In this episode, Doug explains why there would be no going back from a Coach K proposed all inclusive 2021 NCAA Tournament, gives his analysis of the Lakers and Clippers Western Conference Semifinals performances so far, and previews what seems like their inevitable WCF matchup. Oregon St. Asst. - and brother - Gregg Gottlieb joins the pod to discuss Michael Porter, Jr.'s public comments questioning his coaches, and the fallout from Nuggets teammates and coaches. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts!
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Let me get to a one one story in basketball,
it's the idea of the A c C proposed of
having basically like the old school Indiana basketball everybody gets
in n s A tournament. I don't hate the idea, um,
I really don't. I just there's a lot of unintended
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consequences of it. And the biggest unintended consequence would be
that once you allow that to happen, it's really hard
to go back right. It just is you know what
is that once the once the genie is out of
the bottle. That's that's the expression. There's no three wishes
here that puts them back in the bottle, and you
can't wish for the genius freedom. Even though that eventually
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happened at the end of a Laddin genie, you're free. Um.
But but what I think is U is interesting about
it is like, look, Mike Tachevsky obviously is as well
respected a guy as there is. He's an incredible coach
and ambassador for the game, and I do think that
a lot of it comes from the goodness of his heart.
But there is the other side to it, which is
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there's a reality to college sports financially suffering, and this
would lessen the financial burden and all these schools to
put on games, because that burden would be placed upon
the n c A, not upon the member schools or
their conferences for their conference tournament. It's not a terrible idea,
it's just not one that's really able to be exercised.
And what it does is it says your regular season
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didn't mean anything, which it won't mean a ton anyway,
and now it would mean nothing at least for this year.
And once you include everybody, it's really hard to start
being exclusive starting back now, Oh, next year, we'll go
back to not letting everybody in. Good luck with that.
That doesn't usually happen. We didn't go from sixty four
to sixty five to sixty eight teams. Then people go like,
let's go back to sixty four. That doesn't happen. So look,
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does does the does everybody getting in? Sound like a
good idea? Sure? UM? I had lots of questions. You know,
what what do you do to ESPN, who had to
have all this conference championships and provides so much of
the money that that's used by those conferences? Uh it
would CBS and TURN be willing to pay more? I
think the answer is yes, but more than anything, like
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is that really what the tournaments about? And I do
understand for one year, you know, for one year you
can make a lot of adjustments, I mean a lot
of adjustments to what you want to do. So, UM,
I get it. I just don't think it's likely to happen,
although there's no reason to not think that. I love
that these conferences are expanding the number of conference conference games.
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I think you should play everybody in your conference twice
and there's other games, all right, you can play all
buy games outside that, and I play a tournament like
that's not let's roll. I also like the idea of
pushing back the season should have been pushed back a
long time ago. Thanksgiving is a perfect time to have
your first, you know, your first tournaments of the you know,
your first tournament of the of the year, and then
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play a couple of games and don't play maybe another
tournament in Christmas time, and then play conference games when
students get back onto campus. I think all of those
things should, in fact happen. Let's turn to the NBA,
where I've watched a lot of the Lakers, and I
gotta tell you that, uh, there are parts of Lebron
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James game which you're still kind of missing. I don't
know what's going on the free throw line, the post
game is still and and there seems to be times
which he's not trusting his gem shot. But and you're like, well, hater, no,
but the athleticism is insane for a guy his age
and at his body size, and to the effort defensively
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is uh pretty incredible. That's really kind of what it
comes down to. The the effort defensively is just magnificent.
And you know, I I think of it and I
look at it, and I'm like, man, that guy is
just such a competitor that he has guys playing at
a level so far above defensively what they should be
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playing great leadership. I don't know if they have overall
what it takes to beat the Clippers. But the Clippers
are so hit and missed, you know, Paul George is
so up and down here in the playoffs. Kauai is great.
He's the best player. And I think that having Kauai
and Paul George, who can both guard Lebron James' mantra,
is a little bit. The problem is that the Clippers
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don't have anybody who can really guard Anthony Davis. And
now that Anthony Davis after the first game of playoffs
with the Houston Rockets, he seems to two things. One
have gotten clearer sightlines, posting him up more kind of
quick posting him and have him going really quickly, and
and just being more dominant inside. Now he's playing against
Mighty Mites, right, That's what what he's playing against. Play
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playing against Mighty Mites, the Houston Rockets. But it's the
way in which he's competing that's really what's special. Now.
As for the Clippers, I don't mind Patrick Beverley talking trash.
I I think Hawai is the best player. I do
think that there's there's something missing there and maybe they
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misplayed this thing. The Clippers didn't think they would be
great until March or April, and then of course once
March came around, we had to shut it down and
they were still kind of rounding into shape. I think
now you start to figure, you start to understand that
they weren't right then, and maybe I thought a little
extra training camp, extra lead up games, but they never
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had their whole team. I question whether or not they'll
be able to have that have that type of cohesion.
And five as one that they played game four of
the series with the Nuggets. That's about as good as
you can play defensively, Like the Nuggets can. Michael Border Jr.
Can sit there and we're gonna talk about him with
my brother greg Um, what his comments. They can sit
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there and say we need to move the ball more.
But the difference that you have two great players and
they just chose to play great defense. They bought in
from the second that there was a jump ball really
to the end of the game. That type of efforts
we're gonna take to beat the Lakers, who play with
the same type of defensive intensity. The Lakers just don't
have the surrounding scoring that the Clippers have. All right,
let's welcome him in. He's a long time twenty five
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year assistant in college basketball. He's also my brother and
he appears again on the podcast. He's the coach Graig
gottlieb Okay, So Greg, let me let me get your
take on Michael Porter Jr. Who really talented kid. Um.
You know, his dad's been an assistant on the women's
side at Missouri and then of course the men's side
at Washington, and then was an assistant when his son
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was a player at Missouri and h m M b
J didn't he was he rookie this year, last year,
right didn't play his first year, and he has had
some scoring outbursts in the bubble. But it's more what
he said after they lost what feels like a deciding
you know, like almost a series clinching Game four, where
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he called out his coaching staff for not utilizing everybody. Right.
He he he did say that your Kitchen and Jamal
Murray are great players, but hey, we gotta get more
people involved the coaching You how does how does that
land in the coach's locker room? Well, first of all,
you know, I think the context you watch it and uh,
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you know, like you said, he was he was a
rookie last year, but he didn't play at all last year,
so this is really his first year. And uh um,
I'm looking at it like, uh, he made a key
mistake with the media too, you know, and especially in
the playoffs in this situation, I think they kind of
walked him into that question and he kind of I
think he went down that road before he realized maybe
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what he did. But you know, as a coach, um,
you know, you can't you can't be uh, you don't
want to be questioning the tactics or what you're doing,
um in the media by any stretch. I think that
kind of undermines the group as a whole. Those are
definitely things that need to be taken in the context
of of in the locker room and things that don't
leave the locker room. But again, I think he kind
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of gotten he got baited into that, and then I
think he kept going I'm not realizing what he had done.
I would bet he probably is looking back saying, uh,
I probably shouldn't have done that, you know, but the
damage is done. I also think though this is something
that you know, I talked about at the time. You
know he is he and and and Trey Young is
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you know they played it together obviously in au basketball.
But they're they're one of the same in that their
dads were players, their dads have protected them. They're they're
like bubble boys a little bit where they haven't had
as many normal interactions with teammates, with the media, they
haven't had the ups and downs like it's like in
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an effort to produce these super talented, um offensive players,
like there's there's some normal kind of on a connective
tissue that that's kind of missing and how they interact
with other people right like um And it doesn't make
them bad people, and it doesn't make their parents bad people,
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but it does there's there's an arrested development there where
they're not they they want to sound and be professional,
and they do on the on the surface make that appearance,
but the reality is they're just kids who haven't experienced
lots of things, like they ain't experienced playing with the
type of hardcore dude that puts them up against the
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wall and be like yo, who are you talking to?
Or hey, bud, Until you can actually guard somebody, you
shouldn't be speaking on anything else going on the NBA,
these two things would be would be accurate. And I
I agree with anyone who says, like, well, there wasn't
anything sinister about it, because he's talking about his whole
team and how good his whole team is. Like yeah,
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but that doesn't that doesn't make that doesn't help you
win games. It only hurts you. There's there's nothing Ted
is going to help anybody win a game. Well, again,
you gotta take the other side of the context, though, right,
I mean, he played one game at Missouri I think,
and then head back issue and so you know, uh,
and then and then really didn't didn't do anything last year,
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and and he's just starting to play, so all of
a sudden, this is really he had very little interaction
with the media. I think, even despite the fact that
he was the number one player in his class. You know,
when you're when you're rein recruited in in high school,
you know, all the interaction is how great you are.
There really is no there's you know, you don't see
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the downside. You're not getting walked into things like this,
So you know, I would chalk it up to his
inexperience in terms of handling that. I think you know,
all good players, especially as you go up, they all
have an opinion. I mean, he's played for some good coaches,
he's he is a coach his son, so he's gonna
have an opinion. Those are those are all valid things
that he talked about that would happen. Uh, you know,
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you might discuss with your team or with the coaching
staff when it comes down to trying to figure out
you know, I think he came from the context of
what we gotta do to win, So I think all
those things were good. I just think again, I can't
say that stuff to the me in the media, And
then you've got to be smart enough to know when
they're baiting you to say that, because I mean, that's
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that's all those guys are looking for. I mean that,
you know, kulos So the guy that did that, that
asked the questions that they walked him right into that um.
But that's where I think the biggest mistake lies right there.
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have such a negative like you're the undertones. You're so
negative about the media, right, like like it's all of them.
(14:36):
It's like, yeah, and by the way, if you're on
a podcast, you're you're actually kind of but yeah, yeah,
So I don't. I don't think. I mean, I like, look,
you're gonna tell me what you're gonna tell me. Nobody
can force you to give me any sort of answers
that you don't want to provide. You know, if I
ask you, hey, what would you do? What would you
do differently? Or what do you think of your team's approach,
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it's up to you as that he's not a dummy. Yes,
he's inexperienced and he's young, but he's not dummy. He's
able to form his own sort of opinion and way
of talking about and painting it. But I don't, Yeah,
I think know that when you're in experience, you know
you you you get into a conversation and you don't realize,
you know, how important it is you know the words
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you choose or when you need to know sometimes when
you you need to end end it and control it
to control the interview if you're if you're in that position,
and so if you you know, like I said, they
asked him that. They asked him a couple of questions.
He answered it honestly, maybe a little bit too honest
given the as I said, But then the then the
follow up question after that. I think that's where he
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called went a little clue far and uh, that's where
as an experienced guy, you you know, you find a
way to navigate around that so that you don't become
quick bait. You know, right now you know he's trending
because of all that. You know, So that I mean,
let me let me play, let me play, let's play that,
Let's play that sound here, let's play that's take a
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listen to the play, cause it's really up to the
coaches who they want to put them put the ball
in whose hand? Um? We kept going to yoaka mall
um and that's you know, I think that's there's there're
two amazing players, so you can never get mad at that.
But I just think to beat that team, we gotta
get more players involved. We got to move the ball
a little bit better. I mean it had kind of worked, right, Like,
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I don't know, Jamal Murray has been so impressive to me,
Like I had no idea he had this in him,
did you Well? I think yeah, I think last year
even he had some big time moments. But you know,
Denver is not a team that you watched all the
time unless you're in the Denver market. So, um, I
thought he was a hell of a player. Um. Obviously
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he's just continued to send to you know, UM, he's
risen an occasion for sure. Um and and I loved um.
But I mean, and I don't think even right there's
would got him in trouble. I think to allow up
after that, you know, he kept going. I think that
that point he's saying, you know, not just you know,
those guys have got to be able to to we
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gotta balance. We need a balance scoring attack right there.
So I don't know that that's you know, it's after
when he talked about you know, plays the coaches call
and things like that. So I mean, you know, the
argument is, if you're a really good player, you find
other ways to score when you don't have the ball, right,
go get it off the glass, touch to the basket,
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get an offensive rebound, run the floor. Um, you know,
make him pay for helping that kind of stuff. Yeah no,
And I actually think that's another issue we have with
how basketball is taught at such a young age, which
is everything is taught with what you do with the
basketball in your hands. And you know, it's like Billy
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Donovan's is that game is the game is played without
the ball in your hands. That's what you can you can't.
You're gonna make shots, You're gonna miss shots. Is what
else do you do? And I do think he's a
guy who, uh that is very good with the ball
in his hands. But it's the other stuff that he
doesn't do and doesn't kind of get yet. And maybe
that's a little bit of And by the way, playing
through Yoki Yoki is essentially their point guard, right, Like
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of course I would play through yokurch He's an incredible
passer and with his size, he has great vision. And
and again it doesn't it's not even if what he
said was right, it's just more the fact of, hey, dude,
what are you doing right? And the only thing you
can you don't. You don't. You don't air your those
things in the public. Those are things that gone in
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the locker room. Yeah, you know, um, but I'm giving him.
I'm only giving him a path because is because of
his youth and inexperience. And I'm saying, you know what,
I bet you if you were to ask him, he'd
agree with us and say, you know what, Probably I
probably shouldn't have said that right now I'm looking at
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so So tomorrow night you're gonna have Celtics Raptors and
they're coming off a double overtime game. It's Game seven,
and those guys, I don't if you saw, I mean
that the minutes that they played, the shot making and
double overtime was obscene, just obscene for those guys to
be making those shots under that sort of pressure. You know, Like,
I don't think the defense broke down that much in
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the second overtime that you can honestly point to and go, yeah,
that's why there was the offensive output. But Lowry played
fifty three minutes, I Can played fifty four, uh O
g and Obi played fifty Van Bleep played fifty one.
For the Celtics, you had four of their starters played
fifty or more minutes. Uh, your general philosophy, You have
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a you have one day in between games. Guys are
just dusted, guys are tired. What do you do? You know,
most of everything in preparation wise is gonna be mental,
because the whole key would be obviously physical recoveries everything.
So they might be walking through some stuff. They might
they might show up and shoot a little bit, but
they're gonna do very little. They're going to get off
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their feet and then they walked through is the scoutter report.
They watched some film on the on the on the
last game, whatever adjustments they think they need to make.
But this is just as much mental as it is physical. Yeah,
I wonder if and and Kemba Kemba did not play well,
did not shoot the balls well at all yet last night.
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I just I do wonder if who's going to it's
it's a risky play, But who's gonna run the risk
of playing your bench early in the game so that
your starters maybe have juice in the tank late in
the game. Although I also think that that some of
that the fatigue stuff. While it's gonna be really hard
in the next round, whoever gets the Eastern Conference Finals.
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I think, you know, um, you're what's the word I'm
looking for, Like the competitiveness will to kind of push
you through, kind of push you over the top. So
I don't think it's like I think the fatigue thig
is a little bit overrated. Once we get into a game.
I think to get your kind of motor started and
you get started out a halftime is hard. And I
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do think that if you're just dead tired, you don't
have you know, you don't have the juice. But the
idea of you know, like minutes like once you start going,
if you got it, you got it. I don't. I
don't know. I was never a guy who'd like to
come out of a game, So I don't really I'm
not really bothered by those side types of minutes. Yeah,
but I would also say maybe the game was going
to favor the team that's going to get the most um.
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You know, layups are getting downhill more and going to
shoot more free throws based on that, right, because you know,
when you're tired, the thing that maybe goes as you're
ability to shoot the ball. Um, you know, who knows,
maybe that there may be another guy that emerges. Um,
that didn't play as much in that last series, it's
going to have to be a factor. But at the
end of the day, like you, you know, I think
the playoffs are so different than the regular NBA season.
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You know, now, when it's win or go home, you
know you're gonna you have to reach down and find
an extra gear. And that's what makes these guys great.
You know, these are the moments that really define them
as players. To write, so I think, um, you know
you're if you're really good and you're tired, you're gonna
rise to the occasion. Uh. The last thing, there is
proposal from the A c C which has roundly been
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shot down, but I actually understand some of the thinking
of it. We talked about a little bit earlier on
the on the podcast What What. What's your take on
the idea of having a special n A term where
everybody gets in this year. You know, Um, there's two
sides of that, right, I Mean, the one side is
like it could be a really interesting tournament, for sure.
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I think it'd be really be crazy to see how
it would work. But the other side of it is
like they kind of almost defeat some of the purpose
of what you do during the regular season. Um. And
it's such a tremendous thing, an opportunity to be a
part of it, you know, just just for a lot
of teams, just going to the n c A tournament
is like winning it all. Um. So, I don't know
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if it takes away from all that, you know. I
love the idea that we're willing to think outside the box.
So you know, I think that's always been my biggest thing,
is like, you know, we just aways do the same
thing because it's all we've ever done. Why not why
not use this? This might be the year to do it,
especially if we don't have as many conference games or
nonconference games as we normally would have, you know. And
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um so I think and from that side, it would
be it would be interesting to see. But the other
side is it does it take away from it being special?
You know? Um? But again, this could be just a
special year altogether, right, So, I mean it's really would
be crazy to think if you had a tournament like
that after having no tournament the year before, to the
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combination of that together, and that would be you know, bizarre.
Um And then who knows if the TV would would
would you know, be interested in that. Well, I think
they'd be interested in the question would be, you know,
what would you do to your other team? Like, what
would you what would happen with the ESPN, who of
course owns the rights to all those UH conference championship games?
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Would they be allowed to broadcast the tournament games? How?
I mean it could be worked out and you have
enough time to do it. What would the you know,
rate of pay by? And you know the other thing
is like I think people think that you're creating you're
just kind of creating to a two or three more rounds.
I mean that's all you're really doing, which you're not.
You don't have the inventory that you have with the
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conference tournaments. I think the a c C A good
portion of it is, Hey, these schools that don't know
if they can play or not. It's it's out of
you know, it's out of financial difficulty. You're not gonna
have some non conference games being played. Here's a way
where if you play an n c A tournament game,
it all goes to the n c A tournam in
terms of a bill right between testing and everything else
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that goes into it. Let the n pay for it.
And while that sounds like a good idea on paper,
and practice it's it's a lot more difficult. I think
those are all the practical reasons, you know, I'm just
saying yeah, And I think for an emotional reason, like
I said, is it really special if everybody gets to
be a part of it this time? You know? And uh,
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and really when you have all those games, I mean
even when this there's sixty four uh, you know games
going on right that round, the sixty four first round,
it's hard to keep it, keep track of them all
at once. I mean you imagine if the first weekend
we're a lot of games aren't going to be seen.
To be honest, alright, one story before you go, give me.
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Give me a recruiting story player, whether it's where you
saw him, how you found him, something that happened on
a visit. I need one recruiting story. Well, a kid
that we got, our kid that we didn't get, the
um Skylar Spencer kid we didn't get. I always love
(25:39):
that one because I just couldn't help it started laughing.
Um kid, Skylar Spencer is a kid from Price High School.
We had two kids from Price High School already on
our team, and Skyler was a really good prospect, but
a young kid. At matter of fact, his coach called him, uh,
big puppy because he just he was just like a
(26:01):
puppy man. He was kind of long and gangly and
really athletic turned into I think he might be the
all time leading shop blocker at San Diego State UM.
But like he literally shot his free throw, he might
have been better shooting his free throws underhand because he
could not shoot a lick. And that was something I
think Mike Montgomery couldn't get over when we were at COW.
But I just remember two things sitting in there with
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with his with his family when they came up to
campus to visit. And the first thing was his dad
had in his mind, which I don't think was was
the case, but he had us tried to convince us
that the reason he named Skyler was you know, a
marketing thing when he was a baby, that he was
name him Skyler because of sky hook and uh, which
(26:48):
I thought was a little comical. But the other thing
that I thought was kind of funny was when he
told us, UM he said, he said, you know, I
got Skyler working out. We just got him a bowflex
and so you know, we got him on a weight
program with the bot Flex, and I've never ever heard
of anybody. I don't know anybody that has a bowt Flex,
let alone a Division one player that builds his body
(27:08):
on the Botlex. So I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah,
I got one for you, Scylert. I don't know if
you knew this story. Um, I think his dad was
he right or left handed, and his dad, his dad
actually taped duct taped I'm going to say, like his
one of his arms like to his side so he
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couldn't use that arm, you know. To me, I think
it was I think he did to his right arm
to make him use his left hand, make him shoot
and dribble and everything with his left hand. And I
remember the sending of the state coaches telling me like
that's why he's so scart. He didn't know what hand
he was supposed to use, because when they when he
worked out, when he was like in middle and high school,
his dad would tape his hand to his side. I mean,
(27:53):
his dad was exuberant guy though he was leading the
cheers at Price High School, give me a pe, give
me an R and he go on down and uh, great,
great kid, you know. Um, but that that was kind
of just something I always remember, you know. That was
the first and only kid I knew that trained on
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I do not have a bow flex. I do not.
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Celtics were one actually point five seconds away from going
up three games to none, and now they got a
battle out in the game seven against the team that
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but we could very easily have the Raptors or the Heat,
you know, against the Lakers in the finals. I wouldn't
be Heat Lakers kind of interesting and everyone thought of
that as a possibility, but I guess that is a possibility. Um.
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Gottlieb and this is the all new all fall. Let's
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Let me get to a one one story in basketball,
it's the idea of the A c C proposed of
having basically like the old school Indiana basketball everybody gets
in n s A tournament. I don't hate the idea, um,
I really don't. I just there's a lot of unintended
(01:55):
consequences of it. And the biggest unintended consequence would be
that once you allow that to happen, it's really hard
to go back right. It just is you know what
is that once the once the genie is out of
the bottle. That's that's the expression. There's no three wishes
here that puts them back in the bottle, and you
can't wish for the genius freedom. Even though that eventually
(02:17):
happened at the end of a Laddin genie, you're free. Um.
But but what I think is U is interesting about
it is like, look, Mike Tachevsky obviously is as well
respected a guy as there is. He's an incredible coach
and ambassador for the game, and I do think that
a lot of it comes from the goodness of his heart.
But there is the other side to it, which is
(02:38):
there's a reality to college sports financially suffering, and this
would lessen the financial burden and all these schools to
put on games, because that burden would be placed upon
the n c A, not upon the member schools or
their conferences for their conference tournament. It's not a terrible idea,
it's just not one that's really able to be exercised.
And what it does is it says your regular season
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didn't mean anything, which it won't mean a ton anyway,
and now it would mean nothing at least for this year.
And once you include everybody, it's really hard to start
being exclusive starting back now, Oh, next year, we'll go
back to not letting everybody in. Good luck with that.
That doesn't usually happen. We didn't go from sixty four
to sixty five to sixty eight teams. Then people go like,
let's go back to sixty four. That doesn't happen. So look,
(03:22):
does does the does everybody getting in? Sound like a
good idea? Sure? UM? I had lots of questions. You know,
what what do you do to ESPN, who had to
have all this conference championships and provides so much of
the money that that's used by those conferences? Uh it
would CBS and TURN be willing to pay more? I
think the answer is yes, but more than anything, like
(03:43):
is that really what the tournaments about? And I do
understand for one year, you know, for one year you
can make a lot of adjustments, I mean a lot
of adjustments to what you want to do. So, UM,
I get it. I just don't think it's likely to happen,
although there's no reason to not think that. I love
that these conferences are expanding the number of conference conference games.
(04:06):
I think you should play everybody in your conference twice
and there's other games, all right, you can play all
buy games outside that, and I play a tournament like
that's not let's roll. I also like the idea of
pushing back the season should have been pushed back a
long time ago. Thanksgiving is a perfect time to have
your first, you know, your first tournaments of the you know,
your first tournament of the of the year, and then
(04:28):
play a couple of games and don't play maybe another
tournament in Christmas time, and then play conference games when
students get back onto campus. I think all of those
things should, in fact happen. Let's turn to the NBA,
where I've watched a lot of the Lakers, and I
gotta tell you that, uh, there are parts of Lebron
(04:49):
James game which you're still kind of missing. I don't
know what's going on the free throw line, the post
game is still and and there seems to be times
which he's not trusting his gem shot. But and you're like, well, hater, no,
but the athleticism is insane for a guy his age
and at his body size, and to the effort defensively
(05:10):
is uh pretty incredible. That's really kind of what it
comes down to. The the effort defensively is just magnificent.
And you know, I I think of it and I
look at it, and I'm like, man, that guy is
just such a competitor that he has guys playing at
a level so far above defensively what they should be
(05:33):
playing great leadership. I don't know if they have overall
what it takes to beat the Clippers. But the Clippers
are so hit and missed, you know, Paul George is
so up and down here in the playoffs. Kauai is great.
He's the best player. And I think that having Kauai
and Paul George, who can both guard Lebron James' mantra,
is a little bit. The problem is that the Clippers
(05:55):
don't have anybody who can really guard Anthony Davis. And
now that Anthony Davis after the first game of playoffs
with the Houston Rockets, he seems to two things. One
have gotten clearer sightlines, posting him up more kind of
quick posting him and have him going really quickly, and
and just being more dominant inside. Now he's playing against
Mighty Mites, right, That's what what he's playing against. Play
(06:16):
playing against Mighty Mites, the Houston Rockets. But it's the
way in which he's competing that's really what's special. Now.
As for the Clippers, I don't mind Patrick Beverley talking trash.
I I think Hawai is the best player. I do
think that there's there's something missing there and maybe they
(06:37):
misplayed this thing. The Clippers didn't think they would be
great until March or April, and then of course once
March came around, we had to shut it down and
they were still kind of rounding into shape. I think
now you start to figure, you start to understand that
they weren't right then, and maybe I thought a little
extra training camp, extra lead up games, but they never
(06:59):
had their whole team. I question whether or not they'll
be able to have that have that type of cohesion.
And five as one that they played game four of
the series with the Nuggets. That's about as good as
you can play defensively, Like the Nuggets can. Michael Border Jr.
Can sit there and we're gonna talk about him with
my brother greg Um, what his comments. They can sit
(07:22):
there and say we need to move the ball more.
But the difference that you have two great players and
they just chose to play great defense. They bought in
from the second that there was a jump ball really
to the end of the game. That type of efforts
we're gonna take to beat the Lakers, who play with
the same type of defensive intensity. The Lakers just don't
have the surrounding scoring that the Clippers have. All right,
let's welcome him in. He's a long time twenty five
(07:44):
year assistant in college basketball. He's also my brother and
he appears again on the podcast. He's the coach Graig
gottlieb Okay, So Greg, let me let me get your
take on Michael Porter Jr. Who really talented kid. Um.
You know, his dad's been an assistant on the women's
side at Missouri and then of course the men's side
at Washington, and then was an assistant when his son
(08:06):
was a player at Missouri and h m M b
J didn't he was he rookie this year, last year,
right didn't play his first year, and he has had
some scoring outbursts in the bubble. But it's more what
he said after they lost what feels like a deciding
you know, like almost a series clinching Game four, where
(08:27):
he called out his coaching staff for not utilizing everybody. Right.
He he he did say that your Kitchen and Jamal
Murray are great players, but hey, we gotta get more
people involved the coaching You how does how does that
land in the coach's locker room? Well, first of all,
you know, I think the context you watch it and uh,
(08:50):
you know, like you said, he was he was a
rookie last year, but he didn't play at all last year,
so this is really his first year. And uh um,
I'm looking at it like, uh, he made a key
mistake with the media too, you know, and especially in
the playoffs in this situation, I think they kind of
walked him into that question and he kind of I
think he went down that road before he realized maybe
(09:12):
what he did. But you know, as a coach, um,
you know, you can't you can't be uh, you don't
want to be questioning the tactics or what you're doing,
um in the media by any stretch. I think that
kind of undermines the group as a whole. Those are
definitely things that need to be taken in the context
of of in the locker room and things that don't
leave the locker room. But again, I think he kind
(09:35):
of gotten he got baited into that, and then I
think he kept going I'm not realizing what he had done.
I would bet he probably is looking back saying, uh,
I probably shouldn't have done that, you know, but the
damage is done. I also think though this is something
that you know, I talked about at the time. You
know he is he and and and Trey Young is
(09:56):
you know they played it together obviously in au basketball.
But they're they're one of the same in that their
dads were players, their dads have protected them. They're they're
like bubble boys a little bit where they haven't had
as many normal interactions with teammates, with the media, they
haven't had the ups and downs like it's like in
(10:16):
an effort to produce these super talented, um offensive players,
like there's there's some normal kind of on a connective
tissue that that's kind of missing and how they interact
with other people right like um And it doesn't make
them bad people, and it doesn't make their parents bad people,
(10:36):
but it does there's there's an arrested development there where
they're not they they want to sound and be professional,
and they do on the on the surface make that appearance,
but the reality is they're just kids who haven't experienced
lots of things, like they ain't experienced playing with the
type of hardcore dude that puts them up against the
(10:57):
wall and be like yo, who are you talking to?
Or hey, bud, Until you can actually guard somebody, you
shouldn't be speaking on anything else going on the NBA,
these two things would be would be accurate. And I
I agree with anyone who says, like, well, there wasn't
anything sinister about it, because he's talking about his whole
team and how good his whole team is. Like yeah,
(11:18):
but that doesn't that doesn't make that doesn't help you
win games. It only hurts you. There's there's nothing Ted
is going to help anybody win a game. Well, again,
you gotta take the other side of the context, though, right,
I mean, he played one game at Missouri I think,
and then head back issue and so you know, uh,
and then and then really didn't didn't do anything last year,
(11:41):
and and he's just starting to play, so all of
a sudden, this is really he had very little interaction
with the media. I think, even despite the fact that
he was the number one player in his class. You know,
when you're when you're rein recruited in in high school,
you know, all the interaction is how great you are.
There really is no there's you know, you don't see
(12:01):
the downside. You're not getting walked into things like this,
So you know, I would chalk it up to his
inexperience in terms of handling that. I think you know,
all good players, especially as you go up, they all
have an opinion. I mean, he's played for some good coaches,
he's he is a coach his son, so he's gonna
have an opinion. Those are those are all valid things
that he talked about that would happen. Uh, you know,
(12:22):
you might discuss with your team or with the coaching
staff when it comes down to trying to figure out
you know, I think he came from the context of
what we gotta do to win, So I think all
those things were good. I just think again, I can't
say that stuff to the me in the media, And
then you've got to be smart enough to know when
they're baiting you to say that, because I mean, that's
(12:42):
that's all those guys are looking for. I mean that,
you know, kulos So the guy that did that, that
asked the questions that they walked him right into that um.
But that's where I think the biggest mistake lies right there.
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have such a negative like you're the undertones. You're so
negative about the media, right, like like it's all of them.
(14:36):
It's like, yeah, and by the way, if you're on
a podcast, you're you're actually kind of but yeah, yeah,
So I don't. I don't think. I mean, I like, look,
you're gonna tell me what you're gonna tell me. Nobody
can force you to give me any sort of answers
that you don't want to provide. You know, if I
ask you, hey, what would you do? What would you
do differently? Or what do you think of your team's approach,
(14:57):
it's up to you as that he's not a dummy. Yes,
he's inexperienced and he's young, but he's not dummy. He's
able to form his own sort of opinion and way
of talking about and painting it. But I don't, Yeah,
I think know that when you're in experience, you know
you you you get into a conversation and you don't realize,
you know, how important it is you know the words
(15:18):
you choose or when you need to know sometimes when
you you need to end end it and control it
to control the interview if you're if you're in that position,
and so if you you know, like I said, they
asked him that. They asked him a couple of questions.
He answered it honestly, maybe a little bit too honest
given the as I said, But then the then the
follow up question after that. I think that's where he
(15:38):
called went a little clue far and uh, that's where
as an experienced guy, you you know, you find a
way to navigate around that so that you don't become
quick bait. You know, right now you know he's trending
because of all that. You know, So that I mean,
let me let me play, let me play, let's play that,
Let's play that sound here, let's play that's take a
(16:00):
listen to the play, cause it's really up to the
coaches who they want to put them put the ball
in whose hand? Um? We kept going to yoaka mall
um and that's you know, I think that's there's there're
two amazing players, so you can never get mad at that.
But I just think to beat that team, we gotta
get more players involved. We got to move the ball
a little bit better. I mean it had kind of worked, right, Like,
(16:26):
I don't know, Jamal Murray has been so impressive to me,
Like I had no idea he had this in him,
did you Well? I think yeah, I think last year
even he had some big time moments. But you know,
Denver is not a team that you watched all the
time unless you're in the Denver market. So, um, I
thought he was a hell of a player. Um. Obviously
(16:46):
he's just continued to send to you know, UM, he's
risen an occasion for sure. Um and and I loved um.
But I mean, and I don't think even right there's
would got him in trouble. I think to allow up
after that, you know, he kept going. I think that
that point he's saying, you know, not just you know,
those guys have got to be able to to we
(17:08):
gotta balance. We need a balance scoring attack right there.
So I don't know that that's you know, it's after
when he talked about you know, plays the coaches call
and things like that. So I mean, you know, the
argument is, if you're a really good player, you find
other ways to score when you don't have the ball, right,
go get it off the glass, touch to the basket,
(17:30):
get an offensive rebound, run the floor. Um, you know,
make him pay for helping that kind of stuff. Yeah no,
And I actually think that's another issue we have with
how basketball is taught at such a young age, which
is everything is taught with what you do with the
basketball in your hands. And you know, it's like Billy
(17:50):
Donovan's is that game is the game is played without
the ball in your hands. That's what you can you can't.
You're gonna make shots, You're gonna miss shots. Is what
else do you do? And I do think he's a
guy who, uh that is very good with the ball
in his hands. But it's the other stuff that he
doesn't do and doesn't kind of get yet. And maybe
that's a little bit of And by the way, playing
through Yoki Yoki is essentially their point guard, right, Like
(18:13):
of course I would play through yokurch He's an incredible
passer and with his size, he has great vision. And
and again it doesn't it's not even if what he
said was right, it's just more the fact of, hey, dude,
what are you doing right? And the only thing you
can you don't. You don't. You don't air your those
things in the public. Those are things that gone in
(18:34):
the locker room. Yeah, you know, um, but I'm giving him.
I'm only giving him a path because is because of
his youth and inexperience. And I'm saying, you know what,
I bet you if you were to ask him, he'd
agree with us and say, you know what, Probably I
probably shouldn't have said that right now I'm looking at
(18:55):
so So tomorrow night you're gonna have Celtics Raptors and
they're coming off a double overtime game. It's Game seven,
and those guys, I don't if you saw, I mean
that the minutes that they played, the shot making and
double overtime was obscene, just obscene for those guys to
be making those shots under that sort of pressure. You know, Like,
I don't think the defense broke down that much in
(19:16):
the second overtime that you can honestly point to and go, yeah,
that's why there was the offensive output. But Lowry played
fifty three minutes, I Can played fifty four, uh O
g and Obi played fifty Van Bleep played fifty one.
For the Celtics, you had four of their starters played
fifty or more minutes. Uh, your general philosophy, You have
(19:39):
a you have one day in between games. Guys are
just dusted, guys are tired. What do you do? You know,
most of everything in preparation wise is gonna be mental,
because the whole key would be obviously physical recoveries everything.
So they might be walking through some stuff. They might
they might show up and shoot a little bit, but
they're gonna do very little. They're going to get off
(20:00):
their feet and then they walked through is the scoutter report.
They watched some film on the on the on the
last game, whatever adjustments they think they need to make.
But this is just as much mental as it is physical. Yeah,
I wonder if and and Kemba Kemba did not play well,
did not shoot the balls well at all yet last night.
(20:21):
I just I do wonder if who's going to it's
it's a risky play, But who's gonna run the risk
of playing your bench early in the game so that
your starters maybe have juice in the tank late in
the game. Although I also think that that some of
that the fatigue stuff. While it's gonna be really hard
in the next round, whoever gets the Eastern Conference Finals.
(20:41):
I think, you know, um, you're what's the word I'm
looking for, Like the competitiveness will to kind of push
you through, kind of push you over the top. So
I don't think it's like I think the fatigue thig
is a little bit overrated. Once we get into a game.
I think to get your kind of motor started and
you get started out a halftime is hard. And I
(21:02):
do think that if you're just dead tired, you don't
have you know, you don't have the juice. But the
idea of you know, like minutes like once you start going,
if you got it, you got it. I don't. I
don't know. I was never a guy who'd like to
come out of a game, So I don't really I'm
not really bothered by those side types of minutes. Yeah,
but I would also say maybe the game was going
to favor the team that's going to get the most um.
(21:23):
You know, layups are getting downhill more and going to
shoot more free throws based on that, right, because you know,
when you're tired, the thing that maybe goes as you're
ability to shoot the ball. Um, you know, who knows,
maybe that there may be another guy that emerges. Um,
that didn't play as much in that last series, it's
going to have to be a factor. But at the
end of the day, like you, you know, I think
the playoffs are so different than the regular NBA season.
(21:43):
You know, now, when it's win or go home, you
know you're gonna you have to reach down and find
an extra gear. And that's what makes these guys great.
You know, these are the moments that really define them
as players. To write, so I think, um, you know
you're if you're really good and you're tired, you're gonna
rise to the occasion. Uh. The last thing, there is
proposal from the A c C which has roundly been
(22:04):
shot down, but I actually understand some of the thinking
of it. We talked about a little bit earlier on
the on the podcast What What. What's your take on
the idea of having a special n A term where
everybody gets in this year. You know, Um, there's two
sides of that, right, I Mean, the one side is
like it could be a really interesting tournament, for sure.
(22:27):
I think it'd be really be crazy to see how
it would work. But the other side of it is
like they kind of almost defeat some of the purpose
of what you do during the regular season. Um. And
it's such a tremendous thing, an opportunity to be a
part of it, you know, just just for a lot
of teams, just going to the n c A tournament
is like winning it all. Um. So, I don't know
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if it takes away from all that, you know. I
love the idea that we're willing to think outside the box.
So you know, I think that's always been my biggest thing,
is like, you know, we just aways do the same
thing because it's all we've ever done. Why not why
not use this? This might be the year to do it,
especially if we don't have as many conference games or
nonconference games as we normally would have, you know. And
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um so I think and from that side, it would
be it would be interesting to see. But the other
side is it does it take away from it being special?
You know? Um? But again, this could be just a
special year altogether, right, So, I mean it's really would
be crazy to think if you had a tournament like
that after having no tournament the year before, to the
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combination of that together, and that would be you know, bizarre.
Um And then who knows if the TV would would
would you know, be interested in that. Well, I think
they'd be interested in the question would be, you know,
what would you do to your other team? Like, what
would you what would happen with the ESPN, who of
course owns the rights to all those UH conference championship games?
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Would they be allowed to broadcast the tournament games? How?
I mean it could be worked out and you have
enough time to do it. What would the you know,
rate of pay by? And you know the other thing
is like I think people think that you're creating you're
just kind of creating to a two or three more rounds.
I mean that's all you're really doing, which you're not.
You don't have the inventory that you have with the
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conference tournaments. I think the a c C A good
portion of it is, Hey, these schools that don't know
if they can play or not. It's it's out of
you know, it's out of financial difficulty. You're not gonna
have some non conference games being played. Here's a way
where if you play an n c A tournament game,
it all goes to the n c A tournam in
terms of a bill right between testing and everything else
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that goes into it. Let the n pay for it.
And while that sounds like a good idea on paper,
and practice it's it's a lot more difficult. I think
those are all the practical reasons, you know, I'm just
saying yeah, And I think for an emotional reason, like
I said, is it really special if everybody gets to
be a part of it this time? You know? And uh,
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and really when you have all those games, I mean
even when this there's sixty four uh, you know games
going on right that round, the sixty four first round,
it's hard to keep it, keep track of them all
at once. I mean you imagine if the first weekend
we're a lot of games aren't going to be seen.
To be honest, alright, one story before you go, give me.
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Give me a recruiting story player, whether it's where you
saw him, how you found him, something that happened on
a visit. I need one recruiting story. Well, a kid
that we got, our kid that we didn't get, the
um Skylar Spencer kid we didn't get. I always love
(25:39):
that one because I just couldn't help it started laughing.
Um kid, Skylar Spencer is a kid from Price High School.
We had two kids from Price High School already on
our team, and Skyler was a really good prospect, but
a young kid. At matter of fact, his coach called him, uh,
big puppy because he just he was just like a
(26:01):
puppy man. He was kind of long and gangly and
really athletic turned into I think he might be the
all time leading shop blocker at San Diego State UM.
But like he literally shot his free throw, he might
have been better shooting his free throws underhand because he
could not shoot a lick. And that was something I
think Mike Montgomery couldn't get over when we were at COW.
But I just remember two things sitting in there with
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with his with his family when they came up to
campus to visit. And the first thing was his dad
had in his mind, which I don't think was was
the case, but he had us tried to convince us
that the reason he named Skyler was you know, a
marketing thing when he was a baby, that he was
name him Skyler because of sky hook and uh, which
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I thought was a little comical. But the other thing
that I thought was kind of funny was when he
told us, UM he said, he said, you know, I
got Skyler working out. We just got him a bowflex
and so you know, we got him on a weight
program with the bot Flex, and I've never ever heard
of anybody. I don't know anybody that has a bowt Flex,
let alone a Division one player that builds his body
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on the Botlex. So I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah,
I got one for you, Scylert. I don't know if
you knew this story. Um, I think his dad was
he right or left handed, and his dad, his dad
actually taped duct taped I'm going to say, like his
one of his arms like to his side so he
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couldn't use that arm, you know. To me, I think
it was I think he did to his right arm
to make him use his left hand, make him shoot
and dribble and everything with his left hand. And I
remember the sending of the state coaches telling me like
that's why he's so scart. He didn't know what hand
he was supposed to use, because when they when he
worked out, when he was like in middle and high school,
his dad would tape his hand to his side. I mean,
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his dad was exuberant guy though he was leading the
cheers at Price High School, give me a pe, give
me an R and he go on down and uh, great,
great kid, you know. Um, but that that was kind
of just something I always remember, you know. That was
the first and only kid I knew that trained on
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a bowflex. That's a that's a good one, don't you.
I do not have a bow flex. I do not.
I've never used a bow flex, never used one, not
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conclude with this. In regards to the NBA, feels like
Clippers and Lakers gonna happen. At the time of its recording,
we don't know. In terms of Celtics and Raptors, the
Celtics were one actually point five seconds away from going
up three games to none, and now they got a
battle out in the game seven against the team that
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won a championship last year. That's that's crazy. That's where
we are Obviously the Miami Heat are waiting, and we
could I have the Celtics and the Clippers in the finals,
but we could very easily have the Raptors or the Heat,
you know, against the Lakers in the finals. I wouldn't
be Heat Lakers kind of interesting and everyone thought of
that as a possibility, but I guess that is a possibility. Um.
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The one thing you know in game seven is what guys.
You find out what guys really have it inside, what
guys are in shape, who's not in shape, and what
coaches can make the right adjustments and and call the
right plays and get the right shots at the right moments.
Jayson Tatum wasn't great last night, so we'll see if
he can adjust. And obviously you think Gordon Hayward won't play.
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He may he'll be ready for the conference finals. I
do think that Gordon Hayward could add another weapon to
the Celtics. I don't think he screws him up. Audition
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