July 4, 2025 • 45 mins
On a July 4th edition of The Best Of The Herd: Doug Gottlieb in for Colin as he talks about Lebron James and how he is doing the one thing that the public will not tolerate.
Doug in for Colin as he weighs in on Joey Chestnut and his dominant performance in the most recent Nathan's Hot Dog Eating contest.
Doug welcomes former seven-time All-Star major leaguer Matt Holliday onto the show to talk about his baseball family, facing Clayton Kershaw in his prime and all of the other major headlines around MLB.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Boom, Well Up America. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin, This
is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be, listened to the show. Happy Fourth of July
to you. I hope you're ready for a great day.
Heading out to the beach, head out to a lake,
heading up to the mountains. Are you just chilling home
like dude? I don't care. Just Friday you think, get
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none of you listen to a sports radio got a
great show for you. I do mean great because in
this hour alone, Tugle NBA basketball talk with the fuming
Major League All Star about a bunch of different topics.
We'll talk a little UFC, we got some old school NBA,
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a little a WNBA, and some NFL. All just in
this hour just in this hour. Matt Holliday, seven time
All Star, will join us upcoming in twenty minutes here
on the show. Is it's great to be with you
in the herd. Obviously we're live in places like Los Angeles,
and I always laugh at when we post things from
(01:30):
my show, The Doug Outleap Show, which follows this show
on most Fox Sports radio stations, how people go, like,
get another topic, don't talk about Lebron. By the way,
Mike Colin doing the outside voice thing, right Colin, anyway,
you can accuse me of a lot of things, Chasing
(01:52):
Lebron topic is not one of them. Lebron topic is
a real topic that's really been discussed. And oh yeah,
by the way, it pops up in your algorithm because
it's what people are talking about right now. So, hey, kids,
if you just got back from a vacation with your
family or you haven't really been paying attention, there's this
weird thing that happened with Lebron James and the Lakers
over the past week or so. Right free agency period
(02:16):
open now. Lebron James is not a free agent, but
could have been. Instead, he opted in to his player option,
which you'll pay him roughly fifty three point nine million
dollars next season. But after opting in and signing or
picking up his player option, his agent Rich Paul released
(02:40):
a statement saying, and I'm not going to quote it's
not forbatim, but basically it's like, hey, Lebron wants to
win a championship, so the Lakers are on a different
timeline of winning a championship. So hey, we just want
you to know Lebron wants to win a championship. It
insinuates that he, you know, Pass Tens relationship kind of
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over or coming to an end, and he doesn't think
that they can win a championship as currently comprised in LA,
So he's open to any possibilities. The number one thing,
one on one takeaway you should have. You're like, why
should I care? Again? I'm not going to sit here
(03:22):
and argue with you whether or not you think Lebron,
Magic Bird Jordan, Wilt Kareem are the greatest players of
all time.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
There's just you know, this is like the Lebron Jordan
argument is like the abortion argument. You know what, have
fun trying to win that one on social media? There
is no win. So this doesn't come from a place
of I don't think Lebron James is the best player
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of all time, but it does come from a place
of let's just kind of be honest. Is there anyone
out there who would argue that Luca is at minimum
a top ten and more likely a top five player
went healthy in the NBA And you're all sitting there
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driving around, and you know, you get your kids in
the car, and you're saying, all right, that's reasonable, top ten, minimum,
top five, Okay, how you want your list to be.
And you know, well, we didn't have the top five
then Jason Tatum towards Achilles and I don't know what
Yahn is and whatever, like all right, Like, I'm not
going to push any argument more than it. I know
he's one of the two or three best players in
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the sport that I love that I played that a coach,
But again, not trying to win arguments. We're just trying
to find middle ground there, right, Okay, So if he's
a top ten player, and they are a good portion
of people, especially ones on TV, who will watch Lebron
play on a given night, throw up Lebron's stats and
(04:57):
say we Lebron still both player in the NBA. Now again,
I'm not gonna argue that. I know that most of
us know that not to be true. But if you
think Lebron James is a top ten or top fifteen player,
and you're in a sport where suddenly now we have
more parody than we've ever had in our lifetime. Eight
champions over the last eight years, and many of the
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teams that are seen as the league's elite have lost play.
I mean, the three of the best teams in the
East have lost elite players. Do an Achilles tenant tear?
And as much as we talk about the West, as
if all the Western the Warriors aren't good enough as
currently comprised to compete for a championship, the Wolves aren't
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good enough to compete for a championship best currently comprised
the Rockets. We think with Kevin Durant, it'll make them better.
I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan, but it hasn't worked
in his past. What two stops close to working in
Brooklyn not his fault. They had injuries and then the
dysfunction that followed didn't work in Phoenix. Any argument there, Okay,
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So all these things were like oh, the West is
so like, you know, Clippers seem like they're kind of
over the hill with what they're doing now, Warriors are
over the hill. Timberwolves just don't have enough spurs. Probably
a year away, maybe two away from really competing atop rockets.
You know, they look better, but again, at some point
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you're gonna get declining return on Kevin Durant's it's there's
better depth. Denver has no bench, right, they're fragile, they're
not great. They're still have Yokic. So if you want
to make a depth of good teams, but if we're
honest with ourselves, Lebron and his camp admitting the Lakers
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can't win as they are not focusing on or trying
to in his mind, or they're you know, really how
it lands on everybody. They're not good enough to win
a championship with Lebron and with Luca. If you're not
good enough to compete for a championship and you have
two top fifteen, top ten players in the league, then boy,
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the league must be really good and it's not. So
what Lebron and everybody else is admitting without knowing their
admitting is Lebron's no longer a top fifteen, top twenty player.
He's for forty. He's amazing, but in reality he's just not.
He doesn't defend with the same energy. He can be
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hard to play with, and there are knights in which
he just doesn't have it and those knights will likely
increase over time. Right doesn't play all the games, has
gotten hurt what like five of the seven years in
which he's been in LA. So this idea that let's
just eliminate that from your argument Lebron's a top ten player, No,
he's not. If he was, then there's no way in
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hell anybody would say that the Lakers can't win a championship.
And most of us know Lakers can't win a championship,
including Lebron James. So if we start with that that
things have changed, Lebron has to adjust to where he is,
but he still wants to play for a championship contender
and he does not think the Lakers are championship contenders.
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There is only one other possible argument. If he doesn't
think the Lakers are championship contenders, or says that it's
that Lebron is pouting because now they're doing everything to
focus on Luca and what makes Luca his the best
version of himself? A lot Lebron James. But let's pretend,
for at least the radio show and for this argument,
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that Lebron James is in fact the bigger man. Lebron
James has nothing. He just wants to win, wants to
be part of a champion. Doesn't see it, doesn't feel
it because he knows in his heart he's not nearly
as good as he used to be. Well, if that's
the case, then what actions has Lebron actually taken to
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be solely focused on winning a championship over the past
couple of years with the Lakers. Keep in mind, they've
acus to anything that he wanted. Hey, you want jj
Read to be the coach? Done? You want us to
move mountains first to trade for Anthony Davis. Remember they
tried to trade for him, couldn't get it. Then Rich Paul,
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who also reps Anthony Davis, was like, gotta have Anthony Davis.
So they moved on earth, heaven and earth to get him.
They get him. They went a COVID championship. Okay, but
they deplete all their most of their reserves. And then
when they wanted to add another player. It was going
to be DeMar de rozen done, only Lebron stepped in.
It's like Nana, Na, we want Russell Westbrook. You want
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Russell Westbrook, not Tomrtre Rosen. Sure, let's overpay to get
Russell Westbrook. They get Russell Westbrook. The good vibes last
all of I don't know among two months, and then
Lebron turns the cold shoulder that relationship stide. Don't worry,
we won't hold it against Lebron. We'll just move on
from Westbrook and then ultimately move on from our coaches.
(10:11):
After moving on from from you know, Frank who wins
your championship, and then you know, you move on from
Darvin Ham. Now you go get JJ Reddick. And then
they draft Bronnie and kind of forced themselves to go, yeah, no, no,
Bronni has earned all of this. Then they play Bronnie James,
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one of the last picks in the draft, in the
second round on opening night in the NBA, doesn't happen normally,
doesn't normally get four year guaranteed contracts, and then their
G League team is turned into a Lebron James sponsored
AAU team where it's just about Bronnie getting buckets, and
about making Bronnie look like he's ready to play in
the NBA. They've done all these things. Oh, the only
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thing they did that maybe he didn't like was trade
away the big guy who is repped by the same
agent and upgraded for a trade that the entire world
thinks they won, The entire world thinks they want. Like,
I don't think the win disparity is that great. Like
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I don't think it was. They literally trade away a
box of basketballs used outside for one of the greatest
players in the world. They trade away Anthony Davis, who's
a tremendous two way player. Okays, And really what Dallas
wanted to do is reconfigure themselves, make themselves the most
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dynamic defensive team in the league, and tap into the
potential of Anthony Davis, which still seems to be limitless,
only limited by injuries. And of course Anthony Davis, as
he's prone to do, gets hurt when he gets there.
But the it's not that big of a win. But
it's a win, and anybody would argue as such. Right,
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So what are you actually mad about that the Lakers
want to trade with the Mavericks that the Lakers are
going to be relevant for the next decade. I think
the problem people are bothered with the most. This comes
from me, This comes from colin, This comes from government,
This comes from teachers, comes from parents, comes to from athletes.
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I can take your opinion if it's the opposite of mine.
What I can't take or your ideas or your thoughts
or you know, if you have a plan, you go do.
What you can't take is hypocrisy. If you want to
play for a championship and you don't think it's in
LA and all that's important to you at the end
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of your career is winning a championship, well then just
don't pick up your player option and you're a free
agent and go where the hell you want, go wherever
you want. Well, then what do we do with Bronnie?
Well again, like again, if if Bronnie isn't tied to you,
if it wasn't a Daddy Ball deal, and then that
shouldn't matter to you. Of course it matters to you,
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and they can figure it out. They can trade Bonnie
for nothing and get stuff something back and return or whatever.
It's just it's just hypocrisy. Don't tell me that you
don't tell me that Lebron's a top ten player and
then say, playing with Luka Doncik, they can't win a championship.
Don't tell me winning a championship competing for is all
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that's important. And then pick up even if you are
gonna stay in LA if you really want to win
a championship, of course you could take less money. And
to people who say he's Lebron James, he doesn't have
to take less money. He doesn't unless he truly believes
knows he needs more help based upon the current structure
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of the salary cap in the NBA. And oh yeah,
by the way, there's all kinds of creative contracts where
you can backload it and do player options and at
the end of the day they can buy you out
of your last contract so that you get a walk
away bonus that ends up equaling out what you would
have made this year. Like all that stuff is reasonable.
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But this is not an opening rant. Doug Godlive been
for Collin the Herd on Foxford's Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
This is not me telling you he's a terrible person
or he's a bad basketball player. But what you can't
have is somebody being a complete hypocrite time and again
and not get called on it, not get called on.
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It's what irritates us about so many people in power
is you say one thing and you do another. And
that's where we are with Lebron James. And so either
he's a hypocrite and the money is really what's important
and this is just for show, or he and his
(15:08):
crew is the being babies because it's no longer about
him and it's always been about him.
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Speaker 3 (15:53):
What up, Welcome in this Urged the Herd, whatever you
may be in, how review may be making this part
of your day. I don't know what sentence was. Thanks
so much. I'm Doug Gottliebe in for Colin Cowhard and
for the next two hours, I want to talk swords
with you from Powway to Escondido, all the way up
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to Santa Clarita. Jason Stewart in about five people in
southern California smiled and knew what that was or who
that was. Joey Chestnut just ate seventy two dogs in
the Hot dog Eating contest. Right, there is something about
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the Hot Dog Eating Contest which feels feels a lot
like the Home Run Derby. It's a lot like the
Home Run Derby. You know, when it first made it
big and it was Kobayashi, it was cool. Then all
of a sudden, you know, we have this Joey Chestnut
character comes out of nowhere and just can crush dogs
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like nothing we seen before. Then last year he was
he did like some sponsorship deal with the meatless hot Dog, which, yeah,
that sounds pretty terrible. I'm just not gonna lie to you.
I don't know. They do not sponsor this show. But
and I'm not decrying any brand. And I don't even
like hot dogs. Yeah that's me. I don't. I mean,
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I'll eat one. I mean they're still delicious, but I
don't like them just because hot dogs are. They're like popcorn.
They don't always taste good, but they always smell really good.
And there's a little they kind of over promise and underdeliver.
I'm I'm not gonna lie to you. And look, there's
lots of great styles of eating hot dogs. I love
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a Chicago dog. It's different. It's an eque. You know, hey,
throw tomatoes, a little whatever was little pickle thingies are
in there. You know they're they're good. You can be
a snob and say you can't eat ketch up on
your hot dog. I disagree, Jay stew you and I
have discussed. There's nothing special about a Dodger dog. It's
just a hot dog that's bought at a Dodger game.
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But for whatever reason, the simplicity of the execution makes
you think you're buying something worth the I don't even
know how much dodge dog is now, but whatever you're
ever paying for it.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
It also speaks to the It also speaks to the
power of a literation. If you make something illiterative in
this country, people think it's a much bigger deal than
it is. It's the Dodger dog, is it? Kind of
a lengthy hot dog that tastes the same as most
hot dogs, but they're Dodger dogs. So there's some gravity
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to that for whatever reason, and it works. They're not
going to run from it. So yeah, it speaks to
the literation. And by the way, Chestnut, he crushed seventy
one hot dogs today. The record by him was seventy
six and ten minutes. But he did, I think, eat
twenty five more hot dogs than second place. He crushed
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the field. A remarkable return by the champion.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So so if he goes from seventy six to seventy one,
is this like you know, when your velo is just
slightly down as a picture like still dominant, but you
can see that we that we're no longer peak Chestnut.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Yeah, and he's got to follow more creative ways to win,
you know.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, well, so now he's not a thrower now, he's
more of a pictures now he's not an eater. He's
more of a chure. I don't know what the I
don't know what the what the what? The proper term
is uh profet you hit something? Yeah, I'm pump fake.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
This if I may, If if, are you interested in
my story of my first Dodger dog because I am
not from LA like you and uh am Southern California
like you and you and Jason. Because I had this
grand vision in my head of a Dodger dog from
what I have been told about all this stuff. And
when I went to my first Dodger game and just
got a plain hot, long hot dog wrapped in foil,
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I was supremely disappointed. Yeah, and I I had already
experienced what I think is like LA's better Dogs, which
are those bacon wrapped hot dogs you get literally anywhere,
but mostly outside the Memorial Coliseum during USC games, but
like literally any.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Any give that anywhere, literally anywhere.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Yeah, those danger dogs are everywhere and they'll give you
like Jalapenia with them.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Isn't Pinky's compared to considered the best LA dogs anyway?
And then of course, you know, I mean if you
do the Tommy's tommy'says Burgers, but Tommy's also has dogs.
That's when you get chili chiligers. Yeah, chilie do. Yeah.
What what Profeta is talking about and they do have
it in New York at a lot of places. Is
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you walk out of literally any sort of gathering, like
I would be surprised if when people get done with
family cookouts and they leave the park. These days, there's
like a group of people selling and they smell so good.
But Sofi has there's so Fi the Forum, Uh into it,
Staples Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
I believe the LFC. I believe when the protests were
happening here in La the other month, someone set up
a one of those cards on the one oh one
like they're allwhere Yeah, No, I have a video app.
I will find it and send it to you later.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
That that sounds yes. The point is that when you
walk out of any of these things, there's a hot
dog wrapped in bacon. And this again, this is the
false advertising of the hot dog. Hot dog and bacon,
those are two of the greatest smells. You can be
the most ardent vegetarian you know and walk out and
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go I will, I will forget everything. I've been taught
or any sort of conclusions I've come to about meat
because I have to eat whatever smells so good. So
then you go to Dodger Stadium and you're like, uh,
world famous Dodger dog, give me two, and they're like,
here you go, and you unwrap the foil and there
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is a rather pale hot dog in a fresh, though
moist bun. Right, Yeah, it's it's a it's a bit
of a bummer, A bit of a bummer. Had a
buddy of mine who's in Chicago, who sent me a
picture of hot dogs. Everybody in Chicago knows hot dogs, right,
Chicago dogs as advertised are different than Dodger dogs, which
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are just hot dog foot long hot dogs. Sorry, they're
still good. But whatever you make of them is whatever
you want to put on them anyway. Joey Chestnut seventy
one dogs, I do. I mean, I guess it's because
he took the year off that now we're like a
triumphant return. But it is a little bit of the
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home run derby to me, you know, no matter how
much Chris Berman wants to go back bick ba ba
ba ba baa like it's yeah, that's I don't know.
That's not really you know, it's it's like the eating
like an eating should be. I'd like that eating contest
with those big Porterhouse steaks, right, it was gigantic steaks
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where you get like, gotta eat one and it takes
dudes hours to do. You got like an hour to
eat like a seventy two ounce steak, and you gotta
eat all the crystal and everything else. Whereas the hot
dog thing, I think we've all come to learn there
is some sort of trick to it. I don't know
what the trick is, but it's like a magic trick
(23:27):
that everyone sort of knows and he maybe has cracked
the code on how to make it work better. Right,
Because no matter how hungry you are, you can't get
past five? Can you? Jay Stu? Can I normally eating
a hot dog the hungriest you've ever been? Could you
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get past five?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Probably not five? I will say this, can't even get
past two eight. I always get two hot dogs at
the Dodger game, and it's just pure bliss. Nothing like
a Dodger dog with mustard and onions. That's the necessary thing.
And a beer at a Dodger game. There's just something
about that combination. And if I am really really hungry,
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I'll probably get a third one. But yeah, I think
I think I have to stop at three, don't you.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I think what happens is when you go get the
Dodger Dog, and even when you hit the first beer,
it's like a hot day. You go to a beer, like God,
it's so good. When you go back, I think the
mental mentally, you're trying to get back to that moment
where you're having that first bite bliss again and you
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can't recapture it.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
No, it's the law of diminishing returns. Uh, you know
it definitely the last The next one is not as
good as the last one. For sure.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I'm gonna touch this. Okay, So have you guys been
any been to Miller park Profet your Midwest guye Detroit,
you've been a Miller Parker, I have.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Milwaukee is one of those Midwest sudies I have not
been up to.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So now, Okay, they have these popcorn stands where they
make it fresh. But more than anything, they have the
fresh butter. Obviously it's in their state. When I tell you,
it's the best popcorn I've ever had my life. It's
not like I've just had popcorn and I've gone to
the movies, like I've gone through stretches of having popcorn
every night before I go to bed, like when I do.
(25:24):
I've done college basketball games. I did college basketball games
for twenty two years, Okay, and now as a head coach,
I always have popcorn in Lockerike, they got popcorn can
get me just because it's so easy to get to.
A little salt fills you up, a little bit, smells good, whatever.
So I've had a lot of popcorn in my life.
I've probably chicken is probably the one thing I've had
(25:45):
more than anything else. But outside of chicken, I'm not
sure popcorn isn't right there with hamburgers. Okay in terms
of how many times I have had a p saved
popcorn on a day in my forty nine years on
this earth. Okay, I'm telling you. The popcorn, the fresh
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the fresh made popcorn with the real butter at Miller
Park or now it's called Amerit. Oh man, I need
to know this because it's an insurance company that's big
and family. Oh God, what's the name of the park
that they used to be called American?
Speaker 7 (26:24):
American Family Field.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
At American Family Field. American Family is an insurance company. Anyway,
it's I'm not kidding. It's the best popcorn I've ever
had in my life. And I would challenge anybody now
if you're one of those I like dry popcorn, I'm
not really sure you should should exist on this earth.
But that's okay outside of people who like plane dry popcorn.
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It's the best popcorn ever had. I don't know how
I got that aside.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
That surprises me because they have to mass produce those things,
and you shoually do get the kind of the stale
and a bag popcorn at the ballpark.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
No, but they have the regular popcorn at the regular concessions.
But then they have these red carts and they're like
big red carts. They're not like the little ones that
you can get like in your your game room at
your house, like a big red cart, and there's a
a you know, a woman or a man who's working there.
And then so they have like the popcorn being pop fresh,
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and then next to it they have the butter that's
just like boiling right there next to like real butter,
and they take like a ladle and they like sprinkle
it on and then you take a little salt. You're like,
this is the great thing of ever have my life.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
That sounds amazing.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
It really amazing that way, and it's still Yeah, I
think I haven't had.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Memory.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
There's a trick to it though, because again, when you
try and do the real butter at home, the popcorn
can become mushy, still delicious, become mushy, right whatever. They
especially use a hot butter. The cold butter doesn't work.
So I don't know how they do it. But the
the popcorn still maintains its consistency though it has real
(28:01):
butter spread. How we get it? Oh, we're talking about Jason, Jason, Jason.
Now we're talking about Joey Chess, Joey Chestnut. Yeah, I
just I don't know, guys. I just I love the
pump and circumstance and the sarcasm and how the Nathan's
people approach the whole thing. I do. It's fun, it's light,
(28:22):
nothing else going on. But I gotta be honest with you,
it is like Home Run Derby. We're like, I've seen
this before, I know how it.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Ends, and it's a tough watch.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Like I did.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
I caught the summary to see how he ranked against
his other his other events and everything else. But there's
a TV and studio here, and I could have watched
all seventy one dogs go down. I can't watch these
people eat those hot dogs, and I don't understand the
thirst for that, like people love watching people eat. Like
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it just seems it's just unsettling to me. I'm sorry,
it's not for me.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
I think it's different from watching people eat because I
like plenty of those what do they call them on YouTube?
It's like a Korean word mu muckbang or whatever. It's like,
what is it called mukbang m uk b a ng.
I haven't said anything.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
It's not. I swear, I swear to God it's not.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But I google that is. If I google that will.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Be I think you're safe.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
But I think this is different from watching someone just
have a nice meal. This is like watching someone forcing
down hot dogs well past their limit, like not even
enjoying the food as they're just shoving it down their
gullet and like working out the water and everything. This
is this is not This isn't how this I think
(29:42):
what turns people off from the hot doggie and contest
is like, this isn't how food is supposed to be consumed,
and yet somehow we're just doing something grotesque, beyond beyond
even gluttony.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I feel like I think people watch to see somebody
throw up.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Yeah, that's too, but that also just makes.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's like it's like it's like we were talking about
this earlier, about you know, QFC potentially having a fight
on the White House lawn in a year, Right, there's
a part of me that watches because I like, because
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at the end of some of these fights, you might
have somebody lose an eyeball, you know, you might. They're
just you know, everybody knows that meme with that woman
who just looks like her her face got rained over
by a tractor, right, and she's doing a post postmatch interview. Like,
there's part of me that watches that for somebody's arms
gonna get Oh that's gross. So I do think that
(30:41):
there's a portion of people that watch eating contests because
they're secretly rooting for somebody to just like in stand
by me throw up of everybody else anyway, there's a
recap Joey Chestnut still the world's greatest Nathan's Hot Dog Eating.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
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Speaker 3 (31:09):
Fox Ports Triot Doug Gotlieb Show follows this show on
Fox Sports Radio. I thought we contextualize a little bit
of what Clayton Kershaw was able to accomplish earlier this
week with his three thousandth strikeout with a guy who
faced him both in the regular season, in the playoffs,
(31:30):
and played with him in the All Star Game at times.
Matt Holliday joins us. He played fifteen years in the
Big Seven, time All Star, member of the Saint Louis
Cardinals World Series championship team in twenty eleven. And before
we get to Kershaw and some other stuff in baseball,
we are today's fourth July, so we're roughly what nine
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days away from the Major League Baseball Draft. And for
people know Jackson Holliday, who is a starter for the Orioles.
Matt's oldest son, Ethan Holiday, is a prospect expected to
be selected in this year's first round. Matt, What's what's it?
Like waiting around this time when Jackson went off the
(32:13):
board at one and now you're waiting to see on Ethan,
who was the national high School Player of the Year.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Well, it's, uh, you know, it's kind of an awkward
time as far as for these kids and stuff because
the season ended, you know, for their high school season
ended in May, and then you know they've moved the
draft to the All Star Game, and so there's this
kind of you know, six seven week period of waiting.
(32:41):
But we've been we've been keeping busy. We just went
to Dallas to watch Jackson with the Orioles playing the
Rangers and had a lot of family down there. So
just been working out and staying keeping him, keeping him
as ready as you can without playing games. And then
you know, in about like you said, nine or ten days,
we'll have an idea of who's selecting him and what
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what that looks like and then kind of have a
plan going from there.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
So just kind of enjoying our.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Last bit of uh, you know, summer at home for
a while for him.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So it's been great.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
We've we've enjoyed it and had some good family time
together and taken a couple of trips and but yeah,
so just kind of wait and see what happens. And
you know, at this point nine days out, we're not
sure where he's gonna end up.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Did you when did you know Jackson was going number one?
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Like literally like thirty five seconds before Manford announced it.
I mean, it's a it's one of these things where
you know, seemingly in basketball and football, uh, there's a
great idea, you know, and and leading up to the
draft of who's going number one, and they seemingly have
all the details of the contract already worked out. In baseball,
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it's a little different with the with the draft pool
and the slotting and then you know, teams trying to
figure out if they can negotiate down on on the
on the slot of the first and second third picks
to to try to save money for for picks following that,
maybe kids want overslought, or you know, it's just it's
(34:12):
a it's a it's kind of a different animal, i'd
say than the other major sports drafts.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
But yeah, with Jackson.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
Literally uh maybe maybe like you know, literally the commissioners
walking up to the podium and you know, kind of
agreed to to the the term and then kind of
let Leslie and my wife and and Jackson find out
what the announcement in the rest of the family. So
it was it was chaotic and and right down.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
To the wire and and this time around, do you
have any idea?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
No, we really don't.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
It's it's uh, it's like I said, it's it's it's
kind of a strange deal.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
You know.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
You have talks with with teams and and uh a
lot more in the spring and kind of leading up
to it, and then there's kind of this quiet period
where I think teams collect their front office and and
and their scouts and they start breaking down the potential
prospects of it. And you know, I think that that's
the kind of the process. And then I think, you know,
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we might go right up to the day of before
we have a real clear idea of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Matt Holidays, our guest. You're a seven time All Star.
Fifteen years in the Bigs won a World Series with
the Saint Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals were famous for having
whatever the elixir was to Clayton Kershaw in the playoffs, Right,
was what was the approach when you guys would meet
before you're facing Kershaw in the playoffs. This is prime
(35:33):
peak Clayton Kershaw, best pitcher in baseball? What was the
approach that allowed you guys to be successful in the
playoffs against it?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
You know, I think it was a combination of a
couple of things. I think we had teams the couple
teams that seemingly got to him a little bit. We're
guys that hit the ball in the middle of the field,
weren't weren't relying on pulling the ball, did a good
job of hitting with runners in scoring position. I think
(36:00):
he probably would tell you that he made more mistakes
over the plate in the middle of the plate, uh,
in those games. Then then he's accustomed to and and
he would would make traditionally in his career. So I
think it was a combination of things. We just uh,
and then once you have a little bit of confidence
like that you.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Can do it. And and then you know, as hitters
you feel like, uh, you know you.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Can you can get to him. Then that that helps.
I mean, you know, he's such a dominant pitcher, and
if he gets rolling and and can kind of get
going and and start executing pitches, and if.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
They give him a lead.
Speaker 8 (36:37):
It's very difficult to get to a guy like that,
but once you get to him, once you feel like
maybe you can get to him again. And that that
certainly adds to the team's confidence that you know, if
we keep it close, we can we can get a
big hit and and possibly beat a guy like Clayton Kershaw.
So uh, I would say there was nothing that you
know was was a secretive or you know, like that
(37:01):
we had this special plan that somehow got to Clayton Kershaw.
Was you know, you have to beat Kershaw when when
he makes mistakes, just like any good pitcher, if they
throw the ball in the middle play, you can't miss it,
you can't foul it off, you can't take it.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
You got to be ready to hit.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
And if you if he throws you on that's it's
a that that's a.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Good, good pitch to hit. You've got to hit it.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
And we seemingly were able to do that, uh pretty
well off of him in the postseason. And you know
there was times that particularly and you know at the
time when people thought we had his pitches or we
were stilling signs and none of that was true. I
mean we we we just like I said, we didn't
miss the mistakes.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Okay, then you have like a like, for example, a
Madison Bumgardner, a fraction of the total career of a
Curse Shop. But in the playoffs, had you know, had
at least one far more dominant playoff run the Kershaw
kind of really ever had I guess in your mind,
(37:59):
and you're somebody who's an honest broker, is is he
the best lefty you ever saw? Like? Where where is
Clayton Kershaw in terms of the best lefties you you've
ever faced?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (38:11):
I mean, look, I mean three thousand strikeouts. I mean
you're talking about very rare air. I think if for me, uh,
you know, the I got to face Randy Johnson at
the end of his career. I didn't face peee Randy Johnson,
so uh, you know, as far as just facing a
guy with stuff, but as far as you know, facing
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two of the best lefties you know of all time,
and a couple of guys that I faced, I mean,
I think you know Pete Clay Clayton Kershaw who I faced,
you know, I would say is the best lefty I
ever saw. But I don't want to discount the fact
that I did get to face Randy Johnson. His you know,
his fastball at ticked down, but he was still very difficult. Uh.
But yeah, those those two are are certainly the best
(38:55):
lefties that I ever faced. And I would put Clayton, uh,
you know, up there with with an all time obviously,
you know, this body of his career was was has
been incredible and he's still doing it and you know,
a great guy. You know, I got a chance to
know him off the field and and uh and spend
some time with him, and just an incredible human and
(39:15):
uh just just uh, you know, really happy for him.
Three thousand, like three thousand career strikeouts, the longevity that
it takes, the health, the work and and and then
the you know, the ability to strike out three thousand
batters in the Major League. Some of these records, you know,
as far as now that everybody is his starters only
going five innings and uh, you know two times through
(39:36):
the order. This this uh sort of new new uh
look at starting pitching. I'd be hard to uh to
think that somebody, you know, that might be one of
those numbers that nobody really gets to anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, No, there's We're not gonna have another three hundred
game winner, right, and he's a twentieth pitcher to have
three thousand strikeouts, and it seems very unlikely that in
the currently dscape of baseball, will you ever get to
that again? Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
Yeah, I mean there's there's there's several of these numbers
you start looking at, you know, kind of the way
that the game is trending, that we very difficult, uh,
you know, for anybody to ever get to again.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I did want to ask you about Jacob Misrowski. The
he's the six seven rookie with the Brewers who had
just been mowing everybody down and then you know, ran
into some trouble the other night against against the Mets.
One of the things I love is when and I've
asked you about this about people's swings, but also about
people's stuff and whether or not it lasts. Uh does
(40:36):
does he last? Obviously he just had one game where
people Other than that, he's just been completely dominant. But
it's very very early. What are your thoughts on the
longevity of Miserowski.
Speaker 8 (40:46):
Yeah, I mean I think that when you look at
his stuff, I think certainly, you know, when you're pitching
at the hundred mile an hour and then and then
a little bit over your margin peer is bigger than
everybody else's. It's very difficult to square up one hundred.
And if you look at the stats, I think, you know,
they did hit two homers back to back homers.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I think off of him, but uh, there's not.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
A lot of homers hit one hundred minar plus fastballs,
And so that's that's certainly an advantage for a young
pitcher that that you know, you can make more mistakes
and guys tend to follow them off or or not have,
you know, swing through some of the mistakes you make
in the middle of the plate when you.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Throw that hard.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Really you know, to me, the longevity of it is
to see if you know when it's when his velo
comes down a little bit or as he as he
pitches in a long season in the major leagues.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
And in there's days where you.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
Don't feel great and you're you're not pitching in one
hundred min hour range, and you have to figure out
ways to get guys out when you don't have your
best fastball.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I think that's the true test of.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
Longevity and whether or not you know you have a
chance to be one of the Alzheimer's or you know,
you certainly have the ability, and you look at his
size and body type, is is is what you would
want when you look at at starting pitchers and guys
that that really throw the ball with with a lot
of velocity, but don't have to to do a ton
to do that, like it comes out pretty pretty easy.
(42:08):
He's always been a hard thrower, and so again I
think it goes back to how he can execute his
off speed pitches and then you know whether he can
really come up with you know, command that when you
don't have your best fastball, can you still get out?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
So those are the greats.
Speaker 8 (42:26):
The greats can do, is they can figure out different
ways to get you out even when there's stuff is is.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Tired or not quite what it usually is.
Speaker 8 (42:33):
And so that to me is is the true test
of a guy that is is uh is in it?
You know, going to be a great pitcher for the
long haul.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
You look at top the home run race in Major
League Baseball and there's some some of the usual you
know suspects, right, Otani's there, Judges there, Schwarper's there. But
then yet Kyle Rowley, who's leading the world in home
runs and he's got as many now as he has
in full seasons in his career. How sustainable is this,
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especially for a guy who's playing every day as a catcher.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
Yeah, I mean it's been very impressive. I think, you know,
people Seattle is not a good home run park, and
for him to be doing this in Seattle as a catcher,
I mean, he's had some amazing home run per at
bat numbers and in previous seasons for a catcher, So
I think it is a little bit you know, I
(43:29):
think how many he has already is eye opening. But
I think when you look at you know, like some
of the numbers per at bat that he's had in
this past, you know, it's not totally surprising that he's
he's hitting a bunch of home runs. But I do
think it's worth recognizing that in Seattle as a catcher,
he's doing.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Some amazing things.
Speaker 8 (43:48):
So it'll be interesting to see I think moving forward.
Doug was with when you have a guy with this
kind of home run prowess, do you do you continue
to catch him and you know, in the long term
and possibly wear him down a little bit, or do
you start to look at more of whether he can
transition to a few more dhs and first base type
(44:08):
situations where you really optimally take advantage of the idea
that he could hit fifty homers a year if he's
rested and and.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
You know, playing more games. So I think that's something
to think about.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
But it's been it's been really cool.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
As far as just to watch.
Speaker 8 (44:27):
And he obviously has a great nickname when you call
somebody the big dumper, and he's totally fine with it.
I can get on board with rooting for a guy
like that.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Big dumpers and all timer, Big dumpers and all timer. Well, listen, man,
have a happy fourth always levelless to talk about baseball,
and we'll keep our figures trussed that Ethan doesn't have
to doesn't have to be the other brother not selected
number one overall in a week and a half. We'll
talk to you. Matt.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Okay, sounds a good, Thanks Doug, all
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Right, that's Matt Holiday, good friend and fifteen year old
All Star, seventeen year Major leaguer, seven time All Star,
four time silver slugging the World Series champion in eleven
with the Saint Louis Cardinals,
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Heading out to the beach, head out to a lake,
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on the show. Is it's great to be with you
in the herd. Obviously we're live in places like Los Angeles,
and I always laugh at when we post things from
(01:30):
my show, The Doug Outleap Show, which follows this show
on most Fox Sports radio stations, how people go, like,
get another topic, don't talk about Lebron. By the way,
Mike Colin doing the outside voice thing, right Colin, anyway,
you can accuse me of a lot of things, Chasing
(01:52):
Lebron topic is not one of them. Lebron topic is
a real topic that's really been discussed. And oh yeah,
by the way, it pops up in your algorithm because
it's what people are talking about right now. So, hey, kids,
if you just got back from a vacation with your
family or you haven't really been paying attention, there's this
weird thing that happened with Lebron James and the Lakers
over the past week or so. Right free agency period
(02:16):
open now. Lebron James is not a free agent, but
could have been. Instead, he opted in to his player option,
which you'll pay him roughly fifty three point nine million
dollars next season. But after opting in and signing or
picking up his player option, his agent Rich Paul released
(02:40):
a statement saying, and I'm not going to quote it's
not forbatim, but basically it's like, hey, Lebron wants to
win a championship, so the Lakers are on a different
timeline of winning a championship. So hey, we just want
you to know Lebron wants to win a championship. It
insinuates that he, you know, Pass Tens relationship kind of
(03:01):
over or coming to an end, and he doesn't think
that they can win a championship as currently comprised in LA,
So he's open to any possibilities. The number one thing,
one on one takeaway you should have. You're like, why
should I care? Again? I'm not going to sit here
(03:22):
and argue with you whether or not you think Lebron,
Magic Bird Jordan, Wilt Kareem are the greatest players of
all time.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
There's just you know, this is like the Lebron Jordan
argument is like the abortion argument. You know what, have
fun trying to win that one on social media? There
is no win. So this doesn't come from a place
of I don't think Lebron James is the best player
(03:52):
of all time, but it does come from a place
of let's just kind of be honest. Is there anyone
out there who would argue that Luca is at minimum
a top ten and more likely a top five player
went healthy in the NBA And you're all sitting there
(04:12):
driving around, and you know, you get your kids in
the car, and you're saying, all right, that's reasonable, top ten, minimum,
top five, Okay, how you want your list to be.
And you know, well, we didn't have the top five
then Jason Tatum towards Achilles and I don't know what
Yahn is and whatever, like all right, Like, I'm not
going to push any argument more than it. I know
he's one of the two or three best players in
(04:35):
the sport that I love that I played that a coach,
But again, not trying to win arguments. We're just trying
to find middle ground there, right, Okay, So if he's
a top ten player, and they are a good portion
of people, especially ones on TV, who will watch Lebron
play on a given night, throw up Lebron's stats and
(04:57):
say we Lebron still both player in the NBA. Now again,
I'm not gonna argue that. I know that most of
us know that not to be true. But if you
think Lebron James is a top ten or top fifteen player,
and you're in a sport where suddenly now we have
more parody than we've ever had in our lifetime. Eight
champions over the last eight years, and many of the
(05:20):
teams that are seen as the league's elite have lost play.
I mean, the three of the best teams in the
East have lost elite players. Do an Achilles tenant tear?
And as much as we talk about the West, as
if all the Western the Warriors aren't good enough as
currently comprised to compete for a championship, the Wolves aren't
(05:44):
good enough to compete for a championship best currently comprised
the Rockets. We think with Kevin Durant, it'll make them better.
I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan, but it hasn't worked
in his past. What two stops close to working in
Brooklyn not his fault. They had injuries and then the
dysfunction that followed didn't work in Phoenix. Any argument there, Okay,
(06:08):
So all these things were like oh, the West is
so like, you know, Clippers seem like they're kind of
over the hill with what they're doing now, Warriors are
over the hill. Timberwolves just don't have enough spurs. Probably
a year away, maybe two away from really competing atop rockets.
You know, they look better, but again, at some point
(06:30):
you're gonna get declining return on Kevin Durant's it's there's
better depth. Denver has no bench, right, they're fragile, they're
not great. They're still have Yokic. So if you want
to make a depth of good teams, but if we're
honest with ourselves, Lebron and his camp admitting the Lakers
(06:55):
can't win as they are not focusing on or trying
to in his mind, or they're you know, really how
it lands on everybody. They're not good enough to win
a championship with Lebron and with Luca. If you're not
good enough to compete for a championship and you have
two top fifteen, top ten players in the league, then boy,
(07:16):
the league must be really good and it's not. So
what Lebron and everybody else is admitting without knowing their
admitting is Lebron's no longer a top fifteen, top twenty player.
He's for forty. He's amazing, but in reality he's just not.
He doesn't defend with the same energy. He can be
(07:37):
hard to play with, and there are knights in which
he just doesn't have it and those knights will likely
increase over time. Right doesn't play all the games, has
gotten hurt what like five of the seven years in
which he's been in LA. So this idea that let's
just eliminate that from your argument Lebron's a top ten player, No,
he's not. If he was, then there's no way in
(07:59):
hell anybody would say that the Lakers can't win a championship.
And most of us know Lakers can't win a championship,
including Lebron James. So if we start with that that
things have changed, Lebron has to adjust to where he is,
but he still wants to play for a championship contender
and he does not think the Lakers are championship contenders.
(08:23):
There is only one other possible argument. If he doesn't
think the Lakers are championship contenders, or says that it's
that Lebron is pouting because now they're doing everything to
focus on Luca and what makes Luca his the best
version of himself? A lot Lebron James. But let's pretend,
for at least the radio show and for this argument,
(08:43):
that Lebron James is in fact the bigger man. Lebron
James has nothing. He just wants to win, wants to
be part of a champion. Doesn't see it, doesn't feel
it because he knows in his heart he's not nearly
as good as he used to be. Well, if that's
the case, then what actions has Lebron actually taken to
(09:06):
be solely focused on winning a championship over the past
couple of years with the Lakers. Keep in mind, they've
acus to anything that he wanted. Hey, you want jj
Read to be the coach? Done? You want us to
move mountains first to trade for Anthony Davis. Remember they
tried to trade for him, couldn't get it. Then Rich Paul,
(09:27):
who also reps Anthony Davis, was like, gotta have Anthony Davis.
So they moved on earth, heaven and earth to get him.
They get him. They went a COVID championship. Okay, but
they deplete all their most of their reserves. And then
when they wanted to add another player. It was going
to be DeMar de rozen done, only Lebron stepped in.
It's like Nana, Na, we want Russell Westbrook. You want
(09:50):
Russell Westbrook, not Tomrtre Rosen. Sure, let's overpay to get
Russell Westbrook. They get Russell Westbrook. The good vibes last
all of I don't know among two months, and then
Lebron turns the cold shoulder that relationship stide. Don't worry,
we won't hold it against Lebron. We'll just move on
from Westbrook and then ultimately move on from our coaches.
(10:11):
After moving on from from you know, Frank who wins
your championship, and then you know, you move on from
Darvin Ham. Now you go get JJ Reddick. And then
they draft Bronnie and kind of forced themselves to go, yeah, no, no,
Bronni has earned all of this. Then they play Bronnie James,
(10:35):
one of the last picks in the draft, in the
second round on opening night in the NBA, doesn't happen normally,
doesn't normally get four year guaranteed contracts, and then their
G League team is turned into a Lebron James sponsored
AAU team where it's just about Bronnie getting buckets, and
about making Bronnie look like he's ready to play in
the NBA. They've done all these things. Oh, the only
(10:59):
thing they did that maybe he didn't like was trade
away the big guy who is repped by the same
agent and upgraded for a trade that the entire world
thinks they won, The entire world thinks they want. Like,
I don't think the win disparity is that great. Like
(11:20):
I don't think it was. They literally trade away a
box of basketballs used outside for one of the greatest
players in the world. They trade away Anthony Davis, who's
a tremendous two way player. Okays, And really what Dallas
wanted to do is reconfigure themselves, make themselves the most
(11:43):
dynamic defensive team in the league, and tap into the
potential of Anthony Davis, which still seems to be limitless,
only limited by injuries. And of course Anthony Davis, as
he's prone to do, gets hurt when he gets there.
But the it's not that big of a win. But
it's a win, and anybody would argue as such. Right,
(12:06):
So what are you actually mad about that the Lakers
want to trade with the Mavericks that the Lakers are
going to be relevant for the next decade. I think
the problem people are bothered with the most. This comes
from me, This comes from colin, This comes from government,
This comes from teachers, comes from parents, comes to from athletes.
(12:35):
I can take your opinion if it's the opposite of mine.
What I can't take or your ideas or your thoughts
or you know, if you have a plan, you go do.
What you can't take is hypocrisy. If you want to
play for a championship and you don't think it's in
LA and all that's important to you at the end
(12:55):
of your career is winning a championship, well then just
don't pick up your player option and you're a free
agent and go where the hell you want, go wherever
you want. Well, then what do we do with Bronnie?
Well again, like again, if if Bronnie isn't tied to you,
if it wasn't a Daddy Ball deal, and then that
shouldn't matter to you. Of course it matters to you,
(13:17):
and they can figure it out. They can trade Bonnie
for nothing and get stuff something back and return or whatever.
It's just it's just hypocrisy. Don't tell me that you
don't tell me that Lebron's a top ten player and
then say, playing with Luka Doncik, they can't win a championship.
Don't tell me winning a championship competing for is all
(13:38):
that's important. And then pick up even if you are
gonna stay in LA if you really want to win
a championship, of course you could take less money. And
to people who say he's Lebron James, he doesn't have
to take less money. He doesn't unless he truly believes
knows he needs more help based upon the current structure
(13:59):
of the salary cap in the NBA. And oh yeah,
by the way, there's all kinds of creative contracts where
you can backload it and do player options and at
the end of the day they can buy you out
of your last contract so that you get a walk
away bonus that ends up equaling out what you would
have made this year. Like all that stuff is reasonable.
(14:22):
But this is not an opening rant. Doug Godlive been
for Collin the Herd on Foxford's Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
This is not me telling you he's a terrible person
or he's a bad basketball player. But what you can't
have is somebody being a complete hypocrite time and again
and not get called on it, not get called on.
(14:45):
It's what irritates us about so many people in power
is you say one thing and you do another. And
that's where we are with Lebron James. And so either
he's a hypocrite and the money is really what's important
and this is just for show, or he and his
(15:08):
crew is the being babies because it's no longer about
him and it's always been about him.
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Speaker 3 (15:53):
What up, Welcome in this Urged the Herd, whatever you
may be in, how review may be making this part
of your day. I don't know what sentence was. Thanks
so much. I'm Doug Gottliebe in for Colin Cowhard and
for the next two hours, I want to talk swords
with you from Powway to Escondido, all the way up
(16:13):
to Santa Clarita. Jason Stewart in about five people in
southern California smiled and knew what that was or who
that was. Joey Chestnut just ate seventy two dogs in
the Hot dog Eating contest. Right, there is something about
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the Hot Dog Eating Contest which feels feels a lot
like the Home Run Derby. It's a lot like the
Home Run Derby. You know, when it first made it
big and it was Kobayashi, it was cool. Then all
of a sudden, you know, we have this Joey Chestnut
character comes out of nowhere and just can crush dogs
(17:00):
like nothing we seen before. Then last year he was
he did like some sponsorship deal with the meatless hot Dog, which, yeah,
that sounds pretty terrible. I'm just not gonna lie to you.
I don't know. They do not sponsor this show. But
and I'm not decrying any brand. And I don't even
like hot dogs. Yeah that's me. I don't. I mean,
(17:21):
I'll eat one. I mean they're still delicious, but I
don't like them just because hot dogs are. They're like popcorn.
They don't always taste good, but they always smell really good.
And there's a little they kind of over promise and underdeliver.
I'm I'm not gonna lie to you. And look, there's
lots of great styles of eating hot dogs. I love
(17:42):
a Chicago dog. It's different. It's an eque. You know, hey,
throw tomatoes, a little whatever was little pickle thingies are
in there. You know they're they're good. You can be
a snob and say you can't eat ketch up on
your hot dog. I disagree, Jay stew you and I
have discussed. There's nothing special about a Dodger dog. It's
just a hot dog that's bought at a Dodger game.
(18:04):
But for whatever reason, the simplicity of the execution makes
you think you're buying something worth the I don't even
know how much dodge dog is now, but whatever you're
ever paying for it.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
It also speaks to the It also speaks to the
power of a literation. If you make something illiterative in
this country, people think it's a much bigger deal than
it is. It's the Dodger dog, is it? Kind of
a lengthy hot dog that tastes the same as most
hot dogs, but they're Dodger dogs. So there's some gravity
(18:36):
to that for whatever reason, and it works. They're not
going to run from it. So yeah, it speaks to
the literation. And by the way, Chestnut, he crushed seventy
one hot dogs today. The record by him was seventy
six and ten minutes. But he did, I think, eat
twenty five more hot dogs than second place. He crushed
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the field. A remarkable return by the champion.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So so if he goes from seventy six to seventy one,
is this like you know, when your velo is just
slightly down as a picture like still dominant, but you
can see that we that we're no longer peak Chestnut.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Yeah, and he's got to follow more creative ways to win,
you know.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, well, so now he's not a thrower now, he's
more of a pictures now he's not an eater. He's
more of a chure. I don't know what the I
don't know what the what the what? The proper term
is uh profet you hit something? Yeah, I'm pump fake.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
This if I may, If if, are you interested in
my story of my first Dodger dog because I am
not from LA like you and uh am Southern California
like you and you and Jason. Because I had this
grand vision in my head of a Dodger dog from
what I have been told about all this stuff. And
when I went to my first Dodger game and just
got a plain hot, long hot dog wrapped in foil,
(19:55):
I was supremely disappointed. Yeah, and I I had already
experienced what I think is like LA's better Dogs, which
are those bacon wrapped hot dogs you get literally anywhere,
but mostly outside the Memorial Coliseum during USC games, but
like literally any.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Any give that anywhere, literally anywhere.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Yeah, those danger dogs are everywhere and they'll give you
like Jalapenia with them.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Isn't Pinky's compared to considered the best LA dogs anyway?
And then of course, you know, I mean if you
do the Tommy's tommy'says Burgers, but Tommy's also has dogs.
That's when you get chili chiligers. Yeah, chilie do. Yeah.
What what Profeta is talking about and they do have
it in New York at a lot of places. Is
(20:39):
you walk out of literally any sort of gathering, like
I would be surprised if when people get done with
family cookouts and they leave the park. These days, there's
like a group of people selling and they smell so good.
But Sofi has there's so Fi the Forum, Uh into it,
Staples Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
I believe the LFC. I believe when the protests were
happening here in La the other month, someone set up
a one of those cards on the one oh one
like they're allwhere Yeah, No, I have a video app.
I will find it and send it to you later.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
That that sounds yes. The point is that when you
walk out of any of these things, there's a hot
dog wrapped in bacon. And this again, this is the
false advertising of the hot dog. Hot dog and bacon,
those are two of the greatest smells. You can be
the most ardent vegetarian you know and walk out and
(21:34):
go I will, I will forget everything. I've been taught
or any sort of conclusions I've come to about meat
because I have to eat whatever smells so good. So
then you go to Dodger Stadium and you're like, uh,
world famous Dodger dog, give me two, and they're like,
here you go, and you unwrap the foil and there
(21:57):
is a rather pale hot dog in a fresh, though
moist bun. Right, Yeah, it's it's a it's a bit
of a bummer, A bit of a bummer. Had a
buddy of mine who's in Chicago, who sent me a
picture of hot dogs. Everybody in Chicago knows hot dogs, right,
Chicago dogs as advertised are different than Dodger dogs, which
(22:22):
are just hot dog foot long hot dogs. Sorry, they're
still good. But whatever you make of them is whatever
you want to put on them anyway. Joey Chestnut seventy
one dogs, I do. I mean, I guess it's because
he took the year off that now we're like a
triumphant return. But it is a little bit of the
(22:43):
home run derby to me, you know, no matter how
much Chris Berman wants to go back bick ba ba
ba ba baa like it's yeah, that's I don't know.
That's not really you know, it's it's like the eating
like an eating should be. I'd like that eating contest
with those big Porterhouse steaks, right, it was gigantic steaks
(23:07):
where you get like, gotta eat one and it takes
dudes hours to do. You got like an hour to
eat like a seventy two ounce steak, and you gotta
eat all the crystal and everything else. Whereas the hot
dog thing, I think we've all come to learn there
is some sort of trick to it. I don't know
what the trick is, but it's like a magic trick
(23:27):
that everyone sort of knows and he maybe has cracked
the code on how to make it work better. Right,
Because no matter how hungry you are, you can't get
past five? Can you? Jay Stu? Can I normally eating
a hot dog the hungriest you've ever been? Could you
(23:48):
get past five?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Probably not five? I will say this, can't even get
past two eight. I always get two hot dogs at
the Dodger game, and it's just pure bliss. Nothing like
a Dodger dog with mustard and onions. That's the necessary thing.
And a beer at a Dodger game. There's just something
about that combination. And if I am really really hungry,
(24:14):
I'll probably get a third one. But yeah, I think
I think I have to stop at three, don't you.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I think what happens is when you go get the
Dodger Dog, and even when you hit the first beer,
it's like a hot day. You go to a beer, like God,
it's so good. When you go back, I think the
mental mentally, you're trying to get back to that moment
where you're having that first bite bliss again and you
(24:44):
can't recapture it.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
No, it's the law of diminishing returns. Uh, you know
it definitely the last The next one is not as
good as the last one. For sure.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I'm gonna touch this. Okay, So have you guys been
any been to Miller park Profet your Midwest guye Detroit,
you've been a Miller Parker, I have.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Milwaukee is one of those Midwest sudies I have not
been up to.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So now, Okay, they have these popcorn stands where they
make it fresh. But more than anything, they have the
fresh butter. Obviously it's in their state. When I tell you,
it's the best popcorn I've ever had my life. It's
not like I've just had popcorn and I've gone to
the movies, like I've gone through stretches of having popcorn
every night before I go to bed, like when I do.
(25:24):
I've done college basketball games. I did college basketball games
for twenty two years, Okay, and now as a head coach,
I always have popcorn in Lockerike, they got popcorn can
get me just because it's so easy to get to.
A little salt fills you up, a little bit, smells good, whatever.
So I've had a lot of popcorn in my life.
I've probably chicken is probably the one thing I've had
(25:45):
more than anything else. But outside of chicken, I'm not
sure popcorn isn't right there with hamburgers. Okay in terms
of how many times I have had a p saved
popcorn on a day in my forty nine years on
this earth. Okay, I'm telling you. The popcorn, the fresh
(26:07):
the fresh made popcorn with the real butter at Miller
Park or now it's called Amerit. Oh man, I need
to know this because it's an insurance company that's big
and family. Oh God, what's the name of the park
that they used to be called American?
Speaker 7 (26:24):
American Family Field.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
At American Family Field. American Family is an insurance company. Anyway,
it's I'm not kidding. It's the best popcorn I've ever
had in my life. And I would challenge anybody now
if you're one of those I like dry popcorn, I'm
not really sure you should should exist on this earth.
But that's okay outside of people who like plane dry popcorn.
(26:49):
It's the best popcorn ever had. I don't know how
I got that aside.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
That surprises me because they have to mass produce those things,
and you shoually do get the kind of the stale
and a bag popcorn at the ballpark.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
No, but they have the regular popcorn at the regular concessions.
But then they have these red carts and they're like
big red carts. They're not like the little ones that
you can get like in your your game room at
your house, like a big red cart, and there's a
a you know, a woman or a man who's working there.
And then so they have like the popcorn being pop fresh,
(27:22):
and then next to it they have the butter that's
just like boiling right there next to like real butter,
and they take like a ladle and they like sprinkle
it on and then you take a little salt. You're like,
this is the great thing of ever have my life.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
That sounds amazing.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
It really amazing that way, and it's still Yeah, I
think I haven't had.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Memory.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
There's a trick to it though, because again, when you
try and do the real butter at home, the popcorn
can become mushy, still delicious, become mushy, right whatever. They
especially use a hot butter. The cold butter doesn't work.
So I don't know how they do it. But the
the popcorn still maintains its consistency though it has real
(28:01):
butter spread. How we get it? Oh, we're talking about Jason, Jason, Jason.
Now we're talking about Joey Chess, Joey Chestnut. Yeah, I
just I don't know, guys. I just I love the
pump and circumstance and the sarcasm and how the Nathan's
people approach the whole thing. I do. It's fun, it's light,
(28:22):
nothing else going on. But I gotta be honest with you,
it is like Home Run Derby. We're like, I've seen
this before, I know how it.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Ends, and it's a tough watch.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Like I did.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
I caught the summary to see how he ranked against
his other his other events and everything else. But there's
a TV and studio here, and I could have watched
all seventy one dogs go down. I can't watch these
people eat those hot dogs, and I don't understand the
thirst for that, like people love watching people eat. Like
(28:54):
it just seems it's just unsettling to me. I'm sorry,
it's not for me.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
I think it's different from watching people eat because I
like plenty of those what do they call them on YouTube?
It's like a Korean word mu muckbang or whatever. It's like,
what is it called mukbang m uk b a ng.
I haven't said anything.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
It's not. I swear, I swear to God it's not.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But I google that is. If I google that will.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Be I think you're safe.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
But I think this is different from watching someone just
have a nice meal. This is like watching someone forcing
down hot dogs well past their limit, like not even
enjoying the food as they're just shoving it down their
gullet and like working out the water and everything. This
is this is not This isn't how this I think
(29:42):
what turns people off from the hot doggie and contest
is like, this isn't how food is supposed to be consumed,
and yet somehow we're just doing something grotesque, beyond beyond
even gluttony.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I feel like I think people watch to see somebody
throw up.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Yeah, that's too, but that also just makes.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's like it's like it's like we were talking about
this earlier, about you know, QFC potentially having a fight
on the White House lawn in a year, Right, there's
a part of me that watches because I like, because
(30:21):
at the end of some of these fights, you might
have somebody lose an eyeball, you know, you might. They're
just you know, everybody knows that meme with that woman
who just looks like her her face got rained over
by a tractor, right, and she's doing a post postmatch interview. Like,
there's part of me that watches that for somebody's arms
gonna get Oh that's gross. So I do think that
(30:41):
there's a portion of people that watch eating contests because
they're secretly rooting for somebody to just like in stand
by me throw up of everybody else anyway, there's a
recap Joey Chestnut still the world's greatest Nathan's Hot Dog Eating.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
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Speaker 3 (31:06):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Oh sorry, Doug Gollibin for Collins.
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The Herd.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Fox Ports Triot Doug Gotlieb Show follows this show on
Fox Sports Radio. I thought we contextualize a little bit
of what Clayton Kershaw was able to accomplish earlier this
week with his three thousandth strikeout with a guy who
faced him both in the regular season, in the playoffs,
(31:30):
and played with him in the All Star Game at times.
Matt Holliday joins us. He played fifteen years in the
Big Seven, time All Star, member of the Saint Louis
Cardinals World Series championship team in twenty eleven. And before
we get to Kershaw and some other stuff in baseball,
we are today's fourth July, so we're roughly what nine
(31:52):
days away from the Major League Baseball Draft. And for
people know Jackson Holliday, who is a starter for the Orioles.
Matt's oldest son, Ethan Holiday, is a prospect expected to
be selected in this year's first round. Matt, What's what's it?
Like waiting around this time when Jackson went off the
(32:13):
board at one and now you're waiting to see on Ethan,
who was the national high School Player of the Year.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Well, it's, uh, you know, it's kind of an awkward
time as far as for these kids and stuff because
the season ended, you know, for their high school season
ended in May, and then you know they've moved the
draft to the All Star Game, and so there's this
kind of you know, six seven week period of waiting.
(32:41):
But we've been we've been keeping busy. We just went
to Dallas to watch Jackson with the Orioles playing the
Rangers and had a lot of family down there. So
just been working out and staying keeping him, keeping him
as ready as you can without playing games. And then
you know, in about like you said, nine or ten days,
we'll have an idea of who's selecting him and what
(33:01):
what that looks like and then kind of have a
plan going from there.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
So just kind of enjoying our.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Last bit of uh, you know, summer at home for
a while for him.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So it's been great.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
We've we've enjoyed it and had some good family time
together and taken a couple of trips and but yeah,
so just kind of wait and see what happens. And
you know, at this point nine days out, we're not
sure where he's gonna end up.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Did you when did you know Jackson was going number one?
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Like literally like thirty five seconds before Manford announced it.
I mean, it's a it's one of these things where
you know, seemingly in basketball and football, uh, there's a
great idea, you know, and and leading up to the
draft of who's going number one, and they seemingly have
all the details of the contract already worked out. In baseball,
(33:50):
it's a little different with the with the draft pool
and the slotting and then you know, teams trying to
figure out if they can negotiate down on on the
on the slot of the first and second third picks
to to try to save money for for picks following that,
maybe kids want overslought, or you know, it's just it's
(34:12):
a it's a it's kind of a different animal, i'd
say than the other major sports drafts.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
But yeah, with Jackson.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
Literally uh maybe maybe like you know, literally the commissioners
walking up to the podium and you know, kind of
agreed to to the the term and then kind of
let Leslie and my wife and and Jackson find out
what the announcement in the rest of the family. So
it was it was chaotic and and right down.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
To the wire and and this time around, do you
have any idea?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
No, we really don't.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
It's it's uh, it's like I said, it's it's it's
kind of a strange deal.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
You know.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
You have talks with with teams and and uh a
lot more in the spring and kind of leading up
to it, and then there's kind of this quiet period
where I think teams collect their front office and and
and their scouts and they start breaking down the potential
prospects of it. And you know, I think that that's
the kind of the process. And then I think, you know,
(35:07):
we might go right up to the day of before
we have a real clear idea of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Matt Holidays, our guest. You're a seven time All Star.
Fifteen years in the Bigs won a World Series with
the Saint Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals were famous for having
whatever the elixir was to Clayton Kershaw in the playoffs, Right,
was what was the approach when you guys would meet
before you're facing Kershaw in the playoffs. This is prime
(35:33):
peak Clayton Kershaw, best pitcher in baseball? What was the
approach that allowed you guys to be successful in the
playoffs against it?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
You know, I think it was a combination of a
couple of things. I think we had teams the couple
teams that seemingly got to him a little bit. We're
guys that hit the ball in the middle of the field,
weren't weren't relying on pulling the ball, did a good
job of hitting with runners in scoring position. I think
(36:00):
he probably would tell you that he made more mistakes
over the plate in the middle of the plate, uh,
in those games. Then then he's accustomed to and and
he would would make traditionally in his career. So I
think it was a combination of things. We just uh,
and then once you have a little bit of confidence
like that you.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Can do it. And and then you know, as hitters
you feel like, uh, you know you.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Can you can get to him. Then that that helps.
I mean, you know, he's such a dominant pitcher, and
if he gets rolling and and can kind of get
going and and start executing pitches, and if.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
They give him a lead.
Speaker 8 (36:37):
It's very difficult to get to a guy like that,
but once you get to him, once you feel like
maybe you can get to him again. And that that
certainly adds to the team's confidence that you know, if
we keep it close, we can we can get a
big hit and and possibly beat a guy like Clayton Kershaw.
So uh, I would say there was nothing that you
know was was a secretive or you know, like that
(37:01):
we had this special plan that somehow got to Clayton Kershaw.
Was you know, you have to beat Kershaw when when
he makes mistakes, just like any good pitcher, if they
throw the ball in the middle play, you can't miss it,
you can't foul it off, you can't take it.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
You got to be ready to hit.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
And if you if he throws you on that's it's
a that that's a.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Good, good pitch to hit. You've got to hit it.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
And we seemingly were able to do that, uh pretty
well off of him in the postseason. And you know
there was times that particularly and you know at the
time when people thought we had his pitches or we
were stilling signs and none of that was true. I
mean we we we just like I said, we didn't
miss the mistakes.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Okay, then you have like a like, for example, a
Madison Bumgardner, a fraction of the total career of a
Curse Shop. But in the playoffs, had you know, had
at least one far more dominant playoff run the Kershaw
kind of really ever had I guess in your mind,
(37:59):
and you're somebody who's an honest broker, is is he
the best lefty you ever saw? Like? Where where is
Clayton Kershaw in terms of the best lefties you you've
ever faced?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (38:11):
I mean, look, I mean three thousand strikeouts. I mean
you're talking about very rare air. I think if for me, uh,
you know, the I got to face Randy Johnson at
the end of his career. I didn't face peee Randy Johnson,
so uh, you know, as far as just facing a
guy with stuff, but as far as you know, facing
(38:32):
two of the best lefties you know of all time,
and a couple of guys that I faced, I mean,
I think you know Pete Clay Clayton Kershaw who I faced,
you know, I would say is the best lefty I
ever saw. But I don't want to discount the fact
that I did get to face Randy Johnson. His you know,
his fastball at ticked down, but he was still very difficult. Uh.
But yeah, those those two are are certainly the best
(38:55):
lefties that I ever faced. And I would put Clayton, uh,
you know, up there with with an all time obviously,
you know, this body of his career was was has
been incredible and he's still doing it and you know,
a great guy. You know, I got a chance to
know him off the field and and uh and spend
some time with him, and just an incredible human and
(39:15):
uh just just uh, you know, really happy for him.
Three thousand, like three thousand career strikeouts, the longevity that
it takes, the health, the work and and and then
the you know, the ability to strike out three thousand
batters in the Major League. Some of these records, you know,
as far as now that everybody is his starters only
going five innings and uh, you know two times through
(39:36):
the order. This this uh sort of new new uh
look at starting pitching. I'd be hard to uh to
think that somebody, you know, that might be one of
those numbers that nobody really gets to anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, No, there's We're not gonna have another three hundred
game winner, right, and he's a twentieth pitcher to have
three thousand strikeouts, and it seems very unlikely that in
the currently dscape of baseball, will you ever get to
that again? Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
Yeah, I mean there's there's there's several of these numbers
you start looking at, you know, kind of the way
that the game is trending, that we very difficult, uh,
you know, for anybody to ever get to again.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I did want to ask you about Jacob Misrowski. The
he's the six seven rookie with the Brewers who had
just been mowing everybody down and then you know, ran
into some trouble the other night against against the Mets.
One of the things I love is when and I've
asked you about this about people's swings, but also about
people's stuff and whether or not it lasts. Uh does
(40:36):
does he last? Obviously he just had one game where
people Other than that, he's just been completely dominant. But
it's very very early. What are your thoughts on the
longevity of Miserowski.
Speaker 8 (40:46):
Yeah, I mean I think that when you look at
his stuff, I think certainly, you know, when you're pitching
at the hundred mile an hour and then and then
a little bit over your margin peer is bigger than
everybody else's. It's very difficult to square up one hundred.
And if you look at the stats, I think, you know,
they did hit two homers back to back homers.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I think off of him, but uh, there's not.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
A lot of homers hit one hundred minar plus fastballs,
And so that's that's certainly an advantage for a young
pitcher that that you know, you can make more mistakes
and guys tend to follow them off or or not have,
you know, swing through some of the mistakes you make
in the middle of the plate when you.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Throw that hard.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Really you know, to me, the longevity of it is
to see if you know when it's when his velo
comes down a little bit or as he as he
pitches in a long season in the major leagues.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
And in there's days where you.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
Don't feel great and you're you're not pitching in one
hundred min hour range, and you have to figure out
ways to get guys out when you don't have your
best fastball.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I think that's the true test of.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
Longevity and whether or not you know you have a
chance to be one of the Alzheimer's or you know,
you certainly have the ability, and you look at his
size and body type, is is is what you would
want when you look at at starting pitchers and guys
that that really throw the ball with with a lot
of velocity, but don't have to to do a ton
to do that, like it comes out pretty pretty easy.
(42:08):
He's always been a hard thrower, and so again I
think it goes back to how he can execute his
off speed pitches and then you know whether he can
really come up with you know, command that when you
don't have your best fastball, can you still get out?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
So those are the greats.
Speaker 8 (42:26):
The greats can do, is they can figure out different
ways to get you out even when there's stuff is is.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Tired or not quite what it usually is.
Speaker 8 (42:33):
And so that to me is is the true test
of a guy that is is uh is in it?
You know, going to be a great pitcher for the
long haul.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
You look at top the home run race in Major
League Baseball and there's some some of the usual you
know suspects, right, Otani's there, Judges there, Schwarper's there. But
then yet Kyle Rowley, who's leading the world in home
runs and he's got as many now as he has
in full seasons in his career. How sustainable is this,
(43:03):
especially for a guy who's playing every day as a catcher.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
Yeah, I mean it's been very impressive. I think, you know,
people Seattle is not a good home run park, and
for him to be doing this in Seattle as a catcher,
I mean, he's had some amazing home run per at
bat numbers and in previous seasons for a catcher, So
I think it is a little bit you know, I
(43:29):
think how many he has already is eye opening. But
I think when you look at you know, like some
of the numbers per at bat that he's had in
this past, you know, it's not totally surprising that he's
he's hitting a bunch of home runs. But I do
think it's worth recognizing that in Seattle as a catcher,
he's doing.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Some amazing things.
Speaker 8 (43:48):
So it'll be interesting to see I think moving forward.
Doug was with when you have a guy with this
kind of home run prowess, do you do you continue
to catch him and you know, in the long term
and possibly wear him down a little bit, or do
you start to look at more of whether he can
transition to a few more dhs and first base type
(44:08):
situations where you really optimally take advantage of the idea
that he could hit fifty homers a year if he's
rested and and.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
You know, playing more games. So I think that's something
to think about.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
But it's been it's been really cool.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
As far as just to watch.
Speaker 8 (44:27):
And he obviously has a great nickname when you call
somebody the big dumper, and he's totally fine with it.
I can get on board with rooting for a guy
like that.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Big dumpers and all timer, Big dumpers and all timer. Well, listen, man,
have a happy fourth always levelless to talk about baseball,
and we'll keep our figures trussed that Ethan doesn't have
to doesn't have to be the other brother not selected
number one overall in a week and a half. We'll
talk to you. Matt.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Okay, sounds a good, Thanks Doug, all
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Right, that's Matt Holiday, good friend and fifteen year old
All Star, seventeen year Major leaguer, seven time All Star,
four time silver slugging the World Series champion in eleven
with the Saint Louis Cardinals,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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