June 5, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug brings up something most people have not mentioned about the upcoming NBA Finals. Doug reacts to the breaking news from NFL media that Aaron Rodgers is close to being the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Doug welcomes former basketball coach and current broadcaster Dan Dakich from Outkick to break down the NBA Finals and the Fever controversy. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome in. I believe Dan Byer is back, which is awesome.
He was at Aaron Hills last Sunday for the conclusion
of the Women's US Open that chance to travel home,
see family, see friends, as well nephew's graduation, so he's back.
Welcome back, dB, and we're all back ready for the
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NBA Finals, which gets underway tonight at pay Com in
Oklahoma City. If you don't know the crew, Jason Stewart
is the esteem producer and of course Big Apple Iowa.
Sam is on the ones and twos and likes to
chime in and occasionally filibuster on the show. Jam packed.
First hour of the show, Dan Dakich, host of Don't
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At Me, will join us. Of course, he's mister Indiana
or Indianapolis, and he'll give us his perspective. There are
some interesting kind of quirks to the Indiana Pacers story.
Also got a it's a kind of fascinating thing on. Like,
I'm not really a Derek Carr guy, but there is
something that Derek Carr did on his way out of
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New Orleans, which I think all of us can say.
It's pretty solid stuff, pretty solid stuff. I don't know
if we can fit it in, but there was Stanley
cupp The Stanley Cup finals were played last night. I
do have just a quick question. I know Bayer knew
because that's buyer, that's kind of stuff. J Did you
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know the Stanley Cup Finals were last night?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Did you watch?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Negative?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You watched Dodd Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Mexican Dan sent me a great SoundBite though, wing Gretzky
making a spot on prediction during that game. We'll get
to that at some point.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I cannot wait, can't wait. It was one of those things.
And my son Hayes is up here with me and
we went after the show, we went out and hit
some golf balls and then had decided, Hey, we're gonna
have dinner at the club, like a bunch couple of
old men, right, And so we're sitting at the at
the golf club at Oneida Country Club Bar and we're
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watching the Stanley Cup Finals and he's like, is this
the finals? And I was like, I think so. And
then I said, look up in the corner there. My eyes,
I can't see that. I don't have my glass. I
can't see distance that clear. He's like, yeah, Stanley Cup Finals.
I was like, huh, who knew. He's like, well, I
didn't know. I was like, yeah, but I'm actually sports
and didn't know. So I apologize. We'll get to what
you missed during the show. You know, it's weird. The
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Eastern Conference has this ability to do something that the
Western Conference rarely does, which is produce a random champion.
Have you guys noticed that. We there's a lot of
times in which I've had people, We've had people say, man, dang,
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the greatest thing Lebron James ever did was take that
one NBA one Cleveland Cavalier team before he went to
Miami to the NBA finals. All Right, you guys remember that. Yeah,
I'll give you the year. I mean, but it's it's
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it's really interesting right that you go back and the
San Antonio Spurs dominated dominated the Cleveland Cavaliers in two
thousand and seven and they swept him four games to none.
Tony Parker was the MVP. And what's weird is we'll
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sit there and go like it was so amazing. Lebron
took that team to the finals. They did, they did.
What's lost in that is, you know, there was a
Sixers team with Alan Iverson that got there. There was
an Orlando Magic team with Dwight Howard that got there.
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There was a Boston Celtics team that was really loaded, obviously,
and obviously then we had those Heat teams that made
a run, the Cavs team that made a run, but
sprinkled in there. We had the Heat two years ago,
the Pacers this year. I even think you could say
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the Celtics four years ago was a little early. And
the Milwaukee Bucks had been in the playoffs the year
after year after year. They only won the finals when
they one played the Do you guys remember who the
Bucks beat? I know, Bayer, does they beat the Phoenix
Suns coached by many Williams. The Sons were that year's
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random team, but even then, the Milwaukee Bucks needed Kevin
Durant's team to fall apart with injuries and Katie had
his foot on the line. Otherwise they beat him in
Game seven at home without Kyrie Irving, without James Harden.
The point is that these there's a group of these
mostly Eastern Conference random teams that weren't the best team
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or maybe even the second best team in their conference,
that got hot, went on a run or had a
good matchup and get to a finals, and as prisoners
of the moment, we lock in and believe they have
a chance. Now do I think the Pacers have a chance?
I do, But all of the data is telling you
Oklahoma City last two regular seasons have been great and
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Denver was a hard matchup for him this year. Last
year was Dallas that was a hard matchup for him.
But otherwise they've been pretty dominant throughout and that's why
they're a substantial favorite in these NBA finals. And the
other part we have to look at with some of
these outlier teams that have made the finals from the
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Eastern conferences, none of them won a championship. They just didn't.
None of them won a championship. So I'm not saying
it absolutely won't happen. Injuries can be problematic, and I'll
tell you and I'm going to get to what the
biggest I think non storyline storyline of people who watch
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basketball will be, especially in Game one. But the likelihood
of a Pacer championship I think is fairly minimal. Not
because I don't like their team, or I don't like Indiana,
or right don't like Tyrese Haliburton. I just have data
that shows me Oklahoma City's probably the best team in
the NBA. They're playing like the best team in the NBA.
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They have home court advantage, and they do have a
good home court advantage, and the pieces fit together. They
defend well, they rebound well. Like i'd like, tell me
what I'm missing, tell me what I'm missing. Here's it,
here's one. Here's an interesting one. Hey, tell me what
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you think about this one. Stut Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Basketball people, and I think a little
bit non basketball people are just fans byra What would
you say is the thing you're watching for tonight? That
might be the most telling. Obviously, in the game, but
then maybe in the series as well.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
The thing I'm most watching for tonight is what happens
in the final six minutes of this game, where I
believe at some point Oklahoma City will have a lead.
And we saw it in the Bucks series, we saw
it in the cav series, we saw it in the
Knick series. Do the Pacers have that ability to come
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back from a deficit and do what they did so
the previous three teams? Is Oklahoma City immune to that?
And It's not that I'm going to tune in at
the six minute mark of the game, right, but it's
just the fact of does this magical run continue for
the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'll buttress that remarks with this and this I'm not
gonna act like this is my own original thought. I
had an NBA assistant tell me the cool thing about
the Pacers is these things they did in the regular
season as well, and they play with a plan late
in the game, and that they don't just come down
and take, you know, off balance threes and hope for
them to come in like they actually have a plan.
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In this particular case, We're going to keep playing with
our pace, playing with our tempo, but also now really
trying to lock in on shooting some threes, and it
has worked for I think the biggest thing I'm looking
for is how the game is officiated. How it's officiated,
and we will hyper focus obviously on Shae whether or
not he can draw fouls in the lane. But I
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think it's generally a level of physicality that both teams
play with. Both teams are crazy physical, both teams have
great depth, and both teams play a style where they're like,
you know, if if you call a foul, that's fine.
You're not gonna call everyone. And there's just such a
dramatic difference in how the games are played and who
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should be favored based upon how the game is officiated.
If it's a tightly officiated game, I think it favors
the thunder. I just do it means Shae marches to
the free throw line. I also think because of their youth,
remember it's the youngest team in the NBA, one of
the things that the Pacers have a tendency to do
is run you off the court because early in the
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first half you're laying the ball in, You're like, man,
this is great, We're just scoring easily. And then you
get tied. I don't know if this team does get tired. So, uh,
that's it's a solid here's a shake. Gilden sala Zander
talk about what his team needs to do to win
the series.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Staying true to who we are is the reason why
we're here. We'd be doing ourselves at disservice if we
if we change or try to be something we're not.
Once we got here, we've had success doing so if
we want to keep having success, we have to be
who we are. And it's organic. So it's nothing like
we have to think about our for us. It just
it's who we are, no matter the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Traders, stay who
we are. Here's his counterpoint, Tyrese Haliburton on what his
team needs to do to be successful.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
They're historically great on both sides of the ball. They
have the MVP. I mean, there's so many different things
that you could name down the list of why they
are so great at what they do and why they're
such a great team. If you want to go through
the best team, you want to go through the best challenge.
So this is the best challenge, and this is the
best team in the NBA has been the best team
in the NBA all year. And they're well coach, they
just they just do everything so well. So there's no
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shortcuts to beating this team. And we know the auds
are talked against us, but you know, it.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Is what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It is what it is. Doug Gottlieb Show here on
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Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's a Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Do you guys? Do you guys remember that show? What
would you do? I've Derek Carr did something that I
don't know how many of us would have done. We'll
get to that moment. First, though, we have breaking news.
Let me get you to Dan Fire for the update.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Doug. It's breaking news, but I don't know if it's
surprising news. A report from the NFL network says free
age of quarterback Aaron Rodgers has told the Steelers he
will sign a one year deal to play in Pittsburgh
in the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
That's that's big to us.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Jerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Yes,
I had to get the both of them in, says Rogers.
Expect is expected to attend minute camp next week.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Oh, Aaron Rodgers, out of the darkness, retreat and into
the into the Steelers. Jay Stu, what is give me
the one word to describe your emotion? When you hear that.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Very predictable, that's my emotion.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's your emotion. Yeah, oh, I'm I'm actually surprised. You
know why? What do you always say that you root for?
What do you root for in your job? What are
you root for?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I root for chaos, discomfort? Root for content?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Content? Aaron Rodgers in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers with the
Pittsburgh Steelers. Aaron Rodgers no showing and not telling anybody
until now and then early June, be like, yep, gonna
play for the Steelers. Does that fit the bill?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah? Aaron Rodgers A great content.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right exactly. So here's what I here's this is. We're
rolling on this. So we'll put this on social media, okay,
that you will have people say one hundred different takes
on Aaron Rodgers playing this year for the Steelers. Here's
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the only one that matters. Okay, and it's not because
I'm saying it. I'm saying it because it's the take
that matters. This is phenomenally good news. It doesn't mean
the Steelers are gonna win the Super Bowl, doesn't even
mean to make the playoffs, doesn't mean you'll have a
great season. What it does mean is how can you
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not pay attention to the Steelers? And in the Steelers defense,
they've gone how many years without quality quarterback play. It
doesn't mean Aaron Rodgers is going to be vintage or
even end of last season in Rogers. He may stink,
but it makes sense because he was the best possible
option for a team that just needs a quarterback. He's
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now going to play for another historic franchise, Packers being one,
Steelers being the next. I don't view the Jets as
a historic franchise, despite the fact they pulled off what's
seemed to be the biggest upset in Super Bowl history.
But more than anything, it's awesome. One of the greatest
quarterbacks of our lifetime has committed to playing another year
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in the NFL for one of the story franchises and
a long tenured head coach who everybody likes and we
all give a pass because, ah, he doesn't have a
quarterback now he does, and a defense and then the
Steelers and they tailor made it and got rid of
their problem child wide receiver, brought in all these tight ends.
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It all seems to work on paper, and it doesn't
matter if it does work, because if you can't be great,
at least be interesting. And the Steelers are interesting. Have
you looked at the I don't love schedule watching, as
we know, but there are two that pop up on
that schedule for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which feel very delicious
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to take a bite out of. Actually three three games
they open the season in New York or in Jersey
against the Jets. The fourth fourth game of the season
is in Pittsburgh against the Vikings, and after the bye week,
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in a couple more games. I think they're in this
game seven week eight Sunday Night football. They take on
their Green Bay Packers. Green Bay Packers. So whether or
not the Steelers win or lose doesn't matter to any
of us, and definitely doesn't matter to the NFL. The
NFL won today, kids, They won today, and they won
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today in no small part because look at the games.
CBS gets the Jets game. I think that game, the
uh oh, the Vikings game is not in Pittsburgh, right,
it's somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Dublin, Ireland is.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Ireland. And so the NFL network wins on that one.
And why is it? It's won because that's the Vikings,
the team that he reportedly wonted to play for, right,
and then the Packers is NBC. Everybody wins. Everybody wins.
Buyer your reaction as a native Wisconsin but also somebody
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who has never been a big Rogers guy.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, it's about time. Like he needs to be in.
He needs for the betterment of the team. This shouldn't
have gone. It shouldn't go up to training camp. It
shouldn't be one of those things I thought he should
have been there prior. I think he should have been
there these last couple of weeks. I know he has
done throwing sessions, but I at least will give him
a tip of the cap to be like, all right,
let's see it, let's do work. And he's going to
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be doing work in June.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm excited. Have I won you over jas too? Because
you are a guy that searches for great content. Let
me ask Dan Dockets. The show is called Don't at
Me Double d. Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers not official
but Twitter official. What's your reaction?
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes, Dan?
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Hey? What's up? Buddy? Didn't hear it? Dan?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You're live?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Dan, you're live on national radio. How are you?
Speaker 8 (17:47):
My phone kept connecting to my car and I'm in
my house. Weird stuff. What's going on? Douglas?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Hey, Aaron Rodgers reportedly going to become a Pittsburgh Steeler?
What do you think?
Speaker 8 (17:57):
Oh? I think it had to happen, right. Do you
know that you always you always get jobs before they're announced.
And everything seemed way too obvious that he was going
to go there. What a Steelers going to do? No
matter what Donald Trump says, Mason Rudolphe is not the
answer to anything. But a good looking guy with a
good mustache, and good for him. It looks like he'll
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be there for Minny Camp so good. I was hoping
the Colts would get him now that Anthony Richardson is
once again hurt, but he doesn't. He goes to the Steelers,
And I think that was pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Let's get to basketball. Obviously, you know, as a former
head coach, longtime basketball analist or now you cover all things.
If you were describe the Pacers run to the finals,
what would it be?
Speaker 8 (18:49):
I was gonna say predictable because of how they played
the second half of the season. People don't really understand
they've been I think they had the best record, tied
with maybe Cleveland in the East second half of the season.
And here's why. I don't know if it's predictable to
go to the finals. You haven't gone in twenty five years.
But unsurprising, let's put it that way. The people that
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paid attention because they Doug you know this. I know
I saw something the other day. You know, you got
to go through hard times, I think is what you
guys put out on Twitter, and the Pacers did. Haliburton
was terrible early in the year. He admitted he was terrible.
He was soft, he wasn't guarding, and you know when
you go through hard times and then all of a sudden,
since January first, you're playing as good as basketball as
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there is in Your point guard's going nine point eight
to one and a half, assist the turnovers, and you
have real talent on the team. All that stuff is good.
If you don't have real talent, it doesn't matter. But
they got real talent. The Opkins a real dude. Nemahart
is seen as a guy that's tough, but he's a
perfect fit guy. And Nei Smith is way better than
anybody gives him credit for. I think people are seeing it.
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So I would have said, you know, not surprising, maybe
not predictable. This is a good basketball team, and they've
played very very They played as well as any NBA
team second half of the season, and isn't that what matters?
You know, the first half of the season is great,
but you know, it's a pretty big sample size since
January one, and they've been very, very good.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Why do you think Haliburton has these games where he's
just a guy out there?
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I don't know, Doug, It's frustrating. You know, you look
at the numbers. Just if he just took the numbers
and then their losses, he's eight point six assists. In
their wins, he's thirty two or fifteen, you know, it was,
honest to god, It's frustrating because Doug, you know, point guard,
you know this better than anybody. Point guard said other people.
But he's asked to score. And he would do this
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constantly in both of the games where he was just
a guy. He would go down the lane and as
he was clearing the perimeter into the lane, you know,
he's got a nice float game, he's got a nice
pull up game. He was not looking to score. He
was looking to pass. And the pass out weren't an
advantation advantageous pass out. You know. It was almost like Doug,
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I swear to god, it was. It was almost like
he had scripted in his own money. I'm not scoring today, Like, okay, great,
but that's that's not good. He's got to be a dude.
I got to be a real dude and score first
past second when he gets past the perimeter defense. It's
frustrating as hell. The while he passed up so many
shots that he is so good at in the two
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games where he was bad and he can't be bad
in this series. He's bad in the game. Pacers are
going to lose. No, not to be fifteen to Zip.
It's funny he went thirty two points fifteen. The Zip
assist the turnovers sex was Isaiah Thomas, you know, the
Detroit Isaiah Thomas and you ever do that, He's like
you do no, you know, nobody does that. He doesn't
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have to be that guy every night, but he can
have a couple of games like he had that New
York Shires, just as you said, another guy.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, Dan Docus Jonius don't at me on Outkicking is
his show. He joins me on the Doug Otlib Show
on Fox Sports Radio. You've been at this long time player,
coach now broadcaster Rick Carlisle. What what makes him special?
Speaker 8 (22:14):
Talking to Scott Pollard, who played you a long time
in the NBA, played for Rick first time, he made
an interesting point that Mark Boyle, the voice of the Paciers,
said the same thing. When he was first here, he
was very controlling. He was very eight seconds, everybody got
to look over him, run the play. He didn't run
the play right. You're coming out that kind of thing.
And I think like players and most coaches do this.
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You know, you're trying to improve all the time. Most
people try to do that. And I really believe that
he learned, and I've heard this from other people that
know Rick, that he learned. Okay, let's make sure that
we adapt on two areas. One the way the game
is being played now. You know it's a more open game,
three point shooting. You got to adapt to that. And
then second thing is adapt to the people that we
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have and anybody that has that. I've talked to it.
I've talked to people inside the organization and in others.
They say he's done an amazing job at that. You know,
when he had Dirk, he set things up for Dirk,
and if you think about it, you know he set
a defensive strategy. He know as an offensive coach, but
he's had a defensive strategy that beat Lebron and those
guys you know back in the day with Dirk Novinsky
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and an older Jason Kidd. And I think that's a
big part of it. I think that that championship earned
him the trust. And I also think this Doug. I
think when you look at organizations and you look at
the Pacers, the ownership, the signment's very stable, whether it's
you know, Herb or the sons and Mels passed away,
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but Herber the Sons, and then you look at Kevin
Pritchard and Shad Buchan and the president and general manager,
they're all in line. There's no drama, zero and you
got a mature adult in the room with a proven
pedigree in Rick Carlo. The whole thing is straight down
the line. There's no wavering, there's no oh yeah, but
there's no drama. There's literally no drama. And they don't
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have choir boys. Nobody does. But they have no drama
on their team, man, And everybody tells me a lot
of that's do to the straight line. You just go
straight down from Herb Simon and the Sons to Pritchard
Buchanan to Carlisle Halliburton, they're all kind of everybody's on
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the same page. Dog, everybody's pulling in the same direction.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sport Trago.
Didn't you have an Indiana senator on earlier this week
talking about Angel?
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Yeah, Jim Banks. People in India are a little pissed
at the Fever and a third time that what's her name?
Angel Reese and her crew have accused falsely Fever fans
of being racist, and no one's stepping up for Fever fans,
and Jim Banks said, look, we're owed an apology by somebody,
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you know, The Fever haven't apologized to their fans. The
NBA or the WNBA hasn't said anything other than yeah,
we didn't find anything to substantiate it. And I got friends.
This really hit me. I got friend he said, Dad,
I was sitting in the area. He is, there wasn't
a word said racist because we had African American Ussians.
You think they're going to take that, you think And
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he said, like, I spent twenty five thirty five thousand
dollars a year bring my daughter to game, by season tickets,
by all this stuff. I spent a blank ton of money.
And he's like, you know, now you're known as a
racist person because the Fever don't ever say, hey, this
isn't our fan base. We could. We don't condone being
accused of something the WNBA. I don't expect Angel Reese
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to apologize, but our team should. It's ridiculous and it's
the third time, and you know, enough's enough. You know
you know this, everybody knows this. Somebody's trying to say
nonsense about you. The only way to stop it is
to confront it. And been disappointed as hell in them,
been disappointed in the leadership in Jim Banks State senator said,
you know what, I stand with our people. We're on
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apology and I agree with it. I totally agree with him.
Jim Bank's a good guy. Obviously there's more important things,
you know, but he's on my show, a sports show,
so we're going to talk about it, you know, So
good for him. Man, he stood up for the people
of Indiana.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, I agree with you. I mean, my first thing is,
I don't know if it was Angel Reese's people was
Here's the biggest issue I have is why do so
many pay attention to people who don't matter on Twitter?
What I mean again, there's there's some common sense there.
Like I'm not saying that there's not people who are
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racist in the state of Indiana. I mean again, percentage wise,
you know, even if it's half of one percent, that
there's still that's a number of people. But the likelihood
of them attending a fever game, right and only doing
this with Angel Reese and it's because you picked it
up up and you're watching a highlight on social media.
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It's just again, I just I'm blown away by how
many people care about people we shouldn't care about.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Doug, if you go to a fever game, which I have,
it's all little girls, their moms, their dads. I mean,
this is not a Boston Celtics against the Lakers crowd
in nineteen eighty six, you know, I mean, I mean,
it's like you know, I mean, everybody's dressing the Caitlin
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Clark yellow, whether it's Iowa, whether it's the Fever. And
a couple of my actually two of my buddies that
sat in the area go, I don't know what the
hell you know, you can make something up out of anything.
In fact, the initial thought was they were talking about
people booing when Angel Reis got the ball, like you know,
people doing college basketball the time. But I'm with you, brother,
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you know you here's the problem. You make an allegation.
And Google's great in some areas, but Google sucks in
other areas because you you know, you look up Fever fans,
you're going to see allegations of racist and blah blah blah.
And it's one of those deals. Doug worths, it's enough
enough enough. You did it once, he did it twice
us third time. And Angel Reese and the Chicago Sky
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have been shown to be liars. I mean they lied
last year and the video came out. They said they
were not allowed in a hotel room because of racist people.
There was one guy asking the question of Kennedy Carter
who cheap shot at Angel Reese. One guy was out
there with a camera phony said, hey, have you talked
to Angel Reason? And they reece? And excuse me, have
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you talked to Caitlin Clark and an Angel Reason? You
know they came out. Well, we were accosted. We couldn't
get in to the point where the Chicago Sky general
manager saying no, that didn't happen, and the evidence proved
it didn't. It's enough, you know, it's like your kid's
enough listening to nonsense.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I'll take you, but enough and well again the biggest
issue is again I agree enough, but it's also it's
like it's the point you made previously in regards to Google,
like there's no real way to put the genie back
in the bottle. And you call people racists and you
call fan base racist. You're like, what just because I'm
white does and I don't like you as a basketba
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player because you play for a different team, Well maybe
I don't like your persona. It's not because you're blacking.
You labeled me a racist, like how am I supposed
to defend myself against that. I'm not a racist, That's
why I know.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
That's why, That's why I like what Jim Banks did
because at least now somebody's defending, you know. And again,
defending doesn't erase it. Don't get me wrong. I mean defending,
you know is after the fact. And to your point,
the genie doesn't go back in the bottle. Google is
forever h But having said that, your only repercussion, or
you can sit there and do what the fever did,
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which you say, well, you know where there's no place
for you know, this kind of tie. You know, we
couldn't substantial it. Ain't say it didn't happen, but every
it did not happen. But I think everybody's so afraid
to stand up. I think everybody's so afraid to stand
up to the old school guard of the w NBA
out of fear that they'll be called racist for denying
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something I don't know's it's the honest thing in America.
The WNBA, in my opinion, has shown itself to be
exactly what it is, which is a racist, sexist mess.
And screw them, I mean, they attacked Mike town one
too many times. Jim Banks is sitting one too many times,
and we're going to fight back.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Screw them, Dan Docketts. The show is called Don't At Me.
It's on OutKick dot com. You can check it on
social media as well, of course long time basketball coaching,
basketball iolists and national.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
What do you got? Give me your prediction? What do
you got? Who wins?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I think the thunderwin.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
Everybody does, I know?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I just I just again, like, what is the you
know so much? It's about matchup strength and strength. Pacers
have great depth, so to the Thunder. Yeah, I think
that Haliburton's tremendous, but Shay is more consistent. I do
think Siakam is a special, special player and more consistent
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than Jalen Williams.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But for whatever reason, you know, and maybe it's the
style they play. He's not always emphasized in what they do.
And I get my fear of the Thunder is well.
I think for most people was older team, veteran team
to get thrown around a little bit kind of what
what Denver did to him before Denver was banged up.
And I don't think that's the Pacers. So you know,
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the one, the one and and like, look, PACER's great
home court advantage, so does Oklahoma City. So yes, no question,
two good ones. I Actually I think it's gonna be
a fun series to watch because both teams play fast
and open and free and you know, it's not Iso ball,
it's it's it's not thuggery ball. But but I don't
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think America will watch it that much because the names
and the teams and the brands of the players themselves.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
As I tell people at my age, I'm looking for
stuff to do, and my big fat ass is gonna
be sitting in front of a TV at a thirty
fruit from my team and I can't wait. How about that?
All right?
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this time. We turn things over to Dan Byer and say, Hey, Dan,
let's play a game.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
This is game time game Tig on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Hey, Dan Byer, what's the game today?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Doug? The game on this Thursday is.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
All right? We are drafting most memorable NBA Finals matchups.
What I ask of you guys is this, please specify
a year, because if you just said Lakers Celtics, that
would cover a lot of finals. But please at least
give a year if you can. On this topic. The
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order is Sam is first, I am second, Jason's third.
That Doug has the swing picks coming up at four
and five. As we reverse it, Iowa, Sam, you are
on the clock with.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
The number one overall pick to me, I will draft
the Cleveland Cavaliers over Golden State Warriors in twenty sixteen's
NBA Finals. Twenty fifteen season into the twenty sixteen NBA Finals.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I think that's a very good pick. I think it's
got to be like our most memorable finals of at
least the last decade. But it's not my favorite. My
favorite at number two in my memory. Twenty twenty one,
as Doug mentioned, Bucks beat the Suns. I understand why
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it wouldn't carry nationally, but you also have to realize
what it meant locally. I never thought I would see
the Bucks in an NBA Finals, let alone actually winning it.
So twenty twenty one, Bucks beat the Suns in six games. Jason,
you're on the clock.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I will go with the eighty seven Lakers Celtics eighty seven,
the first of the back to back finals wins for
the Lakers, and Magic Joston starred for my Los Angele
Lakers eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Alright, you're Los Angeles Laker girls. Sorry, I mean Lakers Lakers,
Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Doug, you were on the clock at number four.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Twenty thirteen. That was when the Miami Heat won their
second back in back to back titles. They beat the
San Antonio Spurs, the first in back to back years
they played the Spurs. Why is that memorable? Well, I
mean basically hall of famers on both teams. I was
at three for the Spurs and probably four for the Heat.
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But that was the famous Game six when it looked
like the Heat we're gonna lose. They interviewed some Heat
fans outside the arena while the game was still going on,
talking about had a great year, but man couldn't beat
the Spurs. They come back, Ray Allens three. They beat
the Spurs in Game six, Game seven, Lebron James the
only one and it was a really close game. That's
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that's minus twenty thirteen. Miami takes down the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
All right, that's the first round of our draft. We
now reverse it into the second round where Doug, you
are back on the clock again.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I'm gonna stick with the with the Lakers theme, only
this one. I'm gonna go the eighty eight Lakers Championship,
where the Lakers won back to back titles, their third
in four years, their last with Magic Johnson being their
point guard, and they took down the Detroit Pistons, who
had then win it the next two years. The Bad
Boys Pistons, Isaiah Thomas Game six on a springed ankle
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was magnificent at the Forum, but wasn't enough, as the
Lakers end up winning winning it in seven.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
All right, over to Jason Stewart's I'll go twenty ten.
I know we're Laker heavy, but Lakers beating the Celtics
seat again and I think Meadow World Peace had something
to do with Game seven to seal the deal. That
was a good one.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I'll for my seventh pick. They're at the seventh overall pick.
I got the ninety two finals. People will say this
is the least memorable of the Bulls Finals, but I
don't think if they remember on how good Portland was.
And Portland had a Game six lead at the end
of the third quarter of fifteen points. They were twelve
minutes away from taking the Bulls to a Game seven
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and what had been a pretty competitive series. Give me
the ninety two NBA Finals, Sam, you wrap it up.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
I'll take the eight Celtics over the Lakers in six.
It was the Celtics first championship in over twenty twelve,
over twenty years. It was Doc rivers only championship so far.
Kevin Garnett got his title and they threw some red
gatorade on him on the court.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Oh yes, I was there in Boston for that very
nice quarter party. Humble Bragg. That's game time, game.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome in. I believe Dan Byer is back, which is awesome.
He was at Aaron Hills last Sunday for the conclusion
of the Women's US Open that chance to travel home,
see family, see friends, as well nephew's graduation, so he's back.
Welcome back, dB, and we're all back ready for the
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NBA Finals, which gets underway tonight at pay Com in
Oklahoma City. If you don't know the crew, Jason Stewart
is the esteem producer and of course Big Apple Iowa.
Sam is on the ones and twos and likes to
chime in and occasionally filibuster on the show. Jam packed.
First hour of the show, Dan Dakich, host of Don't
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At Me, will join us. Of course, he's mister Indiana
or Indianapolis, and he'll give us his perspective. There are
some interesting kind of quirks to the Indiana Pacers story.
Also got a it's a kind of fascinating thing on. Like,
I'm not really a Derek Carr guy, but there is
something that Derek Carr did on his way out of
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New Orleans, which I think all of us can say.
It's pretty solid stuff, pretty solid stuff. I don't know
if we can fit it in, but there was Stanley
cupp The Stanley Cup finals were played last night. I
do have just a quick question. I know Bayer knew
because that's buyer, that's kind of stuff. J Did you
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know the Stanley Cup Finals were last night?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Did you watch?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Negative?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You watched Dodd Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Mexican Dan sent me a great SoundBite though, wing Gretzky
making a spot on prediction during that game. We'll get
to that at some point.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I cannot wait, can't wait. It was one of those things.
And my son Hayes is up here with me and
we went after the show, we went out and hit
some golf balls and then had decided, Hey, we're gonna
have dinner at the club, like a bunch couple of
old men, right, And so we're sitting at the at
the golf club at Oneida Country Club Bar and we're
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watching the Stanley Cup Finals and he's like, is this
the finals? And I was like, I think so. And
then I said, look up in the corner there. My eyes,
I can't see that. I don't have my glass. I
can't see distance that clear. He's like, yeah, Stanley Cup Finals.
I was like, huh, who knew. He's like, well, I
didn't know. I was like, yeah, but I'm actually sports
and didn't know. So I apologize. We'll get to what
you missed during the show. You know, it's weird. The
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Eastern Conference has this ability to do something that the
Western Conference rarely does, which is produce a random champion.
Have you guys noticed that. We there's a lot of
times in which I've had people, We've had people say, man, dang,
(03:33):
the greatest thing Lebron James ever did was take that
one NBA one Cleveland Cavalier team before he went to
Miami to the NBA finals. All Right, you guys remember that. Yeah,
I'll give you the year. I mean, but it's it's
(03:53):
it's really interesting right that you go back and the
San Antonio Spurs dominated dominated the Cleveland Cavaliers in two
thousand and seven and they swept him four games to none.
Tony Parker was the MVP. And what's weird is we'll
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sit there and go like it was so amazing. Lebron
took that team to the finals. They did, they did.
What's lost in that is, you know, there was a
Sixers team with Alan Iverson that got there. There was
an Orlando Magic team with Dwight Howard that got there.
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There was a Boston Celtics team that was really loaded, obviously,
and obviously then we had those Heat teams that made
a run, the Cavs team that made a run, but
sprinkled in there. We had the Heat two years ago,
the Pacers this year. I even think you could say
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the Celtics four years ago was a little early. And
the Milwaukee Bucks had been in the playoffs the year
after year after year. They only won the finals when
they one played the Do you guys remember who the
Bucks beat? I know, Bayer, does they beat the Phoenix
Suns coached by many Williams. The Sons were that year's
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random team, but even then, the Milwaukee Bucks needed Kevin
Durant's team to fall apart with injuries and Katie had
his foot on the line. Otherwise they beat him in
Game seven at home without Kyrie Irving, without James Harden.
The point is that these there's a group of these
mostly Eastern Conference random teams that weren't the best team
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or maybe even the second best team in their conference,
that got hot, went on a run or had a
good matchup and get to a finals, and as prisoners
of the moment, we lock in and believe they have
a chance. Now do I think the Pacers have a chance?
I do, But all of the data is telling you
Oklahoma City last two regular seasons have been great and
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Denver was a hard matchup for him this year. Last
year was Dallas that was a hard matchup for him.
But otherwise they've been pretty dominant throughout and that's why
they're a substantial favorite in these NBA finals. And the
other part we have to look at with some of
these outlier teams that have made the finals from the
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Eastern conferences, none of them won a championship. They just didn't.
None of them won a championship. So I'm not saying
it absolutely won't happen. Injuries can be problematic, and I'll
tell you and I'm going to get to what the
biggest I think non storyline storyline of people who watch
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basketball will be, especially in Game one. But the likelihood
of a Pacer championship I think is fairly minimal. Not
because I don't like their team, or I don't like Indiana,
or right don't like Tyrese Haliburton. I just have data
that shows me Oklahoma City's probably the best team in
the NBA. They're playing like the best team in the NBA.
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They have home court advantage, and they do have a
good home court advantage, and the pieces fit together. They
defend well, they rebound well. Like i'd like, tell me
what I'm missing, tell me what I'm missing. Here's it,
here's one. Here's an interesting one. Hey, tell me what
(07:29):
you think about this one. Stut Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Basketball people, and I think a little
bit non basketball people are just fans byra What would
you say is the thing you're watching for tonight? That
might be the most telling. Obviously, in the game, but
then maybe in the series as well.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
The thing I'm most watching for tonight is what happens
in the final six minutes of this game, where I
believe at some point Oklahoma City will have a lead.
And we saw it in the Bucks series, we saw
it in the cav series, we saw it in the
Knick series. Do the Pacers have that ability to come
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back from a deficit and do what they did so
the previous three teams? Is Oklahoma City immune to that?
And It's not that I'm going to tune in at
the six minute mark of the game, right, but it's
just the fact of does this magical run continue for
the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'll buttress that remarks with this and this I'm not
gonna act like this is my own original thought. I
had an NBA assistant tell me the cool thing about
the Pacers is these things they did in the regular
season as well, and they play with a plan late
in the game, and that they don't just come down
and take, you know, off balance threes and hope for
them to come in like they actually have a plan.
(08:50):
In this particular case, We're going to keep playing with
our pace, playing with our tempo, but also now really
trying to lock in on shooting some threes, and it
has worked for I think the biggest thing I'm looking
for is how the game is officiated. How it's officiated,
and we will hyper focus obviously on Shae whether or
not he can draw fouls in the lane. But I
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think it's generally a level of physicality that both teams
play with. Both teams are crazy physical, both teams have
great depth, and both teams play a style where they're like,
you know, if if you call a foul, that's fine.
You're not gonna call everyone. And there's just such a
dramatic difference in how the games are played and who
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should be favored based upon how the game is officiated.
If it's a tightly officiated game, I think it favors
the thunder. I just do it means Shae marches to
the free throw line. I also think because of their youth,
remember it's the youngest team in the NBA, one of
the things that the Pacers have a tendency to do
is run you off the court because early in the
(09:56):
first half you're laying the ball in, You're like, man,
this is great, We're just scoring easily. And then you
get tied. I don't know if this team does get tired. So, uh,
that's it's a solid here's a shake. Gilden sala Zander
talk about what his team needs to do to win
the series.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Staying true to who we are is the reason why
we're here. We'd be doing ourselves at disservice if we
if we change or try to be something we're not.
Once we got here, we've had success doing so if
we want to keep having success, we have to be
who we are. And it's organic. So it's nothing like
we have to think about our for us. It just
it's who we are, no matter the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Traders, stay who
we are. Here's his counterpoint, Tyrese Haliburton on what his
team needs to do to be successful.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
They're historically great on both sides of the ball. They
have the MVP. I mean, there's so many different things
that you could name down the list of why they
are so great at what they do and why they're
such a great team. If you want to go through
the best team, you want to go through the best challenge.
So this is the best challenge, and this is the
best team in the NBA has been the best team
in the NBA all year. And they're well coach, they
just they just do everything so well. So there's no
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shortcuts to beating this team. And we know the auds
are talked against us, but you know, it.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Is what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It is what it is. Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio.
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Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's a Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Do you guys? Do you guys remember that show? What
would you do? I've Derek Carr did something that I
don't know how many of us would have done. We'll
get to that moment. First, though, we have breaking news.
Let me get you to Dan Fire for the update.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Doug. It's breaking news, but I don't know if it's
surprising news. A report from the NFL network says free
age of quarterback Aaron Rodgers has told the Steelers he
will sign a one year deal to play in Pittsburgh
in the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
That's that's big to us.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Jerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Yes,
I had to get the both of them in, says Rogers.
Expect is expected to attend minute camp next week.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Oh, Aaron Rodgers, out of the darkness, retreat and into
the into the Steelers. Jay Stu, what is give me
the one word to describe your emotion? When you hear that.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Very predictable, that's my emotion.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's your emotion. Yeah, oh, I'm I'm actually surprised. You
know why? What do you always say that you root for?
What do you root for in your job? What are
you root for?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I root for chaos, discomfort? Root for content?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Content? Aaron Rodgers in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers with the
Pittsburgh Steelers. Aaron Rodgers no showing and not telling anybody
until now and then early June, be like, yep, gonna
play for the Steelers. Does that fit the bill?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah? Aaron Rodgers A great content.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right exactly. So here's what I here's this is. We're
rolling on this. So we'll put this on social media, okay,
that you will have people say one hundred different takes
on Aaron Rodgers playing this year for the Steelers. Here's
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the only one that matters. Okay, and it's not because
I'm saying it. I'm saying it because it's the take
that matters. This is phenomenally good news. It doesn't mean
the Steelers are gonna win the Super Bowl, doesn't even
mean to make the playoffs, doesn't mean you'll have a
great season. What it does mean is how can you
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not pay attention to the Steelers? And in the Steelers defense,
they've gone how many years without quality quarterback play. It
doesn't mean Aaron Rodgers is going to be vintage or
even end of last season in Rogers. He may stink,
but it makes sense because he was the best possible
option for a team that just needs a quarterback. He's
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now going to play for another historic franchise, Packers being one,
Steelers being the next. I don't view the Jets as
a historic franchise, despite the fact they pulled off what's
seemed to be the biggest upset in Super Bowl history.
But more than anything, it's awesome. One of the greatest
quarterbacks of our lifetime has committed to playing another year
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in the NFL for one of the story franchises and
a long tenured head coach who everybody likes and we
all give a pass because, ah, he doesn't have a
quarterback now he does, and a defense and then the
Steelers and they tailor made it and got rid of
their problem child wide receiver, brought in all these tight ends.
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It all seems to work on paper, and it doesn't
matter if it does work, because if you can't be great,
at least be interesting. And the Steelers are interesting. Have
you looked at the I don't love schedule watching, as
we know, but there are two that pop up on
that schedule for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which feel very delicious
(15:22):
to take a bite out of. Actually three three games
they open the season in New York or in Jersey
against the Jets. The fourth fourth game of the season
is in Pittsburgh against the Vikings, and after the bye week,
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in a couple more games. I think they're in this
game seven week eight Sunday Night football. They take on
their Green Bay Packers. Green Bay Packers. So whether or
not the Steelers win or lose doesn't matter to any
of us, and definitely doesn't matter to the NFL. The
NFL won today, kids, They won today, and they won
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today in no small part because look at the games.
CBS gets the Jets game. I think that game, the
uh oh, the Vikings game is not in Pittsburgh, right,
it's somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Dublin, Ireland is.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Ireland. And so the NFL network wins on that one.
And why is it? It's won because that's the Vikings,
the team that he reportedly wonted to play for, right,
and then the Packers is NBC. Everybody wins. Everybody wins.
Buyer your reaction as a native Wisconsin but also somebody
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who has never been a big Rogers guy.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, it's about time. Like he needs to be in.
He needs for the betterment of the team. This shouldn't
have gone. It shouldn't go up to training camp. It
shouldn't be one of those things I thought he should
have been there prior. I think he should have been
there these last couple of weeks. I know he has
done throwing sessions, but I at least will give him
a tip of the cap to be like, all right,
let's see it, let's do work. And he's going to
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be doing work in June.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm excited. Have I won you over jas too? Because
you are a guy that searches for great content. Let
me ask Dan Dockets. The show is called Don't at
Me Double d. Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers not official
but Twitter official. What's your reaction?
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes, Dan?
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Hey? What's up? Buddy? Didn't hear it? Dan?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You're live?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Dan, you're live on national radio. How are you?
Speaker 8 (17:47):
My phone kept connecting to my car and I'm in
my house. Weird stuff. What's going on? Douglas?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Hey, Aaron Rodgers reportedly going to become a Pittsburgh Steeler?
What do you think?
Speaker 8 (17:57):
Oh? I think it had to happen, right. Do you
know that you always you always get jobs before they're announced.
And everything seemed way too obvious that he was going
to go there. What a Steelers going to do? No
matter what Donald Trump says, Mason Rudolphe is not the
answer to anything. But a good looking guy with a
good mustache, and good for him. It looks like he'll
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be there for Minny Camp so good. I was hoping
the Colts would get him now that Anthony Richardson is
once again hurt, but he doesn't. He goes to the Steelers,
And I think that was pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Let's get to basketball. Obviously, you know, as a former
head coach, longtime basketball analist or now you cover all things.
If you were describe the Pacers run to the finals,
what would it be?
Speaker 8 (18:49):
I was gonna say predictable because of how they played
the second half of the season. People don't really understand
they've been I think they had the best record, tied
with maybe Cleveland in the East second half of the season.
And here's why. I don't know if it's predictable to
go to the finals. You haven't gone in twenty five years.
But unsurprising, let's put it that way. The people that
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paid attention because they Doug you know this. I know
I saw something the other day. You know, you got
to go through hard times, I think is what you
guys put out on Twitter, and the Pacers did. Haliburton
was terrible early in the year. He admitted he was terrible.
He was soft, he wasn't guarding, and you know when
you go through hard times and then all of a sudden,
since January first, you're playing as good as basketball as
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there is in Your point guard's going nine point eight
to one and a half, assist the turnovers, and you
have real talent on the team. All that stuff is good.
If you don't have real talent, it doesn't matter. But
they got real talent. The Opkins a real dude. Nemahart
is seen as a guy that's tough, but he's a
perfect fit guy. And Nei Smith is way better than
anybody gives him credit for. I think people are seeing it.
(19:54):
So I would have said, you know, not surprising, maybe
not predictable. This is a good basketball team, and they've
played very very They played as well as any NBA
team second half of the season, and isn't that what matters?
You know, the first half of the season is great,
but you know, it's a pretty big sample size since
January one, and they've been very, very good.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Why do you think Haliburton has these games where he's
just a guy out there?
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I don't know, Doug, It's frustrating. You know, you look
at the numbers. Just if he just took the numbers
and then their losses, he's eight point six assists. In
their wins, he's thirty two or fifteen, you know, it was,
honest to god, It's frustrating because Doug, you know, point guard,
you know this better than anybody. Point guard said other people.
But he's asked to score. And he would do this
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constantly in both of the games where he was just
a guy. He would go down the lane and as
he was clearing the perimeter into the lane, you know,
he's got a nice float game, he's got a nice
pull up game. He was not looking to score. He
was looking to pass. And the pass out weren't an
advantation advantageous pass out. You know. It was almost like Doug,
(21:07):
I swear to god, it was. It was almost like
he had scripted in his own money. I'm not scoring today, Like, okay, great,
but that's that's not good. He's got to be a dude.
I got to be a real dude and score first
past second when he gets past the perimeter defense. It's
frustrating as hell. The while he passed up so many
shots that he is so good at in the two
(21:30):
games where he was bad and he can't be bad
in this series. He's bad in the game. Pacers are
going to lose. No, not to be fifteen to Zip.
It's funny he went thirty two points fifteen. The Zip
assist the turnovers sex was Isaiah Thomas, you know, the
Detroit Isaiah Thomas and you ever do that, He's like
you do no, you know, nobody does that. He doesn't
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have to be that guy every night, but he can
have a couple of games like he had that New
York Shires, just as you said, another guy.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, Dan Docus Jonius don't at me on Outkicking is
his show. He joins me on the Doug Otlib Show
on Fox Sports Radio. You've been at this long time player,
coach now broadcaster Rick Carlisle. What what makes him special?
Speaker 8 (22:14):
Talking to Scott Pollard, who played you a long time
in the NBA, played for Rick first time, he made
an interesting point that Mark Boyle, the voice of the Paciers,
said the same thing. When he was first here, he
was very controlling. He was very eight seconds, everybody got
to look over him, run the play. He didn't run
the play right. You're coming out that kind of thing.
And I think like players and most coaches do this.
(22:37):
You know, you're trying to improve all the time. Most
people try to do that. And I really believe that
he learned, and I've heard this from other people that
know Rick, that he learned. Okay, let's make sure that
we adapt on two areas. One the way the game
is being played now. You know it's a more open game,
three point shooting. You got to adapt to that. And
then second thing is adapt to the people that we
(22:59):
have and anybody that has that. I've talked to it.
I've talked to people inside the organization and in others.
They say he's done an amazing job at that. You know,
when he had Dirk, he set things up for Dirk,
and if you think about it, you know he set
a defensive strategy. He know as an offensive coach, but
he's had a defensive strategy that beat Lebron and those
guys you know back in the day with Dirk Novinsky
(23:22):
and an older Jason Kidd. And I think that's a
big part of it. I think that that championship earned
him the trust. And I also think this Doug. I
think when you look at organizations and you look at
the Pacers, the ownership, the signment's very stable, whether it's
you know, Herb or the sons and Mels passed away,
(23:42):
but Herber the Sons, and then you look at Kevin
Pritchard and Shad Buchan and the president and general manager,
they're all in line. There's no drama, zero and you
got a mature adult in the room with a proven
pedigree in Rick Carlo. The whole thing is straight down
the line. There's no wavering, there's no oh yeah, but
there's no drama. There's literally no drama. And they don't
(24:04):
have choir boys. Nobody does. But they have no drama
on their team, man, And everybody tells me a lot
of that's do to the straight line. You just go
straight down from Herb Simon and the Sons to Pritchard
Buchanan to Carlisle Halliburton, they're all kind of everybody's on
(24:25):
the same page. Dog, everybody's pulling in the same direction.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sport Trago.
Didn't you have an Indiana senator on earlier this week
talking about Angel?
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Yeah, Jim Banks. People in India are a little pissed
at the Fever and a third time that what's her name?
Angel Reese and her crew have accused falsely Fever fans
of being racist, and no one's stepping up for Fever fans,
and Jim Banks said, look, we're owed an apology by somebody,
(24:59):
you know, The Fever haven't apologized to their fans. The
NBA or the WNBA hasn't said anything other than yeah,
we didn't find anything to substantiate it. And I got friends.
This really hit me. I got friend he said, Dad,
I was sitting in the area. He is, there wasn't
a word said racist because we had African American Ussians.
You think they're going to take that, you think And
(25:19):
he said, like, I spent twenty five thirty five thousand
dollars a year bring my daughter to game, by season tickets,
by all this stuff. I spent a blank ton of money.
And he's like, you know, now you're known as a
racist person because the Fever don't ever say, hey, this
isn't our fan base. We could. We don't condone being
accused of something the WNBA. I don't expect Angel Reese
(25:43):
to apologize, but our team should. It's ridiculous and it's
the third time, and you know, enough's enough. You know
you know this, everybody knows this. Somebody's trying to say
nonsense about you. The only way to stop it is
to confront it. And been disappointed as hell in them,
been disappointed in the leadership in Jim Banks State senator said,
you know what, I stand with our people. We're on
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apology and I agree with it. I totally agree with him.
Jim Bank's a good guy. Obviously there's more important things,
you know, but he's on my show, a sports show,
so we're going to talk about it, you know, So
good for him. Man, he stood up for the people
of Indiana.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, I agree with you. I mean, my first thing is,
I don't know if it was Angel Reese's people was
Here's the biggest issue I have is why do so
many pay attention to people who don't matter on Twitter?
What I mean again, there's there's some common sense there.
Like I'm not saying that there's not people who are
(26:41):
racist in the state of Indiana. I mean again, percentage wise,
you know, even if it's half of one percent, that
there's still that's a number of people. But the likelihood
of them attending a fever game, right and only doing
this with Angel Reese and it's because you picked it
up up and you're watching a highlight on social media.
(27:02):
It's just again, I just I'm blown away by how
many people care about people we shouldn't care about.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Doug, if you go to a fever game, which I have,
it's all little girls, their moms, their dads. I mean,
this is not a Boston Celtics against the Lakers crowd
in nineteen eighty six, you know, I mean, I mean,
it's like you know, I mean, everybody's dressing the Caitlin
(27:29):
Clark yellow, whether it's Iowa, whether it's the Fever. And
a couple of my actually two of my buddies that
sat in the area go, I don't know what the
hell you know, you can make something up out of anything.
In fact, the initial thought was they were talking about
people booing when Angel Reis got the ball, like you know,
people doing college basketball the time. But I'm with you, brother,
(27:52):
you know you here's the problem. You make an allegation.
And Google's great in some areas, but Google sucks in
other areas because you you know, you look up Fever fans,
you're going to see allegations of racist and blah blah blah.
And it's one of those deals. Doug worths, it's enough
enough enough. You did it once, he did it twice
us third time. And Angel Reese and the Chicago Sky
(28:14):
have been shown to be liars. I mean they lied
last year and the video came out. They said they
were not allowed in a hotel room because of racist people.
There was one guy asking the question of Kennedy Carter
who cheap shot at Angel Reese. One guy was out
there with a camera phony said, hey, have you talked
to Angel Reason? And they reece? And excuse me, have
(28:36):
you talked to Caitlin Clark and an Angel Reason? You
know they came out. Well, we were accosted. We couldn't
get in to the point where the Chicago Sky general
manager saying no, that didn't happen, and the evidence proved
it didn't. It's enough, you know, it's like your kid's
enough listening to nonsense.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I'll take you, but enough and well again the biggest
issue is again I agree enough, but it's also it's
like it's the point you made previously in regards to Google,
like there's no real way to put the genie back
in the bottle. And you call people racists and you
call fan base racist. You're like, what just because I'm
white does and I don't like you as a basketba
(29:16):
player because you play for a different team, Well maybe
I don't like your persona. It's not because you're blacking.
You labeled me a racist, like how am I supposed
to defend myself against that. I'm not a racist, That's
why I know.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
That's why, That's why I like what Jim Banks did
because at least now somebody's defending, you know. And again,
defending doesn't erase it. Don't get me wrong. I mean defending,
you know is after the fact. And to your point,
the genie doesn't go back in the bottle. Google is
forever h But having said that, your only repercussion, or
you can sit there and do what the fever did,
(29:50):
which you say, well, you know where there's no place
for you know, this kind of tie. You know, we
couldn't substantial it. Ain't say it didn't happen, but every
it did not happen. But I think everybody's so afraid
to stand up. I think everybody's so afraid to stand
up to the old school guard of the w NBA
out of fear that they'll be called racist for denying
(30:13):
something I don't know's it's the honest thing in America.
The WNBA, in my opinion, has shown itself to be
exactly what it is, which is a racist, sexist mess.
And screw them, I mean, they attacked Mike town one
too many times. Jim Banks is sitting one too many times,
and we're going to fight back.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Screw them, Dan Docketts. The show is called Don't At Me.
It's on OutKick dot com. You can check it on
social media as well, of course long time basketball coaching,
basketball iolists and national.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
What do you got? Give me your prediction? What do
you got? Who wins?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I think the thunderwin.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
Everybody does, I know?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I just I just again, like, what is the you
know so much? It's about matchup strength and strength. Pacers
have great depth, so to the Thunder. Yeah, I think
that Haliburton's tremendous, but Shay is more consistent. I do
think Siakam is a special, special player and more consistent
(31:11):
than Jalen Williams.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But for whatever reason, you know, and maybe it's the
style they play. He's not always emphasized in what they do.
And I get my fear of the Thunder is well.
I think for most people was older team, veteran team
to get thrown around a little bit kind of what
what Denver did to him before Denver was banged up.
And I don't think that's the Pacers. So you know,
(31:35):
the one, the one and and like, look, PACER's great
home court advantage, so does Oklahoma City. So yes, no question,
two good ones. I Actually I think it's gonna be
a fun series to watch because both teams play fast
and open and free and you know, it's not Iso ball,
it's it's it's not thuggery ball. But but I don't
(31:56):
think America will watch it that much because the names
and the teams and the brands of the players themselves.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
As I tell people at my age, I'm looking for
stuff to do, and my big fat ass is gonna
be sitting in front of a TV at a thirty
fruit from my team and I can't wait. How about that?
All right?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
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this time. We turn things over to Dan Byer and say, Hey, Dan,
let's play a game.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
This is game time game Tig on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Hey, Dan Byer, what's the game today?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Doug? The game on this Thursday is.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
All right? We are drafting most memorable NBA Finals matchups.
What I ask of you guys is this, please specify
a year, because if you just said Lakers Celtics, that
would cover a lot of finals. But please at least
give a year if you can. On this topic. The
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order is Sam is first, I am second, Jason's third.
That Doug has the swing picks coming up at four
and five. As we reverse it, Iowa, Sam, you are
on the clock with.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
The number one overall pick to me, I will draft
the Cleveland Cavaliers over Golden State Warriors in twenty sixteen's
NBA Finals. Twenty fifteen season into the twenty sixteen NBA Finals.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I think that's a very good pick. I think it's
got to be like our most memorable finals of at
least the last decade. But it's not my favorite. My
favorite at number two in my memory. Twenty twenty one,
as Doug mentioned, Bucks beat the Suns. I understand why
(34:28):
it wouldn't carry nationally, but you also have to realize
what it meant locally. I never thought I would see
the Bucks in an NBA Finals, let alone actually winning it.
So twenty twenty one, Bucks beat the Suns in six games. Jason,
you're on the clock.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I will go with the eighty seven Lakers Celtics eighty seven,
the first of the back to back finals wins for
the Lakers, and Magic Joston starred for my Los Angele
Lakers eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Alright, you're Los Angeles Laker girls. Sorry, I mean Lakers Lakers,
Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Doug, you were on the clock at number four.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Twenty thirteen. That was when the Miami Heat won their
second back in back to back titles. They beat the
San Antonio Spurs, the first in back to back years
they played the Spurs. Why is that memorable? Well, I
mean basically hall of famers on both teams. I was
at three for the Spurs and probably four for the Heat.
(35:39):
But that was the famous Game six when it looked
like the Heat we're gonna lose. They interviewed some Heat
fans outside the arena while the game was still going on,
talking about had a great year, but man couldn't beat
the Spurs. They come back, Ray Allens three. They beat
the Spurs in Game six, Game seven, Lebron James the
only one and it was a really close game. That's
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that's minus twenty thirteen. Miami takes down the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
All right, that's the first round of our draft. We
now reverse it into the second round where Doug, you
are back on the clock again.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I'm gonna stick with the with the Lakers theme, only
this one. I'm gonna go the eighty eight Lakers Championship,
where the Lakers won back to back titles, their third
in four years, their last with Magic Johnson being their
point guard, and they took down the Detroit Pistons, who
had then win it the next two years. The Bad
Boys Pistons, Isaiah Thomas Game six on a springed ankle
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was magnificent at the Forum, but wasn't enough, as the
Lakers end up winning winning it in seven.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
All right, over to Jason Stewart's I'll go twenty ten.
I know we're Laker heavy, but Lakers beating the Celtics
seat again and I think Meadow World Peace had something
to do with Game seven to seal the deal. That
was a good one.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I'll for my seventh pick. They're at the seventh overall pick.
I got the ninety two finals. People will say this
is the least memorable of the Bulls Finals, but I
don't think if they remember on how good Portland was.
And Portland had a Game six lead at the end
of the third quarter of fifteen points. They were twelve
minutes away from taking the Bulls to a Game seven
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and what had been a pretty competitive series. Give me
the ninety two NBA Finals, Sam, you wrap it up.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
I'll take the eight Celtics over the Lakers in six.
It was the Celtics first championship in over twenty twelve,
over twenty years. It was Doc rivers only championship so far.
Kevin Garnett got his title and they threw some red
gatorade on him on the court.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Oh yes, I was there in Boston for that very
nice quarter party. Humble Bragg. That's game time, game.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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