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July 8, 2020 57 mins

Doug calls out Stephen Jackson and other professional athletes for their hypocrisy regarding anti-Semitic comments and their failure to speak up about hate speech. He talks to NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah about Patrick Mahomes' new contract and how the Chiefs can maintain success. Plus, Clay Travis from FSR's Outkick The Coverage joins the show to discuss the NBA's plan to allow social justice messages on the back of jerseys. 

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I hope you're having a good day The Doug Gottlip
Show broadcast live from sunny southern California, And uh, we

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have an outstanding show for you, Just an outstanding show
for you. Crazy stuff going on in the world of sports.
Dudes coming up out of COVID already and returning to action,
Others saying hey, I can't perform my sport because of COVID.

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You've got college athletics, especially some of the most profitable schools,
saying hey we we we can't have uh, some of
these non revenue generating sports. I want to get to that.
We have a a dramatically and massively changing kind of
sports and non sports landscape. That we want to get to.
Let me give you the phone numbers to start here.

(01:29):
Let me get the phone numbers UM eight seven seven
foxes the phone number. And you know, among the guests
we have today is Daniel Jeremiah, who of course joins
us from the NFL Network, will get his thoughts on
on football, on football, but there is there is a

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bit of deafening silence that that continues. And um, you know, look,
I started yesterday. I started yesterday. And by the way,
Daniel Jeremiah will join us after the hour, Tom Curran
will join us and we'll we'll talk to some Cam Newton.

(02:10):
He's Tom Curran, covers the Patriots for NBC Sports Boston.
He'll join us in twenty five minutes. We started yesterday
talking about uh, DeShawn Jackson, de Sean Jackson, that Stephen Jackson,
DeShawn Jackson and his comments on Instagram and what just

(02:32):
what did it look? It was a bad look for him,
all right. I think the only thing that could be worse,
the only thing that could potentially be worse is not well.
I guess he could double down on it. But the
only thing that could be worse is what has happened
since for Steven Jackson. Stephen Jackson doubled down on his

(02:53):
comments yesterday saying that de Sean Jackson was was teaching,
was just educating people. Then today he went on Instagram
Live and said, in other words, you're upset at me
because he didn't apologize because of what I didn't say
what you wanted me to say. You know who the
roth Child's are. They own all the banks. Jackson then said,

(03:15):
I haven't said one untrue thing yet. In other words,
Steven Jackson, and now remember, Stephen Jackson is the or
what was George Floyd's friend. He was what we wished
Colin Kaepernick on many levels could be. We we thought
maybe that Stephen Jackson could be a leader as a

(03:39):
professional athlete of the Black Lives Matter movement, a guy
who could actually give us some real world experience with
police brutality, racism. Tell us who George Floyd was, have
him explained to us exactly what it feels like to
be a black star athlete and, by his estimation, be
treated unfairly by the police. But the reaction we heard

(04:05):
from the entire NFL which was one of being alarmed, offended. Heck,
we even had a player who plays with Drew Brees
tell him basically to f off on social media. It
will live forever. Yet to this point, we have heard
not one person who plays currently in the NFL, not

(04:29):
one NBA player or former NBA player like Stephen Jackson
who called for justice and freedom and equal rights for all,
stand up and say, hey, Sean Jackson was wrong, and
we're hypocritical if we don't point out that we're all

(04:50):
in this together. Are Jewish brothers and sisters, should feel
safe and should feel welcome in this country that's trying
to go through a process of growth. He didn't say that,
And so the hypocrisy of the Black Lives Matter movement
has become full circle, has become front and center. That's right.

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We're calling you on your hypocrisy. And and look, if
you want to say, well, that's not fair. Why why
I'm not disputing that the right wing conservatives have been
hypocrites for years. I'm not disputing that. Oak. The two

(05:34):
arguments that are made by the left sports, non sports liberals,
progressives whatever, and they're good arguments are one, you're excluding people,
hey by not providing not but by not granting the

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same rights to lesbians, days, transsexuals, by their estimation people
of color. You know, based upon some of the things
that the right believes in. I mean, the the easiest
one is abortion right and the same you know, a

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true conservative believes in less government. How do you believe
in less government? If the government is going to rule
what a woman does to her own body. That's hypocrisy,
is it not? So you have exclusivity and hypocrisy. That's
the narrative that the left wants to tell you about
the right. Well, guess what we have here. Guess what

(06:39):
we have here. Yesterday I shared with your story of
of a senator in the state of Georgia who's a
part owner of the Atlanta Dream And in the same
statement where the w n b A promotes the equal
rights to all, they then call out the part owner

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because she doesn't completely agree with the Black Lives Matter
movement and doesn't believe it should be promoted because it
becomes divisive. Then we have Steven Jackson, who I would
even tell you did a marvelous job of being a
leader and an out front spokespersonan person for not just

(07:23):
who George Floyd was, but what his death represents. And
while no one was killed, no one was harmed. If
you don't, it's and you know, it's one thing to
not understand the comments that DeShawn Jackson posted in a

(07:44):
fake Hitler quote. It's a whole other thing to double
and triple down when you have a chance to understand everything,
take a breath, read up, and then go on your
own Instagram live and know. Yeah, by the way, he
has a successful podcast, he appears on Fox Sports, he
appears on Yes, and he's a former NBA champion. We
call it him And I've had only good interactions with
Stephen Jackson. But dude, this is bull crap. I wasn't

(08:11):
even I'm not even mad. I'm embarrassed for you. You
should be embarrassed for yourself because this is the problem.
This is what people are talking about. No one I
know doesn't actually believe the black lives don't matter. Of
course they do. Black lives matter. That is a great statement.
They do. But between the there hasn't been any marches

(08:33):
or protests or leadership when six little kids were killed
this weekend, innocent children, just pastors standards by ones in
a car outside the Wendy's. Where there's been demonstrations. There's
no there's no protest to demonstrate that you said black
lives matter. We agree black lives matter. No one disputes

(08:54):
that I'm gonna do a better job of taking care
of our black brothers and sister There's no disputing that.
But you're a hypocrite. You're an absolute hypocrite if you
then double down on on the statements made by Deshan
Jackson calling out Jews is trying to run the world,
echoing statements of World War two Germany. What are you

(09:18):
doing now? All of a sudden, we start to go.
You know, let me look further into your friendship and
the statements you made about George Floyd, no matter how
much a champion him. Now I start to question hold
on a second, everyway, all right, I saw the video.
I was alarmed. I was embarrassed, not because Derek Chauvin's white,

(09:41):
just because he's a human being doing that to another
human being. Well, we've lost the ability to be reasonable.
And the same people that have rightly called out the
other side as being hypocrites and being exclusive are the
exact same thing. And you're ruining your argument, You're ruining

(10:05):
your movement. Any sort of progress that's made. Now you
just sit there and go like you know you've the
what was the statement made? And it's an echoing of
a statement from the nineteen sixties. Basically, silence is deafening,
right that that silence is compliance. That ye that if

(10:26):
you don't speak out against police brutality, then you are
complicit in the crime. That's what we've been told for
the last two months. And when I say we, I
mean all of America, regardless of skin color, has been
an NFL player or an NBA player who has taken
a social media regular media and said this is wrong. Now,

(10:51):
maybe it screams at our lack of knowledge for history
and how embarrassing our school systems are. If you want
to tell me the fact that more of America didn't
know what June tenth was until June tenth came and
then went. And it should be taught in the history books,
as should the Tulsa race rights. That's fine. What's more
embarrassing is the Holocaust is taught in history books the logic,

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but what happened for World War One and World War
Two is taught And and look, I'm gonna sit here
and tell you like I con insider Stephen Jackson to
be a friend. I've never had a bad interaction with him.
I disagreed with him, never, never had a bad interaction

(11:34):
with him. But I you sound like at at least
a moron, likely a hypocrite, and maybe something far worse
if you really dig deep into what he's actually saying.

(11:55):
Just open a history book and say, hey, how did
how did Hitler come to power in World War two? Oh? Yeah, See,
they were paying reparations for World War One. Most of
the country was in bad shape. The Jewish community had

(12:16):
leadership and was doing quite well financially in comparison, and
so Hitler blamed the Jews, which allowed him to round
him up and put him into ghettos and execute six
million of them. But you use some conspiracy theory from

(12:36):
the internet to validate with Shaun Jackson said. And then
there hasn't been a single professional sports athlete to come
out and say, hey, this is wrong. Your silence is deafening.
I'm not mad, I'm just embarrassed for you. I'm just embarrassed.
And it is in fact the same thing as we've

(12:56):
talked about with the NBA. I'm not a Donald Trump's supporter,
But I do realize that by putting things on the
back of a jersey, none of which can say Trump
two thousand twenty, you're doing the opposite of what you say.
You're you're not allowing for free speech and for free thought.
That's not progress, that's regression. What are we doing. You're

(13:21):
repeating the exact same mistakes of every previous regime or
the exact people that you believe are inhumane. You know you,
I just it just it. It bothers me. So that
it's one thing for our country to be divided, which
hasn't been helped by a president which has continued to

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divide us. It's a whole other thing for a movement
that's supposed to be inclusive and progressive and helping everybody
learn to going back to rhetoric of the nineteen thirties
and echoing can spiracy theories from the internet about this
about people who like black people have been enslaved, have

(14:10):
derogatory comments made about them, have had all of their
lifely belongings stripped of them. I mean, I just I
laughed because it's so uncomfortable to point out to people
that you like, dude, you sound like an idiot. And

(14:31):
oh yeah, by the way, not only you likely to
cost yourself any sort of job, you're causing an entire
movement to be seen as a fraud, which it actually
most of it is based upon good But that's the thing,
it's actually based upon a good idea of respecting human life,

(14:51):
of seeing black people in a different lens than some
had seen black people in that lens for a long time.
That that's what you're you're screaming out for. Hey, don't
racially profile us, got it, you know what you might
want to do, not racially profiled Jewish people as being
greedy and running all the banks in America, many of

(15:13):
which are actually publicly owned. I'm embarrassed for our lack
of understanding as human beings. I'm embarrassed for professional athletes,
especially in the NFL, when one of their own says
something stupid, you don't even have to crush him if
you don't want to. You don't have to go Malcolm

(15:35):
Jenkins and Drew Brees. You simply could have said, Sean
Jackson said something stupid. We've all had a stupid tweet.
You know it was bad. Let's move on, Let's move forward.
Let's learn more now that it hasn't happened. It allows
me to call you a hypocrite, and me to tell

(15:58):
you that your argument for your movement based upon good,
based upon an idea that I believe in black lives
matter to mean something else, to be seen as a fraud,
to be seen as just as exclusive and just as
hypocritical as any argument the other side has made. Feel
free to call me eight seven seven nine nine Fox

(16:21):
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and we have a list of the top ten quarterbacks
going into two thousand twenty. I'll react. I'll react to
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. A man

(17:48):
as Bernard, who have had some nice little conversations with
on social media, says Doug, you can't actually racially profile
a Jewish person. It's a religion and your race is white.
I don't know your your Jewish drive being in Beverly Hills, um,
but I do know that if you're black, you're doing
the same thing. Deshaun is an outlier for us, and
Jewish people have a past of harshly treating blacks. We've

(18:10):
never been in power of authority. Therefore we can't be
a colorist. We don't have an effect on anything as
it pertains to power. That's not true. There has never
been a black Jewish president of the United States. There
has been a black president of the the United States. Argument
just went out of the window. Sorry, I actually understand

(18:31):
the nuance because I believe that the world is, you know,
so much as a nuance, right, I actually believe the
nuance of what whether it's Stephen Jackson or DeShawn Jackson.
The idea is to say, like, hey, black people do
have power. They've just allowed people too in there in
there allowed people to make them powerless. I don't disagree
with that. I don't disagree with that, But how do

(18:55):
you do that? How do you do that? It's always
interesting to me, right, like, you have very powerful black
people in Hollywood and in sports, and you can sit
here and tell me, hey, we haven't had Is there
a more powerful human being in the history of television

(19:19):
than Oprah Winfrey? Is there is there more powerful? She
has her own network, she has her own network, right.
You know, Um, there's never been a more powerful human
being in sports than Michael Jordan's or now Lebron James.
Highest paid athletes ever in the history of sport is

(19:42):
gonna be Patrick Mahomes. So one, how do you use
that power? And two like, look, if you take a
breath and you start to think about things. Many Jewish
people came over on a boat. My grandparents came over
and a boat with nothing. What what do you how
do you decide to succeed? What do you teach your children?

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And I am not disputing because I actually love history.
I'm not disputing what what the United States did, what
slave ownership did to the nuclear family of black people.
I don't want to get into too much history, but
just there's a lot of talk about the nuclear family.
And history will tell you that because male slaves were

(20:27):
sold and were moved around, that marriages, families would be
broken apart and you have new families. And once you
create that as part of black culture within the United States,
that hurts any nuclear family. And every stat will tell
you the more two parent homes you have, the better
off you are. But they also tell you that the
higher the level of education within each home, the less

(20:49):
likely you are to go to jail, to be on
the street, to be without a job you've been a
higher paying job like literacy and education should be the
big push is And whether you want to take a
Jewish community which you know has been ostracized, has been enslaved,

(21:11):
as suffered genocide, or you just want to take people
the Asian labors, you know, Japanese were rounded up during
World War two and putting in in terming camps on
our soil. And of course, if you know about how
the railroads were built, like brought over Asians to work
in in northern California during the gold Rush, or you know,

(21:31):
building the railroads. But but please don't tell me the
black people haven't haven't been powerful and aren't powerful now
they are, and no one disputes that they should have
greater representation, whether it's in Congress, in business, okay, in movies.

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But but putting the blame for are the failings of
your race on Jewish people is an old playbook that
goes back to the Romans, that goes to the Germans,
and that if you're playing it in two thousand twenty,
when you're telling everybody else, Hey, you gotta treat everybody fairly.

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You're not treating a religion fairly. Let's get you to
Dan Buyer and find out what else is going on. Dan.
When he got Don Newsom, the National Football League is
the Baltimore Ravens told fans today they can expect a
season with no more than fourteen thousand fans attending home
games this year. The Ravens said season ticket holders would

(22:38):
have their tickets deferred to the one season. The team
says they already had over sixty two thousand season tickets sold,
and once a seating manifest is developed, PSL owners would
have the first opportunity to buy those tickets. Wisconsin Northwestern
football game scheduled for November will not be played at
Wrigley Field, while Stanford University announced they are eliminating eleven
of the school's thirty six sports, including rust sling, men's volleyball,

(23:01):
along with rowing and sailing teams. Republicans coach Alvin Gentry,
who was sixty five years old, has been cleared to
coach his team in the Orlando Bubble. Will Spurs guard
Patty Mills says he will donate the salary that he'll
make by playing in Orlando, which is over a million
dollars to the Black Lives Matter movements. NASCAR finalized their
Cup Series schedule for the last six races prior to
the playoffs, which includes Saturday Sunday doubleheaders in Michigan and Dover.

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The Cup Series will hold their race at Daytona's road
Course on Sunday August six, with the regular season wrapping
up August twenty nine at Daytona International Speedway. Doug back
to you. All right, Let's talk some football, shall we.
Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah
joins this up. DJ. Let's let's start with the Pat

(23:45):
Mahomes contract. What do you make of it? I was
surprised that he did he agree to do it. Um.
I mean, obviously it's a ton of money, and there's
a lot of you know, there's a lot of outs
along the way. But I would have thought he would
have been were inclined to kind of you know, just
believe in yourself and bet on yourself and go three
four years, um mac money and then just get keep

(24:09):
getting as many bites at that apple as you can,
because I mean, he's the I know where we are
now is weird and COVID and everything, But eventually things
are going to calm down. Eventually these new television contracts
are gonna kick in, and the revenue Pie is going
to grow, and and the situation he's in with Andy
Reid and and the players he has around him, I
just can't see any way that he doesn't, you know,

(24:30):
stay and maintain his spot at the top quarterback in
the league. And I'd want to keep getting as many
bites to that apple as I could if I were him.
What what's the biggest challenge in your mind? How do
they keep a team around him when that salary spikes. Yeah,
we talked about it. We talked about the movie six
podcast with Bucky, and my whole point on that is
the team building philosophy. I'm going to spend the money

(24:52):
on the two weapons, which is you know, Kelsey for
the next few years, as well as Tyreek Hill. I'm
okay with drafting running backs early, but I'm never gonna
resign them. I'm never gonna pay running back from the
second deal, and I'm gonna spend whatever money I have
in the offensive line and and worry about keeping him
safe and then he's going to have to make the
other skill position players be it. You know, the other

(25:14):
receivers and and backs and tight end you put out there.
He's gonna have to raise their level of play and
you're gonna have to be able to let those guys
walk in free agency. Um. And that's you know, it's
gonna put more pressure on Brett Beach to draft well. Um.
But that to me is how you build the offensive
side of the ball, and then defensively. I mean, the
good thing is that they're so dynamic offensively, you can

(25:35):
build a defense basically with with pass rushers, and you
can you can live with whatever you have ever else
on the field, but just know you're gonna be playing
with the lead. Spend your money on a couple of
pass rushers and filling around him. What do you do
with Chris Jones? I think you have to find a
way to pay him again. That to me, the defensive
side of the ball. I start with Chris Jones and

(25:56):
then with Frank Clark, and then I can you know,
I know, Honey Badger was great last year. I know
they've they've they've gotten better in the secondary, But I'm
okay with giving up some plays and giving up some
points in the back end. If I get pass rushers
pay those two guys, and then again you're gonna have
a revolving cast around those guys in the back half.
Danie Jeremiah joins us in the Gotlip Show here on

(26:18):
Fox Sports Radio. Um, he did not get a percentage
of the salary cap. You mentioned how long the contract is.
Everybody I know, everybody I know in the sport has
talked about that. If if not him, is there any
quarterback who can get a percentage of the salary cap?
I don't think so. I don't think it will happen.
And I think this the whole pandemic UH is another

(26:43):
factor in that, and that you don't know what the
future holds, and you don't know which way. You know
the salary cap is going to go based off revenue
and now we assume it's going to just continue to
go up, but it's it's unpredictable, and I think when
you're doing long term planning, it's a lot easier to
plan long term when you kind of know what those
fixed numbers are going to be versus the guessing game.

(27:03):
So I think that makes a little more difficult Dania
Jeremiah joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, you've talked to enough NFL people. Now, Um,
the Pat's getting Cam Newton. What what what what the league?
What's the league expect from him? Well? I think the
league expects the guys I talked to say. First of all,

(27:24):
it's not a you know, it's not a foregone conclusion
that that that he's the starter day one. I think
most people assume that, and I think he's probably the favorite,
you know, to be the starter over over us did him,
But nobody in the league I talked to, you know,
confirms that one. And then the other thing is, um,
he's gonna play us. Whoever the quarterback is with him

(27:45):
orst did him, are going to play a smaller role
in that offense than Tom Brady played. And you know,
compared to what Cam Newton was asked to do and
the load he had to carry previously, Um, he's not
gonna have to do anywhere near that. And they're gonna
run the football, they're gonna play great defense. Um, they're
gonna ask him to make a couple of plays. But
I think the ask of Cam Newton, you know, will

(28:06):
be less than what it's been in the past. Does
anybody know if he can actually throw a football? Like
that's a the the health of that shoulder and the
throwing motion. I mean, like, look, he was never an
accurate thrower, but at least he had a big arm.
Now you wonder how accurate he is even by comparison,
and how strong that arm is. What do people in
the league think of the how solid that shoulder is. Well,

(28:30):
we don't know. Nobody knows. You have to get out
there and see him. But I just know he is
a we use the term like a physical freak. We
talked this guy to freak. That guy the freak. This
guy is a is a freak of freaks. I mean,
you line him up with some of the freakiest, you know,
physical specimens you've ever seen, he stands out, um, So
I have believe that he's gonna be able to get

(28:51):
the shoulder right. And while he might not be the
most accurate guy down the field, he's very comfortable you know,
throwing option routes and and and being accurate underneath and
in an intermediate level. And that's basically that's what the
Patriot offense has been for the last several years, so
there weren't a lot of difficult completions in that in
that offense down the field over the last couple of years,

(29:12):
it has been catch rock and throw um and that
goes back to what he did at Auburn, where he's
very comfortable with that. You've been in the Eagles organization,
I'm wondering your thoughts on how they're going to handle
the Deshan Jackson follow. Well, it's a It's obviously it's
very unfortunate. I mean, um so, I know I've talked
to some people there. I know, um it sounds like

(29:35):
that they've had several people that have been in touch
with DeShawn and and tried to help him understand how
how poor that choice was. To put it mildly, um so,
I mean, I think they continued to talk with him.
The challenge with him is and you've got this situation,
You've also got the lack of durability that he's had
a a player they bring in a first round pick

(29:58):
at at the position, and Jalen Reagor was basically going
to be asked to do what you were hoping to
Shawn was going to do. Um to me, I would
imagine there's very little room for error um going forward
from this point on. I mean, I just, uh, they
they they they have other options, is what I'm getting at, Doug.
So that that, to me was just disappointing. I logged

(30:20):
off of social media for a week when I was
on vacation, and it was the best thing I ever
did because I didn't have to, you know, hear some
of the craziness that was going on. But if even
if you gave me a thousand guesses, I never would
have invoked we'd be talking about Hitler at this point
in time. I didn't see that one com I mean,
I actually think it's worse with Stephen Jackson's like he's
speaking the truth, like what what like what are you? What?

(30:45):
I just and then you know, like, look, you haven't
one NFL player call him out now, No one called
de Sean Jackson out. It's just such a horrible and
hypocritical look. And as I think, you know, I'm I'm Jewish,
uh you know, and I'm I wasn't sitting here saying
like cut him this second. I just he sounds so

(31:05):
dumb and so uneducated, kind of obtuse on the idea.
First that it was, uh, just you would never post
a quote from Hitler and highlighted, let alone a fake
quote from Hitler, And what are you doing right? I
mean just it just strikes me as remarkably dumb. So
I almost feel bad for him because he didn't even
he still I don't think even know, like I don't

(31:26):
have any hate in my heart, Like did you actually
read read anything? Do you know anything? It's really remarkable.
You're trying, You're trying to make sense. You're trying to
make the logical sense out of something that's illogical. You're
never going to be able to pull that one off,
which actually kind of goes to the point which many
of us has made, is like, Okay, look not not
probably not a great guy, probably not that smart, but
you know, Deshan Jackson can take the top off of

(31:47):
a defense. And it's it doesn't bother me as much
as it I guess it is supposed to. Maybe it's
because I've also heard plenty of anti Semitic remarks in
my in my lifetime, and I know what it's about,
and I know the best way to you know, there's
lots of ways to overcome it, but letting it derail
you from your own personal goal. Is is what that
stuff is designed for. So, but I mean the idea

(32:10):
that Howie Roseman is Jewish. He's the guy who swore
by de Sean Jackson to bring him back into building
after Chip Kelly ran him out right, I mean, I
just I don't, I don't. He just strikes me as
remarkably dumb. Yeah it was, Yeah, again, it was. I
was did not see that one coming. You know, It's
been a weird year, that's for sure, but I did
not see that as a trending topic. Uh. That one

(32:33):
caught me off guard. And I'll just say, look, having
worked in that organization and having worked directly with Happy Roseman,
having worked directly with Jeffrey Lury, that they are both outstanding,
outstanding men who have have done a really good job
obviously building up that organization and have been stilled the
culture with Coach Peterson there. Um. So I'm hopeful that
through this process that that he'll get a chance to

(32:55):
visit with those guys and um and they can share
some of their wisdom because they have to need to offer.
What happens with jiveon Clowney, That's a good question. I
don't know. I don't know where he's gonna end up.
I mean I still keep thinking, you know, I look
at Seattle on the ambition that they would have to
try and chase the ring. I just they still have
a void there um that that to me, I think

(33:18):
that's the best spot form um. I think with the
Olivier Vernon thing, a lot of people are crossing the
Browns off the list. Now the Titans have still been
hanging out there. Um, I don't know. I don't have
a good feel on that one on on on where
this ends up. It's just man's been dragging on for
a very long time. Yeah, it definitely has last thing.
Dak Prescott signs the franchise tag, We're creeping closer and

(33:40):
closer to when that deal could be redone, it could
be made into a long term extension. Uh. Does the
Mahomes thing dramatically change the math on what Dak Prescott
should get. No, I mean I think that you know,
the number that you know, you kind of talk about
is that thirty five you know range, which sounds big,
But I still think that's where that where that probably

(34:02):
ends up coming in with Doc And I don't think
that anything with my homes thing really changes that. Um,
I'm just curious to see what Dac wants to do,
what his you know, what his people want to do,
his team wants to do. I'd be half tempted to say,
let's just ride this thing out of the franchise tag
and let some more of these contracts come in and
the number is only gonna go up. And I look

(34:22):
at that team. I'm telling me, I was just going
back through it today with Buckey. We're going back to
the draft. It seems like so long ago, Doug. With
the draft, we normally hear about these rookies during the
spring and O T A s and we kind of
get some buzz on these guys. What's a weird year.
We don't have anything, but man, ceedee, Lamb is going
to go off in that in that offense, um to
go along with Cooper and Gallup. He's gonna he's gonna

(34:43):
throw for a zillion yards again this year. Uh So,
I wouldn't be hesitant to to bet up myself if
I were Doc. If you don't like what you get,
does the does the salary cap in the likelihood that
the salary cap goes down? Does that have any effect.
I'm not at that position, you know, not at that position.
He goes out and plays really well, and then you
know when the division go to the postseason and all that, Um,

(35:04):
you you'd be amazed where they can find the money.
The Ravens have said announced to their season takes the
max for fans that we can get into the stadium.
What does the NFL look like this year? Honestly, if
if if we get a full slate of games and
there's not a single soul in the stands, I would

(35:26):
sign that deal right now. I'll take it. Um, you
pump in crowd noise, you can put up cardboard cutouts,
you know, just selfishly speaking from my standpoint. Um, any
any fans you get would just be icing on the cake.
I just hope we can get the full season. So um,
that's where I remain hopeful in that regard. And I
think we'll see training camp. I think we'll probably see

(35:48):
you know, rosters come in at eighty or so. Um,
not any insider information, but I'm doubt you know, I
don't think we'll end up seeing preseason games. I know
there's two sounds like two as of now. I think
there's a chance. You know, I would say better than chance,
just in my own personal opinion. We don't see any
um and we just try and get the week one
and see what we get this thing in. If we

(36:09):
don't have fall college football, we have spring college football.
Daniel Jeremiah joining us. She was a star in the
NFL Draft if you watched him on ESPN of the
NFL network, Course works, the NFL Network. Food The Sticks
Is the podcast? Did does Trevor Lawrence play if there's
I was talking to something about this the other day.
I don't think so. I think if there is. If
there is no fall college football, we have spring college football.

(36:32):
I would imagine um, a lot of the guys that
are penciled in his first round picks that you would
not see them in the spring. Um. That would be
my that would be my expectation. It will be a
different looking will be a different looking group. DJ great
stuff Man Moved the Sticks Is the Podcast downloaded, list
of its Tim I and Bucky Brooks too, of our
absolute favorites. Thanks much for joining us, and Uh, I'm

(36:52):
glad you enjoyed that vacation. I appreciate your brother. It's
it's good to be back. With your Potter is gonna
win thirty eight games and go on to win the
World Series. You've heard her first, if we have heard
it there first, Thanks so much, d J. Danner, jeremiahs.
We're seeing some big changes in the NFL world. I'll
tell you about them next. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three

(37:13):
p m. Easter noon Pacific Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio.
I love the people who like, oh yeah, exposing who
you really are, Like, yeah, I'm somebody who calls out hypocrites,
you know. I just I think I'm fascinated by this

(37:34):
is a pretty linear thing. Like you don't there's not
a lot of nuance to it. No, it's not. There's
just not like if if you're if you were in
any way offended by what Drew Brees said, then you
have to be completely offended by what Sean Jackson posted.
Then more, it's morally reprehensible what what Stephen Jackson said.

(37:58):
Clay Travis and moment first, it's gets you to Dan.
We start with news from college sports. Multiple reports, at
first reported by CBS sports dot Com saying that the
IVY League would not have any sports prior to January
one one. Now the word cancel is out there, but
there it is believed that the league will make a
decision and a fall sports will be played in the

(38:19):
spring at a later date. This also affects winter sports
that would start prior to the new year. They are
also waiting at a later date to make a decision
on how those schedules would move forward. Stanford University eliminating
eleven of the school's thirty six sports, including wrestling and
men's volleyball. This news just in from the NFL at
a statement through his agent. Forty nine is running back
where he Mostard has requested a trade from the team.

(38:42):
Mostard is unhappy that his contract pays him as a
special teams player. Led the NFL last year in yards
per carry. NASCAR finalized their Cup Series schedule for the
rest of the regular season, concluding at Daytona International Speedway
in August twenty nine. They'll do the Double Dip the
Saturday and Sunday doubleheaders in Michigan and over in August,
with a road race at Daytona in between weeks. On

(39:04):
August sixteen, Ryder Cup at Whistling Straits was postponed until
September of one. That means the president's coup will also
be moved from one to twenty two. Doug back to you,
um Dan, what do you think about And look, we
never talked about the w n b A, but I

(39:24):
think it's funny. So Kelly Loffler is a senator in
the state of Georgia. We talked about this a little
bit yesterday, but she wrote a letter, uh too, to
the head of the w n b A, and in
it she said, quote, I adminently opposed the Black Lives
Matter political movement, which has advocated for the defunding and

(39:47):
police and called for the removal of Jesus from churches
and disruption of the nuclear family structure, Harvard anti semantic
views and promote promoted violence and destruction across the country.
I believe it is totally misaligned with the val using
goals of the w NBA in the Atlantic Dream, where
we support tolerance and inclusion. What's amazing about it. What's

(40:08):
amazing about it was the w NBA's response. Um. The
w NBA's response was kind of remarkable, kind of remarkable
in the the exact same sentence, the exact same sentence Uh.
The w n B A UM responded like this, this

(40:32):
is this is interesting. Um that, oh man, this is
comical that they believe in equal rights for all. Right,
and then they condemned the senators views and the Senator's letter.
But equal rights for all is a universal equal rights

(40:56):
in terms of thought. I just I So the w
n B A p A has come out they want
her to sell the team, which, by the way, good
luck finding a buyer for a sports franchise which at
best breaks even and now is not going to make
much any money and has higher costs and playing in
front of no fans in Bradenton, Florida for this season

(41:18):
while suddenly competing against the NBA, something hasn't ever had
to do before. Forget about all that. It's just the
idea of inclusion means inclusion, not exclusion. I'm not actually
I was kind of confused. Now I'm not confused. It's
just hypocrisy, that's all. Which is, if you've listened to
UM the left, if you listen to Democrats, they have

(41:39):
I think rightfully pointed out there's a hypocrisy to the right.
The only problem is they're just as big as hypocrites.
Let's welcome in Clay Travis, who stirs things up every
morning on Fox Sports Radio outcate. The coverage is the website.
It's also the name of his radio show. Um, Clay,
Let's let's start with the Deshaun Jackson, followed by the

(41:59):
Steve ben Jackson, who had the I G yesterday when
I live today, he doubled, tripled, quadruple down. What's your reaction, Well,
I mean, I DeShawn Jackson is an idiot for what
he said, and uh, I always say sometimes things that
are being said are so dumb it's it's hard for

(42:21):
people who are of of reasonable intelligence to even understand
what the argument is. So when people started sharing this
Instagram uh post and highlighted, you know, language from DeShawn Jackson,
I was like, I don't even understand what he's saying, right, Um,
and uh, Ultimately, I think if you're quoting Hitler in

(42:41):
a good way, it's probably a bad sign. Right, Let's
just start like, let's just start with that overall prognosis
of overall analysis here. And to me, the bigger story
is not one guy making a dumb comment on social media.
It's the hypocrisy of the NFL, which evidently has this

(43:02):
player's coalition, which is supposed to be aligned in favor
of truth and justice and ending racism and uh and
an inappropriate behavior based on race, religion, anything else. They
haven't said a word, right. Drew Berrees says he's gonna
stand for the national anthem because he thinks kneeling is disrespectful,

(43:23):
and the entire NFL explodes in indignation and outrage. Not
one current NFL player has said or condemned what Deshaun
Jackson said. So to me, it's just hypocrisy. It's easy
to be the victim. It's hard to acknowledge when you
are at fault yourself. And this is what the NBA

(43:46):
players by and large want to do. They want to
blame others, but when one of their own does something stupid,
they don't want to hold him accountable. Correct, And I mean, like, look,
the the uh Stephen Jackson is actually you know, blaming
the Jews and talking about the Jews as bankers, Like

(44:07):
that's actually Hitler's playbook, that's the that's the Romans playbook.
Like this is you know much better than I do. Oh,
I actually don't actually don't I know? You love history
as much as I do. I don't know any more
than you do. I'm just telling you that anybody who
knows anything about history knows this is like, how did
how did they round up the Jews? Well, they said

(44:29):
Jews have all the money, they're greedy, they had caricatures,
they're not they're not loyal, they're they're all that. And
they tried for world domination. And they round him up,
put him in ghettos, eventually shipped them off to to
concentrate gamps, and executed him. You know. Yeah, by the way,
just so we're aware, they also executed gypsies, anyone who
is homosexual, and and and and anybody who's black. Right,

(44:53):
Like that's where if you you clearly don't know anything
about what you're talking about. But my issue, like, there's
a bunch of things. I like, I've had great interaction
with Stephen Jackson. I listen to talk about basketball. He's
he's super interesting. But he had to like google the
rothschild conspiracy theory. You couldn't google Hitler. I just I

(45:17):
where where are these NFL played? Just one guy to
go like, hey man, I can't I can't do this
with the Sean Jackson Stephen Jack where the NBA players
silence is deafening, and we were all told, we're all
told like, hey, man, if you're a white person and
you don't come out to silence, yeah, silence is complicity. Yes,
silent and even silence is violence, which is one of

(45:38):
the stupidest slogans I've ever seen in my life. But
silence is violence. So the silence here is deafening, and
it calls into question all of the arguments made in
favor of social justice, because social justice is not just
for one person, right you're trying to make And this

(45:59):
is this is my biggest issue with the NBA in general. Right,
the n B a uh and and I think the
NFL to a lesser extent because it's more of a
domestic league. But players in the NBA are gonna have
slogans on the back of their jerseys, right, they are
approved slogans by the NBA. They are effectively wearing propaganda
on their jerseys. You could not say free Hong Kong,

(46:20):
or or Trump or to probably be fair, they wouldn't
let you probably say Biden, but they wouldn't let you
say like human rights for all in China or uh,
you know hashtag Chinese democracy, like the number of people
in America who are truly suffering from a lack of

(46:41):
human rights is a pen prick of the number of
people that had don't have basic human rights in in
China right like I would the only point I know
you like to go to the Hong Kong, the China thing,
the only the place I will I will jump off
that one is I and I do think it's hypocritical,
but it is not our country, right. But when when Darryl,

(47:02):
But when Darryl Moray made the decision to say free
Hong Kong, and Lebron James lectured all of us on
the fact that Darryl Moray was misinformed and that uh
that sometimes the First Amendment has bad consequences when he
basically gave all of China's talking points to the American public,

(47:24):
I do think it becomes significant because whether you wanted
to get involved in that debate or not, Daryl Morey's
tweet made it a direct human rights issue for the NBA,
and the NBA boggled that response. And the larger context
that I think in which it's at play is you
can't claim that you are for human rights in America

(47:45):
where we have human rights that the Chinese would dream of,
and then take billions of dollars from Chinese communist government.
Because what they're going to do, make no mistake about this,
when when the NBA players have slow gins on their jerseys,
they're gonna use that as propaganda in China. They're gonna say, see,
look how bad it is in America. These NBA players

(48:09):
don't even have freedom from police killing them, or from
persecution or anything else, and they're going to use that
as evidence of why democracy is not something that China
should aspire to. So the NBA's jerseys are going to
be propaganda for the Chinese government. That would not be
the case if they allowed hashtag free Hong Kong, or

(48:32):
if they allowed somebody to say, you know, human rights
in China. I mean, look in Hong Kong right now.
This is crazy. They are pulling books out of the
library that deal with democracy. That's what China is doing
right now. You will go to jail four years that
the Hong Kong protesters are using the American flag as

(48:52):
a symbol of all that they believe is good in
the world, and we're turning our backs on them. You
know my my my thing is is this is um.
I think nobody wants to hear no anymore. Right, No,
no one wants to hear no anymore. And the jerseys
and the slogan on the floor, like at some point,

(49:16):
like Adam Silver has to say no, right, has to Like,
here's what you have to say no, because you are
you are going to ostracize a good portion of the
people who actually pay your salaries. Not the owners, it's

(49:36):
the fans. And there are fans that don't agree with
everything that you're promoting. Here's something that would make sense.
The NBA probably needs a black commissioner to make that argument, right,
because I think Adam Silver is like, I'm a white guy.
I'm gonna get called racist if I try to stop
any of this from happening. Not fair to Adam Silver,
not fair to Roger Goodell. But if Condoleeza Rice or

(49:59):
the NFL commissioner, she could say things that Roger Goodell
cannot say from pure optics perspective. Now we can talk
about why that's fair or unfair. I don't think it is.
I think we should judge everyone, as Martin Luther King said,
by the content of your character, not by the color
of your skin, but the way the media behaves today.
Condoleeza Rice as the commissioner of the NFL could get

(50:20):
away with arguments that Roger Goodell because we could not.
And I think Adam Silver is worried that if he
stands up to NBA players and says, hey, you know what,
I don't think names on the jersey is a good decision.
There's also the possibility here we haven't heard it talked
about a lot, that this is part of a large compromise,
and Adam Silver cares more about players standing for the
national anthem than he does about jersey slogans. And so

(50:43):
the NBA players are getting Black Lives Matter on the court,
and they're getting jersey slogans, and in exchange, they're not
going to kneel for the anthem. I don't know that
that's happened. I don't know if that's the case, but
I don't think I I don't think that can be
the part where he says, no, I just don't I
get I get, I get, I get two more. Uh
click Travis join us to gotlip show a Fox Sports
radio UH. Kaepernick's tweet on the fourth July call, he said,

(51:07):
you know, will not celebrate a holiday that celebrates white supremacy,
its white supremacist holiday. And now you know he's got
a documentary. It's gonna come out in a couple of years,
obviously with done by ESPN and Jamal Hill, which is
the whole thing is comical. Um um, Is he employable?
Like there was there was there was a moment there

(51:27):
where you're like, oh, Goodell kind of made it seem
like he's employable. Now. I don't think that. I think
with that tweet he doesn't want I think that was
the I don't want to I want to be a
I want to be a martyr. He doesn't want to
be employed. Look, first of all, he's not gonna make
much money because we know that Cam Newton and Jamis
Winston and Andy Dalton are all more accomplished backups than

(51:48):
Jamis Winston I mean, sorry than uh than Colin Kaepernick,
and none of them got big money. So I mean
I think Andy Dalton might have gotten three million dollars. Uh,
Jamis Winston got a million roughly, and so did Cam Newton.
The market four backup quarterbacks in the NFL who are
far more accomplished than Colin Kaepernick is at most a
couple of million dollars a year. He's making more than
that from from Disney and ESPN to make a documentary

(52:11):
which will be a total fraudulent documentary that's designed to
make him look like a hero. We know this already
even before it's made. I mean, that's why he's doing it.
But he makes more money as a person who claims
that America is an awful place than he does as
an actual athlete. And that's been my biggest criticism of
Nike and everybody else from the get go. Colin Kaepernick,

(52:31):
to my mind, is the first athlete in the history
of America to make infinitely more money not playing sports
than he does playing sports. It used to be a
Nike shoe deal was a hallmark of excellence. Now it's
a hallmark of just being able to create outrage. And
it certainly is a tremendous irony when you get filthy

(52:52):
rich in America by arguing that America is an awful place.
I'm not sure there's any other country in the world
where that's possible. Well, I mean, I've I've I've heard
a lot of racism all time high heard from Stephen Jackson,
which is one of the dumbest comments of the year.
We had the civil we had the Civil War. It
happened here, so crow, we had race Bryant. Even let's
taken outside of America. The history of the world is

(53:15):
one where slavery occurred everywhere. Everywhere. When you when you
defeated another tribe, you made that either killed everybody or
you made them your slaves. Right, I mean, like that's
the Greek Empire women, right that that's like literally happened everywhere.
So uh so the idea that that racism is an

(53:35):
all time high, now, I mean, has anybody ever seen
the Roman Empire? I mean, has anybody ever seen the
history of It's I thought History Channel was really interesting
and it's a great watch. Apparently barely apparely most people
on social media think history began like the day Donald
Trump was elected. Uh Clay Travis joined us out kicked

(53:55):
the coverage. You have been a coronavirus denier. No, I
wouldn't say them deny or I just the coronavirus. We
is exist. But we shouldn't change the way that the
entire world lives. And certainly we should like the kids
need to be back in school this fall. Oh, the
problem with the kids in school is the problem with
not having them in school is how did their parents

(54:16):
go to work? The problem with having them in school
is not the kids themselves, it's everything else. Right, all
the data doesn't reflect that they transmit vectors of them.
But you're going, but you have all the other adults
coming to the campus is part of the issue, right, Yeah,
But I think if you if you, if you don't
want to teach, you shouldn't have to teach. If you're
an older teacher, maybe go ahead and decide to sit

(54:37):
this year out. But that the the impact in a
negative way to me of kids not being in school.
I know you've got young kids too, is far more
substantial than the risk of them. Look, I get it.
I'm just wondering. We would all agree that the IVY
League pretty smart folks, right, they're saying they no no
fall sports now. But college is a college is the luxury, right,

(54:59):
It's not of necessity if you have a kid who's
a first or second grader or a third Okay, but
what what happened? What happened? But like, let's I don't
want to get an argument with you on the elementary school.
Do do we have college football this year? I think so,
I really do in what form? I think it's possible that, uh,
the non conferences are not going to happen, you know,

(55:20):
the games out of conference. Do you think people understand
the financial ramifications. No, for college towns and for all
of these none. Um, let's just say BCS schools. They
make the money for the athletic departments on those guarantee games.
But then the college towns, the Tuscaloosa's of the world
and Knoxvilles, they make huge money having those those guarantee games.

(55:41):
I don't think people understand how much this effects an economy.
Oh no, most people are too dumb to understand the
business impact. Like I talk on my show about there's
you either think like an owner or you think like
an employee. And of Americans are comfortable thinking like employees,
and so they don't think about the larger context of
busines this or how any of that is constructed and

(56:02):
set up. I mean, look, Stanford just canceled in the
last couple of hours. I think a huge number of
athletic duh, you know, sports, and and Stanford is one
of the wealthiest universities in the country. Um all, every
athletic department is predicated on football existing everywhere everywhere. It's
where the money comes in. UM. And so I think

(56:23):
what might end up happening before all of a sudden done.
First of all, I think, like the bowl season, that's
done right. Like, I think what's gonna end up happening
is conferences might just expand the conference uh, you know,
games themselves, and try to limit the overall amount of travel.
I think it's likely that maybe the only people who
can be present are some kids and then the high

(56:44):
end donors who have access to the luxury suites, because
luxury suites sort of naturally socially distance. UM. But I
don't care. I've been on this train for the whole time.
I don't care about crowds, right, Like, as long as
I can watch a game on television, I have zero
interest in how many people are there. And I say
that as a guy who's got season tickets to football games. Um,
as long as I can watch the game take place

(57:05):
on television, I'm fine. Clay Travis, the show is outkicked
the coverage, so is the website. Check it out, Clay,
get some get some rest. We'll talk to you Sin.
I appreciate it, my man. Keep up the good work.
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