July 12, 2019 • 42 mins
Doug reacts to the Rockets trading Chris Paul for Russell Westbrook and why he thinks it was a smart trade. He talks to NBA Insider Sam Amick about the Thunder and where he thinks Chris Paul will play next season. Plus, former NFL scout John Middlekauff joins the show to discuss Cowboys QB Dak Prescott and how much he should make on his next contract.
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South and Russell Westbrook joined James Harden Wow? Wow. You
know what's interesting is there are just certain guys, There
are certain places where it's not just innovation, But do
you ever know somebody who's a hey, a serial entrepreneur
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or maybe you've seen these movies where there's an inventor,
you know, like like Data from Goonies, where he's got
the slick shoes, he's got Some inventions work and some
inventions don't. But the the you continue to think and
try and push for new inventions. Remember that everything of that,
that's kind of who Darryl Morey is. I mean, think
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about the roster in Houston. Think about this for a second.
You go back to two thousand and twelve, two thousand thirteen,
they were like, man, we're all in on German me
Lynn and Chandler Parsons to play alongside James Harden and
that one yep uh. The next year they went out
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and they got themselves Dwight Howard like all right, we
need a big I know we don't play that way,
but we're gonna play a big and they added they
added Dwight Howard, and then of course the next year
after that, you know it's two thousand, what two thousand,
two thousand and fifteen, they still had Howard for half
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the season. They added Trevor Riza. They also had the
Natas Montes Junas, and so they changed Stiles yet again.
You go to the very next season, Dwight Howard was back.
This was after his injury played year the year before,
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you know, and uh Montes Junis was jettison. They add
in Corey Brewer and they tried it again. They tried
the Dwight Howard thing. That didn't work. They get rid
of Dwight Howard and they go Eric Gordon and Lou
Williams and Ryan Anderson, Ryan Anderson. They go, well, we
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go with a guy who's a back to the basket,
five to the stretch for in Ryan Anderson. That'll work,
That'll open up the lane. That lasted all of one year.
Then they went out and moved mountains and got Chris Paul.
For two years, they've tried everything. Here's what's gonna happen.
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I think Russell Westbrook makes them modestly better. I think
Chris Paul is a better player for the life of
his career than Russell Westbrook. But he got injured in
some key moments. He struggled to get along with some people,
and he's now gonna be on his fourth or possibly
fifth team. Maybe he'll get traded and he's not gonna
win an NBA championship. That said, Russell Westbrooks a better
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player at this point his career. He has more juice
in the tank, even though he's had a couple of
new surgeries. He is just a freak athlete. And I
think it will work out modestly well, but it's not
gonna win them a championship for a multitude of reasons.
Here's the three biggest ones. Number one, most importantly, the
West is in fact better, whereas the last two years,
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the last three years, all they've had to shoot for,
all they've had to shoot for is the Golden State Warriors.
The last five years, the Golden State Warriors been the
best team, and they have been possessed with trying to
beat the best team so much so that they're blowing
up this team which could have run it back. But
next year you have the Clippers, you have the Lakers,
you have the Jazz, you have the Nuggets. I still
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think the Spurs are sitting right out there laying in
the cut. As they get there, they get jont Murray
back as their point guard. A dynamic defensive player will
see if he can shoot at all. The Poland Trailblazers
still out there went to the Western Conference Finals. I
think they got better, um and I wouldn't count out
Golden State. You're gonna have You're still gonna have Steph
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and Draymond, and now you in at ind'angelo Russell. It's
not crazy to think that they'll win some games. Minnesota, Nola,
the Dallas Mavericks will be demonstrably better by the way
christophs Prezingis signs a monster deal despite not having played
a game in like a year and a half. So
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I think they're modestly better and more athletic, and you
have a guy who's younger and plays really hard and
is played in big games. But there's two other reasons
that I don't like it. One is what are they
gonna do? Who are they gonna be? And does the
team have Mike d'antoni's back. Does he have Mike d'antoni's back,
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Because Mike D'Antoni had to get rid of all of
his assistants and could not get work a contract extension
for a guy who doesn't hold players accountable traditionally, to
see the defensive end, it makes it worse when players
don't know if they're even gonna been playing for him
by the end of the year, let alone next year.
And the last part is this, James Harden's on the team.
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James Harden's your best player. In basketball, you are who
your best player is. James Harden is their best player.
Do I think Chris Paul is perfect? I do not.
I am a Chris Paul fan. I realized that he
wore people out in l A with the Clippers, and
he wore people out with the horn with the with
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the Rockets last year. But I would also point out
that part of his frustration, a major point of his frustration,
was not just the over dribbling and over handling by
James Harden, but James Harden didn't play the other end
of the floor, and he knew it, and he knew
ultimately he would kill him, because you are who your
best player is. If your best player isn't playing the defense,
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that's your team. So we're left with the Rockets, who
have constantly tried to remake themselves time and again, trying
to throw something at the wall, and I think it sticks.
I don't think it's But do I think to win
a championship probably not do. I think they'd be really good. Yeah,
you're gonna have you still have Eric Gordon, stef Clin Cappella.
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You know you got you have Austin Rivers come out
the bench. You're fine, You're good. They're gonna upgrade over
a team that two years ago had the best record
in the NBA, but it's still the same team that
loses at home seemingly every year in the playoffs, a
team that could in fact be injury pro injury prone,
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and a team that kind of has some mismatched parts,
not just in terms of how they fit together, but
how they fit whatever system they run. The perfect example
is a team that loves three three point shooting and
high efficiency three point shooting has the least efficient three
point shooter now playing the point guard position, and he
never been one to pass first, and that's Russell Westbrook.
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How do I think it'll work. I think it'll be okay.
I think they'll go in the playoffs. I think they'll
win a series, possibly too, and likely come up short.
Why Because I've seen this movie. I know exactly how
it ends. James Harden has never been accountable, has bad habits,
won't play defense, it'll frustrate Russ Russell Westbrook has bad habits,
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takes bad shots, it'll frustrate James Harden. And of course
Mike D'Antoni does not have the backing of his organization
and he's not never been a browbeater, which is what
these guys actually need to get the job done. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Doug dot Leap
Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Sam
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A mc joins the show on The Doug got Leap
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Sam I was trying
to actually give context on when James Harden was dealt
to Houston. People forget two things. One, they thought the
hard cap was coming, and so you had to decide
what you were going to keep, what you weren't going
to keep, or if as a luxury tax you didn't
want to be the tax. And the second part two,
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that is the thunder knew they had to play. The
Lakers and the Spurs both had two bigs and that's
why they needed Abaka instead of Harden, as well as
the fact that James Harden kept going to strip clubs
during the NBA Finals and playing terribly. I get that
we look back seven years removed and go, how could
you possibly make that trade? But during the context of
the time, the guy asked for huge money, they low
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balled him a little bit. There's a reason why everything
was done fair. Yeah, I mean scare, but the hindsight
is combination of But it's also pretty brutal on the
thunder because the tax situation in the end was not
you know, nearly as much of a de turrn as
they believed at the time, and that that was hard
to handicap. And then on top of that, when you're
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talking about essentially a forty five million dollar gap between
what they had on the table and what you know,
James and his agent at the time, Rob Polka, now
Lacaum wanted. It's just it's a tough till the swallow.
But I mean that listen, that's right to get debated
until the end of time. And it's you know, it's
not ever been as simple as three m v P
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caliber talents on the same roster. How would you get
rid of any of them? The other thing, from the
ok Sea side, they certainly could this day try to
remind people of his Uh, the shelf life for James
Harden being a willing member of the second unit was
not very long. You know, he was not going to
sit there and and enjoy that existence for too much longer.
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And I think all those things ultimately sent to im packing. Okay,
So what's your immedia reaction to the trade, um Man,
I don't know. I mean, we reported a few days
ago that Houston was interested, but it was the incarnation
that had Chris staying around, which was obviously extremely unorthodox,
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but would have been attaining to watch those three guys
try to share the ball with Chris, Russe and James
and so this version of it, I mean, the media
reaction is the thunder continuing to make the best of
a bad situation and stock Kyle at this point eight
first round draft picks in the past six days, between
the Paul George deal, Jeremy Grant, Deale to Deever and
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this one. Uh, it's it's probably the fastest rebuild in
terms of assets in the history of the league. So
we'll see what they do with that. On the rocket side,
you know, not surprised at all because a I knew
they had interest and be I mean, you know, and
I just got back from Vegas. He could probably hear
my voice. But like Darryl Moore, he's a risk He's
a risk taker. He gambles, you know, it's what he does.
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And he believes in the idea that there are fifteen
to twenty EVA players in this league and you do,
you know, whatever you have to do to get many
of them as possible. How does it does it work? Uh? So,
I'm leading on some protein typeson stouts today and then
met with mostly optimism and the idea that that they'll
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figure it out. I think it matters that in terms
of the human dynamic. UM. One of my colleagues are
to my college at the Athletic Michael Lee. Brad dasson
Is reported yesterday that the Russ is very excited about
playing for Mike Antoni and his style and this space
that that he you know, kind of has within his
system and having the type of shooters around him in
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Houston that he didn't have it okay, see, And I
think that matters a lot because we all know that
we've been kind of debating Russ his coach ability for
years now, and I thought Billy Dunn, who did a
reasonable job with that relationship. But Russ is a handful,
so that matters, and they keep her now anyway, you know,
unless some changes, they have their core. You know you're
talking about Eric Gordon, Can Compella, could j Tucker, all
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those guys. They're gonna be really good now, James and
Russ specifically. You know, that's where you know their their
personal dynamic needs to be really really on a high
level because they're gonna have to from the chemistry stick
point figure that out. Yeah, I agree with that, especially
the spacing sentiment. I agree. I mean one of the
things that led Durant to leave to go to Golden
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State was when they lost to Golden State in the
in the playoffs, in the Western Conference finals. Golden State
wasn't Guarden, Andre Robertson wasn't Guarden, Steven Adams. So you're
playing three on five right everywhere you went, and I
think Russell got was and and so is Paul George.
They were frustrated with the fact that Steven Adams guy
and they just did not draft or sign enough shooting
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and so there wasn't the space. And I'm I will
grant anybody. Hey, look, Russell's gotta shoot a higher percentage,
you gotta take better shots. But I will have Russell's
back from this perspective, even though he hasn't shown the
ability to be truly coachable. Look, it's hard to get
really good shots when you're playing three on five or
four on five. Sure, absolutely, I mean, And the other
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thing is, I think the overall makeup of the Rockets
roster you can potentially just allow Russell do what he
does best more often. I mean, you know, we've been
asking for him to be a shooter forever, and he's
not a shooter. He's just not. I don't hit that dagger,
you know that you don't see coming from the thirty
five feet after mission six in a row. He's not
a shooter. And percentages have continued decline. But in this
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landscape now, all of a sudden, you know, with those
lanes a whole lot more lot open than before, with
the shooters do what they do all around him, and
his ability to to look at that lane like it's
a you know, you're at the bowling alley and you
just just all this ruined the rome, you know, just
attack that rim. That's what he does. The guy's a beast,
and and you know Combine that with James, and you know,
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you're talking about a guy who was right there again
in the NBC race, and and it's been in the
running for that for five years. I think it'll be good.
The defensive side will be interesting, not to get in
the weeds too much, but you know, then losing Jeff
to tell their defensive captain on the coaching staff, I
think matters a lot of You have all the weirdness
with miked'ntoni and his lack of a contract extension. So
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still strange times in Houston. But but admittedly I'm excited
to see how it works. Chris Paul to Miami. Are
there any other possible destinations? Um? Not that I'm a
going to be honest with you right now. I am
probably a leaning pretty hard towards the idea that Miami
is not looking to get I'm not getting indications that
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they have a ton of interest. Um. Leon Rhodes, whose
agent you know, has deep relationships with the Heat Dwayne
Wade for all those years, is represented by c a
same agency, you know, And so if what I keep
hearing is that Leon's got a lot of work to do. Um,
But right at the gate, you know, I had somebody
who whose voice would definitely matter telling me no go um,
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And so we'll see if that changes are develops from there.
It just becomes the question of yeah, I mean there's
so much money. I really you know, I don't think
they fund to have any incentive to buy about you're
not going to stretch them, uh, you know, in terms
of stretching that contract out, because that would be brutal
on the cap. So I don't know how to say.
And I mean it might take a few months and
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you know, at some point of the kind of winning
his way to the Lakers or something like that. I'm
not sure, but right now it's pretty unclear. Sam Immic
from the Athletic joining us in the Doug Outlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, so the dust
is relatively settled. If you were going to see the
West one through eight, how would you do? So? Um,
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you know, putting on the spot. I mean the Clippers
death lack of a point guard does bother me a
little bit other than I mean, Pad Ever was fantastic,
but you know, conventional point guard. But I like the
Clippers death and I love their squad. I think the
Lakers are right there, Utah's right there. I mean it's
a pick up for me at the top in Houston
wan that it's probably my top four. Um, you know,
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Portland is is kind of one of the few where
I'm not sure what to make of them. The hus
On Whiteside move could pay off, but but he's a
wild guard in his own right, so I don't know
how that looks. Um. You know, Denver, I really like
to move with Jeremy Grant, so you know, maybe top four,
top five camp is all kind of the same with
Denver in there, But it's it's one of those off
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seasons again, Doug where you know, And it's fine. I
have no problem having an egg on my face, but
I was laughing when when you try to handicap you know,
the paper champions and what we think it's going to
look like, and I feel like, you know, eighty percent
of the time at minimum, it winds up looking a
lot different when they get on the court than we
thought it would. What we're talking about in July, no
question about it. And and then you factor in injuries.
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Are we after Chris Paul or if Chris Paul gets
moved us, are we done right? Like is that it.
I mean, can we can we all go on vacation
now because Brad Beale is not going to be traded.
Kevin Loves not can be trade. Not that Kevin Love
is at that level, but he has won to won
a championship. I mean, are we are we good in
terms of the player movement for now? Uh? To my
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knowledge yes, but you know the situations you mentioned, you
know who knows um you know, even even the oak
they see, they're definitely talking as if it's a legitimate rebuild.
But Sam Presty is aggressive, just like Darren Moore is
this part of me. It's like, all right, Sam, how
long can you sit on all those assets? Are you
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going to be tempted? Two? I mean he's got this
is the Boston type situation right where now he's got
the type of assets where he's in the in the
ball game for any start out there. You know, now
we don't have a prime candidate, you know, um in
terms of the guys that you go after right now
and an ultar with the rest of their roster kind
of you knows off. But I think it's time to
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unplugged a little bit. But every time I say that,
you know, God's other linement that pulled me back in.
So we'll see. Yeah, yeah, last thing you mentioned Oklahoma City,
we're seeing it kind of in New Orleans. Although they
are they just have some veteran players. They're going to
try and win, you know, Charlotte Um. You know, we'll
see what within the EU and Victor Oladipo comes comes back.
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But you know, the smaller markets, frankly Toronto, which I
know is not a small market, but has to participate
like a market that's not going to get a high
caliber free agent. Maybe they can get started getting some
Canadians to come back as free agents. There seems to
be the haves and the have nots, and your choices
either build from the draft and with the young roster
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and then hope to maybe trade for a star you
know who's disgruntled or late in his career, or build
from free agency the way that's now have or they
built organically before that the Clippers now have, the Lakers have,
uh and and you know the bigger the bigger teams
are trying to are are the NBA owners of the
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smaller market teams? Are they okay with that? No? I
don't think so. I think they're frustrated. Um, you know, okay,
see's the latest one. New Orleans did as well as
you can do. You're talking about making the best of
a bad situation. I really like their roster and they're excited.
But you know, i'd actually all people a couple of
nights ago to get Summer League in Vegas, and I
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was very positive and tea guys with a toy like, man,
you guys have had a pretty incredible four weeks or
whatever it is. Any kind of shrugs like thank you,
I appreciated, Like we still lost Anthony Davis, you know,
like it's still lost an incredible wall player. So the
small market squads and more, you know, their owners, I
guarantee you. You know, at Board of Governors the other
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day in Vegas, they were vocal. There were robust conversations
about um, the rules pertaining to cre agency, the rules
pertaining to contracts, and what changes might be able to
make for the most part, but you know, there's quiet
relief that they have moved on from that contract. But
they had to give it to them at the time.
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So you either give the guy that monsters deal. You
know that the c b A says that's the advantage
you have to keep a guy, you know, or it
ends up becoming a situation where the guy wants out
and he didn't stick around even though he kind of
got it in that market, so right, yeah, or there
they the quiet letter where you sign a two year
deal and then you get the ten years vested, or
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maybe the other part doing this maybe more Kevin rant, like, Look,
I'm already making twenty five million dollars a year, what
I like to make forty or fifty like, but the
chances I spend I spend two hundred and fifty million
dollars that I've made over my career are slim and
none and none just left the building. Right, If I
know at all what I'm doing, it does become monopoly
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money instead of just money for happiness. But to tie
a bow on that, because I like the way you
put that, it's like nothing, I mean, all the respect
of the guys who've gotten the super Max. I feel
like there's this elements of like the guys who took
it probably knew they didn't deserve all of it, and
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they grab it because you know, they know that it's
it's available to them. And then the collies and the
rants and guys like that, like they just you know,
they can go to bed at night. Even Kevin was
there a chilling and an injury knowing that they're getting
that money in the sixth year at some point anywhere, uh,
you know, the market is a great example. He was
really ready to take that money in Sacramento. And you know,
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and in the end, you know, they have spooked and
that's why they traded them. Yeah, and you know what
the other part is this more people should do the
rest of that. I think they'll start taking it. I
think they all start taking it and then they don't
like it forced themselves to be traded, and they're they're
there in lies the issue. And I do think Oklahoma
City probably told those guys, hey, look, if it starts
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to go bad, we will move you. Like that's how
they and and but but there at some point there
will be a guy who takes a super max deal
who a year into it says like, nah, I'm out,
And I don't know what you do there. I don't
know if you just move on from a guy, if
you're gonna take a bad you know, just to take
some draft picks and to start over. Saying this has
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been go ahead. I know I got to get out,
but I heard the interesting idea along those lines. Uh,
these are the types of things you get thrown around
the owners meetings. But like if you take the super Max,
maybe you've got something there where that guy just cannot
be traded for the first three years. Like if you
want the money, then you're stuck for rants amount of
time and both sides better figured out. But you know,
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those are the type of ideas spoken around. Yeah, going
to be interesting, Sam, great stop, Thanks so much for
joining us. We hope that after Chris, if Chris Paul
gets mover doesn't get moved, we can all go on vacation.
I with your brother. I'm going either way the flights
book and uh, you know, maybe I'll be on my
phone and when I'm across the pond. But but we
sall see all right, let us know Safe Travels will
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follow you on I G and on social media. Thanks
for joining us. Be sure to catch live edition so
the Doug Got Leaps Show week days in noon eastern
three pm Pacific. John Middlkoff joins us. He's a former
NFL scout. Three and Out is the podcast, and we
spoke earlier on the Dan Patrick Show. I don't know
if you heard this quote from can I read use
this quote from USA Today from Dark Prescott far away?
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Uh For somebody who says you you you can only
take so much because of the salary cap, you can
only do this for that, I don't know how fair
that is to say. Because with gambling everything going on
the league, everything's gonna continue to go up. It's important
for these guys to get every bit of their worth.
I want to see Zeke be the highest paid. I
want to see him, Mari be the highest paid. I
want to see myself be up there. And I don't
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think that's too far fetched because at the end of
the day, when everything is said and done, a year
or two later, you're not going to be the highest paid.
That's just the way the game goes like. You can't
have three you put players and look, Mari is not
gonna be the highest paid wide receiver anyway. But you
can't have three players play at the top of their
you can't feel the team. I guess the whole thing
is built around the offensive line. I don't even what
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is he even talking about. I don't know. It's a
stupid statement, because he should have prefaced it by saying,
if what I'm about to say means we're not gonna
play together anymore, so we can all just go to
other teams and make a lot of money. But they
also have the more Arkans Lawrence they just broke off.
They paid him a lot of money. Tyrone Smith or
left tackle who's aging, but he makes a ton of cash.
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Jalen Smith coming up the pipe making a lot of money.
And like the thing with Dak, and we talked about
it earlier, you're so valuable as the Cowboys quarterback, especially
as the Cowboys quarterback on a good team. Like Tony
Romo was cool once the Cowboys a couple of those
playoff years and that Tony was playing well, he went
to a different level. And he is the lead voice
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for CB, a lead analyst for CBS, had no broadcasting experience.
Why do you think that is well, exactly, meet anyone
now and just bring up Tony Romo. Every guy would say, yeah,
I'd want to hang out with that guy. I mean,
he's more famous now than he was playing. He was
pretty damn famous when he was playing the same with Dak.
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I really think on paper you could make an argument
the Cowboys are the best team top to bottom. Now,
we could argue that all day long. They're definitely a
top five roster. Now. A lot to hinge on Dak,
And it's why I've been adamant. I would not pay
Dak right now unless he's willing to take a discount.
And when I say discount, I mean like four million dollars.
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But if you pay him twenty five million dollars and
he guaranteed him sixty seventy million dollars, then it would
enable you. Kaepernick did that when he signed a big
deal with the forty niners. The problem was with the
forty niners, they let all these guys walk, you know,
and it kind of screwed up that everything they had going.
We know, Jerry Jones is not into that. Everyone knows
Jerry Jones wants to keep Dak, wants to pay a mari.
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But if he pays z Or I mean Dak when Dak,
that comment means Dak's thinking thirty plus million dollars a year.
Right If you do that, some of these guys are gone.
That's just that's a reality. Because at the end of
the day, with dak comment, about up, up, up. It's true,
but it's still the salary cap is not. It's still
a eighty and next year when it goes up or
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it'll be one. It doesn't jump that much. Yeah, and
again you have to pay everybody else. You just can't
plump it into like three dudes. Huh. The other problem,
Doug is they drafted so well, all these sweet teammates
he has, especially on defense, like those guys will never
make as much as him. But paying multiple guys on defense,
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one guy twenty and then three other guys ten plus
million dollars adds up. You know you do have twenty
two guys on the field. That's that's a lot of players.
It absolutely does. What do you think? Have you? Have
you heard this latest thing, the idea, that proposal, Hey,
you'll play eighteen games, but the max you can play
a sixteen. My thought is eventually they're gonna get to well,
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we'll put five more guys in the roster, right, five
more guys in the game day roster fifty becomes fifty one.
That's a hundred and sixty more jobs. Is that? Is that?
How you? Is that how you navigate this idea of
playing a t I still think eighteen games a mistake,
but they appear to want to do it to make
more money for everybody. How do you think they handle it? Yeah,
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I mean I think you talked to one in the NFL,
especially kind of the younger generation, and I don't know,
you know, guys that run teams. They think it's so
moronic that you have the game day rosters only forty
five and not the actual fifty three guys that you
prepare with during the week. Uh that that to me
makes zero sense. And then there probably should be some
wiggle room that, like, I don't know, maybe every week,
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on top of those fifty three guys dressing, maybe you
get to pick two of your practice squad players. You know,
you have the guys, I mean they're literally in the
building six days a week, just those practice squad guys
don't travel. And then half the game day or I mean,
you know that eight players on the game day roster
just are in sweats on the sideline. To me, that
doesn't make much sense, especially when you claim safety first.
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The other thing, I think that they need to figure
out a way that's very anequated. You talk to anyone
that negotiates contracts in the league. The NFL is big
on because back in the day when they created it,
like the seventies, with these big contracts or not big contracts,
but at the time they were, you had to put
all this money in escrow, every guaranteed pen Like if
I signed an NBA player the two hundred million dollar contract,
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like Steph Curry, I don't have to have the two
hundred million dollars on hand. Well, when Matt Ryan's got
a hundred million dollars signing bonus. Now Arthur has the money,
but the Falcons had to put a hundred million dollars
in this scrow account and he got a large portion
of it, and then within a year he gets it all.
And they need to figure that out because that to
me screwing up some of the stuff too. But yeah,
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I'm with you. They need to uh the expanded roster.
You don't even expand the roster. The players are already
on the teams, you know. It's not like you need
to go sign guys off the street. They this team
start with ninety man's So when the training camp starts
here in a week or two, people show up and
then they cut it down to fifty three but it's
really forty five because you know, give or take a
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player throughout the year. To me, that number, couldn't you
make it like fifty eight or sixty? I think so,
And I think I think that's a negotiating tactic that
they take in the next c B A is instead
of you know, the player is to the top, top
end at want more money, but the way in which
you get things done is the rank and file, and
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you know, good luck, good luck getting a union to
vote against. Like I said, if you had five roster spots,
five that's a hundred and sixty jobs. Like, okay, here's
the deal. We could pay your top end guys more money,
or we could get a hundred and sixty more jobs
even if it's a low end. And one thing I
always love, yeah for sure, is like in a blowout
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game in the NFL during the season, when people go,
why are the starters still in the game, because they're not.
There's no backups to some of these guys. I mean,
there's only seven offensive lineman dressed, so you can't just
have the two backups. Where are the other three guys
coming from? You only have four or five wide receivers
that your players are the players. You know, this is
not college football where when you turn on a game
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and there's you know, a hundred guys dressed and they're
playing I don't know, sixty seventy plus, especially on special teams.
That's why when you turn on and you go, why
is earl amis running now on their own special teams? What?
They're a finite number of players. You just there's only
so much you can do. And that's I'm with you.
I think that's inevitable that that's going to change. All right.
So for people who haven't heard what's going on in Houston,
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remember they tried to go out and get the general
manager from New England and and uh and that didn't work.
That didn't go over so well, he has to stay
home and stay in New England. So instead of hiring
a general manager, like yeah, well, just everybody kind of
do their thing right, and the general managers kind of
like the sales manager. You're in charge of everybody, so
(31:36):
you can take, you know, everybody's information and then make
your own decisions. Let's start with the jadeveon clowney thing.
I don't know how this when when it comes out
that bill O'Brien is the one who said, like, let's
not give a long term extension to Jadeveon Clowney. Doesn't
it make it really hard to see Jadeveon Clowney playing
for Bill O'Brien in the long term future. C C
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to me, this is where two years ago, if you
had a well put together front office, if Howie Roseman
was running it or Bill Belichick, people that were going
to be there for a long period of time, and
you know, know the thinking about the long term. Because
Bill O'Brien's just living day today, you would have traded
him two years ago when you could trade him, get
a good pick back and then let that team pay him. Now,
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a team's gonna go, you're gonna want you know it.
Probably it works the second round pick for the guy,
but I'm gonna have to give up a second round
pick and then I'm gonna have to pay him an
astronomical amount of money, which which is which is part
of what part of why the Raiders was like, look
it wasn't we we got two first round picks and
they had to pay him the money. Right, So so
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exactly he's not Khalil Mack. But what is he in
terms of his value. Well, that that's why the Melvin
Gordon requesting a trade, Well, Melvin, no one's gonna trade
a good pick that they'd be willing to give up
and then pay you. That's not how this thing works.
That's why Khalil Mack was so good. It was, you know,
it was easy to find people to do business. But
the Clowney thing, you know, I think a lot of
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teams would take him in a heartbeat. I think they'd
be hesitant to pay him that much money, but they
would also be hesitant, like, no one's giving up a
first round pick for Clowney. Now I would have no
problem giving up like a third, But then I'm not
that comfortable paying him because he's a dominant run defender.
He's a solid pass rusher, but he's not he's not
the upper etional on guys. He's not even as good
(33:24):
as DeMarcus Lawrence just as a pure pass rusher. Uh. Now,
he's become a very good overall player. But the reason
Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack got you know what, what's
that a hundred and seventy seven million dollars total guaranteed?
My math might be off but because they can rush
the passer. That's that's why you get paid. So so
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and Bill Bryan if he doesn't like him, he that
was his first draft pick. So if you talked about
it's not like he inherited him. He's been around him
from day one. Uh that that would that raise red
flags around the NFL for sure. Yeah, he's had injuries
and obviously there's kind of it's got to be some
thing there in terms of work ethic that has to
either injuries or work ethic, because otherwise he's got he's
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got to be one of the great god given physical
just freaks just standing there getting off the bus. We've
seen the NFL in a long time. Yeah, he's a
layup line all American. There isn't any question. There'sn't any
question about that. What do you think happens with Melvin Gordon?
Like the Chargers are Tom to LESCo. He's done a
good job. Melvin Ingram two years ago. They got out
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ahead of it, gave him a gave him a deal.
I've been told they offered him a contract somewhere in
the nine and ten sort of per year variety in
the mid twenties. In terms of guarantee. He's owed five
point one this year if they franchised the next year
to be in the thirteen ish range, So that would
take him first two years above well above what he's making,
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and I'm not sure they're going much higher. They're in
super Bowl mode. He needs to play this year. They
do have other running backs and survived when he was
hurt last year, and he's been hurt a little bit.
How do you think this ends well? To me, a
trade is not an option unless they get blown away
by a pick like the Cowboys with Mari Cooper. You
know something like that. That's not gonna happen, and no
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one's gonna trade high picked for a running back. So
to me, he's gonna play on the Chargers this year. Now.
Is his head in the right spot? Training? Ideally? Want
him in training camp? Uh? I? I think it's a
pretty complicated situation. I know the forty Niners are dealing
something similar on a different level with Robbie Gold, where
the team automatically looks like, oh, take care of your guy,
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and same like the forty Niners have offered Robbie Gold
a lot of money on top of the franchise tag,
and he keeps being a problem, so the team is
always gonna look like the bad guy. And like you
said that, they're offering him probably a hefty raise, but
he's still offended by it. That's probably the wrong word,
but thinks he's worth more. I think it's really complicated
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because of Todd Gurley. You just saw Todd Gurley, who
was when he was healthy, is a mean, arguably the
best running back in the league, better player than Melvin Gordon.
That contract is a problem now, and I think similarly
like Melvin Gordon, he he had injury questions, and if
there were no injury questions, it would probably already be done, right,
it wouldn't be that big of an issue. Just like
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if Zeke Elliott did not have off the field issues,
he'd probably already have a long term issue. Usually when
these guys don't have a long term contract, there is
some red flag either physically, uh, either some intangible like
a clowney or something off the field like a Zeke,
because these teams want to sign the guys they draft, right,
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that's that's the Chargers to let's go. That's what he
learned that from Poleon. That's like that's what they grow
up in this business wanting to do. But I think
the running back position is just the ultimate curveball right now.
It leaves a lot of general managers. Even teams that
are in they have they have a Super Bowl roster,
but I think it's a tough position for the general
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manager to be in. You know what it's like. It's
it's it's like if you had um an H two Hummer, right,
and you're like, you got an H two Hummer and
like ten years ago, this was the car man, this
was the jam. And you try and go and trade
in your H two Hummer, and and the guys looking
(37:15):
at you, like, dude, gas is four dollars a gallon,
That thing gets ten miles a gallon. Like sorry, we're
just not you know, if you got a prius, well
we'll give you that one. But we're kind of into that.
It just it feels like somebody needs to tell him.
This is actually a great situation. You have a former
running back who was former running back coach as your
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head coach. They actually value you, and they'll probably overpay
you because they want they want to sign their guys. Otherwise,
you run the risk of kind of the harsh reality
of what sits sits out there. I I love when
people use the Levian Bell contract, like, hey, Levan Bell's
contract is so good. The general manager who offered it
and you signed it got fired shortly thereafter. That's what
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that That's what the Jets failed. But felt about that
deal and the good thing for Melvin Gordon. I was
around Ryan Matthews when I was at Fresno State. It
was impossible for him to ever, you know, follow lt
and you always want to be the guy, right as
a coach that follows the guy after the big time coach.
That's what Melvin kind of has even after he got
off to the slow start. I think we all acknowledged fans,
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people in the league he's an excellent player, like he's
a winning, high level player. He's proven to be worth
that first round pick. But it's still it's still complicated,
and I think a lot of it falls probably at
the end of the day. If he was a wide
receiver same situation or a pass rusher, it would be
much easier and you just pay him. But I think
the running back that position just I mean a couple
(38:38):
of years ago, remember the undrafted free agent was his
last name, Oliver, That played with Khalil Mack and Buffalo.
I mean, you can just find these running backs. I mean,
the Chargers have done it. It's just I would be
hesitant to give him, you know, thirty forty guaranteed. Doug
Otlives show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, Gronk just
caught some passes. Gonna work out for Tom Brady. He's
(38:59):
lost a bunch of a Any chance you think he
comes back like mid season? I don't know, because the
one thing that he always hung his hat on was
for being this you know, all time great physical specimen
in the red zone and pass catcher. Was he was
such a dominant blocker, especially these last couple of years.
As his age, he's gotten even better. He became like
a six tackle you know, six offensive lineman for him.
(39:21):
So to me, if he was playing last year, let's
say to six and now he's two thirty four, that's
a that's a lot of weight, you know, especially going
up against the pass rushers and the defensive lineman that
are in the NFL now, right. It's just it's just
it's just really hard and uh, obviously you take him
back and he's such a physical freak. Maybe he could
(39:42):
put on ten pounds, you know, in a month or
less than that if you really locked in. But I
just I kind of feel like he's done. I hope
he's not. I mean, he's fun to watch and Patriots
are always on TV, so I'd like him to play.
But my gut says he's done. Did you see this
the story of Chris Hernon. Chris Hernan's is super talented,
really fast tight end and one of the favorite targets
(40:03):
of Sam Donald. He's gonna miss the first four games, uh,
do to violating the league's substance abuse policy. That's the
same guy that had UH drunk driving, driving on intoxicated
after a car crash and rest and last summer. Like dude,
come on, man, right, come on, and we're trying to
trying to keep in this league here, Bud. The sad
(40:24):
the sad thing is, I mean, so many guys in
in sports and you saw it probably for years in basketball.
Football is the same way. I mean, to just wash
out and everyone know when they play with this guy,
like god, this guy could have been really good, and
some guys make it. Because I interviewed George Kittle probably
a month ago, and you know, he just he's married,
he just goes home, like he leaves a pretty boring life.
(40:46):
And you know, sometimes boring those guys are just gonna
make it more than some of the guys that just
I don't know, we just can't get it together. I mean,
these are pretty basic things, right, and it's just it's
one thing when you're seventeen, eighteen nineteen, but you're in
the NFL and then you're playing well, like you have
the world in your hand and you still can't figure
it out. And I would imagine that these next couple
(41:08):
of weeks are usually when you get these updates that
so and so has been suspended. I mean, I just
got one right before he jumps on Richie Incognito. But
that's a that's a that's a conduct one, right. But yeah,
that was I think for I mean, who knows. I
didn't tell you this. You know, I was doing yoga
one day when he had retired, and I was like,
I know that guy from somewhere is Richie Incognito? Who
(41:31):
is who is doing yoga in my hot yoga studio?
And he's Doug. He was a pro bowler in the
seventeen and no one just signed him an eighteen obviously
because he came off the rails. I mean, he's what
you can never take away from Ritchie when he's on
the field. Richie is a high end starter. How about
your boy Matt Wolf He is a bowler, the golfer
(41:54):
from Oklahoma State who who just won his first first
pro tournament. He's he's pretty Him and him in the
other Swiss guy from Oklahoma State too, are pretty damn good. Yep, yep,
no question about it. All right, dude, uh podcast, you
have a guest this week? Or is just you? Just me?
Just three and out? Podcast download on the Herd Podcast Network.
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I'll have mine up probably sometime tomorrow. Reacting to this trade.
The Herd Podcast Network has John Middelkoff who just joined
us and he has all football talk or rundown of
all the stuff going on in the league. John, thanks
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South and Russell Westbrook joined James Harden Wow? Wow. You
know what's interesting is there are just certain guys, There
are certain places where it's not just innovation, But do
you ever know somebody who's a hey, a serial entrepreneur
(01:25):
or maybe you've seen these movies where there's an inventor,
you know, like like Data from Goonies, where he's got
the slick shoes, he's got Some inventions work and some
inventions don't. But the the you continue to think and
try and push for new inventions. Remember that everything of that,
that's kind of who Darryl Morey is. I mean, think
(01:48):
about the roster in Houston. Think about this for a second.
You go back to two thousand and twelve, two thousand thirteen,
they were like, man, we're all in on German me
Lynn and Chandler Parsons to play alongside James Harden and
that one yep uh. The next year they went out
(02:09):
and they got themselves Dwight Howard like all right, we
need a big I know we don't play that way,
but we're gonna play a big and they added they
added Dwight Howard, and then of course the next year
after that, you know it's two thousand, what two thousand,
two thousand and fifteen, they still had Howard for half
(02:31):
the season. They added Trevor Riza. They also had the
Natas Montes Junas, and so they changed Stiles yet again.
You go to the very next season, Dwight Howard was back.
This was after his injury played year the year before,
(02:52):
you know, and uh Montes Junis was jettison. They add
in Corey Brewer and they tried it again. They tried
the Dwight Howard thing. That didn't work. They get rid
of Dwight Howard and they go Eric Gordon and Lou
Williams and Ryan Anderson, Ryan Anderson. They go, well, we
(03:12):
go with a guy who's a back to the basket,
five to the stretch for in Ryan Anderson. That'll work,
That'll open up the lane. That lasted all of one year.
Then they went out and moved mountains and got Chris Paul.
For two years, they've tried everything. Here's what's gonna happen.
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I think Russell Westbrook makes them modestly better. I think
Chris Paul is a better player for the life of
his career than Russell Westbrook. But he got injured in
some key moments. He struggled to get along with some people,
and he's now gonna be on his fourth or possibly
fifth team. Maybe he'll get traded and he's not gonna
win an NBA championship. That said, Russell Westbrooks a better
(03:56):
player at this point his career. He has more juice
in the tank, even though he's had a couple of
new surgeries. He is just a freak athlete. And I
think it will work out modestly well, but it's not
gonna win them a championship for a multitude of reasons.
Here's the three biggest ones. Number one, most importantly, the
West is in fact better, whereas the last two years,
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the last three years, all they've had to shoot for,
all they've had to shoot for is the Golden State Warriors.
The last five years, the Golden State Warriors been the
best team, and they have been possessed with trying to
beat the best team so much so that they're blowing
up this team which could have run it back. But
next year you have the Clippers, you have the Lakers,
you have the Jazz, you have the Nuggets. I still
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think the Spurs are sitting right out there laying in
the cut. As they get there, they get jont Murray
back as their point guard. A dynamic defensive player will
see if he can shoot at all. The Poland Trailblazers
still out there went to the Western Conference Finals. I
think they got better, um and I wouldn't count out
Golden State. You're gonna have You're still gonna have Steph
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and Draymond, and now you in at ind'angelo Russell. It's
not crazy to think that they'll win some games. Minnesota, Nola,
the Dallas Mavericks will be demonstrably better by the way
christophs Prezingis signs a monster deal despite not having played
a game in like a year and a half. So
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I think they're modestly better and more athletic, and you
have a guy who's younger and plays really hard and
is played in big games. But there's two other reasons
that I don't like it. One is what are they
gonna do? Who are they gonna be? And does the
team have Mike d'antoni's back. Does he have Mike d'antoni's back,
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Because Mike D'Antoni had to get rid of all of
his assistants and could not get work a contract extension
for a guy who doesn't hold players accountable traditionally, to
see the defensive end, it makes it worse when players
don't know if they're even gonna been playing for him
by the end of the year, let alone next year.
And the last part is this, James Harden's on the team.
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James Harden's your best player. In basketball, you are who
your best player is. James Harden is their best player.
Do I think Chris Paul is perfect? I do not.
I am a Chris Paul fan. I realized that he
wore people out in l A with the Clippers, and
he wore people out with the horn with the with
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the Rockets last year. But I would also point out
that part of his frustration, a major point of his frustration,
was not just the over dribbling and over handling by
James Harden, but James Harden didn't play the other end
of the floor, and he knew it, and he knew
ultimately he would kill him, because you are who your
best player is. If your best player isn't playing the defense,
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that's your team. So we're left with the Rockets, who
have constantly tried to remake themselves time and again, trying
to throw something at the wall, and I think it sticks.
I don't think it's But do I think to win
a championship probably not do. I think they'd be really good. Yeah,
you're gonna have you still have Eric Gordon, stef Clin Cappella.
(07:20):
You know you got you have Austin Rivers come out
the bench. You're fine, You're good. They're gonna upgrade over
a team that two years ago had the best record
in the NBA, but it's still the same team that
loses at home seemingly every year in the playoffs, a
team that could in fact be injury pro injury prone,
(07:41):
and a team that kind of has some mismatched parts,
not just in terms of how they fit together, but
how they fit whatever system they run. The perfect example
is a team that loves three three point shooting and
high efficiency three point shooting has the least efficient three
point shooter now playing the point guard position, and he
never been one to pass first, and that's Russell Westbrook.
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How do I think it'll work. I think it'll be okay.
I think they'll go in the playoffs. I think they'll
win a series, possibly too, and likely come up short.
Why Because I've seen this movie. I know exactly how
it ends. James Harden has never been accountable, has bad habits,
won't play defense, it'll frustrate Russ Russell Westbrook has bad habits,
(08:28):
takes bad shots, it'll frustrate James Harden. And of course
Mike D'Antoni does not have the backing of his organization
and he's not never been a browbeater, which is what
these guys actually need to get the job done. Be
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(08:50):
A mc joins the show on The Doug got Leap
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Sam I was trying
to actually give context on when James Harden was dealt
to Houston. People forget two things. One, they thought the
hard cap was coming, and so you had to decide
what you were going to keep, what you weren't going
to keep, or if as a luxury tax you didn't
want to be the tax. And the second part two,
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that is the thunder knew they had to play. The
Lakers and the Spurs both had two bigs and that's
why they needed Abaka instead of Harden, as well as
the fact that James Harden kept going to strip clubs
during the NBA Finals and playing terribly. I get that
we look back seven years removed and go, how could
you possibly make that trade? But during the context of
the time, the guy asked for huge money, they low
(09:34):
balled him a little bit. There's a reason why everything
was done fair. Yeah, I mean scare, but the hindsight
is combination of But it's also pretty brutal on the
thunder because the tax situation in the end was not
you know, nearly as much of a de turrn as
they believed at the time, and that that was hard
to handicap. And then on top of that, when you're
(09:56):
talking about essentially a forty five million dollar gap between
what they had on the table and what you know,
James and his agent at the time, Rob Polka, now
Lacaum wanted. It's just it's a tough till the swallow.
But I mean that listen, that's right to get debated
until the end of time. And it's you know, it's
not ever been as simple as three m v P
(10:17):
caliber talents on the same roster. How would you get
rid of any of them? The other thing, from the
ok Sea side, they certainly could this day try to
remind people of his Uh, the shelf life for James
Harden being a willing member of the second unit was
not very long. You know, he was not going to
sit there and and enjoy that existence for too much longer.
(10:37):
And I think all those things ultimately sent to im packing. Okay,
So what's your immedia reaction to the trade, um Man,
I don't know. I mean, we reported a few days
ago that Houston was interested, but it was the incarnation
that had Chris staying around, which was obviously extremely unorthodox,
(10:58):
but would have been attaining to watch those three guys
try to share the ball with Chris, Russe and James
and so this version of it, I mean, the media
reaction is the thunder continuing to make the best of
a bad situation and stock Kyle at this point eight
first round draft picks in the past six days, between
the Paul George deal, Jeremy Grant, Deale to Deever and
(11:20):
this one. Uh, it's it's probably the fastest rebuild in
terms of assets in the history of the league. So
we'll see what they do with that. On the rocket side,
you know, not surprised at all because a I knew
they had interest and be I mean, you know, and
I just got back from Vegas. He could probably hear
my voice. But like Darryl Moore, he's a risk He's
a risk taker. He gambles, you know, it's what he does.
(11:41):
And he believes in the idea that there are fifteen
to twenty EVA players in this league and you do,
you know, whatever you have to do to get many
of them as possible. How does it does it work? Uh? So,
I'm leading on some protein typeson stouts today and then
met with mostly optimism and the idea that that they'll
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figure it out. I think it matters that in terms
of the human dynamic. UM. One of my colleagues are
to my college at the Athletic Michael Lee. Brad dasson
Is reported yesterday that the Russ is very excited about
playing for Mike Antoni and his style and this space
that that he you know, kind of has within his
system and having the type of shooters around him in
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Houston that he didn't have it okay, see, And I
think that matters a lot because we all know that
we've been kind of debating Russ his coach ability for
years now, and I thought Billy Dunn, who did a
reasonable job with that relationship. But Russ is a handful,
so that matters, and they keep her now anyway, you know,
unless some changes, they have their core. You know you're
talking about Eric Gordon, Can Compella, could j Tucker, all
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those guys. They're gonna be really good now, James and
Russ specifically. You know, that's where you know their their
personal dynamic needs to be really really on a high
level because they're gonna have to from the chemistry stick
point figure that out. Yeah, I agree with that, especially
the spacing sentiment. I agree. I mean one of the
things that led Durant to leave to go to Golden
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State was when they lost to Golden State in the
in the playoffs, in the Western Conference finals. Golden State
wasn't Guarden, Andre Robertson wasn't Guarden, Steven Adams. So you're
playing three on five right everywhere you went, and I
think Russell got was and and so is Paul George.
They were frustrated with the fact that Steven Adams guy
and they just did not draft or sign enough shooting
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and so there wasn't the space. And I'm I will
grant anybody. Hey, look, Russell's gotta shoot a higher percentage,
you gotta take better shots. But I will have Russell's
back from this perspective, even though he hasn't shown the
ability to be truly coachable. Look, it's hard to get
really good shots when you're playing three on five or
four on five. Sure, absolutely, I mean, And the other
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thing is, I think the overall makeup of the Rockets
roster you can potentially just allow Russell do what he
does best more often. I mean, you know, we've been
asking for him to be a shooter forever, and he's
not a shooter. He's just not. I don't hit that dagger,
you know that you don't see coming from the thirty
five feet after mission six in a row. He's not
a shooter. And percentages have continued decline. But in this
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landscape now, all of a sudden, you know, with those
lanes a whole lot more lot open than before, with
the shooters do what they do all around him, and
his ability to to look at that lane like it's
a you know, you're at the bowling alley and you
just just all this ruined the rome, you know, just
attack that rim. That's what he does. The guy's a beast,
and and you know Combine that with James, and you know,
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you're talking about a guy who was right there again
in the NBC race, and and it's been in the
running for that for five years. I think it'll be good.
The defensive side will be interesting, not to get in
the weeds too much, but you know, then losing Jeff
to tell their defensive captain on the coaching staff, I
think matters a lot of You have all the weirdness
with miked'ntoni and his lack of a contract extension. So
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still strange times in Houston. But but admittedly I'm excited
to see how it works. Chris Paul to Miami. Are
there any other possible destinations? Um? Not that I'm a
going to be honest with you right now. I am
probably a leaning pretty hard towards the idea that Miami
is not looking to get I'm not getting indications that
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they have a ton of interest. Um. Leon Rhodes, whose
agent you know, has deep relationships with the Heat Dwayne
Wade for all those years, is represented by c a
same agency, you know, And so if what I keep
hearing is that Leon's got a lot of work to do. Um,
But right at the gate, you know, I had somebody
who whose voice would definitely matter telling me no go um,
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And so we'll see if that changes are develops from there.
It just becomes the question of yeah, I mean there's
so much money. I really you know, I don't think
they fund to have any incentive to buy about you're
not going to stretch them, uh, you know, in terms
of stretching that contract out, because that would be brutal
on the cap. So I don't know how to say.
And I mean it might take a few months and
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you know, at some point of the kind of winning
his way to the Lakers or something like that. I'm
not sure, but right now it's pretty unclear. Sam Immic
from the Athletic joining us in the Doug Outlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, so the dust
is relatively settled. If you were going to see the
West one through eight, how would you do? So? Um,
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you know, putting on the spot. I mean the Clippers
death lack of a point guard does bother me a
little bit other than I mean, Pad Ever was fantastic,
but you know, conventional point guard. But I like the
Clippers death and I love their squad. I think the
Lakers are right there, Utah's right there. I mean it's
a pick up for me at the top in Houston
wan that it's probably my top four. Um, you know,
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Portland is is kind of one of the few where
I'm not sure what to make of them. The hus
On Whiteside move could pay off, but but he's a
wild guard in his own right, so I don't know
how that looks. Um. You know, Denver, I really like
to move with Jeremy Grant, so you know, maybe top four,
top five camp is all kind of the same with
Denver in there, But it's it's one of those off
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seasons again, Doug where you know, And it's fine. I
have no problem having an egg on my face, but
I was laughing when when you try to handicap you know,
the paper champions and what we think it's going to
look like, and I feel like, you know, eighty percent
of the time at minimum, it winds up looking a
lot different when they get on the court than we
thought it would. What we're talking about in July, no
question about it. And and then you factor in injuries.
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Are we after Chris Paul or if Chris Paul gets
moved us, are we done right? Like is that it.
I mean, can we can we all go on vacation
now because Brad Beale is not going to be traded.
Kevin Loves not can be trade. Not that Kevin Love
is at that level, but he has won to won
a championship. I mean, are we are we good in
terms of the player movement for now? Uh? To my
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knowledge yes, but you know the situations you mentioned, you
know who knows um you know, even even the oak
they see, they're definitely talking as if it's a legitimate rebuild.
But Sam Presty is aggressive, just like Darren Moore is
this part of me. It's like, all right, Sam, how
long can you sit on all those assets? Are you
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going to be tempted? Two? I mean he's got this
is the Boston type situation right where now he's got
the type of assets where he's in the in the
ball game for any start out there. You know, now
we don't have a prime candidate, you know, um in
terms of the guys that you go after right now
and an ultar with the rest of their roster kind
of you knows off. But I think it's time to
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unplugged a little bit. But every time I say that,
you know, God's other linement that pulled me back in.
So we'll see. Yeah, yeah, last thing you mentioned Oklahoma City,
we're seeing it kind of in New Orleans. Although they
are they just have some veteran players. They're going to
try and win, you know, Charlotte Um. You know, we'll
see what within the EU and Victor Oladipo comes comes back.
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But you know, the smaller markets, frankly Toronto, which I
know is not a small market, but has to participate
like a market that's not going to get a high
caliber free agent. Maybe they can get started getting some
Canadians to come back as free agents. There seems to
be the haves and the have nots, and your choices
either build from the draft and with the young roster
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and then hope to maybe trade for a star you
know who's disgruntled or late in his career, or build
from free agency the way that's now have or they
built organically before that the Clippers now have, the Lakers have,
uh and and you know the bigger the bigger teams
are trying to are are the NBA owners of the
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smaller market teams? Are they okay with that? No? I
don't think so. I think they're frustrated. Um, you know, okay,
see's the latest one. New Orleans did as well as
you can do. You're talking about making the best of
a bad situation. I really like their roster and they're excited.
But you know, i'd actually all people a couple of
nights ago to get Summer League in Vegas, and I
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was very positive and tea guys with a toy like, man,
you guys have had a pretty incredible four weeks or
whatever it is. Any kind of shrugs like thank you,
I appreciated, Like we still lost Anthony Davis, you know,
like it's still lost an incredible wall player. So the
small market squads and more, you know, their owners, I
guarantee you. You know, at Board of Governors the other
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day in Vegas, they were vocal. There were robust conversations
about um, the rules pertaining to cre agency, the rules
pertaining to contracts, and what changes might be able to
make for the most part, but you know, there's quiet
relief that they have moved on from that contract. But
they had to give it to them at the time.
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So you either give the guy that monsters deal. You
know that the c b A says that's the advantage
you have to keep a guy, you know, or it
ends up becoming a situation where the guy wants out
and he didn't stick around even though he kind of
got it in that market, so right, yeah, or there
they the quiet letter where you sign a two year
deal and then you get the ten years vested, or
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maybe the other part doing this maybe more Kevin rant, like, Look,
I'm already making twenty five million dollars a year, what
I like to make forty or fifty like, but the
chances I spend I spend two hundred and fifty million
dollars that I've made over my career are slim and
none and none just left the building. Right, If I
know at all what I'm doing, it does become monopoly
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money instead of just money for happiness. But to tie
a bow on that, because I like the way you
put that, it's like nothing, I mean, all the respect
of the guys who've gotten the super Max. I feel
like there's this elements of like the guys who took
it probably knew they didn't deserve all of it, and
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they grab it because you know, they know that it's
it's available to them. And then the collies and the
rants and guys like that, like they just you know,
they can go to bed at night. Even Kevin was
there a chilling and an injury knowing that they're getting
that money in the sixth year at some point anywhere, uh,
you know, the market is a great example. He was
really ready to take that money in Sacramento. And you know,
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and in the end, you know, they have spooked and
that's why they traded them. Yeah, and you know what
the other part is this more people should do the
rest of that. I think they'll start taking it. I
think they all start taking it and then they don't
like it forced themselves to be traded, and they're they're
there in lies the issue. And I do think Oklahoma
City probably told those guys, hey, look, if it starts
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to go bad, we will move you. Like that's how
they and and but but there at some point there
will be a guy who takes a super max deal
who a year into it says like, nah, I'm out,
And I don't know what you do there. I don't
know if you just move on from a guy, if
you're gonna take a bad you know, just to take
some draft picks and to start over. Saying this has
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been go ahead. I know I got to get out,
but I heard the interesting idea along those lines. Uh,
these are the types of things you get thrown around
the owners meetings. But like if you take the super Max,
maybe you've got something there where that guy just cannot
be traded for the first three years. Like if you
want the money, then you're stuck for rants amount of
time and both sides better figured out. But you know,
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those are the type of ideas spoken around. Yeah, going
to be interesting, Sam, great stop, Thanks so much for
joining us. We hope that after Chris, if Chris Paul
gets mover doesn't get moved, we can all go on vacation.
I with your brother. I'm going either way the flights
book and uh, you know, maybe I'll be on my
phone and when I'm across the pond. But but we
sall see all right, let us know Safe Travels will
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follow you on I G and on social media. Thanks
for joining us. Be sure to catch live edition so
the Doug Got Leaps Show week days in noon eastern
three pm Pacific. John Middlkoff joins us. He's a former
NFL scout. Three and Out is the podcast, and we
spoke earlier on the Dan Patrick Show. I don't know
if you heard this quote from can I read use
this quote from USA Today from Dark Prescott far away?
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Uh For somebody who says you you you can only
take so much because of the salary cap, you can
only do this for that, I don't know how fair
that is to say. Because with gambling everything going on
the league, everything's gonna continue to go up. It's important
for these guys to get every bit of their worth.
I want to see Zeke be the highest paid. I
want to see him, Mari be the highest paid. I
want to see myself be up there. And I don't
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think that's too far fetched because at the end of
the day, when everything is said and done, a year
or two later, you're not going to be the highest paid.
That's just the way the game goes like. You can't
have three you put players and look, Mari is not
gonna be the highest paid wide receiver anyway. But you
can't have three players play at the top of their
you can't feel the team. I guess the whole thing
is built around the offensive line. I don't even what
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is he even talking about. I don't know. It's a
stupid statement, because he should have prefaced it by saying,
if what I'm about to say means we're not gonna
play together anymore, so we can all just go to
other teams and make a lot of money. But they
also have the more Arkans Lawrence they just broke off.
They paid him a lot of money. Tyrone Smith or
left tackle who's aging, but he makes a ton of cash.
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Jalen Smith coming up the pipe making a lot of money.
And like the thing with Dak, and we talked about
it earlier, you're so valuable as the Cowboys quarterback, especially
as the Cowboys quarterback on a good team. Like Tony
Romo was cool once the Cowboys a couple of those
playoff years and that Tony was playing well, he went
to a different level. And he is the lead voice
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for CB, a lead analyst for CBS, had no broadcasting experience.
Why do you think that is well, exactly, meet anyone
now and just bring up Tony Romo. Every guy would say, yeah,
I'd want to hang out with that guy. I mean,
he's more famous now than he was playing. He was
pretty damn famous when he was playing the same with Dak.
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I really think on paper you could make an argument
the Cowboys are the best team top to bottom. Now,
we could argue that all day long. They're definitely a
top five roster. Now. A lot to hinge on Dak,
And it's why I've been adamant. I would not pay
Dak right now unless he's willing to take a discount.
And when I say discount, I mean like four million dollars.
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But if you pay him twenty five million dollars and
he guaranteed him sixty seventy million dollars, then it would
enable you. Kaepernick did that when he signed a big
deal with the forty niners. The problem was with the
forty niners, they let all these guys walk, you know,
and it kind of screwed up that everything they had going.
We know, Jerry Jones is not into that. Everyone knows
Jerry Jones wants to keep Dak, wants to pay a mari.
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But if he pays z Or I mean Dak when Dak,
that comment means Dak's thinking thirty plus million dollars a year.
Right If you do that, some of these guys are gone.
That's just that's a reality. Because at the end of
the day, with dak comment, about up, up, up. It's true,
but it's still the salary cap is not. It's still
a eighty and next year when it goes up or
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it'll be one. It doesn't jump that much. Yeah, and
again you have to pay everybody else. You just can't
plump it into like three dudes. Huh. The other problem,
Doug is they drafted so well, all these sweet teammates
he has, especially on defense, like those guys will never
make as much as him. But paying multiple guys on defense,
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one guy twenty and then three other guys ten plus
million dollars adds up. You know you do have twenty
two guys on the field. That's that's a lot of players.
It absolutely does. What do you think? Have you? Have
you heard this latest thing, the idea, that proposal, Hey,
you'll play eighteen games, but the max you can play
a sixteen. My thought is eventually they're gonna get to well,
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we'll put five more guys in the roster, right, five
more guys in the game day roster fifty becomes fifty one.
That's a hundred and sixty more jobs. Is that? Is that?
How you? Is that how you navigate this idea of
playing a t I still think eighteen games a mistake,
but they appear to want to do it to make
more money for everybody. How do you think they handle it? Yeah,
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I mean I think you talked to one in the NFL,
especially kind of the younger generation, and I don't know,
you know, guys that run teams. They think it's so
moronic that you have the game day rosters only forty
five and not the actual fifty three guys that you
prepare with during the week. Uh that that to me
makes zero sense. And then there probably should be some
wiggle room that, like, I don't know, maybe every week,
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on top of those fifty three guys dressing, maybe you
get to pick two of your practice squad players. You know,
you have the guys, I mean they're literally in the
building six days a week, just those practice squad guys
don't travel. And then half the game day or I mean,
you know that eight players on the game day roster
just are in sweats on the sideline. To me, that
doesn't make much sense, especially when you claim safety first.
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The other thing, I think that they need to figure
out a way that's very anequated. You talk to anyone
that negotiates contracts in the league. The NFL is big
on because back in the day when they created it,
like the seventies, with these big contracts or not big contracts,
but at the time they were, you had to put
all this money in escrow, every guaranteed pen Like if
I signed an NBA player the two hundred million dollar contract,
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like Steph Curry, I don't have to have the two
hundred million dollars on hand. Well, when Matt Ryan's got
a hundred million dollars signing bonus. Now Arthur has the money,
but the Falcons had to put a hundred million dollars
in this scrow account and he got a large portion
of it, and then within a year he gets it all.
And they need to figure that out because that to
me screwing up some of the stuff too. But yeah,
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I'm with you. They need to uh the expanded roster.
You don't even expand the roster. The players are already
on the teams, you know. It's not like you need
to go sign guys off the street. They this team
start with ninety man's So when the training camp starts
here in a week or two, people show up and
then they cut it down to fifty three but it's
really forty five because you know, give or take a
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player throughout the year. To me, that number, couldn't you
make it like fifty eight or sixty? I think so,
And I think I think that's a negotiating tactic that
they take in the next c B A is instead
of you know, the player is to the top, top
end at want more money, but the way in which
you get things done is the rank and file, and
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you know, good luck, good luck getting a union to
vote against. Like I said, if you had five roster spots,
five that's a hundred and sixty jobs. Like, okay, here's
the deal. We could pay your top end guys more money,
or we could get a hundred and sixty more jobs
even if it's a low end. And one thing I
always love, yeah for sure, is like in a blowout
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game in the NFL during the season, when people go,
why are the starters still in the game, because they're not.
There's no backups to some of these guys. I mean,
there's only seven offensive lineman dressed, so you can't just
have the two backups. Where are the other three guys
coming from? You only have four or five wide receivers
that your players are the players. You know, this is
not college football where when you turn on a game
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and there's you know, a hundred guys dressed and they're
playing I don't know, sixty seventy plus, especially on special teams.
That's why when you turn on and you go, why
is earl amis running now on their own special teams? What?
They're a finite number of players. You just there's only
so much you can do. And that's I'm with you.
I think that's inevitable that that's going to change. All right.
So for people who haven't heard what's going on in Houston,
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remember they tried to go out and get the general
manager from New England and and uh and that didn't work.
That didn't go over so well, he has to stay
home and stay in New England. So instead of hiring
a general manager, like yeah, well, just everybody kind of
do their thing right, and the general managers kind of
like the sales manager. You're in charge of everybody, so
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you can take, you know, everybody's information and then make
your own decisions. Let's start with the jadeveon clowney thing.
I don't know how this when when it comes out
that bill O'Brien is the one who said, like, let's
not give a long term extension to Jadeveon Clowney. Doesn't
it make it really hard to see Jadeveon Clowney playing
for Bill O'Brien in the long term future. C C
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to me, this is where two years ago, if you
had a well put together front office, if Howie Roseman
was running it or Bill Belichick, people that were going
to be there for a long period of time, and
you know, know the thinking about the long term. Because
Bill O'Brien's just living day today, you would have traded
him two years ago when you could trade him, get
a good pick back and then let that team pay him. Now,
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a team's gonna go, you're gonna want you know it.
Probably it works the second round pick for the guy,
but I'm gonna have to give up a second round
pick and then I'm gonna have to pay him an
astronomical amount of money, which which is which is part
of what part of why the Raiders was like, look
it wasn't we we got two first round picks and
they had to pay him the money. Right, So so
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exactly he's not Khalil Mack. But what is he in
terms of his value. Well, that that's why the Melvin
Gordon requesting a trade, Well, Melvin, no one's gonna trade
a good pick that they'd be willing to give up
and then pay you. That's not how this thing works.
That's why Khalil Mack was so good. It was, you know,
it was easy to find people to do business. But
the Clowney thing, you know, I think a lot of
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teams would take him in a heartbeat. I think they'd
be hesitant to pay him that much money, but they
would also be hesitant, like, no one's giving up a
first round pick for Clowney. Now I would have no
problem giving up like a third, But then I'm not
that comfortable paying him because he's a dominant run defender.
He's a solid pass rusher, but he's not he's not
the upper etional on guys. He's not even as good
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as DeMarcus Lawrence just as a pure pass rusher. Uh. Now,
he's become a very good overall player. But the reason
Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack got you know what, what's
that a hundred and seventy seven million dollars total guaranteed?
My math might be off but because they can rush
the passer. That's that's why you get paid. So so
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and Bill Bryan if he doesn't like him, he that
was his first draft pick. So if you talked about
it's not like he inherited him. He's been around him
from day one. Uh that that would that raise red
flags around the NFL for sure. Yeah, he's had injuries
and obviously there's kind of it's got to be some
thing there in terms of work ethic that has to
either injuries or work ethic, because otherwise he's got he's
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got to be one of the great god given physical
just freaks just standing there getting off the bus. We've
seen the NFL in a long time. Yeah, he's a
layup line all American. There isn't any question. There'sn't any
question about that. What do you think happens with Melvin Gordon?
Like the Chargers are Tom to LESCo. He's done a
good job. Melvin Ingram two years ago. They got out
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ahead of it, gave him a gave him a deal.
I've been told they offered him a contract somewhere in
the nine and ten sort of per year variety in
the mid twenties. In terms of guarantee. He's owed five
point one this year if they franchised the next year
to be in the thirteen ish range, So that would
take him first two years above well above what he's making,
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and I'm not sure they're going much higher. They're in
super Bowl mode. He needs to play this year. They
do have other running backs and survived when he was
hurt last year, and he's been hurt a little bit.
How do you think this ends well? To me, a
trade is not an option unless they get blown away
by a pick like the Cowboys with Mari Cooper. You
know something like that. That's not gonna happen, and no
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one's gonna trade high picked for a running back. So
to me, he's gonna play on the Chargers this year. Now.
Is his head in the right spot? Training? Ideally? Want
him in training camp? Uh? I? I think it's a
pretty complicated situation. I know the forty Niners are dealing
something similar on a different level with Robbie Gold, where
the team automatically looks like, oh, take care of your guy,
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and same like the forty Niners have offered Robbie Gold
a lot of money on top of the franchise tag,
and he keeps being a problem, so the team is
always gonna look like the bad guy. And like you
said that, they're offering him probably a hefty raise, but
he's still offended by it. That's probably the wrong word,
but thinks he's worth more. I think it's really complicated
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because of Todd Gurley. You just saw Todd Gurley, who
was when he was healthy, is a mean, arguably the
best running back in the league, better player than Melvin Gordon.
That contract is a problem now, and I think similarly
like Melvin Gordon, he he had injury questions, and if
there were no injury questions, it would probably already be done, right,
it wouldn't be that big of an issue. Just like
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if Zeke Elliott did not have off the field issues,
he'd probably already have a long term issue. Usually when
these guys don't have a long term contract, there is
some red flag either physically, uh, either some intangible like
a clowney or something off the field like a Zeke,
because these teams want to sign the guys they draft, right,
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that's that's the Chargers to let's go. That's what he
learned that from Poleon. That's like that's what they grow
up in this business wanting to do. But I think
the running back position is just the ultimate curveball right now.
It leaves a lot of general managers. Even teams that
are in they have they have a Super Bowl roster,
but I think it's a tough position for the general
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manager to be in. You know what it's like. It's
it's it's like if you had um an H two Hummer, right,
and you're like, you got an H two Hummer and
like ten years ago, this was the car man, this
was the jam. And you try and go and trade
in your H two Hummer, and and the guys looking
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at you, like, dude, gas is four dollars a gallon,
That thing gets ten miles a gallon. Like sorry, we're
just not you know, if you got a prius, well
we'll give you that one. But we're kind of into that.
It just it feels like somebody needs to tell him.
This is actually a great situation. You have a former
running back who was former running back coach as your
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head coach. They actually value you, and they'll probably overpay
you because they want they want to sign their guys. Otherwise,
you run the risk of kind of the harsh reality
of what sits sits out there. I I love when
people use the Levian Bell contract, like, hey, Levan Bell's
contract is so good. The general manager who offered it
and you signed it got fired shortly thereafter. That's what
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that That's what the Jets failed. But felt about that
deal and the good thing for Melvin Gordon. I was
around Ryan Matthews when I was at Fresno State. It
was impossible for him to ever, you know, follow lt
and you always want to be the guy, right as
a coach that follows the guy after the big time coach.
That's what Melvin kind of has even after he got
off to the slow start. I think we all acknowledged fans,
(38:17):
people in the league he's an excellent player, like he's
a winning, high level player. He's proven to be worth
that first round pick. But it's still it's still complicated,
and I think a lot of it falls probably at
the end of the day. If he was a wide
receiver same situation or a pass rusher, it would be
much easier and you just pay him. But I think
the running back that position just I mean a couple
(38:38):
of years ago, remember the undrafted free agent was his
last name, Oliver, That played with Khalil Mack and Buffalo.
I mean, you can just find these running backs. I mean,
the Chargers have done it. It's just I would be
hesitant to give him, you know, thirty forty guaranteed. Doug
Otlives show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, Gronk just
caught some passes. Gonna work out for Tom Brady. He's
(38:59):
lost a bunch of a Any chance you think he
comes back like mid season? I don't know, because the
one thing that he always hung his hat on was
for being this you know, all time great physical specimen
in the red zone and pass catcher. Was he was
such a dominant blocker, especially these last couple of years.
As his age, he's gotten even better. He became like
a six tackle you know, six offensive lineman for him.
(39:21):
So to me, if he was playing last year, let's
say to six and now he's two thirty four, that's
a that's a lot of weight, you know, especially going
up against the pass rushers and the defensive lineman that
are in the NFL now, right. It's just it's just
it's just really hard and uh, obviously you take him
back and he's such a physical freak. Maybe he could
(39:42):
put on ten pounds, you know, in a month or
less than that if you really locked in. But I
just I kind of feel like he's done. I hope
he's not. I mean, he's fun to watch and Patriots
are always on TV, so I'd like him to play.
But my gut says he's done. Did you see this
the story of Chris Hernon. Chris Hernan's is super talented,
really fast tight end and one of the favorite targets
(40:03):
of Sam Donald. He's gonna miss the first four games, uh,
do to violating the league's substance abuse policy. That's the
same guy that had UH drunk driving, driving on intoxicated
after a car crash and rest and last summer. Like dude,
come on, man, right, come on, and we're trying to
trying to keep in this league here, Bud. The sad
(40:24):
the sad thing is, I mean, so many guys in
in sports and you saw it probably for years in basketball.
Football is the same way. I mean, to just wash
out and everyone know when they play with this guy,
like god, this guy could have been really good, and
some guys make it. Because I interviewed George Kittle probably
a month ago, and you know, he just he's married,
he just goes home, like he leaves a pretty boring life.
(40:46):
And you know, sometimes boring those guys are just gonna
make it more than some of the guys that just
I don't know, we just can't get it together. I mean,
these are pretty basic things, right, and it's just it's
one thing when you're seventeen, eighteen nineteen, but you're in
the NFL and then you're playing well, like you have
the world in your hand and you still can't figure
it out. And I would imagine that these next couple
(41:08):
of weeks are usually when you get these updates that
so and so has been suspended. I mean, I just
got one right before he jumps on Richie Incognito. But
that's a that's a that's a conduct one, right. But yeah,
that was I think for I mean, who knows. I
didn't tell you this. You know, I was doing yoga
one day when he had retired, and I was like,
I know that guy from somewhere is Richie Incognito? Who
(41:31):
is who is doing yoga in my hot yoga studio?
And he's Doug. He was a pro bowler in the
seventeen and no one just signed him an eighteen obviously
because he came off the rails. I mean, he's what
you can never take away from Ritchie when he's on
the field. Richie is a high end starter. How about
your boy Matt Wolf He is a bowler, the golfer
(41:54):
from Oklahoma State who who just won his first first
pro tournament. He's he's pretty Him and him in the
other Swiss guy from Oklahoma State too, are pretty damn good. Yep, yep,
no question about it. All right, dude, uh podcast, you
have a guest this week? Or is just you? Just me?
Just three and out? Podcast download on the Herd Podcast Network.
(42:14):
I'll have mine up probably sometime tomorrow. Reacting to this trade.
The Herd Podcast Network has John Middelkoff who just joined
us and he has all football talk or rundown of
all the stuff going on in the league. John, thanks
so much for joining us. Have a great weekend. Thanks
see you
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