July 6, 2020 • 52 mins
Doug reacts to Patrick Mahomes' new MASSIVE contract extension and wonders if it's possible to over pay for a quarterback as talented as Mahomes. He also wonders if Colin Kaepernick will ever play in the NFL again after his latest social media post about the 4th of July. Plus, Fox Sports Radio host Rob Parker joins the show to debate Mahomes' new contract and if he's worth all that money.
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We hope you had a a fantastic, fantastic holiday weekend.
Your weekend is not nearly as good as Pat mahomes weekend.
Oh boy, so um I I did on some level.
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I want to get to this tweet, but instead we'll
get to a different tweet. Adam Schefter, the Chiefs and
their quarterback Pat Mahomes have reached an agreement on a
ten year deal from Adam Schefter. The contract extension ties
in New Kansas City through the two thousand thirty one season.
League sources tell ESPN. So the I guess the question
is going to be how much money is it? How
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much money is it? What do you think music, how
much money do you think it is? What is the
what is the final what is the final tally? Right?
Because the the guess is that it's it's all about
average per year, right, salary per year, and you know,
you're thinking somewhere in the what mid thirties, mid to
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upper thirties, and the question becomes how long is the
contract versus how long is the contract guaranteed? Where is
the real money? And it's it's an interesting tweet, as uh,
we're trying to figure it out and chapter has it
not really a surprise. There was some talk about this
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deal not being reached until the end of next season.
Obviously the Chiefs think otherwise now, and what you get
is not just the best young quarterback in football, but
you get cost certainty for all these times, which is
fascinating because we have so much uncertainty in terms of
what the cap is going to look like in future years. So, uh, Music,
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what do you think what do you think the average
per year total is? I would guess that it looks
like it's forty but is really closer to thirty five
thirty six, that is my guess, and um, I think
that's gonna be a really interesting one. So whatever you're
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however you handled, however you handled your your with July,
it seems like Pat Mahomes feels had a better one, right.
It's like, man, that's like your fireworks show. Yeah, we
had a couple of sprinklers out in the yard and
then somebody next to you launches some big grenade that
explodes in the air, and the entire neighborhood is around. Bye,
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what are you? What are you guessing here on on total?
On total? I probably I think on average, I don't
even know on on total, but I think on an
average it will be around uh thirty eight and a
half a million dollars will be the number. I'll say,
So look over ten years, that will look like three
million dollars. You and I know, and I think most
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people know, but that's not really how much money it is, right,
But it will look like so you're saying three eighty
on average, well I just mean and a half. Yeah,
Because I think it's gonna because Russell Wilson, I believe,
was the highest annual at thirty five million, and so
I think it's going to be significantly and I think
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three million dollars gap is significant considering there's about five
quarterbacks with then that two million, thirty three to thirty
five million dollars. I think it's going to be Um, yeah,
that that significant gap, and then Dak Prescott's deal should
be at least figured out. Then if this number is said, yes,
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on the other hand, completely separate topic. But no, no,
it's not actually separate topic. You're actually right, right, So,
and for people don't know, Dan has his Sunday show,
you hear him throughout the week here on Fox Sports Radio.
You're right though, because what happens is now you're like, well,
Dak Prescott, he's you know, he's signed for the franchise tag.
It was a thirty three million I think this year.
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But which is the average of the okay, is the
taverage of the top five salaries. But ultimately he'll want
to be you know that the big quest was to
be the highest paid guy, and I don't think there's
any way the Cowboys can make him the high spa
guy if it goes to three and a half million
or three million more than the highest paid guy, which
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is Russell Wilson, which by the way, wasn't just signed
this last week, right, It's not like but that's that
is sort of resetting the market. But I don't think
it truthfully resets Dak Prescott's market, because no one I
know thinks Dak Prescott is in Patrick Mahomes league. The
interesting part is going to be what do they how
do they arrange the money? And the guess is that
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a substantial chunk of the money, like, let's see what
their cap situation is this year, can they pay him
some this year? But when the new TV money comes in,
that's when you'll see a bunch of his money go
on the salary cap. You can't hide it forever, although
you can't kick it down the road. Why do you
do a tenure deal? Well, some so that you spread
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out the money, some so that you make it look
like it's a whole lot more money than this, but
also so that the chiefs basically will maintain Pat Mahomes
rights for up to ten years. Now, if you ever
wants to renegotiate, because there's non guaranteed parts of his deal,
he could sit out, but he will be under contract
with the Chiefs basically forever, which I would say is
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a good thing, but you have to sign away something else.
All right, we'll get you some of those dollar figures
in a second. That's one of those deals where no
one disagrees. The question becomes, can the Chiefs continue to
put pieces around him, not just on offense but also
on defense. Considering the bill for Pat Mahomes is going
to go up substantially, likely starting next not this next year,
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the contract extension looks like now they tear it up,
they give him a bunch of money up front that
that will tell you where they are with their cap
in terms of their spending, and are they done for
the year. Are they were reworking anybody else's deal? So
tenure deal Pat Mahomes probably looks like three four million dollars.
The question is, as Dan Buyer pointed out, what is
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the average per year and what is the real real money?
And that we just don't know. Let me get to
what was the story of the day before Pat Mahomes
got a deal, And that's the President tweeting at at Bubba.
So look, this has happened before in sports, and I
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do think Bubba Wallace, of course uh, the only black
driver who's a regular on the NASCAR circuit. All right,
he chose a very very simple retort instead of going
right back at the president. The President tweeted, has bub
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Bubba Wallace apologized to all those great NASCAR drivers and
officials who came to his aid, stood by his side,
and we're willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to
find out the whole thing was just a hoax. That
and flag decision has caused lowest ratings ever. Bubba Wallace
tweets out to the next generation, the little ones following
my footsteps, loved wins. Your words and actions will always
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be held to a high standard than others. You have
to be prepared for that. You don't learn these things
in school. You learned these things from trials and tribulations,
the ups and downs the crazy world provides. You always
have people testing you, seeing if they can knock you
off your pedestal. I encourage you to keep your head
high and walk proudly on the path you have chosen.
Never let anybody tell you you can't do something. God
put us here for a reason. Find out that reason
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to be proud of it. Work your tails off every
day towards it. All the haters are doing is elevating
your voice and platform too much greater heights. It's perfect
because what it does is it's retort, but it doesn't
answer him directly, doesn't respond to him directly, and that's
not needed. I think this is just me thinking out loud,
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all right. I believe and I've told you, like we
when we followed the Bubba Wallace thing, we were on
there when there was the procession in the pit and
he took that picture, and I mentioned how emotional it
was and how galvanizing it seemed to be. And then
when I we looked further into the story, we said,
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something doesn't really make sense or feel right about this story.
And then Bubba got defensive when people called it a hoax.
And you have to understand what a hoax is. A
hoax is something with the intent to deceive. Look, I
don't believe that that the rope pull or noose was
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meant for Bubba. I think it was there before. It
may have been a joke, it may have been just
used as a really good slip knot. I have no
idea because it was there for almost a year that
that's not my point it wasn't. No one believes, or
at least Nascar. The FBI that sent you know, over
a dozen investigators, doesn't believe it was meant for him.
I'll take the word for it. It doesn't stop that
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from being a galvanizing moment. Bubba didn't look great when
he did a couple of interviews the night of and
even with Dan Patrick uh the morning before. We we
we found at the FBI statement which was you know,
a day removed from it, But that didn't stop it
from being really emotional and showing how NASCAR is united
to kind of rid themselves of some not most, some
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of the evils of the past, which is great. It's
just a it's a classic misunderstanding and a bit of
an overreaction by Bubba. But there was never I didn't
feel like there was any calling out of any specific
group or even of the president. Now he's doing this
is by par for the course. By the way, this
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was a by his estimation, a a winner when he
trolled the NFL three or four years ago. It's not
a winner now. It's just not do I think to
his base it is, yeah, but that base appears to
be shrinking, and we're just in this weird place where
it feels like he's going with his old playbook, and
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that old playbook is with instead of going right back
at him, just kind of ignoring him. Yep, yep, this
is what happens. There will be people who challenge you. Look,
Bubba took a bit of a victory lap, but he didn't,
you know, I think he enjoyed the attention a little bit.
I think he enjoyed being the guy that stood up
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for himself and for his race. And I don't see
that as a horrible thing. I don't see that with
evil intentions. And as much as I do believe there
was an overreaction to the initially to the rope, I
don't believe it was a hoax because the hoaxes with
the intent to deceive, and I don't think it's the
intent with this seaf Nobody has actually accused that of happening,
with the exception of the President and some conspiracy theorists.
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I mean, look, the President United States. He he did
the thing with the birth certificate. He's done these tweets
before with sports leagues. This is how he believes he
came to power, Whether not sure or not, that's what
he believes, and in the past, everybody's rushed to it
and rush to whoever he tweeted at, and it has
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been a back and forth. And because he's the president,
ultimately he had the support of enough people even the
NFL would back down from it. I think those days
are gone. I think cut up. Next. Cam Newton is tired.
Not tired of working out, not tired of success. Um,
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he's tired of being humble. Has he ever really been humbled?
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Patriots had themselves a new quarterback. His name's Cam Newton.
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Rob Parker is going to join us, of course, odd
couple inside the Parker West Kim about baseball. Also, I
think there's a good Kaepernick discussion to be had. Um,
Patriots new quarterback who posts on Instagram video himself working
out shirtless, proclaiming I'm getting tired of being humble. Now, Okay,
this one I don't really get. When When was that moment? When?
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When was that moment like, I'm getting tired of being humble?
What when when were you humble? You know? Which is Look,
it's fine, I mean, but let's just not act like uh,
let's let's not act like this dude is actually humble
in any way. So I think I understand that Cam
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Newton is, you know, is only can only be himself, right,
That's that's all he can be. All he can be
is himself and nobody else. And so, um, I look
at it and think this is totally on brand for him.
You know, he's a bit he's he is a very
very confident dude. Rightfully. So he's had a marvelous career,
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but he hasn't in any way been humbled yet. And
so the idea of I'm getting tired of being humbled
is kind of comical to those of us paying attention,
kind of comical. Let's get you to Dan Buyer and
find out what else is going on to be what
he got, Doug. Still no numbers associated with the amount
of the contract that Patrick Mahomes could get espns Adam Schefter,
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Uh the first one with this that Mahomes of the
Chiefs have agreed on a tenure extension that would keep
him under contract through the one season. As part of
that extension, it would be added onto the two years
remaining on his rookie deal, so when all Patrick Mahomes
would be under contract with the Chiefs for the next
twelve seasons. NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace responding to a tweet
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from President Trump today by saying quotes, always deal with
the hate being thrown at you with love. Love over
hate every day, even when it's hate from the President
of the United States eights. Major League Baseball says some
of the results of COVID nineteen tests were delayed because
of the holiday weekend, and they don't see it being
an issue in the future. The Nationals, Astros, and Cubs
are just some of the teams dealing with delays in
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tests for their players. Texas Rangers slugger Joey Gallo tested
positive for COVID nineteen, while Brave soft fielder Nick Markakis
says he won't play in twenty after having a conversation
with teammate Freddie Freeman, who was ill and exhibiting symptoms
after he tested positive for coronavirus. PGA Tours changed course
and will no longer allow fans to attend next week's
Memorial Tournament in Dublin, Ohio. Doug back to you. Of course,
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that's a tournament that Tiger Woods is performed incredibly well in.
When more on golf up coming with our end, Dan Buyer,
let's welcome in. Rob Parker joins us. Of course, The
Odd Couple is the radio show. You can see them
on all our shows on Fox Sports one and uh,
you can check out Inside the Parker that is his
baseball only podcast. Let's let's start with the news of
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the moment, which is Pat Mahomes. Is there a number
which is too high? Uh for the Chiefs to sign
Pat Mahomes too? No? Uh? And how you doing, Doug.
I guess whatever, You're only worth what someone's willing to
pay you. I've always said this, So whatever they think
he's worth, Uh, then that's what the number is. There
is no right number. People. I always laugh at people
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who always talk about how much money and all this
other stuff. You know this, if you can get somebody,
I mean people in Hollywood have gotten them to pay
them twenty or thirty million dollars a picture to work
for three months and make a movie. And people are
cool with that. But if an athlete cashes out and
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somebody wants to pay them with all the you know,
gobs of television money and all the other stuff that's
out there, more power to them. I don't think anybody
is is no one will be bothered with them, however
much money Pat Mahomes gets. I think the only issue
running you run into is what is the limit uh
to which you can pay a guy and will put
the type of roster that they've had around? Right, Like
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Chris Jones wants a new contract, Um, you know that
he's got Tyreek Hill on a discount deal because of
the nonsense Tyreek Hill has been involved in off the
football field. But you know they're there. There are always
you know, he's gonna have to continue to build the
offensive line, the defense. He's great, but he was under
a rookie deal. Now when he's making mid thirties a
mid upper thirties, you know, can they sustain all the
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other players around him? That's really the only question terms
of limitations. That's not his issue. And I don't know
why people worry about that. The Kansas City Chiefs hadn't
won a Super Bowl one in fifty years or whatever,
it was hadn't hadn't won a championship, so they won one.
He's already gotten him one and if they can somehow
win another one or maybe three, Doug didn't. No matter
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what it is, it's worth it. Look at all the
organizations who have paid people like the Detroit Lions and
Matthew Stafford who haven't even won a playoff game in
a decade eleven years. Those are the people people should
be worried about, uh eating up the cap space because
they don't win anything. Uh, Kansas City, They've already won
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whatever they get after this. I'm sure they rewarded the
guy and they feel like, you know, no matter what
it is as far as taken away from other people
or whatever, it's just the nature of the business. And
that's for the people upstairs to figure out and get
lucky and work some other deals and have people take
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less money or whatever it is. But I believe in
getting every dime that you're entitled to or your market value.
I don't believe in giving hometown discounts, worrying about the
cap and the general manager and the owner. Because we
we see in time, we saw in New England Tom
Brady kept taking all these hometown discounts and pay cuts,
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and all everybody ever said was they never got him
any other star players or any other great players on
offense to help them. So was the point on taking cuts?
They won, They won games because he had a great
team around him. No, but I'm talking about last year
and all the years when they claim he didn't have anybody.
I'm saying, I don't believe in that dog that That
to me is the that's what a team to figure out.
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That's and the team can figure out what's the limit
we can pay you and still putting guys around that.
There's a certain math to it. You can't just give
a guy a blank check and go, hey, write it out,
we're good whatever. I that's not the way it works.
Something way that way he works in any business, don't business.
You had to believe in it. That's the way I mean.
But but there are they are gonna, they are gonna
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pay him. But like, look, there's a reality to It's like, look,
you can't but you're talking about you're talking about other
things that you can't control. All this guy wants to
get paid. That guy that's gonna happen right now. I
have the best quarterback in the NFL. Correct, he won
me a super Bowl, He's won an m v P.
I'm gonna I'm gonna pay him. So what's the I
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didn't I didn't say you don't pay him. There's just
there's a there's a limit there, right, and you gotta
figure out, like, what's the limit? Can we put a
team around him? And look at all the guys who
the guys are the top earners, the guy with the
biggest salary cap number in the NFL the last ten years,
eight of them haven't made the playoffs. Why because it's
really hard to put a team around them. That's what
it is. It's just hard. There's a there's a hard
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number with the cap they'd love to give, you know.
I mean it's like any business like we you know,
there's a reason that Colin and Skip make what they make.
You can't pay everybody those numbers because the company has
to make money as well, so you have they want
to make money. There's but there's also uh, you know,
there's there's also basically a revenue split with the players,
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and you have to figure out that within that salary
cap structure, how much can we pay you and still
give you other weapons. Like look, one of the reasons
they were he was able to win a Super Bowl.
Is he great? Yes? Sure, okay, but he also he
Sammy Watkins was his fourth best wide receiver. We think
Travis Kelsey is not gonna wanna get paid. He got
Tyreek Hill. They only got Tarrekill on the discount because
of the domestic violence stuff, right. I mean they were
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able to go out and get do hugs and and
acquire defensive talent as well as solid offensive line. It
is more than no one has ever wanted by themselves.
And you can say Tom, like what did Tom Brady get?
He got nine super Bowls? He didn't fix But but
I'm just saying my point is people gms make bad
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decisions with the money. I'm not leaving it in the
hands of giving up extra giving up money for somebody
to spend. There's been plenty of teams that have gone
out and spend money dug and they don't win or
they signed the wrong people. So my point is that
doesn't automatically mean because you leave money for other people
that you're going to win anything. That's my point. It
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gives you. But but as their gentlemanager, good John, I'm
just talking about it. They have a good team. Did
they fix it? I understand, but did they fix their defense?
But I'm just saying it ain't a guarantee because you
give up money, will you take less? So I'm just
not in that camp and I'll never buy into it.
The salary cap is a phony number made up by
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owners to limit the amount of money it is. You're
talking it's a free market system. No, it's not a
free market it's not you have a union's market system.
It's not if you have a union. A union does
not make it when you collectively bargain in agreement. It's
not a free market system anymore. You're speaking about something
that is not accurate, a free call. Players they don't
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get whatever they don't get. They don't get whatever they
because because what is the difference? Dog they negotiated a
completely different deal where there's where there's a luxury text,
where there's where's the luxury text? So that doesn't about
people from getting paid top Do I understand? Okay, they
don't get paid number and the NBA's number a phony number.
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They are not How How did how did they come
to the math? How is the salary cap calculated. Okay,
in the nashvillevull dog. You don't have to do it
that way. You know what you do? You have an
open wanket system. The big are you are? You don't
get paid? How okay? Are you guess? Good? Okay? But
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here's the problem with that. Okay, that's pure capitalism. That's
what you want, right, all right, I'm not I'm not
parting words. You remember what happened when they had the
noncap year, the uncap year. Do you remember that? Do
you remember what happened? See, the thing about no salary
cap means there's not just no ceiling, there's no floor,
which is what happens in Major League Baseball. So these
guys don't make anything, nothing in comparison to some of
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the top earners. So you have the rich and you
have the poor, and you have very little in between.
And that's what a salary cap does, is it helps
fill in those those in between. They had a non
salary cap year in the NFL, and it was a
disaster for the players because that's exactly what happened. Pat
Mahomes get a bunch and everybody else would get nothing.
And that's the way it works in business. If you people,
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that's where most people live in this country, and you're okay,
and you're saying you're okay with that, you don't make
the same as Colin. That fox doesn't go to you.
They have a bud, yes, but if they want to
give you more money than me, they'll give it you
more money because they think you're worth more than I am.
All I'm saying is the reason that that stuff all
came into play is so that they don't drive the
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cost up because they're afraid that one rogue owner is
gonna come out and and sign people of these big
money and then they'll have to be able to justify
not paying other guys on that level. That's really what
it ain't about competitive balance any of that stuff. Look
at you're using baseball as an example, and you're and
you're you're walking right into it, okay, But the Miami
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Marlins have been doing this. We're they're not paying anybody
and they're collective basically like the Yankees. The Morlans have
won two championships in the last twenty years. I'll wait
and you can tell me how many of the Yankees
have one and how many the Detroit Tigers have won.
How many The Red Sox have one, and you could
go through baseball. Baseball's have more, had more. I'm not
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than any other sport. At the end, you have and
you have teams that only tank, but then they tank
financially and they just won't spend anything. And so that's
what the salary cap does. And when they didn't, when
they had a non salary cap year in the National
Football League, all these dudes thought, we're all gonna get paid.
It's an open market. And what happened. None of them
got paid because it represented by a union, and the
union says, hey, we're the greatest number of people that
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we have won, and that's the low end dudes to
get paid more money, so they sign up for that,
and it limits what the top owners make. But the
truth is that I think Pat Mahomes can get by
on thirty five thirty six kids, what he can get
by on that? That that whole nonsense about you think
he can get by on. It's about the industry, dog
and how much money has made that whole well, I
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don't know what the difference in between thirty seven and
thirty five. How can we can't take thirty It's generational world.
I don't understand what's the difference. What the difference is,
Go look at what the owners make. What do you mean?
I think the owners can make eight percent on their
money on their return and return the rest of the
money to the fans. How about that? How long would
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the league be open? Closed down for you or not? Rob?
You rob? You operate a business, okay? When what is
the percentage of return on your on your investment on
a yearly basis that you make? Okay? Okay? So if
you if somebody say you're making on your money, and
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somebody says, hey, why don't you make eight percent and
then give it back? How did you feel about that?
It depends on who's doing whatever. My point is this
whole notion that you're gonna sign off on what's good
enough for somebody else. I hate that talk. You can
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talk on the reality from unmasking you. Who would you
just say that he can't live on thirty seven because
it's the reality of its monopoly money. It's the same
thing when you talk about yes, it's the same thing.
Talk about ceo compensation. It's the same thing. A ceo
can make fifties, sixties, seventy million dollars. But what's the point, Like,
what what? What is the point? The point is for
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everybody to get paid as as much as humanly possible. God,
who made forty million dollars and make one tackle or
sell one ticket? Asked Roger Goodell, why does he make
forty million? Dog? I'll tell don't you tell him? I'll
tell you. Yeah, tell him. He's like me, tell you, Okay.
So before Roger Goodell, when he took over, they had
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at first they had the lawsuit, the concussion lawsuit. Right,
So this Doug Otlip show, Fox Sports Radio. Rob Parker's
my guest. He's a co host of The Odd Couple,
which airs at seven on the East Coast for on
the West Coast course season seem on Fox Sports one
and download the Inside the Parker podcast. Um. When when
he took over, they had the concussion lawsuit, the estimates
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from lawyers were that it's gonna cost two billion dollars
to settle that thing. They settled it for less than
one billion dollars. And the way to generate that was
they moved three teams raiders, rams chargers and with relocation fees,
that is roughly two point one billions seven fifty million
or so. You know, it's roughly two billion dollars. That's
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how they paid for it when none of the owners
having to come out of pocket, so they're forever indebted
to him. Additionally, Thursday Night Football wasn't around, so he
had Thursday Night Football. Uh. First network, I think with
CBS overpaid for it. Then they split it with NBC,
and then Fox came in after a couple of disappointing
years of CBS and and NBC, and Fox paid more money.
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None of that existed before Roger Goodell. Additionally, he's opened
up avenues to China, He's opened up avenues to play
more games overseas. In other words, he is helping them
make more money. And he continues to generate more and
more wealth for his team, for his owners, for his players.
And that's why he makes forty million dollars because that's
a drop in the bucket. Can't justify it because that
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doesn't matter who's running this league. The way it's set
up and the television deals have nothing to do with
Roger doesn't do it doesn't it doesn't. It's what it's
It's the number one television show for the last decade. Right,
So when you go there and you you don't see
what leaders leadership, leadership doesn't matter. It does matter, but
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it doesn't matter. Forty million dollars worth, that is not
that's way over compensation. He has life take hold on.
He's over he's overcompetent. Who are you to say he's overcompetent.
I'm telling you he's overcompetence. You who are you? Who
are you to say he's overcompensation. I'm the overcompensate to police.
So you just you just said, you just said, how
would you ever say you can live on that overcompensation?
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Everybody should get what it should get. I know what
you're saying is Pat Mahomes should get what he can get.
But the but the guy who helps run the league
and negotiate deals, which is which is worth ten times
what Pat Mahomes generates for the kand city chiefs shouldn't
get paid. Whatever. Whatever my point is, you can say
whether if you want to say Pat Mahomes is overpaid,
and then you repe I don't think you don't think
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there's no Listen, I want to make sure this is
clear up, this is clear. I don't think there's a
level to which I think he's the best young quarterback
in the league, and it's not really all that close.
I think, uh, there's others that may be as good
or better quarterbacks. But considering how long a career he's
gonna have and how his skill set fits what quarterbacks
are gonna look like, he's great. I have nothing would pay.
The problem is you have the limitations of working for
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somebody who's gonna want to make a profit. In addition
to the fact that as an employee, there's also a
salary cap because you're part of a union that's negotiated
the salary cap, and so you have to fill out
a team around you. You need fifty two other guys.
So you can't just take everything there. You gotta leave
something on the table. So, yes, it is your problem. Okay,
so listen, if you want to drop back and get
your ass kicked, every time you take a staff, you
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gotta leave some money for your offensive line. That's the
way it works out. That's the reality of the sport.
It's called the world's greatest team sport, not how much
can we pay Pat Mahomes. And that's what Matthew Stafford
did in Detroit when he became the highest paid player
in the NFL a couple of years ago. He's a
less on a downtrodden team that's won one playoff game
since nineteen fifty seven. Nobody asked Matthew Stafford to take less.
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He got what was on the table for the for
the quarterback whose time when he had come. And that's
my point, Doug, what what? Why have you asked Matthew
Stafford to return money? You're doing You're doing the Boston
rob I love you, but you're doing the Boston thing
right where everything everything goes back to Detroit, where you've
called home, human businesses, success radio, and nobody, nobody to
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the money. I'm right, I would say that to his money.
That's why. It's that's why. Who has been the most
successful Who has been the most successful quarterback for the
last twenty years in the NFL? Tom Brady? Okay, how
has he done? How's he done? Financially? He's made two
thirty million dollars or something of the salary. He's done
pretty well. He's also done really well because he hasn't
taken top dollar and it's allowed the team to be
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built around him. I got one last thing for you, Uh,
Kaepernick said, um, he had Um. He tweeted out a
video which James Riel Jones reading this incredible piece by H.
Frederick Douglas that was written in the eighteen fifties. But
Kaepernick said he won't celebrate the fourth July because it
celebrates white supremacy. Um, I'm not really, I'm not quoting
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it verbatim, but that's that. That is part of what
he said. Is he still hirable in the NFL? Absolutely,
because it's about football. They've hired felons, people who have
had vehicular homicide, guys who have raped women, guys who
have beat children. Yeah, he's hirable because those words are
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not nearly dug as damaging and as terrible as some
of the things that people have done who wear NFL uniforms,
who have been given second and third chances. Those people
are employed. His words and his beliefs are his alone.
There are people who have done worse, and and I
don't see why he can't play football and be a
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but did give praise to Tom Brady, saying he's been
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or not he's that great, which is is Rob's point. Tonight,
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Fox Sports Radio. How is your fourth of July? That's
(33:59):
a big question. UH. If you live in southern California
and Ramos and I talked about this off air byre,
I'm not sure if you experienced this you live in
we all have in different parts. Um, but there was
you know, all the fireworks displays, you know, the city
sponsored ones were canceled. But you know, maybe it's it's
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proximity to Mexico where they're easy to purchase. Because remember
most parts of California, the big ones that are illegal
but obtainable. Man, if fireworks being illegal and fired off
in southern California was like go into a fish concert
before weed was legal. It's like, all right, I mean
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it was really really a lot. I mean, I felt
like more fireworks on Saturday than any time I had
ever seen. But there's a there's a lot to get
to here. Um. Look, I think I believe that the
flag protest debate is in some ways similar to what
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I want to talk about with Colin Kaepernick. So Colin Kaepernick, who, Um,
of course, I mean, like I don't have to introduce
who he is? He guys, So he he tweeted out. Um,
black people have been dehumanized, brutalize, criminalized, and terrorized by
America for centuries and are expected to join your commemoration
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of independence while you enslaved our ancestors. We reject your
celebration of white supremacy and look forward to liberation for all. Now,
there's a bunch of different levels to this, Okay, the
idea though that the fourth of July is a celebration
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of white supremacy and look forward to liberation for all.
That's that that is promoting the idea that black people
are not free, which you know, Look, do I think
there's been quite obvious problem in terms of the reality
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of police brutality. Yes, I do. I think whatever level
of perceived and maybe real violence within our culture has
cranked up the real or perceived violence within our police department.
There's a belief that that's the way in which you
protect and serve, and violence with other violence creates more violence.
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And while the numbers of of unarmed black men was
actually I think two thousand, was actually nine people that
were that were killed, and obviously there's been several so
far this year. I I do have I have enough
black friends to tell me that, Look, I understand your
perspective on it. You don't understand what it's like to
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be black and feel like you're asked by a police
officers simply because you're black. You know what, I'm not black,
and I can completely understand that if that's the way
that you're made to feel, especially you're not a criminal,
you didn't do anything wrong, or maybe it is you're
speeding or you had a tail light out or something
the right, you shouldn't be made to feel that way, right,
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But using that as a springboard to hey, fourth July
celebration of white supremacy. Now again that that honestly is
an uneducated comment. It just is. The fourth July is
celebration of the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths
to be self evident, that all men were created equal. Right,
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that's the Declaration of Independence. That's what the Fort junly celebrates.
That's what we aim to be, and in many ways
we have gotten either there or very close to being
there over the last fifty years as a country. Right,
like this idea that our country is coming up short
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is fair. If you feel like your country isn't doing enough,
like I, you should ask you know, asked was asked,
not what's your country we do? Actually what you can
do for your country. You should ask a lot of
your country. You should continue to demand that your needs
be met while especially if you're throwing into the kiddy
with your good with your tax money, and you're raising
your kids to be better citizens than you are, and
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you want you demand better public schools, especially with your
harder and tax money, and there's none of that is unreasonable.
You should be allowed to be protected by the police department,
but not harassed if you didn't do anything wrong, and
even if you did do something wrong, the level of
violence should not be you know, to the you know, like,
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these are reasonable requests. But the idea that the fourth
is lie is a celebration of white supremacy, well that's
getting into the heart of the constitution where slaves were
black men were considered only three fifths of a human being.
That actually isn't the But now we're getting into the weeds.
I'm gonna tell you when I read this tweet, and
I understand that the video that follows is um James
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Earl Jones reading a piece from Frederick Douglas, who his
life's work was to abolish slavery and he was a brilliant,
brilliant man. And keep in mind us eighteen fifty two,
I believe, is when it was written. So things have changed.
We we you get this, we haven't changed, Like that's
just not that's not Now, We're not fair and not true.
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It's not fair. It's not true. We have had a
black president, we have champions in business who are black,
champions of sport they're black. Have black people gotten to
the level to which they believe they rightfully should be
in American society? I would guess no. I would guess no.
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I can't speak again, I'm not black, But I think
that is some of it because of years upon years
of being suppressed in terms of the level of education. Yeah,
that's true, but it can be point you you can
be allowed to have a conversation that the railroads that
were built across this kind of across country to continental
railroad that connected east and west. I think it was
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like what Nebraska were connecting those are Those were Chinese
immigrants that were essentially enslaved or indentured servants that were
brought to this country. And there has been a level
of financial achievement there. Like you have to do some
self reflection. But the idea that we can't celebrate as
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collectively as one the fourth of July because the fourth
of July is a celebration of white supremacy, I just one.
It's uneducated and wrong. And two what are we allowed
to celebrate? Tell me help me like and if I'm
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hiring somebody in the nash Football like, which there's been
this outcry to hire Colin Kaepernick, like this is this
is case in point of Kaepernick one on one where
he was he was fading as a starter because of
his skills and his leadership style. That is documented. All right,
(41:32):
they changed coaches and I'm not gonna sit here and
argue with anybody, says Jim tom Sula was completely in
over his head and no quarterback would have succeeded. That's fair.
He had injuries that diminished some of his skills. His
style of playing quarterback as a guy who can both
run and throw is one where you're gonna sustain injuries.
We've seen it with Cam Newton. Right. Kemden wasn't out
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of the league for a couple of months and signed
for less than a million dollars because as he wasn't awesome,
he didn't have any protest. It wasn't because his personality.
It was because he's taken such a savage beating playing
the position the way he plays the position that no
one knows if he can throw a football anymore because
he had two shoulder surgeries and the last time we
saw him throw it wasn't good. And the guy who
struggled with accuracy now really struggle with accuracy and some
(42:18):
velocity issues. But when Colin Kaepernick was going to be
signed by the Baltimore Ravens, his girlfriend put out a
meme which likened the owner of the Ravens to the
slave owner, and Django unchained, And I don't blame Steve
shot if you're going like, no thanks, And now you're
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asking an NFL owner like the Hunt family, where I've
I've told you like I I think there's a guy
he could be a backup quarterback. Four That would be
the two guys to me, Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes
both are guys that you both have gotten hurt. They're
super stars. So whoever their backup is, it's not gonna
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be called in the question. And they are playing for
quarterback guru's. Bill O'Brien was a quarterback guru when he
was first in New England then at Penn State. And
of course Andy Reid is an incredible quarterback guru, which
would allow for Kaepernick to learn a different system and
hone his skills if he wanted to ultimately get back
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to being a starting quarterback in the NFL. I don't
I think those are both reasonable. But you put out
a tweet like that and you just cause people in
the NFL to go like I just called for the
July a celebration of white supremacy. How how do I do?
How do I do that? How do I do that?
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Because some of you mostly don't know me as a
human being, The truth is, I'm like the least offended
person of all time. I'm Jewish. I've heard every Jewish
chow there is. It doesn't really offend me. I don't
think you should say it because a lot of things
that that are said are simply come from a place
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of not being educated. But some come from nasty stereotypes
or whatever. I've I've heard all of them. It doesn't
really bother me. I've heard the jokes about Notre Dame.
I've heard the jokes about my shooting. I've heard the
jokes about switching networks. I don't get offended. I don't
you know. Life is a lot better when you can
laugh at yourself. And I will crack jokes on myself
(44:26):
from now until the day the day you cover me
with dirt. So maybe I'm and And I have friends
that are black, have friends and are white, friends are
mixed race. I have friends that are Armenian, I have
friends that are Arab. I have friends that are hardcore,
you know, Zionists choose. I have all sorts of friends,
and I'm a very reasonable person. But I will tell
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you that my dander gets up when I place that.
I think it's pretty cool. And I've actually lived other
places a little a little bit of brush up ton Israel.
I've lived in France, lived in those places, and I
come back here and I have great pride for the
country we live in. That doesn't mean that you don't
have the right to protest. That doesn't mean that you
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don't have the right to demand more of your country.
Your president, your police, are your teachers of yourself. But
you say that the day we celebrate our independence from England,
in which we wrote down with some brilliant minds, we
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hold these truths to be self evident, that all men
are created equal, And then you say that that holiday,
which should be cell right by everybody, like the reason
we have even a device like Twitter, and we can
have the freedom of speech, and we have the freedom
to kneel. Is the independence we declared from England. All
of those things are celebrated in the fourth July. It's
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a feel good holiday and I you do get to
the point to where you tell us, based upon your remarks,
I don't actually really want to play football, and maybe
he doesn't have to anymore. I it feels like that's
how he goes is like now I got the documentary,
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now making a bigger impact with the Nike thing. I'm
the one that got black balled. I'm better off being
the guy that got black balled than being the backup
quarterback who nobody hears from anymore. Which isn't a bad
business play and isn't a bad leadership play, but it
runs counter to the actual true narrative in that he
wants to play football and people are keeping it out
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of him because I struggled to find an NFL owner
that's gonna look a look at that tweet and go
I want that on my team. We're starting to see
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Cam Newton status among the top five quarterbacks in the
a f C for the twentieth straight year. They are
going to have in the a f C the best coach,
one of if not the best defense, and the top
five quarterback like Patrick Lamar de Shaun and then Cam
(47:45):
right now is the fourth best sporter back in the
a f C. Who who you're gonna put ahead of him?
Philip Rivers, my Guy Baker, Derek Carr, Ryan Daniel, There's
nobody and and and somehow you you guys wild, you
guys go from having maybe the worst quarterback situation in
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football to once again the best quarterback situation in the
a f C. East. All your javelin stuff that you
were lying to America about you can throw off the window,
and you gotta you got a real living, breathing starting
place on paper, you do. If you go back a
couple of years. What's interesting about it was he cut
out Ben Roethlisberger. Right. Roethlisberger is coming off of Tommy
(48:29):
John surgery. Previous to having Tommy John surgery, he threw
for five thousand yards two years ago, two years ago
when Cam Newton really struggled because he had to have
shoulder surgery. So wait, if we're gonna go back a
couple of years ago, that's one thing. By the way,
we go back two years ago, Philip Rivers a far
better quarterback than than Cam Newton. Now, look, Cam could
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be all rested up, he could be all healthy and
if things go right, like look, he's a dynamic as
like dynamic. He's never been crazy accurate. He's not gonna
have a ton of time with the coaches in person,
although I have plenty of time with him on zoom
and he'll have time with wide receivers here throwing routes
against air. But what we're doing, we're doing this thing.
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What we're doing dated information. I don't know what I mean.
I know that that I know that Nick doesn't think
a ton of Sam Donald, But Sam Donald last year,
Um finished up the season five and two through for
three thousand yards and more than anything. Is only a
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couple of years into his NFL career and hasn't yet
been hurt. He's not coming off of an injury. He's
coming off of mono two years in. His numbers got
progressively better from year one to year two, playing with
marginal talent at best. You know, I'm not a huge
Baker Mayfield guy, but it stands the reason that Baker
Mayfield in year three should be pretty damn good, especially
(49:59):
surrounded by the players. The last thing is this that
we've gone from a place where Tom Brady, who I
grant it's not peague. Tom Brady didn't have enough weapons,
so he should leave to Cam Newton's got plenty weapons
because he's Cam Newton. Right. They don't have any tight
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end to speak of. Do you know? Does anybody know
who the Patriots starting tight end is? Who was his
favorite target for years in Carolina, especially after Steve Smith
went went away? So Matt Lacosse is gonna be your guy.
He's no Greg Olsen. They do have Sony Michelle. They
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have James White, they got Rex Burkehead, They've got Damien Harris.
I love the running back room, I love Edelman. SNeW
should be better than he was last year. Nikkill Harry
couldn't be any worse. But line there guys up again
to anybody else and say what are they? But the
big thing is this, you're dealing with information on Cam Newton,
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pretending like the Liz Frank injury, it's a badly broken
foot where yeah, you're out most of the season, the
shoulder surgery which he's had to like, those don't exist
and they did happen, and it's what caused people to
go like, yeah, I'm I'm not in on that. I
don't think he would have gotten as little on the
open market. And the only reason the Patriots were ever
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to pay him basically nothing is because they're the Patriots
and he feels like he can win the spot. But look,
if i'm him, have you looked at the Patriots schedule?
Have you checked it out? You know, you open up
with Miami team that beat him to end last year.
Then they go to Seattle Raiders at home to Kansas City.
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They ain't being Seattle in Seattle, they ain't be in
Kansas City, Kansas City, even if Tom Brady was their quarterback.
So I'm not convinced they have a five quarterback in
the a f C because we're going based upon information
at least two, if not three, or four years ago.
Cam Newton hadn't been great since the Super Bowl. He's
had splashes, hadn't been great since Super Bowl. We're doing
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five years ago. Like five years ago we were on
the iPhone three or something. I mean, just things changed massively. Alright,
A massive new contract for Pat Mahomes. I'm gonna tell
you why it. It makes total sense for the Chiefs
and for Mahomes, and why it has no effect on
Dak Prescott. I'll explain next to the Doug Otlip Show
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We hope you had a a fantastic, fantastic holiday weekend.
Your weekend is not nearly as good as Pat mahomes weekend.
Oh boy, so um I I did on some level.
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I want to get to this tweet, but instead we'll
get to a different tweet. Adam Schefter, the Chiefs and
their quarterback Pat Mahomes have reached an agreement on a
ten year deal from Adam Schefter. The contract extension ties
in New Kansas City through the two thousand thirty one season.
League sources tell ESPN. So the I guess the question
is going to be how much money is it? How
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much money is it? What do you think music, how
much money do you think it is? What is the
what is the final what is the final tally? Right?
Because the the guess is that it's it's all about
average per year, right, salary per year, and you know,
you're thinking somewhere in the what mid thirties, mid to
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upper thirties, and the question becomes how long is the
contract versus how long is the contract guaranteed? Where is
the real money? And it's it's an interesting tweet, as uh,
we're trying to figure it out and chapter has it
not really a surprise. There was some talk about this
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deal not being reached until the end of next season.
Obviously the Chiefs think otherwise now, and what you get
is not just the best young quarterback in football, but
you get cost certainty for all these times, which is
fascinating because we have so much uncertainty in terms of
what the cap is going to look like in future years. So, uh, Music,
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what do you think what do you think the average
per year total is? I would guess that it looks
like it's forty but is really closer to thirty five
thirty six, that is my guess, and um, I think
that's gonna be a really interesting one. So whatever you're
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however you handled, however you handled your your with July,
it seems like Pat Mahomes feels had a better one, right.
It's like, man, that's like your fireworks show. Yeah, we
had a couple of sprinklers out in the yard and
then somebody next to you launches some big grenade that
explodes in the air, and the entire neighborhood is around. Bye,
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what are you? What are you guessing here on on total?
On total? I probably I think on average, I don't
even know on on total, but I think on an
average it will be around uh thirty eight and a
half a million dollars will be the number. I'll say,
So look over ten years, that will look like three
million dollars. You and I know, and I think most
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people know, but that's not really how much money it is, right,
But it will look like so you're saying three eighty
on average, well I just mean and a half. Yeah,
Because I think it's gonna because Russell Wilson, I believe,
was the highest annual at thirty five million, and so
I think it's going to be significantly and I think
(04:02):
three million dollars gap is significant considering there's about five
quarterbacks with then that two million, thirty three to thirty
five million dollars. I think it's going to be Um, yeah,
that that significant gap, and then Dak Prescott's deal should
be at least figured out. Then if this number is said, yes,
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on the other hand, completely separate topic. But no, no,
it's not actually separate topic. You're actually right, right, So,
and for people don't know, Dan has his Sunday show,
you hear him throughout the week here on Fox Sports Radio.
You're right though, because what happens is now you're like, well,
Dak Prescott, he's you know, he's signed for the franchise tag.
It was a thirty three million I think this year.
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But which is the average of the okay, is the
taverage of the top five salaries. But ultimately he'll want
to be you know that the big quest was to
be the highest paid guy, and I don't think there's
any way the Cowboys can make him the high spa
guy if it goes to three and a half million
or three million more than the highest paid guy, which
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is Russell Wilson, which by the way, wasn't just signed
this last week, right, It's not like but that's that
is sort of resetting the market. But I don't think
it truthfully resets Dak Prescott's market, because no one I
know thinks Dak Prescott is in Patrick Mahomes league. The
interesting part is going to be what do they how
do they arrange the money? And the guess is that
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a substantial chunk of the money, like, let's see what
their cap situation is this year, can they pay him
some this year? But when the new TV money comes in,
that's when you'll see a bunch of his money go
on the salary cap. You can't hide it forever, although
you can't kick it down the road. Why do you
do a tenure deal? Well, some so that you spread
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out the money, some so that you make it look
like it's a whole lot more money than this, but
also so that the chiefs basically will maintain Pat Mahomes
rights for up to ten years. Now, if you ever
wants to renegotiate, because there's non guaranteed parts of his deal,
he could sit out, but he will be under contract
with the Chiefs basically forever, which I would say is
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a good thing, but you have to sign away something else.
All right, we'll get you some of those dollar figures
in a second. That's one of those deals where no
one disagrees. The question becomes, can the Chiefs continue to
put pieces around him, not just on offense but also
on defense. Considering the bill for Pat Mahomes is going
to go up substantially, likely starting next not this next year,
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the contract extension looks like now they tear it up,
they give him a bunch of money up front that
that will tell you where they are with their cap
in terms of their spending, and are they done for
the year. Are they were reworking anybody else's deal? So
tenure deal Pat Mahomes probably looks like three four million dollars.
The question is, as Dan Buyer pointed out, what is
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the average per year and what is the real real money?
And that we just don't know. Let me get to
what was the story of the day before Pat Mahomes
got a deal, And that's the President tweeting at at Bubba.
So look, this has happened before in sports, and I
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do think Bubba Wallace, of course uh, the only black
driver who's a regular on the NASCAR circuit. All right,
he chose a very very simple retort instead of going
right back at the president. The President tweeted, has bub
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Bubba Wallace apologized to all those great NASCAR drivers and
officials who came to his aid, stood by his side,
and we're willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to
find out the whole thing was just a hoax. That
and flag decision has caused lowest ratings ever. Bubba Wallace
tweets out to the next generation, the little ones following
my footsteps, loved wins. Your words and actions will always
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be held to a high standard than others. You have
to be prepared for that. You don't learn these things
in school. You learned these things from trials and tribulations,
the ups and downs the crazy world provides. You always
have people testing you, seeing if they can knock you
off your pedestal. I encourage you to keep your head
high and walk proudly on the path you have chosen.
Never let anybody tell you you can't do something. God
put us here for a reason. Find out that reason
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to be proud of it. Work your tails off every
day towards it. All the haters are doing is elevating
your voice and platform too much greater heights. It's perfect
because what it does is it's retort, but it doesn't
answer him directly, doesn't respond to him directly, and that's
not needed. I think this is just me thinking out loud,
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all right. I believe and I've told you, like we
when we followed the Bubba Wallace thing, we were on
there when there was the procession in the pit and
he took that picture, and I mentioned how emotional it
was and how galvanizing it seemed to be. And then
when I we looked further into the story, we said,
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something doesn't really make sense or feel right about this story.
And then Bubba got defensive when people called it a hoax.
And you have to understand what a hoax is. A
hoax is something with the intent to deceive. Look, I
don't believe that that the rope pull or noose was
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meant for Bubba. I think it was there before. It
may have been a joke, it may have been just
used as a really good slip knot. I have no
idea because it was there for almost a year that
that's not my point it wasn't. No one believes, or
at least Nascar. The FBI that sent you know, over
a dozen investigators, doesn't believe it was meant for him.
I'll take the word for it. It doesn't stop that
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from being a galvanizing moment. Bubba didn't look great when
he did a couple of interviews the night of and
even with Dan Patrick uh the morning before. We we
we found at the FBI statement which was you know,
a day removed from it, But that didn't stop it
from being really emotional and showing how NASCAR is united
to kind of rid themselves of some not most, some
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of the evils of the past, which is great. It's
just a it's a classic misunderstanding and a bit of
an overreaction by Bubba. But there was never I didn't
feel like there was any calling out of any specific
group or even of the president. Now he's doing this
is by par for the course. By the way, this
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was a by his estimation, a a winner when he
trolled the NFL three or four years ago. It's not
a winner now. It's just not do I think to
his base it is, yeah, but that base appears to
be shrinking, and we're just in this weird place where
it feels like he's going with his old playbook, and
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that old playbook is with instead of going right back
at him, just kind of ignoring him. Yep, yep, this
is what happens. There will be people who challenge you. Look,
Bubba took a bit of a victory lap, but he didn't,
you know, I think he enjoyed the attention a little bit.
I think he enjoyed being the guy that stood up
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for himself and for his race. And I don't see
that as a horrible thing. I don't see that with
evil intentions. And as much as I do believe there
was an overreaction to the initially to the rope, I
don't believe it was a hoax because the hoaxes with
the intent to deceive, and I don't think it's the
intent with this seaf Nobody has actually accused that of happening,
with the exception of the President and some conspiracy theorists.
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I mean, look, the President United States. He he did
the thing with the birth certificate. He's done these tweets
before with sports leagues. This is how he believes he
came to power, Whether not sure or not, that's what
he believes, and in the past, everybody's rushed to it
and rush to whoever he tweeted at, and it has
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been a back and forth. And because he's the president,
ultimately he had the support of enough people even the
NFL would back down from it. I think those days
are gone. I think cut up. Next. Cam Newton is tired.
Not tired of working out, not tired of success. Um,
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he's tired of being humble. Has he ever really been humbled?
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Patriots had themselves a new quarterback. His name's Cam Newton.
(12:51):
Rob Parker is going to join us, of course, odd
couple inside the Parker West Kim about baseball. Also, I
think there's a good Kaepernick discussion to be had. Um,
Patriots new quarterback who posts on Instagram video himself working
out shirtless, proclaiming I'm getting tired of being humble. Now, Okay,
this one I don't really get. When When was that moment? When?
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When was that moment like, I'm getting tired of being humble?
What when when were you humble? You know? Which is Look,
it's fine, I mean, but let's just not act like uh,
let's let's not act like this dude is actually humble
in any way. So I think I understand that Cam
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Newton is, you know, is only can only be himself, right,
That's that's all he can be. All he can be
is himself and nobody else. And so, um, I look
at it and think this is totally on brand for him.
You know, he's a bit he's he is a very
very confident dude. Rightfully. So he's had a marvelous career,
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but he hasn't in any way been humbled yet. And
so the idea of I'm getting tired of being humbled
is kind of comical to those of us paying attention,
kind of comical. Let's get you to Dan Buyer and
find out what else is going on to be what
he got, Doug. Still no numbers associated with the amount
of the contract that Patrick Mahomes could get espns Adam Schefter,
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Uh the first one with this that Mahomes of the
Chiefs have agreed on a tenure extension that would keep
him under contract through the one season. As part of
that extension, it would be added onto the two years
remaining on his rookie deal, so when all Patrick Mahomes
would be under contract with the Chiefs for the next
twelve seasons. NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace responding to a tweet
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from President Trump today by saying quotes, always deal with
the hate being thrown at you with love. Love over
hate every day, even when it's hate from the President
of the United States eights. Major League Baseball says some
of the results of COVID nineteen tests were delayed because
of the holiday weekend, and they don't see it being
an issue in the future. The Nationals, Astros, and Cubs
are just some of the teams dealing with delays in
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tests for their players. Texas Rangers slugger Joey Gallo tested
positive for COVID nineteen, while Brave soft fielder Nick Markakis
says he won't play in twenty after having a conversation
with teammate Freddie Freeman, who was ill and exhibiting symptoms
after he tested positive for coronavirus. PGA Tours changed course
and will no longer allow fans to attend next week's
Memorial Tournament in Dublin, Ohio. Doug back to you. Of course,
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that's a tournament that Tiger Woods is performed incredibly well in.
When more on golf up coming with our end, Dan Buyer,
let's welcome in. Rob Parker joins us. Of course, The
Odd Couple is the radio show. You can see them
on all our shows on Fox Sports one and uh,
you can check out Inside the Parker that is his
baseball only podcast. Let's let's start with the news of
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the moment, which is Pat Mahomes. Is there a number
which is too high? Uh for the Chiefs to sign
Pat Mahomes too? No? Uh? And how you doing, Doug.
I guess whatever, You're only worth what someone's willing to
pay you. I've always said this, So whatever they think
he's worth, Uh, then that's what the number is. There
is no right number. People. I always laugh at people
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who always talk about how much money and all this
other stuff. You know this, if you can get somebody,
I mean people in Hollywood have gotten them to pay
them twenty or thirty million dollars a picture to work
for three months and make a movie. And people are
cool with that. But if an athlete cashes out and
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somebody wants to pay them with all the you know,
gobs of television money and all the other stuff that's
out there, more power to them. I don't think anybody
is is no one will be bothered with them, however
much money Pat Mahomes gets. I think the only issue
running you run into is what is the limit uh
to which you can pay a guy and will put
the type of roster that they've had around? Right, Like
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Chris Jones wants a new contract, Um, you know that
he's got Tyreek Hill on a discount deal because of
the nonsense Tyreek Hill has been involved in off the
football field. But you know they're there. There are always
you know, he's gonna have to continue to build the
offensive line, the defense. He's great, but he was under
a rookie deal. Now when he's making mid thirties a
mid upper thirties, you know, can they sustain all the
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other players around him? That's really the only question terms
of limitations. That's not his issue. And I don't know
why people worry about that. The Kansas City Chiefs hadn't
won a Super Bowl one in fifty years or whatever,
it was hadn't hadn't won a championship, so they won one.
He's already gotten him one and if they can somehow
win another one or maybe three, Doug didn't. No matter
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what it is, it's worth it. Look at all the
organizations who have paid people like the Detroit Lions and
Matthew Stafford who haven't even won a playoff game in
a decade eleven years. Those are the people people should
be worried about, uh eating up the cap space because
they don't win anything. Uh, Kansas City, They've already won
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whatever they get after this. I'm sure they rewarded the
guy and they feel like, you know, no matter what
it is as far as taken away from other people
or whatever, it's just the nature of the business. And
that's for the people upstairs to figure out and get
lucky and work some other deals and have people take
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less money or whatever it is. But I believe in
getting every dime that you're entitled to or your market value.
I don't believe in giving hometown discounts, worrying about the
cap and the general manager and the owner. Because we
we see in time, we saw in New England Tom
Brady kept taking all these hometown discounts and pay cuts,
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and all everybody ever said was they never got him
any other star players or any other great players on
offense to help them. So was the point on taking cuts?
They won, They won games because he had a great
team around him. No, but I'm talking about last year
and all the years when they claim he didn't have anybody.
I'm saying, I don't believe in that dog that That
to me is the that's what a team to figure out.
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That's and the team can figure out what's the limit
we can pay you and still putting guys around that.
There's a certain math to it. You can't just give
a guy a blank check and go, hey, write it out,
we're good whatever. I that's not the way it works.
Something way that way he works in any business, don't business.
You had to believe in it. That's the way I mean.
But but there are they are gonna, they are gonna
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pay him. But like, look, there's a reality to It's like, look,
you can't but you're talking about you're talking about other
things that you can't control. All this guy wants to
get paid. That guy that's gonna happen right now. I
have the best quarterback in the NFL. Correct, he won
me a super Bowl, He's won an m v P.
I'm gonna I'm gonna pay him. So what's the I
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didn't I didn't say you don't pay him. There's just
there's a there's a limit there, right, and you gotta
figure out, like, what's the limit? Can we put a
team around him? And look at all the guys who
the guys are the top earners, the guy with the
biggest salary cap number in the NFL the last ten years,
eight of them haven't made the playoffs. Why because it's
really hard to put a team around them. That's what
it is. It's just hard. There's a there's a hard
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number with the cap they'd love to give, you know.
I mean it's like any business like we you know,
there's a reason that Colin and Skip make what they make.
You can't pay everybody those numbers because the company has
to make money as well, so you have they want
to make money. There's but there's also uh, you know,
there's there's also basically a revenue split with the players,
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and you have to figure out that within that salary
cap structure, how much can we pay you and still
give you other weapons. Like look, one of the reasons
they were he was able to win a Super Bowl.
Is he great? Yes? Sure, okay, but he also he
Sammy Watkins was his fourth best wide receiver. We think
Travis Kelsey is not gonna wanna get paid. He got
Tyreek Hill. They only got Tarrekill on the discount because
of the domestic violence stuff, right. I mean they were
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able to go out and get do hugs and and
acquire defensive talent as well as solid offensive line. It
is more than no one has ever wanted by themselves.
And you can say Tom, like what did Tom Brady get?
He got nine super Bowls? He didn't fix But but
I'm just saying my point is people gms make bad
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decisions with the money. I'm not leaving it in the
hands of giving up extra giving up money for somebody
to spend. There's been plenty of teams that have gone
out and spend money dug and they don't win or
they signed the wrong people. So my point is that
doesn't automatically mean because you leave money for other people
that you're going to win anything. That's my point. It
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gives you. But but as their gentlemanager, good John, I'm
just talking about it. They have a good team. Did
they fix it? I understand, but did they fix their defense?
But I'm just saying it ain't a guarantee because you
give up money, will you take less? So I'm just
not in that camp and I'll never buy into it.
The salary cap is a phony number made up by
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owners to limit the amount of money it is. You're
talking it's a free market system. No, it's not a
free market it's not you have a union's market system.
It's not if you have a union. A union does
not make it when you collectively bargain in agreement. It's
not a free market system anymore. You're speaking about something
that is not accurate, a free call. Players they don't
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get whatever they don't get. They don't get whatever they
because because what is the difference? Dog they negotiated a
completely different deal where there's where there's a luxury text,
where there's where's the luxury text? So that doesn't about
people from getting paid top Do I understand? Okay, they
don't get paid number and the NBA's number a phony number.
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They are not How How did how did they come
to the math? How is the salary cap calculated. Okay,
in the nashvillevull dog. You don't have to do it
that way. You know what you do? You have an
open wanket system. The big are you are? You don't
get paid? How okay? Are you guess? Good? Okay? But
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here's the problem with that. Okay, that's pure capitalism. That's
what you want, right, all right, I'm not I'm not
parting words. You remember what happened when they had the
noncap year, the uncap year. Do you remember that? Do
you remember what happened? See, the thing about no salary
cap means there's not just no ceiling, there's no floor,
which is what happens in Major League Baseball. So these
guys don't make anything, nothing in comparison to some of
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the top earners. So you have the rich and you
have the poor, and you have very little in between.
And that's what a salary cap does, is it helps
fill in those those in between. They had a non
salary cap year in the NFL, and it was a
disaster for the players because that's exactly what happened. Pat
Mahomes get a bunch and everybody else would get nothing.
And that's the way it works in business. If you people,
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that's where most people live in this country, and you're okay,
and you're saying you're okay with that, you don't make
the same as Colin. That fox doesn't go to you.
They have a bud, yes, but if they want to
give you more money than me, they'll give it you
more money because they think you're worth more than I am.
All I'm saying is the reason that that stuff all
came into play is so that they don't drive the
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cost up because they're afraid that one rogue owner is
gonna come out and and sign people of these big
money and then they'll have to be able to justify
not paying other guys on that level. That's really what
it ain't about competitive balance any of that stuff. Look
at you're using baseball as an example, and you're and
you're you're walking right into it, okay, But the Miami
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Marlins have been doing this. We're they're not paying anybody
and they're collective basically like the Yankees. The Morlans have
won two championships in the last twenty years. I'll wait
and you can tell me how many of the Yankees
have one and how many the Detroit Tigers have won.
How many The Red Sox have one, and you could
go through baseball. Baseball's have more, had more. I'm not
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than any other sport. At the end, you have and
you have teams that only tank, but then they tank
financially and they just won't spend anything. And so that's
what the salary cap does. And when they didn't, when
they had a non salary cap year in the National
Football League, all these dudes thought, we're all gonna get paid.
It's an open market. And what happened. None of them
got paid because it represented by a union, and the
union says, hey, we're the greatest number of people that
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we have won, and that's the low end dudes to
get paid more money, so they sign up for that,
and it limits what the top owners make. But the
truth is that I think Pat Mahomes can get by
on thirty five thirty six kids, what he can get
by on that? That that whole nonsense about you think
he can get by on. It's about the industry, dog
and how much money has made that whole well, I
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don't know what the difference in between thirty seven and
thirty five. How can we can't take thirty It's generational world.
I don't understand what's the difference. What the difference is,
Go look at what the owners make. What do you mean?
I think the owners can make eight percent on their
money on their return and return the rest of the
money to the fans. How about that? How long would
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the league be open? Closed down for you or not? Rob?
You rob? You operate a business, okay? When what is
the percentage of return on your on your investment on
a yearly basis that you make? Okay? Okay? So if
you if somebody say you're making on your money, and
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somebody says, hey, why don't you make eight percent and
then give it back? How did you feel about that?
It depends on who's doing whatever. My point is this
whole notion that you're gonna sign off on what's good
enough for somebody else. I hate that talk. You can
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talk on the reality from unmasking you. Who would you
just say that he can't live on thirty seven because
it's the reality of its monopoly money. It's the same
thing when you talk about yes, it's the same thing.
Talk about ceo compensation. It's the same thing. A ceo
can make fifties, sixties, seventy million dollars. But what's the point, Like,
what what? What is the point? The point is for
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everybody to get paid as as much as humanly possible. God,
who made forty million dollars and make one tackle or
sell one ticket? Asked Roger Goodell, why does he make
forty million? Dog? I'll tell don't you tell him? I'll
tell you. Yeah, tell him. He's like me, tell you, Okay.
So before Roger Goodell, when he took over, they had
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at first they had the lawsuit, the concussion lawsuit. Right,
So this Doug Otlip show, Fox Sports Radio. Rob Parker's
my guest. He's a co host of The Odd Couple,
which airs at seven on the East Coast for on
the West Coast course season seem on Fox Sports one
and download the Inside the Parker podcast. Um. When when
he took over, they had the concussion lawsuit, the estimates
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from lawyers were that it's gonna cost two billion dollars
to settle that thing. They settled it for less than
one billion dollars. And the way to generate that was
they moved three teams raiders, rams chargers and with relocation fees,
that is roughly two point one billions seven fifty million
or so. You know, it's roughly two billion dollars. That's
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how they paid for it when none of the owners
having to come out of pocket, so they're forever indebted
to him. Additionally, Thursday Night Football wasn't around, so he
had Thursday Night Football. Uh. First network, I think with
CBS overpaid for it. Then they split it with NBC,
and then Fox came in after a couple of disappointing
years of CBS and and NBC, and Fox paid more money.
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None of that existed before Roger Goodell. Additionally, he's opened
up avenues to China, He's opened up avenues to play
more games overseas. In other words, he is helping them
make more money. And he continues to generate more and
more wealth for his team, for his owners, for his players.
And that's why he makes forty million dollars because that's
a drop in the bucket. Can't justify it because that
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doesn't matter who's running this league. The way it's set
up and the television deals have nothing to do with
Roger doesn't do it doesn't it doesn't. It's what it's
It's the number one television show for the last decade. Right,
So when you go there and you you don't see
what leaders leadership, leadership doesn't matter. It does matter, but
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it doesn't matter. Forty million dollars worth, that is not
that's way over compensation. He has life take hold on.
He's over he's overcompetent. Who are you to say he's overcompetent.
I'm telling you he's overcompetence. You who are you? Who
are you to say he's overcompensation. I'm the overcompensate to police.
So you just you just said, you just said, how
would you ever say you can live on that overcompensation?
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Everybody should get what it should get. I know what
you're saying is Pat Mahomes should get what he can get.
But the but the guy who helps run the league
and negotiate deals, which is which is worth ten times
what Pat Mahomes generates for the kand city chiefs shouldn't
get paid. Whatever. Whatever my point is, you can say
whether if you want to say Pat Mahomes is overpaid,
and then you repe I don't think you don't think
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there's no Listen, I want to make sure this is
clear up, this is clear. I don't think there's a
level to which I think he's the best young quarterback
in the league, and it's not really all that close.
I think, uh, there's others that may be as good
or better quarterbacks. But considering how long a career he's
gonna have and how his skill set fits what quarterbacks
are gonna look like, he's great. I have nothing would pay.
The problem is you have the limitations of working for
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somebody who's gonna want to make a profit. In addition
to the fact that as an employee, there's also a
salary cap because you're part of a union that's negotiated
the salary cap, and so you have to fill out
a team around you. You need fifty two other guys.
So you can't just take everything there. You gotta leave
something on the table. So, yes, it is your problem. Okay,
so listen, if you want to drop back and get
your ass kicked, every time you take a staff, you
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gotta leave some money for your offensive line. That's the
way it works out. That's the reality of the sport.
It's called the world's greatest team sport, not how much
can we pay Pat Mahomes. And that's what Matthew Stafford
did in Detroit when he became the highest paid player
in the NFL a couple of years ago. He's a
less on a downtrodden team that's won one playoff game
since nineteen fifty seven. Nobody asked Matthew Stafford to take less.
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He got what was on the table for the for
the quarterback whose time when he had come. And that's
my point, Doug, what what? Why have you asked Matthew
Stafford to return money? You're doing You're doing the Boston
rob I love you, but you're doing the Boston thing
right where everything everything goes back to Detroit, where you've
called home, human businesses, success radio, and nobody, nobody to
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the money. I'm right, I would say that to his money.
That's why. It's that's why. Who has been the most
successful Who has been the most successful quarterback for the
last twenty years in the NFL? Tom Brady? Okay, how
has he done? How's he done? Financially? He's made two
thirty million dollars or something of the salary. He's done
pretty well. He's also done really well because he hasn't
taken top dollar and it's allowed the team to be
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built around him. I got one last thing for you, Uh,
Kaepernick said, um, he had Um. He tweeted out a
video which James Riel Jones reading this incredible piece by H.
Frederick Douglas that was written in the eighteen fifties. But
Kaepernick said he won't celebrate the fourth July because it
celebrates white supremacy. Um, I'm not really, I'm not quoting
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it verbatim, but that's that. That is part of what
he said. Is he still hirable in the NFL? Absolutely,
because it's about football. They've hired felons, people who have
had vehicular homicide, guys who have raped women, guys who
have beat children. Yeah, he's hirable because those words are
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not nearly dug as damaging and as terrible as some
of the things that people have done who wear NFL uniforms,
who have been given second and third chances. Those people
are employed. His words and his beliefs are his alone.
There are people who have done worse, and and I
don't see why he can't play football and be a
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quarterback in the NFL. That's Rob Parker. Check out Inside
the Parkers, a podcast about baseball which we think we'll
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(33:17):
on all the shows on the TV side. Rob, great stuff,
good talk to about this great day as always you
YouTube Rob Parker the crazy Uncle arguing and I want
to point this out that he actually gave praise to
Tom Brady. He did. Now he basically says a bad negotiator,
but did give praise to Tom Brady, saying he's been
the most successful because then arguable his success, it's whether
or not he's that great, which is is Rob's point. Tonight,
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we actually have some great news about real sports. I'll
tell you what that is next. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Godliep Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. What Up, Tug Godlip Show,
Fox Sports Radio. How is your fourth of July? That's
(33:59):
a big question. UH. If you live in southern California
and Ramos and I talked about this off air byre,
I'm not sure if you experienced this you live in
we all have in different parts. Um, but there was
you know, all the fireworks displays, you know, the city
sponsored ones were canceled. But you know, maybe it's it's
(34:21):
proximity to Mexico where they're easy to purchase. Because remember
most parts of California, the big ones that are illegal
but obtainable. Man, if fireworks being illegal and fired off
in southern California was like go into a fish concert
before weed was legal. It's like, all right, I mean
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it was really really a lot. I mean, I felt
like more fireworks on Saturday than any time I had
ever seen. But there's a there's a lot to get
to here. Um. Look, I think I believe that the
flag protest debate is in some ways similar to what
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I want to talk about with Colin Kaepernick. So Colin Kaepernick, who, Um,
of course, I mean, like I don't have to introduce
who he is? He guys, So he he tweeted out. Um,
black people have been dehumanized, brutalize, criminalized, and terrorized by
America for centuries and are expected to join your commemoration
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of independence while you enslaved our ancestors. We reject your
celebration of white supremacy and look forward to liberation for all. Now,
there's a bunch of different levels to this, Okay, the
idea though that the fourth of July is a celebration
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of white supremacy and look forward to liberation for all.
That's that that is promoting the idea that black people
are not free, which you know, Look, do I think
there's been quite obvious problem in terms of the reality
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of police brutality. Yes, I do. I think whatever level
of perceived and maybe real violence within our culture has
cranked up the real or perceived violence within our police department.
There's a belief that that's the way in which you
protect and serve, and violence with other violence creates more violence.
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And while the numbers of of unarmed black men was
actually I think two thousand, was actually nine people that
were that were killed, and obviously there's been several so
far this year. I I do have I have enough
black friends to tell me that, Look, I understand your
perspective on it. You don't understand what it's like to
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be black and feel like you're asked by a police
officers simply because you're black. You know what, I'm not black,
and I can completely understand that if that's the way
that you're made to feel, especially you're not a criminal,
you didn't do anything wrong, or maybe it is you're
speeding or you had a tail light out or something
the right, you shouldn't be made to feel that way, right,
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But using that as a springboard to hey, fourth July
celebration of white supremacy. Now again that that honestly is
an uneducated comment. It just is. The fourth July is
celebration of the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths
to be self evident, that all men were created equal. Right,
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that's the Declaration of Independence. That's what the Fort junly celebrates.
That's what we aim to be, and in many ways
we have gotten either there or very close to being
there over the last fifty years as a country. Right,
like this idea that our country is coming up short
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is fair. If you feel like your country isn't doing enough,
like I, you should ask you know, asked was asked,
not what's your country we do? Actually what you can
do for your country. You should ask a lot of
your country. You should continue to demand that your needs
be met while especially if you're throwing into the kiddy
with your good with your tax money, and you're raising
your kids to be better citizens than you are, and
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you want you demand better public schools, especially with your
harder and tax money, and there's none of that is unreasonable.
You should be allowed to be protected by the police department,
but not harassed if you didn't do anything wrong, and
even if you did do something wrong, the level of
violence should not be you know, to the you know, like,
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these are reasonable requests. But the idea that the fourth
is lie is a celebration of white supremacy, well that's
getting into the heart of the constitution where slaves were
black men were considered only three fifths of a human being.
That actually isn't the But now we're getting into the weeds.
I'm gonna tell you when I read this tweet, and
I understand that the video that follows is um James
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Earl Jones reading a piece from Frederick Douglas, who his
life's work was to abolish slavery and he was a brilliant,
brilliant man. And keep in mind us eighteen fifty two,
I believe, is when it was written. So things have changed.
We we you get this, we haven't changed, Like that's
just not that's not Now, We're not fair and not true.
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It's not fair. It's not true. We have had a
black president, we have champions in business who are black,
champions of sport they're black. Have black people gotten to
the level to which they believe they rightfully should be
in American society? I would guess no. I would guess no.
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I can't speak again, I'm not black, But I think
that is some of it because of years upon years
of being suppressed in terms of the level of education. Yeah,
that's true, but it can be point you you can
be allowed to have a conversation that the railroads that
were built across this kind of across country to continental
railroad that connected east and west. I think it was
(40:24):
like what Nebraska were connecting those are Those were Chinese
immigrants that were essentially enslaved or indentured servants that were
brought to this country. And there has been a level
of financial achievement there. Like you have to do some
self reflection. But the idea that we can't celebrate as
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collectively as one the fourth of July because the fourth
of July is a celebration of white supremacy, I just one.
It's uneducated and wrong. And two what are we allowed
to celebrate? Tell me help me like and if I'm
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hiring somebody in the nash Football like, which there's been
this outcry to hire Colin Kaepernick, like this is this
is case in point of Kaepernick one on one where
he was he was fading as a starter because of
his skills and his leadership style. That is documented. All right,
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they changed coaches and I'm not gonna sit here and
argue with anybody, says Jim tom Sula was completely in
over his head and no quarterback would have succeeded. That's fair.
He had injuries that diminished some of his skills. His
style of playing quarterback as a guy who can both
run and throw is one where you're gonna sustain injuries.
We've seen it with Cam Newton. Right. Kemden wasn't out
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of the league for a couple of months and signed
for less than a million dollars because as he wasn't awesome,
he didn't have any protest. It wasn't because his personality.
It was because he's taken such a savage beating playing
the position the way he plays the position that no
one knows if he can throw a football anymore because
he had two shoulder surgeries and the last time we
saw him throw it wasn't good. And the guy who
struggled with accuracy now really struggle with accuracy and some
(42:18):
velocity issues. But when Colin Kaepernick was going to be
signed by the Baltimore Ravens, his girlfriend put out a
meme which likened the owner of the Ravens to the
slave owner, and Django unchained, And I don't blame Steve
shot if you're going like, no thanks, And now you're
(42:42):
asking an NFL owner like the Hunt family, where I've
I've told you like I I think there's a guy
he could be a backup quarterback. Four That would be
the two guys to me, Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes
both are guys that you both have gotten hurt. They're
super stars. So whoever their backup is, it's not gonna
(43:02):
be called in the question. And they are playing for
quarterback guru's. Bill O'Brien was a quarterback guru when he
was first in New England then at Penn State. And
of course Andy Reid is an incredible quarterback guru, which
would allow for Kaepernick to learn a different system and
hone his skills if he wanted to ultimately get back
(43:23):
to being a starting quarterback in the NFL. I don't
I think those are both reasonable. But you put out
a tweet like that and you just cause people in
the NFL to go like I just called for the
July a celebration of white supremacy. How how do I do?
How do I do that? How do I do that?
(43:45):
Because some of you mostly don't know me as a
human being, The truth is, I'm like the least offended
person of all time. I'm Jewish. I've heard every Jewish
chow there is. It doesn't really offend me. I don't
think you should say it because a lot of things
that that are said are simply come from a place
(44:05):
of not being educated. But some come from nasty stereotypes
or whatever. I've I've heard all of them. It doesn't
really bother me. I've heard the jokes about Notre Dame.
I've heard the jokes about my shooting. I've heard the
jokes about switching networks. I don't get offended. I don't
you know. Life is a lot better when you can
laugh at yourself. And I will crack jokes on myself
(44:26):
from now until the day the day you cover me
with dirt. So maybe I'm and And I have friends
that are black, have friends and are white, friends are
mixed race. I have friends that are Armenian, I have
friends that are Arab. I have friends that are hardcore,
you know, Zionists choose. I have all sorts of friends,
and I'm a very reasonable person. But I will tell
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you that my dander gets up when I place that.
I think it's pretty cool. And I've actually lived other
places a little a little bit of brush up ton Israel.
I've lived in France, lived in those places, and I
come back here and I have great pride for the
country we live in. That doesn't mean that you don't
have the right to protest. That doesn't mean that you
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don't have the right to demand more of your country.
Your president, your police, are your teachers of yourself. But
you say that the day we celebrate our independence from England,
in which we wrote down with some brilliant minds, we
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hold these truths to be self evident, that all men
are created equal, And then you say that that holiday,
which should be cell right by everybody, like the reason
we have even a device like Twitter, and we can
have the freedom of speech, and we have the freedom
to kneel. Is the independence we declared from England. All
of those things are celebrated in the fourth July. It's
(45:58):
a feel good holiday and I you do get to
the point to where you tell us, based upon your remarks,
I don't actually really want to play football, and maybe
he doesn't have to anymore. I it feels like that's
how he goes is like now I got the documentary,
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now making a bigger impact with the Nike thing. I'm
the one that got black balled. I'm better off being
the guy that got black balled than being the backup
quarterback who nobody hears from anymore. Which isn't a bad
business play and isn't a bad leadership play, but it
runs counter to the actual true narrative in that he
wants to play football and people are keeping it out
(46:39):
of him because I struggled to find an NFL owner
that's gonna look a look at that tweet and go
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First Things First TV show Fox Sports one talking about
Cam Newton status among the top five quarterbacks in the
a f C for the twentieth straight year. They are
going to have in the a f C the best coach,
one of if not the best defense, and the top
five quarterback like Patrick Lamar de Shaun and then Cam
(47:45):
right now is the fourth best sporter back in the
a f C. Who who you're gonna put ahead of him?
Philip Rivers, my Guy Baker, Derek Carr, Ryan Daniel, There's
nobody and and and somehow you you guys wild, you
guys go from having maybe the worst quarterback situation in
(48:06):
football to once again the best quarterback situation in the
a f C. East. All your javelin stuff that you
were lying to America about you can throw off the window,
and you gotta you got a real living, breathing starting
place on paper, you do. If you go back a
couple of years. What's interesting about it was he cut
out Ben Roethlisberger. Right. Roethlisberger is coming off of Tommy
(48:29):
John surgery. Previous to having Tommy John surgery, he threw
for five thousand yards two years ago, two years ago
when Cam Newton really struggled because he had to have
shoulder surgery. So wait, if we're gonna go back a
couple of years ago, that's one thing. By the way,
we go back two years ago, Philip Rivers a far
better quarterback than than Cam Newton. Now, look, Cam could
(48:53):
be all rested up, he could be all healthy and
if things go right, like look, he's a dynamic as
like dynamic. He's never been crazy accurate. He's not gonna
have a ton of time with the coaches in person,
although I have plenty of time with him on zoom
and he'll have time with wide receivers here throwing routes
against air. But what we're doing, we're doing this thing.
(49:16):
What we're doing dated information. I don't know what I mean.
I know that that I know that Nick doesn't think
a ton of Sam Donald, But Sam Donald last year,
Um finished up the season five and two through for
three thousand yards and more than anything. Is only a
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couple of years into his NFL career and hasn't yet
been hurt. He's not coming off of an injury. He's
coming off of mono two years in. His numbers got
progressively better from year one to year two, playing with
marginal talent at best. You know, I'm not a huge
Baker Mayfield guy, but it stands the reason that Baker
Mayfield in year three should be pretty damn good, especially
(49:59):
surrounded by the players. The last thing is this that
we've gone from a place where Tom Brady, who I
grant it's not peague. Tom Brady didn't have enough weapons,
so he should leave to Cam Newton's got plenty weapons
because he's Cam Newton. Right. They don't have any tight
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end to speak of. Do you know? Does anybody know
who the Patriots starting tight end is? Who was his
favorite target for years in Carolina, especially after Steve Smith
went went away? So Matt Lacosse is gonna be your guy.
He's no Greg Olsen. They do have Sony Michelle. They
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have James White, they got Rex Burkehead, They've got Damien Harris.
I love the running back room, I love Edelman. SNeW
should be better than he was last year. Nikkill Harry
couldn't be any worse. But line there guys up again
to anybody else and say what are they? But the
big thing is this, you're dealing with information on Cam Newton,
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pretending like the Liz Frank injury, it's a badly broken
foot where yeah, you're out most of the season, the
shoulder surgery which he's had to like, those don't exist
and they did happen, and it's what caused people to
go like, yeah, I'm I'm not in on that. I
don't think he would have gotten as little on the
open market. And the only reason the Patriots were ever
(51:29):
to pay him basically nothing is because they're the Patriots
and he feels like he can win the spot. But look,
if i'm him, have you looked at the Patriots schedule?
Have you checked it out? You know, you open up
with Miami team that beat him to end last year.
Then they go to Seattle Raiders at home to Kansas City.
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They ain't being Seattle in Seattle, they ain't be in
Kansas City, Kansas City, even if Tom Brady was their quarterback.
So I'm not convinced they have a five quarterback in
the a f C because we're going based upon information
at least two, if not three, or four years ago.
Cam Newton hadn't been great since the Super Bowl. He's
had splashes, hadn't been great since Super Bowl. We're doing
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five years ago. Like five years ago we were on
the iPhone three or something. I mean, just things changed massively. Alright,
A massive new contract for Pat Mahomes. I'm gonna tell
you why it. It makes total sense for the Chiefs
and for Mahomes, and why it has no effect on
Dak Prescott. I'll explain next to the Doug Otlip Show
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