August 16, 2018 • 42 mins
Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin and says that Jalen Ramsey is talking about his competition the way most athletes do behind closed doors. He talks with 3x Super Bowl Champion Eric Mangini. Plus, is Rob Gronkowski being a dumb jock for real or just part of his brand that makes him more money. Presented by Perky Jerky.
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the Herd, however you may be and wherever you may
be making as part of your day. Thanks so much
for joining us. I'm Doug Gottlie filling in with a legendary,
legendary Canadian explorer, Colin Coward. All Things Canada Today is
Colin will return from Canada back on air Monday, speaking
of Canada, m joined by one of Canadian Canada's finest,
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Rachel Bonetta joins me as well, back from her Russian
tour of duty covering the World Cup. Rachel, so nice
to have you alongside. Thank you for having me by
the way. I love that you say, what up? It's
very millennial of you, is it just kind of no? No,
I don't know. Listen, you have a thing, you do
your thing that's my kind of my thing. He does ah,
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which I don't even know. It's not even a word,
but it's odd, but it is. It is collins Um
speaking of having a thing and doing your thing. Isn't
that what Jalen Ramsey is doing. We'll get to Jalen
Ramsey in just a moment. Eric Mangini's gonna join us,
the man genius half past the hour, Bruce Feldman will
join us as we'll talk a little college football, the
stuff going on at Maryland and what might go down
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today or very soon at the Ohio State University. We
got some gronk, we got some great Eli manning for
the first time ever with that kind of drop the
mic quip if you will. We'll get to that. Darryl
Moorey saying that Lebron is the Goat by a pretty
substantial margin. I'll give you my thoughts on that, and
we'll get you ready for a good slate of preseason
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NFL games, which, um, look, if you watch preseason NFL games,
that's cool, but do not overreact like you have to
watch them going. Don't ever preseason football. Don't overreact preseason foball,
don't overrect preseason football also really difficult to to tell
you don't bet on preseason football. I'm not sure where
the pantheon of things you most want to bet on,
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but somewhere in the neighborhood of w NBA scores are
the w n B A is where preseason football ranks
and things I would not bet on. All Right, we
gotta we gotta a metric ton to get to. I
want to start with this though. Jalen Ramsey just supplied
us with and unbelievable amount of sports radio and sports
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television fodder, didn't he He like, did our jobs for us. Listen,
don't get me wrong. We are all excited about football
season because we become a football country, and we're mere
weeks away from college football kicking off, and then a
couple of weeks further way from the NFL kicking off.
One of the issues that sometimes you run into during
college football season during the NFL season is sometimes Wednesday,
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you don't have the games to talk about, and there's
not anything else to talk about, and in the off
season you're just hoping, hoping, like this is just years
of research, tons of stuff. Thank you very much, Jalen Ramsey.
He had an interview with g Q apparently got very
comfy and started doing what we wish guys would do.
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Jalen Ramsey said what he thinks. Huh shocker. There here's
the cold, honest truth, Jalen Ramsey saying that, um, he
thinks Ben Roethlisberger is decent at best, or he thinks
that Jimmy Garoppolo is all schemes. I I guess I
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could say he's good. That's how dudes talk. That's the
real language of sports. It's not about you know, his
throwing motion, his arm angles, you know his reading, his progressions.
That's how analysts talk. And that's how we want wants
to be analyzed on TV and maybe analyzed in a
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boardroom for a team as to whether or not you're
gonna take a guy or not take a guy. But
in the real world of football, this is the way
that dudes talk, right Like in basketball, it's really simple.
Guy steps on the court, shoot our no left hand
can't shoot and and the problem is that And we've
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talked about this with yesterday with Aaron Rodgers saying a
couple of days ago his wide receiver young wide receiver's
effort in one drill or series of drills was pissed poor.
The rest of the world is so not used to
this actual discussion, right. It's like when you walk into
a bunch of mechanics sitting around drinking beers on a
Friday at five fifteen and you're like, Wow, I cannot
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believe how they sound. Like, yeah, but that's because you're
not a mechanic. This that's how they sound, dude. This
is how trucker sound when they're sitting around in the
truck stop. This is how football players defensive back sound
when they're talking about quarterbacks. Joe Flacco sucks, Matt Ryan's overrated,
Andrew luck who, by the way, statistically passerrating one seven
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point five against Jalen Ramsey. Uh, I don't really think
he's all that good, you know how to think that.
The stats would tell you the opposite. But again, that's
not even the point. The point is, at least on
the first part, is that Jayla Ramsey is talking like
dudes actually talk in locker rooms. And if you don't
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like it, that's okay, because the other part is guys
arguing locker rooms about That's that's how our sports shows
are built. We'll get to what Daryl Morey said about
Lebron James. But that's the uh, that's the jumping off
point for every argument in every barbershop or even in
locker rooms. And I'm still a Jordan guy. I'm a
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Lebron guy. Some people are still in the league, are
still call you guys. They really are stats be damned.
They think what they think and there's no convincing them
of that. And Jayleen Ramsey's point is like, look, I've
I've stared down the barrel of the gun of some
of these dudes, and this is what I think. I
don't think he did anything wrong. Matter of fact, I
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think he did everything right for the brand that he's
trying to build. Make no mistake about it. This is
position dependent. But at this position, there have been guys
before him, like Richard Sherman, who have built on one
their ability to not just talk it, but obviously walk
walk it as well, but then capitalizing get out from
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behind the face mask. I don't know how many of you,
even sports fans, knew what Jalen Ramsey looks like. He
doesn't have Richard Sherman's hair. The Jaguars have been the
laughing stock of the NFL for years since Mark Brunel's
faded off into the sunset, like they have been a
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team that has continually shot themselves in the foot with
draft picks that have gone wrong, with quarterbacks that weren't
good enough. And now after just one year of being
good one year, suddenly they're the talk of the NFL.
Why because Jalen Ramsey is super, super talented. And here's
the crazy part about it. The guy on the opposite side,
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a J. Bowyer, who you couldn't pick out of a
lineup if there was like one other dude in the lineup,
like a J. Bowyer actually has a better sounding name,
like a J. Boo Yer, Like that's just a great
sounding his He was created to be something cool and
something hip and something worth discussing a J. Booyer is.
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I mean, like Casey Hayward, Patrick Peterson. These are the
best quarterbacks in the business, and Janlen Ramsey is among them.
But once you talk it, after walking it, suddenly now
you kind of elevate yourself to a different sort of end.
We saw it with Dion Sanders. He's capitalized on a
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time and again from the bling he wore when he
was in college, when he was Prime Time and look,
Deon Sanders was also great. He's inarguably the best cover
corner in the history of the Nation Football League. That's
not for me, that's from guys that play the sport.
But he also is among the world's greatest talkers. And
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even through all the mess of off the field stuff
and things that have gone on in his life that
are just blamed bizarre, Deon Sanders is still a major
figure on TV. Why because the image and brand that
he created by saying things that he thought and getting
his message out there before the days of social media.
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We see this in entertainment and there was Shared, there
was Madonna, there's Lady Gaga. Right, it's like the same
plan Pink even like Pink and saying Lady Gaga is
an amazing musician. But you know, not everybody can be
a Wretha Franklin, who passed away today at the age
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of seventy six. Where you just have the goods, you
have the voice, you don't need all the dancers, you
don't need the huge show them. Who am I thinking
of the British singer um who Adele? Right? Not everybody
can be Adele or like if you gone to it
Adele show, My wife and daughter is going to a
Dell show where it's just Adele and a microphone and
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a stool and a glass of water. Like, not everybody
can do that, Not everybody has the type of goods.
And oh yeah, by the way, as incredibly well respected
as Adele is, like, I don't know how long that
lasts as a stadium show in comparison to Madonna two
Lady Gaga, who somehow dramatically jumped off the roof of
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the Super Bowl and then still survived some bad c
g I uh yes. So the point is that Jalen
Ramsey's just created himself a brand. He's achieved greatness in
now the sudden America knows who he is. Sure he's
gotta he's gotta walk it like he talks it. And
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Richard Sherman did, and Richard Sherman benefited to the point
where he's got other TV commercials. It's getting out from
behind the mask, getting out from behind the shield. It's
an incredibly difficult thing to do, but it's been done before.
It's been done in this very same fashion from this
very same position. Now, is he right with all of them?
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I don't know. I mean, how does he really know? Uh?
At is, how does he really really know about some
of these rookie quarterbacks that he saw once on TV? Right,
Josh Allen didn't have glowing didn't have glowing, Right, he sucks?
Like all right, you saw Josh Allen in college Wyoming
and you're quoted twice saying he played against Iowa State.
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It was actually against Iowa, but I believe it's on
the Big ten network. Thank you very much for watching
watching one of the Fox family and networks. When you
watch that game. Um so, sometimes he's talking out of
his rectum, but that's what dudes do, and I am
not bothered by it. This is so much better than
the coach speak or the quarterback speak and the idea
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that you have respect and admiration for every opponent. No,
you don't. Oftentimes you can't. Man, I dude, I can't
wait till we play this Dude's why because everybody's going
to get their stats. I can't wait till I play
this guy because he's gonna throw a lollipop and I'm
gonna pick it off. Also, who listens to those interviews?
I just tone out when they start talking about stuff
like that. Have you a million athletes? And as soon
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as they start giving me a very like black and
white answer, I'm like, you're wasting my time. Man, Yes, yes,
like there's there's uh you know, um and I don't
know if we do it here, but one of the
other places that I've one of the other places that
I've worked, Um, you know you should send out your
show notes at the end of the show. And like, man,
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we got Derek Jeter on right, Like Derek Jeter unbelievable.
Or now you get like Alec strod Reguez on like
doesn't don't say anything anything anything because their brand is
their name, their performances. They just I'm not gonna say
anything because he doesn't hit my brand. Cornerbacks are different.
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Wide receivers are different. They can talk it, they can
whether back it up or they get burned. It doesn't
even matter. It does work if you're good enough, it
does work. Nobody's talking about Casey Hayward, who's just as talented,
just as elite, uh, a guy who you're not gonna
throw to his side of the football field for the Chargers,
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or Patrick Peterson who's been a seven Pro Bowls, three
time All Pro and is by the way, a really
interesting dude, but I haven't heard his thoughts on Russell Wilson,
Jared Golf, or even his own quarterbacks. And yeah, by
the way, I do love that that he didn't call
out Blake Mortals, but he didn't actually throw loving, gushing
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support do what he gotta do, which uh I do
take for exactly as it's written, as it reads as
not exactly glowing praise and tells you everything you need
to know. You do what he gotta do well? Put
well put? So do I think people react to it
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negatively in locker room? Like no, I don't know. I
think he could have a target on his practice this
season if I was one of the guys that eat
trash and be like, I got your number, now, sure
throw to him. That's what he wants, That's what What
do you think they weren't they like the idea, This
is the this is the team, the guy guaranteeing a victory.
What you don't think You think any athlete ever thought
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he walked into an NFL game or an NBA game
not thinking they're gonna win a game. Of course they do.
Of course they do. You have a targets back he's
not a rookie. He's really really good. He's really really good.
Now again, Yes, our guy is gonna laugh at him
if he gets burned, if he gets sure, they can
talk trash to him. If that's one of the quarterbacks
that he says isn't very good, Matt Ryan doesn't. He
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thinks he's overrated. Sure, but there is the chance that
everybody knows he's really good. You throw it in his direction,
he's going to take it to the house and they'll
be that confirmation of everything he said. Be sure to
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Easter not a Empacific. He's a force multiplier. Actually, he
brought the term force multiplier to UH to modern day
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cable television. He's Eric Mangini. He joins us here in
the Herd. Um Jalen Ramsey sat down with a g
Q writer, got super comfortable and just went through quarterbacks
and game a line on each one of them. As
a as a long time former coach in this league
and a former head coach in this league. What's your reaction? Yeah,
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I was unimpressed by it. I don't know why you
need to do that. I can't imagine that Tom Coughlin
was very happy with it, or Doug Morons very happy
with it. I don't see the value. It seemed like
one of those things where maybe he started talking the
interview and then just got on some sort of role.
But I've coached a lot of really good cornerbacks, really
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talented guys, and they never felt the need to attack
somebody else. They may talk about how good they are,
but it was never about you know, they're they're being
a GM or talent evaluator and talking about everybody else. No,
but this is this is the talk of the locker room,
isn't isn't it? Though, Like, didn't he give us a
glimpse into it? Again, it's not. There's no analytics, there's
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no true analysis there. It's just first thing you think of.
This does give us a glimpse into how dudes actually
talk if they didn't have a filter, doesn't it. Well.
I don't know if guys are sitting around talking like
that and and talking about the range of players in
the league, maybe they're talking about their Madden ratings and
disagreeing with things like that. But it seemed a little
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bit more malicious than than just casual locker room talk,
talk about how you feel about one guy or another guy.
How do you manage it when it feels like some guy,
somebody's trying to make themselves into a personality, right, Like, Look,
Deon Sanders did this and obviously he was successful in
football field, but he also used it for his second
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life afterwards. Darrell Rivas has used this, and you know
he's become he has he has ads on TV. He
look he can drow. Um, I'm not Drell Rivas. Sorry,
um uh shoot. Richard Sherman, Richard Sherman has done this,
He's got ads on TV. Like, some of this does
feel like, Hey, I'm gonna make myself into a personality
for for financial gain outside of the world of football.
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How do you manage that when you're a coach, your
member front office. Yeah, I get that guys want to
improve their brand and the rise of social media and
all those things, and I'm I'm fine with that, but
there's I don't know how many advertisers are that excited
about someone who feels the need to tear other people down.
Dion to me was a guy who talked about him
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self and his ability and and there people can really
relate or admire someone with extreme self confidence. That that,
to me is a great trade, and it's great trade
for a quarterback. I don't think attacking other people is
necessarily that that same trade. Sometimes that's a characteristic of insecurity.
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In terms of managing it, you you know what you're
getting typically when you draft most guys, and if they
have the tendency to do that, you can't be surprised
when they do that. Now. I've imagine that they'll sit
down and talk with them about it and and talk
about the team's perspective on it and why they don't
like it. Now. Whether or not that's enough for it
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happens again, I don't know. I would imagine it will
happen again. Let's let's go to Cleveland Browns, which again
another team that's they won won one game last two years.
I do think they have enough talent to be better.
In a matter of fact, they bring into Ron Taylor,
who helped lead the Bills to the playoffs year. He's
their starting quarterback. Um there's been discussions now all of
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a sudden from Hugh Jackson about maybe Drew Stanton as
the backup quarterback. How much of this comes down to
how good Baker Mayfield is, but how much or how
much of it comes down to what you actually need
in a backup quarterback. Well, right now, I wouldn't put
any merit into anything in terms of a depth chart
at this point in preseason. It's more of a rep chart.
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You're trying to make sure that you get guys enough
work in different spots. It'd be unbelievable to me if
Baker Mayfield wasn't the number two. And ideally, what you're
looking for from your backup quarterback is a guy that
can go in and run the same system that the
starter runs and and not have to change what the
other ten guys are doing. And ideally it's a guy
who who is young, who is emerging, who is learning, um,
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which you know Baker is going to be in there
sooner rather than later. I don't know how long Tyrodoi
will last there. Yeah, how hard is that is that?
To not a guy who's a number one overall pick
like John Dorsey can tell us, hey, you know, I
didn't play Pat Mahomes. We didn't play Pat Mohomes last
year in Kansas City. That's the tenth pick. This the
number one pick in the in the draft and you're Cleveland.
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It's won one game the last two years. The fans
need hope, Like, how hard is it to sit a
guy even if you have all the good intentions at
heart and you have a capable starter into Tyrod Taylor
as the starter. Well, it's the it's the same situation
that they're facing in New York with Sam Donald. The
owner came out and said that that this guy is
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a franchise changing quarterback and you don't need to be
a GM or a head coach to recognize great talent.
Sam's gonna start, and he's gonna start sooner rather than later.
And it's the same thing with Baker. You you took
him over number one. Overall ownership is gonna want to
see him play. The city of Cleveland is gonna want
to see him play. And the season tickets are down,
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the amount of people that that go to the games
are down, and and an exciting young player like that
that gets people back into the stadium. That's important to
the organization, it's important to the owners. Um, Hugh's an
interesting guy, right, Guys generally like him, and he's seen
as he thinks himself as a quarterback whisperer because he's
the one that that got Andy Dalton to be, you know,
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a higher level than expected quarterback in in Cincinnati. But
you've got two really vivid personalities with Todd Haley and
Greg Williams as as the coordinators, and then you have
huge trying to be player friendly at the top. What's
your thought of the personalities and how it's structured at
the top of the Cleveland Browns coaching staff. I've never
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been accused of being player friendly, so that's a little
bit less relatable to me. But I do think that
the most important things that you're you're true to whatever
your personality is. So the most important thing is to
get the guys ready to play. They're prepared, They they
understand why you're doing the things that you're doing, and
however you do it, it's in a sincere way. So
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if that's whose way, I'm all forward now. Typically with
with coaches, if if he was a player's coach and
it doesn't work out, the next guy they're gonna go
get is gonna be a disciplinarian. And when you have
a disciplinary and that doesn't work out, you go and
get a player's coach. And sometimes those at Oftentimes those
labels are misleading. You just need to be the coach
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that that's sincere and honest and and true to have
true to himself. We're going to see the Patriots tonight
um taking on the Philadelphia Eagles rematch sort of the
super Bowl, even though it's preseason. UM. Last year they
didn't have really enough playmakers defensively, and they found a
way to make it work and get to a super Bowl,
nearly win a super Bowl offensively this year, not gonna
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have Edelman first four games, They've already cut two wide
receivers expected to contribute. What are your thought on just
that The talent that the Patriots have in in relation
to the talent of other teams in the top the
f C, Well they have the most important talent. They
have Tom Brady. So that's that's the starting point. They
retained Josh McDaniels, they retained Dante Skarneckie, the offensive line coach.
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They still have have Bill And there's been a history
there of players that that become household names when when
they go to New England or when they get a
chance to play in New England. I remember early on
we had David Patton and David Gibbons, and nobody knew
who those guys were and they ended up helping us
win Super Bowl. So Tom has a way of making
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those guys into names that we all appreciate and and
um and recognize that. It's it's about the scheme. It's
about doing the right thing, being in the right place,
and if you do, Tom's the most selfless quarterback in
the league. He'll get you the ball if you're not
in the right spot, regardless of how much talent you have.
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We saw that with Chad Johnson. You're not gonna get
the ball and it's not gonna work. You couldn't line
up in the right spot. So they couldn't keep him
no matter how how talented he was that given time.
Last thing, Grunt did an interview he said never spent
a penny of his NFL money tell and endorsements. How
much of the Grounk meathead thing is an act? I
don't think. I think that's a guy who's true to
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his personality. I think that that Gronk is who Gronk is. Now,
will it get exaggerated at times? I'm sure it gets
somewhat exaggerated, And and there's a different way that you
can play to your brand or market or be a personality.
Gronk does it in a way that's that's not negative,
and a lot of people really enjoy it. And I
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think he may play it up more than than you
know what it truly is. But I do think there's
some sincerity into what we see from him. Yeah, I
would say the same thing with Bill though, right like
like Bill, Bill, Bill has a personality there. He may
not let it out. He stays on brand, especially at
the days of the press conferences, but he plays it
up there a little bit as well. Eric, thanks so
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much for joining us. Go ahead, good time. I was
just gonna stay with it with Bill. He's he's His
philosophy has always been with the media. If I win,
they can't touch me, and if I lose, they can't
save me. So he's not really interested in promoting any brand.
He's interested in saying as the least the least amount
that he can possibly say and and protect the advantage
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that he has in terms of of what the Patriots
are gonna do. But at personality health field, yeah, he
definitely has that. But you know what you're getting up
there is he's just he's not helping anybody in the
media ever. Alright, last thing, quickly got thirty seconds. The
rookie quarterback, you've been most impressed by his who I
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can't even go there yet. With two weeks into the
we're going to the second game of the preseason. There's
no coverages, there's no game planning, there's very little offensively.
I'd say next week is the week that you really
start to get a glimpse of of who these guys are.
And uh yeah, I don't have a front runner yet.
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He punchs, He punts on his first opportunity to go Florida. Yeah. Yeah,
it's fourth and twelve. What's up, everybody? John Middlecopp The
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I talk a ton of football this week. Talk about
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John middlecop former NFL scout. My podcast is called three
and Out on Colin Cowards Podcast Network. I don't. I
think there are certain jobs in this world to which
people believe they know what that job entails, and they
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actually have no idea, no idea. I remember I was,
I was that one of the other places I worked
at and it was NBA Draft day, and uh, there
was a kid, uh, Kendall Marshall. I think it's just
that Kendall Marshall played in North Carolina, very good point
guard North Carolina. And I still and this is not
a contradiction I contend to this day. Is in two
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thousand and twelve, right when that when Kentucky won the
national title two thousand twelve, Kentucky was a national title.
Had Kendall Marshall not gotten hurt broke his wrist against
Creighton in the second round the n c A Tournament.
Had he not gotten hurt. I believe that the Carolina
was the better team. They played Kentucky at Kentucky lost
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in the last second shot or had a last second
shot to win the game. And though both teams have improved,
I thought North Carolina was going to be the better
team and Kentucky never played them anyway. Um, it was
draft day and I said, hey, look, I wouldn't draft
Kendall Marshall at all, and he was viewed as a
lottery pick or first round talent. And my logic behind
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it was I didn't think he was good enough to
be a starter because he wasn't a great athlete. He
couldn't guard anybody. It wasn't a good great shooter. But
more than anything, if it didn't work out as a starter,
I didn't think he was good enough to be a starter.
He couldn't be a backup point guard. And what happens
in people's minds is they think they're like, well, you're
not good to be started. Why couldn't you be a backup?
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If you're just this much nut, you're just this close
to being you know, end of the league starter. Well
that's because the job of a backup point guard is
completely different than the job of a starter. Now look,
I end up being right. It was helped out by
the fact that kenn Of Marshall towards a c L
and never really recovered from it. But he wasn't a
good NBA player. He just wasn't. And the reason was
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I couldn't find a place for him because he can't
be a backup. This is r G three had the
exact same problem like r G three, and I think
he has the same problem in Baltimore. Like r G three,
does look like a guy who can still play football
in the NFL could still potentially be maybe a spot starter.
But the problem is that the job of a there's
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only there's two types of backups in the NFL. Two
one is the future starter, right, And that's what a
Baker Mayfield would be, if a Sam Donnold would was one,
or a Josh Allen to which you learned from the
starter and you just get ready for your day. But
but that window is only really a first year or
two years in the league, really, I mean, that's that's it.
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You know, maybe it grows, but you only get that
when you have a solidified starter. But the true backup quarterback,
these these these Scott toll Zines of the world that
aren't really good enough to be started, Like why do
they survive? Because the job is different. I listened to
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what Hugh Jackson said about Drew Stanton and the potential
for Drew Stanton to technically be the number two quarterback
in Cleveland, and that's what it reminded me of to
take take a listen. I've said from the beginning. You
know again, I think experience is important. Um so right now,
Drew still has that experience and we'll see how that
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all unfolds as we go. I know what you're asking.
I haven't made that that choice just yet, but at
think his veteran presence says a lot. You know, he's
playing a lot of games. I guess a lot of
teams we're gonna start off against and play against. So
I think that's important to definitely consider. So people will
freak out and say, wait a second, Drew Stanton is
better than our number one overall pick. That's That's not
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what he said. Did he ever say there's anything about talent? Know?
What he's saying is like, look, we're playing a bunch
of teams to start of the year, and Drew Stanton's
got the book on those teams. He knows how to prepare.
He knows how to get whether it's to Rod Taylor
or whether it's Baker Mayfield, knows how to get them ready.
I I hearkened back, and I don't often hearken back,
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but Rachel on this on this Thursday, I am harkening back.
I don't even know what that means. Um. Well, the
hearken back is to look back, to think back to remember,
remember my millennial ears. Don't understand right, You've been on
your phone the whole time, treating exacting Facebook Live. Actually,
I G I and your friends. Sorry, sorry, it's millennial
your I G and I G live. You get your
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own I G broadcast. I hearkened back to something that
Derek Carr said. I think it was last year. This
is Derek Carr telling the story about when he was
named the Starter his first year in Oakland. He told
me that day that I was gonna be the starter,
asked me if I was ready. I said, yeah, I'm ready,
you know. And the next day I walked in to
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watch film and Shop is sitting there. He shakes my hand,
he said, congratulations. He said, obviously you know I'm mad. Uh,
you know I think that I should be playing in
those things. And I don't think he worded it that way.
I'm just saying, um, but he said, whatever you need,
I got your back, whatever you need. I want you
to know how to anybody in this building, I have
your back. And from that point forward he proved it
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every single day. He was never rooting against me. He
had never wished ill will. All he did was helped
me and teach me how to play quarterback as a professional. Right,
this is Matt Shop, the pick six match shop. Right.
Max Schob who was he was the backup in Atlanta,
became the starter in Houston, and then all of a
sudden he got in this stretch there. Greg too, of course,
remembers it well. He hearkens back to the days when
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Matt job was throwing touchdown passes again and again for
the wrong team. Right to what was it was like
six games in six it was perfect, six games with
a pick six. It's really remarkable where it's like one
of those It's like one of those, uh you got
Joe DiMaggio's head streak pales in comparison. To say it,
it takes a level, it takes a level of of
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sucker to that we have not seen before or since
to throw a pick six and keep your job in
six straight games. Anyway, Matt shobs a prose pro. He
became a true backup. He understood, like look, a backup
point guard, backup point guard doesn't play like a starter.
Backup point guard has to change the pace of the game.
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You actually have to be many times the opposite of
your starting point guard. You have to press full court.
They want you to change, They want you to change
the dynamic offensively, change it namic defensively. You gotta be
a little bit tougher, a little bit crazy because you're
missing something talent wise that keeps you from being a starter.
So your backup point guard, you either come in and
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you're Jamal Crawford and you just try and get buckets,
I don't care about anything, or you're the Matthew Delavadova's
of the world, right who all you? You just you
make life a living hell for the other team's backup
point guard. It's the same thing in in the NFL.
Like the NFL, the backup quarterbacks only job is to
get the starter ready. Again, unless you're that future guy
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that you're just, you're not really a backup. You're just
the starter. They haven't named the starter yet. So when
you see when you hear hey Drew Starton, Stanton might
be the backup to start the year, it's not because
they don't think that Baker Mayfield is good. It's that
Baker Mayfield can bring nothing to the table to help
to Rod Taylor get ready for week one. He just can't.
There's nothing he can say. He can't say like, oh,
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that time we were playing Iowa State, I did this,
Like that doesn't help me at all. It doesn't help.
And then look, there are just jobs in sports. Hell,
they're jobs in life that I don't think people truly
appreciate what they are, you know, and that they don't
they don't necessarily mean that you can well, you know.
And and television, I'm told the A D position, the
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assistant director position, is really really important. The director talks
to the camera people, picks the shots, and it's how
you look on TV. But the a D kind of
sets the table so that the director looks good. Doesn't
mean that the a D will eventually be a director.
I'm sure most every very D things that will eventually
be a director or producer or whatever. But it all
it means their job is incredibly important. But it's not
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the same job as the director. It's just not The
backup quarterback is not the same job as the starter.
And so I don't freak out when I hear that
from Hugh Jackson. I think Hugh Jackson's lived understands this
league and and Todd as much as Todd Haley has
been an offensive coordiner, has been head coach, you know what,
he has n't in this league. He hadn't been a
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quarterback in this league, whereas Drew Stanton has us him
for all the information to prepare him. And then like
eventually when Baker Mayfield becomes the starter, which is merely
a formality what happens in week one or week fifteen
or doesn't happen until next year, then you hope that
Tyrod Taylor can either be that guy or you have
Drew Stanton to be the consummate backup, only trying to
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help the guy, only trying to help the starter, which
again is my fear for r G three, And it's
the reason that Conn Kaepernick is not a backup in
this league. This is I implore you if you cover
the NFL and you're one of these guys that is
so woke that you watch these backup quarterbacks like he sucks,
he sucks, he sucks. Why isn't Kaepernick is better? Kaepernick is?
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But nobody's arguing Kaepernick is better? Is there the protest part?
And that's gotten in black balled. Sure, that's part of it,
but part of it is his personality. The reason he
lost his job in San Francisco to begin with was
he wasn't about everybody else had his headphones on, was
about himself. And then when you when he goes and
(35:07):
meets with Seattle last year, they even said he's just
he's a starting quarterback. The translation to that is, he's
not about getting Russell Wilson ready. He's not about He's
not about what can I do to make Russell Wilson
look good or to make any other start to look good.
You factor in that with the protest, with the idea
that uh, you know, Twitter might explode not if you
(35:28):
sign him, but then if you cut him. M You
factor all those things in and you're like, oh, well,
that's why he's not a backup. It's not because he's
not any good. And now he hadn't played football aviously
in a year and a half. You start running out
the clock on him a little bit, all right, coming
him next Dak Prescott had lost his mind, lost his mind?
(35:49):
Huh casual casual lost his mind? That is that a
millennial word, is that I'm not not catching up? But
how casual fits with Dak Prescott losing his Mind's just
the way that he's at it. It was a casualties Listen,
I'll teach you everything. Stick with me. Also hate the
fact that he said woke. Can we cross that off
the list? Why come on now, it's already woke. Is
(36:11):
jumped the jump the jump, jump the shark for you? Really?
I think so? But when I say when I say
media people, I didn't say you did. But I'm describing
people as woke people. You know, there are people who
all they do is troll social media all day for
something that will somehow offend them and automatically respond without
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any context, without any knowledge of the situation. Right, those
are the people that are woke. One more heard. The
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know if you guys saw this, but Grunk did a
sit down interview with um is what is it called
the undisputed? That was? That was? That was called uninterrupted?
(36:58):
Sorry we have undisputed. I didn't know if they copied
the name whatever. Uninterrupted. Uninterrupted is a really weird name anyway,
does it feels like a double negative even though it's
not a double negative. Is it a double I don't know.
And he was to take a listen. He was talking
about the rumor or the story out there that he
(37:19):
has never spent a dime of the money he actually
made in the National Football League. It's interesting you talked
about once that you only spend money from endorsements, you
hadn't touched in your NFL contract money. That's still true.
It's still true. Yeah, if you see my NFL money,
well how much I made. I got way more than that. Baby. Yeah,
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he's made forty five million in his NFL career. Um
Gronk said, Uh, they hounded us on school, talking about
his parents hounded us on school, and that he's that
this is kind of it's a little bit off brand
to even admit that, but that I actually cement to me.
Do I think he is has meat head in him? Sure? Right.
(38:03):
Like I've met his family, I've seen them on TV.
Um apple trees make apples like it we all realize,
like that is a that is a house household, to
which bro Is said, a lot in it. It just
is that said, some of this is playing up to
his brand, right, My brand is kind of meat head.
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You can't play for the Patriots if you don't have
a high football I you you just can't, especially playing
on the offensive side of the football. Eric Mangini joined
us last hour and he said, you know, it doesn't
matter about your talent. Chad Johnson was a perfect example.
Chad Johnson couldn't remember where to line up. It sounds
so easy, it is in fact complicating. You do have
to study, but you also have to have a football
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like you and so I think when you hear that,
you're like, man, that's really really smart. I don't think
he's a complete idiot. I think some of it is
that's his brand. His brand is I'm gonna be the
big meat head dude. I kind of come from that
kind of family. But secretly, secretly, financially, his house is
completely in order. Now. If anybody thinks that he doesn't
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need the football money, that he's gonna not play for long,
like Gronk's gonna shut it down there. Drew Rosenhouse was
hired as his agent two years ago. You don't hire
Drew Rosenhouse as your agent unless you're looking to get
every last dollar out of your football career. That's that's
that's just a known fact. It's a lot like like
when you hire Scott Boris as your agent in baseball,
(39:33):
you're like, I'm gonna fire my agent, hire Scott Bars.
You're not. You're not looking for a hometown discount. You know.
Nobody goes like, well I got Scott Boars, but I'll
take a hometown discount. Now, Scott Borris is gonna write
a book about how great you are, and then they're
gonna take every possible major League baseball team, hold them
upside down and shake them for as much money as
they're worth. And whoever has the most money that falls
out of their pockets, that's where you're going. That's what
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happened with Bryce Harper this offseason. So I don't think
this means that Gronk has protected himself. I think it
means that Gronk completely understands that there's there is strength
in this brand. Like look, Jessica Simpson didn't come across
as the sharpest knife in the drawer right when they
had that when when when she had a reality show,
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Remember what, buffaloes don't have wings? Remember the buffalo wing common?
But Jessica Simpson's actually financially pretty smart lady. Even the Kardashians,
A lot of that thing is played up like there's
a little financial genius, a little idiot savant there to
to what they do. Like playing dumb actually sells. Playing
smart doesn't sell. People feel intimidated by bright people. They
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just do like you want. It's like a whole idea
of dumbing it down. Do I mean, look, the guy
who the guy who is occupying six D Pennsylvania Avenue,
he figured this thing out. Change your language, use more
average terms. I don't know if there was this actually
how he speaks or how he's been told to speak,
(41:03):
maybe a little bit of both. But it does play.
It does work, whereas when you try, like look, President
Obama was brilliant, but brilliant can be boring. I just can.
And I think Gronk gets it. He gets his brand.
His brand is meat head, catch football, spike football, met
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Gronk love to party. I don't think that's necessarily who
he truly is, but I think he understands the profitability
of it. So are you saying that he is some
kind of genius underneath this? I don't think he's. I look,
I think he's a lot smarter than he lets on.
Can I say that when you're making that much money,
he says, he's only spending his sponsorship money. That's probably
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easy to do. Yes, of course, when you're drunk and
you play, and you play the happy go lucky guy
like you're not ever picking up the tab right, like
you can just you don't have to buy beers for
any But even if he is, he's probably totally sat
with just his sponsorship money. Yes, it also shows how
dumb other guys are, how wasteful other guys are.
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Rachel Bonetta joins me as well, back from her Russian
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to have you alongside. Thank you for having me by
the way. I love that you say, what up? It's
very millennial of you, is it just kind of no? No,
I don't know. Listen, you have a thing, you do
your thing that's my kind of my thing. He does ah,
(01:07):
which I don't even know. It's not even a word,
but it's odd, but it is. It is collins Um
speaking of having a thing and doing your thing. Isn't
that what Jalen Ramsey is doing. We'll get to Jalen
Ramsey in just a moment. Eric Mangini's gonna join us,
the man genius half past the hour, Bruce Feldman will
join us as we'll talk a little college football, the
stuff going on at Maryland and what might go down
(01:29):
today or very soon at the Ohio State University. We
got some gronk, we got some great Eli manning for
the first time ever with that kind of drop the
mic quip if you will. We'll get to that. Darryl
Moorey saying that Lebron is the Goat by a pretty
substantial margin. I'll give you my thoughts on that, and
we'll get you ready for a good slate of preseason
(01:51):
NFL games, which, um, look, if you watch preseason NFL games,
that's cool, but do not overreact like you have to
watch them going. Don't ever preseason football. Don't overreact preseason foball,
don't overrect preseason football also really difficult to to tell
you don't bet on preseason football. I'm not sure where
the pantheon of things you most want to bet on,
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but somewhere in the neighborhood of w NBA scores are
the w n B A is where preseason football ranks
and things I would not bet on. All Right, we
gotta we gotta a metric ton to get to. I
want to start with this though. Jalen Ramsey just supplied
us with and unbelievable amount of sports radio and sports
(02:33):
television fodder, didn't he He like, did our jobs for us. Listen,
don't get me wrong. We are all excited about football
season because we become a football country, and we're mere
weeks away from college football kicking off, and then a
couple of weeks further way from the NFL kicking off.
One of the issues that sometimes you run into during
college football season during the NFL season is sometimes Wednesday,
(02:57):
you don't have the games to talk about, and there's
not anything else to talk about, and in the off
season you're just hoping, hoping, like this is just years
of research, tons of stuff. Thank you very much, Jalen Ramsey.
He had an interview with g Q apparently got very
comfy and started doing what we wish guys would do.
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Jalen Ramsey said what he thinks. Huh shocker. There here's
the cold, honest truth, Jalen Ramsey saying that, um, he
thinks Ben Roethlisberger is decent at best, or he thinks
that Jimmy Garoppolo is all schemes. I I guess I
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could say he's good. That's how dudes talk. That's the
real language of sports. It's not about you know, his
throwing motion, his arm angles, you know his reading, his progressions.
That's how analysts talk. And that's how we want wants
to be analyzed on TV and maybe analyzed in a
(04:03):
boardroom for a team as to whether or not you're
gonna take a guy or not take a guy. But
in the real world of football, this is the way
that dudes talk, right Like in basketball, it's really simple.
Guy steps on the court, shoot our no left hand
can't shoot and and the problem is that And we've
(04:27):
talked about this with yesterday with Aaron Rodgers saying a
couple of days ago his wide receiver young wide receiver's
effort in one drill or series of drills was pissed poor.
The rest of the world is so not used to
this actual discussion, right. It's like when you walk into
a bunch of mechanics sitting around drinking beers on a
Friday at five fifteen and you're like, Wow, I cannot
(04:50):
believe how they sound. Like, yeah, but that's because you're
not a mechanic. This that's how they sound, dude. This
is how trucker sound when they're sitting around in the
truck stop. This is how football players defensive back sound
when they're talking about quarterbacks. Joe Flacco sucks, Matt Ryan's overrated,
Andrew luck who, by the way, statistically passerrating one seven
(05:11):
point five against Jalen Ramsey. Uh, I don't really think
he's all that good, you know how to think that.
The stats would tell you the opposite. But again, that's
not even the point. The point is, at least on
the first part, is that Jayla Ramsey is talking like
dudes actually talk in locker rooms. And if you don't
(05:32):
like it, that's okay, because the other part is guys
arguing locker rooms about That's that's how our sports shows
are built. We'll get to what Daryl Morey said about
Lebron James. But that's the uh, that's the jumping off
point for every argument in every barbershop or even in
locker rooms. And I'm still a Jordan guy. I'm a
(05:54):
Lebron guy. Some people are still in the league, are
still call you guys. They really are stats be damned.
They think what they think and there's no convincing them
of that. And Jayleen Ramsey's point is like, look, I've
I've stared down the barrel of the gun of some
of these dudes, and this is what I think. I
don't think he did anything wrong. Matter of fact, I
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think he did everything right for the brand that he's
trying to build. Make no mistake about it. This is
position dependent. But at this position, there have been guys
before him, like Richard Sherman, who have built on one
their ability to not just talk it, but obviously walk
walk it as well, but then capitalizing get out from
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behind the face mask. I don't know how many of you,
even sports fans, knew what Jalen Ramsey looks like. He
doesn't have Richard Sherman's hair. The Jaguars have been the
laughing stock of the NFL for years since Mark Brunel's
faded off into the sunset, like they have been a
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team that has continually shot themselves in the foot with
draft picks that have gone wrong, with quarterbacks that weren't
good enough. And now after just one year of being
good one year, suddenly they're the talk of the NFL.
Why because Jalen Ramsey is super, super talented. And here's
the crazy part about it. The guy on the opposite side,
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a J. Bowyer, who you couldn't pick out of a
lineup if there was like one other dude in the lineup,
like a J. Bowyer actually has a better sounding name,
like a J. Boo Yer, Like that's just a great
sounding his He was created to be something cool and
something hip and something worth discussing a J. Booyer is.
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I mean, like Casey Hayward, Patrick Peterson. These are the
best quarterbacks in the business, and Janlen Ramsey is among them.
But once you talk it, after walking it, suddenly now
you kind of elevate yourself to a different sort of end.
We saw it with Dion Sanders. He's capitalized on a
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time and again from the bling he wore when he
was in college, when he was Prime Time and look,
Deon Sanders was also great. He's inarguably the best cover
corner in the history of the Nation Football League. That's
not for me, that's from guys that play the sport.
But he also is among the world's greatest talkers. And
(08:26):
even through all the mess of off the field stuff
and things that have gone on in his life that
are just blamed bizarre, Deon Sanders is still a major
figure on TV. Why because the image and brand that
he created by saying things that he thought and getting
his message out there before the days of social media.
(08:47):
We see this in entertainment and there was Shared, there
was Madonna, there's Lady Gaga. Right, it's like the same
plan Pink even like Pink and saying Lady Gaga is
an amazing musician. But you know, not everybody can be
a Wretha Franklin, who passed away today at the age
(09:07):
of seventy six. Where you just have the goods, you
have the voice, you don't need all the dancers, you
don't need the huge show them. Who am I thinking
of the British singer um who Adele? Right? Not everybody
can be Adele or like if you gone to it
Adele show, My wife and daughter is going to a
Dell show where it's just Adele and a microphone and
(09:29):
a stool and a glass of water. Like, not everybody
can do that, Not everybody has the type of goods.
And oh yeah, by the way, as incredibly well respected
as Adele is, like, I don't know how long that
lasts as a stadium show in comparison to Madonna two
Lady Gaga, who somehow dramatically jumped off the roof of
(09:50):
the Super Bowl and then still survived some bad c
g I uh yes. So the point is that Jalen
Ramsey's just created himself a brand. He's achieved greatness in
now the sudden America knows who he is. Sure he's
gotta he's gotta walk it like he talks it. And
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Richard Sherman did, and Richard Sherman benefited to the point
where he's got other TV commercials. It's getting out from
behind the mask, getting out from behind the shield. It's
an incredibly difficult thing to do, but it's been done before.
It's been done in this very same fashion from this
very same position. Now, is he right with all of them?
(10:31):
I don't know. I mean, how does he really know? Uh?
At is, how does he really really know about some
of these rookie quarterbacks that he saw once on TV? Right,
Josh Allen didn't have glowing didn't have glowing, Right, he sucks?
Like all right, you saw Josh Allen in college Wyoming
and you're quoted twice saying he played against Iowa State.
(10:52):
It was actually against Iowa, but I believe it's on
the Big ten network. Thank you very much for watching
watching one of the Fox family and networks. When you
watch that game. Um so, sometimes he's talking out of
his rectum, but that's what dudes do, and I am
not bothered by it. This is so much better than
the coach speak or the quarterback speak and the idea
(11:13):
that you have respect and admiration for every opponent. No,
you don't. Oftentimes you can't. Man, I dude, I can't
wait till we play this Dude's why because everybody's going
to get their stats. I can't wait till I play
this guy because he's gonna throw a lollipop and I'm
gonna pick it off. Also, who listens to those interviews?
I just tone out when they start talking about stuff
like that. Have you a million athletes? And as soon
(11:34):
as they start giving me a very like black and
white answer, I'm like, you're wasting my time. Man, Yes, yes,
like there's there's uh you know, um and I don't
know if we do it here, but one of the
other places that I've one of the other places that
I've worked, Um, you know you should send out your
show notes at the end of the show. And like, man,
(11:54):
we got Derek Jeter on right, Like Derek Jeter unbelievable.
Or now you get like Alec strod Reguez on like
doesn't don't say anything anything anything because their brand is
their name, their performances. They just I'm not gonna say
anything because he doesn't hit my brand. Cornerbacks are different.
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Wide receivers are different. They can talk it, they can
whether back it up or they get burned. It doesn't
even matter. It does work if you're good enough, it
does work. Nobody's talking about Casey Hayward, who's just as talented,
just as elite, uh, a guy who you're not gonna
throw to his side of the football field for the Chargers,
(12:35):
or Patrick Peterson who's been a seven Pro Bowls, three
time All Pro and is by the way, a really
interesting dude, but I haven't heard his thoughts on Russell Wilson,
Jared Golf, or even his own quarterbacks. And yeah, by
the way, I do love that that he didn't call
out Blake Mortals, but he didn't actually throw loving, gushing
(12:59):
support do what he gotta do, which uh I do
take for exactly as it's written, as it reads as
not exactly glowing praise and tells you everything you need
to know. You do what he gotta do well? Put
well put? So do I think people react to it
(13:22):
negatively in locker room? Like no, I don't know. I
think he could have a target on his practice this
season if I was one of the guys that eat
trash and be like, I got your number, now, sure
throw to him. That's what he wants, That's what What
do you think they weren't they like the idea, This
is the this is the team, the guy guaranteeing a victory.
What you don't think You think any athlete ever thought
(13:45):
he walked into an NFL game or an NBA game
not thinking they're gonna win a game. Of course they do.
Of course they do. You have a targets back he's
not a rookie. He's really really good. He's really really good.
Now again, Yes, our guy is gonna laugh at him
if he gets burned, if he gets sure, they can
talk trash to him. If that's one of the quarterbacks
that he says isn't very good, Matt Ryan doesn't. He
(14:08):
thinks he's overrated. Sure, but there is the chance that
everybody knows he's really good. You throw it in his direction,
he's going to take it to the house and they'll
be that confirmation of everything he said. Be sure to
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Easter not a Empacific. He's a force multiplier. Actually, he
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(14:28):
cable television. He's Eric Mangini. He joins us here in
the Herd. Um Jalen Ramsey sat down with a g
Q writer, got super comfortable and just went through quarterbacks
and game a line on each one of them. As
a as a long time former coach in this league
and a former head coach in this league. What's your reaction? Yeah,
(14:52):
I was unimpressed by it. I don't know why you
need to do that. I can't imagine that Tom Coughlin
was very happy with it, or Doug Morons very happy
with it. I don't see the value. It seemed like
one of those things where maybe he started talking the
interview and then just got on some sort of role.
But I've coached a lot of really good cornerbacks, really
(15:14):
talented guys, and they never felt the need to attack
somebody else. They may talk about how good they are,
but it was never about you know, they're they're being
a GM or talent evaluator and talking about everybody else. No,
but this is this is the talk of the locker room,
isn't isn't it? Though, Like, didn't he give us a
glimpse into it? Again, it's not. There's no analytics, there's
(15:34):
no true analysis there. It's just first thing you think of.
This does give us a glimpse into how dudes actually
talk if they didn't have a filter, doesn't it. Well.
I don't know if guys are sitting around talking like
that and and talking about the range of players in
the league, maybe they're talking about their Madden ratings and
disagreeing with things like that. But it seemed a little
(15:55):
bit more malicious than than just casual locker room talk,
talk about how you feel about one guy or another guy.
How do you manage it when it feels like some guy,
somebody's trying to make themselves into a personality, right, Like, Look,
Deon Sanders did this and obviously he was successful in
football field, but he also used it for his second
(16:16):
life afterwards. Darrell Rivas has used this, and you know
he's become he has he has ads on TV. He
look he can drow. Um, I'm not Drell Rivas. Sorry,
um uh shoot. Richard Sherman, Richard Sherman has done this,
He's got ads on TV. Like, some of this does
feel like, Hey, I'm gonna make myself into a personality
for for financial gain outside of the world of football.
(16:38):
How do you manage that when you're a coach, your
member front office. Yeah, I get that guys want to
improve their brand and the rise of social media and
all those things, and I'm I'm fine with that, but
there's I don't know how many advertisers are that excited
about someone who feels the need to tear other people down.
Dion to me was a guy who talked about him
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self and his ability and and there people can really
relate or admire someone with extreme self confidence. That that,
to me is a great trade, and it's great trade
for a quarterback. I don't think attacking other people is
necessarily that that same trade. Sometimes that's a characteristic of insecurity.
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In terms of managing it, you you know what you're
getting typically when you draft most guys, and if they
have the tendency to do that, you can't be surprised
when they do that. Now. I've imagine that they'll sit
down and talk with them about it and and talk
about the team's perspective on it and why they don't
like it. Now. Whether or not that's enough for it
(17:43):
happens again, I don't know. I would imagine it will
happen again. Let's let's go to Cleveland Browns, which again
another team that's they won won one game last two years.
I do think they have enough talent to be better.
In a matter of fact, they bring into Ron Taylor,
who helped lead the Bills to the playoffs year. He's
their starting quarterback. Um there's been discussions now all of
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a sudden from Hugh Jackson about maybe Drew Stanton as
the backup quarterback. How much of this comes down to
how good Baker Mayfield is, but how much or how
much of it comes down to what you actually need
in a backup quarterback. Well, right now, I wouldn't put
any merit into anything in terms of a depth chart
at this point in preseason. It's more of a rep chart.
(18:26):
You're trying to make sure that you get guys enough
work in different spots. It'd be unbelievable to me if
Baker Mayfield wasn't the number two. And ideally, what you're
looking for from your backup quarterback is a guy that
can go in and run the same system that the
starter runs and and not have to change what the
other ten guys are doing. And ideally it's a guy
who who is young, who is emerging, who is learning, um,
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which you know Baker is going to be in there
sooner rather than later. I don't know how long Tyrodoi
will last there. Yeah, how hard is that is that?
To not a guy who's a number one overall pick
like John Dorsey can tell us, hey, you know, I
didn't play Pat Mahomes. We didn't play Pat Mohomes last
year in Kansas City. That's the tenth pick. This the
number one pick in the in the draft and you're Cleveland.
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It's won one game the last two years. The fans
need hope, Like, how hard is it to sit a
guy even if you have all the good intentions at
heart and you have a capable starter into Tyrod Taylor
as the starter. Well, it's the it's the same situation
that they're facing in New York with Sam Donald. The
owner came out and said that that this guy is
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a franchise changing quarterback and you don't need to be
a GM or a head coach to recognize great talent.
Sam's gonna start, and he's gonna start sooner rather than later.
And it's the same thing with Baker. You you took
him over number one. Overall ownership is gonna want to
see him play. The city of Cleveland is gonna want
to see him play. And the season tickets are down,
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the amount of people that that go to the games
are down, and and an exciting young player like that
that gets people back into the stadium. That's important to
the organization, it's important to the owners. Um, Hugh's an
interesting guy, right, Guys generally like him, and he's seen
as he thinks himself as a quarterback whisperer because he's
the one that that got Andy Dalton to be, you know,
(20:15):
a higher level than expected quarterback in in Cincinnati. But
you've got two really vivid personalities with Todd Haley and
Greg Williams as as the coordinators, and then you have
huge trying to be player friendly at the top. What's
your thought of the personalities and how it's structured at
the top of the Cleveland Browns coaching staff. I've never
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been accused of being player friendly, so that's a little
bit less relatable to me. But I do think that
the most important things that you're you're true to whatever
your personality is. So the most important thing is to
get the guys ready to play. They're prepared, They they
understand why you're doing the things that you're doing, and
however you do it, it's in a sincere way. So
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if that's whose way, I'm all forward now. Typically with
with coaches, if if he was a player's coach and
it doesn't work out, the next guy they're gonna go
get is gonna be a disciplinarian. And when you have
a disciplinary and that doesn't work out, you go and
get a player's coach. And sometimes those at Oftentimes those
labels are misleading. You just need to be the coach
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that that's sincere and honest and and true to have
true to himself. We're going to see the Patriots tonight
um taking on the Philadelphia Eagles rematch sort of the
super Bowl, even though it's preseason. UM. Last year they
didn't have really enough playmakers defensively, and they found a
way to make it work and get to a super Bowl,
nearly win a super Bowl offensively this year, not gonna
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have Edelman first four games, They've already cut two wide
receivers expected to contribute. What are your thought on just
that The talent that the Patriots have in in relation
to the talent of other teams in the top the
f C, Well they have the most important talent. They
have Tom Brady. So that's that's the starting point. They
retained Josh McDaniels, they retained Dante Skarneckie, the offensive line coach.
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They still have have Bill And there's been a history
there of players that that become household names when when
they go to New England or when they get a
chance to play in New England. I remember early on
we had David Patton and David Gibbons, and nobody knew
who those guys were and they ended up helping us
win Super Bowl. So Tom has a way of making
(22:26):
those guys into names that we all appreciate and and
um and recognize that. It's it's about the scheme. It's
about doing the right thing, being in the right place,
and if you do, Tom's the most selfless quarterback in
the league. He'll get you the ball if you're not
in the right spot, regardless of how much talent you have.
(22:47):
We saw that with Chad Johnson. You're not gonna get
the ball and it's not gonna work. You couldn't line
up in the right spot. So they couldn't keep him
no matter how how talented he was that given time.
Last thing, Grunt did an interview he said never spent
a penny of his NFL money tell and endorsements. How
much of the Grounk meathead thing is an act? I
don't think. I think that's a guy who's true to
(23:08):
his personality. I think that that Gronk is who Gronk is. Now,
will it get exaggerated at times? I'm sure it gets
somewhat exaggerated, And and there's a different way that you
can play to your brand or market or be a personality.
Gronk does it in a way that's that's not negative,
and a lot of people really enjoy it. And I
(23:28):
think he may play it up more than than you
know what it truly is. But I do think there's
some sincerity into what we see from him. Yeah, I
would say the same thing with Bill though, right like
like Bill, Bill, Bill has a personality there. He may
not let it out. He stays on brand, especially at
the days of the press conferences, but he plays it
up there a little bit as well. Eric, thanks so
(23:50):
much for joining us. Go ahead, good time. I was
just gonna stay with it with Bill. He's he's His
philosophy has always been with the media. If I win,
they can't touch me, and if I lose, they can't
save me. So he's not really interested in promoting any brand.
He's interested in saying as the least the least amount
that he can possibly say and and protect the advantage
(24:12):
that he has in terms of of what the Patriots
are gonna do. But at personality health field, yeah, he
definitely has that. But you know what you're getting up
there is he's just he's not helping anybody in the
media ever. Alright, last thing, quickly got thirty seconds. The
rookie quarterback, you've been most impressed by his who I
(24:33):
can't even go there yet. With two weeks into the
we're going to the second game of the preseason. There's
no coverages, there's no game planning, there's very little offensively.
I'd say next week is the week that you really
start to get a glimpse of of who these guys are.
And uh yeah, I don't have a front runner yet.
(24:54):
He punchs, He punts on his first opportunity to go Florida. Yeah. Yeah,
it's fourth and twelve. What's up, everybody? John Middlecopp The
Three and Out Podcast brought to you by Colin Cowards
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I talk a ton of football this week. Talk about
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(25:16):
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John middlecop former NFL scout. My podcast is called three
and Out on Colin Cowards Podcast Network. I don't. I
think there are certain jobs in this world to which
people believe they know what that job entails, and they
(25:39):
actually have no idea, no idea. I remember I was,
I was that one of the other places I worked
at and it was NBA Draft day, and uh, there
was a kid, uh, Kendall Marshall. I think it's just
that Kendall Marshall played in North Carolina, very good point
guard North Carolina. And I still and this is not
a contradiction I contend to this day. Is in two
(26:01):
thousand and twelve, right when that when Kentucky won the
national title two thousand twelve, Kentucky was a national title.
Had Kendall Marshall not gotten hurt broke his wrist against
Creighton in the second round the n c A Tournament.
Had he not gotten hurt. I believe that the Carolina
was the better team. They played Kentucky at Kentucky lost
(26:22):
in the last second shot or had a last second
shot to win the game. And though both teams have improved,
I thought North Carolina was going to be the better
team and Kentucky never played them anyway. Um, it was
draft day and I said, hey, look, I wouldn't draft
Kendall Marshall at all, and he was viewed as a
lottery pick or first round talent. And my logic behind
(26:44):
it was I didn't think he was good enough to
be a starter because he wasn't a great athlete. He
couldn't guard anybody. It wasn't a good great shooter. But
more than anything, if it didn't work out as a starter,
I didn't think he was good enough to be a starter.
He couldn't be a backup point guard. And what happens
in people's minds is they think they're like, well, you're
not good to be started. Why couldn't you be a backup?
(27:05):
If you're just this much nut, you're just this close
to being you know, end of the league starter. Well
that's because the job of a backup point guard is
completely different than the job of a starter. Now look,
I end up being right. It was helped out by
the fact that kenn Of Marshall towards a c L
and never really recovered from it. But he wasn't a
good NBA player. He just wasn't. And the reason was
(27:27):
I couldn't find a place for him because he can't
be a backup. This is r G three had the
exact same problem like r G three, and I think
he has the same problem in Baltimore. Like r G three,
does look like a guy who can still play football
in the NFL could still potentially be maybe a spot starter.
But the problem is that the job of a there's
(27:47):
only there's two types of backups in the NFL. Two
one is the future starter, right, And that's what a
Baker Mayfield would be, if a Sam Donnold would was one,
or a Josh Allen to which you learned from the
starter and you just get ready for your day. But
but that window is only really a first year or
two years in the league, really, I mean, that's that's it.
(28:10):
You know, maybe it grows, but you only get that
when you have a solidified starter. But the true backup quarterback,
these these these Scott toll Zines of the world that
aren't really good enough to be started, Like why do
they survive? Because the job is different. I listened to
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what Hugh Jackson said about Drew Stanton and the potential
for Drew Stanton to technically be the number two quarterback
in Cleveland, and that's what it reminded me of to
take take a listen. I've said from the beginning. You
know again, I think experience is important. Um so right now,
Drew still has that experience and we'll see how that
(28:53):
all unfolds as we go. I know what you're asking.
I haven't made that that choice just yet, but at
think his veteran presence says a lot. You know, he's
playing a lot of games. I guess a lot of
teams we're gonna start off against and play against. So
I think that's important to definitely consider. So people will
freak out and say, wait a second, Drew Stanton is
better than our number one overall pick. That's That's not
(29:15):
what he said. Did he ever say there's anything about talent? Know?
What he's saying is like, look, we're playing a bunch
of teams to start of the year, and Drew Stanton's
got the book on those teams. He knows how to prepare.
He knows how to get whether it's to Rod Taylor
or whether it's Baker Mayfield, knows how to get them ready.
I I hearkened back, and I don't often hearken back,
(29:38):
but Rachel on this on this Thursday, I am harkening back.
I don't even know what that means. Um. Well, the
hearken back is to look back, to think back to remember,
remember my millennial ears. Don't understand right, You've been on
your phone the whole time, treating exacting Facebook Live. Actually,
I G I and your friends. Sorry, sorry, it's millennial
your I G and I G live. You get your
(29:59):
own I G broadcast. I hearkened back to something that
Derek Carr said. I think it was last year. This
is Derek Carr telling the story about when he was
named the Starter his first year in Oakland. He told
me that day that I was gonna be the starter,
asked me if I was ready. I said, yeah, I'm ready,
you know. And the next day I walked in to
(30:20):
watch film and Shop is sitting there. He shakes my hand,
he said, congratulations. He said, obviously you know I'm mad. Uh,
you know I think that I should be playing in
those things. And I don't think he worded it that way.
I'm just saying, um, but he said, whatever you need,
I got your back, whatever you need. I want you
to know how to anybody in this building, I have
your back. And from that point forward he proved it
(30:42):
every single day. He was never rooting against me. He
had never wished ill will. All he did was helped
me and teach me how to play quarterback as a professional. Right,
this is Matt Shop, the pick six match shop. Right.
Max Schob who was he was the backup in Atlanta,
became the starter in Houston, and then all of a
sudden he got in this stretch there. Greg too, of course,
remembers it well. He hearkens back to the days when
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Matt job was throwing touchdown passes again and again for
the wrong team. Right to what was it was like
six games in six it was perfect, six games with
a pick six. It's really remarkable where it's like one
of those It's like one of those, uh you got
Joe DiMaggio's head streak pales in comparison. To say it,
it takes a level, it takes a level of of
(31:28):
sucker to that we have not seen before or since
to throw a pick six and keep your job in
six straight games. Anyway, Matt shobs a prose pro. He
became a true backup. He understood, like look, a backup
point guard, backup point guard doesn't play like a starter.
Backup point guard has to change the pace of the game.
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You actually have to be many times the opposite of
your starting point guard. You have to press full court.
They want you to change, They want you to change
the dynamic offensively, change it namic defensively. You gotta be
a little bit tougher, a little bit crazy because you're
missing something talent wise that keeps you from being a starter.
So your backup point guard, you either come in and
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you're Jamal Crawford and you just try and get buckets,
I don't care about anything, or you're the Matthew Delavadova's
of the world, right who all you? You just you
make life a living hell for the other team's backup
point guard. It's the same thing in in the NFL.
Like the NFL, the backup quarterbacks only job is to
get the starter ready. Again, unless you're that future guy
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that you're just, you're not really a backup. You're just
the starter. They haven't named the starter yet. So when
you see when you hear hey Drew Starton, Stanton might
be the backup to start the year, it's not because
they don't think that Baker Mayfield is good. It's that
Baker Mayfield can bring nothing to the table to help
to Rod Taylor get ready for week one. He just can't.
There's nothing he can say. He can't say like, oh,
(32:57):
that time we were playing Iowa State, I did this,
Like that doesn't help me at all. It doesn't help.
And then look, there are just jobs in sports. Hell,
they're jobs in life that I don't think people truly
appreciate what they are, you know, and that they don't
they don't necessarily mean that you can well, you know.
And and television, I'm told the A D position, the
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assistant director position, is really really important. The director talks
to the camera people, picks the shots, and it's how
you look on TV. But the a D kind of
sets the table so that the director looks good. Doesn't
mean that the a D will eventually be a director.
I'm sure most every very D things that will eventually
be a director or producer or whatever. But it all
it means their job is incredibly important. But it's not
(33:41):
the same job as the director. It's just not The
backup quarterback is not the same job as the starter.
And so I don't freak out when I hear that
from Hugh Jackson. I think Hugh Jackson's lived understands this
league and and Todd as much as Todd Haley has
been an offensive coordiner, has been head coach, you know what,
he has n't in this league. He hadn't been a
(34:02):
quarterback in this league, whereas Drew Stanton has us him
for all the information to prepare him. And then like
eventually when Baker Mayfield becomes the starter, which is merely
a formality what happens in week one or week fifteen
or doesn't happen until next year, then you hope that
Tyrod Taylor can either be that guy or you have
Drew Stanton to be the consummate backup, only trying to
(34:26):
help the guy, only trying to help the starter, which
again is my fear for r G three, And it's
the reason that Conn Kaepernick is not a backup in
this league. This is I implore you if you cover
the NFL and you're one of these guys that is
so woke that you watch these backup quarterbacks like he sucks,
he sucks, he sucks. Why isn't Kaepernick is better? Kaepernick is?
(34:47):
But nobody's arguing Kaepernick is better? Is there the protest part?
And that's gotten in black balled. Sure, that's part of it,
but part of it is his personality. The reason he
lost his job in San Francisco to begin with was
he wasn't about everybody else had his headphones on, was
about himself. And then when you when he goes and
(35:07):
meets with Seattle last year, they even said he's just
he's a starting quarterback. The translation to that is, he's
not about getting Russell Wilson ready. He's not about He's
not about what can I do to make Russell Wilson
look good or to make any other start to look good.
You factor in that with the protest, with the idea
that uh, you know, Twitter might explode not if you
(35:28):
sign him, but then if you cut him. M You
factor all those things in and you're like, oh, well,
that's why he's not a backup. It's not because he's
not any good. And now he hadn't played football aviously
in a year and a half. You start running out
the clock on him a little bit, all right, coming
him next Dak Prescott had lost his mind, lost his mind?
(35:49):
Huh casual casual lost his mind? That is that a
millennial word, is that I'm not not catching up? But
how casual fits with Dak Prescott losing his Mind's just
the way that he's at it. It was a casualties Listen,
I'll teach you everything. Stick with me. Also hate the
fact that he said woke. Can we cross that off
the list? Why come on now, it's already woke. Is
(36:11):
jumped the jump the jump, jump the shark for you? Really?
I think so? But when I say when I say
media people, I didn't say you did. But I'm describing
people as woke people. You know, there are people who
all they do is troll social media all day for
something that will somehow offend them and automatically respond without
(36:34):
any context, without any knowledge of the situation. Right, those
are the people that are woke. One more heard. The
Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a
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listen live or on demand whenever you like. I don't
know if you guys saw this, but Grunk did a
sit down interview with um is what is it called
the undisputed? That was? That was? That was called uninterrupted?
(36:58):
Sorry we have undisputed. I didn't know if they copied
the name whatever. Uninterrupted. Uninterrupted is a really weird name anyway,
does it feels like a double negative even though it's
not a double negative. Is it a double I don't know.
And he was to take a listen. He was talking
about the rumor or the story out there that he
(37:19):
has never spent a dime of the money he actually
made in the National Football League. It's interesting you talked
about once that you only spend money from endorsements, you
hadn't touched in your NFL contract money. That's still true.
It's still true. Yeah, if you see my NFL money,
well how much I made. I got way more than that. Baby. Yeah,
(37:40):
he's made forty five million in his NFL career. Um
Gronk said, Uh, they hounded us on school, talking about
his parents hounded us on school, and that he's that
this is kind of it's a little bit off brand
to even admit that, but that I actually cement to me.
Do I think he is has meat head in him? Sure? Right.
(38:03):
Like I've met his family, I've seen them on TV.
Um apple trees make apples like it we all realize,
like that is a that is a house household, to
which bro Is said, a lot in it. It just
is that said, some of this is playing up to
his brand, right, My brand is kind of meat head.
(38:26):
You can't play for the Patriots if you don't have
a high football I you you just can't, especially playing
on the offensive side of the football. Eric Mangini joined
us last hour and he said, you know, it doesn't
matter about your talent. Chad Johnson was a perfect example.
Chad Johnson couldn't remember where to line up. It sounds
so easy, it is in fact complicating. You do have
to study, but you also have to have a football
(38:48):
like you and so I think when you hear that,
you're like, man, that's really really smart. I don't think
he's a complete idiot. I think some of it is
that's his brand. His brand is I'm gonna be the
big meat head dude. I kind of come from that
kind of family. But secretly, secretly, financially, his house is
completely in order. Now. If anybody thinks that he doesn't
(39:10):
need the football money, that he's gonna not play for long,
like Gronk's gonna shut it down there. Drew Rosenhouse was
hired as his agent two years ago. You don't hire
Drew Rosenhouse as your agent unless you're looking to get
every last dollar out of your football career. That's that's
that's just a known fact. It's a lot like like
when you hire Scott Boris as your agent in baseball,
(39:33):
you're like, I'm gonna fire my agent, hire Scott Bars.
You're not. You're not looking for a hometown discount. You know.
Nobody goes like, well I got Scott Boars, but I'll
take a hometown discount. Now, Scott Borris is gonna write
a book about how great you are, and then they're
gonna take every possible major League baseball team, hold them
upside down and shake them for as much money as
they're worth. And whoever has the most money that falls
out of their pockets, that's where you're going. That's what
(39:55):
happened with Bryce Harper this offseason. So I don't think
this means that Gronk has protected himself. I think it
means that Gronk completely understands that there's there is strength
in this brand. Like look, Jessica Simpson didn't come across
as the sharpest knife in the drawer right when they
had that when when when she had a reality show,
(40:16):
Remember what, buffaloes don't have wings? Remember the buffalo wing common?
But Jessica Simpson's actually financially pretty smart lady. Even the Kardashians,
A lot of that thing is played up like there's
a little financial genius, a little idiot savant there to
to what they do. Like playing dumb actually sells. Playing
smart doesn't sell. People feel intimidated by bright people. They
(40:41):
just do like you want. It's like a whole idea
of dumbing it down. Do I mean, look, the guy
who the guy who is occupying six D Pennsylvania Avenue,
he figured this thing out. Change your language, use more
average terms. I don't know if there was this actually
how he speaks or how he's been told to speak,
(41:03):
maybe a little bit of both. But it does play.
It does work, whereas when you try, like look, President
Obama was brilliant, but brilliant can be boring. I just can.
And I think Gronk gets it. He gets his brand.
His brand is meat head, catch football, spike football, met
(41:24):
Gronk love to party. I don't think that's necessarily who
he truly is, but I think he understands the profitability
of it. So are you saying that he is some
kind of genius underneath this? I don't think he's. I look,
I think he's a lot smarter than he lets on.
Can I say that when you're making that much money,
he says, he's only spending his sponsorship money. That's probably
(41:45):
easy to do. Yes, of course, when you're drunk and
you play, and you play the happy go lucky guy
like you're not ever picking up the tab right, like
you can just you don't have to buy beers for
any But even if he is, he's probably totally sat
with just his sponsorship money. Yes, it also shows how
dumb other guys are, how wasteful other guys are.
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Betrayal Weekly is back for a brand new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-4 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.