June 11, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug talks about the marriage between Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin as both spoke at mini-camp about being united on this year's Steelers team. Doug welcomes NBA champion Antonio Daniels onto the show to talk about game three of the NBA Finals and all of the major headlines from around the NBA. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:27):
a at least here in Green Bay, Wisconsin. A spectacular,
spectacular Wednesday, uh, midday, afternoon, whatever you want to call it,
And I think we got a heck of a show
for you. No NBA Finals game tonight, that'll be tomorrow night.
(00:52):
There's an NBA Finals gaming night. Wait what what? So
help me out with this, Jase too, Okay, So they go, what, Yeah,
I thought we were again. That makes sense because I
was looking game game five is Monday. So they went,
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what Sunday, Thursday? Sunday Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I just I have no there's no rhythm to it.
Is that fair? There's just no y. I just feel
completely lost as to the rhythm of it. All right,
we'll circle back to that upcoming. But uh, let's let's
dive in on Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin and we'll
get back to tonight's game a little preview. Antonio Daniels
joins us. In twenty minutes, we'll preview tonight's game. We'll
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get to again the the basketball and if it's if
it's too much inside of basketball for you, I don't
think it is. But uh Shay's had two outstanding games.
Game two way better than Game one, far fewer shots.
But I thought the adjustment was they put Nemhart in
the post defensively as opposed to guarding him on the perimeter.
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He had less and less success when it was in
the post as opposed to when he was on the perimeter.
And that's also how they got some inside out kickout
shots when every time they try to double team him.
So what do they do? We'll ask Antonio danas Plus
we'll ask why what happens now that the Knicks keep
getting denied of current NBA head coaches that they want
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to talk to about their open position. But let's get
to this. So Aaron Rodgers, now officially a Pittsburgh Steeler,
he said this about one of the main reasons he
chose the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I think it starts with Mike Tumblin, and then I've
been a fan of his for a long time. There's
a few iconic franchises in the NFL. I played for
one of them for eighteen years. This is another one
of those. There's something special about, obviously this area. So
many great quarterbacks are from Pittsburgh. I feel like Pittsburgh
has been a part of my career from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, you had me to you did the Pittsburgh has
been borrowing my career from the beginning. And then you
try and make some kind of random connection and you're like, yeah,
I get it. You want to play Mike Tomlin's that
he's good with the Vets. They have a good defense.
It's a big name franchise, it's a well run franchise.
They's been desperately in need of a quarterback, and you
are just that here's Tomlin talking about Aaron Rodgers' quarterback
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reader's resume. We're excited about him being here. He's excited
about being here. But we'll make no Bowld predictions.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
We're just gonna roll our sleeves up and go to
work and let let our efforts do to talking.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He's so good. Right. Every Tomlin SoundBite has different words,
sounds the same, Chase dou Is that fair? Right? We've
been doing this over twenty years, so we've been doing
this Mike Tomlin the entirety of his NFL head coaching career.
Every time he he has his the pace seeing is
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always the same. The way in which he formulates a
read his resume creat line. We could just use that
as a headline, right.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I think it's the opposite of Belichick. Belichick tried hard
for twenty thirty plus years to be as uninteresting as
possible at the podium. I get the feeling like Mike
Tomlin strives to be interesting. He's like like a TV talent.
That's what we used to tell our athletes over at
FS one. Dare to be interesting. Tom One comes up
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with things to say that are interesting when he doesn't
have to. That's that's a rarety in coaching.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was really good.
That was really really good. I don't know if it works.
Sports radio and sports television we're supposed to have all
the answers, But I think the honest, honest man of
me says I don't know if it works. If you
look at the first half of last year, you'd say
absolutely not. He's a shall of the player he used
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to be. You look at the second half, you go,
you know, it probably does work, But you also don't know,
you know, like what it all looks like. Does he
stay healthy? Does he want to get hit?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
You know?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
One of the things a lot of quarterbacks when they
get older, even the ones that were okay taking a
beating when they were younger, they don't want to get hit,
so they get rid of it quicker, or they just
throw it away or they dirt it. That's what Aaron
Rodgers did for a long time. Now apparently he's married,
So what does that mean. Does he valuing the next
career or is he like, hey, I'm going to show
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my new wife and any that I'm the same Aaron
Rodgers and now that I got a year under my
belt since the Achilles, I'm not scared to get hit anymore,
and let's just go out after it. But you said
it perfectly, Jason Stewart strive to be interesting, and the
Pittsburgh Steelers are in fact interesting. Like Mike Tomlin's been
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just good enough to keep his job, And a little
bit of it is like Pittsburgh doesn't fire coaches. You're like, well,
you know, he's not that been bad and they haven't
fired there and he haven't been you know, and you
don't fire coaches, so let's just keep them. But at
some point you got to do something. And then it's
Aaron Rodgers where you like you're coming back, but are
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you coming back because you really want to do it
or you think it could be cool, or you think
it's a great way to end your career, or you
want to do it because you want to win a
super Bowl and you think they're that close. Again, I'm
supposed to sit here and tell you definitively it will work,
it won't work, And I don't know. I think the
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likeli it is that it's a slightly better version of
what they had last year, which the last couple of
years they've been right about five hundred. If you're a
slightly better version, you're a playoff team. You might win
a playoff game. Do they win a Super Bowl? No?
Are they better? Yeah? Is he better quarterback than the
options that they've had in the past couple of years?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Does that mean he's old? Aaron Rodgers probably not that
that's my best guess, but if nothing else, it's interesting.
You know, it's interesting. And I think Aaron Rodgers also
nails that. By the way, Jason Stewart with the you know,
he always shows up different haircut. Now he's got a
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wedding ring on. And then you're like, am I allowed
to ask about the wedding ringum or not? Sammy? What
do you got? You got something different?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Well, you know, you look at the Steelers and they've
managed to finish above five hundred all these years under
Tomlin and with varied quarterback play Roethlisberger and then sort
of a rotating you know, carousel QBS. I kind of
look at this as you've you've got a pretty competent quarterback.
Now you should win your first playoff game. You should
get to the playoffs and win your first playoff game.
And I think, like, since like twenty sixteen, I feel
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like it could pop. It could pop a little bit
for the Steelers this year because you know what, someone
helped me out. I don't remember they finished they made
the playoffs last year. I know they finished above five hundred,
that's still intact. I don't remember who their quarterback.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Was Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Yeah, well he was, yes, and he's a step up
from you know, maybe some of the other guys they've
had after Ben. But and yeah, they a bowed out
in the first round. I do remember that now.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
But I think they could. I think they could take
a it could take a step. And that's obviously Justin Fields,
just for Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And then Russell Wilson as he got back from injury.
And before that it was Kenny Pickett. Before that it
was Mason Rudolph who's backs as the backup, and Mason
Rudolph had replaced Kenny Pickett and led them to the
playoffs was it the previous year? Right, So they've been
right there in the hunt and if he's slightly better,
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they should be more than in the hunt. That's that's
that's I think the reasonable thinking.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
And they have DK metcalf right again.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I don't know how good any of this is. I
just know that I'm interested, and as Jason nailed it,
like that's all we can hope for. They're not going
to be the great team ever, They're not going to
be even the Patriots that went at and zero but
they will definitely be interesting. I even think Aaron Rodgers
showing up with a wedding ring on I was like,
that is so perfect, so great are You're like, wait
(09:14):
are you? Are you married? Now? I mean, that guy
just totally understands how to mess with people, so really.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
So he confirmed yesterday that he's been married a couple months. Yeah,
and I think and I'm not the only one who
thinks this, but I really do think he said that
a couple months ago just to rub it in that
I've done something humongous in my life and you guys
knew nothing about it. So take that.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's who he is, right it is. It just tracks
as Aaron Rodgers. It's so good. I completely agree with you, Jason, Like,
it's not that he We're not saying that he's not
in love and he didn't want to get married. It's
just the idea of only Aaron Rodgers can be, you know,
(10:11):
unpack McAfee's show, rumors about his past dating history, rumors
about stories about him playing, everybody wondering about where he's
going to play this year, and haha, I got married
a bunch of months ago, and you guys had no
idea That's where I say he's the master of messing
with people.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
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Speaker 1 (10:39):
App Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So Antonio Daniels
is going to join us up coming in six minutes.
Six minutes to Antonio Daniels. But there's lots of talk about, hey,
what's like the most important game in the series, My
personally most important game obviously, like it's coaches cliche, but
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your next game is the most important game. But right now,
Indiana has home court advantage. Okay, because they won Game
one in Okama City, they have home court advantage. So
I viewed Game three as incredibly important because in terms
of pressure, is it on Oklahoma City. Yeah, yeah, but
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you got to figure that they're thinking, hey, we get
two bites of the apple at this We just we
got to get a split. I feel like tonight is
more important to Indiana, mostly because they've only led for
like what point three seconds in this series where it
seems like it and home court advantage again, the ability
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to end this thing in Game six regardless of what
happens at five, is is paramount? Where are you in
the importance of Sight's game?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I mean it's important, but even before this year we started,
I was I actually did take a step back to
try to figure out what is the most important game
in a series. Obviously Game seven is is important with
the circumstances, yes, but I actually think that Game four
is the most important because either way a team's going
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to be two to one, three to zero could close
out the series tonight. What I find interesting is the
home court advantage aspect of it, because I think that
there's a feel that Oklahoma City found their legs and
that Oklahoma City now is in that groove. And while
they let Game one slip away, they did not let
Game two slip away. But all the games aren't played
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in Oklahoma City, and so tonight to see how they
will respond to that, I think is a is a big,
big piece of it. So to your point of saying
tonight is important, I think it's fair, But I actually
think it's important on the Oklahoma City side, because if
there is momentum carried over from games two to Games
three to Game three, then they would seem to have it,
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and if the Pacers win tonight, I think Indiana's got
to feel really good knowing that they still have home court,
to your point, but also have an opportunity to be
up to one in the series they know the series,
or go back to Indiana, So maybe they could play
free in game five if it went to Oklahoma City.
So I think it's on the thunder tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Pressure wise, Sam just told me the Pacers had lost
Game three in each of their series. I didn't know that,
Jay Stu, You're the one who searches for interesting. What's
interesting about tonight?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I was hoping Dan Bayer would deliver a SoundBite right
there that would go viral, like West Friday when he
predicted what would happen in Game one. So I'm gonna
listen to that back and see if we could maybe
repost what he says today because he has been kind
of the what do you call that the nonstra dramas
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of this particular series.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I don't know or.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Care my Wheelhouse, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I don't know who cares or I don't care who
wins tonight. I really don't. But what I am interested
in is can the Pacers not get down twenty again?
That's all I'm asking of them because Sunday's game was
so pathetic and I think people left the game in
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droves before the first half started or second half started.
I just root for a good game. I know that's
not very interesting, but I just want a good game something.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, okay again, Jay Stu, I actually depend upon you
for the person who searches for interesting And it's not
a high bar, but you're right right. Like, honestly, Game
one wasn't a great game to watch. Now, the last
three four minutes were amazing, but you had to make
it through those first forty five minutes to get there.
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In Game two was a complete snooze fest. It just was.
It wasn't christly played. It didn't look like Indiana was
anywhere near as competitive as one would think when you
get to the NBA Finals. It was just a snooze fest.
So yeah, that's it's I'm with you. I just I
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need a game where I go like, man, that was
a good basketball game. But I do think that tonight
is most important to the Pacers that I get it. Dan,
I feel like you found your legs And remember when
Oklahoma City lost to the Miami Heat in five they
won Game one, so there's a little bit of a
flipping of the thing. But I still think Oklahoma City
believes knows they're the better team. I think for Indiana
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to have any chance in the series, they have to
win tonight, have to have to have enough. It's Doug
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(16:05):
him on Serious XM NBA Radio. Ten. I look, any
game in which you play in is gigantic. You've been
an NBA Finals before, do you? Is there a team
that you think tonight is bigger for than the than
the other team?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
For me, I think it's bigger for the Indiana Pacers
because I think either team has played well in the
first two games. But when you look at the style
of the Indiana Pacers, how fast they play, their identity,
they have not been that version of themselves, and I
think they need to show that that's even a possibility.
(16:45):
Is that even like, is that even realistic to think
that this Indiana Pacers team that we've seen all year
long conte war of attrition versus all these other teams,
is that possible versus Oklahoma City Thunder. I think this
game tonight and two games in Indiana mean a lot
more to the Indiana Pacers than they do to the
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Oklahoma City Center.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Okay, game two because of the ne m heart match up,
felt like they put Shaye in the post. You know,
he barkleayd into the post and Oklahoma Sady had great
success with it, both on kickout threes and with Shaye
shooting a better percentage. If you're on Indiana's bench as
a coach, what's your adjustment to how they move Shae
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into the post?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
The thing is, there are only so many adjustments that
you can make, right Like at this time of the year,
Doug Ain, no more surprises. You're not doing anything the
SGA haven't seen. So if that's what they're going to do,
you're either going to bank on him continuing to shoot
the ball like that, or the only other option is
to run someone at him. But you realize when you
run someone at him, now, you're compromising your entire defense
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because one of your best on ball defenders will always
be on him. Now the other four guys you're asking
to actually close out and hold the fort down. Good luck,
good luck. Like in this league, you can't stop everything.
You can't. As great as it sounds to say, you
know what, you should be able to do this, and
you should be able to do that, you cannot stop
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everything in this league. There are certain things that you're
going to have to live with. And if I'm the
Indiana Pacers, do I start out doubling SGA.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
We saw Game three in Minnesota and how the Oklahoma
City Thunder went to Minnesota and laid an egg. Let
me see what kind of rhythm he's in first before
I decide to start throwing the kitchen seek at him.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Antonio Danis Joni's here on the Doug Otlieve Show on
Fox Sports Radio. How I know, at the end of
the day, you look at Tyr's Halbert, You're like, oh,
he had a decent game, but most of that was
when the game was in the fourth quarter. Yes, right, okay,
show go ahead. Do you want to expound upon it?
Speaker 5 (18:54):
I mean, I agree with my thing is like, there
are certain teams where it's simply just a tough matchup
for you. It's just a tough matchup for you. No
disrespect to Teres Alliburton, but that's just probably the worst
and most difficult team out of all twenty nine other
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teams in the league for him individually to match up against,
because they have six guys, six guys that are either
that have first or second team All defensive potential, So
they don't have anybody that you can target. They have
no one on their roster that's playing legitimate minutes that
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you can target. You can't say that for the Knicks,
who they have beat. You can't say that for the
Cleveland Cavaliers, who they beat. You can't say that for
the Milwaukee Bucks, who they beat. This Oklahoma City Thunder
team is constructed different. They're different. Whether it's Cason Wallace
or Alice Caruso or Lou Dorg or Jada or Shay Gildens,
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Alexander or Aaron Wiggins or Ted Holmgren. They have so
many different guys that they can throw at to reach
Halliburton that make it an extremely difficult matchup for him.
I don't I have a hard time seeing to reach
Haliburton having the impact on this series that he had
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on the other series that we just mentioned. I just
don't see it happening because the way that the thunder constructed.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's get to some of the rest of the NBA staff.
So there's been three head sitting head coaches. I believe
that the Knicks have tried to reach out to and
has been declined by the team that they're under contract with.
Give me your sense of where the Knicks end up
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in their head coaching search.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I don't. The thing is, though, I don't know what
they're looking for, Like you had a guy in Tom
Thibodeau who took them further than they've been since nineteen
ninety nine. Like, I don't know what they're looking for.
They've done things the right way, incrementally making steps because
you can't skip steps in this league. So last year
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they lost in the second round. This year they lost
in the Eastern Graffer's Finals. That's usually the way it goes.
So you get better, right, which makes sense because you
added some different elements. You brought in Michel Bridges, Right,
you re signed og Adaobi, you traded away Julius Randall
and Devincenzo, and you brought in Karl Anthony Towns. So
it's like that takes a minute to mess. So I
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don't know what it is that they're looking for. I
have no idea because for me personally on the outside
looking in, I thought Bibbs did a fantastic job. Did
he have a issues? Yes, there is no perfect coach, right.
Should he have trusted his bench more, yes, you know.
Should he had cut back on minutes? Yes? I get
all that, but we know in this league it comes
down to winning and losing. And they advanced all the
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way to the Eastern Conference finals and they lost to
the same team back to back years, right, So sometimes
it's simply about avoiding that team to get over the home.
But they didn't give him or bless him or grace
him with that opportunity to do so I don't know
what they're looking for. I don't know about you, Doug,
but isn't that weird to you? Like how a team
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can say, I know you're coaching for another team and
you're under a contract, but do you mind if we
talked to him about coming to coach our team.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, it strikes me as super weird, especially when you
know so much is about relationships and TIBs his previous
is old agent. It ran the Knicks, so it's like,
now you're going to get somebody who doesn't have their relationship. Yeah,
that whole thing is weird, strikes mester.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I thought when they fired Tibbs and we talked about
this on our serious that's a show. Like, you know,
you don't quit a job without having another one. You
don't just quit a job and say like when I'm
sure I'll find something eventually. No, you don't. You stay
at that job, even though you may not like it,
until you find something to replace it. And when they
fired this, I thought they fired this with the understanding
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that they already had somebody in mind that they wanted
to hire, like conversations were already had. Sure, And now
you can see how this has gone. And maybe we
were one hundred percent roll. Maybe they just fired the
is and they wanted to cut tires with him, and
now they're looking which is.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Different, hard to tell, hard to tell it it. I
just think they feel like they topped out with him again.
Doesn't mean I agree with it. I'm with you, like
you get further than you've gotten in twenty five years.
You know, let the guy kind of see it, see
it all the way through. But for whatever reason, they
chose not to. I don't think you can hire anybody
who hasn't been to an NBA finals, Right, That's where
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Jason Kidd fits it, right.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Do we think that Jason Kidd The idea of Jason
Kidd is he and Yiannis are closed and we're going
after Giannest?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yes? Yeah, I think those go hand in hand together.
Like if the Milwaukee Bucks were a team that actually
had financial flexibility moving forward and had good young players
and had draft assets to build around Janis in the future.
Do you think that the New York Knicks are going
after Jason Kidd then I highly doubt it. I don't
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think so. But what makes this so attractive for the
New York Knicks is the relationship you just said it
a minute ago, Doug. It's the relationship between Dayton Kid
and Janics. Onto the compo. We know how much Janis
favors Jayson Kidd. So if you can get him in there,
does that now increase your chances and opportunities of acquiring Yannis,
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maybe because I have a hard time seeing Janis returning
back to Milwaukee. I heard the report that Wendy put
out yesterday, and with all that being said, I have
the utmost respect for Wendy, but I have a hard
time seeing Yannis because of the future and the layout
of the Milwaukee books, of them keeping him and moving
forward because they can't build around him.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I agree with you, totally agree with you. You just can't.
You're you're You're totally stuck. It's a year in which
you're stuck, and you know, here's a limited number of years,
and I do think that would I love to see
Yannis stave Milwaukee forever. Yeah, but I think once you
open the door to the possibility of leaving, which she
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apparently has, then it's probably run. Its run its course.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
This is what happens when team skip steps though, but
when they try this is why I am not a
fan of big two's and big threes, and you know,
basically loading up on two or three guys and not
putting the ancillary pieces around them they need to be successful.
We saw the same thing in Phoenix, so the same
exact thing in Phoenix, and that's why Kevin Durant is
(25:55):
a hot topic now, That's why Giannis Andre Dacoumpo is
a hot topic now. They simply put talent together and
didn't worry about the role players that they were surrounding
the talent with. And now they're stuck financially, lack of
talent and no draft assets moving forward?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Who do that? I know you're still close to the
Spurs organization. Haven't been a part of a championship team there?
What do they want to put around Wemby?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
What is who's the type of guy they like? Is
it Kevin Durant somebody they want to put around Wemby?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Because you know what Wemby did is he expotided the process.
I think there was a point when the Spurs drafted
Wemby where they were thinking, like, you know what, we
got a five year window. You know, we got time.
And then Wemby and his rookie year was so much
more impactful and I think better than anyone thought that
he would be, and that exibtized the process. So now
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you figured yourself, like, you know what, we can't do,
But we can't go out there and continue to put
all these rookies and young players around Victor wemy Nauma.
He needs to learn how to win quickly. So that's
why they go out and get Chris Paul, That's why
they go out and they get Harrison Barnes, That's why
they go out and get dere and File. So Wimby
being as good as he was, as quickly as he was,
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I think he exiblizes the process. Now it's about winning.
It's about winning because it's going to come a point
where Wmby is a free agent and you don't want
to have him in the same situations that we've seen
ever rookies in in the past, where they're even thinking
about or fantasizing about what else is out there. You
want to put him in a winning situation around star
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players now to build for the future. I think that's
the biggest thing in San Antonio right now.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
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watch the Pelicans games. Tell him thanks so much for
joining us.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Bud, I appreciate you, brother, thanks.
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Speaker 4 (28:24):
Let's Mando had tune bring me back by the way
that that tune brought me back to twenty twenty. Not
a lot of great memories from twenty twenty. But Roddy
Rich and people confuse us, this isn't It wasn't off
Roddy Rich's album. It was off Mustard's album. And like
that song, I must have played a thousand times during
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twenty twenty. Thank you Sam for that was right.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Rich's quick question?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Was Roddy Rich named after Rod Roddy, the former voice
guy at the Price is right?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I think so?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Okay, that's what That's what I thought too.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
A lot of people that that's one of them, actually
one of the most people. It's one of the most
underreported things, is that Roddy Rich saying, I also think
that I'm not going to google that one. There being
a descendant from the man who invented basketball playing in
the NBA Finals gets underreported, like they don't make a
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big deal enough about.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
That.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Is that is a yeah fact?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I it's Nie Smith. People, it's Nie Smith.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
It's an unreported fact.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It's Nate Smith.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
It's it's he dropped the eye in there.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
He did, he did. It's Doug gotlib show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Same guy, this is the same family.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
This is sarcasm. Let's get to Dan Byer with a game.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
At all right, it's an opportunity for Doug to crap
on someone or something. Uh, it's a game. We like
to call for better or worse, but Doug never takes
the opportunity, always takes the glass half full instead of
the glass half empty. Doug's gotta tell me what is
better or worse? In a topic and a showdown of
I guess two subjects, if you will, Doug, we start
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out for better or worse NBA City. Now this is
city as a whole, Oklahoma City versus Indianapolis. What is
better or worse than the other?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Wow, ah, there is zero. I mean, look, Indianapolis is worse.
It's worse, and there's great parts of Indianapolis, but there's
kind of some randomness to Indianapolis as well. Right. I
love the suburbs of Indianapolis, especially the northern suburbs Carmel.
(30:52):
Got friends that live in Carmel. Carmel, but there's some
there's some shadiness to Indye. Oklahoma City is actually kind
of awesome. I saw David aldertro an article I read
earlier this morning, and it was about the growth of
the city around the growth of the team. And I'm
telling you, if you like, Midtown's are really good, cool area.
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Bricktown's better than it used to be. But it's you know,
it's just a place to go out. But there's lots
of different areas that have really been reinvigorated because of
Devon Energy and the energy boom, but also because of
the thunder. So I think it's Oklahoma City It's honestly
a super underrated city and a little bit like Phoenix.
It has massively grown since COVID because the cost of
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living was so inexpensive and people in other places like
I can get what for what and actually have a
little land. So yeah, Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
All right? Doug for better or worse? Basketball Finals? NBA
Finals versus Final Four.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I mean the NBA Finals is worse. So spread out
you don't know if you're catching a good game. The
ending of Game one was awesome, but Game two is
a hard watch. Whereas though there occasionally are two games
in the Final four, you get another one like a
day and a half later. You can't beat the funal four.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
All right, Doug for better or worse? Kevin Durant Western
Conference options? Right now, it's a three team showdown. We
think Rockets versus Spurs versus Timberwolves. What is the better
or worst option here for Kevin.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Durant Rockets versus Spurs.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Versus I think Spurs.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I mean, just can you imagine a team with him?
And when Manana and the same team, You're like, wait,
we're playing against aliens? Is that what we're doing? We're
playing against aliens? Two human beings that are not supposed
to be that talented, that skill, despite the fact that
they are, you know, seven feet and seven foot twelve.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, yeah, they got the number two pick. You also
have Daron Fox there they haven't They have young players
that you could deal all right, Doug for better or worse,
Kevin Durant, East Options, Heats Versus Nicks. Those are the
other two teams mentioned in Chams report.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I want the Knicks to happen, obviously, you know they
need more perimeter scoring. I wish he would have gone
to the next last time around. I think Kevin Durant
is He's not Lebron, but he's next year down. He's
as good a player as any we've had in any generation,
and I think he has tremendous work ethic from everything
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I've been told, I'd love to see him in New York.
And you know, if he can bring a title to
New York, imagine the claim he would get. Whereas I
truly believe that he miscalculated. He thought, Hey, I go
to Golden State, Golden State needs me, We win some
titles and people finally see how great I am. Instead,
it just wasn't met with the same positivity that I
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looked at and I think he looked at it with.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
All Right, Doug for better or worse head coach em
Udoka versus Tom Thibodeaux Thibbideaux, if you will.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That's always confusing, right, it's TIBs, but it's but it's
spelled Thibbs, and people say Thibideau, but then they call
him coach TIBs. It's very confusing. Uh, well, that's a
hard one.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
I say, Thom Thibideau.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Do you think if he was a th h O M.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I'm gonna go with them. Had better success with the
Celtics and has had really good success with the Rockets
so far.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
This on the heels of the next obviously firing TIBs
and requesting the opportunity to speak with Udoka and Chris
Finch and the into the News today Jason Kidd, which
all three were denied. The Knicks were. But it's an
interesting coaching dilemma, all Right, Doug switching gears, moving away
from basketball for better or worse? Golf? Major US Open
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versus the Open aka British Open aka the Open Championship.
What is better or worse?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Uh? The US Open is better?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Okay, it's better.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
The only thing that like, I get that it's different.
It's linksy style, it's how golf's was supposed to be played.
I get all that. The only thing I really like
about the Open Championship is you wake up and it's on,
you know, Whereas here in the States you gotta especially
West Coast, you wake up and it's on. Whereas US
Open you gotta wait and like all, you know, major
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championship since in the afternoon into the evening. So otherwise
I love it. I love that it's like a nearly
impossible course. Rory apparently shot eighty one on it last week.
I love the US Open, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Finally, Doug, for better or worse, Rogers Jersey, Rogers in
the Steelers Jersey or Rogers in the Jets Jersey.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Steeler Jersey, Steeler Jersey more historic and obviously four plays
in he tears as Achilles ten and Steelers Jersey.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
They got to change that font though for the number.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah it's weird.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It looked weird.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, it does look weird.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You're right, and that's game time.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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a at least here in Green Bay, Wisconsin. A spectacular,
spectacular Wednesday, uh, midday, afternoon, whatever you want to call it,
And I think we got a heck of a show
for you. No NBA Finals game tonight, that'll be tomorrow night.
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There's an NBA Finals gaming night. Wait what what? So
help me out with this, Jase too, Okay, So they go, what, Yeah,
I thought we were again. That makes sense because I
was looking game game five is Monday. So they went,
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what Sunday, Thursday? Sunday Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I just I have no there's no rhythm to it.
Is that fair? There's just no y. I just feel
completely lost as to the rhythm of it. All right,
we'll circle back to that upcoming. But uh, let's let's
dive in on Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin and we'll
get back to tonight's game a little preview. Antonio Daniels
joins us. In twenty minutes, we'll preview tonight's game. We'll
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get to again the the basketball and if it's if
it's too much inside of basketball for you, I don't
think it is. But uh Shay's had two outstanding games.
Game two way better than Game one, far fewer shots.
But I thought the adjustment was they put Nemhart in
the post defensively as opposed to guarding him on the perimeter.
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He had less and less success when it was in
the post as opposed to when he was on the perimeter.
And that's also how they got some inside out kickout
shots when every time they try to double team him.
So what do they do? We'll ask Antonio danas Plus
we'll ask why what happens now that the Knicks keep
getting denied of current NBA head coaches that they want
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to talk to about their open position. But let's get
to this. So Aaron Rodgers, now officially a Pittsburgh Steeler,
he said this about one of the main reasons he
chose the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I think it starts with Mike Tumblin, and then I've
been a fan of his for a long time. There's
a few iconic franchises in the NFL. I played for
one of them for eighteen years. This is another one
of those. There's something special about, obviously this area. So
many great quarterbacks are from Pittsburgh. I feel like Pittsburgh
has been a part of my career from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, you had me to you did the Pittsburgh has
been borrowing my career from the beginning. And then you
try and make some kind of random connection and you're like, yeah,
I get it. You want to play Mike Tomlin's that
he's good with the Vets. They have a good defense.
It's a big name franchise, it's a well run franchise.
They's been desperately in need of a quarterback, and you
are just that here's Tomlin talking about Aaron Rodgers' quarterback
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reader's resume. We're excited about him being here. He's excited
about being here. But we'll make no Bowld predictions.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
We're just gonna roll our sleeves up and go to
work and let let our efforts do to talking.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He's so good. Right. Every Tomlin SoundBite has different words,
sounds the same, Chase dou Is that fair? Right? We've
been doing this over twenty years, so we've been doing
this Mike Tomlin the entirety of his NFL head coaching career.
Every time he he has his the pace seeing is
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always the same. The way in which he formulates a
read his resume creat line. We could just use that
as a headline, right.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I think it's the opposite of Belichick. Belichick tried hard
for twenty thirty plus years to be as uninteresting as
possible at the podium. I get the feeling like Mike
Tomlin strives to be interesting. He's like like a TV talent.
That's what we used to tell our athletes over at
FS one. Dare to be interesting. Tom One comes up
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with things to say that are interesting when he doesn't
have to. That's that's a rarety in coaching.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was really good.
That was really really good. I don't know if it works.
Sports radio and sports television we're supposed to have all
the answers, But I think the honest, honest man of
me says I don't know if it works. If you
look at the first half of last year, you'd say
absolutely not. He's a shall of the player he used
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to be. You look at the second half, you go,
you know, it probably does work, But you also don't know,
you know, like what it all looks like. Does he
stay healthy? Does he want to get hit?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
You know?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
One of the things a lot of quarterbacks when they
get older, even the ones that were okay taking a
beating when they were younger, they don't want to get hit,
so they get rid of it quicker, or they just
throw it away or they dirt it. That's what Aaron
Rodgers did for a long time. Now apparently he's married,
So what does that mean. Does he valuing the next
career or is he like, hey, I'm going to show
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my new wife and any that I'm the same Aaron
Rodgers and now that I got a year under my
belt since the Achilles, I'm not scared to get hit anymore,
and let's just go out after it. But you said
it perfectly, Jason Stewart strive to be interesting, and the
Pittsburgh Steelers are in fact interesting. Like Mike Tomlin's been
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just good enough to keep his job, And a little
bit of it is like Pittsburgh doesn't fire coaches. You're like, well,
you know, he's not that been bad and they haven't
fired there and he haven't been you know, and you
don't fire coaches, so let's just keep them. But at
some point you got to do something. And then it's
Aaron Rodgers where you like you're coming back, but are
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you coming back because you really want to do it
or you think it could be cool, or you think
it's a great way to end your career, or you
want to do it because you want to win a
super Bowl and you think they're that close. Again, I'm
supposed to sit here and tell you definitively it will work,
it won't work, And I don't know. I think the
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likeli it is that it's a slightly better version of
what they had last year, which the last couple of
years they've been right about five hundred. If you're a
slightly better version, you're a playoff team. You might win
a playoff game. Do they win a Super Bowl? No?
Are they better? Yeah? Is he better quarterback than the
options that they've had in the past couple of years?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Does that mean he's old? Aaron Rodgers probably not that
that's my best guess, but if nothing else, it's interesting.
You know, it's interesting. And I think Aaron Rodgers also
nails that. By the way, Jason Stewart with the you know,
he always shows up different haircut. Now he's got a
(07:21):
wedding ring on. And then you're like, am I allowed
to ask about the wedding ringum or not? Sammy? What
do you got? You got something different?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Well, you know, you look at the Steelers and they've
managed to finish above five hundred all these years under
Tomlin and with varied quarterback play Roethlisberger and then sort
of a rotating you know, carousel QBS. I kind of
look at this as you've you've got a pretty competent quarterback.
Now you should win your first playoff game. You should
get to the playoffs and win your first playoff game.
And I think, like, since like twenty sixteen, I feel
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like it could pop. It could pop a little bit
for the Steelers this year because you know what, someone
helped me out. I don't remember they finished they made
the playoffs last year. I know they finished above five hundred,
that's still intact. I don't remember who their quarterback.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Was Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Yeah, well he was, yes, and he's a step up
from you know, maybe some of the other guys they've
had after Ben. But and yeah, they a bowed out
in the first round. I do remember that now.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
But I think they could. I think they could take
a it could take a step. And that's obviously Justin Fields,
just for Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And then Russell Wilson as he got back from injury.
And before that it was Kenny Pickett. Before that it
was Mason Rudolph who's backs as the backup, and Mason
Rudolph had replaced Kenny Pickett and led them to the
playoffs was it the previous year? Right, So they've been
right there in the hunt and if he's slightly better,
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they should be more than in the hunt. That's that's
that's I think the reasonable thinking.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
And they have DK metcalf right again.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I don't know how good any of this is. I
just know that I'm interested, and as Jason nailed it,
like that's all we can hope for. They're not going
to be the great team ever, They're not going to
be even the Patriots that went at and zero but
they will definitely be interesting. I even think Aaron Rodgers
showing up with a wedding ring on I was like,
that is so perfect, so great are You're like, wait
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are you? Are you married? Now? I mean, that guy
just totally understands how to mess with people, so really.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
So he confirmed yesterday that he's been married a couple months. Yeah,
and I think and I'm not the only one who
thinks this, but I really do think he said that
a couple months ago just to rub it in that
I've done something humongous in my life and you guys
knew nothing about it. So take that.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's who he is, right it is. It just tracks
as Aaron Rodgers. It's so good. I completely agree with you, Jason, Like,
it's not that he We're not saying that he's not
in love and he didn't want to get married. It's
just the idea of only Aaron Rodgers can be, you know,
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unpack McAfee's show, rumors about his past dating history, rumors
about stories about him playing, everybody wondering about where he's
going to play this year, and haha, I got married
a bunch of months ago, and you guys had no
idea That's where I say he's the master of messing
with people.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
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Speaker 1 (10:39):
App Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So Antonio Daniels
is going to join us up coming in six minutes.
Six minutes to Antonio Daniels. But there's lots of talk about, hey,
what's like the most important game in the series, My
personally most important game obviously, like it's coaches cliche, but
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your next game is the most important game. But right now,
Indiana has home court advantage. Okay, because they won Game
one in Okama City, they have home court advantage. So
I viewed Game three as incredibly important because in terms
of pressure, is it on Oklahoma City. Yeah, yeah, but
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you got to figure that they're thinking, hey, we get
two bites of the apple at this We just we
got to get a split. I feel like tonight is
more important to Indiana, mostly because they've only led for
like what point three seconds in this series where it
seems like it and home court advantage again, the ability
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to end this thing in Game six regardless of what
happens at five, is is paramount? Where are you in
the importance of Sight's game?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I mean it's important, but even before this year we started,
I was I actually did take a step back to
try to figure out what is the most important game
in a series. Obviously Game seven is is important with
the circumstances, yes, but I actually think that Game four
is the most important because either way a team's going
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to be two to one, three to zero could close
out the series tonight. What I find interesting is the
home court advantage aspect of it, because I think that
there's a feel that Oklahoma City found their legs and
that Oklahoma City now is in that groove. And while
they let Game one slip away, they did not let
Game two slip away. But all the games aren't played
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in Oklahoma City, and so tonight to see how they
will respond to that, I think is a is a big,
big piece of it. So to your point of saying
tonight is important, I think it's fair, But I actually
think it's important on the Oklahoma City side, because if
there is momentum carried over from games two to Games
three to Game three, then they would seem to have it,
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and if the Pacers win tonight, I think Indiana's got
to feel really good knowing that they still have home court,
to your point, but also have an opportunity to be
up to one in the series they know the series,
or go back to Indiana, So maybe they could play
free in game five if it went to Oklahoma City.
So I think it's on the thunder tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Pressure wise, Sam just told me the Pacers had lost
Game three in each of their series. I didn't know that,
Jay Stu, You're the one who searches for interesting. What's
interesting about tonight?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I was hoping Dan Bayer would deliver a SoundBite right
there that would go viral, like West Friday when he
predicted what would happen in Game one. So I'm gonna
listen to that back and see if we could maybe
repost what he says today because he has been kind
of the what do you call that the nonstra dramas
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of this particular series.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I don't know or.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Care my Wheelhouse, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I don't know who cares or I don't care who
wins tonight. I really don't. But what I am interested
in is can the Pacers not get down twenty again?
That's all I'm asking of them because Sunday's game was
so pathetic and I think people left the game in
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droves before the first half started or second half started.
I just root for a good game. I know that's
not very interesting, but I just want a good game something.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, okay again, Jay Stu, I actually depend upon you
for the person who searches for interesting And it's not
a high bar, but you're right right. Like, honestly, Game
one wasn't a great game to watch. Now, the last
three four minutes were amazing, but you had to make
it through those first forty five minutes to get there.
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In Game two was a complete snooze fest. It just was.
It wasn't christly played. It didn't look like Indiana was
anywhere near as competitive as one would think when you
get to the NBA Finals. It was just a snooze fest.
So yeah, that's it's I'm with you. I just I
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need a game where I go like, man, that was
a good basketball game. But I do think that tonight
is most important to the Pacers that I get it. Dan,
I feel like you found your legs And remember when
Oklahoma City lost to the Miami Heat in five they
won Game one, so there's a little bit of a
flipping of the thing. But I still think Oklahoma City
believes knows they're the better team. I think for Indiana
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to have any chance in the series, they have to
win tonight, have to have to have enough. It's Doug
Otlieb show Fox Sports Radio. He's the NBA champion and
he's a tremendous analyst. You also hear him on Serious
SEX MNBA Radio. He's Antonio Daniels, who's the color voice
of the New Orleans Pelicans. Plus of course, uh he
covers all NBA when he joins US or you hear
(16:05):
him on Serious XM NBA Radio. Ten. I look, any
game in which you play in is gigantic. You've been
an NBA Finals before, do you? Is there a team
that you think tonight is bigger for than the than
the other team?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
For me, I think it's bigger for the Indiana Pacers
because I think either team has played well in the
first two games. But when you look at the style
of the Indiana Pacers, how fast they play, their identity,
they have not been that version of themselves, and I
think they need to show that that's even a possibility.
(16:45):
Is that even like, is that even realistic to think
that this Indiana Pacers team that we've seen all year
long conte war of attrition versus all these other teams,
is that possible versus Oklahoma City Thunder. I think this
game tonight and two games in Indiana mean a lot
more to the Indiana Pacers than they do to the
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Oklahoma City Center.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Okay, game two because of the ne m heart match up,
felt like they put Shaye in the post. You know,
he barkleayd into the post and Oklahoma Sady had great
success with it, both on kickout threes and with Shaye
shooting a better percentage. If you're on Indiana's bench as
a coach, what's your adjustment to how they move Shae
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into the post?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
The thing is, there are only so many adjustments that
you can make, right Like at this time of the year,
Doug Ain, no more surprises. You're not doing anything the
SGA haven't seen. So if that's what they're going to do,
you're either going to bank on him continuing to shoot
the ball like that, or the only other option is
to run someone at him. But you realize when you
run someone at him, now, you're compromising your entire defense
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because one of your best on ball defenders will always
be on him. Now the other four guys you're asking
to actually close out and hold the fort down. Good luck,
good luck. Like in this league, you can't stop everything.
You can't. As great as it sounds to say, you
know what, you should be able to do this, and
you should be able to do that, you cannot stop
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everything in this league. There are certain things that you're
going to have to live with. And if I'm the
Indiana Pacers, do I start out doubling SGA.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
We saw Game three in Minnesota and how the Oklahoma
City Thunder went to Minnesota and laid an egg. Let
me see what kind of rhythm he's in first before
I decide to start throwing the kitchen seek at him.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Antonio Danis Joni's here on the Doug Otlieve Show on
Fox Sports Radio. How I know, at the end of
the day, you look at Tyr's Halbert, You're like, oh,
he had a decent game, but most of that was
when the game was in the fourth quarter. Yes, right, okay,
show go ahead. Do you want to expound upon it?
Speaker 5 (18:54):
I mean, I agree with my thing is like, there
are certain teams where it's simply just a tough matchup
for you. It's just a tough matchup for you. No
disrespect to Teres Alliburton, but that's just probably the worst
and most difficult team out of all twenty nine other
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teams in the league for him individually to match up against,
because they have six guys, six guys that are either
that have first or second team All defensive potential, So
they don't have anybody that you can target. They have
no one on their roster that's playing legitimate minutes that
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you can target. You can't say that for the Knicks,
who they have beat. You can't say that for the
Cleveland Cavaliers, who they beat. You can't say that for
the Milwaukee Bucks, who they beat. This Oklahoma City Thunder
team is constructed different. They're different. Whether it's Cason Wallace
or Alice Caruso or Lou Dorg or Jada or Shay Gildens,
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Alexander or Aaron Wiggins or Ted Holmgren. They have so
many different guys that they can throw at to reach
Halliburton that make it an extremely difficult matchup for him.
I don't I have a hard time seeing to reach
Haliburton having the impact on this series that he had
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on the other series that we just mentioned. I just
don't see it happening because the way that the thunder constructed.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's get to some of the rest of the NBA staff.
So there's been three head sitting head coaches. I believe
that the Knicks have tried to reach out to and
has been declined by the team that they're under contract with.
Give me your sense of where the Knicks end up
(20:52):
in their head coaching search.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I don't. The thing is, though, I don't know what
they're looking for, Like you had a guy in Tom
Thibodeau who took them further than they've been since nineteen
ninety nine. Like, I don't know what they're looking for.
They've done things the right way, incrementally making steps because
you can't skip steps in this league. So last year
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they lost in the second round. This year they lost
in the Eastern Graffer's Finals. That's usually the way it goes.
So you get better, right, which makes sense because you
added some different elements. You brought in Michel Bridges, Right,
you re signed og Adaobi, you traded away Julius Randall
and Devincenzo, and you brought in Karl Anthony Towns. So
it's like that takes a minute to mess. So I
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don't know what it is that they're looking for. I
have no idea because for me personally on the outside
looking in, I thought Bibbs did a fantastic job. Did
he have a issues? Yes, there is no perfect coach, right.
Should he have trusted his bench more, yes, you know.
Should he had cut back on minutes? Yes? I get
all that, but we know in this league it comes
down to winning and losing. And they advanced all the
(21:58):
way to the Eastern Conference finals and they lost to
the same team back to back years, right, So sometimes
it's simply about avoiding that team to get over the home.
But they didn't give him or bless him or grace
him with that opportunity to do so I don't know
what they're looking for. I don't know about you, Doug,
but isn't that weird to you? Like how a team
(22:20):
can say, I know you're coaching for another team and
you're under a contract, but do you mind if we
talked to him about coming to coach our team.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, it strikes me as super weird, especially when you
know so much is about relationships and TIBs his previous
is old agent. It ran the Knicks, so it's like,
now you're going to get somebody who doesn't have their relationship. Yeah,
that whole thing is weird, strikes mester.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I thought when they fired Tibbs and we talked about
this on our serious that's a show. Like, you know,
you don't quit a job without having another one. You
don't just quit a job and say like when I'm
sure I'll find something eventually. No, you don't. You stay
at that job, even though you may not like it,
until you find something to replace it. And when they
fired this, I thought they fired this with the understanding
(23:13):
that they already had somebody in mind that they wanted
to hire, like conversations were already had. Sure, And now
you can see how this has gone. And maybe we
were one hundred percent roll. Maybe they just fired the
is and they wanted to cut tires with him, and
now they're looking which is.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Different, hard to tell, hard to tell it it. I
just think they feel like they topped out with him again.
Doesn't mean I agree with it. I'm with you, like
you get further than you've gotten in twenty five years.
You know, let the guy kind of see it, see
it all the way through. But for whatever reason, they
chose not to. I don't think you can hire anybody
who hasn't been to an NBA finals, Right, That's where
(23:51):
Jason Kidd fits it, right.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Do we think that Jason Kidd The idea of Jason
Kidd is he and Yiannis are closed and we're going
after Giannest?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yes? Yeah, I think those go hand in hand together.
Like if the Milwaukee Bucks were a team that actually
had financial flexibility moving forward and had good young players
and had draft assets to build around Janis in the future.
Do you think that the New York Knicks are going
after Jason Kidd then I highly doubt it. I don't
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think so. But what makes this so attractive for the
New York Knicks is the relationship you just said it
a minute ago, Doug. It's the relationship between Dayton Kid
and Janics. Onto the compo. We know how much Janis
favors Jayson Kidd. So if you can get him in there,
does that now increase your chances and opportunities of acquiring Yannis,
(24:43):
maybe because I have a hard time seeing Janis returning
back to Milwaukee. I heard the report that Wendy put
out yesterday, and with all that being said, I have
the utmost respect for Wendy, but I have a hard
time seeing Yannis because of the future and the layout
of the Milwaukee books, of them keeping him and moving
forward because they can't build around him.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I agree with you, totally agree with you. You just can't.
You're you're You're totally stuck. It's a year in which
you're stuck, and you know, here's a limited number of years,
and I do think that would I love to see
Yannis stave Milwaukee forever. Yeah, but I think once you
open the door to the possibility of leaving, which she
(25:27):
apparently has, then it's probably run. Its run its course.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
This is what happens when team skip steps though, but
when they try this is why I am not a
fan of big two's and big threes, and you know,
basically loading up on two or three guys and not
putting the ancillary pieces around them they need to be successful.
We saw the same thing in Phoenix, so the same
exact thing in Phoenix, and that's why Kevin Durant is
(25:55):
a hot topic now, That's why Giannis Andre Dacoumpo is
a hot topic now. They simply put talent together and
didn't worry about the role players that they were surrounding
the talent with. And now they're stuck financially, lack of
talent and no draft assets moving forward?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Who do that? I know you're still close to the
Spurs organization. Haven't been a part of a championship team there?
What do they want to put around Wemby?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
What is who's the type of guy they like? Is
it Kevin Durant somebody they want to put around Wemby?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Because you know what Wemby did is he expotided the process.
I think there was a point when the Spurs drafted
Wemby where they were thinking, like, you know what, we
got a five year window. You know, we got time.
And then Wemby and his rookie year was so much
more impactful and I think better than anyone thought that
he would be, and that exibtized the process. So now
(26:51):
you figured yourself, like, you know what, we can't do,
But we can't go out there and continue to put
all these rookies and young players around Victor wemy Nauma.
He needs to learn how to win quickly. So that's
why they go out and get Chris Paul, That's why
they go out and they get Harrison Barnes, That's why
they go out and get dere and File. So Wimby
being as good as he was, as quickly as he was,
(27:12):
I think he exiblizes the process. Now it's about winning.
It's about winning because it's going to come a point
where Wmby is a free agent and you don't want
to have him in the same situations that we've seen
ever rookies in in the past, where they're even thinking
about or fantasizing about what else is out there. You
want to put him in a winning situation around star
(27:33):
players now to build for the future. I think that's
the biggest thing in San Antonio right now.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's the one and only Antonio Daniels. He's awesome at
what he does and he's kind of to spend some
time with us. Antonio dani check him out on serious
XMNBA radio. Of course you always see him if you
watch the Pelicans games. Tell him thanks so much for
joining us.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Bud, I appreciate you, brother, thanks.
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Speaker 4 (28:24):
Let's Mando had tune bring me back by the way
that that tune brought me back to twenty twenty. Not
a lot of great memories from twenty twenty. But Roddy
Rich and people confuse us, this isn't It wasn't off
Roddy Rich's album. It was off Mustard's album. And like
that song, I must have played a thousand times during
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twenty twenty. Thank you Sam for that was right.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Rich's quick question?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Was Roddy Rich named after Rod Roddy, the former voice
guy at the Price is right?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I think so?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Okay, that's what That's what I thought too.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
A lot of people that that's one of them, actually
one of the most people. It's one of the most
underreported things, is that Roddy Rich saying, I also think
that I'm not going to google that one. There being
a descendant from the man who invented basketball playing in
the NBA Finals gets underreported, like they don't make a
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big deal enough about.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
That.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Is that is a yeah fact?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I it's Nie Smith. People, it's Nie Smith.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
It's an unreported fact.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It's Nate Smith.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
It's it's he dropped the eye in there.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
He did, he did. It's Doug gotlib show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Same guy, this is the same family.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
This is sarcasm. Let's get to Dan Byer with a game.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
At all right, it's an opportunity for Doug to crap
on someone or something. Uh, it's a game. We like
to call for better or worse, but Doug never takes
the opportunity, always takes the glass half full instead of
the glass half empty. Doug's gotta tell me what is
better or worse? In a topic and a showdown of
I guess two subjects, if you will, Doug, we start
(30:15):
out for better or worse NBA City. Now this is
city as a whole, Oklahoma City versus Indianapolis. What is
better or worse than the other?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Wow, ah, there is zero. I mean, look, Indianapolis is worse.
It's worse, and there's great parts of Indianapolis, but there's
kind of some randomness to Indianapolis as well. Right. I
love the suburbs of Indianapolis, especially the northern suburbs Carmel.
(30:52):
Got friends that live in Carmel. Carmel, but there's some
there's some shadiness to Indye. Oklahoma City is actually kind
of awesome. I saw David aldertro an article I read
earlier this morning, and it was about the growth of
the city around the growth of the team. And I'm
telling you, if you like, Midtown's are really good, cool area.
(31:15):
Bricktown's better than it used to be. But it's you know,
it's just a place to go out. But there's lots
of different areas that have really been reinvigorated because of
Devon Energy and the energy boom, but also because of
the thunder. So I think it's Oklahoma City It's honestly
a super underrated city and a little bit like Phoenix.
It has massively grown since COVID because the cost of
(31:39):
living was so inexpensive and people in other places like
I can get what for what and actually have a
little land. So yeah, Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
All right? Doug for better or worse? Basketball Finals? NBA
Finals versus Final Four.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I mean the NBA Finals is worse. So spread out
you don't know if you're catching a good game. The
ending of Game one was awesome, but Game two is
a hard watch. Whereas though there occasionally are two games
in the Final four, you get another one like a
day and a half later. You can't beat the funal four.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
All right, Doug for better or worse? Kevin Durant Western
Conference options? Right now, it's a three team showdown. We
think Rockets versus Spurs versus Timberwolves. What is the better
or worst option here for Kevin.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Durant Rockets versus Spurs.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Versus I think Spurs.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I mean, just can you imagine a team with him?
And when Manana and the same team, You're like, wait,
we're playing against aliens? Is that what we're doing? We're
playing against aliens? Two human beings that are not supposed
to be that talented, that skill, despite the fact that
they are, you know, seven feet and seven foot twelve.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, yeah, they got the number two pick. You also
have Daron Fox there they haven't They have young players
that you could deal all right, Doug for better or worse,
Kevin Durant, East Options, Heats Versus Nicks. Those are the
other two teams mentioned in Chams report.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I want the Knicks to happen, obviously, you know they
need more perimeter scoring. I wish he would have gone
to the next last time around. I think Kevin Durant
is He's not Lebron, but he's next year down. He's
as good a player as any we've had in any generation,
and I think he has tremendous work ethic from everything
(33:33):
I've been told, I'd love to see him in New York.
And you know, if he can bring a title to
New York, imagine the claim he would get. Whereas I
truly believe that he miscalculated. He thought, Hey, I go
to Golden State, Golden State needs me, We win some
titles and people finally see how great I am. Instead,
it just wasn't met with the same positivity that I
(33:54):
looked at and I think he looked at it with.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
All Right, Doug for better or worse head coach em
Udoka versus Tom Thibodeaux Thibbideaux, if you will.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That's always confusing, right, it's TIBs, but it's but it's
spelled Thibbs, and people say Thibideau, but then they call
him coach TIBs. It's very confusing. Uh, well, that's a
hard one.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
I say, Thom Thibideau.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Do you think if he was a th h O M.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I'm gonna go with them. Had better success with the
Celtics and has had really good success with the Rockets
so far.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
This on the heels of the next obviously firing TIBs
and requesting the opportunity to speak with Udoka and Chris
Finch and the into the News today Jason Kidd, which
all three were denied. The Knicks were. But it's an
interesting coaching dilemma, all Right, Doug switching gears, moving away
from basketball for better or worse? Golf? Major US Open
(34:53):
versus the Open aka British Open aka the Open Championship.
What is better or worse?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Uh? The US Open is better?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Okay, it's better.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
The only thing that like, I get that it's different.
It's linksy style, it's how golf's was supposed to be played.
I get all that. The only thing I really like
about the Open Championship is you wake up and it's on,
you know, Whereas here in the States you gotta especially
West Coast, you wake up and it's on. Whereas US
Open you gotta wait and like all, you know, major
(35:26):
championship since in the afternoon into the evening. So otherwise
I love it. I love that it's like a nearly
impossible course. Rory apparently shot eighty one on it last week.
I love the US Open, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Finally, Doug, for better or worse, Rogers Jersey, Rogers in
the Steelers Jersey or Rogers in the Jets Jersey.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Steeler Jersey, Steeler Jersey more historic and obviously four plays
in he tears as Achilles ten and Steelers Jersey.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
They got to change that font though for the number.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah it's weird.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It looked weird.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, it does look weird.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You're right, and that's game time.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
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