March 4, 2020 • 41 mins
Doug discusses Tom Brady’s free agency and why the most logical option is the most likely option for his 2020 home. He also thinks QB prospect is finally getting things right as he prepares to go #1 overall to the Bengals. Plus, he talks to QB expert Jordan Palmer about the NFL draft and which QBs will succeed at the next level.
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As the Brady turns, we continue to track this thing
and try to figure this thing out. Uh. Tom Brady
apparently has at least talked to, if not met with,
if not met with, um Bill Belichick. They talked, This
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is per Tom Curran, the Patriots Insider, Right you would
you would think I had a telephone conversation on Tuesday
to discuss Brady's impending free agency. Tom's bill to the
Sun about You're pending free agency. It wasn't a particularly
productive discussion, a source told Tom Curran. How long they talk,
whether they got into discussions about money, length of term,
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or any contract details isn't known. Belichick corn, to a source,
was all business. The impression drawings that Belichick spoke to
Brady as if you were still under contract. Technically, of course,
Brady is still under contract, but only until March eighteenth,
when its contract expires and he becomes an unrestricted free agent.
Mike Mike Girardi uh the NFL network said they did speak.
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Don't know the tenor of it. Do know that the
Brady market is not nearly as strong as is being portrayed,
and this may explain the number of leaks and attempts
to leak the quarterback to different organizations, including San Francisco
hashtag stay tuned. This was Albert Brier a bit ago
on The Rich Eisen Show discussing Brady's free agency market.
I don't know that the market is all that hot.
You need a lot of conditions in place to really
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want to go after him, to be willing to blow
up the offense, need to be willing to put yourself
on a two year timetable. Need to be willing to
see in the near future where a rebuild is going
to be. You need to do want to put talent
around him. You know, I think there's one of the
number of teams that are that are interested. You know,
the Patriots are interested in bringing them back. M the
Titans are interested, but they're also interested in their own
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quarterback Ryan Tannehill, and then the Raiders and the Chargers
will also kick the tires on it. I know they're
investigating the possibility of it. Yeah, so this is kind
of going along with what we've been saying, isn't it.
I mean, that's what this is doing, which is the
you know, like I'm not alone. I love when are
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their sports radio hosts who have done this for a while,
who just come up with stuff on their own and
can connect the dots and see things that are possibly
in the future. Yes, there are some guys that really
understand the business, and I think I understand the business
pretty well, but they understand the business. Some guys just
shot at the dark just what they think what they
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see or here on TV. But there are some guys
that can connect the dots. I feel like I can
connect the dots, but a lot it's also talking to
NFL people, like hey, what really makes sense here? And
while the Niners thing is kind of interesting because I
thought Skip Bayliss was like the first to bring it up, like, hey,
he would have made those sorts of what he would
have But then Eric Mangini today on first things. First,
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shoots it down, like, yeah, he doesn't actually fit how
they play, and you're not gonna tailor system to a
team and not tailor to him, and the two don't
actually mesh what Kyle Shanahan likes to do. Like, yeah,
most people have come around to what I've said, which
is like its sat looks great on paper. Put Brady
an all time great with a different team, and they
achieve even greater heights than they're currently achieving. Team meets quarterback.
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He's a great quarterback, but that's not the way the
world actually works. He's a forty three year old quarterback
who's done things one way for twenty years, one football language. Yes,
learn it. This is what we've been telling you, which
is like all of those sound like a good idea,
but the reality is the best place for him is
New England and Belichick. If he can hand to it right,
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if you can handle it right, can just hey, this
is standard mode of operation. You know he's a free
agent or will it be a free agent? My guess
is that was a lay of the land conversation, a
lay of the land conversation. They probably have previously talked
with his agent and him about contract and then you
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know Belichick just wants to catch up. I just want
to know where you are things, what's your process, what
do you wanna do, how you want to do it,
and then you know what are you looking for? And
I also think it would be really smart to never
talk about money. Don't talk about money or your boss,
at least in my field, when you have representation, you
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don't ever need to talk about money terms, any of
that stuff. You should never. I would guess they didn't
talk about that at all. When I go in and
I've had meetings with bosses or different companies, I've never
once mentioned money because what they do is they call
your agent, like how much do you make? How much
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will it take for us to get him? What are
they offering? How many years? What is he thinking? Where
does he want to live? What are the other kind
of quirks to him? All that stuff. So, um, I
believe both of these they obviously did talk. And I
think the more teams you hear, the better it looks
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for the Patriots because the more teams you hear mean
there's not one team that really makes sense. This is
exactly like when Lebron was leaving Cleveland. To go to
the Lakers. Staying Cleveland didn't make any sense because that thing,
he'd already basically told people he was out, and that
was like a one year kind of scenario. It didn't
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seem to have a there was no long term plan there.
Going to Philadelphia didn't make sense because if you're gonna
go to the East, you go with a bun to Shooters,
not with those guys. And you go to New York,
not to Philly. No disrespect affiliate, It's not New York,
you know. I heard people say, oh, San Antonio, and
the more teams I heard, the more I realized they
were just trying to drum up some sort of leverage
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against the Lakers where they could have more power in
l a not just come hat in hand and go like, hey,
we really want to play for you, which is what
ended up happening. And they didn't get to pick their
coach and they didn't get to pick all the players,
and they didn't necessarily love it in the first year.
In the second year, he had a little bit more leverage,
but he's under contract for four years, so it didn't matter.
I wasn't going anywhere. Kawhi Leonard got traded to the Raptors,
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and people like, what huh. Real business happens in secret,
doesn't happen, doesn't happen where people on TV. I start
to wonder about Indie. He's not going to Indie Peyton's team.
He's not going I don't believe he's going to Tennessee.
That market can't support Brady. It's it's of college football market.
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He's not going to He's not going to Tampa, even
though they host the Super Bowl next year. That's not happening.
The Chargers sound great, they sound like l A, but
they're know what, people in l A don't actually like them.
And you know, he and Shane Styke in no sort
of relationship. The Niners always been his dream team. Dream
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scenario just doesn't seem possible. So I'm sure Belichick, I
don't you know if if he can do it without
being super arrogant, knowing that he's got the guy, he's
gonna get the guy. That's my read on it, And
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the more you hear, the more he starts to come
back around too. We were on the right side of
this thing to begin with, which is you can be
an all time great quarterback, you can still have gas
left in the tank, and not everybody wants you, even
teams that need a quarterback, because it depends upon where
they are in a championship window. How do you fit
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into what they want to do? How can you fit
into what? What? What? What the player traditionally does. It's
a lot stickier than just you know, it doesn't on
a spreadsheet. It works out where you go. You had
an X to Y, and now the sudden you get Z.
That's not well. You know, you've got a Patriot guy
who's the head coach, and you've got Tom Brady, who
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used is a Patriot. Those two like, no, they that's
not who. They don't work together in terms of the offense. Well,
the Titans beat the Patriots. You add Brady to the
Titans and it doesn't actually work that way. I don't
think he has a ton of options. I think he
has there is just so much risk in leaving, and
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the reward is the same whether he stays or he goes.
The reward is can you get back to the playoffs,
can you get back to the super Bowl. The likelihood
of that reward in another spot is at least just
the same, if not less. From Leaven New England. So
I don't. I don't see it. Farmers Insurance does the thing,
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little bit, a little bit of like what we've seen
in the political realm to this. I think about this,
like it. You know, I tweeted last week or the
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week before there was a big primary and it looked
like Bernie Sanders, you got Cowherd and and who else
and Clay Travis. Oh, Bernie Sanders, he's going out making
money is bad? A socialist will never win. I was like,
I tweeted a lot of ball game left, you know,
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and whether it was Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or
or Mike Bloomberg or mayor Pete like all of these people,
like it sounds like a but Bernie Sanders wasn't isn't
gonna beat Donald Trump? You know, Mike Bloomberg and how
he was in that debate, He's got no shot. Elizabeth Warren,
while she can, she's a great debater, she's too far
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politically to the left. It didn't make sense you're gonna
end up settling on Biden, who probably would have won
last time around, and I don't know if he'll win
this time around, which is kind of where Tom Brady is.
The Chargers sounds like a good idea to like, the
Charges really aren't popular in l A. And they need
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a mobile quarterback. He's more mobile, but not what they're
They're kind of okay, they're kind of already moved there more.
That's more ownership than management. The Raiders, No, they're not
close too much. You always end up coming back to
the most logical answer, which is for him to stay.
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I
saw this from Joe Burrow, and Joe Burrow hasn't always
said the right thing this offseason. Get ready for the draft.
Remember when he was asked about Cincinnati the first couple
of times, he was like, well, they have my process
and I have they have their process and I have
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my process, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Like, yeah, that's not even
close to the answer you're supposed to be giving. Here.
The correct answer is I would love to be the
number one pick from Ohio. The Bengals think that I'm
the best player on the board. That's amazing, which is
essentially what he finally said having a press conference at
the Combine. Now he doubled up on saying smart things
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with this one. He was asked about comparing himself to
Tom Brady in terms of style of quarterback, and he said, quote, please,
don't compare me to the best player of all time.
Let me do my own thing. Don't do that to me, please.
When he was told it's a compliment to be compared
to the out year old, said it is, but it's
Tom Brady, right, it is, But it's Tom Brady. And
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this is one of those I don't know if suddenly
now he's getting reprogrammed by his agent. Last Jordan Palmer
is going to join us. He what he's worked with
Joe Burrow here some in the offseason. I don't know
if it's it's getting programmed by his agent, but this
feels like a really, really, really smart quote as opposed
to some other guys who like to compare themselves to
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the Jordan's, to the Lebrons, to the Steph curries to
the You know, they want to be very careful on
walking into that trap. I it's one thing to idolize
the guy, it's another thing to be compared to your
idol And I think Joe Burrow has suddenly either been
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advised to or has figured out these are the right
things to say. What was the old Teddy Roosevelt? Walk
quietly and carry a big stick, right, That's a great quote.
Walk quietly and carry a big quote. That's what is
Walk quietly, carry a big quote. Because if you start
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boasting and bragging about what was it, Johnny Menzel, We're
gonna tear up this league. Like, hey, the league pretty good.
We've seen a lot of good quarterbacks, a lot of
Heisman Trophy winners. Dudes that come in and torn things
up and it's been wrecked. You left tackle gets hurt,
your wide receiver drops the ball, you're running back is
in a contract dispute. Your coach has a style that
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doesn't fit what you want to do, like all of
these things. Or you go through a tough patch. You know,
you tweak your back in training camp, you miss some time,
you're not sharp, you haven't worked with your wide receivers.
You know, you make a couple of bad reads like this.
That league, the good teams struggle to make the playoffs consistently. Well,
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the ray ms like, we can tell you all the
things they lost in the Super Bowl year. But here's
the team that was the best team in the league,
the best team in the NFC by a good amount.
As a healthy quarterback, relatively healthy Todd Gurley, healthy Aaron
Donald the entire season. Don't eight playoffs the next year,
same coach, same coordinators, couldn't take that next step. So
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I think this is if this is Joe Burrow finally
getting either some good advice or understanding. Hey, the Terry
Roosevelt was right, well, quietly carry a big stick. Please
don't compare me, ever, compare me to Tom Brady, even
if it's a compliment. It's a compliment that I it
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won't go over well. There's no way of reading Burrow
tom Brady comparison and it going over well when he
hasn't taken one single snap in the National Football League.
Whatever else he said, and he said some things that
are more silly and confident. And this wasn't even necessarily
self deprecating. This was elevating that of Brady. That's the
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way to handle it. If we get all at twenty
three years old like he He may be old for
these quarterbacks, but he's young in terms of the NFL
and the attention to every Remember he went three years
at Ohio State where nobody was asking for a quote,
Nobody cared. Now he's given us quotes that we care about.
This is a really good one. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Alright, let's welcome to
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He's Daniel Jeremiah moved the sticks to the podcast. NFL
Network is the network. You'll see him on the NFL Draft.
Just got back from the Combine. He does an amazing job.
He joins us every week in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Travio. Let's let's start with Tom Brady.
The combine is like the convention for the NFL. General
consensus is Tom Brady plays. Where it's all over the place,
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Doug Um. Everybody says they've heard all these things about
these different teams. But then when you the conversation inevitably
end the same way but he'll probably just end up
going back to New England, you know, like that's how
every conversation goes about Tom Brady. These three teams make sense.
I think you could totally go to Tennessee, you know,
I don't know. Maybe it's the you know, maybe it's
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the Chargers of the Raiders, or you know, the nine
and the Niners. Thing got cranked up there at the
end and then it always comes back to but well,
if you had to put money out, I'd still say
he goes back to New England. So if that's kind
of how all those conversations end, Philip rivers to Indie,
how likely I think it's the favorite. Uh, I would
say to put a percentage on it, I don't know,
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maybe it would be the would be the overwhelming favorite
for me. Does he still have it? I think so.
I think for I think for one to two year window, yeah,
I think you could. You know, you can get it
out of him. He just he needs to be protected.
He's more dependent on what's in front of him probably
than um just about anybody else in the league right
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now that would be starting that next year. But I
think provided the protection, I think he could he could
play a winning football. Let's let's uh, let's let's get
to the draft. Obviously, you'll be on the dais on
the desk for the NFL Network for the upcoming NFL Draft,
which is live in Las Vegas. Moved the sticks as
the podcast. Daniel Jeremiah joins us on the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Why the Why the one
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eighty from Burrow? It wasn't a complete one eighty, but
there was the floated hey, he may may pull an Eli,
Hey he doesn't. And then now he's all in on
on the Bengals if they draft me. I'm I'm not
gonna miss I'm showing up. Why the change? Well, I
think he was still kind of in the fact finding,
uh phase when he got asked the question the first time,
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and then I still don't think it was a full
I want to be a Cincinnati Bengal. I want to
be the first pick by the Bengals. It was all
go wherever I'm picked, you know, as a little not
quite as not as an enthusiastic endorsement. But I just said,
it's such a long shot to be able to to
pull something like that off. Um, So you know, I
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just I think when it's all said and done, he
ends up being the first pick, and if you gave
him truth there, maybe that wouldn't be his his ideal
choice of organization. But he's, uh, he's gonna be that pick,
and I think he's gonna end up embracing it, and
I think it's the it's the right move for the Bengals.
Um is it the right move with Bengals? Like if
if Miami loves Joe Burrow and they say, you know, like,
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tell us what it's gonna take. Is there a trade,
a realistic trade scenario you'd make if you were the Bengals. No, No,
I don't trade off of I don't trade off of
the best quarterback if I really like him, and uh,
you haven't need of the position. How many teams have
we seen go wandering in the wilderness, you know, for
fift twenty years trying to find their quarterback. You've got
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a chance with the first overall pick to get the guy.
I think he's a really good player. Uh, I don't.
I don't trade off that hand size. He joked about it.
I think you did as well. On social media. There's
some arm strength questions as well. He's playing out doors
in bad weather? Are those the two areas for concern?
If if you are both eyes open about Joe Burrows
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a prospect. Yeah, I mean the hand sizesn't doesn't bother me. Um,
it's it's at the acceptable threshold. We always talked about
being below nine. It was like, okay, let's see where
it is. Uh, you know, is there any impact of it?
So nine while it's not you know, it's not the
ideal big huge hands you're looking for. There's you know,
if Mahomes is nine and a core, I just don't.
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I don't think that core of an inches is that
big of a deal. So there's no issues with fumbling
when you watch him holding onto the ball. A kid
grew up in Ohio, you know, he didn't grow up
and you know on the West Coast, never been in
any kind of weather. So that to me doesn't bother me. Now,
does he have a huge arm? No. I mean that's
and you're gonna have um inside that division. I would
say you're gonna have two or three games a year.
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I mean, I think some people think you play in Cincinnati,
you played ten games in the snow every year, and
that you're gonna have one, two or three games where
you're gonna have a really windy, you know, tough conditions.
But the way he plays is he's not gonna he's
not gonna aggressively throw the ball outside the hash and
down the field. That's not you're gonna you're gonna empty
out the formation. You're gonna get four and five guys
out in the route, and he's gonna pick you apart
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ten yards at a time. That's that's the way he plays. Uh.
It's the Doug Outli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel
Jeremiah is our guest. Okay, so number two is likely
Chase Young. We think Chase Young and Nick Bosa compare
and contrast. Yeah, I mean obviously the size, uh Young
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gives you the size. I think Young has a little
bit better get off, um, but I would say Nick
I had to higher a little bit higher grade on Nick.
Nick is the best power leverage rusher that I've ever evaluated.
You know, he's got such power in his lower half
and guys just can't anchor him. He just goes right
through him. So that's his like superpower for lack of
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a better phrase. And Chase, Chase is longer a little
bit better get off. They're both fantastic. Um, I think
Chase is a little bit tight. If you're gonna nitpick him,
he's just a little bit tighten the hips. But uh,
but he's you know, he's a special They're they're special,
special players that when you put the bosses up there
just pre draft grade. I haven't nick Chase Joey based
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off of pre draft grades. But again, we've seen what
both bosses have already done. This kid's right in that class. Alright.
So so if you're Washington, it looks like they'll go quarterback,
Go go Chase Young. But if you were them, would
you go quarterback? If if Toa was healthy, it would
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be a legitimate it would be a legitimate question, and
I would. I would probably be emboldened to to go
deep into that discussion with two healthy he's not healthy,
and the fact that you have a premier player at
the second most important position, Um I would. I would
extend my look at that Dwayne Hasky and and see
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what he does going forward. I have a higher grade
on ta than I had on Haskins coming out. So
that's why I say, you know, you have to have
that discussion. But I think the injury kind of muddies
the water a little bit. And uh, and I would
go ahead and taken a lead edge rusher, which to
me is the second most important thing you need to
build a team with. Who do you think the Dolphins
want a quarterback? I'm not so sure that it isn't Herbert,
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you know, um and and it's you know, I've I've
talked to some folks that have good contacts inside that
group and have good relationships there, and I say, look,
they really do like Herbert. Now I don't know in
context is that comparing him with Tour or if they
like him over to a or what that is. But um,
I'm anxious to see if if they like both of them, right, say,
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it doesn't matter who you have over, but if you have,
if you really like to and you really like Herbert,
there's no motivation for them to get up, you know,
from from five to three. They can sit there, let
the Chargers pay the price to go up ahead of them,
to go get to AH and then they would be
fine with Herbert. I mean that that wouldn't shock me
if if that's what ended up happening. Danna Jeremiah joining
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us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
I agree, it does. It feels like they're at five,
but they end up at three, don't they. Yeah, I
don't know. I just again, I think it comes down
to whether they're comfortable with both of those guys. They
have a ton of needs. Man, when you trade as
many players that they have, it's nice to have all
these picks, but they have a ton of needs. So
if they think it's close with two and Herbert, I
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don't see them trading the farm to go up to three.
I think they could sit there and say we'll be
fine with either one. Um to me, to it makes
a lot more sense for the Chargers than Herbert does
for the Chargers. So that's why to me, I can
see the motivation on their part to try and get
up there and get them. Yeah. I mean so that
that was my next question, obviously for people who know
locally in Los Angeles, DJ And in addition to all
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his other jobs, he's the color analyst for the Chargers
radio network. To Rod Taylor and to that that is,
do you think that's their plan? That? That to me
makes the most sense if you're trying to, you know,
win football games, right, now, but then have your guy
for the long haul in. Um, I just think that
to Ah. I think to A has a chance to
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really get everything energized in the whole, in the whole organization.
You know, he's he has capability of doing that. And
I think with the weapons they have there, um, I
think he'd fit in very well. Who are you most
disappointed by based upon their performance of the combine? Um? Gosh,
that's a great one. Uh. I mean I wouldn't you
know Eponessa I thought would run better from Iowa, the
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edge rusher. He ran five oh five. Um, so he's
got to clean that up at his pro day. But
he's such a good player on tape, I don't think
it would kill him. The probably the one who hurt
himself the most. He wasn't in my top fifty. But
Cameron Danceler is a corner from Mississippi State. Some people
thought it had a chance to go in the first round. Um,
I thought that was a little bit rich for me.
But he uh he ran four six five, which is
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a killer for a corner, so uh that that one
hurt him a little bit. Whoo who impressed you the most?
There's a good group man uh gosh. And a guy
like Denzel Mims, the receiver from Baylor. Um, he had
a great senior Bowl. He went out, ran four three eight.
He was phenomenal. Um. There's a kid. There's a linebacker
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from Mississippi State, Willie Gay, who had some academic issues,
got suspended for eight games. Um. It didn't start a
game this year. But when you watch him, he jumps
off the tape. He was a five star kid, big
time recruit and all that, but he just he had
gotten in some trouble. So you watch the tape, you
get excited about him. I don't know what the what
the issues are. Um. So he goes to the combine,
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He torches the combine and he ran like in the
four fours. He broad jumped over eleven feet. He had
a phenomenal field workout. And when I talked to teams,
they said they met with him and he not He's
not a bad kid. He had some academic issues. You know,
he was not you know, doing anything illegal, wasn't failing tests.
There was nothing like that, uh you know, dre testinar anything.
So it was just purely an academic issue. And teams
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seem to be okay with him. So when you can
clean up some of the off the field stuff and
then torch the workout like he did, he's going to
go up in a big way. Yeah, pretty amazing. Um,
last thing, DJ Danna Jeremy, you've you've done this draft stuff,
not just fl Network but for for years. Um what what?
What is more surprising Mariota being people likely be a backup.
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Some people think Chicago or Josh Rosen, Like, I don't
know where Josh Rosen ends up, but you talked about
star falling kind of super super quickly. Which is more surprising.
I would say probably Rosen. And I know, you know
the knocks on Josh personality wise and all that, But
he was such a gifted thrower, I thought, okay, he'll
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you know, he maybe nobody, We won't have guys lined
up to be his his best buddy, you know. But
he's so gifted as a thrower that you know he'll
figure it out, somebody will get it out of him.
So for him potentially to be on his third team
in three years, uh, coming right into the league, and
I don't know who could have predicted that. Nope, I
do not either. Daniel Jeremiah is a great job download
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Summit dot com. That's where a bunch of quarterbacks get
together and a quarterback stuff. I'm kid and Jordan Palmer's
former NFL quarterback uh in his own right of course,
his brother Carston Palmer's former star NFL quarterback in his
own right. He Jordan's a quarterback expert, works with guys
all year long, and he joins us year on the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, the
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Quarterback Summit, I believe as it already occurred, is it
gonna occur? What's the Quarterback Summit? Well, it's just a
gathering of guys that kind of all ages. Right now,
it's draft training and felt vets uh. And then I
just literally starting this Saturday, I have one day camps
at three day camp, so I worked with kids throughout
the course of the year from ten years old to
nine year vets have a have a I have a
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ten year old. I have a ten year old. I'm
down the street from where you are. Where's where? Where?
Where do I get to tow do I get to
ten year old with you? Let's go send them on down,
give me something dot Com send him to me. I
love to. Actually, it's funny. I know I'm getting older
because I've got a lot of former teammates who are
now sending their kids to me. Some of them are
in college. So I'm at that point in my career
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where guys I used to play with kids are now coming,
including my brother Jordan Palmer joining us in the Doug
Out Lip Show. You've had these workouts though, going these
these draft workouts going, and I was told Burrow has
been a part of it. Donald, Kyle Allen, Um, I
mean Josh Allen as well, uh stid him and Jordan's
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love right, those are the guys that have been out there. Yeah,
so I've got draft classes this year. Usually, you know,
worked with three to four guys, and that's been the
case also Stephen Montes and Cole McDonald um. As you're preparing, uh,
had my last day with Stephen Montes today as he
heads back to Colorado as Pro Days next week. But
then I've had Vets here for the last couple of months,
So yeah, some of those guys and a handful of
others UM, some of them starters, some of them backups,
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trying to take a step, and uh really like some
it's more just a community. I mean, it's we tonight
we have Wednesday Night film Night where we're picking a theme.
I think tonight is red Zone from the ten of
the twenty, and we're watching the top five quarterbacks in
the league statistically in that specific category, and we're all
getting together and watching tape, trading some great conversation and
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everybody kind of taking a step. So it's really more
of a community, and it's been awesome. I've got a
couple of different groups that throw each day. They usually overlap,
so there's usually some Vets, some draft guys UM, and
I've got you know, college kid bo Nix from Auburn
flying in tomorrow night for the weekend. So there's always
just kind of all ages, guys always helping each other,
and it's been fun because this is some of the
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best young quarterbacks in football. Yeah, and uh, and you go,
I'm actually on the side keb summit dot com to
learn more about it. Um. Okay, so Burrow, Uh, the
the one of the things I've heard from people who
have seen him throw is a little underwhelming in terms
of the arm strength. Your brother played in Cincinnati, You've
played outdoors in the NFL. I'm wondering how big an
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issue you think that is, considering all the games in
their division are outdoors and at least a portion of
the time in crummy weather. Yeah, you know, I think
arm strength is one of those things that it's it's uh,
it's so fun to talk about and it's so exciting,
and you can have a casual fan who doesn't know
much about the position of the game and they can
form an entire opinion on a quarterback based around arm strength.
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But the reality is is it's kind of like hand size,
where you'd love to say that it's very relevant. The
problem is is that there's been a lot of guys
with small hands play well or heights. There's been just
really good short guys too rough breeze is really good.
Arm strength is another one of those things. There's just
a bunch of really good players that don't have the
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strongest arm I've ever seen. Um. I also think it's
a misconception. Um, Joe's spinning it as good as anybody. Um,
he can put a ton of ball, you know, a
ton of juice on the ball. But also this game
is about anticipation, accuracy, and timing and the combination of
those three elements. And uh, I mean he did it
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sixty times at least last year that resulted in touchdowns,
and did it at a high level. I don't see
it being an issue whatsoever. I think all these guys
they go from college and they go to the NFL,
and they've got to learn to play a lot of
different elements. And uh. And so there's a step at
all these guys. When Carson went to the Bengals, he
never he never played in the snow, He never played
in the below thirty five degrees. And so there is
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that period of time. Same with Sam Donald. He's playing
in New York. Now. The only time, the first one
of the first time Sam ever threw in the rain
was on his protect um. And now he's in New York.
And so I think there's a phase that all these
guys have to go through Jordan Palmer, I guess in
the dug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio, how
much should his age factor into our ability to evaluate him?
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It's twenty three years old, far older than you know,
he's older than Sam darl right now. Um, how much
should we factor his age in terms of how close
he is to his ceiling because of his age? Gosh,
I didn't even realize that that's funny? Um, you know,
I think, Uh, two of the things that I look
at when I'm evaluating these top guys is maturity and confidence.
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On the maturity side, it's not tucking your shirt in
and saying yes sir and using manners. Maturity is really
how do guys handle big situations, whether that's a really
hard situation or a really awesome situation that could allow
them to kind of deviate their focus. And when I
look at the way that Joe handled the last couple
of months of going from relatively unknown to I mean,
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damn near pandemonium, when this guy rolls around, it's crazy
to handle that type of life change. And and can't
honestly say that he's a guy that wants a bunch
of attention. He's not so it's not really awesome and
flattering like some people would think it is. For him
to handle that situation the way that he has um
and whether that's media, whether that's social media with us,
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personal interactions with people. I gotta think the age is
one part of it. But also he's just a mature,
well raised dude um and and so that is pretty
telling of how he's going to handle the highs and
lows of the NFL. I think that he'll just continue
to handle it. Uh, definitely on the upper end of
the scale when it comes to maturity. Jordan Palmer I
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guest and the Doug Otlers Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Jordan's loves a guy that NFL people know really well. Uh,
Draft people know really well. But I think the common
and and he's got a big arm and you know
you hear people say Pat mahomes Um struggled at times
this year. Give me if if I if if I
were to walk to your if I were to walk
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up to your workouts and see Jordan's love, what would
I see? Uh? Well, the arm, strength and in uh like,
the how effortless his stroke is are gonna jump out
right away. He's a guy that's really still developing one
body wise. You know, these guys are all two years old,
so they're they're still developing, getting stronger. UM. And when
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you get a talent playing at a middle to lesser
um you know, ranked school level school, you know Josh
Allen at Wyoming or Jordan Lovett at Utah State, UM,
you get the guys who are have a lot more
put on their plate than a guy at a big
time school. So a lot of times, you know Jordan's
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love for example, at Utah State, a lot of the
answers that Utah State is supposed to have is uh,
I don't know, you're a first round pick. Makeup play,
not literally that they said that or that that he
was put in those situations. But that's kind of what
happens over the course of the year is you've got
a player that's better than everybody. So the expectations is
that that guy is gonna make plays. When they do,
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they usually throw a lot of touchdowns and throw a
lot of picks um. And so if you really actually
go through Pat Mahomes is another perfect example. A lot
of touchdowns a lot of picks in college because so
much is on their plate versus a Joe Burrow, who
had a prolific season. But you look around that huddle
and there's some dudes in that hole. And so Jordan,
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I think the arm strength is gonna jump out to you.
The size and how he looks. Uh, he wins people
over right away too. He's just a cool dude. Fans
don't realize that a lot of times. That's very relevant,
being a cool dude that people want to be around.
Um and then uh, it's misleading his stats in terms
of projecting him moving forward. And that's why I think
NFL teams uh and scouts and and personnel guys know
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him and are are able to shake off some of
the negatives on Jordan's love because it was more specific
and due to the situation and circumstances he was in
more so than how he projects moving into the league.
Doug Otlie Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
that's the force of of of Jordan Palmer. All Right,
Compare and contrast uh, the potential there with guys like
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toa who is coming off an injury. Everyone is squared
how accurate he is? How would you compare those two
guys well to his injuries? Is really kind of its
own thing that I'm not in a position to evaluate
how he's gonna handle coming out of that um, but
certainly there's a lot of smart medical people that will
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come to some conclusions on that. So really my opinions
on on tour are just assuming that he's fine, right,
assuming that no issues with the hip or or anything
else moving forward. I think, uh, and I think I've
said this to you before, Really the future of this
game for quarterbacks is the quarterbacks ability to create time
and space. And sometimes that's a subtle movement in the pocket,
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and sometimes that's making a bunch of people miss and
doing something awesome like my Homes and Josh Allen and
some of these guys and Russell Wilson um. And so
if that's the future of the game, then you got it.
I think really the age of the big, tall guy
who's got a strong arm and can't move, I just
think those days are done. And so a guy like
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to of becomes really interesting because it's not just that
he's really quick, it's that he moved and reorganizes or
resets or gathers himself just really really efficiently and really consistently. Well,
that translates more so than being tall or having a
bigger arm or being really fast. That stuff translates. And
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so when I look at too, I look at a
guy who, uh can probably play well early because of
his ability to improvise and create time and space in
the pocket and give himself you know, quality um quality
throwing attempts with not having a bunch of people around him.
Jordan Palmer joining us in the dugout leaps you on
Fox Sport Trading. Yeah. The I've talked to a couple
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of NFL people and they've said one gentle manager was like, yeah, look,
we like him. But one of the reasons he's gotten
hurt is because he's got hit. One reason he's gotten
hit is he's not necessarily as athletic as I think
people would think a smaller quarterback is. Is that fair?
I don't know. I think the guy moves pretty dard good. Um.
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And again, this is not about a forty time um.
I just don't really care about that. No, it's more
about it's about pocket elusiveness, right, pocket mobility. And but
those injuries have been people at his feet? Are people
tracking him down a little bit? Yeah? And and I
look at it like this, it's really similar to great
jump shooters. Okay, so you look at a guy like
Clay Thompson, and one of the reasons that there's kind
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of two things I think that make a great jump
shooter is one, somebody who has a consistent shot. But
the second part of it is somebody who gets to
that shot consistently, doesn't put themselves, creates enough space at
the end, gets to a consistent spine angle. They're not
fading away at a different angle every single time. And
so a lot of it is creating great shots, right,
great attempts. I think quarterbacks the same way. And so
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if you can reorganize and get yourself back with you,
you know, the terminal terminology I would use is get
yourself reorganized, but all my cleats in the ground consistently
with the same base. When you can move, stop flip
your hips and do that consistently over and over again,
I just think you're gonna end up having better attempts
more often. And so, yeah, I think too of got
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hit a lot, but I don't know that it's him
putting himself in bad situations as much as it he's
trying to make a play. Uh. And as you continue
to play more. That's you know, It's just you can't
rep pocket presence and practice. You have to play a
lot of games and get better at that. I just
think it's something he's going to continue to get better
and better at, much like Deshaun Watson has done, much
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like Josh Allen has done. Not taking bad hits this
these reps only come up in games. Uh, And I
just think it's time goes by with two it He's
going to continue to improve on that. What do you
think of Justin Herbert? Um? I think Justin is a guy. Um,
you know, he's just been so talked about for so long.
And the impressive thing is he's really kind of stayed
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away from everything in college. He didn't put himself out
there a bunch you know, media and going all these camps,
and he just seems to me to be like a
quiet worker, you know. And and uh, it's been around
him enough to know he's a humble dude, and just
this last couple of years was just focused on his team,
wasn't worried about anything individually. Um. But I do think
when you get to the NFL um you know, being
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a vocal leader and dominating the room, those are things
that actually become relevant. Um. And so I'm interested to
see he's been in a comfort zone. He's been you know,
born and raised from what I know, and Eugene played
high school, played college, grew up an Oregon Duck fan
and all that. I am interested to see when you
get out of that bubble and you go to a
new team, UM kind of like to have left the
island and moved to the South and handled it well.
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I'm interested to see Justin make that transition. And uh,
and you know, my assumption is that he's gonna do
a great job at it. Awesome stuff. Jordan Palmer chick
out QB Summit dot Um. That's QB summit dot com. Jordan,
thanks so much for joining us. Incredible perspective on the
position that everyone talks about. Thanks again, Thanks Doug.
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of the Doug got Leave Show on Fox Sports Radio.
As the Brady turns, we continue to track this thing
and try to figure this thing out. Uh. Tom Brady
apparently has at least talked to, if not met with,
if not met with, um Bill Belichick. They talked, This
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is per Tom Curran, the Patriots Insider, Right you would
you would think I had a telephone conversation on Tuesday
to discuss Brady's impending free agency. Tom's bill to the
Sun about You're pending free agency. It wasn't a particularly
productive discussion, a source told Tom Curran. How long they talk,
whether they got into discussions about money, length of term,
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or any contract details isn't known. Belichick corn, to a source,
was all business. The impression drawings that Belichick spoke to
Brady as if you were still under contract. Technically, of course,
Brady is still under contract, but only until March eighteenth,
when its contract expires and he becomes an unrestricted free agent.
Mike Mike Girardi uh the NFL network said they did speak.
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Don't know the tenor of it. Do know that the
Brady market is not nearly as strong as is being portrayed,
and this may explain the number of leaks and attempts
to leak the quarterback to different organizations, including San Francisco
hashtag stay tuned. This was Albert Brier a bit ago
on The Rich Eisen Show discussing Brady's free agency market.
I don't know that the market is all that hot.
You need a lot of conditions in place to really
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want to go after him, to be willing to blow
up the offense, need to be willing to put yourself
on a two year timetable. Need to be willing to
see in the near future where a rebuild is going
to be. You need to do want to put talent
around him. You know, I think there's one of the
number of teams that are that are interested. You know,
the Patriots are interested in bringing them back. M the
Titans are interested, but they're also interested in their own
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quarterback Ryan Tannehill, and then the Raiders and the Chargers
will also kick the tires on it. I know they're
investigating the possibility of it. Yeah, so this is kind
of going along with what we've been saying, isn't it.
I mean, that's what this is doing, which is the
you know, like I'm not alone. I love when are
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their sports radio hosts who have done this for a while,
who just come up with stuff on their own and
can connect the dots and see things that are possibly
in the future. Yes, there are some guys that really
understand the business, and I think I understand the business
pretty well, but they understand the business. Some guys just
shot at the dark just what they think what they
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see or here on TV. But there are some guys
that can connect the dots. I feel like I can
connect the dots, but a lot it's also talking to
NFL people, like hey, what really makes sense here? And
while the Niners thing is kind of interesting because I
thought Skip Bayliss was like the first to bring it up, like, hey,
he would have made those sorts of what he would
have But then Eric Mangini today on first things. First,
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shoots it down, like, yeah, he doesn't actually fit how
they play, and you're not gonna tailor system to a
team and not tailor to him, and the two don't
actually mesh what Kyle Shanahan likes to do. Like, yeah,
most people have come around to what I've said, which
is like its sat looks great on paper. Put Brady
an all time great with a different team, and they
achieve even greater heights than they're currently achieving. Team meets quarterback.
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He's a great quarterback, but that's not the way the
world actually works. He's a forty three year old quarterback
who's done things one way for twenty years, one football language. Yes,
learn it. This is what we've been telling you, which
is like all of those sound like a good idea,
but the reality is the best place for him is
New England and Belichick. If he can hand to it right,
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if you can handle it right, can just hey, this
is standard mode of operation. You know he's a free
agent or will it be a free agent? My guess
is that was a lay of the land conversation, a
lay of the land conversation. They probably have previously talked
with his agent and him about contract and then you
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know Belichick just wants to catch up. I just want
to know where you are things, what's your process, what
do you wanna do, how you want to do it,
and then you know what are you looking for? And
I also think it would be really smart to never
talk about money. Don't talk about money or your boss,
at least in my field, when you have representation, you
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don't ever need to talk about money terms, any of
that stuff. You should never. I would guess they didn't
talk about that at all. When I go in and
I've had meetings with bosses or different companies, I've never
once mentioned money because what they do is they call
your agent, like how much do you make? How much
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will it take for us to get him? What are
they offering? How many years? What is he thinking? Where
does he want to live? What are the other kind
of quirks to him? All that stuff. So, um, I
believe both of these they obviously did talk. And I
think the more teams you hear, the better it looks
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for the Patriots because the more teams you hear mean
there's not one team that really makes sense. This is
exactly like when Lebron was leaving Cleveland. To go to
the Lakers. Staying Cleveland didn't make any sense because that thing,
he'd already basically told people he was out, and that
was like a one year kind of scenario. It didn't
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seem to have a there was no long term plan there.
Going to Philadelphia didn't make sense because if you're gonna
go to the East, you go with a bun to Shooters,
not with those guys. And you go to New York,
not to Philly. No disrespect affiliate, It's not New York,
you know. I heard people say, oh, San Antonio, and
the more teams I heard, the more I realized they
were just trying to drum up some sort of leverage
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against the Lakers where they could have more power in
l a not just come hat in hand and go like, hey,
we really want to play for you, which is what
ended up happening. And they didn't get to pick their
coach and they didn't get to pick all the players,
and they didn't necessarily love it in the first year.
In the second year, he had a little bit more leverage,
but he's under contract for four years, so it didn't matter.
I wasn't going anywhere. Kawhi Leonard got traded to the Raptors,
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and people like, what huh. Real business happens in secret,
doesn't happen, doesn't happen where people on TV. I start
to wonder about Indie. He's not going to Indie Peyton's team.
He's not going I don't believe he's going to Tennessee.
That market can't support Brady. It's it's of college football market.
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He's not going to He's not going to Tampa, even
though they host the Super Bowl next year. That's not happening.
The Chargers sound great, they sound like l A, but
they're know what, people in l A don't actually like them.
And you know, he and Shane Styke in no sort
of relationship. The Niners always been his dream team. Dream
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scenario just doesn't seem possible. So I'm sure Belichick, I
don't you know if if he can do it without
being super arrogant, knowing that he's got the guy, he's
gonna get the guy. That's my read on it, And
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the more you hear, the more he starts to come
back around too. We were on the right side of
this thing to begin with, which is you can be
an all time great quarterback, you can still have gas
left in the tank, and not everybody wants you, even
teams that need a quarterback, because it depends upon where
they are in a championship window. How do you fit
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into what they want to do? How can you fit
into what? What? What? What the player traditionally does. It's
a lot stickier than just you know, it doesn't on
a spreadsheet. It works out where you go. You had
an X to Y, and now the sudden you get Z.
That's not well. You know, you've got a Patriot guy
who's the head coach, and you've got Tom Brady, who
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used is a Patriot. Those two like, no, they that's
not who. They don't work together in terms of the offense. Well,
the Titans beat the Patriots. You add Brady to the
Titans and it doesn't actually work that way. I don't
think he has a ton of options. I think he
has there is just so much risk in leaving, and
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the reward is the same whether he stays or he goes.
The reward is can you get back to the playoffs,
can you get back to the super Bowl. The likelihood
of that reward in another spot is at least just
the same, if not less. From Leaven New England. So
I don't. I don't see it. Farmers Insurance does the thing,
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in the political realm to this. I think about this,
like it. You know, I tweeted last week or the
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week before there was a big primary and it looked
like Bernie Sanders, you got Cowherd and and who else
and Clay Travis. Oh, Bernie Sanders, he's going out making
money is bad? A socialist will never win. I was like,
I tweeted a lot of ball game left, you know,
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and whether it was Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or
or Mike Bloomberg or mayor Pete like all of these people,
like it sounds like a but Bernie Sanders wasn't isn't
gonna beat Donald Trump? You know, Mike Bloomberg and how
he was in that debate, He's got no shot. Elizabeth Warren,
while she can, she's a great debater, she's too far
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politically to the left. It didn't make sense you're gonna
end up settling on Biden, who probably would have won
last time around, and I don't know if he'll win
this time around, which is kind of where Tom Brady is.
The Chargers sounds like a good idea to like, the
Charges really aren't popular in l A. And they need
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a mobile quarterback. He's more mobile, but not what they're
They're kind of okay, they're kind of already moved there more.
That's more ownership than management. The Raiders, No, they're not
close too much. You always end up coming back to
the most logical answer, which is for him to stay.
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I
saw this from Joe Burrow, and Joe Burrow hasn't always
said the right thing this offseason. Get ready for the draft.
Remember when he was asked about Cincinnati the first couple
of times, he was like, well, they have my process
and I have they have their process and I have
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my process, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Like, yeah, that's not even
close to the answer you're supposed to be giving. Here.
The correct answer is I would love to be the
number one pick from Ohio. The Bengals think that I'm
the best player on the board. That's amazing, which is
essentially what he finally said having a press conference at
the Combine. Now he doubled up on saying smart things
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with this one. He was asked about comparing himself to
Tom Brady in terms of style of quarterback, and he said, quote, please,
don't compare me to the best player of all time.
Let me do my own thing. Don't do that to me, please.
When he was told it's a compliment to be compared
to the out year old, said it is, but it's
Tom Brady, right, it is, But it's Tom Brady. And
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this is one of those I don't know if suddenly
now he's getting reprogrammed by his agent. Last Jordan Palmer
is going to join us. He what he's worked with
Joe Burrow here some in the offseason. I don't know
if it's it's getting programmed by his agent, but this
feels like a really, really, really smart quote as opposed
to some other guys who like to compare themselves to
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the Jordan's, to the Lebrons, to the Steph curries to
the You know, they want to be very careful on
walking into that trap. I it's one thing to idolize
the guy, it's another thing to be compared to your
idol And I think Joe Burrow has suddenly either been
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advised to or has figured out these are the right
things to say. What was the old Teddy Roosevelt? Walk
quietly and carry a big stick, right, That's a great quote.
Walk quietly and carry a big quote. That's what is
Walk quietly, carry a big quote. Because if you start
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boasting and bragging about what was it, Johnny Menzel, We're
gonna tear up this league. Like, hey, the league pretty good.
We've seen a lot of good quarterbacks, a lot of
Heisman Trophy winners. Dudes that come in and torn things
up and it's been wrecked. You left tackle gets hurt,
your wide receiver drops the ball, you're running back is
in a contract dispute. Your coach has a style that
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doesn't fit what you want to do, like all of
these things. Or you go through a tough patch. You know,
you tweak your back in training camp, you miss some time,
you're not sharp, you haven't worked with your wide receivers.
You know, you make a couple of bad reads like this.
That league, the good teams struggle to make the playoffs consistently. Well,
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the ray ms like, we can tell you all the
things they lost in the Super Bowl year. But here's
the team that was the best team in the league,
the best team in the NFC by a good amount.
As a healthy quarterback, relatively healthy Todd Gurley, healthy Aaron
Donald the entire season. Don't eight playoffs the next year,
same coach, same coordinators, couldn't take that next step. So
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I think this is if this is Joe Burrow finally
getting either some good advice or understanding. Hey, the Terry
Roosevelt was right, well, quietly carry a big stick. Please
don't compare me, ever, compare me to Tom Brady, even
if it's a compliment. It's a compliment that I it
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won't go over well. There's no way of reading Burrow
tom Brady comparison and it going over well when he
hasn't taken one single snap in the National Football League.
Whatever else he said, and he said some things that
are more silly and confident. And this wasn't even necessarily
self deprecating. This was elevating that of Brady. That's the
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way to handle it. If we get all at twenty
three years old like he He may be old for
these quarterbacks, but he's young in terms of the NFL
and the attention to every Remember he went three years
at Ohio State where nobody was asking for a quote,
Nobody cared. Now he's given us quotes that we care about.
This is a really good one. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Alright, let's welcome to
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He's Daniel Jeremiah moved the sticks to the podcast. NFL
Network is the network. You'll see him on the NFL Draft.
Just got back from the Combine. He does an amazing job.
He joins us every week in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Travio. Let's let's start with Tom Brady.
The combine is like the convention for the NFL. General
consensus is Tom Brady plays. Where it's all over the place,
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Doug Um. Everybody says they've heard all these things about
these different teams. But then when you the conversation inevitably
end the same way but he'll probably just end up
going back to New England, you know, like that's how
every conversation goes about Tom Brady. These three teams make sense.
I think you could totally go to Tennessee, you know,
I don't know. Maybe it's the you know, maybe it's
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the Chargers of the Raiders, or you know, the nine
and the Niners. Thing got cranked up there at the
end and then it always comes back to but well,
if you had to put money out, I'd still say
he goes back to New England. So if that's kind
of how all those conversations end, Philip rivers to Indie,
how likely I think it's the favorite. Uh, I would
say to put a percentage on it, I don't know,
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maybe it would be the would be the overwhelming favorite
for me. Does he still have it? I think so.
I think for I think for one to two year window, yeah,
I think you could. You know, you can get it
out of him. He just he needs to be protected.
He's more dependent on what's in front of him probably
than um just about anybody else in the league right
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now that would be starting that next year. But I
think provided the protection, I think he could he could
play a winning football. Let's let's uh, let's let's get
to the draft. Obviously, you'll be on the dais on
the desk for the NFL Network for the upcoming NFL Draft,
which is live in Las Vegas. Moved the sticks as
the podcast. Daniel Jeremiah joins us on the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Why the Why the one
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eighty from Burrow? It wasn't a complete one eighty, but
there was the floated hey, he may may pull an Eli,
Hey he doesn't. And then now he's all in on
on the Bengals if they draft me. I'm I'm not
gonna miss I'm showing up. Why the change? Well, I
think he was still kind of in the fact finding,
uh phase when he got asked the question the first time,
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and then I still don't think it was a full
I want to be a Cincinnati Bengal. I want to
be the first pick by the Bengals. It was all
go wherever I'm picked, you know, as a little not
quite as not as an enthusiastic endorsement. But I just said,
it's such a long shot to be able to to
pull something like that off. Um, So you know, I
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just I think when it's all said and done, he
ends up being the first pick, and if you gave
him truth there, maybe that wouldn't be his his ideal
choice of organization. But he's, uh, he's gonna be that pick,
and I think he's gonna end up embracing it, and
I think it's the it's the right move for the Bengals.
Um is it the right move with Bengals? Like if
if Miami loves Joe Burrow and they say, you know, like,
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tell us what it's gonna take. Is there a trade,
a realistic trade scenario you'd make if you were the Bengals. No, No,
I don't trade off of I don't trade off of
the best quarterback if I really like him, and uh,
you haven't need of the position. How many teams have
we seen go wandering in the wilderness, you know, for
fift twenty years trying to find their quarterback. You've got
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a chance with the first overall pick to get the guy.
I think he's a really good player. Uh, I don't.
I don't trade off that hand size. He joked about it.
I think you did as well. On social media. There's
some arm strength questions as well. He's playing out doors
in bad weather? Are those the two areas for concern?
If if you are both eyes open about Joe Burrows
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a prospect. Yeah, I mean the hand sizesn't doesn't bother me. Um,
it's it's at the acceptable threshold. We always talked about
being below nine. It was like, okay, let's see where
it is. Uh, you know, is there any impact of it?
So nine while it's not you know, it's not the
ideal big huge hands you're looking for. There's you know,
if Mahomes is nine and a core, I just don't.
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I don't think that core of an inches is that
big of a deal. So there's no issues with fumbling
when you watch him holding onto the ball. A kid
grew up in Ohio, you know, he didn't grow up
and you know on the West Coast, never been in
any kind of weather. So that to me doesn't bother me. Now,
does he have a huge arm? No. I mean that's
and you're gonna have um inside that division. I would
say you're gonna have two or three games a year.
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I mean, I think some people think you play in Cincinnati,
you played ten games in the snow every year, and
that you're gonna have one, two or three games where
you're gonna have a really windy, you know, tough conditions.
But the way he plays is he's not gonna he's
not gonna aggressively throw the ball outside the hash and
down the field. That's not you're gonna you're gonna empty
out the formation. You're gonna get four and five guys
out in the route, and he's gonna pick you apart
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ten yards at a time. That's that's the way he plays. Uh.
It's the Doug Outli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel
Jeremiah is our guest. Okay, so number two is likely
Chase Young. We think Chase Young and Nick Bosa compare
and contrast. Yeah, I mean obviously the size, uh Young
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gives you the size. I think Young has a little
bit better get off, um, but I would say Nick
I had to higher a little bit higher grade on Nick.
Nick is the best power leverage rusher that I've ever evaluated.
You know, he's got such power in his lower half
and guys just can't anchor him. He just goes right
through him. So that's his like superpower for lack of
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a better phrase. And Chase, Chase is longer a little
bit better get off. They're both fantastic. Um, I think
Chase is a little bit tight. If you're gonna nitpick him,
he's just a little bit tighten the hips. But uh,
but he's you know, he's a special They're they're special,
special players that when you put the bosses up there
just pre draft grade. I haven't nick Chase Joey based
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off of pre draft grades. But again, we've seen what
both bosses have already done. This kid's right in that class. Alright.
So so if you're Washington, it looks like they'll go quarterback,
Go go Chase Young. But if you were them, would
you go quarterback? If if Toa was healthy, it would
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be a legitimate it would be a legitimate question, and
I would. I would probably be emboldened to to go
deep into that discussion with two healthy he's not healthy,
and the fact that you have a premier player at
the second most important position, Um I would. I would
extend my look at that Dwayne Hasky and and see
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what he does going forward. I have a higher grade
on ta than I had on Haskins coming out. So
that's why I say, you know, you have to have
that discussion. But I think the injury kind of muddies
the water a little bit. And uh, and I would
go ahead and taken a lead edge rusher, which to
me is the second most important thing you need to
build a team with. Who do you think the Dolphins
want a quarterback? I'm not so sure that it isn't Herbert,
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you know, um and and it's you know, I've I've
talked to some folks that have good contacts inside that
group and have good relationships there, and I say, look,
they really do like Herbert. Now I don't know in
context is that comparing him with Tour or if they
like him over to a or what that is. But um,
I'm anxious to see if if they like both of them, right, say,
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it doesn't matter who you have over, but if you have,
if you really like to and you really like Herbert,
there's no motivation for them to get up, you know,
from from five to three. They can sit there, let
the Chargers pay the price to go up ahead of them,
to go get to AH and then they would be
fine with Herbert. I mean that that wouldn't shock me
if if that's what ended up happening. Danna Jeremiah joining
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us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
I agree, it does. It feels like they're at five,
but they end up at three, don't they. Yeah, I
don't know. I just again, I think it comes down
to whether they're comfortable with both of those guys. They
have a ton of needs. Man, when you trade as
many players that they have, it's nice to have all
these picks, but they have a ton of needs. So
if they think it's close with two and Herbert, I
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don't see them trading the farm to go up to three.
I think they could sit there and say we'll be
fine with either one. Um to me, to it makes
a lot more sense for the Chargers than Herbert does
for the Chargers. So that's why to me, I can
see the motivation on their part to try and get
up there and get them. Yeah. I mean so that
that was my next question, obviously for people who know
locally in Los Angeles, DJ And in addition to all
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his other jobs, he's the color analyst for the Chargers
radio network. To Rod Taylor and to that that is,
do you think that's their plan? That? That to me
makes the most sense if you're trying to, you know,
win football games, right, now, but then have your guy
for the long haul in. Um, I just think that
to Ah. I think to A has a chance to
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really get everything energized in the whole, in the whole organization.
You know, he's he has capability of doing that. And
I think with the weapons they have there, um, I
think he'd fit in very well. Who are you most
disappointed by based upon their performance of the combine? Um? Gosh,
that's a great one. Uh. I mean I wouldn't you
know Eponessa I thought would run better from Iowa, the
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edge rusher. He ran five oh five. Um, so he's
got to clean that up at his pro day. But
he's such a good player on tape, I don't think
it would kill him. The probably the one who hurt
himself the most. He wasn't in my top fifty. But
Cameron Danceler is a corner from Mississippi State. Some people
thought it had a chance to go in the first round. Um,
I thought that was a little bit rich for me.
But he uh he ran four six five, which is
(24:56):
a killer for a corner, so uh that that one
hurt him a little bit. Whoo who impressed you the most?
There's a good group man uh gosh. And a guy
like Denzel Mims, the receiver from Baylor. Um, he had
a great senior Bowl. He went out, ran four three eight.
He was phenomenal. Um. There's a kid. There's a linebacker
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from Mississippi State, Willie Gay, who had some academic issues,
got suspended for eight games. Um. It didn't start a
game this year. But when you watch him, he jumps
off the tape. He was a five star kid, big
time recruit and all that, but he just he had
gotten in some trouble. So you watch the tape, you
get excited about him. I don't know what the what
the issues are. Um. So he goes to the combine,
(25:40):
He torches the combine and he ran like in the
four fours. He broad jumped over eleven feet. He had
a phenomenal field workout. And when I talked to teams,
they said they met with him and he not He's
not a bad kid. He had some academic issues. You know,
he was not you know, doing anything illegal, wasn't failing tests.
There was nothing like that, uh you know, dre testinar anything.
So it was just purely an academic issue. And teams
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seem to be okay with him. So when you can
clean up some of the off the field stuff and
then torch the workout like he did, he's going to
go up in a big way. Yeah, pretty amazing. Um,
last thing, DJ Danna Jeremy, you've you've done this draft stuff,
not just fl Network but for for years. Um what what?
What is more surprising Mariota being people likely be a backup.
(26:26):
Some people think Chicago or Josh Rosen, Like, I don't
know where Josh Rosen ends up, but you talked about
star falling kind of super super quickly. Which is more surprising.
I would say probably Rosen. And I know, you know
the knocks on Josh personality wise and all that, But
he was such a gifted thrower, I thought, okay, he'll
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you know, he maybe nobody, We won't have guys lined
up to be his his best buddy, you know. But
he's so gifted as a thrower that you know he'll
figure it out, somebody will get it out of him.
So for him potentially to be on his third team
in three years, uh, coming right into the league, and
I don't know who could have predicted that. Nope, I
do not either. Daniel Jeremiah is a great job download
(27:07):
to Move the Sticks podcast. Listen to him weekly here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show, or watch him on the
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s R to listen live. You can check out QB
(27:28):
Summit dot com. That's where a bunch of quarterbacks get
together and a quarterback stuff. I'm kid and Jordan Palmer's
former NFL quarterback uh in his own right of course,
his brother Carston Palmer's former star NFL quarterback in his
own right. He Jordan's a quarterback expert, works with guys
all year long, and he joins us year on the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, the
(27:49):
Quarterback Summit, I believe as it already occurred, is it
gonna occur? What's the Quarterback Summit? Well, it's just a
gathering of guys that kind of all ages. Right now,
it's draft training and felt vets uh. And then I
just literally starting this Saturday, I have one day camps
at three day camp, so I worked with kids throughout
the course of the year from ten years old to
nine year vets have a have a I have a
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ten year old. I have a ten year old. I'm
down the street from where you are. Where's where? Where?
Where do I get to tow do I get to
ten year old with you? Let's go send them on down,
give me something dot Com send him to me. I
love to. Actually, it's funny. I know I'm getting older
because I've got a lot of former teammates who are
now sending their kids to me. Some of them are
in college. So I'm at that point in my career
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where guys I used to play with kids are now coming,
including my brother Jordan Palmer joining us in the Doug
Out Lip Show. You've had these workouts though, going these
these draft workouts going, and I was told Burrow has
been a part of it. Donald, Kyle Allen, Um, I
mean Josh Allen as well, uh stid him and Jordan's
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love right, those are the guys that have been out there. Yeah,
so I've got draft classes this year. Usually, you know,
worked with three to four guys, and that's been the
case also Stephen Montes and Cole McDonald um. As you're preparing, uh,
had my last day with Stephen Montes today as he
heads back to Colorado as Pro Days next week. But
then I've had Vets here for the last couple of months,
So yeah, some of those guys and a handful of
others UM, some of them starters, some of them backups,
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trying to take a step, and uh really like some
it's more just a community. I mean, it's we tonight
we have Wednesday Night film Night where we're picking a theme.
I think tonight is red Zone from the ten of
the twenty, and we're watching the top five quarterbacks in
the league statistically in that specific category, and we're all
getting together and watching tape, trading some great conversation and
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everybody kind of taking a step. So it's really more
of a community, and it's been awesome. I've got a
couple of different groups that throw each day. They usually overlap,
so there's usually some Vets, some draft guys UM, and
I've got you know, college kid bo Nix from Auburn
flying in tomorrow night for the weekend. So there's always
just kind of all ages, guys always helping each other,
and it's been fun because this is some of the
(29:58):
best young quarterbacks in football. Yeah, and uh, and you go,
I'm actually on the side keb summit dot com to
learn more about it. Um. Okay, so Burrow, Uh, the
the one of the things I've heard from people who
have seen him throw is a little underwhelming in terms
of the arm strength. Your brother played in Cincinnati, You've
played outdoors in the NFL. I'm wondering how big an
(30:21):
issue you think that is, considering all the games in
their division are outdoors and at least a portion of
the time in crummy weather. Yeah, you know, I think
arm strength is one of those things that it's it's uh,
it's so fun to talk about and it's so exciting,
and you can have a casual fan who doesn't know
much about the position of the game and they can
form an entire opinion on a quarterback based around arm strength.
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But the reality is is it's kind of like hand size,
where you'd love to say that it's very relevant. The
problem is is that there's been a lot of guys
with small hands play well or heights. There's been just
really good short guys too rough breeze is really good.
Arm strength is another one of those things. There's just
a bunch of really good players that don't have the
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strongest arm I've ever seen. Um. I also think it's
a misconception. Um, Joe's spinning it as good as anybody. Um,
he can put a ton of ball, you know, a
ton of juice on the ball. But also this game
is about anticipation, accuracy, and timing and the combination of
those three elements. And uh, I mean he did it
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sixty times at least last year that resulted in touchdowns,
and did it at a high level. I don't see
it being an issue whatsoever. I think all these guys
they go from college and they go to the NFL,
and they've got to learn to play a lot of
different elements. And uh. And so there's a step at
all these guys. When Carson went to the Bengals, he
never he never played in the snow, He never played
in the below thirty five degrees. And so there is
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that period of time. Same with Sam Donald. He's playing
in New York. Now. The only time, the first one
of the first time Sam ever threw in the rain
was on his protect um. And now he's in New York.
And so I think there's a phase that all these
guys have to go through Jordan Palmer, I guess in
the dug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio, how
much should his age factor into our ability to evaluate him?
(32:12):
It's twenty three years old, far older than you know,
he's older than Sam darl right now. Um, how much
should we factor his age in terms of how close
he is to his ceiling because of his age? Gosh,
I didn't even realize that that's funny? Um, you know,
I think, Uh, two of the things that I look
at when I'm evaluating these top guys is maturity and confidence.
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On the maturity side, it's not tucking your shirt in
and saying yes sir and using manners. Maturity is really
how do guys handle big situations, whether that's a really
hard situation or a really awesome situation that could allow
them to kind of deviate their focus. And when I
look at the way that Joe handled the last couple
of months of going from relatively unknown to I mean,
(32:56):
damn near pandemonium, when this guy rolls around, it's crazy
to handle that type of life change. And and can't
honestly say that he's a guy that wants a bunch
of attention. He's not so it's not really awesome and
flattering like some people would think it is. For him
to handle that situation the way that he has um
and whether that's media, whether that's social media with us,
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personal interactions with people. I gotta think the age is
one part of it. But also he's just a mature,
well raised dude um and and so that is pretty
telling of how he's going to handle the highs and
lows of the NFL. I think that he'll just continue
to handle it. Uh, definitely on the upper end of
the scale when it comes to maturity. Jordan Palmer I
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guest and the Doug Otlers Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Jordan's loves a guy that NFL people know really well. Uh,
Draft people know really well. But I think the common
and and he's got a big arm and you know
you hear people say Pat mahomes Um struggled at times
this year. Give me if if I if if I
were to walk to your if I were to walk
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up to your workouts and see Jordan's love, what would
I see? Uh? Well, the arm, strength and in uh like,
the how effortless his stroke is are gonna jump out
right away. He's a guy that's really still developing one
body wise. You know, these guys are all two years old,
so they're they're still developing, getting stronger. UM. And when
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you get a talent playing at a middle to lesser
um you know, ranked school level school, you know Josh
Allen at Wyoming or Jordan Lovett at Utah State, UM,
you get the guys who are have a lot more
put on their plate than a guy at a big
time school. So a lot of times, you know Jordan's
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love for example, at Utah State, a lot of the
answers that Utah State is supposed to have is uh,
I don't know, you're a first round pick. Makeup play,
not literally that they said that or that that he
was put in those situations. But that's kind of what
happens over the course of the year is you've got
a player that's better than everybody. So the expectations is
that that guy is gonna make plays. When they do,
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they usually throw a lot of touchdowns and throw a
lot of picks um. And so if you really actually
go through Pat Mahomes is another perfect example. A lot
of touchdowns a lot of picks in college because so
much is on their plate versus a Joe Burrow, who
had a prolific season. But you look around that huddle
and there's some dudes in that hole. And so Jordan,
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I think the arm strength is gonna jump out to you.
The size and how he looks. Uh, he wins people
over right away too. He's just a cool dude. Fans
don't realize that a lot of times. That's very relevant,
being a cool dude that people want to be around.
Um and then uh, it's misleading his stats in terms
of projecting him moving forward. And that's why I think
NFL teams uh and scouts and and personnel guys know
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him and are are able to shake off some of
the negatives on Jordan's love because it was more specific
and due to the situation and circumstances he was in
more so than how he projects moving into the league.
Doug Otlie Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
that's the force of of of Jordan Palmer. All Right,
Compare and contrast uh, the potential there with guys like
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toa who is coming off an injury. Everyone is squared
how accurate he is? How would you compare those two
guys well to his injuries? Is really kind of its
own thing that I'm not in a position to evaluate
how he's gonna handle coming out of that um, but
certainly there's a lot of smart medical people that will
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come to some conclusions on that. So really my opinions
on on tour are just assuming that he's fine, right,
assuming that no issues with the hip or or anything
else moving forward. I think, uh, and I think I've
said this to you before, Really the future of this
game for quarterbacks is the quarterbacks ability to create time
and space. And sometimes that's a subtle movement in the pocket,
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and sometimes that's making a bunch of people miss and
doing something awesome like my Homes and Josh Allen and
some of these guys and Russell Wilson um. And so
if that's the future of the game, then you got it.
I think really the age of the big, tall guy
who's got a strong arm and can't move, I just
think those days are done. And so a guy like
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to of becomes really interesting because it's not just that
he's really quick, it's that he moved and reorganizes or
resets or gathers himself just really really efficiently and really consistently. Well,
that translates more so than being tall or having a
bigger arm or being really fast. That stuff translates. And
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so when I look at too, I look at a
guy who, uh can probably play well early because of
his ability to improvise and create time and space in
the pocket and give himself you know, quality um quality
throwing attempts with not having a bunch of people around him.
Jordan Palmer joining us in the dugout leaps you on
Fox Sport Trading. Yeah. The I've talked to a couple
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of NFL people and they've said one gentle manager was like, yeah, look,
we like him. But one of the reasons he's gotten
hurt is because he's got hit. One reason he's gotten
hit is he's not necessarily as athletic as I think
people would think a smaller quarterback is. Is that fair?
I don't know. I think the guy moves pretty dard good. Um.
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And again, this is not about a forty time um.
I just don't really care about that. No, it's more
about it's about pocket elusiveness, right, pocket mobility. And but
those injuries have been people at his feet? Are people
tracking him down a little bit? Yeah? And and I
look at it like this, it's really similar to great
jump shooters. Okay, so you look at a guy like
Clay Thompson, and one of the reasons that there's kind
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of two things I think that make a great jump
shooter is one, somebody who has a consistent shot. But
the second part of it is somebody who gets to
that shot consistently, doesn't put themselves, creates enough space at
the end, gets to a consistent spine angle. They're not
fading away at a different angle every single time. And
so a lot of it is creating great shots, right,
great attempts. I think quarterbacks the same way. And so
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if you can reorganize and get yourself back with you,
you know, the terminal terminology I would use is get
yourself reorganized, but all my cleats in the ground consistently
with the same base. When you can move, stop flip
your hips and do that consistently over and over again,
I just think you're gonna end up having better attempts
more often. And so, yeah, I think too of got
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hit a lot, but I don't know that it's him
putting himself in bad situations as much as it he's
trying to make a play. Uh. And as you continue
to play more. That's you know, It's just you can't
rep pocket presence and practice. You have to play a
lot of games and get better at that. I just
think it's something he's going to continue to get better
and better at, much like Deshaun Watson has done, much
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like Josh Allen has done. Not taking bad hits this
these reps only come up in games. Uh, And I
just think it's time goes by with two it He's
going to continue to improve on that. What do you
think of Justin Herbert? Um? I think Justin is a guy. Um,
you know, he's just been so talked about for so long.
And the impressive thing is he's really kind of stayed
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away from everything in college. He didn't put himself out
there a bunch you know, media and going all these camps,
and he just seems to me to be like a
quiet worker, you know. And and uh, it's been around
him enough to know he's a humble dude, and just
this last couple of years was just focused on his team,
wasn't worried about anything individually. Um. But I do think
when you get to the NFL um you know, being
(40:25):
a vocal leader and dominating the room, those are things
that actually become relevant. Um. And so I'm interested to
see he's been in a comfort zone. He's been you know,
born and raised from what I know, and Eugene played
high school, played college, grew up an Oregon Duck fan
and all that. I am interested to see when you
get out of that bubble and you go to a
new team, UM kind of like to have left the
island and moved to the South and handled it well.
(40:50):
I'm interested to see Justin make that transition. And uh,
and you know, my assumption is that he's gonna do
a great job at it. Awesome stuff. Jordan Palmer chick
out QB Summit dot Um. That's QB summit dot com. Jordan,
thanks so much for joining us. Incredible perspective on the
position that everyone talks about. Thanks again, Thanks Doug.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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