October 8, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and the crew debate whether or not Aaron Judge's big homerun in the 4th inning of game three of the ALDS was or should be his career post-season signature moment. Doug weighs in on the Shedeur Sanders situation in Cleveland before welcoming in MLB Analyst Doug Glanville onto the show to talk about the MLB Post-Season. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
We'll talk some shred door Sanders up coming in fifteen minutes.
Then Dougie Glanville will join us. Of course he'll be
calling the game three of the Brewers Cubs game today
with our guy Boog Shambi on ESPN. Of course, played
nine years major League baseball. I want to start with
last night's Aaron Judge home run. Actually, let's just get
this out of the way so we can get the
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call out of the way and then talk about all
the layers to the home run.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
The Yankees were down three runs.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Was in the fifth inning, fifth inning, fourth inning of
Game three of a potentially potential five games series, down
two games to none, at home, down three runs.
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Speaker 4 (02:00):
Here's the pitch, high flight ball deep left field, down
the left field line.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It is off the fair pole.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Hey now, hey, now hey now free m hover air
and judge this game is tied.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's six sect unbelievable, unbelievable talent in an Aaron Judge.
That ball was one hundred miles an hour with a
late movement on his hands, and he put that thing
what would have been him out for the foul pole
into the third deck right down the line, just an
absolute rocket. So it's caused some people to go, Aaron Judge,
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that's his moment. Matter of fact, Joe Davis on the
call on Fox said, if it goes, if it's fair,
it's his moment.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It was his moment.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Jason Stewart, on the other hand, who of course said
that Mookie Betts was not clutched before Mookie Bets became
clutched last year, Like it does a really eliminate all
of the This is a nothing game in comparison to
CS games or World Series games and real clutch games,
and so it doesn't count on the Jason Stewart scale
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of cleutchness.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Is that about, right, Chase.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Douo, I never said anything about questions, I understand, but yeah,
this is everyone thinks this is a signature moment. In fact,
Cowherd opened his show this way.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
You need a moment last night Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally
had his moment.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
I think that that's an amalgamation of like all the
blue check marks on Twitter last night who said, finally
Aaron Judge has delivered his postseason moment.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I don't know, man, I just do I think this
is this should be his final moment, Like no, but
they were down three runs.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was looking bleak.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
The Yankees starting pitching, which is supposedly their strength, has
gotten lit up in all three games. And Aaron Judge
is the guy who with one swing can kind of
even the playing field.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And it wasn't It wasn't a tater, it wasn't a
hung slider, it wasn't a bad pitch. It was a
nearly impossible pitch to do what he did, and he
did it. Anyway, Do I think it's his signature moment
that forever is going to last.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
No.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Do I think we should diminish and say, well, because
it's in the DS, it doesn't measure up with the
World Series and CS. I also think the World the
word is no, because the pressure is still the same Jason.
It's still on you to perform or your team likely
goes home.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And he did perform.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Now, baseball plays out usually in larger sample sizes, although
the small all sample sized the playoffs is what matters
to most of us, and we still have to see
exactly what it looks like for Aaron Judge the rest
of his career. So again, I don't think it's this.
It shouldn't be the seminal moment of his career. But
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we were waiting for not just a home run, but
one that actually mattered, and we got one last night.
I don't know that felt like it changed the entire series.
That felt like it changed the entire playoffs. Now to
your point, they lose in Game four, he strikes, he
gets the golden sombrero, and did it really do anything?
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But if you build on it, that's the moment where
the hit started coming. That's the moment when the homer
started coming. That's the moment that Aaron Judge regular season
starts being Aaron Judge postseason. That's where I would sort
of meet people halfway that you may find that Jay
stud to be offensit or that's just the reality of it.
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It's no different than Mookie Betts last year. Is that
you can't get your second home run in the DS
until you get your first. You can't become a clutch
player or a guy who gets big hits until you
get your first.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And he got him last night.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Isn't anybody who watched that game, and I was watching
that game who didn't think, oh my.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Feels totally different. Now.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
One swing of the bat and a really difficult pitch
to hit.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Can it go out the window?
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Of course right.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's just like you know, if you come back from
way behind, you force overtime, and then you lose in overtime.
It's like, well, you know, it was a great player,
But does it really change things? I think for Aaron Judge,
the fact that that's his moment to this point shows
how disappointing he's been the playoffs. It doesn't become a
triggering moment if it doesn't trigger a bunch of other
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great things. But if it does, I think that's the
moment things turned. That's the moment things flipped. That's the
moment that the Blue Jays understood they're facing an unbelievably
dynamic lineup, guys in front, guys behind, and if you
make a mistake, and that wasn't even a mistake to
a guy like Aaron Judge, he's going to change the
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entire game.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Dan Byr, what do you think.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Well, I look at it. If the Yankees lose today,
then everybody who talked about this being a moment looks silly.
And I don't think that there's a lot on the
line for people in calling this this historic moment, the
call last night of being his moment, mind you, for
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a team that has won twenty seven World championships, but
we're going to do it again, as it's been stated
in Game three of the American League Divisional Series in
a best of five. I just think it's a prisoner
of the moment scenario. Judge is hitting what five hundred
in this postseason right now, and it felt like it
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felt like those who are supporting Judge and maybe wanting
to say, look at what Aaron Judge has done, They're like, Okay,
now do you see it? Now? Do you see it?
And I think it's the fault of people who didn't
see it previously. This home run was a great moment
last night, but I want to see if it does
change the tide. Does it become Dave Roberts stealing second base?
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In Game four? Do the Yankees go on a run?
And I just don't think that the people that are
saying on what a great magical moment it is think
that it's a Dave Roberts moment. I think they just
want to say it now and then if the Yankees lose,
it just goes off into the to the atmosphere and
nobody really talks about it again. But because I don't
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think that a home run in Game three of an
Alds is the moment.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Take that one step further, Doug, if there, if this
is his signature moment that at the end of everything,
we look back on this career and say, oh, and
he also hit a three run homer to tie a
game in the fourth inning of a divisional series. That's
going to be an indictment on the Yankees for not
cashing in having one of the top two people in
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baseball for ten fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Right, yeah, right, So I feel like Dan and I
are saying the same thing. Are you coming around to
what we're saying, Jason, I.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Don't think last by the way, I don't think last
night was magical. If you thought, if you took that
from that, Dan was not saying what you were saying. Yeah, yeah,
Dan is.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
More measured, a more measured version of what I was saying.
But this was one moment in time that people overreacted
to due to a recency bias.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Yes, and I don't think that people are saying I
think that like the Dave that I used the Dave
Roberts example, because did we really think the Red Sox
were going to be able to come back and win
that series when he had the stolen base.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
No.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
No, And so now we look back and say, ah,
that's the moment. Now people want to have receipts, they
want to tweet out, they want to say, hey, I
called it. This turned it around, because Doug, if it
does happen, guess what they call it. They know baseball.
If not, it just goes off into the to the
to the Netherlands. I just not not Holland. But you
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know what I mean. It's it's just such an overreactions game.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
They say Netherlands, Netherlands. So I think you're.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Okay, okay, I just yeah, I just think it's a
complete overreaction.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I can't stand this world. People are intolerant of other
cultures and the Dutch.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Powers.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Right, yeah, very nice, very nice.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I think you guys are diminishing it.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Last night, I just do that Yankee Yankee Yankee Stadium
that they were ready to revolt, they were ready to
walk out. You know those are there's like the greatest
fans ever, really the worst. They can just turn on
you in a heartbeat. And the natives were restless and
if Aaron Judge strikes out swinging in a bad pitch,
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then you know, then the stadium empties early. And he
took a pitch which you shouldn't be able to do
what he did. And I mean, I was, ironically like
I had. I was texting back and forth with Holiday
and he called me right after that.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I was like, was that a miss? He's like, no,
it was a great pitch.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Just a guy turned on a one hundred mile an
hour fastball with late movement and put it in the
parking lot and kept it fair.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Like that was crazy. So I maybe it's.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That I'm swayed by the skill that it takes to
hit such a ball. Maybe I'm swayed by the fact
that I feel the the energy. I felt the energy
of Yankee Stadium shift, and you had to ask yourself, like,
how many other opportunities you're going to get with Aaron
Judge up with run with ducks on the pond, you know,
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and a chance to one swing change the game, any
won swing changed the game.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I thought it was a gigantic, gigantic play in the
context of the game and the series, in terms of
his overall career. I totally agree with you Dan that
if it's left out there and they lose today and
he strikes out or whatever, and it's bad, then and
I would even agree with with Jason if if that
is the best moment of his playoff career when he's
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done playing baseball, what a disappointing career he's had, and
what a disappointment for the Yankees, right. I don't think
it obeyed that way. I just wonder if this will
turbo charge them to win the series.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
I will say this, and I think Yankee fans will
agree with me. I think, as you know, Sam often
likes to say, Steve Covino would be enraged by this conversation.
He's a big Yankee fan. But I think even Steve Covino,
of Covino and Rich would admit this until last night, okay,
And I'm I'm even willing to say it's still the
same that it is a signature play. Aaron Judges' signature
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postseason play was him dropping the ball in the fifth
inning of the World Series last year. There have been
t shirts made about him dropping the ball on centerfield.
That was his signature play, and I think it will
remain as signature play if the Yankees lose today, I.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Think it's fair. I don't know I dropping the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I think it's fair that he's kiss he had a
disappointing career, even though, as Dan point out, he's hitting
the hell of the ball this year.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I was just gonna say, like,
think of it, think about that, because I think this
is a great comparison. Barry Bonds was amazing in two
thousand and two. Right, Giants don't win the World Series,
Angels do. But with the with the Pirates, exactly what
do we remember? Couldn't throw out Sid Bream? Yeah, that's
that's from deep shortstop, right, Like, So to say that, like,
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I don't think that's fair to Judge because I don't
think that they win the series anyway. But in that moment,
like when we look back at how we look back
at Barry Bonds and all the greatness, I just I'd
rather I think that that's the reality of it. I
don't think that's fair to Judge. I don't think it's
fair for people to say that Judge hasn't performed when
he's hitting five hundred in the postseason like that, that's absurd.
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But I think that there are parallels to Barry Bonds
and if to what Jason's saying and what he did defensively,
because we still look back at the NLCS Game seven
in Atlanta, we do.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
All right, let's we'll continue this conversation throughout the show.
Give us your thoughts at Gottlieb Show on Twitter, at
Gottlieb Show on Instagram. It does feel like it's one
and a half against one. I get that Dan is
more in the in Jason's pocket a little bit in
terms of the argument, but I think Dan is a
little bit more towards the middle, whereas Jason is like, Eh,
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it doesn't mean nothing.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Never said that, never said it didn't mean nothing. I
specifically said out loud, And we can go back to
the tape. Was an amazing moment last night, amazing moment,
and you.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Have to back it up with more. You have to
back it up with more.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Right if he does that in game, in game, you know,
six of a World Series, down three to two, in
the bottom of the eighth inning or bottom.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Of the night, You're not going to get to that
unless you're this is Look, this is a belief.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It has nothing to do with the Yankees. And with
Aaron Judge, it's.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
The There was a game that the Cardinals on the
way to win the World Series where I'm trying to
think it was.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Shoot one of their writings. Who's the writing that was?
They called Uncle Charlie with the big.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Curveball when they beat the Phillies in Game five and
they tore off his uniform. Afterwards the Cardinals did in
celebration and it was like a one nothing game and
it was like a daytime game. This is back when
the Cardinals end up winning the World Series against the
Texas Rangers, and I was like, that was an incredibly
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clutch pitching performance and it was against like Roy Halliday,
I think was pitching for the Phills, and no one
remembers it because it was a Friday. There was a
bunch of football on a Saturday Sunday. It wasn't the
World Series. But you can still be crazy clutch and
perform in an elimination game or in this case, when
you're down three runs. Maybe that's huh.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was it was it?
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Wayne? Right?
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Wayno confirmed?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
With Ryan Berchenary said to Adam Waynwright.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, I think it was Adam Waynwright and I want
to say, like Adam Waynwright pitched like a one hitter
or something crazy and they tore off his uniform in celebration.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
So that's where this comes from.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
And it's like the Okay, wait, so your clutch them,
but you're not clutch when you pitch in the CS
of the World Series.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't believe in that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think Aaron Judge stepped up and saved his team
last night.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
They do they have to build on that, sure, does
it all or not? Yeah? If do?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I agree with you Ja that if that's the last,
if that's the biggest moment in his playoff career, then
he has a disappointing career. But you can't get to
more chances for those moments unless you do what he
did last night. And I thought that save their team.
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App Doug Gottlieb Show hereon Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday,
the news of the day was Joe Flacco was traded
from the Browns to the Bengals. Doesn't even have to
leave the state of Ohio doesn't have to leave the division.
Bengals desperately needed a quarterback odd fit, no doubt, right,
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and Flacco earlier in his career, if you go back
to his days at pitt at Delaware was actually he's
actually pretty athletic. But you know, at this age and
the longer he's played, the more of a statue he's become.
But behind that offensive line that seems like a stretch.
On the other hand, he's a veteran, won.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
He's dealt with these some of these sorts of situations
in Indy and obviously putt out fires in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Is best available anyway, Yesterday there was one report that
Shadoor Sanders was going to be the number two quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Remember he wasn't the number two quarterback before this.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It was actually Joe Flacco because Dylan Gabriel had been
named starter. Gabriel was solid as a as a first
time starter, although they lost this past weekend. Here's Kevin Stefanski,
head coach of the Browns, when who's asked something, Oh, oh,
go ahead, I'm sorry, Jase.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Tou So on the point that you were just making
that one report yesterday Cameron wolf of NFL Network, right,
and people started to just run with that that that
was sh Shadour's gonna be number two. The one guy
that didn't was Dan Byer, Like from the second we
put it on the group text, Dan was not believing
Cameron Wolfe's report that Shaduur was going to be number two,
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and he said something like this on the air about it.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
And I also don't think that Shador Sanders is the
guarantee to be the backup quarterback. And it has nothing
to do with Sanders. It would just be surprising to
me that the Browns would have two rookie quarterbacks be
there one and two. At this point, Bailey Zappi is
actually on the team's practice squad. To me, that makes
a lot more sense if if she.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
If he's the number if he's the number two.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yes, Well, what the Browns are also saying at this
point is a week ago Shadoor wasn't good enough to
be the backup quarterback to Dylan Gabriel, right, because they
said that Joe Flacca was going to be the backup.
So after one game, so in seven days in London,
mind you, they've now made the decision that Shador is
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ready for that backup role. I don't necessarily think that
that's the case. Some of the talk about Shador, as
you pointed out, wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them.
So now they're gonna, you know, have him be a
snap away from starting. I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, So Dan Bayern nailing it, go ahead, Dan, I.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Just he may be named this back up later this week, okay,
whatever the case is, but it's not a guarantee. And
I think everybody jumped to the conclusion yesterday that Shador
is going to be the backup. I just didn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Okay, let's take a listen to Kevin Sepancy, he's head
coach of the Browns. When he was asked about Shuldor.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Standers decided if Shador is going to be your number
two active quarterback for this weekend yet? Well, first I'd
tell you is that Joe Trade took us by surprise.
That was not something that we saw coming. You know,
they called us, and you know that's uh. It was
happened very fast, and happened not too long ago. So
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still working through all roster type of things. I just
I always have to be mindful of our players and
our players' development, and you know, I want to make
sure that I'm always doing what's best for our players
and of course our team. But you know, with young players,
I'm always thinking about last week making the change with
to Dylan. You have to think long and hard about
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that because these are these are young players that you're
so invested in their development. So I'll let the week
play out, make a decision later on.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
That I'm gonna tell you what I think.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I think he's waiting to see if he gets his way, right.
I think you could you could hear or maybe he
couldn't that he agrees with you, Dan. He gotta have
a veteran guys to back up. You gotta have somebody
who's done it before you got it. But he also
has an owner who very likely made the call for
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them to draft you Door Sanders. And I think he's like,
I'll let you know at the end of the week, right,
because if he had his way, he would go like, no,
I'm gonna put Sappy at two, He'll be at three,
and that's how we'll get But he also wants to
keep his job, and you will not keep your job
if you say something which directly contradicts the owner and
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more than a very strong guess is like you said,
he didn't know the Flacco thing was coming. He didn't
see it coming by the time he told about it.
He's like, well, I got it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
What am I doing? I don't even know yet. I
know what I want to.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Do, but I can't do it unless I get approval
from the owner. All Right, we'll circle back to that
in a moment. First, I want to welcome in Dougie Glamville.
He does a great job calling games on ESPN with
Boog Shamby. Of course, Boog is the voice of the
Cubs during the regular season. Tonight you'll hear him on
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ESPN Glanville. Of course, Doug played nine years in the majors,
longtime baseball writer commentator. As well, he launched his own
website called Welcome to Glanville.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Doug, take me to last night.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
What does Aaron Judge's home run mean to you about
Aaron Judge's career?
Speaker 7 (23:04):
A lot on one home run, I'll tell you. But
I think I was so blown away by his ability
to do what he did on that pitch that I've
taken polls I'm going around the stadium here at Wrigley
Field and asking, like, you know, Pat Murphy, I've asked
Justin Turner, I've asked Craig Counsel. I mean, it just
makes no sense what he was able to do with
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that ball on so many different levels. So whether it
was like the swing that changed the century, I don't know,
but that's the moment. If you don't understand the greatness
of Aaron Judge as a hitter, that's the moment that
he needs to look at to show that he not
only blew away the fans and the timing of it,
but blew away like all of major League Baseball as
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to what this guy's capable of doing, because that just
made no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I was talking with Matt Holliday like five minutes after.
We're just really close friends, and he essentially said the
same thing.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I was like, was that a miss?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
He's like, no, he just hit one hundred mile an
hour fastball off his hands into what would have been
the third deck.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
He's like, that's who does that? Right? Who does that?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
We're in the We're in the middle of this argument
over what it means, right.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I agree with you like it.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
It's not the end all be all of his career,
but does it change the narrative on his postseason success
if and only if they build on that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
On that hit last night?
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Yeah, well yeah, there's there's a narrative and I think
that's the key word, right, narrative. And it's really tough
to match the narrative around small samples or moments when
you don't less Sary have all the contacts, right, I mean,
it's it's still a small sample, right. I mean, you're
hitting five hundred now, so you're not going to hit
five hundred during a regular season, but it's a different season.
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And look, I didn't have a whole lot of postseason experience,
but you know I was one for one with a
triple in the NLCS, so I don't know what that
makes me. It was a game win he hit, so
you know, yes, you do feel like there's moments that
you personally, internally feel like you're rising to the occasion.
You feel locked in. There's moments where you feel like
you're kind of melting and don't want to admit it.
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You have all that and someone like Aaron Judge, who's
on this type of stage, who's performed as he has
year after year, Who's in this conversation of like great
right handed seasons of all time. The expectation in New
York especially is nothing other than winning, and if you're
not doing that at the level you did during the season,
then the questions are going to come. And I'm sure
he and his team understand that. But the results is
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what speaks, especially in places like New York, and there's
such an iconic franchise that has won everything under the
sun historically, but the last couple of twenty years it's
been kind of, you know, empty, and it's been throughout
his whole career. So that's where the questions come from.
But it is somewhat narrative, and when it's narrative, you
can rewrite your own story. And I think that that's
we'll see if that moment is exactly that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
What's happened to the Yankees pitching.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Well, the Blue Jays just look like they're a step ahead,
and I don't know if they you know, they're they're
picking up things, you know, Look, it's normal part of
the game that you're seeing. If people are tipping things,
you know, all those things come into play. But the
Blue Jays are a team that put the ball in
play like that's their sort of secret weapon. They put
the ball in pray play. They create pressure on your defense.
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You have to execute in the field if you give
them an extra out, if you don't get the pitch
where you want it, you're going to have to defend.
And it exposes you on the defensive side. And it's
not just like, oh, a ball went through their legs.
It's execution. Are you throwing to the right base, are
you hitting the cutoff man? Like that's where the Blue
Jays is completely get under your skin and exploit you.
(26:46):
And and so that's you have to play a Chris
defensive game all the time against the Blue Jays to
beat them when they're swinging the bats well, which they are.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Doug Lanville joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports. Rod.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's a couple of dugs hanging out. I'm talking ball.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So he's actually joining us from Wrigley. He's on the
field at historic Wrigley Field as the Cubs come in
down two games done with the Brewers. What do you
think of the matchup tonight at Wrigley.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Well, I look at so Jamison ty On is pitching
for the Cubs, and where he has an advantage tonight.
All signs are indicating the wind's going to be blowing
pretty strong in from center field. He is a fly
ball pitcher, and he's a pitcher who will tell you,
you know what, I'll give up the occasional home run.
I'm hoping it's solo, but that's just part of my
game when I go for the pitches at the top
of his own. Well, he doesn't really have that issue
(27:37):
as much tonight unless he gets that like low line
drive to left center, which kind of beats the win.
So that's a big advantage, and the Brewers know he's
pitched well against them. He's got this change up kind
of that's worked really well to neutralize lefties. He's got
the curve ball going, so he's a tough pitcher. I
do see the pitching advantage in their favor. Now, you know,
you talk about Priest on the twin Priester on the
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Brewer side, he's more of a sinker ball, round ball
pitcher kind of that's his style. So that you know,
the Cubs definitely feel optimistic that they have the right matchup,
but they got to get the offense filling to really
make that come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There's some video out there of the Brewers when they're
at second base, you know, moving their left arm, and
you know it's been a that that's baseball as a
guy who played in the league and you're watching this,
Are the Brewers using guys on base to tip off
at least location for their hitters?
Speaker 7 (28:32):
I mean they may, I mean any of these teams
may do that. And that's you know, one of the
things that how does it get addressed? Well, it's usually
something like in the game and someone challenges someone and
all you know that all these unwritten rules and codes
that come with baseball. But at the same time, you know,
the team as a team against all teams that are
always trying to find an edge, you got to find
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that extra step to get ahead of it or to
stop it from being a factor. And that's part of
the game. Like all these we talk to all season
long and they tell you like, look, we know people
are stealing our signs. We know people are doing this.
Is you know, you have to defend against this at
all times, and that's how you know you're able to
hit one hundred and one miles an hour and know what's.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Coming Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
do want to ask you about the Dodgers. They're up
two games done, but the bullpen is still an issue.
Can they win the World Series despite the failings of
their bullpen?
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Absolutely, there's no question. I mean, the Dodgers are so loaded,
and yeah, they might be kind of like had another
gear and they found it. But the thing about the
pitching that I think is sometimes like another way to
characterize it could be they have so much talent in
their pit things that they don't even have to know
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like what role anybody has. I'm going to bring in
this guy now, Oh, so Zakari always a closer, always
throws one hundred and one too. Oh, We're going to
bring in Shean. So it's just a matter of like
settling into like what their roles are, and right now
everybody's available, like that's how they're using it. But the
thing is they have starters that can go six, six,
and seven, including Otani. So that's the other X factor
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because you don't have to cover like like the Brewers are.
You don't have to cover seven innings, six innings, five inning,
you can just cover three and which is you know,
all those guys that's gonna throw a hundred, except for Vessio,
who's really nasty. So I don't see them as like
a problem. I think it's just settling into like what
everybody's doing and getting those roles. Because yes, they've had
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and I did the CS against the Reds and the
eighth inning was a disaster both nights, but they also
had big leads in both cases, so it was like, okay, fine,
we're now now instead of ten to two, it's ten
to four, you know, don't I don't see it as
like a weakness. I see them not performing well, but
I don't think it's a weakness at all. I think
it's a zaki these guys have. They have just too
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many weapons.
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with Dan Byer.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Mm hmmm, what he got there, Dan Byr.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Doug. The game today is for Better or Worse? All right?
This is where I give you a topic. You get
to tell us what is better and what is worse? Doug,
for Better or Worse? The World Series is the topic,
a rematch of last year between the Dodgers and Yankees
versus a non rematch, just any new sort of showdown.
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What would be better or worse.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
A rematch with the Yankees? And what's the yellow one?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
It's Yankees Dodgers. Would you rather have that? Or would
you rather have a new matchup in the World Series
this year?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'd rather have Yankees Dodgers. Yankees Dodgers is better. It
just is.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I continue I understand that that would be the rich
getting richer, gigantic payrolls, but I continue to believe, and
the more baseball I watch, I get confirmation biased that
the game is actually in a really good place. It moves,
the rules have changed, the rules make sense in terms
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of speeding it along, there's a competitive balance to it
and all the other stuff. But people won't watch if
it's Blue Jays versus Mariners. They just won't, you know.
I love the Brewers, and maybe the Brewers beat the Dodgers. Maybe,
and the Brewers have been better than the Dodgers in
the regular season, but people won't watch as much. And
(33:38):
I think the Dodgers are really good. I think the
Yankees are really good. And for the Yankees, it'd be
a good if they could find a way come from
two games to none down I don't know. I just
I like more eyes on a sport we all love.
And that's the best way to get more eyes in
the sport we all love.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Well, imagine the storylines if it was Brewers and Mariners,
because it was the Seattle pilots who turned into the
Milwaukee Brewers after just one season in Seattle, Doug. That
leads us to our next question, for better or worse?
A better Cinderella another higher seeds, but Brewers versus Mariners
or worse Cinderella. Brewers or Mariners?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I think who? I think Brewers are better than the Mariners.
Here's why.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Remember right now, they got to beat the Cubs, right,
and the Cubs got Craig Counsel, and Craig Counsel was
the manager of the Brewers. I know you know this,
Dand but you know among the reasons he left to go,
he wasn't getting fired from the Brewers to the Cubs
was Cubs have more resources, more likely to win, more money, right,
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so they beat them. Then they play the Dodgers. Dodgers
more resources, more money, way more money. It's not that
the Mariners have the highest payroll. It's not that the
Mariners aren't a great story and if we're honest with ourselves, though,
the Pacific Northwest is beautiful and it's always a place
to where you get off the plane, you're.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Like, I can live here. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You never do it's it doesn't even feel like you're
in the United States sometimes, and it's kind of like
the forgotten team.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
The Mariners like a forgotten team.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
So that would be great, But the Brewers are better
in the in the context of money and how they're
viewed in a cinerella story.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
All right, for better or worse. We're talking about balls
on poles here, a kickoff, a kickoff, kick off the upright,
or a ball hit off the foul pole. So we've
got some balls, yes, yes, ball they kick off the
upright versus a ball that was hit off the foul pole.
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What is better or worse?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Ball at the foul pole is better?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
To me?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Those balls are perfect. I agree with you. My thinking
is is any kick that hits the upright that goes in,
you go, oh gosh, thank goodness. Where if you have juck, Yeah,
and if you have judges last night you're like, oh
my gosh, that was amazing, Like that was that was great?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I Also, I also love the microphone by the pole
where it hits it the boo.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
They're loud because the MIC's in the NFL like are
right there so when you can hit it spot on.
But also hitting the follow poll is really only good
in baseball where the NFL, just as Cody Parky can
only be a negative. And finally, for better or worse,
Joe Flacco as a Jet or Joe Flacco as a Bronco.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I'd forgotten both. Push push push.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
That's came to.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Game.
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Then Dougie Glanville will join us. Of course he'll be
calling the game three of the Brewers Cubs game today
with our guy Boog Shambi on ESPN. Of course, played
nine years major League baseball. I want to start with
last night's Aaron Judge home run. Actually, let's just get
this out of the way so we can get the
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call out of the way and then talk about all
the layers to the home run.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
The Yankees were down three runs.
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Game three of a potentially potential five games series, down
two games to none, at home, down three runs.
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Speaker 4 (02:00):
Here's the pitch, high flight ball deep left field, down
the left field line.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It is off the fair pole.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Hey now, hey, now hey now free m hover air
and judge this game is tied.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's six sect unbelievable, unbelievable talent in an Aaron Judge.
That ball was one hundred miles an hour with a
late movement on his hands, and he put that thing
what would have been him out for the foul pole
into the third deck right down the line, just an
absolute rocket. So it's caused some people to go, Aaron Judge,
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that's his moment. Matter of fact, Joe Davis on the
call on Fox said, if it goes, if it's fair,
it's his moment.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It was his moment.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Jason Stewart, on the other hand, who of course said
that Mookie Betts was not clutched before Mookie Bets became
clutched last year, Like it does a really eliminate all
of the This is a nothing game in comparison to
CS games or World Series games and real clutch games,
and so it doesn't count on the Jason Stewart scale
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of cleutchness.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Is that about, right, Chase.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Douo, I never said anything about questions, I understand, but yeah,
this is everyone thinks this is a signature moment. In fact,
Cowherd opened his show this way.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
You need a moment last night Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally
had his moment.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
I think that that's an amalgamation of like all the
blue check marks on Twitter last night who said, finally
Aaron Judge has delivered his postseason moment.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I don't know, man, I just do I think this
is this should be his final moment, Like no, but
they were down three runs.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was looking bleak.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
The Yankees starting pitching, which is supposedly their strength, has
gotten lit up in all three games. And Aaron Judge
is the guy who with one swing can kind of
even the playing field.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And it wasn't It wasn't a tater, it wasn't a
hung slider, it wasn't a bad pitch. It was a
nearly impossible pitch to do what he did, and he
did it. Anyway, Do I think it's his signature moment
that forever is going to last.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
No.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Do I think we should diminish and say, well, because
it's in the DS, it doesn't measure up with the
World Series and CS. I also think the World the
word is no, because the pressure is still the same Jason.
It's still on you to perform or your team likely
goes home.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And he did perform.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Now, baseball plays out usually in larger sample sizes, although
the small all sample sized the playoffs is what matters
to most of us, and we still have to see
exactly what it looks like for Aaron Judge the rest
of his career. So again, I don't think it's this.
It shouldn't be the seminal moment of his career. But
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we were waiting for not just a home run, but
one that actually mattered, and we got one last night.
I don't know that felt like it changed the entire series.
That felt like it changed the entire playoffs. Now to
your point, they lose in Game four, he strikes, he
gets the golden sombrero, and did it really do anything?
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But if you build on it, that's the moment where
the hit started coming. That's the moment when the homer
started coming. That's the moment that Aaron Judge regular season
starts being Aaron Judge postseason. That's where I would sort
of meet people halfway that you may find that Jay
stud to be offensit or that's just the reality of it.
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It's no different than Mookie Betts last year. Is that
you can't get your second home run in the DS
until you get your first. You can't become a clutch
player or a guy who gets big hits until you
get your first.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And he got him last night.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Isn't anybody who watched that game, and I was watching
that game who didn't think, oh my.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Feels totally different. Now.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
One swing of the bat and a really difficult pitch
to hit.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Can it go out the window?
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Of course right.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's just like you know, if you come back from
way behind, you force overtime, and then you lose in overtime.
It's like, well, you know, it was a great player,
But does it really change things? I think for Aaron Judge,
the fact that that's his moment to this point shows
how disappointing he's been the playoffs. It doesn't become a
triggering moment if it doesn't trigger a bunch of other
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great things. But if it does, I think that's the
moment things turned. That's the moment things flipped. That's the
moment that the Blue Jays understood they're facing an unbelievably
dynamic lineup, guys in front, guys behind, and if you
make a mistake, and that wasn't even a mistake to
a guy like Aaron Judge, he's going to change the
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entire game.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Dan Byr, what do you think.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Well, I look at it. If the Yankees lose today,
then everybody who talked about this being a moment looks silly.
And I don't think that there's a lot on the
line for people in calling this this historic moment, the
call last night of being his moment, mind you, for
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a team that has won twenty seven World championships, but
we're going to do it again, as it's been stated
in Game three of the American League Divisional Series in
a best of five. I just think it's a prisoner
of the moment scenario. Judge is hitting what five hundred
in this postseason right now, and it felt like it
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felt like those who are supporting Judge and maybe wanting
to say, look at what Aaron Judge has done, They're like, Okay,
now do you see it? Now? Do you see it?
And I think it's the fault of people who didn't
see it previously. This home run was a great moment
last night, but I want to see if it does
change the tide. Does it become Dave Roberts stealing second base?
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In Game four? Do the Yankees go on a run?
And I just don't think that the people that are
saying on what a great magical moment it is think
that it's a Dave Roberts moment. I think they just
want to say it now and then if the Yankees lose,
it just goes off into the to the atmosphere and
nobody really talks about it again. But because I don't
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think that a home run in Game three of an
Alds is the moment.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Take that one step further, Doug, if there, if this
is his signature moment that at the end of everything,
we look back on this career and say, oh, and
he also hit a three run homer to tie a
game in the fourth inning of a divisional series. That's
going to be an indictment on the Yankees for not
cashing in having one of the top two people in
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baseball for ten fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Right, yeah, right, So I feel like Dan and I
are saying the same thing. Are you coming around to
what we're saying, Jason, I.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Don't think last by the way, I don't think last
night was magical. If you thought, if you took that
from that, Dan was not saying what you were saying. Yeah, yeah,
Dan is.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
More measured, a more measured version of what I was saying.
But this was one moment in time that people overreacted
to due to a recency bias.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Yes, and I don't think that people are saying I
think that like the Dave that I used the Dave
Roberts example, because did we really think the Red Sox
were going to be able to come back and win
that series when he had the stolen base.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
No.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
No, And so now we look back and say, ah,
that's the moment. Now people want to have receipts, they
want to tweet out, they want to say, hey, I
called it. This turned it around, because Doug, if it
does happen, guess what they call it. They know baseball.
If not, it just goes off into the to the
to the Netherlands. I just not not Holland. But you
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know what I mean. It's it's just such an overreactions game.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
They say Netherlands, Netherlands. So I think you're.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Okay, okay, I just yeah, I just think it's a
complete overreaction.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I can't stand this world. People are intolerant of other
cultures and the Dutch.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Powers.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Right, yeah, very nice, very nice.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I think you guys are diminishing it.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Last night, I just do that Yankee Yankee Yankee Stadium
that they were ready to revolt, they were ready to
walk out. You know those are there's like the greatest
fans ever, really the worst. They can just turn on
you in a heartbeat. And the natives were restless and
if Aaron Judge strikes out swinging in a bad pitch,
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then you know, then the stadium empties early. And he
took a pitch which you shouldn't be able to do
what he did. And I mean, I was, ironically like
I had. I was texting back and forth with Holiday
and he called me right after that.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I was like, was that a miss? He's like, no,
it was a great pitch.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Just a guy turned on a one hundred mile an
hour fastball with late movement and put it in the
parking lot and kept it fair.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Like that was crazy. So I maybe it's.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That I'm swayed by the skill that it takes to
hit such a ball. Maybe I'm swayed by the fact
that I feel the the energy. I felt the energy
of Yankee Stadium shift, and you had to ask yourself, like,
how many other opportunities you're going to get with Aaron
Judge up with run with ducks on the pond, you know,
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and a chance to one swing change the game, any
won swing changed the game.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I thought it was a gigantic, gigantic play in the
context of the game and the series, in terms of
his overall career. I totally agree with you Dan that
if it's left out there and they lose today and
he strikes out or whatever, and it's bad, then and
I would even agree with with Jason if if that
is the best moment of his playoff career when he's
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done playing baseball, what a disappointing career he's had, and
what a disappointment for the Yankees, right. I don't think
it obeyed that way. I just wonder if this will
turbo charge them to win the series.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
I will say this, and I think Yankee fans will
agree with me. I think, as you know, Sam often
likes to say, Steve Covino would be enraged by this conversation.
He's a big Yankee fan. But I think even Steve Covino,
of Covino and Rich would admit this until last night, okay,
And I'm I'm even willing to say it's still the
same that it is a signature play. Aaron Judges' signature
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postseason play was him dropping the ball in the fifth
inning of the World Series last year. There have been
t shirts made about him dropping the ball on centerfield.
That was his signature play, and I think it will
remain as signature play if the Yankees lose today, I.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Think it's fair. I don't know I dropping the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I think it's fair that he's kiss he had a
disappointing career, even though, as Dan point out, he's hitting
the hell of the ball this year.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I was just gonna say, like,
think of it, think about that, because I think this
is a great comparison. Barry Bonds was amazing in two
thousand and two. Right, Giants don't win the World Series,
Angels do. But with the with the Pirates, exactly what
do we remember? Couldn't throw out Sid Bream? Yeah, that's
that's from deep shortstop, right, Like, So to say that, like,
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I don't think that's fair to Judge because I don't
think that they win the series anyway. But in that moment,
like when we look back at how we look back
at Barry Bonds and all the greatness, I just I'd
rather I think that that's the reality of it. I
don't think that's fair to Judge. I don't think it's
fair for people to say that Judge hasn't performed when
he's hitting five hundred in the postseason like that, that's absurd.
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But I think that there are parallels to Barry Bonds
and if to what Jason's saying and what he did defensively,
because we still look back at the NLCS Game seven
in Atlanta, we do.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
All right, let's we'll continue this conversation throughout the show.
Give us your thoughts at Gottlieb Show on Twitter, at
Gottlieb Show on Instagram. It does feel like it's one
and a half against one. I get that Dan is
more in the in Jason's pocket a little bit in
terms of the argument, but I think Dan is a
little bit more towards the middle, whereas Jason is like, Eh,
(14:51):
it doesn't mean nothing.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Never said that, never said it didn't mean nothing. I
specifically said out loud, And we can go back to
the tape. Was an amazing moment last night, amazing moment,
and you.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Have to back it up with more. You have to
back it up with more.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Right if he does that in game, in game, you know,
six of a World Series, down three to two, in
the bottom of the eighth inning or bottom.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Of the night, You're not going to get to that
unless you're this is Look, this is a belief.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It has nothing to do with the Yankees. And with
Aaron Judge, it's.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
The There was a game that the Cardinals on the
way to win the World Series where I'm trying to
think it was.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Shoot one of their writings. Who's the writing that was?
They called Uncle Charlie with the big.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Curveball when they beat the Phillies in Game five and
they tore off his uniform. Afterwards the Cardinals did in
celebration and it was like a one nothing game and
it was like a daytime game. This is back when
the Cardinals end up winning the World Series against the
Texas Rangers, and I was like, that was an incredibly
(16:05):
clutch pitching performance and it was against like Roy Halliday,
I think was pitching for the Phills, and no one
remembers it because it was a Friday. There was a
bunch of football on a Saturday Sunday. It wasn't the
World Series. But you can still be crazy clutch and
perform in an elimination game or in this case, when
you're down three runs. Maybe that's huh.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was it was it?
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Wayne? Right?
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Wayno confirmed?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
With Ryan Berchenary said to Adam Waynwright.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, I think it was Adam Waynwright and I want
to say, like Adam Waynwright pitched like a one hitter
or something crazy and they tore off his uniform in celebration.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
So that's where this comes from.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
And it's like the Okay, wait, so your clutch them,
but you're not clutch when you pitch in the CS
of the World Series.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't believe in that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think Aaron Judge stepped up and saved his team
last night.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
They do they have to build on that, sure, does
it all or not? Yeah? If do?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I agree with you Ja that if that's the last,
if that's the biggest moment in his playoff career, then
he has a disappointing career. But you can't get to
more chances for those moments unless you do what he
did last night. And I thought that save their team.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 3 (17:21):
App Doug Gottlieb Show hereon Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday,
the news of the day was Joe Flacco was traded
from the Browns to the Bengals. Doesn't even have to
leave the state of Ohio doesn't have to leave the division.
Bengals desperately needed a quarterback odd fit, no doubt, right,
(17:43):
and Flacco earlier in his career, if you go back
to his days at pitt at Delaware was actually he's
actually pretty athletic. But you know, at this age and
the longer he's played, the more of a statue he's become.
But behind that offensive line that seems like a stretch.
On the other hand, he's a veteran, won.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
He's dealt with these some of these sorts of situations
in Indy and obviously putt out fires in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Is best available anyway, Yesterday there was one report that
Shadoor Sanders was going to be the number two quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Remember he wasn't the number two quarterback before this.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It was actually Joe Flacco because Dylan Gabriel had been
named starter. Gabriel was solid as a as a first
time starter, although they lost this past weekend. Here's Kevin Stefanski,
head coach of the Browns, when who's asked something, Oh, oh,
go ahead, I'm sorry, Jase.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Tou So on the point that you were just making
that one report yesterday Cameron wolf of NFL Network, right,
and people started to just run with that that that
was sh Shadour's gonna be number two. The one guy
that didn't was Dan Byer, Like from the second we
put it on the group text, Dan was not believing
Cameron Wolfe's report that Shaduur was going to be number two,
(18:56):
and he said something like this on the air about it.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
And I also don't think that Shador Sanders is the
guarantee to be the backup quarterback. And it has nothing
to do with Sanders. It would just be surprising to
me that the Browns would have two rookie quarterbacks be
there one and two. At this point, Bailey Zappi is
actually on the team's practice squad. To me, that makes
a lot more sense if if she.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
If he's the number if he's the number two.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yes, Well, what the Browns are also saying at this
point is a week ago Shadoor wasn't good enough to
be the backup quarterback to Dylan Gabriel, right, because they
said that Joe Flacca was going to be the backup.
So after one game, so in seven days in London,
mind you, they've now made the decision that Shador is
(19:47):
ready for that backup role. I don't necessarily think that
that's the case. Some of the talk about Shador, as
you pointed out, wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them.
So now they're gonna, you know, have him be a
snap away from starting. I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, So Dan Bayern nailing it, go ahead, Dan, I.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Just he may be named this back up later this week, okay,
whatever the case is, but it's not a guarantee. And
I think everybody jumped to the conclusion yesterday that Shador
is going to be the backup. I just didn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Okay, let's take a listen to Kevin Sepancy, he's head
coach of the Browns. When he was asked about Shuldor.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Standers decided if Shador is going to be your number
two active quarterback for this weekend yet? Well, first I'd
tell you is that Joe Trade took us by surprise.
That was not something that we saw coming. You know,
they called us, and you know that's uh. It was
happened very fast, and happened not too long ago. So
(20:49):
still working through all roster type of things. I just
I always have to be mindful of our players and
our players' development, and you know, I want to make
sure that I'm always doing what's best for our players
and of course our team. But you know, with young players,
I'm always thinking about last week making the change with
to Dylan. You have to think long and hard about
(21:11):
that because these are these are young players that you're
so invested in their development. So I'll let the week
play out, make a decision later on.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
That I'm gonna tell you what I think.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I think he's waiting to see if he gets his way, right.
I think you could you could hear or maybe he
couldn't that he agrees with you, Dan. He gotta have
a veteran guys to back up. You gotta have somebody
who's done it before you got it. But he also
has an owner who very likely made the call for
(21:46):
them to draft you Door Sanders. And I think he's like,
I'll let you know at the end of the week, right,
because if he had his way, he would go like, no,
I'm gonna put Sappy at two, He'll be at three,
and that's how we'll get But he also wants to
keep his job, and you will not keep your job
if you say something which directly contradicts the owner and
(22:09):
more than a very strong guess is like you said,
he didn't know the Flacco thing was coming. He didn't
see it coming by the time he told about it.
He's like, well, I got it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
What am I doing? I don't even know yet. I
know what I want to.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Do, but I can't do it unless I get approval
from the owner. All Right, we'll circle back to that
in a moment. First, I want to welcome in Dougie Glamville.
He does a great job calling games on ESPN with
Boog Shamby. Of course, Boog is the voice of the
Cubs during the regular season. Tonight you'll hear him on
(22:42):
ESPN Glanville. Of course, Doug played nine years in the majors,
longtime baseball writer commentator. As well, he launched his own
website called Welcome to Glanville.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Doug, take me to last night.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
What does Aaron Judge's home run mean to you about
Aaron Judge's career?
Speaker 7 (23:04):
A lot on one home run, I'll tell you. But
I think I was so blown away by his ability
to do what he did on that pitch that I've
taken polls I'm going around the stadium here at Wrigley
Field and asking, like, you know, Pat Murphy, I've asked
Justin Turner, I've asked Craig Counsel. I mean, it just
makes no sense what he was able to do with
(23:25):
that ball on so many different levels. So whether it
was like the swing that changed the century, I don't know,
but that's the moment. If you don't understand the greatness
of Aaron Judge as a hitter, that's the moment that
he needs to look at to show that he not
only blew away the fans and the timing of it,
but blew away like all of major League Baseball as
(23:46):
to what this guy's capable of doing, because that just
made no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I was talking with Matt Holliday like five minutes after.
We're just really close friends, and he essentially said the
same thing.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I was like, was that a miss?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
He's like, no, he just hit one hundred mile an
hour fastball off his hands into what would have been
the third deck.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
He's like, that's who does that? Right? Who does that?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
We're in the We're in the middle of this argument
over what it means, right.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I agree with you like it.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
It's not the end all be all of his career,
but does it change the narrative on his postseason success
if and only if they build on that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
On that hit last night?
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Yeah, well yeah, there's there's a narrative and I think
that's the key word, right, narrative. And it's really tough
to match the narrative around small samples or moments when
you don't less Sary have all the contacts, right, I mean,
it's it's still a small sample, right. I mean, you're
hitting five hundred now, so you're not going to hit
five hundred during a regular season, but it's a different season.
(24:53):
And look, I didn't have a whole lot of postseason experience,
but you know I was one for one with a
triple in the NLCS, so I don't know what that
makes me. It was a game win he hit, so
you know, yes, you do feel like there's moments that
you personally, internally feel like you're rising to the occasion.
You feel locked in. There's moments where you feel like
you're kind of melting and don't want to admit it.
(25:15):
You have all that and someone like Aaron Judge, who's
on this type of stage, who's performed as he has
year after year, Who's in this conversation of like great
right handed seasons of all time. The expectation in New
York especially is nothing other than winning, and if you're
not doing that at the level you did during the season,
then the questions are going to come. And I'm sure
he and his team understand that. But the results is
(25:38):
what speaks, especially in places like New York, and there's
such an iconic franchise that has won everything under the
sun historically, but the last couple of twenty years it's
been kind of, you know, empty, and it's been throughout
his whole career. So that's where the questions come from.
But it is somewhat narrative, and when it's narrative, you
can rewrite your own story. And I think that that's
we'll see if that moment is exactly that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
What's happened to the Yankees pitching.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Well, the Blue Jays just look like they're a step ahead,
and I don't know if they you know, they're they're
picking up things, you know, Look, it's normal part of
the game that you're seeing. If people are tipping things,
you know, all those things come into play. But the
Blue Jays are a team that put the ball in
play like that's their sort of secret weapon. They put
the ball in pray play. They create pressure on your defense.
(26:25):
You have to execute in the field if you give
them an extra out, if you don't get the pitch
where you want it, you're going to have to defend.
And it exposes you on the defensive side. And it's
not just like, oh, a ball went through their legs.
It's execution. Are you throwing to the right base, are
you hitting the cutoff man? Like that's where the Blue
Jays is completely get under your skin and exploit you.
(26:46):
And and so that's you have to play a Chris
defensive game all the time against the Blue Jays to
beat them when they're swinging the bats well, which they are.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Doug Lanville joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports. Rod.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's a couple of dugs hanging out. I'm talking ball.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So he's actually joining us from Wrigley. He's on the
field at historic Wrigley Field as the Cubs come in
down two games done with the Brewers. What do you
think of the matchup tonight at Wrigley.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Well, I look at so Jamison ty On is pitching
for the Cubs, and where he has an advantage tonight.
All signs are indicating the wind's going to be blowing
pretty strong in from center field. He is a fly
ball pitcher, and he's a pitcher who will tell you,
you know what, I'll give up the occasional home run.
I'm hoping it's solo, but that's just part of my
game when I go for the pitches at the top
of his own. Well, he doesn't really have that issue
(27:37):
as much tonight unless he gets that like low line
drive to left center, which kind of beats the win.
So that's a big advantage, and the Brewers know he's
pitched well against them. He's got this change up kind
of that's worked really well to neutralize lefties. He's got
the curve ball going, so he's a tough pitcher. I
do see the pitching advantage in their favor. Now, you know,
you talk about Priest on the twin Priester on the
(27:59):
Brewer side, he's more of a sinker ball, round ball
pitcher kind of that's his style. So that you know,
the Cubs definitely feel optimistic that they have the right matchup,
but they got to get the offense filling to really
make that come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There's some video out there of the Brewers when they're
at second base, you know, moving their left arm, and
you know it's been a that that's baseball as a
guy who played in the league and you're watching this,
Are the Brewers using guys on base to tip off
at least location for their hitters?
Speaker 7 (28:32):
I mean they may, I mean any of these teams
may do that. And that's you know, one of the
things that how does it get addressed? Well, it's usually
something like in the game and someone challenges someone and
all you know that all these unwritten rules and codes
that come with baseball. But at the same time, you know,
the team as a team against all teams that are
always trying to find an edge, you got to find
(28:53):
that extra step to get ahead of it or to
stop it from being a factor. And that's part of
the game. Like all these we talk to all season
long and they tell you like, look, we know people
are stealing our signs. We know people are doing this.
Is you know, you have to defend against this at
all times, and that's how you know you're able to
hit one hundred and one miles an hour and know what's.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Coming Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
do want to ask you about the Dodgers. They're up
two games done, but the bullpen is still an issue.
Can they win the World Series despite the failings of
their bullpen?
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Absolutely, there's no question. I mean, the Dodgers are so loaded,
and yeah, they might be kind of like had another
gear and they found it. But the thing about the
pitching that I think is sometimes like another way to
characterize it could be they have so much talent in
their pit things that they don't even have to know
(29:48):
like what role anybody has. I'm going to bring in
this guy now, Oh, so Zakari always a closer, always
throws one hundred and one too. Oh, We're going to
bring in Shean. So it's just a matter of like
settling into like what their roles are, and right now
everybody's available, like that's how they're using it. But the
thing is they have starters that can go six, six,
and seven, including Otani. So that's the other X factor
(30:11):
because you don't have to cover like like the Brewers are.
You don't have to cover seven innings, six innings, five inning,
you can just cover three and which is you know,
all those guys that's gonna throw a hundred, except for Vessio,
who's really nasty. So I don't see them as like
a problem. I think it's just settling into like what
everybody's doing and getting those roles. Because yes, they've had
(30:33):
and I did the CS against the Reds and the
eighth inning was a disaster both nights, but they also
had big leads in both cases, so it was like, okay, fine,
we're now now instead of ten to two, it's ten
to four, you know, don't I don't see it as
like a weakness. I see them not performing well, but
I don't think it's a weakness at all. I think
it's a zaki these guys have. They have just too
(30:55):
many weapons.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports. That's the voice
of Doug Glanville. Doug, great stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We know you got to run. We really appreciate you
being our guests.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
And again that that website is that site's called Welcome
to Glanville.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Of course you can pick up his books as well. Doug,
have a great call. Tell boo. Guys said what's up
and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
Well.
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(32:02):
with Dan Byer.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Mm hmmm, what he got there, Dan Byr.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Doug. The game today is for Better or Worse? All right?
This is where I give you a topic. You get
to tell us what is better and what is worse? Doug,
for Better or Worse? The World Series is the topic,
a rematch of last year between the Dodgers and Yankees
versus a non rematch, just any new sort of showdown.
(32:38):
What would be better or worse.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
A rematch with the Yankees? And what's the yellow one?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
It's Yankees Dodgers. Would you rather have that? Or would
you rather have a new matchup in the World Series
this year?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'd rather have Yankees Dodgers. Yankees Dodgers is better. It
just is.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I continue I understand that that would be the rich
getting richer, gigantic payrolls, but I continue to believe, and
the more baseball I watch, I get confirmation biased that
the game is actually in a really good place. It moves,
the rules have changed, the rules make sense in terms
(33:15):
of speeding it along, there's a competitive balance to it
and all the other stuff. But people won't watch if
it's Blue Jays versus Mariners. They just won't, you know.
I love the Brewers, and maybe the Brewers beat the Dodgers. Maybe,
and the Brewers have been better than the Dodgers in
the regular season, but people won't watch as much. And
(33:38):
I think the Dodgers are really good. I think the
Yankees are really good. And for the Yankees, it'd be
a good if they could find a way come from
two games to none down I don't know. I just
I like more eyes on a sport we all love.
And that's the best way to get more eyes in
the sport we all love.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Well, imagine the storylines if it was Brewers and Mariners,
because it was the Seattle pilots who turned into the
Milwaukee Brewers after just one season in Seattle, Doug. That
leads us to our next question, for better or worse?
A better Cinderella another higher seeds, but Brewers versus Mariners
or worse Cinderella. Brewers or Mariners?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I think who? I think Brewers are better than the Mariners.
Here's why.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Remember right now, they got to beat the Cubs, right,
and the Cubs got Craig Counsel, and Craig Counsel was
the manager of the Brewers. I know you know this,
Dand but you know among the reasons he left to go,
he wasn't getting fired from the Brewers to the Cubs
was Cubs have more resources, more likely to win, more money, right,
(34:47):
so they beat them. Then they play the Dodgers. Dodgers
more resources, more money, way more money. It's not that
the Mariners have the highest payroll. It's not that the
Mariners aren't a great story and if we're honest with ourselves, though,
the Pacific Northwest is beautiful and it's always a place
to where you get off the plane, you're.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Like, I can live here. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You never do it's it doesn't even feel like you're
in the United States sometimes, and it's kind of like
the forgotten team.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
The Mariners like a forgotten team.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
So that would be great, But the Brewers are better
in the in the context of money and how they're
viewed in a cinerella story.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
All right, for better or worse. We're talking about balls
on poles here, a kickoff, a kickoff, kick off the upright,
or a ball hit off the foul pole. So we've
got some balls, yes, yes, ball they kick off the
upright versus a ball that was hit off the foul pole.
(35:48):
What is better or worse?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Ball at the foul pole is better?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
To me?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Those balls are perfect. I agree with you. My thinking
is is any kick that hits the upright that goes in,
you go, oh gosh, thank goodness. Where if you have juck, Yeah,
and if you have judges last night you're like, oh
my gosh, that was amazing, Like that was that was great?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I Also, I also love the microphone by the pole
where it hits it the boo.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
They're loud because the MIC's in the NFL like are
right there so when you can hit it spot on.
But also hitting the follow poll is really only good
in baseball where the NFL, just as Cody Parky can
only be a negative. And finally, for better or worse,
Joe Flacco as a Jet or Joe Flacco as a Bronco.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I'd forgotten both. Push push push.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
That's came to.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Game.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
This is game time on the Dunk Got.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Coming up with the Doug Gothlab Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. It's the middle of the week, it's the
middle of the day, it's the middle.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
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Speaker 3 (37:08):
Our favorite signature moments from our favorite athletes. That's up
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