May 23, 2025 • 45 mins
Doug Gottlieb in for Colin
Thoughts on how LeBron James will probably end his career
The Thunder have taken a commanding 2-0 lead against the Timberwolves
What to think of SGA being called the free throw merchant
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What I've Doug Gottliebin for Colin heard, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio App. Welcome in. So last night, Oklahoma City took
a two game to non lead and stopping. You heard
this before, but Shake Gilden Alexander dominant not just from
the two but also from the one from the free
throw line. What do you make thirteen out of fifteen
free throws? Anthony Edwards the ant man unavailable postgame. Obviously,
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considering all the hype and the desire to be kind
of the next dude, has not yet looked like the
next dude in these last two games. But I think
I think here's the distinction that people need to make.
This is a real thing. So when you go on
social media, you'll get people who will say, who are
you know, and and look, full disclosure, I have numerous
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friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I
think they do a great job, and I love watching
this team play. But there's there's no there just isn't
a world in which we somehow deny that shake Gildess.
Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest highest variety, right,
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and and he's a good one. And oh yeah, by
the way, he's also taking advantage of how the game
is officiated now as opposed to how it used to
be officiated. And here's what I and and but here's
the special distinction. Okay, Like I will see on social
media people say Michael Jordan shot nine more frethrows the game,
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and he probably did. Remember when Michael Jordan played and
they played the Detroit Pistons and what was called the
Jordan rules, They would pummel him when he go to
the basket. They would intentionally foul him because up until
his first championship run, he didn't trust his teammates. He
wouldn't pass on that penetration. He try and win it
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on his own. And so yeah, he shot a lot
of free thows. Michael Jordan shot a lot of frethos.
Michael Jordan got calls. There's no question the difference in Jordan,
Bird Magic, even Kobe Okay was what they didn't do
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was like this next step. It started with Harden with
throwing the head back, but Shay will he falls down?
I mean in game one, how many times did he
fall down? And it's interesting, like you love him, people
are like, oh, he keeps getting fouled. If you hate him,
you're like, dude, fouls. He falls down more than Joel
Embiidho falls down a lot. But now he's gotten caught.
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And he's great at this, at locking in his arm
inside somebody else's arm who's guarding them so contact is made,
and then throwing his hand up in his arm up
and his head back and getting a foul like he
is a Piicasso at being a few a foul garnering artiste.
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He's a picasso. He does it better than anybody else.
But it's really hard to sit there and go like
I love watching this march to the free throw line,
and I understand you can sit there again. Go Jordan
and Bird and all these guys they used to go
to the free throw line. There were more of the
spectacular variety plays because they weren't going free throw line
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or pivot, pivot, pivot, mid range, pull up really close
to he's It's like talking on both sides of your
mouth when you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James
Harden's an amazing player, an amazing player, and in many ways,
James Harden's a better player in his prime then Shay
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Gildas Alexander is, because Harden had some of the same
foul drawing abilities, only he was an elite passer and
Chase he's a good passers. Nothing's truly special about him
as a passer. Nothing's truly special about him. A three
point shooter, he's unbelievable mid range and six feet in.
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It seems like he never misses. And then he has
the ability to draw fouls. He's the best of these
free throw merchants. But if you just throw out raw
stats and you go, hey, mj I mean again, the
difference would be Michael Jordan was driving into a lane
where there were two guys, and and yeah sometimes there
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were phantom calls, no question, But what he wasn't doing
was he wasn't locking up somebody else's arm driving to
the basket and then all of a sudden releasing the
arm and flailing back and falling down at the second
of releasing the basketball in order to gain a foul.
Like that's just he didn't do it. So I get
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what the stats look like, but you can't. You can't
fool the hardcore basketball fan and as as likable, hell
as lovable as he is, right, Like, dude gets up there.
And I don't know what it is about Oklahoma City guys,
but when they win the MVP, they always just say
the right thing. Go back to Russell. Russell Westbrook was
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the the you know, the basketball is my only friend
type deal. But but Kevin rant talked about his mom
being the real MVP, and Shay Gills Alexander talked about
his wife. It was beautiful, like this is not an
indictment on him the person, really indictment on him, the player.
It's an indictment on where we've gotten to. In an
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effort to make the game more offense friendly, the offense
gets to dictate contact and all these other things. And
now we've gotten to the place where the offense will
intentionally make not just contact, but grab the defender in
an effort to act like they're being grabbed, and yeah,
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I don't know how much you guys watched last night,
but there was a point in the game where, you know,
one of the Timboles players just pushed him, and then
when they're drawing back and forth in the lane, he's like, hey,
stop flopping, bro, stop flopping, you know. And look, the
story to Oklahoma City is they're playing more of a
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college style defense, right, really really pressuring the basketball. That's
the other thing. Right, So we're not allowed to get
anywhere near Shay Gildess Alexander, we put our hands anywhere
near him, he grabs them and acts like, which you're
allowed to do. We teach our guys to do that. Hey,
so it puts their hand on you, it's your hand.
But you go from that to the other end where
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Oklahoma say's playing super physical on the ball defensively, and
then what's called a loaded up defense just feet and
hands and bodies as much in the paint. So you're
playing one on five or at least one on two
more than one on one. There's just no spacing there
like it is against other teams. It's a better coach
defensive team that is daring you to make skip passes
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and skip passes into drives or skip passes into jump shots,
and the Timbolves aren't doing it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
But the juxtaposition of how the game is officiated at
each end, and again a lot of it is style.
You know, Oklahoma City they do what Rick Patino's teams
have famously done, which is they foul on every play,
with the idea that you can't call them all an
unwatchable game if you call a foul on every possession.
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So if you have greater depth than everybody else, you
get up in them. One, once you establish contact, they
don't usually call contact fouls. Two, you know if you
do get in a foul trouble, you got the numbers
to withstand a little foul trouble. And three there's the
you know, it's not just style, it's they're playing at
home and the place is getting crazy. But they're also
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playing help orings defense. So even if you go by
the guy that has his hands on you, they're forcing
you to make that next pass. But it's really interesting
that you're watching Shay and how he plays, and you know,
I was at Game seven. I shared this on my show.
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It's Doug Gottliebin for Collin. It's the hurt Fox Sport tradio.
I heart Radiop. I went to Game seven between the
Nuggets and the Thunder, and I wasn't the crowd is incredible, right,
It's like it really is like a college crowd. People
ask what was this so cool about playing at Oklhoma
State when you were there? It's that's what the crowd
was like every night. Unbelievable. But I'm standing in front
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of some guy who behind me. Every time jo Kids
draws the valies like free throw march it, You're like, well,
I I get it. Jokic does draw fowls and does
throw his hands into people and do all kind of
the classic ways to draw fowls. But you do know
that Shay is like if if there's different rankings or
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different chess pieces, if Yokic is the king, then he's
the queen. If Yokic is the queen, then he's the
king of free throw merchant try. And I don't know
if there's a cottage industry a free throw merchant tree,
or if you need a bachelor's or master's degree, but
he's got a doctorate. But it makes it really really hard.
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And it's also one of those things where the difference
between now and the Jordan era is HTTV four K
and how good the replays are where you're sitting there
going like, yeah, I don't think he was actually touched
and yet he fell down. You know, look, if the
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Thunder win the title, it probably doesn't matter. But this
does feel like, do you guys remember when Dwayne Wade
and the Dallas Mavericks beat the excuse me, Dayne Wade
in the Miami Heat beat the Dallas Mavericks in the
NBA Finals, and it was just a constant march to
the free throw line where it almost felt predetermined that
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the NBA wanted to make Dwayne Wade a star. I
don't think that's what happened. I think again, it's just adjusting,
adjusting the rules, and you're sitting there going, hey, the
offensive player has all the benefits of these rules, so
much so now that Shay is actually creating the contact,
grabbing the other player, locking up his arm and then
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making it out is that that arm is grabbing him.
This is you know, yesterday we talked about the tush
push still being allowed. You know, they've gotten away from
guys just throwing back their head and now Shay has
taken it to another level where he kind of falls
to the side and it's constantly making faces and noises
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even when he's not getting touched. I do wonder what
adjustment they can make in terms of stylistically or rules wise,
or emphasis wise and officiat in the future. It is
that widely discussed, and I think it's because he's the
best at it. He's the MVP. It's obvious what he's doing. Hey,
coming up next, Lebron's agents talking about him moving. Is
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there any chance he changes teams? We'll discuss next in
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Up, It's The Herd. Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome, Welcome,
Welcome in, I got the Weird heard line News Soria
a little bit more on the tush Bush still being
allowed guests, who says, Hey, tuish bush cool play not
using it because I'm just a man, new head coach
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in the NFL. We'll get to that. It's in about
twenty minutes. Plus Mike Malone, who he was kind of
feeling himself a little bit as doing some ESPN analysis,
he happened to say that Shay Gildas Alexander should be
the MVP. Now he's backpedaling faster than Dione used to backpedal.
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Is the best cornerback of all time. There's a lot
to get to. Mark Dominical join us. We'll ask him
about brock Perty's new contract. In brock Purty saying he's
a top ten quarterback in the NFL. It's like brock
Purty is a is a radio producer or a TV
segment producer. Hey, I'm top ten quarterback in the NFL.
You know everybody loves their lists. Let me start with
this though, So technically, Lebron James has a player option. Right,
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a player option, so he can not sign or out
his player option, become a free agent and essentially pick
where he wants to go. Right, But Lebron James at
forty years old, well, his options are kind of limited. Nonetheless,
Rich Paul, his agent, was on the Rich Eisen Show
and he asked about Lebron's upcoming player option this this offseason.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
I think they've been on pins and needles for a while.
I think I don't know about that, though I wish
I had the answer, Rich, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
So you don't have conversations with him about how much
longer he wanted to Okay it.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
No, I don't have I don't have conversations like that.
I just I go into each year like he's continued
to play. I never even like talk about that. I
don't talk about that. Well, I mean, you are his
agent and his best friend. So look, we can just
cut to the brass tacks. Lebron's not going anywhere, right.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
They just drafted his son, and I'm sure he wants
to leverage some of whatever farewell tour he has to
potentially draft his other son, Bryce was gonna be a
freshman year Zona. I'm sure that's probably part of the
weight on his mind. Right, Is this the last year?
Or do I wait another year and make that the
last year? And we could act like a Lebron he
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could just walk away at any time. But does anyone
think that a guy who has gotten and honestly earned
as much attention as he as he's gotten, Like we
can sit there and say a lot of these things
are attention getting things, But I mean, have we seen
a guy play as consistently well for twenty years in
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the NBA. No, No, is he as good as he
used to be. No, but to those of us who
remember Kareem playing at forty, he was much more of
a shell of his former incredible self. So again, I'm
not I'm not the guy that's sitting there hating on
Lebron telling you, oh my god, Lebron wants attention. Like, look,
when you've gotten this much attention since you were sixteen
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years old, and you've lived up to and probably exceeded
anybody's reasonable expectations for what you could do or how
well you could do it, or how long you could
do it, how well you could do it, You're gonna
get a bunch of attention. And it's a really, really
hard lifestyle to get out of. It just is. But
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but if we're honest, he's not going anywhere, and he's
not retiring without some sort of ceremonious retirement celebration. You know,
I Kareem wants far less attention. Yet Kareem did the
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whole tour after becoming the all time leading scorer in
the game. Lebron likes the attention, likes it again, And
you can sit there and go o he Lebron or
whatever like No, I just don't know anybody who would
just dispute that. It's not like he's pushing away attention
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to his private life, to his off off court conversation.
So he wants attention to that. So you know, he's
got his production company, that's his little baby. He makes,
makes movies and does documentaries out of it. All great.
All that requires attention that hey we have this here,
and you get that through Lebron James getting attention. But
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I mean, this is like a nonsensical question. You know,
he's got a player option because if he really, really
really wanted to win in LA, he would go, hey,
here's what we'll do. Let's opt out of this, sign
a minimal deal or a small deal over a couple
of years, and then let's go go to work and
go get me some guys that can play some defense.
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I don't you know. And when he talked about when
Rich talks about the Lakers being on pins and needles, like,
is that is that what you need? Is that? Because
that's that's obviously leverage that why would you do this?
You would only do it is if you want to
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have some sort of power order the organization that you
play for, right, and he used and he wielded that
power to get them to draft Bronnie and play Bronnie
way above the level of his competency at the time
which he was drafted. And whether Bronnie becomes a full
time NBA player and a guy who's a reasonable rotation
player is has actually nothing to do with the farce
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that took place last offseason. Because last off season we
were told there's also there was multiple teams interested there
weren't you know? You had JJ Reddick in one of
his first press conferences saying he earned he earned where
he was drafted. He didn't. Again, it doesn't mean that
you can't draft a guy. You're allowed to draft a
guy and say, hey, you know he went through a
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hard issue. He had a hard first year at USC,
but we see the futures being bright. But sit there
and go like, well he earned it, like doing what?
But nonetheless, that was all because lebron has power and
leveraged it, and he's like, look, I don't want to
leave LA, but I also want to help raise my kid,
coach my kids, see my kid grow. You guys are
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going to draft him he'll play some with us in
some of the G League travel with him. It'll be
awesome experience. And I'm sure for Brownie it probably was
outside of a lot of the yachting on it. And
for Lebron too, Right, Yeah, some of that stuff, you know,
strikes close to home and really hurt him. But when
he zooms out, he's like, I got to spend a
whole year with my son in and out of the
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NBA probably wants to do with Bryce. Whether that Brice
isn't even as good as Brownie, so he has power.
He's trying to leverage that power. That's the only reason
for doing it, because at some point you start talking
about this stuff and guys just rolling their eyes, like
he's not going to retire without a without a proper sendoff.
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The league wouldn't want him to do that either. And
we can act like the league is, well, it's like
something nefarious from the league. It's not. It's not. The
league could have done with Jordan. They would have done
it with Jordan, but with Lebron. I mean is that
they don't want to kill the Golden Goose. They want
him around as long as possible. They just want to
keep milking it and you can sit there and go like,
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I'm tired of Lebron. But if it comes out and
Lebron says, hey, this is my retirement tour, You're going
and gobbling up those tickets. You're going to watch TV
a lot more because it's Lebron. He's Haley's comment. It
ain't coming around for another eighty seven years. By the way, Jays, dude,
you think people who are like under forty get the
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Haley's comment reference. I feel like that's a really dated
our age reference of Haley's comment because Haley's comment hasn't
been around in like forty years and won't be around
for another forty years, And unless you were a kid
or adult live through it, you have no idea what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I think it's I think it's a pretty tangible reference
for any educated generation. But I guess that's saying a lot.
That's assuming that our kids are being educated.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, I start making Is there a TikTok on Haley's comment?
Is there an Instagram reel on Haley's comment?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
You'll get You'll get the first ten TikTok results will
be Haley was it? What's a what's Hilly Bieber. No,
the Haley is the wife of the Bills quarterback what's
her name? Seinfeld Seenfeld Ryan Smith here is a big
Marvel fan. She was one of the Marvel characters. Steinfeld Seinfeld.
There he goes, Seinfeld, go pass all the Hailey Stein
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Carls s.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, there's a lot of other Haley's. A matter of fact,
there is kind of a rush on Haley's that are
older teenagers. Right, that's a that's a big name. Maybe
that came from our generation. And Haley's comment and saying, hey,
I kind of like this name Haley. Who is the
first to name their kid Aiden? Because I know fifteen
aidents who are under twenty. I don't know anybody over
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twenty named Maiden. I just want to point that out.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Speaking thing one thing about this. So, it was a
little less than a year ago we all witnessed that ruse,
that circus where the Lakers tried to convince the public
that Browny was a legitimate draft prospect. Sure, and then
they they drafted him and said that he earned it,
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and then they you know, they signed, they gave him
the guaranteed deal for a second round pick. You're saying
to me that Lebron would compel a historic franchise like
the Lakers to do something embarrassing like that and lie
to the public and then not come back after one year.
I mean, isn't doesn't he have? Doesn't he does he
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owe the Lakers something for that massive favor of being
able to play with his son and do that thing
where he invited the Griffies in and nobody cared but him,
doesn't he owe the Lakers at least one more season?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I mean, I think the answer in terms of reality
is yes. But in terms of Lebron, does he think
he owes them that? I don't think the answer is yes.
I just don't. And and you know what, he might
have a little bit of a point, right, because he
has He didn't play every game, but from fourty years
old a game a lot, and he does compete to win,
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and he is a gigantic name. So does he owe
it to them? Of course he owes it to them.
But again you're looking at this as a non parent,
rational human being that hasn't had fame thrust upon them
and been told they could do no wrong like he went.
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He had his show called The Shop right, which was
the barber shop, and he actually sued Nick Saban because
they had a similar show, because he believed he invented
barbershop conversation being recorded, like what what do you think?
The essence of first take is what are we even
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talking about? But when you live in a world where
everybody just says, hey, whatever you say, King, it's really
hard to tell if up is up and down is down.
And so yeah, if it's me, if my son, who's
not clearly qualified even close to as his son is, Hey, dude,
we're gonna draft you in the second round and give
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you a guaranteed contract, I'd be unbelievably grateful. It's the
type of thing that you do for a life long friend. Man,
that's a real solid. I truly appreciate it. If there's
ever a way I can I can help you, you know,
return the favor you just ask. That's how normal reasonable
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relationships to It's not a quid pro quo. You take
care of me, I take care of you. It's like, Hey,
that's a real solid. I appreciate it. I feel so
close to the Lakers organization. That's just not what we've
heard come out of Lebron or come out of Rich
Paul an example, Hey, they're they're on what do you say?
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They're on eggs shells? Why are they on eggshells? Like
you're his agent, you're his best friend. They did a
ma solid like, Look, the Lakers are completely lockstep with Lebron.
They know everything he wants to do. They've done right
by him. He's going to do right by them. They'll
come to a mutual desistant. But that's not what you hear.
That's not what you hear.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You hear.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I don't know they wait on eggshells. He's got a
lot of options. No, he doesn't. His option is come
back and play, figure out how he wants to play,
how they can go and get you know, legit defenders
to go along with their their best three players. We're
all offensive players. I don't think it's a championship makeup
or championship roster. And if he wants it to be
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his last year, give him the heads up. It's his
last year so that the whole league can do the
proper celebration. And if you want to push back on
a proper celebration because Jordan didn't have one, just know that, Like, look, Lebron,
James will Is it nine straight NBA finals, four titles.
He's in any conversations the greats of all time, and
he's done it for a long time. And I continue
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to say this. If the worst thing that he's done
is forced the Lakers to draft Brownie and play him
and do that whole dog and pony show, that ain't
that bad. Most other superstars have done far worse, far worse,
and especially off the court, there's never been a whisper
of anything. So I've Doug Gotlieben for Colin coming up
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in the Herd. The NFL teams are ready for another season.
Are you ready for another season of the tush Push?
We'll get into that next in the Herd.
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Speaker 3 (25:47):
Mark Dominic joins us. Of course, he joins me weekly
in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trader. This
is the Herd Zone for Colin on a Memorial Day weekend, Mark,
let me let me ask you why why would have
Ben Johnson say I like explosive plays instead of the
toush push?
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (26:04):
I think it just sounds good, right, it's for the fans, right,
It's it's kind of the what you were just talking about.
It's like, I can I can create something that's more
dynamic and more exciting than the toush push, which is
you know, uh, I guess a play that you know
everybody knows is coming when it gets lined up. So
I gotta think that's the whole reason. He's just trying
again to state that he can create explosive plays and
fans want that.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
There there are two votes away, so again, how long
do you think this play lasts?
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I hope they don't get it. I think the play
should last.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
I mean, it's unique that the Philadelpha Eagles are the
only ones that are really good at it, right, And
that's and there's a lot to be said about you know,
they're timing and everything coming together, and you've touched briefly
about it. You know, Cam Jurgen's comes in there, and
now's the starting center built completely different than Kelsey, but
a very powerful maler but just you know, a much
more higher cut guy where Kelsey is a lower cut,
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you know, quick twitch, and they had no problem with
it because Scam can move mountains. He's a powerful kid.
I don't think you should out lot. I think it
is what it is, and you know, I think you
just got to figure out how to stop it or
slow it down. And if you can't do it, then push,
push stage, get him in third and you know, three
not third and one.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Mark Domins our guest, you're on in the heard. I'm
Doug Gottley Pavilion for Colin rock Perty's deal. How does
the GM look at it?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Well, I think it's I think it's not surprising. I
think you and I had been talking about I was hoping,
you know, this would come in forty five to fifty
with incentives, and it comes in around fifty two. I
don't think it's a shocking deal to any general manager.
I think they all kind of look at it like,
you know, that's just what the rate is, and obviously
he's getting less than the starting rate quote unquote for
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every club. I think it's somewhat of a fair deal
across the board. I think it's certainly a good narrative
for brock Pertty and you know, being mister irrelevant to
now signing this deal, to seeing what else is in
his chapter of his NFL career, but it's also you know,
brock Perty's you know, it's not I need the entire
bag and I want to bank and this all and
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that it's a good that I think that the forty
nine ers still have a little wiggle room with their
roster even though they just did a contract extension with
a quarterback, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
And also did one with Fred Warner. What are your
thoughts on the guys they let go, because one of
the thoughts I had was some of those guys they
didn't really want back, like Deebo Samuel. I don't think
they wanted Deebo Samuel back anyway, but they made it
a casualty of the Brock party thing, and it made
it much more convenient. What are your thoughts on the
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percentage of those guys name guys that they had to
part ways with that they are really kind of over anyway,
and this just allowed them to do so well.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I think Deebo I agree with you.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
I think Deebo was give or take basically the Deebo's frustration.
Sometimes we've talked about how I feel very strong about
what Ricky.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Pierce I was going to do. I think Drake Greenlaw
was one they didn't want to let go. I think
that one hurt.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
I think that they really love that kid and what
he's been able to do and what he's all been through.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I think those are the ones where it kind of
burns is a little bit. I bet you for.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
John Lynch, certainly for coach Shanahan to lose a guy that's,
you know, been a warrior four years since you had them.
So I think those hurt that. You know that that's
just part of the game, and so they had to
make these tough decisions with guys that they do, like,
you know, Aaron Banks went out and broke, you know,
crushed it in Green Bay with a huge contract. Would
they like to have Aaron. I'm sure they would have,
But I think they realized, hey, look, there's only so
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many things we can do, and you know, there are
certain positions we can't pay, and it's going to be hard.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
You know, Dominic Poney came in and played really good
at guard. It's hard to pay.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Guards in the Nation Football where you're paying your tackles.
It's hard to pay linebackers in the Nation Football when
you're paying your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And so they went to the positions that I think
are always going to get.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
A little bit more dinged or you can't pay as
many guys, and that's linebacker, that's safety, that's running back badly,
and that's in tier offensive line.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
You can't pay three guys inside.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
We mentioned we're looking for like a phrase for the Saints.
Is there any way they're competitive with this roster and
with the quarterback play they seem to have.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
I know, it's a you know, it's a it's a
tough job for coach Moore. Uh, you know, the personnel
there and the cap has been hard. It feels like
an angst bag over your head this year for them.
I'm I'm afraid. I just I think the other teams,
even the Carolina Panthers, I think, are you know, trying
to improve the roster, working on getting the better and
stronger roster, certainly be with the wide receiver room. That's
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the way it is set down in Carolina. Uh, this
is a team that I just I don't feel confident
in the quarterback class. And when you're the fourth you
know you're you've got the worst quarterback of the four
teams in your division. That makes for a really long year.
And I think that's what the SAME's fans have to endure.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
What do you think the progression is in Cleveland with
you know, they got got four quarterbacks plus Deshaun, but
Deshawn's had multiple achilles, so I mean the likelihood of
him to ever taken a step again isn't great. But
what what how is that handled? What's the progression like
in terms of reps, in terms of opportunities when you
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have just four kind of unique quarterback prospects like like
Flacco and like Trubisky and then the two rookies.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's weird.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
I mean you look at Flacco and I would guess
that he's going to.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Get the least.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
I mean, he may get first team reps. I know
they talked about Kenny Pickett getting first team reps.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Uh that's a picket.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Sorry, I said, it's all right.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
We talk a lot of sports, which sometimes you're allowed
to get a name mixed uff. So you know, Kenny
Pickett I think is you know, probably just going to
get an opportunity. What's going to happen is Joe Blacko
is going to be the one that probably doesn't see
as much preseason work, doesn't see he'll still get the work.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
But they don't need to see a lot out of
Joe Blaco.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
I don't think they need to find out these young
three to see if they like any of them more
than the other. And this will be a chance for
Shadu or saying with Dylan and Kenny Pickett. I think
that they're going to spread it around. They may start
each one of those young guys as a starter in
the preseason game, just to give him the start out
of the tunnel and say what do you look like? Uh,
But certainly it's hard, you know, you get all these
reps right now, and certainly Camps is going to be
the heart and part the stuff we don't get to
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see the classroom. The the ability to you know, regarditate
what's going on, you know, in in the classroom and
be able to you know, see how they can parlay
that to the field. It's going to be the big
difference for all three of these guys, and to see
how they can do that. Canny Picketts weaknesses his arm
strength and I don't know if he can fix that. Gabriel
you know, to me there's a little bit of an
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accuracy thing.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And Shador, you know, he seems to be handling everything
very well right now.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
I like the way he's being quoted in what he's saying,
So I think it's pretty open there.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah, it's it's a fascinating one. Okay, if you're in Pittsburgh,
how long how much longer do you give Aaron Rodgers
to make a call in this deal?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (32:40):
I really want Aaron there for the Veteran Mini camp, Doug.
I need him there by then to kind of at
least take the reins, have the playbook under your velfare,
you know, even over the weekend, and just go out
there be around the players before you come back to
camp and show up. I think that's really kind of
my drop dead time. And so I think he's got,
you know, a couple of weeks left here before you know,
Phisburgh has their Veteran Mini camp, and I would think
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that that's what they're waiting on.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
You're in the You're your same position you have with Tampa,
only in Chicago. You know this story that's come out,
the book that's come out with Seth Seth bick or
Sham'm talking about Katle Williams in the draft process where
he said, you know, or his dad said, that's where
quarterbacks go to die, you want to be a Viking?
Obviously they have a tremendous head coach and tremendous system
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and probably better weaponry. Nonetheless, it doesn't look good. You
don't ever say you want to be a Viking when
you're a bear. Well, what's the conversation like between GM
and starting quarterback?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Well, I think.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
I think it's it's GM and and father is what
I really would start with. You know, I left the quarterback.
You don't like to let the quarterback handle with the
head coach, and then like coach Johnson talked to him
knowing that, you know, we would talk first, and then
I would I would call, you know, the father. I
mean obviously have a conversation with him about like what
are we what are we trying to accomplish here? Like
what's the goal?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
What do you want?
Speaker 7 (34:00):
Because you're making it harder and there's no reason to
make it any harder on your son. That's all you're
doing now, you're creating even more fan disappointment. If he struggles,
it's going to be even harder for him, you know.
And so that's the conversation. I'd be happy with the dads,
Like we just need to dial everything down. He just
needs to go out there, say the right things, do
the right things. We've done everything we can for your son.
In terms of offensive line, I feel like it's as
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good it's ever been. But you know, I think it's
more of a conversation with the dad, and I think
the coach handles the player.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Let's circle back. Mark Dominick, our guest here in the heard,
I'm Doug Gottlie Chillian for Colin rock Perty said he's
a top ten quarterback? Is he right.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
As a winner? I'd say yes. As a As a tools,
I would say no. You know, I think I think
if you sit there and say, okay, just give me
the winners, I want the guys that are the best
of the best, and show me what that looks like.
You know, I think he's in that top ten conversation
when you think about quarterbacks and like he's the best quarterback.
You know, I think you have to personally, even though
you know Jayden Daniels, you know mahomes Alan, you can
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start going down to some of these guys. Lamar Jackson obviously,
you know, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Or Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
It's hard, Joe Burrow, it's hard to get in the
top ten, but I think he's very close. But as
a winner, I think he's a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well is that the goal of the whole thing? I mean,
that's that's where I'm I'm trying, like, I'll give you
I'll just a question. Okay, start at zero, Justin Herbert
or brock Perdy.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I will take Justin Herbert still.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Okay, and all those other quarterbacks we established established previously, right,
you're talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, whatever, Marjin Yeah, yeah,
but I do think the difference is like, well they
already have been San Francisco, so it's we make it
out like you got to choose. But he's he's very
much on the board there. But again, so in terms
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of winner, you're talking about intangibles, whereas he doesn't have
the tangibles of a top ten quarterback. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
That's exactly right. That's how I feel.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
And then that's the only thing that keeps him Like
do you sit there and say Jalen hurt or a
himn You know there's part that maybe he.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Does better than Jalen, but there's Jalen has.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
Been a great winner, you know, since he's been in there.
You know, Jay Daniels, maybe it's a little early to
crown him up there and put him that high, but
what he was able to accomplish with that Washington roster
in his rookie season, it's hard for me not to
put him in that conversation with those guys.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
So I love Brock Purty.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
You know, I've been a Brock pretty fan since the beginning,
even through the injuries and everything. I thought this was
a great story. But he also you know, just the
way he carries himself and handles everything. I'm just saying
from a pure you know, arm talent, legs talent, Brockbritty
doesn't fall in there. But he's brought pretty worthy of
that contract he just signed.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yes, he is interesting.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Mark, great stuff, enjoy the weekend. Thanks for our guest
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Thank you, Doug, enjoyed you too.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
That's Mark Domin. It's spent over twenty years in the
NFL front offices, in scouting and of course former gentle manager
of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'll tell you this, Jay Stuh,
you had had to know and do. I think it
was the sponsor deal. I do, But when he gets
those Toyota Tacoma trds for all of his offensive linemen,
Like that is a bold again, has to be a
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sponsorship deal. But otherwise you gotta know you're getting paid,
Like you have to know you're not getting paid. You're
getting paid. And I am looking both ways before I
cross the street. I'm not I'm I'm wrapping myself in
bubble wrap, right because one of those those gotta run
in the sixties, right, So if you go sixty times
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and you're not just buying a kid just by the
starting line, mean you got to buy all those all
those meatheads, like eight of them, right, eight of them.
You're talking like half a million dollars. If if you're
spending your own money on those trds. He had to
know he was getting paid. That's otherwise it's a bold
move when the the amount that you're paying in cars
for your lineman for protecting you is the same amount
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you're making per year.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
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Speaker 3 (38:00):
Doug Gottliebin for Collins The Hurt Foxports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
I think look not everything about the new generation is bad, right,
we do this, and if you listen to the show,
I'm Doug Gottlieb, my Steam producer, Jason Stewart joining me
today and Jay Stu. You do like to point out
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how some of the hypocrisies, some of the bizarre stuff
that gen Z is into, and how they all have
to have their feelings heard and vindicated, and how different
is from how we were brought up. Right, like we
do it. It's pretty easy to poke fun at some
of this stuff, but not all of it is bad. Right,
(38:47):
Let's not act like everything in the New generation is bad.
And I give you Tyrese Halbert. Tyres Albert was an
overlooked player, right ak Kim. He's from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He
went to Iowa State. It wasn't there was great fanfare,
and he just worked and worked and worked. And again,
even now with the most overrated player mantra that he
carries because of a player poll, he doesn't. Not only
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does he not shrink from the moment hitting what was
an incredible shot, although he double dribbled. I mean, anybody
sees a video, you can say, well he got fouled,
but he also double dribbled. If he gets fouled, then
it's two free throws, and then the Knicks get the
ball back, you know, after the two free throws. But nonetheless,
I don't know if you saw this, but Haliburton was
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asked by ESPN about being the most overrated he says,
I love external motivation. Somebody's talking, ish, I want to
know because I want to go back at them. And
don't get me wrong, talking trash in basketball is as
old as the game itself, although I'm not really sure
that doctor James Nasmith, who invented it for aerobic activity,
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was really into the trash talking, even when he was
the least successful coach in the history of Kansas basketball,
right Like, I don't think he was. I don't think
James R. Natesmith was a big trash talk guy. But
since it became kind of a city game in probably
I don't know, the thirties, forties, Definitely the fifties and sixties,
trash talk has been a part of it, and I
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don't know if we try and take it out of it.
It's just sometimes the women's stuff is well over the top.
And then you know, obviously there's moments where like his
dad coming on the court, like what are you doing.
But here's what I do like from the gen Z
generation is because they've grown up with a phone in
(40:39):
their hand, because they've grown up where X was Twitter
and there were message boards. People have spoken their mind
more and said more bomb based bombastic stuff on TV,
on radio, online than at any time in our lifetime. Right,
I mean again, go back to how sports was always
(41:01):
covered in the nineties and it was far different. Were
people critical of Jordan before he won an NBA title, Yes,
but was it was was the noise, this loud no
no and average everyday Joe's now feel like they have
the ability to say and do whatever they want. It
started with message boards and it moved into social media
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and now they're getting quoted on real TV shows. I
don't know why we do it, but we do. But
the point is that between Tyre's, Halburton, Anthony Edwards, you know,
some of these guys, they have grown up idolizing the Jordans,
the Birds, the Kobe's guys who were great trash talkers,
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and they've grown up in an era where you can
kind of say whatever the hell you want, you know,
how you you know, take your shot, talk your ish
And I think Haliburton is a perfect example of it.
It's like, do I if I'm a if I'm a
Pacer coach, do I love that he talks trash and
he runs the mouth? Maybe not, but one it kind
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of works for him, and two it kind of fits
with this generation, like I actually think Jay's doing in
your weekly evisceration of all things gen Z, there may
be a maya kopa at some point in time, because
gen Z they'll actually say what they think every now
and again more more often. Now. Look, if some of
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them get their feelings hurt way worse than previous generations
and they make it about things it's not about. But
I do think that there's a portion of them that
that matches the kind of message board Twitter trash talk
that I actually think is a good thing from this generation.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
And as a parent of gen Z, I take full
responsibility for how gen Z is. And just to be clear,
I've always said that gen Z walks around thinking that
we owe them happiness all the time, Like, what is
it in the Declaration of Independence so that our country
guarantees you the pursuit of happiness? Gen Z somehow reads
(43:07):
that as we guarantee you'll be happy all day and
if you're not, then you can complain. So yeah, the
refreshing part of that is you're right. This kid could
easily take the high road and be like, I don't
listen to the noise. It's all about basketball.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I go zero, dark thirty. I don't listen to any
of that stuff, correct, I just lock in, lock in.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
It's more interesting when they do hear the noise and
they acknowledge it, and he's literally putting it where his
mouth is. I don't even know what that even means,
but he's putting it on the court.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, how does that work? Where you put your money
where your mouth is? I want to know the impetus
of that expression.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
And I just use a gen z thing, and I
use literally in the opposite term that it's actually used.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
So it just fell for that.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, no, of course you did. And well that's what's
interesting is they've changed what literally means in the Webster's
Dictionary to where it actually one of the definitions is figuratively,
not actually literally. But I digress. The point is that
any generation has you can pick apart negatives about it.
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Our generation, our parents, their parents, the greatest generation of
all time, the greatest generation of all time. Awesome, but
let's not act like the world was perfect back with
Ozzie and Harriet, right, and they did you know, greatest
generation was World War One, Right, that's trench warfare. Let's
dig a big trench and then let's go take another trench,
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and everybody dies in between the two trenches. Not the
smartest of generations. The greatest generation though, because of what
they did to stand up for the right side of history.
And with this generation, there's a lot of negatives you
point out, but one positive is they will take their
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What I've Doug Gottliebin for Colin heard, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio App. Welcome in. So last night, Oklahoma City took
a two game to non lead and stopping. You heard
this before, but Shake Gilden Alexander dominant not just from
the two but also from the one from the free
throw line. What do you make thirteen out of fifteen
free throws? Anthony Edwards the ant man unavailable postgame. Obviously,
(00:51):
considering all the hype and the desire to be kind
of the next dude, has not yet looked like the
next dude in these last two games. But I think
I think here's the distinction that people need to make.
This is a real thing. So when you go on
social media, you'll get people who will say, who are
you know, and and look, full disclosure, I have numerous
(01:15):
friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I
think they do a great job, and I love watching
this team play. But there's there's no there just isn't
a world in which we somehow deny that shake Gildess.
Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest highest variety, right,
(01:38):
and and he's a good one. And oh yeah, by
the way, he's also taking advantage of how the game
is officiated now as opposed to how it used to
be officiated. And here's what I and and but here's
the special distinction. Okay, Like I will see on social
media people say Michael Jordan shot nine more frethrows the game,
(02:03):
and he probably did. Remember when Michael Jordan played and
they played the Detroit Pistons and what was called the
Jordan rules, They would pummel him when he go to
the basket. They would intentionally foul him because up until
his first championship run, he didn't trust his teammates. He
wouldn't pass on that penetration. He try and win it
(02:26):
on his own. And so yeah, he shot a lot
of free thows. Michael Jordan shot a lot of frethos.
Michael Jordan got calls. There's no question the difference in Jordan,
Bird Magic, even Kobe Okay was what they didn't do
(02:48):
was like this next step. It started with Harden with
throwing the head back, but Shay will he falls down?
I mean in game one, how many times did he
fall down? And it's interesting, like you love him, people
are like, oh, he keeps getting fouled. If you hate him,
you're like, dude, fouls. He falls down more than Joel
Embiidho falls down a lot. But now he's gotten caught.
(03:10):
And he's great at this, at locking in his arm
inside somebody else's arm who's guarding them so contact is made,
and then throwing his hand up in his arm up
and his head back and getting a foul like he
is a Piicasso at being a few a foul garnering artiste.
(03:33):
He's a picasso. He does it better than anybody else.
But it's really hard to sit there and go like
I love watching this march to the free throw line,
and I understand you can sit there again. Go Jordan
and Bird and all these guys they used to go
to the free throw line. There were more of the
spectacular variety plays because they weren't going free throw line
(03:57):
or pivot, pivot, pivot, mid range, pull up really close
to he's It's like talking on both sides of your
mouth when you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James
Harden's an amazing player, an amazing player, and in many ways,
James Harden's a better player in his prime then Shay
(04:19):
Gildas Alexander is, because Harden had some of the same
foul drawing abilities, only he was an elite passer and
Chase he's a good passers. Nothing's truly special about him
as a passer. Nothing's truly special about him. A three
point shooter, he's unbelievable mid range and six feet in.
(04:40):
It seems like he never misses. And then he has
the ability to draw fouls. He's the best of these
free throw merchants. But if you just throw out raw
stats and you go, hey, mj I mean again, the
difference would be Michael Jordan was driving into a lane
where there were two guys, and and yeah sometimes there
(05:02):
were phantom calls, no question, But what he wasn't doing
was he wasn't locking up somebody else's arm driving to
the basket and then all of a sudden releasing the
arm and flailing back and falling down at the second
of releasing the basketball in order to gain a foul.
Like that's just he didn't do it. So I get
(05:23):
what the stats look like, but you can't. You can't
fool the hardcore basketball fan and as as likable, hell
as lovable as he is, right, Like, dude gets up there.
And I don't know what it is about Oklahoma City guys,
but when they win the MVP, they always just say
the right thing. Go back to Russell. Russell Westbrook was
(05:46):
the the you know, the basketball is my only friend
type deal. But but Kevin rant talked about his mom
being the real MVP, and Shay Gills Alexander talked about
his wife. It was beautiful, like this is not an
indictment on him the person, really indictment on him, the player.
It's an indictment on where we've gotten to. In an
(06:06):
effort to make the game more offense friendly, the offense
gets to dictate contact and all these other things. And
now we've gotten to the place where the offense will
intentionally make not just contact, but grab the defender in
an effort to act like they're being grabbed, and yeah,
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I don't know how much you guys watched last night,
but there was a point in the game where, you know,
one of the Timboles players just pushed him, and then
when they're drawing back and forth in the lane, he's like, hey,
stop flopping, bro, stop flopping, you know. And look, the
story to Oklahoma City is they're playing more of a
(06:50):
college style defense, right, really really pressuring the basketball. That's
the other thing. Right, So we're not allowed to get
anywhere near Shay Gildess Alexander, we put our hands anywhere
near him, he grabs them and acts like, which you're
allowed to do. We teach our guys to do that. Hey,
so it puts their hand on you, it's your hand.
But you go from that to the other end where
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Oklahoma say's playing super physical on the ball defensively, and
then what's called a loaded up defense just feet and
hands and bodies as much in the paint. So you're
playing one on five or at least one on two
more than one on one. There's just no spacing there
like it is against other teams. It's a better coach
defensive team that is daring you to make skip passes
(07:34):
and skip passes into drives or skip passes into jump shots,
and the Timbolves aren't doing it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
But the juxtaposition of how the game is officiated at
each end, and again a lot of it is style.
You know, Oklahoma City they do what Rick Patino's teams
have famously done, which is they foul on every play,
with the idea that you can't call them all an
unwatchable game if you call a foul on every possession.
(08:04):
So if you have greater depth than everybody else, you
get up in them. One, once you establish contact, they
don't usually call contact fouls. Two, you know if you
do get in a foul trouble, you got the numbers
to withstand a little foul trouble. And three there's the
you know, it's not just style, it's they're playing at
home and the place is getting crazy. But they're also
(08:25):
playing help orings defense. So even if you go by
the guy that has his hands on you, they're forcing
you to make that next pass. But it's really interesting
that you're watching Shay and how he plays, and you know,
I was at Game seven. I shared this on my show.
(08:47):
It's Doug Gottliebin for Collin. It's the hurt Fox Sport tradio.
I heart Radiop. I went to Game seven between the
Nuggets and the Thunder, and I wasn't the crowd is incredible, right,
It's like it really is like a college crowd. People
ask what was this so cool about playing at Oklhoma
State when you were there? It's that's what the crowd
was like every night. Unbelievable. But I'm standing in front
(09:09):
of some guy who behind me. Every time jo Kids
draws the valies like free throw march it, You're like, well,
I I get it. Jokic does draw fowls and does
throw his hands into people and do all kind of
the classic ways to draw fowls. But you do know
that Shay is like if if there's different rankings or
(09:31):
different chess pieces, if Yokic is the king, then he's
the queen. If Yokic is the queen, then he's the
king of free throw merchant try. And I don't know
if there's a cottage industry a free throw merchant tree,
or if you need a bachelor's or master's degree, but
he's got a doctorate. But it makes it really really hard.
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And it's also one of those things where the difference
between now and the Jordan era is HTTV four K
and how good the replays are where you're sitting there
going like, yeah, I don't think he was actually touched
and yet he fell down. You know, look, if the
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Thunder win the title, it probably doesn't matter. But this
does feel like, do you guys remember when Dwayne Wade
and the Dallas Mavericks beat the excuse me, Dayne Wade
in the Miami Heat beat the Dallas Mavericks in the
NBA Finals, and it was just a constant march to
the free throw line where it almost felt predetermined that
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the NBA wanted to make Dwayne Wade a star. I
don't think that's what happened. I think again, it's just adjusting,
adjusting the rules, and you're sitting there going, hey, the
offensive player has all the benefits of these rules, so
much so now that Shay is actually creating the contact,
grabbing the other player, locking up his arm and then
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making it out is that that arm is grabbing him.
This is you know, yesterday we talked about the tush
push still being allowed. You know, they've gotten away from
guys just throwing back their head and now Shay has
taken it to another level where he kind of falls
to the side and it's constantly making faces and noises
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even when he's not getting touched. I do wonder what
adjustment they can make in terms of stylistically or rules wise,
or emphasis wise and officiat in the future. It is
that widely discussed, and I think it's because he's the
best at it. He's the MVP. It's obvious what he's doing. Hey,
coming up next, Lebron's agents talking about him moving. Is
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there any chance he changes teams? We'll discuss next in
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Welcome in, I got the Weird heard line News Soria
a little bit more on the tush Bush still being
allowed guests, who says, Hey, tuish bush cool play not
using it because I'm just a man, new head coach
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in the NFL. We'll get to that. It's in about
twenty minutes. Plus Mike Malone, who he was kind of
feeling himself a little bit as doing some ESPN analysis,
he happened to say that Shay Gildas Alexander should be
the MVP. Now he's backpedaling faster than Dione used to backpedal.
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Is the best cornerback of all time. There's a lot
to get to. Mark Dominical join us. We'll ask him
about brock Perty's new contract. In brock Purty saying he's
a top ten quarterback in the NFL. It's like brock
Purty is a is a radio producer or a TV
segment producer. Hey, I'm top ten quarterback in the NFL.
You know everybody loves their lists. Let me start with
this though, So technically, Lebron James has a player option. Right,
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a player option, so he can not sign or out
his player option, become a free agent and essentially pick
where he wants to go. Right, But Lebron James at
forty years old, well, his options are kind of limited. Nonetheless,
Rich Paul, his agent, was on the Rich Eisen Show
and he asked about Lebron's upcoming player option this this offseason.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
I think they've been on pins and needles for a while.
I think I don't know about that, though I wish
I had the answer, Rich, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
So you don't have conversations with him about how much
longer he wanted to Okay it.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
No, I don't have I don't have conversations like that.
I just I go into each year like he's continued
to play. I never even like talk about that. I
don't talk about that. Well, I mean, you are his
agent and his best friend. So look, we can just
cut to the brass tacks. Lebron's not going anywhere, right.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
They just drafted his son, and I'm sure he wants
to leverage some of whatever farewell tour he has to
potentially draft his other son, Bryce was gonna be a
freshman year Zona. I'm sure that's probably part of the
weight on his mind. Right, Is this the last year?
Or do I wait another year and make that the
last year? And we could act like a Lebron he
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could just walk away at any time. But does anyone
think that a guy who has gotten and honestly earned
as much attention as he as he's gotten, Like we
can sit there and say a lot of these things
are attention getting things, But I mean, have we seen
a guy play as consistently well for twenty years in
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the NBA. No, No, is he as good as he
used to be. No, but to those of us who
remember Kareem playing at forty, he was much more of
a shell of his former incredible self. So again, I'm
not I'm not the guy that's sitting there hating on
Lebron telling you, oh my god, Lebron wants attention. Like, look,
when you've gotten this much attention since you were sixteen
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years old, and you've lived up to and probably exceeded
anybody's reasonable expectations for what you could do or how
well you could do it, or how long you could
do it, how well you could do it, You're gonna
get a bunch of attention. And it's a really, really
hard lifestyle to get out of. It just is. But
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but if we're honest, he's not going anywhere, and he's
not retiring without some sort of ceremonious retirement celebration. You know,
I Kareem wants far less attention. Yet Kareem did the
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whole tour after becoming the all time leading scorer in
the game. Lebron likes the attention, likes it again, And
you can sit there and go o he Lebron or
whatever like No, I just don't know anybody who would
just dispute that. It's not like he's pushing away attention
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to his private life, to his off off court conversation.
So he wants attention to that. So you know, he's
got his production company, that's his little baby. He makes,
makes movies and does documentaries out of it. All great.
All that requires attention that hey we have this here,
and you get that through Lebron James getting attention. But
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I mean, this is like a nonsensical question. You know,
he's got a player option because if he really, really
really wanted to win in LA, he would go, hey,
here's what we'll do. Let's opt out of this, sign
a minimal deal or a small deal over a couple
of years, and then let's go go to work and
go get me some guys that can play some defense.
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I don't you know. And when he talked about when
Rich talks about the Lakers being on pins and needles, like,
is that is that what you need? Is that? Because
that's that's obviously leverage that why would you do this?
You would only do it is if you want to
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have some sort of power order the organization that you
play for, right, and he used and he wielded that
power to get them to draft Bronnie and play Bronnie
way above the level of his competency at the time
which he was drafted. And whether Bronnie becomes a full
time NBA player and a guy who's a reasonable rotation
player is has actually nothing to do with the farce
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that took place last offseason. Because last off season we
were told there's also there was multiple teams interested there
weren't you know? You had JJ Reddick in one of
his first press conferences saying he earned he earned where
he was drafted. He didn't. Again, it doesn't mean that
you can't draft a guy. You're allowed to draft a
guy and say, hey, you know he went through a
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hard issue. He had a hard first year at USC,
but we see the futures being bright. But sit there
and go like, well he earned it, like doing what?
But nonetheless, that was all because lebron has power and
leveraged it, and he's like, look, I don't want to
leave LA, but I also want to help raise my kid,
coach my kids, see my kid grow. You guys are
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going to draft him he'll play some with us in
some of the G League travel with him. It'll be
awesome experience. And I'm sure for Brownie it probably was
outside of a lot of the yachting on it. And
for Lebron too, Right, Yeah, some of that stuff, you know,
strikes close to home and really hurt him. But when
he zooms out, he's like, I got to spend a
whole year with my son in and out of the
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NBA probably wants to do with Bryce. Whether that Brice
isn't even as good as Brownie, so he has power.
He's trying to leverage that power. That's the only reason
for doing it, because at some point you start talking
about this stuff and guys just rolling their eyes, like
he's not going to retire without a without a proper sendoff.
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The league wouldn't want him to do that either. And
we can act like the league is, well, it's like
something nefarious from the league. It's not. It's not. The
league could have done with Jordan. They would have done
it with Jordan, but with Lebron. I mean is that
they don't want to kill the Golden Goose. They want
him around as long as possible. They just want to
keep milking it and you can sit there and go like,
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I'm tired of Lebron. But if it comes out and
Lebron says, hey, this is my retirement tour, You're going
and gobbling up those tickets. You're going to watch TV
a lot more because it's Lebron. He's Haley's comment. It
ain't coming around for another eighty seven years. By the way, Jays, dude,
you think people who are like under forty get the
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Haley's comment reference. I feel like that's a really dated
our age reference of Haley's comment because Haley's comment hasn't
been around in like forty years and won't be around
for another forty years, And unless you were a kid
or adult live through it, you have no idea what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I think it's I think it's a pretty tangible reference
for any educated generation. But I guess that's saying a lot.
That's assuming that our kids are being educated.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, I start making Is there a TikTok on Haley's comment?
Is there an Instagram reel on Haley's comment?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
You'll get You'll get the first ten TikTok results will
be Haley was it? What's a what's Hilly Bieber. No,
the Haley is the wife of the Bills quarterback what's
her name? Seinfeld Seenfeld Ryan Smith here is a big
Marvel fan. She was one of the Marvel characters. Steinfeld Seinfeld.
There he goes, Seinfeld, go pass all the Hailey Stein
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Carls s.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, there's a lot of other Haley's. A matter of fact,
there is kind of a rush on Haley's that are
older teenagers. Right, that's a that's a big name. Maybe
that came from our generation. And Haley's comment and saying, hey,
I kind of like this name Haley. Who is the
first to name their kid Aiden? Because I know fifteen
aidents who are under twenty. I don't know anybody over
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twenty named Maiden. I just want to point that out.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Speaking thing one thing about this. So, it was a
little less than a year ago we all witnessed that ruse,
that circus where the Lakers tried to convince the public
that Browny was a legitimate draft prospect. Sure, and then
they they drafted him and said that he earned it,
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and then they you know, they signed, they gave him
the guaranteed deal for a second round pick. You're saying
to me that Lebron would compel a historic franchise like
the Lakers to do something embarrassing like that and lie
to the public and then not come back after one year.
I mean, isn't doesn't he have? Doesn't he does he
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owe the Lakers something for that massive favor of being
able to play with his son and do that thing
where he invited the Griffies in and nobody cared but him,
doesn't he owe the Lakers at least one more season?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I mean, I think the answer in terms of reality
is yes. But in terms of Lebron, does he think
he owes them that? I don't think the answer is yes.
I just don't. And and you know what, he might
have a little bit of a point, right, because he
has He didn't play every game, but from fourty years
old a game a lot, and he does compete to win,
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and he is a gigantic name. So does he owe
it to them? Of course he owes it to them.
But again you're looking at this as a non parent,
rational human being that hasn't had fame thrust upon them
and been told they could do no wrong like he went.
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He had his show called The Shop right, which was
the barber shop, and he actually sued Nick Saban because
they had a similar show, because he believed he invented
barbershop conversation being recorded, like what what do you think?
The essence of first take is what are we even
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talking about? But when you live in a world where
everybody just says, hey, whatever you say, King, it's really
hard to tell if up is up and down is down.
And so yeah, if it's me, if my son, who's
not clearly qualified even close to as his son is, Hey, dude,
we're gonna draft you in the second round and give
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you a guaranteed contract, I'd be unbelievably grateful. It's the
type of thing that you do for a life long friend. Man,
that's a real solid. I truly appreciate it. If there's
ever a way I can I can help you, you know,
return the favor you just ask. That's how normal reasonable
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relationships to It's not a quid pro quo. You take
care of me, I take care of you. It's like, Hey,
that's a real solid. I appreciate it. I feel so
close to the Lakers organization. That's just not what we've
heard come out of Lebron or come out of Rich
Paul an example, Hey, they're they're on what do you say?
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They're on eggs shells? Why are they on eggshells? Like
you're his agent, you're his best friend. They did a
ma solid like, Look, the Lakers are completely lockstep with Lebron.
They know everything he wants to do. They've done right
by him. He's going to do right by them. They'll
come to a mutual desistant. But that's not what you hear.
That's not what you hear.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You hear.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I don't know they wait on eggshells. He's got a
lot of options. No, he doesn't. His option is come
back and play, figure out how he wants to play,
how they can go and get you know, legit defenders
to go along with their their best three players. We're
all offensive players. I don't think it's a championship makeup
or championship roster. And if he wants it to be
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his last year, give him the heads up. It's his
last year so that the whole league can do the
proper celebration. And if you want to push back on
a proper celebration because Jordan didn't have one, just know that, Like, look, Lebron,
James will Is it nine straight NBA finals, four titles.
He's in any conversations the greats of all time, and
he's done it for a long time. And I continue
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to say this. If the worst thing that he's done
is forced the Lakers to draft Brownie and play him
and do that whole dog and pony show, that ain't
that bad. Most other superstars have done far worse, far worse,
and especially off the court, there's never been a whisper
of anything. So I've Doug Gotlieben for Colin coming up
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in the Herd. The NFL teams are ready for another season.
Are you ready for another season of the tush Push?
We'll get into that next in the Herd.
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Speaker 3 (25:47):
Mark Dominic joins us. Of course, he joins me weekly
in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trader. This
is the Herd Zone for Colin on a Memorial Day weekend, Mark,
let me let me ask you why why would have
Ben Johnson say I like explosive plays instead of the
toush push?
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (26:04):
I think it just sounds good, right, it's for the fans, right,
It's it's kind of the what you were just talking about.
It's like, I can I can create something that's more
dynamic and more exciting than the toush push, which is
you know, uh, I guess a play that you know
everybody knows is coming when it gets lined up. So
I gotta think that's the whole reason. He's just trying
again to state that he can create explosive plays and
fans want that.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
There there are two votes away, so again, how long
do you think this play lasts?
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I hope they don't get it. I think the play
should last.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
I mean, it's unique that the Philadelpha Eagles are the
only ones that are really good at it, right, And
that's and there's a lot to be said about you know,
they're timing and everything coming together, and you've touched briefly
about it. You know, Cam Jurgen's comes in there, and
now's the starting center built completely different than Kelsey, but
a very powerful maler but just you know, a much
more higher cut guy where Kelsey is a lower cut,
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you know, quick twitch, and they had no problem with
it because Scam can move mountains. He's a powerful kid.
I don't think you should out lot. I think it
is what it is, and you know, I think you
just got to figure out how to stop it or
slow it down. And if you can't do it, then push,
push stage, get him in third and you know, three
not third and one.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Mark Domins our guest, you're on in the heard. I'm
Doug Gottley Pavilion for Colin rock Perty's deal. How does
the GM look at it?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Well, I think it's I think it's not surprising. I
think you and I had been talking about I was hoping,
you know, this would come in forty five to fifty
with incentives, and it comes in around fifty two. I
don't think it's a shocking deal to any general manager.
I think they all kind of look at it like,
you know, that's just what the rate is, and obviously
he's getting less than the starting rate quote unquote for
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every club. I think it's somewhat of a fair deal
across the board. I think it's certainly a good narrative
for brock Pertty and you know, being mister irrelevant to
now signing this deal, to seeing what else is in
his chapter of his NFL career, but it's also you know,
brock Perty's you know, it's not I need the entire
bag and I want to bank and this all and
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that it's a good that I think that the forty
nine ers still have a little wiggle room with their
roster even though they just did a contract extension with
a quarterback, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
And also did one with Fred Warner. What are your
thoughts on the guys they let go, because one of
the thoughts I had was some of those guys they
didn't really want back, like Deebo Samuel. I don't think
they wanted Deebo Samuel back anyway, but they made it
a casualty of the Brock party thing, and it made
it much more convenient. What are your thoughts on the
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percentage of those guys name guys that they had to
part ways with that they are really kind of over anyway,
and this just allowed them to do so well.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I think Deebo I agree with you.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
I think Deebo was give or take basically the Deebo's frustration.
Sometimes we've talked about how I feel very strong about
what Ricky.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Pierce I was going to do. I think Drake Greenlaw
was one they didn't want to let go. I think
that one hurt.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
I think that they really love that kid and what
he's been able to do and what he's all been through.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I think those are the ones where it kind of
burns is a little bit. I bet you for.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
John Lynch, certainly for coach Shanahan to lose a guy that's,
you know, been a warrior four years since you had them.
So I think those hurt that. You know that that's
just part of the game, and so they had to
make these tough decisions with guys that they do, like,
you know, Aaron Banks went out and broke, you know,
crushed it in Green Bay with a huge contract. Would
they like to have Aaron. I'm sure they would have,
But I think they realized, hey, look, there's only so
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many things we can do, and you know, there are
certain positions we can't pay, and it's going to be hard.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
You know, Dominic Poney came in and played really good
at guard. It's hard to pay.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Guards in the Nation Football where you're paying your tackles.
It's hard to pay linebackers in the Nation Football when
you're paying your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And so they went to the positions that I think
are always going to get.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
A little bit more dinged or you can't pay as
many guys, and that's linebacker, that's safety, that's running back badly,
and that's in tier offensive line.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
You can't pay three guys inside.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
We mentioned we're looking for like a phrase for the Saints.
Is there any way they're competitive with this roster and
with the quarterback play they seem to have.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
I know, it's a you know, it's a it's a
tough job for coach Moore. Uh, you know, the personnel
there and the cap has been hard. It feels like
an angst bag over your head this year for them.
I'm I'm afraid. I just I think the other teams,
even the Carolina Panthers, I think, are you know, trying
to improve the roster, working on getting the better and
stronger roster, certainly be with the wide receiver room. That's
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the way it is set down in Carolina. Uh, this
is a team that I just I don't feel confident
in the quarterback class. And when you're the fourth you
know you're you've got the worst quarterback of the four
teams in your division. That makes for a really long year.
And I think that's what the SAME's fans have to endure.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
What do you think the progression is in Cleveland with
you know, they got got four quarterbacks plus Deshaun, but
Deshawn's had multiple achilles, so I mean the likelihood of
him to ever taken a step again isn't great. But
what what how is that handled? What's the progression like
in terms of reps, in terms of opportunities when you
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have just four kind of unique quarterback prospects like like
Flacco and like Trubisky and then the two rookies.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's weird.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
I mean you look at Flacco and I would guess
that he's going to.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Get the least.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
I mean, he may get first team reps. I know
they talked about Kenny Pickett getting first team reps.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Uh that's a picket.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Sorry, I said, it's all right.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
We talk a lot of sports, which sometimes you're allowed
to get a name mixed uff. So you know, Kenny
Pickett I think is you know, probably just going to
get an opportunity. What's going to happen is Joe Blacko
is going to be the one that probably doesn't see
as much preseason work, doesn't see he'll still get the work.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
But they don't need to see a lot out of
Joe Blaco.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
I don't think they need to find out these young
three to see if they like any of them more
than the other. And this will be a chance for
Shadu or saying with Dylan and Kenny Pickett. I think
that they're going to spread it around. They may start
each one of those young guys as a starter in
the preseason game, just to give him the start out
of the tunnel and say what do you look like? Uh,
But certainly it's hard, you know, you get all these
reps right now, and certainly Camps is going to be
the heart and part the stuff we don't get to
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see the classroom. The the ability to you know, regarditate
what's going on, you know, in in the classroom and
be able to you know, see how they can parlay
that to the field. It's going to be the big
difference for all three of these guys, and to see
how they can do that. Canny Picketts weaknesses his arm
strength and I don't know if he can fix that. Gabriel
you know, to me there's a little bit of an
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accuracy thing.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And Shador, you know, he seems to be handling everything
very well right now.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
I like the way he's being quoted in what he's saying,
So I think it's pretty open there.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah, it's it's a fascinating one. Okay, if you're in Pittsburgh,
how long how much longer do you give Aaron Rodgers
to make a call in this deal?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (32:40):
I really want Aaron there for the Veteran Mini camp, Doug.
I need him there by then to kind of at
least take the reins, have the playbook under your velfare,
you know, even over the weekend, and just go out
there be around the players before you come back to
camp and show up. I think that's really kind of
my drop dead time. And so I think he's got,
you know, a couple of weeks left here before you know,
Phisburgh has their Veteran Mini camp, and I would think
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that that's what they're waiting on.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
You're in the You're your same position you have with Tampa,
only in Chicago. You know this story that's come out,
the book that's come out with Seth Seth bick or
Sham'm talking about Katle Williams in the draft process where
he said, you know, or his dad said, that's where
quarterbacks go to die, you want to be a Viking?
Obviously they have a tremendous head coach and tremendous system
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and probably better weaponry. Nonetheless, it doesn't look good. You
don't ever say you want to be a Viking when
you're a bear. Well, what's the conversation like between GM
and starting quarterback?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Well, I think.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
I think it's it's GM and and father is what
I really would start with. You know, I left the quarterback.
You don't like to let the quarterback handle with the
head coach, and then like coach Johnson talked to him
knowing that, you know, we would talk first, and then
I would I would call, you know, the father. I
mean obviously have a conversation with him about like what
are we what are we trying to accomplish here? Like
what's the goal?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
What do you want?
Speaker 7 (34:00):
Because you're making it harder and there's no reason to
make it any harder on your son. That's all you're
doing now, you're creating even more fan disappointment. If he struggles,
it's going to be even harder for him, you know.
And so that's the conversation. I'd be happy with the dads,
Like we just need to dial everything down. He just
needs to go out there, say the right things, do
the right things. We've done everything we can for your son.
In terms of offensive line, I feel like it's as
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good it's ever been. But you know, I think it's
more of a conversation with the dad, and I think
the coach handles the player.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Let's circle back. Mark Dominick, our guest here in the heard,
I'm Doug Gottlie Chillian for Colin rock Perty said he's
a top ten quarterback? Is he right.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
As a winner? I'd say yes. As a As a tools,
I would say no. You know, I think I think
if you sit there and say, okay, just give me
the winners, I want the guys that are the best
of the best, and show me what that looks like.
You know, I think he's in that top ten conversation
when you think about quarterbacks and like he's the best quarterback.
You know, I think you have to personally, even though
you know Jayden Daniels, you know mahomes Alan, you can
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start going down to some of these guys. Lamar Jackson obviously,
you know, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Or Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
It's hard, Joe Burrow, it's hard to get in the
top ten, but I think he's very close. But as
a winner, I think he's a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well is that the goal of the whole thing? I mean,
that's that's where I'm I'm trying, like, I'll give you
I'll just a question. Okay, start at zero, Justin Herbert
or brock Perdy.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I will take Justin Herbert still.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Okay, and all those other quarterbacks we established established previously, right,
you're talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, whatever, Marjin Yeah, yeah,
but I do think the difference is like, well they
already have been San Francisco, so it's we make it
out like you got to choose. But he's he's very
much on the board there. But again, so in terms
(35:48):
of winner, you're talking about intangibles, whereas he doesn't have
the tangibles of a top ten quarterback. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
That's exactly right. That's how I feel.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
And then that's the only thing that keeps him Like
do you sit there and say Jalen hurt or a
himn You know there's part that maybe he.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Does better than Jalen, but there's Jalen has.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
Been a great winner, you know, since he's been in there.
You know, Jay Daniels, maybe it's a little early to
crown him up there and put him that high, but
what he was able to accomplish with that Washington roster
in his rookie season, it's hard for me not to
put him in that conversation with those guys.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
So I love Brock Purty.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
You know, I've been a Brock pretty fan since the beginning,
even through the injuries and everything. I thought this was
a great story. But he also you know, just the
way he carries himself and handles everything. I'm just saying
from a pure you know, arm talent, legs talent, Brockbritty
doesn't fall in there. But he's brought pretty worthy of
that contract he just signed.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yes, he is interesting.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Mark, great stuff, enjoy the weekend. Thanks for our guest
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Thank you, Doug, enjoyed you too.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
That's Mark Domin. It's spent over twenty years in the
NFL front offices, in scouting and of course former gentle manager
of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'll tell you this, Jay Stuh,
you had had to know and do. I think it
was the sponsor deal. I do, But when he gets
those Toyota Tacoma trds for all of his offensive linemen,
Like that is a bold again, has to be a
(37:09):
sponsorship deal. But otherwise you gotta know you're getting paid,
Like you have to know you're not getting paid. You're
getting paid. And I am looking both ways before I
cross the street. I'm not I'm I'm wrapping myself in
bubble wrap, right because one of those those gotta run
in the sixties, right, So if you go sixty times
(37:32):
and you're not just buying a kid just by the
starting line, mean you got to buy all those all
those meatheads, like eight of them, right, eight of them.
You're talking like half a million dollars. If if you're
spending your own money on those trds. He had to
know he was getting paid. That's otherwise it's a bold
move when the the amount that you're paying in cars
for your lineman for protecting you is the same amount
(37:54):
you're making per year.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
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Speaker 3 (38:00):
Doug Gottliebin for Collins The Hurt Foxports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
I think look not everything about the new generation is bad, right,
we do this, and if you listen to the show,
I'm Doug Gottlieb, my Steam producer, Jason Stewart joining me
today and Jay Stu. You do like to point out
(38:23):
how some of the hypocrisies, some of the bizarre stuff
that gen Z is into, and how they all have
to have their feelings heard and vindicated, and how different
is from how we were brought up. Right, like we
do it. It's pretty easy to poke fun at some
of this stuff, but not all of it is bad. Right,
(38:47):
Let's not act like everything in the New generation is bad.
And I give you Tyrese Halbert. Tyres Albert was an
overlooked player, right ak Kim. He's from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He
went to Iowa State. It wasn't there was great fanfare,
and he just worked and worked and worked. And again,
even now with the most overrated player mantra that he
carries because of a player poll, he doesn't. Not only
(39:12):
does he not shrink from the moment hitting what was
an incredible shot, although he double dribbled. I mean, anybody
sees a video, you can say, well he got fouled,
but he also double dribbled. If he gets fouled, then
it's two free throws, and then the Knicks get the
ball back, you know, after the two free throws. But nonetheless,
I don't know if you saw this, but Haliburton was
(39:33):
asked by ESPN about being the most overrated he says,
I love external motivation. Somebody's talking, ish, I want to
know because I want to go back at them. And
don't get me wrong, talking trash in basketball is as
old as the game itself, although I'm not really sure
that doctor James Nasmith, who invented it for aerobic activity,
(39:58):
was really into the trash talking, even when he was
the least successful coach in the history of Kansas basketball,
right Like, I don't think he was. I don't think
James R. Natesmith was a big trash talk guy. But
since it became kind of a city game in probably
I don't know, the thirties, forties, Definitely the fifties and sixties,
trash talk has been a part of it, and I
(40:19):
don't know if we try and take it out of it.
It's just sometimes the women's stuff is well over the top.
And then you know, obviously there's moments where like his
dad coming on the court, like what are you doing.
But here's what I do like from the gen Z
generation is because they've grown up with a phone in
(40:39):
their hand, because they've grown up where X was Twitter
and there were message boards. People have spoken their mind
more and said more bomb based bombastic stuff on TV,
on radio, online than at any time in our lifetime. Right,
I mean again, go back to how sports was always
(41:01):
covered in the nineties and it was far different. Were
people critical of Jordan before he won an NBA title, Yes,
but was it was was the noise, this loud no
no and average everyday Joe's now feel like they have
the ability to say and do whatever they want. It
started with message boards and it moved into social media
(41:25):
and now they're getting quoted on real TV shows. I
don't know why we do it, but we do. But
the point is that between Tyre's, Halburton, Anthony Edwards, you know,
some of these guys, they have grown up idolizing the Jordans,
the Birds, the Kobe's guys who were great trash talkers,
(41:45):
and they've grown up in an era where you can
kind of say whatever the hell you want, you know,
how you you know, take your shot, talk your ish
And I think Haliburton is a perfect example of it.
It's like, do I if I'm a if I'm a
Pacer coach, do I love that he talks trash and
he runs the mouth? Maybe not, but one it kind
(42:07):
of works for him, and two it kind of fits
with this generation, like I actually think Jay's doing in
your weekly evisceration of all things gen Z, there may
be a maya kopa at some point in time, because
gen Z they'll actually say what they think every now
and again more more often. Now. Look, if some of
(42:27):
them get their feelings hurt way worse than previous generations
and they make it about things it's not about. But
I do think that there's a portion of them that
that matches the kind of message board Twitter trash talk
that I actually think is a good thing from this generation.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
And as a parent of gen Z, I take full
responsibility for how gen Z is. And just to be clear,
I've always said that gen Z walks around thinking that
we owe them happiness all the time, Like, what is
it in the Declaration of Independence so that our country
guarantees you the pursuit of happiness? Gen Z somehow reads
(43:07):
that as we guarantee you'll be happy all day and
if you're not, then you can complain. So yeah, the
refreshing part of that is you're right. This kid could
easily take the high road and be like, I don't
listen to the noise. It's all about basketball.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I go zero, dark thirty. I don't listen to any
of that stuff, correct, I just lock in, lock in.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
It's more interesting when they do hear the noise and
they acknowledge it, and he's literally putting it where his
mouth is. I don't even know what that even means,
but he's putting it on the court.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, how does that work? Where you put your money
where your mouth is? I want to know the impetus
of that expression.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
And I just use a gen z thing, and I
use literally in the opposite term that it's actually used.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
So it just fell for that.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, no, of course you did. And well that's what's
interesting is they've changed what literally means in the Webster's
Dictionary to where it actually one of the definitions is figuratively,
not actually literally. But I digress. The point is that
any generation has you can pick apart negatives about it.
(44:24):
Our generation, our parents, their parents, the greatest generation of
all time, the greatest generation of all time. Awesome, but
let's not act like the world was perfect back with
Ozzie and Harriet, right, and they did you know, greatest
generation was World War One, Right, that's trench warfare. Let's
dig a big trench and then let's go take another trench,
(44:45):
and everybody dies in between the two trenches. Not the
smartest of generations. The greatest generation though, because of what
they did to stand up for the right side of history.
And with this generation, there's a lot of negatives you
point out, but one positive is they will take their
shot
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