August 16, 2017 • 44 mins
Doug broadcasts live from Los Angeles Chargers Training Camp and talks to star DE Joey Bosa and WR Keenan Allen about the upcoming season in LA. Also, Doug explains why all that matters for RB Ezekiel Elliot is whether he did it or not. Plus, Doug tells you why Cavs F LeBron James might leave in Cleveland, and it has nothing to do with basketball. And Doug dives into Cowboys WR Dez Bryant's comments about National Anthem protests.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the dun Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. What America Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports
Radio from sunny southern California, even sunnier, cooler Calmer, I
love the coach to Mesa, California, home of your l
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A Chargers training camp. That's right, the Bolts are back
and now they're in the seven one four. They will
play in the two one three and they will be
on the radio throughout the hour. We'll be bringing over
some San Diego Chargers UH and try and catch up
with this team. That that has been much discussed. Even
the lack of fan attendants at the stub Hub Center
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has been discussed. Philip Rivers coming off a turnover prone year,
or their inability to close games, which it looked like
they were close to turning the corner last year getting
Joey Bosa back after the hamstring injury and the the
elongated holdout, they could not get over the hump. They
made a coaching change, they made some interesting draft picks,
but of the two teams in Los Angeles, UH, they
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are far and away more prepared on the offensive side
of the football to compete. Unfortunately, They're in the a
f C West, a very very competitive division. So we'll
talk some Bolt football live from their training camp throughout
the afternoon. I can only tell you that San Diego
is an incredible city. Uh. This is fifteen minutes from
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where I grew up. Ten minutes actually took me twelve
from where I live. And I think the only thing
better than Coasta Mesa than San Diego is the Newport
Mesa area. So it's not like you have to feel
bad for the Chargers players moving or Philip Rivers making
the drive uh to a place to which they have
to acquire some new fans and move into a new
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market before they move into the l A market in
the coming years. But that's not the discussion point of
the day. In sports, we continue to react to Ezekie
Elliott and now now it's starting to get really really ugly,
and there there's but they're unlike unlike the political discussion
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to which I don't think there's two sides to it.
There are two sides to this discussion, and part of
it is the historic context of any sort of sexual salt,
any sort of violence against women, and what tends to
happen to the accuser. There's a there's a bravery to
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to going through with your accusations, because, as we've seen
in the past, in legitimate UH cases of sexual AsSalt
or physical AsSalt on women, the accuser is often put
on trial. Right, That's what we we've been told. Additionally, Additionally,
if the accuser of for example, domestic violence comes out
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and opens up the door to what's going on behind
closed doors, the person that they're with stands to lose
the substantial amount of money and it hurts their livelihood.
I mean, look at Jena Rice for example, right. Remember,
Jenney Rice didn't nest, didn't want to pursue this thing.
And the reason she didn't want to pursue what ends
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up happening to Ray Rice was because of what happened
to Ray Rice the video came out, he was out
of the NFL, never to return, and even though he's
repented for his sins, it doesn't matter. And Jenney Rice,
who did nothing wrong, ends up being a victim, doubly
so because she's married to Ray Rice. There's still very
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much together, but he can't find a job in the NFL.
And that video is the biggest reason why it's not
the only reason why, but the biggest reason why. So
Tiffany Thompson is the accuser's name in this UH Ezeki
Elliott deal and earlier today, UH it was really east
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that the woman who accused Dallas Cowboys stars Zeki Elliot
of domestic violence submitted to NFL investigators of having a
text exchange in which she discussed leveraging sex videos featuring
her and Elliott for money from the player, according to
documents obtained by Yahoo's Sports. In it, she says, what
if I sold mine and Ezekiel's sex videos? Her friends said,
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we all be millionaires. We could blackmail him with that.
Thompson says, I want to brow The friend says, let's
do it. Thompson said scared. Friends says shoot. Only she
didn't say shoot. Friends said I'd be like, look, give
me ten k, or I'll just sell the sex videos
for the same amount flat me and my friends trying
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to go on vacation get boob jobs ten k. I
want twenty k. Now. Part of part of the problem
with text meshes One they live forever. Two we cannot
understand even if you p L O L are you
put a smiley face? We don't know what level of
truth there is to that, But the biggest thing is
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we can't. We don't know tone, we don't know our
is and does this in any way relate to the accusations.
There's also text message between he between she and a
friend where she tells her friend what to say to
police and to tell them that he was dragged she
was dragged out of the car, even though another friend
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said she was not dragged out of the car. My
my takeaway is that, look, these ugly details come out.
This is a pattern of why so many women will
not come out and accuse people of domestic violence. It
all just should be pointed out that why it's not
just a it's not just a simple case. And the
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court of law is different than the court of public
opinion is different than the court of the National Football League,
And the National Football League has said, Look, she may
be a liar, she may have eyed about other things,
but the fact is that she had bruises, and there's
enough evidence there to think that at some point during
their time together, during a specific time period, he lays
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laid hands on her. And we cannot put ourselves in
the position to which we can't pursue this we can't
suspend you for this, and that's the difference between the
court of law and what the NFL is operating with it.
Right have has has who has this leaked information? Created
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reasonable doubt? Absolutely, but it's also the pattern of why
women don't come out and it You also could make
the case that though she she may have coerced her
friend into embellishing on part of the story, and she
may have discussed blackmailing Ezeke Elliott on another part of
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the story. The main thrust of the story is did
he ever lay hands on her? And that's it, and
that's all we should be discussing. Did he or didn't
didn't he? Period? As for the sex tape, Uh, this
is one of those millennials and like, look, there's a
movie even called sex Tape, right? Did anybody watch the movie?
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Was it any good? It was the idea that a
husband and wife right record a sex tape, it's safe
to the cloud, and then all of a sudden, on
iPads in their house. Everybody got everybody got the cloud
and everybody. I didn't see the movie, but I understand it.
And it's basically why any sort of parent knows, any
sort of parent knows, um that that is not that's
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why you don't want to be on the cloud with
your kids. The answer is millennials all have these, all
of them. We'll get to that upcoming. We can't get
my man a chair, Like, what is going on? All right?
Joey bos is gonna join us in mere moments here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Uh as uh as he
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sits down out of practice and we're here live at
at charges Camp Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. So
last year you didn't get to fully participate because of
the contract situation and of course hurt your hamstring and
then had an outstanding rookie season. What's it been like
for you so far? Having the full allotment of time
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with your teammates, with the new coaching staff, It's been
great an important to bet we miss to get better
as a as a player and a team. Um, I
mean after going through Ohio State camps, this is it's
it's kind of cake compared to compared to what college
used to be. So it's been a good experience. Wait,
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so college camp Ohio State was more difficult than this.
Of course, two days are the worst. You know that
you know they don't They elimitated two days right after
you left, right of course. Yeah, so it's until so
it's so it's very very different. Um uh, you guys.
You guys took on the Seattle Seahawks. Obviously the ones.
You guys are out there for a very short period time.
You gotta stop, you gotta feel gave up only field goal.
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Your ones went down and scored a touchdown beforehand. You
guys have gone back seeing the tape. How do you
think you played in your first preseason game? I thought
I played well. Um, I think the whole first team
played really well. But it's a team and we're grading
it as a team, and we as as a whole
didn't play it anywhere where we needed to play. So
we're just season this week to get ready for next
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week and really or this Sunday and really show what
we can do, because I don't think Sunday was a
I was I was there. I went downhill in a
hurry like yep, seventy three and then a couple of
couple of crazy turnovers and all of a sudden it
became a blowout in the in the second half. Joey
Bosa joining us Andygo Chargers second year night. Now you're
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a vet, but it's been it's been so wild, right.
You had you had to hold out, you had the injury,
you had the season, you had all those crazy close
losses where you felt like the game was gonna be one,
and then you had the coaching change and then the
franchise moves for you. Do you have like do you
have the stability you desire? Like it's it's gotta be
weird to go in it with so many moving parts.
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Do you feel stable now as a member of the Chargers. Yeah,
I mean, it's definitely been a crazy year, all the
things you're talking about, Um, but I've always been felt
stable as a Charger. It's been smooth for me. Um,
it's easy. My family and everybody helps take care of
a lot of things around me, so I could really
focus on one thing, and that's football and being the
best I could be on the field. So it's it's
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really hasn't been too bumpy of a ride. There was
a lot of talk when you were drafted. There was like,
well he's a four three guy, it's a three four,
and the Charges like, look, we're you're in four down
linemen defensively time anyway, And of course it took a
while till we saw you. When we saw you, you
easily assimilated to the NFL. What about this defensive style,
new coaching staff, new style. How are you going to
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be used differently than you were used last year? It's
not too different. Um, like you said, seventy percent of
the time we were in that sub package for three defense,
So it's really not too too big of a change.
I think it it fits our guys really well. And uh,
we've been executing the defense really well this camp. So
that was the big question coming out whether I could
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play three four an hour back to for three? Here
is can I play for three? So it's really just
isn't your job? Don't you just have one job? Anyway?
Go tackle the quarterback, get the ball? Pretty much for you,
Joey posted joining us up. What about Ohio State this year?
There's a lot of a lot of talk this year.
Last year, super young squad after you and all those
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guys went pro. Kind of surprised people really got the
college football playoff. What you're taking the buck eyes in
the likelihood they get back to the college football play well,
I'll have to wait and see for the first couple
of games. But I'm just excited to watch my brother play.
I think we'll get a lot of time out there
this year, and uh, I'm always excited to watch them play.
So well, I can't make any predictions just yet. All right,
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So look Orange count For people who don't know, it's
only maybe an hour up the road from San Diego,
but it's it's different. Uh, you feel uncomfortable yet, Like,
do you have your spots? You got your place you
go for your for your protein shakes, you get in
the place you go to get your haircut. Do you
have your spots yet? Oh? No, because we've been pretty
much in the hotel since since we got here, so uh,
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I really haven't got out and seen the town at
all since I've since I've been here, I've been to
my house in the hotel. Really the only two spots
I've been to yet. Anthony Lynn he's never been a
head coach before. So when you first met with him,
what was your impression? Um? Where did I first meet
with him? I think we were doing something in l
a h and I just we we had a quick
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word and right away I thought he'd be what we needed. Uh.
Every time I'm asking about him, I say, the most
important thing that he brings his accountabilities, making guys take
accountability for their actions, which there wasn't a lot last year.
There are a lot of pointing fingers and his fault,
his fault, never pointing at yourself and saying what you
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can do better? But he's he's kind of forcing that
upon the whole team. Is that why you guys lost
so many close games? Um? I mean there's a there's
a lot of factors to I think losing those two
injuries to you know, giving up late. I don't know,
but we're living on the next year. Okay, so, but
but help me out with that. Because you had been
a part of a program. I mean the thing about
Urban Myers teams and your National championship team for example,
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you found a way to win games that you should
have lost. Like, that's the whole thing with the house.
Anybody's ever watching who State? You know, you even go
back to when Jim Trust was there, when they were
the luck eyes are like how do they win that game?
And then you come to a pro team and it
was like the opposite for that that stretch of like
seven weeks where you would find a way to lose
games that you should win. What is that emotionally a
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guy who's as invested in winning as you are, what's
that like to be a part of? Yeah, I mean
it was. It was definitely tough coming in, but I
feel like at Ohio State, nobody on the team ever
believed that we were going to lose. So that's that's
why we could always fight and pull through in those tough,
close games in the fourth quarter. But uh, I mean
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there were some feelings around around the team last year
when we'd get up and we'd go into the third
quarter like, oh no, here we go again. But I
don't know, it was. It was tough to start, but
I love my team and I'm I'm excited to be here.
You played at stub Hub. It's a it's the smallest
place in the NFL. Right, Yeah. What's it like though,
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to play on that fields? I mean, did you like
would you like? It was a cool? Yeah? I liked it.
I mean it was it was full at least, so,
I mean the eight plays I was out there, it
was it was fun. I'm sure it'll be rocking during
the regular season. Eight plays, That's that's it's got to
be like the easiest, definitely pretty weird to warm up
and get ready and then you go out there for
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two series. So how much are you gonna play this week? Um,
we don't really know yet more but not too much,
all right. Joey Bosa joining us. Joey, best of luck
in your second year. Love to go out there and
watch you play. You know you got a bunch of
autographs asigned as much for being a part of the show.
All right. Joey Bosa of the of the l A
Chargers joining us here on the Doug Gotlip Show. More
bolts to come coming up? Are the Charges actually ready
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to fight for l A? There's this we gotta fight
for l A. We gotta beat the Rams. But maybe
more importantly, Raiders made the playoffs last year. Broncos have
one of the elite defenses, and of course the Cancery
Chiefs do as well as uh as. All three are
playoff favorites to go against in that division. That's six
difficult games in arguably the most difficult division in the NFL.
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We're joined by Keenan Allen, who, of course star wide
receiver for the Chargers, and I say star because everyone
knows when healthy, he is a star in this league.
But that's a when healthy. So first question I think
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everybody wants to know is how is your health. That's great,
it's going good. Um. Off seasons and amazing. Rehab was amazing,
Training camp is going amazing. Right now. I'm feeling good,
I know, but this is this has been like another year,
another rehab. I mean internally that there has to be
a little bit of a I can't believe I've been
so unlucky so many times. Yeah, definitely, man Um, definitely disappointing. Um,
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like you said, when I'm out there, I try to
make as many places I can. I can do it
when I'm out the field, though, So definitely striving to
be on the field. All right, So Keena down and
you're back out in the field on Sunday in the
game against the Seattle Seahawks. Check me through kind of
the mentality of being out there. Wanted to show that
you're back, that you're and yet also you know, guarding
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against you want God forbid, you want anything to go wrong?
How do you go through that? Um, it's it wasn't
really in my mind. Um, I was playing unconsciously as
far as injury and UM, you know, just trying to
stay football minded and do what I do on the field.
So Mike Williams obviously is the star rookie drafted first round. UH,
yesterday the report was likely to see him in October
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come back from a from from a back. I was watching,
you know, Kelvin Benjamin had that was an eighty nine
yard catching run and people throw from Kevin Clemmens. I
think that was in the late first quarter. I mean
he obviously can take the top off a defense. We
know that you can get You know, you can be
a double digit catch guy every game. Obviously you have
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um Antonio who caught the touchdown pass on the opening drive.
You have Hunter Henry who's going to be an elite
tight end. Like it seems like you have a lot
of weapons. UM, give me your sense of this group.
And they got Melvin in the backfield and out of
the backfield. Give me your sense of this group as
of now, and then how it will evolve when Mike
gets healthy. I think it's gonna be great. Man. Um,
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like you said, we have a lot of weapons, so
and everybody can be used differently, everybody can play different positions. Um,
So bringing my considered thing is just gonna add another
a big plate threat. He definitely a ball getter, and um,
you know, when the ball is in the air, I
definitely believe it's his. It feels like kind of the
game plan. And again, this is where kind of Layman's
game plan is. You have you know, Mike Williams is
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a big but big play deep ball down the field
wide receiver, same thing with Calvin Benjamin and then allows
to open up the middle of the field for guys
like you and guys like Hunters. Is that kind of
generally the way it works? Um? So I mean for
your ideal team probably, Yeah. You definitely want to have
some deep threats. You want to have some guys who
can run into media routes, and you just want to
have some ballers. So I feel like we got it
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all I do. How is this offense? You know, Whizzes
back working working with the offense, something he did a
couple of years ago in San Diego. How is this
offense different from last year's offense. Um, we added Mike Williams. Yeah,
that's that's I mean in terms of schematically thematically, I think, well,
the year that we had last year running, I think
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that's gonna be more aggressive on the ground. Let let
Melvin actually go get two thousand this year. UM, keep
him on the field, to keep him healthy. Let's go
get two thousand, and then it's just gonna open up
more passing the yards, the big and I know, I
hate to start with the negative with the with the injuries,
but the other thing and then look, I'm a city
with Charger fans, so I felt the pain just like
any other fan. The last couple of years have been
ridiculous in terms of the number of the litany of injuries,
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not just you, but in the interior in the offensive line. Um,
how how do you? Is there any way to protect
against that? Is there anything like you guys were doing
too much of and practice? It's something in training like
how did I've I've never seen the volume of injuries
that you guys had over the last two years. How
do you protect against that? Um? It's hard to say. Man,
we we wake up and don't go go balls out
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all day long. Um, we do what we're supposed to do,
weight room, off the field, rehab and all stuff like that,
and then, um, I guess just part of the game.
You've obviously played in some great environments. It feels like
StubHub can be something really unique, really special. Right. It's
it's like not thirty thousand seats and it's gonna be full.
You played there on Sunday. What's your thoughts on what
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it's gonna be like next two years for the Charge.
I think it's gonna be great, man. I think it
could be loud. As long as we're we we got
everything popping on all our Cylanders, offense, defense, special teams.
I think it could be loud and definitely supportive. So
there's this big fight for l A thing, right, that's
the that's the deal, fight for l A supposed So like,
how do you how do you win the fight for
l A? Win games? That's what I thought. It's just
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very simple win games. Yeah, but you have to like
change the rims on your car. Do you have to do?
You have to you know, do do something. You guys
have to do something to capture the l A mentality.
This is like an orange County mentality is different than
the l A mental l A mentality. I guess just win,
I'm going off of l A Lakers type. I don't
think about the Clippers when there. That's exactly what it is.
You don't want to be the Clippers to this time.
You want to be the Lakers and the first one
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to be the Lakers to the town owns the team
right has has nothing to do with anything else. You're good,
You're ready for a great season, all right. So if
I'm a fantasy owner, do I go all in on
keenan Outen? Most definitely? Every even last year, still go
all in, go we go. I'm just I just you
need to make the sale to people on I think
the sale is made. It's just a can you put
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some water on me? So I keep growing good enough?
This year? How joining us Fox Sports Radio has the
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the I Heart Radio app. You know I could fix
this whole thing, by the way, this whole marketing campaign
with the Chargers right fight for l A. Why are
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you fighting for l A? They should have fought for
Orange County. They should have been the Orange County Chargers.
It's weird, it's it's it's it's really really interesting to
me what happens when um in in real estate? Right,
it's location, location, location, Like three things established the value
of your home. Location, location, location. And the reason that
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the Angels who are located in Orange County call themselves
the Los Angeles Angels of Great Orange County or whatever
instead of the they used to be the Anaheim Angels
is because of the value in the branding of Los Angeles.
Now the Angels are not in l A. No one
in l A thinks they're in l A. Like no
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one in their right mind would believe that the Angels
are a Los Angeles bace team. Now, the difference is
that the Charges will actually play in Los Angeles County,
not just this year playing it what's called the StubHub
Center where the l A Galaxy call home, but then
in future years playing at the rams uh the rams
Co owned facility, right, which is in Los Angeles. But
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to me, like you know and I understand that the
value of the franchise will skyrocket once they're in l A.
And that's what happened with the Clippers, right, The Clippers
don't own the arena. They didn't own the arena, and
they don't even own the town and they owned zero banners,
and yet they were sold for a billion dollars above valuation. Now,
part of it was the timing of it and how
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quick that sale was made. And he had Steve Baumber
who had money to burn and he just burned through
it and just threw a bunch of cash. So he
but the reason he threw a bunch of cash and
paid more for it was the Clippers were in l
a and that was the value to him. But in
you know, in building kind of a thing and a
present and fan base, you gotta go somewhere where you're wanted.
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Like that's one of the things that the Raiders are
gonna have one. There are Raider fans that have moved
from Los Angeles, and there are Raider fans all over,
and the Raiders are much more of a brand, all right,
And there's there's kind of a coolness to the counterculture
to the Raiders. Right before there was m m A.
M M A fans were Raider fans, right or even
m m A fans now are Raider fans. They just
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are like the Raiders kind of have a thing to them, right,
Like the black Hole is kind of like people get
dressed up like it's Halloween and dudes on weekend furlough
spend all their all of their time going to Raider games.
So the Raid and the Raiders are going to Vegas
where I know they're getting a hockey team, but let's
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be honest, nobody really cares, right, But Vegas has been
like somebody, just somebody tell us you love us, Please,
somebody tell us you love us, that you want to
stay here. You don't just want to come here for
three days and throw a bunch of money at strippers.
At that the Spearman rhino, right, and the Raiders like,
we'll stay, we love you that every game, everything they
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do once they the second they get they land at
McCarron Airport and they stick their flag in the ground.
Everything the Raiders will do will be hyped beyond belief.
In Sin City, it just will. I think you actually
could have had that in Orange County, Like Orange County
has been this like don't tell anybody, it's way better
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than l A Like, right, like the traffic isn't bad,
no crime, the schools are better, right, you still have
you have you have. You have the same oceans, you
have the same mountains, you got all the same stuff,
but you just don't have all the l A stuff. Right.
Had had the charges said like, hey, look, Bill is
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the stadium in Orange County which there was talk of,
you would have had some of the bleed over in
terms of value of the market from l A. And
you would have had you would have had people throwing
their arms around you is no one calls no one
like says out loud. I live in Orange, I love
Orange County. They just don't. The Angels don't do it,
and they've been here forever. I actually think that's the
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misstep that said. I think they can score points and
among things that win fan bases winning number one, number two?
Do I want to watch you play? Will you score points?
No one wants to watch three yards in the cloud
of dust unless you you win. But if you lose eight, hey,
it was a good time. All right, Let's get to
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what's the story of the moment. Chris Sheridan UH, who
has written about and covered hoops UH for over twenty
five years. Worse for Sheridan, hoops dot com NBA source
said today This will be Lebron's final season in Cleveland.
He has one leaving relationship with owner is beyond repair. Uh.
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Rick Rick Buker tweets out worth, noting in light of
Lebron's comments about Donald Trump, calves owner Dan Gilbert reportedly
donated seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to his inauguration.
Remember this is Lebron James at King James tweeting, Hayte
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has always existed in America. Yes, we know that, but
Donald Trump has just made it fashionable again. Statues has
nothing nothing to do with us now, So this comes this.
This is not necessarily as much about basketball as much
as two people who cannot coexist. That's it. Here's what's
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crazy about it. Okay, I read a story whether there's
a a couple who are getting divorced about over you
know one uh having dinner with Donald with Donald Trump.
I'm telling you, like this Lebron thing. If if the
straw that broke the camel's back is Dan Gilbert donated
money to Lebron to Donald Trump's inauguration. Lebron found out
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about it, and Lebron was super piste. Plus you have
the Charlottesville thing. And all of the missteps by the
White House afterwards. He would not be the first, he
will not be the last. Ask your friends who are married,
ask your friends how many of their friends, or just
ask yourself, have you lost a friendship over this presidential seat?
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Over the presidential election? I guarantee you have lost one.
I guarantee it. It is the most polarizing topic in
the history of polarizing topics. It is the embraced debate
of all debates to be embraced. Like if you if
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you were pro Trump and your neighbor was pro Hillary,
I'm guessing that at some point you are not friends anymore.
And if it didn't occur during the election season, it
probably occurred during the last week. And so do I
believe that that is part of it. Damn right. I
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believe it's part of it because I know people who
they're like, how could you vote for that dude? And
I know people who are how could you vote for her?
I can't believe. I can't look at you the same way,
And it really is amazing. It's amazing, and in many
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ways I actually think what Lebron saying without kind of
thoughtfully articulating it is true. I mean the truth is that, Look,
Nazis are repulsive. They just are. I mean, who celebrates
who celebrates the Nazis killed ten million people, six million Jews?
(29:06):
All right? So they are they are, and any symbol
of them is in fact repulsive. Um. And I have
always believed that the Confederate flag is similarly repulsive. It's
not the same, okay, but there's some similarities to it.
And as much as it it might bring pride if
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you're white from the South in terms of historic culture,
think of the hurt it brings to somebody else. You're like, yeah,
I could probably do without it. Um. But there have
been Nazis and white supremacists have marched before. They will
continue to have their organized marches. Like this hasn't changed.
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What has changed is and look, some of this is
the time which we live in social media and also
people being able to find out about these protests and
rally and anti protest, the protest and the viciousness of it.
And you know, some people come armed and that puts
every everybody's antenna's up, and the police are already there
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and they have to protect organized protesters. That's part of
our First Amendment rights. Now you have the right to organize, okay,
But these things have actually existed before, and they've always
been repulsive. It's just the way in which the rhetoric
that comes out of it and the way in which
it's handled from the top has changed. And some of it,
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I'm sure is our perception of it, but a lot
of it is the reality of has changed. So that's
where I'm telling you though, that there's a lot of
things that have caused this soon to be divorced between
Lebron James and Dan Gilbert. Right the comics sands the
fact that the fact that Dan Gilbert never Dan Gilbert,
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though he tried, I had to do everything Lebron wanted
in terms of empowering Lebron and Lebron's people. It just
was a it was a relationship which had gone bad.
They had gotten divorced before, and they tried to get
back together for the kids. In this case, the kids
is the Cleveland and Akron and Northwest Ohio. And then
that's just that never ever works. But I have friends
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that are struggling in their relationships with their significant other
because their significant other is a pro or anti Trump person,
Like this is a huge thing and it's the It's
completely believable to me that at least a portion of
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what will drive Lebron out of Cleveland is the fact
that Dan Gilbert donated seven fifty dollars to the inauguration
of Donald Trump. To anybody like, no way, all right? Sure, okay.
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I mean one of the reasons that I think the
polling polls were off was because there was a sense
for people who supported Donald Trump that if they said
they were going to support Donald Trump, they would be
made out to look or feel like racists. And they
didn't know what wanted to say it. And yet when
they got behind the covering of a booth, then they
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made that selection. And so it made it really hard
for posters, who by and large have gotten things right
over the last century with the same process, could not
get it right because they could not factor in. And
the reason that people wouldn't say it is because it
is that divisive. I've never seen anything like this in
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my life, right, I mean, the only thing that I
think it equals it is like it's like when people
say good luck winning the abortion debate, right, you're trying
to be the first person ever to win the abortion debate.
You're never You're never going to win it. Because if
you're pro life or pro choice and you try and
talk to somebody from the other side, that you're just
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you're not gonna you can have a thoughtful conversation. You're
walking away liking the other person. Less you're gonna try
and have a thoughtful conversation about the president or about
why you shouldn't have voted for the president, You're gonna
walk away and you'd be like, that person is an idiot.
I cannot deal. I cannot do business. I cannot and
for Lebron James, I cannot make money for a guy
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who's gonna donate money. I I totally think that's part
of this. Now it makes sense. Now it makes sense.
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Dez Bryant was asked about the National Anthem protest. Whatever
they got going on with them, that's them. I don't
really have nothing to say about that. That's Bert John Maschota.
He's joined us previously from the Alsmore News covers the team.
So are you a Stark says gosh darn. Only she
didn't say gosh darn shut up. I like you as
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at des Bryant. Wait wait, she told him to shut up,
and he said he had nothing to say about that.
So does tweets back, which is the big mistake, right,
don't quote me on nothing. Y'all ask me about it.
And I wasn't in the mood to talk about it,
not saying I don't care about it. Somebody named Zoe
Well f des Bryant. Des Bryant, honestly, John John's the reporter,
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put out the quote, you need to take this BS
down because you know how it looks. I'm focused on
football right now. Somebody name rise Up. You don't know
you don't think something's wrong with your job if you
can't speak your mind or stand for what you believe in, Bro,
it's the wrong places from Dez Bryant and time to
be talking about that. I care about my black people
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at the same time, I have a family. All right.
Here's the thing, kids, Okay, and this is very very important.
Imagine if it's your job, you went in somebody says, hey, Jim,
do you have that report for me? I do, But
you know what F Donald Trump? There, I said it. F.
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Donald Trump is like, yep, do you have the report? Like, yes,
I do, but first I want to take like no, no no, no, no,
this is a place of business. And this is kind
of one of the things that's lost. Okay. I appreciate
and respect anybody's desire to get their point across to
where they're willing to sacrifice their job, their time more
(35:45):
than any of their time. Alright, Like the reason most
of us aren't as politically active, let's just be honest,
is it's time as a time sucker. It really is,
because what do you do if you have a political cause,
Like what's the best way to like you to go
knocking door to door and having conversations with people? First,
a lot of people suck. You don't actually really want
to meet them, you know, you knock him on your door,
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knock on the doors. Like one of the things about
about morn missionaries, like I respect him. I'll have a
conversation and sometimes an awkward time like look, I'm just
going to the house. I just I just I'm just
going to get some milk, Like my wife just sent
me to get some milk. Like, dude, I'm sorry but
I do respect that. You know, you've been walking up
and down the streets trying to preach what you believe
is to be the gospel. Like, I respect that. But
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just because you're willing to sacrifice your time and time
is in fact might doesn't mean I am like, not
only do you have the right to have political discussions
in this country, you actually have the right to say nothing.
You got a right to go Like, you know what,
I just I don't have the time or the energy
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or the desire right now to engage. I'll leave it
to people who do. And some people who are smarter
than me, and some people were dumber than me. Like,
we're to this point to where you're like, well, there
are a portion of people who if you speak out
about your political beliefs, stick to sports. And if you
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stick to sports, well then you're not saying enough. You
don't somehow care. You know, there's a substantial anti Semitic
movement in parts of Europe. It bothers me. My parents
grandparents Jewish. I raised my kids mm hmm, sort of
(37:36):
a sort of uh, we don't necessarily raise them in
any one religion, but they are Jewish. It's bothersome do
you think Fox Sports Radio, for even one moment wants
me to talk about that? Because and if I don't
that I don't care about Judaism, I don't. I don't
talk about it time and place, time and blaze, Like
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you don't think I'm bothered by like Nazis. Yeah, you
say Nazis and you start throwing a swastick around and
I started thinking, like, these have to be the dumbest
human beings on earth. Forget about what they did to
Jewish people, what they did to anybody else who stood
in their way, Like, look what happened to them. They
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lost so but but that's not that's not time or place.
And just because I don't speak about it doesn't mean
that it's not important to me and doesn't mean that
you're not allowed to speak out about it yourself or
tweet about it or whatever. But yeah, I mean you're
putting a guy like and and as much. And I
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love des Bryant. We went to the the same university and
unfortunately got suspended for the remainder of his what became
his final season at Oklahoma State. And I think he's
evolved very much as a person um. But like, do
I want do I think des Bryant is a great
person to articulate all of the trials and tribulations of
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a black man in America. I don't know. I don't
know if that's a great form to put him in.
I don't know if that's the best. And he seems
to like I don't want I just don't want to.
Guy doesn't want to talk about it. If you want
to talk about it. It's different than when I conduct
an interview with somebody. And for example, we had Hunter
Henry on like, if I want to ask you about
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the offense with the new coaching staff, Like, that's a
reasonable question, that fits why we're here, why you'd want
to hear from. But if I want to ask Connor Henry, like,
who you've been dating? What do you think of Charlotte's
What do you think of Charlotte' Field? What the done?
Like Donald Trump said, like, dude, I want no part
of that. That's what he would say, I want no
part of that. And that doesn't mean he doesn't care.
That doesn't mean he is not a a sympathetic person,
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an empathetic person. That's not That doesn't mean that he
doesn't have political believes He just like, hey, I my
job is to play football, and that takes the discussion
away from football and it takes too much energy weight
like it takes it is exhausting. Think about this, Um,
I don't know what you're listening to the show. You
can listen to show anywhere in America. First two hours
(40:08):
you can catch on next m this hour you can
catch on your on many of your philips. I know
we're on in Austin now. I believe we're coming up
on in Phoenix as well. Think about how much energy,
Like when the election was over and you were whether
you're on Twitter, you are all watching CNN, you're watching
Fox News, you're watching MSNBC, whatever one of these channels
you're watching, think about exhausting that was whatever side of
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the political divide you were on. And then think of now,
like you're a professional athlete. All these dudes got do
is they come out, they practice, and they go on
the film and then they lift and they eat and
they go back into film and then they work out
and then they practice and then they like that's all
they do. They're hamsters on a wheel, Like, hey, I
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want you to take some of your time and summer
energy and give me a thoughtful discussion and give me
a thoughtful comment on charl the field virgin into which
you don't really know about I don't really know about.
Maybe you watch the vice thing on Twitter or online
or on Facebook or whatever, but that doesn't necessarily give
you a whole perspective on exactly what you should say,
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Like I just I don't want to engage. It takes
away from my job and right now, like the best
and by the way, the best chance to have a
huge platform for any of these athletes is to perform
well in football and then you're able to give speeches
outside of the world of football. That that's actually what
many of these NFL teams have said to their players privately.
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They haven't said don't talk about it or don't protest.
They said, like, is that the best way to get
your message across? You know, if you think that's the
best way you go for We're not gonna stop you.
But the best way is win a bunch of games
and then you go on the banquets circ can you
go on TV? You go on Fox or ESPN or
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CBS or NBC, UM and then you make your statement
because then you're a Super Bowl champion making the statement.
A Hall of Fame player making a statement. Think about
the power of what la Dainian Tominson said there in
his Hall of Fame speech. The Damian Thominson has been
a political his his whole life, even his post football career,
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Like he hasn't been out there protesting or making his
political statements. Don't but what he what he gave us,
and go back on Facebook or go online and watch
this really powerful he gave me. I told him this.
I saw. I ran on the Damian Thominson on Sunday
at the Charger game and he was up in the
local CBS booth. Dan Fouts and Spirit to Spirit is
a very good friend of mine. We broadcast games together
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and say turning games together. He invited me up. I
brought my son up at halftime and LT came by
and LT was on our show. I think last week
we started talking about his speech and I said, hey, man, listen,
I wanted to tell you what you did and why
it was so powerful to me, Like um, like people
don't know like my there's never been not a forum
to tell my family story, Like my family story is
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be cool? Great grandparents coming over on the boat. What
my grandpa did in order to make money to become
an accountant, and became an accountant, to be a card dealer,
and how he made himself into a very wealthy man.
Like all of those things are amazing parts of it's
not really a forum to it. And as you told
a story about your great great grandpa parents that I
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didn't realize, like I didn't realize the generations that had
come on the boat. I don't start to think about
how you get your last name of the person who
owned your family and then you end up living on
that land and your parents worked and family worked on
that light like that to me that it didn't blow
my mind. It gave me a different perspective on your
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story that I could not have appreciated had you not
had time and the platform to articulate it. And you
picked the perfect time to do so. Um. But all
of that was because he had waited till the right
moment and the right platform arm and prepared himself for
the right way of presenting his feelings about a racial
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divide in their country. I thought it was magnificent, and
I don't think that's what Dez Bryant is necessarily saying.
But I do think we can give Dez Bryant the
benefit of the dabt of Like, hey man, I just
want to play football and I didn't have my best
season as a pro. I got hurt two years ago.
Like I just I gotta be the best des I
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can be. And I can't engage on the Ezekiel discussion.
I don't want to engage on the Charlotte's Field discussion.
I just want to engage on the Dez Bryant, how
I'm feeling, how I'm doing. Uh, Dak Prescott is my
quarterback discussion, and from there all things, all of their
discussions are possible. I think that's reasonable
This is the best of the dun Gottlieb Show on
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Radio from sunny southern California, even sunnier, cooler Calmer, I
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(00:21):
A Chargers training camp. That's right, the Bolts are back
and now they're in the seven one four. They will
play in the two one three and they will be
on the radio throughout the hour. We'll be bringing over
some San Diego Chargers UH and try and catch up
with this team. That that has been much discussed. Even
the lack of fan attendants at the stub Hub Center
(00:43):
has been discussed. Philip Rivers coming off a turnover prone year,
or their inability to close games, which it looked like
they were close to turning the corner last year getting
Joey Bosa back after the hamstring injury and the the
elongated holdout, they could not get over the hump. They
made a coaching change, they made some interesting draft picks,
but of the two teams in Los Angeles, UH, they
(01:06):
are far and away more prepared on the offensive side
of the football to compete. Unfortunately, They're in the a
f C West, a very very competitive division. So we'll
talk some Bolt football live from their training camp throughout
the afternoon. I can only tell you that San Diego
is an incredible city. Uh. This is fifteen minutes from
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where I grew up. Ten minutes actually took me twelve
from where I live. And I think the only thing
better than Coasta Mesa than San Diego is the Newport
Mesa area. So it's not like you have to feel
bad for the Chargers players moving or Philip Rivers making
the drive uh to a place to which they have
to acquire some new fans and move into a new
(01:49):
market before they move into the l A market in
the coming years. But that's not the discussion point of
the day. In sports, we continue to react to Ezekie
Elliott and now now it's starting to get really really ugly,
and there there's but they're unlike unlike the political discussion
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to which I don't think there's two sides to it.
There are two sides to this discussion, and part of
it is the historic context of any sort of sexual salt,
any sort of violence against women, and what tends to
happen to the accuser. There's a there's a bravery to
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to going through with your accusations, because, as we've seen
in the past, in legitimate UH cases of sexual AsSalt
or physical AsSalt on women, the accuser is often put
on trial. Right, That's what we we've been told. Additionally, Additionally,
if the accuser of for example, domestic violence comes out
(02:58):
and opens up the door to what's going on behind
closed doors, the person that they're with stands to lose
the substantial amount of money and it hurts their livelihood.
I mean, look at Jena Rice for example, right. Remember,
Jenney Rice didn't nest, didn't want to pursue this thing.
And the reason she didn't want to pursue what ends
(03:18):
up happening to Ray Rice was because of what happened
to Ray Rice the video came out, he was out
of the NFL, never to return, and even though he's
repented for his sins, it doesn't matter. And Jenney Rice,
who did nothing wrong, ends up being a victim, doubly
so because she's married to Ray Rice. There's still very
(03:40):
much together, but he can't find a job in the NFL.
And that video is the biggest reason why it's not
the only reason why, but the biggest reason why. So
Tiffany Thompson is the accuser's name in this UH Ezeki
Elliott deal and earlier today, UH it was really east
(04:00):
that the woman who accused Dallas Cowboys stars Zeki Elliot
of domestic violence submitted to NFL investigators of having a
text exchange in which she discussed leveraging sex videos featuring
her and Elliott for money from the player, according to
documents obtained by Yahoo's Sports. In it, she says, what
if I sold mine and Ezekiel's sex videos? Her friends said,
(04:23):
we all be millionaires. We could blackmail him with that.
Thompson says, I want to brow The friend says, let's
do it. Thompson said scared. Friends says shoot. Only she
didn't say shoot. Friends said I'd be like, look, give
me ten k, or I'll just sell the sex videos
for the same amount flat me and my friends trying
(04:44):
to go on vacation get boob jobs ten k. I
want twenty k. Now. Part of part of the problem
with text meshes One they live forever. Two we cannot
understand even if you p L O L are you
put a smiley face? We don't know what level of
truth there is to that, But the biggest thing is
(05:05):
we can't. We don't know tone, we don't know our
is and does this in any way relate to the accusations.
There's also text message between he between she and a
friend where she tells her friend what to say to
police and to tell them that he was dragged she
was dragged out of the car, even though another friend
(05:26):
said she was not dragged out of the car. My
my takeaway is that, look, these ugly details come out.
This is a pattern of why so many women will
not come out and accuse people of domestic violence. It
all just should be pointed out that why it's not
just a it's not just a simple case. And the
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court of law is different than the court of public
opinion is different than the court of the National Football League,
And the National Football League has said, Look, she may
be a liar, she may have eyed about other things,
but the fact is that she had bruises, and there's
enough evidence there to think that at some point during
their time together, during a specific time period, he lays
(06:11):
laid hands on her. And we cannot put ourselves in
the position to which we can't pursue this we can't
suspend you for this, and that's the difference between the
court of law and what the NFL is operating with it.
Right have has has who has this leaked information? Created
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reasonable doubt? Absolutely, but it's also the pattern of why
women don't come out and it You also could make
the case that though she she may have coerced her
friend into embellishing on part of the story, and she
may have discussed blackmailing Ezeke Elliott on another part of
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the story. The main thrust of the story is did
he ever lay hands on her? And that's it, and
that's all we should be discussing. Did he or didn't
didn't he? Period? As for the sex tape, Uh, this
is one of those millennials and like, look, there's a
movie even called sex Tape, right? Did anybody watch the movie?
(07:15):
Was it any good? It was the idea that a
husband and wife right record a sex tape, it's safe
to the cloud, and then all of a sudden, on
iPads in their house. Everybody got everybody got the cloud
and everybody. I didn't see the movie, but I understand it.
And it's basically why any sort of parent knows, any
sort of parent knows, um that that is not that's
(07:37):
why you don't want to be on the cloud with
your kids. The answer is millennials all have these, all
of them. We'll get to that upcoming. We can't get
my man a chair, Like, what is going on? All right?
Joey bos is gonna join us in mere moments here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Uh as uh as he
(07:57):
sits down out of practice and we're here live at
at charges Camp Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. So
last year you didn't get to fully participate because of
the contract situation and of course hurt your hamstring and
then had an outstanding rookie season. What's it been like
for you so far? Having the full allotment of time
(08:19):
with your teammates, with the new coaching staff, It's been
great an important to bet we miss to get better
as a as a player and a team. Um, I
mean after going through Ohio State camps, this is it's
it's kind of cake compared to compared to what college
used to be. So it's been a good experience. Wait,
(08:40):
so college camp Ohio State was more difficult than this.
Of course, two days are the worst. You know that
you know they don't They elimitated two days right after
you left, right of course. Yeah, so it's until so
it's so it's very very different. Um uh, you guys.
You guys took on the Seattle Seahawks. Obviously the ones.
You guys are out there for a very short period time.
You gotta stop, you gotta feel gave up only field goal.
(09:00):
Your ones went down and scored a touchdown beforehand. You
guys have gone back seeing the tape. How do you
think you played in your first preseason game? I thought
I played well. Um, I think the whole first team
played really well. But it's a team and we're grading
it as a team, and we as as a whole
didn't play it anywhere where we needed to play. So
we're just season this week to get ready for next
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week and really or this Sunday and really show what
we can do, because I don't think Sunday was a
I was I was there. I went downhill in a
hurry like yep, seventy three and then a couple of
couple of crazy turnovers and all of a sudden it
became a blowout in the in the second half. Joey
Bosa joining us Andygo Chargers second year night. Now you're
(09:45):
a vet, but it's been it's been so wild, right.
You had you had to hold out, you had the injury,
you had the season, you had all those crazy close
losses where you felt like the game was gonna be one,
and then you had the coaching change and then the
franchise moves for you. Do you have like do you
have the stability you desire? Like it's it's gotta be
weird to go in it with so many moving parts.
(10:07):
Do you feel stable now as a member of the Chargers. Yeah,
I mean, it's definitely been a crazy year, all the
things you're talking about, Um, but I've always been felt
stable as a Charger. It's been smooth for me. Um,
it's easy. My family and everybody helps take care of
a lot of things around me, so I could really
focus on one thing, and that's football and being the
best I could be on the field. So it's it's
(10:30):
really hasn't been too bumpy of a ride. There was
a lot of talk when you were drafted. There was like,
well he's a four three guy, it's a three four,
and the Charges like, look, we're you're in four down
linemen defensively time anyway, And of course it took a
while till we saw you. When we saw you, you
easily assimilated to the NFL. What about this defensive style,
new coaching staff, new style. How are you going to
(10:53):
be used differently than you were used last year? It's
not too different. Um, like you said, seventy percent of
the time we were in that sub package for three defense,
So it's really not too too big of a change.
I think it it fits our guys really well. And uh,
we've been executing the defense really well this camp. So
that was the big question coming out whether I could
(11:14):
play three four an hour back to for three? Here
is can I play for three? So it's really just
isn't your job? Don't you just have one job? Anyway?
Go tackle the quarterback, get the ball? Pretty much for you,
Joey posted joining us up. What about Ohio State this year?
There's a lot of a lot of talk this year.
Last year, super young squad after you and all those
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guys went pro. Kind of surprised people really got the
college football playoff. What you're taking the buck eyes in
the likelihood they get back to the college football play well,
I'll have to wait and see for the first couple
of games. But I'm just excited to watch my brother play.
I think we'll get a lot of time out there
this year, and uh, I'm always excited to watch them play.
So well, I can't make any predictions just yet. All right,
(11:58):
So look Orange count For people who don't know, it's
only maybe an hour up the road from San Diego,
but it's it's different. Uh, you feel uncomfortable yet, Like,
do you have your spots? You got your place you
go for your for your protein shakes, you get in
the place you go to get your haircut. Do you
have your spots yet? Oh? No, because we've been pretty
much in the hotel since since we got here, so uh,
(12:19):
I really haven't got out and seen the town at
all since I've since I've been here, I've been to
my house in the hotel. Really the only two spots
I've been to yet. Anthony Lynn he's never been a
head coach before. So when you first met with him,
what was your impression? Um? Where did I first meet
with him? I think we were doing something in l
a h and I just we we had a quick
(12:40):
word and right away I thought he'd be what we needed. Uh.
Every time I'm asking about him, I say, the most
important thing that he brings his accountabilities, making guys take
accountability for their actions, which there wasn't a lot last year.
There are a lot of pointing fingers and his fault,
his fault, never pointing at yourself and saying what you
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can do better? But he's he's kind of forcing that
upon the whole team. Is that why you guys lost
so many close games? Um? I mean there's a there's
a lot of factors to I think losing those two
injuries to you know, giving up late. I don't know,
but we're living on the next year. Okay, so, but
but help me out with that. Because you had been
a part of a program. I mean the thing about
Urban Myers teams and your National championship team for example,
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you found a way to win games that you should
have lost. Like, that's the whole thing with the house.
Anybody's ever watching who State? You know, you even go
back to when Jim Trust was there, when they were
the luck eyes are like how do they win that game?
And then you come to a pro team and it
was like the opposite for that that stretch of like
seven weeks where you would find a way to lose
games that you should win. What is that emotionally a
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guy who's as invested in winning as you are, what's
that like to be a part of? Yeah, I mean
it was. It was definitely tough coming in, but I
feel like at Ohio State, nobody on the team ever
believed that we were going to lose. So that's that's
why we could always fight and pull through in those tough,
close games in the fourth quarter. But uh, I mean
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there were some feelings around around the team last year
when we'd get up and we'd go into the third
quarter like, oh no, here we go again. But I
don't know, it was. It was tough to start, but
I love my team and I'm I'm excited to be here.
You played at stub Hub. It's a it's the smallest
place in the NFL. Right, Yeah. What's it like though,
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to play on that fields? I mean, did you like
would you like? It was a cool? Yeah? I liked it.
I mean it was it was full at least, so,
I mean the eight plays I was out there, it
was it was fun. I'm sure it'll be rocking during
the regular season. Eight plays, That's that's it's got to
be like the easiest, definitely pretty weird to warm up
and get ready and then you go out there for
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two series. So how much are you gonna play this week? Um,
we don't really know yet more but not too much,
all right. Joey Bosa joining us. Joey, best of luck
in your second year. Love to go out there and
watch you play. You know you got a bunch of
autographs asigned as much for being a part of the show.
All right. Joey Bosa of the of the l A
Chargers joining us here on the Doug Gotlip Show. More
bolts to come coming up? Are the Charges actually ready
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to fight for l A? There's this we gotta fight
for l A. We gotta beat the Rams. But maybe
more importantly, Raiders made the playoffs last year. Broncos have
one of the elite defenses, and of course the Cancery
Chiefs do as well as uh as. All three are
playoff favorites to go against in that division. That's six
difficult games in arguably the most difficult division in the NFL.
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Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
We're joined by Keenan Allen, who, of course star wide
receiver for the Chargers, and I say star because everyone
knows when healthy, he is a star in this league.
But that's a when healthy. So first question I think
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everybody wants to know is how is your health. That's great,
it's going good. Um. Off seasons and amazing. Rehab was amazing,
Training camp is going amazing. Right now. I'm feeling good,
I know, but this is this has been like another year,
another rehab. I mean internally that there has to be
a little bit of a I can't believe I've been
so unlucky so many times. Yeah, definitely, man Um, definitely disappointing. Um,
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like you said, when I'm out there, I try to
make as many places I can. I can do it
when I'm out the field, though, So definitely striving to
be on the field. All right, So Keena down and
you're back out in the field on Sunday in the
game against the Seattle Seahawks. Check me through kind of
the mentality of being out there. Wanted to show that
you're back, that you're and yet also you know, guarding
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against you want God forbid, you want anything to go wrong?
How do you go through that? Um, it's it wasn't
really in my mind. Um, I was playing unconsciously as
far as injury and UM, you know, just trying to
stay football minded and do what I do on the field.
So Mike Williams obviously is the star rookie drafted first round. UH,
yesterday the report was likely to see him in October
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come back from a from from a back. I was watching,
you know, Kelvin Benjamin had that was an eighty nine
yard catching run and people throw from Kevin Clemmens. I
think that was in the late first quarter. I mean
he obviously can take the top off a defense. We
know that you can get You know, you can be
a double digit catch guy every game. Obviously you have
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um Antonio who caught the touchdown pass on the opening drive.
You have Hunter Henry who's going to be an elite
tight end. Like it seems like you have a lot
of weapons. UM, give me your sense of this group.
And they got Melvin in the backfield and out of
the backfield. Give me your sense of this group as
of now, and then how it will evolve when Mike
gets healthy. I think it's gonna be great. Man. Um,
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like you said, we have a lot of weapons, so
and everybody can be used differently, everybody can play different positions. Um,
So bringing my considered thing is just gonna add another
a big plate threat. He definitely a ball getter, and um,
you know, when the ball is in the air, I
definitely believe it's his. It feels like kind of the
game plan. And again, this is where kind of Layman's
game plan is. You have you know, Mike Williams is
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a big but big play deep ball down the field
wide receiver, same thing with Calvin Benjamin and then allows
to open up the middle of the field for guys
like you and guys like Hunters. Is that kind of
generally the way it works? Um? So I mean for
your ideal team probably, Yeah. You definitely want to have
some deep threats. You want to have some guys who
can run into media routes, and you just want to
have some ballers. So I feel like we got it
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all I do. How is this offense? You know, Whizzes
back working working with the offense, something he did a
couple of years ago in San Diego. How is this
offense different from last year's offense. Um, we added Mike Williams. Yeah,
that's that's I mean in terms of schematically thematically, I think, well,
the year that we had last year running, I think
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that's gonna be more aggressive on the ground. Let let
Melvin actually go get two thousand this year. UM, keep
him on the field, to keep him healthy. Let's go
get two thousand, and then it's just gonna open up
more passing the yards, the big and I know, I
hate to start with the negative with the with the injuries,
but the other thing and then look, I'm a city
with Charger fans, so I felt the pain just like
any other fan. The last couple of years have been
ridiculous in terms of the number of the litany of injuries,
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not just you, but in the interior in the offensive line. Um,
how how do you? Is there any way to protect
against that? Is there anything like you guys were doing
too much of and practice? It's something in training like
how did I've I've never seen the volume of injuries
that you guys had over the last two years. How
do you protect against that? Um? It's hard to say. Man,
we we wake up and don't go go balls out
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all day long. Um, we do what we're supposed to do,
weight room, off the field, rehab and all stuff like that,
and then, um, I guess just part of the game.
You've obviously played in some great environments. It feels like
StubHub can be something really unique, really special. Right. It's
it's like not thirty thousand seats and it's gonna be full.
You played there on Sunday. What's your thoughts on what
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it's gonna be like next two years for the Charge.
I think it's gonna be great, man. I think it
could be loud. As long as we're we we got
everything popping on all our Cylanders, offense, defense, special teams.
I think it could be loud and definitely supportive. So
there's this big fight for l A thing, right, that's
the that's the deal, fight for l A supposed So like,
how do you how do you win the fight for
l A? Win games? That's what I thought. It's just
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very simple win games. Yeah, but you have to like
change the rims on your car. Do you have to do?
You have to you know, do do something. You guys
have to do something to capture the l A mentality.
This is like an orange County mentality is different than
the l A mental l A mentality. I guess just win,
I'm going off of l A Lakers type. I don't
think about the Clippers when there. That's exactly what it is.
You don't want to be the Clippers to this time.
You want to be the Lakers and the first one
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to be the Lakers to the town owns the team
right has has nothing to do with anything else. You're good,
You're ready for a great season, all right. So if
I'm a fantasy owner, do I go all in on
keenan Outen? Most definitely? Every even last year, still go
all in, go we go. I'm just I just you
need to make the sale to people on I think
the sale is made. It's just a can you put
(20:55):
some water on me? So I keep growing good enough?
This year? How joining us Fox Sports Radio has the
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the I Heart Radio app. You know I could fix
this whole thing, by the way, this whole marketing campaign
with the Chargers right fight for l A. Why are
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you fighting for l A? They should have fought for
Orange County. They should have been the Orange County Chargers.
It's weird, it's it's it's it's really really interesting to
me what happens when um in in real estate? Right,
it's location, location, location, Like three things established the value
of your home. Location, location, location. And the reason that
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the Angels who are located in Orange County call themselves
the Los Angeles Angels of Great Orange County or whatever
instead of the they used to be the Anaheim Angels
is because of the value in the branding of Los Angeles.
Now the Angels are not in l A. No one
in l A thinks they're in l A. Like no
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one in their right mind would believe that the Angels
are a Los Angeles bace team. Now, the difference is
that the Charges will actually play in Los Angeles County,
not just this year playing it what's called the StubHub
Center where the l A Galaxy call home, but then
in future years playing at the rams uh the rams
Co owned facility, right, which is in Los Angeles. But
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to me, like you know and I understand that the
value of the franchise will skyrocket once they're in l A.
And that's what happened with the Clippers, right, The Clippers
don't own the arena. They didn't own the arena, and
they don't even own the town and they owned zero banners,
and yet they were sold for a billion dollars above valuation. Now,
part of it was the timing of it and how
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quick that sale was made. And he had Steve Baumber
who had money to burn and he just burned through
it and just threw a bunch of cash. So he
but the reason he threw a bunch of cash and
paid more for it was the Clippers were in l
a and that was the value to him. But in
you know, in building kind of a thing and a
present and fan base, you gotta go somewhere where you're wanted.
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Like that's one of the things that the Raiders are
gonna have one. There are Raider fans that have moved
from Los Angeles, and there are Raider fans all over,
and the Raiders are much more of a brand, all right,
And there's there's kind of a coolness to the counterculture
to the Raiders. Right before there was m m A.
M M A fans were Raider fans, right or even
m m A fans now are Raider fans. They just
(23:26):
are like the Raiders kind of have a thing to them, right,
Like the black Hole is kind of like people get
dressed up like it's Halloween and dudes on weekend furlough
spend all their all of their time going to Raider games.
So the Raid and the Raiders are going to Vegas
where I know they're getting a hockey team, but let's
(23:46):
be honest, nobody really cares, right, But Vegas has been
like somebody, just somebody tell us you love us, Please,
somebody tell us you love us, that you want to
stay here. You don't just want to come here for
three days and throw a bunch of money at strippers.
At that the Spearman rhino, right, and the Raiders like,
we'll stay, we love you that every game, everything they
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do once they the second they get they land at
McCarron Airport and they stick their flag in the ground.
Everything the Raiders will do will be hyped beyond belief.
In Sin City, it just will. I think you actually
could have had that in Orange County, Like Orange County
has been this like don't tell anybody, it's way better
(24:27):
than l A Like, right, like the traffic isn't bad,
no crime, the schools are better, right, you still have
you have you have. You have the same oceans, you
have the same mountains, you got all the same stuff,
but you just don't have all the l A stuff. Right.
Had had the charges said like, hey, look, Bill is
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the stadium in Orange County which there was talk of,
you would have had some of the bleed over in
terms of value of the market from l A. And
you would have had you would have had people throwing
their arms around you is no one calls no one
like says out loud. I live in Orange, I love
Orange County. They just don't. The Angels don't do it,
and they've been here forever. I actually think that's the
(25:10):
misstep that said. I think they can score points and
among things that win fan bases winning number one, number two?
Do I want to watch you play? Will you score points?
No one wants to watch three yards in the cloud
of dust unless you you win. But if you lose eight, hey,
it was a good time. All right, Let's get to
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what's the story of the moment. Chris Sheridan UH, who
has written about and covered hoops UH for over twenty
five years. Worse for Sheridan, hoops dot com NBA source
said today This will be Lebron's final season in Cleveland.
He has one leaving relationship with owner is beyond repair. Uh.
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Rick Rick Buker tweets out worth, noting in light of
Lebron's comments about Donald Trump, calves owner Dan Gilbert reportedly
donated seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to his inauguration.
Remember this is Lebron James at King James tweeting, Hayte
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has always existed in America. Yes, we know that, but
Donald Trump has just made it fashionable again. Statues has
nothing nothing to do with us now, So this comes this.
This is not necessarily as much about basketball as much
as two people who cannot coexist. That's it. Here's what's
(26:49):
crazy about it. Okay, I read a story whether there's
a a couple who are getting divorced about over you
know one uh having dinner with Donald with Donald Trump.
I'm telling you, like this Lebron thing. If if the
straw that broke the camel's back is Dan Gilbert donated
money to Lebron to Donald Trump's inauguration. Lebron found out
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about it, and Lebron was super piste. Plus you have
the Charlottesville thing. And all of the missteps by the
White House afterwards. He would not be the first, he
will not be the last. Ask your friends who are married,
ask your friends how many of their friends, or just
ask yourself, have you lost a friendship over this presidential seat?
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Over the presidential election? I guarantee you have lost one.
I guarantee it. It is the most polarizing topic in
the history of polarizing topics. It is the embraced debate
of all debates to be embraced. Like if you if
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you were pro Trump and your neighbor was pro Hillary,
I'm guessing that at some point you are not friends anymore.
And if it didn't occur during the election season, it
probably occurred during the last week. And so do I
believe that that is part of it. Damn right. I
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believe it's part of it because I know people who
they're like, how could you vote for that dude? And
I know people who are how could you vote for her?
I can't believe. I can't look at you the same way,
And it really is amazing. It's amazing, and in many
(28:38):
ways I actually think what Lebron saying without kind of
thoughtfully articulating it is true. I mean the truth is that, Look,
Nazis are repulsive. They just are. I mean, who celebrates
who celebrates the Nazis killed ten million people, six million Jews?
(29:06):
All right? So they are they are, and any symbol
of them is in fact repulsive. Um. And I have
always believed that the Confederate flag is similarly repulsive. It's
not the same, okay, but there's some similarities to it.
And as much as it it might bring pride if
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you're white from the South in terms of historic culture,
think of the hurt it brings to somebody else. You're like, yeah,
I could probably do without it. Um. But there have
been Nazis and white supremacists have marched before. They will
continue to have their organized marches. Like this hasn't changed.
(29:50):
What has changed is and look, some of this is
the time which we live in social media and also
people being able to find out about these protests and
rally and anti protest, the protest and the viciousness of it.
And you know, some people come armed and that puts
every everybody's antenna's up, and the police are already there
(30:11):
and they have to protect organized protesters. That's part of
our First Amendment rights. Now you have the right to organize, okay,
But these things have actually existed before, and they've always
been repulsive. It's just the way in which the rhetoric
that comes out of it and the way in which
it's handled from the top has changed. And some of it,
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I'm sure is our perception of it, but a lot
of it is the reality of has changed. So that's
where I'm telling you though, that there's a lot of
things that have caused this soon to be divorced between
Lebron James and Dan Gilbert. Right the comics sands the
fact that the fact that Dan Gilbert never Dan Gilbert,
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though he tried, I had to do everything Lebron wanted
in terms of empowering Lebron and Lebron's people. It just
was a it was a relationship which had gone bad.
They had gotten divorced before, and they tried to get
back together for the kids. In this case, the kids
is the Cleveland and Akron and Northwest Ohio. And then
that's just that never ever works. But I have friends
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that are struggling in their relationships with their significant other
because their significant other is a pro or anti Trump person,
Like this is a huge thing and it's the It's
completely believable to me that at least a portion of
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what will drive Lebron out of Cleveland is the fact
that Dan Gilbert donated seven fifty dollars to the inauguration
of Donald Trump. To anybody like, no way, all right? Sure, okay.
(32:03):
I mean one of the reasons that I think the
polling polls were off was because there was a sense
for people who supported Donald Trump that if they said
they were going to support Donald Trump, they would be
made out to look or feel like racists. And they
didn't know what wanted to say it. And yet when
they got behind the covering of a booth, then they
(32:26):
made that selection. And so it made it really hard
for posters, who by and large have gotten things right
over the last century with the same process, could not
get it right because they could not factor in. And
the reason that people wouldn't say it is because it
is that divisive. I've never seen anything like this in
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my life, right, I mean, the only thing that I
think it equals it is like it's like when people
say good luck winning the abortion debate, right, you're trying
to be the first person ever to win the abortion debate.
You're never You're never going to win it. Because if
you're pro life or pro choice and you try and
talk to somebody from the other side, that you're just
(33:07):
you're not gonna you can have a thoughtful conversation. You're
walking away liking the other person. Less you're gonna try
and have a thoughtful conversation about the president or about
why you shouldn't have voted for the president, You're gonna
walk away and you'd be like, that person is an idiot.
I cannot deal. I cannot do business. I cannot and
for Lebron James, I cannot make money for a guy
(33:28):
who's gonna donate money. I I totally think that's part
of this. Now it makes sense. Now it makes sense.
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(33:49):
Dez Bryant was asked about the National Anthem protest. Whatever
they got going on with them, that's them. I don't
really have nothing to say about that. That's Bert John Maschota.
He's joined us previously from the Alsmore News covers the team.
So are you a Stark says gosh darn. Only she
didn't say gosh darn shut up. I like you as
(34:12):
at des Bryant. Wait wait, she told him to shut up,
and he said he had nothing to say about that.
So does tweets back, which is the big mistake, right,
don't quote me on nothing. Y'all ask me about it.
And I wasn't in the mood to talk about it,
not saying I don't care about it. Somebody named Zoe
Well f des Bryant. Des Bryant, honestly, John John's the reporter,
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put out the quote, you need to take this BS
down because you know how it looks. I'm focused on
football right now. Somebody name rise Up. You don't know
you don't think something's wrong with your job if you
can't speak your mind or stand for what you believe in, Bro,
it's the wrong places from Dez Bryant and time to
be talking about that. I care about my black people
(34:57):
at the same time, I have a family. All right.
Here's the thing, kids, Okay, and this is very very important.
Imagine if it's your job, you went in somebody says, hey, Jim,
do you have that report for me? I do, But
you know what F Donald Trump? There, I said it. F.
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Donald Trump is like, yep, do you have the report? Like, yes,
I do, but first I want to take like no, no no, no, no,
this is a place of business. And this is kind
of one of the things that's lost. Okay. I appreciate
and respect anybody's desire to get their point across to
where they're willing to sacrifice their job, their time more
(35:45):
than any of their time. Alright, Like the reason most
of us aren't as politically active, let's just be honest,
is it's time as a time sucker. It really is,
because what do you do if you have a political cause,
Like what's the best way to like you to go
knocking door to door and having conversations with people? First,
a lot of people suck. You don't actually really want
to meet them, you know, you knock him on your door,
(36:07):
knock on the doors. Like one of the things about
about morn missionaries, like I respect him. I'll have a
conversation and sometimes an awkward time like look, I'm just
going to the house. I just I just I'm just
going to get some milk, Like my wife just sent
me to get some milk. Like, dude, I'm sorry but
I do respect that. You know, you've been walking up
and down the streets trying to preach what you believe
is to be the gospel. Like, I respect that. But
(36:30):
just because you're willing to sacrifice your time and time
is in fact might doesn't mean I am like, not
only do you have the right to have political discussions
in this country, you actually have the right to say nothing.
You got a right to go Like, you know what,
I just I don't have the time or the energy
(36:50):
or the desire right now to engage. I'll leave it
to people who do. And some people who are smarter
than me, and some people were dumber than me. Like,
we're to this point to where you're like, well, there
are a portion of people who if you speak out
about your political beliefs, stick to sports. And if you
(37:10):
stick to sports, well then you're not saying enough. You
don't somehow care. You know, there's a substantial anti Semitic
movement in parts of Europe. It bothers me. My parents
grandparents Jewish. I raised my kids mm hmm, sort of
(37:36):
a sort of uh, we don't necessarily raise them in
any one religion, but they are Jewish. It's bothersome do
you think Fox Sports Radio, for even one moment wants
me to talk about that? Because and if I don't
that I don't care about Judaism, I don't. I don't
talk about it time and place, time and blaze, Like
(38:00):
you don't think I'm bothered by like Nazis. Yeah, you
say Nazis and you start throwing a swastick around and
I started thinking, like, these have to be the dumbest
human beings on earth. Forget about what they did to
Jewish people, what they did to anybody else who stood
in their way, Like, look what happened to them. They
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lost so but but that's not that's not time or place.
And just because I don't speak about it doesn't mean
that it's not important to me and doesn't mean that
you're not allowed to speak out about it yourself or
tweet about it or whatever. But yeah, I mean you're
putting a guy like and and as much. And I
(38:43):
love des Bryant. We went to the the same university and
unfortunately got suspended for the remainder of his what became
his final season at Oklahoma State. And I think he's
evolved very much as a person um. But like, do
I want do I think des Bryant is a great
person to articulate all of the trials and tribulations of
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a black man in America. I don't know. I don't
know if that's a great form to put him in.
I don't know if that's the best. And he seems
to like I don't want I just don't want to.
Guy doesn't want to talk about it. If you want
to talk about it. It's different than when I conduct
an interview with somebody. And for example, we had Hunter
Henry on like, if I want to ask you about
(39:26):
the offense with the new coaching staff, Like, that's a
reasonable question, that fits why we're here, why you'd want
to hear from. But if I want to ask Connor Henry, like,
who you've been dating? What do you think of Charlotte's
What do you think of Charlotte' Field? What the done?
Like Donald Trump said, like, dude, I want no part
of that. That's what he would say, I want no
part of that. And that doesn't mean he doesn't care.
That doesn't mean he is not a a sympathetic person,
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an empathetic person. That's not That doesn't mean that he
doesn't have political believes He just like, hey, I my
job is to play football, and that takes the discussion
away from football and it takes too much energy weight
like it takes it is exhausting. Think about this, Um,
I don't know what you're listening to the show. You
can listen to show anywhere in America. First two hours
(40:08):
you can catch on next m this hour you can
catch on your on many of your philips. I know
we're on in Austin now. I believe we're coming up
on in Phoenix as well. Think about how much energy,
Like when the election was over and you were whether
you're on Twitter, you are all watching CNN, you're watching
Fox News, you're watching MSNBC, whatever one of these channels
you're watching, think about exhausting that was whatever side of
(40:32):
the political divide you were on. And then think of now,
like you're a professional athlete. All these dudes got do
is they come out, they practice, and they go on
the film and then they lift and they eat and
they go back into film and then they work out
and then they practice and then they like that's all
they do. They're hamsters on a wheel, Like, hey, I
(40:53):
want you to take some of your time and summer
energy and give me a thoughtful discussion and give me
a thoughtful comment on charl the field virgin into which
you don't really know about I don't really know about.
Maybe you watch the vice thing on Twitter or online
or on Facebook or whatever, but that doesn't necessarily give
you a whole perspective on exactly what you should say,
(41:13):
Like I just I don't want to engage. It takes
away from my job and right now, like the best
and by the way, the best chance to have a
huge platform for any of these athletes is to perform
well in football and then you're able to give speeches
outside of the world of football. That that's actually what
many of these NFL teams have said to their players privately.
(41:34):
They haven't said don't talk about it or don't protest.
They said, like, is that the best way to get
your message across? You know, if you think that's the
best way you go for We're not gonna stop you.
But the best way is win a bunch of games
and then you go on the banquets circ can you
go on TV? You go on Fox or ESPN or
(41:55):
CBS or NBC, UM and then you make your statement
because then you're a Super Bowl champion making the statement.
A Hall of Fame player making a statement. Think about
the power of what la Dainian Tominson said there in
his Hall of Fame speech. The Damian Thominson has been
a political his his whole life, even his post football career,
(42:16):
Like he hasn't been out there protesting or making his
political statements. Don't but what he what he gave us,
and go back on Facebook or go online and watch
this really powerful he gave me. I told him this.
I saw. I ran on the Damian Thominson on Sunday
at the Charger game and he was up in the
local CBS booth. Dan Fouts and Spirit to Spirit is
a very good friend of mine. We broadcast games together
(42:38):
and say turning games together. He invited me up. I
brought my son up at halftime and LT came by
and LT was on our show. I think last week
we started talking about his speech and I said, hey, man, listen,
I wanted to tell you what you did and why
it was so powerful to me, Like um, like people
don't know like my there's never been not a forum
to tell my family story, Like my family story is
(43:00):
be cool? Great grandparents coming over on the boat. What
my grandpa did in order to make money to become
an accountant, and became an accountant, to be a card dealer,
and how he made himself into a very wealthy man.
Like all of those things are amazing parts of it's
not really a forum to it. And as you told
a story about your great great grandpa parents that I
(43:21):
didn't realize, like I didn't realize the generations that had
come on the boat. I don't start to think about
how you get your last name of the person who
owned your family and then you end up living on
that land and your parents worked and family worked on
that light like that to me that it didn't blow
my mind. It gave me a different perspective on your
(43:43):
story that I could not have appreciated had you not
had time and the platform to articulate it. And you
picked the perfect time to do so. Um. But all
of that was because he had waited till the right
moment and the right platform arm and prepared himself for
the right way of presenting his feelings about a racial
(44:06):
divide in their country. I thought it was magnificent, and
I don't think that's what Dez Bryant is necessarily saying.
But I do think we can give Dez Bryant the
benefit of the dabt of Like, hey man, I just
want to play football and I didn't have my best
season as a pro. I got hurt two years ago.
Like I just I gotta be the best des I
(44:28):
can be. And I can't engage on the Ezekiel discussion.
I don't want to engage on the Charlotte's Field discussion.
I just want to engage on the Dez Bryant, how
I'm feeling, how I'm doing. Uh, Dak Prescott is my
quarterback discussion, and from there all things, all of their
discussions are possible. I think that's reasonable
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Doug Gottlieb
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