January 8, 2019 • 32 mins
Doug analyzes the National Championship game and tells you why Nick Saban was out coached by Dabo Swinney. He reacts to the new head coaching hires in the NFL and why they can work long term. And Broncos RB Phillip Lindsay joins the show to talk about his journey from undrafted to Pro Bowler in 8 games!
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On Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Coming
to you from the sunny city of Los Angeles, California,
getting ready for a playoff game. Cowboys come to town
this weekend. Take on the Rams, charges of course, traveling
cross country, take on the Patriots, and it's interesting. I
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do think a little bit of what we saw last
night we may see in New England this weekend. Uh,
we'll get to that coming up. Look. One of my
favorite references, one of my favorite references, John ram So,
can we start the show properly? Congratulations to John Ramos.
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Huh last night announced via Facebook, which is that's public information? Basic,
it's really too to public actually, ah yeah, well, I
mean maybe you shouldn't have put it on Facebook. John
Ramos got one past the goalie t I shot and
they scored. Whoa little t m I okay, I thought
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it was a stork thing. Um, but John Ramos is lovely.
Wife Suzanne is uh uh do when when did she do?
This year July to give birth to their third child.
Congratulations to John Ramos. Catching up with you, Doug good
you go from man to zone two to three? Way
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to go there? Where you go there? Johnny boy? Yeah,
be miserable like the rest of us are ago anyway.
Um Ramos is a huge cinophile. He's a big movie buff.
He goes, he uses his Fox Sports connection is to
get to all Go all the premiers and then he
interviews random people when we have that. I'm kidding. He
does a great job. Look. One of my favorite movies
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is Multiplicity. Multiplicity. Do you remember the Michael Keaton movie Multiplicity.
The Michael Keaton movie Multiplicity basically is there's a guy
and kind of like most guys, he just doesn't have
any time. He doesn't have any time to play golf,
to go out with the dudes, to even sometimes be
a dad. He's just like working, working, working, and he
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feels like he's missing life, and so there's a company
that can splice his jeans and create a a a copy,
a genetic copy of him. Things go awry though, when
there's a copy of a copy, right And this of course,
if you remember back when you were a kid and
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we had these things called VHS tapes, do you guys
remember VHS tapes? And I'm not even gonna start on
Beta Max. Okay, you have a VHS tapes. Those are
the cassette tapes that we used to record things on.
My dad get the first ever cam quarter. There's all
kinds of shots to play me, all sports. But VHS
tapes you could you could splice them, you could copy them.
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A buddy could buy a movie and you could have
the two VHS tapes, one tapes the other one. And
occasionally you would have an issue with something called tracking,
tracking tracking. Somebody fixed the tracking tracking problems were all
of a sudden to be like a like a white
line that would somehow appear in the screen and there
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was some knob that no one really knew how it worked,
but it would just turn and then there was auto tracking,
and boom, it was fixed. The problem with the tracking
issues was when you would did a copy of that copy.
Now the tape sucked. And if you've ever lived overseas,
I have those, the bootleg cassette tapes you would get
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a Friday or Friday after next in the early two
thousand's were a copy of a copy. Not only were
they not in English, but you couldn't usually see him
and would cut out some of the best scenes and
some of the best lines. It feels like Alabama last
night was a copy of a copy. Sure, they looked
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finally like Alabama had two at quarterback, meaning you got
a legit pro prospect at quarterbacks, something they haven't really had.
Have they had quarterbacks that have played in that shafketball league, yes,
but have they had a dude at quarterback? But that
was the difference this year. Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama, three
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programs that usually have the most dudes, or three of
the programs have the most dudes in college football, finally
have a quarterback. But the problem was between the defense,
some of the offense, the running backs, the coordinators themselves.
You had copies of a copy. Like Mike Locksley didn't
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suddenly become a genius because he went to Alabama. This
is the same guy was two and twenty six as
a head coach at New Mexico. Now, he got the
job at Maryland because of his relationships in the area
and because he was offensive coordinator for the most dominant,
second most dominant offense in college football. But he was
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a he's a copy of a copy, and they ran
up against the real thing. They ran up against a
first run DVD UH direct, you know, skip cinema movie
right to your home, and they got tracking issues. Clemson
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was the better team. Saban knew they were the better team.
That's why they went forward and ran fake field goals
and tried a bunch of other stuff that they normally
wouldn't you know why, because normally the time they got
better players than the other team, and that wasn't the
case last night. Let's get you to Steve to Seger.
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We got breaking news in the National Football League. Steve,
what do you got breaking news from Fox Sports? Well,
per sources from Peter Schregor, Cliff Kingsbury is finalizing a
deal to become the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals.
He was with USC about that long. He had met
with Jets ownership last evening and then flew to Arizona
early this morning. Was meeting with the Cardinals today. NFL
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networking foxes Peter Schregor, Yeah, Kingsbury to the Cardinals. That
was quick. Um wow, that USC is officially a dumpster fire. Uh.
This is one of those deals where I actually I
like the higher like, look, you're gonna have You're gonna
win in Arizona if you can figure out the Josh
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Rosen thing and that guy can coach some offensive ball.
I mean you kind of go through like man and
played in the NFL. And he's young enough and can
and relatable enough and will challenge Josh Rosen And obviously
can they put a defense? Can he lead men? I've
told you before that and and this actually goes hand
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in hand with last night, You're gonna get NFL guys say,
how could a guy who couldn't win enough in college
to keep his job become an NFL head coach Because
in coaching in the NFL it's about coaching ball. Last night,
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Alabama was about equal or maybe slightly lass, but let's
just say they're equal to Clemson. Just say they're equal.
That was a coaching mismatch, a game coaching mismatch. And
Saban would tell you as much. Do you know why,
because that's not what Nick Saban does. Somebody does. Nick
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Saban's a really good defensive coordinator, a really good coach
who hires really good people and challenges them constantly to
be better. That's what he does. He's a great recruiter,
he's a great leader. He is incredibly organized, incredibly But
let's not act like in game there's been anything special
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about Alabama's game plans on the offensive side of the football. Remember,
he fought the tide of of the trendy uh tempo
offenses for years, even said they were dangerous, dangerous to
college fall players. Last night, when you're playing against like talent,
you actually have to be a good game coach, you
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have to add prepare in a short period of time.
And Clemson looked like they had prepared. Now, part of
Clemson preparing was probably Clemson doing what you're supposed to
do in college n I I didn't do. My wife used
to do this right, where you keep up with the syllabus,
you do all the reading. You don't really have to
cram before finals. Where is Alabama they had? They tried
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to cram. But even if you asked Nick Sabe. When
Nick Saban, this is a true story from somebody I
know who I trust, So it's second hand information. I'm
not telling you I was there, but second hand information
was this. When he got the job at Alabama. He
took the job at Alabama. He remember his head coach
the Miami Dolphins. I'm not how many times you have
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to say this, I'm not gonna be the head coach
at Alabama. Amber that he took the job at Alabama.
He was flying to go on his first recruiting business
and he's on the Alabama team plane and the Alabama
president was with him and he said, we just got
the best coach in America. You know what. Nick Saban said, No,
you didn't. You get the best recruiter in America. Nick
Saban may appear to you as being super arrogant, I
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actually think he's the He is the brightest sort of
leader that there is. He has and has had the
biggest staff in college football. He has found some of
the brightest young assistants in college foot because he knows
enough to know what he doesn't know, and he hires
those people to do it. And his staff wasn't that good.
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This year and Nick Saban and you know, like he's
gonna sit there and solve the offensive riddles in game.
Sure they got outplayed, they also got out coached. Whereas
the reason Cliff Kingsbury didn't survive and succeed at Texas
Tech like, look, part of it is that that entire
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league is wired for offense. So while if he would
have run the same offense in the same style in
the Big Ten, maybe they set everybody's hair on fire
or in the SEC same thing. But in the Big
twelve you can score sixties, so what we can score seventies.
Coaching in college football is about only a quarter is
actually about the coaching of It is about recruiting, managing
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boot boosters, managing a program, managing your assistance, your trainers,
academic mix all of that other stuff. In the NFL,
can you coach ball? And then can you hire people
to coach the things that you don't coach? You can
sit here and tell me, well, Cliff Kingsbury didn't succeed
in the Big Twelve, and he might not succeed in Arizona.
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He might not. I mean, they might be a mess.
They hired a guy and I mean eleven months later
they fired a guy. But the the Green Bay Hackers
just hired a head coach who has never been a
head coach and was offensive coordinator for the twenty nine
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ranked offense in the league. Right, Like, what, what were
your options? It's a completely different profession coaching in the
pros and coaching in college. The pros is about ball
and about leading men. College is about everything except ball.
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But then last night it did become about coaching football
and Saban. The truth about Saban was exposed. The truth
about Saban is exposed. And that's okay. Saban knows that
he's not an idiot. You don't. You don't be that
successful and not know your weaknesses. You haven't self scouted.
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I mean, look, I've said the same thing Roy Williams.
Camp doesn't like me. They don't. They don't like me.
They've never wanted me to call games, be around a program.
And I've said, like, look, he is a Hall of
Fame coach that won I believe a higher percentage of
games than anybody. Want a couple of national titles. You
know what he's not. He's not a great in game
X and no coach Dean Smith wasn't. They'd sub their
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way out of leads. But they run an incredible program
and they teach kids how to play basketball, so the
kids can kind of figure it out on their own.
And he has a good staff and they kind of
figure some stuff out. But if it comes down to
X and owen, one play here, one play there, he
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didn't know Bill self was in a triangle into A
couple of years ago, Villanova ran a play at the
end of the game to win a national championship that
they had run like nine times during the season. And look,
he smartly put his best shot blocker under the hoop
to protect the rim. But who do you think was
guarden Chris Jenkins? This is not a shot at Roy Williams.
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It's just there are to be a great college coach,
sometimes you don't have to actually be a great X
and O coach, And occasionally when you do this happens
you get beat. When you're used to having better players
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the time that other five percent of the time, things
change and if you don't have the help on your
staff to fix things on the fly, you get embarrassed.
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Matt le Fleur, which sounds like a hockey goalies name
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more than a head coach of the green Bay Packers, Right,
Matt Lafleur is the new head coach the green Bay Packers.
And if you're just joining us, Cliff Kingsbury is going
to be the new head coach of the Arizona Cardinals.
Both of these hires are gonna make NFL people spin
on their heads. I can't buy the floor now. Matt
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Lafleur is young dude, former quarterback. My My favorite part
of my research in discovering Matt Lafleur was he was
once the quarterback of the Omaha Beef. I love that
Matt Lafleur quarterback for the Omaha Beef. You two can
like beef for dinner if you just go order Omaha steaks. Right,
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that's the easiest sale ever. Beef? How? How was what
was the Jared? Uh? What's the guy who was the
quarterback of Kentucky Jared Lorenzen? How is Jared Lorenzen not
the quarterback of the Omaha Beef. That's the easiest sale ever. Listen,
I know he can't move, and he's three pounds and
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he's fighting. He's fighting diabetes because he's had this terrible
weight game problem. And of course he's come out and
talked about all the issues he's had, but I mean,
look at him. If that's not the quarterback for the
Omaha Beef, I don't know what it is. Anyway. I
love the idea that this is a lot like whether
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it's Kirk Cousins or anybody who's signed off the free
agent market, signed off the free agent market, what happens
immediately after they're hired is the pushback of I can't
believe you hired Matt Lafleur. He was coordinator for the
Tennessee Titans, and their offense was ranked between twenty and
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thirty second, and everything they did should be pointed out
that no one knows that Marcus Mariotta is any good.
Should also be pointing out that team is built to
run the football and oh yeah, by the way, Mariotta
was hurt part of the year and they were one
game away from making the playoffs. And while being an
understudy to Kyle Shanahan and understudy to Sean McVeigh doesn't
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automatically grant you an interview or head coaching status. Let's
also point out that Frank Reich has done a magnificent job.
Has he done a great job? Anybody with the Colts
done a great job. He doesn't coach defense, and he
didn't call plays last year with the Philadelphia Eagles. Right.
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And by the way, the Philadelphi Eagles their head coach.
Are you familiar with his story? Former backup quarterback to
Brett Farve and the Green Bay Packers comes over to
the Eagles from the Kanci Chiefs. Do you know what
he didn't do with the Kanci Chiefs. That's right, didn't
call plays. Matt Nagee uh Matta, Matt Nagie could have
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been the coach. And I don't know if this has
been reported. Okay, Chris Ballard's the GM of the Indian
Indianapolis Colts. Right. Matt Naggie was actually the first choice
of Chris Ballard because they worked together in Kansas City
and their sons were in the same AU team and
they are best friends. They are very close friends. Matt
Nagie chose to Chicago Barris instead. One reason was he
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didn't know about Andrew Luck and he felt great about
they all like Mitch Robinsky when they evaluated him coming
out of college. So he took the But you know
what Matt Nagee didn't do in Kansas City, didn't call plays.
So this idea that you're like, well, you have to
have had some sort of success as a head coach.
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If you had success as a head coach, you'd probably
be for a head coach in the NFL. Hey, and
the only guy who has been a success as a
head coach who's out there are two guys maybe who's
out there on the market. One is Jim Callwell's fine,
you know, he's fine with Detroit. Fine, he's fine with Indie.
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But everyone in Indie gives credit more to you know,
the sheriff who was the quarterback. Jim Callwell is utterly
unoffensive but not exactly inspiring. And Mike McCarthy somehow wore
out his welcome in Green Bay and couldn't get along
with Aaron Rodgers, and their offerense was seen as stull.
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This as as dull and lame and stagnant. All right,
So but the league is about offense, Like, well, all
these guys looking for yeah, because offense has determined the
entire league. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Dot Leap Show week days in noon eastern three
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pm Pacific. One of the great stories in the NFL,
this is the Doug Got Leap on Fox Sports Radio
starting running back to the Denver Broncos. He only started
eight games and he's the first undrafted rookie in league
history to get selected to a Pro Bowl. And he
didn't even get to play the last game of the
season because of risk injury. Obviously won't playing the Pro
Bowl because of it. Phillip Lindsay is our guest, joining
us on behalf of Visio a m D the t
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v P Award. Philip, Look, it's been a crazy journey
for you playing at SEU. Anybody who watches the Pack
twelve knows you had that you had that juice in
the tank, juice in your legs. Take me back to
draft night. Okay, did you know you were going undrafted? Um?
You know, I didn't know. I thought I was gonna
at least, you know, go five, five through seven. You know,
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I felt that I was talented enough and I've put
enough something on there, and I had a great Pro
Day to be able to have the opportunity to hear
my name called, you know, and unfortunately it didn't, you know,
for for whatever reason, they felt that some other running
backs were the other how many other run backs thirty
two other running backs got drafted or somebody better than me,
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you know, and you know, at the end of the day,
shame on them. But it is what it is. Yeah,
it's it's interesting because and I talked to some other
teams with their undrafted players and like, look, people think
that we hit because we got an undrafted player, but
the fact is we had seven chances. So even the
Broncos who signed you as as an undrafted free agent,
they had a chance to draft you and and did not. Um,
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what was that coming chances? They had tim picks. Yeah,
so so so what's that like to walk into their
offices when they want to sign you and you're like, look,
you had ten shots to draft me and you didn't. Yeah,
I mean, I'm I'm not gonna lie. I was angry.
I was angry and uh and I almost didn't go
to Denver just the fact that you know, you had
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ten spots, Uh, you drafted two running backs and uh,
you know, and you want me to come sign for
free agent. You know, it just didn't said will you know?
And and not just them, you know, it's not just
the Denver broncos it was all of them, you know,
it's all thirty two teams that did he you know
what I mean? Uh, it was If it wasn't for
my mother, though, I probably went up state in diver
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else and uh what what what? Okay? So what exactly
did your mom say? She just felt that was the best.
It was the best best situation for me. Honestly, at
that point, it was chaotic. I only had fifteen minutes
to decide where I was gonna go. My whole family
is in there arguing and stuff, trying to see what
the best thing for me, and I'm sitting here like
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dang um, I never really left the state, so this
would be probably the first time I ever left the state.
And on top of that, I'm not drafted, so I'm
going out there with no money, not nothing, and just
hope that I can make the team. You know, it
got quiet, and then my mother kind of you know,
she's a quiet woman, but when she usually said something,
it's usually right, and uh, you know, she everybody got quiet,
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and she kind of just said out of nowhere that
I need to stay home and uh, and she felt
that it was the right thing for me to do
and and something good would come out of it, you know.
And at that time I was mad, but I didn't
let that that, uh, you know, me being angry to
make the decision for me, and I decided to stay home.
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How similar is that for people who know Philip's story,
your star at at South High School in Denver and
your senior year, your senior you had a bad how
you had a bad knee injury. Right, it wasn't just
your a c L was other parts. Your new wasn't
my um and and you were supposed to go to tech,
weren't you? And then you end up How similar was
that this was the decision to stay home to to
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not go to tech. I had what I had Texas
A and M, and then I had Utah. They all
took their they took their offers off the table. I
was verbally committed to uh Colorado at the time, and
I didn't know what was gonna happen now because you know,
the coach Embury at the time got fired the day
he came to my house. He got fired actually, and Uh,
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I didn't know where I was gonna go. Coach Mike
McIntyre um on in my scholarship, and that's where I
decided to go and stay. And uh, you know, it
was a journey, you know, because I didn't when I
got to to place my it was so bad, they
didn't even think I was gonna be able to play
football again. And I was only a buck fifty. It
was about a hundred and fifty pounds undertunds Man and
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so yeah, but I worked my butt off and uh,
you know, and I kept my faith high and I
can and I can't. And that's the one thing nobody
can ever take into your faith. And I believed in
myself And now I'm looking at looking back at it,
and this is a great story to be able to
tell kids and and uh and kids they're going through this.
It's something that they can look back at and say
they can do too. Convenything is possible. Okay, take me
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back that you're a hundred fifty pounds, you're coming off
of a devastating the injury. You show up at see
you and you gotta you gotta prove to them first
you can actually play football. Let let alone become first
to kick return and then and then running back. What
was the process like of building What was the process
like of building your body? Like I said, it's it
took time, you know what I mean. It took time,
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a lot of hard work, a lot of patients and
just going out there and working on my craft. That's
what I really uh, you know, I'm I wasn't gonna
be the biggest person, but I wanted to get as
strong as I could, you know what I mean, as
fast as I could, And that was my my biggest goal.
And then you know, it never failed. Every It seemed
like every everywhere, every every place I stepped into, I
always looked at the depth chart and I was always
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on the very bottom. Movie. So you always get motivation,
you know, and you you get tired of having to
feel like you always gotta fight to the top. But
that's what makes that's what makes a great story because
that's what keeps you going. It's when you gotta fight
to to get to the top of someone. Philip Lindsay
joining us here on the Doug got Limp Show on
Fox Sports TRADEO. So now you fast forward to show
up at Broncos camp. How many running backs on the
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on the roster, it was your five. It was uh,
it was Rose Freeman, DeVante Booker, d'angelou Henderson, and um uh.
David Williams said, yeah, what about five us always get
When did you know you had it? Um? When every
every day I went out there and I was, I
was making plays. You know, I was being consistent. I was.
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I proved. I proved that I could run inside just
as as I could run outside, because for some reason
people didn't think I can run inside. And that's all
I've ever done in my you know, my career was
running inside and then as a running back. If you
can't run inside, you're not gonna be good. You're not
gonna be able to last in the NFL. Well, it's all.
It's also it's also it's also is it fair to say,
like it's not just running and everybody in points out
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you gotta run inside, but you also, look, you wanna
make the team, you gotta play special teams both offense
and defense. You gotta be you gotta PASSI proteck, you
gotta do all the little things. Everybody. I think most
kids think, Hey, to make it to the NFL, I
gotta be able to run for two thousand yards like you. Actually,
you gotta be all block, you gotta be all tackle.
Yeah no, that's that's nowhere near. Uh. For all these
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these people that think you have to rush for all
kinds of yards, that's not what it's about. It's about
what you can do to to to make the team
a better, better, better team to win football games. You
gotta be able to catch this as just as good
as you're able to run, you have to be able
to block. You get to be able to play special teams.
You know, you have to be able to make tackles.
You gotta be an asked to the team and and
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and for kids coming up, they need to understand that
that to understand that, uh, you have to be able
to play many different roles when you're when you're when
you're on the field as a special team player, when
you're on the field as a gun or you're a
gun or you're not a running back, when you understood
the team and you're playing kick return, you're a kick
return and you're not a running back. You gotta be
able to change your roles at any time. And that's
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what about being an athlete, and that's what what it
is to make an NFL You got to be able
to find roles for yourself and that's how you stayed
there long. When you walked in what was it week
I think it was week eight, right, was your first start? What?
What what's that like? Considering that, considering the journey, the
knee injury, the lack of a true scholarship to make
it too undrafted to to fifth on the on the
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depth chart, to being the starting running back of the Broncos,
what was that like? Yeah, it was. It was exciting,
you know. It was something that's like, dang, you know,
I can't from just trying to make the team to
get ready to be my first start NFL career career game,
you know. And it was against the Kansas City Chiefs
and it was away game, and uh, I kind of knew,
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you know, I don't think, you know, nobody had told
me I was gonna be the starter, because I kind
of knew, uh, going into the game, I was gonna
probably started came off, and so I knew that I
need to make an impact in there. And that's how
I thought. I was just being myself, just play football,
you know, And it really didn't hit in until that
next week when when we was playing the home game,
it was get it gets the Houston Texans, and I
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got to hear my name get called out the tunnel,
and then that's when I knew it was real. It
was real. It was a surreal moment to be able
to be there, run out of the tunnel and just
the whole entire stadium just get loud. And it just
showed that names, Uh, these fans really do do care
about me. You know, they really do. Uh, you know,
like me alive. You looked in the sands, you stand,
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you got little kids wearing afros and and you see
third number thirty all all around the stadium, and it
was just it just made it made you come to reality, dame.
You know you're you're you're living in your childhood dream. Uh.
By the way, by the way you mentioned number thirty.
You started year were number two, right. I mean, like people,
you have to you have the you have to you
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have to make the jersey change. Um that Like there's
a bunch of kind of moments where these are like
big moments like oh wait, I gotta I gotta change
numbers to a running back number. Didn't you exactly you know,
you feel like once you go in there, your number
two like done. That's pretty much like saying you know,
you're you know, you're just here to be a body,
you know what I mean. And so you're just wearing
a single digit number. Why everybody else gots a double
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digit number there and you're they're drafted, you know, so
everything you know it's for them. It's like I'm here
for me. It's like I'm still I'm not outside looking in. Uh,
you know, I still got to go out and improve it.
This is only a tryout. That's pretty much what it is.
And you've got to make the best of your your opportunities.
Phil Lindsay joining us here on the Dug Out Lip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Obviously, hurt Urisy can't play
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in the Pro Bowl, but it's not that you don't
want to. What of all the things, what does it
mean to be the first undrafted rookie to be a
pro of that? It means it means a lot. Man.
You know, I haven't really got a chance to really
sit back and sit down and think about it. And
actually I want to give a shout out to the
Denver Bronco fans. I want to give a shout out
to my agency, and I want to get out to
the organization because um, because because they pressed the issue
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of me not going to the Pro Bowl, a lot
of fans started to go fund me apps. But because
the NFL, seeing that, they carved the rollout for me
to be a social media um a social media corresponded.
So I'll be out there in Florida and Orlando, uh,
talking to all the players and being a part of
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the Pro Bowler, being being able to just Pro Bowl
experience all because of of the fans, the organization and
my agency coming together and NFL seemed that and uh
and made it happy. So I want to, you know,
thank the fans for that. Phil Lindsay joined us on
half a video. He's a a a candidate for the
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True Value Performance Award that the t v P. Go
to video dot Com slash t v P until January
twenty you can select this year's award winner. It's probably
gonna be pretty hard to top you. Undrafted rookie becomes uh,
you know, you lad the lad the league in yards
per carry. Like I'd love to have you make a
case for somebody to vote for you, but I can't
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think of any is there anything else that can help
make the case We no, I mean honestly, you know,
this is a good, good, beautiful part about it. And
this is for everybody that's that you know, My competition
that that's going gets is it's a fans its fans vote,
you know, and and fans don't lie, you know. And
at the end of the day, sanders don't vote for
who they feel, uh was the best uh for for
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this award. And you know last year Alban Kamara winning
and so how about how about having another running back
winning this year? You know, um, you know, And it's
just it's a fun and great experience to see what
the fans think at the end of it. So, you know,
fans vote, and the best thing about this for the
fans are you know, once you vote, you know you
have an opportunity and a chance to win a seventy TV.
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You know you can't beat that. So you know, hopefully
everybody does go out there and vote. Last thing, I know,
you gotta run. Um. So oftentimes you've used this all
the different things as motivation, right between the injury and
and the scholarship and being fifth on the depth chart
and undrafted free agent. Now that everybody said how great
you are, how do you stay motivated this offseason? Yeah? No,
(31:26):
for me, you never can get comfortable. You have to
understand the NFL steps for not for long. Every time
they draft somebody, everytime someone comes in, they're they're they're
trying to drive somebody to replace you. Um and for me,
it's not. It's it's about it's about the long term.
It's not about one year. One year. Anybody can do
one year. It's about being consistent. Can I do it
for three or four or five years. That's when you
know that you became a good running back. And I
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don't want to just become a grood run back. I
want to be a great running back. I want to
I want to be able to hold the Russian title.
You know, Elliott has held it for how many years now,
you know, and and and you know I want to
be be the one to take the bill. But you know,
let's be honest, and I feel like I need to
go out there and I need to prove myself again.
Every year. You've got to prove yourself that that you
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belong in this league. Because all it takes is want
to slip up and everybody thinks that you're done, so
you need to just continue to go. And you can't
be comfortable, you can't be satisfied, and I know I'm
never satisfied. Hey man, congratulations, this has been an amazing
ride to watch you on. We hope to watch it. Uh,
we'll watch you continue next year for the Denver Broncos
and we appreciate you join us on Fox Sports Radio.
(32:31):
All right, man, thank you guys for having me and
I'm gonna be able to talk to you man even
better for us. What an incredible, incredible story,
Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlieb
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On Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Coming
to you from the sunny city of Los Angeles, California,
getting ready for a playoff game. Cowboys come to town
this weekend. Take on the Rams, charges of course, traveling
cross country, take on the Patriots, and it's interesting. I
(00:44):
do think a little bit of what we saw last
night we may see in New England this weekend. Uh,
we'll get to that coming up. Look. One of my
favorite references, one of my favorite references, John ram So,
can we start the show properly? Congratulations to John Ramos.
(01:05):
Huh last night announced via Facebook, which is that's public information? Basic,
it's really too to public actually, ah yeah, well, I
mean maybe you shouldn't have put it on Facebook. John
Ramos got one past the goalie t I shot and
they scored. Whoa little t m I okay, I thought
(01:26):
it was a stork thing. Um, but John Ramos is lovely.
Wife Suzanne is uh uh do when when did she do?
This year July to give birth to their third child.
Congratulations to John Ramos. Catching up with you, Doug good
you go from man to zone two to three? Way
(01:46):
to go there? Where you go there? Johnny boy? Yeah,
be miserable like the rest of us are ago anyway.
Um Ramos is a huge cinophile. He's a big movie buff.
He goes, he uses his Fox Sports connection is to
get to all Go all the premiers and then he
interviews random people when we have that. I'm kidding. He
does a great job. Look. One of my favorite movies
(02:08):
is Multiplicity. Multiplicity. Do you remember the Michael Keaton movie Multiplicity.
The Michael Keaton movie Multiplicity basically is there's a guy
and kind of like most guys, he just doesn't have
any time. He doesn't have any time to play golf,
to go out with the dudes, to even sometimes be
a dad. He's just like working, working, working, and he
(02:31):
feels like he's missing life, and so there's a company
that can splice his jeans and create a a a copy,
a genetic copy of him. Things go awry though, when
there's a copy of a copy, right And this of course,
if you remember back when you were a kid and
(02:52):
we had these things called VHS tapes, do you guys
remember VHS tapes? And I'm not even gonna start on
Beta Max. Okay, you have a VHS tapes. Those are
the cassette tapes that we used to record things on.
My dad get the first ever cam quarter. There's all
kinds of shots to play me, all sports. But VHS
tapes you could you could splice them, you could copy them.
(03:14):
A buddy could buy a movie and you could have
the two VHS tapes, one tapes the other one. And
occasionally you would have an issue with something called tracking,
tracking tracking. Somebody fixed the tracking tracking problems were all
of a sudden to be like a like a white
line that would somehow appear in the screen and there
(03:35):
was some knob that no one really knew how it worked,
but it would just turn and then there was auto tracking,
and boom, it was fixed. The problem with the tracking
issues was when you would did a copy of that copy.
Now the tape sucked. And if you've ever lived overseas,
I have those, the bootleg cassette tapes you would get
(03:57):
a Friday or Friday after next in the early two
thousand's were a copy of a copy. Not only were
they not in English, but you couldn't usually see him
and would cut out some of the best scenes and
some of the best lines. It feels like Alabama last
night was a copy of a copy. Sure, they looked
(04:20):
finally like Alabama had two at quarterback, meaning you got
a legit pro prospect at quarterbacks, something they haven't really had.
Have they had quarterbacks that have played in that shafketball league, yes,
but have they had a dude at quarterback? But that
was the difference this year. Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama, three
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programs that usually have the most dudes, or three of
the programs have the most dudes in college football, finally
have a quarterback. But the problem was between the defense,
some of the offense, the running backs, the coordinators themselves.
You had copies of a copy. Like Mike Locksley didn't
(05:04):
suddenly become a genius because he went to Alabama. This
is the same guy was two and twenty six as
a head coach at New Mexico. Now, he got the
job at Maryland because of his relationships in the area
and because he was offensive coordinator for the most dominant,
second most dominant offense in college football. But he was
(05:26):
a he's a copy of a copy, and they ran
up against the real thing. They ran up against a
first run DVD UH direct, you know, skip cinema movie
right to your home, and they got tracking issues. Clemson
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was the better team. Saban knew they were the better team.
That's why they went forward and ran fake field goals
and tried a bunch of other stuff that they normally
wouldn't you know why, because normally the time they got
better players than the other team, and that wasn't the
case last night. Let's get you to Steve to Seger.
(06:09):
We got breaking news in the National Football League. Steve,
what do you got breaking news from Fox Sports? Well,
per sources from Peter Schregor, Cliff Kingsbury is finalizing a
deal to become the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals.
He was with USC about that long. He had met
with Jets ownership last evening and then flew to Arizona
early this morning. Was meeting with the Cardinals today. NFL
(06:32):
networking foxes Peter Schregor, Yeah, Kingsbury to the Cardinals. That
was quick. Um wow, that USC is officially a dumpster fire. Uh.
This is one of those deals where I actually I
like the higher like, look, you're gonna have You're gonna
win in Arizona if you can figure out the Josh
(06:54):
Rosen thing and that guy can coach some offensive ball.
I mean you kind of go through like man and
played in the NFL. And he's young enough and can
and relatable enough and will challenge Josh Rosen And obviously
can they put a defense? Can he lead men? I've
told you before that and and this actually goes hand
(07:14):
in hand with last night, You're gonna get NFL guys say,
how could a guy who couldn't win enough in college
to keep his job become an NFL head coach Because
in coaching in the NFL it's about coaching ball. Last night,
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Alabama was about equal or maybe slightly lass, but let's
just say they're equal to Clemson. Just say they're equal.
That was a coaching mismatch, a game coaching mismatch. And
Saban would tell you as much. Do you know why,
because that's not what Nick Saban does. Somebody does. Nick
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Saban's a really good defensive coordinator, a really good coach
who hires really good people and challenges them constantly to
be better. That's what he does. He's a great recruiter,
he's a great leader. He is incredibly organized, incredibly But
let's not act like in game there's been anything special
(08:17):
about Alabama's game plans on the offensive side of the football. Remember,
he fought the tide of of the trendy uh tempo
offenses for years, even said they were dangerous, dangerous to
college fall players. Last night, when you're playing against like talent,
you actually have to be a good game coach, you
(08:41):
have to add prepare in a short period of time.
And Clemson looked like they had prepared. Now, part of
Clemson preparing was probably Clemson doing what you're supposed to
do in college n I I didn't do. My wife used
to do this right, where you keep up with the syllabus,
you do all the reading. You don't really have to
cram before finals. Where is Alabama they had? They tried
(09:02):
to cram. But even if you asked Nick Sabe. When
Nick Saban, this is a true story from somebody I
know who I trust, So it's second hand information. I'm
not telling you I was there, but second hand information
was this. When he got the job at Alabama. He
took the job at Alabama. He remember his head coach
the Miami Dolphins. I'm not how many times you have
(09:24):
to say this, I'm not gonna be the head coach
at Alabama. Amber that he took the job at Alabama.
He was flying to go on his first recruiting business
and he's on the Alabama team plane and the Alabama
president was with him and he said, we just got
the best coach in America. You know what. Nick Saban said, No,
you didn't. You get the best recruiter in America. Nick
Saban may appear to you as being super arrogant, I
(09:45):
actually think he's the He is the brightest sort of
leader that there is. He has and has had the
biggest staff in college football. He has found some of
the brightest young assistants in college foot because he knows
enough to know what he doesn't know, and he hires
those people to do it. And his staff wasn't that good.
(10:08):
This year and Nick Saban and you know, like he's
gonna sit there and solve the offensive riddles in game.
Sure they got outplayed, they also got out coached. Whereas
the reason Cliff Kingsbury didn't survive and succeed at Texas
Tech like, look, part of it is that that entire
(10:29):
league is wired for offense. So while if he would
have run the same offense in the same style in
the Big Ten, maybe they set everybody's hair on fire
or in the SEC same thing. But in the Big
twelve you can score sixties, so what we can score seventies.
Coaching in college football is about only a quarter is
actually about the coaching of It is about recruiting, managing
(10:54):
boot boosters, managing a program, managing your assistance, your trainers,
academic mix all of that other stuff. In the NFL,
can you coach ball? And then can you hire people
to coach the things that you don't coach? You can
sit here and tell me, well, Cliff Kingsbury didn't succeed
in the Big Twelve, and he might not succeed in Arizona.
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He might not. I mean, they might be a mess.
They hired a guy and I mean eleven months later
they fired a guy. But the the Green Bay Hackers
just hired a head coach who has never been a
head coach and was offensive coordinator for the twenty nine
(11:39):
ranked offense in the league. Right, Like, what, what were
your options? It's a completely different profession coaching in the
pros and coaching in college. The pros is about ball
and about leading men. College is about everything except ball.
(12:02):
But then last night it did become about coaching football
and Saban. The truth about Saban was exposed. The truth
about Saban is exposed. And that's okay. Saban knows that
he's not an idiot. You don't. You don't be that
successful and not know your weaknesses. You haven't self scouted.
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I mean, look, I've said the same thing Roy Williams.
Camp doesn't like me. They don't. They don't like me.
They've never wanted me to call games, be around a program.
And I've said, like, look, he is a Hall of
Fame coach that won I believe a higher percentage of
games than anybody. Want a couple of national titles. You
know what he's not. He's not a great in game
X and no coach Dean Smith wasn't. They'd sub their
(12:48):
way out of leads. But they run an incredible program
and they teach kids how to play basketball, so the
kids can kind of figure it out on their own.
And he has a good staff and they kind of
figure some stuff out. But if it comes down to
X and owen, one play here, one play there, he
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didn't know Bill self was in a triangle into A
couple of years ago, Villanova ran a play at the
end of the game to win a national championship that
they had run like nine times during the season. And look,
he smartly put his best shot blocker under the hoop
to protect the rim. But who do you think was
guarden Chris Jenkins? This is not a shot at Roy Williams.
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It's just there are to be a great college coach,
sometimes you don't have to actually be a great X
and O coach, And occasionally when you do this happens
you get beat. When you're used to having better players
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the time that other five percent of the time, things
change and if you don't have the help on your
staff to fix things on the fly, you get embarrassed.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Dot
Leap Show week days in noon Eastern three pm Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Matt le Fleur, which sounds like a hockey goalies name
(14:18):
more than a head coach of the green Bay Packers, Right,
Matt Lafleur is the new head coach the green Bay Packers.
And if you're just joining us, Cliff Kingsbury is going
to be the new head coach of the Arizona Cardinals.
Both of these hires are gonna make NFL people spin
on their heads. I can't buy the floor now. Matt
(14:38):
Lafleur is young dude, former quarterback. My My favorite part
of my research in discovering Matt Lafleur was he was
once the quarterback of the Omaha Beef. I love that
Matt Lafleur quarterback for the Omaha Beef. You two can
like beef for dinner if you just go order Omaha steaks. Right,
(15:00):
that's the easiest sale ever. Beef? How? How was what
was the Jared? Uh? What's the guy who was the
quarterback of Kentucky Jared Lorenzen? How is Jared Lorenzen not
the quarterback of the Omaha Beef. That's the easiest sale ever. Listen,
I know he can't move, and he's three pounds and
(15:20):
he's fighting. He's fighting diabetes because he's had this terrible
weight game problem. And of course he's come out and
talked about all the issues he's had, but I mean,
look at him. If that's not the quarterback for the
Omaha Beef, I don't know what it is. Anyway. I
love the idea that this is a lot like whether
(15:42):
it's Kirk Cousins or anybody who's signed off the free
agent market, signed off the free agent market, what happens
immediately after they're hired is the pushback of I can't
believe you hired Matt Lafleur. He was coordinator for the
Tennessee Titans, and their offense was ranked between twenty and
(16:02):
thirty second, and everything they did should be pointed out
that no one knows that Marcus Mariotta is any good.
Should also be pointing out that team is built to
run the football and oh yeah, by the way, Mariotta
was hurt part of the year and they were one
game away from making the playoffs. And while being an
understudy to Kyle Shanahan and understudy to Sean McVeigh doesn't
(16:24):
automatically grant you an interview or head coaching status. Let's
also point out that Frank Reich has done a magnificent job.
Has he done a great job? Anybody with the Colts
done a great job. He doesn't coach defense, and he
didn't call plays last year with the Philadelphia Eagles. Right.
(16:44):
And by the way, the Philadelphi Eagles their head coach.
Are you familiar with his story? Former backup quarterback to
Brett Farve and the Green Bay Packers comes over to
the Eagles from the Kanci Chiefs. Do you know what
he didn't do with the Kanci Chiefs. That's right, didn't
call plays. Matt Nagee uh Matta, Matt Nagie could have
(17:09):
been the coach. And I don't know if this has
been reported. Okay, Chris Ballard's the GM of the Indian
Indianapolis Colts. Right. Matt Naggie was actually the first choice
of Chris Ballard because they worked together in Kansas City
and their sons were in the same AU team and
they are best friends. They are very close friends. Matt
Nagie chose to Chicago Barris instead. One reason was he
(17:32):
didn't know about Andrew Luck and he felt great about
they all like Mitch Robinsky when they evaluated him coming
out of college. So he took the But you know
what Matt Nagee didn't do in Kansas City, didn't call plays.
So this idea that you're like, well, you have to
have had some sort of success as a head coach.
(17:53):
If you had success as a head coach, you'd probably
be for a head coach in the NFL. Hey, and
the only guy who has been a success as a
head coach who's out there are two guys maybe who's
out there on the market. One is Jim Callwell's fine,
you know, he's fine with Detroit. Fine, he's fine with Indie.
(18:14):
But everyone in Indie gives credit more to you know,
the sheriff who was the quarterback. Jim Callwell is utterly
unoffensive but not exactly inspiring. And Mike McCarthy somehow wore
out his welcome in Green Bay and couldn't get along
with Aaron Rodgers, and their offerense was seen as stull.
(18:35):
This as as dull and lame and stagnant. All right,
So but the league is about offense, Like, well, all
these guys looking for yeah, because offense has determined the
entire league. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Dot Leap Show week days in noon eastern three
(18:56):
pm Pacific. One of the great stories in the NFL,
this is the Doug Got Leap on Fox Sports Radio
starting running back to the Denver Broncos. He only started
eight games and he's the first undrafted rookie in league
history to get selected to a Pro Bowl. And he
didn't even get to play the last game of the
season because of risk injury. Obviously won't playing the Pro
Bowl because of it. Phillip Lindsay is our guest, joining
us on behalf of Visio a m D the t
(19:17):
v P Award. Philip, Look, it's been a crazy journey
for you playing at SEU. Anybody who watches the Pack
twelve knows you had that you had that juice in
the tank, juice in your legs. Take me back to
draft night. Okay, did you know you were going undrafted? Um?
You know, I didn't know. I thought I was gonna
at least, you know, go five, five through seven. You know,
(19:39):
I felt that I was talented enough and I've put
enough something on there, and I had a great Pro
Day to be able to have the opportunity to hear
my name called, you know, and unfortunately it didn't, you know,
for for whatever reason, they felt that some other running
backs were the other how many other run backs thirty
two other running backs got drafted or somebody better than me,
(20:00):
you know, and you know, at the end of the day,
shame on them. But it is what it is. Yeah,
it's it's interesting because and I talked to some other
teams with their undrafted players and like, look, people think
that we hit because we got an undrafted player, but
the fact is we had seven chances. So even the
Broncos who signed you as as an undrafted free agent,
they had a chance to draft you and and did not. Um,
(20:21):
what was that coming chances? They had tim picks. Yeah,
so so so what's that like to walk into their
offices when they want to sign you and you're like, look,
you had ten shots to draft me and you didn't. Yeah,
I mean, I'm I'm not gonna lie. I was angry.
I was angry and uh and I almost didn't go
to Denver just the fact that you know, you had
(20:41):
ten spots, Uh, you drafted two running backs and uh,
you know, and you want me to come sign for
free agent. You know, it just didn't said will you know?
And and not just them, you know, it's not just
the Denver broncos it was all of them, you know,
it's all thirty two teams that did he you know
what I mean? Uh, it was If it wasn't for
my mother, though, I probably went up state in diver
(21:04):
else and uh what what what? Okay? So what exactly
did your mom say? She just felt that was the best.
It was the best best situation for me. Honestly, at
that point, it was chaotic. I only had fifteen minutes
to decide where I was gonna go. My whole family
is in there arguing and stuff, trying to see what
the best thing for me, and I'm sitting here like
(21:24):
dang um, I never really left the state, so this
would be probably the first time I ever left the state.
And on top of that, I'm not drafted, so I'm
going out there with no money, not nothing, and just
hope that I can make the team. You know, it
got quiet, and then my mother kind of you know,
she's a quiet woman, but when she usually said something,
it's usually right, and uh, you know, she everybody got quiet,
(21:45):
and she kind of just said out of nowhere that
I need to stay home and uh, and she felt
that it was the right thing for me to do
and and something good would come out of it, you know.
And at that time I was mad, but I didn't
let that that, uh, you know, me being angry to
make the decision for me, and I decided to stay home.
(22:05):
How similar is that for people who know Philip's story,
your star at at South High School in Denver and
your senior year, your senior you had a bad how
you had a bad knee injury. Right, it wasn't just
your a c L was other parts. Your new wasn't
my um and and you were supposed to go to tech,
weren't you? And then you end up How similar was
that this was the decision to stay home to to
(22:27):
not go to tech. I had what I had Texas
A and M, and then I had Utah. They all
took their they took their offers off the table. I
was verbally committed to uh Colorado at the time, and
I didn't know what was gonna happen now because you know,
the coach Embury at the time got fired the day
he came to my house. He got fired actually, and Uh,
(22:48):
I didn't know where I was gonna go. Coach Mike
McIntyre um on in my scholarship, and that's where I
decided to go and stay. And uh, you know, it
was a journey, you know, because I didn't when I
got to to place my it was so bad, they
didn't even think I was gonna be able to play
football again. And I was only a buck fifty. It
was about a hundred and fifty pounds undertunds Man and
(23:09):
so yeah, but I worked my butt off and uh,
you know, and I kept my faith high and I
can and I can't. And that's the one thing nobody
can ever take into your faith. And I believed in
myself And now I'm looking at looking back at it,
and this is a great story to be able to
tell kids and and uh and kids they're going through this.
It's something that they can look back at and say
they can do too. Convenything is possible. Okay, take me
(23:32):
back that you're a hundred fifty pounds, you're coming off
of a devastating the injury. You show up at see
you and you gotta you gotta prove to them first
you can actually play football. Let let alone become first
to kick return and then and then running back. What
was the process like of building What was the process
like of building your body? Like I said, it's it
took time, you know what I mean. It took time,
(23:53):
a lot of hard work, a lot of patients and
just going out there and working on my craft. That's
what I really uh, you know, I'm I wasn't gonna
be the biggest person, but I wanted to get as
strong as I could, you know what I mean, as
fast as I could, And that was my my biggest goal.
And then you know, it never failed. Every It seemed
like every everywhere, every every place I stepped into, I
always looked at the depth chart and I was always
(24:14):
on the very bottom. Movie. So you always get motivation,
you know, and you you get tired of having to
feel like you always gotta fight to the top. But
that's what makes that's what makes a great story because
that's what keeps you going. It's when you gotta fight
to to get to the top of someone. Philip Lindsay
joining us here on the Doug got Limp Show on
Fox Sports TRADEO. So now you fast forward to show
up at Broncos camp. How many running backs on the
(24:36):
on the roster, it was your five. It was uh,
it was Rose Freeman, DeVante Booker, d'angelou Henderson, and um uh.
David Williams said, yeah, what about five us always get
When did you know you had it? Um? When every
every day I went out there and I was, I
was making plays. You know, I was being consistent. I was.
(24:59):
I proved. I proved that I could run inside just
as as I could run outside, because for some reason
people didn't think I can run inside. And that's all
I've ever done in my you know, my career was
running inside and then as a running back. If you
can't run inside, you're not gonna be good. You're not
gonna be able to last in the NFL. Well, it's all.
It's also it's also it's also is it fair to say,
like it's not just running and everybody in points out
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you gotta run inside, but you also, look, you wanna
make the team, you gotta play special teams both offense
and defense. You gotta be you gotta PASSI proteck, you
gotta do all the little things. Everybody. I think most
kids think, Hey, to make it to the NFL, I
gotta be able to run for two thousand yards like you. Actually,
you gotta be all block, you gotta be all tackle.
Yeah no, that's that's nowhere near. Uh. For all these
(25:40):
these people that think you have to rush for all
kinds of yards, that's not what it's about. It's about
what you can do to to to make the team
a better, better, better team to win football games. You
gotta be able to catch this as just as good
as you're able to run, you have to be able
to block. You get to be able to play special teams.
You know, you have to be able to make tackles.
You gotta be an asked to the team and and
(26:01):
and for kids coming up, they need to understand that
that to understand that, uh, you have to be able
to play many different roles when you're when you're when
you're on the field as a special team player, when
you're on the field as a gun or you're a
gun or you're not a running back, when you understood
the team and you're playing kick return, you're a kick
return and you're not a running back. You gotta be
able to change your roles at any time. And that's
(26:22):
what about being an athlete, and that's what what it
is to make an NFL You got to be able
to find roles for yourself and that's how you stayed
there long. When you walked in what was it week
I think it was week eight, right, was your first start? What?
What what's that like? Considering that, considering the journey, the
knee injury, the lack of a true scholarship to make
it too undrafted to to fifth on the on the
(26:44):
depth chart, to being the starting running back of the Broncos,
what was that like? Yeah, it was. It was exciting,
you know. It was something that's like, dang, you know,
I can't from just trying to make the team to
get ready to be my first start NFL career career game,
you know. And it was against the Kansas City Chiefs
and it was away game, and uh, I kind of knew,
(27:04):
you know, I don't think, you know, nobody had told
me I was gonna be the starter, because I kind
of knew, uh, going into the game, I was gonna
probably started came off, and so I knew that I
need to make an impact in there. And that's how
I thought. I was just being myself, just play football,
you know, And it really didn't hit in until that
next week when when we was playing the home game,
it was get it gets the Houston Texans, and I
(27:25):
got to hear my name get called out the tunnel,
and then that's when I knew it was real. It
was real. It was a surreal moment to be able
to be there, run out of the tunnel and just
the whole entire stadium just get loud. And it just
showed that names, Uh, these fans really do do care
about me. You know, they really do. Uh, you know,
like me alive. You looked in the sands, you stand,
(27:47):
you got little kids wearing afros and and you see
third number thirty all all around the stadium, and it
was just it just made it made you come to reality, dame.
You know you're you're you're living in your childhood dream. Uh.
By the way, by the way you mentioned number thirty.
You started year were number two, right. I mean, like people,
you have to you have the you have to you
(28:08):
have to make the jersey change. Um that Like there's
a bunch of kind of moments where these are like
big moments like oh wait, I gotta I gotta change
numbers to a running back number. Didn't you exactly you know,
you feel like once you go in there, your number
two like done. That's pretty much like saying you know,
you're you know, you're just here to be a body,
you know what I mean. And so you're just wearing
a single digit number. Why everybody else gots a double
(28:30):
digit number there and you're they're drafted, you know, so
everything you know it's for them. It's like I'm here
for me. It's like I'm still I'm not outside looking in. Uh,
you know, I still got to go out and improve it.
This is only a tryout. That's pretty much what it is.
And you've got to make the best of your your opportunities.
Phil Lindsay joining us here on the Dug Out Lip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Obviously, hurt Urisy can't play
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in the Pro Bowl, but it's not that you don't
want to. What of all the things, what does it
mean to be the first undrafted rookie to be a
pro of that? It means it means a lot. Man.
You know, I haven't really got a chance to really
sit back and sit down and think about it. And
actually I want to give a shout out to the
Denver Bronco fans. I want to give a shout out
to my agency, and I want to get out to
the organization because um, because because they pressed the issue
(29:16):
of me not going to the Pro Bowl, a lot
of fans started to go fund me apps. But because
the NFL, seeing that, they carved the rollout for me
to be a social media um a social media corresponded.
So I'll be out there in Florida and Orlando, uh,
talking to all the players and being a part of
(29:36):
the Pro Bowler, being being able to just Pro Bowl
experience all because of of the fans, the organization and
my agency coming together and NFL seemed that and uh
and made it happy. So I want to, you know,
thank the fans for that. Phil Lindsay joined us on
half a video. He's a a a candidate for the
(29:57):
True Value Performance Award that the t v P. Go
to video dot Com slash t v P until January
twenty you can select this year's award winner. It's probably
gonna be pretty hard to top you. Undrafted rookie becomes uh,
you know, you lad the lad the league in yards
per carry. Like I'd love to have you make a
case for somebody to vote for you, but I can't
(30:18):
think of any is there anything else that can help
make the case We no, I mean honestly, you know,
this is a good, good, beautiful part about it. And
this is for everybody that's that you know, My competition
that that's going gets is it's a fans its fans vote,
you know, and and fans don't lie, you know. And
at the end of the day, sanders don't vote for
who they feel, uh was the best uh for for
(30:40):
this award. And you know last year Alban Kamara winning
and so how about how about having another running back
winning this year? You know, um, you know, And it's
just it's a fun and great experience to see what
the fans think at the end of it. So, you know,
fans vote, and the best thing about this for the
fans are you know, once you vote, you know you
have an opportunity and a chance to win a seventy TV.
(31:02):
You know you can't beat that. So you know, hopefully
everybody does go out there and vote. Last thing, I know,
you gotta run. Um. So oftentimes you've used this all
the different things as motivation, right between the injury and
and the scholarship and being fifth on the depth chart
and undrafted free agent. Now that everybody said how great
you are, how do you stay motivated this offseason? Yeah? No,
(31:26):
for me, you never can get comfortable. You have to
understand the NFL steps for not for long. Every time
they draft somebody, everytime someone comes in, they're they're they're
trying to drive somebody to replace you. Um and for me,
it's not. It's it's about it's about the long term.
It's not about one year. One year. Anybody can do
one year. It's about being consistent. Can I do it
for three or four or five years. That's when you
know that you became a good running back. And I
(31:48):
don't want to just become a grood run back. I
want to be a great running back. I want to
I want to be able to hold the Russian title.
You know, Elliott has held it for how many years now,
you know, and and and you know I want to
be be the one to take the bill. But you know,
let's be honest, and I feel like I need to
go out there and I need to prove myself again.
Every year. You've got to prove yourself that that you
(32:09):
belong in this league. Because all it takes is want
to slip up and everybody thinks that you're done, so
you need to just continue to go. And you can't
be comfortable, you can't be satisfied, and I know I'm
never satisfied. Hey man, congratulations, this has been an amazing
ride to watch you on. We hope to watch it. Uh,
we'll watch you continue next year for the Denver Broncos
and we appreciate you join us on Fox Sports Radio.
(32:31):
All right, man, thank you guys for having me and
I'm gonna be able to talk to you man even
better for us. What an incredible, incredible story,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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