June 30, 2017 • 40 mins
Doug talks about the Pacers situation with Paul George and getting caught in a game of "chicken" with the Celtics. He explains why this season of free agency reminds him of the NFL draft. Plus he talks to NBA Champion Stephen Jackson about playing in the BIG 3, Chris Paul on the Rockets, and gets his thoughts on Blake Griffin.
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This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
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Fox Sports Radio Live and direct from the Land of
Milk and Honey all week long. A matter of fact,
for the rest of this month and into next month,
I'll be broadcasting from various sites in Israel. If you're
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just joining us, welcome in. We are well like listen.
If if you were here, uh, and the last hour
of the show you would, it would be free agency.
But since you're not, since I'm here, you're there. Since
that's the way we are in the Steve Myy, Steve
Summer's voice, you'll just have to wait a couple of
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hours to NBA free agency Bonanza. And the most interesting
team is the Boston Celtics. Right The Nicks are going
to try and find a new president a new general manager.
The Lakers got a Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram and
are gonna try and build around those two pieces and
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maybe this year, definitely next year go after some high
price free agents to rebuild their franchise. The Clippers are
in a state of flux, not because they're gonna be terrible,
but the idea that they could compete for the Western
Conference title by after trading Chris Paul seems far fetched.
The Chicago Bulls have hit reboot. So of all the
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major and I mentioned that the Nets, who continue to
hand away all of their picks to the Boston Celtics,
all the major teams in major cities, none of them
appeared to be anywhere near competitive for an NBA title.
We obviously have the Warriors. We'll find out about Andrea
Goodal and whether or not he stays and if Kevin
Durant takes a little less money, so a little less
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off the top, a little a little more off the top,
excuse me, so that uh Andrea Goodla can make a
little bit more money. We'll see how how Golden State,
how that all pans out. We'll see what happens with Cleveland,
as they are still yet to hire a president of
basketball operations, and Leron James has to find another cast
of characters, most notably a guy. They'll go after Paul
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George and possibly possibly Carmeno Anthony. But to me, the
most interesting team, and really to you, it's the same
thing as the Boston Celtics. Twofold one is Cordon Hayward
gonna go there. One of the more overrated or overstated
things about the NBA is that Gordon Hayward can only
stay in Utah in order to get the Supermax. It's
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actually not true. Hayward can sign a three year deal.
This per Zac Low from ESPN dot Com can sign
a three year deal at max money and still go
play for the Boston Celtics. At the end of that
three year deal have ten years of service time, which
means he'll have the ability to get a Supermax contract
and the salary cap shouldn't be will be higher at
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that point. When it's higher, at that point, he'll actually
make more money over the lifetime of that deal as
opposed to one and he could sign now. Is there's
a certain betting on yourself. But the fact is that
when you're making thirty million dollars for three years there,
there really aren't debilitating, career ending injuries anymore. I mean,
even Sean Livingston, who never amounted to nearly what Gordon
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Hayward has been during his career. Sean Livingston's leg nearly
had to be amputated. He still had a long and
successful career. On some levels, the idea that there's a
career debilitating injury. It just seems very very far fetched.
If you're not gonna go now when you're gonna go,
If you're not gonna go to the Celtics, where are
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you gonna go? The Boston Celtics are coached by the
guy who came into his home and recruited him and
signed him at Butler. They're a team that's desperately need
of his style of player, Like, this is the opposite
of Chris Paul. Like Chris Paul is not at all
what anybody thought that Houston Rockets would need. Like, oh, okay,
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I like Chris Paul, I like James Harden. I like
their offense. I like that he plays defense as opposed
to Harden, who plays none. Like I like all of that,
But how do they actually play together? I don't know
the same can be said. The opposite could be said
for Gordon Hayward and the Boston Celtics. Right, whether he
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plays two, three or four, there's a place for him.
Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, there's your backcourt, and he and
Jay Crowder, or he and Jalen Brown or he and
you know, like pick what the what what you wanna do.
He absolutely fits and they had the best record of
anybody in the East. Doesn't mean they were the best
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team in the East, but I do think it speaks
to how hard they play, the culture that they've established,
and frankly the coach that they played for. And while
I think Utah has a fantag I think Quinn Steiner
is an excellent coach. They're likely to lose George hill
Press reboot at point guard, and there's not the cap
flexibility to do what they want to do. Plus it's
hard to get free aid in Utah. I don't I
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feel like this is a four gone conclusion, which then
brings us to Paul George and the Boston Celtics and
the game of chicken that's gonna ensue. The Celtics have
the most resources to make a trade, yet they don't
want to trade anything that really The Pacers absolutely positively want,
like one of their top picks next year. Remember they'd
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only own their pick, but they own the Lakers sixers
pick as well as their own pick. Next season. The
Nets are gonna be terrible. That's gonna be a top
five picks. Same can possibly be said for the Lakers
and Sixers pick, and then of course they have their
own pick. That's three first round draft picks next year.
Which will they part with? My guests would be that
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right now they don't want to part with the two
earliest first round traft picks and only the last first
round draft pick and maybe a player. But see what
the Celtics have going for them in trading with um,
in trading with the you with the Indiana Pacers, is
with every day that passes that we get closer to
training camp, it's also getting closer to D Day when
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Paul George leaves for greener Pastors at the end of
the season. So if you're gonna coach him, go out
and coach him as he leaves town. Ah. But it's
a game of chicken because with every game that he plays,
where every time he puts on a uniform and goes
to practice, his value diminishes just so, just so, And
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the Celtics know. Then, on the other hand, the Celtics
also know that this is likely the only season they
would have Paul George. And if you're only gonna have
Paul George for one season, even if that roster gives
you a chance to be more competitive. Heck, maybe even
take a couple of games off the Cleveland Cavaliers. That's
good enough, But it's not good enough to trade for
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a guy who're only gonna have in town for nine
months and just by the time he learns the system,
he's gone from the system. It's a game of chicken.
And if anybody thinks that that the Celtics aren't offering
up a good enough deal, just remember if somebody had,
he would have been traded already. But he hasn't a lass.
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That means that that can only mean one possible thing.
That the Pacers are holding on and holding out hope
that they're gonna pick up the phone and say, all right, fine,
but we want Avery Bradley. Meanwhile, the Celtics are sitting
there hoping, knowing that at some point desperation sits in
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and they just gotta dump it. They just gotta dump it.
Reminds me of real estate, right, reminds me of real
estate music. You've never bought a house, right, so you're
now your apartment guy, live live with parents guy, or
live with live and sin guys? Well, ramost you in
a house down't here? That is affirmative? Are you familiar
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with the term chasing the market. I'm familiar with it,
but I don't know exactly know where it pertains to
what you're talking about. Okay, in terms of a real
estate here, here's what it is. Um the best time
to list the house, It depends upon market where in
the country you live. Most people think the best time
to list the house is like February March. Right, you
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wet the appetite of people who are going to move
for work or going to get out of the city,
are going to change jobs, are going to change towns,
or want to upgrade, or want to get you want
to get a smaller house, whatever, February March. I always
thought it's April, but februaryies getting earlier. February March. Well,
what happens is oftentimes when you read that your market
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is way up and you're you're the realtor that you've
come to have sell your house, says Mr Gottlieb, I
think we can sell your house for five and fifty
thou dollars. What do you think? You start calculating in
your head that you're real order plus the other real
order costs you five four percent, six percent, depending upon
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the state in which you do it, and you start
calculating that, yes, you're gonna make money on the house,
but you could make a whole lot more money if
you ask for more, or even fifty more, or even
a hundred thousand more. After all, you just redid that kitchen.
What happens, though, is if you come on the market
in February, right, and you're on the market in March,
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and you're over priced, and you're hoping for an angel.
An angel is somebody who flies in out of nowhere
and pays asking price for your home which is way
higher than your home should in fact be worth. Right,
that's an angel. Everybody in real estate knows, hey, they had,
they had an angel. That means their house was over
priced and somebody bought it anyway. But chasing the market,
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John ron Most is this. You list your house, they
say a five fifty, and you say, all right, fine,
I'm gonna try and see if somebody takes a flyer.
I'm gonna listed for seven hundred, and it's SIT's and
it's SIT's and it sits. And then after two months,
when more and more people have come by but not
looked at your house, you drop it. Two hundred. You
drop it on a hundred thousand dollars. But by now,
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but by now, your house has been on the market
for sixty days, and there's a hundred thousand dollar price drop.
And so a buyer comes in and says, wait a second,
they just dropped the house a hundred thousand dollars. Okay,
it's been on the market for sixty days and very
limited movement. Okay. The buyer starts to think, wait a second, this,
but guy has to get out of this house. He's
got a move, he's got a move. Meanwhile, with every
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passing day, the seller does, in fact get nervous and
nervous and nervous and nervous, and they end up listing
the house for five hundred thousand dollars and selling it
for like four seventy five, even though the realtor told
them initially, hey, we can get five fifty four it.
Let's listed for five seventy five, settle on five fifty,
be done with it, split up the percentages, and you'll
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be on your way to another home. But because you
started up at seven hundred thousand dollars and then you
started chasing the market, you ended up at four seventy
five because by the time you got to the end
of summer, you then did, in fact have to move
the house, and it was hard to move a house
that's been on the market for a hundred days because
people think there's something wrong with it, even though there
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might not be anything wrong with it. Makes sense, John,
makes perfect sense. Do you want to know how it
relates to Paul George? Okay, um, here's how the Indiana
Pacers put out floaters put out feelers about possibly trading
Paul George, going way back to the middle of the
season to excuse me to um to uh trade deadline time,
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but because they so badly overvalued Paul George. And now
because everybody in the world knows that Paul George wants
to be a Laker at the end of next season.
Now they're chasing the market. Now instead getting three first
round draft picks, or or instead of getting three players
and maybe a pick, now you're looking at two players
and not high level, starting caliber players and a pick,
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but not to pick you want. They keep chasing the
market because they overvalued Paul George from the initial time
they put him on the market quasi. So it just
temporarily so at the trade deadline and then in full
forced in the off season by wanting too much, they're
gonna end up taking too little. But like, look, if
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if Gordon Hayward isn't staying, if he's not staying with
the if he's if he's staying with Utah Jazz, why
would he take any meetings? Right? Why would you take
any meetings? Be sure to catch live editions of the
Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
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And now say Jason Whitlock, who you can here on
speak for yourself on UH on Serious Sextam. Next hour
you can hear Jason Wittlock and Colin Cowherd. He was
on the Colin Cowherd earlier today. He offered up this
as the reason he believes or whose most to blame
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for Chris Paul departing the Clippers. Bad journalism is why
the Clippers are in free fall. What Doc Rivers did
bringing his son to the Los Angeles Clippers when he
had failed basically in Orlando, and then bringing his son
and then giving his son thirty semine million dollars, that
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is the foundational seed that has destroyed the Clippers. And
it's why Chris Paul is now a member of the
Houston Rockets. Nepotism And where was the media at on this? What?
Why wasn't the media beating up Doc river Verse and
the Clippers organization for the past three years about the
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irresponsibility of Doc Rivers pulling a Peewee Football League move
bringing your son to your team when his career is bombing. Now, yeah,
I don't see it that way. I mean, like, look,
I understand I talked about it Monday that that Austin Rivers.
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You know, coaching your son is a good way to
get divorced or fired or even both. Um. But we
have to have that. We have to understand the context
of why Doc Rivers got so much power. We we
do remember this, right, their previous owner made racist remarks.
There was you had superstars in the league telling the UH,
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telling the commissioner of the league that they had to
make a change. And when you replace a white owner
who's seemed to have made racist remarks, um, and you
were place them with another wide owner, you have to
put somebody in charge who is of who is black.
Doc was already a well decorated coach. He'd already turned
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around the Clippers in terms of them on the floor.
He won an NBA Championship, created not as a president
of basketball operations with the Celtics, and so with that
in mind, with that in mind, he got the job
because when he was a coach who's doing a good job.
But two, because like they had to hire somebody who
was reputable who happened to be African American, and he
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was already there. It made a lot of sense. So
that wasn't bad journalism. Additionally, as much as we're given
Doc a ton of grief over a thirty million dollar
contract for a backup point guard, we do realize that
Matthew Dellavedova makes forty million dollars, Like that's actually going rate.
What Austin Rivers makes is going rate for backup point guards.
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Like it's a complete misconception that Austin makes Austin makes
more money than he should. It just is it just is.
It looks worse because he's the coach's son, because they
didn't want it, because they didn't want to trade him.
But three years, thirty five million dollars is not a
terrible deal. For a backup point guard who we oh yeah,
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by the way, actually had a pretty good year where
they were snake Bit was small forward. Our guy Jared
Dudley got there. He was hurt, He was never right,
he was never effective. They moved on too quickly and
they could never solve that problem, and that that had
a trickle down effect on the rest of the team,
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and Doc struggled that I think losing Tom Thibodeau losing
some of his staff from that Boston Celtics championship team.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
Leaves Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. Stephen
Jackson um quick note here, So they're in Charlotte. This
Sunday game will be on TV on the games will
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be on TV on Monday on Fox Sports one. Uh
T Town Tulsa next Sunday, So you can get your
tickets at Big three dot com. Any truth to the
rumor that you were out of gas and that's why
you went from sixty points wins to fifty points wins?
Show that again. You know the new you know the
new score is wins first one fifty wins, Yeah, points right,
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Who was complaining. Somebody had to complain. Was the TV
that was complaining with the guys, like dude, this is
too long, too physical. It had to be TV. I
don't think no guys complaining. It had to be something
with Fox in the league. I guess to make the
game shorter, but the players had nothing to do with it.
What do you think of the first weekend of the league.
It was awesome, man, great competition. I hate, I hate.
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A couple of guys got hurt, but you know, the
competition was great. We were sold out. It was a
great first week and we almost sold out here in Charlotte.
So everything's going on this plan as as as as
as of right now. I thought it was really cool,
Like I was. I was even pleasantly surprised. Um like, look,
I know New York loves hoops and Brooklyn's kind of
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a cool spot and having on a Sunday, but I
mean everything from the setup of the court, the proximity
to the fans, a little bit of trash talking, physicality,
competitiveness of the games. Like, I thought, it was great.
My my biggest fear heading in was injuries. How much
of that it was just in your mind? Basketball? How
much of that is that some of these guys are
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older and they're more likely to get hurt. Well, you know, uh,
you know, I'm always been honest with you, honest when
I when I speak. A lot of guys probably wasn't
in shape. But to put a to Corey mcgetty and
Jason Williams, credit those guys work out. They've been working out.
You know, everybody know, Corey's probably in the best shape
of anybody in the league. So their injury was just
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freak accident, you know what I'm saying. And it could
be Aids, Doug. We we don't know, but those guys
were in shape. Um, you know, it's it's it's just unfortunate.
But you know, um, I know, I mean personally, I've
been working now, I don't afraid to god, I don't
get hurt. But I'm ready to go. And a lot
of guys are ready to go, man, And the last
thing we wanted was to see guys get hurt. But
as you know, with age and and and with with
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this game, with the way we play, and how intensive,
how intensive is it it is, you know, I mean,
how intensive is is somebody's gonna get hurt. But we're
wishing for the best. But like I said with Corey
to answer you a question, with Corey and Jason Williams,
those guys were in great shape. It was just some
freak accidents, all right. Yeah, I know I've played in
Corey's pick up a game before he's in. He's always
been a freak athlete and freak shape. Stephen Jackson joining us, Okay,
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so let's let's start with Chris Paul. Chris Paul and
James Harden. Uh too, tremendous players like Chris Paul is
my favorite true point guard in the league. And James
Harden had as good as season at And but here's
the thing. They built Houston around James Harden, Like that
was the whole thing that changed the team was they
got the right pieces in place so he could have freedom.
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Doesn't Chris Paul and Pinge on that freedom a little bit? Yeah?
But you know what, You're exactly right. I mean, you
can't deny that, but it's somewhat If you want to win,
you have to take a step back and let great
players be great, and you'd be great in your own right. Um.
I think that's the names Hard is gonna have to
find that. He's gonna have to find it that fine
line of of being aggressive and still being a guy
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who needs the ball, but also let Chris Paul be
more of the leader, let him run the team, and
you and you and you be the best player on
the team. He has to figure that out. One thing
about Chris Paul, like you said, he's an old school
point guard. He wants to lead, he wants to run
the team. And I think that's what James needs. And
I think I think it's gonna be really suspensiful for
both of them. Well, I mean, you say, you say
you like it, Um, okay, if you were Gordon Hayward,
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your college coach is the coach of the Celtics. Now.
The only possible downside to that is if things when
bad guys could be like, oh you know your your
coaches boy, right, that that could be that that's the
only but your college coach is the coach. There's the
Celtics like, look, he's a white dude. That's a place
where white dudes have gone to have success. So have
they the same thing in Utah. They need his style
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of play, they need his position, and he can sign
a three year deal and make the same he's making
the first three years and then get a get a
max contract afterwards. Doesn't feel like a foregone conclusion. He
goes to Boston. If I was going, I will go
to Boston to be on my coach. Hey, don't worry
about what people say. Okay, So then what do you
what happens with Paul George? Your best guess where Paul
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George plays next year? Well, Boston, Boston can get Paul,
and they got It's a possible to Boston get Paul
and and Guardon Haywood. It's a possibility that Houston can
get Paul George and Carmelo. I don't know how none
of this stuff's gonna play out, but I know wherever
Paul George goes, that's gonna be a scene that's gonna
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be able to fight for a championship. If you're Blake Griffin,
where do you want to play? If I was Blake Griffin,
Now hour go to the Wizard and get a heart
and some balls and some new knees. First, then I
worry about what team I'm going to. Stephen Jackson, always
shy with his opinion. What about the Spurs? Team you
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play with? Team you know, well they didn't get Chris Paul.
What did they go to John T. Murray? I mean
because I just we we talked about age. When Tony
Parker blows out the the the quad, tendon, the and
and look he had showed signs of age. Man who obviously,
um though he had some spurts, is a little bit
over the hill. Like if you're the Spurs, what do
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you do? You know what? First of all, you gotta
understand that Tony and nobody has been done to or
three years ago. I don't know, Pop, you gotta let
it go. I know you want to hold on to
them and let them get all the credit, but you
gotta let it go. Pop, let it go. Um They
Kauai definitely needs a big star. I hope, I hope
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they're fighting for a big start to coming there with
his garden air Apaul Gearge anybody. They need another big
star there. Chris Paul would have been great for them
because he would have made the markets audre better. He's
the only big man in the league that won't go left,
that will run over people to get right. So if
Chris Paul got there, that would take him out that
equation to running over with people, and he can get
because Chris Paul is the best best at picking pop.
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Blake couldn't shoot, but he got so many open shots
from Chris Paul picking pop. He had to develop a
jumple that would have been grateful the marks for Chris
Paul in San Antonio, he's not there. I don't know
what moves they can make, but I hope they can
intention to try to get a big name player because
without that they don't have a chance to get Golden State. Alright,
Minnesota has Rubio at point guard. They've tried to move
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him but have been unable to do so. But they
have Andrew Wiggins, they got Karl Anthony Towns, and now
they go out and get Jimmy Butler. Feel feels to
me Stephen Jackson joining us from the Big Three. If
you want tickets for this weekend's Big Three, go to
be the Big Three dot Com there in Charlotte this weekend,
Tulsa next weekend. We're on in both towns. Um it
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feels to me like this is a better set up
for um for for all parties, right, Like like you
have a coaching staff that came in last year and
their demanding defense. He got young guys. They bringing Jimmy Butler,
and he can kind of work the room, in the
locker room, the coaching staff will will will give him
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the respect that he desires. And yet he's not actually
the most talented offensive player, which is a better role
for Jimmy Butler than being the go to guy. I
really like the trade that they made, but but I
but I also value your wisdom. What do you think
of the Chicago Minnesota trade. I love it. I love
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uh TIBs knows Jimmy the best. They had a great relationship.
I think Jimmy is a great team player, so he's
gonna shine even more with better player because they know
how to play a game. And he's going to be
more of a threat out there because he's one of
those guys. He's always been good at facing you know.
He he never he always wants to shy away from
his my team talks. He wants to be a good
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teammate on a good team. And I think with these
young guys, with with Towns and Wiggins, this team is
gonna be Specially if you look at the last two years,
there's only three three teams that really be going to
stay the game or run for their money every time
they played them. Minnesota was one of those teams. They
were young enough to keep up with him and and score.
When you had a guy like Demmy Butler, they're gonna
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be dangerous. And I I love Seals. I think it
was one of the best coaches in the league. So
I see that working well for from Minnesota and not
too well for Chicago. I would have kept Umm. Glad
you're healthy. Can't wait to see you this weekend in Charlotte,
one of your one of your many homes uh during
your illustrious career in the NBA. More than anything, love
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having you all on your strong opinion Stephen Jackson's The
Big Three dot com Charlotte this weekend, UH, Tulsaton next
weekend pick up tickets. It's just it's an awesome way
to go watch them three on three with some guys
that you know and respect and put the ball in
the bucket. Jacks, thanks so much for joining us, man
man any time, dog. I was good talking to you, bro.
All right, Stephen Jackson joining us Fox Sports Radio has
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of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and
within the I heart radio app. The funny thing is
that as much as this year is great, isn't this
year guys just just like the NFL Draft. I mean
I I actually we had Jamar Taylor on yesterday from
the Cleveland Browns and we didn't get into this. But look,
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I think the Browns are smart and that they didn't
waste a draft pick on a rookie quarterback. Next year,
you have Zach Rose and U c. L A. You
have Sam Donald usc and you have the kid at
Wyoming as well, and you've got three potential top ten
quarterbacks in the draft. Next year is the year to
have first round draft picks and take a quarterback in
that draft. The smart teams, even the ones that needed
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a quarterback, got a vet to kind of hold the
thing together because they know there's franchise quarterbacks coming up
next year. That's what's happening in free agency next year, right,
I mean, like, to less extent, Dwayne Wade and we'll
see if Carmelo Anthony, but Russell Westbrook potentially is a
free agent, Lebron James potentially as a free agent, Chris
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Paul should be is a free agent. Like you go through,
there is a litany of players that are potential free
agents next year. Next year is the year now. Look.
Some of it is the fact that when you have
a salary cap there's a floor as well. You have
to spend some money, and you know, like, look, there
are guys you just have to get a guy. But
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isn't an interesting on how um these contracts will get done,
which will allow some guys that shouldn't be below the
max to make We mentioned Dela Delva Dova. There's all
kind of backups making huge money. And if you're running
one of these teams and you're kind of a middling team,
why don't you forget about dumping games, dump salary and
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prepare yourself to try and when you get in a lottery.
But two more importantly, be flexible to get a free
agent next year because they can't all go to one team.
This year's NBA free agency while good and impactful, I
mean Gordon Aywards an impactful player, Chris Paul is an
impactful player, Blake Griffin is an impactful player. Karmlor Anthony
if he gets cutter traded impactful player, Paul George, same thing.
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But none of them are the top five players in
the NBA, and there's not the volume of players they'll
be next year. Next year's free agency class is just
like next year's college football class or the NFL draft class,
absolutely positively loaded, and teams that keep sight of that
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are teams that that that puts themselves in position for
long term success. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
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The Great George Carl joins us in The Doug gottlip
Show Fox Sports Radio Coach. Before we get into your
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thoughts on the NBA free agency and what's to come,
the most important question, how's your health? Uh? Dog? I
want you to know I'm I'm probably as healthy as
healthy as I've been in fifteen years. I mean my
my I had knee replacement right after the Sacramento fell apart,
and I now exercise every day. I don't have much
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to do except my yoga or my workouts, and play
golf and take vacations. I was out. I was on
Molly with Nellie for about seven eight days and just
enjoying catching up with people that I probably have ignored
too many times in my life. You mentioned spending time
with Nellie. You know, Nellie was the guy who kind
of brought small ball to the NBA, right like this
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is this is a different sort of small ball than
he played. But there's a there's a lot of Don
Nelson as to what's taking over what's taking over the league.
Now that the Worriors have won their second championship in
three years, I'm sure that validates all the things he did.
But what are your thoughts on kind of the state
of the league in the Warriors being so dominant, whether
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or not you think that's good for the league? Uh,
you know, my my general feeling, you know, from now
being a coach it's been in the league for a
long time, to being a fan observing the league. It
bothers me a little bit. I'm a little nervous about it,
a little bit more nervous than you know, the space
between Golden State. When they go through the playoffs and
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win sixteen games and lonely lose one, that's that's amazing
to me. I mean, I mean, as a coach, winning
a playoff game is so hard to do and they
did it, you know, kind of co un casual I
mean they were good. They were very good, and you
know they you know, a year ago at this time
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they probably had the best roster in the NBA and
they and they added one of the best top three
players in the NBA. And I think we now have
a separation. There's no question. The separation is what we're
reacting to right now in free agency. How are you
going to build the teams? You know, everybody now wants
the superstar teams and that's the only way you can
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be good. I personally think that's probably an overreaction too,
because about twenty four the teams in the league can't
can't do the Superstar system. There's only about tend teams
and they they can do the Superstar system. If if,
if the Pacers can emost you mean it. The Cavaliers
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can trade for Paul George, but they have to give
up Kevin Love in order to get Paul George three
team deal. Whatever. Does that put the Cavaliers on the
level of the Warriors? In your opinion, it puts them
in their athletic They now then can be athletic and
they can play the game athletically maybe and be successful.
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I personally still think Golden State has better, better athletes
and better better players. I think what Golden State it
is done is they put together a roster of balanced
players that play both ends of the court, kind of
play selfless basketball and position this basketball at the same time.
But they're very good defensively, they're very good passing the basketball.
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They sacrifice for one another. They have a tremendous roster
and that roster WI will be interesting how it will
be hit with free agency, because I think, you know,
torpedo torpedoing Golden States roster is probably the best way
to catch him. Yeah, well, that's what people are saying,
that that that somebody has to somebody's gotta buite the
bullet and offer Andre Goodala too much money, you know,
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few money, so he can't turn it down, right, and
that will that will begin the chipping away of this roster.
You know, Agudaala is so important because essentially at times
offensively he'll play center for them, like he did in
Game five when he scored scored twenty points. But I mean,
what if you're I mean, does does does Andre Goodala?
Legitimately is he worth that money? I mean, he's still
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kind of a seven point of game guy. He last
time he was the best player on a team was
ten years ago with the Sixers that were a team. Like,
is a team really going to torpedo the Warriors by
overpaying a guy even though he probably is not gonna
help win that many more games. I think there's a
possibility of it. But again, what you what you have
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is you have teams. You're trying to figure out how
to win games and how to spend the money to
win games. And Golden States is trying to figure out
how to win a championship with a great roster. And
it's a it's a different it's it's a different beast,
it's a different challenge. And I think Golden State right
now has you know, has a window. I mean some
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people I've talked to, and then Manelli and I talked,
He thought it was three to five years that they're
probably going to be the best team in basketball. I mean,
I mean, family, we don't want to say that, but
that's probably if you analyze it, that's where you're at.
Because you know their their salary cap structure isn't in trouble.
They haven't even they haven't even delved into paying a big,
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big number on the tax yet, and I think their
owner wants to do that. If they have to go
out and you know, spend twenty million or thirty million
on tacks, they can probably do that. George carl Jonas
on the Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
let me ask you about Gordon Hayward. He can stay
in Utah, and I think Quinn has done a really
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really good job Utah. By the way, coach just traded
for Ricky Rubio, so it appears that George Hill is
not gonna return. Ricky Rubio be his point guard. Now
you're you're Gordon Hayward. Don't all the signs say to
go to play for Boston. I mean, like, look, he
can sign a three year deal, and after that three
year deal, he can get the super Max because he's
got ten years in the league. It's his college coach,
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it's a really good team. They play the way he'd
want to play. Like kind of all this stuff fits,
wouldn't it be? I don't know. I just I feel
like there's just all these signs point to him going there.
And one of your thoughts, well, personally, my thoughts are
I wish Utah would stay together because I think it's
a fun team, and I think they're trying to build
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of a very intelligent team around Salt Lake City and
the Utah Jazz and a small market, and the way
they're building, I think they have a chance maybe to
become a championship caliber basketball team. Uh, because you know,
Gordon Haywood is a top I think top ten fifteen
player in basketball, and they got to figure out the
other pieces that goes along. But in the same sense,
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I think they know that they're not going to be
able to maybe keep all the players in free agency,
so you know, then picking up Rubio is a good play.
It's a great play. And and then trying to continue
to build the process and keep Gordon Haywood is I mean,
I know, I know it's going to be a very
nervous few days here for the Utah Jazz because I
I hear around the league that Miami is the team
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where Gordon Haywood is leaning. Going what about Miami? Obviously
they have uh they have Hassan Whiteside, now, they have
all that camp space. What how competitive would they be
atop the East if they were to added Gordon Hayward.
I loved their team last year. The second half of
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the season Miami, he overachieved and played at the level
of high, high level of basketball the people probably didn't
even know about because they missed the playoffs. But the
last two months Miami he was good and they were legit,
and they had a hell of the records. And so
I think that would be the beginning of the new
new pat Riley Eric Spoelstra, Uh, you know, a new chapter,
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because I think that would bring them back on and
get away from the day and Dwyane Wade and and
Lebron Saga. And though you know pat Riley wants to
be on top of the mountain, he doesn't like anything
except championships. He's one of the Miami is one of
those organizations that even though they had a great year
on paper last year, they want to win big. They
want to win big in the playoffs, and they want
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to win championships. George Carl John Usen, Doug out, Lip Show, Um,
Blake Griffin Um left behind with the with the l
A Clippers. Where does he fit best with That's a
good question because you know his injuries and and just
what happened with clipper Land. There seems to be like
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a cloud over the Clipper organization and the Clipper and
players a little bit. And you know, Blake is I
think a fantastic player, and but he's not been a
player that really delivers playoffs success and and so is
he capable of doing that? I personally think he is
the one player that maybe a team like s Phoenix,
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or maybe a team like Denver or or Oklahoma City
could maybe pluck away from uh pluck away from the
Clippers if they don't go to their fifth years. Like
the rumor now and is out there that the Clippers
don't want to give him five years. They're a little
bit afraid of his injuries, and their offers probably gonna
be a four year deal, which would probably push him
opened into the open market that someone might be able
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to steal him. How hard is it going to be
from Mike D'Antoni. Look, and I know he's an excellent
offensive coach, but you have two guys that dominate the
basketball and like, look, in the regular season, you can
work it out, you can split up some time, but
in big games, I mean to to to to take
a step with a roster that now won't have Lou
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Williams coming off the bench. They won't have Patrick Beverley,
who they want to move. Obviously, Chris Paul is an upgrade,
but that does that actually make you better considering both
players are are at their best when they have the
ball in their hands, coming off those ball screens. Um,
I think both of them want to win, and I
think both of them and I know Chris Paul's in
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the stage of his career, but I think he'll do
some adapting to the scenarios that you know. The thing is,
did we expect what James Harden did this year? I didn't.
I mean, I think Mike d Antoni did a fantastic
job with that team, but also just getting getting them
on the right page and playing, you know, the style
that they want to play. I think Chris Paul is
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the guy is going to have to do some adapting
and I think in the end, Mike the Antonio will
figure out some type of formula. Will it be good
enough to catch Golden State? You know, I just don't.
I think people under rate two things in Golden State.
They are a good it's a great defensive team, and
they are a total committed past the ball to the
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open man basketball team. Houston has the most has has
a little bit of problems in both areas. I don't
think they're a great defensive team, and I still think
at times the ball is a little sticky down in Houston,
even though they moved the ball a lot better than
they have in the past. Great stuff. The book is
furious George by forty years surviving NBA Diva's clueless GMS
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and poor shot selection. Georgia really appreciate you join us
and most importantly happy to hear that you're as healthy
as you've been in years. Keep it up and we'll
talk to you soon. Okay, good saying you man, good
talking to you. Thank you
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
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just joining us, welcome in. We are well like listen.
If if you were here, uh, and the last hour
of the show you would, it would be free agency.
But since you're not, since I'm here, you're there. Since
that's the way we are in the Steve Myy, Steve
Summer's voice, you'll just have to wait a couple of
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hours to NBA free agency Bonanza. And the most interesting
team is the Boston Celtics. Right The Nicks are going
to try and find a new president a new general manager.
The Lakers got a Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram and
are gonna try and build around those two pieces and
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maybe this year, definitely next year go after some high
price free agents to rebuild their franchise. The Clippers are
in a state of flux, not because they're gonna be terrible,
but the idea that they could compete for the Western
Conference title by after trading Chris Paul seems far fetched.
The Chicago Bulls have hit reboot. So of all the
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major and I mentioned that the Nets, who continue to
hand away all of their picks to the Boston Celtics,
all the major teams in major cities, none of them
appeared to be anywhere near competitive for an NBA title.
We obviously have the Warriors. We'll find out about Andrea
Goodal and whether or not he stays and if Kevin
Durant takes a little less money, so a little less
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off the top, a little a little more off the top,
excuse me, so that uh Andrea Goodla can make a
little bit more money. We'll see how how Golden State,
how that all pans out. We'll see what happens with Cleveland,
as they are still yet to hire a president of
basketball operations, and Leron James has to find another cast
of characters, most notably a guy. They'll go after Paul
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George and possibly possibly Carmeno Anthony. But to me, the
most interesting team, and really to you, it's the same
thing as the Boston Celtics. Twofold one is Cordon Hayward
gonna go there. One of the more overrated or overstated
things about the NBA is that Gordon Hayward can only
stay in Utah in order to get the Supermax. It's
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actually not true. Hayward can sign a three year deal.
This per Zac Low from ESPN dot Com can sign
a three year deal at max money and still go
play for the Boston Celtics. At the end of that
three year deal have ten years of service time, which
means he'll have the ability to get a Supermax contract
and the salary cap shouldn't be will be higher at
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that point. When it's higher, at that point, he'll actually
make more money over the lifetime of that deal as
opposed to one and he could sign now. Is there's
a certain betting on yourself. But the fact is that
when you're making thirty million dollars for three years there,
there really aren't debilitating, career ending injuries anymore. I mean,
even Sean Livingston, who never amounted to nearly what Gordon
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Hayward has been during his career. Sean Livingston's leg nearly
had to be amputated. He still had a long and
successful career. On some levels, the idea that there's a
career debilitating injury. It just seems very very far fetched.
If you're not gonna go now when you're gonna go,
If you're not gonna go to the Celtics, where are
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you gonna go? The Boston Celtics are coached by the
guy who came into his home and recruited him and
signed him at Butler. They're a team that's desperately need
of his style of player, Like, this is the opposite
of Chris Paul. Like Chris Paul is not at all
what anybody thought that Houston Rockets would need. Like, oh, okay,
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I like Chris Paul, I like James Harden. I like
their offense. I like that he plays defense as opposed
to Harden, who plays none. Like I like all of that,
But how do they actually play together? I don't know
the same can be said. The opposite could be said
for Gordon Hayward and the Boston Celtics. Right, whether he
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plays two, three or four, there's a place for him.
Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, there's your backcourt, and he and
Jay Crowder, or he and Jalen Brown or he and
you know, like pick what the what what you wanna do.
He absolutely fits and they had the best record of
anybody in the East. Doesn't mean they were the best
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team in the East, but I do think it speaks
to how hard they play, the culture that they've established,
and frankly the coach that they played for. And while
I think Utah has a fantag I think Quinn Steiner
is an excellent coach. They're likely to lose George hill
Press reboot at point guard, and there's not the cap
flexibility to do what they want to do. Plus it's
hard to get free aid in Utah. I don't I
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feel like this is a four gone conclusion, which then
brings us to Paul George and the Boston Celtics and
the game of chicken that's gonna ensue. The Celtics have
the most resources to make a trade, yet they don't
want to trade anything that really The Pacers absolutely positively want,
like one of their top picks next year. Remember they'd
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only own their pick, but they own the Lakers sixers
pick as well as their own pick. Next season. The
Nets are gonna be terrible. That's gonna be a top
five picks. Same can possibly be said for the Lakers
and Sixers pick, and then of course they have their
own pick. That's three first round draft picks next year.
Which will they part with? My guests would be that
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right now they don't want to part with the two
earliest first round traft picks and only the last first
round draft pick and maybe a player. But see what
the Celtics have going for them in trading with um,
in trading with the you with the Indiana Pacers, is
with every day that passes that we get closer to
training camp, it's also getting closer to D Day when
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Paul George leaves for greener Pastors at the end of
the season. So if you're gonna coach him, go out
and coach him as he leaves town. Ah. But it's
a game of chicken because with every game that he plays,
where every time he puts on a uniform and goes
to practice, his value diminishes just so, just so, And
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the Celtics know. Then, on the other hand, the Celtics
also know that this is likely the only season they
would have Paul George. And if you're only gonna have
Paul George for one season, even if that roster gives
you a chance to be more competitive. Heck, maybe even
take a couple of games off the Cleveland Cavaliers. That's
good enough, But it's not good enough to trade for
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a guy who're only gonna have in town for nine
months and just by the time he learns the system,
he's gone from the system. It's a game of chicken.
And if anybody thinks that that the Celtics aren't offering
up a good enough deal, just remember if somebody had,
he would have been traded already. But he hasn't a lass.
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That means that that can only mean one possible thing.
That the Pacers are holding on and holding out hope
that they're gonna pick up the phone and say, all right, fine,
but we want Avery Bradley. Meanwhile, the Celtics are sitting
there hoping, knowing that at some point desperation sits in
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and they just gotta dump it. They just gotta dump it.
Reminds me of real estate, right, reminds me of real
estate music. You've never bought a house, right, so you're
now your apartment guy, live live with parents guy, or
live with live and sin guys? Well, ramost you in
a house down't here? That is affirmative? Are you familiar
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with the term chasing the market. I'm familiar with it,
but I don't know exactly know where it pertains to
what you're talking about. Okay, in terms of a real
estate here, here's what it is. Um the best time
to list the house, It depends upon market where in
the country you live. Most people think the best time
to list the house is like February March. Right, you
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wet the appetite of people who are going to move
for work or going to get out of the city,
are going to change jobs, are going to change towns,
or want to upgrade, or want to get you want
to get a smaller house, whatever, February March. I always
thought it's April, but februaryies getting earlier. February March. Well,
what happens is oftentimes when you read that your market
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is way up and you're you're the realtor that you've
come to have sell your house, says Mr Gottlieb, I
think we can sell your house for five and fifty
thou dollars. What do you think? You start calculating in
your head that you're real order plus the other real
order costs you five four percent, six percent, depending upon
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the state in which you do it, and you start
calculating that, yes, you're gonna make money on the house,
but you could make a whole lot more money if
you ask for more, or even fifty more, or even
a hundred thousand more. After all, you just redid that kitchen.
What happens, though, is if you come on the market
in February, right, and you're on the market in March,
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and you're over priced, and you're hoping for an angel.
An angel is somebody who flies in out of nowhere
and pays asking price for your home which is way
higher than your home should in fact be worth. Right,
that's an angel. Everybody in real estate knows, hey, they had,
they had an angel. That means their house was over
priced and somebody bought it anyway. But chasing the market,
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John ron Most is this. You list your house, they
say a five fifty, and you say, all right, fine,
I'm gonna try and see if somebody takes a flyer.
I'm gonna listed for seven hundred, and it's SIT's and
it's SIT's and it sits. And then after two months,
when more and more people have come by but not
looked at your house, you drop it. Two hundred. You
drop it on a hundred thousand dollars. But by now,
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but by now, your house has been on the market
for sixty days, and there's a hundred thousand dollar price drop.
And so a buyer comes in and says, wait a second,
they just dropped the house a hundred thousand dollars. Okay,
it's been on the market for sixty days and very
limited movement. Okay. The buyer starts to think, wait a second, this,
but guy has to get out of this house. He's
got a move, he's got a move. Meanwhile, with every
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passing day, the seller does, in fact get nervous and
nervous and nervous and nervous, and they end up listing
the house for five hundred thousand dollars and selling it
for like four seventy five, even though the realtor told
them initially, hey, we can get five fifty four it.
Let's listed for five seventy five, settle on five fifty,
be done with it, split up the percentages, and you'll
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be on your way to another home. But because you
started up at seven hundred thousand dollars and then you
started chasing the market, you ended up at four seventy
five because by the time you got to the end
of summer, you then did, in fact have to move
the house, and it was hard to move a house
that's been on the market for a hundred days because
people think there's something wrong with it, even though there
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might not be anything wrong with it. Makes sense, John,
makes perfect sense. Do you want to know how it
relates to Paul George? Okay, um, here's how the Indiana
Pacers put out floaters put out feelers about possibly trading
Paul George, going way back to the middle of the
season to excuse me to um to uh trade deadline time,
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but because they so badly overvalued Paul George. And now
because everybody in the world knows that Paul George wants
to be a Laker at the end of next season.
Now they're chasing the market. Now instead getting three first
round draft picks, or or instead of getting three players
and maybe a pick, now you're looking at two players
and not high level, starting caliber players and a pick,
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but not to pick you want. They keep chasing the
market because they overvalued Paul George from the initial time
they put him on the market quasi. So it just
temporarily so at the trade deadline and then in full
forced in the off season by wanting too much, they're
gonna end up taking too little. But like, look, if
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if Gordon Hayward isn't staying, if he's not staying with
the if he's if he's staying with Utah Jazz, why
would he take any meetings? Right? Why would you take
any meetings? Be sure to catch live editions of the
Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
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And now say Jason Whitlock, who you can here on
speak for yourself on UH on Serious Sextam. Next hour
you can hear Jason Wittlock and Colin Cowherd. He was
on the Colin Cowherd earlier today. He offered up this
as the reason he believes or whose most to blame
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for Chris Paul departing the Clippers. Bad journalism is why
the Clippers are in free fall. What Doc Rivers did
bringing his son to the Los Angeles Clippers when he
had failed basically in Orlando, and then bringing his son
and then giving his son thirty semine million dollars, that
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is the foundational seed that has destroyed the Clippers. And
it's why Chris Paul is now a member of the
Houston Rockets. Nepotism And where was the media at on this? What?
Why wasn't the media beating up Doc river Verse and
the Clippers organization for the past three years about the
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irresponsibility of Doc Rivers pulling a Peewee Football League move
bringing your son to your team when his career is bombing. Now, yeah,
I don't see it that way. I mean, like, look,
I understand I talked about it Monday that that Austin Rivers.
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You know, coaching your son is a good way to
get divorced or fired or even both. Um. But we
have to have that. We have to understand the context
of why Doc Rivers got so much power. We we
do remember this, right, their previous owner made racist remarks.
There was you had superstars in the league telling the UH,
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telling the commissioner of the league that they had to
make a change. And when you replace a white owner
who's seemed to have made racist remarks, um, and you
were place them with another wide owner, you have to
put somebody in charge who is of who is black.
Doc was already a well decorated coach. He'd already turned
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around the Clippers in terms of them on the floor.
He won an NBA Championship, created not as a president
of basketball operations with the Celtics, and so with that
in mind, with that in mind, he got the job
because when he was a coach who's doing a good job.
But two, because like they had to hire somebody who
was reputable who happened to be African American, and he
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was already there. It made a lot of sense. So
that wasn't bad journalism. Additionally, as much as we're given
Doc a ton of grief over a thirty million dollar
contract for a backup point guard, we do realize that
Matthew Dellavedova makes forty million dollars, Like that's actually going rate.
What Austin Rivers makes is going rate for backup point guards.
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Like it's a complete misconception that Austin makes Austin makes
more money than he should. It just is it just is.
It looks worse because he's the coach's son, because they
didn't want it, because they didn't want to trade him.
But three years, thirty five million dollars is not a
terrible deal. For a backup point guard who we oh yeah,
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by the way, actually had a pretty good year where
they were snake Bit was small forward. Our guy Jared
Dudley got there. He was hurt, He was never right,
he was never effective. They moved on too quickly and
they could never solve that problem, and that that had
a trickle down effect on the rest of the team,
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and Doc struggled that I think losing Tom Thibodeau losing
some of his staff from that Boston Celtics championship team.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
Leaves Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. Stephen
Jackson um quick note here, So they're in Charlotte. This
Sunday game will be on TV on the games will
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be on TV on Monday on Fox Sports one. Uh
T Town Tulsa next Sunday, So you can get your
tickets at Big three dot com. Any truth to the
rumor that you were out of gas and that's why
you went from sixty points wins to fifty points wins?
Show that again. You know the new you know the
new score is wins first one fifty wins, Yeah, points right,
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Who was complaining. Somebody had to complain. Was the TV
that was complaining with the guys, like dude, this is
too long, too physical. It had to be TV. I
don't think no guys complaining. It had to be something
with Fox in the league. I guess to make the
game shorter, but the players had nothing to do with it.
What do you think of the first weekend of the league.
It was awesome, man, great competition. I hate, I hate.
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A couple of guys got hurt, but you know, the
competition was great. We were sold out. It was a
great first week and we almost sold out here in Charlotte.
So everything's going on this plan as as as as
as of right now. I thought it was really cool,
Like I was. I was even pleasantly surprised. Um like, look,
I know New York loves hoops and Brooklyn's kind of
(18:06):
a cool spot and having on a Sunday, but I
mean everything from the setup of the court, the proximity
to the fans, a little bit of trash talking, physicality,
competitiveness of the games. Like, I thought, it was great.
My my biggest fear heading in was injuries. How much
of that it was just in your mind? Basketball? How
much of that is that some of these guys are
(18:26):
older and they're more likely to get hurt. Well, you know, uh,
you know, I'm always been honest with you, honest when
I when I speak. A lot of guys probably wasn't
in shape. But to put a to Corey mcgetty and
Jason Williams, credit those guys work out. They've been working out.
You know, everybody know, Corey's probably in the best shape
of anybody in the league. So their injury was just
(18:47):
freak accident, you know what I'm saying. And it could
be Aids, Doug. We we don't know, but those guys
were in shape. Um, you know, it's it's it's just unfortunate.
But you know, um, I know, I mean personally, I've
been working now, I don't afraid to god, I don't
get hurt. But I'm ready to go. And a lot
of guys are ready to go, man, And the last
thing we wanted was to see guys get hurt. But
as you know, with age and and and with with
(19:09):
this game, with the way we play, and how intensive,
how intensive is it it is, you know, I mean,
how intensive is is somebody's gonna get hurt. But we're
wishing for the best. But like I said with Corey
to answer you a question, with Corey and Jason Williams,
those guys were in great shape. It was just some
freak accidents, all right. Yeah, I know I've played in
Corey's pick up a game before he's in. He's always
been a freak athlete and freak shape. Stephen Jackson joining us, Okay,
(19:32):
so let's let's start with Chris Paul. Chris Paul and
James Harden. Uh too, tremendous players like Chris Paul is
my favorite true point guard in the league. And James
Harden had as good as season at And but here's
the thing. They built Houston around James Harden, Like that
was the whole thing that changed the team was they
got the right pieces in place so he could have freedom.
(19:55):
Doesn't Chris Paul and Pinge on that freedom a little bit? Yeah?
But you know what, You're exactly right. I mean, you
can't deny that, but it's somewhat If you want to win,
you have to take a step back and let great
players be great, and you'd be great in your own right. Um.
I think that's the names Hard is gonna have to
find that. He's gonna have to find it that fine
line of of being aggressive and still being a guy
(20:17):
who needs the ball, but also let Chris Paul be
more of the leader, let him run the team, and
you and you and you be the best player on
the team. He has to figure that out. One thing
about Chris Paul, like you said, he's an old school
point guard. He wants to lead, he wants to run
the team. And I think that's what James needs. And
I think I think it's gonna be really suspensiful for
both of them. Well, I mean, you say, you say
you like it, Um, okay, if you were Gordon Hayward,
(20:41):
your college coach is the coach of the Celtics. Now.
The only possible downside to that is if things when
bad guys could be like, oh you know your your
coaches boy, right, that that could be that that's the
only but your college coach is the coach. There's the
Celtics like, look, he's a white dude. That's a place
where white dudes have gone to have success. So have
they the same thing in Utah. They need his style
(21:03):
of play, they need his position, and he can sign
a three year deal and make the same he's making
the first three years and then get a get a
max contract afterwards. Doesn't feel like a foregone conclusion. He
goes to Boston. If I was going, I will go
to Boston to be on my coach. Hey, don't worry
about what people say. Okay, So then what do you
what happens with Paul George? Your best guess where Paul
(21:25):
George plays next year? Well, Boston, Boston can get Paul,
and they got It's a possible to Boston get Paul
and and Guardon Haywood. It's a possibility that Houston can
get Paul George and Carmelo. I don't know how none
of this stuff's gonna play out, but I know wherever
Paul George goes, that's gonna be a scene that's gonna
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be able to fight for a championship. If you're Blake Griffin,
where do you want to play? If I was Blake Griffin,
Now hour go to the Wizard and get a heart
and some balls and some new knees. First, then I
worry about what team I'm going to. Stephen Jackson, always
shy with his opinion. What about the Spurs? Team you
(22:07):
play with? Team you know, well they didn't get Chris Paul.
What did they go to John T. Murray? I mean
because I just we we talked about age. When Tony
Parker blows out the the the quad, tendon, the and
and look he had showed signs of age. Man who obviously,
um though he had some spurts, is a little bit
over the hill. Like if you're the Spurs, what do
(22:30):
you do? You know what? First of all, you gotta
understand that Tony and nobody has been done to or
three years ago. I don't know, Pop, you gotta let
it go. I know you want to hold on to
them and let them get all the credit, but you
gotta let it go. Pop, let it go. Um They
Kauai definitely needs a big star. I hope, I hope
(22:50):
they're fighting for a big start to coming there with
his garden air Apaul Gearge anybody. They need another big
star there. Chris Paul would have been great for them
because he would have made the markets audre better. He's
the only big man in the league that won't go left,
that will run over people to get right. So if
Chris Paul got there, that would take him out that
equation to running over with people, and he can get
because Chris Paul is the best best at picking pop.
(23:12):
Blake couldn't shoot, but he got so many open shots
from Chris Paul picking pop. He had to develop a
jumple that would have been grateful the marks for Chris
Paul in San Antonio, he's not there. I don't know
what moves they can make, but I hope they can
intention to try to get a big name player because
without that they don't have a chance to get Golden State. Alright,
Minnesota has Rubio at point guard. They've tried to move
(23:32):
him but have been unable to do so. But they
have Andrew Wiggins, they got Karl Anthony Towns, and now
they go out and get Jimmy Butler. Feel feels to
me Stephen Jackson joining us from the Big Three. If
you want tickets for this weekend's Big Three, go to
be the Big Three dot Com there in Charlotte this weekend,
Tulsa next weekend. We're on in both towns. Um it
(23:52):
feels to me like this is a better set up
for um for for all parties, right, Like like you
have a coaching staff that came in last year and
their demanding defense. He got young guys. They bringing Jimmy Butler,
and he can kind of work the room, in the
locker room, the coaching staff will will will give him
(24:14):
the respect that he desires. And yet he's not actually
the most talented offensive player, which is a better role
for Jimmy Butler than being the go to guy. I
really like the trade that they made, but but I
but I also value your wisdom. What do you think
of the Chicago Minnesota trade. I love it. I love
(24:35):
uh TIBs knows Jimmy the best. They had a great relationship.
I think Jimmy is a great team player, so he's
gonna shine even more with better player because they know
how to play a game. And he's going to be
more of a threat out there because he's one of
those guys. He's always been good at facing you know.
He he never he always wants to shy away from
his my team talks. He wants to be a good
(24:57):
teammate on a good team. And I think with these
young guys, with with Towns and Wiggins, this team is
gonna be Specially if you look at the last two years,
there's only three three teams that really be going to
stay the game or run for their money every time
they played them. Minnesota was one of those teams. They
were young enough to keep up with him and and score.
When you had a guy like Demmy Butler, they're gonna
(25:19):
be dangerous. And I I love Seals. I think it
was one of the best coaches in the league. So
I see that working well for from Minnesota and not
too well for Chicago. I would have kept Umm. Glad
you're healthy. Can't wait to see you this weekend in Charlotte,
one of your one of your many homes uh during
your illustrious career in the NBA. More than anything, love
(25:40):
having you all on your strong opinion Stephen Jackson's The
Big Three dot com Charlotte this weekend, UH, Tulsaton next
weekend pick up tickets. It's just it's an awesome way
to go watch them three on three with some guys
that you know and respect and put the ball in
the bucket. Jacks, thanks so much for joining us, man
man any time, dog. I was good talking to you, bro.
All right, Stephen Jackson joining us Fox Sports Radio has
(26:01):
the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all
of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and
within the I heart radio app. The funny thing is
that as much as this year is great, isn't this
year guys just just like the NFL Draft. I mean
I I actually we had Jamar Taylor on yesterday from
the Cleveland Browns and we didn't get into this. But look,
(26:24):
I think the Browns are smart and that they didn't
waste a draft pick on a rookie quarterback. Next year,
you have Zach Rose and U c. L A. You
have Sam Donald usc and you have the kid at
Wyoming as well, and you've got three potential top ten
quarterbacks in the draft. Next year is the year to
have first round draft picks and take a quarterback in
that draft. The smart teams, even the ones that needed
(26:47):
a quarterback, got a vet to kind of hold the
thing together because they know there's franchise quarterbacks coming up
next year. That's what's happening in free agency next year, right,
I mean, like, to less extent, Dwayne Wade and we'll
see if Carmelo Anthony, but Russell Westbrook potentially is a
free agent, Lebron James potentially as a free agent, Chris
(27:10):
Paul should be is a free agent. Like you go through,
there is a litany of players that are potential free
agents next year. Next year is the year now. Look.
Some of it is the fact that when you have
a salary cap there's a floor as well. You have
to spend some money, and you know, like, look, there
are guys you just have to get a guy. But
(27:33):
isn't an interesting on how um these contracts will get done,
which will allow some guys that shouldn't be below the
max to make We mentioned Dela Delva Dova. There's all
kind of backups making huge money. And if you're running
one of these teams and you're kind of a middling team,
why don't you forget about dumping games, dump salary and
(27:54):
prepare yourself to try and when you get in a lottery.
But two more importantly, be flexible to get a free
agent next year because they can't all go to one team.
This year's NBA free agency while good and impactful, I
mean Gordon Aywards an impactful player, Chris Paul is an
impactful player, Blake Griffin is an impactful player. Karmlor Anthony
if he gets cutter traded impactful player, Paul George, same thing.
(28:17):
But none of them are the top five players in
the NBA, and there's not the volume of players they'll
be next year. Next year's free agency class is just
like next year's college football class or the NFL draft class,
absolutely positively loaded, and teams that keep sight of that
(28:39):
are teams that that that puts themselves in position for
long term success. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
The Great George Carl joins us in The Doug gottlip
Show Fox Sports Radio Coach. Before we get into your
(29:01):
thoughts on the NBA free agency and what's to come,
the most important question, how's your health? Uh? Dog? I
want you to know I'm I'm probably as healthy as
healthy as I've been in fifteen years. I mean my
my I had knee replacement right after the Sacramento fell apart,
and I now exercise every day. I don't have much
(29:22):
to do except my yoga or my workouts, and play
golf and take vacations. I was out. I was on
Molly with Nellie for about seven eight days and just
enjoying catching up with people that I probably have ignored
too many times in my life. You mentioned spending time
with Nellie. You know, Nellie was the guy who kind
of brought small ball to the NBA, right like this
(29:43):
is this is a different sort of small ball than
he played. But there's a there's a lot of Don
Nelson as to what's taking over what's taking over the league.
Now that the Worriors have won their second championship in
three years, I'm sure that validates all the things he did.
But what are your thoughts on kind of the state
of the league in the Warriors being so dominant, whether
(30:05):
or not you think that's good for the league? Uh,
you know, my my general feeling, you know, from now
being a coach it's been in the league for a
long time, to being a fan observing the league. It
bothers me a little bit. I'm a little nervous about it,
a little bit more nervous than you know, the space
between Golden State. When they go through the playoffs and
(30:27):
win sixteen games and lonely lose one, that's that's amazing
to me. I mean, I mean, as a coach, winning
a playoff game is so hard to do and they
did it, you know, kind of co un casual I
mean they were good. They were very good, and you
know they you know, a year ago at this time
(30:49):
they probably had the best roster in the NBA and
they and they added one of the best top three
players in the NBA. And I think we now have
a separation. There's no question. The separation is what we're
reacting to right now in free agency. How are you
going to build the teams? You know, everybody now wants
the superstar teams and that's the only way you can
(31:10):
be good. I personally think that's probably an overreaction too,
because about twenty four the teams in the league can't
can't do the Superstar system. There's only about tend teams
and they they can do the Superstar system. If if,
if the Pacers can emost you mean it. The Cavaliers
(31:32):
can trade for Paul George, but they have to give
up Kevin Love in order to get Paul George three
team deal. Whatever. Does that put the Cavaliers on the
level of the Warriors? In your opinion, it puts them
in their athletic They now then can be athletic and
they can play the game athletically maybe and be successful.
(31:53):
I personally still think Golden State has better, better athletes
and better better players. I think what Golden State it
is done is they put together a roster of balanced
players that play both ends of the court, kind of
play selfless basketball and position this basketball at the same time.
But they're very good defensively, they're very good passing the basketball.
(32:15):
They sacrifice for one another. They have a tremendous roster
and that roster WI will be interesting how it will
be hit with free agency, because I think, you know,
torpedo torpedoing Golden States roster is probably the best way
to catch him. Yeah, well, that's what people are saying,
that that that somebody has to somebody's gotta buite the
bullet and offer Andre Goodala too much money, you know,
(32:38):
few money, so he can't turn it down, right, and
that will that will begin the chipping away of this roster.
You know, Agudaala is so important because essentially at times
offensively he'll play center for them, like he did in
Game five when he scored scored twenty points. But I mean,
what if you're I mean, does does does Andre Goodala?
Legitimately is he worth that money? I mean, he's still
(32:59):
kind of a seven point of game guy. He last
time he was the best player on a team was
ten years ago with the Sixers that were a team. Like,
is a team really going to torpedo the Warriors by
overpaying a guy even though he probably is not gonna
help win that many more games. I think there's a
possibility of it. But again, what you what you have
(33:20):
is you have teams. You're trying to figure out how
to win games and how to spend the money to
win games. And Golden States is trying to figure out
how to win a championship with a great roster. And
it's a it's a different it's it's a different beast,
it's a different challenge. And I think Golden State right
now has you know, has a window. I mean some
(33:41):
people I've talked to, and then Manelli and I talked,
He thought it was three to five years that they're
probably going to be the best team in basketball. I mean,
I mean, family, we don't want to say that, but
that's probably if you analyze it, that's where you're at.
Because you know their their salary cap structure isn't in trouble.
They haven't even they haven't even delved into paying a big,
(34:03):
big number on the tax yet, and I think their
owner wants to do that. If they have to go
out and you know, spend twenty million or thirty million
on tacks, they can probably do that. George carl Jonas
on the Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
let me ask you about Gordon Hayward. He can stay
in Utah, and I think Quinn has done a really
(34:24):
really good job Utah. By the way, coach just traded
for Ricky Rubio, so it appears that George Hill is
not gonna return. Ricky Rubio be his point guard. Now
you're you're Gordon Hayward. Don't all the signs say to
go to play for Boston. I mean, like, look, he
can sign a three year deal, and after that three
year deal, he can get the super Max because he's
got ten years in the league. It's his college coach,
(34:45):
it's a really good team. They play the way he'd
want to play. Like kind of all this stuff fits,
wouldn't it be? I don't know. I just I feel
like there's just all these signs point to him going there.
And one of your thoughts, well, personally, my thoughts are
I wish Utah would stay together because I think it's
a fun team, and I think they're trying to build
(35:08):
of a very intelligent team around Salt Lake City and
the Utah Jazz and a small market, and the way
they're building, I think they have a chance maybe to
become a championship caliber basketball team. Uh, because you know,
Gordon Haywood is a top I think top ten fifteen
player in basketball, and they got to figure out the
other pieces that goes along. But in the same sense,
(35:31):
I think they know that they're not going to be
able to maybe keep all the players in free agency,
so you know, then picking up Rubio is a good play.
It's a great play. And and then trying to continue
to build the process and keep Gordon Haywood is I mean,
I know, I know it's going to be a very
nervous few days here for the Utah Jazz because I
I hear around the league that Miami is the team
(35:54):
where Gordon Haywood is leaning. Going what about Miami? Obviously
they have uh they have Hassan Whiteside, now, they have
all that camp space. What how competitive would they be
atop the East if they were to added Gordon Hayward.
I loved their team last year. The second half of
(36:16):
the season Miami, he overachieved and played at the level
of high, high level of basketball the people probably didn't
even know about because they missed the playoffs. But the
last two months Miami he was good and they were legit,
and they had a hell of the records. And so
I think that would be the beginning of the new
new pat Riley Eric Spoelstra, Uh, you know, a new chapter,
(36:37):
because I think that would bring them back on and
get away from the day and Dwyane Wade and and
Lebron Saga. And though you know pat Riley wants to
be on top of the mountain, he doesn't like anything
except championships. He's one of the Miami is one of
those organizations that even though they had a great year
on paper last year, they want to win big. They
want to win big in the playoffs, and they want
(36:58):
to win championships. George Carl John Usen, Doug out, Lip Show, Um,
Blake Griffin Um left behind with the with the l
A Clippers. Where does he fit best with That's a
good question because you know his injuries and and just
what happened with clipper Land. There seems to be like
(37:18):
a cloud over the Clipper organization and the Clipper and
players a little bit. And you know, Blake is I
think a fantastic player, and but he's not been a
player that really delivers playoffs success and and so is
he capable of doing that? I personally think he is
the one player that maybe a team like s Phoenix,
(37:40):
or maybe a team like Denver or or Oklahoma City
could maybe pluck away from uh pluck away from the
Clippers if they don't go to their fifth years. Like
the rumor now and is out there that the Clippers
don't want to give him five years. They're a little
bit afraid of his injuries, and their offers probably gonna
be a four year deal, which would probably push him
opened into the open market that someone might be able
(38:03):
to steal him. How hard is it going to be
from Mike D'Antoni. Look, and I know he's an excellent
offensive coach, but you have two guys that dominate the
basketball and like, look, in the regular season, you can
work it out, you can split up some time, but
in big games, I mean to to to to take
a step with a roster that now won't have Lou
(38:24):
Williams coming off the bench. They won't have Patrick Beverley,
who they want to move. Obviously, Chris Paul is an upgrade,
but that does that actually make you better considering both
players are are at their best when they have the
ball in their hands, coming off those ball screens. Um,
I think both of them want to win, and I
think both of them and I know Chris Paul's in
(38:45):
the stage of his career, but I think he'll do
some adapting to the scenarios that you know. The thing is,
did we expect what James Harden did this year? I didn't.
I mean, I think Mike d Antoni did a fantastic
job with that team, but also just getting getting them
on the right page and playing, you know, the style
that they want to play. I think Chris Paul is
(39:06):
the guy is going to have to do some adapting
and I think in the end, Mike the Antonio will
figure out some type of formula. Will it be good
enough to catch Golden State? You know, I just don't.
I think people under rate two things in Golden State.
They are a good it's a great defensive team, and
they are a total committed past the ball to the
(39:27):
open man basketball team. Houston has the most has has
a little bit of problems in both areas. I don't
think they're a great defensive team, and I still think
at times the ball is a little sticky down in Houston,
even though they moved the ball a lot better than
they have in the past. Great stuff. The book is
furious George by forty years surviving NBA Diva's clueless GMS
(39:48):
and poor shot selection. Georgia really appreciate you join us
and most importantly happy to hear that you're as healthy
as you've been in years. Keep it up and we'll
talk to you soon. Okay, good saying you man, good
talking to you. Thank you
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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