the Lakers a little bit later on
in the show, but you got the you know, the
Rondo injury now and Avery Bradley is not gonna be
there and you're trying to figure out new pieces and
and now all of a sudden, if you're the Rockets
trying to make that push and you don't have you know,
Russell Westbrook for those couple of games that you know, hopefully, uh,
you know, fingers crossed that these stays you know, asymptomatic

(29:12):
and and is healthy, but you don't. You just don't
know with this, and that's that's one of the I
think issues that we have in when we look at this,
we say, well, no one was hospitalized from this college,
and no one's been hospitalized, but there still could be
someone that ends up showing symptoms. And when you're talking
about your fourteen year old of having to stay away
from people, it's a decision. I brought it up with

(29:33):
Doug before, where there was I was gonna go back
home on a trip to visit my family and uh,
like I do every summer. And you know, my wife
basically says to me, yeah, if you do, you you
we uh, we probably can't be around each other for
a while because she takes care of her father's and
his you know, middle late seventies. And so I'm now
trying to weigh all, right, now, is it worth not

(29:55):
seeing my wife for two weeks? You know? Obviously not,
you know, so so you're trying to These are all
decisions that on the surface, when you say, well, this
person didn't you know, test positive, there are no hospitalizations.
It goes further down the line on that, and this
is just a basket, you know, and you and I
could just talk basketball reasons on why it couldn't affect
the Western Conference, you know, like I just gosh, this happens.

(30:17):
There's a couple of Nuggets players reporting, and now we're wondering, jeez,
are you know, as there were a reason why we
found out Kenny Jansen of the Dodgers didn't report because
he tested positive. There's yeah, this is this one. I
thought was surprised, you know, not surprising by it, but yeah,
it did. Just it felt different because now there's there's
so many other things, maybe not as important things at stake,
but now you're talking about playing games and and what

(30:39):
the future of this quote unquote bubble could look like.
But uh, but yeah, it's crazy. Well how do you
account for well, if you're the NBA, the NBA is
driven by stars. It's not driven by people who win games.
It's not you know, people don't like the Nuggets. I mean,
even though Yokick is uh the joker, joking is good,

(31:02):
but he's not Lebron James. He's not a name brand
player in the United States like that like to where
he's going to sell shoes, sell products, all of that.
So if you have one of your name brand players
out with COVID, like a Westbrook, after these eight games

(31:22):
are over, your playoffs are starting Western Conference Finals Eastern
Conference Finals? Do you postpone games and push them back
until everybody is healthy or at least your stars are healthy.
That way, you don't taint your championship or mess up
your stars being able to participate. You know, uh, you

(31:44):
know this is the tricky thing because you know, if
if guys are working out, more than likely, like if
you're doing in a somewhat workout team setting, we're also
Westbrook is gonna be around James Harden, you know. And
so now you're like, it's the issue with the offensive
lineman in the NFL. Somebody is saying, well, what about
it for aligneman test positive? You know, the guys that
they're in their alignement room with, are you know, the

(32:05):
entire offensive line that you're gonna So there are rippled
out effects. George, if if if somebody test positive in
the NBA while they're in the bubble, I have no
idea how it can affect their whole team and I'm
wondering if we're going to see a situation like we
saw with the MLS where teams are just kind of like,
you know what, I gotta drop out, you know, and

(32:28):
maybe that would be the NBA's fail safe of having
twenty two teams be there, of being like, Okay, this
team moves in because I just don't know how you
keep guys away from each other and do it, you know,
before what if it's the I mean, do you wait
or do you drop the Rockets out? Do you wait
or do you drop the Bucks out? I mean, if
you drop the Bucks, the Rockets, the Celtics, the Lakers,

(32:50):
or the Clippers, you you don't have the same championship
where people were talking about the asterisks that would be.
Now that's how you end up with an asterisk. I'll
try to make it as succinct as possible. If you
have an outbreak like that, they'll just shut it down.
They'll they'll completely shut it down. If you have an
outbreak on a team leading from right now up until

(33:11):
when the games are played, I think you can take
that team and remove that team. But I think once
the games are played, if you have an outbreak, the
league is going to be shut down. It's gonna be done.
I just I don't see them. I don't see them
trying to trying to just have a a title. I
just I don't think that that's possible. He's George rice Stir.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is Fox Sports Radio sitting in

(33:33):
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(33:56):
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(34:18):
welcome and what's the game today? Our game is big deal,
little deal, no deal? So here we go, guys. Dak
Prescott and the Cowboys no progress reaching a long term
deal before Wednesday's deadline, according to multiple reports, Is this
a big deal, little deal or no deal? George, I'm
gonna let you have this one to start out. Big deal,

(34:41):
little deal or no deal. This is a big deal
for the Cowboys and no deal for her. Literally no
deal for Dak Prescott because after the Patrick Mahomes deal,
he says, oh, oh, I see what the going price
he is and I see where everything is heading because
they wanted Dak Prescott to sign for now, but that

(35:03):
money TV money is going up in a couple of years,
and quarterbacks are going to be well aware of that.
Dak is going to get his coins this year, next year,
and as long as he stays healthy, he'll be making
forty plus million dollars in three years. You know that.
We hear a lot of people say like, why don't
you go to the Kirk Cousins route, And I just
don't think that every quarterback can do that. However, I

(35:25):
do think that Dak Prescott could do that because I
don't think that he and Kirk Cousins are that we're
that in in in such different situations. I know that
Dallas does want to keep Dak around long term. I'm
not sure how much Washington did, but they also knew
that they had a pretty good quarterback. It's just the
question of, uh, is he going to be great or

(35:47):
is he just always going to be pretty good? And
I think Dak is in that spot, and so I
would actually say, uh, you know, and I'll say no
deal with that as well, because there is going to
be no deal, no deal for in how about this
guy's at the American Century Championship Over the weekend, Packers
quarterback Aaron Rodgers chiming in on the likelihood of the

(36:08):
NFL in Here's what he had to say. I think
top of mind is that we're gonna have a season.
There's a lot of you know, a lot of things
yet to be figured out. We're hopeful what's with fans
and we can get all the testing procedures down the
way they wanted to for for the most amount of safety.
I think we're kind of just waiting for the league
in the PA to to figure some things out. So
George dan are his level of concerns, big deal, little deal,

(36:32):
no deal. I think they're a little deal, George, because
I think that is Aaron Rodgers speaking from the side
of the players Association. Seems to be their message seems
to be that they, you know, want to make sure
that testing is right. Um, I am going to say
little deal, but I think that the NFL is going
to do whatever they can to get a season in.
So this just goes. This seems to be on par

(36:53):
with the messages that we are hearing, So I'm saying
little deal. I would say it's a little deal as well,
because there it seems that no matter what the NFL
is going through, stampede its way and make sure that
it starts at season and it is nimble because it
is a professional league, so they can start and stop.

(37:15):
It's not like college football where you can't start and
stop because there's so many other things on the on
the calendar. But he is right about the big deal
about the testing. The testing has to be in place.
We've seen what happened with the MLB and there um
and their lack of testing, how that has turned into
a fiasco, and and that is what erodes the confidence

(37:39):
with the players, which may cost players to bow out.
And so for right now, it's a little deal because
there's still time. But once that, once that you get
about a week out like you did with MLB, once
players are coming back in tests aren't happening, then it
can get to be a big deal the game. This

(38:02):
is game time. On the Duck Gottlieb Show, George, did
you see the Oakley mouth shield? Thanks Brian, by the
way for big deal, little deal or no deal today?
Did you see the Oakley mouth shield? Yes? Okay? As
a player, would you want to wear that? Should? Do you? Do?
You have a choice? Is is the question? But said

(38:25):
the J. J. Watt has said that he wouldn't play
with you know a type of shield, so well, the
there is a specific reason why players don't want to
play with it. It's because it's hot in there. You
can't breathe when you have a mask, and that's why
some dudes don't wear face shield speriod. The NBA lost
a big star for a couple of weeks because of
COVID nineteen. How will that affect the rest of the bubble?

(38:47):
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(39:08):
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(39:29):
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And We're about two weeks and three days from the
start of the NBA season. Um, it seems like things
are kind of going well with the NBA and getting

(39:52):
things going. There was a Rockets player who inadvertently broke protocol,
so he had to be quarantined. But there is the
news of Russell Brook testing positive. Um, there's reports that
certain Nuggets players aren't there. But there's we knew that
there would be situations like this happening. George, I just
think that the Russell Westbrook just it it felt a
little different today than than maybe the other positive cases

(40:16):
that we have heard. Yeah, it was. It was different
because it's a superstar, and there's a difference between superstar
because they drive the ratings. Joining us now Fox Sports
one NBA analysts, also senior writer for The Bleacher Report
and the host of the podcast Buker and Friends. Rick
Bucker joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey, Rick,

(40:37):
how's your Monday going better than Russ Westbrook than the
Los Angeles Lakes? Yeah, let's let's let's dive into the
Westbrook deal. I know Mike D'Antoni said that it's gonna
be three or four days, but you may have heard
George and I just talking about it. We talked a
little bit about the last hour. This one feels a
little different. Should it feel a little different for us?
There's this just part of the expected things that we

(40:59):
were going to get as the NBA tries to resume
their season. Yes, certainly, it was one of the reasons
why they wanted to get guys in early. So that
you had something like this, it would uh, they have
opportunity to recover. I also, in one way, I don't
know that I'm being um, you know, the glass half full.

(41:20):
But this sends a signal to everybody, Hey, we're not
this is what's that. This is what's at stake. Uh,
you're gonna be out and you're going to negatively affect
your team's chances if you test positive. So while certainly
this didn't happen under the auspices presumably under the auspices

(41:42):
of of the NBA, it does underscore Hey, okay, so
we're here. We gotta take this seriously. Otherwise we could
have key players that are missing and we'll see how
how much that resonates. But I dare say there's a
part of the NBA just have guys like, as an example, Hey,

(42:02):
you know you could be you could be sidelined as
a result of this that it's it underscores what they're
hoping every approach that everybody will have. We haven't heard
any you know, punitive consequences if you do break the
bubble or anything like like that. Where in the um

(42:23):
MLB in Canada, the Blue Jay's face a set dollars
under the Canadian Quarantine Act. Are there any consequences that
players could face four breaking the bubble. I'm sure there
will be, But all of that is fluid, and it's
what makes this whole thing so fascinating because, look, we

(42:46):
have to we have to approach it from this viewpoint.
The league wants to complete the season. The league wants
to find a way, one way or another to complete
this season, largely because well not largely, largely because of
the revenue that's hanging there. Secondary secondly, that you can't

(43:07):
have next season unless you have a completion with this season.
It raises all sorts of questions in terms of where
your salary cap is, free agency, there's just a number
of elements where functioning next season is dependent on how
this season wraps up. So they want to find a way,

(43:28):
and uh so they're going to find a way. And
where that the they have. The gap that they have
to bridge is we need enough players available that this
has looked at as valid and that we can complete
the season. And at the same time we have to
reprimand anybody who is violating our ability to complete the season.

(43:54):
I say all that, which you know we're not going
to see suspensions, will see fine, but maybe you have
be fine, but they want everybody available. So but from
what I know from the page documents that they put
out there, there was nothing, uh, there was no definition
of what the repercussions would be for any sort of violation.

(44:16):
Rick Puker joining us here on the Doug Gilip Show.
He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for
Doug today. George and I talked a little bit about this,
and we're trying to figure out. You know, the MLS
resumed the last week and they had a you know,
they had to withdraw take a couple of teams out
because of positive tests. What is the NBA's protocol with that.
We were trying to do to determine what Adam Silver

(44:37):
just shut it down if it if it hit one team,
would that team drop out and maybe uh, you know
one of the other twenty two move in. Is there
a protocol for that, Rick, Yeah, No, there's not a
structure set up for what they would do in that case,
but I dare say they would find a way to continue.
I think shut down is the last resort. Again, the

(45:00):
because of of everything that that is at stake. I
think they would just they punished the team that UH
that had the outbreak, and they would keep it moving
and leave it to us to determine whether that, you know,
UH negates the validity of the champion or whatever it
might be. But their their ultimate goal is to is

(45:24):
to get to the finish line one way or the other.
So they would have to be it would have to
be multiple teams. I can't I can't even imagine. I mean,
we would have far greater issues. If you take the
NBA and you take the NBA teams and you have
sixteen guys who test positive out of the three when

(45:46):
they were left on their own, you bring them into
the bubble and now you got what you got, forty
guys testing positives. There would be something seriously wrong with
that bubble if that happened. Um, how is the testing going?
And how are the players responding to their living conditions?

(46:09):
Because we've seen you know, Rondo tweet about food. We
we we've seen the reporters talk about what types of
food are their their prepackaged and the players are used
to eating completely different. So how are the players responded
to these conditions? Well, I'll tell you what I saw,
the list of restaurants that they can get food from.

(46:29):
Joe stone Crab, I would imagine is healthy. Is doing
a healthy business. From what I know about NBA players
when they go to Miami or Florida in general, I
would imagine that he's doing a pretty first business. This
to me is a reflection. I'm looking at it this
way because I've seen both. I've seen the negative and

(46:50):
I've seen the positive. I've seen Pat Beverley, who my
senses like when he was a kid, I knowing where
he grew up, probably didn't have a tree house, but
if he could have had a tree house, he would
have because he's that kid who like I want to
build my own place, I don't want to hang out. Uh.
He loves the situation. John morand Uh good with it.

(47:12):
Any number of guys, I believe, quite honestly, the team
that has more guys that take a positive attitude to
this and look at it and say, hey, number one,
I'm on a business trip. Number two, Uh I am
you know what am I complaining about? Yeah? I gotta
stay in a hotel. Yeah, I've got uh food being

(47:32):
delivered to me. I get to play basketball. Um. Any
any guy who is grousing about this has lost touch
with reality and has also not really focused, is really
not focused on what the job at hand is, which
is for the next three three months or however long
you last, trying to ultimately win a championship and and

(47:55):
and do your job. And so I you know, I look,
I I volunteer to go. Um, I'm I'm okay with
not going, but I said, if you need somebody there,
I will go. And largely because this is my job.
That's that's how I look at it. Rick Buker, Fox
Sports one NBA analyst joining us here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. I'm Dan Buyer. He's George Rister sitting in

(48:18):
for Doug today. So Rondo now fractures his thumb out
six to eight weeks. Um. Yeah, we want to say,
all right, more on the shoulders of Alex Caruso. But
is this basically just now more on the shoulders of
Lebron Yeah? Well yeah, And I said from the very
beginning that I thought that depth and versatility was going

(48:39):
to have a huge it was going to be a
huge factor in deciding who ultimately came out on top
and losing Avery Bradley and now raw Gen Rondo. Those
names don't blow you away, but as you said, it
puts more on Lebron James and it shortens your rotation.
And I I don't like any team that has to

(49:00):
rely heavily on any one or two players to be successful.
I think under these circumstances, coming back with all this
time off, having a short runway, and then getting into
playoff caliber basketball, that the more depth and versatility you have,
an ability to play slow and control the tempo, the

(49:20):
better off you are. And certainly the Lakers can still
control tempo, but you lose Avery Bradley, who's a ball handler.
Use ra Gen Rondo, who's a ball handler. That certainly
puts more on on Lebron. And as invincible as he's been,
as injury free relatively that he's been, I just under
these circumstances at thirty five, on a team that has

(49:45):
practically half of its team thirty two or years are older,
these are just not This is not moving in the
right direction for the Los Angeles Lakers. If if Lebron
James and the Lakers do win a championship, and I
know we can, he came back down three one against

(50:05):
the Warriors, Like, what would this be his like crowning
accomplishment in in his career with with Rynd with playoff Rondo,
out with UH with obviously Avery Bradley, and he's also
has a saboteur with with him who's trying to redeem
himself and j R. Smith Well, I honestly, the way

(50:27):
I look at it, um when he averaged triple double
and didn't win the championship, to me, that was the
most uh, that was the best finals performance I've seen
from him. And I would say what he's already accomplished
with this Lakers team defied expectation in a major way.
So I have to see how he does it, Like

(50:51):
is it is it Lebron or does Anthony Davis now
saying that he's healthy, is he does he change the dynamics?
I have to see it to no, but certainly it's
in the conversation of most amazing feats by Lebron James.
I don't think the other part is like we've always questioned, UH,

(51:11):
there's certain like the mental toughness in comparison to Michael Jordan's.
Is Lebron James as mentally tough as Michael Jordan's I
think most people would say that nobody's tough, Nobody's is tough.
This would be a great feather in Lebron James's cap
when it comes to his mental toughness, simply because people
I've talked to believe that that is going to be

(51:33):
the number one thing is the mental the mental tenacity
of your leaders, of your team collectively. As with no fans,
no home court advantage, three months in the bubble, Uh,
it's really gonna be who's willing to just stay with
it and handle all of these unusual circumstances, because, as

(51:57):
we know, athletes are creatures, have how bit and there's nothing, nothing,
that is habitual about what they're going to go through
over the next three months. These are Fox Sports One
NBA analyst Rid him on Bleacher Report. Also listen to
his podcast, Buker and Friends. And here I'm here on
Fox Sports Radio. He's Rick Buker. Thanks, Rick, appreciate the time.
Get Rick on Twitter at Rick Buker. He's George rice Ster.

(52:21):
I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today here
on Fox Sports Radio. One star quarterback in the NFL
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(52:45):
The Greatest Rivalry and Sports. No, not Army, Navy, Yankees,
Red Sox, Ohio State, Michigan, none of that. It's George
Rister against John Ramos in a game that's at the
bottom of the hour. Um, if you can tell that
George Rice ster is get by the way, He's George
Rice to r'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug today,
George is is kind of giddy. Okay, if you can.

(53:08):
You're a little giddy today, aren't you, George. I can
kind of sense, I can. I can kind of sense
you're kind of giddy. And we're gonna play some audio
because George's giddy about one NFL quarterback who sent quite
a message, who sent quite a message this weekend. All right, Johnny,
let's hear from that star quarterback one Patriots QB Cam

(53:32):
Newton dn't have a scene its cam dyin't ever seen him?
Because you want to know how I know they ain't
have a seen him the forgotten Cam, the on Cam tired,

(53:54):
a bean, sick a tire Cam felt like I was
just left to die from cam Netton. You love hearing
that man. That's it, That is it, that is everybody
should be terrified of Cam because listen, I there is

(54:19):
a difference because there are some people that do that,
they say those sorts of things, and I can always
look in the man's eyes and hearing the timber in
his voice and know whether it's authentic or no, whether
it is just just some smoking mirrors that you're trying
to pull the wool over our eyes. And Cam, you

(54:43):
look at his body, He's clearly been putting in the work.
He's changed his throwing motion, he has been humbled, and
he is mad so now and he's in a contract
year like these are all the things that have the
makings of a superhero performance. And he's one of the

(55:06):
most physically gifted quarterbacks that we have ever seen. He's
got a rocket for an arm, although it had been
previously inaccurate, which I have long long since Cam got
in the league. I've not been a huge fan of
his as a quarterback because he yes, he's been a runner. Yes,
he's been a multiple threat. He's won an m v P.
But I've all I tend to lean towards accurate quarterbacks.

(55:29):
But Cam is so mad right now. He is so hurt.
He's oh day, they hit him in the right place
and put the man to work. They laid him out
the pastor and mind you the references of you know,
they left me to die. He's not referring to actual death.
He's talking about like his career death. Yeah. Yeah, I

(55:52):
loved it, dude, that I would. I would be like,
let's go work out Cam. I'm believing Jared, Jared Stidham,
you can cut him right now. We don't need him.
I think that he can work. I really, I really do.
And I think that for what the Patriots Doe and
you and I have gone back and forth on this
and and and just summarize, I'm not saying back and forth,
and we took different sides, but I just I always

(56:14):
stood by the I need Cam to run the football,
and if Cam can't run the football, then I just
I don't. I don't necessarily need him as my starting
quarterback because that that's what makes Cam Newton. You just
said two minutes ago that you didn't like him as
a passer or as a quarterback passing the football because
of his inaccuracies. I don't know how that gets better.

(56:37):
He changed his throwing motion, he's changed his fit because
his footwork was bad. He's I believe that Cam has
put in all the requisite work. And mind you, it's
not that like he can't. He's He's shown throughout his
career he can make the reads. He it's not a
deficiency of talent, it's not a deficiency of of you know,

(57:00):
reading coverages anything like that. It was some inaccuracy. And
mind you, there were times he his last season he
was more accurate than he had ever been, like completing
almost his passes, most accurate season. So that along with
his improved throwing motion and a year off getting able
to read defense, Dude, I am I could I have

(57:21):
not been more sold on an athlete that was out
for a while and was making a comeback since Adrian
Peterson and everybody said, oh, he's not gonna be the same.
I was like, you'll watch it. And I wasn't wrong then,
and I'm one right about this. You, Jared Stendham doesn't
stand a chance Patriots are going to the playoffs. They're
gonna win the division. Forget the Bills. It's over. I'm

(57:45):
letting you know that right now. You can book it
market tap. You know. I'm not disagreeing with you on
any of those scenarios. I just don't know how you
think that Cam is going to becoming this different quarterback,
and especially in a spot in New England that is
going to pride themselves on defense and running the football.

(58:06):
And now you've got another runner who can take this
the snap from center Tomension that they hadn't had in
the last what twenty years of of them playing. I mean, like,
that's this is There is no way they're going to
have Cam come in there and say, don't run the ball.
We want you to dump it off to James White,
just like Tom Brady did for the last twenty years.

(58:29):
With running backs, are they're gonna they're gonna want, They're
gonna be running. They're not gonna be running. Cam new
not gonna let you know that right now, not when
you when you look at Cam Newton's Okay, you know what,
that argument will have to be decided at another time
because we don't have the evidence right now. I just
don't think they're they will use him as a running back.
And when you look at Cam's numbers over his career,

(58:51):
and this is really even the m v P season,
the numbers don't vary George as much as you would think.
There's not like a forty hundred yards season and then
at yards season, they're all ballparked with about the m
v P year having a few more yards and a
bunch more touchdowns and also having you know, the ability

(59:12):
to run the ball and have success on the ground.
So he really hasn't changed being a quarterback. Even the
rushing numbers are all the same. So I just a
sixty No, there is an outlier in there. His last
full seat, well last almost full season, in fourteen games
sixty seven percent passing. Mind you, he hadn't had a

(59:35):
sixty percent passing season since two thousand thirteen, Like that
was the last time, and it was eight percentage points
higher than the previous season, well eight point eight percent higher,
which is significant. I mean, like that's more than a
that's like at increase and heptions I just I just

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like the fit. I like the fit of Cam in
New England. I really do. I think it works for them,
and I think that you like to fit as well.
We just don't agree on how they're going to utilize him.
I think his motivation is going to factor in. I
I think I do think it is unique and I
think it's different. And I think that he had something
to prove at Auburn as well, which parlay it into

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a Heisman Trophy in a National championship season. I think that,
I mean, coming from the situation of Florida, I think
you've got something to prove and I think that that
showed well there. I just think that we've seen throughout
his career and that's more of the sample size of
of what he's done in the NFL and those you know,

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eight seasons, eight or nine seasons, that that's what we
have to take and carry over and figure out how
he's going to fit into what New England does and
then vice versa. The third person stuff is is for
as as crazy as some people think it is, it
is fun to hear him say, you know, they haven't
seen this cam, but I haven't seen it either, and

(01:01:05):
I'm just I'm waiting to see it. I'm waiting to
see the different sort of cam. And by the way.
If he's gonna use third person, he better be running
the football. He better be doing that. George, I love
the third person. I love him speaking in third person
because it reminds me of that um of that beer
commercial a long time ago where they were inside the

(01:01:27):
I think it was the It was like inside of
a football locker room and the guy says, oh, Kelly Robinson,
he um, oh lord. He he said, um, you know
he's gonna do great, He's gonna bamb And they said,
why do you speak in third person? He said, Kelly
Robinson speaks in third person because it gives him the

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proper distance and objectivity to appreciate his greatness. And that's
what Cam's doing. Can I hear Cam one more time? Johnny?
Can we hear Do we just hear it one more time? Yeah?
Let me grab us stand by. This is uh, this
is I mean, just to get the taste of Cam
Newton again if you missed it, if you just joined us.
This is what's got George so excited this weekend. They

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ain't ever seen this camp. They ain't never seen him,
Because you want to know how I know they ain't
ever seen him? The Forgotten Cam the on Cam tired

(01:02:33):
of being sick of tire, Cam, I felt like I
was just left to die. Oh I love the tired
of being sick and tired line as well. Uh, Cam
told you that y'all ain't never seen this camp the
old stats because we have never seen this camp. Oh man,

(01:02:57):
but we should look at that increased passing per set
on edge from I'll believe it when I see it, George,
I'll believe it when I see it. He's George rice Stir.
I'm Dan by. Get George on Twitter, at George rice Stir,
all right, at Dan Buyer on Fox. George actually faces
his biggest foe next, as we go to the video
game World. That after, Brian Fenley gives us the latest

(01:03:17):
of what's happening on this Monday. Hello bro, Hey, Dan,
Hey George. The Washington Redskins affirming today that they are
doing away with their team name. The franchise, claiming majority
owner Dan Snyder and head coach Ron Rivera will collaborate
on picking out the new moniker. The NFL flaunting its
state of the art Oakley mouth shield and apparatus that

(01:03:38):
prevents transmission of COVID nineteen. The new equipment features a
plastic sheath connecting onto the face guard of the helmet,
and the league will pass around this device to all
thirty two teams within the next week to experiment. Players
at this point are not required to wear this during
a game. According to multiple outlets, Dak Prescott and the
Cowboys are nowhere near a long term deal. The corresponding

(01:04:01):
parties have stopped having adult conversations growing up conversations on
the matter since March, and the Fort Worth Star Telegram
even disclosing. Dallas and Prescott have quote no plans for
renewed talks end quote. Russell Westbrook has contracted coronavirus. The
Houston Rocket, who's yet to join his team in Orlando,
insists he is not quarantining and feeling well. St. Louis

(01:04:24):
Cardinals reliever Jordan Hicks has bowed out of the season,
pointing to a previous health condition. He is a Type
one diabetic. The twenty three year old is also coming
off Tommy John surgery last year. For all the latest,
check out Fox Sports Radio dot Com. Back to Dan
Buyer and George Rice Stir. Appreciate it, Brian, It is
the dut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, We

(01:04:47):
bring in our technical producer John Ramos for a show
down as he takes on George rice Stir in the
game I like to call mad Man. Yeah, not mad End,
but Madden Men, because Madden released there some of their
ratings for the twenty one version of their game with

(01:05:08):
Patrick Mahomes on the cover. Do you like this theme song, George, Oh,
this reminds me of like eighties video games. Yeah it is.
It's it's from Madden ninety two. That's where it's from,
all right, or Joe Montano Sports stock Football? All right, George,

(01:05:28):
are you up to the task of taking on John
Ramos in this game? Of course? John, are you up
to the task of taking on six year NFL veteran
George rice Stir. You know what, this is the best
part of the show for me right now. All right,
I'm gonna give you guys some guidelines here, and you're
gonna have to work within these parameters. What I want
you guys to do is to guess the Madden ratings
of certain NFL quarterbacks. But I'm gonna give you a

(01:05:51):
range of quarterbacks that where we're gonna have a high
and we're gonna have a low, and then you'll have
to figure out the other quarterbacks within that range. Patrick
Mahomes received a rating of ninety nine in the New
Madden one NFL game. Carson Wentz of the Philadelphia Eagles
received an overall rating of eighty four. So the range

(01:06:13):
of numbers that you guys will give will probably be
in the range of eighty four to ninety nine. When
I give you these quarterbacks, whoever is closer with the
number will get the point in the round. Okay, we'll
have eight questions. If we ended a tie, there will
be a tie breaker. Are you ready to play? Alright? Alright?

(01:06:33):
The first quarterback up for grabs. Remember, Patrick Mahomes was
a ninety nine overall, Carson Wentz was an eighty four.
I'm gonna give you Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons,
John Ramos. Guess what his rating would be? Okay, George Rice,
stir your guests on Matt Ryan's right rating. Matt Ryan,

(01:06:55):
I'm gonna go with an eighty nine, John Ramos, it's
the first point. Did eighties seven for Matt Ryan? Eighties seven?
John was one off? All right, George, you have a
chance to even the score as it is now. Your serve.
What about Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is one of the

(01:07:17):
best quarterbacks in the game. I'm gonna go with a ninety.
Actually no, he fella, Okay, if they put Matt Ryan
as an eighties seven, I'm gonna go Aaron Rodgers a ninety. Okay,
at ninety, John Romos, what do you think Aaron Rodgers?

(01:07:38):
I love that. Love that from George. I think he's
right close there. I'm gonna say I don't think. I
think I have little more respect for for Rogers in
this twenty one. I'm gonna say nine four. We have
an even ball game because Aaron Rodgers just rated eighty nine.
So George one off there. That's gonna be wanted to

(01:07:58):
hate it on ratings like people will be like, what
the hell? All right, let's go to another veteran quarterback,
John Ramos. What about Drew Brees. Where does Madden twenty
one rate Drew Brees Again, Carson Wentz was rated eighty four.
Patrick Mahomes ranked eighty ninety nine. Where does Drew Brees
fits in all of this? Well, they made the playoffs.

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I believe the Saints did, so I'm gonna say that
they're gonna be higher than Rodgers. I'm gonna saying ninety
two for Drew Brees. Okay, George, Rice to your guests
on Drew Brees rating, considering how Mad ratings happened for quarterbacks.
They go accuracy, deep balls, short balls, all of that.
So his rating. I don't think he's as good as

(01:08:41):
Aaron Rodgers anymore, but his rating has to be higher
because he's going to be pinpointing all those I'm gonna
go with a ninety two. I'm gonna yeah. Okay, John,
you said I thought, George, Sorry, sorry, I'll go nine
three now. Okay, we got our first correct answer for

(01:09:06):
Drew Breese. By the way, he has actually rated one
hundred in apologies, so because he does it so often,
he's the only employer to receive a one hundred grade. Alright, George,
you're up two to one. The first one to five
wins this and again if you don't get the five,
we'll have a tiebreaker. Where does Madden twenty one have

(01:09:30):
Russell Wilson of the Seattle Seahawks. He should be a
ninety nine too, But I'm gonna go with a I'm
gonna go in to ninety seven. Alright, because because I
do remember playing with him, he was a ninety seven
last year and he's equally as good. Yeah, I agree
with George, But but can we pick the same number.

(01:09:51):
I have to pick a different number. We'd like you
to pick a different Okay. Unfortunately, John, he hit it
on the head N seven for Russell Wills and just
a couple of spots lower than Patrick Mahomes. George, you're
up three one in this, John Ramos, you have the
ability to bounce back though this ain't over. No, that's
what you get when you serve. You get that first choice. Yes,

(01:10:14):
it's like you're you know, you're you're right now, just
down three one in the fifth. But that's all So
you just have to break his serve at something. But
what about Tom Brady of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Where
does Madden twenty one rank Tom Brady now a member
of the Buccaneers. I feel like Madden has to have
a respect for somebody so far, I would actually put

(01:10:37):
Brady more like an eight seven, but I think they'll
give him a ninety Okay at ninety George, Rice Stir,
where do you think that Tom Brady is ranked? I'm
so mad at this because that was going to be
my answer because it has to be higher than Matt Ryan.
But he gives more respect for his longevity than Aaron Rodgers.

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So I would go ninety. But I'm gonna go I
feel like this all lose. I can't be right now,
so I'm gonna go nine. You you have a good
feel of the room because John Romo's nailed it on
the ninety for Tom Brady making because a three or
two ball game. But George, you can extend your lead

(01:11:20):
back up to two if you guess where Dak Prescott
is rated correctly, Dak Prescott of the Dallas Cowboys, where
is he rated in Madden one? If Matt Ryan is
an eighty seven, it's gonna be lower than Matt Ryan.
His they didn't make the playoffs. He doesn't get the
respect he deserves. He doesn't have a contract. And you

(01:11:43):
said Carson Wentz was what eight four? Oh, I'm I'm
I'm getting he's got a better availability than Carson Wentz.
So I'm gonna give him the same rating. Ye, yeah,
I I agree with George's gonna be low. I'm gonna
say it, but I'll pick eighty five. All right right

(01:12:04):
on the yea. There is no there's no wiggle room,
all right, John Ramos, to stay alive in this game,
you need to get this one. Lamar Jackson of the
Baltimore Ravens. All right, George's got four MVP VP Lamar Jackson, Yeah,

(01:12:25):
he was the MVP. Um I will say he all right, George,
Rice stir, where do you think? Lamar Jackson? Wait? What what?
What do you do? Say? He was gonna be higher
rated than Russell Wilson. Man, Stop, there's not a chance
I'm gonna price is right? You right here? Okay? Just

(01:12:48):
and just get an easy win and go. So I'm
gonna make sure I get the win because you went
so I'm gonna go. Think case he's a ninety six,
so then I'll still get the win. I'm going. I
thought you were gonna go one dollar. I started to,

(01:13:09):
but but I wanted to be true to the spirit.
I'm a competitor. Lamar Jackson rated George. It's a speed dude.
His speed brings him up. His speed, agility brings up
his quarterback rating, even though it's not as you know,
accurated maybe in some of the other areas. So that

(01:13:30):
brings him up, but they were not going to have
him higher than Russell Wilson, no chance. The uh the
other quarterback I left out, Deshaun Watson only eighty six.
I was a bit surprised by that. I thought Deshaun
Watson maybe would have been higher. But that was the
range of quarterbacks. Great job as an m v P.
So that's that's where they Yeah, that could be, but

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I still think that if you're playing Mad one and
you have Deshaun Watson, and I think I'd rather have
Deshaun Watson. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate John great effort. We
appreciate the time. Yeah, next time we'll do Mad ninety
two ratings. So Jim Kelly, he's George Rice stir that
actually it would be would that would be amazing? I

(01:14:14):
got Icky woodses A ninety one. Um, he's George Royster.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottleap Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Lebron James is not going to
wear a social justice movement message on the back of
his uniform. Someone thinks that's the right idea. That's next
here on Fox. Be sure to catch the live edition

(01:14:36):
of the Doug gott Leap Show week days at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific. I'm Dan Buyer. He's George
Rister sitting in for Doug today. Just because Doug is
out doesn't mean we won't do a segment that Doug
normally does at this time. And that's here's my comments
for my they are one of the great shows on
Fox Sports Radio or Fox Sports One. In a segments

(01:14:58):
to Call and now on Undisputed. Today on Fox Sports One,
Shannon Sharp way in on Lebron James deciding not to
display a social justice message on the back of his jersey,
rather just having his last name James. This was Shannon
Sharp earlier today on Fox Sports One. I'm absolutely not

(01:15:19):
surprised by this. Skip. I think his body will works
speak for itself. I think we've see what he's done
with the Trayvon Martin situation. Skip where in the T
shirt Eric Gardner I can't breathe. We see his initiative
uh the IP school. We see his initiative with getting
people out of the boat. So Lebron James is not
a symbolic type of a guy. He's a guy that
does the actual work. I'll tell you what before George weighs,

(01:15:42):
and I will weigh in myself. This is to Shannon's point,
I don't think that there is an offer that that
Lebron James needs to take this opportunity to show or
to put a magnifying glass on what he has done.
He has done plenty off of the court. I have
no problems with players choosing to you know, to have

(01:16:03):
their own name on the back or if they want
to use the social justice matter. To me, it's not
as big of a it's not really even a big
deal at all of having a message on the back
of your jersey or not. It again, is what you do.
Just like when we hear apologies, when we hear people
wanting to say they're sorry, that's fine. I'll take it
from all of that. I'm just curious on what's being

(01:16:25):
done and what you do. And I feel the same
way about these NBA jerseys, George. When you hear Shannon
Sharpe say that you know Lebron has done so much
in his career, uh off the court, that he doesn't
think that Lebron James needs to wear that social justice message.
What are your thoughts on that? He's right, Shannon is
spot on with this one. I mean they he Lebron

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already said that he wasn't consulted about the list of names.
And the list of names it does include things like
Black Lives Matter, say their name, vote, I can't breathe, justice, peace, equality,
all these things. So if you're Lebron, you stand for
all those things. This is a dude who speaks out
on public issues, donates his own money, millions and millions

(01:17:13):
of dollars of his own money. He's sending eleven kids
to college already. That's not even including the money he
has pledged and donated to UH to start the I
Promise School. Who's doing remarkable things in Cleveland. What more
do you want to do that? He lives these things,
and if he puts one on there, then somebody's gonna

(01:17:33):
feel slighted about the the other. No, the James brand
UH is represents all of those things, not just one
of them. You know, it's lebron warrant I can't breathe
shirt a couple of years ago, and and and so
the message there when he does that's like in a
pregame warm up. That to me sends more of a

(01:17:55):
message than being legal proved the messages choose if you want.
Like it's a it's a nice thought by the NBA,
but it really doesn't do anything. Lebron wearing that T
shirt in pregame warmups, to me, is more meaningful than
any of the messages that we could see on the
back of these jerseys during the the NBA Buttle bubble,
because it just of of this is it's it's him

(01:18:17):
speaking out on his own, doing his thing. And and
as I said, I just want to see guys, uh,
you know, have the actions. I get it, you know,
if you want to have, you know, the message on
the back, totally fine. But it reminds me of the
Seinfeld episode where Kramer didn't want to wear an AIGE ribbon.
He's participating in the AIDS walk with everybody who's you know,
supporting that, but then there's everybody gathers up on him

(01:18:39):
because he doesn't want to wear a ribbon because everybody
else is forced to wear a ribbon. And that's kind
of what this is to me. Of all, right, Yeah,
the NBA is allowing it, it takes more of the
the guts to do it when it's not allowed or
no one else is doing it. George, your last thoughts
in ten seconds. Oh, I mean, but there will be
people who will criticized, well, why don't free Hong Kong

(01:19:00):
on there and and all of that. And I'm just like,
Duty's taking care of the stuff in his own backyard,
and the people who are talking about that, I have
so many thoughts on that they are lame as well.
His resume speaks for itself, both off and on the court.
So will he add to his resume this season in
the bubble? We'll talk about Lebron next year on Fox
Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk

(01:19:23):
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is feeling good on this Monday because Cam Newton is
a new Cam and George also beat John Ramos in
our Mad and twenty one game. Don't worry. There will
be a time that John Ramos can get his revenge

(01:19:43):
on George Rice stir. It's just not going to be today.
Can Lebron James get his revenge on those who say
that the Lakers can't win an NBA title, especially in
this bubble situation? Well, things got a little bit more
difficult over the weekend, losing ra Gen Rondo now for
his money as two months because of a fractured thumb.

(01:20:04):
The Lakers bench is depleting with Avery Bradley not taking parts.
This is a it's a unique situation. We know the
NBA bubble, but when we talk to guys like Rick
Buker like we did last hour, George and finding out
how much depth is going to be an issue, the
ra Gen Rondo injury now puts maybe even more question marks.

(01:20:24):
And if the Lakers can get this done in Orlando, yeah, dude,
this is the definition of Lebron basically playing with two
hands tied well, actually just one hand tied behind his
back at this point. But that's what the magic tricks
happen of the greatest players of all time. And in
this we will. I believe that this will be the

(01:20:46):
greatest like championship that Lebron is ever one if he
wins this one, because yes, coming back from down three
one with the Warriors was minu men tool and it
was you know, great to see and added to his legacy.
But not only winning championships in Miami, Cleveland and Los

(01:21:09):
Angeles as the best player, which nobody would have ever done,
and then adding to it a stop in the middle
of the season, Kobe Dying Uh going to a bubble,
no fans, no energy, no home court advantage, everybody else rested,
like this will be a spectacular display of of greatness

(01:21:33):
if he's able to pull this off as the catalyst
for that like that. Obviously Anthony Davis is going to
add to it because he's one of the top ten
players in in the league. But if Lebron James is
the best player in all the playoffs and all the finals,
it will be just spectacular. I I you know, and
and hearing you lay out the reasons, I'm surprised that

(01:21:56):
the rest aspect is is a is a factor because
and I'm not trying to pinpoint words, but you actually
think that the other teams were benefited more with rest
than the Lakers were, because I think that the Lakers
were actually beneficial, very beneficial. Anthony Davis said that it heck,

(01:22:17):
it helped them, uh get rest during this time, so
like I would, of course that it helped the teams,
except for it didn't help the Lakers because even though
they are more rested, they lost two players the and
and the Clippers, who didn't have a whole lot of
time to jail because they have been hurt all year.

(01:22:38):
You had to have Paul, George Hurt, uh Kawhi, Leonard
low Load managing, pat Patrick Beverley out. Everybody on their
team have been hurt. They're all coming coming back like gangbusters.
You know. The Clippers were hitting their stride though in March,
when everything kind of seemed to start to gel together.
And I think that entering this bubble and entering the
resumption of the season when we don't know a lot

(01:23:00):
how things are going to play out. George, I'll openly
admit it. At first, I said that I thought teams
like the Lakers, like the Clippers, like the Bucks were
going to be at a disadvantage because they lost their
home court advantage. And then I kind of changed my
thinking on that, just thinking like, you know what, if
they're the better team than the opponent, the better team

(01:23:20):
should beat the lesser team on a neutral court more
times than not. So maybe it gives the advantage to
the top teams. But now when you look at the
top teams, I don't think that. I don't think we're
going to look back at this title. If the Lakers
lose it and say, well, they didn't have Rondo or
Avery Bradley didn't choose to play for them, I think

(01:23:42):
that we're going to look back at it and be like, yeah,
there's the Clippers were just better, or the Bucks were better,
or the Rockets went on an on an amazing run.
I don't think that Lebron is going to get that
sort of leeway or have that excuse and why he's
not going to win it. And so the Rondo injury,
as we talked with Rick Buker, I just think it

(01:24:03):
puts more on Lebron. So if they do win it,
maybe you are right, maybe it's I I have a
tough time thinking that topping the three one deficit against
the Warriors can be topped, but there will definitely be
more on his shoulders. And I think depth that's gonna
be a huge part of this. It's actually why I
think Milwaukee has a decent chance of actually getting to

(01:24:24):
the NBA Finals and getting um, you know, past that
hump of that they didn't get past last year against Toronto,
because of their depth, because of the amount of guys,
and I just think that this I don't think that
Rondo is the difference between a championship team and not.
But I just think this puts way more on the
shoulders of Lebron and and and makes it infinitely more
difficult to him, maybe something that he can overcome. It's

(01:24:48):
it's how this is all going to play out. We
don't even know if Russell Westbrook's going to, you know,
need acclamation time to get back from from his situation.
They're just so many, so many different unknowns. But one
thing that I do know is there's no Rondo, and
Lebron's got it more on his shoulders. Yeah, it is
definitely a much much much harder road for him. But

(01:25:09):
in this the thing that separates the greatest players away
from like that that separates the you know, people who
are in the top fifty greatest players of all time
who don't have championships and all that, and then you
have people who you argue about or in the top ten,
the Kobe's to Tim Duncan's, whether you put in where

(01:25:30):
you put a team, where you put in Bill, you know,
and then you have the the Goats, Michael Jordan's Lebron James.
Do you consider Bill Russell in there? I mean like
there is a different, you know, level when you get
to talking about those people, like that's the elite of
the elite of the elite, and this is the times

(01:25:53):
when they separate themselves from everybody else. Because James Harden
getting championship, yeah, that that would be big, But he's
not going to go down as the greatest player of
all time, like nobody's even in that conversation because he
hasn't built that resume up the Yeah, you know, it's
funny you bring up James Harden because the only there's

(01:26:16):
one player that I think can lead his team to
a title and no one will question the validity to it.
And when we talk about Lebrod, you and I are
having this discussion on July. If Lebron and the Lakers
win a title this year, you're going to have people

(01:26:37):
having the same argument George on July in regard to
this season, because people are going to say it wasn't
a full season. It was, and then there are others
who are gonna be like, it was even more difficult.
I don't think they're gonna bring up the Rondo injury.
They're gonna bring up Avery Bradley sitting out, but I
do think that they will unveil the circumstances and use

(01:26:59):
that to their advance. But the one player that I
do think, because I think if James Harden wins, we
will pinpoint and unfairly to James Harden be like, well,
what kind of real what kind of real playoffs were that?
I think you'd get the same thing with Janice. I
think at the Bucks win, I think they would be like, well,
let's do it under different circumstances. The only player that
I think we wouldn't question is Kawhi Leonard, and that's

(01:27:22):
because of what he did last year with the Raptors.
If he does it again with the Clippers, I don't
think we're going to look at that championship as any less. Unfortunately,
people will use it against those top fifty type of
guys that you talk about because maybe they haven't done
it before and they haven't done it in their situation.
And it goes back to the San Antonio Spurs. The

(01:27:45):
Spurs needed to verify that first championship, even though it
was legit in my mind, with a short and regular season,
they played a full playoffs, it took them winning other
titles to verify the first one. I think every superstar
is going to have to deal with that, include Lebron James.
If they win this one, that it won't be it
won't be a real title. Everyone except Kawhi Leonard because

(01:28:06):
Kauai has got the one last year. It would almost
be like him kind of holding court, if you will, George,
But I think that Kauai would get the pass where
everybody else we would use we would we would use
the Orlando bubble as an excuse of, oh, that's why
they want Let's see them do it in a real
eighty two games season, you know, and in a real playoff.
I truly like, I can you know, I can see
them doing that. I could see them doing that with

(01:28:28):
James Harden. I can see them doing that with Luca
don Chech. I think I can see them doing that
if Denver makes a run um. I could see it
with Janice. I could see it. With all of these situations,
people are going to pick it apart for how it is,
except if Kauai ends up winning, and that includes Lebron James,
I think you'd still have this argument of Lebron and
the Lakers winning on whether this is legit that is
never going to go away. It's not I like that.

(01:28:51):
I like that the because you you are right, If
you haven't won a title before, people are going to
look at it with skepticism of this bubble situation. But
if it is Lebron, if it is Kauai, then they're
gonna saying, Okay, then this is legit because these are

(01:29:13):
the people who were supposed to win. And and I
would say that that does make a lot of sense.
But if you do have an outlier champion, like if
you do have, you know, a six seed, if you
do have the Philadelphia seventies sixers come in and win,
people are gonna say, hold up, hold up, how does
this make sense? Like this was not a team that

(01:29:36):
could come out and win. Man, I am so glad
you bring up the seventy sixers, because there isn't a
team that this country loves to love that has not
earned any of the respect that they deserve. I love
Joel embiide that Ben Simmons hype drives me absolutely nuts.
He hits one three pointer and people are like, oh,

(01:29:59):
he's about to change the game, Like get out of
here with that junk. And I have heard this during
the quarantine that like Ben Simmons is now healthy, maybe
a team that doesn't hit threes can really what? What? What? When?
How did the NBA change in the three months of
not playing, where all of a sudden, now the Sixers
are thought of as a legitimate threat like it was

(01:30:21):
thirty nine in twenty six in sixth place in the East,
not six places in the West. Six place in the East,
fourteen games out of first place. How about no? I mean,
there are two ways that you can tell people are idiots.
Number One, when they tell you that look out for
the Sixers. Okay, that's that's one way to do it.

(01:30:42):
Number Two, if in a mock draft they have a Seahawk,
they have the Seahawks taking a cornerback because every mock draft,
every single year has them. They like this cornerback when
they have never ever drafted that in the first round.
So those are the two ways you can do it.
You hear sixers love, that is a sure sign that
the person has no idea what they're talking about. You

(01:31:04):
you have a better off chance of either the Pacers
or the or the Heat winning. But if if the
seventies Sixers, Pacers, Heat, or Raptors win the championship, this year,
people are gonna be like, nah, not his bubble thing
ain't right man. You may have heard in Brian Finley's
news update, and if you didn't, the numbers are starting

(01:31:24):
to trickle in on the amount of positive tests. The
NBA ended up testing UM three D and twenty two players.
I believe it was the the official number and two.
They had two positive tests coming out of that. Since
they started the testing on July one, they've had nineteen
players test positive, but since arriving on the in the

(01:31:45):
Orlando bubble, they've had two people test positive of the
three hundred and twenty two. They're also have been zero
calls to the Snitch hotline on people breaking protocol. There
are a couple of guys a Sacramento Kings players or
Houston Rockets player broke protocol. They gotta sit in quarantine
for eight days. I just wondered George Eastern Conference Finals,

(01:32:07):
Western Conference Finals. People are gonna be having their eye
on Kawhi, Leonard Lebron, James Janisonteta, Coompo, maybe being like, uh,
you know, let's ring up this line because we think
Lebron may have crossed the protocol line. Something to watch
in the NBA season. I don't know. Tattle tailing could
be the uh, could be the a thieve of the

(01:32:28):
NBA playoffs. He's George rice Ster. I'm Dan Buyer. This
is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Coming up next, there is a big change in the
National Football League as the Washington football team has finally
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(01:32:50):
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
He's George rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer, sitting in for
Doug today. Glad to have you with us. By the way,
you can hear George of my off every Sunday here
on Fox Sports Radio five o'clock Eastern to Pacific. Just
like we went at it yesterday, UH, three hours of
fun and three more hours of fun today and a
bit we'll check in with Jerry Brewer, the columnists for

(01:33:12):
the Washington Post. As the big news of the day
as the Washington Redskins are retiring the nickname and logo
of the Redskins and will now search for a a
new name. A new moniker could be some trademark issues, George,
But you aren't you believe that maybe those aren't as
serious as as maybe we could see on the surface. Yeah,

(01:33:33):
as a person who has filed trade marks previously, UM,
I would my my experience is that when you file
a trade trademark for something that you you usually have
to have some sort of legitimate grounds to say that
it belongs to you or that that you should get it.

(01:33:54):
We've seen the Ohio State University try to trademark the
we have seen other people try to trademark things that
were not that got thrown out. And you there, there's
one guy out in UM the Washington area who has
trademark forty four different things from the from the red wolf,

(01:34:16):
well attempted to the red wolves, the red tails, tail hawks,
red hawks, all sorts of things that they could possibly
um even the rat skins R A D S K
I N S the rad skins. And it was just like, Okay,

(01:34:37):
this is an attempt. This is nothing more than an
attempt to addd a money grab. And yes, that is
sort of the place that we live in in America
in a capitalistic society. But the US patent and trademark office.
They'll probably throw those things out as soon as the
um As soon as the Redskins actually figure out what

(01:34:58):
name that they're gonna use, they will apply for the
trademark for it. They may they may either have to
fight him on it or give him a couple couple
of dollars, but it won't be anything significant. I mean,
it's already a four hundred and some odd dollar process
and it takes six months for it to pass through,

(01:35:18):
like as long as nobody contested. So yeah, this is
the situation is going to get in a legal battle,
and the dude that did it is gonna lose. Jerry Brewer,
a calumnist for The Washington Post, joins us here on
the Doug Gotlip Show. He's George Royster round Dan Buyer,
sitting in for Duck today. Hey, Jerry, welcome to the program.
I was your Monday going, I don't know, pretty good,

(01:35:38):
just another quiet weekend, tourt. Yeah, absolutely no games, but
everything everything seems to be going on right now. Okay,
So we get the official announcement today that they are
retiring the nickname. We heard on July three that they
would review this in the span of ten days. I
I know that stuff happened before that, Jerry, and that's

(01:36:00):
where I kind of want to go. Was it the
FedEx stuff? Was it the minority owners? What ended up
being the impetus to finally make Daniel Snyder make this change.
I think, Um, they've been receiving pressure for a little
longer than than what has been reported, um in in

(01:36:21):
this wave, you know, since George Floyd's murder, UM, And
I think I think it was just a combination of
those factors. Um. There there's there appears to be quite
a bit going on behind the scenes with the organization,
and hopefully over the next over the next period, we
we can get to the bottom of everything that's going on.

(01:36:43):
But they didn't just decide, um proactively that they were
going to do this, not when the owner said never,
you can use all cats. And I don't think you
get to the point in which you're retiring it this
quickly unless there was something that was are already pushing
this down the road, probably weeks in advance. Ron Rivera

(01:37:05):
has said that in Snyder have broached this topic for
a month um, and I think the initial reaction was, oh,
I mean, I think you're lying a little bit. But UM,
I could see a scenario in which for more than
a month there has been behind the scenes pressure that
just manifested itself over the last few weeks. UM, what

(01:37:27):
do you think about the press release saying that Ron
Rivera would have a say in the team name. I
was like, he just got there is this and is
he just putting his Um? Is Daniel Snyder just putting
his minority face in the front to help deflect some
of this? Uh heat? You don't have a problem with

(01:37:49):
the coach who's never coached the game in Burgundy and
Gold helping to make this critical decision as one of
only two people. I mean, come on, what's wrong with you? Um? Yeah,
it's it's problematic. I mean, for one, UM, Snyder's circle
is smaller than it's ever been. He fired Bruce Allen finally,

(01:38:11):
which um was an easily justifiable move. It probably happened
four years too late. But then also, UM, you know
another person in the front office who was really instrumental
and keeping keeping things going as as functional as it
was was was Eric Schaefer, UM who who had uh

(01:38:33):
you know, he was basically number two, number three in
command pretty pretty consistently. Um, over the past seven or
eight years. UM. They let him go as well as
part of just kind of freeing up the organization for
Rivera to do um what he wanted to do. UM.
But you know, now you're seeing this like who's really
running the show? Well, Rivera is trying to get the

(01:38:54):
football team ready, but he's also kind of acting and
officially like a team president would. And then you've got
some other people who are tied to M. Daniel Snyder's
business overall who have kind of entered to help on
some of these things, but they're still it still feels
like UM, you know, like like like the teacher uh

(01:39:17):
broker leg and there's a substitute or a different substitute
UM every day in class UM. And I think it's
incredibly problematic that the organizational structure isn't there for them
to implement a process that is somewhat open and inclusive. Uh.
You should at least have a focus group that has

(01:39:39):
UM people who really understand the history of d C
on it UM potentially UM you know Native American activists
or two UM uh you know, a prominent long term
season ticket holder. You know you need to like you
can't have this idea and not bounce it off of

(01:40:00):
one who is outside of the organization. Um, are a
group of someone's UM and my fear is that they're
just gonna make this decision and it sounds good between
the two of them, but what what good idea has
ever really been created for? UM? You know, thousands, if
not millions of fans that come from only two people.

(01:40:23):
So UM, I mean, I think they're kind of caught
up in we're trying to get this done as soon
as we possibly can. But you've already said that the
name is retired. Uh, now, just go ahead and get
this right, even if you have to play next season
whenever the heck it begins under some generic names. Maybe

(01:40:43):
you're just the you know, the Washington Football Franchise, Washington
Football Club. Maybe you just, UM, we're just gonna call
ourselves Washington and we'll we'll have a W on him
and instead of our our normal logo whatever. UM. But
I think there's a chance to where you could build
from a marketing standpoint to anticipation and excitement around being

(01:41:05):
more inclusive in the process. And UM, while I give
them a clean slate right now, I think the rush
to do something that is wrong. Uh, would would work
against the very thing that you're trying to do. By
moving on from the name. Jerry Brewer of the Washington
Post columnist joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

(01:41:26):
He's George Royster, I'm Dan Buyer. Jerry. You don't know this,
but I just measured this a little while ago. George
and I do a show on Sundays here on the network,
and yesterday we had Fred smoot on who has gotten
me on board of the red Wolves train because it's it.
I like the name and whatever the reasons are. The
most striking thing about this, Jerry, to your point is

(01:41:49):
that people seem excited about being a part of maybe
the name change. Whether they like it or not. They
are being active. Some people say I love it, Others
may say I can't stand it. Is all of this
just a sign of of of Dan Snyder's unwillingness to
do it, of just you know, the more things change,
the more they stay the same, even with Bruce Allen out.

(01:42:12):
I mean, is that is that basically the message that
that Dan Snyder ascending, Well, we'll see. I don't want
to project too much of that on him. I think
it would be unfair. But when certainly when we look
at at his track record and how how tone deaf
he has been, uh in general, but but specifically, uh

(01:42:34):
you know, with with the fans, how he's alienated so
many of them, and and it goes beyond just just
winning and losing. UM. When you look at a sports
franchise as a civic asset, which is something that they
try to be and something that they try to claim
when they when they want to get money for for
for stadiums, um to be publicly funded. UM that there

(01:42:59):
is a kind of responsibility that you have. You want
on some level to make people feel like, uh, this
franchise is something that we're proud of, and this franchise
is something that represents us in the right way, I
would argue, and I think very you know, I don't
think very many people would question it that over the

(01:43:19):
majority of of Daniel Snyder's twenty one years in charge,
um it it, there has been nothing that makes people
proud of having, you know, that franchise associated with the
city they love and live in. And that's been a
big problem. And so yeah, you can change the name,

(01:43:41):
but if you don't change your ways along with it.
The rebranding means nothing. I mean, all you're doing is just, um,
you know, throwing cologne on your funky body after you
worked out. Um. So there's a lot of work to
be done on a lot of levels to get that
the way that it should be. I mean, and people
like to make is not a perfect comparison when they say, well, um,

(01:44:05):
you know the Bullets to the Washington Wizards. Um. One
of the reasons beyond just the fact that the Wizard's
name is not synonymous with d C. It's generic. It's
largely terrible. But one of the reasons that it never
really took what people is there's never there's never been
any glory behind that. The best thing the Wizards have
done is make it to the second round of the playoffs. Um.

(01:44:27):
And I guarantee you if they had had some kind
of run, championship run, or or just a period of
sustained success. Um, you know, beyond just a few years,
people wouldn't care about the name, and they would they
would purchase the merchandise, and they would be more proud
of it than they seem to be right now. This

(01:44:50):
is a situation to where I believe that that Daniel
Snyder could be looking at this as a potential windfalls
cities situation where he rebrands the franchise is worth more.
Is there any chance that he does the exit exit
stage left now? UM? I don't think so. But I

(01:45:15):
mean you have of of the ownership group now once out,
you know, the three minority owners account for just a
little bit of of the franchise, you know. So that's
on the three point four billion dollar franchise. That's what
a billion and a half something in there? Something a
little less than that. Um, it's over a billion dollars

(01:45:39):
UM that you're hoping that somebody buys on. And if
they don't, um, And who would really want to be
be a you know, a non controlling owner under Daniel
Snyder who has done nothing but wrong. UM. So I
could see where there could be some pressure on him
to say, you know, um, look, you know they want out.

(01:46:02):
UM can't find a buyer, UM who wants to sign
on for this or a number of buyers for obvious reasons.
And then maybe you go back to them and maybe
their thing is, you know, why don't you give up
your control and stake You can still have a stake
in this team and NFL franchises make so much money,
it would make sense that you would want to keep
a steak. But maybe it's no longer six of the

(01:46:25):
franchise that you ownt Um, you know, sell us whatever
it does to give us controlling uh interest, and we'll
move on from there. I mean, I could see them
trying to apply that pressure. But Davin Snyder doesn't really
have anything else. Um, you know, he made his money.
He kind of cashed out on a lot of those
businesses are pretty much the overwhelming majority of it. And

(01:46:48):
he's either by NFL standards of ownership, he's an incredibly
young owner. He can own this team and for another
thirty years plus easily. Uh. And I'm not sure that
he wants to give up on it and think that
his legacy is all you did was running into the ground.
So would have to take a lot. And if the

(01:47:09):
franchise has worked three point four billion dollars um, the
valuation of it would have to be a lot higher
than even that, I think to entice him to want
to sell interesting stuff, great stuff from Jerry Brewer. That's
where you can find him. Calumnist for the Washington Post.
That's where you can find him on Twitter is what
I was going to say, Jerry, thanks so much for
the time, and uh yeah, the story is not gonna

(01:47:30):
end here. We'll we'll keep tabs and hopefully talk again soon.
And thanks so much. All right, anytime, he's George rice Stir.
I'm Dan by a great point, George and bringing that
up because it's I don't you know, there was a
lot of stuff there that I didn't know, and it's
interesting to see that maybe even the whole ownership could
you know, come into jeopardy if that is the case.
We always talk about the possible stadium that he wants

(01:47:53):
to to get and bring it back to Washington, d C.
But who knows, there may be a situation where he
may not even have the team then, something to definitely
look for in the future. Get George on Twitter at
George rice Stir, six year NFL VET. I'm on Twitter
at Dan Buyer on Fox. Coming up next, Tiger Woods
has an opportunity to make a big splash this week

(01:48:13):
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Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb.
Today the PGA Tour will stay at Murefield Village in Dublin, Ohio.

(01:48:36):
It'll be the Memorial which is Jack Nicholas is tournament
this week. By the way, the PGA Tour basically saying
they are gonna have fans for the rest of this season,
so uh, none of the remaining events and also none
of the FedEx playoff events. By the way, we really
haven't missed as much as you would. You know, people
may want to think of a maybe a big shot
on on eight teen to close it out with a

(01:48:57):
big roar, But but golf, really that missed a beat
and there was great action yesterday. But George, when we
look at when we look at golf and Tiger Woods
is returned, playing for the first time since the pandemic,
I really think that there's an opportunity here as we're
seeing a spike in the the coronavirus numbers, and I
really really feel that Tiger Woods when he comes back,

(01:49:21):
should be wearing a Nike mask when he plays during
these rounds. The win like that would say so much,
and there's never I've never been a jersey guy, you know,
after I was about you know, ten or eleven years old,
kind of moved out of the jersey phase. Difficult to
want to like look like you know, other athletes, but
obviously so many kids dress up like Ricky Fowler. How

(01:49:43):
many times do you go to a golf course and
see guys dressed up in their red and black like
Tiger Woods. For Tiger Woods to be able to make
that statement this week, I think would do a world
of good in trying to get people to wear a
mask and be safe during these sort of time. We
haven't seen a prime top athlete really be competing or

(01:50:05):
one of the all time greats competing during this time.
So when Tiger comes back and does it, I just
think I think it would say so much and do
so much in so many different ways. Yeah, dude, because
there's so many people that have looked at it at
mass and feel some sort of way about it. And

(01:50:26):
if you are going to, you know, make it cool,
that's something that Tiger Woods can do. He made golf
cool to a hole too, to all sorts of ethnicities
and people that would not have ordinarily played golf. I
didn't play golf until Tiger was was playing. I didn't
play golf. I didn't pick up clubs. I was twenty

(01:50:49):
like no, no, I was younger, uh like twenty three
or twenty four. First time I picked up clubs and
I was like, it was almost like that commercial where
that Michael Jordan I want to be like Mike. I
was like, I want to want I want to be
like Tiger. Like So, putting on a mask could definitely
be influential out in the culture. I think, you know,

(01:51:10):
for for Nike too, it would it would sell maybe
a money maker for them. But I went to a
golf course about a month ago, and you know, you think,
like golf course, you're spaced out, but you're also in
a club house area and I was the only one
wearing a mask, and you know, I'm thinking, Cheeze Tiger
helped me out here just a little bit, you know,
and trying to do it. I know that there's there's
there's various ways you could do it. But if Nike

(01:51:31):
does it, then you know under armour and Adidas does it,
and you can move on and you can start something.
I don't think we're gonna see it, but who knows.
Stranger things have happened. He's George rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Coming up next, Who was the real man behind the
name change in Washington? It wasn't Daniel Snyder. We reveal

(01:51:53):
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He's George rice Ster, sitting in for Doug today. I've
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(01:52:15):
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(01:52:58):
Roger Goodell is pushing the Redskins to change their name.
This according to a source with knowledge of the situation
that Goodell quote pushed Snyder very hard end quote to
make this change and basically went full force in persuading
this to happen. No, good on Goodell for for doing

(01:53:19):
that and stepping up and doing it in a way
that it's a behind the scenes role. A lot of
times this stuff is put on in the open. But uh,
I say, good On Goodell, Yeah, and that doesn't sound
good George, you go no, no, no, no, no, it's
good that that that he did. But ultimately Goodell works

(01:53:40):
for the owner, so he can try to influence them
as much as he wants. It's it's up to them
to be open minded and realized that something is not
only good for the league, but good for their brand
as well. Well. Yeah, and that's you don't remember to
Daniel Snyder doesn't do this if it isn't good for him.
A variety of of spots, just I mean, new stadium,

(01:54:05):
whether it be new merchandise, whether it be um you know,
maybe getting other you know owners to come in, uh,
to purchase that stake that you just talked with we
just talked with Jerry Brewer about. But yeah, Dance stud
is gonna get some benefit from this as well, for sure. Yeah.
And by the way, guys, the odds are coming in
from our friends over at bet online dot age red

(01:54:28):
Tales three to one. They are the leader in the clubhouse.
You've also got the General's four to one, the Warriors
four to one, and Dan's favorite, the Monuments down at
eight to one. That is not true. That is not true.
I made that joke once and somebody didn't laugh. By

(01:54:48):
the way, Generals is actually four to one. No, yes,
yes it is. Yeah. So the losing ist sports team
in the history of sports, the Washington General else who
never beat the Harlem Globe drivers. Maybe they beat him
once and I don't think that they did. But that's
who you want to name, like that has four to
one odds, you know, Like, I don't see what the

(01:55:09):
problem is. Man, Man, no way, I hey, I would
I would be fine with the Red Tails. I do
want red Wolves. I am on the Red Wolves bandwagon,
but I I could live with red Tails. But I
am all red Wolves right now. And Dan, we also
know you are on the Seahawks train. That is your

(01:55:30):
team and peat Carroll has spoken to reporters recently, and
given what's going on with the whole virus situation, he
is open to seeing the training camps get pushed a
little bit back, just to be safe and to what
he says, be used as an advantage for his players.
I don't think that there's any doubt that the things

(01:55:52):
are going to be pushed back, especially now with what's happened.
You know today here the state of California, a bunch
of stuff shutting down. I I think that you could
see that another spots of the country as well. But
also you've got a bunch of teams here in California,
the Rams and Chargers and forty Niners. So yeah, there's
going to be. Yeah, I think that you're gonna see tilS. Yeah,

(01:56:13):
it feels inevitable at this point, but you just don't
like to see it. But at least you have a
a point of reference for well, at least you can
be hopeful that you may eventually have sports if people
do change their behavior, because they may get sick of
I want something that, I want something different. At this

(01:56:35):
point in time, big names guys trying to buy the
New York Mets, and the names include Travis Kelsey, Brian
or Locker, DeMarco Murray, Bradley Beale teaming up with Alex Rodriguez,
Jennifer Lopez, and I've heard even Dan Buyer is involved
in this. Really sources are telling me, oh wow, that's

(01:56:59):
that would be. I'll tell you what. They're gonna have
more owners than the Packers have, you know, with like
I'm sorry, you know, Dravis Kelsey's a great height end.
I don't think he has a minority ownership money. You know,
in Major League Baseball, Aaron Rodgers has a slight minority
share of the Milwaukee Bucks. But this is all just
for headlines and its typical Mets. Yeah, that's all I need.

(01:57:24):
All I need is a loose fifty mill land land
around so I can get me about two percent of
the Mets, I would definitely or two to five percent,
I would definitely be all in on that. I do
love the fact that former athletes, well current and former
athletes are getting on the ownership side. That will change

(01:57:45):
the balance of power, which will get which will break
up the good old boys club. So I definitely hope
that they get the team backing out there. That was
the press. I'll tell you what for. For two percent,
you don't even get the in Mets though. There's gonna
there's gonna be somebody who's who's going to get tickets

(01:58:08):
when you can actually go to games. George, it's been fun.
We'll talk to you later here on the Dung Gottlieb
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