October 30, 2017 • 46 mins
Doug reacts to game 5 of the World Series and explains why he's convinced the baseball has to be juiced. He also wants people to cool it a bit on the DeShaun Watson hype. Plus, Pro Bowl running back DeAngelo Williams joins the show to talk about the players' reaction to Texans owner Bob McNair's comments on "inmates running the prison".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Dog Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, coming to you live and direct from
the City of Angels where those of us who I
don't know anybody didn't stay up and watch the game.
It's one of those things. If you're in the if
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you're in the Pacific time zone, you didn't watch the
World Series last night, I'm not sure we can be friends.
I'm really not. Matter of fact, we're not gonna be
if your excuse was I was watching the football game.
What an incredible sports weekend. I'm gonna get to the
World Series and what I am absolutely like we are.
I am not falling for the banana. The tailpipe again
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may go falling open in the tailpipe. I'm just not
get to that in a moment. Things that the World Series,
that the Seattle Houston game, I guess that the protests that,
um yeah, but those are the even the Cowboys Redskins game.
Those things because they happened last and because the baseball
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game was so stinking crazy crazy, I'm not sure we'll
have time to discuss Jim mcullaine's out as head coach
of Florida. This is like a week removed from supposedly
receiving death threats that he never apparently received. But wait,
there's more. Penn State completely and thoroughly dominates for three
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quarters Ohio State only two get super super tight and
get outscored nineteen to three in the fourth quarter. In
Ohio State wins in the shoe. That gets overshadowed. Um,
we have a couple of debilitating injuries in the National
Football League, one in which a player UH has been
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very dangerously close to losing his leg, that gets overshadowed
because of what we had last night. Um, it will
be called the greatest baseball game people have ever seen.
I don't know if I have the bandwidth to to
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describe all the great games or whatever. It was ridiculous,
but I have to point out that I am not
going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe again.
Something is wrong last night. With all the home runs hit,
With all the home runs hit, there have now been
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more home runs hit in this World Series than any
World Series outside of the two thousand two World Series. Now,
though I don't have the bandwidth to discuss not mid
nine nineties World Series when I was playing basketball in
high school, or playing basketball in college, or playing basketball overseas,
I do have the bandwidth to talk about two. Two.
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Why is that, you say, because that was won by
my Angels, and it was against Barry Bonds who was
on steroids. It was before testing, and oh yeah, by
the way, it went seven games, this went five, it's
gone five games. Oh yeah, by the way. I'm not
accusing any specific Angel, but go and look at the
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Angels team picture and you're like, damn, those dudes weren't
working out. And look at their years and there's this, uh,
there's a there's an interesting number of career years with
Angels who their careers fell off once they started testing
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in oh three after three. Now, I do not believe
that there is steroid use or massive steroid use in baseball.
Two reasons maybe three. First is, there'd be such incredible
damage to the American psyche if we finally fell back
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in love with the long ball only to be duped
by players juicing again. Um, and I do think Rob
Manfred knows that. I think he knows that, and I
think the players know that. Secondly, there's testing. And while
you may say, look, there was testing when Lance Armstrong
was doing what he was doing. There's testing when this
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guy and that guy. I know players in Major League
Baseball who in the last three months of the season
we're tested seven times, some for blood, some for urine.
I believe the testing process to be legitimate. And third
though these guys appear to be big and strong, we
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don't have the freak shows we had back before they
were steroid testing. So some of it's my eyes, some
of it's a sense of baseball can't sully the reputation
they struggled to rebuild, and some of it is just
the basics of, hey, look they really really test in baseball.
But there were more home runs than ever this year
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in the sport. And while you can tell me that
they've just changed your swing path a hundred and ten
years of baseball and only now they've discovered you know,
if you change your swing path, all of a sudden,
balls just start flying out of the yard. I watched
last night and ya C L. Puig, who hadn't been
able to break wind with his with his swing, hits
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a home run that's on the outside part of the plate.
He one hands it and pulls it down the line.
To a home run, and like some of it is
that joke of a ballpark that they play in Houston.
It's a joke for a myriad of reasons. First of which,
the dome only needs to be closed when it needs
to be closed, and last night it didn't need to
be closed. Secondly, down the line in left field, come on, dude,
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in addition to having a train go through a place
you got people right on top. And then that one
guy who stole the ball from his buddy's wife who
caught a home run ball. The dome doesn't need to
be closed. It's too tight down the line, and it's
pretty obvious that once you get in the air to
left field it flies out. Yael Puis home run tells
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the story that is hooked down into the corner. It's gone.
It is a one run game, to run home run
by plague and it's twelve eleven. I want to say
this about Joe Buck. There are there are people that
like to make a living on criticizing Joe Buck. You
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are all collective idiots. Idiots. Okay, you might not like
Joe Buck. You you may be jealous of the fact
that Joe Buck's dad was a great announcer, so that
helped him get her foot into the door in being
in an for himself. But Joe Buck and John Smoltz
were as good a broadcast team as there has ever
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been in a World Series, ever, last year, ever, last night. Ever.
He is that good. And you know what, if I
was that good, I might come across a little a little,
a little arrogant sometimes too, because he delivered when needed
on the goods. He was great right back to that.
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I ain't fallen for the banana tail pipe again. I
remember being in college during the McGuire Socia deal and
everybody was just in love, right, and we're seeing them
at home runs, and my buddies, we were college athletes.
We knew what creating and major body looked like. We
knew with steroids and and other stuff major bodies look like.
And we were like, yeah, no way, but everybody just
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kind of a long for the ride. Hey man, long balls,
home runs, it's awesome. And then we realized it was
all kind of a ruse. Human body is not capable
of hitting those that umber of home runs, that distance
of home run you watched last night. I mean, look, look,
the Clayton Kershaw thing is Clayton Manning was in full
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effect last night. He had a four nothing lead, he
was a hundred and one one wins, one loss, when
his team had scored four runs of run support. He
had a four nothing lead and a seven to four lead.
So I'm not blaming the baseball, but I'm blaming the baseball.
And I'm trying to ask myself, can I go along
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with the fact that it's an incredibly intriguing World Series,
but it's not really baseball because it's pretty obvious that
those balls are choosed. Dallas Kaiko, who pitches for the Astros,
said as much. And when you watch the balls fly
out of the yard at that sort of pace with
coming off those kind of bats, you're like, something main right,
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something right. I can still enjoy it. I can still
say these are the two best teams. But it's also
ruining the reputation of Clayton Kershaw as much as Dave
Roberts is ruining the reputation of Clayton Kershaw. Like, let
him finish the damn inning, all right, you walk two guys.
If he's really a competitor, let Clayton Kershaw nut up
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and get two guys out. Don't go to Kent and
Mata who had a ball, who pitched, who had a pitch?
That ball didn't land. Yet there's so much to get
to with the game. So I guess here's the thing.
I don't think, well, no, I think I think the
balls are juiced. I think the balls are juice. I
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think the balls are loaded. And I don't know how
it comes to be, but this has been whispered throughout
baseball circles all year. Something's up at the baseball They
feel different, they fly different, they are in fact different.
Jose Canseco one Twitter last night, did you guys see
that jose Canseco quote from his Twitter account? The balls
in my pants have less juice in them than the
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balls in this game. Who would have thought? Jose Canseco
brings both levity and honestly to this. So I'm not
trying to to diminish the Astros like I. If the
Astros don't win this thing, I'd be stunned. Now only
they win. Last night, they come back several times over
and then gag away a three run lead in the
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top of the ninth inning and still with it and
get to Kenley Jansen again, which makes me look like
a genius because I went to use Kenley Jansen in
Game one. As sure as hell want to use them
on Saturday night when you didn't need him. You don't
need to use them all the time. But it's just
what we do. No, it'd be smarter than that. There's
a lot to get to, the fact that this is
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a marathon, not a sprint. Dave Roberts completely forgot that.
The fact that you always leave the hand the ball
in the hands of your competitive starting ace pitcher instead
of reliever. The fact that you can't always take a
player's word for Brandon Morrow said he was ready. The
only thing he was ready to do was turn around
because he had six pitches. He gave up four runs.
There's a lot to get to. I'm not trying to
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diminish the Astros. I'm telling you though, If you don't
think those balls are loaded, ask anybody in baseball or
just open your damn eyes, because I believe that going
along with was going like, no, they're just changing the
swing path. That is to steal from Beverly Hills cop
that's fallen for the banana and the tailpipe again. And
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the Astros got Verlander going in game six. Oh. Who,
by the way, the Dodgers could have had they went
after you, Darvis instead. Oh, how you doing today, Ramas?
I'm alive? Um, can you appreciate Here's I guess here's
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the three questions, the two questions I'm struggling with. Can
you appreciate the game if you know the baseball is loaded?
Can you appreciate the game considering your team lost and
it was a devastating way to lose. Yes, and yes, yeah,
I'm all in on the Astros being a really, really
good team. I respect all baseball teams that are that
go out there in compete and the ball is flying
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out at a large margin. But more for the Astro
I think they have like four runs. I just don't
have like five or six. Well, that that's the crazy
I mean, this is just the craziest thing ever is
if you look at last night's box score, the Astros
only had fourteen hits and scored thirteen runs. Like that's
that's in And I know they scored the final run.
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And say, oh, by the way, Dave Roberts, Hey, if
you have a guy in left field who cannot throw
a baseball from short left field to home plate, you
know you're allowed now you're allowed to substitute players in
for defensive reasons. You're actually allowed to move them around
the diamond. Your center fielder was playing second base. You
can put Andre E, your a left hander, at second base,
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considering you have the shift on how you can put
him in first base. But whatever the hell you want,
you can't put him in the outfield if you can't
throw it from left field short left field to home.
I mean, look, I don't think ah a Hinge just
managing doing I think he's awful. They're both not good.
But Dave Roberts going like oly, look the spreadsheet said
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this is what we should do. Oh and I like
Dave Roberts. But man, was he awful last night? Awful.
So we'll take some of your calls throughout the show.
Eight seven, seven nine nine m. Fox Ramos Music. Dan Buyer,
who loves knows a ton about baseball and uh Dan
of course hosts the Fantasy Show, which um is on
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Sunday mornings, does a great shot. Well, we'll we'll dive in,
we'll talk about all the little intricacies up based because
it was incredible. It's incredible game. I could not go
to sleep even afterwards. I was so energized by it.
The fact that a guy named Derek Fisher scored the
winning run is of course, Derek Fisher always scores. The
winning runner, always hits the winning shot, ran like Matt
Barnes is chasing him. Was incredible. Be sure to catch
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live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Let's welcome in former Brave Star,
four time All Star Tim Hudson, who joins the show
here on Fox Sports Radio fresh off an incredible night
major League Baseball, and Timmy, I don't want to pollute
the waters in your mind. Um, I just want to
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get your thoughts on what you saw Game five in Houston. Hodey.
When I say Game five as somebody who has one
a World Series, as somebody who has been a part
of some of the great teams in baseball, what's your reaction.
I'm gonna tell you what, man, that was. That was
an unbelievable game last night. Um, you know, Kershaw and
Kiko going head to head. You know, who'd ever thought
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that the score would ended up thirteen? Well, but you
know what a tremendous series this has been. I mean
it's been it's been so entertaining for the fans and
um for me having teammates on both teams. It's just
it's been a lot of fun to watch. And I'm
excited that, Um, you know, some of my former teams
are gonna win a World Series. I don't know which
one is gonna be. Um, you know, I think obviously,
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I think now though you know, the vantage may make
way towards Houston, espacially with bern Lander on the mound
next game. So it's exciting. Man's it's a it's a
heck of a serious No, it's it's incredible. Um, look,
I believe, I truly, honestly believe the players are not juiced. Okay,
I believe because I have friends they are. Like, look, dude,
I was tested seven times. They test my blood test.
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I believe the players aren't choosed, all right, So let's
take that off the table. You have the bats or
you have the balls. Uh, something's amiss because like, like, look,
I know, yes, Clak strong, but he takes a pitch
of the outside part of the plate and one hands
it to left field and and I know that's a
little bit of a short porch and there's a little
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bit of a little bit of a launching pad effect
or whatever. But come on, man, there's just too many
home runs this year to not think that something's up,
either with the bats or the balls. What what's the what?
Where are you in? The balls are loaded? Camp? You know,
I don't know. I mean I can't. I can't say
one way or another. I do know this, I I
can tell you that players are a lot stronger, and
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I know hitters are are a lot better than they were,
you know, you know, ten even five years ago. Um,
you know, my last few years in baseball, you know,
just looking over another dugout and seeing how young these
guys were, but but not only seeing how young they were,
how how polished they were as hitters. You know, the
approach that they had, um, you know, the discipline that
they had to play. I just, honestly, I mean, I
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don't know. I mean I can't speak to the baseballs
or the bats, um. But I do know that the
game is more challenging for pictures. Um. You know. But
but having said that, I mean, in my opinion, I
think good pitching is still gonna be good hitting just
because if you have a frontline guy up there on
the plate on the mound and he's making his pitches
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and he's rested and he's feeling strong, Um, you know,
he's gonna he's gonna dominate a ball game. You know,
you're gonna cut Clayton Kershaw up there with uh you
know where where he's feeling strong and making his stuff.
I mean, he's gonna he's gonna to dominate the lineup.
I haven't said that. You know, if you have pitching
that's going out there and they're a little more fatigued, um,
you know the velocities, you know, a tick or two down,
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their location is not quite what it is whenever they're
feeling fresh and and and then I think the hitters,
you know, they can there. They have the ability to
take advantage of something like that, And I think that
might be what we're seeing right now. How do you
join us, said Tim Hudson of course at two two
wins as a as a four time All Star World
Series champ of members and I'll come back play of
the Year. Back in the two thousand ten Tim Hudson
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joining us on the Doug got Lip show here on
Fox Sports traded. Let's get into Kershaw. Um he had
he had changed some of the narrative of him as
a post season picture against the Mets. Going back, I
was at the last last year, two years ago. Uh.
And then of course Game one, he was spectacular. He
had a four nothing lead, with a four run lead,
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Clayton Kershaw, it was a hundred and one coming to
the last night, had afore nothing like already could have
before nothing lead didn't stand up. Then he has a
seven to four lead and he walks the first two
batters steps aside, and Myda gives up, gives up a
three run home run. Uh. In your mind, what's gone
wrong for what went wrong for Clayton Kershall last night?
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You know, it's hard to say. I know that. You know,
when it was forward to nothing, I thought the ball
game was over, honestly. I mean I just thought that
he looked really sharp up to that point and was
feeling like he was on top of his game. And
you know, he just gave the the Houston lineup just
a little bit of you know, he cracked the door
open for him just a little bit and and let
him back in the ball game. Just to touch, they
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started feeling a little more confident at the plate. And
then obviously the one anyone who came out there was
at the fourth end. And when he came out and
walked the first two guys, um, you know that for me,
that was you know, that was kind of the backbreaker
a little bit in that ending, because you know that
guy Kershall out of the ball game, and and I
can promise you there's not a guy in that locker
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in that in that dug out in Houston. And when
they saw that manager go out there to the on
to take Clayton Kershaw out of the ball game, that
they wasn't like, all right, you know, I don't care
who you bring in out of that bullpen, He's not
gonna be as good as Clayton Kershaw. Okay. So that
that leads just that, that leads just to to to Roberts.
Dave Roberts looking his bullpen is gassed. There's no question there,
he said. Brandon Morrow picked up the phone and and
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told them we have lead back. I'm ready, I can
pitch you. Clearly didn't have anything in the tank last night.
But you know, like, look, do you in your mind
is it wasn't a mistake to take out Kershaw, who
did walk to but pitch count was under a hundred,
and your options are Kent and Mayeta who would pitch
well but didn't have gas in the tank. In your mind,
was that a mistake? Well, you know, in hindsights always,
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But you know what, as a manager, you can only
you can only go by what your what your players
are telling you. You know, if you have, you know,
bullpen guys that are telling you they're arrested, they're ready
to go, give me the ball, coach, and you know
you have your guy, your starter out there that seems
to be struggling, starting to struggle just to touch, and
you see that that lineup starting to get some little
better swings on them. You know, of course, you know
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as a manager, you're gonna you're gonna think, hope and
think that whoever you're bringing down that bullpen is gonna be,
you know, gonna be an improvement from what you have.
But you know, I don't know, man, I'm just call
me old school or what, but I just feel like, man,
you know, you your guys in your starting rotation there,
they're starters for a reason. Their starters because they're they're
supposed to be the five of the best pictures you
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have on your team. And you know, if I have
a guy like Clayton Kershaw or Madison bum Garmer or
you know, John Smoltz or whoever, you know, if they're
out there on the mound and you know they tell
me that they're good to go, I'm gonna god, I'm
gonna trust my I'm gonna trust my horse as long
as I can. And um, you know it should be
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you know, taking the ball out of Clayton Kershaw's hand
should be one of those where it's just like it's
kind of a last resort sort of thing in my
in my opinion. But um, but you know what, like
I said, man, you can only go by what your
bullpen guys are telling you. And and uh, you know,
they thought that they had some guys in the point
in the bullpen ready to go out there and make
some pitchers and get some ounts, and you know, just
it wasn't the case. Um. You know, my Ada came
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in and gave up the you know, the big homer
right there that got him back in that ball game.
And you know, once they once they hit that homer
in that stadium went crazy and that dugout what nuts.
I mean it was it was talking about a switching momentum.
It was. It was something that the Dodgers just couldn't
rebound from. It's pretty pretty amazing. Tim Hudson joining us
and Doug show, best game you've ever played? The best
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game You've ever been a part of? Like this game
I was a part of this, the best game I
ever been a part You remember, Uh, what team I've
played I've played on that I thought was the best No, no, no, no,
the best game like just individual, like you the best
game that I've that I've been a part of. Gosh,
you know what, Um, you know, one of them. It's hard,
it's hard to say, but I think you know in
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Oakland when we won our twentieth ball game in a
row against Kansas City, Um, you know, that was one
of those games where we had a big lead and
we blew it late in the game and we had
a dramatic win to win game in a row. Was
was one that's it's always seems really special for me
just being a part of that. And of course, uh
and we saw that in the movie that of course
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talked about that team and how baseball has has changed
based upon sabor metrics. Tim Hudson joining US four time
All Star, comeback Player of the Year, won a World
Series as well. Joining US, UM, you are partnering with Affleck.
You your wife Kim partnering with Affleck to fight not
just childhood cancer but also blood the help their blood
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disorders center, the affle Blood Disorders Center. Uh, take me
through this partnership. Well, you know, we got traded to
Atlanta in two thousand and five and we we we
partnered up wood would Um Affleck Cancer Center and Children's
Health Care Atlanta up here in Atlanta, and it's been
you know, it's been an unbelievable marriage for us. UM,
you know, to now you've been able to do some
really cool things and UM, you know, I'm just blessed
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to have a platform to be able to do some
some good things like this in the community. And UM,
you know what a great organization to be a part of,
the the Affleck Cancer Center. They they've done amazing things
here in Atlanta and just being able to be a
part of it. So it's truly a blessing. Um. You know,
I've been able to raise up you know, to donate
over a hundred nineteen million dollars, you know for treatment research.
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You know since so you know, Afflet Cancer Center has
been been truly committed to trying to make a difference
in these children's lives for sure. Yeah, no, and it's
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dot com. Uh. Tim, this worked at you and your wife.
I know you guys are college sweethearts. I'm my wife
and our college sweethearts rob Club and State. You guys
met at Auburn. This is great stuff you're doing. And
I really appreciate your perspective on what was an incredible
night and it's been an incredible series for baseball. But
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it has been, you know, and I can like to
encourage everyone if they could go to Affleck Childhood Cancer
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here is It's truly amazing, Honey, thanks so much for
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two time Pro bowler appenonated for running back of the
Carolina Panthers the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's D'Angelo Williams. He joins
us only here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. And uh
uh boy, D'Angelo. I was, I'm looking around and the
team that I just I think everybody had a high
host for and you warned me a little bit before
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the season, and I agree with the idea. They won
so many close games. But but the Oakland Raiders only
scoring four team points, unable to maybe the maybe it's
we should be celebrating the Bills, But my disappointing team
of the weekend is the Raiders. Who's yours. My disappointing
team is in Miami Dolphins. I can't believe a team
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can play that bad. Like I'm still trying to figure
out like what they're doing, because this team last year
was so phenomenal because it took to get the took
the game plan from the Cowboys, where we're not going
to force our quarterback to try to win games, but
we're gonna let our running game keep us in the
game and eventually help us win games. But they're not
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even handling the ball to a jail anymore. Like I'm
I'm I'm still trying to figure this out. Like why
when mat More being the quarterback, you've lost? Uh, you know,
Jake Color. We don't know when Jay Color is gonna
be back. My Unisrepinia and thing. Jake Color was the
man for the job to begin with. But then you
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have that beast as the running back said, all types
of records last year with two games back to back
to back, and then this year, like where is he?
Like are you gonna unleash him? You're throwing all these interceptions.
I mean, Baltimore deeper outscored Miami's offense. I can say
that again. No, No, it's like Miami just came out.
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They were they were awful. I mean simply awful. It's
it's hard, you know, but I guess my problem is
it's back to Thursday. Almost deleted that from my memory
because it was such a bad game. I didn't. I
didn't it so bad. They scored Saltimore scored twenty one point,
Baltimore scored twenty one points. On defense, the offense didn't
score many points for Baltimore. And everybody was all piste
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off about the Kiko Alonso hit on uh Flacco. Yeah,
as if that determined the outcome of the game. Granted,
I'm a firm believer that wasn't there to hit because
the defenders have to protect themselves because these quarterback nowadays
and they run, they want to get the lord of
shoulder and put these defenders on all types of uh
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social media memes and stuff for that nature. So I
get why Kiko went low. I mean, he didn't know
that he was gonna slide. He's protecting himself from the
scrutiny of what it is the NFL has provided for
so many defenders they get rand Oh yeah, but can't
they can't. You can't you go low while staying on
your feet. I think that my issue would be more
launching yourself, you know, to die, especially because remember Kiko,
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like a quarter before, had what's the tight end for
the Ravens who hurled him, right, So this is kind
of Keikos things. He goes and he just he goes
and launches himself at your legs, which I agree is
not technically dirty, but you're supposed to stay on your
feet and and his big mistake is he's diving into
people's legs. No, right, Well, he's not the only one
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that does that, though, the Lonbacker out of the Chandia
City Chiefs is notorious for that. Johnson he does it
all the time. That's how he makes all of his tackles.
He never like hits you high and wrap you up.
He always at your legs. The difference is he doesn't
get the scrutiny that Keiko does because Tico is we
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know he's known for it, but a lot of people
don't necessarily believe that he's known for like Johnson is.
So it's it's just it's so when people like, when
you're labeled as that type of guy, you can get
away with it. But when you're not labeled as that
type of guy, then it's an issue, especially when you
hurt somebody. Uh. It just it all goes back to
the half Flaco just got up. It has just been
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a normal play. Same thing with the Green Bay Packer
quarterback in their Rodgers. He gets up, that's just a
normal play. But because there was some level of vulnerability
and he got hurt, then it's an issue. Dasli Williams
joining us in the Doug Otlive Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. What the hell is Travis Benjamin doing? I'm like, look,
I know you're trying to make a play and he's
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a home run hitter, but to get the ball inside
the tent which said no, no, ball is going out
of bounty trains, and then to run backwards and to
get a safety, like, you gotta have a little bit
more spatial awareness, don't you to to make that? Don't
you where? What did he play a football that? Do you? No?
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I'm talking about where did he go to? What did
he play before he got to wear years? Right now?
Cleveland Browns? Right? Have they ever won anything there? No?
But i mean, like, look, he's not a He's not
he's a great return man, like I mean, this is
football want like he's a he's a great he's a
great retaire man. Because you say he had a great
return man. He retired one this year. Okay, fine, good,
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good job. He's only retired one in the last one
three or four years. I think he has more than that,
don't he He's got a couple. I mean, he's he's look,
he's a home run, he's a he's a deep threat.
He's a guy, if you give mccreeze, he can really
really run. But I mean, that's that's kind of basic
football thing, and that that severely Uh that would that
cut out their knees? They were playing pretty well, they've
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gotten to stop and awll a sudden it was two
points and then the Patriots that's five point swing that
ends up being essentially the difference in the game. Yeah,
I don't know what some of these think. I'll give
you a case in point, and I don't mean to
change the subject. But so Switzer from the Cowboys, they
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kick it off, he was expecting that was expecting their
own time kick. He didn't have any blockers. He catches
the ball, he runs to about the fifteen yard line
that he takes a knee. The commentators were like, they
were so pissed that this guy's taking that. He took
me there's like, what is he doing? Why would you
want to start at the fifteam? Why don't you fight
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for the fu already to get to the twenties, and
then the special team coaches going off on him on
the sideline. And I'm thinking, from a player's perspective, if
I'm down and this is gonna be the game winning drive,
I don't want to be the guy that makes the mistake.
And I know that nobody's blocking from me because they
thought it was an onside kick. So my chances of
costing the ball up as a player goes up exponentially
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because I don't have the blockers that I otherwise would
have had on a regular kickoff return. So he played
the smart move, business decision. But you can't make business
decisions as the rookie. And I've said this since day zero.
It's easy to be tough with another man's body. So hey,
get in there and take that hitt? What WHOA? Now? Like?
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Are we playing smart football? Are we're playing just reckless
an abandon because we have an opportunity to win this
football game now. Travis Benjamin, on the other hand, I
have no words for him, Like, I don't understand in
that situation where you got Philip Rivers tossing the rock
around the way, he's tossing the rock around too. Put
him in that situation like it was just it was
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it was interesting, especially when they haven't beaten the Patriots,
and like, all right, help me out with this. The
Houston Texans taking a knee, they're clearly frustrated at what
their owner, Bob McNair said, And what I said on
Friday was like, look, you know, I know you can
personalize it, but this is an idiom that everybody's that
I know seems to know. Right the inmates can't run
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the asylum and maids can't run the prison, and within
the contact of a private conversation Troy Vincent obviously didn't
take it in the way which intended to apologize for it.
It comes out and dudes freak out over I mean
really freak out over it. Deshaun Watson left the facility
only then come back they take a knee and protest
during the flag, which I mean, that's a You had
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to know what was going on to it to understand
the protest. As a former player, what's your takeaway from
what Bob McNair said. I I really, honestly and truly
respect bogged me Mari for saying what he said, because
in actuality, all the owners feel the same way. We've
got to make sure that we control the product, don't
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let the product control us. Totally understand that. I get that.
That's what That's been the issue or the problem since
uh inception of Colin Kaepernick taking a knee. The only
problem that I have now with the protest is is
that they've gotten away from the initial start of the protest.
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So now if anybody in the NFL does or says
anything that players don't like, they just take a nique,
which it completely takes away from what the need initially
stood for when he took it about social injustice. Now
it's it's against Trump. Now it's against Bob McNair. Now
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it's against anything that we deem uh not like right
as opposed to just said, Hey, you know, I like
the fact that the players left the facilities. They should
have just left it at that. Hey, my protest is
is I don't like the fact that our owners said
what he said. We have that right to do that,
and we also have the right to the consequences that
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uh we have to serve based on what he does
what he does, because he ultimately does sign our our paychecks.
So yes, I'll I'll give you thirty thousand dollars, I'm
gonna walk out, and I'm gonna show you that I
didn't agree with what you said. Now I can understand that,
But the whole taking the knee, it's just that's not
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that's not what this protest is about. Like now you're
taking you're taking this protest to a whole another level.
Now it's it's it's completely different. It's not about social injustice,
it is not about it's just you pisched off it
what he said. Now you have people saying, you know,
he has freedom of speech, players don't have freedom of
species taking knee. Like if you if you're for one
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and not for the other one, that means one affect
you more than the other, because both of them exhibit
freedom of speech, So you have to be all or nothing. Like, Yes,
it's okay for Bob to say what he said, and
it's also okay for the players to take a knee.
But at the same time, I've told people time and
time again that this is not one of those things
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where you take the chord and you win, like the
jury and the trial and the verdict to all be
read by the public based on ticket sales, showing up
a game. Uh, they'll make that decision or whether or
not they agree or disagree with what Bob says. So
it's not a it's not up for debate within communities
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or homes and say, hey, you know what you think
about that, what you think the punishment should be or
the punishment shouldn't be anything, because he has that freedom
of speech. That matter what how he said it or
where he said it, or when he said it, he
said it, he meant every bit of it. I was
just piste off that he apologized. Don't apologize or something
that you said. If I say something on if I
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say something on social media, if I say something that
you dug if I say something to anybody and it
hurts your feelings, if it hurts your feelings on what
I said, then that's on you. But if you took
what I said the wrong way, then I'll help you
understand what I meant by without having to apologize to you,
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because you obviously took the wrong way. But I'm not
going to apologize to something that I said because it
but that But again, that doesn't you're you're not wrong,
but that just doesn't. It's not the world. The world
in which we live in. People take things the wrong
way and they demand that you immediately apologize, which, by
the way, he already had apologized in person, and he
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is forced to apologize again. And I mean, no, no,
I know you do, but but we're dealing. Like, look, man,
we've both been in locker rooms a whole lot, Like like,
guys don't. What's what's weird to me is most athletes
I know, because of how you bust chops with other
dudes in the locker room. You don't take You're not
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ultra sensitive, you're not super, you don't over you don't
overreact to things. But it feels like everything is so
heightened now that when you when you hear something, you
automatically go to the negative. And guys are frankly overreacting
to something instead of taking a breath. Wait, what do
you mean by that? Okay, you mean the players can't
decide all the future of the business, which is the team,
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and and and hearing people out and said we just
we all overreact and demanded a media apology, and even
that appears to not be enough. Well, you also have
to understand this too, like let's not let's not be uh,
let's not being nisy to what's going on in the
world today, like social the social climate right now, anything
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that remotely resembles racism or prejudice would be pushed to
the forefront, no question. But sometimes you care. But people
assume racism when sometimes it doesn't exist, right, like within
the context of a discussion. I'll give you a case
in point, uh, Doug, And maybe this will help you
understand what I'm saying and help the listeners understand what
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I'm saying. So my battle has always been with breast
cancer and stepping out cancer and things of that nature. Right.
I had a local reporter here in Charlotte, uh many
moons ago say that the reason why I don't have
a job is because I'm a cancer in the locker room?
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Would you not say that based on what I just
told you and what my cause is? Him saying that?
Uh should that that wouldn't affect you like that? Well, no,
my dad, my dad got a cancer. But I have
not done the amount of But I remember, I remember
the pink hair, I know I know about your mom,
I know all those things. So I think it's a
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poor choice of words. I think it's a poor choice
of words, But I don't think it was a very
poor it's a very poor choice of words. So because
it was a poor choice of words, words like, I
honestly don't think he should be punished for it, uh
from an internal perspective, But I do believe that the public, uh,
the way that they react is they react by either
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showing up for the games or don't show up for
the game, don't buy jerseys. They'll be the one that
that push judgment or push punishment. Um, Bob McNair, And
I mean it's gonna come all at the at the
expense of the players. Just say I'm not buying jerseys now,
I'm not I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that.
So it ultimately is gonna affect everybody in that building.
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All I'm saying is is it was a horrible choice
of words. But he meant what he said in terms
of not letting the mmates run the prison. Do you
think he meant it in a racial way? See, I
don't know how he meant it because I don't know
the context. I don't know Bob McNett personally, so I
have no idea. But given the situation and given the
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social climate in the atmosphere that we're living in today.
He should have been very conscious of what was going
on and what threw out of his mouth. Because I
reached out to that reporter that said I was a
cancer and I said, hey, man, you know, I can
find this article very disrespectful because of what I didn't
go out. I just told him, I said, And he
went in and he changed that word. He said, man,
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I wasn't even thinking when I wrote that article, and
this is could care on a beat writer that's been
with me for nine years. Cancer. No, I know, but
but sometimes sometimes you don't think. Sometimes sometimes your brain
fart you don't even think about it. So I uh know,
so if you bright, so if you brain fart, you
don't think you should be punished for it, like in
any way because you had a brain fart and because
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you I think, I think in the social world, I
don't know. I mean, like, it's a really common expression
inmates from the asylum and it makes fround the prison whatever.
It's really I don't know, it's a really common expression.
There's a lot of there's a lot of common expressions
like if you if if you were to come out
and say, you know, you got to call a spade
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a spade. You don't think that that expression right there
means something a whole lot different than what you meant. No,
I think it. No, No, no, I under I understand
the social climate. I think the social climate is way
over way over sensitive, way overly sensitive to and and
you go like, because you could have said the tail
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it's a dog? Are you calling us dogs? Now? Like, no,
that's not you know, it's like I mean, like that
wouldn't have been taken. I completely agree, But I also
don't think it's to the point where you want to
walk out of the facility and essentially look with Dwayne
Dayne Brown called him racist. That's what he said. Well
you know what it was like he without without offering
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up that he thought he was a racist, and of
course which allows those of us that way. It was
Drayne Dwayne Brown really think this or does he think
this because he didn't get the money that he wanted
when he held out? Like, I don't know, we don't
know all these things. But I think assuming racism just
because of a guy says a very common idiom. I
think it's a really really dangerous way to a really
hard way to look your life to live your life.
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But if that, if that, if that idiom fit you,
then then is it an idiom or is he really
saying what he is he meant to say, because hit
me out when I say this, so calling us in
May from Bob McNair, a lot of people that's on
the outside looking in, fans, fans of other teams. With
the rash of UH incidents that we have in the offseason,
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I never took it as a racial thing. I just
took it as him saying that because we're get into
trouble on our own time like and we have a
rash of lock ups and and brushes with the law
that we were in makes from that perspective, black white,
green origin. I didn't we we did, we gotta go.
But I just I looked at it as employees can't
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determine the future of the business. And once you once
you do that without knowing all the different things in
the in the business landscape that are affecting the NFL's
bottom line, I think that's how you got to make decisions.
That's how I took I took him as a businessman,
but I don't know, I don't know enough about him
I don't know, you know, right, That's what I'm saying.
I don't know enough about him either. So with us
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not knowing enough about him, like it's it's tough for
us to say. But if he came out and he
said something otherwise like yeah, you knew his past and
he had some racial issues and the path, does it
change what you your perception of him about this idiom
that maybe I don't know, D'Angel, great stuff. As always,
we appreciate you joining us on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks
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Right clearly watched one football game yesterday. He actually Nick
used to do radio in Houston, so he's more invested
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in Houston than other places. And it was a great
game against Seattle where they lost to the Seahawks and
Russell Wilson led a comeback for the Hawks. Here's his
take if the whole league were free agents, if everyone,
if there's an expansion draft, NFL folds new league. Those
two guys, right, there are your first and your second
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pick of everyone. That's no disrespect to my man, Aaron Rodgers.
But he's thirty four years old, he's injured for the season.
Russell Wilson never injured for the year. DeShawn Watson plays
his biggest and best, it seems in his biggest and
best moments. Those to me are the two biggest assets
in football. Did did Carson Wentz get hit by a train?
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I wasn't? And And because Russell Wilson has not been
hurt yet, suddenly, somehow that means that Aaron Rodgers is
Aaron Rodgers is just the best quarterback we've seen in football.
Like three weeks ago, well, that's the best quarterback I've
ever seen, which is what I said actually in the
off season and remains as such. Um. I think it's
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interesting how quickly we've decided that Dak Prescott isn't that good.
I like Deshaun Watson. I think what they're able to
do with him as a rookie is fantastic. But he
did have three picks yesterday, did he not? Yeah? And
we have a small sample size yet, So while I'm
all for kind of the next generation of guy, I
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think Derek Carr is right there. I think Carson Lenz
is right there. I still think Look, I watched Tom
Brady yesterday in a clean pocket. I know he's ancient
and you might, but like dude, Tom Brady is still
an incredible quarterback. I don't know if either of those
guys will ever be Tom Brady, and neither of them
as of now or Aaron Rodgers and oh yeah, by
the way, we have a limited sample size on on
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Deshaun Watson. He's running a college offense. This is what
r G three did. There's some similarity. Tebow took the
league by storm, Vince Young took the Scott Mitchell took
the league by storm. I think de'angela that Deshaun is different.
I really do. I think he's different, but I won't
know until I have about a year and a half
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or two years of data in order to make that decision.
So it sounds really good, but I don't think anybody's
taken either of the two ahead of Aaron Rodgers and frankly,
I don't think either has taken ahead of Carson Wentz.
And that's just two of the may need to get
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the City of Angels where those of us who I
don't know anybody didn't stay up and watch the game.
It's one of those things. If you're in the if
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you're in the Pacific time zone, you didn't watch the
World Series last night, I'm not sure we can be friends.
I'm really not. Matter of fact, we're not gonna be
if your excuse was I was watching the football game.
What an incredible sports weekend. I'm gonna get to the
World Series and what I am absolutely like we are.
I am not falling for the banana. The tailpipe again
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may go falling open in the tailpipe. I'm just not
get to that in a moment. Things that the World Series,
that the Seattle Houston game, I guess that the protests that,
um yeah, but those are the even the Cowboys Redskins game.
Those things because they happened last and because the baseball
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game was so stinking crazy crazy, I'm not sure we'll
have time to discuss Jim mcullaine's out as head coach
of Florida. This is like a week removed from supposedly
receiving death threats that he never apparently received. But wait,
there's more. Penn State completely and thoroughly dominates for three
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quarters Ohio State only two get super super tight and
get outscored nineteen to three in the fourth quarter. In
Ohio State wins in the shoe. That gets overshadowed. Um,
we have a couple of debilitating injuries in the National
Football League, one in which a player UH has been
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very dangerously close to losing his leg, that gets overshadowed
because of what we had last night. Um, it will
be called the greatest baseball game people have ever seen.
I don't know if I have the bandwidth to to
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describe all the great games or whatever. It was ridiculous,
but I have to point out that I am not
going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe again.
Something is wrong last night. With all the home runs hit,
With all the home runs hit, there have now been
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more home runs hit in this World Series than any
World Series outside of the two thousand two World Series. Now,
though I don't have the bandwidth to discuss not mid
nine nineties World Series when I was playing basketball in
high school, or playing basketball in college, or playing basketball overseas,
I do have the bandwidth to talk about two. Two.
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Why is that, you say, because that was won by
my Angels, and it was against Barry Bonds who was
on steroids. It was before testing, and oh yeah, by
the way, it went seven games, this went five, it's
gone five games. Oh yeah, by the way. I'm not
accusing any specific Angel, but go and look at the
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Angels team picture and you're like, damn, those dudes weren't
working out. And look at their years and there's this, uh,
there's a there's an interesting number of career years with
Angels who their careers fell off once they started testing
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in oh three after three. Now, I do not believe
that there is steroid use or massive steroid use in baseball.
Two reasons maybe three. First is, there'd be such incredible
damage to the American psyche if we finally fell back
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in love with the long ball only to be duped
by players juicing again. Um, and I do think Rob
Manfred knows that. I think he knows that, and I
think the players know that. Secondly, there's testing. And while
you may say, look, there was testing when Lance Armstrong
was doing what he was doing. There's testing when this
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guy and that guy. I know players in Major League
Baseball who in the last three months of the season
we're tested seven times, some for blood, some for urine.
I believe the testing process to be legitimate. And third
though these guys appear to be big and strong, we
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don't have the freak shows we had back before they
were steroid testing. So some of it's my eyes, some
of it's a sense of baseball can't sully the reputation
they struggled to rebuild, and some of it is just
the basics of, hey, look they really really test in baseball.
But there were more home runs than ever this year
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in the sport. And while you can tell me that
they've just changed your swing path a hundred and ten
years of baseball and only now they've discovered you know,
if you change your swing path, all of a sudden,
balls just start flying out of the yard. I watched
last night and ya C L. Puig, who hadn't been
able to break wind with his with his swing, hits
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a home run that's on the outside part of the plate.
He one hands it and pulls it down the line.
To a home run, and like some of it is
that joke of a ballpark that they play in Houston.
It's a joke for a myriad of reasons. First of which,
the dome only needs to be closed when it needs
to be closed, and last night it didn't need to
be closed. Secondly, down the line in left field, come on, dude,
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in addition to having a train go through a place
you got people right on top. And then that one
guy who stole the ball from his buddy's wife who
caught a home run ball. The dome doesn't need to
be closed. It's too tight down the line, and it's
pretty obvious that once you get in the air to
left field it flies out. Yael Puis home run tells
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the story that is hooked down into the corner. It's gone.
It is a one run game, to run home run
by plague and it's twelve eleven. I want to say
this about Joe Buck. There are there are people that
like to make a living on criticizing Joe Buck. You
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are all collective idiots. Idiots. Okay, you might not like
Joe Buck. You you may be jealous of the fact
that Joe Buck's dad was a great announcer, so that
helped him get her foot into the door in being
in an for himself. But Joe Buck and John Smoltz
were as good a broadcast team as there has ever
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been in a World Series, ever, last year, ever, last night. Ever.
He is that good. And you know what, if I
was that good, I might come across a little a little,
a little arrogant sometimes too, because he delivered when needed
on the goods. He was great right back to that.
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I ain't fallen for the banana tail pipe again. I
remember being in college during the McGuire Socia deal and
everybody was just in love, right, and we're seeing them
at home runs, and my buddies, we were college athletes.
We knew what creating and major body looked like. We
knew with steroids and and other stuff major bodies look like.
And we were like, yeah, no way, but everybody just
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kind of a long for the ride. Hey man, long balls,
home runs, it's awesome. And then we realized it was
all kind of a ruse. Human body is not capable
of hitting those that umber of home runs, that distance
of home run you watched last night. I mean, look, look,
the Clayton Kershaw thing is Clayton Manning was in full
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effect last night. He had a four nothing lead, he
was a hundred and one one wins, one loss, when
his team had scored four runs of run support. He
had a four nothing lead and a seven to four lead.
So I'm not blaming the baseball, but I'm blaming the baseball.
And I'm trying to ask myself, can I go along
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with the fact that it's an incredibly intriguing World Series,
but it's not really baseball because it's pretty obvious that
those balls are choosed. Dallas Kaiko, who pitches for the Astros,
said as much. And when you watch the balls fly
out of the yard at that sort of pace with
coming off those kind of bats, you're like, something main right,
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something right. I can still enjoy it. I can still
say these are the two best teams. But it's also
ruining the reputation of Clayton Kershaw as much as Dave
Roberts is ruining the reputation of Clayton Kershaw. Like, let
him finish the damn inning, all right, you walk two guys.
If he's really a competitor, let Clayton Kershaw nut up
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and get two guys out. Don't go to Kent and
Mata who had a ball, who pitched, who had a pitch?
That ball didn't land. Yet there's so much to get
to with the game. So I guess here's the thing.
I don't think, well, no, I think I think the
balls are juiced. I think the balls are juice. I
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think the balls are loaded. And I don't know how
it comes to be, but this has been whispered throughout
baseball circles all year. Something's up at the baseball They
feel different, they fly different, they are in fact different.
Jose Canseco one Twitter last night, did you guys see
that jose Canseco quote from his Twitter account? The balls
in my pants have less juice in them than the
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balls in this game. Who would have thought? Jose Canseco
brings both levity and honestly to this. So I'm not
trying to to diminish the Astros like I. If the
Astros don't win this thing, I'd be stunned. Now only
they win. Last night, they come back several times over
and then gag away a three run lead in the
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top of the ninth inning and still with it and
get to Kenley Jansen again, which makes me look like
a genius because I went to use Kenley Jansen in
Game one. As sure as hell want to use them
on Saturday night when you didn't need him. You don't
need to use them all the time. But it's just
what we do. No, it'd be smarter than that. There's
a lot to get to, the fact that this is
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a marathon, not a sprint. Dave Roberts completely forgot that.
The fact that you always leave the hand the ball
in the hands of your competitive starting ace pitcher instead
of reliever. The fact that you can't always take a
player's word for Brandon Morrow said he was ready. The
only thing he was ready to do was turn around
because he had six pitches. He gave up four runs.
There's a lot to get to. I'm not trying to
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diminish the Astros. I'm telling you though, If you don't
think those balls are loaded, ask anybody in baseball or
just open your damn eyes, because I believe that going
along with was going like, no, they're just changing the
swing path. That is to steal from Beverly Hills cop
that's fallen for the banana and the tailpipe again. And
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the Astros got Verlander going in game six. Oh. Who,
by the way, the Dodgers could have had they went
after you, Darvis instead. Oh, how you doing today, Ramas?
I'm alive? Um, can you appreciate Here's I guess here's
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the three questions, the two questions I'm struggling with. Can
you appreciate the game if you know the baseball is loaded?
Can you appreciate the game considering your team lost and
it was a devastating way to lose. Yes, and yes, yeah,
I'm all in on the Astros being a really, really
good team. I respect all baseball teams that are that
go out there in compete and the ball is flying
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out at a large margin. But more for the Astro
I think they have like four runs. I just don't
have like five or six. Well, that that's the crazy
I mean, this is just the craziest thing ever is
if you look at last night's box score, the Astros
only had fourteen hits and scored thirteen runs. Like that's
that's in And I know they scored the final run.
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And say, oh, by the way, Dave Roberts, Hey, if
you have a guy in left field who cannot throw
a baseball from short left field to home plate, you
know you're allowed now you're allowed to substitute players in
for defensive reasons. You're actually allowed to move them around
the diamond. Your center fielder was playing second base. You
can put Andre E, your a left hander, at second base,
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considering you have the shift on how you can put
him in first base. But whatever the hell you want,
you can't put him in the outfield if you can't
throw it from left field short left field to home.
I mean, look, I don't think ah a Hinge just
managing doing I think he's awful. They're both not good.
But Dave Roberts going like oly, look the spreadsheet said
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this is what we should do. Oh and I like
Dave Roberts. But man, was he awful last night? Awful.
So we'll take some of your calls throughout the show.
Eight seven, seven nine nine m. Fox Ramos Music. Dan Buyer,
who loves knows a ton about baseball and uh Dan
of course hosts the Fantasy Show, which um is on
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Sunday mornings, does a great shot. Well, we'll we'll dive in,
we'll talk about all the little intricacies up based because
it was incredible. It's incredible game. I could not go
to sleep even afterwards. I was so energized by it.
The fact that a guy named Derek Fisher scored the
winning run is of course, Derek Fisher always scores. The
winning runner, always hits the winning shot, ran like Matt
Barnes is chasing him. Was incredible. Be sure to catch
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live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Let's welcome in former Brave Star,
four time All Star Tim Hudson, who joins the show
here on Fox Sports Radio fresh off an incredible night
major League Baseball, and Timmy, I don't want to pollute
the waters in your mind. Um, I just want to
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get your thoughts on what you saw Game five in Houston. Hodey.
When I say Game five as somebody who has one
a World Series, as somebody who has been a part
of some of the great teams in baseball, what's your reaction.
I'm gonna tell you what, man, that was. That was
an unbelievable game last night. Um, you know, Kershaw and
Kiko going head to head. You know, who'd ever thought
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that the score would ended up thirteen? Well, but you
know what a tremendous series this has been. I mean
it's been it's been so entertaining for the fans and
um for me having teammates on both teams. It's just
it's been a lot of fun to watch. And I'm
excited that, Um, you know, some of my former teams
are gonna win a World Series. I don't know which
one is gonna be. Um, you know, I think obviously,
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I think now though you know, the vantage may make
way towards Houston, espacially with bern Lander on the mound
next game. So it's exciting. Man's it's a it's a
heck of a serious No, it's it's incredible. Um, look,
I believe, I truly, honestly believe the players are not juiced. Okay,
I believe because I have friends they are. Like, look, dude,
I was tested seven times. They test my blood test.
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I believe the players aren't choosed, all right, So let's
take that off the table. You have the bats or
you have the balls. Uh, something's amiss because like, like, look,
I know, yes, Clak strong, but he takes a pitch
of the outside part of the plate and one hands
it to left field and and I know that's a
little bit of a short porch and there's a little
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bit of a little bit of a launching pad effect
or whatever. But come on, man, there's just too many
home runs this year to not think that something's up,
either with the bats or the balls. What what's the what?
Where are you in? The balls are loaded? Camp? You know,
I don't know. I mean I can't. I can't say
one way or another. I do know this, I I
can tell you that players are a lot stronger, and
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I know hitters are are a lot better than they were,
you know, you know, ten even five years ago. Um,
you know, my last few years in baseball, you know,
just looking over another dugout and seeing how young these
guys were, but but not only seeing how young they were,
how how polished they were as hitters. You know, the
approach that they had, um, you know, the discipline that
they had to play. I just, honestly, I mean, I
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don't know. I mean I can't speak to the baseballs
or the bats, um. But I do know that the
game is more challenging for pictures. Um. You know. But
but having said that, I mean, in my opinion, I
think good pitching is still gonna be good hitting just
because if you have a frontline guy up there on
the plate on the mound and he's making his pitches
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and he's rested and he's feeling strong, Um, you know,
he's gonna he's gonna dominate a ball game. You know,
you're gonna cut Clayton Kershaw up there with uh you
know where where he's feeling strong and making his stuff.
I mean, he's gonna he's gonna to dominate the lineup.
I haven't said that. You know, if you have pitching
that's going out there and they're a little more fatigued, um,
you know the velocities, you know, a tick or two down,
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their location is not quite what it is whenever they're
feeling fresh and and and then I think the hitters,
you know, they can there. They have the ability to
take advantage of something like that, And I think that
might be what we're seeing right now. How do you
join us, said Tim Hudson of course at two two
wins as a as a four time All Star World
Series champ of members and I'll come back play of
the Year. Back in the two thousand ten Tim Hudson
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joining us on the Doug got Lip show here on
Fox Sports traded. Let's get into Kershaw. Um he had
he had changed some of the narrative of him as
a post season picture against the Mets. Going back, I
was at the last last year, two years ago. Uh.
And then of course Game one, he was spectacular. He
had a four nothing lead, with a four run lead,
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Clayton Kershaw, it was a hundred and one coming to
the last night, had afore nothing like already could have
before nothing lead didn't stand up. Then he has a
seven to four lead and he walks the first two
batters steps aside, and Myda gives up, gives up a
three run home run. Uh. In your mind, what's gone
wrong for what went wrong for Clayton Kershall last night?
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You know, it's hard to say. I know that. You know,
when it was forward to nothing, I thought the ball
game was over, honestly. I mean I just thought that
he looked really sharp up to that point and was
feeling like he was on top of his game. And
you know, he just gave the the Houston lineup just
a little bit of you know, he cracked the door
open for him just a little bit and and let
him back in the ball game. Just to touch, they
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started feeling a little more confident at the plate. And
then obviously the one anyone who came out there was
at the fourth end. And when he came out and
walked the first two guys, um, you know that for me,
that was you know, that was kind of the backbreaker
a little bit in that ending, because you know that
guy Kershall out of the ball game, and and I
can promise you there's not a guy in that locker
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in that in that dug out in Houston. And when
they saw that manager go out there to the on
to take Clayton Kershaw out of the ball game, that
they wasn't like, all right, you know, I don't care
who you bring in out of that bullpen, He's not
gonna be as good as Clayton Kershaw. Okay. So that
that leads just that, that leads just to to to Roberts.
Dave Roberts looking his bullpen is gassed. There's no question there,
he said. Brandon Morrow picked up the phone and and
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told them we have lead back. I'm ready, I can
pitch you. Clearly didn't have anything in the tank last night.
But you know, like, look, do you in your mind
is it wasn't a mistake to take out Kershaw, who
did walk to but pitch count was under a hundred,
and your options are Kent and Mayeta who would pitch
well but didn't have gas in the tank. In your mind,
was that a mistake? Well, you know, in hindsights always,
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But you know what, as a manager, you can only
you can only go by what your what your players
are telling you. You know, if you have, you know,
bullpen guys that are telling you they're arrested, they're ready
to go, give me the ball, coach, and you know
you have your guy, your starter out there that seems
to be struggling, starting to struggle just to touch, and
you see that that lineup starting to get some little
better swings on them. You know, of course, you know
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as a manager, you're gonna you're gonna think, hope and
think that whoever you're bringing down that bullpen is gonna be,
you know, gonna be an improvement from what you have.
But you know, I don't know, man, I'm just call
me old school or what, but I just feel like, man,
you know, you your guys in your starting rotation there,
they're starters for a reason. Their starters because they're they're
supposed to be the five of the best pictures you
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have on your team. And you know, if I have
a guy like Clayton Kershaw or Madison bum Garmer or
you know, John Smoltz or whoever, you know, if they're
out there on the mound and you know they tell
me that they're good to go, I'm gonna god, I'm
gonna trust my I'm gonna trust my horse as long
as I can. And um, you know it should be
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you know, taking the ball out of Clayton Kershaw's hand
should be one of those where it's just like it's
kind of a last resort sort of thing in my
in my opinion. But um, but you know what, like
I said, man, you can only go by what your
bullpen guys are telling you. And and uh, you know,
they thought that they had some guys in the point
in the bullpen ready to go out there and make
some pitchers and get some ounts, and you know, just
it wasn't the case. Um. You know, my Ada came
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in and gave up the you know, the big homer
right there that got him back in that ball game.
And you know, once they once they hit that homer
in that stadium went crazy and that dugout what nuts.
I mean it was it was talking about a switching momentum.
It was. It was something that the Dodgers just couldn't
rebound from. It's pretty pretty amazing. Tim Hudson joining us
and Doug show, best game you've ever played? The best
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game You've ever been a part of? Like this game
I was a part of this, the best game I
ever been a part You remember, Uh, what team I've
played I've played on that I thought was the best No, no, no, no,
the best game like just individual, like you the best
game that I've that I've been a part of. Gosh,
you know what, Um, you know, one of them. It's hard,
it's hard to say, but I think you know in
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Oakland when we won our twentieth ball game in a
row against Kansas City, Um, you know, that was one
of those games where we had a big lead and
we blew it late in the game and we had
a dramatic win to win game in a row. Was
was one that's it's always seems really special for me
just being a part of that. And of course, uh
and we saw that in the movie that of course
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talked about that team and how baseball has has changed
based upon sabor metrics. Tim Hudson joining US four time
All Star, comeback Player of the Year, won a World
Series as well. Joining US, UM, you are partnering with Affleck.
You your wife Kim partnering with Affleck to fight not
just childhood cancer but also blood the help their blood
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disorders center, the affle Blood Disorders Center. Uh, take me
through this partnership. Well, you know, we got traded to
Atlanta in two thousand and five and we we we
partnered up wood would Um Affleck Cancer Center and Children's
Health Care Atlanta up here in Atlanta, and it's been
you know, it's been an unbelievable marriage for us. UM,
you know, to now you've been able to do some
really cool things and UM, you know, I'm just blessed
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to have a platform to be able to do some
some good things like this in the community. And UM,
you know what a great organization to be a part of,
the the Affleck Cancer Center. They they've done amazing things
here in Atlanta and just being able to be a
part of it. So it's truly a blessing. Um. You know,
I've been able to raise up you know, to donate
over a hundred nineteen million dollars, you know for treatment research.
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You know since so you know, Afflet Cancer Center has
been been truly committed to trying to make a difference
in these children's lives for sure. Yeah, no, and it's
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I know you guys are college sweethearts. I'm my wife
and our college sweethearts rob Club and State. You guys
met at Auburn. This is great stuff you're doing. And
I really appreciate your perspective on what was an incredible
night and it's been an incredible series for baseball. But
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it has been, you know, and I can like to
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two time Pro bowler appenonated for running back of the
Carolina Panthers the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's D'Angelo Williams. He joins
us only here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. And uh
uh boy, D'Angelo. I was, I'm looking around and the
team that I just I think everybody had a high
host for and you warned me a little bit before
(24:40):
the season, and I agree with the idea. They won
so many close games. But but the Oakland Raiders only
scoring four team points, unable to maybe the maybe it's
we should be celebrating the Bills, But my disappointing team
of the weekend is the Raiders. Who's yours. My disappointing
team is in Miami Dolphins. I can't believe a team
(25:03):
can play that bad. Like I'm still trying to figure
out like what they're doing, because this team last year
was so phenomenal because it took to get the took
the game plan from the Cowboys, where we're not going
to force our quarterback to try to win games, but
we're gonna let our running game keep us in the
game and eventually help us win games. But they're not
(25:24):
even handling the ball to a jail anymore. Like I'm
I'm I'm still trying to figure this out. Like why
when mat More being the quarterback, you've lost? Uh, you know,
Jake Color. We don't know when Jay Color is gonna
be back. My Unisrepinia and thing. Jake Color was the
man for the job to begin with. But then you
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have that beast as the running back said, all types
of records last year with two games back to back
to back, and then this year, like where is he?
Like are you gonna unleash him? You're throwing all these interceptions.
I mean, Baltimore deeper outscored Miami's offense. I can say
that again. No, No, it's like Miami just came out.
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They were they were awful. I mean simply awful. It's
it's hard, you know, but I guess my problem is
it's back to Thursday. Almost deleted that from my memory
because it was such a bad game. I didn't. I
didn't it so bad. They scored Saltimore scored twenty one point,
Baltimore scored twenty one points. On defense, the offense didn't
score many points for Baltimore. And everybody was all piste
(26:30):
off about the Kiko Alonso hit on uh Flacco. Yeah,
as if that determined the outcome of the game. Granted,
I'm a firm believer that wasn't there to hit because
the defenders have to protect themselves because these quarterback nowadays
and they run, they want to get the lord of
shoulder and put these defenders on all types of uh
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social media memes and stuff for that nature. So I
get why Kiko went low. I mean, he didn't know
that he was gonna slide. He's protecting himself from the
scrutiny of what it is the NFL has provided for
so many defenders they get rand Oh yeah, but can't
they can't. You can't you go low while staying on
your feet. I think that my issue would be more
launching yourself, you know, to die, especially because remember Kiko,
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like a quarter before, had what's the tight end for
the Ravens who hurled him, right, So this is kind
of Keikos things. He goes and he just he goes
and launches himself at your legs, which I agree is
not technically dirty, but you're supposed to stay on your
feet and and his big mistake is he's diving into
people's legs. No, right, Well, he's not the only one
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that does that, though, the Lonbacker out of the Chandia
City Chiefs is notorious for that. Johnson he does it
all the time. That's how he makes all of his tackles.
He never like hits you high and wrap you up.
He always at your legs. The difference is he doesn't
get the scrutiny that Keiko does because Tico is we
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know he's known for it, but a lot of people
don't necessarily believe that he's known for like Johnson is.
So it's it's just it's so when people like, when
you're labeled as that type of guy, you can get
away with it. But when you're not labeled as that
type of guy, then it's an issue, especially when you
hurt somebody. Uh. It just it all goes back to
the half Flaco just got up. It has just been
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a normal play. Same thing with the Green Bay Packer
quarterback in their Rodgers. He gets up, that's just a
normal play. But because there was some level of vulnerability
and he got hurt, then it's an issue. Dasli Williams
joining us in the Doug Otlive Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. What the hell is Travis Benjamin doing? I'm like, look,
I know you're trying to make a play and he's
(28:39):
a home run hitter, but to get the ball inside
the tent which said no, no, ball is going out
of bounty trains, and then to run backwards and to
get a safety, like, you gotta have a little bit
more spatial awareness, don't you to to make that? Don't
you where? What did he play a football that? Do you? No?
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I'm talking about where did he go to? What did
he play before he got to wear years? Right now?
Cleveland Browns? Right? Have they ever won anything there? No?
But i mean, like, look, he's not a He's not
he's a great return man, like I mean, this is
football want like he's a he's a great he's a
great retaire man. Because you say he had a great
return man. He retired one this year. Okay, fine, good,
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good job. He's only retired one in the last one
three or four years. I think he has more than that,
don't he He's got a couple. I mean, he's he's look,
he's a home run, he's a he's a deep threat.
He's a guy, if you give mccreeze, he can really
really run. But I mean, that's that's kind of basic
football thing, and that that severely Uh that would that
cut out their knees? They were playing pretty well, they've
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gotten to stop and awll a sudden it was two
points and then the Patriots that's five point swing that
ends up being essentially the difference in the game. Yeah,
I don't know what some of these think. I'll give
you a case in point, and I don't mean to
change the subject. But so Switzer from the Cowboys, they
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kick it off, he was expecting that was expecting their
own time kick. He didn't have any blockers. He catches
the ball, he runs to about the fifteen yard line
that he takes a knee. The commentators were like, they
were so pissed that this guy's taking that. He took
me there's like, what is he doing? Why would you
want to start at the fifteam? Why don't you fight
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for the fu already to get to the twenties, and
then the special team coaches going off on him on
the sideline. And I'm thinking, from a player's perspective, if
I'm down and this is gonna be the game winning drive,
I don't want to be the guy that makes the mistake.
And I know that nobody's blocking from me because they
thought it was an onside kick. So my chances of
costing the ball up as a player goes up exponentially
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because I don't have the blockers that I otherwise would
have had on a regular kickoff return. So he played
the smart move, business decision. But you can't make business
decisions as the rookie. And I've said this since day zero.
It's easy to be tough with another man's body. So hey,
get in there and take that hitt? What WHOA? Now? Like?
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Are we playing smart football? Are we're playing just reckless
an abandon because we have an opportunity to win this
football game now. Travis Benjamin, on the other hand, I
have no words for him, Like, I don't understand in
that situation where you got Philip Rivers tossing the rock
around the way, he's tossing the rock around too. Put
him in that situation like it was just it was
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it was interesting, especially when they haven't beaten the Patriots,
and like, all right, help me out with this. The
Houston Texans taking a knee, they're clearly frustrated at what
their owner, Bob McNair said, And what I said on
Friday was like, look, you know, I know you can
personalize it, but this is an idiom that everybody's that
I know seems to know. Right the inmates can't run
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the asylum and maids can't run the prison, and within
the contact of a private conversation Troy Vincent obviously didn't
take it in the way which intended to apologize for it.
It comes out and dudes freak out over I mean
really freak out over it. Deshaun Watson left the facility
only then come back they take a knee and protest
during the flag, which I mean, that's a You had
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to know what was going on to it to understand
the protest. As a former player, what's your takeaway from
what Bob McNair said. I I really, honestly and truly
respect bogged me Mari for saying what he said, because
in actuality, all the owners feel the same way. We've
got to make sure that we control the product, don't
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let the product control us. Totally understand that. I get that.
That's what That's been the issue or the problem since
uh inception of Colin Kaepernick taking a knee. The only
problem that I have now with the protest is is
that they've gotten away from the initial start of the protest.
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So now if anybody in the NFL does or says
anything that players don't like, they just take a nique,
which it completely takes away from what the need initially
stood for when he took it about social injustice. Now
it's it's against Trump. Now it's against Bob McNair. Now
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it's against anything that we deem uh not like right
as opposed to just said, Hey, you know, I like
the fact that the players left the facilities. They should
have just left it at that. Hey, my protest is
is I don't like the fact that our owners said
what he said. We have that right to do that,
and we also have the right to the consequences that
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uh we have to serve based on what he does
what he does, because he ultimately does sign our our paychecks.
So yes, I'll I'll give you thirty thousand dollars, I'm
gonna walk out, and I'm gonna show you that I
didn't agree with what you said. Now I can understand that,
But the whole taking the knee, it's just that's not
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that's not what this protest is about. Like now you're
taking you're taking this protest to a whole another level.
Now it's it's it's completely different. It's not about social injustice,
it is not about it's just you pisched off it
what he said. Now you have people saying, you know,
he has freedom of speech, players don't have freedom of
species taking knee. Like if you if you're for one
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and not for the other one, that means one affect
you more than the other, because both of them exhibit
freedom of speech, So you have to be all or nothing. Like, Yes,
it's okay for Bob to say what he said, and
it's also okay for the players to take a knee.
But at the same time, I've told people time and
time again that this is not one of those things
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where you take the chord and you win, like the
jury and the trial and the verdict to all be
read by the public based on ticket sales, showing up
a game. Uh, they'll make that decision or whether or
not they agree or disagree with what Bob says. So
it's not a it's not up for debate within communities
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or homes and say, hey, you know what you think
about that, what you think the punishment should be or
the punishment shouldn't be anything, because he has that freedom
of speech. That matter what how he said it or
where he said it, or when he said it, he
said it, he meant every bit of it. I was
just piste off that he apologized. Don't apologize or something
that you said. If I say something on if I
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say something on social media, if I say something that
you dug if I say something to anybody and it
hurts your feelings, if it hurts your feelings on what
I said, then that's on you. But if you took
what I said the wrong way, then I'll help you
understand what I meant by without having to apologize to you,
(35:58):
because you obviously took the wrong way. But I'm not
going to apologize to something that I said because it
but that But again, that doesn't you're you're not wrong,
but that just doesn't. It's not the world. The world
in which we live in. People take things the wrong
way and they demand that you immediately apologize, which, by
the way, he already had apologized in person, and he
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is forced to apologize again. And I mean, no, no,
I know you do, but but we're dealing. Like, look, man,
we've both been in locker rooms a whole lot, Like like,
guys don't. What's what's weird to me is most athletes
I know, because of how you bust chops with other
dudes in the locker room. You don't take You're not
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ultra sensitive, you're not super, you don't over you don't
overreact to things. But it feels like everything is so
heightened now that when you when you hear something, you
automatically go to the negative. And guys are frankly overreacting
to something instead of taking a breath. Wait, what do
you mean by that? Okay, you mean the players can't
decide all the future of the business, which is the team,
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and and and hearing people out and said we just
we all overreact and demanded a media apology, and even
that appears to not be enough. Well, you also have
to understand this too, like let's not let's not be uh,
let's not being nisy to what's going on in the
world today, like social the social climate right now, anything
(37:23):
that remotely resembles racism or prejudice would be pushed to
the forefront, no question. But sometimes you care. But people
assume racism when sometimes it doesn't exist, right, like within
the context of a discussion. I'll give you a case
in point, uh, Doug, And maybe this will help you
understand what I'm saying and help the listeners understand what
(37:44):
I'm saying. So my battle has always been with breast
cancer and stepping out cancer and things of that nature. Right.
I had a local reporter here in Charlotte, uh many
moons ago say that the reason why I don't have
a job is because I'm a cancer in the locker room?
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Would you not say that based on what I just
told you and what my cause is? Him saying that?
Uh should that that wouldn't affect you like that? Well, no,
my dad, my dad got a cancer. But I have
not done the amount of But I remember, I remember
the pink hair, I know I know about your mom,
I know all those things. So I think it's a
(38:27):
poor choice of words. I think it's a poor choice
of words, But I don't think it was a very
poor it's a very poor choice of words. So because
it was a poor choice of words, words like, I
honestly don't think he should be punished for it, uh
from an internal perspective, But I do believe that the public, uh,
the way that they react is they react by either
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showing up for the games or don't show up for
the game, don't buy jerseys. They'll be the one that
that push judgment or push punishment. Um, Bob McNair, And
I mean it's gonna come all at the at the
expense of the players. Just say I'm not buying jerseys now,
I'm not I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that.
So it ultimately is gonna affect everybody in that building.
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All I'm saying is is it was a horrible choice
of words. But he meant what he said in terms
of not letting the mmates run the prison. Do you
think he meant it in a racial way? See, I
don't know how he meant it because I don't know
the context. I don't know Bob McNett personally, so I
have no idea. But given the situation and given the
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social climate in the atmosphere that we're living in today.
He should have been very conscious of what was going
on and what threw out of his mouth. Because I
reached out to that reporter that said I was a
cancer and I said, hey, man, you know, I can
find this article very disrespectful because of what I didn't
go out. I just told him, I said, And he
went in and he changed that word. He said, man,
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I wasn't even thinking when I wrote that article, and
this is could care on a beat writer that's been
with me for nine years. Cancer. No, I know, but
but sometimes sometimes you don't think. Sometimes sometimes your brain
fart you don't even think about it. So I uh know,
so if you bright, so if you brain fart, you
don't think you should be punished for it, like in
any way because you had a brain fart and because
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you I think, I think in the social world, I
don't know. I mean, like, it's a really common expression
inmates from the asylum and it makes fround the prison whatever.
It's really I don't know, it's a really common expression.
There's a lot of there's a lot of common expressions
like if you if if you were to come out
and say, you know, you got to call a spade
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a spade. You don't think that that expression right there
means something a whole lot different than what you meant. No,
I think it. No, No, no, I under I understand
the social climate. I think the social climate is way
over way over sensitive, way overly sensitive to and and
you go like, because you could have said the tail
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it's a dog? Are you calling us dogs? Now? Like, no,
that's not you know, it's like I mean, like that
wouldn't have been taken. I completely agree, But I also
don't think it's to the point where you want to
walk out of the facility and essentially look with Dwayne
Dayne Brown called him racist. That's what he said. Well
you know what it was like he without without offering
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up that he thought he was a racist, and of
course which allows those of us that way. It was
Drayne Dwayne Brown really think this or does he think
this because he didn't get the money that he wanted
when he held out? Like, I don't know, we don't
know all these things. But I think assuming racism just
because of a guy says a very common idiom. I
think it's a really really dangerous way to a really
hard way to look your life to live your life.
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But if that, if that, if that idiom fit you,
then then is it an idiom or is he really
saying what he is he meant to say, because hit
me out when I say this, so calling us in
May from Bob McNair, a lot of people that's on
the outside looking in, fans, fans of other teams. With
the rash of UH incidents that we have in the offseason,
(42:05):
I never took it as a racial thing. I just
took it as him saying that because we're get into
trouble on our own time like and we have a
rash of lock ups and and brushes with the law
that we were in makes from that perspective, black white,
green origin. I didn't we we did, we gotta go.
But I just I looked at it as employees can't
(42:27):
determine the future of the business. And once you once
you do that without knowing all the different things in
the in the business landscape that are affecting the NFL's
bottom line, I think that's how you got to make decisions.
That's how I took I took him as a businessman,
but I don't know, I don't know enough about him
I don't know, you know, right, That's what I'm saying.
I don't know enough about him either. So with us
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not knowing enough about him, like it's it's tough for
us to say. But if he came out and he
said something otherwise like yeah, you knew his past and
he had some racial issues and the path, does it
change what you your perception of him about this idiom
that maybe I don't know, D'Angel, great stuff. As always,
we appreciate you joining us on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks
(43:11):
for having as D'Angelo Williams joined us. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays
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and the I Heart Radio app. And now right, Nick
Right clearly watched one football game yesterday. He actually Nick
used to do radio in Houston, so he's more invested
(43:32):
in Houston than other places. And it was a great
game against Seattle where they lost to the Seahawks and
Russell Wilson led a comeback for the Hawks. Here's his
take if the whole league were free agents, if everyone,
if there's an expansion draft, NFL folds new league. Those
two guys, right, there are your first and your second
(43:53):
pick of everyone. That's no disrespect to my man, Aaron Rodgers.
But he's thirty four years old, he's injured for the season.
Russell Wilson never injured for the year. DeShawn Watson plays
his biggest and best, it seems in his biggest and
best moments. Those to me are the two biggest assets
in football. Did did Carson Wentz get hit by a train?
(44:16):
I wasn't? And And because Russell Wilson has not been
hurt yet, suddenly, somehow that means that Aaron Rodgers is
Aaron Rodgers is just the best quarterback we've seen in football.
Like three weeks ago, well, that's the best quarterback I've
ever seen, which is what I said actually in the
off season and remains as such. Um. I think it's
(44:38):
interesting how quickly we've decided that Dak Prescott isn't that good.
I like Deshaun Watson. I think what they're able to
do with him as a rookie is fantastic. But he
did have three picks yesterday, did he not? Yeah? And
we have a small sample size yet, So while I'm
all for kind of the next generation of guy, I
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think Derek Carr is right there. I think Carson Lenz
is right there. I still think Look, I watched Tom
Brady yesterday in a clean pocket. I know he's ancient
and you might, but like dude, Tom Brady is still
an incredible quarterback. I don't know if either of those
guys will ever be Tom Brady, and neither of them
as of now or Aaron Rodgers and oh yeah, by
the way, we have a limited sample size on on
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Deshaun Watson. He's running a college offense. This is what
r G three did. There's some similarity. Tebow took the
league by storm, Vince Young took the Scott Mitchell took
the league by storm. I think de'angela that Deshaun is different.
I really do. I think he's different, but I won't
know until I have about a year and a half
(45:45):
or two years of data in order to make that decision.
So it sounds really good, but I don't think anybody's
taken either of the two ahead of Aaron Rodgers and frankly,
I don't think either has taken ahead of Carson Wentz.
And that's just two of the may need to get
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