Can the Bears win with Mitch Trubisky as their QB?

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I'll tell you why Mitchell Trobiski isn't great, but it
might be good enough for the Bears to have a
successful season. Plus po unfl quotaby Chris Sims joined the show.
He breaks down Pat Mahomes firsts La March Jackson, why
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overreaction to yesterday. Credit me and me alone. I know

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uh that um Isaac Lohenkron, who was on updates yesterday,
and John Ramos both agreed with my picks. My pick
which was the Redskins, But only I, the whimsical wizard
of me, told you that it would be I said bigly.
I used the President's word, which I think sometimes people

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think says big league, or maybe he says big league,
but it sounds like big lee. This was a complete
and utter mismatch. The Redskins stink, and the Bears are
remarkable on defense, average on at quarterback, and decent enough
on offense. Right, and so they went by a sizeable margin.

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Jake Gruden was already on the hot seat, but now
becomes incredibly obvious. Stop me if you've heard this before,
but maybe case Keenum isn't good enough at quarterback. Remember
the people in Minnesota when, uh, when they signed Kirk Cousins,
and Kirk Cousins had a quote unquote disappointing season last
year throwing for over four thousand yards. Maybe we should

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have stuck with case Keenum. Yeah, how that worked for
the Rams? How did that work for the Broncos? How
did that work for now the Washington Redskins. I mean
there's no greater sign you're going to get fired than
if you announced case Keenum as you're starting quarterback to
start the season. Don't believe me. Look what happened in

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l A with the Rams, Look what happened in Denver,
and what's likely to happen with the Washington Redskins. Pretty
Mark wouldn't all three coaches he started the season as
the starter for. And I'm throwing in the fact that
it looks like Jake Gruden six years time probably up
that all three coaches and ultimately get the acts. Pretty interesting.

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Then there's the other quarterback, Mitch Robinsky or Mitchell Trabisky,
whatever you want to call him. He wasn't great. Matter
of fact, I could make the case that they hadn't
even really been very good. Now I laid out for
you going back a couple of weeks ago, a couple
weeks ago, that how they came to draft Mitchell Robinsky.

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But the end of the game, I mean, you look
at the numbers, and it wasn't terrible. Thirty one to one,
three touchdowns, one interception. They were up twenty three and
a half, and they cruised to a victory. And and
here's the thing, I know that they are forever going

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to be known as the team that passed on not one,
but two star quarterbacks. Deshaun Watson was in that draft,
and of course Pat Mahomes was in that draft, and
Matt Nagg coming from Kansas City, runs essentially the same offense,
with well two big differences. One the talented wide receiver
in tight end that they have in Kansas City. But two,

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and this is most importantly, the quarterback is different. They
are going to be the team that traded up to
draft a quarterback that didn't draft Pat Mahomes. You gotta
live with that. But that's not what today should be about.
That's not what last night should be about. That's not
what their season should be about. The Bears are two
and one. If you want to make the case they
almost lost to the Denver Broncos, that's fine. If that's

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the case. They almost beat the Green Bay Packers, and
they'd beat three and oh remember last year they won
their division, got a home home home game and lost.
But the fact is that the Bears have rebuilt themselves
as a defensive juggernaut. And I want you to ask
yourself this, in the thirty five years, right wasn't it
thirty five years since they won the Super Bowl? They've

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been They've been the playoffs eleven times, including last year,
so ten out of thirty four years they've been. But
in the in all of this time, even going back
to when they won a Super Bowl and eighty five,
or when they appeared in a Super Bowl against Peyton
Manning and Rex Grossman was their quarterback. When did the

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Bears have a dynamic offense at a dynamic quarterback like
we remember the Bears because the defense was the best
historically in the league, maybe in the history of the league.
They also had Walter Payton at all time great. They
had William the Refrigerator Perry, who they gave the ball
to instead of Walter Payton in the Super Bolt score touchdown.

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They annihilated everything in their path. We remember Jim McMahon,
but that's because he fought the league. That's because he
was a wild child, not because he was a great quarterback.
And so I guess my point is not I'm not
gonna sit here and convince you Mitchell Robinsky is a
top ten quarterback. I'm not. His numbers were fishing last night.

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He played well enough. He had three touchdowns one in reception.
They laughed. They they won going away, and they were
helped by the fact that the other teams that they've played,
both in Denver and now in the Skins don't have
a good enough quarterback. I know, they missed on a superstar.
They missed on a guy who might set every record

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in the history of the league, and that one it's
gonna be hard to live down. But that shouldn't be.
How you look at the Bears right now, is he
good enough? What does your job require of you? Passing
yards second to last and pass per attempt only, averaging

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a hund ninete passing yards per game. And you sit
there and you're like, man, he threw for fewer yards
last night and yards pert tempt than both Carson Wentz
and Dak Prescott did against the exact same crummy Redskins defense.
The Bears defense force five turnovers, including one interception return
for a touchdown. So they they won in spite of

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not because of Mr Drabinsky, But you know what, when
you have that defense, when you have what they have
around you, you don't have to throw for four hundred yards.
You don't have to line up every time and run
oop to you. You don't have to trick people and
fool people. You can be conservative and you could have

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an average at best quarterback and still have a spectacular team. Yes,
the Chiefs have Pat Mahomes. The Chiefs smartly sat Pat
Mahomes and he learned. He became a pro and Alex
Smith trained him, and they had they put a good
roster around him, and they might have the best skilled
position players in the entire league. But the Chiefs, going
back to last year even to this year, they need

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him to score thirty five a game. They need him
to be just a freak of nature. They have no
ants of winning otherwise, that's not what's what's what's needed
from Mr Drabinsky. Drabinsky simply has to read the defense,
deliver the ball, get it to guys in space, try
and not take negative plays, run out of trouble, don't

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turn it over, be smart, occasionally make a big play
when they call an explosive But outside of that, the
defense is awesome, the play calling is creative, and now
that they have a relatively decent kicking game, he just
needs to not lose them the game. And if you
don't think that that works in the NFL. I give you, well,

(08:38):
rest Crossman, That'll work out for you. So just remember
what Matt Naggy said after they lost to the Packers.
Does a little combination of everything, you know, I think,
uh again, I give credit to to coach Patton on defense.
I said it to you guys last year. He's a
good defensive coordinator and he does a lot of good things,

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and they do some things personnel wise that they're able
to do. He's always done that, um and so uh.
But at the same time, you know, I just I
think that whether it was in the run game, I
know we had a bunch we ended up throwing a
lot more than passing, and for whatever reason we did,
that's not what we want. That's how we want. We
want to be a running team. We want our quarterback

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to run it back. Even last night, they still you know,
David Montgomery is not really a guy who they want
to have carried the ball five times, but they'd like
to figure out the way to do that. They wont
with the Redskins scoring a late touchdown and having to
go for two. It wasn't as close as the final score.
They played to their strengths as what professionals do, and

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they won the game in their two and one I
don't I get that he's not Pat Mahomes. It may
save them fift twenty million dollars a year that he's
not Pat Mahomes if they choose to stand by Mr Rabinsky.
Is mittch Chubinsky great? No? Is he bad? No? Is
he good enough? I think the answer actually is yes.

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Former NFL quarterback Chris Simms joins the show. Does he
think Trabisky is good enough? No? We'll get to that next.
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kind of fascinating this how people cover and how people
address the Michigan thing. You know, I've heard obviously Clay
Travis loves to say that Jim Harbaws the most overrated coach. Ever,

(11:33):
that's because he believes he's treated like he's Nick Saban
in the production hasn't been Nick Saban. Um. I would
point out that look Saturday was super disappointing for Michigan.
Can't help but be disappointed by it. And this year's
schedule was one that you thought, Hey, that's that's a

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schedule that you can win a lot of games with.
You know, Yeah, they had to go to Wisconsin. Would
you get Notre Dame at home? You know how stayed
at home? You got Michigan State at home. I gotta
go to Penn State. But they just you know, they
lost mc sorley from last year. They lost mc sorley,
They've lost other players. They're not the same. They're not
the same Penn State. They've been so and and you know,

(12:20):
a Penn State team they dominated last year, they got
I went home, Notre Dame at home, Michigan State at home,
Ohio State at home, Wisconsin the road, Penn State on
the road. That looked like a schedule that you could
win a lot of games with. Still does. And I
know this is going to be unpopular because Shaye Patterson

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didn't play well and hasn't looked great, you know, and
Carbonett wasn't healthy, only had two carries, They didn't have
their starting running back. They fumbled inside the five at
the five yard line on their first drive. They, by
the way, fumbled down each of their first drives in
each of their first three games. They had a huge

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overturned reception on their second drive after they got to
stop and they took on. Wisconsin was good at Wisconsin,
and Wisconsin played super efficient, brilliant football. I mean, now,
look if you Wisconsin and you can sit there and
go like, yeah, that sounds great. But Jonathan Taylor did
even play for half the game because he was injured,
and he's still rushed for two three yards fair point.

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I think we're gonna know about Michigan real soon. I
I just do. I think we're gonna know. To me,
it felt like one that just got away from him.
They haven't played great football. They're trying to find you
know this this new offense and a new identity, etcetera, etcetera.
They get the benefit of Rutgers up coming this Saturday.
Then they got Iowa at home, and they got Illinois.

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I was obviously much better than Illinois. Here's Joe Clay yesterday.
This one felt different, Doug really did. It felt like
it felt like, oh my gosh, all of this, all
of this effort, Harbaugh, it felt like this isn't gonna work,
this change of philosophy, this everything there was not the

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quote unquote enthusiasm enthusiasm undown demand kind, you know, I mean,
there was no sense of urgency and this one felt
so much different in the stadium leaving talking with some
of the coaches as I was leaving, UM, I think
that there's some real soul searching going on at Michigan. UM.
I don't. I don't know if they have any confidence

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that this is the direction that the offense should have
gone in order to try to get better from years previous.
This is certainly a crossroads, and the way that they
deal with this, I think is going to define the
future of this program for the next five, maybe even
ten years, because if it goes south, they might not
fire Jim Harbaugh, but I could see him certainly stepping

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away m if he goes south. And we don't know.
Look that they did have. They did have people's jones.
Their best wide receiver has been hurt all year. They
got dark black back. Obviously this year the Bell kid
from Kansas City had the spectacular catch. You only had
two catches. Jaye Passion is not playing great as they
tried to change systems, maybe to help Shaye Patterson. I

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think there's I think there's three things they're they're working
that's working against them. Here. You got a first time
play caller Colin plays at a high level against a
really good coach in Paul Christ and his staff is outstanding. Um. Obviously, turnovers,
I don't care whose calm plays. You fumbled the ball
at the five yard line your first drive, You're you're not,
that's that's Those are tough one coming back against the

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team that's running the football hard. But what also you
have to remember is all of these players were recruited
to play a different style of football. It doesn't mean
that they can't and won't eventually learn more of this
spread game, but I don't know if that's what they
actually do best. Let's welcome and Chris Sims course uh
for up all night in America, and you can see

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him covering Notre Dame football as well. It's Doug outlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Chris, I want to
get to your thoughts on Notre Dame in Georgia. But
Michigan's problems are they fixable? Um? Just from what I've
seen with Michigan, I don't know if they are fixable.
I don't know. The offense definitely lacks creativity. Uh. That's

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probably really been a theme of you know Jim Harbaugh's career. Uh,
So I look at it that way. I don't look
at Shay Patterson as being a big difference maker. I
don't look at Michigan in general and just go wow,
look at all the athletes all over the field. You know,
their sound, they're well coached, their defense plays good. But

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I mean again, you know, you just look at the
NFL draft the last two years. There's not exactly like
skill players from Michigan spilling over to the NFL and
we're like, oh, please, wow, this is overload of Michigan
skill guys. I just think they depend on kind of
beating you up physically and winning games, uh, through sound football.
And that's just not going to get it done every game,
weekend and week out in college football and especially in

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the Big Ten. Let's get to Notre Dame. UM. I
know they don't want to collect moral victories, but it
did feel like one. Maybe they had a moral victory
against Clemson. Last time they played Georgia came down to
one play. Uh, but just watching it from where from
my vantage point, felt like a hell of football team. Uh.
Two teams loaded with athletes, and Notre Dame played them

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not to a draw, but pretty close to what if it?
Like you, yeah, I'm in the same way. You know,
I'm a little disappointed in the fact that, you know,
I thought Notre Dame might be able to run the ball.
More was a little surprised they didn't try to run
the ball. I thought one of their great advantages they
have is they have a fairly complex running game scheme
as compared to most of college football. Uh And not

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that I expected them to go in there and just
steamrolled Georgia or anything like that, but you know, the
fact is they couldn't get any running game going, and
it made them one dimensional. I do give it a
little bit of a moral victory for Notre Dame. You know,
people don't want to believe in Notre Dame's talent, and
I want to go, Notice, they got an NFL tight end.
You know, they got NFL offensive lineman, and you know

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Chase Claypooler receiver is going to be an NFL wide receiver.
They got NFL dbs. You saw they were not out
athleted against Georgia, if anything, maybe just a little outsize
and physical to a degree. I think that was a
little bit of a surprise to me. But defense played well,
Ian booked a lot of good things. Like I said,
I just a little disappointed in their run game or
lack thereof Jake from like awesome college quarterback. I don't

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look at him as being a first round talent as
far as NFL quarterback. I need to study him, Doug,
Like I haven't done a draft study, but my early
I would tell me that he's a fringe NFL starter
slash really awesome backup quarterback. But I don't think he's
in the class of a guy like to or Justin

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Herbert up in Oregon. What's missing? I don't think I
see anything elite as far as physical ability. You know,
good athletes, but nothing great. Just the solid college quarterback athletes.
Arm is good, but I'm not gonna sit here and
go wow, he's making wow throws all over the field.
You know, let's not forget. He's gonna look a little

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bit better because he does have a ton of NFL
players around him at Georgia, whether it's running back, receivers, lineman,
defensive players, and of course a great coaching staff that's
been accumulated there. But still really good football player. But yeah, Doug,
we'll talk about this more. When it comes draft time
and he's he is draft eligible, we can get in
this conversation. But yeah, that would be my early TV

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scouting outlook on him. Chris Sim's joining us in the
Doug Gottlib Show, Let's get the Football Night in America.
Brown's rams uh, Brown's obviously everyone's pointing out the fourth
and nine draw call there. There there have been some
people who are kind of coming on board with me,
which's like, hey, yano, Baker hasn't been hasn't been great,
maybe not close to as good as advertised. Let's start

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with Baker Mayfield. How much of it is on him?
How much of it is on the play calling? Well,
I think a good amountain you gotta put on Baker Mayfield.
I think Baker Mayfield and head coach Freddy Kitchen they're
kind of still finding their way in the NFL. And
Baker has from preseason game number three down in Tampa
Bay been a little off just throwing the football. And
really the first time I've ever seen him be off

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in his career, even dating back to Oklahoma. And when
I say off, I mean, yeah, you know there's a
guy there that I've seen Baker Mayfield, you know, throw
it into a tight window and throw a strike like
twenty times in his NFL career, and now he's made
a few throws lately where you know, it's not a strike,
it's just on the outside edge and it's a ball
where it's just off target. That way. The biggest thing

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I think that's a little concern to me with Baker
Mayfield though through the first three weeks more than anything,
is just a little bit jumpy in the pocket. You know,
leaves the pocket when he doesn't need to. Uh, if
the first guy is not open, kind of panics, Hey,
just sit there. There's a lot of times where it's
three and four man rushes, the pockets clean, the first
guy's not open, and he moves for some reason. Um,

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So they are finding their rhythm as an offense. I
think Freddie Kitchen is trying to find out, you know,
kind of what their mantra on the offensive side of
the ball will be. Because right now, even though I
like that they finally stayed patient with the run game
a little last week, it does look like it's just
an offensive. Hey, let's call this play because we practice it.
Let's call that play because we practice it. There's no

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planned attack or tying together a plays and concepts that
I that I see quite yet. Yeah, I said yesterday
that and you tell me if you Chris Simms joining
us on the Duck Gtling show, I said yesterday and again,
as you know, feel free if I'm way off. You
can take a chance with an undersized quarterback who has
a good football mind, but look, he's still an experience.

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He's gotten confused here first three. You can take a chance.
You can take a chance with an unproven head coach
and the way it's really hard to be a head
coach and a play call. You can take that chance.
You can take a chance with the ego of Odell
Beckham Jr. And spending money at skill positions while while
not spending as much money or as much attention on
the offensive line. But but if you spend, if you

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take all of these chances combined, Now of a sudden,
you're seeing that with the Browns, it's not one thing,
it's a bunch of different stuff, and it's one of
the reasons that this team is kind of not balanced.
I couldn't agree more. And you know, to to speak
to your point even further in detail, you know. That's
what a great offense is. A great offense has one

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thing they do really good, right, and then they force
you to adjust to it. And then when you adjust,
they go, oh, now they've made the adjustment and we
got planned B and C to screw them over. Just
look at the RAMS. The RAMS formula is not complicated.
Speed sweep, fake the speed sweep, give it to Todd Curley,
fake the speed sweep, fake Todd Gurley, play action pass

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wide open, fake the speed sweep, Todd Gurley fake play
action pass screen to the running back. So it doesn't
take much, but you've got to find something that you're
really good at. And then now the defense has to
play outside their comfort zone because they go, oh, I
don't know how we're gonna stop that unless we change
what we do. And that's what a great offense does.

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And then that filters into other great things as you
go along. Chris Sam's joining us in the Dug Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I think a lot
of people are conflating two things. They see that the
Bears traded up and took Mr Drabinsky instead of Deshaun
Watson and Pat Mahomes and They're like, that was a
bad decision. Fair, right, in hindsight those two are better.

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Maybe in foresight those two are better. But but it's
Drabinsky good enough? Like does it for the Bears? Does
it really matter? That's a fair question. And you know,
also to what you're saying, it's not Drabinsky's fault that
they mis evaluated every all all the quarterbacks that you're
in took him at number two. It's just not his fault.

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If you want to blame anybody, blame Brian Pace for that,
you know. And I I of respect for the GM
Ryan Pace there in Chicago, because he's built a really
good football team. They can still win with Mittel Trowinski.
Of course they can. They went eleven and three with
the last year. He led them down to kick an
easy game winning field goals and the double doink against
the Eagles. Played really well in that playoff game, I mean,

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one of his best games of the year and certainly
answered the bell when he needed two. Most I think
there's like two things Matt Aggy. I do believe it's
been a little over raised as an offensive play call
or we just said, oh, he's great because they won
games last year, and he came from Andy Reid, so
he was annointed an offensive genius right there. I'm just
telling you I like his offense, but I watched it

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on film almost every week, and I never really come
away going whoa, that was like an amazing attack, Like WHOA.
I saw some plays in this game plan that I've
never seen before, let alone. I think their talent on
the offensive side of the ball it is a little
overrated to go with it. You know, offensive line solid,
but as you saw last night, their run games nothing special.

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There's no special running back. Receivers are all good, but
they're not the type of guys that like defenses are
going whoa. If we don't double team Alan Robinson or
Taylor Gabriel, we're gonna lose. The game's over. It's not
that type of talent. So I think all of that's
been a little overrated. People have caught onto matten Age,
Mitchell Dbrisky has not been perfect, but did some good

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things last night, And uh, they don't have to be
over overly complicated. The thing I liked about last night
more than anything, Doug, is they at least it wasn't
just a role of deck of plays. The game plan
early was let's just throw its short. Let's be efficient.
We'll throw wide receiver screens, little pick plays underneath play defense.

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You know, it kind of took the place of their
running game, and there's nothing wrong with that. The New
Orleans Saints have made a career out of finding a
lot of bullcrap ways to throw the ball five yards
to Alvin Kamara or hey Drew look over here, But
it is all window dressing because I wanted to throw
it over here to Michael Thomas. I think a little
more of that has to go on in Chicago to
help me to true whisky out. I think that's what

(26:10):
the offense is calling for. And uh yeah, they can
play through their defense and still be a very dangerous
football team. I I completely and totally agree with you.
Um I don't know if you've seen the tape yet,
but the Kyle Allen thing kind of interesting, right, I mean,
here you have right, I mean, Kylin was a highly
touted recruit, Goes Day and m he actually beat out

(26:32):
Kyler Murray, but then they started splitting time. He leaves
goes to Houston and now you have Cam who is
still not gonna be healthy this week and I it's
really hard to tell because the Cardinals aren't very good.
But is Kyle Allen a better quarterback right now than
Cam Is? Well, yeah, I mean at this moment, I
mean yes, because the one thing we learned in the

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first two weeks of the year. I mean, Carolina the
football team played good foot ball. They could have won
the first two games. It was there to be had
in Week one against the Rams, certainly there to be
had against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on that Thursday night game.
The flaw of the team those first two weeks was
Cam Newton. And I don't like saying that because I
think Cam Newton is like a really really special player.

(27:18):
But he missed throws and made reads, uh in those
games that were just inexcusable. And of course now we
know he wasn't totally healthy, and of course he was
battling with coming back from the shoulder injury to begin with.
But man, that he missed a lot of throws those
first two weeks. And they have an offense with Norv
Turner who's he's formulated a pretty good game plan. They
got a sneaky talent. You know, they still got a

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oldson at tight end. But Curtis Samuel and d J.
Moore a wide receiver, pretty damn good old lines getting there.
So at the very least, he took advantage of what
was there to be had which had not happened the
first two weeks with Cam Newton. Am I ready to
anoint him the starting quarterback of the Carolina Panthers. Absolutely not.
I still think a healthy hitting on all all cylinders,

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Cam Newton is the most dangerous Carolina Panthers team we've seen,
but he just got to get healthy. And at least
now they have the confidence of a guy like Kyle
Allen to where they don't have to throw Cam Newton
back out there at eighty five. This can give them
the confidence to let him heal up, let him get
back to the guy that we know he's capable of being,
and hopefully they can string together some wins in the meantime.

(28:23):
Lamar Jackson looks so good weeks one, week two, and
I know that people look at the final numbers like
it wasn't bad, But but he was bad. You know,
even though those two completions, which is like fifty yards
were complete miracle Marry Rahail Mary's luck. Um, I think
that's the real Lamar Jackson right, still can run it
and can make some throws, but if you play him right,

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he can just be so inaccurate, short and underneath. I
just we just didn't get a sense of who he
was because of who he was playing against and how
they kind of overwhelmed him. Is that is that a
Is that a fair amount of analysis? I I think
it's a fair amount of analysis. I think there's some
other things that we need to blame on the Baton
or Ravens, you know, philosophy of that game. Anyways. I mean,
you know, I've said this a little this week already.

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Baltimore tried to go into Kansas City and out Kansas
City in Kansas City and that just ain't gonna happen.
It's like they came out the show like, oh no,
we're gonna throw. We're the greatest show on turf. We're
gonna come out throwing and show you what we're all about.
I I really thought the overall game plan for the
Baltimore Ravens played right into the Chiefs hands. And in

(29:27):
the first half, what was Lamar Jackson eight for nineteen
something like that? You know, then they start the second half,
they run the ball every play and smash it down
the throw to the Kansas City Chiefs. So I think
they got a little enamored with the match up the
way their offenses and playing. You know, hey, they tried
at the end of the first half to to go
down and throw the ball six straight times and they

(29:50):
leave a minute in eighteen seconds left on for Patrick
Mahomes who then goes down and kicks the field goal
before the half. It just wasn't a Baltimore Ravens type
of game to me, especially starting off with going for
two points to start the game. I just they haven't
done that all year, but now we're gonna be insanely
aggressive and the toughest environment we played all year. No,

(30:10):
that's not what you're made for. The Baltimore Ravens are
famous because of their run game, their defense, and then
Lamar Jackson strikes from there, and I think they kind
of put the what do I want to say, the
egg before the chicken or the chicken before the egg
here where they went, No, we're gonna come out fire
Lamar Jackson and show them we can throw the ball,
and then we're gonna go back to what we do

(30:31):
and at that point it was too little, too late,
and they were down thirty Car before Horse. Yeah, that's
a good one too. I like that before car before Horse.
Christ great stuff. As always, Man, really appreciate you join us.
You're the man, Doug. I'll talk to you. See you
next week. Chris Sims Football Night in America and you
covers Notre Dame. I was talking to Chris Simms about quarterbacks.

(30:52):
So who's the top quarterback in the a f C
North right now? I'll tell you next. Be sure to
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(31:19):
and Dog The game today is rank all right, we
got four things for you to rank, Doug. Let's start
in the NFC North standings looking pretty good with Green
Bay on top at three and oh followed by Detroit
at two oh and one in Minnesota and Chicago at
two and one. Those are the standings. I want you
to rank the NFC North in the order of you

(31:39):
think who is best to worst? I think green Bay one,
Minnesota too, all right, now, put Detroit ahead of Chicago
at three and four. Interesting, Yeah, you'd have to give
it the Green Bay because of their wins over Minnesota
and Chicago to start the season. I still have questions
about the Packers, but they haven't looked explosive and dominant

(32:02):
whatever those two games. I think that that's a very
very fair ranking because I think Minnesota had a bad
quarter against green Bay and otherwise they've looked really good.
And Detroit, hey, you gotta give him credit for the
wins at Philadelphia being a Chargers team. Yeah, yeah, I would.
I I don't have any any problems with those kind
of very easily lost that Charger game two times, two
or three times, but they did win the game, could

(32:24):
have lost to Denver. So yeah. Rank the four starting
quarterbacks right now in the a f C North opposite
at Rogers one. I'll put a f C North. Sorry sorry,
So the a f C North is okay, So I'm
gonna do um m hmm. It's always loaded. When you

(32:49):
could put Baker Mayfield on the mar Jackson in at
I'm going to do uh Anie Dalton one I'm going
to put uh Baker too. I'll put to Lamar Jackson three,
but not far before, not not that far behind. Not

(33:11):
that far behind is the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, who,
of course I saw play a ton of Mason Rudolph
and put roodlof four. But I almost feels like a
three way tie. It's very unique too, because the Bengals
actually have been okay, and considering that's kind of my point, Like,
I don't think any Dalton is great, but I think
he's fine. I think he's he's just solid and doing

(33:33):
so with that A J. Green is really hard and
and they've been competitive into the three games. Yeah, for sure, Doug.
You were talking with Chris Sims about Notre Dame and
Georgia the game that they had this past weekend, which
I thought was a great, great looking game with the uniforms. Yeah,
and a good football game. Rank your three favorite college
football uniforms. Um, this is this is tricky because you've

(34:02):
got a helmet to consider. Yeah, yeah, okay, So I
do like Georgiea's but I like George's road better than
their home. But okay, I like Georgia one. I also
like Texas as all whites, but Texas too. Um. And

(34:25):
I've always been a big fan of u c l
a's u c l a's home uniforms. Sure that that helmets,
Yeah yeah, yeah, very very sharp look. I am, I
am partial. I love when crazy. Yeah. I love the
buck eyes of the silver bullet helmets and the red jerseys.
I actually really like Tennessee with the just the There

(34:46):
are a lot of college programs with just the two colors,
and I think Tennessee wears it as well as as anybody.
And you know, I'm not a big Oregon you know,
fan of like the mixed uniforms, but uh, I like
I like Washington's look with the gold helmets. Yeah. And
an honorable mention is usc when the maroon jerseys and

(35:08):
gold All right, yesterday the first day of fall autumnus
here Doug, rank your three favorite things about fall. A
lot of different things that that come. Okay, if you
live anywhere outside of California, when the humidity cuts, that's
the number one thing. The weather. Fall weather is the best.

(35:28):
Fall weather is the best. Uh. Baseball playoffs. Baseball playoffs
is number two. Baseball playoffs uh a number three? Um,
I would say all things sports. I'm on the Fall colors,
Fall colors, So I'll do three is the colors, two

(35:49):
is baseball playoffs, and one is the weather. Before we
wrap up. My wife yesterday went to get a coffee
before work and she told me that the lump spice
were absurd yesterday at multiple Starbucks locations or coffee locations
whatever because of the Yes, the pumpkin spice being unveiled.

(36:13):
You miss fall, you miss seasons? Yes completely, this is
game time on the dum Gottlip Show follows also Apple Season.
I love apples. I love apples, apples and honey. That's
next Monday is Russia, Shanna apples and peanut butter. Um.

(36:35):
I do I enjoy a good apple? Favorite kind of apple,
Dan buyer delicious, red red delicious, red delicious. What might
you write music like a good Fuji apple, good fuji
good fuji apple. Yeah, I am a Granny Smith. Grannie Smith.
I like the tart tartness of the green apple with

(36:56):
a little peanut butter on it. Or you guys ever
had cookie butter? You haven't a cookie butter. I'm bringing
it tomorrow, Mom, bringing put cookie butter, and you're all
gonna go, this is the greatest thing I've ever tasted
in my life. You know, those Biscoff cookies, How would
you describe cookie butter exactly? How you just were about
to say, yeah, Biscoff cookie made into like a peanut

(37:16):
buttery substance. Now, you've always been a huge peanut butter guy.
So if you got to choose, am I cheating cheating
on peanut but peanut butter is better for you? Well,
of course, but I still think cookie butter taste good
because it's really sweet. But it goes back to the like,
if you could only choose one, I'd still go peanut
butter because it's more versatile on a day to day
basis completely agree. Versatility is key. You know, it's like

(37:40):
what the NBA's discovering with the NFL's discovering, peanut butter
discovered a long time ago. Are there individual things that
are better, sure, but when you put peanut with chocolate,
peanut butter with celery, peanut butter with apples, peanut butter
with jelly, peanut butter by itself, you know, all these
things the incredible versatility which you just don't have with

(38:03):
a even with a cookie butter as good as cookie
butter is. Tray flowers from the Lions joins the show.
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Today we are watching the Gnats try and clinch their
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for the Gnats with a three one lead, three one lead,

(38:47):
and um, well this is fun. Oh strike out? So
the Gnats have a three one lead, bottom of the
eighth inning, bases loaded, strikeout looking, so there's two outs
as they try and play at on they are three
outs away. Rowdy Reid getting a chance and knocking some runs,
three outs away from clinching that wild card spot, which

(39:10):
I believe buyers this right would eliminate the Cubs as well.
I think so. So we do have some day baseball
taking place. You know, one of the most interesting teams
in the NFL, which I kind of feel like not
enough people are talking about, is the Detroit Lions. And
they had such a big lead in Arizona, kind of

(39:32):
felt like they fell asleep, you know, and they end
up tying that game. Imagine had they not tied that game,
a game which they thoroughly dominated for three quarters. Lions
are three and oh three and oh and Trey Flowers
part of uh part of the Patriots and won two
circles and now part of what's without any question a

(39:53):
culture change in Detroit coming over with that coaching staff
joins us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sport Tradio. Trey,
how are you? I'm good as it going good man? Um,
how would you characterize your team's season today? Um, you know,
we were working harder Um, you know over the years

(40:13):
early so, um, you know, we were down our fundamentals,
all the little things that you know comes with early
football games, and you know we're trying to improve week
at the weekend, you know kind of you know, start
off on a good foot. So obviously this is a
different place than New England, where you previously played. How

(40:35):
different is the locker room? How different is the culture? Yeah, um,
you know, I wouldn't say as much different. Obviously Matt
Patricia's head coaches. He came from the Patriots, so obviously, um,
you know he surrounded guys in the locker room that's
high character, guys that you know, willing to work, that's
willing to go out there and you know, don't really

(40:57):
care about who gets The phrase is kind of you know,
ready to come to work and get and get good
team wins. So um, you know, I wouldn't say it's
any different from all the successful locker rooms. Obviously, you've
got to have people that you know, uh, we'll put
the team first and kind of, um, develop a standard

(41:18):
amongst each other that you know, you hold each other accountable.
Does he give you any special level of accountability because
he respects you because you've been through those wars? Uh No,
I wouldn't say, Um, you know, it's it's all fifty
three guys are held to the same level of expectations.

(41:41):
So um you know he uh you know, uh, yeah,
you know, I have a few history views with him,
but you know, um, you know, this is a a team.
So as far as you know, him holding everyone in
the locker room accountable, and you know he's expecting them,
everyone in locking to hold each other kind of. So
you know, it's just kind of know how to how

(42:04):
the locker room field. Did you get any did did
you get it in the contract that you when he
wants to do those practice outdoors in the dead of winter,
did you get in the practice you get the vet
day for those days? Nah? No, No, I didn't put
in him a contract. Uh, you know, I'm a I'm
a football player. So you know it's just raine, sleep, sunshine, snow,

(42:26):
whatever it is. You know, you gotta kind of be
prepared for. So you know that it's just you know,
it's a mental toughness thing, just kind of you know,
you get the opportunity to come out in practice and
and get better work on your craft. You know, he's
not gonna let I'm not gonna let the weather kind
of um stop you or dictate you know if you

(42:47):
if you're gonna get better or not. So you got
your first sack as a lion this weekend. What's that like? Yeah,
it was it was all right. I mean, you know,
as he came from you know him kind of going
down and surrendering rather than you know, meeting him down.
But you know, uh he Carson wins. He's definitely hard
to come down to bring down. So, um, you know,

(43:11):
it is what it is. Uh, hey man, hey, listen,
straight straight, straight, hand's not giving back that all time
sack record and and that far gave himself up. Yeah, yeah,
I gotta get it. But you know, I mean, you know,
obviously they're hard to come about, but you know, I'm
just uh, I'm ready to get to work this weekend,
you know, uh, create some more destructive disruption and you know,

(43:32):
we got the Chiefs coming in, so you know what,
I'm looking forward to it. Okay, so you've obviously begun
the process of preparing for the Chiefs. What's what's what's
it like with this dude, a guy who you guys
saw in the Planoff you guys did a good job
against in the Plaffs New England. What what's what's that?
What's that preparation life? Oh yeah, you definitely gotta know
your opponent as far as you know, and uh respect him,

(43:56):
so as far as you know how well a job
he's done this year, the past few years. Obviously you know,
him being a great athlete, him having a great scheme,
a great system for him to be very successful. And
you know, you look around, you know, you go down
the depth chart, not even the depth chart, just the
personnel chart as far as you know, the tight end room,

(44:19):
the skill position, the guys in the robber receiver cord,
the offensive line of running backs. You know, you've got
you know, great guys that just about every position. So um,
you know it's gonna be a task for us to
kind of you know, have a great preparation is weak
and you know, so we're just gonna prepare well and
get to know our opponent, you know, watch a lot

(44:41):
of film and you know, kinda go out there and
try to execuse his best sports How hard is it
to talk college football after your hogs lost at home?
The Senter man, Yeah, they it's been. It's been a
pretty rough a few years for me, you know, as
far as college standpoint, you know, don't really I don't
really have a lot of bragging rights. I don't really

(45:03):
have a lot to say, you know, but I feel
as though, you know, it's a it's a new head coach,
so he kind of, you know, he give him a
little time. I feel as though, you know, he get
a great group of guys in their couple groups and
kind of you know, turning the thing around. So you know,
I'm still optimistic about it, but uh yeah, it haven't

(45:25):
been It hasn't been really easy. It's it's it's not great.
It's not great. What what what is that like? Look,
I've experienced it having played Oakland State. Obviously different coaching staff,
different kind of same basketball family, but what very different
coaching staff like your your two staffs removed from Petrino, right,
So um what what what is what is that connection like?

(45:46):
Is it still there? Yeah? I mean Arkansas it does
a great job as far as one players just you know,
reaching out, having guys come back and um, you know,
still having their relationship. So you know, I think I
went to a game last year and uh, you know,
coach kind of reached out to me. I'm about wee kinna,

(46:07):
you know, wanted me to come to the game. So
I think that connections to you know, we're formal players
and things like that. But yeah, so and I know
a few, um, not a few players. I don't think
I played with any players there yet, But I mean
but the coaches. I know a few coaches that you

(46:30):
know that I've ran into in the past, So I
can't see you this week, then a bye week, so
we'll see if you go on the bye week, then
Green Bay, then Minnesota. Like look, you guys have been
impressive thus part kind of under the radar at two
oh and one. How important is this three game stretch?
It's very important. I think every every game is important,

(46:51):
you know, as far as you know for us, as
far as you know what we want to be, we
want to do. But you know we're gonna in one
game at a time. You know. Obviously you got to
you know, the Chiefs coming in and town and then
we got to buy so get a little breaking. Then
you know we gotta strap back up with you know
to uh two divisional games. So um, you know it's

(47:16):
very important you know for us to you know, be
we want to beat and you know we're going to
try to. Thank you, take it one game at a time,
and you know, take advantage of it as best as possible.
The days of pummeling the Bills, the Dolphins and the
Jets are gone. You've got a real division in your hand. Hey,
best of luck, of huge game, huge game this weekend.

(47:37):
Thanks for our guesting, all right, thank you, thanks for
having that's Trey Flowers, of course, signed a big deal
in the off season five years ninety million, playing good
football and the Lions one of those least discussed undefeated
teams in the National Football League. Um, here's a question,
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(48:01):
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Doug Gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. I talked
a lot about the Browns yesterday and about how they
have taken so many different chances here. One thing I

(49:28):
might not have given enough credit to is how difficult
it is to be both the head coach and a
play caller. Is I to be a rookie head coach
and a play caller? Wait to be a rookie head
coach with the Browns and all the other stuff, and
a play caller who hasn't called plays for entire season yet.

(49:50):
Here's Freddie Kitchens when asked about his ability to call
plays after a slow start. You can wrote that if
you want to. But that's not even feasible, that's not
even that's not being said. Or no, it's not not
gonna happen. So can you guys collaborate on anything or
is there or is it just it has to be,
it has to be. It's me, it's my fault. It's

(50:11):
a no, it's me. Todd does a great job. Todd
does a great job during the course of the week
of making sure we stay on task, we stay organized,
and all that kind of stuff. But when things mess up,
it's gonna be me. Yeah, there's a certain amount of accountability,
which you like. But there's also a certain amount of

(50:32):
selfishness there with with you know what I mean with
with with Freddie Kitchens. And I know, I'll fix it.
It's my fault. I'll fix it, like shouldn't be it's
my fault, will fix it. We'll consider everything, but just
the the and And Todd Monkin knows this because he
worked with my gundee at Oklahoma State US one of

(50:52):
the game. I think he was the guy who's brought
in because Gundy was calm plays as a head coach
and found it to be overwhelming, not to be too much.
Other things get missed, right If Todd's doing that, If
Todd's handling during the week and you're only calling the
plays on Sunday, well, maybe that's why it doesn't appear

(51:17):
to be a rhythm there. Maybe that's why. Um we
talked yesterday about all of the things that Cleveland has
taken chances on, you know, getting star position players instead
of Lyneman Baker Mayfield just a second year starter, hiring
his buddy who hadn't called plays for all, saying for

(51:39):
a year to be a head coach, and also now
putting him as the play caller. If if I were advising,
if I were advising, ifire advised in Cleveland Brown's, I
would say, hey, this is an all hands on deck.
It doesn't mean that he has to hand over play
calling duties. It's just a way that it sounds. That's

(52:04):
just the way that sounds. You're in crisis mode right now,
and it may not feel like it. Because Pittsburgh's oh
and three and Cincinnati's oh and three, and you're looking
around your division and he're like, hey, our division stinks,
will be fine, but if we're real about it, they're
owing two at home. You're supposed to win your home games.

(52:25):
You're one win is over the New York Jets, who stink.
You go to Baltimore, you go to San fran Seattle,
then to New England before you go to Denver. And
I don't think Denver is very good. But Denver, when
you've played all those other teams and you're playing an altitude,
it's a hard game. I think. In a in an
effort to sound like he's fully accountable, he actually sounds

(52:48):
quite selfish. Yes, right, music, But wouldn't that be like
the most Browns thing ever to just completely and wildly
overreact to something like that. There was so much hope
and optimism entering this season, and it finally seems like, hey,
you know the infamous jersey with all the different quarterback

(53:10):
names on it, Like we finally have our quarterback. We
have Baker Mayfield, we have this head coach who gets
along with Baker Mayfield. And then after a slow start
to the season, you're all of a sudden going to
now take away his play calling, Like shouldn't the Browns
finally be in a position where they're like, we're taking
the long play, like we get unless it gets And
I do think Freddie Kitchens will be a better play

(53:31):
caller as time, you would think as time goes on.
On the other hand, I don't think it's crazy to
at least open yourself up to the possibility that that
could be an answer. That was a guy who's like,
you can write it if you want, but it ain't changing.
Take a listen one more one more time. Does this
sound like a guy who is open minded? You can

(53:52):
wrote that if you want to, But that's not even feasible,
that's not even that's not being considered. No, it's not
not gonna happen. So can you guys collaborate on anything
or is there or is it just it has to
be it has to be it's me, it's my fault.
It's a no, it's me. Todd does a great job.

(54:13):
Todd does a great job during the course of the
week of making sure we stay on task, we stay
organized and all that kind of stuff. But when things
mess up, it's gonna be me. M. That doesn't sound
like a guy who's like, man, let's just let's work
together to figure this thing out. That sounds actually like
the opposite of a guy who says, let's work together

(54:35):
to figure this thing out. Right. That sounds like a
guy who runs a drawing fourth to nine and says,
you know, if we picked up this one block, like now,
it's bad call picked up this one block. Forget what
he says publicly about the draw Behind the scenes, he's
probably saying, like it was a good call. It's just
we're unlucky. It also feels like what the Browns did

(54:59):
was what most teams do, which is copycat, because it
was you had Kyle Shanahan get the job with the
forty Niners and he was the play caller. Then you
had Sean McVeigh get the job with the Rams and
he was the play caller. And Matt Naggy wasn't wasn't
the play caller in San Francisco. No, No, he was
a play caller in Atlanta, right right, I know, But

(55:21):
with the same when he got the job with the
forty niners. He wasn't a play caller in San Francisco, no,
I know, But they gave him the job, and so
it was like first time head coach gets to call
the plays. Sean McVeigh, first time head coach, But Sean
McVeigh had previously called plays, had previously called plays, right,
But that's what the Wet's where I think the Browns

(55:42):
went wrong was they looked at all these other teams
and saw a trend, if you will, and did the
whole copycat thing. Was, Hey, we'll look at all these
other coaches and teams that it seemingly worked out for,
why wouldn't it work out for us? Well, look, I
don't think it's an easy proposition to find a coach
for the Browns. And here's a couple of reasons why. One,
they've had such incredible turnover. A lot of those guys

(56:03):
are like, look, I'd like to coach in the NFL
and be Lincoln Riley, But do I want to subject
myself to an organization where I'm out after a year
like that? That don't I don't work that way. Secondly,
you know, look, Baker Mayfield was the most powerful guy
in that building. And it's not just that these swore
by Freddie Kitchens, but like, when you're the head coach,
you want to be the most powerful guy in the building.

(56:24):
You don't need to opene to a quarterback. And so
there's you know, there's some ego there that I think,
I think absolutely hurt them. Hurt them. Um uh so
I don't, I do I think they are more qualified.
I don't even I don't even necessarily know that. It's
about the head coach as much as the structure of

(56:47):
the entire thing seems to be a little bit wacky.
And I thought the Odell Beckham Junior thing wasn't needed.
But it's there's also a lack of creativity there. Like
you hear from a lot of people. They're fans like
why don't they just throw it tota back and jeers
like he's got bracket coverage everywhere he goes. He's got
a guy underneath and a guy over the top. It's
smart to not throw it to him. On the other hand,
knowing that there's two guys chasing him around, you can

(57:09):
move him all over the formation and create openings for others.
But they've chosen not to do that. Um. And it
looks like a guy who is calling plays for the
first time guys that there is a weapon in experience
and in that experience you can draw on the Oh, hey,
we had this problem back when I was in so

(57:30):
and so, and this is what we did to fix it,
which is why she called Todd Munkin, who has called
plays before, who has been a head coach before, Stuck
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Keith for Sutherland joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show

(57:53):
and Mr President And I'm sorry, I'm just I'm I'm
getting into my the Jack Bauer mode. I want to
ask you about your your new album, get to talking
about sports and some other stuff. Um, this is a
live recording right live in Berlin. Yes it is. And
first off, hey and thank you so much for taking
the time. Um, we're releasing UH. I released an album

(58:14):
about four months ago, and this is kind of a
deluxe edition. So with this record, you get the original
original UH studio recording record, but there's also a live
performance record that has a couple of tracks that aren't
on either album of mine. UH, and you get a
sense of a live show that we look proud of.
And so that's that's what's coming out this Friday. Um, so, yeah,

(58:37):
it's called Reckless and Me out Friday September seven. You
mentioned record Is there actually a record that has been produced? Like,
is there is there vinyl that I can pick this
up on? Yes? There is. Now do you have a
do you have a record player house? Do? What? What?
What kind? What's it like? Give me the setup? Um,

(59:00):
it's a techniques term table and Macintosh amplifier. And I'm
forgetting the name of the speakers right now because that's
what I don't really Okay, so no, no, so so,
so give me the last time you used it was
when when I'm home. I use it every day. Uh,
it's one of my favorite, uh ways of listening to music.

(59:26):
I find that if I put on a CD or
or if I'm listening through uh my iPod. Uh, it's
kind of it's a mix of music. There's something very
special for me about going through the collection of albums
that I have, which is quite extensive, and and finding
the title that I want and taking it out and
putting the record on and looking at the artwork that

(59:48):
that that album came with at the time, and uh,
it's it's it's kind of appointment music listening as opposed
to kind of having it in the background. So I've
been listening to music that way my whole life. Um,
and very happy that vinyl is making a comeback and

(01:00:08):
and that some of the equipment out there right now
for vinyl listeners is so extraordinarily good. It's interesting because, um,
I'm about ten years younger than you, but I I was,
you know. I remember we moved to California and eighty one,
and my dad had extension extensive like LP. He was
a big kind of R and B guy, uh, and
he had comedy albums as well, which he passed away.

(01:00:30):
We still have them. But I remember you used to
go used to go to the record store to get
a get a record, and then you would and then
there were the singles out there, like I remember a
Quiet Riot, Come On Feel the Noise was like the
first single we got. We moved to California all you know,
dance around to it, and then we went, you know,
to We never did the eight tracks thing. We went
to cassette tapes, right and then there was the dual

(01:00:51):
cassettes where you could dub one onto the other like
did you did you did you do all these things?
Did you or did you skip over all of that. No,
I did not hip over all of that. Just to
amplify the ten years difference between us, the first forty
fives I got were Bob Seger, Hollywood Nights, and Main Street. Um,
I remember those. I just I wore those out. My

(01:01:13):
dad uh did do the whole eight track thing. Uh
that was a kind of funny, funny stage. Just the
music he was listening to at that time was everything
from Bob Dylan to Lynn the Rod stat And I
remember those records really really well. The cassettes. I did
not make a lot of mixed tapes. Uh, So I

(01:01:34):
was a single debt cassette guy, and then CDs with
everybody else. But always kept my vinyl collection. My brother
had an even larger one than I did. Um. But
there was kind of pride and both of us had
in the collections that we managed to maintain what we
thought were the most important records to have. Again, there's
something about having to go through all the records to

(01:01:57):
find the exact one you want for that moment um.
And then it's also there's something so organic. It's like
going to see a movie from the seventies. In a
movie theater and you get to see the kind of
the scratches in the light on the negative and it
informs the experience for me. And so yeah, so I'm

(01:02:18):
with you in the Love of Vinyl. Keep your settling
our guest in the Doug Gottlieb Show. The new album
is a Reckless in Me and Record Live in Berlin.
Of course you also get the it's two albums. It's
to live recording album and there's a studio recorded album. Okay,
so I was gonna get Yeah, there's there's you get
both two for the two for the price two for
the price of one, two for two for one. Um

(01:02:39):
I read. I remember, like this is going back almost
ten years ago. You were on I think it was
Letterman and you wore address on Letterman because you bet
on the Patriots and lost. Is it was I bet
against the Patriots and lost? Yeah, well you bet my friend.
My friend went to Brown University, so he was a
Patriots fan. And it wasn't that I Wasn't. I just

(01:03:00):
the other bet for uh for the challenge and UH
because I'm a huge Tom Brady fan. I met him
a couple of times, and I just the fact that
he's remained as competitive as he's been uh for the
last fifteen years. I think it's just so remarkable. Um.
But anyways, I bet against bet against New England and

(01:03:22):
uh and and the price of that bet was for
me to wear address on Letterman, which I actually thought
was funny until I actually had to go do it.
And the ten seconds before I had to walk out,
the friends who had made the bet with walked away,
and so I wasn't I didn't have my buddy anymore
to laugh about the joke. I was stuck by myself,
and I thought, oh my god, I'm standing here and

(01:03:42):
address him about walk out on national television. This is
a terrible mistake. And I do remember walking out towards
Letterman and that feeling like the longest walk of my life.
It was like his death kept moving farther and farther
away from me. Uh And but he was so gracious
and fun me about it. Uh And by that I
mean Mr Letterman. Um but he kind of saved my

(01:04:06):
but that night. But yeah, it's it's fasting ivious. Your
dad um uh an incredibly well regarded actor, as are you,
like your your entire family so so well thought of.
Is there anyone you said, you said, Mr Letterman, you know,
out a term of respect. Is there anyone out there
who you haven't met who you do want to meet?

(01:04:27):
And you never really kind of called in that favorite
to you know, I'd really kind of like to have
a coffee with this guy. Um, not so much coffee,
but there's there's certain people that I've had incredible respect
for that Gene Hackman is an actor that I would
have loved who have had the opportunity to work with
or even have a conversation with about some of the
work he like, I would have loved to have interviewed him.

(01:04:50):
Favorite favorite Hackman movie, Favorite Hackman movie, off the top
of your head, Off the top of my head. I mean,
I don't want to be trying to say the French
connection because he's made so many. Hoosiers was favorite movie
of mine and and one of my all time favorite
sports films. Uh. You know, talking about a coach that
was basically at the on the skids of his career

(01:05:10):
because of some mistakes personal mistakes that he had made,
uh with his style of coaching and being aggressive with
his players, and the comeback story of not only him,
but this team that had never been expected to do anything.
Uh in Basketball in Indiana where that was the holy Grail.
You know, it's a perfect story based on a true

(01:05:33):
story and one of my favorite films. And his performance
is so nuanced in that role. That's why i've i've
you know, just always loved watching him, even in a
movie that it didn't like, like Invasion of the Killer Beat.
He's good in it. Everybody else is not, but he
still manages to rise above what was maybe not the
best material uh, he had to offer, had to work with. Yeah,

(01:05:57):
he's Crimson tied, he thought. He and uh, he and
Denzel obviously were fantastic. Of off top of my head,
they were extraordinary and that it's hard to pick a film.
I mean, he was. He was so good in The
French Connection. He was he was one of the few
actors that made a sequel to a classic movie. The
French French Connection too is just as good as the

(01:06:18):
first one. When you were when when you were making
twenty four, did you know, like when did you know?
Because it it became must watch television. Everyone I know
has seen twenty four, Literally everyone I know has seen
it became a thing. When did you know? We we
we shot. We shot almost ten episodes before the terrible

(01:06:42):
events of nine eleven. Uh, and at that point we
just thought the show, out of respect, we would just
not show that, we would not air it, and we
would just be done. Uh. People had a very different
reaction to that. Somehow they felt connected to the storyline

(01:07:02):
because of what they were personally going through as a
result at nine eleven. Um, I would say it was
it was still a couple of months after the show
came out that you've got a sense that you might
have caught, you know, a little lightning in a bottle
or something. Uh. And I think as a whole cast
and crew we kind of felt that together. It was

(01:07:23):
around the airing of the fourth and fifth episode that
it was gaining a lot of momentum. You know, to
start a new show in the United States is a
very difficult thing because people are very attached to what
they already watched, So getting them to leave one show
behind to start watching another. American audiences are incredibly loyal,
so that's very hard to do. But I think about

(01:07:46):
five or six episodes into the season started to feel
this kind of shifts start to happen. And and at
this point in my career, I had had ups and
downs and so uh, unlike when I started did Uh,
I was really grateful to be doing something that people
were enjoying and that they were watching. Uh So you

(01:08:08):
know we did that show for ten years. Uh. It
was for me as an actor. It was the time
of my life. This album, as you pointed out, there's
two albums to it, right, the live and the student
recordings Reckless in Me, which of course drops this Friday.
One album is live in Berlin. I know you're on
the Today Show. What's the energy like? What's the challenge

(01:08:29):
like a performing live as opposed to as opposed to
you know when you've on the big screen of the
small screen been an actor, and there are different challenges,
but but live is live is a completely different animal
of its own. What's that like for you? Yes? It is, Well,
there's two challenges, um, you know explaining this is where
I was when I wrote the song, and this is

(01:08:51):
a very personal song about something that happened to me.
And normally I would be very private about that kind
of stuff in my life. But opening up to five
strangers about some very intimate personal things in my life,
that's that was a challenge. Um. The experience that I've

(01:09:12):
had after playing some five shows has been so moving.
I never expected this opportunity where an audience and myself
and this band could feel that kind of connected. So
that's been a blessing. But the rules are very different.
If I'm doing a play or if you're watching a
film in a theater, you know you're expected to kind

(01:09:35):
of hold your applause till the end of the show
and please don't talk. And whereas with a kind of
rock and roll show, we want you on your feet,
we want you moving, we want you screaming. So the
rules are very different, and that's a very exciting thing
to try and get an audience to do. It's an
amazing album. Pick it up Reckless in Me Friday, September.

(01:09:57):
Of course you get two albums for the price of one,
and I get a chance to have this kind of
conversation ringing in your head key for It's it's an
honor to catch up with you. I really appreciate you
joining us, and best of luck on the sales of
this album. Hey brother, thank you very much, and and
just thanks so much for having me. It's great to
talk to you again. And we'll talk to you. Certain
pleasure is all my key for Sutherland joining us. Rama.

(01:10:18):
Has you big a vinyl guy? Do you have any
vinyl records you listen to? I have lots of vinyl.
I was quite a conversation. They're very interesting to me.
The final side of things. It just took a shot.
I was like, hey, you know, every everybody says this
is a record, but actually this is, in fact a record.
Favorite vinyl album is what? Oh geezh. I have the
Wall from Pink Floyd, which is interesting for my daughter.

(01:10:40):
Is my daughter's thirteen. They're playing that for their garage band.
Cons Really we don't need no. Yes, Lucas loves that
song because it's all about well he thinks it's about
getting out of school and yes, sticking to the Queen
thought contro. You know it's actually about dropping acid massive amount.
I don't try of that patch the amounts of drugs. No,

(01:11:01):
I I kind of. I said, there's a there's a
movie there. There is the movie good if you drop acid,
it's probably amazing. Is it time for the Cowboys to
sign Dak Prescott to new contract? One Hall of Famer thing?
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(01:11:22):
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One and Fox Sports Tradio. We call it and Now.
Chris Carter from First Things, First Hall of Fame Wide
Receiver had this to say about paying Dak Prescott the
biggest obstacle that no one's talking about. What about this

(01:11:43):
kid performing under pressure with that big contract land on
the table and three times he risked his pro career
going out there jeopardizing what a hundred million guaranteed nick
If not more so for me, I see this gradual
progression of a guy who's getting better at his job
and people want to discredit it, and there's a lot

(01:12:04):
of things going on around him behind the scenes that
lets you know the type of leader he is, the
way he can put things in um in certain compartments
and be able to go out there on the field
and play with everyone can't do that, So for me,
I'm very impressed with Dak Prescott. I thought he would
grow as a quarterback. He's even grown more than I
had anticipate. Interesting. Um, I think he has grown. I

(01:12:29):
think he has improved. I think a reasonable person would say,
based upon his first three weeks in total, he's performed
like an elite quarterback. I also think a reasonable person
would say they've played against three the worst teams in
the NFL, and against the worst team in the NFL,
the Dolphins, who had a couple of weeks of tape.
He wasn't great and some of the old flaws came
up when he reloads, when he goes through his progressions,

(01:12:49):
He's not crazy accurate. And they didn't just blow the
doors off off the Dolphins. They didn't look like the
team that could win. And it's got to be hard
when everybody tells you the Dolphins stink to go in
there and make the Dolphins stink, And ultimately they did.
But um, why why would you negotiate from a position
of weakness when you're the Cowboys? Like, what is the

(01:13:11):
what is the point of that? You just have a
little patience and you know you don't want to you
don't mind spending a bunch of money. You just don't
want to overspend on them. And let's get a sense here.
You're going to New Orleans. Then you've got Green Bay
at home, a team you lost to obviously in the
playoffs a couple years ago. Then you go to the
Jets Eagles at home. These aren't crazy difficult games, but there,
I mean, you're talking about the Giants, the Redskins, and

(01:13:35):
the Dolphins. What's combined one game one? The Redskins won
a game this year, so I mean you're looking at
a combined like one and eight. One at eight. You're
not wrong that you're putting your career on the line
by going out. Yeah whatever, the key water back at
the Dallas Cowboys. They got you on the cheap. You

(01:13:58):
make a much bunch of money off the football field.
Worst case scenariore gonna get franchise tag to make you
million dollars next year, next two years. Best case stereo,
it's thirty million dollars. Let's see what you do. It
gets better teams, and even then their schedule is not great.
And by the way, remember that contract that they had
to give it to Zeke Elliott. Tony Pollard had a

(01:14:18):
hundred yards rushing. He's been good too. Doesn't mean that
they didn't need Zeke. But do they need to make
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Slash cash back Match quarterback guru Jordan Palmer is going
to join us upcoming next Next Hour Music. Give you
what ever? Have you ever you're like the age You've
never had a turntable? Have you? No? Huh I can't

(01:15:01):
say that. Uh, that's ever been something that I've desired
in mind? Did you even have the dual cassette tapes?
Are you? Are you? Oh? You know what? No? So
you were born into a world that had CDs? Yeah,
I mean like when I was like young, young, young,
there was like cassette tapes and cars and stuff, but
for the most part, when it came to listening to music,

(01:15:24):
it was all CDs. That's Ryan music. He's fifteen, We're
all we're still reacting to keep for Sutherland who joined
the show, and I just randomly asked him about, hey,
you're your new record? Is it's not really a record?
He's like, no, no no, no, it's a record. And I
actually listened to records and told us about it's pretty cool.
And then Ramos started, you know, light up a cigarette
and listened to LPs in the studio. It didn't smell

(01:15:45):
like a cigarette. It did not smell like what It's
a wacky tobacco. That's what it is. That's what it is.
Quarterback guru Jordan Palmer joins the show. Up coming next
is Mitch Rabinski good enough? I'll ask him? Next to
the dug out the show? What up Doug Leave Show?
Fox Sports Radio? Man, I want to catch up a
buddy of mine. This is this is actually real talk here.

(01:16:08):
So I got a buddy works at a different company
and I think they were in Nashville a couple weeks ago.
I get a text He's like, man, you should have
Jordan Palmer on your radio show. He's awesome. It was like,
Jordan Palmer comes on my radio show. Already knew he's awesome.
He works down the street from me. He doesn't invite
me to their pickup game, but he is in fact awesome.
So I happened to send Cindy katz are book or

(01:16:31):
a text like we have Jordan palmern Yeah, you know
NFL and college FOOTBA analysts for Fox Sports and Stadium
and he's also quarterback guru, a trainer for some of
the elites at the high school, the college and pro level.
Jordan Bomber joins us in the Doug got Leave show
on Fox Sports Radio. Uh help me out with Mitch
Mitchell Drabinsky. Okay, I know him great, dude. I understand

(01:16:53):
that the Bears a lot of his personality was a
big reason that they draft him, that they liked him,
and that he hadn't played a lot of college foot ball. Um,
I think it'd be safe to say that, you know,
whether it's Deshaun Watson or Pat Mahomes, he's not the
best quarterback of that class, even though he was the
second pick in that in that draft. My big question
is forget all that, is he good enough for them

(01:17:14):
to win big with Jordan's That was too long question,
just switched over to me. I just got you sorry
about that. Um, Okay, George Mitch Robinski. He's He's not
Pat Mahomes, probably not Deshaun Watson. But is he good
enough for what the Bears need? You know, I think

(01:17:37):
what they need and that there's there's costs and then
there's opportunity costs like in business, and um, I think
he's good enough to do what they need. And if
if you think what they need is build an amazing
defense and have a guy who can you know, problem
solve and gets you all the way to the end
of the you know, get you all the way the
Super Bowl, but then you but you have to look
at opportunity costs and who they passed on that here,

(01:18:00):
um and Mahomes is changing the way that the NFL
has played offensively. UM and Deshaun sure looks like a
guy who uh And I've worked with Deshawn's in high school,
so I've I've been a believer this for a long time.
But like, if you just get him an opportunity to
win a championship, he probably will. Um. I never I
never got exposed to any of that about Mitch. You know,

(01:18:21):
I never heard that he won championships when he was little,
or that he completely turned around anything, or he was
game changing. So I think he can do the things
with Maggie and the defense and some of the skill positions.
But it's just gonna be hard to ever look at
it without an asterisk when you look at these other
two dudes. So they picked way ahead of Yeah, Yeah,
I know it's it's a it's a hard burden to carry,

(01:18:42):
but he is a good enough dude maybe to carry it. All. Right,
let's let's let's talk Pat Mahomes. You said he's how
is he changing the NFL? Well, I just think, um,
he has he has an incredible arm, and I've spent
a lot of time with Pat. He's got incredible arm,
but he's not the first incredible arm right, and he's
got a great play caller and Andy Reid, but he's
not Andy Reid's first quarterback that he's called players for.

(01:19:05):
So the way that they're changing the game is certain
areas on the field. He's taking the mindset that he
had in college and that he was learned in running
that are aid offense of keeping it simple, start your
eyes with one guy, pure progression on a lot of
the stuff and everything is getting it out really really quickly,

(01:19:25):
almost before the defense has decided that defenders decided how
to cover that guy. Okay, and there's a million routes
where I could use as an example, you know, swinger
out by running back out of the backfield. Typically that
ball is caught one yard in front of the line
of scrimmage. Well, they'll throw it on his third step
as he's not he's not even like getting a shoulder square.
They're so they're they're they're taking that kind of philosophy

(01:19:48):
from air raid. But he does have a strong enough arm,
and they do have so much juice at white out
where that's how they're throwing seems that's how they're throwing
over routes. They're also doing the traditional stuff. And uh,
you know, I was at the Cardinals Panthers game, and
before I was talking to Cliff Kingsbury and Pat's name
came up because I got introduced to Pat in college
from class. He sent him to me and and we

(01:20:11):
both agreed the fact that and he's just letting him
play and letting him not trying to overdo everything and
jack up his footwork and change everything, is allowing him
to play really fast and really free. You mentioned going
to see the Cardinals game, I want. I want to
get to Kyle Allen first. Pretty amazing day for a kid, right,
And here's a guy who highly touted from Scottsdale, goes

(01:20:34):
to A and M, beats out Kyler Murray and then
you know they started playing Kyler and eventually they both
left at the end of that year, goes to Houston
and then he's a backup and now he comes in
gets his first shot against Kyler um and and by
the way, against Cliff who was there calling plays back
when he was at A and M. And and not
only it's not just that he one, he lit the

(01:20:55):
place up, Like is this real? Is this sustainable? What
Kyle Allen was a little do well, let me just
jump in. So that's kind of the story. That's like
everyone's trying to dig and find out what this Kyle
Allen kids story is. Story. The reality is is he
was the top recruit in the country, shose Texas, A
and M over everywhere, and he started as a true

(01:21:17):
freshman and they were talking about building that thing around him.
But Kyler's dad, who play today and M and who's
a lot of people think is the greatest high school
football player to ever play in Texas which is actually
relevant to me when you look at the other names. Um,
you know that coach told Kyle don't worry about Murray,
We're not gonna play him. And he told Murray, don't
worry about Allen, You're gonna beat him out. Complete one thing,

(01:21:39):
do another. So like, how do you get too big
time in lead eleven quarterbacks to commit in back to
back years and leave within a week. It's what it
ain't that it ain't Kyle Fields not big enough, right?
If not, the uniforms aren't cool enough. There's some real
disastrous stuff going on there. And they cleaned the house out,
but it was completely told one thing and did another.

(01:22:00):
Then he goes to Houston because Tom Herman's there and says, hey, look,
I got multiple years left on my deal. You're gonna
come here. All I need is a quarterback. You know,
there's all these things in place where if you know,
we went and we moved to a different conference, all
that I'm not going anywhere. So he came and he
sat out that year because he had to transference it
out and obviously and then blocked him from going anywhere

(01:22:21):
in the SEC. And he goes there and Tom Herman leaves,
which I don't blame him at all. Texas called go
do your thing, so he got. He got twice, so
then major raftwide takes over and hey, where we're gonna
be our guy, And then they couldn't really so they
benched him for to Eric King. So like that, he
has been completely And what I've experienced because I've been

(01:22:42):
with in since high school is every time he had
an opportunity to do something awesome. He did high school,
the pench championship games, the lead eleven, his pro day
was I don't care if it was a pro day,
it was so it was the best he'd ever thrown,
which is like, that's hard to do, to have your
best day when you have to have it, that's a
that's a gil. And then last year getting in there.
So I think it's honestly tell you, because I was

(01:23:04):
talking about it for three weeks leading up to it,
I'm just not surprised at all what he did the
other day. And he's going to go into Houston and
he's gonna do something similar. Okay, the good is a
really good player, and he's playing for a great play caller,
and I think he sits North Turner as a play
caller better than Cam Newton. Never did will the will
the Kyler Murray air raid experiment work with Cliff You know,

(01:23:25):
I think the there's a lot of it. It was
my first time watching it in person. I think there's
a lot of it that's cool and going to catch
people off guard and getting the ball and people in
space and high completion percentage. But I still think you
gotta be able to line up, turn around in hand
the ball to the running back and run inside zone
for four yards. Now, what happens is with with all

(01:23:47):
these college offices because there's so many opportunities to create
big plays. You crew, you have a bunch of plays
that could be big plays, But when they don't, when
they're not eight sacks eight for a fast dude, that's crazy.
They didn't run the ball particularly well on first and
second down. They didn't really attempted him first and second down.
So when I look at this offense, I go, there's

(01:24:08):
a lot that I love, But I still still think
you gotta be able for the pace of the game,
your offensive line, the fourth quarter, weather, at the end
of the season. You gotta be able to turn around,
hand the ball to your back and I didn't really
see that happen once, and so I just think that
there's got it. There has to still be an evolution
of it to let it, to actually let it completely
fill in around the league. And their defense is so

(01:24:30):
weak and the way in which it plays out, you
have these short possessions and a bad defense back out
in the field that that's not good. Does can snowball
on you? You know, hurry Jordan Palmer joining us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, I don't know how many
people are paying attention, but Josh Allen is quietly putting
together a really really nice here. He's only been sacked

(01:24:51):
five times. It feels like they're used him more slightly
but smartly where you know, if he doesn't see what
he likes, they're running the football with him, you know,
playing true a eleven on eleven football. And I don't
know what it ends up being, but they start the
season three and oh, what are your thoughts on the
evolution of Josh Allen? Well, Josh is just a guy
who I think the biggest thing, and we spent a

(01:25:12):
lot of time in the last couple off seasons together,
is he's just a guy that's got to continue to
get good at figuring out ways to win. You know,
he doesn't come from a prolific high school program. He
played at Reading Junior College and then he played at
University of Wyoming, right, and so these weren't he did.
He's not leaving some program where they they have a
winning culture and then it's instilled in you. And so

(01:25:34):
you're taking you know, these kids to come from Bama
and these kids come from Clemson and they go to
the NFL. They understand how to win, they understand how
to prepare, they understand how to like being close games
and figure it out here as an underdog. And like
most of his games growing up and so with how
do you one was having a huge rocket arm and
being fast and making plays, but that's not how you

(01:25:54):
win in the league. And so I've been so impressed
with how he's just figured out ways to get it wins.
UM while he's like just improving himself. He's thrown with
anticipation better than he ever has before. UM, he's made
fewer unforced errors. Particularly we saw us a lot last
year and we lot in college, rolling full speed to
his right, throwing the ball down the field a couple

(01:26:16):
of big time plays happened there, but also most of
his turnovers happened there. Getn't really done that this year,
So he's really made strides individually, but through the lens
of figuring out ways to win an ugly seventeen sixteen
Week one game versus the Jets where they had turnovers, right,
He's just like figuring those things out. And I just
feel like the offense will really get clicking here um

(01:26:38):
and a lot of new pieces week six, seven, eight nine,
and I think towards the second half of this year,
they're gonna start beating teams that people don't think that
they should be. Sam Donald is a guy you've trained obviously.
He's a uh an Orange County kid, Um Saint clement
A kid, and everyone likes Sam Donald. Now he's he's
missed his last couple of weeks with mono um. But

(01:27:01):
but you know, before he got sick, I mean there's
there's thoughts, Okay, he can take the next step. Now
all of a a sudden, Daniel Jones is playing well, and
there's a question in New York whether Daniel Jones is
a better quarterback prospect than Sam Donald is. What are
your thoughts on Sam Donald as of this year. Well,
I mean this is just like, when's the last time
he talks about a quarterback missing games because a MoMA. Right,

(01:27:22):
this is like such uncharted territory and such a new thing. Um,
But I don't think it really changes anything. When he
comes back, it's going to change the schedule and the
or there you know there there win lost columns and
and how that projects out for the season. But they
got a bye week. If Sam is able to come
back off this bye week, they got Philly. Um. Sam's confident.

(01:27:44):
He took a huge stride this offseason in this offense
without him Gaze Week one was ugly, but it was
it was a weird game. I was there, um, but
when they played the Bills and blew US sixteen point lead.
But I I have a lot of confidence in Seam.
I feel like, uh, all of this chaos and all
the stuff happening right now, guys like Sam are the

(01:28:05):
ones that persevere through it because their life is so
simple and that and they're able to compartmentalize and focus
and I don't have a lot of distractions and people
pulling in different directions, so they're able to weather the Storm.
I would say the same thing about Daniel Jones. Very
simple guy. Um. And so with Sam, I I just
think he comes back from the first week or two.

(01:28:27):
He's getting his feedback Underneathing plays well, and then I
think we're gonna see the Sam we're all hoping to see,
which is um a little bit you know, the second year,
a little bit more mature, new offense, a couple of
new weapons, and I think the middle part of this season,
the Jets are gonna get hot and they'll be fun
to talk about. And as far as Daniel Jones is concerned,
I've been high on Daniel Jones since I met him
to three off seasons ago. The dudes, he's a guy.

(01:28:50):
He's totally a real guy. Um. He's been developed for
five years. David cut Cliff is coach at Duke and
his private quarterback coach David Morris, does a great job
with guys. So he's been developed for five years, not
to mention time with the Mannings. All he needs now
is experience. This won't be too big for him. It's
not the bright lights are gonna be too bright for him.

(01:29:12):
And uh, you know, it's been one game, but I
think that he's going to be a big time NFL quarterback.
Is they're saving Josh Rosen by that? I mean, like, look,
he's been through I think three different coordinators at u
C l a um To last year in Arizona, new offense,
new system. He's under Darrest last year, awful offensive line

(01:29:34):
this year much the same. I thought there are moments,
especially early in that Cowboy game, where he looked good,
but he just you know, this is almost an untenable situation.
I just wonder if he can, ever he can come
out of it and ever live up to the massive hype.
I mean, I definitely think he can. I just don't
think this team, this period in time, with all that's

(01:29:56):
going on in Miami, is a good way to do
that at all. I'm just feel bad for the guy.
It's tough. You know. We used to think that a
first round pick only getting three or four years. It
was a short lease, dude. It was the tenth pick
in the draft and got traded a year later on
the day, like what. And I understand the circumstances and

(01:30:17):
all that, but I mean, you look at when my
brother came into the league. He was the number one
pick and they didn't play him to snap his whole
rookie year because they wanted him to sit and watch
and learn. Like that was the exact amount of time
that Rosen got. It's crazy. So he just had an
uphill battle. Man that was that was an unwinnable situation
in Arizona that he was in last year. Obviously, Miami's

(01:30:40):
I'm not saying Miami's a disaster because I do think
that that Chris Greer has a big picture plan here,
but playing quarterbacks for the dol Dolphins right now as
a disaster um and uh and particularly with what's at stake,
and so look, I think he needs to continue to
play and get better. And then I think he'd be
a guy who go and and even just back somebody

(01:31:00):
up for a year just to get a year off,
to just figure out how you're going to play in
this league all that stuff. But I would hate to
see him, you know, uh go to a different spot
or another bad situation year year three, because then they
started looking at this going, man, is this this thing
might be broken? Because he certainly has what it takes
to be a guy. Awesome stuff from Jordan Palmer check

(01:31:21):
him out. He's uh college foil List for Fox Sports
and the NFL for Stadium. He's also obviously a quarterback guru. Jordan,
great stuff, dude, thanks for joining us. Thank JP Jordan Palmer.
Coming up next. Last night, ugly loss for the Redskins.
Is it time for them to start? Dwayne Haskins by
now next. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern three pm Pacific.

(01:31:43):
Doug got Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know it's
it's fascinating to me. Um. Yeah, he has no about
the old kiss of death. Right, you've heard heard kiss
of death? He has nowhere. Kiss of death comes from anyone?
You want, you want take a shot, you want to
take a take a stab at it, anyone? Mueller, Mueller.

(01:32:05):
I'll go with the Black plague, Black, the Black plague.
How about how about you there? Dan By? Like a
Dracula sort of thing, maybe like somebody was kissed and
they died. Okay, I don't know, all right? What uh
let's see here? What's John Ramos? You know what, Doug?

(01:32:29):
I don't know. Really, I wouldn't make a logical I
guess wow, because it's it wouldn't be right together like
mine was vetted. Yeah, I actually thoroughly actually check them
at us last night. Listen, this is biblical. This is biblical.
Who turned on Jesus? Oh? Judas did? Yeh? Didn't he? He?

(01:32:53):
I'll take religious questions for okay, he kissed Jesus in
the garden of Uh? Was it? Guess? The main I
don't know who is Judas? Who is Judas? All right?
That's it's bet supposiedly formed in the form of question
answering the form of question who is Judas? So this

(01:33:17):
actually goes back to Biblical times. Starting case keenum to
start your season is the kiss of death for a
head coach. It's been proven Jeff Fisher had Jared Goff
hat case keeno. Who do you start? Right? What happened
to Jeff Fisher in that season out? Uh? Last year?

(01:33:38):
What's his name? He's the defensive coordiningy to Theirs and
the Cardinals. Now he was the head coach of the
Denver Broncos. Why am i? Oh man? What am i? Uh?
He was actually at a fans Joseph fanciose As the
head coach started case camu started last year? How do
you do? And you know now we have Jay Gruden,

(01:34:00):
who's in his six year very much in the hot seat,
and I don't think he necessarily wanted to, but Colte
McCoy got hurt. They drafted Dinge Haskins, who urban Meyer
said in ready to play, and it appears to be
kind of the kiss of death. This is Jake Grudwin
asked about their quarterback situation after the loss. The thing is,

(01:34:20):
we have to have some continuity. You know, I can't
be changing people every five minutes here. So I think
Case I gotta give Case another an apple opportunity play
with these new guys. And this is the first time
in this offense, really, you know, Donald Penn, Eric Flowers
our first time in this offense. You know, Terry Trey
Quinn only played two games last year. I made this
point before. We're not going to be perfect, but we
need to be better and I think we can get better. Otherwise,

(01:34:41):
if I didn't think we had a chance to get
better than I would make a change. But I feel
like Case has the tools to become a very efficient
quarterback in this offense and get us some victories here.
Um moving forward, Yeah, I mean he's just trying to
win a couple of games here, they're they're owing three.
I mean, listen, he mentioned Donald Penn who sucked last
year with the Raiders, and Eric Flowers, who was a
joke with the with the New York Giants, Like those

(01:35:02):
are too bad offensive lineman. Now they go to New
York take on the Giants, and I'm sure he's gonna
try and must win a game like we I just
gotta win a game to keep my job, keep my
head above water. And the the Haskins thing, I'm guessing
there trying to get to the bye week. Do you
would you start him against the Dolphins. Yes, but you
don't want to star Hi against the Niners, the Vikings,

(01:35:23):
probably not, the Bills on the road. Just not ready,
just not ready when you have And remember Dwayne Haskins
was a slow footed quarterback with a great arm at
Ohio State. You don't want a slow footed quarterback behind
a bad offensive line early in his career before he
knows what he's looking at. And if you you listen

(01:35:44):
to listen to Jake Gruden one more time, it did
look like it sounds like he was trying to throw
out a number of games more that he wanted to
try case Keenum, right, he kind of caught himself. Take
a listen. The most important thing is we have to
have some continuity. You know, I can't be changing people
every five minutes here. So I think Case, I gotta
gift Case another an apple opportunity. There was another another one.

(01:36:05):
How many games first time in his first time his offense?
How many games? I gotta give him another couple of
starts here Giants and Alton, we gotta win a couple
of games. He also and this is like, what are
you doing? He's also like, the season is not lost. Okay,
that means if they start Dwayne Haskins, the season is
officially lost. As dead man walking conversation, right there, there's

(01:36:28):
a coach wh's gonna gonna lose his gig. I just
I think he's going to forever be that guy who
was drafted ahead of Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. And
that's fair to criticize the team and their front office
for their decisions, but I don't know if that's the
smart way to look at it. He's twenty five and

(01:36:51):
passing yards second to last, and past attempts a yard
for attempt, only averaging a hundred ninety three yards passing
per game in But it's important to remember that the
Bears only made the playoffs a third of the time
since they won Super Bowl, actually less than a third
of the time. Eleven times in thirty five years, eleven

(01:37:12):
times in the including last year. So before Trabinsky, you're
talking about ten times in thirty four years. And whether
you like him or dislike him, what do you think
he's great or not? The team is not built around him. Yes,
they could have had Pat Mahomes. Yes they could have
had Deshaun Watson, and they might have been They would
likely be in a better place at the quarterback position.

(01:37:35):
But they built this thing around defense and ball control
and and betting on the upside of Trabinsky. And though
his skill may not be able to win them a
Super Bowl, his personality may persevere through tough times. He's
a great dude. Never likes him. I remember they were
coming off of Jay Cutler, who everybody hated. I don't

(01:37:58):
think that Mitch Robinsky is good enough to carry a
team to a Super Bowl. I know, um, but I
also like it's not like he's got Ezekei Elliott as
a running back. It's not like he's got a great office,
stellar offensive line. It's not he's got great wife. He's
not playing with the Dallas Cowboys like dak is and

(01:38:20):
for what they need. It's fine. Rex Grossman was fine, right,
wasn't he? That will limit you. That will limit you
in terms of upside, but sometimes getting to the playoffs.
Sometimes consistency of voice and maybe cost certainty. Like you know,
when he gets his fifth year option, what do you're
not gonna give him thirty five million dollars a year?

(01:38:41):
What if you tell him, hey, dude, we'll give you fifteen,
we'll give you twenty, and we'll get you better players
around you. I mean, we have we have Trent Dilfer
on the show. Who what we all talked about him
being a game manager when he was in Baltimore that
won them a super Bowl. Joe Flackle won a Super

(01:39:02):
Bowl in Baltimore. That did happen, right, Even Peyton Manning,
Like we forget when Peyton Manning won his second Super
Bowl nine touchdowns, seventeen receptions, did nothing in the Super Bowl.
Nothing nothing. Defense and special teams and running game that's it.
And the running game wasn't very good and By the way,

(01:39:22):
the Carolina Panthers were there, and I know Kim it
was the MVP that year. But the truth is that
team was awesome because they ran the football and they
had a great defense, and they had a soft schedule.
So I don't think Mitch Robinski is great, but is
he good enough? Here's Matt Naggy. Uh, just going back
to their season opening loss to the Packers. Take a listen,

(01:39:44):
just a little combination of everything. You know, I think,
uh again, I give credit to to coach Patton on defense.
I said it to you guys last year. He's a
good defensive coordinator and he does a lot of good
things and they do some things personnel wise that they're
able to do. He's always done that, um and so.
But at the same time, you know, I just I
think that whether it was in the run game, I

(01:40:05):
know we had a bunch, we ended up throwing a
lot more than passing, and for whatever reason we did,
that's not what we want. It's not what we want,
that's not who we are, right, we don't want to
throw that much. And whether it's because of Trabinsky or
because of their defense, Like when you have that kind
of defense, don't do anything crazy. Mahomes is much better

(01:40:26):
than he is. But Mahomes has to score thirty a
game with his defense. You know, what is your job
require of you and can you in fact do it?
And in this particular case, his job is to simply
try and keep the offense on time, not turn the
football over and play to the strength of that defense. Alright,

(01:40:47):
Coming up next on the Dug out Lip Show. Um, wait,
wait till you here what Iowa wants to do with
the sy Hawk rivalry. Maybe doesn't want to do with
the sy Hawk rivalry all because of a couple of fans.
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Doug gott Leaves show Box Sports Radio. You know, I
do feel like and I could be wrong here. We
do a good job on the show of talking. Look.

(01:41:29):
We we try and play the hits and tell you
about the things that did matter, right, But I feel
like we talked about couple about a couple more teams
than other people talk about. You guys, ever, get that feeling. Yes, yeah,
I feel like we do. Do Can I ask you
question Dan? Yes? Okay. So for people who don't know
Dan Buyer Sunday show here on Fox Sports Radio, he's
also uh that he grew up in Wisconsin. An avid
Seahawks fan. I get that the Saints had a great

(01:41:53):
game plan. Just get it and get rid of it right,
one point at yard per throw? What the hell happened
with the Seahawks the well, two of us scores, so
one came out a punt return, one came on a
Chris Carson fumble. That was Carson fumbling. Problems are problem, yes,
and that's it is a a real, real issue. You
also have Alvin Camaro that that is an issue. But

(01:42:14):
I do think that they gifted the Saints. And it's
not to take anything away from them. The Saints made
the plays, but that was Those were two big issues.
You just you can't this is the thing. This is
and it's a it's a great point you bring up.
I know you watched the Wisconsin Michigan game, and I
get that Michigan doesn't look right. Yeah, it doesn't look right.

(01:42:34):
But I brought this up with Joel Klatt yesterday, which
is how different is that game if the first two
drives went differently from Michigan, Because because Michigan gives up
an opening opening drive score to Wisconsin, they get the
ball back and I think it was the first play
from scrimmage. First play from scrimmage goes sixty eight yards. Everything, oh,

(01:42:55):
Wisconsin just done. Like now, first play from shows in
sixty eight yards and they're right there in you know, uh,
in the red zone and because they're starting running back
was hobbled and barely played. You know, they end up
handing the ball off to you know, a converted um
like a guy who's playing defensive line. That's what actually

(01:43:16):
happened in the game. And in his first carry of
the year, he fumbled. And then you know, the second
drive they had a great catch that was overturned on
what I thought was a terrible call. But like, if
if that happens differently, like we're reasonable about it, and
they don't fumble on the first possession, it's very easily

(01:43:38):
a different game, especially when you're playing against a Wisconsin
team that tries to run it down your throat and
you know they're playing with the lead, etcetera, etcetera. Etcetera.
So you know, I, uh, I sit there and and
I can commiserate with you with Seattle and that Yes,
the Saints won the game, but a lot of it

(01:43:58):
was helped out by the Seahawk. And you just can't
give away twelve, seven, ten, fourteen points. You can't do it.
You know what's frustrating is that division right now you
have two teams sitting there at three and oh ahead
of them. And the Seahawks actually have been historically, and
I think I've mentioned it on the show slow starters
to the season. They usually don't get off to a
great start and they hit their stride maybe some more

(01:44:19):
mid season. Well, they start the season with two wins, righted,
they were close wins, but beat the Bengals, beat the Steelers,
and then you're like, all right, now you're at home.
They have Arizona and week four, you could have seen
a four and oh start for them, and it's not
the case. Not the case. Let's get to the press,
the press, all right, Dan hit me with the biggest

(01:44:39):
stories of the day. Let's start with the aftermath of
last night. More j Gruden, who said that he is
not going to make any changes to his coaching staff
during the season struggling. So if they wanted to make
any moves three weeks in the season, I don't know,
hit the bricks, pal and beat it because you are going, Yeah,

(01:45:01):
it feels like to me, it feels like everybody knows
that they're gonna have to play change quarterback. But I
just don't think he's ready. So I don't know. I
don't know. The minute, the minute that he fires a coach,
everybody goes that'll fix it, you know, like realistically, it's
not going to be the fix anyway. Panthers quarterback Cam

(01:45:23):
Newton dealing with a list Frank injury in his foot,
reported timetable without surgery four to eight weeks to recover
from that injury. Hm, well, the list Frank injury um
is one that can do when they have surgery end
your season, right, Yes, we can we at least offer
up the possibility that he's played his last game as

(01:45:44):
a Carolina Panther. Yeah. I think that's that's reasonable to
And and if if he gets benched, do you remember
what happened eighteen years ago in New England yesterday Drew
bled So yeah, do you matter the Moe Lewis was
the linebacker. Drew Bledsoe was running out of bounds, didn't

(01:46:05):
get that bounds of time, and mo Lewis knocked him
in the next week and Tom Brady came in and
save the day. Right, Think about Kyle Allen who also
he got I mean he had. Jordan Palmer pointed out
his well traveled college career. But like Drew bled like
like Tom Brady, highly touted. Tom Brady didn't take every snap?
Was it Drew Henson? That was the other quarterback in Michigan? Anyway?

(01:46:28):
I don't know why do we call it getting Wally pipped?
Because Wally Pip was the start before lou Garrey came in.
Louis Garrey, the Iron Horse, now the second longest sreak
in Major League Baseball? Why don't we call it getting
bled sewed? Could Kyle Allen bled so Cam Newton. I'll
give you my theory. We know what happened to Drew Bledsow.

(01:46:49):
We have no idea what happened to Wally Pipp. New
York Triants running back Sae Kwon Barkley would get a
second opinion as injured ankle after suffering a high ankle
sprame in their week three win against the buck Years.
No one gets a second opinion on good news, right?
That is true when you're clear to play no no
in the second opinion. University of Iowa President Bruce Harold
told the Daily Iowan that's the school newspaper at Iowa,

(01:47:11):
that he isn't sure if the Iowa Iowa State rivalry
in college football should go on. If they're banded, fans
can't be protected when visiting aims. I thought people in
Iowa were so nice that it made people in Nebraska uncomfortable.
Apparently Iowa State, Iowa A and M fans a little
too boisterous in their support of their cyclones. I think

(01:47:33):
the best part of this is the athletic departments going
back and forth, where now Iowa State A. D. Jamie
Pollard is saying we offered the Iowa band to take
a different exit outside of the stadium for their safety.
They chose to go to leave the stadium a different

(01:47:54):
routes where there were a bunch of people, and then
that's where some of the craziness ensued. But you have
both these sides going back and forth and who was
right and who was wrong. It's hey, that's a great rivalry.
It is a great rivalry, by the way. I think
it's in the state, a state constitution or something. They
all have to play each other in basketball and football,
so it's not going anywhere. It's just everybody's mad, right

(01:48:15):
and especially now you know kids. Now you say something
mean to them, you know, you're a booger reader and
they have to go to weeks and months of therapy.
U c F has agreed to a home and home
series with boise States. First game at Orlando in the
return affair and boise Is in three. Boisey not a state,

(01:48:36):
but is undefeated. Is undefeated this year. Whereas, of course
the Central Florida lost this weekend. Do people know that
you c F lost this weekend to pitt on a
on a Philly special play? Right, Yes, took him three
minutes to figure it out. That's Philly special. Of course
it is Brooklyn, that's GM. Shawn Marks says the team

(01:48:58):
expects forward Kevin Durant to miss the entire season as
he recovers from a torn achilles standon. Yeah, there there
was some talk that he could probably come back and
play at the end of the year, but the idea
is they're gonna be a playoff team. You don't want
him to go from zero to a hundred like that. Um,
I think it's probably the smart, prudent thing to do,
But I just I don't know why you make a
determination now on something seven months from now. That's not

(01:49:20):
you don't want You don't any pressure on KD. But like, look,
we'll just we'll evaluate it at that time. It's good
to know that the offseason and basketball is over with.
Geez I yawned at it was over. The New York
Times says the Lakers are concerned that forward Kyle Kuzmo
will makes the start of training camp with an injured

(01:49:40):
ankle already. Yeah, and he's, uh, it is west Side
for life. He is. He's he signed a new deal
with Puma today, right like that. Him and DeAndre um
uh eighton are the faces of Puma Basketball. Finally, Doug
agents cop Boras says Major League Baseball is not concerned

(01:50:02):
enough for players safety after his client cups their basement.
Chris Bryan suffered a sprained ankle when he slipped on
a wet base solso happened to Bryce Harper, another Boris client. Yeah,
I mean they get fully guaranteed contracts and I mean
a wet Why was the base wet because the Cubs
weren't on base to drive them off? That was the press.

(01:50:28):
So do we have the playoffs set in baseball yet?
Are we close? We're getting closer. It looks like it's
going to be the Nationals and Brewers in the in
the National League with the where's the game gonna be played?
They're close? Yeah, it's really close right now. Could change
tonight Nationals are a game up on Milwaukee and then
you've got so who starts from the Milwaukee in that
in the wild card game? We'll have to see. I'm

(01:50:50):
I'm not sure. It depends on how the pitching matchup
goes and with the at least with the rest of
the schedule. Like the Nationals, Davy Martinez said that she
is going to start for that's I'm saying. So it
isn't there. I mean, they have a bit of an
easier you knowsion, LUs I mean you just know. I
mean we're gonna go with Scherzer, right, That's just it correct.

(01:51:10):
We are going with Scherzer. Who you got if you
could have one guy to go with, who would you
go with? Ah? Strong, very very strong, very strong. Take
it realistic. It's it's now becoming more and more realistic.
You're gonna have an opener? You have you have an
open Yeah, do the old Wade Miley for one to
start with. Have Josh Hayter started out there? You go?

(01:51:33):
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