December 23, 2025 • 51 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Don't go, Philip Rivers, Please do not go. Do not
go anywhere. We hope you don't go anywhere. For the
next two hours. We've got you covered here on Fox
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last night.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
H M.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Brock Purty magnificent performance. Offensively, the Niners were a juggernaut
and guess what, Philip Rivers of the Colts held their own.
Please don't go, Philip Rivers, Please don't go anywhere. But
the Niners get the last laugh. Colts eliminated from the postseason. Yeah,
everything you just said absolutely true. But with Philip Rivers,
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you know what, man, I.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Am really, really, really amazed and actually humbled to see
what this man has done in two weeks with the Colts.
And obviously physically he is not Philip Rivers. And physically
he's not you know, he's not bending any rules as
far as how he's playing. But I think what it
says for Philip and any man woman that's walking this
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planet if you can still use your mind and you
could be smart about how you handle these situations when
you step in them. As far as Philip Rivers, he
knew that he knows what his limitations are and even
though in the game he had to take a couple
of shots to you know, loosen up the defense and
keep them honest, he knows what his bread and butter
is and it's quick decisive passes. It's actually diagnosing things
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and being able to give a steady diet of just
doing the right thing over and over again. And I
think for any person walking this planet and any football
player that wants to be good and separate themselves from
the others and have a long career, that's how you
do it. Be ready, be smart, and be able to
understand and decipher what your job and your duty is
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to come into that game and I think that's just
like I mean, that's what we saw last night from
Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Twenty seven points on the board for the Colts, but
again not enough to match the Niners forty eight at
the end of today's show, because we don't know if
we're gonna see Philip Rivers again. We really don't know,
and we are lucky to have him for these two games.
End of today's show, You're not gonna want to miss this.
We're gonna give our own tribute to Philip Rivers if
this is it. Okay, it's coming up at the end
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of the show today. But what happens with last night's
game and the outcome of last night's game is it
is a multi crossing intersection of the National Football League,
and we are now entering week seventeen and week eighteen
after that, specifically Week seventeen, we are gonna have a
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slate where we have Chris Oladokin quin Ewers, Max Brosmer,
and Brady Cook starting games in the National Football League.
We may have Riley Leonard starting a game in the
National Football League in Week seventeen. That's the first part
of this is I know the Colts now have nothing
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to play for their season is over, Okay for all
intents and purposes, like it's it was a great run,
it was a great time in Indianapolis. But it's it's over, right,
There's there's not going to be an opportunity for the
Colts to really end up making a push. So now,
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if you're turning to Riley Leonard in this situation, it
would go along with Quinn Ewers, it would go along
with Brady Cook, JJ McCarthy's got the thumb injury. Max
bros Is going to start there. But I just have
a real problem that if we don't see Philip Rivers again,
and if the Colts are playing a meaningless game in
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week coming up in Week eighteen, what is the point?
What is the point of having these quarterbacks play at
this point? It's to get ready for next season. Well,
that doesn't satisfy our reviewing right now. I want to
see Philip Rivers the next two weeks. Yeah, I don't
care if the Colts are in it and the Colts
are out of it. And I think that the NFL
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now is having a problem. And Carrie, I've talked with
you about this, so I actually feel bad because you've
had to hear the most of it. You know how
stuck I am on this Dolphins situation with yours in Tua.
And it seems like it's an obvious move on the surface.
Who was not going to be your quarterback of the future.
Let's take a look at quinn Ewers. But you did
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this when your team was immediately eliminated and you still
had three games to play. Be like the Bengals, Be
like Joe Burrow, who was saying, I want to I
want to play. I'm here to play. I missed most
of the year. I want to ride this string out.
That's what worries me about the Philip Rivers situation is
we may be robbed of only having two weeks of
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Philip Rivers as a starting quarterback for the Indianapolis Colt
because the coach may follow the path of the Miami
Dolphins and others and say, we want to take a
look at the young guy. And I think that robs
us of something good in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, I can understand that from a viewing perspective and
from a fan perspective, I think some of these situations
are a little bit different Dan in the in the
in the sense of in Cincinnati with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
They know that's their guy.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So if he wants to play and both and the
coaches are okay with him playing in those in this
meaningless football, then it's pretty pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Miami.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You said it like Tua. Tua is probably not going
to be their guy, so they need to they need
on the surface, they knew they do need to see
who's the next guy, or at least give Quinn he
As a chance. So that's a little different in my
mind as far as these other quarterbacks play in those situations.
Joe hundred percent correct, though. I mean, as a fan,
if I knew that my team was just kind of
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melding it in for next year, then I guess that
gives me the credence to do the same thing as well.
But yeah, I mean, this thing is it's it's it's convoluted.
It's usually at this point of the season where a
lot of teams are out of it and then there's
some teams are This one, like you said, is lacking
a little bit of drama down the stretch here. But
I'll say this, I think with the Colts, Philip Rivers
is going to play now if the coaching staff wants
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to see Riley Leonard. That's another situation that could be
a Miami situation. But I know for a fact that
Philip Rivers doesn't have any more days left as an
NFL quarterback and so maximizing that for him, I'm sure
he wants to play. So we'll see what the Colts
decide moving forward.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Two to three percent chance of making the postseason, Oh
they do? They still have a chance? Yea two to
three chance, which is I'm sure it's no right. I mean,
they're saying there's a chance, and I'm saying there is
no chance. But I think it's reflective of just of
the National Football League and like the Borough stuff is
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I get he's their guy. That may be even more
reason to not play him. Sure, right, like to protect
him for a season that he would then be yours
next year. Sure the Dolphins going in evaluation mode with
a seventh round pick and Queen Yours And I feel
bad that I'm raining on Quin yours parade, but this
is this is just the reality of it. Like that
doesn't that doesn't make sense to me, And also what
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doesn't make sense to me we're talking about numbers is
the math here? So the NFL is trying to talk
about a schedule where we have seventeen games. Well, if
the last three are meaningless that you're just throwing away,
then now you're giving us a fourteen game product. Right
if you're a Miami Dolphins fan, you don't get the
full experience. Unfortunately for the Giants. In teams like the Raiders,
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that about a three week span really of having a season,
but it's also the point of just having of having value.
The Colts are at a high point at one point
this season and they have just free fallen to a
low point that has them with the slim slim playoff hopes.
But I would much rather watch a Colts game with
Philip Rivers in week seventeen or week eighteen than to
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see Riley Leonard go out there and see the developments
and what about eight other teams. Nine other teams want
to sit there and do that with their quarterbacks. They
want to develop it. Then you just have an awful
slate and an awful product that you're putting on in
the field where you have a playoff picture. Carrie, that's
already got five spots locked up in both conferences, so
there's not even a lot of drama on who's going
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to make the playoffs and who's not going to make
the playoffs. So that's my problem with the National Football
League is the product has got some questions already. Now,
if we're advancing this, let's evaluate and let's look at players,
and we're doing it in weeks fifteen, week sixteen, how
good is your product? Philip Rivers is a great story,
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but we may lose that story so the Colts can
get a look on Riley Leonard. That's the only one.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I'm one hundred percent with you on your scenario right
now because it is such a feel good story. And
I know a lot of people had their claims and
and and made up these scenarios where you know, this
forty four year old quarterback coming off the coming off
the couchs to come play an NFL game was you know, ridiculous.
And I think even at points I had that same
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sentiment as well, whereas like people are asking me, can
I go out? No, I can't do it. So it's
a special story. It's a special thing, and you know
we are being robbed of, or could possibly be be
robbed of, continue to write that story in these these
last couple of weeks where you say there isn't many
storylines and there is not a lot of drama, which
is true. That could be one of them. But again,
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when you talk about the scheduling, and we talked about
the NFL as a product, the product has been waning
a little bit, but that hasn't stopped the viewership, right,
and I don't think it will stop it in this
moment either, because there are fans of Quinn yours, there
are friends, there are fans of Brady of Cook, and
so people will tune in.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
As far as the true the ratings go on a
global scale, I don't know, and I don't and I'm
not in the position to talk about that part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You think someone's going to give up their holiday weekend
to watch when yours play, I just I don't think
that's real. I don't. I don't think dolphins want to
watch their.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Dolphins don't watch it anyway. When people go to their games,
it's it's a it's a it's a moss poss of jerseys.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You and I different because I don't think that the Jets,
the Jets future isn't Brady Cook now the Jets' future
is Fernando Mendoza right or or whatever quarterbacks anymore? Yes,
they may want to look at that is their future,
to give away a Sunday to watch them get rolled
over by the Patriots. I just don't think it's happening.
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I'll tell you this, Dan, I'll tell you why that
isn't true. I got a d m.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
By a friend. I haven't talked to him a while,
but they were going to the Patriots just like so
like because tickets are thirty four dollars and that's the thing. Yeah,
So it's it's affordable. It's a thing to do with
something to get out and maybe be with family.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Jason Stewart is our executive producer, one who always loves
to trash the product of the National Football League. Jason,
the dilemma here are you setting aside plans with Christina
on Sunday so you can see Brady Cook trying to
carve up that New England? Don't you put Jason and nuts?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
I think In the annals of Fox Sports Radio, Carrie
Rhades stating that Brady Cook has his fans.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's not one of our highest points.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
That can be one of our highest points.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Do you have a graphic department that can make a
graphic with a picture of Carrie Brady Cook has fans,
It'll be me just like this with a thumbs up.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I just think that like the individuals, and rooting for
individuals is one thing. I just I mean, I've been
I've been on the product of the NFL for a
while now. I just think that there's been a deterioration
in the product in general. And now you are having
teams purposeful field teams that aren't supposed to do good,
and then the prospect of adding an eighteenth game, these
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problems will only exacerbate it. Will the entire month of
December be this, you know, two thirds of the league
just trying out for next year, and at the at
the suffering of the fans and the gamblers, the handicap
ever you take everyone into like, it just seems like
a joke to me, for all the reasons Dan pointed out. No,
And Dan's right, But I'm gonna tell you. I'll tell
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you this. I'm gonna tell you who thought it is.
Who's thought it is, Jason Dan, It's ours.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
We still watch it, we still gamble on it, we
still have the fantasy things, and so it's great point.
It's not about the product of the NFL. We know
that we all agree that it's waning, but doesn't matter.
But here's here's the point to that. And I want
to go to Chrispurphet in the second, the gamblers and
the fantasy players are the one screwed because the players
that you would bet on or you would have on
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your fantasy team in the championship game. Now, instead of
having two throwing pass is to Jalen Waddle, you have Quhen.
You were throwing passes to Jalen Wattle. So not only
is it like it's a and I know, listen, I
may talk about fantasy football a little too much here,
I will fully admit it. However, you cannot deny that
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it is a big reason why the National Football League
has such a grip hold on its fan base because
it reaches nationally. If we only cared about our local teams,
we would be Major League Baseball. That's what we would be.
That's what it is. But the betting portion of it,
the fantasy portion of it, makes it so popular in
so many different ways. And when you're putting out players
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like this, if you have Jonathan Taylor or Tyler Warren
in your fantasy league and it's week seventeen and you're
in the championship game and Jacksonville's come into town and
you're gonna put out Riley Leonard.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That would tick me off. And that's a part of
the fan as well. If you had tickets to Colts Jaguars,
are you less or more likely to go? If Philip
rivers quarterback, You're gonna go. Yes, So that's what you
have to take into account. The Chiefs don't have a quarterback.
It's Christmas Night on Thursday. Their tickets are cheaper right
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now than to watch the Saints and Titans play on
Sunday to go to Arrowhead on Christmas Night, which, by
the way, it's gonna be really warm in Kansas City
for Christmas. Timp's are only gonna be in the forties
at night, so you're not bundled up. But that's what
we're saying, that's taking away from a holiday. That's though,
like that's and it's I understand that the Chiefs Minshew
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gets hurt, Mahomes gets hurt back to back weeks. There's
not a lot that you can prepare for that. But
in these other situations, where you have other games. I
think it is something you can prepare for.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Chris Purphett, Yeah, And I think the problem is is
just once you've expanded it, there's no taking it back.
There's never going to be a We talk about this
all the time with a baseballer or the NBA. It's like,
well they should, they should retrack the season. That'll never happen,
just like the NFL will never go back to sixteen games.
You know, this is always my big argument when people
start talking about expanding the college football playoff. Once you
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get too much of something and decide it's too much,
there is never a way to push the Pandora's box
closed again. And it leaves us with the situation where
it's just it's devalued across the board and like, yeah, now,
and it's gonna affect the playoffs because now we're just hoping, like, hey,
maybe you can get the playoffs, but like you're way
too damn banged up.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Roger Goodell's excuse reasoning points whatever you want to put
in expanding from sixteen to seventeen was fans want more
football money. Well that's that's that's the true portion of it. Yeah,
But fans don't want this football, and that's I think
that's the issue that we've got with the NFL. They
don't want to see this sort of football. Yeah, no,
(15:52):
I get it. I understand that. I mean there's I
don't have anything to say. I mean, yeah, I don't
think it's a I don't think it's made better by
an extra game, and I know players don't care for
it anyway. So there's scenarios where if the Texans lose
to the Chargers and the Colts end up winning against
Jacksonville and there's another outcome, like the Colts can make it.
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But again it's two to three percent, and maybe that
two to three percent is enough for the Colts to say,
Philip Rivers going out there and beat Jacksonville. Yeah. I
would hope though, that if the Colts do play Philip
Rivers in Week seventeen and they don't win, that we
see Philip Rivers in Week eight, Like that's I just
I want to see him play out the string. I
don't want this just to be a two game quick
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hit and have Philip Rivers be gone, because it's been
too good of a story from a team that honestly,
at this point of the season is not bringing value
to the NFL, to the product, and it really really could.
The Dolphins aren't bringing value to the NFL. The Jets
aren't doing it, the Raiders aren't doing it, the Giants
aren't doing it. Here you have a team that is
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basically out of the playoff picture, and it could give
us a reason to watch. And that's why I want
Philip Rivers to continue to start the rest of the season.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
And I'm probably I'm eighty percent. I'm eighty percent sure
he will Dan, even though they may be out of it.
Like I said, this is it for him and he's
and yeah, they don't have a chance. One game of
seeing Riley Leonard play against the NFL defense that may
not even matter won't give them the answers they need.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
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Speaker 2 (17:32):
Don right, it's go time, Go time on a Tuesday
here on Fox Sports Radio. Hit carry out at Carry
twenty five roads. You can find me at Dan Buyer
on Fox. Lots of NFL to get to on this Tuesday.
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You and our anchor Chris Purfett going head to head
with Louisville against Toledo and the Boca Ratone Bowl. Jason
Stewart is here, as is Iowa. Sam. Do you care
about this game as an alum? You just shoug your head. No,
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they completely dismissed it. Don't you want to see the
guys make plays, see some young guys step up? Not really.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I want these guys to be healthy and get ready
to win win the ACC next year.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They have the talent to do it.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
But right now, these games like a Toledo like this
game would be so much bigger for Toledo, and so
I can understand them want to tune in and get
a big Bowl win going into next season.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, the Cardinals look good. I like the I like
the helmet that like them sporting today. Yes, I think
they I don't know if they look good on the field.
I haven't been pay much attention to the contest fashion wise,
I think they look good, better than the colts. Yes,
that uniform mash up last night is one that we've
seen before. But it just it just doesn't work. It
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really doesn't. It remind it looks like an all denim outfit.
All right. Do you remember that picture of Justin Timberlake
and Britney Spears and twenty five years ago, like they
were straight denim. I've got it on my phone. And
then you add the black helmet, and anytime you add
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black to a color scheme, it just doesn't work. Maybe
it did twenty years ago, maybe it did twenty five
years ago, it doesn't work now. Colts, listen, they're white
or they're blue. So if you're not wearing white, you're
wearing blue. You shouldn't be wearing black. And if you're
gonna wear blue, do not wear whatever color blue that
was man, you just say bye bye bye. All right, Hey,
(19:44):
I'm here all week. I'm here all week. I'm here
all week. If you want to talk more uniforms or
anything more, and looking back to week sixteen, now's the
time to do it. It's Tuesday, Tuesday, this is Tuesday morning.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Quarterback in the Afternoon. Mondays can be old whelming. Tuesdays,
they're getting to whatever we didn't get to on Monday. Yeah,
this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the Afternoon.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Things that we may have missed, didn't talk about. We
start with Jason Stewart. Jason Stewart leaning off on Tuesday
Morning Quarterback in the Afternoon. Fellas.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I don't want to stam this up, but it's multi pronged.
So this is by no means amy preempting your content.
I just I want to talk about four things the
Bucks and the Lions have kind of to me outsider
looking in, the Bucks and Lions kind of have the
same issue this season. Now Chris Purfett follows the Lions
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closer than I. Maybe he has a counterpoint, and you
could also say that the Bucks were very injured this season,
but I'm going to say that both teams lost their
star sexy offensive coordinator from last season, and each of
their quarterbacks and or offense has has kind of paid
the price this season Lions and Bucks. I also want
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to say that if we're going to judge Ben Johnson
and William Cohen's season in general, looking back at this
we can't just say, look at the record of their
new team compared to the record last year. The contrast
also needs to be look at the Lions offense when
he left, look at the Bucks offense when he left.
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It needs to be factored into the equation. That's my
point four multi pronged takes, and it's not going to
preempt Dan Buyer's well.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I will say this about the Buccaneer side of things.
I'll let the Chris hand of the Lion stuff. I
think it's more frustrating on the Buccaneer side of things
because they had injuries throughout the season that they were navigating.
They didn't have Chris Godwin to start the year. He
comes back, did lose Mike Evans around weeks five to
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sixty seven. Around that time he's out, Bucky Irving missed
a significant portion of time. And now you're getting everybody back.
You've got three running backs Sean Tucker, Rashaud White, and
the aforementioned Bucky Irving wide receiver of Mecca Buca was
the NFL offensive Rookie of the Year for about the
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first half of the year. You bring Godwin back. Now,
Evans's return from his collar bone and they're still not
getting it done. They drop back to back games at
home a couple of weeks ago. Like, that's the issue
with me, is that the Buccaneers, even with getting everybody back,
they still aren't the machine that you would have hoped.
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And they aren't good defensively anymore. They're really bad defensively.
Outside of Vita Vea stuffing the run, they aren't stopping anyone.
So I think like the Buccaneers have a much bigger
problem because they actually had some of their players come back,
and I know they still may win the division, but
they don't pose a threat to anybody else in the NFC. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I would piggyback on top of that, Dan and say
it's been a combination of some cochain thing, but they
haven't performed well and they've been injured. But you know,
if they've gotten guys come back, and like you spoke
about imca Abuka, the way he played in the beginning
of the season, you get all those other guys back
and you think he'll be able to continue that, and
he has not played that way in the second half.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Of the season. You want to take the Lions side
of things, Chris.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I think It's fascinating because I've seen some numbers
that indicate it's a lot of the same offensive metrics
on like a macro scale. The Lions have hit this year,
but clearly it's not winning them as many games. Part
of that's the schedule they had to play, and you
want to talk about an understated part of what the
Lions had to adjust with besides Ben Johnson, but like
the core of their team, the offensive line turned over
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three different changes on the interior that entire interior of
their line. Frank rag Now has gone, Kevin Zeitler left,
Graham Glasgow's now was acting to play center, and he
was out against the Steelers. They've suffered a lot of
turnover on the offensive line, which means the run game
can't get going, which means that their offense really can't
going on some games when they can't establish that run.
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And like the Buccaneers, they kind of have that injury
bug again on their defense, not as not as overwhelming
as it was last year, but they have no healthy dbs.
I was joking with Carrie on Sunday that he might
have to suit up for the Lions as safety or something.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, it's also like I think the injuries are a problem,
Like why you wouldn't see Jamiir Gibbs have the game
that you should have had in the running game. Hank
Fraleyer is the guy that you know stays around Jannor
Engstrand left with Aaron Glenn to the Jets. But obviously
there is an issue because you made a change at
offensive coordinator and play calling mid season. They have Dan
Campbell calling the plays from Johnny Morton, so there's there's
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obviously an issue there the Bucks. To Jason's point, there
may be there may be an issue with the coordinators,
which I think is true. At some point there's going
to be attrition. You can't lose Canalis, you can't lose
Cohen and think that you're just gonna be able to
replace these guys and maybe it's caught up in Tampa. Yeah,
all right, I want to kind of go along that.
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And speaking of Liam Cohen, this is this was Sean
Payton prior to the lead up to the game on
Sunday against Jacksonville. As as you look at him and
and and and you watch the tape, it you know
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it's a smaller market, but you see a real good team. Yeah, Okay.
Liam Cohen's response after beating Denver on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Great team effort. Just thankful that you know, a small
market team like us can come into a place like
Mile High and get it done.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I love it. I love it. I love it. Uh,
you know it's going crazy on TikTok. Everybody's looking at
that clip. There's there's a couple of things within this
number One a small market team. Sean Payton isn't saying
that they're the the little engine that could. What Seana
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was trying to say, and I know Carrie doesn't believe
because you think Sean Payton always has a reason is
that people may not know how good Jacksonville is because
they don't garner a lot of national attention. Yes, and
I think that that's fair because the smallest market teams
in the National Football leagu quite honestly right now, are
the most popular. It's the Packers and the Bills. Like
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when you look at like the fan base of those teams,
I mean it's just just huge, huge fan bases. But
in the cities that they're into, the smaller markets. I
don't think he was trying to side swipe. But what
should also be known of this is the transformation of
Liam Cohen. When we all were truly introduced to Liam Cohen,
it was last year when he was introduced as the
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Jaguars coach and obviously said this due okay with that
weird look on his space. Have you seen Liam Cohen.
Now you're doing it as well. This transformation aviator glasses,
black hat, black vest, black sleeve. You're not messing with me.
(27:02):
This transformation of Liam Cohen is amazing. And by the way,
his words for Sean Payton not the only coach he's
had words with. Remember in San Francisco earlier in the
year when Robert Sala was trying to pay them a
compliment and Cohen's like, keep my team out of your
mouth or what like what are we doing? Like like
Liam Cohen, just enjoy the ride. But he's turned into
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it's like he's over compensating for Duvall. Now has this
whole new look. He's yelling at other head coaches taking shots.
It's a complete transformation. It's like he went on Ricky
Lake and they gave him a new makeover. I don't
know if that was the talk show that did makeovers,
but they turned him around and now he's like this cool,
(27:45):
slick villain.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Liam Cohen has turned into the terminator, a long black jacket, leather,
the glasses. Play that clip again, dude, that's Liam.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I know, I love it.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I love the confidence he has his team, the pulse
of his team, and they're going after And you know, Dan,
you cannot say that Sean Peyton didn't mean anything because
you know, I'm not riding with that at all.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Dan. I think he was trying not to offend them.
I say, like, nobody really knows about them. But then
I'm sure Lee and Calm would have taken you know,
exception to that, or take offense to that and call
him out for it. So he just called them small market,
which is true. And by the way, in the NFL
with a salary cap doesn't matter, like it's different in
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Major League Baseball. But it's not a it's not a putdown,
it's not a it's just explaining on what it was
that maybe they weren't as popular, but whatever, use it
his motivation. But this transformation of Liam Cohen in almost
a year to me is pretty staggering. Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
All right, I guess for mine, the one thing that
I would talk about here in his moment, we talked
about this this, I talked about the sports gambling stuff
and us as fans being so you know, enraptured and captured,
you know, in the involvement of what that brings us
as fans as well to the surface. I think, and
I think a lot of times we hear these allegations
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of like a Terry Rosier and why he's not playing
this year and having some inside betting situation things happening.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
And I just saw the other day.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Where the lawyers are getting or moving to try to
dismiss all the betting charges against Terry Roseer because of
the language of the league and saying the league jumped
into this and suspended him without paying all these things
in this preliminary way that they usually do. But now
it's now with the information coming out, it's circling back
around that you know, he didn't have really anything to
(29:39):
do with that stuff. And so I want to talk
about us jumping on the bandwagging of you know, pointing
the finger at people and saying they're guilty before they're
guilty in these situations.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You so you think Terry Roseier is innocent? Is that
what you're saying?
Speaker 4 (29:54):
That I think he may have less involvement than we
thought he did at first.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Okay, do you think this translates into the NFL. Do
you think that we are going to have NBA sort
of betting problems like we do, or have NFL betting
problems like we do in the NBA. I don't think we.
I don't think we will.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I think with the NFL, you can have one guy
that can mess up a game, and I think that
usually boils down to the quarterback and the kicker because
they control so much of it. You would think that
the quarterbacks and kickers would be a little bit more,
have a little bit more integrity because they are isolated
so much. That'll be hard for them to throw a
game or to help somebody on the outside to cash
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in on the bet.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah. I can imagine them taking a running back off
and going into the tent and be like, nothing's wrong.
I don't know how. Just the ankle feels sore, you know,
I just can't No, He's final to go in like
it'd be tough to do in the NFL to try
to hit a rushing under like Terry Rozier would.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
I think Carrie just did it again. And I'm not
saying I'm not I'm not pointing out that that you're
wrong here, but I find it interesting because I got
I got into a Twitter spat recently with an NFL
influencer about He's like, man, the refereeing today could not
be worse. And my thing is like, if you think
about it this way, if there are referee crews being compromised, Okay,
(31:18):
you basically just said that it would have to be
the kicker or the quarterback. Yeah, I don't for whatever reason,
the officials are given this massive pass or we just
have a blind spot with officiating crews. They don't make
a whole lot of money, and they would be the
people that could most control these things. And if you
did have a compromise crew, wouldn't it look like a mess?
(31:40):
Wouldn't you be scratching your head like all game at
certain calls? Why why would he call that? Why wouldn't
he call that? Like when you're talking about gambling and
how it's entered sports. Yeah, and then the people that
have the most influenced to alter results. I think that
NFL officials, for whatever reason, kind of get a pass
on this. And I I I just have a feeling
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when if if not not not if, but when there's
a major NFL gambling scandal, there's going to be an
officiating crew in like the forefront of the charges.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
See, I think that. I think the only reasons that
refs would make bad causes so they can get on TV.
Oh wait, that's pukkuis that's because they have a dream text.
Last week, he's so smart. He said that the officiating
in the NFL is a little suss Oh with that
a real tweet. That was well. He tweeted then after
(32:33):
the Seahawks game about all the people who yelled at
him about his comments about the referees, saying that the
refs cost them, but his point was he thinks refs
throw pass interference flags, which by the way, would benefit
benefit him. Do you want to Oh, we got it.
Let's let's see. Let's straight get straight from Puka.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Yeah, the work because there's just some of the rules
aren't then, like.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
These guys want to be These guys are lawyers, and like, brother,
they want to be on TV too.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Brother, like the game, you don't think he's he's texting
his friends.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
In the group chat.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Like yo, you guys just saw many Sunday Night football
like that, Like that wasn't p I like, but I
called it was serious.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, these guys are noble.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Human Wow, that is a conversation that sounds like it
could be on Mars, like like in the in the
guys and I know they're streamers and I know they
have millions of followers, but to be like, no, no way,
take me to your leader there.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, Like that's is especially strange a comment coming from
an NFL player, and it could just be come from
a fan, and a fan would sound delusional saying it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But a guy who's been playing professional football for several
years also he should know better. I also don't think
that it was looked at enough that this is a
guy who would then benefit from said ref throwing a
flag on an offense on a pass interference call, right,
so he would benefit team would benefit. But he's saying, yeah,
this stuff is sus man, this stuff is really sus
(34:05):
Can I take my Tuesday morning quarterback back? That's another thing, Dan,
I hate.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You know, I've talked about it before, these players speaking
on these podcasts and thinking that it's not going to
be heard by the whole world, like that medium has
taken over our consumption of like media, and so when
you say these things, it's fair game. Michael Porter Junior
is the same way, saying a lot of the things back.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
In the day. I've had podcasts that have been listened
to by nobody, So it's not all of them. Iowa, Sam.
I'll be quick here. We're nearing the end of the season.
There's a lot of candidates who could be AP Coach
of the Year. I'll just list a few. Dan you
or guy Mike McDonald could have very well be a candidate.
Ben Johnson could be a candidate for Coach of the Year,
(34:49):
Sean Payton, Dimico Ryans. But if you look at the
coaching jobs that Kyle Shanahan of the Niners have done
and Jim Harbaugh of the Chargers navigating injuries, and you
maybe flip a coin between those two. But if I
had to pick one of those two, Kyle Shanahan or
Jim Harbaugh, I'd probably give it to Jim Harbaugh just
for how much how many injuries they've had. Najie Harris,
They've had injuries on the offensive line, and here they are,
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They're going to the playoffs for consecutive years. For the
first time in I think two thousand and eight, two
thousand and nine. So for the for the charters to
be in this position where they are with all these injuries,
Jason can speak to this, pretty impressive to have them
at eleven wins right now, Jason shocked that they have
a chance of the division. So you said.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yesterday, right, it's like an outside shot at the number
one seed. Chances they control their destiny for the division.
But yeah, No, to Sam's point, Harbaugh, he's been like
a miracle worker since he got on campus. There's nothing
that he could do that will surprise me at this point,
and that includes cheat.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Damn well, everybody else doesn't. Chris Burfett, you want to
wrap this up with your Tuesday Morning quarterback.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, and it's one that's maybe floying under the radar
a bit. We know the Dolphins bench to a tongue
of ailoa. Before this, they trotted out Quinn yours and
it was even more of a disaster. I'm just and
I know Mike McDonald's come is like pretty much certified
to come back next year. But Mike McDaniel, excuse me,
I said Donald, But like I'm just, I'm kind of
(36:20):
tired of doing this with the Dolphins, where they start
losing six of their first seven, they rattle off four
straight and injects a little bit of life and a
little bit of hope to the that what this could
be again? And then it just it peters out like this.
This This offensive line is not good at all. Their
quarterback situation is as bad as it can get because
(36:40):
I'm assuming Tua is not coming back this year. You
don't make that kind of benching if you're not one
hundred percent done with Tua. You're not getting that performance
out of Quinn yours or Zach Wilson. And I don't
know who you're bringing in in the off season they
have besides Levon, they don't really have a lot that
stands out for their roster. It all screams it needs
(37:01):
a hard reset, and it just leads me back to
once again that Mike McDaniel will be back next year.
And it brings me to a phrase I've fallen in
love with, what should be done, what will be done eventually,
should be done immediately. And I'm not sure why this
team continues to kick the can down the road just
because they win four games in November every year.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Like this I had. I had an issue with what
the Dolphins have done. We've talked about it a bunch,
but the butt about Mike McDaniels. I like Mike McDaniel.
I actually I really do, and I think that they're thinking,
and I agree with this, is if you actually maxed
out toua to get us into the playoffs as a
wild card, then you can do something. Imagine if you
can get that franchise type of player working with Mike McDaniel,
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I think that's their hope. This is also a Dolphins
franchise that not so long ago was loaded with first
round picks. It's why they were able to maybe offer
the Bengals the four first round picks in the year
that they were gonna draft Joe Burrow in twenty twenty.
But they kind of wasted some of those first round picks.
They had one docked because of tampering with Tom Brady
and Sean Payton, so they've really kind of fumbled the
(38:05):
bag in Miami. And to your point about needing a reset,
I really like Mike McDaniel. I think that he should
stay along, but I do think to Chris's point, there's
more work to do, especially trying to get out from
under this two accounts.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
They're gonna be picking tenth as well this year. It's
kind of they're they're sliding away from those top cream
picks just because they keep pushing so hard near.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
The end of the season. Well, that's what they're not
doing now, and that's why they're playing with yours is
they're trying to move up the draft.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I like Mike McDaniel's as well, but I think he's
an offensive coordinator in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Mike Rabel right now, your coach of the year favorite, Mikerable,
I keep understanding. I mean, wait, Liam Cones plus seve
I did not write Liam Cohen down. Yeah, I saw it.
Yeah to two you did a good job. Shanahan and
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Hoops versus football last night? What did you watch? You know? Percentage?
Percentage wise? Like? Was it eighty five percent? NFL fifteen
(39:42):
p NBA? How about flip that?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Okay, yeah, but I guess danned in I since I
had the DVR, I did end up watching most of it.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Well, the topic the conversation after the Colts and Niners
game had nothing to do with the NFL. It had
to do with what happened in the NBA in San
Francisco last night, with the Warriors topping the Magic one
ninety seven. Yep, if you didn't know that, I just
told you. If you knew that, good on you. Because
nobody's talking about that game. The only thing that they're
(40:12):
saying is how does this happen in a win? And
the this I'm talking about is Draymond Green is at
it again. He and Steve Kerr end up having words
yeah during the huddle in the third quarter, and then
Draymond just leaves and then and then comes back to
(40:32):
the bench in the fourth quarter. Didn't didn't play a
minute after he and Kerr got into the to the spat.
This was the Warriors head coach after the game last night.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
We got into it, obviously, and you know, I took
the time out just because I thought we lost our
focus there a little bit, and we had it out
a little bit, and you know, he made his decision
to go back to the locker room to cool off.
And that's all I'm going to say about it. It's everything.
Everything is private, and yeah, I got nothing further.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Dad, he didn't play the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Would you have gone back to.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
No, No, he wasn't. He wasn't going back yet.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
And was that a decision by him?
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Well, he left, he went back to the locker room.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
A decision by him. It may well have been. And
maybe there's like leeway because of what they've all gone through. Yeah,
but I don't didn't sound like Steve Kerr was saying that.
Now there are two sides to every story, Carrie, so
it's only fair. And we hear Draymond's version of the
events that occurred last night.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
Draymond, what happened and why did you leave the bench?
Timber spilled over and I just thought it was best
that I got it. I don't think there was a
situation where it was going to get better, so it
was just best to remove myself. You know. That's it
what caused the argument. Basketball. That's what we do. We
(41:56):
played basketball. It's an emotional game. You know, people love
there emotion. Sometimes it happens, it is what it is.
You know, we've been at this now for a long time. Yeah,
sometimes you people for a long time. There's a level
of comfort and happens. We move forward.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
I mean, do you feel like this will linger at all?
Speaker 8 (42:19):
Now?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
We move forward? So there's I think that it was
handled as best as it could be. But this is
not a fifty to fifty situation. No, this is not
guess what Draymond Green has his say some of the time,
Steve Kerr is his state some of the say some
of the time. This is always about Draymond Green. Everything
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has always been about Draymond Green, and any sort of friction,
any sort of conflict, any sort of confrontation is always
about Draymond Green. And that's why Steve Kerr should have
a freaking award considering what he's had to deal with,
putting up with Draymond's antics for the last decade plus
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and doing it in a way where he doesn't cause
complete chaos within his organization and handles it the way
that he does. And Draymond is smart enough to know
in Draymond's explanation there that his head coach is also
not going to say anything. So Draymond's gonna say his
little piece, Kurt's gonna say his little piece and want
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us to move on after that. But how many times
does this have to happen, Carrie, where Draymond Green is
causing ways for the Golden State Warriors and nothing is
going to come of it.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
I'll tell you this, Dan, let me preface it by
saying this first, I think the only I think Steve
Kerr is the best coach to be able to handle
this situation anyway. And I'll say that because the one
reason he played with somebody who was a menace and
if from the outside looking in, would make things all
about him as well. Even though he played hard in
(43:58):
between the lions and all these things and was a
great teammate in between the lines, you know what that
person is Dennis Rodman. That's Dennis Rodman, and so he
has he had that example. As a player, he saw
how Phil Jackson hendled that situation. All players aren't created equal, Dan,
And as much as coaches and people want to think
they are, some people you gotta handle with kid gloves
to get their maximum effort off. I mean on the
(44:21):
field and on the court and win. And that's what
that business is about, right. So he had that example,
and so I'll say from this in this time, in
this era of basketball, Draymond Green is Dennis Rodman, so
to speak, and so he can handle him in that
way and know how to handle it in the house.
But when it comes to Draymond and his antics and
(44:42):
it being about him, Dan, you're one hundred percent true,
like everything happens to him, not for him. And I
think that's the problem with a lot of guys, and
Draymon is at the top of that list when you
talk about guys that can be a problem if things
don't go asway.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
I look at it. I look at Rodman a little
differently in terms of Rodman was always an instigator on
the court, but there was also the outside of Dennis Rodman,
of him going to Las Vegas, or him being on
the cover of a magazine dressed up in a in
a bride's gown or whatever they came the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, WCW,
(45:20):
Monday Night in trow all of those things, those are
those are outside got uh. Like Draymond Green's punching players
in practice, and that's what I think of every single
time Draymond Green pulls this. I also think Draymond Green
hits Lebron James in the groin in Game four of
the twenty sixteen NBA Finals. I think about that. I
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think about the Jordan Poole punch every single time Draymond
Green is into something. And that's the like, that's the
issue is I think Steve Kerr would much rather deal
with Dennis Rodman. And I don't think Dennis Robin is
hanging around the NBA when his game isn't what it
was ten years ago. He's doing this out of loyalty
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and out of what Draymond Green has meant to the organization.
But at some point you're being taken advantage of if
you're Steve Kerr or if you're the Golden State Warriors
in allowing this to happen. And by the way, Draymond Green,
you're right, Steve Kerr is the only one that would
put up with this. There's no other coach in the
NBA that would be able to corral what Draymond Green
(46:24):
is doing. And the reason of that is Draymond Green
thinks he knows everything about basketball, and so you would
be challenging the other coaches in the NBA and what
maybe Spolstra, you know, like it would would maybe have
the cachet, but then you don't have the personal relationship
and the time over the last decade. It's just this
is a you know, this is a Warrior's team that
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again is they're a middling team that you want to
root for because of what happened in the past and
maybe have one go around. But when you're hovering around
five hundred, you're trying to figure out your place. And
now Draymond Green is leaving the bench, which again maybe
he didn't want to say something that he would you know,
would have regretted later on. Yeah, but this now just
(47:07):
becomes another distraction and another thing that Steve Gerrist to
talk about in the post game.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
And the important thing you said right there is we're
hanging on to the lure of the Warriors past. This
isn't that team, And so the leeway that Draymond has
had and obviously still has at this moment, I think
it could be validated in years prior, But right now
this team isn't good, and Draymond Green isn't good.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
He is.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
He's a guy that is going to give you eight,
five and five right now. And is that worth a headache?
I don't think it is. Jason Stewart's the show's executive producer.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
This incident like taps into one of my pet peeves
is when when athletes kind of use there an excuse
of throwing a fit and being immature and put it
all under the umbrella I'm just competitive and I just
want to win. I'm guessing you played with a lot
of like hus still teammates who would do things you're
not supposed to and then the coach would cover for
(48:04):
them like he just really wants to win, That's how.
But everybody else was being an actual mature professional, but
that guy, So last night I flagged this sound. This
was Draymond kind of explaining in a way why the
tempers were so heated.
Speaker 9 (48:19):
Right Quite honestly, if everybody's okay with be in fifteen
and fifteen, and it's just WHOOPI dude, talking to you
when they're forty one and forty one.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Can be whoopy doing fifteen and fifteen.
Speaker 8 (48:36):
Some gotta get so.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
So that's like it's his way of explaining away, I
just want to win and these guys don't. So I
could go off on my coach and make a fool
out of myself like that. There at some point, there
needs to come a time where that's no longer an
excuse for somebody like Draymond. But I don't think we've
reached that point.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
People think that that Draymond got uh was lost for
Game five, like we forget history. Yeah, because he punched
Lebron in the you know, in the growing No, it
was a flagrant fowl, which was an accumulation of fouls
which triggered a one game suspension. Yea, So tell me
(49:14):
what's worse knowing that your one foul away, that you
could be suspended for a game. Knowing that, or in
a spur of the moment hitting someone in the junk right, Like,
in the spur of the moment, you're going to think,
guess what, I would give that more of a pass
than knowing throughout the entire game that he's sitting there
skating on thin ice. He's walking this tightrope that I
(49:35):
just can't do anything stupid. I can't do anything foolish.
So when he's talking about the team being ticked off
about being fifteen and fifteen and ending up the regular
season forty one and forty one, Yeah, you were this
close to wrapping up back to back NBA titles and
clinching the greatest NBA season we had ever seen. But
(49:56):
you couldn't help yourself. You couldn't help yourself in that situation.
And then Carrie, after three more rings following that series,
he's still doing the same thing. So where's the problem
the person that doesn't change or all the other players
that are around which, by the way, yeah, Draymond may
not want to be fifteen and fifteen, but maybe one
(50:17):
of the reasons they're fifteen and fifteen is because they've
continued to capt Draymond Green with the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Great point, and they also in the whole vein of
this conversation, Jason said something with the generalization of, you know,
Draymond being able to kind of rely on that aspect
of winning to get away with some of these things.
I don't like the generalization that he puts out right,
like he's the only one that cares about winning. Yeah,
(50:44):
there's it may be ninety It may be two percent
that don't care because they're mad they're not getting whatever.
That could be some instance, there's ninety eight percent of
those guys that want to win, and just because it's
not doing the way you want it to be done
doesn't make you right.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
You're on a team with Steph Hurry and Jimmy Butler, right, like,
this is not a bunch of youngins on your team
that you're trying to mold into two winners. He's just
being a sore loser and he's sitting there complaining about basketball, which,
by the way, he wasn't having a conversation with, you know,
Padjemski or Jonathan Kaminga or another young player on the Warriors.
(51:19):
He's having the argument with Steve Kerr, the most accomplished person. Yes, yes,
so apparently Steve Kerr, you know, settling for fifteen and
fifteen and you know Kerr keeping it in houses what
they always do. Is actually the biggest problem that I
had with the Jordan Poole deal is they cared more
that the video got out than that Draymond Green actually
(51:39):
punched his own teammate, Yea the way that he did,
and when we saw the video, we saw how egregious
it was. He just has never changed, He never learns,
and it's just going to be the same old, same
old with with Draymond Green.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
I just wish I had that much equity with anything
in life, the way that Dreymond has with the Golden
State Warriors.
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Brock Purty magnificent performance. Offensively, the Niners were a juggernaut
and guess what, Philip Rivers of the Colts held their own.
Please don't go, Philip Rivers, Please don't go anywhere. But
the Niners get the last laugh. Colts eliminated from the postseason. Yeah,
everything you just said absolutely true. But with Philip Rivers,
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you know what, man, I.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Am really, really, really amazed and actually humbled to see
what this man has done in two weeks with the Colts.
And obviously physically he is not Philip Rivers. And physically
he's not you know, he's not bending any rules as
far as how he's playing. But I think what it
says for Philip and any man woman that's walking this
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planet if you can still use your mind and you
could be smart about how you handle these situations when
you step in them. As far as Philip Rivers, he
knew that he knows what his limitations are and even
though in the game he had to take a couple
of shots to you know, loosen up the defense and
keep them honest, he knows what his bread and butter
is and it's quick decisive passes. It's actually diagnosing things
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and being able to give a steady diet of just
doing the right thing over and over again. And I
think for any person walking this planet and any football
player that wants to be good and separate themselves from
the others and have a long career, that's how you
do it. Be ready, be smart, and be able to
understand and decipher what your job and your duty is
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to come into that game and I think that's just
like I mean, that's what we saw last night from
Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Twenty seven points on the board for the Colts, but
again not enough to match the Niners forty eight at
the end of today's show, because we don't know if
we're gonna see Philip Rivers again. We really don't know,
and we are lucky to have him for these two games.
End of today's show, You're not gonna want to miss this.
We're gonna give our own tribute to Philip Rivers if
this is it. Okay, it's coming up at the end
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of the show today. But what happens with last night's
game and the outcome of last night's game is it
is a multi crossing intersection of the National Football League,
and we are now entering week seventeen and week eighteen
after that, specifically Week seventeen, we are gonna have a
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slate where we have Chris Oladokin quin Ewers, Max Brosmer,
and Brady Cook starting games in the National Football League.
We may have Riley Leonard starting a game in the
National Football League in Week seventeen. That's the first part
of this is I know the Colts now have nothing
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to play for their season is over, Okay for all
intents and purposes, like it's it was a great run,
it was a great time in Indianapolis. But it's it's over, right,
There's there's not going to be an opportunity for the
Colts to really end up making a push. So now,
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if you're turning to Riley Leonard in this situation, it
would go along with Quinn Ewers, it would go along
with Brady Cook, JJ McCarthy's got the thumb injury. Max
bros Is going to start there. But I just have
a real problem that if we don't see Philip Rivers again,
and if the Colts are playing a meaningless game in
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week coming up in Week eighteen, what is the point?
What is the point of having these quarterbacks play at
this point? It's to get ready for next season. Well,
that doesn't satisfy our reviewing right now. I want to
see Philip Rivers the next two weeks. Yeah, I don't
care if the Colts are in it and the Colts
are out of it. And I think that the NFL
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now is having a problem. And Carrie, I've talked with
you about this, so I actually feel bad because you've
had to hear the most of it. You know how
stuck I am on this Dolphins situation with yours in Tua.
And it seems like it's an obvious move on the surface.
Who was not going to be your quarterback of the future.
Let's take a look at quinn Ewers. But you did
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this when your team was immediately eliminated and you still
had three games to play. Be like the Bengals, Be
like Joe Burrow, who was saying, I want to I
want to play. I'm here to play. I missed most
of the year. I want to ride this string out.
That's what worries me about the Philip Rivers situation is
we may be robbed of only having two weeks of
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Philip Rivers as a starting quarterback for the Indianapolis Colt
because the coach may follow the path of the Miami
Dolphins and others and say, we want to take a
look at the young guy. And I think that robs
us of something good in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, I can understand that from a viewing perspective and
from a fan perspective, I think some of these situations
are a little bit different Dan in the in the
in the sense of in Cincinnati with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
They know that's their guy.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So if he wants to play and both and the
coaches are okay with him playing in those in this
meaningless football, then it's pretty pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Miami.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You said it like Tua. Tua is probably not going
to be their guy, so they need to they need
on the surface, they knew they do need to see
who's the next guy, or at least give Quinn he
As a chance. So that's a little different in my
mind as far as these other quarterbacks play in those situations.
Joe hundred percent correct, though. I mean, as a fan,
if I knew that my team was just kind of
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melding it in for next year, then I guess that
gives me the credence to do the same thing as well.
But yeah, I mean, this thing is it's it's it's convoluted.
It's usually at this point of the season where a
lot of teams are out of it and then there's
some teams are This one, like you said, is lacking
a little bit of drama down the stretch here. But
I'll say this, I think with the Colts, Philip Rivers
is going to play now if the coaching staff wants
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to see Riley Leonard. That's another situation that could be
a Miami situation. But I know for a fact that
Philip Rivers doesn't have any more days left as an
NFL quarterback and so maximizing that for him, I'm sure
he wants to play. So we'll see what the Colts
decide moving forward.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Two to three percent chance of making the postseason, Oh
they do? They still have a chance? Yea two to
three chance, which is I'm sure it's no right. I mean,
they're saying there's a chance, and I'm saying there is
no chance. But I think it's reflective of just of
the National Football League and like the Borough stuff is
(07:06):
I get he's their guy. That may be even more
reason to not play him. Sure, right, like to protect
him for a season that he would then be yours
next year. Sure the Dolphins going in evaluation mode with
a seventh round pick and Queen Yours And I feel
bad that I'm raining on Quin yours parade, but this
is this is just the reality of it. Like that
doesn't that doesn't make sense to me, And also what
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doesn't make sense to me we're talking about numbers is
the math here? So the NFL is trying to talk
about a schedule where we have seventeen games. Well, if
the last three are meaningless that you're just throwing away,
then now you're giving us a fourteen game product. Right
if you're a Miami Dolphins fan, you don't get the
full experience. Unfortunately for the Giants. In teams like the Raiders,
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that about a three week span really of having a season,
but it's also the point of just having of having value.
The Colts are at a high point at one point
this season and they have just free fallen to a
low point that has them with the slim slim playoff hopes.
But I would much rather watch a Colts game with
Philip Rivers in week seventeen or week eighteen than to
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see Riley Leonard go out there and see the developments
and what about eight other teams. Nine other teams want
to sit there and do that with their quarterbacks. They
want to develop it. Then you just have an awful
slate and an awful product that you're putting on in
the field where you have a playoff picture. Carrie, that's
already got five spots locked up in both conferences, so
there's not even a lot of drama on who's going
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to make the playoffs and who's not going to make
the playoffs. So that's my problem with the National Football
League is the product has got some questions already. Now,
if we're advancing this, let's evaluate and let's look at players,
and we're doing it in weeks fifteen, week sixteen, how
good is your product? Philip Rivers is a great story,
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but we may lose that story so the Colts can
get a look on Riley Leonard. That's the only one.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I'm one hundred percent with you on your scenario right
now because it is such a feel good story. And
I know a lot of people had their claims and
and and made up these scenarios where you know, this
forty four year old quarterback coming off the coming off
the couchs to come play an NFL game was you know, ridiculous.
And I think even at points I had that same
(09:18):
sentiment as well, whereas like people are asking me, can
I go out? No, I can't do it. So it's
a special story. It's a special thing, and you know
we are being robbed of, or could possibly be be
robbed of, continue to write that story in these these
last couple of weeks where you say there isn't many
storylines and there is not a lot of drama, which
is true. That could be one of them. But again,
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when you talk about the scheduling, and we talked about
the NFL as a product, the product has been waning
a little bit, but that hasn't stopped the viewership, right,
and I don't think it will stop it in this
moment either, because there are fans of Quinn yours, there
are friends, there are fans of Brady of Cook, and
so people will tune in.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
As far as the true the ratings go on a
global scale, I don't know, and I don't and I'm
not in the position to talk about that part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You think someone's going to give up their holiday weekend
to watch when yours play, I just I don't think
that's real. I don't. I don't think dolphins want to
watch their.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Dolphins don't watch it anyway. When people go to their games,
it's it's a it's a it's a moss poss of jerseys.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You and I different because I don't think that the Jets,
the Jets future isn't Brady Cook now the Jets' future
is Fernando Mendoza right or or whatever quarterbacks anymore? Yes,
they may want to look at that is their future,
to give away a Sunday to watch them get rolled
over by the Patriots. I just don't think it's happening.
(10:44):
I'll tell you this, Dan, I'll tell you why that
isn't true. I got a d m.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
By a friend. I haven't talked to him a while,
but they were going to the Patriots just like so
like because tickets are thirty four dollars and that's the thing. Yeah,
So it's it's affordable. It's a thing to do with
something to get out and maybe be with family.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Jason Stewart is our executive producer, one who always loves
to trash the product of the National Football League. Jason,
the dilemma here are you setting aside plans with Christina
on Sunday so you can see Brady Cook trying to
carve up that New England? Don't you put Jason and nuts?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
I think In the annals of Fox Sports Radio, Carrie
Rhades stating that Brady Cook has his fans.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's not one of our highest points.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
That can be one of our highest points.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Do you have a graphic department that can make a
graphic with a picture of Carrie Brady Cook has fans,
It'll be me just like this with a thumbs up.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I just think that like the individuals, and rooting for
individuals is one thing. I just I mean, I've been
I've been on the product of the NFL for a
while now. I just think that there's been a deterioration
in the product in general. And now you are having
teams purposeful field teams that aren't supposed to do good,
and then the prospect of adding an eighteenth game, these
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problems will only exacerbate it. Will the entire month of
December be this, you know, two thirds of the league
just trying out for next year, and at the at
the suffering of the fans and the gamblers, the handicap
ever you take everyone into like, it just seems like
a joke to me, for all the reasons Dan pointed out. No,
And Dan's right, But I'm gonna tell you. I'll tell
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you this. I'm gonna tell you who thought it is.
Who's thought it is, Jason Dan, It's ours.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
We still watch it, we still gamble on it, we
still have the fantasy things, and so it's great point.
It's not about the product of the NFL. We know
that we all agree that it's waning, but doesn't matter.
But here's here's the point to that. And I want
to go to Chrispurphet in the second, the gamblers and
the fantasy players are the one screwed because the players
that you would bet on or you would have on
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your fantasy team in the championship game. Now, instead of
having two throwing pass is to Jalen Waddle, you have Quhen.
You were throwing passes to Jalen Wattle. So not only
is it like it's a and I know, listen, I
may talk about fantasy football a little too much here,
I will fully admit it. However, you cannot deny that
(13:17):
it is a big reason why the National Football League
has such a grip hold on its fan base because
it reaches nationally. If we only cared about our local teams,
we would be Major League Baseball. That's what we would be.
That's what it is. But the betting portion of it,
the fantasy portion of it, makes it so popular in
so many different ways. And when you're putting out players
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like this, if you have Jonathan Taylor or Tyler Warren
in your fantasy league and it's week seventeen and you're
in the championship game and Jacksonville's come into town and
you're gonna put out Riley Leonard.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That would tick me off. And that's a part of
the fan as well. If you had tickets to Colts Jaguars,
are you less or more likely to go? If Philip
rivers quarterback, You're gonna go. Yes, So that's what you
have to take into account. The Chiefs don't have a quarterback.
It's Christmas Night on Thursday. Their tickets are cheaper right
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now than to watch the Saints and Titans play on
Sunday to go to Arrowhead on Christmas Night, which, by
the way, it's gonna be really warm in Kansas City
for Christmas. Timp's are only gonna be in the forties
at night, so you're not bundled up. But that's what
we're saying, that's taking away from a holiday. That's though,
like that's and it's I understand that the Chiefs Minshew
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gets hurt, Mahomes gets hurt back to back weeks. There's
not a lot that you can prepare for that. But
in these other situations, where you have other games. I
think it is something you can prepare for.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Chris Purphett, Yeah, And I think the problem is is
just once you've expanded it, there's no taking it back.
There's never going to be a We talk about this
all the time with a baseballer or the NBA. It's like,
well they should, they should retrack the season. That'll never happen,
just like the NFL will never go back to sixteen games.
You know, this is always my big argument when people
start talking about expanding the college football playoff. Once you
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get too much of something and decide it's too much,
there is never a way to push the Pandora's box
closed again. And it leaves us with the situation where
it's just it's devalued across the board and like, yeah, now,
and it's gonna affect the playoffs because now we're just hoping, like, hey,
maybe you can get the playoffs, but like you're way
too damn banged up.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Roger Goodell's excuse reasoning points whatever you want to put
in expanding from sixteen to seventeen was fans want more
football money. Well that's that's that's the true portion of it. Yeah,
But fans don't want this football, and that's I think
that's the issue that we've got with the NFL. They
don't want to see this sort of football. Yeah, no,
(15:52):
I get it. I understand that. I mean there's I
don't have anything to say. I mean, yeah, I don't
think it's a I don't think it's made better by
an extra game, and I know players don't care for
it anyway. So there's scenarios where if the Texans lose
to the Chargers and the Colts end up winning against
Jacksonville and there's another outcome, like the Colts can make it.
(16:16):
But again it's two to three percent, and maybe that
two to three percent is enough for the Colts to say,
Philip Rivers going out there and beat Jacksonville. Yeah. I
would hope though, that if the Colts do play Philip
Rivers in Week seventeen and they don't win, that we
see Philip Rivers in Week eight, Like that's I just
I want to see him play out the string. I
don't want this just to be a two game quick
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hit and have Philip Rivers be gone, because it's been
too good of a story from a team that honestly,
at this point of the season is not bringing value
to the NFL, to the product, and it really really could.
The Dolphins aren't bringing value to the NFL. The Jets
aren't doing it, the Raiders aren't doing it, the Giants
aren't doing it. Here you have a team that is
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basically out of the playoff picture, and it could give
us a reason to watch. And that's why I want
Philip Rivers to continue to start the rest of the season.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
And I'm probably I'm eighty percent. I'm eighty percent sure
he will Dan, even though they may be out of it.
Like I said, this is it for him and he's
and yeah, they don't have a chance. One game of
seeing Riley Leonard play against the NFL defense that may
not even matter won't give them the answers they need.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
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Speaker 2 (17:32):
Don right, it's go time, Go time on a Tuesday
here on Fox Sports Radio. Hit carry out at Carry
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You and our anchor Chris Purfett going head to head
with Louisville against Toledo and the Boca Ratone Bowl. Jason
Stewart is here, as is Iowa. Sam. Do you care
about this game as an alum? You just shoug your head. No,
(18:16):
they completely dismissed it. Don't you want to see the
guys make plays, see some young guys step up? Not really.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I want these guys to be healthy and get ready
to win win the ACC next year.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They have the talent to do it.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
But right now, these games like a Toledo like this
game would be so much bigger for Toledo, and so
I can understand them want to tune in and get
a big Bowl win going into next season.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, the Cardinals look good. I like the I like
the helmet that like them sporting today. Yes, I think
they I don't know if they look good on the field.
I haven't been pay much attention to the contest fashion wise,
I think they look good, better than the colts. Yes,
that uniform mash up last night is one that we've
seen before. But it just it just doesn't work. It
(19:00):
really doesn't. It remind it looks like an all denim outfit.
All right. Do you remember that picture of Justin Timberlake
and Britney Spears and twenty five years ago, like they
were straight denim. I've got it on my phone. And
then you add the black helmet, and anytime you add
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black to a color scheme, it just doesn't work. Maybe
it did twenty years ago, maybe it did twenty five
years ago, it doesn't work now. Colts, listen, they're white
or they're blue. So if you're not wearing white, you're
wearing blue. You shouldn't be wearing black. And if you're
gonna wear blue, do not wear whatever color blue that
was man, you just say bye bye bye. All right, Hey,
(19:44):
I'm here all week. I'm here all week. I'm here
all week. If you want to talk more uniforms or
anything more, and looking back to week sixteen, now's the
time to do it. It's Tuesday, Tuesday, this is Tuesday morning.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Quarterback in the Afternoon. Mondays can be old whelming. Tuesdays,
they're getting to whatever we didn't get to on Monday. Yeah,
this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the Afternoon.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Things that we may have missed, didn't talk about. We
start with Jason Stewart. Jason Stewart leaning off on Tuesday
Morning Quarterback in the Afternoon. Fellas.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I don't want to stam this up, but it's multi pronged.
So this is by no means amy preempting your content.
I just I want to talk about four things the
Bucks and the Lions have kind of to me outsider
looking in, the Bucks and Lions kind of have the
same issue this season. Now Chris Purfett follows the Lions
(20:41):
closer than I. Maybe he has a counterpoint, and you
could also say that the Bucks were very injured this season,
but I'm going to say that both teams lost their
star sexy offensive coordinator from last season, and each of
their quarterbacks and or offense has has kind of paid
the price this season Lions and Bucks. I also want
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to say that if we're going to judge Ben Johnson
and William Cohen's season in general, looking back at this
we can't just say, look at the record of their
new team compared to the record last year. The contrast
also needs to be look at the Lions offense when
he left, look at the Bucks offense when he left.
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It needs to be factored into the equation. That's my
point four multi pronged takes, and it's not going to
preempt Dan Buyer's well.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I will say this about the Buccaneer side of things.
I'll let the Chris hand of the Lion stuff. I
think it's more frustrating on the Buccaneer side of things
because they had injuries throughout the season that they were navigating.
They didn't have Chris Godwin to start the year. He
comes back, did lose Mike Evans around weeks five to
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sixty seven. Around that time he's out, Bucky Irving missed
a significant portion of time. And now you're getting everybody back.
You've got three running backs Sean Tucker, Rashaud White, and
the aforementioned Bucky Irving wide receiver of Mecca Buca was
the NFL offensive Rookie of the Year for about the
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first half of the year. You bring Godwin back. Now,
Evans's return from his collar bone and they're still not
getting it done. They drop back to back games at
home a couple of weeks ago. Like, that's the issue
with me, is that the Buccaneers, even with getting everybody back,
they still aren't the machine that you would have hoped.
(22:32):
And they aren't good defensively anymore. They're really bad defensively.
Outside of Vita Vea stuffing the run, they aren't stopping anyone.
So I think like the Buccaneers have a much bigger
problem because they actually had some of their players come back,
and I know they still may win the division, but
they don't pose a threat to anybody else in the NFC. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I would piggyback on top of that, Dan and say
it's been a combination of some cochain thing, but they
haven't performed well and they've been injured. But you know,
if they've gotten guys come back, and like you spoke
about imca Abuka, the way he played in the beginning
of the season, you get all those other guys back
and you think he'll be able to continue that, and
he has not played that way in the second half.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Of the season. You want to take the Lions side
of things, Chris.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I think It's fascinating because I've seen some numbers
that indicate it's a lot of the same offensive metrics
on like a macro scale. The Lions have hit this year,
but clearly it's not winning them as many games. Part
of that's the schedule they had to play, and you
want to talk about an understated part of what the
Lions had to adjust with besides Ben Johnson, but like
the core of their team, the offensive line turned over
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three different changes on the interior that entire interior of
their line. Frank rag Now has gone, Kevin Zeitler left,
Graham Glasgow's now was acting to play center, and he
was out against the Steelers. They've suffered a lot of
turnover on the offensive line, which means the run game
can't get going, which means that their offense really can't
going on some games when they can't establish that run.
(24:02):
And like the Buccaneers, they kind of have that injury
bug again on their defense, not as not as overwhelming
as it was last year, but they have no healthy dbs.
I was joking with Carrie on Sunday that he might
have to suit up for the Lions as safety or something.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, it's also like I think the injuries are a problem,
Like why you wouldn't see Jamiir Gibbs have the game
that you should have had in the running game. Hank
Fraleyer is the guy that you know stays around Jannor
Engstrand left with Aaron Glenn to the Jets. But obviously
there is an issue because you made a change at
offensive coordinator and play calling mid season. They have Dan
Campbell calling the plays from Johnny Morton, so there's there's
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obviously an issue there the Bucks. To Jason's point, there
may be there may be an issue with the coordinators,
which I think is true. At some point there's going
to be attrition. You can't lose Canalis, you can't lose
Cohen and think that you're just gonna be able to
replace these guys and maybe it's caught up in Tampa. Yeah,
all right, I want to kind of go along that.
(24:58):
And speaking of Liam Cohen, this is this was Sean
Payton prior to the lead up to the game on
Sunday against Jacksonville. As as you look at him and
and and and you watch the tape, it you know
(25:21):
it's a smaller market, but you see a real good team. Yeah, Okay.
Liam Cohen's response after beating Denver on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Great team effort. Just thankful that you know, a small
market team like us can come into a place like
Mile High and get it done.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I love it. I love it. I love it. Uh,
you know it's going crazy on TikTok. Everybody's looking at
that clip. There's there's a couple of things within this
number One a small market team. Sean Payton isn't saying
that they're the the little engine that could. What Seana
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was trying to say, and I know Carrie doesn't believe
because you think Sean Payton always has a reason is
that people may not know how good Jacksonville is because
they don't garner a lot of national attention. Yes, and
I think that that's fair because the smallest market teams
in the National Football leagu quite honestly right now, are
the most popular. It's the Packers and the Bills. Like
(26:20):
when you look at like the fan base of those teams,
I mean it's just just huge, huge fan bases. But
in the cities that they're into, the smaller markets. I
don't think he was trying to side swipe. But what
should also be known of this is the transformation of
Liam Cohen. When we all were truly introduced to Liam Cohen,
it was last year when he was introduced as the
(26:42):
Jaguars coach and obviously said this due okay with that
weird look on his space. Have you seen Liam Cohen.
Now you're doing it as well. This transformation aviator glasses,
black hat, black vest, black sleeve. You're not messing with me.
(27:02):
This transformation of Liam Cohen is amazing. And by the way,
his words for Sean Payton not the only coach he's
had words with. Remember in San Francisco earlier in the
year when Robert Sala was trying to pay them a
compliment and Cohen's like, keep my team out of your
mouth or what like what are we doing? Like like
Liam Cohen, just enjoy the ride. But he's turned into
(27:23):
it's like he's over compensating for Duvall. Now has this
whole new look. He's yelling at other head coaches taking shots.
It's a complete transformation. It's like he went on Ricky
Lake and they gave him a new makeover. I don't
know if that was the talk show that did makeovers,
but they turned him around and now he's like this cool,
(27:45):
slick villain.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Liam Cohen has turned into the terminator, a long black jacket, leather,
the glasses. Play that clip again, dude, that's Liam.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I know, I love it.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I love the confidence he has his team, the pulse
of his team, and they're going after And you know, Dan,
you cannot say that Sean Peyton didn't mean anything because
you know, I'm not riding with that at all.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Dan. I think he was trying not to offend them.
I say, like, nobody really knows about them. But then
I'm sure Lee and Calm would have taken you know,
exception to that, or take offense to that and call
him out for it. So he just called them small market,
which is true. And by the way, in the NFL
with a salary cap doesn't matter, like it's different in
(28:32):
Major League Baseball. But it's not a it's not a putdown,
it's not a it's just explaining on what it was
that maybe they weren't as popular, but whatever, use it
his motivation. But this transformation of Liam Cohen in almost
a year to me is pretty staggering. Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
All right, I guess for mine, the one thing that
I would talk about here in his moment, we talked
about this this, I talked about the sports gambling stuff
and us as fans being so you know, enraptured and captured,
you know, in the involvement of what that brings us
as fans as well to the surface. I think, and
I think a lot of times we hear these allegations
(29:09):
of like a Terry Rosier and why he's not playing
this year and having some inside betting situation things happening.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
And I just saw the other day.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Where the lawyers are getting or moving to try to
dismiss all the betting charges against Terry Roseer because of
the language of the league and saying the league jumped
into this and suspended him without paying all these things
in this preliminary way that they usually do. But now
it's now with the information coming out, it's circling back
around that you know, he didn't have really anything to
(29:39):
do with that stuff. And so I want to talk
about us jumping on the bandwagging of you know, pointing
the finger at people and saying they're guilty before they're
guilty in these situations.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You so you think Terry Roseier is innocent? Is that
what you're saying?
Speaker 4 (29:54):
That I think he may have less involvement than we
thought he did at first.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Okay, do you think this translates into the NFL. Do
you think that we are going to have NBA sort
of betting problems like we do, or have NFL betting
problems like we do in the NBA. I don't think we.
I don't think we will.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I think with the NFL, you can have one guy
that can mess up a game, and I think that
usually boils down to the quarterback and the kicker because
they control so much of it. You would think that
the quarterbacks and kickers would be a little bit more,
have a little bit more integrity because they are isolated
so much. That'll be hard for them to throw a
game or to help somebody on the outside to cash
(30:33):
in on the bet.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah. I can imagine them taking a running back off
and going into the tent and be like, nothing's wrong.
I don't know how. Just the ankle feels sore, you know,
I just can't No, He's final to go in like
it'd be tough to do in the NFL to try
to hit a rushing under like Terry Rozier would.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
I think Carrie just did it again. And I'm not
saying I'm not I'm not pointing out that that you're
wrong here, but I find it interesting because I got
I got into a Twitter spat recently with an NFL
influencer about He's like, man, the refereeing today could not
be worse. And my thing is like, if you think
about it this way, if there are referee crews being compromised, Okay,
(31:18):
you basically just said that it would have to be
the kicker or the quarterback. Yeah, I don't for whatever reason,
the officials are given this massive pass or we just
have a blind spot with officiating crews. They don't make
a whole lot of money, and they would be the
people that could most control these things. And if you
did have a compromise crew, wouldn't it look like a mess?
(31:40):
Wouldn't you be scratching your head like all game at
certain calls? Why why would he call that? Why wouldn't
he call that? Like when you're talking about gambling and
how it's entered sports. Yeah, and then the people that
have the most influenced to alter results. I think that
NFL officials, for whatever reason, kind of get a pass
on this. And I I I just have a feeling
(32:01):
when if if not not not if, but when there's
a major NFL gambling scandal, there's going to be an
officiating crew in like the forefront of the charges.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
See, I think that. I think the only reasons that
refs would make bad causes so they can get on TV.
Oh wait, that's pukkuis that's because they have a dream text.
Last week, he's so smart. He said that the officiating
in the NFL is a little suss Oh with that
a real tweet. That was well. He tweeted then after
(32:33):
the Seahawks game about all the people who yelled at
him about his comments about the referees, saying that the
refs cost them, but his point was he thinks refs
throw pass interference flags, which by the way, would benefit
benefit him. Do you want to Oh, we got it.
Let's let's see. Let's straight get straight from Puka.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Yeah, the work because there's just some of the rules
aren't then, like.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
These guys want to be These guys are lawyers, and like, brother,
they want to be on TV too.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Brother, like the game, you don't think he's he's texting
his friends.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
In the group chat.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Like yo, you guys just saw many Sunday Night football
like that, Like that wasn't p I like, but I
called it was serious.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, these guys are noble.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Human Wow, that is a conversation that sounds like it
could be on Mars, like like in the in the
guys and I know they're streamers and I know they
have millions of followers, but to be like, no, no way,
take me to your leader there.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, Like that's is especially strange a comment coming from
an NFL player, and it could just be come from
a fan, and a fan would sound delusional saying it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But a guy who's been playing professional football for several
years also he should know better. I also don't think
that it was looked at enough that this is a
guy who would then benefit from said ref throwing a
flag on an offense on a pass interference call, right,
so he would benefit team would benefit. But he's saying, yeah,
this stuff is sus man, this stuff is really sus
(34:05):
Can I take my Tuesday morning quarterback back? That's another thing, Dan,
I hate.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You know, I've talked about it before, these players speaking
on these podcasts and thinking that it's not going to
be heard by the whole world, like that medium has
taken over our consumption of like media, and so when
you say these things, it's fair game. Michael Porter Junior
is the same way, saying a lot of the things back.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
In the day. I've had podcasts that have been listened
to by nobody, So it's not all of them. Iowa, Sam.
I'll be quick here. We're nearing the end of the season.
There's a lot of candidates who could be AP Coach
of the Year. I'll just list a few. Dan you
or guy Mike McDonald could have very well be a candidate.
Ben Johnson could be a candidate for Coach of the Year,
(34:49):
Sean Payton, Dimico Ryans. But if you look at the
coaching jobs that Kyle Shanahan of the Niners have done
and Jim Harbaugh of the Chargers navigating injuries, and you
maybe flip a coin between those two. But if I
had to pick one of those two, Kyle Shanahan or
Jim Harbaugh, I'd probably give it to Jim Harbaugh just
for how much how many injuries they've had. Najie Harris,
They've had injuries on the offensive line, and here they are,
(35:11):
They're going to the playoffs for consecutive years. For the
first time in I think two thousand and eight, two
thousand and nine. So for the for the charters to
be in this position where they are with all these injuries,
Jason can speak to this, pretty impressive to have them
at eleven wins right now, Jason shocked that they have
a chance of the division. So you said.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yesterday, right, it's like an outside shot at the number
one seed. Chances they control their destiny for the division.
But yeah, No, to Sam's point, Harbaugh, he's been like
a miracle worker since he got on campus. There's nothing
that he could do that will surprise me at this point,
and that includes cheat.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Damn well, everybody else doesn't. Chris Burfett, you want to
wrap this up with your Tuesday Morning quarterback.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, and it's one that's maybe floying under the radar
a bit. We know the Dolphins bench to a tongue
of ailoa. Before this, they trotted out Quinn yours and
it was even more of a disaster. I'm just and
I know Mike McDonald's come is like pretty much certified
to come back next year. But Mike McDaniel, excuse me,
I said Donald, But like I'm just, I'm kind of
(36:20):
tired of doing this with the Dolphins, where they start
losing six of their first seven, they rattle off four
straight and injects a little bit of life and a
little bit of hope to the that what this could
be again? And then it just it peters out like this.
This This offensive line is not good at all. Their
quarterback situation is as bad as it can get because
(36:40):
I'm assuming Tua is not coming back this year. You
don't make that kind of benching if you're not one
hundred percent done with Tua. You're not getting that performance
out of Quinn yours or Zach Wilson. And I don't
know who you're bringing in in the off season they
have besides Levon, they don't really have a lot that
stands out for their roster. It all screams it needs
(37:01):
a hard reset, and it just leads me back to
once again that Mike McDaniel will be back next year.
And it brings me to a phrase I've fallen in
love with, what should be done, what will be done eventually,
should be done immediately. And I'm not sure why this
team continues to kick the can down the road just
because they win four games in November every year.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Like this I had. I had an issue with what
the Dolphins have done. We've talked about it a bunch,
but the butt about Mike McDaniels. I like Mike McDaniel.
I actually I really do, and I think that they're thinking,
and I agree with this, is if you actually maxed
out toua to get us into the playoffs as a
wild card, then you can do something. Imagine if you
can get that franchise type of player working with Mike McDaniel,
(37:42):
I think that's their hope. This is also a Dolphins
franchise that not so long ago was loaded with first
round picks. It's why they were able to maybe offer
the Bengals the four first round picks in the year
that they were gonna draft Joe Burrow in twenty twenty.
But they kind of wasted some of those first round picks.
They had one docked because of tampering with Tom Brady
and Sean Payton, so they've really kind of fumbled the
(38:05):
bag in Miami. And to your point about needing a reset,
I really like Mike McDaniel. I think that he should
stay along, but I do think to Chris's point, there's
more work to do, especially trying to get out from
under this two accounts.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
They're gonna be picking tenth as well this year. It's
kind of they're they're sliding away from those top cream
picks just because they keep pushing so hard near.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
The end of the season. Well, that's what they're not
doing now, and that's why they're playing with yours is
they're trying to move up the draft.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I like Mike McDaniel's as well, but I think he's
an offensive coordinator in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Mike Rabel right now, your coach of the year favorite, Mikerable,
I keep understanding. I mean, wait, Liam Cones plus seve
I did not write Liam Cohen down. Yeah, I saw it.
Yeah to two you did a good job. Shanahan and
(38:55):
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Hoops versus football last night? What did you watch? You know? Percentage?
Percentage wise? Like? Was it eighty five percent? NFL fifteen
(39:42):
p NBA? How about flip that?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Okay, yeah, but I guess danned in I since I
had the DVR, I did end up watching most of it.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Well, the topic the conversation after the Colts and Niners
game had nothing to do with the NFL. It had
to do with what happened in the NBA in San
Francisco last night, with the Warriors topping the Magic one
ninety seven. Yep, if you didn't know that, I just
told you. If you knew that, good on you. Because
nobody's talking about that game. The only thing that they're
(40:12):
saying is how does this happen in a win? And
the this I'm talking about is Draymond Green is at
it again. He and Steve Kerr end up having words
yeah during the huddle in the third quarter, and then
Draymond just leaves and then and then comes back to
(40:32):
the bench in the fourth quarter. Didn't didn't play a
minute after he and Kerr got into the to the spat.
This was the Warriors head coach after the game last night.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
We got into it, obviously, and you know, I took
the time out just because I thought we lost our
focus there a little bit, and we had it out
a little bit, and you know, he made his decision
to go back to the locker room to cool off.
And that's all I'm going to say about it. It's everything.
Everything is private, and yeah, I got nothing further.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Dad, he didn't play the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Would you have gone back to.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
No, No, he wasn't. He wasn't going back yet.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
And was that a decision by him?
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Well, he left, he went back to the locker room.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
A decision by him. It may well have been. And
maybe there's like leeway because of what they've all gone through. Yeah,
but I don't didn't sound like Steve Kerr was saying that.
Now there are two sides to every story, Carrie, so
it's only fair. And we hear Draymond's version of the
events that occurred last night.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
Draymond, what happened and why did you leave the bench?
Timber spilled over and I just thought it was best
that I got it. I don't think there was a
situation where it was going to get better, so it
was just best to remove myself. You know. That's it
what caused the argument. Basketball. That's what we do. We
(41:56):
played basketball. It's an emotional game. You know, people love
there emotion. Sometimes it happens, it is what it is.
You know, we've been at this now for a long time. Yeah,
sometimes you people for a long time. There's a level
of comfort and happens. We move forward.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
I mean, do you feel like this will linger at all?
Speaker 8 (42:19):
Now?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
We move forward? So there's I think that it was
handled as best as it could be. But this is
not a fifty to fifty situation. No, this is not
guess what Draymond Green has his say some of the time,
Steve Kerr is his state some of the say some
of the time. This is always about Draymond Green. Everything
(42:43):
has always been about Draymond Green, and any sort of friction,
any sort of conflict, any sort of confrontation is always
about Draymond Green. And that's why Steve Kerr should have
a freaking award considering what he's had to deal with,
putting up with Draymond's antics for the last decade plus
(43:04):
and doing it in a way where he doesn't cause
complete chaos within his organization and handles it the way
that he does. And Draymond is smart enough to know
in Draymond's explanation there that his head coach is also
not going to say anything. So Draymond's gonna say his
little piece, Kurt's gonna say his little piece and want
(43:24):
us to move on after that. But how many times
does this have to happen, Carrie, where Draymond Green is
causing ways for the Golden State Warriors and nothing is
going to come of it.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
I'll tell you this, Dan, let me preface it by
saying this first, I think the only I think Steve
Kerr is the best coach to be able to handle
this situation anyway. And I'll say that because the one
reason he played with somebody who was a menace and
if from the outside looking in, would make things all
about him as well. Even though he played hard in
(43:58):
between the lions and all these things and was a
great teammate in between the lines, you know what that
person is Dennis Rodman. That's Dennis Rodman, and so he
has he had that example. As a player, he saw
how Phil Jackson hendled that situation. All players aren't created equal, Dan,
And as much as coaches and people want to think
they are, some people you gotta handle with kid gloves
to get their maximum effort off. I mean on the
(44:21):
field and on the court and win. And that's what
that business is about, right. So he had that example,
and so I'll say from this in this time, in
this era of basketball, Draymond Green is Dennis Rodman, so
to speak, and so he can handle him in that
way and know how to handle it in the house.
But when it comes to Draymond and his antics and
(44:42):
it being about him, Dan, you're one hundred percent true,
like everything happens to him, not for him. And I
think that's the problem with a lot of guys, and
Draymon is at the top of that list when you
talk about guys that can be a problem if things
don't go asway.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
I look at it. I look at Rodman a little
differently in terms of Rodman was always an instigator on
the court, but there was also the outside of Dennis Rodman,
of him going to Las Vegas, or him being on
the cover of a magazine dressed up in a in
a bride's gown or whatever they came the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, WCW,
(45:20):
Monday Night in trow all of those things, those are
those are outside got uh. Like Draymond Green's punching players
in practice, and that's what I think of every single
time Draymond Green pulls this. I also think Draymond Green
hits Lebron James in the groin in Game four of
the twenty sixteen NBA Finals. I think about that. I
(45:42):
think about the Jordan Poole punch every single time Draymond
Green is into something. And that's the like, that's the
issue is I think Steve Kerr would much rather deal
with Dennis Rodman. And I don't think Dennis Robin is
hanging around the NBA when his game isn't what it
was ten years ago. He's doing this out of loyalty
(46:03):
and out of what Draymond Green has meant to the organization.
But at some point you're being taken advantage of if
you're Steve Kerr or if you're the Golden State Warriors
in allowing this to happen. And by the way, Draymond Green,
you're right, Steve Kerr is the only one that would
put up with this. There's no other coach in the
NBA that would be able to corral what Draymond Green
(46:24):
is doing. And the reason of that is Draymond Green
thinks he knows everything about basketball, and so you would
be challenging the other coaches in the NBA and what
maybe Spolstra, you know, like it would would maybe have
the cachet, but then you don't have the personal relationship
and the time over the last decade. It's just this
is a you know, this is a Warrior's team that
(46:45):
again is they're a middling team that you want to
root for because of what happened in the past and
maybe have one go around. But when you're hovering around
five hundred, you're trying to figure out your place. And
now Draymond Green is leaving the bench, which again maybe
he didn't want to say something that he would you know,
would have regretted later on. Yeah, but this now just
(47:07):
becomes another distraction and another thing that Steve Gerrist to
talk about in the post game.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
And the important thing you said right there is we're
hanging on to the lure of the Warriors past. This
isn't that team, And so the leeway that Draymond has
had and obviously still has at this moment, I think
it could be validated in years prior, But right now
this team isn't good, and Draymond Green isn't good.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
He is.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
He's a guy that is going to give you eight,
five and five right now. And is that worth a headache?
I don't think it is. Jason Stewart's the show's executive producer.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
This incident like taps into one of my pet peeves
is when when athletes kind of use there an excuse
of throwing a fit and being immature and put it
all under the umbrella I'm just competitive and I just
want to win. I'm guessing you played with a lot
of like hus still teammates who would do things you're
not supposed to and then the coach would cover for
(48:04):
them like he just really wants to win, That's how.
But everybody else was being an actual mature professional, but
that guy, So last night I flagged this sound. This
was Draymond kind of explaining in a way why the
tempers were so heated.
Speaker 9 (48:19):
Right Quite honestly, if everybody's okay with be in fifteen
and fifteen, and it's just WHOOPI dude, talking to you
when they're forty one and forty one.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Can be whoopy doing fifteen and fifteen.
Speaker 8 (48:36):
Some gotta get so.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
So that's like it's his way of explaining away, I
just want to win and these guys don't. So I
could go off on my coach and make a fool
out of myself like that. There at some point, there
needs to come a time where that's no longer an
excuse for somebody like Draymond. But I don't think we've
reached that point.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
People think that that Draymond got uh was lost for
Game five, like we forget history. Yeah, because he punched
Lebron in the you know, in the growing No, it
was a flagrant fowl, which was an accumulation of fouls
which triggered a one game suspension. Yea, So tell me
(49:14):
what's worse knowing that your one foul away, that you
could be suspended for a game. Knowing that, or in
a spur of the moment hitting someone in the junk right, Like,
in the spur of the moment, you're going to think,
guess what, I would give that more of a pass
than knowing throughout the entire game that he's sitting there
skating on thin ice. He's walking this tightrope that I
(49:35):
just can't do anything stupid. I can't do anything foolish.
So when he's talking about the team being ticked off
about being fifteen and fifteen and ending up the regular
season forty one and forty one, Yeah, you were this
close to wrapping up back to back NBA titles and
clinching the greatest NBA season we had ever seen. But
(49:56):
you couldn't help yourself. You couldn't help yourself in that situation.
And then Carrie, after three more rings following that series,
he's still doing the same thing. So where's the problem
the person that doesn't change or all the other players
that are around which, by the way, yeah, Draymond may
not want to be fifteen and fifteen, but maybe one
(50:17):
of the reasons they're fifteen and fifteen is because they've
continued to capt Draymond Green with the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Great point, and they also in the whole vein of
this conversation, Jason said something with the generalization of, you know,
Draymond being able to kind of rely on that aspect
of winning to get away with some of these things.
I don't like the generalization that he puts out right,
like he's the only one that cares about winning. Yeah,
(50:44):
there's it may be ninety It may be two percent
that don't care because they're mad they're not getting whatever.
That could be some instance, there's ninety eight percent of
those guys that want to win, and just because it's
not doing the way you want it to be done
doesn't make you right.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
You're on a team with Steph Hurry and Jimmy Butler, right, like,
this is not a bunch of youngins on your team
that you're trying to mold into two winners. He's just
being a sore loser and he's sitting there complaining about basketball, which,
by the way, he wasn't having a conversation with, you know,
Padjemski or Jonathan Kaminga or another young player on the Warriors.
(51:19):
He's having the argument with Steve Kerr, the most accomplished person. Yes, yes,
so apparently Steve Kerr, you know, settling for fifteen and
fifteen and you know Kerr keeping it in houses what
they always do. Is actually the biggest problem that I
had with the Jordan Poole deal is they cared more
that the video got out than that Draymond Green actually
(51:39):
punched his own teammate, Yea the way that he did,
and when we saw the video, we saw how egregious
it was. He just has never changed, He never learns,
and it's just going to be the same old, same
old with with Draymond Green.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
I just wish I had that much equity with anything
in life, the way that Dreymond has with the Golden
State Warriors.
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.