December 14, 2017 • 37 mins
Doug thinks Thunder general manager Sam Presti deserves praise for what he's done in Oklahoma City regardless of how things turn out with Russell Westbrook, Paul George, and Carmelo Anthony. He's also worried new Browns management is making the same bad decisions old Browns management use to make. Malik Jackson from the Jaguars joins the show to talk about the wild ending to their game against the Seahawks
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the fact that it's audible recording. All right, let's let's
get to some cool stuff, shall we. Last night, the
Thunder survived a furious rally. Only all rallies are furious
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by the right way. A furious rally by the Indiana Pacers.
And of course the Pacers are only really interesting because, uh,
they were a team left for dead by most basketball pundits,
not me, but most basketball pundits. And they've been surprisingly
decent so far this year. They're above five the Thunder
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below five hundred. The Thunder won the game, West beats East,
not a surprise. Maybe it's the fact that Russell Westbrook,
Paul George, and Carmelo Anthony all shot the ball poorly,
and yet it was Steve Adam's nine offensive boards that
kind of saved the day. Russell Westbrook did have a
triple double, but the shooting numbers, as they have been
all season long, were atrocious, and so it's caused many people,
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including my brethren Colin Cowherd to say, like, hey, cut bait,
time to go. It's over. By the way, rob Ryan
is gonna join his upcoming in twenty minutes. We'll ask
him about the Steelers Patriots matchup. Will also ask him
about the Chargers Chiefs matchups. A couple of great matchups
this weekend in the a f C specifically, and some
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good NFC stuff to grow with Aaron Rodgers back against
the Carolina Panthers. You know, when an injured player comes back,
it allows me, Ramos, you and I huge movie nuts
um two um to to discuss sweeping the leg right
and like music sitting there and he may be nodding
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his head like he knows what sweet the leg is,
but he doesn't really know what sweet the leg is? Right, Well,
what do you mean, I don't actually know what that means? Well,
what is the term sweep the leg from? It's from
Karate Kid, So how would it apply in the Aaron
Rodgers case? Ah, he well, yeah, I don't know. I'm
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not I'm not sure exactly Ramos. Ramos was right, Ramos,
I do not know, And I'll tell you right up front.
You don't know, like you know the lake well, like
look the The idea of sweeping the leg is, uh,
when a guy is a guy is coming back from
an injury, and he might or might not be healed,
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you might or might not take an extra hard shot
at the shoulder in question, because hey, if he happens
to get hurt, he's on a football field. I'm not
saying doing anything dirty. I'm saying sweep the leg. Yes,
since I uh, still nothing music, no, I mean I
get it now. Yeah, Okay, I'm just trying to think,
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what the h is there going? Is there a movie
to which your kids will watch? Now? I mean, if
you go, I guarantee if you go back and track
in the early eighties when Karate Kid came out, like
every parent put their son in karate afterwards, and the
irony too, it was we had actually moved out from
New York, we moved to the Valley, we moved to
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Orange County. But there was just a lot of things
about it if you remember early in the movie. Anyway,
we'll talk about sweeping the Leg and with with Rob
Bryan who said to join us upcoming in fifteen minutes.
Let's let's get back to Let's get back to the
Oklahoma City. Thunder. You know, oftentimes when we look back
at deals that are made and whether or not they work.
Were sports, like any business, becomes a bottom line business.
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Did it work? Did you win a championship? Ultimately, if
you want a championship and you made a trade or
you made an acquisition, then it became the right one
and if you didn't win a championship, then it wasn't
the right one at the time. Right. But the fact
is that at the time or considering the context of it,
it can be very different. And the Oklahoma City Thunder
of the best possible example of this. Right. They were
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a nice team, they were a good story. They were
a lot like in all honesty, the Portland Trailblazers two
years ago. Right, two years ago, the Portland Trailblazers were
coming off one of their best seasons and La Marcus
Aldrich had bailed and gone to the San Antonio Spurs,
and everyone left the Portland Trailblazers for dead. They surprised
people with their regular season performance, and then they came
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to they got to the playoffs and you saw their
ceiling and they're kind of stuck in that they're good,
but they're not really going to compete for a title
unless they can add some other pieces. And to this point,
I think we've come to realize that pieces don't want
to be added to the Portland Trailblazers. And that's really
what happened with the Oaklahoma City Thunder last year. They
were a lot better than people could have expected. Russell
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Westbrook statistically had a historical season. First players since out
um Oscar Robertson to Averager triple doubling. He was the
NBA's mb P. But that wasn't a great team. That
wasn't a burgeoning star team, that wasn't one that was
going to truly compete for an NBA title. You had
the Spurs ahead of it, you had the Rockets out
of him, you had the the Golden State Warriors ahead
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of them, and then you had the chasers like the
Minnesota Timberwolves, and and before Gordon Hayward left, you had
the Utah Jazz the Pelicans to a certain extent, the
Clippers were right there with them before Chris Paul decided
to bail. So while while so many people are gonna
point out Hey Westbrook struggling with his shooting, Carmelo Anthony
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looks lost. Billy Donovan doesn't seem to have the ability
to bring mellow off the bench. They can't figure out
defensive rotations, nor can they figure out general player rotations.
We're not halfway through the season, and oh yeah, by
the way, we're looking at this all wrong. We're looking
at this all wrong. People are Everyone looks in kind
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of a linear fashion, like the is in a vacuum.
Like you had a good team with young talent surrounding
town and you bailed on that talent to to go
for the gusto. But that's what we encourage teams to do.
And by the way, this is the only way in
which Oklahoma City can truly be successful in landing players.
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And you can't have this conversation with somebody from Oklahoma
right from somebody from small town America. I'm a California
who Oklahoma City, in the state of Oklahoma. That's like
a second home to me. I feel very comfortable. I
play basketball there, I did radio there, I continue to
do radio there. I'm like a kind of a quasi
celebrity there. It's a great place for me. Like my
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my family, We've often said, like you know, like what
do we just picked up stakes and we did what
we did from Like, we're just I'll just find a
way to create a studio there, like you know, cost
living low. All my wife's families there, We have tons
of friends there. We actually are going there for New
Year's New Year's the thunder play on New Year's Eve.
I think I'm gonna take my son and then Oklahoma
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Ce is a cool place to go out. It's safe.
I know a bunch of people are just gonna send
it master, you know, group text, group email. Hey, meet
us here and we're gonna go have some drinks. Same
thing in Tulsa. But like remember I played basketball at
Oklahoma State. I'm a quasi like I My wife's from there,
like most of these guys. They You're not getting a
free agent to sign in Oklahoma City. That's why they
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had to trade for Victor Olatipo. That's why they had
to trade for Paul George. That's why I had they
had to trade for Carl Milo Anthony. There is zero
point zero chance that those guys, unless there is some
sort of tie. They married a girl really from Oklahoma
is probably the only tie. Or even if they're best
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friends with Russell Westbrook, like Russell Westbrook. They had to
give him that the biggest deal in the history of
the NBA. Otherwise he's gonna go home to l A.
So I get that, We're, hey, this might not be working,
and you might it might not ever work, But that
doesn't take away from the fact that Sam Presty had
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to try. And it also should be pointed out that
this is we've discussed in the past days, the the
drop ad date for classes, right where you get to
a certain point of semester, You're like, you know, I've
wanted to I wanted to do eighteen credits. I've wanted
to get close to graduation. But I'm just failing stat
and I'm failing you know whatever. Uh pottery one oh one,
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And you know I watched Ghosts the movie, and so
I thought pottery be a good place to pick up checks.
Turns out you actually have to make bulls and stuff.
I can do it right, And you get to a
certain point the special You're like, just drop them. You
know why even get why I get a D and
have it bring your g P A down? Or why
get a seed have bring your g P A down? Like,
let's stick with the Asian bs. Honestly, you would never
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drop a seat, but let's see, it's a d or
and after you just drop it. But there are certain
classes to which you have to see all the way through. Sorry, Bob,
you're gonna have to do this to graduate. And that's
what Oklahoma City has to do. They're not bailing on
Paul George mid season, not trading him away that trading way,
Carmelo Anthony and the sure as hell not trading away
Russell Westbrook. They went for it. They're gonna see it through.
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If you remember two years ago, they were a dysfunctional
mess until they got to the playoffs and they nearly
unseated the Golden State Warriors after beating the San Antonio
Spurs in the playoffs. And maybe it's because of that,
Maybe it's because they understand they're not going to get
a free agent to sign there, or maybe it's because
they just want to see the process all the way through.
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But whatever it is, we have a screwed up perspective
that all of a sudden, you sprinkle pixie dust on
Paul George and Carmelo Anthony and put him with Russell Westbrook.
You trimmed down the bench because they were too two
for one trades and the thunder are supposed to be
right away, and that's just not reality. Not reality has
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never been the reality. So I look at it, and
I think people are and I'm just as guilty of
this as anybody. Right, you jumped the gun, and you
assume you know exactly what's gonna happen, exactly how this
thing is going to turn out, and you truthfully have
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zero idea. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Let's Welcome in, Rob Bryan. You can hear Sundays on
Fox Sports Radio starting at one o'clock Eastern time, reacting
to all the games as they take place. And Rob,
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I want to start with the Marquee game and we'll
kind of work from there. The Patriots taken on the Steelers.
I want to start with the Steelers though, because I
was freaking out about the Patriots like many people in America,
but I also was very I'm very cautious about the
Steelers future because their defense was i mean destroyed by
the Baltimore Ravens, who don't have a good offense. They
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scored thirty eight points. How much of it is what
I've been asking anybody, how much of it was not
having shas here and how much of it is to
carry over from the physicality in the short week of
playing against Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, I think it's got to
be a little bit of both. I mean, I know
She's here is a great player, but yeah, that Fitsburgh
defense has really played pretty well most of the year
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and that Yeah, they looked terrible in that game. And
it's a good thing Rafflesburger could bail him out with
the five yards passing themselves. So uh too, great defensive
teams in that short week certainly didn't look like very
good defensive teams, uh in that game. Okay, so we
we we know the Miami Dolphins followed the script of
so many teams. I mean, that's that was basically the
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New York Giants in the Super Bowl two times over. Right,
If you can, if you can get to Tom Brady
force him off the spot with just four guys, you
can play press man coverage. And granted they did not
have they don't have Edelman, obviously, all year and they
don't have the didn't have Rob Gronkowski. But forgive me
if I'm wrong that that doesn't feel like that's the
Steelers style, right, So can the Steelers play the style
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of defense which had the Patriots looking completely unsettled? Well?
Remember does all training camp? That's all they talked about.
They were playing all this man coverage and uh, they
were doing that in the O. T A S Training camp,
you know, getting ready, uh, you know for man coverage
against the Patriots. But you really haven't seen him play
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it that much, you know. Now. The loss of Joe
Hayden obviously hurt that. But it'll be interesting to see
what they do. But uh, you know, here's the thing.
I mean, everyone's that's the way you gotta beat them.
It's hard to beat that team. If you just line
up in man coverage, They're gonna find a way to score,
uh as well. I mean they've they can jump in
those stacks and bunches and get crossing routes like they
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love to hit, and those deep over routes. So uh,
you know, I think that you know, that is a blueprint.
I mean it's it's it's worked before against them. But
I think The best thing is make make Brady post snap,
read what you're doing, and you have to be multiple
in your attack. This is the first game where look,
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they weren't they weren't real multiple. They just got after him.
They whipped them up front. Uh, you know they had
to try to protect uh Sue and and Chip on Wake.
But that left Jordan Phillips on a one on one
with with the left guard tuning that's really been struggling,
and he was He was all over Brady with the
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pressure up the middle like you talked about. And then
those receivers they couldn't get off a press. They had
a bad game, but I can promise you they're working
all weeks. They're gonna get off a press. We had
to do it before we played Caroline in the Super
Bowl when I was there, Uh, you know at New England,
and you know, it's something that you gotta master. You've
gotta master your releases. And uh, Miami just got all
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over him and and really physically took a tomb without Gronkowski,
How can how can Kenny Britt be effective? I mean
it feels like he's he's a bigger wide receiver, but
he's a guy who's had some injuries, so he's not
fleet of foot. I mean, how can I guy, And
I know they've been they've been unbelievable. You talk to
NFL people and you'll say, what's the best thing the
Patriots do. They're like, no one's better on the waiver
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wire than Bill Belichick. They're incredible. So so what what
do they see in Kenny Britt as opposed to what
maybe the rest of the league might be missing. Well,
I mean I would think, you know, like you talked
about his size and uh, you know, he can probably
win those jump balls, those one on ones, and and
really they are lacking size out there, you know, Um,
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especially with that Alan's not playing well for him, and
then uh, when Gronkowski was missing, you know, so I
think I think this guy could add him some size
and uh, you know, we'll see and and look, they've
they've had David Givens, They've had guys like that where
they picked these kids up and they end up playing
well for him. So uh, you know, and if I'm
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Kenny Britt, I'm excited about going to New England, playing
with Tom Brady and uh and showing what I can do.
I mean, he's never had that opportunity. Well, that's the
voice of Rob Bryan. You can hear him one o'clock
Eastern time, ten o'clock Pacific every Sunday on Fox Sports
Radio as he breaks down the games as they take place.
It's it's phenomenal radio. It's like it's like having the
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cheek coach. Really to how to listen to her or
watch football? All right, the uh, the Kansas City Chiefs
look better, but you know, some of it you got
to take into consideration the competition. Now they welcome in
the l A Chargers. Give me your thoughts on how
on this version of the Chiefs and how they match
up with the Bolts. Well, I'll tell you what I mean.
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I mean, nobody's playing as good as Philip Rivers is
right now. So he he's on fire. So that two's defense,
which had really been struggling all year except for last
week when they benched Marcus Peters and played Riethus and
Levius played really well. Uh you know, so it was
it was strange to see him play so well. Uh,
that the teams are going to have to do that.
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I mean, this offense is clicking, and so is their defense.
I mean the Chargers are really playing, uh, great complementary football.
They're they're rushing the past, we're playing great defense, getting turnovers,
and then they're doing a great job on a balanced attack.
Uh you know, they're running the ball better now and
obviously they're throwing it exceptionally well with Rivers. So, uh,
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Kansas City drew the probably the hottest team in football
right now going in their place, and it's just unfortunate
for the Charges they had such a bad start. Okay,
let's let's get to the Green Bay Packers. Welcome back
in Aaron Rodgers. They're gonna take on the Carolina Panthers,
who do at least last week against the depleted Minnesota
Vikings team had a very good path us rush last week.
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Um I jokingly talked about the old sweet the leg, right,
go after the end, guys injured, you know, if you can,
if you can get a shot at him sweek the leg.
Is there a way in which as a as a
as a defensive guru, you can tell your team to
sweep the leg without without violating any NFL rules? Well,
I mean I don't know, now, I mean, you know,
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you know, out of respect for it for the league,
you know, respect for the game. They're gonna go after them.
They're gonna hit this guy as hard as they can.
I mean, that's you know, something that you know you're
going after. You've got to stop Aaron Rodgers. You've got
to hit him. You've got to, you know, get him
from making those huge plays that he makes. Rely he
gets outside of the pocket and things. But there's no
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bounties anymore, I know that. But uh, you know, obviously
he's he's the source of the of all all the
pack of success. He's a source of the passing game. Uh,
you're gonna have to, you know, hit him. And and
the thing is of me. These next two weeks, he's
playing about as good as there is on defense. They're
playing the Panthers, and then they followed up with the Vikings,
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who are the best defensive football. So, uh, this is
gonna be tough. But uh, you know, with Rodgers, it
just has that feel like if here he comes again,
and and you've seen him be successful against every every
defense in the league. So I'm sure Aaron he'll be
running for his life back there. But you know, he's
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got that quick release and all that. He's gonna need it.
And uh, uh to me. You know Cam Newton, hey,
you know how he's up and down and things like that.
But he's been playing really well and they're getting him
to run the football now. So the Packers are gonna
have their work cutout stopping that offense at Carolinas. And
you know it's gonna be uh come down to Rogers
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against that great Panthers defense. Okay, Uh, the Philadelphia goes
lose Carson Wentz and they were placing with Nick Foles.
You've been in this league a long time. I'll big
a drop off. Do you thin think there is between
wins and foals? Well, I think there's a huge drop offs.
I think Wentz was playing arguably the m v P
of the league. I mean he was. He was having
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an unbelievable sophomore year and uh, you know with Folds,
he can get hot. He's been consistent. He had the
one great year where he was he had the twenty
seven touchdowns on the two picks. We actually beat him
when I was in New Orleans in the playoffs. But
he was playing really well. But uh, you know there's
a drop off obviously. I mean this this Wentz is
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something special, and uh he's done so many great things
with his legs, with his feet, where Folds is not
that guy. Folds is going to have a hard time
uh in the pocket, you know, of getting outside of
the pocket. And and the Giants have to do, you know,
have to put that pass rush on him that's been
kind of missing this year. They need they need to
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generate the pass rush, uh, you know, to get him going.
And but I think I think obviously going into Schwartz
has got great defense out there with Philadelphia. I think
Peterson and uh, those coaches have done a great job
Frank Reich of you know, game planning and doing special
plays and using those new running backs that they're doing.
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So I think it's not all gonna come on Folds.
But again, I think there's gonna be a significant drop
off with Folds two wins. That's the voice of Rob Bryan.
You'll hear him on Fox Sports Radio one o'clock Eastern
time upcoming this Sunday, every Sunday, matter of factor in
the NFL season. Coach, we really appreciate contributing to the show.
Thanks so much, and we'll hear you on Sunday on
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Fox Sports Radio. All right, Doug, you take care and
I don't think that last Christmas song was anything like
being Crossby. It was definitely not like thing Crosby. I
appreciate at least you you understand where I'm coming from.
That's looks good. Oh is not good. It's a little
bit of a running gag here, coach. But anyway, Rob
Bryan joining us. Be sure to catch live editions of
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The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. I think I think what John Dorsey
was trying to say, what the senator was trying to say,
was supporting Hugh Jackson. Was saying, like, look, Hugh Jackson
is not a bad coach. But but I also think
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I also think there's some damage done here by John Dorsey,
who was the new gentlemanager of the Browns, which is
just not needed here. He is the show is called
the Really Big Show in Cleveland. Here's Dorsey discussing Hugh
Jackson as a head coach of the team now and
in the future. You gotta get a guy like that players,
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and you know what, I'll come straight out with it.
You know what, the the guys who were here before
that system, they didn't get real players. And I think
as Bill Parcels would always say, you are your record
and you know what there it is. So that's the
truth teller in this thing. Um, And I'm gonna do
my darndist to get to players and that all I
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can ask for, and that's all I'm gonna do. I
like the man, Yeah, look I like the man too. Um.
The people I've talked in the NFL like you, Hugh
the guy, like you the offensive coordinator. Not so sure
about Hugh the uh uh, Hugh the the head coach.
But like, what is the wind there? Endorse e? Right,
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what what is the win in saying he didn't get
him players? Because that means do you want every player
in that locker room to think you're an a hole?
Is that what we're trying to do, because that's what
you did. You just said these guys think. Now there's
a portion of them that aren't good enough. There's a
portion of the decisions that made that weren't great decisions.
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But like this is the classic mistake that college coaches
make when they come in and they're like, wait till
my guys get here, you know, and then anybody who's
left behind, even the good players, like I'm not your guy.
Either I want to transfer or they never truly buy in,
and then you have a rift between the team. I mean,
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this is like just a GMPR one oh one, isn't it,
to which you don't say anything negative. You simply say, look,
they've God bless the guys that came here before. They
had a philosophy, minds slightly different. Uh. Some of what
they did was great. Some of what they did hasn't worked.
We're gonna try and do more of the things that work.
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We're gonna try and continue to get guys players. If
you wanted to say he didn't have enough mature NFL
talent to truly see how good an NFL coaches, it's
an unfair gauge like that would be fair. But saying
they didn't have good enough players and I'm gonna have
to I'm gonna get him good enough players. Think about
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if you're in the locker room, what does this mean
for Joe Thomas and I know that this previous regime
didn't get him Joe Thomas, he was there beforehand, Like,
what does it mean? How do you feel? I mean,
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think about your boss at your work and even if
you're doing a good job right, businesses struggling and your
boss comes in, they're like all right, well you know
for example, um, I mean just just think if if
your boss took over and says, hey, the previous guy
you are people that are any good and you're like, wait,
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that guy hired me, Like no, no, no no, not you.
I'm not talking about you. I'm talking to everybody else.
Like that doesn't work. He went on radio in Cleveland
and said the guys that got aren't good enough. So
now every single Cleveland Brown player that was brought in
by the previous regime, there's a bunch of them, and
they're young ones and there's actually some talent there, especially
in the offensive side of the football, is sitting there
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going f this guy. They're on their phone with their
agents and you've completely polluted the locker room. You talked
about the locker room. That's the point, because you're trying
to support your head coach. There's other ways to do so,
and it's not like this is John Dorsey's first time
in these types of discussions. By the way, also, if
you listen to it around must could he cue it
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back up? For a second. Sounds like Dorsey didn't pick
up the phone. He went speaker he went U, he
went speaker phone. Go ahead and listen to what you
got to get a guy like that players? And you
know what, I come straight out with it. You know what,
the the guys who were here before that system, they
didn't get real players. And I think as Bill Parcels
would always say, you are your record and you know
what there it is. So that's the truth teller in
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this thing, um, And I'm gonna do my darndist to
get to players. That's all I can ask for, and
that's all I'm gonna do. I like the man, by
the way, the expression is you are what your record
says you are if you're going to use it. And
he basically paraphrased it, but he did. He butchered it
a little bit. Sounded like he was on speaker phone.
He sounded like the guy who's he sounds like like
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John Dorsey six two two forty. He sounded like six
to forty, didn't he. He sounded like big boss man
talking into speaker phone and like, oh, I get it.
He was a he was a player played for the Packers,
UM and he has a good football I que and
none of what he's saying is completely and totally inaccurate.
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But what's what's the win? Honest to God? What what
is the win? And what you're saying, how'd you like
to be a Cleveland Brown fighting your brains out trying
to win last week? And it doesn't change that much
because you're still fighting for your career in putting some
on tape for whoever your next boss is. But I
mean throwing every player acquired, saying that we're gonna bring
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in real players. H yeah, no, boy no. Fox Sports
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Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
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He's a Walter Payton Man of the Year candidate. His foundation,
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Malik's Gifts, supports military at risk youth and their families,
as well as pet adoption. On Sunday against the Seahawks,
he posted his seventh sack of the season, which of course,
is a new career high. It also proves that Clays
Campbell doesn't get every sack on the Jaguars, He joins us.
Saxonville's own Malik Jackson joins us on the Doug Gotlip Show, Molick,
how are you? I'm doing well? Thank you for that intro. Man,
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I gotta menure I say that everything. Walk in the
room and play that because that was awesome. Yeah, that's good.
The only thing better is when they and I was like,
all we Famer or Defensive Player of the Year. Um,
that's just what's what's just been like? I mean, you know, like, look,
you're you're you're a smart guy. You know how the
rest of the world doesn't believe in the Jacksonville Jaguars.
What's it been like proving the rest of the world world?
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I mean, it's awesome. You know, it's awesome to be
able to go in the room and say, you know,
I'm on the jack Work, We're gonna win the super Bowl.
We're gonna go to the super Bowl. You know, people
look at you like you're crazy and everybody laughed at you.
And then to be able to put up numbers like
this and do what we're doing right now. It's awesome
because because it's I mean, it shows that we we
believe in ourselves and now that we makes people believe
in us, And it's just awesome, you know, because because
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we're not asking, people are not the Jacks are no
longer giving uh pretty peas in high grades and trying
to go into the season and when everybody over you know,
nobody really believe in us. This here and now everybody's
looking at us raised the eyebrows. So it's wonderful to
be a part of it. When you first got there, though,
what was it like? It was a lot different. I'll
tell you that. I would say, have my experience play
a lot different than klais Is. Uh. We got here,
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we weren't winning as much. You know, the city was
still optimistic. But you know, when you go through the season,
I'm not winning like we did last year. You know,
I think the fans got a little kind of the
preseason hype. So uh, this year, you know, people are
behind us, but it's more of poor fans. And this
year we really turned it around. And and I'm glad
because really a lot of the uh, the buried churches,
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the boy Yet the Clay's Campbells of the world really
helps us turn this around. So we're doing awesome right now. Yeah,
And and look as maligned as he's been, Blake has
been really good the past couple of weeks. Is there's
something that's changed, Like and I know they were they
were kind of spoon feeding him, right, they were kind
of having completely resetting his career, handing out the football,
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just running it, running it, running it, not calling any
past place. But they've they've taken some of the taking
some of the chains off him, let him throw the football,
and he's done a very good job the past couple weeks.
Have Have you noticed anything different about Blake other than
the production. I mean, I think he's stays the same guy.
You know, he's somebody that just comes in and works hard,
doesn't let things pay them. Um, I'll believe them Blake
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since I got here, you know, And I really think
they having a strong print office and the and the
office coordinate that's consistent and that's that's here, that's bought
in has really helped him and the coach that's behind him.
So he's been showing this whole world what I've been seeing.
And I'm just happy he's finally showing it. I thought,
you need to make the Pro Bowl because he's not
not not just managing a game. He's not there throwing
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the past yards, Uh, hitting multiple receivers and and doing
that thing. Man. So I really I'm glad Blake sang
and I'm not saying he's swing a lot of people
who he is. And you know, you know, one of
the things that people miss, Mille Jackson joining us in
the Doug Otip Show. One of the the people miss about
like your time in Denver. Right when the Broncos won
the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning was nine touchdowns seventeen interceptions
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in the regular season, Like he was a shell of
his former self. So the idea that you have to
have a forty touchdown uh, you know the guy throw
for forty touchdowns and you know, seven or eight interceptions
and win a Super Bowl. I mean, dever, Broncos, you
guys proved that should be completely wrong when you demolished
the Carolina Panthers. Um compare contrast that team. Obviously it's
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different with Peyton's leadership, but people forget Peyton wasn't starting
for a good portion of the second half of that season, right,
and then they reinstalled him as starter for the playoffs. Uh,
what was that defense that team? Like? In comparison to
your experience this year with Jacksonville. UM, that team just
all around. The only differences that we had a lot
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a lot more older uh um leadership. And when I
say that, um, we have paid a mening. Like you said,
we have demarcuts where von Miller is still young, but
somebody who's Haul of Famer already UH guys like that
on every level, you know, to come in and just
help these younger guys get in. And I think the
only difference that we have is that we have these
pill these older guys. But you know, I stay older
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with not fifteen years older, but the very Churchman was
was about twenty nine. You know what I'm saying, still
very very bested in this league can come in and
show these seven safety how to do the game. Boy
can come in and show uh Jalen how to how
to help him and get his game better, and claim
can come in. You know, we have plus at defense.
So I think it's just guys are coming in and
having leadership, and that's just the biggest part. And like
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I said, the only difference from that team and this
thing is that the other guys were just a little older.
But but we have the same leadership, just younger guys
and that's that's the only difference in And I think
having this younger guy adapt to relate to each other
a lot more in this a lot better and understand
how to talk to each other, and we had the
situations better. So it was just cool to be a
part of man because being a part of that cool,
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that was awesome team. But being a part of this team,
I've seen this team going a lot further interesting. You know,
there's a there's a there's a room around the league that, uh,
you guys welcome the idea of playing the Patriots, and
Monday night was the reason why, right, because the way
to beat the Patriots you gotta have physical cornerbacks who
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can uh, who can get up and lock in and
play man coverage, and then you gotta have four guys
up front that can get after the pass or without help.
And because you guys scrimmage the Patriots early in the year,
like you've seen what they got and none of you
guys are scared of what they got. How accurate is
that rumor? I mean, I know we would like to
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see the Patriots. I mean I'm not gonna say that's
what and be honest, with you. We haven't really mean,
we haven't really been thinking that far. But what I
can tell you is that from my comparents playing the
Patriots in Denver when we we won't beat them to
go to the super Bowl and still team, uh, that's
exactly what you need. We had corners like we do now,
we had a great rush like we do now, and
we have backup covering. So it's one of those things
that we were all playing great ball. So if we
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do see them, if we're blessed enough to make it
that far, and if they're best enough to make it
that far, we can play each other, that would be awesome.
But I think we would have a great chance because
when we did see them, uh to the team that
they played in Miami did a great job of giving
us a blueprint, given any team a blueprint, and uh yeah,
so you know, if we make it that far, it
be awesome. But we're not thinking that far right now.
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We've got Houston and that we will beat them to
kind of solidify our future. Millie Jackson joining us. He's
a Man of the Year Award candidate, which means he
represents the Jacksonville Jaguars, has his own foundation Um. He
joined us on the Doug Gallip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Right, give me your assessment of what happened
at the end of the game last Sunday. Huh, we
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stopped the bully in the mouth and they got upset.
To be honest with you, that was the that in
the in the Bengals game. I don't know. I think
we're just playing some ball. We're just straining guys up. Um,
We're just guys are coming out and people are coming
out here expecting the old jack and when we come
out here and stocked with the mouth to let him
know who we are and keep keep on, you know,
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stocking them in the mouth so seek by running the
ball and get not for the quarterback and and just
physically telling them. They don't like that, and they and
I don't think it's sat well with them. I thought
it was disgusting play. You know. I think maybe he
was thinking about the common teammate in the summer and
was biting his words, you know, probably just embarrassed, you know.
Uh yeah, Michael Benning and the guy that was going
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in the stands. I mean, one, we shouldn't be throwing
things at people, you know, as a man, that's that
you shouldn't do that, and as a fan, you shouldn't
do that. Uh, but there's no need to kind of
there's no need. You're not gonna climb in the stands.
You know you're not right on our test. It says it.
You know, we we have to make sure that we
we acted courting and act right. You know what I'm saying,
because I mean, I understand why the guy was upset.
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I think his name is Jefferson, his name was Uh,
I understand why he was upset, but you have to
watch yourself. You know, we still represent the NFL. You
represent yourself, and uh, you know you have to just
act better. So I'm sorry it happened to him, but
it's it's disapplining are you the league has chosen not
to suspend them. Uh does it? Does it matter to you? Guys?
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And you're not gonna play the Seahawks rest of the year? Uh?
What was the reaction the locker room when when the
league decided not to suspend anybody? I mean, I think
guys really weren't surprised about the league and trying to
get on guys when we saw how uh A J.
Green assaulted Jalen and then the UH and in that
week a lot of things going on like the Tampa
Bay and some other players who are out of defenders
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were acting out. So it's one of those things that
you know, we really don't come on the league to
sit there and protect her, so to call out people
and uh enforced rules. We know that they like, they're
very UH they like to get their money back, so
I'm sure they find them heppy. But you know, we
also understand they want on the place so they can
help their teams, you know, go out there when as
much to get that fan and get them ratings. So
you know, it's a business. You have to understand that.
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And once you see them, and once I feel like,
you know, I could look at the whole aspect of
the game, the business. It's not surprising. Well, it's pretty
remarkable the change in culture that you've been a part
of and this dynamic defense. Everybody is paying attention and
admitting they were wrong about the Jaguars. Malik Jackson, Walter
Payton Man of the Year candidate and of course a
proud member of Saxonville, where he had his seventh sack
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of the season in their win against the Seattle Seahawks
this past Sunday. They got the the Houston Texans up coming. Malick,
thanks so much for joining us, have yourself a merry
Christmas and the best of luck the rest of the way. Hey,
thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure. Go Jackson.
That's Malick Jackson joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show.
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ladies and gentlemen that Cindy Katz has has booked, and
the fact that it's audible recording. All right, let's let's
get to some cool stuff, shall we. Last night, the
Thunder survived a furious rally. Only all rallies are furious
(01:26):
by the right way. A furious rally by the Indiana Pacers.
And of course the Pacers are only really interesting because, uh,
they were a team left for dead by most basketball pundits,
not me, but most basketball pundits. And they've been surprisingly
decent so far this year. They're above five the Thunder
(01:48):
below five hundred. The Thunder won the game, West beats East,
not a surprise. Maybe it's the fact that Russell Westbrook,
Paul George, and Carmelo Anthony all shot the ball poorly,
and yet it was Steve Adam's nine offensive boards that
kind of saved the day. Russell Westbrook did have a
triple double, but the shooting numbers, as they have been
all season long, were atrocious, and so it's caused many people,
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including my brethren Colin Cowherd to say, like, hey, cut bait,
time to go. It's over. By the way, rob Ryan
is gonna join his upcoming in twenty minutes. We'll ask
him about the Steelers Patriots matchup. Will also ask him
about the Chargers Chiefs matchups. A couple of great matchups
this weekend in the a f C specifically, and some
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good NFC stuff to grow with Aaron Rodgers back against
the Carolina Panthers. You know, when an injured player comes back,
it allows me, Ramos, you and I huge movie nuts
um two um to to discuss sweeping the leg right
and like music sitting there and he may be nodding
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his head like he knows what sweet the leg is,
but he doesn't really know what sweet the leg is? Right, Well,
what do you mean, I don't actually know what that means? Well,
what is the term sweep the leg from? It's from
Karate Kid, So how would it apply in the Aaron
Rodgers case? Ah, he well, yeah, I don't know. I'm
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not I'm not sure exactly Ramos. Ramos was right, Ramos,
I do not know, And I'll tell you right up front.
You don't know, like you know the lake well, like
look the The idea of sweeping the leg is, uh,
when a guy is a guy is coming back from
an injury, and he might or might not be healed,
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you might or might not take an extra hard shot
at the shoulder in question, because hey, if he happens
to get hurt, he's on a football field. I'm not
saying doing anything dirty. I'm saying sweep the leg. Yes,
since I uh, still nothing music, no, I mean I
get it now. Yeah, Okay, I'm just trying to think,
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what the h is there going? Is there a movie
to which your kids will watch? Now? I mean, if
you go, I guarantee if you go back and track
in the early eighties when Karate Kid came out, like
every parent put their son in karate afterwards, and the
irony too, it was we had actually moved out from
New York, we moved to the Valley, we moved to
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Orange County. But there was just a lot of things
about it if you remember early in the movie. Anyway,
we'll talk about sweeping the Leg and with with Rob
Bryan who said to join us upcoming in fifteen minutes.
Let's let's get back to Let's get back to the
Oklahoma City. Thunder. You know, oftentimes when we look back
at deals that are made and whether or not they work.
Were sports, like any business, becomes a bottom line business.
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Did it work? Did you win a championship? Ultimately, if
you want a championship and you made a trade or
you made an acquisition, then it became the right one
and if you didn't win a championship, then it wasn't
the right one at the time. Right. But the fact
is that at the time or considering the context of it,
it can be very different. And the Oklahoma City Thunder
of the best possible example of this. Right. They were
(05:08):
a nice team, they were a good story. They were
a lot like in all honesty, the Portland Trailblazers two
years ago. Right, two years ago, the Portland Trailblazers were
coming off one of their best seasons and La Marcus
Aldrich had bailed and gone to the San Antonio Spurs,
and everyone left the Portland Trailblazers for dead. They surprised
people with their regular season performance, and then they came
(05:29):
to they got to the playoffs and you saw their
ceiling and they're kind of stuck in that they're good,
but they're not really going to compete for a title
unless they can add some other pieces. And to this point,
I think we've come to realize that pieces don't want
to be added to the Portland Trailblazers. And that's really
what happened with the Oaklahoma City Thunder last year. They
were a lot better than people could have expected. Russell
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Westbrook statistically had a historical season. First players since out
um Oscar Robertson to Averager triple doubling. He was the
NBA's mb P. But that wasn't a great team. That
wasn't a burgeoning star team, that wasn't one that was
going to truly compete for an NBA title. You had
the Spurs ahead of it, you had the Rockets out
of him, you had the the Golden State Warriors ahead
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of them, and then you had the chasers like the
Minnesota Timberwolves, and and before Gordon Hayward left, you had
the Utah Jazz the Pelicans to a certain extent, the
Clippers were right there with them before Chris Paul decided
to bail. So while while so many people are gonna
point out Hey Westbrook struggling with his shooting, Carmelo Anthony
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looks lost. Billy Donovan doesn't seem to have the ability
to bring mellow off the bench. They can't figure out
defensive rotations, nor can they figure out general player rotations.
We're not halfway through the season, and oh yeah, by
the way, we're looking at this all wrong. We're looking
at this all wrong. People are Everyone looks in kind
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of a linear fashion, like the is in a vacuum.
Like you had a good team with young talent surrounding
town and you bailed on that talent to to go
for the gusto. But that's what we encourage teams to do.
And by the way, this is the only way in
which Oklahoma City can truly be successful in landing players.
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And you can't have this conversation with somebody from Oklahoma
right from somebody from small town America. I'm a California
who Oklahoma City, in the state of Oklahoma. That's like
a second home to me. I feel very comfortable. I
play basketball there, I did radio there, I continue to
do radio there. I'm like a kind of a quasi
celebrity there. It's a great place for me. Like my
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my family, We've often said, like you know, like what
do we just picked up stakes and we did what
we did from Like, we're just I'll just find a
way to create a studio there, like you know, cost
living low. All my wife's families there, We have tons
of friends there. We actually are going there for New
Year's New Year's the thunder play on New Year's Eve.
I think I'm gonna take my son and then Oklahoma
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Ce is a cool place to go out. It's safe.
I know a bunch of people are just gonna send
it master, you know, group text, group email. Hey, meet
us here and we're gonna go have some drinks. Same
thing in Tulsa. But like remember I played basketball at
Oklahoma State. I'm a quasi like I My wife's from there,
like most of these guys. They You're not getting a
free agent to sign in Oklahoma City. That's why they
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had to trade for Victor Olatipo. That's why they had
to trade for Paul George. That's why I had they
had to trade for Carl Milo Anthony. There is zero
point zero chance that those guys, unless there is some
sort of tie. They married a girl really from Oklahoma
is probably the only tie. Or even if they're best
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friends with Russell Westbrook, like Russell Westbrook. They had to
give him that the biggest deal in the history of
the NBA. Otherwise he's gonna go home to l A.
So I get that, We're, hey, this might not be working,
and you might it might not ever work, But that
doesn't take away from the fact that Sam Presty had
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to try. And it also should be pointed out that
this is we've discussed in the past days, the the
drop ad date for classes, right where you get to
a certain point of semester, You're like, you know, I've
wanted to I wanted to do eighteen credits. I've wanted
to get close to graduation. But I'm just failing stat
and I'm failing you know whatever. Uh pottery one oh one,
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And you know I watched Ghosts the movie, and so
I thought pottery be a good place to pick up checks.
Turns out you actually have to make bulls and stuff.
I can do it right, And you get to a
certain point the special You're like, just drop them. You
know why even get why I get a D and
have it bring your g P A down? Or why
get a seed have bring your g P A down? Like,
let's stick with the Asian bs. Honestly, you would never
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drop a seat, but let's see, it's a d or
and after you just drop it. But there are certain
classes to which you have to see all the way through. Sorry, Bob,
you're gonna have to do this to graduate. And that's
what Oklahoma City has to do. They're not bailing on
Paul George mid season, not trading him away that trading way,
Carmelo Anthony and the sure as hell not trading away
Russell Westbrook. They went for it. They're gonna see it through.
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If you remember two years ago, they were a dysfunctional
mess until they got to the playoffs and they nearly
unseated the Golden State Warriors after beating the San Antonio
Spurs in the playoffs. And maybe it's because of that,
Maybe it's because they understand they're not going to get
a free agent to sign there, or maybe it's because
they just want to see the process all the way through.
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But whatever it is, we have a screwed up perspective
that all of a sudden, you sprinkle pixie dust on
Paul George and Carmelo Anthony and put him with Russell Westbrook.
You trimmed down the bench because they were too two
for one trades and the thunder are supposed to be
right away, and that's just not reality. Not reality has
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never been the reality. So I look at it, and
I think people are and I'm just as guilty of
this as anybody. Right, you jumped the gun, and you
assume you know exactly what's gonna happen, exactly how this
thing is going to turn out, and you truthfully have
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zero idea. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Let's Welcome in, Rob Bryan. You can hear Sundays on
Fox Sports Radio starting at one o'clock Eastern time, reacting
to all the games as they take place. And Rob,
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I want to start with the Marquee game and we'll
kind of work from there. The Patriots taken on the Steelers.
I want to start with the Steelers though, because I
was freaking out about the Patriots like many people in America,
but I also was very I'm very cautious about the
Steelers future because their defense was i mean destroyed by
the Baltimore Ravens, who don't have a good offense. They
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scored thirty eight points. How much of it is what
I've been asking anybody, how much of it was not
having shas here and how much of it is to
carry over from the physicality in the short week of
playing against Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, I think it's got to
be a little bit of both. I mean, I know
She's here is a great player, but yeah, that Fitsburgh
defense has really played pretty well most of the year
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and that Yeah, they looked terrible in that game. And
it's a good thing Rafflesburger could bail him out with
the five yards passing themselves. So uh too, great defensive
teams in that short week certainly didn't look like very
good defensive teams, uh in that game. Okay, so we
we we know the Miami Dolphins followed the script of
so many teams. I mean, that's that was basically the
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New York Giants in the Super Bowl two times over. Right,
If you can, if you can get to Tom Brady
force him off the spot with just four guys, you
can play press man coverage. And granted they did not
have they don't have Edelman, obviously, all year and they
don't have the didn't have Rob Gronkowski. But forgive me
if I'm wrong that that doesn't feel like that's the
Steelers style, right, So can the Steelers play the style
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of defense which had the Patriots looking completely unsettled? Well?
Remember does all training camp? That's all they talked about.
They were playing all this man coverage and uh, they
were doing that in the O. T A S Training camp,
you know, getting ready, uh, you know for man coverage
against the Patriots. But you really haven't seen him play
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it that much, you know. Now. The loss of Joe
Hayden obviously hurt that. But it'll be interesting to see
what they do. But uh, you know, here's the thing.
I mean, everyone's that's the way you gotta beat them.
It's hard to beat that team. If you just line
up in man coverage, They're gonna find a way to score,
uh as well. I mean they've they can jump in
those stacks and bunches and get crossing routes like they
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love to hit, and those deep over routes. So uh,
you know, I think that you know, that is a blueprint.
I mean it's it's it's worked before against them. But
I think The best thing is make make Brady post snap,
read what you're doing, and you have to be multiple
in your attack. This is the first game where look,
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they weren't they weren't real multiple. They just got after him.
They whipped them up front. Uh, you know they had
to try to protect uh Sue and and Chip on Wake.
But that left Jordan Phillips on a one on one
with with the left guard tuning that's really been struggling,
and he was He was all over Brady with the
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pressure up the middle like you talked about. And then
those receivers they couldn't get off a press. They had
a bad game, but I can promise you they're working
all weeks. They're gonna get off a press. We had
to do it before we played Caroline in the Super
Bowl when I was there, Uh, you know at New England,
and you know, it's something that you gotta master. You've
gotta master your releases. And uh, Miami just got all
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over him and and really physically took a tomb without Gronkowski,
How can how can Kenny Britt be effective? I mean
it feels like he's he's a bigger wide receiver, but
he's a guy who's had some injuries, so he's not
fleet of foot. I mean, how can I guy, And
I know they've been they've been unbelievable. You talk to
NFL people and you'll say, what's the best thing the
Patriots do. They're like, no one's better on the waiver
(15:28):
wire than Bill Belichick. They're incredible. So so what what
do they see in Kenny Britt as opposed to what
maybe the rest of the league might be missing. Well,
I mean I would think, you know, like you talked
about his size and uh, you know, he can probably
win those jump balls, those one on ones, and and
really they are lacking size out there, you know, Um,
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especially with that Alan's not playing well for him, and
then uh, when Gronkowski was missing, you know, so I
think I think this guy could add him some size
and uh, you know, we'll see and and look, they've
they've had David Givens, They've had guys like that where
they picked these kids up and they end up playing
well for him. So uh, you know, and if I'm
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Kenny Britt, I'm excited about going to New England, playing
with Tom Brady and uh and showing what I can do.
I mean, he's never had that opportunity. Well, that's the
voice of Rob Bryan. You can hear him one o'clock
Eastern time, ten o'clock Pacific every Sunday on Fox Sports
Radio as he breaks down the games as they take place.
It's it's phenomenal radio. It's like it's like having the
(16:35):
cheek coach. Really to how to listen to her or
watch football? All right, the uh, the Kansas City Chiefs
look better, but you know, some of it you got
to take into consideration the competition. Now they welcome in
the l A Chargers. Give me your thoughts on how
on this version of the Chiefs and how they match
up with the Bolts. Well, I'll tell you what I mean.
(16:55):
I mean, nobody's playing as good as Philip Rivers is
right now. So he he's on fire. So that two's defense,
which had really been struggling all year except for last
week when they benched Marcus Peters and played Riethus and
Levius played really well. Uh you know, so it was
it was strange to see him play so well. Uh,
that the teams are going to have to do that.
(17:16):
I mean, this offense is clicking, and so is their defense.
I mean the Chargers are really playing, uh, great complementary football.
They're they're rushing the past, we're playing great defense, getting turnovers,
and then they're doing a great job on a balanced attack.
Uh you know, they're running the ball better now and
obviously they're throwing it exceptionally well with Rivers. So, uh,
(17:39):
Kansas City drew the probably the hottest team in football
right now going in their place, and it's just unfortunate
for the Charges they had such a bad start. Okay,
let's let's get to the Green Bay Packers. Welcome back
in Aaron Rodgers. They're gonna take on the Carolina Panthers,
who do at least last week against the depleted Minnesota
Vikings team had a very good path us rush last week.
(18:01):
Um I jokingly talked about the old sweet the leg, right,
go after the end, guys injured, you know, if you can,
if you can get a shot at him sweek the leg.
Is there a way in which as a as a
as a defensive guru, you can tell your team to
sweep the leg without without violating any NFL rules? Well,
I mean I don't know, now, I mean, you know,
(18:24):
you know, out of respect for it for the league,
you know, respect for the game. They're gonna go after them.
They're gonna hit this guy as hard as they can.
I mean, that's you know, something that you know you're
going after. You've got to stop Aaron Rodgers. You've got
to hit him. You've got to, you know, get him
from making those huge plays that he makes. Rely he
gets outside of the pocket and things. But there's no
(18:44):
bounties anymore, I know that. But uh, you know, obviously
he's he's the source of the of all all the
pack of success. He's a source of the passing game. Uh,
you're gonna have to, you know, hit him. And and
the thing is of me. These next two weeks, he's
playing about as good as there is on defense. They're
playing the Panthers, and then they followed up with the Vikings,
(19:06):
who are the best defensive football. So, uh, this is
gonna be tough. But uh, you know, with Rodgers, it
just has that feel like if here he comes again,
and and you've seen him be successful against every every
defense in the league. So I'm sure Aaron he'll be
running for his life back there. But you know, he's
(19:26):
got that quick release and all that. He's gonna need it.
And uh, uh to me. You know Cam Newton, hey,
you know how he's up and down and things like that.
But he's been playing really well and they're getting him
to run the football now. So the Packers are gonna
have their work cutout stopping that offense at Carolinas. And
you know it's gonna be uh come down to Rogers
(19:48):
against that great Panthers defense. Okay, Uh, the Philadelphia goes
lose Carson Wentz and they were placing with Nick Foles.
You've been in this league a long time. I'll big
a drop off. Do you thin think there is between
wins and foals? Well, I think there's a huge drop offs.
I think Wentz was playing arguably the m v P
of the league. I mean he was. He was having
(20:10):
an unbelievable sophomore year and uh, you know with Folds,
he can get hot. He's been consistent. He had the
one great year where he was he had the twenty
seven touchdowns on the two picks. We actually beat him
when I was in New Orleans in the playoffs. But
he was playing really well. But uh, you know there's
a drop off obviously. I mean this this Wentz is
(20:31):
something special, and uh he's done so many great things
with his legs, with his feet, where Folds is not
that guy. Folds is going to have a hard time
uh in the pocket, you know, of getting outside of
the pocket. And and the Giants have to do, you know,
have to put that pass rush on him that's been
kind of missing this year. They need they need to
(20:52):
generate the pass rush, uh, you know, to get him going.
And but I think I think obviously going into Schwartz
has got great defense out there with Philadelphia. I think
Peterson and uh, those coaches have done a great job
Frank Reich of you know, game planning and doing special
plays and using those new running backs that they're doing.
(21:15):
So I think it's not all gonna come on Folds.
But again, I think there's gonna be a significant drop
off with Folds two wins. That's the voice of Rob Bryan.
You'll hear him on Fox Sports Radio one o'clock Eastern
time upcoming this Sunday, every Sunday, matter of factor in
the NFL season. Coach, we really appreciate contributing to the show.
Thanks so much, and we'll hear you on Sunday on
(21:36):
Fox Sports Radio. All right, Doug, you take care and
I don't think that last Christmas song was anything like
being Crossby. It was definitely not like thing Crosby. I
appreciate at least you you understand where I'm coming from.
That's looks good. Oh is not good. It's a little
bit of a running gag here, coach. But anyway, Rob
Bryan joining us. Be sure to catch live editions of
(21:58):
The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. I think I think what John Dorsey
was trying to say, what the senator was trying to say,
was supporting Hugh Jackson. Was saying, like, look, Hugh Jackson
is not a bad coach. But but I also think
(22:19):
I also think there's some damage done here by John Dorsey,
who was the new gentlemanager of the Browns, which is
just not needed here. He is the show is called
the Really Big Show in Cleveland. Here's Dorsey discussing Hugh
Jackson as a head coach of the team now and
in the future. You gotta get a guy like that players,
(22:39):
and you know what, I'll come straight out with it.
You know what, the the guys who were here before
that system, they didn't get real players. And I think
as Bill Parcels would always say, you are your record
and you know what there it is. So that's the
truth teller in this thing. Um, And I'm gonna do
my darndist to get to players and that all I
(23:00):
can ask for, and that's all I'm gonna do. I
like the man, Yeah, look I like the man too. Um.
The people I've talked in the NFL like you, Hugh
the guy, like you the offensive coordinator. Not so sure
about Hugh the uh uh, Hugh the the head coach.
But like, what is the wind there? Endorse e? Right,
(23:22):
what what is the win in saying he didn't get
him players? Because that means do you want every player
in that locker room to think you're an a hole?
Is that what we're trying to do, because that's what
you did. You just said these guys think. Now there's
a portion of them that aren't good enough. There's a
portion of the decisions that made that weren't great decisions.
(23:46):
But like this is the classic mistake that college coaches
make when they come in and they're like, wait till
my guys get here, you know, and then anybody who's
left behind, even the good players, like I'm not your guy.
Either I want to transfer or they never truly buy in,
and then you have a rift between the team. I mean,
(24:08):
this is like just a GMPR one oh one, isn't it,
to which you don't say anything negative. You simply say, look,
they've God bless the guys that came here before. They
had a philosophy, minds slightly different. Uh. Some of what
they did was great. Some of what they did hasn't worked.
We're gonna try and do more of the things that work.
(24:29):
We're gonna try and continue to get guys players. If
you wanted to say he didn't have enough mature NFL
talent to truly see how good an NFL coaches, it's
an unfair gauge like that would be fair. But saying
they didn't have good enough players and I'm gonna have
to I'm gonna get him good enough players. Think about
(24:49):
if you're in the locker room, what does this mean
for Joe Thomas and I know that this previous regime
didn't get him Joe Thomas, he was there beforehand, Like,
what does it mean? How do you feel? I mean,
(25:10):
think about your boss at your work and even if
you're doing a good job right, businesses struggling and your
boss comes in, they're like all right, well you know
for example, um, I mean just just think if if
your boss took over and says, hey, the previous guy
you are people that are any good and you're like, wait,
(25:30):
that guy hired me, Like no, no, no no, not you.
I'm not talking about you. I'm talking to everybody else.
Like that doesn't work. He went on radio in Cleveland
and said the guys that got aren't good enough. So
now every single Cleveland Brown player that was brought in
by the previous regime, there's a bunch of them, and
they're young ones and there's actually some talent there, especially
in the offensive side of the football, is sitting there
(25:52):
going f this guy. They're on their phone with their
agents and you've completely polluted the locker room. You talked
about the locker room. That's the point, because you're trying
to support your head coach. There's other ways to do so,
and it's not like this is John Dorsey's first time
in these types of discussions. By the way, also, if
you listen to it around must could he cue it
(26:13):
back up? For a second. Sounds like Dorsey didn't pick
up the phone. He went speaker he went U, he
went speaker phone. Go ahead and listen to what you
got to get a guy like that players? And you
know what, I come straight out with it. You know what,
the the guys who were here before that system, they
didn't get real players. And I think as Bill Parcels
would always say, you are your record and you know
what there it is. So that's the truth teller in
(26:35):
this thing, um, And I'm gonna do my darndist to
get to players. That's all I can ask for, and
that's all I'm gonna do. I like the man, by
the way, the expression is you are what your record
says you are if you're going to use it. And
he basically paraphrased it, but he did. He butchered it
a little bit. Sounded like he was on speaker phone.
He sounded like the guy who's he sounds like like
(27:00):
John Dorsey six two two forty. He sounded like six
to forty, didn't he. He sounded like big boss man
talking into speaker phone and like, oh, I get it.
He was a he was a player played for the Packers,
UM and he has a good football I que and
none of what he's saying is completely and totally inaccurate.
(27:26):
But what's what's the win? Honest to God? What what
is the win? And what you're saying, how'd you like
to be a Cleveland Brown fighting your brains out trying
to win last week? And it doesn't change that much
because you're still fighting for your career in putting some
on tape for whoever your next boss is. But I
mean throwing every player acquired, saying that we're gonna bring
(27:51):
in real players. H yeah, no, boy no. Fox Sports
ready has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
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to Malik Jackson, who joins us on the Doug Gotlip Show.
He's a Walter Payton Man of the Year candidate. His foundation,
(28:13):
Malik's Gifts, supports military at risk youth and their families,
as well as pet adoption. On Sunday against the Seahawks,
he posted his seventh sack of the season, which of course,
is a new career high. It also proves that Clays
Campbell doesn't get every sack on the Jaguars, He joins us.
Saxonville's own Malik Jackson joins us on the Doug Gotlip Show, Molick,
how are you? I'm doing well? Thank you for that intro. Man,
(28:35):
I gotta menure I say that everything. Walk in the
room and play that because that was awesome. Yeah, that's good.
The only thing better is when they and I was like,
all we Famer or Defensive Player of the Year. Um,
that's just what's what's just been like? I mean, you know, like, look,
you're you're you're a smart guy. You know how the
rest of the world doesn't believe in the Jacksonville Jaguars.
What's it been like proving the rest of the world world?
(28:56):
I mean, it's awesome. You know, it's awesome to be
able to go in the room and say, you know,
I'm on the jack Work, We're gonna win the super Bowl.
We're gonna go to the super Bowl. You know, people
look at you like you're crazy and everybody laughed at you.
And then to be able to put up numbers like
this and do what we're doing right now. It's awesome
because because it's I mean, it shows that we we
believe in ourselves and now that we makes people believe
in us, And it's just awesome, you know, because because
(29:17):
we're not asking, people are not the Jacks are no
longer giving uh pretty peas in high grades and trying
to go into the season and when everybody over you know,
nobody really believe in us. This here and now everybody's
looking at us raised the eyebrows. So it's wonderful to
be a part of it. When you first got there, though,
what was it like? It was a lot different. I'll
tell you that. I would say, have my experience play
a lot different than klais Is. Uh. We got here,
(29:39):
we weren't winning as much. You know, the city was
still optimistic. But you know, when you go through the season,
I'm not winning like we did last year. You know,
I think the fans got a little kind of the
preseason hype. So uh, this year, you know, people are
behind us, but it's more of poor fans. And this
year we really turned it around. And and I'm glad
because really a lot of the uh, the buried churches,
(29:59):
the boy Yet the Clay's Campbells of the world really
helps us turn this around. So we're doing awesome right now. Yeah,
And and look as maligned as he's been, Blake has
been really good the past couple of weeks. Is there's
something that's changed, Like and I know they were they
were kind of spoon feeding him, right, they were kind
of having completely resetting his career, handing out the football,
(30:22):
just running it, running it, running it, not calling any
past place. But they've they've taken some of the taking
some of the chains off him, let him throw the football,
and he's done a very good job the past couple weeks.
Have Have you noticed anything different about Blake other than
the production. I mean, I think he's stays the same guy.
You know, he's somebody that just comes in and works hard,
doesn't let things pay them. Um, I'll believe them Blake
(30:43):
since I got here, you know, And I really think
they having a strong print office and the and the
office coordinate that's consistent and that's that's here, that's bought
in has really helped him and the coach that's behind him.
So he's been showing this whole world what I've been seeing.
And I'm just happy he's finally showing it. I thought,
you need to make the Pro Bowl because he's not
not not just managing a game. He's not there throwing
(31:03):
the past yards, Uh, hitting multiple receivers and and doing
that thing. Man. So I really I'm glad Blake sang
and I'm not saying he's swing a lot of people
who he is. And you know, you know, one of
the things that people miss, Mille Jackson joining us in
the Doug Otip Show. One of the the people miss about
like your time in Denver. Right when the Broncos won
the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning was nine touchdowns seventeen interceptions
(31:25):
in the regular season, Like he was a shell of
his former self. So the idea that you have to
have a forty touchdown uh, you know the guy throw
for forty touchdowns and you know, seven or eight interceptions
and win a Super Bowl. I mean, dever, Broncos, you
guys proved that should be completely wrong when you demolished
the Carolina Panthers. Um compare contrast that team. Obviously it's
(31:48):
different with Peyton's leadership, but people forget Peyton wasn't starting
for a good portion of the second half of that season, right,
and then they reinstalled him as starter for the playoffs. Uh,
what was that defense that team? Like? In comparison to
your experience this year with Jacksonville. UM, that team just
all around. The only differences that we had a lot
(32:08):
a lot more older uh um leadership. And when I
say that, um, we have paid a mening. Like you said,
we have demarcuts where von Miller is still young, but
somebody who's Haul of Famer already UH guys like that
on every level, you know, to come in and just
help these younger guys get in. And I think the
only difference that we have is that we have these
pill these older guys. But you know, I stay older
(32:28):
with not fifteen years older, but the very Churchman was
was about twenty nine. You know what I'm saying, still
very very bested in this league can come in and
show these seven safety how to do the game. Boy
can come in and show uh Jalen how to how
to help him and get his game better, and claim
can come in. You know, we have plus at defense.
So I think it's just guys are coming in and
having leadership, and that's just the biggest part. And like
(32:51):
I said, the only difference from that team and this
thing is that the other guys were just a little older.
But but we have the same leadership, just younger guys
and that's that's the only difference in And I think
having this younger guy adapt to relate to each other
a lot more in this a lot better and understand
how to talk to each other, and we had the
situations better. So it was just cool to be a
part of man because being a part of that cool,
(33:12):
that was awesome team. But being a part of this team,
I've seen this team going a lot further interesting. You know,
there's a there's a there's a room around the league that, uh,
you guys welcome the idea of playing the Patriots, and
Monday night was the reason why, right, because the way
to beat the Patriots you gotta have physical cornerbacks who
(33:33):
can uh, who can get up and lock in and
play man coverage, and then you gotta have four guys
up front that can get after the pass or without help.
And because you guys scrimmage the Patriots early in the year,
like you've seen what they got and none of you
guys are scared of what they got. How accurate is
that rumor? I mean, I know we would like to
(33:54):
see the Patriots. I mean I'm not gonna say that's
what and be honest, with you. We haven't really mean,
we haven't really been thinking that far. But what I
can tell you is that from my comparents playing the
Patriots in Denver when we we won't beat them to
go to the super Bowl and still team, uh, that's
exactly what you need. We had corners like we do now,
we had a great rush like we do now, and
we have backup covering. So it's one of those things
that we were all playing great ball. So if we
(34:17):
do see them, if we're blessed enough to make it
that far, and if they're best enough to make it
that far, we can play each other, that would be awesome.
But I think we would have a great chance because
when we did see them, uh to the team that
they played in Miami did a great job of giving
us a blueprint, given any team a blueprint, and uh yeah,
so you know, if we make it that far, it
be awesome. But we're not thinking that far right now.
(34:38):
We've got Houston and that we will beat them to
kind of solidify our future. Millie Jackson joining us. He's
a Man of the Year Award candidate, which means he
represents the Jacksonville Jaguars, has his own foundation Um. He
joined us on the Doug Gallip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Right, give me your assessment of what happened
at the end of the game last Sunday. Huh, we
(35:00):
stopped the bully in the mouth and they got upset.
To be honest with you, that was the that in
the in the Bengals game. I don't know. I think
we're just playing some ball. We're just straining guys up. Um,
We're just guys are coming out and people are coming
out here expecting the old jack and when we come
out here and stocked with the mouth to let him
know who we are and keep keep on, you know,
(35:20):
stocking them in the mouth so seek by running the
ball and get not for the quarterback and and just
physically telling them. They don't like that, and they and
I don't think it's sat well with them. I thought
it was disgusting play. You know. I think maybe he
was thinking about the common teammate in the summer and
was biting his words, you know, probably just embarrassed, you know.
Uh yeah, Michael Benning and the guy that was going
(35:40):
in the stands. I mean, one, we shouldn't be throwing
things at people, you know, as a man, that's that
you shouldn't do that, and as a fan, you shouldn't
do that. Uh, but there's no need to kind of
there's no need. You're not gonna climb in the stands.
You know you're not right on our test. It says it.
You know, we we have to make sure that we
we acted courting and act right. You know what I'm saying,
because I mean, I understand why the guy was upset.
(36:02):
I think his name is Jefferson, his name was Uh,
I understand why he was upset, but you have to
watch yourself. You know, we still represent the NFL. You
represent yourself, and uh, you know you have to just
act better. So I'm sorry it happened to him, but
it's it's disapplining are you the league has chosen not
to suspend them. Uh does it? Does it matter to you? Guys?
(36:23):
And you're not gonna play the Seahawks rest of the year? Uh?
What was the reaction the locker room when when the
league decided not to suspend anybody? I mean, I think
guys really weren't surprised about the league and trying to
get on guys when we saw how uh A J.
Green assaulted Jalen and then the UH and in that
week a lot of things going on like the Tampa
Bay and some other players who are out of defenders
(36:45):
were acting out. So it's one of those things that
you know, we really don't come on the league to
sit there and protect her, so to call out people
and uh enforced rules. We know that they like, they're
very UH they like to get their money back, so
I'm sure they find them heppy. But you know, we
also understand they want on the place so they can
help their teams, you know, go out there when as
much to get that fan and get them ratings. So
you know, it's a business. You have to understand that.
(37:07):
And once you see them, and once I feel like,
you know, I could look at the whole aspect of
the game, the business. It's not surprising. Well, it's pretty
remarkable the change in culture that you've been a part
of and this dynamic defense. Everybody is paying attention and
admitting they were wrong about the Jaguars. Malik Jackson, Walter
Payton Man of the Year candidate and of course a
proud member of Saxonville, where he had his seventh sack
(37:29):
of the season in their win against the Seattle Seahawks
this past Sunday. They got the the Houston Texans up coming. Malick,
thanks so much for joining us, have yourself a merry
Christmas and the best of luck the rest of the way. Hey,
thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure. Go Jackson.
That's Malick Jackson joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show.
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