Does Toronto love Kawhi too much?

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to eleven. This one goes to eleven. Spinal tap nobody,
nobody likes, okay. And then we have Kauai Leonard, who
we all wait for. Okay, we all wait to figure

(02:00):
out exactly what Kauai Leonard is going to do. And
while we wait and we try and figure it out,
the city of Toronto has gushed with praise, has given
him so much love and adulation. His teammates even laughed
at his uncomfortable laugh, even when he mocked his uncomfortable

(02:24):
laugh with a fake uncomfortable laugh. Everything he says is funny,
every meal is picked up, every time he enters the building,
he gets a standing ovation. And suddenly the last outpost
of the NBA has become the destination for all the media.
That's because everyone wants to know what Kauai Leonard is

(02:46):
in fact doing, which is interesting because isn't that one
of the reasons that Kawhi Leonard didn't want to do
the Lakers thing. I do think that part of it
is he wants a piece of Lebron James. This was
the same thought that Kevin Durant had when he went
to Golden State. Kevin Durant went to Golden State. And

(03:08):
I've had a a very powerful former basketball player tell
me he's close to k D, and that k D
told him, Hey, the reason I went to Golden State
or I want a shot at Lebron in the NBA finals.
And he got those two shots, and he was the
better player. He was the m v P. He had
the big shots over Lebron James. And that's why k

(03:30):
D now. But you know, even before he tour, his
Achilles tendant was searching for respect because he thought he
should have. He thought he earned it on the floor
against Lebron. Well, now you have a Lebron led Lakers team,
and I guess if you're Kauai you could wait for
him in the finals in uh if you stay in
Toronto or you can go to l A with a

(03:52):
competitive team and say, I just think I'm better. We're
going to be better because I'm there and they're already good.
What if I took his adopted city from him and
made it into my own. I would point out that
there are no billboards that have ever convinced anyone in
the NBA of deciding where they're gonna play their future. Like,

(04:15):
you know, I was thinking about, say in Toronto. Then
I saw those two billboards that we're in Los Angeles,
even though I wasn't in Los Angeles, and I decided
I wanted to be in Los Angeles. When don't you
love it? I like, look, athletes already always lie to
us at press conferences anyway, and they tell us it's
not about the money. When you love it? Said if
they said, like, well, it's not about the money, it's
about the billboards, strikes straight faced. It's about the billboards.

(04:39):
But is there the possibility that Toronto, in their effort, uh,
in their effort to show Kauhi letter just how special
Toronto is, that they're doing it too much that they've
gone overboard. Nava Batia, who is the super face, he's

(05:00):
the guys the turban. He was an immigrant early on
in when he immigrated to Toronto, the Raptors were just
starting off. He purchased, he purchased season tickets a right,
and when he bought season tickets, he didn't have a
ton of money, And now he does. He owns a
bunch of car dealerships. He's an unbelievable success story in

(05:21):
the city of Toronto. And he is a staple at
every Toronto home game. He is he is their clipper, Darryl.
He is there, Jack Nicholson, and he had this to
say about Toronto fans going overboard. He's going out in
the city. He's being harassed, He's been you know, uh followed.

(05:41):
I believe that Let him enjoy the city right now.
Let him enjoy his privacy right now with his uh
family and uh, you know, just leave him alone. Let
him enjoy the city, right I mean, I think like
the whole reason he didn't want the lebron thing was

(06:02):
the paparazzi, was the constant questions, was the harassment. I'm
sure some of it is. He wanted to be the
best player on the team and show, you know, look,
I can guard that guy. I'm better than that guy
he wanted. He wanted the old one on one, the
old you know, magic versus bird, my team versus yours.

(06:24):
But he also likes to do things at his own pace,
do things quite quietly, and just go about his business.
It's a really hard thing. Guys struggle with this all
the time. Now, maybe music you could speak to it,
because you were on the dating scene far more recently
than me and Ramos, who have compared combined forty years
of marriage. But how many days after you go on

(06:47):
a date with a chick are used to like your
first date before you make contact with her again? I
think it was the two or three day rule. Just
seems dumb to me. You gotta let it breathe a
little bit, do you What if you really had a
good time. I don't want to come off over zealous.
Why not? It can rub people the wrong way? It can.

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But then when they they're they're not your people then, right,
if whatever you're feeling, they're not feeling, and whatever you
want to communicate they won't want to communicate, well, then
they probably want your person to begin with. That would
be my personal thing. Well, it's not that they don't
feel that way about you, perhaps they have a different
way of approaching different situations, right, and they might get
creeped out by it. Right. Maybe they do like you,
but there they don't want the feeling as if you're

(07:32):
ready to just like run it into the next phase
and they're just like, well, I'm still trying to get
to know you right now. I get it, and which,
you know, everyone wants something different, Everyone wants a different
level of attention, a different level of adoration. I think
that's probably what I would struggle with the most if
I was in the dating scene, which is I'm just

(07:52):
like I like something. I like it, Like I like
to workout. I do that workout until like I don't
want to do that work it again. I like a coffee.
That's the coffee that I get all the time. And
if I was to go on an awesome date, I
want that personnel like that was an awesome date. Let's
go do it again and then again, and then again

(08:15):
and then again. Because if it's your person then you
don't really get tired of their presence. You enjoy every
part of them. And if it's not, well, then and
looks some part of it is. I understand the letting
it breathe you do, like you know, absence makes the
heart grow fonder if you actually miss somebody, like who

(08:39):
do you actually miss in this world? That's the people
you really care about? But I think I would struggle
with that, But that seems to be what Toronto's struggling with.
They just want to show him that they love him,
and he's like, got it? Know it not really what
I needed to hear or do you actually need to
hear it? It's a really hard thing, isn't it. Um

(09:05):
In the over communication under communication, I'm generally an over communicator,
and I feel like Kawai Leonard is an under communicator.
And I think Toronto, in their effort to be different,
is the type of of potential significant other who wants

(09:26):
to over communicate their affection for him, and it may
be to their detriment. Does that make sense? On the
other hand, if we get right down to it and
your Kawhi Leonard and you have balance about you, none
of this should really involve itself in why you're making
your decision because whatever level of attention you get, now

(09:49):
that's gonna die down. But you shouldn't want to make
your decision based upon that level tent. But again, that's
how I live my life. That may not be how
he lives his life. And the only thing he can
judge Toronto based upon is his own personal experience, and

(10:09):
right now, his own personal experiences Drake celebration championship and
everyone freaking out over his presence like he's royalty. Nobody
leaves me. A guy who just wants to be left
alone to play basketball can't be left alone to watch
damn baseball game. I can't go on a dinner date

(10:30):
with his girlfriend, who's who's the mother of his child.
I can't pick up somebody. I just want to pick
up some boxes from home depot. Oh he's moving. Yes,
every NBA player who has a home in the States
has to pack up some stuff before they go home
for the summer. That doesn't mean I'm not coming back,

(10:50):
right He could have been moving stuff to paint a room.
He could have been moving stuff to storage. He could
he could be in a different house in Toronto, could
have been dead body that somebody chopped out that he
needed to help put away. All of these things are possible.
We don't know is if boxes mean he's actually moving

(11:10):
And oh yeah, by the way, tweeting about his every
move probably annoys the hell out of him, which will
drive him away, even though the intent is to show
him your love. Everybody does want love, but sometimes love
is Hey, I need space. If you really love me,
give me a day. NBA insider Chris Haynes joins the show.

(11:35):
Coming next. He broke the news about Kauai opting out
and is seriously considering staying in Toronto. But has anything
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I want an NBA player to sign a content and
go like, uh, you know, listen, I wasn't gonna come here,

(12:39):
but I saw this billboard on thee and I just
completely changed. I was like like epiphany that very moment,
and I turned my car around. I called everybody I
knew and said I wasn't coming to the Clippers. But
then I saw a billboard and it had my name
and California license late, and I thought, the hell with it,

(13:01):
Let's just do it. Uh, let's let's let's just do it.
Chris Haynes joins us. He's a senior NBA insider for
Yahoo Sports, following on Twitter at Chris B. Haynes. Um.
It's kind of interesting. It feels like Toronto, in their
effort to show love to Kauai, maybe overdoing it a bunch.
We liken it too. They went on a date, everything

(13:23):
went great, and instead of giving the two or three days,
they're like constantly texting that very night. Is that is
that turning off Kawai Leonard in anyway? Now, I don't
think it's turn turn them off. But I will say this,
Toronto hasn't been in a situation like this before. This
is this is unpreced in it Typically, when one of

(13:46):
their players becomes a free agent, they already know well
in advance that that player is leaving. So this is
a situation where they're coming off the championships. We we
all know how emotionally that fmotionally that fan basically is
anyway is coming off a championship, and there's there's the
opportunity to accomplish more. That is, if Kauai chooses to stay.

(14:09):
But you know, this is just unprecedented territory for him, man,
So you know, I think that's the that's definitely one
of the reasons why they're they're behaving like this. You
you were the first to report that he opted out,
but that he would give serious consideration to Toronto. Has
this you know, was he always thinking about it? Is
this new? Like the serious consideration Toronto? Does that mean

(14:32):
the chances of keeping him are have increased? Yeah, that's
that's news. That's that's the news part. You know. Obviously,
I think you know, most ploys one breaking when you
know when he's opted down. We expected that, but it's
always good to get that. But that you know, that's
that's that's the part where he's really seriously considering resigning.
When when I if you would have asked me done

(14:53):
a month ago, you know what, I think he was
later and I will say, but I think it's the Clippers.
Uh and definitely I think the Clipper. They're definitely in play. Uh.
He is expected to meet with a handful of teams.
Equipments will be one of them. But you know, to
to be able to to what Toronto did throughout the
season and building trust with you know what the medical staff. Uh,

(15:14):
you know, the magical season that they had. You know,
you know, it's changed. Things have changed. I mean I
remember I was a guy who reported that he had
no desire to go to Toronto. Wants the trade, uh,
wants the trade of what's announced, and so things have
definitely changed, you know, from from from that point on.
And you know, I actually got his uncle on record,

(15:35):
his uncle, Dennis Robertson, you know, to say that you know,
they didn't have any interests of going to Toronto. Uh
So just just the fact that they are now seriously considering,
you know, resigning, it just shows the difference that your makes.
That's the voice of Chris Haynes, senior NBA insider for
y'ahoo's Sports. Okay, what is the what's the domino effect? Like?

(15:57):
Poor are we waiting on to make the decision first? Well,
I think you know it's it's Kauai and Kati for sure.
You know, though, those are the two dominoes. I think,
you know, if if Kyrie situation wasn't wasn't as transparent
as it is now, you know he was in fact that,
but I think everybody's already starting the pencil and pencil

(16:18):
in or some probably using ink pair uh to to
to tie him to the Brooklyn nets. And so now
definitely the first domino is Kauai and Kevin the rent.
And I would think I would think Katie's decision would
probably be done before Kauai, just because Kauai, I think
he will talk to more teams than then what Kadi would.

(16:41):
I spoke to Kadi a couple of weeks about his
freezcy process. He said, look, I would not be recruited,
can't can't nobody recruit me? And so you know, I
think I think that only at least us believe it's
only a few teams in the mixt Um. Okay, so um,
take me into how it goes with Kevin Durant, Right, So,

(17:03):
Kevin Durant, there's one report that he's upset with, uh,
with what he was told before he tours Achilles Tendant?
Are you here here in the same thing. I can't.
I can't confirm that, but I don't. You know, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't dismiss that for sure. So does that mean
the Warriors are out? I wouldn't say there out. You

(17:23):
know obviously, you know they built something, you know, the
three years that he that he was there. But I mean,
you can't if you're a Warrior's fan, you can't feel
good about how things ended. And when I'm talking about ended,
I ain't talking about just about with the Championships, talking
about Katie's situation. Uh. You know Steve Kerr, you know,
came out and said, you know that they believe that

(17:46):
the how how do you say it? Like the the worst,
the worst that could be done if he went out
there and play was reinjured. Just it was the reinjurious calf. Yeah,
So you know, obviously, if there's reports out there that
Katie's first day. I mean, I mean you can kind
of point to the point to the size and see, man,
this this that that decision cost him a season, the

(18:10):
costumer season of his career, you know. And I reported, uh,
you know back when this happened that you know that
they were you know, they didn't you know, Duran's camp.
They didn't appreciate the way that, um, his status was
being updated like they would have preferred that he would
have he was ruled out indefinitely starting in the Portland

(18:32):
series that way, you wouldn't never had all these day
to day updates. What is coming to Rent doing? What
is he coming back? He's getting He's not back this game. Okay,
Now his teammates mad. Now they wondered what's going on?
Is he trying to prove a point that they need him?
All that stuff went on from Portland's all the ways
down to the end of season. Had they ruled them
out indefinitely and just eliminated that talk, then whenever Katie

(18:56):
came back, he would just came back. So there was
a lot of different ways that this thing was mishandled,
and uh, that's just one of them. So where do
you believe that Kevin Durant ends up. Uh. I know,
I know, I know, Kevin is about as good as anybody,
And I don't want to sit here and bs anybody.

(19:17):
I don't know, you know, I don't know. You know,
for for most of the season, I would have said
New York, but you know, then Kyrie is kind of pivoted,
and he's focused his tension on Brooklyn, and so like,
I have a hard time believing Katie would just go
to New York without another proven star, even though it

(19:38):
would be you know, even though he is rare shirtain
next year and he probably could get somebody the following season.
I just have a hard time believe in that. So uh,
you know, and it depends on how seriously or severe
is this relationship. Uh what if his relationship with the
Warriors right now, there's a there's a bunch of factors.
And I know Katie man like he you know, he'll

(20:01):
go back and forth for for a while. You know,
even when he made the decision to to go to
the Wars, you know, he had second thoughts and so
like after right now, I don't know. Maybe I'll have
more confirmation two days from now, but as of right now.
I don't want to be as anybody and say I do,
because I really don't. So does Kimba Walker wait laying
the cut and figure it out or does he go

(20:22):
take visits? I think he has to go. Look, I don't.
I don't think Charlotte is gonna give him a super Max.
I really don't. I think I think Kimba has done
and I think he deserves the super Max over there.
But I just don't think they're going. I think they're
gonna say, well, you know, if we give you the
super Max, we're still a team that's not in the playoffs,
you know, because that's what they were last year. So

(20:43):
I think he bolts, And I think you have to
look at uh, you know, teams like New York. You
know that. You know that New York the Lakers for sure,
you know those those will be two top teams. I
think we'll be going after them hard. And you know,
does does Kimba entice K enough if Kimber were to
sign in New York and what I mean New York
to me? The Knicks, I don't know. I don't know.

(21:05):
I know k D and Kyrie that they're very close,
they're very much alike to the man. I cover both
of them on a day to day basis for multiple years.
That they're very similar, very similar guys. So you can
see why they get along so well. I just don't
know that. I just don't know if Kim but went
to New York, I don't know if that's enough to
lower k d over there. Chris Hayes joining is senior

(21:27):
NBA insider for Yahoo's Sports. All Right, so what do
you think the Lakers end up doing? Look, it depends
on how David Griffin, uh, the new head of basketball
operations over there with the Pelicans, how are you going
to handle this trade execution date? And so if if
he if he's going to working out one of them
be able to get a max obviously that opens more doors.

(21:48):
But it's just you know, as constructed there, the Lakers
have to focus on just bringing in complimentary pieces. They
have to, they have to focus on that, and they
have to they have to get it right like rob this,
you know, getting a D and Lebron that was huge.
That was big. But you see how when you kind
of kind of screw up stilling at the roster, how

(22:09):
that can have a damage and effective the whole team,
so that it's gonna be just as important that they
bring in guys shooters, uh hopefully first and foremost shooters,
space space space shooters, uh, three D players. Those type
of guys are kind of to you know, to kind
of blend in with the talent of those two guys.
You know, Kyle Cohler is a guy out there. You know,

(22:31):
Kimball would be a good fit. Uh maybe you know,
maybe Jimmy, Uh if Jimmy have to take less obviously
if he was to make, you know, make that move.
But they need somebody on the wing who's gonna, you know,
do the dirty word. So this it's still it's still
a crucial it's still a crucial summer. But they have
the foundation to be considered a championship continuing team. But

(22:52):
they got to get the rest of the pieces right
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that's the voice of Chris Haynes, a senior NBA inside
for Yah who sports I want to ask you about this?
Uhum Adam Silver on TMZ said they're they're done calling
NBA owners owners instead, it's gonna be governors. Um I

(23:12):
just I haven't I got it I got a tough
time somebody selling me on that one, right, Like, sell
me on why this needs to be changed? When in
every business, if you purchase a majority of the shares,
you are the owner of that business. Why is it
so different? And or and and why is it? Why
is it so controversial to have an NBA owner called

(23:35):
an owner? Do we lose them? It's too long question?
That was a problem, all right. Chris Hains rejoints us
and senior NBA inside for y'all who sports. Chris, help
me understand why the word owner is so offensive in
the NBA when it's used commonly in every other foreign business. Yeah,

(23:59):
let apologize my big face hit the mute button on
the accident. But I'll say this, I think when you m.
Raymond Green was really um hammering on that the last
couple of years, just the optics of that, you know,
having a having a Caucasian being an owner of ADMINI

(24:23):
a teen aftdominly African American. You know, he started hammering
all that. It doesn't make him right though, just because
he's Hamory doesn't make it right. There's there's black owners,
there's Indian owners, there's female owners. It doesn't make him right,
like an owner of a business. As an owner of business,
it doesn't mean they own the men. They simply own
the rights to it. Again, just because Draymond Green says it,

(24:43):
and Draymond Green is eloquent, eloquent and how he says
it doesn't make what he says right right. It's like
when yeah, go ahead, Iry, I'm sorry. I was trying
to give me explain what he was saying and what
when it started made me think about when you look
at if you look at the slave ship. Because we're
talking with you know, I'm trying to explain to why

(25:06):
African American athletes feel this way because look, look at
the look at the NBA combines, look at the NFL combines,
and look at how they're measuring their musk. You know,
they're putting them on the stage, prodding them up. This
guy weighs this much. Well, if you look, if if
people that know their history understand that that's how the

(25:27):
slave the slave you know trade went. They put African
Americans up on stages and and proude of them and
poked them and two and it was like and it
was it was an option of source. And so you
know he started telling me things about that, and what's
what you already knew. But I understood why they would

(25:48):
start to take offense. And just like with anything does
I mean, I I don't think anybody's gonna find an offensive.
I don't think it's to the point this And we're
in a society where if you use that term it subsensive.
But I think, just like with anything, how we tend
to evolve with the language that we use. I mean, before,
you know, part of my friends, but you know before

(26:10):
when you said gay back in the day, that was
meant that meant happy. But we don't use that word
to describe happy, you know anymore. So things change, and
so like I said, I think that's just something that
a lot of players um just starting to take notice
of and starting to not to like the optics of
the way things sounded. And and I think Adam Silver

(26:30):
is just I think he's trying to appease the you know,
most of the players who happen to be African American disleague.
No I understand. I mean, there's an obvious, quite obvious
difference between being a slave and you know, earning a
earning a wage, uh for for performance for a sport,
which again they've they've earned and by the way, they

(26:51):
have the rights their name and likeness, and they make
hundreds of millions of dollars. It's just I think it's
really hard for for the average And yeah, I'm a
white male, like, I get slavery was bad. I'm not
gonna argue I'm Jewish. I'm aware we were enslaved a
long time ago. Uh, different different terms and stuff that
wasn't personal ownership. There was in the United States, but

(27:13):
there was obviously you know, Jews were enslaved several times. Um,
but I I guess I really have a hard time
understanding how the term could be in any way inferred
to be that of slavery, when when NBA salaries have
rightfully exploded, and by the way, are the picture of

(27:33):
how every other sport wants to wants their salaries to be,
right like the super Max contract, which I'm told limits
some players, is like two hundred and forty million dollars. Like,
I just I really struggle with it. And I think
what ends up happening is because you because Adam Silver
has become the guy gives into every sort of desire

(27:54):
of the players that it's gonna turn more people off
than it does appease people. And I think it might
have the opposite of the intended effect. But but isn't.
But isn't life like that? And what I mean by
that is just like there are something you just mentioned,
you know, Jewish, You just mentioned that there are some
things and some struggles that in your past and then
your your history and your familish history that I would

(28:16):
never be able to relate to you, that I would
never be able to understand. But if you inform me
about the background in the history, and then I can
be better to under understand why things may offend your people,
your country, then that's up to me to say, Okay, look,
I don't I can't relate, but I I see what

(28:37):
you're saying, and I get it. Now we're we're always
not gonna be able to get everybody's thinking of rash
now you know what I mean, because based off of
where we've come from, how we were raised. But it's
just to get and understand it. And I'm trying to
explain to you why some players feel that way. And
so it does as it does paint the picture. It
does look it paints picture to the outside the all

(28:57):
the owners are white, and that they have a slave mentality,
like look, Grand Hills an owner, Uh, you know, partial owner,
Michael Jordan's an owner. And so many of these players
have have said k D said it. Lebron says it
that their goal, among other things, is to someday own
an NBA team, and the NBA continues to rightfully empower
its players to greater positions of financial wealth, whichill allow

(29:21):
them to do that into the future. And yet we're
sitting but you know, we're we're making it seem like
it's just a bunch of white guys and a bunch
of white old men, and they're smoking cigars, and they're
pointing out the strengths and weaknesses in size and weight
of their their big black players. Like it's like it's
something from you know, the eighteen hundreds, And that's not

(29:43):
that's not a real accurate portrayal, even if it does elicit,
you know, if you really dig deep into some bad memories. No,
it is. You're right about that though, But honest which
there are some owners like that steel that they had
that I said, and so I'm not gonna call anybody
out right now, but there is that line of thinking,

(30:05):
that narrative to a few owners and also to you know,
some of these executives. And you know, if I'm being
quite quite frank, and so I don't think. I don't
think Katie and Lebron when they're talking, they're saying, this
is this is what all these owners do. Man, Steve Palmer,
he's an excellent owner. You know, great um whore you
know over there in San Antonio, awesome. You know, you

(30:27):
know there there there are some great owners out there.
But it's just it's just as we continue to evolve
that society, and you know, things just become. Things that
were considered the norm aren't the norm anymore. Things that
weren't offensive are offensive now. And I think it's up
to the people that it offense. Like if it's like, look,
if it's a majority of people who are offensed by this,

(30:51):
and they're similar in nature, similar in culture and everything,
then I think people have to understand it where they see,
where they come from. So why you might not have
read with it. I think it's you know, you gotta
respect when it's coming from because that's the same way
with me. I may not be able to understand or
comprehend exactly where you're coming from. But if you explain
it to me, I say, okay, I can. I guess

(31:11):
I can see why that might be the case. I'm
gonna do better to try to relate to that. And
I think that's all. It is. Good stuff. Chris Chris Haynes,
Senior NBA insider for y'all Who Sports Farm on Twitter
at Chris B. Haynes. Chris always appreciate you join us.
Thanks for Richard being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Pleasures Mind. Doug Gotlip Show rolls on on Fox Sports Radio.
Tweet us at gottlieb Show how you feel about what

(31:33):
the NBA is doing in terms of changing, uh, changing
the semantics of who owned the Chiefs. That's a line
from a movie slap shot. Denny Hamlin joins the show.
Coming next, I'll ask him about racing for the Great
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Doug Allip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Last Friday at Sonoma
race Way, Danny Hamlin unveiled a special Darryl Ward Darryl
Waltrop Throwback tribute paint scheme for his number eleven FedEx

(32:40):
Express Toyota for the race in Darlington, South Carolina, around
Labor Day. Of course, most of you know Darryl Waltrop's
a Hall of Famer, three time Cup champion. He retired
from Fox Sports Broadcasting booth yesterday. That was Sunday at Sonoma.
D w is one hilarious and to just a beloved guy,
Danny Handling kind of to spend some time with this

(33:01):
here on the Doug Gotlip Show. Do you remember the
first time you actually met Darryl huh? First time I
met Darryl oh gosh, I had to be a kid,
probably in an autograph session and be honest with you,
I mean we used to go around and get all
the drivers autographs. Me and my mom My. Mom would
pick me around every time they came to Richmond. Uh

(33:23):
that should have a whole list of the driver appearances
and whatnot, and we go chase around autographs all night.
So I'm sure I met him at one point through there,
but you know, by the time I came into the
Cup Series, he was already in his uh you know,
fifth or sixth season at at fox Um in the booth,
So you know, that was mainly the interaction I've had

(33:44):
with him. It's been professionally through that, okay. So I
find it fascinating And obviously you know Jeff Gordon now
part of the booth as well. Uh, he brings kind
of a different view and a different style because he's
from a different era of of racing. Um when when
Dy he was in the booth, and I mean, he's
always seemed like he was having a good time. What

(34:05):
was the real? What something been the reaction of drivers?
Because a lot of times drivers, if you guys don't
like what somebody is saying about you, guys are about
what's taking place, you'll let it be known to the
powers that be. What's been the general sense of what
he's been like as a broadcaster. Yeah, I mean, I
think he's been great for our sport and and obviously
he you know, I think his role when when you
look at you know, how the how the booth plays

(34:27):
out on a weekly basis, he kind of takes you
back to what was it like when he raced, And
and I think he tries really really hard to stay
up to date, stay current. I know, you know a
lot of the Fox guys have dinners with current drivers
all the time to try to make sure they're up
to date with the information that they're giving and the
analysis that they're giving. Um, you know, it was I

(34:51):
think that he was kind of unfairly criticized at times.
And I think that, you know, he's a different guy.
He really has a different guy and when you hear
him sometimes and and for the casual thing, I think
sometimes it's easy to say, oh, wow, this guy, he'll
set you back twenty years. Well, you know, he's just
trying to do his best to relate to the people

(35:14):
at home what's going on out there on the racetrack.
In the best terms that he knows how and the
best terms that he knew how work from twenty years
ago when he did it himself. So I think, you know,
it came at a good time for him. He had,
you know, donated forty some years to his life on
the road with NASCAR, and I mean the drivers really
indebted to him because he's really been a great ambassador

(35:38):
to the sport for us. And you know, we're we're
we're glad to send him off and you know, hope him,
wish him the best and in his next adventure, and
you know, hang around Stevie all all the time. So
I can't wait to see what he does next. I
obviously you've had success, had some some different race ways.
But you know Daytona you won this year. What what
was Sonoma? What's what's a course like Sonoma like for

(35:59):
you personally? Well, it's a challenge. I mean it's I
think it's the most technical road course that we have
typically you know for the fan that doesn't know we
race ovals most of the time, so we uh, we
race the road course. It's kind of alvar element. I
guess you could say we only run three of them
per year. Uh, this was the first one of the seasons.
So I personally liked the challenge of it. I think

(36:21):
that it tests us in things that you know, not
many of us grew up racing, turning less and right,
and so it's it's a challenge for us. But yeah,
these are the best drivers in the world, and I'll
put them up against anyone. And we've seen even road
course guys try to come in and be competitive against
the Cup guys and just can't do it. And these
are the best of the best. And you know, you

(36:43):
learn quickly that, um, you know, it's not easy to
go out there and and compete, especially when you got
a racial tracks like Sonoma that are so tough. Um. Okay.
So now like the special paint job, which I know
you're gonna break out what a Darlington Yeah, okay, what
why Darlington's? Why Why is that the one that you're
gonna break out this paint of it? So you know,

(37:06):
each year at Darlington's for those that don't know, they
have what they call throwback Weekend um in NASCAR. So
what they'll do is they'll take the cars and the
teams will throw a throwback paint job to a certain
era and and for this year the era was you know,
so I got to thinking about um AND and really
it was affordable. The UM FedEx has been so great

(37:30):
to me. They after my day tunnal Win, They says,
I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll let you design
your Darlington throwback car to be anything that you want,
you know, whatever you wanted to be. We're gonna say
good approved. And that's that's tough for a company like Peddock.
They're pretty particular about their brain and everything. But you know,
for me, that was right around the time that Darryl

(37:50):
walt Trip was announcing his retirement and I got to
think and I was like, you know, he was so
crucial and important to the history the number eleven car
that I currently race. I wanted to pay tribute to
him and thank him for you know, everything he's done
for us, not only on the racetrack but now in
the booth as well. So UM I went to them

(38:13):
and says, look, I want to do a Darryl Watrop
throwback scheme from um AND, and that kind of is
the way for me to pay tribute to Daryl Watrop.
Along with going with throwback scheme of of Darlington's race.
So I think it's pretty simple for me to choose that,
and uh it was. It was great to be able
to design it. All right, Danny, I got like fifteen seconds.
You're a Jordan brand guy, Are you gonna wear some throwback?

(38:35):
Are you wear throwback Jordan's when you were in the
throat when you're driving the throwback cars? Which we'll go one, alright, good?
I like that when in the red black and white
ones in the all white, which what color scheme? And
and well the his paint scheme is, uh, white, black
and orange. So I'll get something custom done in that color.
Fair enough. Good luck of the rest of the season.

(38:57):
Can't wait to see you in Darlington in that in
that car. And thanks so much for joining us, Denny
than Danny, Denny Hamblin, who has just set a record
from most text messages received wall on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Is that that accurate? Right?
That's the classic buzz of the receiving a text message.
You gotta wrap this thing. While on the radio with

(39:17):
got Lit, I think if you're gonna go throwback Jordan's, though,
you gotta go throwback to the whatever Jordan's was in
whatever Jordan's choose. We are going to talk baseball up
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dot coms. Have you been watching baseball and Balantine? Lots
of things I would love to change about baseball. I
personally love baseball. I do think that in game betting
is going to help propel baseball back into the daily discussion.

(40:23):
Maybe on our show, but betting shows are coming to
seemingly every network and because of it, um because of it,
I think baseball is gonna be big, big, big business
to bet baseball in the summer, not just betting baseball lines,
but batting baseball. What happens, you know, pitch to pitch,

(40:44):
out to out. I'm a bigger baseball fan than I
let on. I don't watch every game, although I've watched
the end of the last three Dodgers games. The Dawyer's
Los Dawyers have had three straight wall coffs by three
different rookies. That's crazy. Actually, it's not crazy. You know

(41:06):
what it is. That's baseball, right, You can actually use
that's baseball for anything that doesn't make sense, because that's
what baseball people use. That's baseball for. Well, you know,
he was hitting four d and then he went on
an oh for forty slump. Hey, you know, his baseball
comes in, he walks the first batter, you know, he

(41:28):
gives up there's an air at second base, trying to
turn a double play, gets to two strikes, two outs,
gives up a flare single, lose the game on a
runner who scores some second. That's baseball, you know, and
else's baseball. Home Runs have become baseball. What's old is new,

(41:49):
And you go back to the mid nineties, early century,
early two thousand's and home runs chicks digged the long ball.
We're the rage, and it was all as about or
seemingly always about the players being juiced like the players
being juiced. This from uh Rob Manfred, who's the commissioner

(42:14):
of Major League Baseball, on the idea of the baseball
being juiced, not the players. Major League Baseball's official stance
on this year's historic home run pace. As Manfred relayed
in his batch, of baseball's having less drag due to
the pill at the center of the ball. Drag is
incredibly important in determining how likely a hitter is to

(42:36):
knock it out of the park. As baseball has become
more aerodynamic, they travel further given a certain initial velocity.
A deep flyball that might have been caught the warning
track instead go into the first road. The stands three
change and drag coefficient can work to add about five
ft to a well hit fly ball, which can turn

(42:59):
increase in home runs league wide an astounding ten to
fift there's a low drag rate. In two thousand and seventeen,
there were records five home runs hit that season that paces.
They're on pace to shatter that this year with over
sixties six hundred home runs. Sixteen players have already hit

(43:23):
twenty home runs Last June. Last un excuse me, only
four players did twenty home runs by the same day
in two thousands and seventeen, it was just seven. Right,
That's it's crazy. What's happened? Crazy? What's happened now? I

(43:45):
don't think it's just the baseball. I don't um. I
believe that a big part of it is the change
and approach of the batters and how baseball is taught,
and how hitting is taught in terms of what you're
actually swinging for. When we were kids and you got

(44:06):
two strikes, what would they tell you choke up and
just put it in play? Because when you're in youth baseball,
you put it in play. In it sure seems like
less than fifty of the time they actually complete the play,
doesn't it. Trust me, I watched a lot of youth
baseball games. But but that has changed in Major League baseball.

(44:28):
Bunting which has re emerged at certain times, like Carpenter
of the Cardinals bunted to a double. I pointed out that, um, uh,
what's his name? What's the leadoff hitter, leadoff hitter of
the Dodgers, Chris Uh, Chris Taylor, Chris Taylor, Chris Taylor.
First and third bunt last week end up playing a

(44:48):
run because because the team wasn't really they're taking on
the Giants and their rotations were off, and he laid
a perfect bunt between first and actually more to second base,
between the cher and the first baseman, for the second
baseman was covering uh first and so he couldn't cover
the bunt, and they actually went from first and third

(45:11):
with one out to first and third with one out
and playing a run because of one bunt. But the
commissioner is telling you, hey, we changed the drag coefficient.
He's using scientific terms. It doesn't mean he's wrong, but
basically what he's told you is, hey, we loaded up

(45:33):
the baseball Go back and look at the World Series
between the Giants and the Astros two years ago, and
all the balls that flew out of the yard that
in that series. It was a record they had recorded
during individual games, and a record for a series over
one third of the time in Major League Baseball over

(45:55):
one third. Over one third of the time. You don't
need anybody other than the picture the hitter of the catcher,
because it's walkout, striker, home run. The game has become
about the long ball. And though we thought checks take
the long ball because you're waiting so long in between
every home run, the game becomes increasingly boring. It's frankly

(46:22):
like if you went to an NBA game and they
were just chucking up half court shots, right, they're just
taking forty ft Damian Lillard game under three's and yeah,
they're gonna hit some, and when they hit some, it's
super exciting, But what about all the misses? I mean, honestly,
it's not any different than sometimes watching the Rockets play
when they get into three point shooting fest or the

(46:44):
Nets play when they get into three point shooting fest.
You know, the only differences there's no defense and there's
no dunks, and it's just a different game. But the
commissioner is admitting and he actually said, look, our official stances,
it's about drag coefficient, our unofficial stances. Yeah, dude, we
told what we told them. We told Rollins, make this

(47:07):
baseball jump. Make it feel about the same for the pictures,
but make a jump. You know why we save our sport.
That was the idea. And the problem with it is
they've also moved the fences in. Players have gotten stronger.
There is a lot of platoonings, so guys are only
hitting pictures that they can hit and they've changed people's
approaches where there are no more to strike approach at

(47:29):
the in the box for most of these hitters. You
put all those factors together and you got sixty six
on pace for over sixty home runs. I'm not saying
I don't like Rob Manfred for being honest, but he's
being honest, and he's telling us that it's become a
different game because they've changed the ball. And look, this
is the same thing that's happening golf and why they

(47:51):
want a universal golf ball because some of those golf
balls just fly. Have the equipment gotten better? Yes? Is
the golf has gotten better? Yes? Is the more science
to it, absolutely, But the the golf ball being different
made differently, shape differently, flying differently changes so much of
the sport. And the same is true in baseball. Using

(48:11):
the term drag coefficient is a really nice scientific way
of saying, we loaded up the baseball because we thought
you'd like us more if we did so. And home
runs in baseball are like makeup on women. I think
a woman is far more beautiful if you enjoy her

(48:32):
with limited or no makeup. That's true, like if you
have to put a bunch of stuff on. I mean,
I can see that it's makeup, even it's really good,
Like I can see it. It's not your real face.
I'll take it. I don't mind a wrinkle, I don't
mind a blemish. That's a real human being. There makes
you even more beautiful. Same thing with baseball. A groundball

(48:58):
got that's got I to me, it's good baseball. I
might have seen some double place this year that are
rid ridiculous. The glovesmanship of some of these guys. There's
nothing like a two out rally wherever you get their
rally hats on and you're just trying to get the
guy to to put the ball in play, Like, dude,

(49:19):
I get it. Home runs are exciting, slam dunks, three
pointers are exciting. But we cut away the mid range
game in baseball. We're cutting in basketball, and we're cutting
away some of the subtle nuances of baseball. And it
feels like we we thought we were we were making
a prettier game, just like women think they're making themselves

(49:41):
better looking by getting all done up and putting on
a ton of makeup. You look like a pretty woman
with too much makeup on, whereas if you don't have
too much makeup on you just look like a pretty woman.
Baseball is an awesome game. I don't believe it's for everybody.
I do think they can continue to pick up the
pace of play. But what they don't need is to

(50:01):
doctor baseballs, you know, to artificially create this home run
derby effect. But that's exactly what they've done. Kennan Martin
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on Fox Sports Radio. M Hmmm, have you guys seen

(52:13):
this court Jimmy Goldstein's court that apparently they're using for
like supposed to be like Lebron's house in Space GM two.
It's a sport court outside. You know what's interesting about
that is there's actually a house in Beverly Hills. Are
you guys aware of this that has a replica of
the Staples Center floor and Staples Center Jimmy and they

(52:35):
have NBA teams come and have shoot around on at
somebody's house. True story. And I'm surprised that that's not
the one which they use, um for for the filming
of what should be Lebron's house for you know, Space
GM two. So um, yes, yes, right, music, So who

(53:02):
owns this house? Because I'm trying to look it up.
I'm not seeing much information on it. And how did
how did you know about this? Because there, yeah, there,
well there's there's a I mean there's there's been I think, um,
there there's been. I think there's been some NBA TV

(53:26):
stuff on it. Um. I'm trying to think who owns
the house. I don't think it's anybody you would know. Yeah.
I just found one article that said Gilbert Arenas was
doing a workout there in two thousand and twelve, owned
by Lakers season ticket holder in l A gear sneaker

(53:47):
mogul Steven Jackson. That's that's right, that's right. So when
Steven Jackson is not Stephen Jackson that actually works for
us some and works for other people's something played in
the NBA and and do you remember l A gear?
I do, yeah, now with the light up sneakers. But
they also they made you know, check of wore l

(54:08):
A gear um I think is in the pros. But
he also did so um he wore l A gear
at at l s U. It was like George Raveling
at had it at USC and Dale Brown had it
at l s U. Yeah. So Stephen Jackson, who is
the CEO of former CEO of L A Gear. Maybe

(54:29):
do they still make l A Gear? I guess they do.
He has a house in bel Air. Bel Air is
Bellow Country Club obviously that's just north of u C.
L A. And it's a replica of Staples Center. He
also has a tennis court, which I think doubles an
outdoor court like it is a filthy house, filthy house.

(54:52):
But I'm surprised he's got banners in there. And they
actually aren't tell him when he was an agent, because
now aren't tell him runs the Pistons. You used to
have his clients work out there. I can imagine having
a house so sick the NBA guys like, yeah, hey,
here's your gym, here's your gym. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I

(55:13):
guarantee Kenyan Martin has been there. Guarantee it garan guarantee
it um all right, So I wanted to share this
story with you over the weekend. Has anybody ever made
out better from the passing on a superstar in terms

(55:34):
of a contract than St. Louis? Like St. Louis Is
celebrating the fact that they just won the Stanley Cup
first time ever for the Blues, and Albert Pools comes
back with the Angels and he did hit a home run.
Over the weekend, Angels did win what they win two
games in one game there, one game below five. I
know they won yesterday. I think the Angels won two

(55:56):
games and it has kind of been surprisingly decent considering
they're pitching stinks and all their offseason signings have been
awful the only one one one yesterday. But Paul's got
a standing oh every time. And it's fascinating to me
that the St. Louis Cardinal Like, I don't even think
they were mad when he left. Now do I buy

(56:20):
into the St. Louis Cardinals fans are smarter than everybody
else's fans. I don't think they all are, but I
think enough of them are, because there wasn't some sort
of faux outrage when he left. They understood why he left,
and they understood why. The team offered him a good contract,
but not some ridiculous contract like the one he signed

(56:42):
with the Angels. If you go back, you know his
deal was what ten years, million dollars plus he has
additional money that he'll make with the Angels after he's
done playing, like another thirty million dollars afterwards. And the
Angels also weren't the highest bidder of the Marlins were,
which were they were like in three fifty million dollar range. Meanwhile,

(57:07):
the Cardinals offered him basically a six year contract with
three option years, which were at like I'm gonna say,
nine million dollars apiece. They offered him just enough to say, hey,
we offered you a huge contract, but not enough for
him to take it, which made them look like the
good guys. And then they won a World Series even

(57:28):
after we left, and so with that they looked I
can't remember a team who they did bid, they did offer,
but they didn't they and they went a little bit
to crazy town but not completely a crazy town. And
though they're not what they used to be, it's not
like our pools. Not having him now is why they're

(57:48):
not where they used to be, right And I was
watching this weekend and I was like, man, that's the
way in which you negotiate. You offered just enough so
that it's a real offer, but not enough so that
the guy will take it. And if you do that,
you do that. And that's I think I believe kind

(58:11):
of what Kemba Walker is gonna do. Kemba Walker is
gonna do the opposite to the to the Charlotte Hornets. Ah,
you know, I don't need the super Max. They just need,
you know, take a little bit less. They're gonna offer
him substantially less. And by the way, the Hornets are
probably right to not offer him the super Max. I

(58:33):
think Kemba Walker's had an outstanding career he's been better
than I would have thought. But if you want to
tell me he's a super super Max should be reserved
for one of the ten best players on Earth. And
as much as he might have the best crossover currently
in the NBA, and he's been the face of a

(58:53):
franchise and that has value, he's not one of the
best ten best players on Earth. But I feel like Charlotte,
if they let him walk, there'll be some fans there,
and I don't know how many of them. Let's sit
there and go like, well, we could have had Kemba. Yeah,
but you're not a playoff team with him. Why would
you double down and pay even more money so that
it limits anybody else you can bring in. What's the

(59:17):
point for fighting for being average? Let's fight to be great.
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you know. It's one of the things that the Knicks.
Of course, he played last for the Knicks this last
year and as a free agent. One of the reasons
the Knicks thought they were right there in the Kevin
Durant sweepstakes is they had space for two players. They
had DeAndre Jordan's. He liked owners, he liked management, he
liked to coach, he likes New York. It all makes sense.

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So I guess the question becomes though, like how much
would they pay for DeAndre Jordan's How much would that
limit their ability? And you know, like, look, DeAndre Jordan
has some limitations as an offensive player. Obviously defensively he's different,
but even even defensively, as he becomes different, he too
is gonna age. So I don't think that's always always
a perfect marriage. But I understand why it would happen.

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And if they signed him. If they signed him, they
will do so because they think that seals the deal
to get Kevin Durant big deal, a little deal or
no deal, that the Knicks were fine fifty thou dollars
for banning the New York Daily News from attending the
team's press conference with rookie r J. Barrett Friday. The
New York teams against the media thing is really weird, right.

(01:01:06):
The Mets um, their manager and one of their players
got into it with their beat writer, right and cursed
to the beat writer who may or may not have
been sarcastic as they were as they got into their
own altercation. Um. And then you have the Knicks thing,
which I don't blame James Dolan. I honestly, on some levels,

(01:01:28):
I don't blame him, Like there is this amount of
negativity whereas James Dolan hasn't he doesn't make day to
day decisions on NBA on basketball. He's kind of relented
and given that power away, even going back to when
Phil Jackson went there. So I get why a little

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bit of his panties are in a wad, But like,
what is the point, Like, you're covering a press conference
of R. J. Barrett, who's the future of your team.
You want to grant access to as many people as possible.
Big deal, a little deal or no deal? That under
Armor unveiled a Steph Curry signature line of golf clothing
which will be available this fall. Mm hm, it feels

(01:02:10):
like a big deal, very unique. It feels like a
big deal. I love the logo. The logo is like
the the three sign um. Isn't that the isn't it
turned sideways upside down? Isn't that the sign for white supremacy? Right? Then?
Then we learned from Chicago Cubs. But it's the three
ball sign three ball sign, which I like. I like

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as his logo for golf. Um also makes the number
thirty as well for STEF. I like that makes sense
as well. Good job makes sense as well. Um, he's
a very good golfer, Like I don't think could play
an event on the two. I know he did play
as a sponsors exemption, right yeah, yeah. I mean he's

(01:02:50):
one of those guys that probably decides, hey, I wanna
play golf, and then he becomes an awesome golfer and
he's like, you know, i'mint broadcasting. Then he has a
better show than mine. So I don't like Steph Curry.
If you don't take last in one of those events
pretty well. Yeah, yeah, and I don't think that he
did when when he did it, he hosts the hosts
of fall event and plus it maybe sets up something

(01:03:11):
for a after his career and be the big golf
person that under Armer has right now is Jordan's speeth
who was not exactly in the form. Now he's not
exacting the form, but he got some bad pr because
he was mean to his caddy. Sure, but Steph Curry
is going to continue to be successful, maybe get some
crossover with that big deal, little deal or no deal

(01:03:31):
that reports over the weekend said that Yukon is going
back to the Big East. I think that's a big deal.
It's a big deal because football has always been the
determined as to where a sports program goes and this
is a move clearly for basketball and Olympic sports. And
by the way, it's the right decision. It's the right decision.
Now it's made easier that they weren't in the a

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c C making thirty billion. They were in the a
C making seven million dollars a year. But it will
be a big question where did they come up with
a ten million dollars that they had to pay to
exit the league before they get in the Big East.
And can they make up for the lack of revenue
by being an independent and and getting their heads beaten
in by three or four really good teams a year.

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I think it will actually work. Yukons of basketball school
that does play football, and this could be the beginning
of something interesting for so many of those teams that
fall outside the Power five conferences. We talked about this
topic yesterday um My Show with Nick Bob on Fox
Sports Sunday. Is there a school that you would like,
maybe for selfish reasons, not financially, but they would like

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to see go back to their former league. Oh, I'd
like to see Missouri in the Big twelve. Yeah, that
was one of them we talked about. I mean, they
played Kansas and Kansas State for over a hundred years.
The rivalry of Missouri and Kansas goes back to the
Civil War when Kansas was a free state and Missouri
was a border state which also means a slave state.

(01:04:56):
And I believe some Missourian's under cover of darkness um
stuck across the border and burned down Lawrence. Like that's
the beginning of a rivalry. He can't like. Oh, hey,
Arkansas is close to us their arrival. Now, like that's
not really You've played They played Kansas State and basketball
for two hundred times, and now that's that's all gone.

(01:05:16):
Missouri would be my antis Missouri and Kansas. That boat
border war was awesome. Big deal, little deal or no deal.
That Florida State officials put the blame on the dip
of the college football program on former coach Jimbo Fisher,
according to a piece from the Bleacher Reports, So they're
saying that I saw that. Yeah, Jimbo Fisher. He didn't
recruit well enough, as we it, They didn't recruit hard,
especially in the offensive line. Um, do I think that's

(01:05:38):
a portion of it? Yeah? Do I think that's the
line you here from Florida State. Sure. I would also
tell you that Willie Taggert looked wildly overwhelmed. He just
looked overwhelmed last year, you know, to which I tweeted
out several times. Do they have a receipt for Willie Taggert.
We'll see he gets his players and he gets a
couple of years. If you can turn this thing around,
then I'll stand corrected. But I think that Jimbo Fisher

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is only part of it. I felt like Willie Taggert
left a lot to be desired in terms of what
he was able to do coaching wise. Last season with
the Knowles, Florida State Athletic Director Dave Colburn said that
Fisher pulled the rip chord on that six and sixth
season that got hurt, and the report also said that

(01:06:23):
Fisher the main mandate from Fisher and his staff in
his final season was quote keep the players eligible, which
is interesting, which, by the way, is probably the main
mandate from Jimbo Fisher in most years of Florida State. Right, Right, Like,
how is this year Monty Shlala hasette, Right, how is
this night any different from any other night? Right? How

(01:06:44):
is this year in different from any other year? I mean, look,
we can't blame it on the players all we want,
but I mean on the on the lack of recruiting
all we want. But dude, last year Flora's date was
they were so bad against good teams. I mean, do
you remember the scores that they lost by let me
share let me share them with all? Right, this is

(01:07:04):
last year Florida State. Remember program that I think fourteen
years in a row finished like, uh, top six are better.
I believe in Bobby Bowden, maybe maybe top five. You know, um,
this is how they finished the year. They lost to Clemson.
That happens to n C State, Notre Dame. They beat

(01:07:26):
Boston College by one. They lost to Florida. That's that's
not good. That's not good at all. They were down
fifty nine nothing I believe to Clemson for scose last
ten points. Big deal, little dealer, no deal that Cowboys
wide receiver a Mariti Cooper told Pro Football Talk that
his goal is to have a two thousand yards season. Ah,

(01:07:47):
no deal man. I mean, I don't think that's good
for the Cowboys. I don't either, but I also don't
think it's realistic, nor do I think it actually matters.
Is game time on The Doug got Leap Show. This
is kind of a hot button topic and I like it,
and we may even work in a phone call eight

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seven seven ninety nine on Fox We'll have our own
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(01:09:12):
little time, but there is I guess, I guess this
is a controversy. So before we get to what the
Fox said, let me kind of give you the little
bit of background on it. Draymond Green brought this up
months ago um where he believes that the term owner
is offensive because it because it brings up memories of

(01:09:36):
slave times. And Adam Silver offered up a couple of
about a month and a half ago that they were
considering doing away with the term owner, and most most
people in the media kind of laughed it off and
scoffed it off and like, well, that's kind of an
overreactive thing. Well that every day at this time, which

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try and bring you a portion of a previous sports
show on radio or on TV on Fox Sport Radio,
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morning show here on Fox Sports Radio on If the
term owner is offensive, how do we ever get to
a place where the dumbest among us are leading us?

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Used to be intelligent people set around and they had discussions,
and we didn't allow the dumbest group of people in
the country to lead us. And then social media happened,
and now everybody out there feels like they're entitled to
share their opinion and have their feelings taken into account.

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And if you're offended by anything, it has to cease
to exist. We live in a cancel culture where oh
there's a word that upsets me, Well, that word shouldn't
exist anymore. Oh there's a there's a phrase that bothers you,
That orration't exist anymore. Oh, like, I am so bothered,
I'm so triggered, I'm so worried about things. We have

(01:11:08):
endured into such an absurd, politically correct society that I
don't even know which way is up hardly now, I
guess my argument is this, Um, I don't disagree with
everything you said. I don't agree with everything you said. Like,
there are some words and some things that we've done,

(01:11:28):
which you know, we we used to. I'm like, I'm moving.
You know the R word, right, We used to use
the R word for mentally handicapped, the R word when
I was a kid. We used that all the time
if something we thought was was dumb or stupid. Right
and slowly, but surely we've gotten to the place like, hey,

(01:11:52):
that's not really cool. Even if we didn't actually mean
mentally handicapped, we meant to. It's a lot like when
you'd say something was gay, like oh, that's gay, and
you're like, you can think of something better than that.
So I do understand that words evolve, that the things
we say now are not the things we said when
we were kids. Although I will point out that in

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my neighborhood people use the word rad a lot. I
didn't use the word rad first time around. I don't
use the word rad now, but it's weird to hear
adults use the word rad, which is what I heard
growing up in the eighties and Orange County, California. Anyway,
let's just take the argument at hand, which is owner. Now,
could you use a different word to describe an owner?

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You could, but there's no more accurate word than a
guy who or a girl or whatever, or a family
that owns I franchise. They paid out the money. What
they get is the ownership sometimes of a building, practic facility,

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and the name and likeness of that franchise that anybody
who plays with it. I actually think, if anything, there's
no greater um snapshot of the journey and successes of
black people in our country then saying hey, you know
two d years ago, or you know, however long two

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years ago black people were owned by bye white people
in some parts of the country owned. Now, black people's
rights may be owned, but their workers and they're paid
absorbed in sums of money because of their skill, because
of their talent, because of their likability. The same term

(01:13:44):
is used completely differently now and has a completely different context.
And oh yeah, by the way a completely different financial
compensation than it was back then. And if you're you're
too caught up in words and semantics and what you
think it means, Like, look, this is what we did
with literally. The word literally means something that actually happened. Figuratively,

(01:14:09):
is we're saying kind of this is um a way
of saying something without their actually being a physical meaning.
But if you go on and look up the word
literally in the dictionary, in the New Webster's Dictionary, part
of the definitions is actually the definition of figuratively. It's
so stupid. We we've given into poor use of the

(01:14:33):
English language. It's not so fun. It's so much fun, right,
but we don't care. We don't care about when people
use poor grammar and they're speaking on radio or in
the telephone. We don't like, we don't. We've let lots
of things go okay where they're not formal like they
used to. People were jeans with with a sport coade,

(01:14:54):
people were sneakers now like, I'm okay with it being
a little bit less formal, but you know, I'm not
okay with when somebody works their entire life to save
up and buy a professional sports franchise and own it.
Much like if you buy a McDonald's franchise or a
Burger King franchise or whatever you buy, if you own it,
you are in fact the owner by definition, and you

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taking that extra step or two to related to something
two years in the past because the color of your skin.
I think it's such a ridiculous reach. And it's even
more silly that a really bright guy like Adam Silver.
Adam Silver is brilliant, but he is so far up
the players wrecked him that he doesn't know if it's
day or if it's night. He just wants the players

(01:15:38):
to embrace him, just wants the players to like him
because he believes it's better for his business. And I
feel like this does more damage then it does good.
You have responsible people, Miam Music. You told me this
when you first started working here. You're like, man, I
grew up in the valley. I grew up in Torrance,
in southern California. I always thought I was somebody who's liberal,
and then I hear some of these arguments, I'm like,

(01:15:59):
I conserved it out. No, you're just the real world
is all in the middle. You're not pro you're not
anti abortion, you're like, look, I don't want anybody I
know to have to have an abortion, but I do
know there are specific cases which we're not going back
towards illegal and you have to do it in the
back alley? Are we No, we're not gonna take what

(01:16:21):
the Bible says for everything, because if we did, there'll
be a lot of people that would be on the
outside looking in. Because the Bible isn't just all love
and faith and beauty, like it's not. There's some even
there's some bad stuff in there. But we do that
like we do the Constitution when we only look at
snapshots of it. I understand we're trying to make everybody comfortable,
but what you end up doing is becoming so ridiculous

(01:16:44):
that you create more enemies than you do friends. When
you try and change the term owner to governor music
way you think buddy, Yeah, I mean, I just I
can't imagine any other regular employee trying to walk into
whatever business they work in and saying, hey, boss, I
know you're my Oh you're the owner of this company
and everything, but you can't call yourself an owner anymore

(01:17:05):
because that offends me. I think the NBA players have
a ton of power and they know that, and I
just can't I it. I struggled to relate to it
as you do to see why this would be such
a sticking point. I just I haven't heard a really
good argument and I like and I am honestly willing
to listen. But this, well, Draymond Green said it like great.

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(01:18:14):
Oh so good, so good, so good, Such a good
weekend in sports. I know, I know you're like man,
I missed. The NBA still kind of around, get to
that in a second. Miss the NFL still kind of around.
Kind of interesting. Uh, Brett Farve telling Aaron Rodgers to
keep being Aaron Rodgers, which feels like Brett Farve really

(01:18:36):
telling Aaron Rodgers I always wanted to be I was
always Brett Farve. You should be Brett Farve. Two. Um,
but let's let's let's begin with the NBA. So the
Toronto Raptors feel like they're in a good, good place
right now. This is a lot like recruiting, where there

(01:18:58):
is no second place. It just isn't. You either get
the guy or you don't get the guy. There's nothing
in between. You get the guy or you don't get
the guy, nothing in between. What was the old no
fear shirt? Do you guys remember no fear gear? Never
happened to no fear They get bought up by somebody

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and then ruined. Is it available now? Like? Is it
is it? Are you a Max in East? You're like
you're in TJ Max and you're going You're like, oh,
there's no dear. Fear shurt sure all the time, but
there's a no fear shirt that said second place is
the first loser, which really is what recruiting is about,
and really what free agency is about. If you don't
get Kauai Leonard, you're still the first loser. You might

(01:19:42):
have won a championship, but doesn't make it even more
damning that you couldn't hold onto your guy. And look,
there's two billboards apparently in southern California, which you know
you can own, so cow, it's like Kauai with a
name one who spends that kind of money too. Does

(01:20:03):
anybody actually think Kawhi Leonard is gonna be driving down
the six oh five like I missed my exit. Oh man,
the phone never works with the Oh look billboard, all right, billboard,
Oh Kawai billboard. I'm staying. I wasn't gonna stay, but
then I saw that billboard. It means everybody likes me,

(01:20:25):
so I'm gonna stay. But what do we know about
Kawhi Leonard. We know he has a weird laugh, we
know he's a great player. You can play defense and
you can play offense. And with Kevin Durant hurt and
Lebron James also coming back from injury not looking the
same after that injury, I'm Okay. If I know, the
m v P award tonight is probably going into the

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honest But if you said, hey, Kawhi Leonard is the
best player currently in the NBA, go okay, I'll buy that.
Over the last fifteen years, Lebron has been better, but hey,
Kauai has been the finals m v P. He was
hell at the end of this year and he was great.
I'm okay with that. But it does feel a little

(01:21:06):
bit like Toronto has gone from hey man, you come
here and just play basketball and beat Kawahi Leonard and
win championships to what are you gonna do? Where are
you gonna go? Think? Quite? Thanks so much for coming,
you know. It's they're giving out so much love. It's
almost like the waitress that you've had. It's cool when

(01:21:27):
the waitress checks in. Everything okay over here? Can I
fill up your drink to every thirty seconds? Are you
guys okay? Are you guys okay? Are you sure you're okay? Like?
Can we just have a dinner and have conversation? I
just want to make sure you're okay. It feels like Toronto.
It's a little bit too much. Goes to a baseball
game standing ovation, goes to home depot, tweet out pictures,

(01:21:50):
people go crazy, goes to the mall. People won't leave
him alone, Papa the stuff that he wanted to get
away from to maybe come to the Clippers instead of
the Lakers. Now he's getting in Toronto. Does Toronto love
Kauai too much? Are they trying to show too much love?
Let's ask Kenyan Martin, the former All Star in the NBA,

(01:22:11):
former number one overall pick, and uh a beloved former
teammate of many, joined us on the Doug Gottlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, how well do you
know Kauai? What a dog? I know him pretty well. Um,
I guess some one a few people who have who
has uh his phone number in their phone? So I

(01:22:31):
know him well? Does he text as abruptly as he speaks, like?
Is he just a one line, one word texter? Or
does he go to paragraph? No? No paragraph? Because I'm
not a paragraph kind of guy. Leave it? You know
what I'm saying? So the simple things, man, you know
what I'm saying? So nice? Which school? So? Um, how

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do you think he's gonna respond or is responding to? Like? Look,
Toronto clearly loves him. They want him to stay. But
now apparently like he can't go anywhere without people begging
him to stay. Does that turn him turn him turn
him off in anyway? I don't know if it turned
him off. That's what that's what comes with winning the championships.
I'm pretty sure when Michael Jordan was in Chicago and

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there was rumors that they had to shut them all
down for Michael Jordan goes shopping and things like that.
So that he's in the whole country and I'm saying,
the country just won a first champion NBA championship. You know,
there's been a hockey country forever, you know, so for
them to win the NBA Championship, the first one, it's
a big deal for them, you know. So I'm pretty
sure he's embracing it. Um, can it be worrisome at times?

(01:23:37):
And then knowing yeah, of course, when you out with
your family, you just want to have a relaxing moment,
which no such thing this summer. You know, this summer
is going to be absolute may Ham in Toronto. So
uh all right, so so so take me through it,
because you know what everybody will say. It was like, look,
you can't leave a championship team. You could win a
couple of championships. But if I'm Kauai, you might sit

(01:23:59):
there and go like, wait, wait, I won a championship
in San Antonio. I go to Toronto, we win a championship.
The Clippers are I don't know if they're one player
away or two players away, but why can't I win
a championship there? Uh? What do you think? The breakdown
in terms of the differences between l A and and
Toronto is ones in Canada, ones in Los Angeles. You

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gotta go through customs every time you leave and come home.
You know what I'm saying. I think that's the only difference. Man,
Nick Nurse is a good young coach um and this
lead where not young coach, but a good I'm saying
young in NBA terms for his head coach um in
this league um and got a good nucleus um and
he wants to continue that what they built and he will.

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I'm saying here, stay there. If you want to come
and do something with the Clippers that's never been done, um,
the same thing he did in Toronto, then I'm pretty
sure that opening I'm saying with arms, I'm saying with
open arms, you know, so, but I think it's six
and one half does at this point. Um, the Clippers
have a good, good team in place, but no superstars.
Toronto has a good good team with the superstar. So,

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um what what whatever floats his boat at this moment,
don't I think people need to let him enjoy this
championship and could ask him where he's gonna go. He's
gonna make the decision when he's ready to make that decision. Yeah,
so I guess that that that does become a question,
Like I don't think anybody changes their decision because of
like a billboard. Uh but a billboard at least makes
you smiler, laugh, whereas people constantly up in your business

(01:25:25):
might might tick you off. Do you think there's a
negativity too, you know, like they're the raptors number one?
If you come to Los Angeles, there's Timz everywhere. So
there's no privacy, no hide anything around here, you know,
so he won't to continue that privacy life and all
that and that part of his life. I think Toronto
will be the best option for him, you know, because

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he's a private person. Uh, he moves about and Steph mode,
you know, So, Um, that's a great thing to be. Um,
but Los Angeles is we all know what it is,
um slashing lights and glamour and and height and and
people showing up at the basketball games. Uh. Kenny Martin

(01:26:08):
joining us on the dug Otlip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, the Lakers gave away a lot right,
two starters and Josh Hart's kind of a quase I started,
plus a ton of draft picks. Um, how hard will
it be from your by your estimation to build a
championship team considering their financial limitations right now? Oh, it's
gonna be their scrap, their scrap for financially because they

(01:26:32):
gotta pay Anthony Davis. I'm saying that's that's that's a given,
you know what I'm saying. They have to but get
somebody to join that. They're gonna have to break it up.
Um uh, I like to I was listening to the data.
They don't think that the one guy is going to
take with their offerens or they're gonna have to split
up with a couple of different guys. Who who that is?
I don't know. And they still in the same spot
that they were before. They need shooting, they need death. Um,

(01:26:57):
you know so we'll see, you know, we'll see what
what makeshift roster that Rob Blinker comes up with this year.
H Kenny Martin joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Would would you prefer to have
Kemba or Kyrie be your point guard? Wow? That's um,

(01:27:19):
that's a great question. I would at this junction as
far as Kyrie's I would say Kyrie just for the
winning aspect. He's been there, He's played with Lebron. You
know what it takes to win, you know. So I
would say Kyrie at this point because Kimba has been
in the losing situation year and yeah, you know, so

(01:27:41):
when there's a learning have it um in this NBA
so we all know that, you know, so um at
this junction in their career, based on everything the resumes
and everything, I would I would go. I would I
would go with Kyrie. By the way, Kenny Martin is
the coach of Trilogy in the Big Three, Big Threes
that a new influx and talent. Joe Johnson was giving

(01:28:02):
dudes buckets, wasn't he wasn't he? And that man came
playing the NBA still come over? Yeah, I mean I
feel like like, he's one of the few guys that
he's still you know, we'll buying him. Those guys still
have the juice in their legs to where you're like, oh,
that's a that's a different level of dude than some
of the other guys that have played in it, which

(01:28:23):
are still have the skill of making shots but have
to be more physical because they don't have the juice
in their legs. Yeah, of course, you know what I'm saying.
That's giving take. You know, some of the young guys.
Joe is not younger by young by any stretch magination,
but he was moving. We all out that making shots,
making plays. Um. The game took the little again, um
adjustined to in the first half I think for him,
but he settled down and we will buying him. Was

(01:28:45):
out there running circles around people. Man. So Um, some
of the younger guys, UM, still have a chance. But
that's a great competition. Um, it's year three. Like said,
I'm I'm coaching trilogy trilogy this year. Nopen um, no
more plans me. So it's an exciting time. King Martin
joining us in the Doug Allee show your your son
Kenyan Jr. My brother was recruiting at Organ State. He

(01:29:08):
chose to go to Vanderbilt, and then you guys change course,
and now he's gonna play professionally instead of uh, instead
of going to college basketball. Why it was his decision. Um,
he believes in his ability, his ability. I believe in
his ability. Um, he said. They didn't do all this
to go to school. You know, his goal, ultimate goal

(01:29:29):
is to go to the NBA, you know, so why
not put him in the best situation to get there?
And and I if he's going to go somewhere in
your heart is not all the way in it, then
why b s it. Um, he's gonna go to Vanderbilt.
It's not gonna be the best hit of the university,
not gonna be the best inage of the basketball team,
not gonna be the best for kJ you know. So
it's because his heart wasn't in it all the way.

(01:29:51):
And I'm not gonna put him in a situation where
you can go down there and then everything starts fall
apart because you're not happy, you don't want to be there,
you know. So it was we talked. I inquired about
some things. Um. Now I gave him the honest guy, truthful,
the things that I was hearing, and he stuck with
his decision. So me being his dad, I'm supporting. I'm
gonna put him in the best situation possible to achieve

(01:30:11):
his goal, which is to make it to the NBA.
And all it is is a little hard work which
he's putting the work in. He's put the work in
up to this day, and he's want to continue to
do that. And whichever route it is to get there,
then he's made that decision, you know. So we're in
it for the long haul and whatever that will be,
we'll see her soon. Um, nothing is set in stone

(01:30:31):
right now. But he just decided that he didn't want
to go to school. I get it, but man, I
mean it wanted to an incredible school, but too you
play for stack Who's that was his sole reason for
going there? He was perfect. But if you want to
go play in the NBA, who better to coach you
than a dude who know he's played and has done it.
But he just got done coaching the league like it.

(01:30:53):
It felt perfect for what he wanted to do. All facts,
all facts, but the fact that was that's in college
just hate school. Uh, nothing that that they hated It's
just a different round, you know what I'm saying. Like
he's he graduated high school, he did what he had
to do, he had his test score together, everything was together.
You n you did you did? You did a good job, right,

(01:31:15):
I got yeah. So he just decided, like the R. R. J.
Hampton made that decision. And we had that conversation that day.
You know, he just kept mentioning it and I asked him,
what's on your mind? And we have an open, honest
relationship near myself, you know what I'm saying. So he
wanted to talking to like a grown man. So we
had a grown man conversation. So that's what it is.

(01:31:36):
You know what I'm saying. I'm I'm a supporting some
people going found apart it. Oh, well, we prove those
people wrong, you know. That's what we've been doing. Right.
So I believe in this ability. I think I know
basketball talent. Well, you can put me in any gym
in the world, Like can tell you what people can't
can't do. Can they play or can they not play?
So I've seen him, I've seen this development and if

(01:31:58):
I didn't think he had it in him to get there,
I would definitely tell him that well, listen, I wish
him the best of luck. It's a fast thing, and
I mean, I love that that you're taking ownership as
a parent, and I can't wait to see what he
does next. Kenyan, thanks so much for joining us and
giving us your perspective on all things hoop. Let's catch
up in person. I appreciate you. That's Kenyan Martin joining

(01:32:20):
us on the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radios. Wow. Man,
I mean, like, listen, my brothers at the Oregon State
Kenyan kJ was a late yet they liked him. He
plays hard, plays a good but this he's not like
r J. Hampton is a top was a top five recruit.
Like this is a it feels like a harder route

(01:32:41):
than necessary. But that's fascinating parenting, right, Like this is
a I'll relate it to my own son. You know,
my son, Like he has a sleepaway camp he goes to.
It's seven weeks long, and last year he went for
seven weeks and I was dying. I'm dying and it's
not sports specifically play sports there. So part of me

(01:33:02):
wanted him to get like he's in a hoop camp
this week. But because he's playing All Star Baseball like
I had given him choices, Hey, do you wanna play
All Star Baseball? Well, do you want to play? Yes?
I do, but I don't want to miss camp like
you can't. We can't decide when you whenever you lose
and All Star Baseball, I'll take it to camp part away,
and then I give him choices of basketball camps he
wants to go to, but I do. At some point
you do have to overrule your kid if you know

(01:33:24):
what's best for them. It's a really hard thing to
do when you want to empower your child and he's like, hey,
my son's eighteen, he's in a grown man. I want
to help him. I personally would have sent him to
Vanderbilt and played for Stack because it's a no lose proposition.
Pro bowler and Heisman Trophy winner Carson Palmer joins the
show next Um, he's gonna get inducted into the Cardinals

(01:33:45):
Ring of Honor. I'm gonna ask him about what they've
decided to do at the quarterback position. Does he like it,
will it work? And how far away is Sam Donald,
a former USC product from being a star. We'll last
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Fox Sports Radio, Carson Palmer's and Orange County Duty has
become a fly fisherman extraordinaire. That so what he is,
so what he is. He's also getting inducted in the
Cardinals Ring of Honor. Ceremony will take place at State
Farm Stadium. That's the that's the Glendale used to be
University of Phoenix. Right when the Cardinal's host the arrival
of the Seahawks and he joins us now on the

(01:37:02):
Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio, have you been
fishing today? I have not. I have not. I've had
to shift my focus a little bit to my golf
game and really work on my golf games. I've got
the American Century Championship in Lake Tahoe coming up in
about two and a half week, so my fly fishing
game has has slipped a little bit. And just for

(01:37:24):
future references, Doug, I would hope that you could call
me a fly fisherman, a ficionadoshido close to the extraordinary, extraordinary. Okay,
a fishionado and extraordinary. What is the difference, I don't know.
It just it kind of sounds cooler to me, Okay,
fishingdo because I know it's because you've seen that cigar
Fishionado Rich Guy magazine and you're like, I always want

(01:37:47):
to be a fly fisher, fly fisherman, fishing, fly fishing,
and Fichionado. Right, is there a fly fishing Do you
have fly fishing magazine? Well, I don't think there is
a I don't know if it's called fly fishing magazine.
There's a number of different publications on fly fisherman. But
I am a member of what is it the trout

(01:38:07):
stream I'm remember something. I send a check into every
month to make sure that the trout streams are taken
care of and the hatcheries fire on all the clanders.
The fishing stakes good, very nice, very very Um. What
is the best time of your for people don't know
you live in Idaho, what is the absolute best time here?
Because you know, now is the time with all of

(01:38:27):
us tourists, all as California raisins come up and and
we come up and we try and learn the arts,
the better arts from a guy like you, a fly
fishing and Fishionado. Uh, what is the best time here? Now?
Is not great? The rivers are still pretty high from
there's a lot of water coming off the mountains because
there's still snow on some of the mountains. So right
now there's a lot of tourists in the water that

(01:38:48):
are actually probably striking out and having some over for
days in the water, just because it's tough to fish
right now. But once the kind of fourth of July
July August crowd leaves, except member is spectacular football season going,
the leaves start changing, there's nobody on the water, and
the fishing office starts all right, Carson Palmer joining us.

(01:39:09):
What do you think of what the Cardinals chose to do? Um?
Where Josh Rosen's their guy, then he's not their guy
now Kyler Murray is their guy. Seems kind of quick,
but you've lived this life before you came in and
you didn't play right you Uh, you backed up John
Kittna and red shirted for a year Rosen. I think
the idea was to have him red shirt. They had,

(01:39:30):
you know, Mike Glennon is a backup, they had Sam Bradford,
but that they pulled the plug on that. What do
you think of what the Cardinals chose to do? Well?
I think they looked at it, like, you know, Kyler
Murray's a once in a generation type talent potentially and
just weren't willing to let him, uh potentially be that
guy and not draft him and let somebody else draft him.

(01:39:50):
So um, you know, I think they're they're just just
from watching college film. You watched Kyler's film, Uh, and
it's you just can't stop watching. It's everything he does
is spectacular. Um. And and Rosen is more of a
pocket passer, a guy that's going to sit in there
and throw the ball accurately down the field. But Kyler's
just that guy. He could be. Um, you know somebody

(01:40:13):
that this league hasn't seen in a long time or
maybe ever. I mean, his stature, his speed, his quickness,
his elusiveness, the success he had in college. Those all
those things aligned to be a great, great player. And
maybe they had enough of a book and Josh and
realized that Kyler, Uh, he's just too enticing to pass up.

(01:40:34):
Carson Palmer joining us on The Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Obviously you still watch a ton of football.
You've told me that before. How far away is Sam
Donald from being special? I think this is his breakout year. Um. Obviously,
getting a guy like Lady on the backfield to take
a lot of the pressure off in the red zone
and on third and four or less type situations, just

(01:40:58):
giving him getting him the ball somehow. I'm way whether
it be a screen or just turn it and hand
it to him. Um, that's gonna take a ton of
pressure off. They don't have a ton of guys on
the outside a true um you know, defined number one. Um.
So they're still kind of working through that, but they've
got a lot of pieces on defense and and UM,
I think I think he's poised to have a here here.

(01:41:19):
And obviously in New York it's going to get blown
out of proportion. Um, you know, one way or the other.
It's it seems to go in that in that kind
of a market. But I think he can explode on
the on the scene and have a great year and
and maybe find a way to get get in the
playoffs of the NFC. You know when you first got
to this, when you when you first got to the Bengals, Um,

(01:41:40):
they were the Bungles, right, they were. They were much
like kind of people looked at the Browns the last
couple of years and a kitten to help kind of solidify,
you know, stabilize things and you turn that thing around. Um.
So there's some some celarities to that of the Browns.
And you had some big you know, big egos and
big talents at why receiver that you play with, Chad

(01:42:01):
and of course uh and of course who's what are
the challenges like from your perspective for somebody, um, you know,
somebody who's a quarterback of a team like like the Browns,
Like you know, he's doing a lot of talking, but
he for most, for the most part, it's in support
of his teammates. What do you think of what's going
on in Cleveland? Yeah, I mean he's he's putting himself

(01:42:25):
in a much more difficult situation. It already was a
difficult situation playing um for that organization, and just the
chaos that that organization seems to be surrounded with for decades. Now,
um and then you bring in, you know, some of
the you know, the electric athletes that are also very
outspoken and the Odell Beckham's and Jarvis Landry and now

(01:42:46):
Baker is one of those guys. So, um, man, he'd
better win. That's how I sit back and look at it,
because when when you're winning, you know, O'Dell can't say
this or that in the media, and Jarvis can't pop
off on social media and all those distractions seem to
kind of be put at bay when you're winning. But
as soon as you start losing. Um, all of those

(01:43:08):
are are magnified and those are real issues and a
real problem. So, um, you know, I think they've got
a tough thing coming. Um. You know, they do have
a lot of talent. They have a lot of guys
that that you could just get. You can get the
ball to Odell on the slant and he can take
it for sixty at any moment in the game, which
um kind of like we're talking about with Sam Donald.
Those are those are stress relievers. Those take some heat

(01:43:30):
off you as a quarterback where you get to throw
an easy completion and watch a guy make a couple
of guys miss and go all the way. So, um,
they have a ton of talent, There's no doubt about that.
But it just seems, you know, that looks like one
of those things that it could get real dangerous and
real ugly if they don't come out hot and win
their first three of their four first four games. So

(01:43:51):
much has changed since you're a rookie. I mentioned that
you read shirted right like you sat behind Kittna. But
because these contracts now, you can figure out if you
want a guy or don't want a guy. You're not
as financially invested. I don't know, for whatever reason, and
I think some of it is guys throw more at
a younger age. Maybe that's the the excuse that they're
making in the game is kind of evolved to a
little bit of the college game. Do you still think

(01:44:14):
it's better to sit, Like now that you've had chance
to reflect on your own career, what's the better way
sitting or playing right away? Well, I just look at
the contract length and you're going from when I was
coming out, there were six and seven year contracts and
now it's it's four or five with an option. So
it's just not feasible in today's than the new cb A.

(01:44:36):
It's just not feasible to have a guy that has
taken up seven to ten percent of your salary caps
sit for an entire year, Although it can be great
if in my situation on kitting, to sit back and
learn everything from it was so beneficial having that opportunity.
Um So if you have somebody like that, like a
Josh McCown who has done a great job of that
really who recently just retired and seemless, you know, everywhere

(01:45:00):
he went, he kind of was that guy that's a
that's an unbelievable situation to be in. Sam Donald just
was in that situation, but with with only having a
guy for four years and having to figure out if
you're gonna pay him thirty five million bucks a year
at the end of that fourth year of his contract.
That's his rookie deal. You need all those years to
be able to evaluate him, to see him, to watch him,

(01:45:21):
to be in the facility and and see if you're
going to commit to him long term. So in today's game,
you can't sit and watch. These guys have to play.
In the year one, Carson Palmer is gonna be inducted
into the Cardinal's Ring of Honor kind of to take
some time away from fly fishing because right now they're
just not biting. That's the only reason he really picked
up the phone. He's joining us in the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. I don't know if you

(01:45:42):
saw this kind of controversy a little bit in Green Bay.
So Aaron Rodgers been with Matt Lafleur for all of
like I don't know, ten workouts and the floor's style,
which he got from a couple of his previous stops
from Kyle Shanahan and from Sean McVeigh is in instead
of having you know, you can do whatever you want
in the playbook because you're Aaron Rodgers. You basically give

(01:46:04):
the guy to play, goes to the line of scrimmage
and he's got two plays, and you pick which one
you want to run. And Aaron Rodgers like, look, I've
been doing this for eleven years. I can do that stuff,
and I have the amount of experience almost no one has.
So Brett Farve came out and he's like, look, let
Aaron b Aaron. What do you think about how you
would coach and how you would advise Aaron Rodgers in
a system which is very different from the one that

(01:46:27):
he previously worked one. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm letting
Aaron play. I'm you do have to have some constraints.
But um, if you're riding if you're riding Sea Biscuit
in the Kentucky Derby, you're letting Sea Biscuit run. You're
letting him go. Um with Aaron's experience, with the Fleur's
lack of experience, It's not like the Fleur has been
doing this for thirty plus years in the NFL. I'm

(01:46:51):
letting Aaron be in and Aaron's got enough on the line.
It's important enough for Aaron that his team play well
and they have a ton of success and they go
to the super Bowl and all those things that come
with being who Aaron Rodgers is. I'm absolutely letting Aaron play.
If Aaron see something different or gets a field or
has an itch to throw a certain ball or get
a ball on a certain guy's hands. Um, I'm letting

(01:47:12):
them do it now. Sam Donald and Josh Allen, some
of these young guys, they're they're gonna be in my
system and run my system and do what I ask
him to do until they prove otherwise. Aaron's established, Aaron's proven.
I'm letting Aaron play if I'm his coach. Great stuff, Carson, listen,
enjoy the summer with your kids. Can't wait to see
if you come down to Orange County in the meantime.
Congratulations on on On on the induction which is forthcoming

(01:47:35):
in September into the Cardinals Ring of Honor. Appreciate you
me a guest, Thanks for having me on. Dog always
get catching up man. Have a great summer. YouTube. That's
a fly fishing aficionado. Carson Palmer, Doug got let Show.
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We call it the Press. The Press, Dan Byro, what

(01:48:27):
do he got? Doug? World Cup Update? United States advancing
today to the quarterfinals. They beat Spain to one, Sweden blank,
Canada one nothing, so the Canadians are out. Sweden will
face Germany on Saturday. US gets France on Friday. So
far of the six quarterfinal teams, five of which are

(01:48:48):
from Europe, the United States would be the lone holdouts
as and we beat a European team in Spain, so
it was exciting on me as I'll hold your best.
So who's next? France? France? It's on Friday that doesn't
sound like the smartest scheduling in the world. Like, I
get that you wanted to be fair, but you want
stadiums full and you want people to be watching. You

(01:49:09):
want the Americans and the French to be in at
the longest, don't you. Yeah, just happened, Yeah, the way
that the standings in the pool play ended up. Warriors
GM Bob Myers was asked today about free agency when
it comes to Kevin Duranton Clay Thompson. Do you have
any formal plans to sit down with Kevin or Clay
regarding their future here? Yes? Are you? Are you optimistic

(01:49:36):
about those conversations? We'll see yeah, uh chuckle hut. Today
at the Warriors's supposed to say we got no shot, right,
what's he supposed to say? Yeah, well, it's just his yap.
And then everybody they want to they wanna Verne Lunquist, yes, sir,

(01:50:06):
although Verne actually it took yes sir. It wasn't an
original Verne. It became verns But ben Wright was actually
the first one to say yes sir. And uh, then
Verne did it the eighty six Masters after Jack did.
Because I think ben Wright said it on fifteen Yeah,
a little little background there anyway. It's vern's not a
way too much fire about that. There's a lot of

(01:50:31):
stuff that I don't know, but you know, way too much.
General manager Brodie vett Wagen and says both manager Mikey
Callaway a picture Jason Vargas will be fine for their
altercation with Newsday reporter Team Healy yesterday, but neither will
be suspended. Here's Mickey Callaway on yesterday's situation. I don't
need to tell my side. Um, you know that that

(01:50:52):
doesn't help me anyway. Um so, um, it was a
misunderstanding obviously, for for things like that to happen, always
a misunderstanding. I'm sure there was no malintent by either.
It's just something that happened, and we have to move forward.
If y'all got a crew, you've got to have a
fall guy in the misunderstanding. Get this blank blank out

(01:51:19):
of here. And then Jason Vargus probably with a misunderstanding
as well. No apology for Mickey Calloway. Ryan Fielder, former
colleague Herett Fox pointed that out and he's now based
in New York. But no apology for Mickey Calloway today.
It was that was weird. Now, do you think that
means that the reporter really was being super snarky or what? Oh?

(01:51:41):
I'm sure he probably was. But you can't just be like,
get this blank blank out of here and then if
Jason Vargas be like, I'll knock you out, bro, Like
you can't bro? Bro? Yeah, what do you call him? Bro? Bro?
I'm a fun guy. The Athletic reports that the Chiefs

(01:52:01):
believe they will hear of a possible suspension of wide
receiver Tyreek Hill as soon as next month. Now, we're
report from Yahoo Sports, just coming out in the last
few minutes says that Hill is expected to meet with
league officials sometime this week. M m m m. What
do you think that means. I think he'll meet with them.

(01:52:23):
I think that there will be a suspension of some sort.
I mean, how can they not suspend it for six games? Yeah,
I'll had to be a six games. I mean, you know,
by rule, that's what I had to be. The may
get parried back, but I think it'll be a six
game suspension. Initially, NFL training camp dates I mentioned this
in the update a little while ago, but we're announced
today Broncos will be the first team to have vets
report doing so on July. Of course, the Broncos are

(01:52:46):
playing the Hall of Fame Game against the Atlanta Falcons
to start the NFL preseason on August one. Is there
anything that you get more excited about that delivers less
than the Hall of Fame Game? You're exactly right to see, way,
and I missed the first series. Now I don't know
anybody who's on the football field. Who are these people? Alright?
I like to just see the graphics on the screen

(01:53:07):
again and the uniforms you know, on the field, but
the actual play is and then you dug to your point,
you realize we got another month of this. Then it
becomes a little bit LONGA A federal judge has approved
to ruling that will allow PSL owners in St. Louis
to receive refunds for their purchases after the Rams left

(01:53:30):
for Los Angeles. The Rams will end up paying as
much as twenty four million dollars is part of the refund,
with another seven million dollars going to cover attorneys field.
So the PSL owners getting their money back because they
bought personal seat licenses and there's no team there. Yes,
that is correct. The fact that they had to soon
order to get it is kind of a sign of like,

(01:53:52):
we are so screwed up in this country. They should
get the rights to buy seats or a team that
doesn't actually play here. These are my seats. We're having
Fourth of July over at the Dome and it's uh,
we've we've only got four seats, so we can bring
four of you with and you reserve the rights to
buy parking as well. Don't forget that. Oh yes, sweet.

(01:54:14):
Former Jeopardy champion James Holt Tower is making his debut
in the World Series of Poker, Yeah, saying he will
donate all winnings to homeless charities in Las Vegas. Definitely
homeless charities. Definitely homeless charities. I'm gonna donate all my money.
Definitely homeless charities. Like that guy is Rainman level savant
and finally, Doug as you mentioned it earlier, NBA Awards

(01:54:37):
on it for Watner's NBA Awards show is tonight, so
we will find out who the NBA Award winners are
as you mentioned for m v P for Coach of
the Year or Rookie of the Year. Any predictions, uh
in these yes, all of the awards will reflect the
regular season, which makes no sense that we announced them

(01:54:58):
after the postseason, considering it's two different seasons of basketball.
And we'll all kind of roll our eyes because you know,
it's the NBA making a little bit more money even
though there's no games being played. Get out there and pressed.
Which gives me my final rant, which is, we gotta
stop doing this. We just do baseball does this as well.

(01:55:19):
Let's have an award show for our regular season after
our postseasons done. You end up actually minimizing the value
of these awards by giving out these awards in an
effort to kind of popularize them, Like Jhani Sintenna COOPO
is gonna win the m v P, or maybe James Harden,
but he's not the best player, and you're gonna say, well,

(01:55:40):
he had the best year because his team had the
best record, or maybe his coach Mike Budenozer gets Coach
of the Year. But Nick Nurse's team won the title,
and you know it didn't even take them seven games
to take down the Bucks, and Kawhi Leonard was the
better player in that series. And I understand these are
for I'm fully aware these are regular seasons. So give

(01:56:03):
him out before the postseason or early on in the postseason.
Think about how much more powerful that is when Janice
takes the court at Boston Gardener, he takes the court
um in Toronto. Hey, this is the m v P,
and while we're at it, it should be punishable, maybe
not by death, but by canning. When you're chanting m

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v P for somebody who has no shot of actually
winning the m v P. I'm talking to you Detroit
fans in regards to Blake Griffin. We'll be back tomorrow.
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