November 13, 2017 • 43 mins
Doug talks about the Cowboys losing to the Falcons without Ezekiel Elliott and Tyron Smith and what that tells you about Dak Prescott and the rest of their team. He discusses the on-going feud between Cavaliers LeBron James and former Knicks President Phil Jackson and why it's time for LeBron to take his own advice. Plus, lead College Football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to talk about all the upsets from over the weekend.
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This is the best of the Dog Dot Lead show
on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug gott
Leave Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from the
City of Angels, where the Rams continue to take the
NFL world by storm. Yes, Rams and Saints and Eagles,
just like we thought, three best teams in the NFC.
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I know, I know, I told you to start the
year put a bunch of money on him and you guys,
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, But fascinating weekend, huge weekend in
college football, and if Dan Mullen had any balls, we
might have had a one two, number one, number two,
and number three team in the country. All go down instead,
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two and three go down. The U is back, which
uh is always fun, is always entertaining, and is usually
followed by n z A probation. So lots of things
to look forward to. And as I told you when
we had people were asking me about two three weeks ago. Oh,
Sydney Katz, who books this show for Fox Sports Radio,
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asked me if I wanted Gus Malls on. I said, yeah,
It's like are you sure? It's like yeah, And I
got tweets and text like why are you having like Auburn.
I said something about this auburgn team. Man feels like
that year where Auburn screws up the whole thing for
the SEC and they've started that, started that by taking
down mighty and previously undefeated Georgia. Of course, that leads
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us to an Iron Bowl, in which we'll have Auburn
taken on still undefeated Alabama. Though, as I pointed out,
Mississippi State had a golden opportunity, but they're they're nuts,
retracted at the wrong moment. We'll get to that with
Joel Klatt, who will join us up coming, also asking
about Oklahoma's dominating performance over TCU. The oklaham State's defense
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wasn't that bad. But let's start with the NFL and uh,
what's up is Dan down? What's day is night? We
all knew the Vikings would be good with case Keenum
as quarterback, right. We all knew that the Saints would
win seven consecutive games after starting oh into running the
football and only start really playing well and running the
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football well after they traded Adrian Peterson, Right, exactly like
we all thought. But to me, the story of the
day or the story of yesterday short Broncos incompetent quarterback play, Like,
what's more brock oswilder than him getting a compliment from
Chris Collinsworth and then throwing an interception or him nearly
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decapitating some dude who's not even looking when he throws
the ball away on second down and he's not really pressured,
which pick one. Nothing more Chargers like than the way
in which they found multiple ways to lose that game,
by the way, sneaky, under the radar, aged and not
really that good anymore. Philip Rivers has has been has
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been bad more than he's been good over the last
year and a half, and asked the Kansas City Chiefs
or the Jacksonville Jaguars, because he was as responsible as
anybody for the Chargers losing both those games. But the
Cowboys are the most interesting one because everyone is talking
about not having Tyron Smith and how he and how
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his replacement, Chas Green failed to block Adrian Claiborne. Adrian
Claiborne looked like some sort of combination of J. J. Watt,
Justin Houston and Lawrence Taylor yesterday afternoon. My guess is
it's as much or more Chaz Green can't play dead
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in a Cowboy movie as it as it is, Adrian
Claiborne suddenly has decided to be the best defensive end
on earth. But that's the way it looked. So I'm
not gonna put all the blame on Dak Prescott. A
good amount of the blame has to go on on
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on Jason Garrett, Like, hey, dude, just two little things here.
One chip the guy every single play, every play. If
you chip Adrian Claiborne, if you double him with a
back or with a with a with a tight end
every play for a half, he'll quit. Anybody would quit.
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But because you didn't do it every play, and he
gets going and the crowd gets going, and your team
becomes defensive. We see the result. And here's the other one.
Run at him, right, isn't that the old If a
guy is a great rush end, you run that way
because his all his soul intent is the is the
tackle the quarterback. That's that's all he wants to do.
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They did neither enough, and they got exposed. But it
really got exposed. In addition to Jason Witten is over
the hill. Dez Bryant can't get open. You take away
Zeke and you take away, Tyron Smith, We've been telling
you forever, Like, look, the whole magic to the Cowboys
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is their ability to run the ball. You run the ball,
you gotta put another guy in the box, put another
guy in the box. More guys are single covered. It
brings play action into play and when they do throw,
you get an extra second or two for a nice
second year quarterback to look like Johnny freaking Unitus back there.
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So like, look, we can talk all about how Jason
Garrett the play calling was atrocious. We can talk all
about how Dez isn't the superstar that he was a
couple of years ago. On how Jason Witten even father
time catches up to an all time great. Well, or
I mean you pick the wide receiver. They're just not winning.
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That said, if you want to consider Dak Prescott in
the elite caliber as quarterback, he's got to get you
into winning plays. He's gotta make winning plays himself. Like
this is completely and totally foreseeable. But we're in such
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infatuation with fourth round pick, you know, a guy who
had to evolve as a passer. We're so in love
with the Dak Prescott story, which is a great story
It doesn't diminish the story of his relationship with his
with his late mother. It doesn't diminish the story of
the fact that he was underdrafted, probably because he got
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a d U I and also because he wasn't a
great He wasn't great in terms of his accuracy when
he had to reload. It doesn't take away from the
season he had last year. It's the reality of the
job in which he holds. Quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys
has to be better. Here's Dak There was a team
to tonight and it was a team loss. We're all
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going to take credit in it, um and then it sucks,
but well we'll get better from it and use it
to motivate us. Here's Jason Garrett on how Dac played.
He battled the whole game. Obviously, it wasn't a comfortable
environment to play in. Uh. Certainly, once we got behind
and we had to throw the ball, they were pressuring
him pretty pretty good. But I just thought he stood
in there. He made some players with his feet, made
some plays with his arm. He just battles and plays
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the right way. I don't dispute any of that. But
we didn't play well. I mean there must must throw situations,
and the numbers don't really lie. Those are Those are
situations which usually you put up four yards passing because
you're down. And I'll grant you being on the road
in Atlanta in that type of environment, that type of
pass rush is like being on the road in Denver. Right,
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it's really are That's what that Atlanta defense is designed for.
Designed to get a lead, really in their ears back
and get after you. But the best, the best of
the best, find a way to be better than he us.
And in fairness, he's only in his second year, only
in a second year. But other than that, everything came
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out just what like we like, right, just like we
thought it would. Kidding, Okay, I mean the Sames thing
is crazy, crazy, absolutely nuts. Uh. We'll get to what
happened to Notre Dame with Joe Klatt momentarily. I will
point out that Notre Dame's defensive coordinator talking about we
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got rings. We don't like the change, we got rings,
like like words that will live in infamy, but like, look,
that's the most football walk through speech ever, right, tell
him alright, kicked the hell out of him, and then
I'm gonna smash him and they were like, so, if
you believe that's the reason that Notre Dame lost, you
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haven't been in the locker room at any point in
time in your life. But up next, Joe Clatt will
join us. Here's the situation. Mississippi State moved the ball
all evening long on Alabama tie game, couple minutes ago,
fourth quarter, fourth and three, Alabama's forty two yard line,
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out of range of a field goal kicker. Right out
of range of field goal kicker. They punt, punt goes
into the end zone, so it's basically like a twenty
two yard net punt. But even before they punted, you
have Alabama number one in the country at home. Here's
the difference between Bill Belichick and the rest of your
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loser coaches that have a loser mentality. I like Dan Mullen.
If I'm Tennessee now, I want to hire him. I'm Florida,
I want to hire him. He does a tremendous job.
But all you have to do is get one first down,
two yards, three yards, that's it. And instead you punt,
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which turns it over to a college punter, which is
usually not a good option, and it turns it over
to your defense that had performed well, but you're getting
battered and beaten up by Alabama all leavening long. Why
wouldn't you control your own destiny? Why wouldn't you go
for it? My question is always two coaches, what in
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the hell have you been doing with your special situation
plays all year long? That when you have number one
Alabama on the ropes on your own home field, you
choose to allow your nuts to retract into your stomach
and let's punt it. Let's do what coaches have always
done and try and prevent which does one thing prevents
you from winning. So, instead of a week long celebration
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for one of the great upsets in the history of
Mississippi State football and yes, I'm a root for chaos
bitter college football fan today, because we would have had
utter and sheer chaos for the first time since nineteen
sixty six, we could have number one, number two, and
number three all lose in Alabama, obviously being the most surprising. Instead,
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Alabama is still undefeated, but more than anything, not going
for it. Who doesn't go for it? Damn Molin. Be
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Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on
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only guy who calls these games that calls dudes out
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is Joe Klatt, lead councilor islist for Fox Sports. To
another amazing job. He and Gus just uh fen, I
mean like, look, that's a really good team. And he
joins us. Now on the Doug Gotlip Show, I'll get
to Mississippi State. Uh, giving away a golden opportunity to
take down Alabama and Notre Dame Miami, which I think
the wind might not have surprised people, but the utter
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and sheer dominant surprise people. I want to talk about
Oklahoma though, a team you've seen a ton of joel Um, uh,
how have they gotten? So it's like this is a
TCU defense that number one past defense, number one and
run defense and is it simply Baker may feel like
how are they able to light up TCU? Yeah? Well, um,
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first off, thank you for those kind words, and then
and then moving to Oklahoma, Um, they they are the
most dangerous team in America. And I know that they
don't have a great defense, I understand, but they are
literally like a Formula one car um on offense, and
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they I mean, when they want to. Here's the things.
They scored thirty eight points in almost four yards in
the first half and then essentially put the car in
park in the second half. And Lincoln Riley, i think
very astutely said to himself, I might face this team again,
probably going to face this team again in Dallas with
all the marbles on the table in order to get
to the playoff. I'm not going to go out there
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and empty my kitchen sink because I've got more that
I can get to and I'm not going to. And
he just played it out. They had a methodical second half.
The defense was playing well, the defense wasn't playing well.
I'm sure you would have gone out there and gotten aggressive,
but he didn't need to. And and then back to
your question, it's not just simply Mayfield or simply another player.
They've got a really good offensive line, lots of experience,
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they can run, block, they were past protecting like a
mother last weekend. They've got a good, um I would
say stable of pass catchers. And the reason I say
it that way is because Doug, they've got speed. With
Marquis Brown, they've got more of a possession guy, and
Ceedee Lamb who who's also got some speed. He saw
Michael Jones get some touches. You've got Andrews who understands space.
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You've got Dmitri Flowers who can hurt you on third down.
You've got Anderson out of the backfield they can catch you.
You've got Sermon out of the backfield that can catch you.
You've got speed and power and the ability to catch
it throughout the running back group. And then you've got
the quarterback that's probably I think the best player in
the country at this point is a great decision maker.
He plays with a swagger and a risk taking mantra
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all of you know Menzel or Rogers or Farv and
yet he plays with the efficiency of Russell Wilson and
Drew Brees. It's it's really a combination that I haven't
seen in a long time. And I think that they
are uniquely suited to score thirty thirty five, maybe forty
points on anybody in the country, whether it TCU came
in with sixth rated defense in the country, or Alabama
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or Wisconsin or whoever it is. Look, they scored thirty
on Ohio State earlier the year before they even got
ramped up, and now they're playing at even a much
higher level than they were then. It felt like they
did a better job, Joe Clad showing us, it felt
like they did a better job. There's a couple of
plays in which TCU either rush three or only rush
two and just try to contain and drop everybody into coverage.
In the past, that had been the way to slow
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and frust slow and frustrate Baker Mayfield. What did they
do differently because that didn't seem to have nearly the
same effect on him. Yeah. So, and I give Lincoln
Riley a huge, you know, fip of the cap on
this one. So what happens is is that he has
these built in um kind of I would call them
underneath beaters, Doug, because a lot of times what you
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get is you get these teams that want to go
down the field, and so they get caught staring down
the field when teams drop eight or seven into coverage
and there's nowhere to go with the football. But what
Riley has done this he's really layered this passing game
to where even if they're trying to take a shot,
what he does is he has kind of a dual
system in in the intermediate zones or even short zones.
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That allows a guy like Andrews to find some space
or he gets a one on one matchup in those
zones even when they're dropping eight like a Mike Heel
Jones on a little decision route I call it, or
a two way go, or he's got Markis Brown on
an under route, or he's got a back out of
the backfield. Another thing that they did brilliantly is if
you're gonna rush two or three, if you're gonna rush
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those guys and drop everyone out. They cleared everybody out
and then got the one on one matchup with Anderson
on the mic linebacker of the middle linebacker Travan Howard,
and you saw that exploited several times. Wanted a Texas route,
which is kind of a fake out, and then come
back into the middle once just right down the scene
right before the half for the touchdown with seven seconds ago.
So he did a lot of really brilliant things, isolating
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those underneath defenders when they only wanted to rush three. Yeah,
and he got also got a credit Bayfield Mayfield because
right before the half, Lincoln Riley seemed to want to
slow it down and be conservative, and Mayfield was like yeah,
and then he ends up, you know, beating him deep
Like okay, well, okay, you guys can go score again.
Joel Clatten joining is Um on the Doug Gotliep Show
quickly on Mayfield because I have a couple of GM friends.
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Uh they send me text and they were asking about him,
and I thought, you took it to a You've taken
it to a place conversation because people want to say
Menzel because because because he got arrested in Arkansas, right,
they want to say Menzel because he runs around back there.
A lot of people now are saying more Russell Wilson.
I think here's the big question. You know, the position
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you play, the position you evaluate the position for the
NFL draft, and he plays starting quarterback in the NFL
because in that you have to throw from the pocket
and he's he's small. Can you do it? And and
I'm not going to be surprised at all if he's
one of these guys that that rockets up draft boards
during the process once people can talk to him, because remember,
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now he's got that swagger and that leadership ability like
a Russell Wilson or like a Deshaun Watson, that he's
going to step in and he can be an alpha
and that team is going to follow him and lead
him right away, or he'll lead them right away. He's
done that a couple of different schools. He's got the
efficiency to sit in there and he'll take what the
defense gives you. But I think what what goes unpromoted
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or unnoticed about his game right now is I think
he's got one of the better arm talents in all
of college football. We see him make throw after throw,
whether it's down the field or in the intermediate zones.
And he can drive the football, he can layer the football,
and he does all of that with accuracy um and
I think that's one of the things that makes him
really dangerous. I personally believe that he will get selected
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in the first fifteen picks. He's not gonna need everyone
to fall in love with him, and he probably won't
have everyone fall in love with him because he's not
in the prototype. But he's gonna have eight to nine
teams that sit there and say to themselves, boy, that's appealing.
And that player last year was Patrick Mahomes. We've seen
others over the course of the years, and I think
actually the best frit fit for him, Doug is a
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system where a coach came from that Mike Holmgren, Brett
Farve Tree, because they're gonna see a lot of far
Ven him and that's to see everyone's comparing him to
Rill Wilson. I think people are going to get enticed
by the Farv in Baker Mayfield, and then they're gonna
also say to him, say to themselves, he's probably not
as much much of a risk taker as Farv was
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because he plays so efficiently, and he might be the
best of both worlds between a Wilson and a Farv.
And I think this guy is gonna play for a
long time in the National Football League, And shame on
us for not noticing it prior to this big question
is gonna be drafting? Will he be wearing the George
that Brett Farve was wearing That we'll just have to
we'll We'll just have to wait and find out. Joel
Klatt joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show. Um, I
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know you were calling a game so you couldn't watch
it or comment on it in real time, but I
also know the way in which you do your job,
you go back and you pour over things. Uh like, Look,
I think Damn owns a really really good coach. If
I'm if I'm Florida, if I'm Tennessee, I try and
steal him. I just do. On the other hand, he
got the number one team in the country on their heels,
it's fourth and three in their territory, and you punt.
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As soon as he punted, they were losing that game.
Why why why do these coaches continue to do this?
Why do they Why do they not play aggressive at
the important times and uh they play aggressive at the
unimportant times. I don't know. Um, it frustrates me to
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no end sitting in the booth, to be quite honest
with you, because I think a coach's job is to
put the players in position to succeed for that moment
at all times, whether it's the individual play. And this
goes across sports. Do this college basketball's college football? This
is a professional level. You've got to put each player
in position to succeed, and then you gotta put your
team in position to succeed. And I don't think Dan
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Mullen did that, I mean, quite honestly, playing it safe
at that point doesn't do you any good. You play
it safe when you're the favorite. You play it safe
when you're Oklahoma and you can put it in park
and still beat TC, you knowing that you might have
a rematch coming up. You play it safe when you're
Alabama and you're up to scores and you think to yourself, Hey,
if we just play this the right way, we're going
to get out of here with a win. You don't
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play it safe when your Mississippi State and you're Dan
Mullen when you could have a groundbreaking win for your program. Um,
he's a great coach. He's done a lot of really
good things in Mississippi State. I'm a big fan of his.
I'm sure teams are gonna become um knocking on his
door as these vacancies open up across the country. But
but that was frustrating, right, I mean those I thought
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his players deserved more. I don't. That's the way I
I don't know, if you're you're like me, I always
you it from the player's eyes, right, And if I'm
a player on that team, I would have just been
like grinding my teeth on the sidelines, like what is
he doing? Give us a chance? To win, And I
don't think that's what what is what happened? Well, And
the other thing is and like we both know this
and the former player in this like you spend most
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of the season putting in the special situation plays, two
boy conversion plays, Like you said, you know you got
underneath beaters, You've got all these different things in your playbook,
Like is there a better time in the world to
break one out than fourth and three in their territory?
And and and oh yeah, by the way, you still
if you don't get it, you still have to stop him,
Like okay, uh, you have to stop him for twenty
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less yards, like it's more important, but like you still
have to stop him. And the I don't know, you're
just playing not to lose and play as opposed to
playing to win. And we would have had a dramatic
change in kind of the landscape of college football had
that happened. If I will tell you this, I don't
think that Alabama is going to go to the playoff
with a loss. Maybe if the losses to Georgia and
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the SEC champions, maybe, but their their resume at this
at this point is not gonna line up very well.
If they're not a conference champ to Clemson if they
are a conference champer, to Oklahoma, if there are a
conference champ, I mean they are behind those teams as
far as one loss resumes UM at this point. Yeah,
but they're they're gonna play Auburn, They're gonna play Georgia,
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and so had they lost that game and they won
the next two way, I guess you would they would
have two losses. If you're saying basically what I'm saying
is like they need to be a conference champ even
with the loss. They don't have a great resume. Um.
Everyone wants to just annoying Alabama all the time. Their
resume is not very good. It's more similar to Wisconsin
than it was similar to Georgia before this last weekend.
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That being said, I want to go back to what
you were saying about the situational plays and all the
things that you work on during the course of the year.
What annoys me to no end is the coaches are
are the coaches that use those special type of plays
when there's no risk, you know they're playing the citadel
or mercer and you see a trick player, you see
some you know extravagant play calling kind of sequence, if
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you will, and they pull out all these tricks and
it's like that is so chicken like. Do it when
the chips are down right, do it when it's Alabama.
That's what you practice them for. And all this. I
get this whole garbage from coaches all the time. I'll
ask them about it and they'll tell me like, well,
we're doing so the opposing teams will have to prepare
for it. Why don't you save it and then beat
those teams with it? You know? It Just it drives
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me nuts. I think it's it's one of the things
that that coaches need to uh look at themselves in
the mirror about it is in my game, of my kids,
the best chance to win the game. I m look.
I thought Miami completely out athleted Notre Dame. Notre Dame
looked slow and plotting, much like they did trying to
block Georgia as well. But i've i've I also thought
they were intimidated. Whether it's the crowd or the athleticism
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or tenacity of of of the Miami defense. I felt
like you could feel Notre Dame being intimidated watching them
just shrivel and and you know, normally I get onto
Brian Kelly about pulling a quarterback. But when we left
no choice, he was he was totally flustered and unable,
unable to to lead that team. And that's now, there
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wasn't a better scenario. There wasn't a better option backing
him up. But I I saw a team come unraveled
right on my television screen. Yeah, and that was something
that I did not predict. And and listen, I do
have experience with this because as a player, I had
to go down and we played at Miami. Now it
was in September, not November, but that was the top
ten Miami team when we played him in two thousand
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and five. UM. At one point during that year they
were third in the country behind Texas and usc UM.
And I can tell you that there is not a
better Bandwagon fan base in the country. And I'm not
trying to rip on him with that. I'm just saying, like,
are good. You know, when things are good at a
tough place to play, I mean really tough place to play.
That's and and I experienced that in my playing career,
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and I think that's what notre Name experienced that envi
nament was as good as an environment that that Miami
has had in over a decade. And kudos to that
fan base for for coming out and showing out at
the most important time. Now, they certainly don't do that
on a consistent basis. And I understand the challenges and
and and the distance from campus and so on and
so forth, and so this is not a knock. But they,
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I mean, when they are good, they know how to
be good. And if you want to call that bandwagon
or whatnot, front running, I really don't care what you
call it. That that fan base showed up and I
totally agree with you. I thought whim Bush was completely overwhelmed.
And I saw him on the road and what I
thought was a big environment at Michigan State earlier this year,
and he was very good. Now the defense got a
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couple of turnovers and put him up in a in
a good position. That's when you see what a quarterback
is really made up, Doug. I can tell you from experience,
when you put a team into a what should be
an evenly matched scenario or a huge environment on the road,
and then all of a sudden, that field starts to
tilt and the momentum falls away from you as an offense.
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That right there, that situation is where quarterbacks become either
great or average, and the great ones pull their team
up and they retilt the field, whether it's just back
to even or not. Those quarterbacks play and own the
moment versus the moment owning them. And that's what I witnessed.
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I went back and actually watched the game because I
wanted to see what actually happened, and whim Bush just
kind of shriveled in the moment. The moment certainly owned
him last thing. And I know you gotta go. We
gotta go as well. Forget scenarios and forget um strength
of schedule. If Joe cladd is picking the four best
college football teams in the country, who are they right now?
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This is and I'll give you them in order, um
from four to one, My four best teams in the country,
Number four? Or is Wisconsin dominant over a team that
put four seven yards on on Ohio State last week?
So Wisconsin and for Miami at three four turnovers in
fourth straight game, Alabama survived first time in thirty seven games.
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They didn't have a takeaway, but they were able to
score two touchdowns late and come from behind. My number
one team the country right now is Oklahoma. I will
tell you this right now, Doug. If Oklahoma can get
out of the Big Twelve, because the matchups in the
Big Twelve are not easy for them because they don't
play great defense. But if they can get out of
the Big Twelve and face some of these teams that
struggle to put up points, which is almost everybody else
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in the top ten, watch out their most favorable matchups
actually happened in the playoffs versus what's happening now in
the back end of their Big Twelve season. Uh, you're
you're in Wisconsin this weekend, are you? I am Wisconsin, Michigan.
I cannot wait to get up there, my first game
in the Badger Stadium and Madison, Wisconsin should be going off.
But Doug, dude, I'm a Southern California kid. Now it's
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gonna be thirty degree. Well, the great thing is. The
great thing is you're gonna be in a beautiful suit
with a really nice tie, and Gus is gonna be
in some awesome jacket with some like Gus man like
he's ready to go out and he looks awesome. But
it's it's Camp Randall Stadium really important. And but but
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as much as they might dislike you, right now, I'm
telling you, right now, Michigan is gonna win that game.
That's the type of year. This is. Michigan never went
hasn't win a big road game with hardball. They go
in there, they win him, they beat him, and it
becomes chaos all over again. I really think. So. Yeah, yeah,
I know the defense has been bad wide receiver last week?
Is that? Is that? Is that bad? Is that a
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bad thing? I mean, it's just the thing. It's it's
just a nugget. Yeah, I know. I just I'm not
a huge believer in Uh, Wisconsin's about to throw the
football either. I think classic kind of Big ten. It
feels like classic Big ten football. But mad Town will
be awesome. Uh say, travels. In the meantime, enjoy Newport
and the warmth until you get on that planet. That's
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Joel Klatt joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox
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com and within the I Heart Radio app. Are the
Saints Really this good? Are? Wait? Are the Rams really
this good? Are the vikings of the Vikings like that
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doesn't need like roll off the tongue like the Vikings
in case tenum or even if it getsn't Teddy Bridgewater?
But the Vikings, are they really this this good? And
I thought about Colorado football last year? Right, remember Colorado football? Man?
Color of football back awesome, second best team in the
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Pack twelve. For a while there people thought they were
the best team in the Pack twelve. And then you
start to realize, like, are they right? Was it about Colorado?
Or was it about the fact that Oregon was an
abject disaster because of all their injuries and they obviously
made a coaching change. Was it USC getting off to
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an awful start? Right? You c l A litany of injuries,
all kinds of unrest u c l A was supposed
to be good. USC actually pounded Colorado. Um, but USC
was supposed to be good, but they got off to
a bad start. You know, cal ends up making a
coaching changer so bad Stanford was just okay as opposed
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to being domin and so like you look around and
Colorado football last year was surprising and good, but a
lot of it was about the teams that the schedule
of that year, and the other teams that were supposed
to be good in the Pac twelve not nearly being
nearly as good for a variety of reasons. Then you
look around the NFL. Is it about the Eagles, Sure some,
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but part of it is the Giant season is a
complete dumpster fire. O b j wasn't healthy to start,
their offensive line wasn't very good, so they got off
behind the eight ball. Then he comes back and they
started play a little bit better, but then he gets hurt.
He's out for the year. Uh generous. Jenkins starts no
showing on stuff. They implode. Cowboys don't have Tyrone Smith.
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They're playing a more difficult schedule. Zeke Elliott gonna be suspended,
any spending gonna be spending, any spending gonna be is suspended.
They have some losses this year. You wouldn't expect them
to take on the Green Baby. So the Eagles are good,
The egos are very good. Their front seven is outstanding.
Carson Wentz we all agree, is a tremendous, tremendous young quarterback.
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But are they best team in NFL? Good? Maybe, or
maybe it's more about the Cowboys dysfunction, the Giants of
the Giants dysfunction, and the Cowboys having an uneven season
because injuries, suspension, difficulty of schedule. Right, it's the same
thing with the Minnesota Vikings. Like the Vikings is good,
like they're they're good, but Aaron Rodgers being hurt. Uh.
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Now they're starting tailback being hurt, Brian Bulaga being hurt. Uh.
I mean even go back to the Cowboys, Sean Lee
gimby hamstring, he'd missed some games earlier. That's when they
couldn't stop the run, like Shanley is the most important
part of their defense. My point is, and I think
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the Rams are probably the most legitimate because the excuses
or explanations I could make for the Seahawks, you can't
go as much to injury. Their offensive lined and bad.
It just wasn't good out of the shoot. Now, did
they lose Chris Carson was their best running back? Sure?
Fair um, and now they've lost Richard Sherman, which is
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going to help the Rams in the end. But the
Rams and they should have beaten It was the Seahawks
right where Cooper cup Crop. They dropped the touchdown pass.
But I guess my point, I was trying to get
to is and Saints are like this, right? Are the
Saints really that good? Like? They're good? But some of
it comes down to the injuries and dysfunction in Tampa, uh,
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injuries and dysfunction and uneven play in Carolina from cam
and Atlanta, trying to adjust to a new offensive coordinator
and shaking off the bug of post Super Bowl loss
to the Patriots, you know, heightened expectations and a completely
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new offensive play caller, and it hasn't messed all that well.
So the Saints good. Like, Look, the Saints are a
lot better than we thought they were. And I declared
them dead and they were not dead, and they found
a way to get to seven and two, winning seven
in a row. But some of this is not as
much about them as it is about everybody else. If
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you can simply keep your quarterback healthy, uh, if you
can avoid complete and total dysfunction, if you can keep
the core of what you want to do intact, just survive.
All these other issues take teams that really, on paper
and in reality, at full strength, the Cowboys are better
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than all those teams. At full strength. The Packers with
Aaron Rodgers are better than the vikings Um at full strength.
Who would you bet on Seattle or the Rams in
the playoffs? You'd still take Seattle. Everybody would. Everybody would,
And I think that's a fair way to look at it.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
Leaps Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. You're
gonna hear me talk about Lebron James here for a
couple minutes, and you're gonna think I don't respect um Lebron.
I do. I think Lebron is an incredible basketball player.
But I think when you surround yourself with all your
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buddies and you guys all kind of come up together,
and you guys all see a bunch of success, like
the rest of the world, maybe and maybe the real
world doesn't view you as you view yourself, doesn't understand
your story like you view your story like Lebron views
his story as one of the great all time uh
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come from nothing stories. He says, like, I'm not supposed
to be here now. Look. My point would be like, hey,
did your six two sixty pounds? Where the hell else
she's supposed to be other than an athletic field. And yes,
his buddies all grew up in Akron together and or
met along the way, and they've all become successful in
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their chosen field. But a lot of that began. You
have to have a backer, right, and they had the backer.
The best player in the NBA was their backer. And
I'm not gonna do business with you unless you do
business with my guy. Yeah, Rich Paul has become one
of the power players in the NBA. But if not
for Lebron James, none of it possible. So how he
views his story and how other people so, how he
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hears his comments about filled action and how they're perceived
are two completely different things. Here's the initial comment to
which Lebron James made about Dennis Smith of the Dallas Mavericks.
The Knicks pass on a on a really good one
and the Dallas and Dallas got the diamond and rough
he should be a nick. That's gonna make some hair lines,
but he should be a nick. But uh, Dallas is definitely.
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I know they're excited that he didn't go there. So
his unbelievable talent, athleticism very poised to be his age,
can shoot the ball compenetrate. He's gonna only get better
and better with the opportunity that he's given here to play.
Dallas got a good one. Of course, that did not
sit well. It doesn't sit well with New York right. Um.
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He went on today, He went on and said I
had nothing but respect for him as a coach talking
about Uh uh, excuse me, we're talking about Phil Jackson today.
He said, Oh, yeah, that's definitely a shot at him,
that's for sure. Uh. James of course confirmed his comments
were directed towards Jackson, who part of ways with the
Knicks this past June, less than a week after presiding
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over the Knicks selection of French guard. How are we
pronouncing his last game name Dan? I thought it was
in til Aquina? Is that correct? I thought one of
the letters were silent, and I thought it was the
the T. But um confirmation. Okay, let's just say Frank
and til Aquina. Um. So what Lebron's like? No, No,
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that was a shot at Phil Jackson. Phil was just
a small piece of the Knick's recent struggles. Well, he
was a big piece of it. Actually. I don't have
no problem with the Knicks organization. I wasn't there, so
I don't know the insights are everything. Y'all know how
they handled Carmelo situation. But I'm not a fan of
Phil Jackson though I think you guys already know that.
Let's not that's the past though he's not even here anymore,
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like you want to talk about back pedaling and sounded
like a complete buffoon. I think Lebron James is great.
I think he's bright. I think he's a talent basketball player.
And he knew what he was doing here, right, he
knew in talking about Dennis Smith, he was tweaking the
knicks and it's gonna make headlines. You said it to
make headlines, not realizing that they took a point guard
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who they kind of like. And oh yeah, by the way,
you just crushed him saying Dennis Smith is better. And
then you're like, well, I didn't know. There's a lot
of stuff going on, and Phil had a lot of
stuff going on. Look, we're not gonna hold if you
want to hold Phil Jackson responsible for every traffic, that's okay.
But you thought Jabas Napier was the best player in
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college basketball. You tweeted as such, right, your team that
is struggling. That can't guarden anybody hand selected by you.
The contracts that were handed out in Cleveland to your
teammates which have been a little too burdensome in terms
of adding other players, those were guys done by your
agent with your fingerprints on it. Like you don't like
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Phil Jackson, Okay, he probably didn't like you. But the
same thing that you and many others in the NBA
ques Phil of doing talking about other players, talking about
Lebron James who didn't play for you. Now you're talking
about Dennis Smith, You're talking about Frank and Tila Quina.
You're talking about dudes who you don't play with or
didn't play for you, who have nothing to do with
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your team. You're doing the exact same thing, and you're
commenting about stuff you don't know anything about. I want
all these guys that thought the Knicks were a joke
for passing on Justice Winslow and taking christophs prezingis. I
want all those idiots to step up and go like, hey,
you know what, Phil nailed it. And I'm not gonna
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sit here and support Phil because he didn't surround himself
with enough people who knew what he didn't know. But
you know what he didn't know. He knew that KP
was better and gonna be a better pro. He had
him number one on the board, by the way, Phil
Jackson and Jason Tatum number one on his board this year.
Documented just Google searching. So I like Lebron, but god,
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he's just he's he's petty. He's incredibly petty for being
incredibly talented and well respected. Maybe that's what makes him
talented and and what maybe that's what makes him great
is he is like Jordan's He is petty, but he's
petty about a lot of stuff that has nothing to
do with him. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports
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at Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I
Heart Radio app. And Jerry Jones wants to go to
the mattresses. This is all out war him against Godell. Hey,
we gotta adjust leagues, changing leagues, evolving. All these other
owners they don't see what's coming. I see what's coming.
I know this is bad. Football isn't a bad place.
And other blanks like, look, we already approved all this stuff.
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And Jerry Jones wants to talk to him. He ain't
talking to him. Jerry Jones wants to call him, he
ain't call him. Does it seem childish a little bit?
A little bit like you mean to tell me that
Arthur Blank couldn't just meet with Jerry Jones. Like all right, Jerry,
I'll hear you out, but I'm not changing my opinion.
But I think we've all heard where Jerry Jones stands,
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based upon the fact that he wants to hire the
attorney that Harvey Weinstein hired to dig up dirt on
Goodell so that the other owners won't approve this contract extension. Like, look,
I don't think it's crazy what Jerry Jones is doing.
I don't think it's crazy the idea of I know
we approved the contract. I understand we approved the contract,
but that was in May. This is November. A lot
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has changed. But the way he's going about it is
so abrasive, so abrupt um. Jerry is taking credit for
many of the good things in the league and putting
all of the blame on the shoulders of Roger Goodell.
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Like here's the crazy thing. Jerry Jones is like, look,
I helped move those teams to l A. And maybe
he did help broke were the deal. But one of
the reasons that no one discusses that fans are piste
off at the NFL is because they left San Diego.
They left St. Louis and they threatened to leave your
market unless you build them a stadium. And look, I've
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I'm someone who's come out and said, like, San Diego
is a bunch of dopes. Dopes have they built a
stadium to which the Chargers would have played ten games
a year, and that's a ten in downtown. They would
have had a facility that could host any event. They
would have gotten major Bowl games, they would have gotten
the Final Four is a Dome stadium. They've gotten major
soccer events there too. You get World Cup when that
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comes into You get anything you possibly want in San
Diego if you have a stadium, specifically a downtown stadium,
and yeah, the public has to pay for it. Don't
like it, They'll take it somewhere else. But Jerry Jones
only taking credit for the positives in moving franchises. Meanwhile,
you got people in Oakland are ticked, People in San
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Diego are ticked. People in St. Louis are ticked. Like
you're making a lot of people mad, and this is
what Jerry Jones does. It's a lot like Jerry Jones.
He might be right, zeke Ellett might not have done anything,
but you know he was the same owner who who
signed Greg Hardy and stood by him, right,
This is the best of the Dog Dot Lead show
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City of Angels, where the Rams continue to take the
NFL world by storm. Yes, Rams and Saints and Eagles,
just like we thought, three best teams in the NFC.
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I know, I know, I told you to start the
year put a bunch of money on him and you guys,
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, But fascinating weekend, huge weekend in
college football, and if Dan Mullen had any balls, we
might have had a one two, number one, number two,
and number three team in the country. All go down instead,
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two and three go down. The U is back, which
uh is always fun, is always entertaining, and is usually
followed by n z A probation. So lots of things
to look forward to. And as I told you when
we had people were asking me about two three weeks ago. Oh,
Sydney Katz, who books this show for Fox Sports Radio,
(01:05):
asked me if I wanted Gus Malls on. I said, yeah,
It's like are you sure? It's like yeah, And I
got tweets and text like why are you having like Auburn.
I said something about this auburgn team. Man feels like
that year where Auburn screws up the whole thing for
the SEC and they've started that, started that by taking
down mighty and previously undefeated Georgia. Of course, that leads
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us to an Iron Bowl, in which we'll have Auburn
taken on still undefeated Alabama. Though, as I pointed out,
Mississippi State had a golden opportunity, but they're they're nuts,
retracted at the wrong moment. We'll get to that with
Joel Klatt, who will join us up coming, also asking
about Oklahoma's dominating performance over TCU. The oklaham State's defense
(01:52):
wasn't that bad. But let's start with the NFL and uh,
what's up is Dan down? What's day is night? We
all knew the Vikings would be good with case Keenum
as quarterback, right. We all knew that the Saints would
win seven consecutive games after starting oh into running the
football and only start really playing well and running the
(02:15):
football well after they traded Adrian Peterson, Right, exactly like
we all thought. But to me, the story of the
day or the story of yesterday short Broncos incompetent quarterback play, Like,
what's more brock oswilder than him getting a compliment from
Chris Collinsworth and then throwing an interception or him nearly
(02:37):
decapitating some dude who's not even looking when he throws
the ball away on second down and he's not really pressured,
which pick one. Nothing more Chargers like than the way
in which they found multiple ways to lose that game,
by the way, sneaky, under the radar, aged and not
really that good anymore. Philip Rivers has has been has
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been bad more than he's been good over the last
year and a half, and asked the Kansas City Chiefs
or the Jacksonville Jaguars, because he was as responsible as
anybody for the Chargers losing both those games. But the
Cowboys are the most interesting one because everyone is talking
about not having Tyron Smith and how he and how
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his replacement, Chas Green failed to block Adrian Claiborne. Adrian
Claiborne looked like some sort of combination of J. J. Watt,
Justin Houston and Lawrence Taylor yesterday afternoon. My guess is
it's as much or more Chaz Green can't play dead
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in a Cowboy movie as it as it is, Adrian
Claiborne suddenly has decided to be the best defensive end
on earth. But that's the way it looked. So I'm
not gonna put all the blame on Dak Prescott. A
good amount of the blame has to go on on
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on Jason Garrett, Like, hey, dude, just two little things here.
One chip the guy every single play, every play. If
you chip Adrian Claiborne, if you double him with a
back or with a with a with a tight end
every play for a half, he'll quit. Anybody would quit.
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But because you didn't do it every play, and he
gets going and the crowd gets going, and your team
becomes defensive. We see the result. And here's the other one.
Run at him, right, isn't that the old If a
guy is a great rush end, you run that way
because his all his soul intent is the is the
tackle the quarterback. That's that's all he wants to do.
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They did neither enough, and they got exposed. But it
really got exposed. In addition to Jason Witten is over
the hill. Dez Bryant can't get open. You take away
Zeke and you take away, Tyron Smith, We've been telling
you forever, Like, look, the whole magic to the Cowboys
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is their ability to run the ball. You run the ball,
you gotta put another guy in the box, put another
guy in the box. More guys are single covered. It
brings play action into play and when they do throw,
you get an extra second or two for a nice
second year quarterback to look like Johnny freaking Unitus back there.
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So like, look, we can talk all about how Jason
Garrett the play calling was atrocious. We can talk all
about how Dez isn't the superstar that he was a
couple of years ago. On how Jason Witten even father
time catches up to an all time great. Well, or
I mean you pick the wide receiver. They're just not winning.
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That said, if you want to consider Dak Prescott in
the elite caliber as quarterback, he's got to get you
into winning plays. He's gotta make winning plays himself. Like
this is completely and totally foreseeable. But we're in such
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infatuation with fourth round pick, you know, a guy who
had to evolve as a passer. We're so in love
with the Dak Prescott story, which is a great story
It doesn't diminish the story of his relationship with his
with his late mother. It doesn't diminish the story of
the fact that he was underdrafted, probably because he got
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a d U I and also because he wasn't a
great He wasn't great in terms of his accuracy when
he had to reload. It doesn't take away from the
season he had last year. It's the reality of the
job in which he holds. Quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys
has to be better. Here's Dak There was a team
to tonight and it was a team loss. We're all
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going to take credit in it, um and then it sucks,
but well we'll get better from it and use it
to motivate us. Here's Jason Garrett on how Dac played.
He battled the whole game. Obviously, it wasn't a comfortable
environment to play in. Uh. Certainly, once we got behind
and we had to throw the ball, they were pressuring
him pretty pretty good. But I just thought he stood
in there. He made some players with his feet, made
some plays with his arm. He just battles and plays
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the right way. I don't dispute any of that. But
we didn't play well. I mean there must must throw situations,
and the numbers don't really lie. Those are Those are
situations which usually you put up four yards passing because
you're down. And I'll grant you being on the road
in Atlanta in that type of environment, that type of
pass rush is like being on the road in Denver. Right,
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it's really are That's what that Atlanta defense is designed for.
Designed to get a lead, really in their ears back
and get after you. But the best, the best of
the best, find a way to be better than he us.
And in fairness, he's only in his second year, only
in a second year. But other than that, everything came
(08:09):
out just what like we like, right, just like we
thought it would. Kidding, Okay, I mean the Sames thing
is crazy, crazy, absolutely nuts. Uh. We'll get to what
happened to Notre Dame with Joe Klatt momentarily. I will
point out that Notre Dame's defensive coordinator talking about we
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got rings. We don't like the change, we got rings,
like like words that will live in infamy, but like, look,
that's the most football walk through speech ever, right, tell
him alright, kicked the hell out of him, and then
I'm gonna smash him and they were like, so, if
you believe that's the reason that Notre Dame lost, you
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haven't been in the locker room at any point in
time in your life. But up next, Joe Clatt will
join us. Here's the situation. Mississippi State moved the ball
all evening long on Alabama tie game, couple minutes ago,
fourth quarter, fourth and three, Alabama's forty two yard line,
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out of range of a field goal kicker. Right out
of range of field goal kicker. They punt, punt goes
into the end zone, so it's basically like a twenty
two yard net punt. But even before they punted, you
have Alabama number one in the country at home. Here's
the difference between Bill Belichick and the rest of your
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loser coaches that have a loser mentality. I like Dan Mullen.
If I'm Tennessee now, I want to hire him. I'm Florida,
I want to hire him. He does a tremendous job.
But all you have to do is get one first down,
two yards, three yards, that's it. And instead you punt,
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which turns it over to a college punter, which is
usually not a good option, and it turns it over
to your defense that had performed well, but you're getting
battered and beaten up by Alabama all leavening long. Why
wouldn't you control your own destiny? Why wouldn't you go
for it? My question is always two coaches, what in
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the hell have you been doing with your special situation
plays all year long? That when you have number one
Alabama on the ropes on your own home field, you
choose to allow your nuts to retract into your stomach
and let's punt it. Let's do what coaches have always
done and try and prevent which does one thing prevents
you from winning. So, instead of a week long celebration
(10:45):
for one of the great upsets in the history of
Mississippi State football and yes, I'm a root for chaos
bitter college football fan today, because we would have had
utter and sheer chaos for the first time since nineteen
sixty six, we could have number one, number two, and
number three all lose in Alabama, obviously being the most surprising. Instead,
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Alabama is still undefeated, but more than anything, not going
for it. Who doesn't go for it? Damn Molin. Be
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Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on
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only guy who calls these games that calls dudes out
(11:28):
is Joe Klatt, lead councilor islist for Fox Sports. To
another amazing job. He and Gus just uh fen, I
mean like, look, that's a really good team. And he
joins us. Now on the Doug Gotlip Show, I'll get
to Mississippi State. Uh, giving away a golden opportunity to
take down Alabama and Notre Dame Miami, which I think
the wind might not have surprised people, but the utter
(11:50):
and sheer dominant surprise people. I want to talk about
Oklahoma though, a team you've seen a ton of joel Um, uh,
how have they gotten? So it's like this is a
TCU defense that number one past defense, number one and
run defense and is it simply Baker may feel like
how are they able to light up TCU? Yeah? Well, um,
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first off, thank you for those kind words, and then
and then moving to Oklahoma, Um, they they are the
most dangerous team in America. And I know that they
don't have a great defense, I understand, but they are
literally like a Formula one car um on offense, and
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they I mean, when they want to. Here's the things.
They scored thirty eight points in almost four yards in
the first half and then essentially put the car in
park in the second half. And Lincoln Riley, i think
very astutely said to himself, I might face this team again,
probably going to face this team again in Dallas with
all the marbles on the table in order to get
to the playoff. I'm not going to go out there
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and empty my kitchen sink because I've got more that
I can get to and I'm not going to. And
he just played it out. They had a methodical second half.
The defense was playing well, the defense wasn't playing well.
I'm sure you would have gone out there and gotten aggressive,
but he didn't need to. And and then back to
your question, it's not just simply Mayfield or simply another player.
They've got a really good offensive line, lots of experience,
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they can run, block, they were past protecting like a
mother last weekend. They've got a good, um I would
say stable of pass catchers. And the reason I say
it that way is because Doug, they've got speed. With
Marquis Brown, they've got more of a possession guy, and
Ceedee Lamb who who's also got some speed. He saw
Michael Jones get some touches. You've got Andrews who understands space.
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You've got Dmitri Flowers who can hurt you on third down.
You've got Anderson out of the backfield they can catch you.
You've got Sermon out of the backfield that can catch you.
You've got speed and power and the ability to catch
it throughout the running back group. And then you've got
the quarterback that's probably I think the best player in
the country at this point is a great decision maker.
He plays with a swagger and a risk taking mantra
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all of you know Menzel or Rogers or Farv and
yet he plays with the efficiency of Russell Wilson and
Drew Brees. It's it's really a combination that I haven't
seen in a long time. And I think that they
are uniquely suited to score thirty thirty five, maybe forty
points on anybody in the country, whether it TCU came
in with sixth rated defense in the country, or Alabama
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or Wisconsin or whoever it is. Look, they scored thirty
on Ohio State earlier the year before they even got
ramped up, and now they're playing at even a much
higher level than they were then. It felt like they
did a better job, Joe Clad showing us, it felt
like they did a better job. There's a couple of
plays in which TCU either rush three or only rush
two and just try to contain and drop everybody into coverage.
In the past, that had been the way to slow
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and frust slow and frustrate Baker Mayfield. What did they
do differently because that didn't seem to have nearly the
same effect on him. Yeah. So, and I give Lincoln
Riley a huge, you know, fip of the cap on
this one. So what happens is is that he has
these built in um kind of I would call them
underneath beaters, Doug, because a lot of times what you
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get is you get these teams that want to go
down the field, and so they get caught staring down
the field when teams drop eight or seven into coverage
and there's nowhere to go with the football. But what
Riley has done this he's really layered this passing game
to where even if they're trying to take a shot,
what he does is he has kind of a dual
system in in the intermediate zones or even short zones.
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That allows a guy like Andrews to find some space
or he gets a one on one matchup in those
zones even when they're dropping eight like a Mike Heel
Jones on a little decision route I call it, or
a two way go, or he's got Markis Brown on
an under route, or he's got a back out of
the backfield. Another thing that they did brilliantly is if
you're gonna rush two or three, if you're gonna rush
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those guys and drop everyone out. They cleared everybody out
and then got the one on one matchup with Anderson
on the mic linebacker of the middle linebacker Travan Howard,
and you saw that exploited several times. Wanted a Texas route,
which is kind of a fake out, and then come
back into the middle once just right down the scene
right before the half for the touchdown with seven seconds ago.
So he did a lot of really brilliant things, isolating
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those underneath defenders when they only wanted to rush three. Yeah,
and he got also got a credit Bayfield Mayfield because
right before the half, Lincoln Riley seemed to want to
slow it down and be conservative, and Mayfield was like yeah,
and then he ends up, you know, beating him deep
Like okay, well, okay, you guys can go score again.
Joel Clatten joining is Um on the Doug Gotliep Show
quickly on Mayfield because I have a couple of GM friends.
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Uh they send me text and they were asking about him,
and I thought, you took it to a You've taken
it to a place conversation because people want to say
Menzel because because because he got arrested in Arkansas, right,
they want to say Menzel because he runs around back there.
A lot of people now are saying more Russell Wilson.
I think here's the big question. You know, the position
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you play, the position you evaluate the position for the
NFL draft, and he plays starting quarterback in the NFL
because in that you have to throw from the pocket
and he's he's small. Can you do it? And and
I'm not going to be surprised at all if he's
one of these guys that that rockets up draft boards
during the process once people can talk to him, because remember,
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now he's got that swagger and that leadership ability like
a Russell Wilson or like a Deshaun Watson, that he's
going to step in and he can be an alpha
and that team is going to follow him and lead
him right away, or he'll lead them right away. He's
done that a couple of different schools. He's got the
efficiency to sit in there and he'll take what the
defense gives you. But I think what what goes unpromoted
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or unnoticed about his game right now is I think
he's got one of the better arm talents in all
of college football. We see him make throw after throw,
whether it's down the field or in the intermediate zones.
And he can drive the football, he can layer the football,
and he does all of that with accuracy um and
I think that's one of the things that makes him
really dangerous. I personally believe that he will get selected
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in the first fifteen picks. He's not gonna need everyone
to fall in love with him, and he probably won't
have everyone fall in love with him because he's not
in the prototype. But he's gonna have eight to nine
teams that sit there and say to themselves, boy, that's appealing.
And that player last year was Patrick Mahomes. We've seen
others over the course of the years, and I think
actually the best frit fit for him, Doug is a
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system where a coach came from that Mike Holmgren, Brett
Farve Tree, because they're gonna see a lot of far
Ven him and that's to see everyone's comparing him to
Rill Wilson. I think people are going to get enticed
by the Farv in Baker Mayfield, and then they're gonna
also say to him, say to themselves, he's probably not
as much much of a risk taker as Farv was
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because he plays so efficiently, and he might be the
best of both worlds between a Wilson and a Farv.
And I think this guy is gonna play for a
long time in the National Football League, And shame on
us for not noticing it prior to this big question
is gonna be drafting? Will he be wearing the George
that Brett Farve was wearing That we'll just have to
we'll We'll just have to wait and find out. Joel
Klatt joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show. Um, I
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know you were calling a game so you couldn't watch
it or comment on it in real time, but I
also know the way in which you do your job,
you go back and you pour over things. Uh like, Look,
I think Damn owns a really really good coach. If
I'm if I'm Florida, if I'm Tennessee, I try and
steal him. I just do. On the other hand, he
got the number one team in the country on their heels,
it's fourth and three in their territory, and you punt.
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As soon as he punted, they were losing that game.
Why why why do these coaches continue to do this?
Why do they Why do they not play aggressive at
the important times and uh they play aggressive at the
unimportant times. I don't know. Um, it frustrates me to
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no end sitting in the booth, to be quite honest
with you, because I think a coach's job is to
put the players in position to succeed for that moment
at all times, whether it's the individual play. And this
goes across sports. Do this college basketball's college football? This
is a professional level. You've got to put each player
in position to succeed, and then you gotta put your
team in position to succeed. And I don't think Dan
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Mullen did that, I mean, quite honestly, playing it safe
at that point doesn't do you any good. You play
it safe when you're the favorite. You play it safe
when you're Oklahoma and you can put it in park
and still beat TC, you knowing that you might have
a rematch coming up. You play it safe when you're
Alabama and you're up to scores and you think to yourself, Hey,
if we just play this the right way, we're going
to get out of here with a win. You don't
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play it safe when your Mississippi State and you're Dan
Mullen when you could have a groundbreaking win for your program. Um,
he's a great coach. He's done a lot of really
good things in Mississippi State. I'm a big fan of his.
I'm sure teams are gonna become um knocking on his
door as these vacancies open up across the country. But
but that was frustrating, right, I mean those I thought
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his players deserved more. I don't. That's the way I
I don't know, if you're you're like me, I always
you it from the player's eyes, right, And if I'm
a player on that team, I would have just been
like grinding my teeth on the sidelines, like what is
he doing? Give us a chance? To win, And I
don't think that's what what is what happened? Well, And
the other thing is and like we both know this
and the former player in this like you spend most
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of the season putting in the special situation plays, two
boy conversion plays, Like you said, you know you got
underneath beaters, You've got all these different things in your playbook,
Like is there a better time in the world to
break one out than fourth and three in their territory?
And and and oh yeah, by the way, you still
if you don't get it, you still have to stop him,
Like okay, uh, you have to stop him for twenty
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less yards, like it's more important, but like you still
have to stop him. And the I don't know, you're
just playing not to lose and play as opposed to
playing to win. And we would have had a dramatic
change in kind of the landscape of college football had
that happened. If I will tell you this, I don't
think that Alabama is going to go to the playoff
with a loss. Maybe if the losses to Georgia and
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the SEC champions, maybe, but their their resume at this
at this point is not gonna line up very well.
If they're not a conference champ to Clemson if they
are a conference champer, to Oklahoma, if there are a
conference champ, I mean they are behind those teams as
far as one loss resumes UM at this point. Yeah,
but they're they're gonna play Auburn, They're gonna play Georgia,
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and so had they lost that game and they won
the next two way, I guess you would they would
have two losses. If you're saying basically what I'm saying
is like they need to be a conference champ even
with the loss. They don't have a great resume. Um.
Everyone wants to just annoying Alabama all the time. Their
resume is not very good. It's more similar to Wisconsin
than it was similar to Georgia before this last weekend.
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That being said, I want to go back to what
you were saying about the situational plays and all the
things that you work on during the course of the year.
What annoys me to no end is the coaches are
are the coaches that use those special type of plays
when there's no risk, you know they're playing the citadel
or mercer and you see a trick player, you see
some you know extravagant play calling kind of sequence, if
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you will, and they pull out all these tricks and
it's like that is so chicken like. Do it when
the chips are down right, do it when it's Alabama.
That's what you practice them for. And all this. I
get this whole garbage from coaches all the time. I'll
ask them about it and they'll tell me like, well,
we're doing so the opposing teams will have to prepare
for it. Why don't you save it and then beat
those teams with it? You know? It Just it drives
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me nuts. I think it's it's one of the things
that that coaches need to uh look at themselves in
the mirror about it is in my game, of my kids,
the best chance to win the game. I m look.
I thought Miami completely out athleted Notre Dame. Notre Dame
looked slow and plotting, much like they did trying to
block Georgia as well. But i've i've I also thought
they were intimidated. Whether it's the crowd or the athleticism
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or tenacity of of of the Miami defense. I felt
like you could feel Notre Dame being intimidated watching them
just shrivel and and you know, normally I get onto
Brian Kelly about pulling a quarterback. But when we left
no choice, he was he was totally flustered and unable,
unable to to lead that team. And that's now, there
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wasn't a better scenario. There wasn't a better option backing
him up. But I I saw a team come unraveled
right on my television screen. Yeah, and that was something
that I did not predict. And and listen, I do
have experience with this because as a player, I had
to go down and we played at Miami. Now it
was in September, not November, but that was the top
ten Miami team when we played him in two thousand
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and five. UM. At one point during that year they
were third in the country behind Texas and usc UM.
And I can tell you that there is not a
better Bandwagon fan base in the country. And I'm not
trying to rip on him with that. I'm just saying, like,
are good. You know, when things are good at a
tough place to play, I mean really tough place to play.
That's and and I experienced that in my playing career,
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and I think that's what notre Name experienced that envi
nament was as good as an environment that that Miami
has had in over a decade. And kudos to that
fan base for for coming out and showing out at
the most important time. Now, they certainly don't do that
on a consistent basis. And I understand the challenges and
and and the distance from campus and so on and
so forth, and so this is not a knock. But they,
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I mean, when they are good, they know how to
be good. And if you want to call that bandwagon
or whatnot, front running, I really don't care what you
call it. That that fan base showed up and I
totally agree with you. I thought whim Bush was completely overwhelmed.
And I saw him on the road and what I
thought was a big environment at Michigan State earlier this year,
and he was very good. Now the defense got a
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couple of turnovers and put him up in a in
a good position. That's when you see what a quarterback
is really made up, Doug. I can tell you from experience,
when you put a team into a what should be
an evenly matched scenario or a huge environment on the road,
and then all of a sudden, that field starts to
tilt and the momentum falls away from you as an offense.
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That right there, that situation is where quarterbacks become either
great or average, and the great ones pull their team
up and they retilt the field, whether it's just back
to even or not. Those quarterbacks play and own the
moment versus the moment owning them. And that's what I witnessed.
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I went back and actually watched the game because I
wanted to see what actually happened, and whim Bush just
kind of shriveled in the moment. The moment certainly owned
him last thing. And I know you gotta go. We
gotta go as well. Forget scenarios and forget um strength
of schedule. If Joe cladd is picking the four best
college football teams in the country, who are they right now?
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This is and I'll give you them in order, um
from four to one, My four best teams in the country,
Number four? Or is Wisconsin dominant over a team that
put four seven yards on on Ohio State last week?
So Wisconsin and for Miami at three four turnovers in
fourth straight game, Alabama survived first time in thirty seven games.
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They didn't have a takeaway, but they were able to
score two touchdowns late and come from behind. My number
one team the country right now is Oklahoma. I will
tell you this right now, Doug. If Oklahoma can get
out of the Big Twelve, because the matchups in the
Big Twelve are not easy for them because they don't
play great defense. But if they can get out of
the Big Twelve and face some of these teams that
struggle to put up points, which is almost everybody else
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in the top ten, watch out their most favorable matchups
actually happened in the playoffs versus what's happening now in
the back end of their Big Twelve season. Uh, you're
you're in Wisconsin this weekend, are you? I am Wisconsin, Michigan.
I cannot wait to get up there, my first game
in the Badger Stadium and Madison, Wisconsin should be going off.
But Doug, dude, I'm a Southern California kid. Now it's
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gonna be thirty degree. Well, the great thing is. The
great thing is you're gonna be in a beautiful suit
with a really nice tie, and Gus is gonna be
in some awesome jacket with some like Gus man like
he's ready to go out and he looks awesome. But
it's it's Camp Randall Stadium really important. And but but
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as much as they might dislike you, right now, I'm
telling you, right now, Michigan is gonna win that game.
That's the type of year. This is. Michigan never went
hasn't win a big road game with hardball. They go
in there, they win him, they beat him, and it
becomes chaos all over again. I really think. So. Yeah, yeah,
I know the defense has been bad wide receiver last week?
Is that? Is that? Is that bad? Is that a
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bad thing? I mean, it's just the thing. It's it's
just a nugget. Yeah, I know. I just I'm not
a huge believer in Uh, Wisconsin's about to throw the
football either. I think classic kind of Big ten. It
feels like classic Big ten football. But mad Town will
be awesome. Uh say, travels. In the meantime, enjoy Newport
and the warmth until you get on that planet. That's
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Joel Klatt joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox
Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Are the
Saints Really this good? Are? Wait? Are the Rams really
this good? Are the vikings of the Vikings like that
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doesn't need like roll off the tongue like the Vikings
in case tenum or even if it getsn't Teddy Bridgewater?
But the Vikings, are they really this this good? And
I thought about Colorado football last year? Right, remember Colorado football? Man?
Color of football back awesome, second best team in the
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Pack twelve. For a while there people thought they were
the best team in the Pack twelve. And then you
start to realize, like, are they right? Was it about Colorado?
Or was it about the fact that Oregon was an
abject disaster because of all their injuries and they obviously
made a coaching change. Was it USC getting off to
(29:57):
an awful start? Right? You c l A litany of injuries,
all kinds of unrest u c l A was supposed
to be good. USC actually pounded Colorado. Um, but USC
was supposed to be good, but they got off to
a bad start. You know, cal ends up making a
coaching changer so bad Stanford was just okay as opposed
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to being domin and so like you look around and
Colorado football last year was surprising and good, but a
lot of it was about the teams that the schedule
of that year, and the other teams that were supposed
to be good in the Pac twelve not nearly being
nearly as good for a variety of reasons. Then you
look around the NFL. Is it about the Eagles, Sure some,
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but part of it is the Giant season is a
complete dumpster fire. O b j wasn't healthy to start,
their offensive line wasn't very good, so they got off
behind the eight ball. Then he comes back and they
started play a little bit better, but then he gets hurt.
He's out for the year. Uh generous. Jenkins starts no
showing on stuff. They implode. Cowboys don't have Tyrone Smith.
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They're playing a more difficult schedule. Zeke Elliott gonna be suspended,
any spending gonna be spending, any spending gonna be is suspended.
They have some losses this year. You wouldn't expect them
to take on the Green Baby. So the Eagles are good,
The egos are very good. Their front seven is outstanding.
Carson Wentz we all agree, is a tremendous, tremendous young quarterback.
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But are they best team in NFL? Good? Maybe, or
maybe it's more about the Cowboys dysfunction, the Giants of
the Giants dysfunction, and the Cowboys having an uneven season
because injuries, suspension, difficulty of schedule. Right, it's the same
thing with the Minnesota Vikings. Like the Vikings is good,
like they're they're good, but Aaron Rodgers being hurt. Uh.
(31:55):
Now they're starting tailback being hurt, Brian Bulaga being hurt. Uh.
I mean even go back to the Cowboys, Sean Lee
gimby hamstring, he'd missed some games earlier. That's when they
couldn't stop the run, like Shanley is the most important
part of their defense. My point is, and I think
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the Rams are probably the most legitimate because the excuses
or explanations I could make for the Seahawks, you can't
go as much to injury. Their offensive lined and bad.
It just wasn't good out of the shoot. Now, did
they lose Chris Carson was their best running back? Sure?
Fair um, and now they've lost Richard Sherman, which is
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going to help the Rams in the end. But the
Rams and they should have beaten It was the Seahawks
right where Cooper cup Crop. They dropped the touchdown pass.
But I guess my point, I was trying to get
to is and Saints are like this, right? Are the
Saints really that good? Like? They're good? But some of
it comes down to the injuries and dysfunction in Tampa, uh,
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injuries and dysfunction and uneven play in Carolina from cam
and Atlanta, trying to adjust to a new offensive coordinator
and shaking off the bug of post Super Bowl loss
to the Patriots, you know, heightened expectations and a completely
(33:26):
new offensive play caller, and it hasn't messed all that well.
So the Saints good. Like, Look, the Saints are a
lot better than we thought they were. And I declared
them dead and they were not dead, and they found
a way to get to seven and two, winning seven
in a row. But some of this is not as
much about them as it is about everybody else. If
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you can simply keep your quarterback healthy, uh, if you
can avoid complete and total dysfunction, if you can keep
the core of what you want to do intact, just survive.
All these other issues take teams that really, on paper
and in reality, at full strength, the Cowboys are better
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than all those teams. At full strength. The Packers with
Aaron Rodgers are better than the vikings Um at full strength.
Who would you bet on Seattle or the Rams in
the playoffs? You'd still take Seattle. Everybody would. Everybody would,
And I think that's a fair way to look at it.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. You're
gonna hear me talk about Lebron James here for a
couple minutes, and you're gonna think I don't respect um Lebron.
I do. I think Lebron is an incredible basketball player.
But I think when you surround yourself with all your
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buddies and you guys all kind of come up together,
and you guys all see a bunch of success, like
the rest of the world, maybe and maybe the real
world doesn't view you as you view yourself, doesn't understand
your story like you view your story like Lebron views
his story as one of the great all time uh
(35:12):
come from nothing stories. He says, like, I'm not supposed
to be here now. Look. My point would be like, hey,
did your six two sixty pounds? Where the hell else
she's supposed to be other than an athletic field. And yes,
his buddies all grew up in Akron together and or
met along the way, and they've all become successful in
(35:33):
their chosen field. But a lot of that began. You
have to have a backer, right, and they had the backer.
The best player in the NBA was their backer. And
I'm not gonna do business with you unless you do
business with my guy. Yeah, Rich Paul has become one
of the power players in the NBA. But if not
for Lebron James, none of it possible. So how he
views his story and how other people so, how he
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hears his comments about filled action and how they're perceived
are two completely different things. Here's the initial comment to
which Lebron James made about Dennis Smith of the Dallas Mavericks.
The Knicks pass on a on a really good one
and the Dallas and Dallas got the diamond and rough
he should be a nick. That's gonna make some hair lines,
but he should be a nick. But uh, Dallas is definitely.
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I know they're excited that he didn't go there. So
his unbelievable talent, athleticism very poised to be his age,
can shoot the ball compenetrate. He's gonna only get better
and better with the opportunity that he's given here to play.
Dallas got a good one. Of course, that did not
sit well. It doesn't sit well with New York right. Um.
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He went on today, He went on and said I
had nothing but respect for him as a coach talking
about Uh uh, excuse me, we're talking about Phil Jackson today.
He said, Oh, yeah, that's definitely a shot at him,
that's for sure. Uh. James of course confirmed his comments
were directed towards Jackson, who part of ways with the
Knicks this past June, less than a week after presiding
(37:05):
over the Knicks selection of French guard. How are we
pronouncing his last game name Dan? I thought it was
in til Aquina? Is that correct? I thought one of
the letters were silent, and I thought it was the
the T. But um confirmation. Okay, let's just say Frank
and til Aquina. Um. So what Lebron's like? No, No,
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that was a shot at Phil Jackson. Phil was just
a small piece of the Knick's recent struggles. Well, he
was a big piece of it. Actually. I don't have
no problem with the Knicks organization. I wasn't there, so
I don't know the insights are everything. Y'all know how
they handled Carmelo situation. But I'm not a fan of
Phil Jackson though I think you guys already know that.
Let's not that's the past though he's not even here anymore,
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like you want to talk about back pedaling and sounded
like a complete buffoon. I think Lebron James is great.
I think he's bright. I think he's a talent basketball player.
And he knew what he was doing here, right, he
knew in talking about Dennis Smith, he was tweaking the
knicks and it's gonna make headlines. You said it to
make headlines, not realizing that they took a point guard
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who they kind of like. And oh yeah, by the way,
you just crushed him saying Dennis Smith is better. And
then you're like, well, I didn't know. There's a lot
of stuff going on, and Phil had a lot of
stuff going on. Look, we're not gonna hold if you
want to hold Phil Jackson responsible for every traffic, that's okay.
But you thought Jabas Napier was the best player in
(38:37):
college basketball. You tweeted as such, right, your team that
is struggling. That can't guarden anybody hand selected by you.
The contracts that were handed out in Cleveland to your
teammates which have been a little too burdensome in terms
of adding other players, those were guys done by your
agent with your fingerprints on it. Like you don't like
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Phil Jackson, Okay, he probably didn't like you. But the
same thing that you and many others in the NBA
ques Phil of doing talking about other players, talking about
Lebron James who didn't play for you. Now you're talking
about Dennis Smith, You're talking about Frank and Tila Quina.
You're talking about dudes who you don't play with or
didn't play for you, who have nothing to do with
(39:21):
your team. You're doing the exact same thing, and you're
commenting about stuff you don't know anything about. I want
all these guys that thought the Knicks were a joke
for passing on Justice Winslow and taking christophs prezingis. I
want all those idiots to step up and go like, hey,
you know what, Phil nailed it. And I'm not gonna
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sit here and support Phil because he didn't surround himself
with enough people who knew what he didn't know. But
you know what he didn't know. He knew that KP
was better and gonna be a better pro. He had
him number one on the board, by the way, Phil
Jackson and Jason Tatum number one on his board this year.
Documented just Google searching. So I like Lebron, but god,
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he's just he's he's petty. He's incredibly petty for being
incredibly talented and well respected. Maybe that's what makes him
talented and and what maybe that's what makes him great
is he is like Jordan's He is petty, but he's
petty about a lot of stuff that has nothing to
do with him. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports
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(40:30):
at Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I
Heart Radio app. And Jerry Jones wants to go to
the mattresses. This is all out war him against Godell. Hey,
we gotta adjust leagues, changing leagues, evolving. All these other
owners they don't see what's coming. I see what's coming.
I know this is bad. Football isn't a bad place.
And other blanks like, look, we already approved all this stuff.
(40:50):
And Jerry Jones wants to talk to him. He ain't
talking to him. Jerry Jones wants to call him, he
ain't call him. Does it seem childish a little bit?
A little bit like you mean to tell me that
Arthur Blank couldn't just meet with Jerry Jones. Like all right, Jerry,
I'll hear you out, but I'm not changing my opinion.
But I think we've all heard where Jerry Jones stands,
(41:12):
based upon the fact that he wants to hire the
attorney that Harvey Weinstein hired to dig up dirt on
Goodell so that the other owners won't approve this contract extension. Like, look,
I don't think it's crazy what Jerry Jones is doing.
I don't think it's crazy the idea of I know
we approved the contract. I understand we approved the contract,
but that was in May. This is November. A lot
(41:34):
has changed. But the way he's going about it is
so abrasive, so abrupt um. Jerry is taking credit for
many of the good things in the league and putting
all of the blame on the shoulders of Roger Goodell.
(41:54):
Like here's the crazy thing. Jerry Jones is like, look,
I helped move those teams to l A. And maybe
he did help broke were the deal. But one of
the reasons that no one discusses that fans are piste
off at the NFL is because they left San Diego.
They left St. Louis and they threatened to leave your
market unless you build them a stadium. And look, I've
(42:18):
I'm someone who's come out and said, like, San Diego
is a bunch of dopes. Dopes have they built a
stadium to which the Chargers would have played ten games
a year, and that's a ten in downtown. They would
have had a facility that could host any event. They
would have gotten major Bowl games, they would have gotten
the Final Four is a Dome stadium. They've gotten major
soccer events there too. You get World Cup when that
(42:40):
comes into You get anything you possibly want in San
Diego if you have a stadium, specifically a downtown stadium,
and yeah, the public has to pay for it. Don't
like it, They'll take it somewhere else. But Jerry Jones
only taking credit for the positives in moving franchises. Meanwhile,
you got people in Oakland are ticked, People in San
(43:03):
Diego are ticked. People in St. Louis are ticked. Like
you're making a lot of people mad, and this is
what Jerry Jones does. It's a lot like Jerry Jones.
He might be right, zeke Ellett might not have done anything,
but you know he was the same owner who who
signed Greg Hardy and stood by him, right,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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