Doug Stands By His Adrian Beltre Comments

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You're listening to What Up It's Not Gotta Leaves show,
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I'm gonna get to why Colin Kaepernick won't be a
member of the Baltimore Ravens, even though it is the
most likely destination for him in just a moment. First,
so let me get at a hack New York Post
sportswriter Mike Vicaro, who just came at me and now

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he's gonna feel the wrath. Here's why I've I've simply
retweeted out my thoughts and feelings and wonderment about the
incredible accomplishments of Adrian Beltrey that happened culminated Sunday when
he got his three thousand hit. I wondered aloud. Three
thousand hit guy whose production has not dropped off at

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all into his mid and now late thirties, being one
member of the Texas Rangers, the one organization responsible for
the most suspensions in Major League Baseball, granted hitters park, uh,
but also a guy of Dominican background and a guy
whose career home run numbers spiked in Dodger Stadium in
a contract year. Was there the d Gordon effect? Hey,

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a contract year. Do I do a couple of things
so my numbers spike? Or is he just elastic? Is
he the one guy who can somehow defeat Father Time,
who I was always told was undefeated. I offered up
statistical data showing that there is a propensity for Dominican

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players to test positive for p E d S. I
did not make it up. I did not do the research.
I simply provided the context for the discussion, which of
course spirals into Texas ranger guy, you don't like us,
which is spirals into Michael Young, former Texas ranger, you
don't know what you're talking about because he's an awesome guy,
which spirals into Mike Vicaro, who says, also, if one

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college BASKETBA player steals his roommates credit cards, then all
college athletes are thieves. First of all, Mike, could you
at least at the story, right, I never stole my
roommates credit cards. It was twenty years ago. And oh yeah,
by the way, if there was a litany of feed
of fievery from college athletes at one school or throughout
all of college basketball, throughout all of college sports, college

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basketball players were doing something and there was a higher
statistical It wasn't a statistical anomaly, right, there was there
were stats to point out that basketball players or football
players or baseball players or more likely to steal, or
more likely to rape, or more likely to commit some
sort of crime than Yeah, we would we would wonder
allowed if all basketball players are doing this? And oh yeah,

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by the way, if you're gonna get the story right,
let's get it right. Guys like Mike Mcarro, Guys like
other sports writers that didn't have the balls to point
out that these guys were using steroids in the nineties
were one of the written early twenty one century with
the reason we got here to begin with. The problem
is not me. The problem is guys like you who
didn't question, hey, how is Sammy Sosa gone from a

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platoon player to the most dangerous home run hitter in
all of sport? Like look, I think Rick Riley kind
of looked like a clown when he went to ESPN.
I think there's some things that he did that were
really clownish. But you know what the best thing ever
did was he brought a cup and gave it to
Sammy soson said why don't you pee in it? If
you're really not using anything. And we made fun of

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Rick Riley and he was right. So Mike karl One,
get the story right to take some sort of accountability
for the steroid era, which you and many of your
brethren looked the other way. Come at the King at best,
not miss all right, let's get to Colin Kaepernick. What
you read would lead you to believe the Baltimore Ravens

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are a friendly home for and I have said time
and again if there's a place to which he can
play in the NFL, when you have Greg Roman in
the offensive room, who he played for his offensive coordinad
with the with the Niners, if you have John Harbaugh,
who he has a long standing relationship with and played
for his brother, and you have a team who's coming
off a dis ap pointing season with a quarterback coming

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off an a c L and now a back injury.
You're going to need a viable backup. You're going to
need somebody to take some snaps. And then you have
an owner that's like, well, I don't know, we got
a crowdsource here. Do we want him? They're obviously thinking
about it, it seems, and when you read the quotees
like man that would be a that would be a
welcome place for him. I have a quote which will

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end any of this speculation, and I don't make this.
I don't determine whether that the league wants in the
league determines whether or not the league. The value of
a player in the eyes of the NFL are simply
established by the NFL, nobody else. Terrell sucks. Hell yeah,
he's gonna help us win. We have no issue not
in this locker room. Hell yeah, we want him, Ladarius

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Squib I'd love to have him challenge some other quarterbacks.
We all know Joe is our guy. We love Mallet,
but yeah, we would all love competition around here to
make everybody better. Let's hear from Joe Flacco. Last week
he said I'd like to see Colin back in the
NFL at some point, maybe get another shot to be
a starter. I wouldn't like that to be here. I
don't want him to get another shot to be a
starter here. But yeah, he can come here and have

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some fun. I think it would be a good spot
for him. That is not a resounding come on, dude,
we want competition at quarterback. Joe Flacco has already fought
off people who have said, is he really elite? For years?
Joe Flacco was not great last year. Joe Flacco does
have a bad back, did hurt his need two years ago,
and he is working for an offensive coordinator that he

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has not seen postseason success with. The last thing he
wants is a quarterback that has a that has success
in the postseason to come in and give him competition.
Nony like, this is not linebacker where you can put
a couple out in the field. This is not high
school where he man this guy wins. This is the NFL.

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The guy who at the time he signed his contracts
on the biggest contract in the history of the NFL
after winning a Super Bowl, does not want Colin Kaepernick,
whom he says was like, yo, if he can help
us win, he helps us win, because you know what
that morphs into we four week five, Flacco's backs hurting,
his knees, still not right, the offense isn't matriculating the
ball down the football field. And you know why don't

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we give Colin Kaepernick a shot? You know who doesn't
want that? Joe Flacco? And you know what, you want
to be a guy to be supremely self confident Joe Flacco.
So all these quotes sound great, man, we want him
in here with welcome plained. Yeah. Competition, by the way,
they're talking about competition, not at their position. It's not

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like Terrell Suggs is like, oh wait, competition in my spot.
No, no no, no competition of offense, sure or fine whatever,
Ladarius Web, Yeah, we'd love to challenge some other some
of our other quarterbacks. Remember, Kaepernick wants to be a starter,
and I would grant you that all quarterbacks want to
be a starter, otherwise there's something wrong with their wiring.
And he's probably talented enough to beat out Ryan Mallett

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and be that backup, but that's not what he wants.
Flacco knows that's not what he wants. And Flacco doesn't
want him sitting there chopping at the bid and any
portion of the population, any portion of Raven Nation, saying,
you know, maybe we should give call in a shot.
No starting quarterback wants that. And so while it makes

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sense on paper because he has Rabbis in the room,
he has people like John Harbaugh through Jim Harbaugh, like
Greg Roman, and others on the defensive side of the ball,
like Yo, man, give him a shot. Why not? The
only voice that really matters is Joe Flacco. He's your guy,
he's your franchise quarterback, he's your super Bowl winning quarterback,

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and he's like, I love for him to get a shot,
just not here. It's the nicest compliment in the world,
but it really isn't a resounding Bring him aboard. Let's
go and spin it and see who's better. That ain't
the way it works. By the way, I've been called
now a xenophobe by um By Beamoni Jones. Yeah, what

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look Bemani has if in his in his stack of
fifty two cards, you know, instead of having four aces
and four deuces and four threes, those are there's a
lot more race cards in there to play in Bamani's
deck of cards. And xenophobe is a nice way of
saying you're a racist, which I'm not because since two
thousand five, fifty four players have been suspended in Major

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League Baseball, twenty of them are from the Dominican Republic.
But I'm the racist for pointing out a stat and
wondering aloud if what we're seeing is reality. That's all
I'm asking. It's all I'm asking because That's what really
smart people do. They question things. The question things, especially
when we have a history of falling into that trap.

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It's no different than when you see a preacher on
Sunday morning, right, or you hear a preacher on the radio, like, man,
I like this guy, but you start to wonder, is
this guy shaking down his congregation so that he can
drive the lords Mercedes Benz. That's not my Mercedes Bens.
That the Lord's Mercedes Bens. You hear preacher's sleeping with
their flock, and you start to wonder, is this guy
for real? I want to believe. I want to believe

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that it's the real, complete deal, that Adrian Beltrey comes
out of the steroid era and as clean as a whistle,
and that he's maintained his body, he's maintained his focus.
He's gone from dead ballparks like Dodger Stadium and Safeco
into a live ballpark like Ranger Park, and he's continued

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to not have any sort of drop off into his
mid or late thirties. But I'm not allowed to wonder allowed. Okay,
that's xenophobia. When you have stats to help you wonder allowed,
I'm that guy sometimes when you're young, you'll say something
you think is really really smart, really really good. But

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Sports radioh some Guy Need Jonathan Wagner. Everything has been said.
I'd want to say, terrible journalism. I'd like to see
you throughout a first pitch bet put you to shame. Okay,
first of all, I'm not a journalist. I'm not I'm
a sports radio host. I'm a journalist. If I do

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a if I write a piece, uh to which you
have to have good journalism, or if I'm investigating something
that journalism, I'm sorry that you're not understanding of what
I'm asking, what I'm saying. Let me speak in clear sentences.
No one has ever said Adrian Beltrey is unequivocally a

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juicer Pedrodriguez was a juicer. Uh me, like most people
think Bazza was a user, right, Um, Roger Clemens was
a juicer. Barry Bonds was the juicer. But when I
see Adrian Beltrey in his late thirties, have no drop
off in production like I've been through my late thirties. Um,

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I like, Oh, my wife wouldn't say the same, but
there's been some drop off in production. A alright, you
know what I'm saying. Listen, it's father time undefeated. And
then when you factor in some of the other markers,
you have to wonder aloud, big spike early in his
career during contract your Otherwise the numbers now are consistent

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or even a little bit better then when he was
in his twenties. Doesn't seem to make sense. Players are
not fine wines. What's changed in baseball is when you
took greenies out, as well as steroids and p e
d s out. Generally, the drop off was quick in
some angel once they got to the thirties. I'm I'm

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making this up. There's a reason that rosters are compiled
of younger and younger players. There's a reason that the
free agency market isn't as isn't as well regarded as
it was in the past, especially for hitters, but even
for pictures. You can't cheat father time. But throwing out

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a first I don't. I'd like to see you throughout
a first pitch. I throw a first pitch at the
Big A. You guys know this. Um it. One of
the bullpen catchers caught it. He asked me if I
can hang around and stay in the bullpen and maybe
give Sosha an inning or two that night. I told
him I had dinner plans, so I could not. UM
even if I couldn't throw out a first pitch, which

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I can, even if I throw or through it doesn't.
That has nothing to do with the basis of the argument,
which is, look, there's a high density of positive tests
from players from the Dominican Republic. He's now the most
decorated and successful player in the d R and we

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see no drop off in his thirties. He's for the
plans for the Texas Rangers that have had five players
suspended since two thousand five, more so than any other team.
I'm just wondering, that's it. That's not journalism, that's sports radio.
We speculate, we wonder we wonder whether I don't know
where Kyrie Irving is gonna go, but I speculate. I wonder,

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I don't know what happens with Lebron James, if Lebron
James changes. But one of the things I do when
I wonder, if Lebron James moves to Lakers, can he
win a championship in his first year? Why do I
went wonder that? Well, when he went to Miami, he
didn't win a championship in his first year. When he
went to Cleveland, didn't win a championship in his first year.
He goes to Lakers if he doesn't win a championship
in his first year. Now he's thirty five years old. See,
I have actual stats and data to point out a

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certain part of the argument, which is exactly the same
as P E. D S. Just because you like Adrian
Beltrain seems like a good dude and a really good player,
and he he's like some star that we didn't recognize
or something. Okay, I've been fooled before by other guys
like David Ortiz got pop for pds To this day,
he's like, I don't know, want to test the positive

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for Okay, Well, why don't you just show us a
positive test, show us your physical from that year, then
we can tell you. You can tell us where you
got it from. Like oh suddenly, okay, you know, Like
how much do you believe Adrian bell Tray? I don't know,
but Aaron Rodgers believe Ryan Braun to the point where
he was willing to wager his salary on Twitter with

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some fan. You remember that, right they own a restaurant together.
He's like, this is my dude. No way. Ryan Brown
was like, no way, he got some guy from FedEx fired.
We have him the collection agency or whatever. Ryan Brown
was a phony. He was a fraud. Even if you
do know, even if you do know Adrian Beltray, like

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you don't know Adrian Beltrey as well as Aaron Rodgers
knows Ryan Braun, and even Aaron Rodgers who knew Ryan
Brown well was fooled. That's the part. Like Lance Armstrong
was he had how many people had lives strong, braceless?
I did, right, And what'd you tell yourself? No way

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a dude who survives cancer, No way he beat cancer.
There's no way he would dope. Okay either. Lance Armstrong
was the greatest athlete of all time, because he went
from not winning a tour to winning seven tours, and
everybody on the tour was doping, Like he's not doping,
everybody else is, and coming off of cancer, he beats everybody.

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Or he was just the best doper the dopers, that's all.
But we got so tired with lude. Look who he
does for cancer and beat cancer. So they got one nut. Dude.
He's awesome, like he's our guy from Texas's dating Sheryl Crow.
He's awesome, Like, Okay, he might be awesome or and
there could be an end to it. Adrian Belt could

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be the greatest player ever. David Ortis could be the
greatest guy of Andy Pettitt, by all accounts, is a
great human being. Andy Pennant was a doper. Padrod Riguez
beloved baseball player doper just because you uh risk the
validity of your stats, Okay, and you're willing, you know

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you're willing to risk everything for twenty million, thirty million
dollars more in your career fifty million dollars more career
doesn't make you the worst human doesn't make you a
bad human being. Means put somebody who who values money
for your family, for your kids for your Frankly, it's
grandkid generational changing money that these guys made Like that

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doesn't make you the worst human being on earth, makes
you flawed. We're a flawed fla. Um. There's an expression,
youth has wasted on the young. Jamal Adams is young,
twenty one years old and uh he um. He said

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this at jets camp. I can speak for a lot
of guys that play the game UM. You know, we
live and breathe and this is what this is where
we're so passionate about UM. Literally, I wouldn't if I
had a perfect place to die, I would die on
the field. I would be at peace. And that's so

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much sacrifice that we go through UM as a team
and just just connecting as one and winning ball games.
There's nothing like playing the game of football. Nothing, There's
nothing like playing the game for But there's also nothing
like UM. Having children. There's nothing like watching those children
graduate from any different level kindergarten, elementary, junior, high school,
high school. UM. There's nothing like kissing your girl for

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the first time, meeting the woman of your dreams, having grandkids.
I'm sure it's amazing like all these things, like one
place I can big to die is on a football field,
Like that's one of those ones, like at the moment,
like like that's actually probably the dumbest statement ever. I love.
I've said that I love basketball man, love it, love love,

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love love who and I wouldn't mind going on a
basketball court. But I'm like nineties six, right, Like if
I was playing against my great grandkids and I was
going to die the next day of cancer or something
like that, right, or like my life was just an
expired I played one last pickup game like nineties six
years old, and I had I had gone through check
the box of like every different thing I want to

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do in life, Like yeah, it's not bad, and I'm
not bad. It's just that he's twenty one years old.
He doesn't know anything, so I'd like to be critical
of him, but he's he's not smart enough to know
what he doesn't know, right that it's really smart people
know enough to know what they don't know. People who

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are young and not as intelligent don't know what they
don't know and don't want to learn what they don't know,
you know, And then there's this um justin sters lick
because I'm type strelsa the wife of former Pittsburgh Steeler's

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offensive lineman Justin Strelsack, criticized comments made by Jamal Adams
that were interpreted as being insensitive towards c T E. Quote.
I don't even know what to say. This guy Adams
doesn't know what's coming down the pipeline. He has no
idea what somebody with CT is. Like, Okay, did he
mention CD? Did I di miss that? Like we're so sensitive?

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This is actually not that far afield from the age
in Beltray discussion. Right. I never said he unequivocally used
the juice or bowlet or cream or whatever else they're doing,
because whoever they're doing, they're probably one step ahead of
the testing. I simply wonder, allowed, Hey, there's some things
there than which, like, man, it's really impressive what he's
been able to do in his thirties. I under But

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what it's taken, what the context becomes is I'm accusing
a guy with no knowledge of and somehow what does it?
Bamony Jones call me a xenophope, Like, I'm impressed by
anybody who can use a word that starts with an
X in a sentence and use it correctly. Mike. I
that's great because I do remember a xylophone was an
X and xavier. Xenophobe. I haven't been called before, but

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it's a new one to me, and it's impressive that Bamani,
who has impressive vocabulary to begin with, is able to
basically call me a racist without calling me a racist
using the word xenophone. That's cool, um, but that's not
being a xenophoone, just like this is not. Somehow Jamal
Adams said something stupid, but he didn't bring up anything

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about CT. He didn't say if I'm going to suffer
brain damage, I hope it's on a football field, a right.
That's not what he said. He's like, he just he
got caught up in the moment, like, Yeah, if I'm
gonna die anywhere, I'm gonna die right here. That's one
of those things that sounds good and then you stop
and go like did I really say that? Thirty five
year old Jamal Adams is gonna look back at twenty

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one years old, twenty one year old Jamal Adams and
be like, Yo, dude, did you really say that? Yeah?
YEAHT is so much better than twe I'm forty one
years old, I can tell you, like I love, I
had a really good teenage teenage years. Twenties were great,
thirties were great. Like they just you keep getting more
experience and more interesting thing and meet more interesting people.
You have different perspective on stuff, and even when stuff goes,

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things go bad at work or things don't go your
way and politics or life like, all of these experiences
make you wiser and make you appreciate your time on
this planet. But he's twenty one. You don't know anything.
And Justin Strelsa's wife, God bless Kiana McMahon. You know

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she went through hell. Nine months after they divorce, Strelzi
died a fiery head on crash with a tanker truck.
He led to Stay Troopers in a forty mile highway
chase like he had CT. It was bad, her pain,
her anguish over her husband going through her X husband
going through CT. In no way relates to Jamal Adams

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being a young, immature idiot. Martelle is Bennett. I hope
all these young cats are willing to die for the game,
find higher purpose in life. It's well put, I love football.
You want to die out there? Like Nah, that's like
one of those things you say but you don't really mean. Yeah, man,
I gotta die anywhere to be a football feed Like

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do you really mean that? Like yeah, really not really.
I love my job. This is a great job. You
get to talk junk talk sports, catch up my boys.
Ramos is like the happiest, nicest guy in the world.
Music knows exactly how to push my buttons to get
me talking about things. Cindy Kat's books, the show, that
great stuff, Rob Nikovic coming up, Like, I agree, you

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want to die right there? And radio and Nope, nope,
I want to die the beach late nineties, maybe in
my maybe hit Triple digits, grandkids running around, Nope, nope,
we'll die here. Or I can think of one place
to go, like I again, not the place i'd go, Fiji.

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That's a place Biji surrounded by like beautiful, beautiful women
and children and all that stuff. Yeah, let's have a
real dream here, like, um, was it? Paul Walker? And
Paul Walker died tragically in a racing his Porsche, a
million dollar Porsche on the street. It's an irony to it, right,
guy in a movie Fast and Furious dies and the

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fiery crash, real crashing like, oh, I've heard people all
if Paul Walker can go anywhere, it'd be right there,
like no, you would not. No, No, he didn't make
all that money so that he could just like die
in a fiery crash and not. No, there's no Paul
Paul Walker sitting up there. Hopefully the pearly gates be like, no, dude,
I would so much rather be down there right now,

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starring in movies driving those cars. No, no, thanks to
two times Super Bowl champion. Rob Nikovich is gonna join
us up coming next Why did he walk away? He
had some in the tank. We'll ask him after we
find out what's trending. Mm hmmmmmmm mm hmm. Rob Nikovich

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is gonna join us. So he just retired after eleven
seasons right one. Two super bowls are doing the Patriots
and uh uh. Bill Belichick said it was mixed emotions
when he heard it started three years old. Um, Nikovich
has gone kind of gone through. If you saw the
retirement press conference, like all the defense showed up. Super

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respected guy. But here would be my take on Ninkovich. Okay,
so what round was he drafted in? Boys? You were
don't look it up. Do you remember him probably don't remember.
I don't remember him. Perdue was back when Purdue used
to be a good football programmer. Do you guys know
what led to Purdue. I think he was on the
cow Wharton team. Cal Orton was their quarterback. They were undefeated.

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Ah he tried to scramble and make a play against
the Wisconsin or Ohio State big fumble, and like that,
Purdue team collapsed, struggled the rest of the year, and
Joe Tiller never again had a cow Warton or Drew Brees.
As that the league kind of adjusted to their style.
They were the first ones to come into the come
into college, coming too the Big Ten and starts throwing

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the ball around fifty times a game when they had
Drew Brees. Anyway, like Perdue at the time was competing
atop the Big ten. Nankovic was there at the time,
but fifth round draft pick. And so here's the way
you kind of look at it. I don't think he's
a gonna be a Hall of Famer, right all right, No, man,

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he was. He was a very good college football player.
He was never at all pro I don't think he
was ever even a Pro Bowl. But the way to
look at it is like this. My seventeenth wedding anniversaries
upcoming is the first twelve days for eleven days. Yeah,
it's on the twelve eleven days, right, you don't count
the day here. It's like when you're sitting at the

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stoplight and people just like, yeah, you going six lights up?
You take it right. This is back before we had phones.
We used to ask for people for directions. Actually, guys
winn extra directions. When faction for directions, guys be like
no, no no, no, I know, I'm going anyway, six likes up,
go to the right. Do I count the light that
I'm at when I'm speaking to you? The answer is no,
So anyway, in eleven days on August twelve is my

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seventeenth winning anniversary. And I had a buddy, his name
is Pete Gennessini over at the ESPN. We have that
we share the same anniversary, and he would send he
sends me a note every year congrats. I don't know
what year it is, but whatever year it is, you
hit the over right. It's like seventeen, do you make

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it to f T I don't know, but you hit
the over and in marriage and I hit the bonus
with my wife, so whatever, Rob ninkovit, whatever you think
of his career, he hit the over. What he was
able to get out of his body, what he was
able to get out of himself in the NFL is
greater than anybody could have possibly thought, likely when he

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was a fifth round pick out of Purdue back in
two thousand and six. Which is really like the greatest
complement you can give to people music. I wanted you
to come to UFC to four Saturday night. Probably should
ask Ramos. I just had. I got a second ticket

(27:43):
at a very very late moment. But one of the
things I determined is, what's the Do you guys know
who the ring announcer was for the UFC to fourteen?
Can you guys looked that up? The guy who he
does the It's not it's not like a Michael Buffer
type thing. He was amazing and at some point I'd
like him to either in reduced me every day when
I walk into the building or just once on radio

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and then we recorded and run it back. I mean,
he was unbelievable. Unbelievable, I mean the way in which
he made all of these fighters seem and feel like
that's all you could ever hope for. In life is somebody, friends, relationship,
bosses that make you. It was Bruce Buffer. Bruce Buffer

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was he was amazed. Bruce Buffer had his a game
on Saturday night. Did Bruce Buffer has to live close right?
But one no chance his name is actually Bruce Buffer.
It's like probably Bruce Lowenstein or something like that, right,
and he's got to live in the valley. He's gotta
live really close to here, and I want him once
in my life to introduce me. It was he was amazing.

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That was the thing that jumped out of me. Was like,
he is amazing. He's amazing, amazing. According to the always
credible Wikipedia, Bruce Anthony Buffer born Tulsa, Oklahoma. Tulsa, Oklahoma.
His name is really Buffer according to Wikipedia, huh really

(29:16):
his names? Does he live in the valley? He's gotta
live in the valley, undisputed, undefeated? What heavyweight champion of
the World Daniel DC. I was like, dude, I want
to fight And then I was like, no, I really
don't want to fight John Jones, No thanks, But for
a moment there I was like, it was he's amazing,

(29:37):
He's amazing. Once in your life. You have to Every
person has to be introduced by Bruce Buffer. That's that's
my new that's I have a new life goals, right,
Like life goals were, marry a woman that's much better
looking than my level. Did that? Accomplish that? Impregnant her
three times right? College scholarship done, Professional basketball done, National

(29:59):
rate YEO show done, do do TV sports done, College
basket with TV done, Final Four done, Selection Sunday done.
Moved the Fox in l A done. Done back in
Orange County done. All those things done. New life goals Okay.
I like to maintain as much hair as possible into
the forties possibility okay, and I would like to be

(30:22):
introduced by Bruce Buffer at some point a matter of fact,
uh if we're still doing this in my fiftieth birthday.
So I want a fiftieth birthday party everybody I know
and only the people I like, which is like ten
people know. There's been lots of people, big birthday party, okay,
and then I'm going to arrive um a little bit late,

(30:43):
and I'm gonna be introduced by Bruce Buffer. Maybe amazing.
I mean, I wish I knew him. Like my fortieth birthday,
I just I celebrated at home with my kids, but
even they would have been impressed. Amazing. That guy is
so good at his job. It's crazy, massive, massive respect

(31:04):
for Bruce Buffer. Massive respect one time in my life.
And then I want Ramos to be introduced by Bruce.
Do you have any idea what he was talking what
he would probably charge for services. It's gotta be thousand,
it's gotta be it's gonna be a lot when we
can research it. I'm sure there's somebody that knows, like what, like,

(31:25):
what does it Bruce Buffer make? I don't know, but
I'm I like, this is there's no like a lot
of times I'm sarcastic and I don't like to kiss
people's behind like he was awesome. He was awesome. I
was like, I want that guy to introduce me. You
know what I want? I want like sometime like you know,
you have date night with your wife and she kind
of takes it for granted that he took her out,

(31:46):
like hold on, wait, do you know who you're dealing with?
Hold on, Bruce? And then he introduced you and like
all of a sudden, she's like, well, I'm kind of
with somebody special Bruce Buffer. It was amazing once in
my life. Gonna get that done. We'll find out how
much Bruce Buffer charges. Plus Cam Chancellor held out two
years ago. Now he got paid. Who does he make more?

(32:08):
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it out today doug out the show Fox Sports Radio.
This is how we do when it's Friday night. Montell

(32:29):
Jordan's right, that's affirmative. Montell Jordan's also had returned to
the Macca. Believe those are the only two things I
know about Montell Jordan's. With that, we dig into my sack.
Let's reach into godly sack, Mark Morrison, And that's right,

(32:52):
Mark Morrison, my dad, uh buyer. Somebody named Stacy gos Stulius,
who writes about baseball for Baseball pro Fan rag now
tweeting me that basically accusing Adrian Beltree of taking steroids.

(33:15):
No no, no, not even basically simply wondering about the
non drop off in production in the thirties. You cover baseball,
you should ask yourself the same question so we don't
make the same mistakes twice. It's like with smart people
that shame was it fool me once? Shame on you.

(33:37):
Fool me twice? Shame on me? Right? What is the
matter with these writers? They're like, I don't don't do
it like we just happened like fifteen years ago. We're
all like home run Chase, home run Chase, home run
Chase seventeen years ago. Actually I remember eighteen years ago?

(33:57):
What do you got there? By? Oh, let's see, we've
got Rob Nikovich? No, just kidding, um, actually I do.
I'm just gonna move him till about thirteen minutes from now.
Is that cool? Rob is gonna let's see what you
remember when Purdue was good? Oh? Yeah, do you remember
the Ordon play? Yeah? Against Wisconsin? The helicopter? Was that

(34:17):
a helicopter play? Did he try in a helicopter? He
was that? He tried to dive for you say dove
or do you say dive? I think I said dive. Yeah,
I think I'd go dive. No, no, dive, But you
say like dived, I said dived. Just I don't know
if what I think dived is actually the correct way,
even though dove I feels like the right way. What

(34:38):
he got bio? What's gamer today? I used Dove Soap. No,
just kidding, Um, We've got just Got paid? This one
the dust off of this one Got Paid night. Well
we know Cam Chancellor just got paid. That's all another
nineties song. Yeah. I also like the in sync cover
of of Just Got Paid Fire. Cam Chanceller is gonna

(35:01):
get a three or extension with thirty six million dollars.
So in that extension, Doug, it's gonna average out to
about twelve million dollars per season average. So let's find
out if Cam Chancellor makes more or less than these players,
with the the line being twelve million dollars. So I'll
give you the player. You tell me if Cam or

(35:22):
that player actually makes more. Okay, alright, let's start. Let's
start out with the National Football League Packers wide receiver
Jordy Nelson. Does Cam Chancellor Cam Chancellor? Yes, Cam Chancer
does make more than Jordy Nelson. Jordy Nelson nine point
to five million dollars, so Cam Chancellor would pass that

(35:44):
easily with this twelve million. Let's jump into Major League Baseball.
What about Giants picture Medicine bum Garner who makes more? No, actually,
on an average salary, Madison bum Garner makes eleven point
six million dollars in the season. So yeah, but NFL

(36:05):
players aren't. They don't get big contracts that they did
it anyway, Go ahead, No, that's all right. Twenty I
should say twenty seventeen season. That's where we are. The
NBA is eighteen season, So let's move there. What about
Lakers guard Jordan Clarkson. Does Cam Chancellor and his twelve
million dollars a year make more or less than Jordan Clarkson?
Who makes more or less? Jordan Clarkson, he makes slightly more. No,

(36:29):
it's Cam Chancellor who makes slightly more. Jordan Clarkson at
eleven point five million dollars, Cam Chancellor at twelve million.
What about Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Julio Jones, he makes
less You know your NFL Doug eleven point five million
dollars for the Falcons wide outs. Let's jump back to
Major League Baseball Indians closer Andrew Miller less dougs on

(36:56):
a streak, Cam Cam would make more than Andrew Miller
if that's what you meant, twelve million dollars to Andrew
Miller's nine million dollars. How about back into the NBA
Pistons forward Tobias Harris. Does Cam Chancer make more or
less less? Oh? You know that? Sixteen million dollars for

(37:17):
Tobias Harris. Some of these names are crazy. What about
Cubs out fielder Jason Hayward, Oh he makes less? CAM does?
Or Jason Hayward Cam makes less? Oh? Yes, you know that.
The reason I brought it up because Jason Hayward's contract
is so ridiculous. It's well, it's the greatest thing ever
for the St. Louis Cardinals. Right, he's got a hole
in his swing. Great guy, good fielder, got a hole

(37:38):
in his swing. Never gonna look that. You can't give
the money he makes for he's a he's an eight hitter.
He's an eighth hitter on a good team. Twenty six
million dollars. I just brought it up for that fact. Okay,
who makes more? Cam Chancellor or Ram's wide receiver Tavon
Austin Cam Chancer. Tamon Austin making fifteen million dollars this

(38:02):
upcoming season compared to just Cam's twelve final It's not
money well spent by the Rams, by the Scat. For
a SCAT wide receiver, you came small even I may
be giving away the answer by doing this. Okay, but
Hawks center Miles plum Ly, Okay, who makes more Atlanta

(38:22):
Hawks center Miles palm Lely or Seahawks safety Cam Chancellor
Atlanta Hawks center who Miles Plumbly moles plumbing? That is correct?
Twelve point four million dollars for the next upcoming NBA season. Well,
Cam Chancer will make twelve million dollars per season in

(38:42):
his new extension. And that's that was Scott lead Sack.
Here's a fun fact. Do you guys know the fact
the Atlanta Hawks made the playoffs ten consecutive years? You
guys know that a decade straight? Did you know that
they're probably the worst team in the NBA? Now they
have no I mean it, they have gone. They have
gone to straight tank mode and like nobody has mentioned it,
nobody's paying attention to it. From a team that made

(39:05):
that made the Eastern Conference finals a couple like three
or four or three years ago, and now they've gone
from ten con secretive years too, they're completely dumping things.
Uh oh, A Texas Ranger calls me out because I
didn't play in the major leagues, and Rob Nikovich joins
us next in the Dug Outlip Show, What Up to

(39:27):
doug Otlip Show? Fox Sports Radio, Coming to you from
the City of Angels. Um, yeah, Jamal Adams said something really,
really stupid, but he's twenty one years old. Who didn't
say stupid things? And they're twenty one years old. He
also did not say anything about ct S. Don't freak
out when he said, you know, well, I could die

(39:48):
anywhere be writer in football field. Yeah, that's a that's
a hard pass. Rob Nikovich is gonna join us in
a moment. He's super Bowl champion. I'm guessing that he
probably agrees with me, right love football Football is a
huge part of your life. But I'm gonna die in
a football field. We'll ask him about about walking away.
The Baltimore Ravens have still not signed Colin Kaepernick, and um,

(40:11):
I read you a quote from Joe Flacco that to
me says they're not going to sign him. We'll get
into that. Dodgers continue to kind of pile onto the
rest of baseball, like, yeah, we know we're like forties something,
forty three games above. You know we're gonna do. We're
gonna go add the best arm available. And now the
Yankees and Red Sox. You're like, they're the warriors. No,

(40:33):
they're the warriors. No, they're the war Like Dave, wait,
do you what Dave Dombrowski had to say about the
New York Yankees Of all people to question somebody else
adding salary and adding personnel, Dave Dombrowski. Dave Dombrowski buys,
he's he's a Nortys shopper in those Norty's Nordstrom's anniversary

(40:55):
still still going on. But Nordstrom is like super super
high end. You go back Miami and wakes back with
Marlin's Detroit and now with the Red Sox like that.
Dude does not shop on the discount rack like the
rest of us. He's not going to order some rack.
He's not going to Ross, right, He's going to noughties
and and and as soon as things come available. Um,

(41:17):
let's uh, I mean I go. Dave Dombrowski came out
and like, oh, the Yankees they add they go and
add um they're going add a, you know, a great
arm and so the Yankees somehow are the warriors. Right.

(41:38):
That was actually uttered by Dave Dombrowski. That's a weird
one to me, it's a super weird one to me, Like,
this is Dave Dombrowski, who, Hey, remind me, did they
go get Chris Sale in the offseason? They did? They
did David Price right, pretty high high end talent right
when he was in Detroit, Like, weren't the ones justin

(42:00):
Berlin our biggest contract in baseball for picture of time?
That was him, wasn't it was it? Yeah? I when
you go back and you look at wherever he's been,
that's a guy that has paid top dollar for top talent,
and like it's kind of no secret, like I spend
money what it is? He's basically like you roll up
on a woman who drives a range Rover and has

(42:23):
you know, has a Louis bag and has beautiful heels
and a beautiful dress, and then like you're like, hey,
you know what, I'm gonna take you shopping? Don't expect
her to go anywhere other than like high end retailer. Like, look,
I'm high maintenance. That's who I am. That's who. That's
who Dave Dombrowski is. Daidan Dobrowski is not nickel and
diming you like rightly like the a's will or like

(42:45):
other organizations, will you hire him? You know that's exactly
what they're going after. So um, I'm fascinated about what
happens with the Yankees. Now. We knew they needed to
add arms, and they did, and they're a team that
you look at what they've been able to put together.
They did change their lineup. They've won seven or last eight.

(43:05):
Matt Holiday, who I think it's gonna join us at
half past the hour. He was gonna join us in
fifteen minutes, and then he's like, I gotta stretch in
fifteen minutes, you canna join his half past the hour.
They moved Holiday down to fifth. You can see an
allergic reaction in Oakland. It cost him a couple of weeks.
This is a guy the low point of his career
was Oakland. So maybe he's just allergic to Oakland. I'm

(43:26):
not really sure. And then you know, Sunny Gray is
gonna go over the first thing. He's gonna put his
arm around and go like, I've been there, brother, I've
been there. So we'll catch up with Matt Holiday half
past the hour. But Yankees now first place in the
Al East, fifty seven and forty seven and loading up
for Bear getting Sunny Gray as they're starting to get healthy. Um,

(43:47):
they got a six six guy rotation right now, and
you added Sunny Gray. And and then you have the
Dodgers who have what seven starters now, and really they
got seven starters, yet we got the highest payroll. That's okay,
we're gonna add you, Darvish. Sure, why not. It's an
embarrassment of riches is what the Dodgers have. And like

(44:07):
not all teams, it's not always the right time to
go all in. Perfect example is last year. The remark
most remarkable story in baseball to me is what the
Yankees have done in the last six months. Like you
go back to this time last year and people like, wow,
they're just selling off. Remember they to Share retired early.
Then they basically forced a Rod retire early. Then they

(44:29):
trade away Andrew Miller, they traded away um or all
this Chapman they end up getting back, and they just
went and loaded up on prospects, prospects, prospects. Let's really
let's reload our our farm system. Then they call up
and Aaron Judge, you got called up last year and
didn't do anything, but some of the call ups really did.

(44:50):
And obviously performed quite well. When you go back to
last year, and by the way, Judge just hit his
what was it thirty four home run last night? It
was four home run. But you know, last year was
all about Sanchez and what he was able to do.
Gary Sanchez comes in, I was like nineteen home runs
and like forties six games or something like that. I mean,

(45:13):
you know, now they've added Frazier, Judge Sanchez, and in
one year they've gone from hey, let's sell off. They
got Chapman back, and now you get Sonny Gray and
now they're in first place near allies. All right, let's
turn into the National Football League. Rob Nickovic won a

(45:34):
Super Bowl in his last game, in arguably or maybe
inarguably the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. He's called
a a career. He's kind enough to call in and
join us here on Fox Sports Radio. Rob, how are you, hey, guys,
how are you doing? I just did a little car
Washington ESPN. So it was it was definitely a fun,
fun time. Yeah, I mean I appreciate you join us
here in Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay, so why why now?

(45:56):
Why why walk away? Now? Well's I thought of football? Uh?
You know, eleven years of a defensive end. The linebackers
a long time. So I just had to be honest
with myself, look myself as the mirror. Um, I got
a four year old girl, one year old boy. I
had to think about them and uh, just how my
body was feeling. So the best, the best choice for

(46:18):
me was to um go out on my terms and
go out a champion. Not many people that get to
say that they have won their last game and for
their career, that they're ever gonna play and they want
a championship. Yeah, I mean it's a but that's a
hard thing. Like everybody says they want to go out
on top? How hard was it really to walk away
and not the allure of hey we can go do

(46:38):
it again, right? Like Brady could have walked out in time,
you know, you know the you know the bank robber
who gets a ways scott free and goes back just
that one more time and then they get put away.
You know. Like for me, I was like, I'm gonna
go on top and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
have anything that could possibly affect, you know, long term,
So like my knee or back or that you look

(47:01):
back on and you're like, man, I should have just
walked away with that Super Bowl ring, you know, enjoyed
my life. What about the what about the New York
Times article last week that that had was eleven brains,
ten of them donated to science, had seats. I think,
you know, there's a lot more research that needs to
go into that. Um. You look at the broad number

(47:22):
of of men who have played football versus the general public, um,
and there's just has to be more research on it.
I'm not a scientist, and you know, I just think
that as a whole um. You know, the number of
people that we're dealing with, family members with an issue,
knew something was wrong so that they they wanted to

(47:42):
find out what was wrong. So I think, as as
as the numbers, um could be skewed based on that.
But you know, I'm a realist. I live, um, I
think about consequences, and I lived to the fullest, and
I try to do the best that I can with
the on that that I have. And we don't know
how long we have. You know, each and every one

(48:03):
of us we're all going, but you don't know when.
So for me, it's lived life to the fullest, enjoy
my family, and uh, you know, I think they're definitely
we're investigating and how hard numbers done with the future
of you know, guys that are played football. Rob Nickovic
joining us, recently retired from the New England Patriots, a
Super Bowl champions, joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show

(48:24):
Fox Sports Radio. What's the one thing you think you'll
miss more than anything else? Sacking the quarterback? That's a
a guy getting paid to stop you and you you
can't stop him or he can't stop you. You know,
you can just get to the quarterback and that guy
is doing his best to stop you and you're getting there,
and you know the crowd is going crazy. So I'll

(48:45):
miss game days and making a play and being around
my teammates, But you know, the next day after the game,
I won't miss that at all, the way you feel, Rob,
you guys are down and like by now we've all
watched on NFL films that there was still belief on
the sideline. But I mean, have you have you had

(49:06):
the moment to process just how close you guys came
to not win. Like they take a knee after that
Julio Jones catch, They take a knee on three plays
kick a field goal. It's very hard to fathom you
guys coming back, have you, I mean it's been a while,
but have you processed just how close it came to
not happening. I mean, honestly, you look at the last

(49:28):
two Super Bowls that that we had won. There's one
play at the one yard line that is could have
been a run and what would happened? But they threw
a pass and it worked out for us. And I'm
so grateful for Malcolm and all the things that he's
done for organization and winning. And then you look at
the last one. You know, if they just run the
ball and and and kick a field goal, it's gonna

(49:50):
be uh, pretty hard to get back. So that's just
not the way it went. You know, they decided to
throw the ball, big sact holding all points for two
point version two version, bang over time we win. It's
a beautiful thing. It is. It's like a it's a
it's a it's a beautiful thing. Um, what's that feeling

(50:13):
like like when you win a Super Bowl? When you
and and people didn't think possible. And as you point out,
like even even going back to the Seattle Super Bowl,
there was this sense I was. I remember watching the
game going and they should let him score. There was
a sense of inevitability. They were going to score. Is
only matter of when. Then you talk about the Atlanta
super Bowl most recently, and people thought the game was over.

(50:35):
It was almost to the point of turning off the TV. Said,
when when you close your eyes ten years from now
and talk to those kids who at that point will
be thirteen and eleven, and you tell them what that
moments like when the confetti falls, what will you remember most.
It's all your dreams, your whole life coming through in
one moment. So you when you're a kid, do you
think about playing in a Super Bowl? Dream about that

(50:59):
and then it becomes reality. It's it's almost surreal. So
you know, for me, the first one was unbelievable, the
second one was it was a great feeling to be
a part of such an un wonderful team and the
things that we're able to do. But there's nothing like
the feeling of when your first Super Bowl. It's it's
something that you'll you'll forever. It's emotional. You you put

(51:22):
a lot of work, in hard work to get to
that point. So for me, compute complete euphoria. All Right,
I gotta ask you about something. This is. This has
gotta be your next project. You ready for it? What's that? So?
Two thousand, two thousand five, you played it perdue. You
guys are really really good. I think you're ranked fifth
in the country. Coward and goes coward In is thirt

(51:45):
and two, he goes to die for the first time.
He gets sitting by I can't remember who it was.
He fumbles, they returned for a touchdown and we lose
that game, and we lose the next three on the road. Yeah,
I'm not bringing up to poor salted Boons. But like
as as athletes, we all we remember that. Okay, that
was like the if Orton holds onto the football. I
don't know where Purdue football is now, but it has

(52:06):
fallen on a hard time since the Joe Tiller days.
All right, So that's gotta be your personal project, right
to get Purdue back. I'm not closing the door on that.
So I definitely have some options of what I'm gonna do.
I don't know exactly what, but maybe Purdue. Maybe it's
my calling to go back there. I don't know, we'll
see it's it's it's remarkable. I knew you would remember. Again,

(52:28):
wasn't meaning to. I guess pick a scab a little bit. Look,
but everybody remembers. Everybody who knows Big Ten football remembers
that moment, and people who don't don't really remember. Like,
Purdue is really really good. You guys had quarterbacks that
would spin it. Uh, you guys are fun to what
You're like the first team to really throw it in
the Big Ten? Right, Yeah, you're right. Yeah, we were
like that first spread, just like just throwing the ball

(52:49):
over the field, wing it um. Bartman got a got
a cubs Um World Series ring like the Patriots would
never did he give They gave him that. Yeah, they
get it's like a third level ring. They have like
player rings, and they have like executive rings, and they
have like slappy rings, and you got a slappy ring.
But they did give him a ring, like it's a

(53:10):
guy who has earned two rings on the football field.
How do you feel about Steve Bartman getting a ring?
I don't think it would happen with the Patriots, But no,
I mean, I'm sure that guy went through a lot,
so why not help him out a little bit so
people can't get off his back. You know, I agree, hey, man,
enjoy retirement, Enjoy those kiddos, look forward to hearing what's

(53:31):
next for you, and we appreciate you being our guest
on Fox Sports Radio. Alright, guys, take care, it's Doug
Gottlieb show here Fox Sports Radio. Funny, right, he knew exactly,
Like that's one of those deals. There's there's a Baylor
moment like that. Um what is his name? He do
me a favorite music? Um? I think was Kevin Steele

(53:53):
as a head coach of Baylor. Baylor fans remember, like
Baylor people think right now is the lowest moment and
it's embarrassing moments in Baylor football because of what appears
to have happened off the field, coaching staff, players, sexual harassment,
sexual assault, allegations against players. When Baylor saw their greatest
success in the Big Twelve in nineteen, I'm gonna say

(54:15):
might Baylor played U and l V first game of
the year in football, and you know, he was actually
pretty good back then, and Baylor was everybody thought like
this would be the year they actually be decent. They
were the doormats of the Big Twelve. They had the
game one, they were on the one yard line. One
yard line and like the waning seconds of the game.

(54:36):
So instead of just taking a knee like Falcons could
have just taken a knee in the super Bowl, just
taking a knee, they chose to hand it off, go
for the touchdown. You know, it's at home, first game
of the year. Stick the knife in them. Everybody goes
crazy and you win. Kid jumps up trying to jump
over the pile, ball gets punched out, pick it up,
return at nine yards for a touchdown. Kevin Steele never recovered.

(54:58):
The team never recovered. I think Steele was hired, and
eventually they got around to hiring our briles, who you know,
turn the thing around the football field and we know
where they are now. Like anybody who follows a program
remembers that moment, they remember the Cowart moment. Third and two,
number five, per due, number twelve, Wisconsin. Orton scrambles, gets
the first down, fumbles and lose the game, Lose the

(55:18):
next three never the same. Darryl Morey had some interesting
thoughts on the m v P award. Would he have
the same thoughts if he had the m v P.
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Sports Radio. Darryl Morey had some interesting things to say

(57:05):
on The Crossover in regards to the m v P quote.
I don't know if it's a good process. The ones
that are decided by players or executives or media, they
all have strengths and weaknesses. I honestly don't think there's
a good process. You could argue for eliminating awards altogether.
I don't really see a good way to do it.
It does it that doesn't have major issues. I like

(57:26):
clean awards. If there's not given it to be a
set criteria, there's gonna be issues on how it's structured.
For me. It Uh, it might be better to not
have it. Russell Westbrook got eight eight points in the
MVP voting. James Harden got seven three point Blake Griffin said, honestly,
we should do away with championships too. She seems dumb

(57:47):
to me. Participation trumphies for everybody, don't at me. Great
tweet by like I like Darryl Morey, I do UM.
I don't love what he's doing with the Rockets. I
like kind of what he did fast year. He's like, look,
we got James Harden, He's our guy. Let's just build
a team around him, do the best we can. They
get the third best record in the West. We're disappointing
the playoffs, and now they're kind of scrapping the analytics

(58:09):
and just let's just go get the best players we can.
We'll see if it works. Maybe it does. But the
idea that his guide if if James Harden was the
m v P, and James Harden probably should have been
the m v P one of the past three years.
I like, three years ago, all right, James Harden should
have gotten it over Steph Curry. This year I could

(58:31):
easily make I think he probably should have gotten it
over Russell Westbrook, like what because Russell Westbrook got some
more rebounds. Like James Harden's team, they didn't have any
other stars, and they were better in the regular it's
a regular season a ward. He was better than the
regular season. That's a that's a better argument than you know,
maybe we should just not have it. That's such apparent argument.

(58:53):
It's an apparent argument. Well, you know, listen, if you
can't um, if you can't keep your car clean, maybe
we just want to have your license. That's just what
we will will do there. And I understand, like he's
he's a he's a stats guy, and he's like, look,
you can look at the analytics and look what we
did here and James Harden did there. It's subjective. We

(59:17):
couldn't get out of the way of the triple double.
We just couldn't. It couldn't. But like, how are you
You're not gonna have any awards because you didn't like
the way that the MVP Award was given out, Like
should we not give this, well the sixth man a year,
Well he's not really a sixth man because you really
like a start, well the comeback play of the year. Yeah,
but he wasn't hurt that bad I mean, you can

(59:39):
make any argument against any order you want to coach
the Year. Well, is the coach the year the guy
who wins the most games or the guy who wins
more games than you're expecting him to, and so you
give him the Coach the Year award. It's very confusing.
I don't know if it's a good process. When you
say I don't know, just say what you mean. I

(01:00:00):
don't think it's a good process. I think my guy
got screwed. I oh, yeah, By the way, it doesn't
really matter. Like James Harden is gonna make what forty
seven million dollars a year on average in his new contract,
Like he's not losing any sleep at night. I mean,
he's got his number retired in a strip strip club,
for god's sake. How about that story. That's one to

(01:00:21):
which I'm not sure. I'm not not sure that I
sound like Darryl Moorey here. I'm not sure that's a
good thing music. Have you ever been a strip club guy?
I mean, have I ever been to a strip club? Yes,
but I've never really when you went to the strip club,
did you have like dollars in your mouth and your no? No,
definitely not what's a strip club guy? No, but I

(01:00:41):
have been to a strip club. This is like the
heavy spoke Mariwana like, oh, you know college, I experimented them.
It's like everybody's like so embarrassed to go like, yeah,
I went to strip clubs illegal legal to legal, like
there's no, it's okay. Um, some guys are strip club guys.
I'm not a strip club guy. Where's not It's not.

(01:01:04):
It's like going to like the world's greatest buffet and
somebody going like hey, or even even just any buffango,
like hey, but you can't eat food, huh ok and
then you don't and then you know, and I'm people
are I'm sure people saying, well you actually, if you're
pay enough, there are a place where you can't eat
the food, like now one that becomes illegal into you're

(01:01:26):
not supposed to eat. Yeah, dann buy are you you
big gentleman's club guy? And like I at least it's
probably not listening and would probably not. No. No, I'm
I'm I'm in the same boat as both John and Ryan.
There are some guys that are like they love a
good strip club. I don't get extremely awkward for me

(01:01:51):
and what would be like, yeah, yet to be there
fight like every day? Is that a guy who goes
there a lot? What would be? I don't know. There
are guys that like every time they go on the road,
like you know, like like you know, some people want
to send postcards, other people want to get a shot
glass the road. There are guys who are like, you know,
I go and I check out the Gentleman's Club and
then they'll reference like, oh, man, have you been to
I have people like you've been to Montreal? Like no,

(01:02:12):
why what's it? Likes French speaking, has got foods? Got
on the strip clubs are amazing, Like that's not really
seeing the sites. It's not kind of my my I'm
more of a foodie, Like give me a place that's
that's not crazy expensive but has unique food to the area.
I got again, I'm boring. I'm okay with You're like, oh, boring,
but I don't know if a strip club is a
good time. But also I mean I can't I would

(01:02:34):
be honestly and tell you like I'm not sure if
a club is a good time for me, right because
all the music seems like it's techno, all the people
seem like they're half my age. Theyving way way too
much fun. Like, what are you guys on, I'm not
just not I'm not feeling it. Um in the last
five years, ramost, have you been to a gentleman's club?
Not in the last five years? Music music, you're last
well five years ago, you were in the third grade.

(01:02:56):
So yeah, exactly, So I did sneak in in the
third grade. Uh, yeah, no, I've been. I went about
a year ago now, actually a little over a year
ago from my brother's bachelor party. Bachelors bachelor parties kind
kind of cliche, right, and then he went there. He
didn't bring a STRIPPERO stripper back to that. No, definitely not.
Let me no, definitely not. Your brother's just has no

(01:03:17):
game or that time sing or what's the what's the story?
I mean, we just didn't consider bringing them back to
the hotel room. It was just you go and while
you're there. I'm also not a big I think I've
only been to two bachelor parties in my entire life.
My mind and my brothers, I must not be a
good time. They must think it's too much to words stalk.

(01:03:39):
I can't think of any bachelor party I've been to.
Uh yeah, well, part of it was I lived way
away from my friends for most of my young adult life, right, Like,
I had so many friends that lived in the West Coast,
and I was either playing overseas or living outside of Bristol, Connecticut.
And so like somebody goes like, hey, you want to

(01:03:59):
go the Vegas and then once you have young kids,
you like, I just I can't be one of those
guys like, Honey, I listen, I understand that we have
like three three and under, but I'm gonna go to
Vegas and throw some throw some money in the strippers.
Matt Holiday is gonna join us up coming next. What
was the reaction in the Yankees clubhouse when they added
Sunny Gray? Find out if we find out what's trending

(01:04:20):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's check
in with Matt Holiday, who just got done stretching with
the New York Yankees. Tea. That's one I think seven
out of eight. And uh, he's recovered from what were
you allergic to? In Oakland? Um, I actually don't know

(01:04:40):
about the allergic reaction, but then I wound up with
a virus and who knows, chicken of the egg, whether
the virus was kicked in by the allergic reaction and
they were independent of one another what happened? But um,
it was a rough stretch there, mean, like, did you
have some seriously bad luck, Like for people I've had

(01:05:03):
to defend your honor. But people are last year and
when they side with the Yankees like always injury prone,
Like they got hit in the hand of the fastball
last year. That's not injury prone, that's that's target practice.
And then like this year, you're humming along, having a
really good year, and then all of a sudden, like
did you break out in a rash? Did you get
like what was the actual what? How did you know
you were allerged to something? Yeah? I was in uh

(01:05:25):
actually having breakfast and a couple of guys face was
all red and my head was red and uh real puffy,
and all of a sudden it just was really puffy
and I had and they gave me a bunch of
Ben and Drew and so I don't know, I don't
know how it happened. Like I said, I just basically
had to rash and then got a virus, and um,

(01:05:50):
who knows craziness Matt Holiday joining us on the Dugout
Lip Show. What was the reaction yesterday when you guys
found out you were getting Sunny Gray. Everyone's really excited.
You know, I think guys I thought that this might happen. Obviously,
we're all pretty tuned in with the MLB Network and
all those things that go on. You're pretty tuned in

(01:06:11):
with potential things that could happen. And there was a
strong sense, you know, it's just, uh, a deal could
be made for Sonning Gray that more than Mikeael would
be the Yankees. So the guys are exciting, and you know,
right before founding practice, it kind of got around some
of the guys are actually one of the guys that
was in the trade has been here rehabbing, and so
he was kind of saying if I uh to the

(01:06:32):
guys and and you know, I kind of spread pretty quick.
But um, it's always sad to see some of these
young kids, um, you know, kind of go. But at
the same time, you're adding a potential ace picture and
somebody that could help us win a world series, which
I think is is it likes everybody pretty excited that
you had ad a guy like Sonny. We have a

(01:06:53):
we have a really good chance of doing some cool
things that holiday, joining us on the Doug Got Leave Show.
Judge hit his thirty fours uh last night. Um, I mean,
obviously the guy has become the story of the league
this year. But I know he's counseling. You know, he
sought your counsel. You've kind of helped him through like
dealing with all the interviews, dealing with with being a star.

(01:07:15):
How's he how's he handled second half of the season.
Everybody's prepping for him the lineup, I know it's change.
You moved down the lineup, going back to yesterday. How's
he handling? Oh, he's handling a great He's a great
person person foremost, the most the thing that I admire
most about Aaron Judges is the human beings. He is
the friends and somebody that is the same every day

(01:07:37):
whether he gets four hits or no hits. Um, he's
all about winning and and the way he carries himselves.
Was raised by incredible parents and um, just a quality
human being, which you know, I think it's really allowed
him to handle the stardom that comes with being Uh.
You know the guy in New York with leading the
league and and most out with some categories and and

(01:07:59):
uh sick foot seven or six ft eight and two seven,
you can't go anywhere. I mean the guy, you know,
he doesn't blend in. He's he's uh, he's pulled in
lots of different directions every single day with lots of
different interviews and and uh and I think someone not
as as the whole quality of character um would probably
not handle it the way he's handled it. So he's

(01:08:21):
handled it great. And I think that you know, just
some of the aducts that up doing him is that
you know, you've got to be careful and taking out
on because he's such a nice person that you know,
he wants to make everybody happy and do anything that's
asked of him. But he's got to have some boundaries
and some limits and make sure that the focus remains
on getting his work done, getting his rest and and
uh doing the things that allow him to go out

(01:08:42):
perform on then. And he's done a tremendous job for
such a young guy. Matt Holiday joining us of the
New York Yankees, Doug Goliel first Place, New York Yankees
joining us You in the Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio.
You you've been in. You guys didn't have what the
Dodgers have now. Dodger thirty four games above five hundred. Uh,
they've come from behind thirty two times. And this is

(01:09:02):
not necessarily a National league American league questions Like you
were on the Cardinals, you guys are the best team
in baseball, and you you didn't win the World Series.
I'm just wondering, like what that's like when you're far
and away the best team, you know, you're going to
the playoffs and it's this time of year. How difficult
that is in comparison to you know now with the Yankees, Like, look,
you guys weren't in first place going back before the break.

(01:09:24):
You are now, but you're playing better now. You're still
gonna be in a pennant chase as well as you know,
maybe you have the wild card thing. What's what's better
having that huge lead and trying to figure out how
to stay sharp or trying to win your division here
late in the year. Well, I think there's obviously positives
to both. I mean, if if she's got a huge
lead and that means you are in the playoffs, which

(01:09:45):
is what we're all ultimately trying to get to once
you get to the tournament, so to speak, then then
you've got a chance to win the series. And unless
you get into that tournament, you have no no chance
to achieve the ultimate goal. So from that standpoint, it's
it's a great feeling. He's got, uh, you know, huge
lead you've got you know, you're winning tons of games,
and uh, you can rest guys, you can put Clayton

(01:10:06):
Kershaw in the d L you know, and and and
let him get fully back to health and and and
some of those things that are that are a real advantage.
But then at the same time, our advantages to being
in a competitive environment night and night out, especially as
a September closes, where you're you're literally have your backs

(01:10:26):
against the wall, your planning for your your postseason lives,
so to speak. And and I think that there is
some carry over to being comfortable playing in such important
games late in the season that it can be in
advantage as you head into the playoffs where every game
is so important, um that there is not much of
a change as far as how the team looks at

(01:10:46):
the game, or how each individual looks at, you know,
how how he needs to go out and help the
team win. So uh, there's clearly uh pluses and minuses
to both circumstances. But um, I think in general, all
the team that traditions is playing the best, um, you know,
going into the playoffs as as one and uh, some

(01:11:07):
years that is the tea was the best all year,
and in some years it's not. So Um it's a
long season and in the playoffs or even a long
season part you know, there's there's you know, lots of
games in rounds. So UM, I don't know that there's
one that's bess in the other. I think that they're
certain aspects that you like on both sides. Matt Holiday

(01:11:30):
joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show, do you feel
the Red Sox rivelry like you know, you're in St.
Louis long enough? But the Cubs weren't really good until
your last couple of years, right, So there wasn't It
wasn't as much it was like hammer in the nail rivalry. Uh,
and the Red Sox Yankees hadn't really been the same
rivalry since Frankie. The Red Sox won a couple of
World Series. But you know, now two teams the top

(01:11:53):
the division. You got Dave Dombrowski calling you guys the Warriors, right,
trying to trying to kind of stoke the fire that
you went and added added to to a star started lineup, Like,
be honest with me, do you feel the rivalry yet?
You know, I think it's Uh when you play the
Red Sox, uh feel energy and the stands a lot
like the Cubs and the Cardinals. There's a there's a

(01:12:15):
kind of a different energy it stands, and there's a
bit of a buzz that you feel as a player
as far as just sort of the coverage and and
intensity on the streets and just kind of the excitement
for the game and for a regular season game that
maybe you don't feel against other teams. UM. But as players, UM,
you know it's such a competitive league to where if

(01:12:37):
you're not locked in, no matter whether you're playing the
Red Sox or a team in last place, um, you
know in the West, or or somewhere where you don't
play very often, UM, you can get embarrassed. And there's
talent in the league that you know, especially the pitching
the way is these days is so high velocity, high
high skill, UM that you know, as players, you're so

(01:13:00):
focused on trying to go out there and it sounds
good at bats in the pictures, you know, trying to
go out there and it's doesn't trying to get his
you know, start through six or seven innings and turn
over the bullpen um that you're so focused, fine tun focused.
I'm trying to do those things that maybe as a
player you don't notice that in the field, but I
definitely think there's a buzz and and you know I'm

(01:13:22):
going onto the field, being in the in the streets
work or um, you know, Boston, or you know, just
being on you know, on the field for the national anthem,
things like that, that feels a little bit different. You
can play some more first place now, I didn't, you
know with the move for for Todd Fraser at third
and Headley slide over the first. UM, I'd be surprised

(01:13:43):
if I play much first the rest of the way,
just getting good at it, I know, I know, when
I got sick, I mean good grave Uh, sometimes it
doesn't go your way, you know. They just thankful that
I'm feeling better and have an opportunity to play this
game and and uh play a really good team and
a really great organization. Sometimes you just count your blessings
and not worry about um kind of what's happened, and

(01:14:07):
try to try to take every day for what it
is and focus on what I can do today. Does
anybody sound more New York than Todd Fraser? No, he said,
try to. And then it's just well, I mean he's
from New Jersey, so yeah, he's got the the accent
and the loud, the volume and everything that you picture
from a Northeasterner. He is he is that. All right, dud, Well, look,

(01:14:31):
we're glad you're back healthy. Need to get that you
need to get that average in ob o b p
up a little bit. Uh but uh slide you slide
you down to fifth. You're like, oh, whoa whoa, whoa
whoa skip, whoa skip. I liked it, liked it when
I kind of got more a bs. Hey, good luck tonight,
and we look forward to talk to me in the future. Alright,

(01:14:51):
Matt Holiday joining us in the dugout. So I think
I bummed himut mentioning that he moved down to fifth
in the lineup. Tough one, right, that is that's like
me coming into like, hey, gott leeve, listen, now you're
gonna go Jason Smith's gonna do your show. You're gonna
go overnights. I like overnights, not sleeping. Overnight's sleeping. Jason

(01:15:12):
Smith does have one of the great Twitter handles of
all time at how about a Fresca? Right? Good show?
As well? Speaking of good shows, what did the Fox say?
What did Skip Bayliss think about Colin Kaepernick as a
starter for the Ravens by not next. When you're ready
to experience a better way to sell or trade in
your car, check out True car dot com slash Trade Today,

(01:15:41):
Doug Gotli Show, Fox Sports Radio. Jeff Hasson has been
coming at me Horde on Twitter claimed that I was
drinking uh foolish takes, you know, general baseball guy stuff.
Really really upset. He's gonna join us uh in thirty minutes.
Thirty minutes so thanks to Cindy Kats working out joining
us to get Jeff Passons. I like his book. He
wrote book about guys come back from Tommy John surgery. Thing.

(01:16:02):
It's called the Arm. It's really good, really good. We'll
also he's a big he's a big kanc City Royals,
won't We'll ask him about the broils sudden turnaround to
being relevant, really really remarkable. Well, we'll talk some baseball
stuff with him, because baseball is actually interesting. But I
guess what's most interesting is baseball guys are in complete
denial of the idea that we have to wonder about

(01:16:23):
Adrian Beltray like the rest of the like, maybe he's
just the best Dominican player we've ever had. It's possible.
I hope it is. I don't think it's crazy to wonder.
Definitely not definitiation of character, like if you didn't do it,
then okay, cool, you're not doing it, Like all right,

(01:16:44):
don't blame me, You blame all the other guys that
did what they did previous to you. Let's get to
what the Fox said. Here's what Skip Bayliss said about
Colin Kaepernick and where he should start in the NFL.
I'm gonna say this again here, here's the issue operating

(01:17:05):
right before your very eyes. This is just me. I
would take Colin Kaepernick over Joe Flacco. I just would.
I can show you. I've called him Joe Flucco before,
and I was on this is in hindsight. I said,
they're about to make a huge mistake because he's had
some hot playoff games, and I cannot dispute any of

(01:17:27):
his playoff games because he has been mostly sensational. He's
ten and five. His QBR is not great because he'll
have Fluco games in the five where you'll say, where
did that come from? Well, that's who this guy is.
But he's twenty five touchdowns to only tenor inceptions in
the postseason, which is really really good. And he did

(01:17:47):
somehow go win a super Bowl, and I give you that,
although Colin Kaepernick I thought got robbed at the end
of that Super Bowl and that they should have won
it on a non call in the end zone. Now
back to Fluco. He gets a big contract. He has
scheduled this year to make the biggest cap hit in
all a pro football twenty four point six million dollars.

(01:18:08):
He used to be paid this year, So they have
a money issue they're facing. But since that Super Bowl
is record in the regular season is twenty nine and
twenty nine. And as you point out, which is a
stunning stat, the Baltimore Ravens have missed the playoffs three
of the last four years. Really, uh yeah they have,

(01:18:28):
but I mean, like, look, Eli Manning went like what
five years not making the playoffs. I never thought Joe
Flacco is great, But Joe Flacco has been kind of
a picture of consistency. Right. He's good for about twenty
five touchdowns, about twelve to fourteen interceptions, and he's a
better than average quarterback who's performed at his best in
the most important time. If we're gonna readjudicate the Super

(01:18:49):
Bowl that was two thousand thirteen. Look what's happened to
Flacco since? Look what's happened to Kaepernick? Since Kaepernick has
twice lost his job at multiple surgeries. Yes, Flacco had
a knee surgery, but back and has been Joe Flacco.
He's fine, and the entire league wage view him better
than Colin Kaepernick. Flacco is their signature guy. He's their

(01:19:09):
franchise quarterback. They're not bringing in Kaepernick because of that reason.
A matter of fact, I will I will read you
the quote that tells you all you need to know
about why why Flacco will not have Kaepernick as his backup. Plus,
is the NFL finally going to allow marijuana for pain relief?

(01:19:30):
Wait to hear what Roger Goodell had to say in
regards to where they stand on the marijuana debate will
bring some sense to it, and Jeff Passon will try
and hate on me and I'll crush him next. Doug
Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. Dudes are coming left in
right because it's we're not supposed to do what sports

(01:19:51):
fans do. Remember the past and wonder if that's what
we're seeing in the present. Doug Gotlip Show rolls on.
You can always tweet out the show at Gottlieb Show,
even the haters. Jeff Patson's gonna join us from Yahoo
Sports and what fifteen minutes and he catch just booked him.

(01:20:12):
He's been coming at me ORed on Twitter. We might
actually talk some baseball aside from just the Adrian Beltrade discussion,
which is really all it is, right. I don't know
when we got to the point to which you can't
have a discussion about what sports fans wonder like if
you're just joining us and you don't know what we're
talking about, let me kind of reset it for you. Uh.

(01:20:33):
Yesterday I stated pretty clearly I wonder, and I wonder
because of all the things I've learned in my fifteen
years of of of of covering sports nationally, I wonder.
I see a guy who plays an organization that has
had a high number of players test positive for p

(01:20:54):
e d S, comes from a place that has produced
high levels only top level baseball players, but also the
highest percentage of players attested positive for p e d S,
and he has maintained an unbelievable level of consistency at
an age in which generally there's drop off. There's fall off, right,

(01:21:17):
And so I wonder aloud, Adrian beltre real deal or
got some help? Not to me speculating or wondering or
however you want to. Personally, I think that shows that
you're a sports fan that knows, understands, respects, and remembers

(01:21:38):
the past. Like I remember sitting in my apartment as
we're in a house, we're in a house. I remember
sitting there and I was watching the home run chase
Sammy Sosa markin require. Do you guys remember where you
were when McGuire hit the seventy three home run kind
of the stinger that went over the left field wall

(01:22:01):
and kind of it felt like it was going to
scrape the top of the wall, just kind over the
time and then he like awkwardly, like like McGuire was awkward.
We agree there he was just he wasn't really smooth
with his movements, and he was like trying to bash
brother guys and hug guys, and he just was so
like he was so beefy. And I remember sitting there

(01:22:22):
with we were in college, we're college basketball players, and
we're like, do those guys are juicing there? There's no way,
Like Sammy had just massive, massive forearms. He looked at
McGuire like no way, no way, no way. And then
there was the Andrews stuff. They put Andrew in his

(01:22:44):
locker and like, wait a second, that's that's his that's
his deal, which we had now learned like the Andrew
was just to take us off the trail of what
he was really doing. I remember when Barry Bonds had
seventy seven home runs, like anybody with the brain was
like that dude is massive, huge, and he's in his

(01:23:05):
late thirties and he's just hitting bombs. And all baseball
guy would say was, hey, you know, steroids don't help
you at a baseball, right, Okay, sure fine, but every
stat will tell you that they help you hit a
baseball further and by do people know what steroids actually do?

(01:23:27):
Ramo's what's your association. What's your assessment with steroids with association.
Assessment would be that it helps you to maintain a
high level even when you are let's say tired or
you maybe can't go a little further. It keeps you
at that high pace for a long extended period of time. Correct,
That's exactly what it is. So you can train more,

(01:23:48):
hit more, lift more. You don't have days which you
wake up and like, oh everything hurts. Like look, there's
a reason people have used performance dancing drugs for years.
You know what that reason is? They work? They work.
And there's an article, um, there's article in like the
London Times this this weekend on the dirtiest race in

(01:24:11):
Olympic history, and it goes through as like the women's
hundred meter dash, and like every one of them except
for one, had tested positive at some point in their
lives for p DS, Like it was crazy. And yet
at the time, at the time, none of those tests
were fit. Nobody was tested positive for So I'm a

(01:24:31):
scorned fan of the Olympics. I'm a scorned fan of baseball.
I love baseball. I grew up going to games my dad,
my dad, Uh may he rest in peace. Would would
have loved to see what the Mets were able to
do the past couple of years, even though he'd hate
to see them breaking apart. The Mets. Now, I went

(01:24:52):
to the when the Dodgers were lasting in the World Series.
I went to Game two. I watched all those games
in OH three and O four with the Red Sox
and the Yankees. I watched a home run Chase. I
remember believing that Ryan brown Way, I was like, wait,
Ryan Braun, like all that we've seen this in the past,
So I don't understand how it's not healthy to at
least wonder and ask and if the answer is no, hey,

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whatever test you want him, I'm not doing it at that.
Adrian Beltrey has been able to maintain his body and
simply play at a high level into his thirties, and
he's helped out with the fact he plays in Texas,
which is a hitter's ballpark. Like, okay, I'm not gonna stop.
I think at least a portion of America from wondering.

(01:25:38):
It's just on. Jeff Passon's gonna join this momentarily. I
saw this story from the NFL. I thought it's interesting.
Roger Goodell Uh believes that the NFL has been less
open to the idea of players using marijuana for a
therapeutic tool because it's addictive and unhealthy. That's fascinating. He

(01:26:04):
actually went on I think Mike and Mike earlier today
and among the things he said was he said, hey, uh,
you know it's still smoking is bad for you, and
he said that we have Uh. It was funny he
used the like joint when he said joined. It was

(01:26:26):
the other you used to word joy. Ah, some sort
of joint assessors that have yet to say that it's
healthy enough to use because it has addictive qualities. I mean, look,
the problem with Roger Goodell's argument on not using marijuana

(01:26:47):
is it feels to me, and I think it feels
to anybody who listens like he's a he's a public
prosecutor or a public to offendant, really public defender, and
he knows he doesn't have a strong case, right. That's
really what it is. It's did you guys watch the

(01:27:09):
Aaron Hernandez trial. When Aaron Hernandez went to jail for murder.
At the end of his trial, the closing argument, his
attorney admitted that Aaron Hernandez was at the scene of
the crime, even though throughout the entire case they tried
to tell the jury he wasn't him, he wasn't there,

(01:27:31):
but because there were so much triangulation of the cell phones,
because his shoeprint was there, because his gum was on
one of the bullets that was in the car that
was driven to the scene of the crime, because there's
so much circumstantial evidence that put him at the scene
of the crime. Only only upon closing arguments this his
own attorney change course and say, yeah, he might have

(01:27:53):
been there, but he didn't pull the trigger. It was
just a defense to which we don't really have anything else,
So maybe we'll fall on the grenade saying he didn't
shoot the guy. Roger Goodell said, I think you still
have to look at a lot of aspects of marijuana.
Is it something that can be negative to the health
of our players. Listen, you're ingesting smoke, so it's not

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usually a very positive thing that people would say. It
does have an addictive nature. There are a lot of
compounds in marijuana that may not be healthy for players
long term. All of these things have to be considered.
It's not as simple as someone who just wants to
feel better after the game. We really want our players
in that circumstance, but we wouldn't want to help our
players in that circumstance. But I want to sure that

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the negative consequences aren't something that is something we will
be held accountable for down the road. We have to
look at it from a medical standpoint, So if people
feel that it has a medical benefit, medical advisors will
have to tell you that we have joint advisors. I
love the fact that it's going They're called joint advisors.
Who wouldn't want to be a joint advisor. Ramos actually
has filed that filed paperwork to be a joint advisors.

(01:28:59):
They I'll be I'll be a joint advisor. I got
lots of buddies to be joined, virsors, lots of guys.
We also have independent advisory. Both the NFLPA and the
NFL will sit down, we'll talk about it. But we've
been studying it through our advisors. And look if he said, hey,
we don't want weed laced in PCP, right, we don't

(01:29:22):
want these. We don't want to end up like smoking
in a chicken coop. But the idea that you're not
open to the possibility that marijuana. Is it better for
players than oxy cotton? Isn't better for players than taking
a tour it all shot? Isn't better for players than

(01:29:43):
vicing massive amounts of viking and to feel better? Like
that's heading the stand and he I know, he, I know,
he knows. This is not a winning argument, but it's
the best possible argument he could go with. But when
you go with hey, smoking is bad for you, so
you shouldn't do it. Come on, man, that's Aeron Nandez

(01:30:04):
his lawyer, saying, well, maybe he was there, but he
didn't pull the trigger. Jeff Passon has been coming at
me on Twitter. Is there a legitimate discussion to be
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Fox Sports Radio. I can read his tweets, but instead
just have him on, right, Jeff Passons is gonna join
us from Yahoo Sports. Let me quickly kind of set

(01:30:45):
up the argument two people who are just joining us, right,
it's unfair for people who just you're popping into your car,
you're listening to us online or listening to us on
the I Heart app or on the Doug Gotlip Show podcast.
You're like, well, what why are you just are you
know why just arguing with Jeff Passon. Adrian Beltrey hit
his three thousand hit of his major League baseball career

(01:31:05):
on Sunday's wildly regarded as a future Hall of Fame player,
and upon further examination, I just wandered aloud, like, here's
a dude who's thirty eight years old, and though the
power numbers are a little bit down this year, he
had thirty two bombs. Last year he had three hundred,
was on base thirties six percent of the time. Um, Like,

(01:31:28):
the numbers have not really dropped off of anything. They've
remained constant, and in some ways they've been better in
his mid to late thirties, And like, look, this is
a baseball we're scoring baseball fans. Then you factor in
he's a Texas ranger. Rangers have had five players since
so five oh six suspended for p D use. It's

(01:31:50):
an organization that has turned the other cheek. They even
welcome Sammy Sosa back to hit his six hundred at
home run. He's from the Dominican Republic. That country has
not only produced a ton of pro baseball players, the
highest percentage of players that tested positive for p DS
in both major and minor leagues are from the Dominican
There's been talks about a is this a Dominican cultural problem?

(01:32:13):
And statistically again, no fall off. That's what we learned
from the steroid era. And so I have I now
offered up no proof. I just wondered aloud, hey, is
this on the up and up? Are we led to
believe that, unlike other guys in their mid to late
thirties who saw their production maintain and some obviously Spike

(01:32:34):
Beltray is the real deal to which baseball guys have
gone crazy Like Jeff Passon was a great baseball guy,
wrote the book The Arm That's like one of my
favorites about guys recovering from Tommy John Surgery writes for
Yahoo Sports. He joins us on the Doug Gotlip Show
why do you think I've been drinking. So I don't

(01:32:55):
think you've been drinking, Buck, I think you missed the
point I was saying. I know a lot of radio
hosts who drink and who say things that are not smart,
and I felt like you were saying something that wasn't smart.
So I'm wondering if you've been drinking, which is the
same way you're wondering, is because Adrian Beltrey happens to
be Dominican, it happens to have aged well and is

(01:33:16):
a baseball player that maybe he's taking steroids. And and
my point is, let's just get like one thing very clear.
When you say I'm just wondering, you're doing You're doing
more than just wondering, Doug. I mean, come on, you
can't say I'm just wondering and act like you're the
innocent party here. Well, it's not my fault that other
guys are tested positive steroids, causing me to wonder, right,

(01:33:39):
causing me right, other guys have tested positives. But what
does one man's decision, or one man's decision from the
Dominican Republic, or one man's decision from anywhere have to
do with another person? Since when does somebody being from
a country mean that he is like another person? I
hate to say it, there are a lot of people
in the United States where absolutely nothing like me, nothing

(01:34:01):
like you, nothing like anyone else. And just because they
make a particular decision does not mean that makes another
person likelier to make a similar decision. That is fair,
But is it it also fair to say there's been
a high number of players that tested positive from the
Dominican Republic. Absolutely, and I'm not denying that. And I
understand I said this to you in the tweets there
there is a problem with steroids in the Dominican Republican.

(01:34:24):
This is actually what I wanted to come on with
you and talk about because I I like, honestly, Doug,
I don't want to get into a discussion about Adrian
Beltre and performance announcing drugs because I really, legitimately do
not think that's fair. I think it's it's a stupid
thing to speculate about. But you let me ask you
a question here. P E D S bother you? Right?

(01:34:47):
If pe D S bother you, then why don't you
take the time when you're on the air to talk
about the number of buscones who are the trainers down
in the Dominican Republican, Venezuela and Latin American countries who
takes steroids and pump them into fourteen and fifteen and
sixteen year old kids in order to bulk them up

(01:35:07):
and get them stronger, throwing harder, hitting farther, and boosting
their signing bones. Why don't we discuss why? Because it's
not I mean, like I think it's it's very interesting.
Like if somebody in terms of training players and it's
something that that one, it's kind of gross, right, but
it's it's terrible. It's it's terrible, But I doesn't make
for a great sports radio, right, like you trying to

(01:35:30):
like people ask me, like, why would you talk about
Adrian Beltrey now, Well, because it's the only time. It's
it's crazy, Like, here's a guy who statistically has is
a great player, right, Like, there's no disputing the stats
will tell you he's a Hall of Fame players, a
great player. But no one has ever mentioned Adrian Beltrey
on national sports radio until he gets his three thousand
hint and then you start to look at you're like,
oh wait, look at those numbers. They're not going down

(01:35:52):
everybody else gets older. So I'm not saying, which what
you're talking about is not interesting, but is it interesting
to the national sports radio listener. And I've been trained
to think it isn't even though dog. Here's the thing, though,
I feel like you're letting the tail wag the dog here.
And you know what, so many times people in the
general sports media will criticize Fox for having the hottest takes.

(01:36:15):
You're talking about the stupidest things, And I'm challenging you
here to break out of that and to say I'm
not going to fall prey to throwing something out there
just because I know it's going to rile people up.
You can be better than that, and you can do
better than that. And us sitting here and talking about this,
which is a real human being issue as opposed to

(01:36:38):
the crap about is Adrian Beltrey or not on steroids
when we have absolutely no proof, no sense that he
ever would do anything, no evidence, nothing substantive. That's my
challenge to you, Well you do that? Are you willing to?
But why is it? Why is it not fair to
ask the question about Adrian Beltrey considering the factors that

(01:36:58):
we listed before, because none of those factors, has any
evidence behind it, Doug, There is literally of evidence of
evidence that he doesn't age the fact that like he's
like he's the guy who who's beating father time. Hey, Doug,
where did Adrian bell Trey play? His age is twenty
six through thirty one season. That's right, and Seattle in

(01:37:23):
Safeco Field at that time, but for the fences, awful
place to hit? Where has he played since then? Texas,
Texas and Boston too fantastic places to hit? Adrian Beltrey
has moved environments into a better place to hit. Now,
here's the thing does I am not going to come

(01:37:43):
out and say that anyone, and I mean anyone in
baseball Dominican, Venezuelan, American, Japanese. I don't know if guys
have used or not. I don't know. I'm not going
to say that any of them are clean. But similarly,
I'm not going to say any of them are dirty
either unless I have the evidence. And that's what bothers
me about your argument when you're saying sportswriters twenty years ago, uh,

(01:38:07):
I didn't ask the right questions. I think you respect
me as journalists, right, I'd be fair to say you're
too you're too young for it was it was more,
it was more. It was more like, who's the guy
Mike Karo from the Daily News or the New York
Post who came at me. It's like, these are these
are not Look, it's one of those deals where it's no,

(01:38:28):
but here's here. Let me let me finish that point though,
because it's an important point twenty years ago, they may
not have asked those questions. I don't know. I was,
I was still. I was young at that point. I
was in high school at that point. But you cannot
make a judgment today for the sins of your forebears.
You can't use what happened in the past to frame
your argument today because I asked, because I asked all

(01:38:52):
the time, Doug. And you know what scares me the
fact that I'm either being lied to, the truth is
being hidden from I'm not a good enough reporter to
go and get it. All of those things scare me
and I think every other journalist who's working out there
these days, because we don't want to be on the
watch when there's another steroid scandal. We don't want to

(01:39:13):
be accused of having turned a blind eye. What's also
our responsibility though, is to make sure that we treat
everybody as fairly as possible and not to throw around
accusations that are as serious as this, because you know
what's gonna happen tomorrow. They're gonna be headlines on Google
News and if you search on a website anywhere, uh,

(01:39:35):
Adrian Beltrey on steroids, and you know why it's going
to be out there because you presume to guess it.
There was no evidence behind this, guess whatsoever. But because
you had a question in your mind, you didn't ask yourself,
as this a fair question to ask? You didn't ask
yourself is this the right thing to say to somebody
who I have no evidence against? But you said it anyway,

(01:39:56):
And that's what bothers me about this whole thing. There's
nothing there's nothing person, there's nothing personal about this at all. Done.
I just think you can be better than that. Now.
See my way of looking at it is it's either
it's the either the greatest compliment Adrian Beltrey could ever receive,
or it's exposing something that others are unwilling to ask. Right,
Like if you say, hey, to be this good, you

(01:40:16):
gotta be like, are you on something then, Adrian, if
I'm major belcher, like, that's the greatest complment ever anybody
can ever give me. I'm so good, I must be honest. Okay,
so let me let me ask you this. Let's say,
like did people do that with Eric Thames earlier this year?
Like like other I asked Eric Thames the question because yeah,
of course, of course, and it pissed him off to
no end, as it should because if he's not on something,

(01:40:38):
it's not a compliment, it's an accusation. I don't think
I think it's a compliment. Wait, like, dude, you went
from you went from being an from from from a
guy who couldn't make the bigs two for a time period,
leading the big the major leagues and home runs like
Eric Thames had a breakout season this year. Right, you
went from doing one thing to another? Did you do
it using something that is an ethical, illegal, an amoral

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And that's what the question and his his answers were
not compliments. That's not compliments at all. That's an accusation.
It's all. It's all how, it's all how you look
at it, like if you if you, if you didn't
do anything wrong, it's not an accusation like somebody no,
but you're no. But you're by asking the question alone,
you are implicitly accusing somebody of doing something. But you're

(01:41:23):
asking the question in your mind anyway, right Like you don't.
You didn't when you saw, like I said, you've studied.
You study baseball far more than I have. Okay, we're
not disputing that. Okay. So when you saw Eric Thames
come back from playing overseas and just hitting bomb after
bomb after bomb to start a year, and you saw
how his body has changed, you asked the question, But
his body hasn't changed. For what it's worth, go ahead, continue.

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So when he goes from that to being a prodigious
home run hitter, albeit during a shortened period of time,
you didn't ask that question in your mind. No, I
didn't ask that question in my mind. I asked, I asked,
I asked a billion questions in my mind. I asked, Okay,
what has changed in his swing? What has changed in
his approach? I I mean, I ask all kinds of things,
but that's not the one that jumps to the forefront

(01:42:09):
of my mind. And that's certainly not one that I'm
going to go out there and put there because I
understand that it is the scarlet letter, and and as
somebody who i'd like to think is responsible and who
carries that responsibility with a great amount of import I'm
not going to use the credibility that i'd like to
think I've built up throughout the years and and put

(01:42:31):
that on somebody, because I feel like when somebody with
my platform, with your platform, goes out and says something
like this, we are bringing the heft of our personal
reputations and our employers behind us. And I don't want
to be the person who says, who asks that question when, uh,
you know, when it reflects poorly upon everyone else. And

(01:42:53):
I honestly I think this does reflect poorly on you.
I think I don't think that that can be your opinion.
My opinion is if guys, if guys not doing anything,
then the answer is I'm not doing anything. I just
continue to work every day. Okay, you're welcome. You're welcome
to looking into my medical records that that proved that
I haven't that I haven't done anything. It's it's a
very it's a very at. He doesn't he doesn't have to,

(01:43:19):
he doesn't have to do anything. I think it's I
just I think you're going crazy over the fact that
it's absolutely that most sports fans are so scorned by
baseball players and their past success in their mid to
late thirties that you look at guys that are having
success in their mid to late thirties and you're like, well,
I don't I have trouble. It's a lot like how
we look at the Sunday morning preacher. Not all Sunday

(01:43:40):
morning preachers giving off the top. Hey, not a scunny
Sunday Morning preachers or phonies, but there have been enough
phonies out there to which we don't a lot of
us in in the mainstream, like we just have trouble
buying into the fact that they're the real deal. I
think that's it's it's politicians are the same way. Not
all politicians are bad, but enough politicians has been bad

(01:44:00):
to which we look at them and we struggle to
think that they're the real They're they're as honest as
the day is long. And I think baseball players, unfortunately,
because of previous baseball players and other players who weren't
on it calling out the players there were, and frankly
people in our business not calling out the people that
were and like, look, we just let ped Rodriguez in
the Hall of Fame. Everybody knows ped Rodriguez did it,

(01:44:23):
and and like everybody just looks the other way. He's like, okay,
well he was so good and he was so nice
and it was so awesome on defense. That will let that.
Let's let that pass. And so you're so you're okay,
You're okay with people today paying for the sins of
their fathers. We all pay for the sins of our
we all pay for the sins of number number two.
This is this is what I really wanted to ask you,
and I think this is an important question. I know,

(01:44:45):
I know you're not a journalist. I understand that. But
if you went into the Texas Rangers clubhouse and you
walked up to Adrian Beltrey and you said to him,
very plain and simple, have you used performance enhancing drugs?
And he said no, would you take him at his word?
I would. I wouldn't ask you yes, no question. Um.

(01:45:06):
Why That's that's the whole point they're making here. This
is a very yes, no question. That's a good point. Um.
I probably have a good discussion about it. What do
you think about what do you think about the characterization
of Dominican players, And I think and I think Adrian
Beltrade Doug is somebody who I sat down with for
almost an hour a couple of weeks ago before he

(01:45:28):
hit his had his three thousand hit. I think he
would sit there and tell you it's a tragedy. I
think he would sit there and tell you that the
poverty in his country is the saddest thing he knows,
and and that the fact that Major League Baseball is
there to provide any number of Dominican players with a
life that couldn't have imagined and a dream to get

(01:45:49):
off of an island that is a Third World country
shows that Major League Baseball is good. But I think
he would also say that Major League Baseball has failed
in a lot of ways, allowing the culture that has
run rampant in the Dominican Republic to continue to and
that Major League Baseball needs to step up in that
regard and become a larger voice there and hold more

(01:46:10):
people accountable there so that the steroid culture that is
in the Dominican Republic, I'm not questioning that, so that
that steroid culture does get better over time. I think
that's what he would tell you. And I'm not saying
that knowing that having heard that from him. I'm saying
that because I think Adrian Beltree is a really conscientious, interesting,
intelligent person and that he's given us a lot of thought. Okay,

(01:46:33):
I'd like and I think that's exact discussion that that
that sensible people that have they wouldn't get then have
that discussion on the radio instead of this crap is
he using or not? But there wasn't. There wasn't this
crap about using or not. The crap. The crap was
exactly what exactly what you agree with me, which is
there's a big number of Dominicans. There's a problem with
Dominican players and the use of steroids, whether it begins

(01:46:53):
with their trainers or begins with their need to get
off the islands. There's sports baseball fans carrying bias of
what happened fifteen twenty years ago into what could happen today.
And there's the there's because Adrian and because Adrian Beltry
got three thousand hits and he's playing well when he's old,
I'm gonna say he might be doing it to wonder aloud.

(01:47:14):
I don't think that's I just don't think that's crazy.
Like you act like it's crazy. We're going to disagree
that it's not crazy. And I know there are plenty
of people that agree with you, but there are actually
plenty of people that agree with me. It's not crazy
to think. I'm sure there are they're just as wrong
as you are. Thanks, Jeff re appreciated Jeff passing from
Yahoo Sports shoining us and I like, Okay, I kind

(01:47:38):
of thought he agree with me more than he thought
he did, And I'm sure I agree with him more
than he thought that more than I thought I would.
We'll take out of your calls eight seven seven six
three six nine eight seven seven nine on Fox. Yeah.
I would be more than open to having a discussion

(01:47:58):
with Adrian Beltry. I challenged to him. Would be like, hey,
if you want to change the culture in the Dominican
Republic players coming over, then you know who needs to
do it, the players from the Dominican Republic who have
seen success over here. It's like one of the things
that like, I just I never understood about Sammy Sosa, Right,
Sammy Solsa came from nothing made to something. I believe
Sammy Sosa end up ruining what we think of so

(01:48:19):
many players that have gone along his path, right, but
there was never a discussion of hey, look what I had,
look where I came from, and look what I have
now and should I have done it? Probably not, but
I did it, and here's why I did it. Take
a couple of your calls. First, Let's uh, let's find
out what's trending. Doug otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. All right,

(01:48:41):
let's uh, let's get our boy Dan Buyer in here,
kind of quickly find out what's going on the press
p Doug cam Chanser has got a new deal with
the Seattle Seahawks, three year extensive. We're thirty six million dollars.
You'll get twenty five million dollars guaranteed. As he was
entering the final year of his contract. And this is
one of those deals didn't get paid two years ago

(01:49:03):
the final year the contract. Obviously you get stuff worked
into signing bonuses to help the team out. Um what
happens in football. It's one of those deals to where
the holding out two years ago really hurt his team,
Like really remember that defense was bad to start the year.
So I understand players trying to get paid and guaranteed
money and rework their contracts and they feel they overachieve,

(01:49:25):
but you're likely not to get that contract. We worked
until the final year. The Falcons are getting a new stadium,
the Mercedes Benz Stadiums. Should be ready soon. And I
say should because Doug, we found out today they're still
trying to put the roof together. It's gonna be a
a contracting roof almost where it's yeah, but it's not
gonna be able to open until later out of the season.

(01:49:46):
So the Falcons have to play their games in September
with the roof closed, but they can't get it open.
That is, they still have more to do with this
crazy roof, and so they're not gonna be able to
open it up for play until I don't love. Everybody's
in love with the big video board this way at
the top of it. I don't you gotta look up.
I don't. I don't like it. I just I'm sure

(01:50:06):
it's amazing, but like I want to, I want the
video board to be as close to field level as possible.
I just I'm sure it's an amazing place. Having a
retractable dome that doesn't actually retract we've had that. Remember
Montreal had that Olympic stadium where the Expos used to play.
It was actually retracted, was like the first retractable dome
and it didn't retract after the Olympics. A couple more

(01:50:29):
for you before we wrap it up. Bloomberg reports that
Beyonce is considering purchasing a small portion of the Houston
Rockets franchises up for sale. She would have to be
a part of a group. Do She doesn't have all
the money to buy the Rockets, but you'd like to
at least buy a small portion of it. Who wants
to buy Bloomberg Race? And who Beyonce? There you go,
Queen Bee. The problem with Beyonce and all these the

(01:50:49):
stars that want like they actually have to throw in
legit money, and they're so used to not throwing a
legit money. Beyonce and jay Z they got some legit
cash if they want to put in. But I thought
he was the ownership group for the until he sold.
He was with the Nets. But now he's like an agent,
so he can't. I wonder if she can with Barry
being married to jay Z. Final one for you, Pitcher,

(01:51:11):
You Darvis gonna make his Dodgers debut Friday night in
Queen's against the New York Mets. He'll also wear number
twenty one for the Dodgers. I like that he's gonna
make his debut in New York, right, tough little debut.
That's awesome. That's Dan Buyer with the press. Thanks thanks
to Jeff Passon for joining me, arguing with me. Matt

(01:51:33):
Holliday joining me live from the stadium, Yankee Stadium. You
can download the podcast Doug Gottlieb Show Podcast. We had
somebody Else to Rob Ninkovitch joined us. Rob Nikovitch who
plugged another network while joining us, but still we talked
about the downfall of Purdue football and what it's like
to walk away, and we clowned what's my man's name?
The kid from l s U. We clowned who said, I,

(01:51:54):
you know, if I could Jamal Adams, Like, yeah, I'm
gonna die one play some died in football field Like that,
that's something you only say when you're twenty one years old.
You only say when you're twenty one years old. The
rest of us are like, uh, I personally, I'd like
to live to be a hundred. I like to and
live really really well. Back with more tomorrow. We'll see

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