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Speaker 3 (01:01):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
The committee has spoken, and the complaining is loud, and
it's obnoxious, and they got it as close to right
as you can get it. And you're sitting there and
you're gonna tell me, Doug, Florida State is ny won
a dower vine. They don't have their quarterback Jordan Travis

(01:28):
for the remainder of the season and though we've seen
Ohio State get in a couple of years ago and
Cardill Jones led them to a national championship. A couple
of things should be pointed out. One, I was on
team Ohio State doesn't belong in. I thought that Rouser
May was flimsy back then and they had a third
string quarterback, but alas okay I was on team ohastinim

(01:52):
so I am consistent with this. The second thing is
that Ohio State team played one game with Cardil Jones
at quarterback for playing in the playoffs and one fifty
nine to nothing over Wisconsin. And whether that Wisconsin was
as good or better than Louisville this year, but whatever,
everything looked like fifty nine other was complete and utter drubbing.
We've seen two starts without Jordan Travis and they've looked

(02:16):
pedestrian at best. And then you can't compare the SEC
or even the Texas's resume or the Pac twelve or
the Big Ten with the ACC. It's if you have
five leagues, you have five leagues, it's towards the bottom.
Probably it's the bottom of the top five leagues. Now

(02:36):
that doesn't mean that Florida State's at the bottom of
the of the five. Florida State went out beat LSU
to start the year, but overall, Miami's down, Virginia Tech's down,
clemses and is down, and North Carolina is good but
not as good as people hope they could be. And
you have a Florida State team that survived advanced and

(02:56):
you can pick apart any team's resume you want. Georgia
can feel like it's no fair. We go undefeated for
two years and all of a sudden we lose one game,
a close win the SEC championship game, end we're out.
Oregon can sit there and go, hey, people thought that
they were a nine point favorite. What a game Friday Night? Right?
They lose by a field goal twice to Washington. They're out.

(03:24):
Ohio State loses one game this season on the road
at Michigan. They're out. So it's not an equitable system.
It's never been fair. But the idea is very simple.
The idea is to try and find the four best teams, period,

(03:47):
not the foremost deserving teams, not anything carrying it. And
every argument you have has a counter argument, which is
likely much stronger. Here's B. Corgan, who, of course is
the Committee chair on the decision to exclude Florida State.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Florida State is a different team than they were through
the first eleven weeks. Coach Norvel, their players, their fans,
you know, an incredible season. But as you look at
who they are as a team right now, without Jordan Travis,
without the offensive dynamic that he brings to it, they
are a different team. And the committee voted Alabama four

(04:26):
in Florida State five.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I mean, like, look, I think, and I know I'm
not wrong in this one. They're not even seen as
the fifth best team. Like, look, Florida State plays Georgia tomorrow,
who do you think is gonna win? Georgia State plays,
Florida State plays Oregon tomorrow. Do you think is gonna win?
Florida State plays Ohio State tomorrow. Who do you think

(04:50):
is going to win? Well, that's not the point. Actually
that is the point. If you can't get the point
of us finally cutting through the crap of the pomp circumstance, well,
you know, Alabamas, everybody cowering to the SEC here's a
news flash for you. If anyone on earth has earned

(05:11):
the right to if it's close, get in. It's the
sec right, like you've been dominant for twenty five years,
you allocate more resources to it. It does, in fact
me more. And look, I understand Florida State went through

(05:32):
a perier where they were in that in that area,
right they were at fourteen years when they finished top
four or better. That was an amazing run. That hasn't
been the case recently. But the true test is you
just ask people, in all honesty, do you think Georgia
or Florida State, Bama or flow State? And you're like, wow,

(05:53):
Texas comes from the Big twelve. It's not any good.
Like okay, Like they lost the rivalry game. They led
the whole time. They should have won the game. They
beat Alabama at Alabama, which is better than anybody else's win,
and then they went through the conference. I understand they
could have lost to Kansas State. That would have ended
this thing. The difference is if they didn't have yours,

(06:18):
then they wouldn't get in simple because you know what,
when they didn't have their starting quarterback, they weren't as good.
It's the old there's this starter for a reason, and
now it's even more pronounced than it was previously because
now it's really hard to keep depth. You know, there's
talk of arch Manning transferring because they because yours is

(06:40):
coming back, when yours is coming back to Texas, because
nobody wants to sit for a year, let alone two years.
So your backups are weaker than they've been, you lose
your starting quarterback, and let's just be honest. The ACC
is not seen as the level of league of the SEC,
of the Pac Twelve, of the Big Ten. And look,

(07:04):
I don't think the Big twelve was great this year,
but when Texas had their starting quarterback, they were better
than everybody else, including Oklahoma. And you'd be like, Oklahoma
beat them, Like Okay, I can make the same argument
for Oklahoma State is better than Oklahoma. Oklahoma is better
than Oklahoma State. They didn't beat them, but they're probably
they're better than them. So all this complaining, here's ej Manuel,

(07:31):
of course, played quarterback at Florida State on the ACC huddle.
On Florida State being left out, The.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Reaction one is, Jordan has nothing to be sorry about,
right first and foremost, Jordan Travis, you have nothing to
be sorry about. This entire team. You have nothing to
hang your head about. This is wrong playing and simple
I think this goes against every single thing that you're
taught as a little league player that it's about the team.
It's not about one player. It's not about the quarterback,
it's not just about the middle linebacker, it's not about

(07:58):
the coach. At times, it seems like that's kind of
been the situation in this entire debacle the way I
see it, because if you, as the committee chair, Bouck Corgan,
who I respect a ton, says that Florida State is
not the same team without their starring quarterback Jordan Travis,
that's obvious. We all know that I agree with that too.
But ultimately this team still found a way to be undefeated.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
So what's the problem.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
If you can go thirteen and oho, you deserve a
chance to then battle, an opportunity to go to war
one more time with your brothers in a semi final
in the Cosstball playoff bar Nune.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
By the way, bout Corgan is an ACC guy. He's
the athletic director at NC State. You know, he previously
worked at Duke. He previously worked at Notre Dame, which
is a quasi ACC school. So we act like these guys,
But what EJM. Ajmanuel did kind of talk out of

(08:51):
both sides of his mouth. They're not as good of that,
Jordan Travis, duh. Everybody agrees with that, correct, And this
is not about well, you deserve a shot, don't sorry,
it's it's like it's one of those we have a
there's a club, a nightclub if you will, and do
we let everybody in next year? A lot more spots

(09:11):
this year, really small, vip rou I will throw this out.
College football has only never been fair. But there is
a world where you sit there and go like, hey,
what if it was the old system, because the old
system wouldn't look all that much different from this system.
The old system would have would have the Rose Bowl

(09:34):
be Michigan versus Washington, which is what it should have
been this year. Instead it's Michigan versus Alabama. It would
have had the Sugar Bowl Alabama against Texas, and then
the Orange Bowl likely would have been Ohio State versus
Florida State. Right, like, that's a pretty that's that's not bad. Right,

(09:56):
then you throw out there in Fiesta, Fiesta would be
the next two, the next two left r right, That
would Fiesta could be Oregon versus Penn State. Maybe how
good would that game be. So I just it's amazing
to me on how we progressed and regress all at

(10:18):
the same time. We always think a playoff makes it
more fair. Sometimes it makes it less fair. We went
to four teams to try and keep it exclusive. I've
always been a proponent of eight teams, not twelve, with
the idea in mind that if you're a conference champion,
you get an automatic spot of the Power five than
the top three get in. Hey, that would mean Florida

(10:39):
State would be in. That would mean probably Oregon, Georgia,
Ohio State would all be in. That would be exactly
probably what it looks like. You know, that would be
relatively bigger. If you want and if you want to celebrate,
you want to be arguing over Penn State versus LSU

(10:59):
or Old Miss. That would be the real argument. And
we'll have more of that next year. But as the
system sits now, I think they got it more right
than you than they got it wrong, or I think
any other decision, any other decision would have left you
thinking they got it more wrong than they did. Don't

(11:21):
get me wrong. Undefeated looks like undefeated. But we saw
this in college basketball when when Kenyon Martin got hurt
for Cincinnati and they got moved from the one line
to the two line. That's what happened here. They didn't
say Florida State stinks. They just said they're not one
of the top four teams. And no one's arguing with that,

(11:42):
no one with any sort of pulse or reasoning. And
the other part too, it is you go, well, they
could win a game. First of all, I don't believe
they could win a game in the semi finals, and
most people don't to Those teams are too good to
not have your quarterback. But the second party, that doesn't
mean you get in. You use all the metrics, you
try and find the top four teams, and do you

(12:04):
honestly think this is the only question, Do you honestly
think that today without Jordan Travis, Florida State is better
than any other four teams selected, or even then Georgia
or Ohio State. And I think you throw in their
Penn State and probably ole missing an LSU again an
LSU obviously they beat. Give me your thoughts. This is

(12:28):
Booger McFarlane, by the way, on the College Football Playoff Review,
sh Review or Reveal show on Florida State being left out.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
This is a travesty to the sport because we go
out on the field and we played the game. And
regardless of whether it looks good at the quarterback position,
regardless of whether we win with offense, whether we win
with defense, the name of the game is to win.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
And that's a reason.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Never before has this not been done, winning a power
foul conference, going undefeated and not getting into the playoff.
So I understand we want to look at style points
and who are we going to get for the best matchups,
But that's not what.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
This is about.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
This is about understanding to get the four best teams.
One team has a loss and that's Alabama. One team
doesn't in Florida State. And the fact that this committee
could take a Power five conference champion that's undefeated, those
kids have went out there and busted it behind and
not get into the playoff based on the I test.
Mind you, this is the same Alabama team who needed
a prayer in Jordan Hare to beat an AUBIT team

(13:22):
that lost to New Mexico State. So that's really what
has me bothered right now.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Okay, I mean Texas needed a miss field goal to
be by Kansas State to be Kansas State in over time.
Florida State needed some help with Jordan Travis beating Boston College.
Who stinks. They all saw their own life pass before
their eyes. We're really going to hold the Iron bol
attack to the Iron Bowl. They needed a miracle and
the Iron Bowl against them like it's a gigantic rivalry game.

(13:51):
We act like there's some travesty of justice. They tried
to find the four best team. Did anybody ask Booger
Booger Bama plays Florida State tomorrow, who's better. You're a
football guy, in your opinion, he was, Well, that's not
the point, that's exactly the point. Well, the point is,
that's the The point is very simple. The committee told

(14:14):
you a long time ago, and you're like, wait a second, wait, wait,
wait the records, then wider the records. The records do matter,
but you have to contextualize every sort of record, right,
That's what you have to do. And everyone in the
sport knows that even if the SEC is down, so

(14:37):
to speak, that it's without any question, the hardest conference
in the country. Remember, this is a an Alabama team that, yeah,
they survived Auburn. It was a miracle that they won
that game. They had to beat a Kentucky team on
the road. They dominated them, same Kentucky team, by the way.

(14:57):
They beat Louisville again. That Louisville again, that just last
two weeks ago. And then Louisville gave Florida State a
good game. They beat LSU, they beat Tennessee, they beat
A and M on the road, Mississippi State and the
road Ole miss and lost to Texas, and then they
beat Georgia. Beating Georgia in Atlanta, the first team in

(15:18):
two years to do so, is better than anything Florida
State has done. The schedule is far more difficult, and
they have their starting quarterback. If Jordan Travis was still playing,
they would be in and it would be interesting. I
think Alabama be out. I don't know if Alabama or
Texas to be out. Probably Alabama. And again, like you

(15:40):
can even judge by the Michigan reaction when they found
out they were playing Alabama, you think they would have
been happy if they're playing Florida State because they sure
that won't happen. They're playing in Alabama. Give me your
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Speaker 1 (17:44):
Snug Gottlab Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio. You know
it's interesting. I am I coach AAU basketball on weekends
and we have an expression. It goes like this, nobody
cares who wins on Saturdays, because on Saturdays it's usually
pool play, and then on Sundays you play in the tournament.
And I do wonder in terms of the Niners being

(18:06):
the Eagles. Don't get me wrong, it's never a bad
thing to win a game, and especially as much as
much talking as there has been between the Niners and
the Eagles since last year's NFC Championship game, you would
expect whoever the victory who was, to take a victory lamp.
But there is a little part of me that says,

(18:27):
it doesn't mean that the Eagles played possum, doesn't mean
they didn't try and win, because winning the game would
have put them in pole position. They're still in good position,
but would have put them absolutely ahead to where no
one's coming back from them getting home field advantage and
getting that buy in the playoffs, which is what they
had last year. Now, all of a sudden, you look

(18:50):
at the Eagles and the remaining part of their scheduling,
and keep in mind last year's they played the easiest
schedule in the NFL. This year it's been a lot
more difficult. They'd lost both of their coordinators and people
have challenged them. Now they still have the best record
in the NFC. They're still in position where they could

(19:11):
they win. They could win the NFC and have the
best record and have home field throughout, but it's the
back end of that schedule is a lot more treacherous.
They got the Cowboys in the road, they got the
Seahawks on the road. They do have two with the Giants,
which appear to be a walk in the park. The
Cardinals at home, who are massively improved with Kyler Murray
but still not great. But the next two are games

(19:34):
that they could absolutely lose. And if they lose one
of them and the Niners went out, the Niners have
the head to head, the Niners get to buy The
Niners have Seahawks at home, then they go to the
Cardinals tough game, then Ravens at home, very difficult game
to the Commander's sneaky game, and then they get the
Rams at the end of the season, and the Rams

(19:54):
could be fighting for a playoff spot. We don't know.
So there is a world there where the Eagles still
have home build throughout. But I guess my question is this,
do we think that the Niners kicking the crap out
of the Eagles? Does that end up coming back to
bite them because they had They they used all their weaponry,
they showed all their stuff, they showed how they're going

(20:17):
to and why they're going to stop the Eagles when
it doesn't really matter that much. Randy Mueller is going
to join us upcoming in a moment Stug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's let's welcome in Randy Mueller,
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you already know this. If you haven't, he's a former
NFL executive year he's the CEO of mueller Football dot Com,

(20:37):
director of player Personnel now with the Seattle Sea Dragons
after a lifetime in the National Football League. And Randy,
thanks so much for taking time, Like I don't want
to make it out like it was the Patriots Giants
back when the Patriots run feed and then the Giants
beat them in the Super Bowl. But is there anything
too trying too hard to win one game when this

(20:59):
is a marathon, not a sprint, And maybe the Niners
want to hold some stuff back.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
Well, I think the Niners are clearly in a position
of finally getting everybody healthy, so I think they wanted
to work on some things. They want to do some
things the way. They couldn't do it for three or
four weeks there. I mean they clearly to me even
before this game, we're the best team. They just hadn't
been able to put it all out there. I think
Yle Shanahan's always going to hold some things back. He's

(21:26):
always going to have a plan B and a second pitch.
I think that's the scary thing for other teams is
they can win so many different ways that it just
depends how teams are going to depend them. They just
seem to have more answers, Doug, and therefore they give
brock Purty more answers. And that's the NFL, right, That's
the secret recipe is to give your quarterback enough information

(21:47):
where he can make choices post snap to get the
ball downfield and not have to wait and just call
another place. So that's their secret.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Soft what was exposed in regards to the Eagles.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
I think the Eagles probably for the most part, And
again you've got to remember that the forty nine ers
were hitting on all cylinders and I give them more
credits than fault to the Eagles. But I think the
Eagles especially in the secondary. We found out that maybe
the third and fourth receivers for the forty nine ers
were better than the third and fourth corners for the Eagles,
So I think they got exposed a little bit in
the secondary. And again, I just think it's a matter

(22:20):
of finding enough ways to change things up to try
to trick rock Party, and the Eagles couldn't do that,
so they just got to I think, tightened up their coverage.
But personnel wise, they lacked a little bit, especially in
the middle of the field, and I thought they got exposed.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Green Bay welcomes in Kansas City beats them twenty seven
to nineteen, some controversial calls notwithstanding, But the resurgeons or
the surgeons I guess of Jordan Love, You've been an
evaluator your entire life, right, You've kind of come up
through the system all the way to being a GM
even now you do player personnel with the Sea Dragons.

(22:55):
What's your evaluation of Jordan Love long term as quarterback
at the back?

Speaker 7 (23:01):
Oh, I think I've always been very positive on Jordan
and his skill set. I think you needed a guy
that he understood things mentally because he'd been there for
three years now. He has to go out and do
it physically, and I think you're seeing progression. But I
think the biggest thing for him is these receivers are
starting to come around. You can compare that to the
receiver group with the Chiefs, who if we sat here

(23:21):
today and evaluated that group, it's the same as it
was in August. They haven't developed. But I got to
give credit to the packers their scheme. They have done
a really good job of advancing the skill sets of
those receivers in Green Bay and that makes Jordan's life easier.
They keep him up right and that helps. But I'm
very pro Jordan Love and I think he's got a

(23:42):
big time future. It doesn't take a lifelong evaluator to
look at his skills in his arm and the angles
he can change. That's rare, and I'm sure that's what
Matt Lafleur and Brian Dudeicus saw when they saw him
at Utah State.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, but you would point out middle of the year
it looked like, oh, I don't know, I don't know.
Is it confidence? What is it that changed?

Speaker 7 (24:06):
I think it's poised and it's anticipation and it's confidence
all together. I think what happened early on in the
first couple of weeks of the season. He played really well,
but he was really focused on getting the ball out quick.
Sometimes the quicker you get it out done, the less
time you give a plate to develop. And the good
quarterbacks in the league know the difference, and there's a
happy medium there. Yeah, we want to get it off quickly,

(24:28):
but we also got to hold it long enough to
where certain things open up. And I think that's for confidence,
that's anticipation, that's just real life reps under real life fire,
and that's what he needed. He needed, you know, to
get ten or twelve weeks under his belt of getting
hit in the face, getting up, calling the next play
and anticipating coverages and that kind of stuff. And there's

(24:49):
no substitute for playing.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm sure seeing this story out of New York where
you got a quarterback who Zach Wilson, who was the
starter last year, lost his job then was supposed to
be the backup. Aaron Rodgers gets hurt four plays in
is the starter loses his job. Now they want to
go back to him, and he's like, eyeh, do you

(25:16):
ever see anything like this?

Speaker 7 (25:17):
Vot You know, I've racked my brain the last couple
hours on that. And to answer your question, no, I
have not encountered it, but my answer might surprise you.
I kind of see it from Zach's lends, I think,
and I've said from day one, the offensive scheme has
been a mess, the personnel has been a mess, the
execution and design has been a little bit of a mess.

(25:39):
And I just couldn't ever put it all on Aaron
Rodgers being out that was going to make it all well.
And so I understand it. I see where Zach is
coming from. I think he's turned the page and I
think I'm sure his representation and himself said hey, this
isn't this isn't all my fault. Obviously he can play better,
we get that. But I think he tried to tell
them the whole time it's not all me. And now

(26:00):
guess what, we see these other quarterbacks play and they've
even gotten worse. So I think it's an indictment on
the system by him not wanting to come up back
and play. I don't know that it really tells us
a lot of character flaws with Zach. He is what
he is, and hey, he's in the process of mature
and like all of us as young kids. But I
think his issues are with the system, and I don't
think he has enough answers, and I don't think he's

(26:23):
willing to just stake his whole career on where they're
at right now as a team. They're a little bit
of a train wreck.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Help me out here. We've picked on Brandon Staley because
his defense isn't good enough and they've given up more
twenty plus yard plays damp in the NFL. But last
couple weeks the offense has been kind of stinky. I
know the weather was bad and the Patriots defense is
pretty good, but they don't score a touchdown. What's going
on with Justin herbert AND's offense?

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Yeah, I think I do think you have to credit
the Patriots. I think the Patriots three weeks in a
row now held teams to ten points are less, so
it wasn't just the Chargers. But I agree with you.
I think receivers haven't been right. You know, they lost
a receiver early in the year, the first round pick
Mike Williams from a couple of years ago. I think
Keenan has been banged up a little bit. Eckler. They

(27:12):
really haven't found a go to guy to run the ball,
so they have some issues. I don't think anybody's going
to confuse them to the two thousand rams, but I
agree with you. I think Herbert needs to be better.
I think they're still finding their way. That's an interesting
building in that with Brandon Staley as a defensive coordinator.
I know he's given as much rope as he can
to Kellen Moore, but they aren't really all on the

(27:34):
same page. You can tell that. And I don't think
their depth has done a service to Herbert either.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
No, I don't think so as well. It's Doug Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports. Trader Randy Mueller is our guest.
Randy in regards to in regards to a team like
the Dallas Cowboys, who they've been putting up great numbers
and now they got the Eagles coming up next week.
How important is this game for their confidence going to

(28:02):
the playoffs?

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Oh, I think it's very important. I think it's probably
more important to them than the Eagles, even though we
said these Eagles now are coming off of a loss.
I think Dallas has to prove themselves that they can
do it. Hey, their point differential Doug is plus one
sixty eight. That's unheard of. But yet they haven't really
beat anybody, so it's kind of like, yeah, we can talk,
but we haven't walked the walk against the good team.

(28:25):
So I do think it's important. Obviously, they're only one
game behind the Eagles. Now they beat them, they may
be in the driver's seat for the one seed, so
there's plenty of motivation. DA's never played better. I think
the cards are right for the Cowboys, and if something
happens where they don't win this one, I think then
you're going to find some confidence weighing again. And I
just think the Cowboys are better than this and they're

(28:47):
probably they're times coming and it might be this weekend.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, it very well. Maybe how are the Rams doing this?
I mean you looked at that roster, say like, how
how are they doing this?

Speaker 7 (28:58):
Well? I think anytime you've got a quarter back and
an offensive coordinator that that is a borderline genius. They
find ways to dream things up where they can keep
him upright just long enough. Hey, and they ran the
ball a little bit yesterday, which is good. I like
their chances though at six and six, I think they
are likely to find a way into the playoffs. But
you're right, they've they've been pretty pretty good with not

(29:22):
losing multiple players at one position. We all knew they
were thinned, they've been finn the last couple of years,
but they've been able to keep I think, uh people
upright at key positions and get you know, Cup back,
Nikola is back, they're they're they're rolling pretty good. So
I think you got a credit to coach, you got
a credit the system, and obviously you got a credit
Mat Stafford.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Randy Muelers, our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. I look at I look at
the upcoming NFL draft, and it's interesting, right, Kill Williams
not playing the Bowl game, all signs he's got to
come out. Then there's Drake May. If you positioning yourself,
say you're the Bears, you have Justin Fields, you have

(30:05):
one more year on the rookie deal, and you have
potentially the number one overall pick and your own pick
in the in the draft. How do you balance out
what you do with the guy you have versus going
to And remember the the GM and the coach did
not draft Justin Fields, right, they don't have ownership of it.
What how do you balance out that you could go
get a quarterback or you could kind of rebuild an

(30:28):
entire roster around the quarterback you have with those two picks.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
I think for me, the decision has probably been made,
not that we'll ever know it till the end of
the day, but I don't see any way that Justin
Fields Doug isn't auditioning for somebody else these last five
or six weeks. If they end up with the first pick,
and if they have a chance to pick Kayleb Williams,
I don't think they can afford not to you. Even
if Justin plays lights out this next month, I don't

(30:55):
think he can eventually bring to the table what they
think Caleb Williams can, and from what I've seen with Caleb,
think he can as well. So I think it's it's
Justin's getting a quick addition to maybe be moved in
the offseason. I don't know how they could pass on
a quarterback and use your theory of they can use
everything they get to replenish the rest of the team.

(31:17):
Maybe they have that second pick and that being their
own pick, maybe they use that to backup and replenish
the kitchen. But I don't think they can afford to
pass on a quarterback. And like you said, these guys
did not draft Justin Fields, and I'm actually a Justin Fields.
I like him and I think they'll be a little
bit of a market for him. So I think they
might get the best of both worlds by being able
to pick a quarterback and then move him and maybe

(31:40):
another pick later for other tools in the toolbox.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Awesome stuff, Randy, Thanks so much. Joins Randy Mueller, executive
a CEO of Mulea football dot Com and the director
of Player pro Personnel for the Seattle Sea Dragons, the
former Executive of the Year in the NFL. Randy, you're
the best. Appreciates join us.

Speaker 7 (31:56):
Thanks Doug.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Coming up on The Doug Gottlieb Show Live in the
ti IRAQ Studios. Coming up next, Oh, is it a
big deal that the College Football Playoff Committee left Florida
State out of the college football Playoffs? I'll tell you next.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show in Fox Sports Radio. Progressors
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both the more progressive dot com. So Chiefs lost last
night to the Packers, and I think a lot of
the discussion, rightfully so, has been over Jordan Love who

(32:39):
look good, look bad, and does look good recently. And
now the Packers are very much in the playoff hunt
more than anything. You had Aaron Rodgers' money coming off
the books. You got David Bactieri's money likely coming off
the books. You have a chance to go spend, and
he's only making eight million dollars next year. If he's
good enough, they can continue to rebuild this roster. The

(33:00):
Chiefs lose again. Here's Andy Reid and the chief self
destruction in this league.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
There's too much parody and you come on, they're well coached,
they got good players. You come out and self destruct
like that as certain areas and then you have a problem.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Now. There was several questionable calls, no calls, including some
pis even though the hail Mary, which we know they
almost never call a penalty, but pretty blatant shove of
Travis Kelcey. That one I think, but there's some other
missed ones. Here's Pat Mahomes and the no call.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
It is what it is, man, I mean they obviously
the guy was probably a little early, but at the
end of the game, they're letting guys play. I'm kind
of I'm kind of about that. I really, you let
the guys play and what the guy's winning on the field.
But it's hard.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
It's hard.

Speaker 8 (33:41):
It's a hard job, man, So it's not when we're
in that situation, I can't be wanting to fly out
to try to go out there and win the game
myself and with the rest of my teammates.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I love that response because it is it's hand war whatever.
But the ball was pretty accurately thrown. Keltis is right
there and then he got two hit and shoved out
of the way. But I just I continue to watch
the Chiefs and think they just they just don't have
the dudes. I don't think it's much to my homes
as you know, you gotta have some guys that can

(34:10):
win for you, and you know you watch Heck, I
watched the Chargers Patriots, and the Patriots have nobody that
can win. And honestly, the Chargers right now without Mike Williams,
without much speed. You know you're you're basically Keenan Allen
and Austin Eckler, who are two good players but not burners.
He's trying to find a way to figure it out.

(34:35):
Let's get a little love and hate from the weekend,
shall we?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
What did you love?

Speaker 8 (34:39):
God? I love you?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
And what did you hate?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
These player Hays, Let's start with you, Dan Byra, What
did you love from the weekend?

Speaker 9 (34:52):
Doug? It was honestly bittersweet, as we've got nice there
we go a little bit sweet because I love the
PAC twelve title game on Friday night, and obviously it
being the last of it, but there seemed to be
some atmosphere. The Oregon Washington rivalry is a really really

(35:13):
good one and it was a really really good game.
And I know Georgia and Alabama played their SEC title
game and that was a close matchup. But there was
something about Friday night kicking off the weekend for how
good Oregon and Washington was. But again, bittersweet because of
the end of the PAC twelve. But I just thought
it was a great, great atmosphere and scene for the

(35:36):
for college football and USC Utah last year was kind
of the same way, but I felt this was even better.
So I loved Oregon and Washington on Friday.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay, what about you there? I was him.

Speaker 9 (35:48):
Ryan, Wow, yeah, because we look so much alike.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Thanks Doug.

Speaker 10 (35:53):
I'll make this one short and sweet. Anyone who knows
me knows I can't stand Boston. I hit everything Boston,
so watching the page scored no points and be humiliated.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Okay, Bo Benson, would you love for the weekend?

Speaker 11 (36:11):
My favorite thing from this weekend was that odd sequence
in the Colts Titans game where the Titans had a
punt blocked for a touchdown by the Colts, who then
had the two point conversion intercepted and returned for two
points on the Titan side. And then I believe on
the Titans next possession the punt was blocked as well.
So I love MESSI football, always a big fan of that.
So that was adorable.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Uh, I too love Friday Night, And I grew up
in California. We didn't have the Pac twelve title game
until recently. I just I love that. It was a
celebration of sports that night, you know, it just felt
so good. But I think I most loved, honestly, Yukon
and Kansas playing at Kansas like you have. Yukon is

(37:00):
absolutely now a modern day blue blood. They just won
a national championship. Kansas is the bluest of blue bloods
where they have the rules to the actual game at
KU because James date Smith actually coached, He's actually the
only coach of the losing record in the history of
Kansas basketball. Believe or not, it's crazy. I just I

(37:20):
love the idea that in sports now, in college sports,
you don't really lose anything by playing the best, even
Texas and Alabama. There's a lesson to be learned from there.
It's said, you don't lose that much from playing somebody,
which does go along with what you said Dan earlier
is like, well, really rewarding some of these teams that
played nobody in a non conference. But I loved Friday

(37:41):
Night and Kansas holding on to beat Yukon was something
you could foretell. But it was a spectacular game. Nonetheless,
all right, what about something you hated. Let's say you
Dan byers to be hated.

Speaker 9 (37:54):
For the I know this may be a little in
the weeds, but word leaked out. I believe it was
starting on Friday, and then was made more prevalent over
the weekend that the golf ball is about to be
rolled back, that the USGA and RNA are going to
announce in the next coming days or next coming weeks,
according to Golf Digest, that they are going to change

(38:15):
the rules on what is a legal golf ball, and
it's for all levels. It is all the way up
from to Rory McElroy, John Romscottie Scheffler, Tiger Woods, all
the way down to you and me, Doug, that there
will be a rollback of the golf ball, and it
is just I know there are a lot of arguments
for against it, whatever, I just hate it because listen,

(38:37):
I don't play with a wooden bad if I want
to go play baseball with my buddies, but you do
in the big leagues. You know, I'm all for bifurcation
allowing the pros to play under a special golf football,
which by the way, they played different golf balls than
we do. Anyway, as the general public, the last thing
that I would want is any player to lose, you know,

(38:57):
ten yards off their drive or hit their irons ten
yards last because of this stupid rule. But that's what
we're gonna likely have to face in the next four
to six years.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Okay, what about you there, Ryan, what do you hate
from the weekend?

Speaker 10 (39:13):
I hate the fact that there was a double technical
called on Lebron and coach Udoka. I love drama. I
want all the smoke and the fact that the referee
got all weirded out and like, oh, people were talking
this way. They weren't even yelling let's let it go.
What's the big deal? I want drama. Drama equals ratings.
Why call it double technical? That really annoyed me. I

(39:35):
hated that.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Bo Benson.

Speaker 11 (39:40):
Yeah, much like you guys loved watching the game on
Friday in the PAC twelve championship. I also loved watching
the game, but I hated watching the seconds tick off
and realizing that that was the end of the PAC twelve.
PAC twelve after Dark has been a lot of fun
for the last few years. I will never forget the
Arizona fan running on the field dress as a ref
before beginning to streak down the field. So I just

(40:01):
I hate that we're losing the Pac twelve and I
kind of hate the future of college football here.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Okay, I mean I didn't really enjoy watching oaklea mistake
at pummel by Texas, but I knew Texas was just
a lot more talented. I hated the fact that so
many I hated the made up conspiracy theories. I've even
seen one today where Kirk Kirbstreet clearly knew because the

(40:29):
helmets were aligned behind him of the final four teams, right, Like,
we have all these conspiracy theories, Like do you understand
how damaging it would be to a committee if it
turns out that these conspiracies were true? Like what are
we actually doing here? You know ESPN has been in

(40:51):
bed with every one of these conferences that they have
no say and who plays and who doesn't. And you
know you'll get people, I mean, like my green ticket.
This is a travesty and these people shouldn't have been selected,
like so greeney And let me just anyone ask you,
do you think Florida State currently constructed is better than Texas, Alabama, Georgia,

(41:14):
Ohio State or Oregon. Everyone else who knows football would
disagree with you. The only argument is whether or not
being undefeated means you belong in that That's the only
real argument. No one believes that that right now, as
they're currently constructed, they're better than those other teams. So
we're making arguments about things that aren't really part of

(41:35):
the discussion. And the committee told us months ago we
want the four best teams. And so if you want to,
if you want to have an argument with the selection,
you have to make it based upon that premise. If
you legitimately think Florida State with backup quarterbacks is better
than you know, Alabama, Texas and for that part, Georgia

(41:59):
or Ohio State and Oregon make that argument, you're not
because you know the argument doesn't make sense. So I understand.
I just I hate the conspiracy theories which are so
provably and laughably false. And that's love. And hey, Stunt
Gottlip show Fox Sports. Ready you got me mid bite.
I'm glad you're locked in. I mean all right, yeah,

(42:22):
I were like chewing my bab Okay, let's welcome in
Petros Papadeikas, who of course joins us. You can listen
to him on a five seventy our sister station in
Los Angeles played football at USC. He's covered, among other
things for Fox, the Big Twelve and no, we're trying
to we're efforting him, we're refering him. Dan, I will

(42:44):
say this, this is really interesting, Like we're all I
don't know if we're misty eyed over the PAC twelve
going away, but we all are kind of reacting to
the fact that, like, look, there's one hundred years of
conference and living in southern California, it's going to be different.
But I just I can't get over how no one

(43:05):
has outside of us, has said, hey, does anybody realize
the Rose Bull died?

Speaker 12 (43:12):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
They'll still have games in the Rose Bowl, They'll still
have games in the College Wall Playoff like this year
in the Rose Bowl. There will still be occasionally a
Big ten team and a PAC twelve team, but the
Rose Bowl will be no more. And I know we've
trended this way. They've had the net Like the most
famous national championship game, if Petros knows so well, was
SC Texas was in the Rose Bowl. So it's but

(43:36):
like just the Big ten PAC twelve, it's over never again.
So the conference is one thing and probably a bigger story,
But no one's talked about the Rose Bowl itself, the
tradition of that game going away. It's welcome in Petris Papadeko,
who joints this Fox Sports College Football analysts of course
host of PMS, The Petros and Money Show on AM

(43:59):
five seventy. Let's go back to Friday. What was your
reaction to Washington taking down Oregon again? I was surprised.

Speaker 12 (44:07):
I didn't think that Oregon would win by as much
as they were favored, but I thought that they had
the momentum to win. But Washington cut off their three
real offensive weapons and dominated the ball and became a
much more balanced team as Michael Pennix kind of got
beat up as the season went on. They became a
lot more run oriented with Dylan Johnson, and he took

(44:31):
a great role, especially running out the clock at the
end of the game. So I've been really impressed obviously
with what Kaylin Debor has built and their ability to
kind of find ways to win down the stretches this
season has gone on, and really the Pac twelve being
good and having a real product is what screwed up
the college football playoffs for everybody on the East Coast,

(44:53):
because this is what would have happened for years and
years and years if USC had been formidable or the
Pac twelve that not cannibalized itself down the stretch. Every year,
we would have been dealing with a lot more of
these scenarios than ever before, like we dealt with on Saturday.
But overall, I was just really really impressed with Washington.

(45:14):
I know, Oregon's a good team. Landing might have a
little trouble in big games, or at least that's the
narrative that's starting to be written. But what can you
say about you, dub? I mean he inherited a team
that was a lot like the USC team, not as
much of an identity and not a lot of heart,
and sort of finding their way after Chris Peterson left

(45:35):
and the Jimmy Lake debacle. And I think he's maybe
lost three games since then. It's pretty amazing coach.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah, and Michael Pennix is a tremendous quarterback who they
got over from Indiana, right, and the wide receivers are talented.
Is the defense good enough in your mind to win
this thing?

Speaker 8 (45:50):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (45:50):
I don't know. I mean they've been opportunistic, good enough
to win it all. They just shut down that Oregon offense.
They just shut down Bucky Irving, So I guess I
mean they're getting they seem to be getting better or
playing the best kind of defense when it's needed, timely defense,
so to speak. But just on paper coming off the bus,

(46:13):
maybe not. Uh, but then again, they're playing Texas. I mean,
Houston pushed Texas around and almost beat him. Uh oh,
there's been a lot of but BYU was really close
with Texas for a while. I mean, uh, Texas is
very good, and Sarkesian has done a tremendous job, better

(46:33):
than I ever thought that he could. I thought he'd
be stuck at six seven wins for the rest of
his career, and he was able to kind of push
past that hump. But I don't think Texas feels like Georgia.
Do you know what I mean? To to Washington?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Betrias Papadegas joined us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. If you were on that committee
and you had to pick four teams, who would they be? Uh?

Speaker 12 (46:58):
Well, I mean I preface it by saying this was
always stupid. I mean, to have four teams and five
power conferences has always been the dumbest thing in the
history of the world because it makes it to where
the conference championship games don't mean anything or might not

(47:18):
mean anything, and then there's always some language inserted so
the SEC doesn't get left out. Because let's be fair,
the people that built the college football Playoff and run
it are deeply connected to, if not the same people
as ESPN and the SEC. That's who it exists to help,

(47:39):
and it helped them. Here was it the right call?
Was the country going to scramble to watch Florida State
play against Michigan? Probably not. But I understand the frustration
from the people in Tallahassee, and it's amazing to me

(48:01):
that the committee went ahead and just did what they
were going to have to do because of the pressure
coming from everybody on the TV side. And that's really
what's changed our sport for better or for worse, transfer
portal money, all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Petros, I agree with you on changing the sport, the
transfer portal, whatever. I'm just asking you, do you think today, Okay,
those two teams today, Alabama and Floria's State, who do
you think is better?

Speaker 12 (48:30):
I don't know. I mean I don't know. I honestly,
to be honest with you, I don't sit there like
I watch the Mountain West. You know, I do middling,
big twelve and PAC twelve games. I don't you know.
I mean, I know about Alabama. I had. Those are like,
really the first Alabama on Florida State games. I've watched
closely all year long. I'm not on a committee. I

(48:53):
don't you know. I cover games. I call games. You
know what that's like. So you know, that's basically what
I concentrate on every Saturday. I don't really watch the
SEC closely or the ACC because we're not associated with
them through Fox and the games we call. If I
was a studio guy, which I'm not really, it might
be a little bit different. But I mean, so I'm

(49:16):
not trying to cop out. I don't really. I mean,
I think a lot of what we talk about with
the SEC is built by the SEC to make the
SEC appear a certain kind of way. Most glaring of
these things is the non conference record, which I guess
just doesn't matter anymore at all, and the Cupcake Week

(49:36):
in November. You know, when everybody else is fighting and
grinding and bleeding to beat a team that you should
handle because it's in conference in November and you're just
about to play your rival the next week. The SEC
plays Chattanooga or the Citadel and that's that's been the
way it's done. Nobody's ever and nobody's ever punished them

(49:56):
for it.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
But by the way, but Florida State did the same thing,
Yeah they do. They played North Alabama, right.

Speaker 12 (50:01):
Yeah, there were a couple of teams and that's when
the quarterback and that's when the quarterback got hurt.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
That's the crazy part about it.

Speaker 12 (50:07):
You know, I don't look, I don't sit here and
cry for Florida State that much. I mean was this
was a blow to the ACC And if the PAC
twelve over the years, with all the SEC love that
they've gotten, it presented a team like Florida State where
the quarterback got hurt or something like that, they'd find
a reason to leave them out. I'm not necessarily saying

(50:27):
what the committee did was wrong. I'm just saying none
of it ever mattered in the first place because it's
all built to fix and help the SEC. It's always
been that way, and they've come through by winning the
games and having the most draft picks and being the
best at recruiting and developing offensive and defensive line everything else.
We talk about. All these spectacular guys this or that.

(50:49):
If you don't have that, you're not going to win
a championship, and I think Florida State did a good
job doing that. You know, they're just not in the
right conference, I guess, and they didn't have the right
schedule and then the quarterback got hurt. But what I'm
trying to say is the SEC does all these things.
No one's ever punished them for it. They've been on
top because of it. It all kind of works in

(51:09):
their favor, and this is just another example of that,
right or wrong, this is how it's built. The twelve
team playoff will make it easier, but it also is
going to say, hey, Alabama and Georgia are going to
be in there every year and you're gonna have to
get by them to win the titles. So it'll be
interesting going forward. This year kind of a dud the
way it all played out, at least it feels like

(51:30):
it right now.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Pictures Papadigas joining US College Football analyst for Fox Sports.
Of course the PMS show on AMS to five seventy
in La. Caleb Williams has kind of had a weird
year right where I think, Yeah, I mean there was
some like what people haven't discussed nationally. I know, you know,
because I mean this, you know more football than just

(51:53):
about anybody I've ever listened to. And you know, he
did some hero ball stuff even in the window against Arizona,
and then it didn't bite him, and then it came
back to bite him a little bit later on the year. Obviously,
the defense has been a disaster there. But what are
your thoughts on Caleb Williams and this year and what
it means moving forward likely to the NFL.

Speaker 12 (52:13):
Well, you know, there's a few things about coaching that
I think you understand a lot better than a lot
of people. Number one is, even though Deon Sanders screwed
over that Sean Lewis guy who's now the San Diego
State head coach, and it should be a red flag
to anybody who wants to go coach at Colorado, even
though that happened, some coach will say, no, no, no,

(52:34):
I can. I'll be the guy to figure it out
with coach Prime and make this offense work. Like some
coach will have that hubris and tell himself that right.
And it's a little bit of the same with Caleb Williams.
You know, he's shown a few things this year that
make you feel like, wow, you know, maybe he's not
the most mature team leader that you know that Herbstreet
tries to tell me he is, you know, right in

(52:56):
the middle of the first quarter of every game, like
he's just reading a printed out sheet from the sid
you know, that kind of thing. He did some things
that were not savory, there's no doubt about it. And
the brand of football us he played just got uglier
and uglier as the season went on. But there will
the upside is so much to where coaches will say,

(53:17):
I will be the one to get through to this guy.
I will be the guy that will get the best
and the most out of this player. Now, how finnicky
is he? You know, I'm not really sure, but I
think a lot of stuff happened behind the scenes that
the team sort of had to wear that was really
about Caleb Williams. Just as far as the on field stuff.

(53:40):
I know this from you know, the way we do games.
It's like you see teams as the year goes on,
whether they're good or bad or somewhere in between. You know,
they get better as the year goes on. Young people
start to play more, they figure out their identity, the
coaches start to figure out what everybody wants to run,
and teams become kind of complete as the season goes on,

(54:01):
and the well coached teams get better and better as
the season goes on, sure, and they threaten people, you know,
us see what the opposite direction, you know, as the
season went on, they played less defense the season went on.
They tackled worse. As the season went on, they became
more and more one dimensional with Kayleb Williams tapping the
ball and running around like it was a video game.
And I think that's more of an indictment on the

(54:24):
program as a whole and the way Lincoln Riley's been
running it than it was against the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Petra's awesome stuff as always. Man can wait to hear
your show on a five seventy. Thanks so much for
joining you the mine really appreciate it, Yes, sir, thank you.
Doug all right, that's the one and only Petro's Papadakis
FORMERCI football player. By the way, in college football analysts
for Fox Sports, is Zach Wilson suffering from a New
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