October 17, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug talks about the Bengals upsetting the Steelers on Thursday night and how Aaron Rodgers showed us all of Aaron Rodgers during the game. Doug welcomes former Bucs' general manager Mark Dominik to the show to talk about the Bengals, Aaron Rodgers and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Got Dibbs!".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a football Friday, nonetheless, and we are so happy to
have you. Dan Byer alongside. He got my band Sam
Kinsel alongside. Of course, you have the one and only
Jason Stewart alongside. At some point we're going to get
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into Jason's desire to have some radio shows stop making
predictions because they're sure to go wrong. We'll get into that.
We got a great show for you, including we'll have
a discussion on Kirk Signetti and the eleven point eight
million dollars per year that he's gonna receive from Indiana
that was announced yesterday during our show. So we got
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a lot to get to. I want to start with
last night's Thursday night football game. If that's okay, I'm
not trying to diminish the Dodgers victory over the Brewers.
But it just hasn't been a competitive series. But I
have something on that for you, and it really does
play into my Clayton Kershaw take from last week. You're
like recycling takes like no, I like, here's what I like.
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I like congruent takes, like congruent takes. Does that make
sense to you? Guys like like Danny, does that make sense?
A congruent tape meaning a take in one thing has
to fit a take in the other. I it frustrates
me when some guys will make one take, you know,
like hey, you got to hire an offensive mind, and
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then two weeks later they're like, why'd you hire an
offensive coordinator to be your kid? Hire a head coach,
it doesn't matter about his background. I like congruente if
you have a take, and again, you're allowed to change
your mind as well. It's one of the things we
try and do try to keep it real for you,
is sometimes we go like, hey, you know, I look
at this now, a week later, six weeks later, a
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month later, six months later, and I have a different
perception of it now than I did then. I do
like congruent takes, and my take on Clayton Kershaw is
much like my take on the Milwaukee Brewers. We'll get
to that later in the show, but let's start with this.
I have been the most staunch defender of Aaron Rodgers
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I think, on network radio, and I'm also fair and
honest in that I thought what he did when he
when he never took the COVID vaccine and he blatantly
lied about it, I crushed him for it. It wasn't
because of his stance, it was because he was completely
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disingenuous about it. And then when he got called then
he made it about the media, not about himself, when
all he had to say was like, yeah, I lied,
my bad. Let's move on. But if we pointed out
the things about Aaron Rodgers, positively and negatively that have
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been said for years, I could make the case and
I will hear that last night was a perfect example
of how so many things that are said about Aaron
Rodgers are incredibly accurate, incredibly accurate. He is I think,
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the most talented guy who's ever done it and won
at a high level. He is still very athletic for
a forty year old quarterback, and yeah, I'm okay with
and I don't know if you guys are I'm okay
with couching with He's forty, Like, I don't expect Hm
to be Lamar Jackson, nor was he ever Lamar Jackson.
But in and out of the pocket, have that level
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of accuracy, he's amazing to have that kind of arm strength,
to have that ability to read a defense, to have
that sort of leadership sort of swag where you have
to have confidence sometimes bordinary arrogance. He has it, okay.
But all of the theatrics that we wanted to say
were at the end of his run in Green Bay,
and maybe it was about this, and maybe it was
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about that, and maybe it's about he didn't want to
beat there. They've all been on display, and they were
all on display last night. The bad body language, the
calling out teammates. Heck his offensive tackle when they had
that sort of miracle touchdown to take the lead. Was
it thirty one thirty late in the game when they
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had that, you know, one of his linemen and he celebrated.
He's doing a little Aaron Rodgers hop k kind of
tackled him, tried to give him a bear hug. Then
he wakes up when he jumps up, and he was
almost like, why am I forgetting? What's the sideline guy?
For the for Fox that does he does the sideline
Fox baseball And he gave Ken Rose like the Ken
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Rosenthal stare down. That's what he did to his lineman.
So the talent is it's not what it used to be,
but still there. The accuracy is still there. The snapping
of passes the laser and finding guys and throwing it
to windows and still moving it out of the pocket. It's
a forty year old version. It's not what it used
to be, but it's still You can see that guy
is an unbelievable quarterback, but he's still a blamer. His
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finger still points out never in he he doesn't seem
to be enjoying himself or just kind of at peace
and at ease, which is okay, Like I understand that,
Like I'm a crazy competitor too. But I'm telling you
what everyone says about him is, yeah, he's really talented,
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but he's really a well, like a pair that's a
desert cactus animal, only no lee, right, he can be
that p word. He just is And look I get it.
Like guys let you down. Guys run the wrong routes,
Guys will quit on routes. You're frustrated. But none of
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the other star quarterbacks seem to have the type of
persona that he has, and that's always distinguished him. Last night,
he led them on a game leading touchdown drive that
should not be under sold. Right. He did not get
the ball back. He did not have time to go down.
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I mean, I think they had seven seconds left in
the last kick kick off. That's not enough time. He
did throw a hail mary that was sixty five yards
in the air. He's still the best to throw in
the hail mary. He still has complete command and control
of the huddle. He still has enough of it for
them to win big. But I just I walked away
from that game with a lot of thoughts. But I
think the number one thought is the good and the bad,
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the spectacular and the disappoint the leadership, but also the
rough around the edges. That's just hard to love when
a teammate lets you down. I walked away last night
saying everything we've ever said that's ever been said about
Aaron Rodgers is true. Probably the most talented guy to
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ever played the position, right, when you factor in intelligence, accuracy,
arm strength, athleticism, success, Like, he just crazy, crazy talented,
but it's not all perfect. And when things don't go
his way, he can really really make people feel small,
and that's not always your job when you're quarterback Bayer,
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you've been the opposite, right you are You've never been
an Aaron Rodgers guy. You've never been a Packers guy.
On the other hand, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
All that is actually incorrect. It's two of the extreme.
So it's not that I've I'm not a Packers fan,
but I can't say I'm anti pass And I wasn't
always anti Aaron Rodgers. I just thought that he gets
a lot of the benefit of doubt as of late.
But I think I can appreciate his greatness.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Oh he is, uh, he is phenomenal. But am I
being unfair with my critique of him? And again, I
understand that this is watching from TV, this is watching
from thirty thousand feet, But that's how everybody else ingests
their Aaron Rodgers, right. We don't get to go to
the meetings, We aren't in the sideline conversations. So there's
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a way in which you have to you have to
give teammates feedback, and I just he just has that
way where it's hard. And I'm sure Flaco Flaco probably
lets guys have it. Flacco has probably had times in
which he's not the nicest, warmest, gentlest guy to be around.
But for whatever reason, there's something about Rogers that just
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makes you think, God, that guy gotta be miserable when
you make a mistake. And when he makes a mistake,
it just doesn't feel like hey, or he takes the
blame for other people. I just that's just not who
he appears to be. And again, I'm not telling you
it's all bad, right, he's if you, if you wrote
down a list of what it takes to be a
great quarterback in this or the previous era, he checks
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every box. But God, the body language, God, some of
the some of the way in which when he doesn't
like something, how it comes off, when he doesn't like
a play, or when he just he just has this
way about him to be like, well, that's got to be.
That's gotta be touch to be around.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The throng of the tablet in Carolina. I think is
years back when he was a member of the Packers.
That there's it's funny because I think that this happens
to quarterbacks over time. I don't remember Dan Marino younger
in his career and growing up in being that guy.
But boy, at the end of his career, it seemed
like he was yelling at everybody and it was. It
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was a fiery damn Marino. But maybe you get that
way because you've been around the game so long. I
give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't
think Rogers should have been tackled. I actually thought it
was a dumb play by his lineman.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I understand, no question, but there's so it was like
it was a it was a crazy play, right, like
it's a crossing route, and then the Bengals look like
the Bengals, right, they'd like tackle each other and all
of a sudden because anybody who'd be critical of it
did feel like they let him score. That's how comical
the defense was there from the Bengals. You're like, wait,
there's like two minutes two and a half minutes to go.
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There are they letting them to score? This is so weird.
It was the Keystone Cops or the Benny Hill Benny
Hill theme music, right or whatever. The modern day version
of those are That's what it was, and he's you know,
he's chomping up in the air and he's doing that
the Aaron Rodgers hop, which is I mean, listen, it's
a signature move, and you know, you got a big
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three hundred whatever pound lineman. The dude just kind of
bear hugs him and tackles him and then I'm sure
he's my bad, but the the he still stared right
through him. And it wasn't the only time. There were
other times in the game where you just he's looking
at people. You're like, dude, and they're depleted. They don't
have all the wide receivers that they need to have
or whatever. But you're going against the Bengals, who are
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they're crushed by injuries too. I just all the Aaron
Rodgers stuff was on display last night. A weird interception
where he threw it in a triple coverage what was that?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's done that before? Did it in a playoff game
against totally the forty nine ers. Yeah, that throw is
not foreign to Rogers.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying everything the full
Aaron Rodgers experience. You even had the hail Mary granted
it wasn't completed or whatever, but the full Aaron Rodgers
experience was on display last night. I also want to
point this out, I am not a prone to hyperbole guy.
In my lifetime, in our lifetime, Dan, in our lifetime,
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Jason Stewart. There are very few arguments you can make
that everyone agrees with. Right. Like my son and I
we're having dinner last night and he goes, Dad, I
don't know, Lebron might be the goat, and I'm like, look, dude,
I just tell you I don't think that, But you're
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allowed to have that opinion, right, Like, it's not a
crazy opinion to say a guy that's been this good
for that. Like, there's lots of debates in my lifetime.
The best outside linebacker, the best pass rusher we've ever seen,
regardless of straight hands, great year or other people's success,
is Lawrence Taylor. Right in safeties, there's Ronnie Lott, ned
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Reid quarterbacks, great discussion because it was Montana for a
long time, and then a lot of people said Peyton
even when Peyton retired, but Brady just kept winning, so
then it became Brady. And my argument with Brady was
always well, he's the most successful ever. I'm not sure
he's the best ever. There's lots of debates out there.
There's never been a debate about a wide receiver because
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everyone's always said, hey, t O is unbelievable, but he's
not Jerry Rice like you go through. I'm call me crazy,
but Jamar Chase is so much better than others at
his position, and there's a lot of talent at his Now. Look,
he dropped one that hit him in one hand. Here.
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He's not the He's not going to catch every ball,
but I think ye had what sixteen receptions something crazy
last night. I'm beginning to be able to make the
case that Jamar Chase is the best I've ever seen
to it. And I you know, he's on the Bengals,
so that's going to give people pause. They've been to
one Super Bowl. Who knows the Bengals ever get to
another another. But I I dan you the fantasy football
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You do a fantasy football podcast, right, Is there anybody
in the stratosphere of Jamar Chase in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, not at the wide receiver position, not for fantasy purposes, And.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
We haven't we haven't had that. Like there's always been
a guy who we could say maybe is the best
in the game, but there's always been a couple that
are right there, especially now because teams throw it so
much in high school, throw it so much in college,
there's a dearth of really good wide receivers. He he
has separated himself from everybody else so much so that
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I think the T. Higgins touchdown was Jamar Chase. Like
literally three guys running Jamar Chase and T. Higgins is like,
there's no safety over the top on a skinny post
and he walks in for the touchdown. You're like, what
was that? It's amazing. So those are my two takeaways
from last night. Here's Zach Taylor, head coach of the victorious,
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surprisingly victorious Cincinnati Bengals, talking about Flacco's performance and how
special Jamar Chase is.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Outstanding, outstanding, outstanding, Yeah, Joe, I mean it was outstanding. Really,
I mean we're we're I mean, how many drive we
scored on what like six of the last seven drives,
maybe seven and last eight, seven of eight, Okay, so
and really early on we had some some drops and
some quirky stuff happened that prevented a score there. So
I just thought his performance outstanding, very very calm, collected.
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Let us in a two minute drive to go win
the game with a huge go ball to t get.
There's guys a chance to go make some plays and
impressed this performance. I thought our offensive line played outstanding.
He comes up so big in those moments, and he's
so hard to bring down. So it's not even the catches.
Sometimes it's the yards after the catch. So every time
he gets the ball in my hands, it energizes the
whole stadium because everybody thinks he's about to score. And
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just to I thought, all those guys stepped up you asked,
got Jamar and a franchise record. Sixteen catches in a
game of this magnitude is spectacular.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, it was. It was something. We got some Mike
Tomlin to get to. We got some we got some
Joe Flacco to get to. We got to react to it.
We'll talk about it as goes on, but it was.
That was a fun football game. And in the in
the if you were stacking in order what you expected
to be the best watches last night, my expectation was
Thursday night football is generally the hardest watch. It's generally
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kind of clunky, and it was generally the probably the
third most exciting. I thought the Blue Jays were two.
I thought the Dodgers brewers. I just it wasn't a
other than visually or if you're a Dodger fan. I
thought that was three, and that was backwards of what
my assumption was in terms of watchability last night. Give
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It's The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday
during the show, yesterday, during the show, we had breaking news.
Dan Byer always breaks in with the news like this
show's I was texting the guys last night, and it's
not just part of it's because our show. I just
think we do a really good job guys, I don't
think other people cover baseball as well as we do,
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or other stories or breaking news that the conversations we have.
I really like where we're going with things, and you know,
we'll put the breaks on and Dan Buyer breaking with
breaking news. We have breaking news at Kirksinetti, who's the
head coach of Indiana, got an incredible deal, an extension
where it's gonna pay him eleven point eight million dollars
on average per year. I'll tell you why it actually
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makes sense even though he's massively, massively overpaid. They're all overpaid, right,
like lots of CEOs are overpaid. Whatever. I'll make it
make sense to you. Upcoming a little bit. But I
want to get to Mark Dominick, who's the former gail
manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He spending his entire professional
career in the National Football League and he joins US
now first weekly visit here on a Friday in the
Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's your biggest
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take away from Thursday Night Football where the Bengals beat
the Steelers at home?
Speaker 5 (18:05):
My biggest takeaway is when you're in the division and
a division rival and you trade a quarterback, you've ruined
the division and you've ruined your franchise. And I think
the Cleveland Browns did an injustice, even though they're trying
to get their own picks and their situation together. You
just don't trade Joe Flacca within the division. And suddenly
now the Bengals have a chance to be back in
this and maybe when Joe Burrow comes back even better plans.
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It shows you how good of an organization talent wise,
the Bengals have over the Cleveland Browns as well.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
You know what, I'm really glad you pointed that out.
I want to get to the Bengals in a second,
because the Bengals get this reputation of being cheap, and
I'm sure there are times in which they have been cheap,
but I kind of think it's unfair with how much
money they've handed out to players. But let's go with
the Browns. My line when they traded him, I think
you'll love this mark is for any other team, it's crazy,
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but it's not because it's the Browns. Right, Like the
Browns done, there was no reason for them to give
Deshaun Watson a five year no cut guaranteed contract. There
was no reason for them to take two quarterbacks, two
rookie quarterbacks this year. There's there's no reason for a
lot of these things except they're the Browns. If not
for organizations that are run that way, we wouldn't be
able to say other organizations were run well, because that
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one seems to be run poorly. But this is like
Mike Tomlin was right. And by the way, Jay Stu,
I think you texted us last night, Mike Tomlin was right.
You can't do that. They they they made the division
way more competitive than it needed to be by taking
it wasn't anybody their quarterback and handing them to the
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Bengals who were desperately in need of quarterback, and you
got one that's won a Super Bowl and still pretty
pretty solid.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, especially what we saw last night. And I agree,
it's just to Cleveland Brown continuing to make blunder after blunder,
and it's it's easy to pile on, right. We can
all sit there and you know, I made mistakes two
when I was a general manager. But the reality is
to learn from them, and it doesn't feel like the
Cleveland Brown's front office is learning from mistakes they've made
and then they continue to spin it out of control.
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And it just when Joe Flacco goes to another organization
and lights up the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, which is a
good defense, not as to the same level as maybe
some of the other previous Dealers defenses, obviously we know,
but he goes and lights it up. It shows you
that there's something really wrong. And it's not the offensive
line in Cleveland that's actually probably their strength, specifically inside.
So I just think that it just speaks badly about
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the overall structure of where the Cleveland Browns sit today
and just the decisions they've made. And you got to
give credit to the Bengals and taking advantage of the
situation and not being afraid to pick up the call
and make this trade.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Did you ever did you ever used to read the
Sporting News? Remember? Remember those Sporting News three? Do you
remember the Fly? The little column that the fly and
the Fly used to have a line that says, didn't
you used to be right? And it was when you
were no longer what you know? It's like, you watched
the Bengals last night and they're forming well despite the
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and protecting a quarterback that we didn't think they could protect.
Didn't she used to be the sincet of Baglas, I
would say, didn't. She used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
He had all day to throw. They couldn't stop the run.
It's not like the Bengals have some vaunted rushing game.
Couldn't stop the run and couldn't stop the pass. Didn't
she used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers. What happened to
their defense?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I think it's the secondary. It's something that's home that
I think the Steelers since the beginning, right, they can
never quite get the cornerbacks in there that can be
consistent at the high level. Yes, they've tried to make
some move to be able to improve that, obviously, but
still I think it's just that secondary continues to try
to find itself. And I think when they traded away
Mike A. Fitspatrick again, I think that hurt them. But
at the same point, this has been a problem they've
been dealing with for years, and yeah, they used to
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be the Steelers. I just thought there upfront would be
stronger than it was or it was last night. That's
the one thing that was surprising to me is I
thought they'd get after the quarterback more and in more sacks,
more opportunities like that, but they didn't do it. So yeah,
I agree. The Steelers are just always good and that's
a frustrating thing, even though you would take it if
you were the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader.
That's Mark Dominic He's he's our guest. Okay, what do
you do when you're the Jets and you got a
first year quarter first year head coach, and you know,
you start to hear Aaron Rodgers' story and you're like,
it might actually make sense when you look at how
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he's handling things. It's not going well in New York. Now, look,
I don't think you can win with Justin Fields anyway.
But it's not about winning or losing with Justin Fields.
It's about it's like he's trying to be Dan Campbell.
He's not Dan Campbell and he just is missing. What
do you do if you're the Jets?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Well, I mean I think you're just worried. I think
if I'm coach Glen or if I'm the gentlemanager there,
I'm telling coach going, Look, we realize the season is
going to be harsh. I understand you've got to create
your culture and continue to stay by it no matter what.
So as you get more and more young guys into
the building, their understanding the expectations of what we're trying
to build here, understanding that twenty twenty five isn't going
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to be that year. And I know that you want
to win right away. But I would give him the
confidence say hey, look we're going to go through this together.
We're going to make this work, and not scare him
ount of like not being who he wants to be
and just worried about the next victory. Because I do
think with the Jets they're going to be in position
to take a quarterback and I think they will just
to off season, and I think that's going to be
a big meat move for them, because I still think
Aaron Glenn as a leader is a good one, and
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I just know that the Jets just as a roster
is not a good one.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
What has Drake made done to evolve the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I think he made great decisions right with the football.
I think that's the thing. The processing seems to go
very well for Drake. May I think He's doing a
great job of getting back and knowing where he's supposed
to go with the ball and getting out of his
hands as quickly as he can to not sit there
and then force the turnover. And so I think that's
the thing with Drake made this the most impressive is
that I think his processing has really sped up, and
that's created a guy that's you know, but again, here's
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a guy that's outperforming. I think the talent around him
which is a great deal for a quarterback and should
make for a very fun offseason for the New England
Patriots to continue to add weapons for him.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know, I was thinking the other day, I was
interesting to think about you and some of our discussions.
Smart Dominik's our guest, he's joined us for years, is
awesome former gentlem Managery Tampay Buccaneers. And sometimes we get
off on roads and anybody can look at Donald and
Baker and go like they were both on the same
team with the Carolina Panthers, and the Panthers wanted to
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keep neither of them. How has this happened? But how
has this happened? And you know, to me, so much
of it's about confidence. You know, both of those guys
at their first spot, everybody lost confidence to them. They
lost confidence to themselves, didn't have a great surrounding cast
or whatever. As a guy who's been through it, now,
Donald looks like he's he's a legit. I don't know,
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top fifteen quarterback right, Probably not what he's build coming
out of SC but solid. Nobody's calling the question the
contract he got. Right now, Baker is in conversation to
be MVP of the league, and I get that. You know,
some of it was him and playing hurt and you know,
the dysfunctional Browns organization and OBJ and that's why he's
not there anymore. But Carolina had him both. How does
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this happen? How do you go from two guys get
cut become two stars in the same position in the
same league a couple years later.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Well, I truly think, because both those guys all come
from McVeigh shin had trees at part of their career.
In terms of Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, that that's
the difference because those those systems help a quarterback learn
how to move. Why are we doing the play? Why
are we getting the ball out quickly? Here's the design,
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here's what we're going to check to. They're just want
I mean, we see guys in and out coming out
of those systems being productive, and they both had time
to be in that system. The problem with Carolina is
they're still just trying to figure out, you know, obviously
with the number one pick and what happened there, but
it's a different type of system been going through. And
I if I've got a young if I was an agent,
or if I was a young quarterback in the Nation
Football League, if there's any way I could spend a
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year or two, even if it's a number three in
San Francisco or the Rams, I want to be there
or Minnesota. Quite frankly, because O'Connell's bringing that same mindset
to his organization as well. I just think it's the
right place to be. We'll see what happened with JJ McCarthy.
I don't think it's it's not been what I expected
it to be, but I still think there's a lot
of upside there too, because of his character and his demeanor.
But I think that's the reason why I think Baker
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Mayfield they regained their confidence in the system. That went
back to why were they such high picks in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Great point. Okay, JJ McCarthy, what are your thoughts so far?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I've been very disappointed. I mean, I feel like, you know,
he's played one good quarter, maybe two, and I really
thought we'd see a guy that would take a big
step this year. But yeah, and you got to remind
yourself that really this is his rookie season because of
what happened last year. But I want to feel like
each week we need to start building. If we continue
as flatline, that's a very big concern because I know, no,
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mentally he can handle it, and no, characteristically he can lead.
So now it's just can he processing? Can he make
the good decisions? He's not been doing that, and so
now we've just got to wait to see. I still believe.
So I'm not going to write JJ mcrossey out by
any chance. If I'm a Vikings fan, Yeah, I'm a
little disappointed, but not be frustrated yet, because you've got
to realize he's got six games, five games under his
belt and his NFL career, that's not enough to go
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on yet.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Mark Dominks our guest here on the Doug Gottleib Show
on Fox Sports Radio what's changed with the Kansatate Chiefs
that's allowed them to seemingly turn around their season.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Well, it feels like they're tackling very well. I think
their cornerbacks are playing well, like Jalen Watson's a guy
that's in his fourth year that has really come back
this year and played well like he is in a
contract year, which he is. I think that's been a
big part of it, just that having him out there
in the way he's performing takes some pressure off. And
then offensively, they keep getting little pieces back offensively that
they need to have in terms of weapons, and I
think that that's been important. And I think the tackles
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have probably I mean, the interior guys are playing very well.
Tackles have played a little better, and they've been trying
to help them out a little bit more so. I
think they're being very smart about the protection for Patrick.
And then Patrick's back to looking like Patrick Mahomes from
you know, last two years ago, three years ago, whatever
it was. He's just he's threatened the ball and it's
not because of Travis Kelcey. It's it's because he's you know,
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spreading the ball all around to everybody and I think
that's the big difference.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Mark Eagles. Eagles, it just seems combustible. They don't seem
as good as they were a j. Brown. You know,
two games ago they tried to force it to him.
His attitude's not great. You know, Jalen Hurts does have
some limitations. You know, he does everything except for really
throw the football crazy. Well, what's your perspective in the
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likelihood that they turn this thing around.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I think they can turn it around. I think the
offensive line's still playing very well. I think they just
need to feed the ball to sake one even more
than they are and whether that's in the passing game
and short throws. But it's time to just pound with
Sakon and see what a game looks like with twenty
six carries and six catches. And I know it's a
lot to ask for any running back, but I think
that's what they got to get back to the grassroots
of why they got to the Super Bowl and won
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it last year, and that was on the back of
Saquon Barkley. It wasn't Jalen Hurts throwing the ball over
the field. And the other part is that they're just
not getting to the quarterback in terms of sacks or pressure.
They've got to get Jalen Carter on the field and healthy.
And if they can get to that point, those two pieces,
to me, Saquon Barkley and Jalen Carter are really the
keys of them getting back on track.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Mark Uh, Look, it should be a great football weekend.
Love talking ball with you, especially after last night. I
got me jacked. I did not expect that to be
a good game, and then it was. It was a fun,
great atmosphere, good football game. Disappointing end for the Steelers,
still fun. Thanks so much for being our guests. Enjoy
the weekend. We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
He's the best.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
That's Doug Got the Show Fox Sports Radio. I have
a congruent take at the top of the hour on
why the Brewers have been so outclassed by the Dodgers.
Congruent take as the Dodgers just I mean that even
that hadn't even been interested. I know. Suzaki came in
got the closed last night. His stuff is so filthy.
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How do you hit that? That's like a real question.
When you have himI Yamamoto, they have that split finger
that just falls off the table. How does any human
being hit that? I don't know. You know, the late
Timmy of the sorta, he used to always say, I go,
people say they're hitting a golf ball's artist thing? You
kidding me? Ninety seven mile an hour fastball coming in
at your eye right like? How He's right? How do
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you hit that? I have no idea how you hit
that stuff? We get some baseball top of the hour.
Before we get to that, though, Let's get to our
guy Dan Byer for a game.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Danny what he got up all right?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
The game today is I got this all right? To
throw out a topic and we all jump in with
what we want as ours. The first topic. Worst game
of the week seven schedule in the NFL three to
one go, it's gotta be Panthers Jets right like it
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truly does win this Jets team, a Panthers team that's
middle of the road right now according to the record.
But I don't know if anybody thinks they're actually a
middle of the road team. Give me Panthers and Jets
in Jersey on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I'll take got DIBs on. I got DIBs on Dolphins
and Browns.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh that's a stinker.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Browns have amazing defense at home, so it's probably gonna
be a three to two final.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The weather could have win gusts anywhere from.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Forty y quarterback. What could go wrong?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Right?
Speaker 7 (32:00):
I got DIBs on Saints at Bears only because you know,
everyone wants to ce Caleb Williams and continue to evolve,
But Saints at Bears just does not get don't get
my blood pumping very much. We're picking worst here, just
by the way. Worst, yes, worst, No blood pumping anything
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for you, Doug, all right, moving on, we may have lost, Doug,
all right, Yes, let's do uh. Next topic, Most exciting
play in baseball, Most exciting play in baseball three to
one go.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I got dips, I got worst game in baseball, I
got DIBs.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Worst play in baseball, Jason Dibbs our best play in baseball? Gosh. Now,
most exciting play in baseball when a when.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
A fast runner above average runner hits one of the
gap for a triple especially if you're there in person.
The best play in baseball triple.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I got DIBs on triple play. You thought I was
just gonna copycat mimic Jason, play like, oh, five four three?
How about that? Runners on first and second, nobody out
here in the bottom of the second I mean grand
ball down the third base line.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I want to make sure I don't triple ply the
inning is over.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
That a little too loud, Sam, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
No, that was pretty good. The pretty good pacing too, Dan, Dan.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Let me.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I just want to make sure I get the game right.
So it has to be like a live action play.
I can't say, like, you know, closer on the mound,
bases loaded, two strikes, bottom of the ninth inning, full count.
It has to be an actual play in the field.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, if you want to say, uh, if that's your.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Play at the plate, play at the plate would be
my okay. Now, play at the plate especially, I think
tagging up, because there's a build up when it's tagging up,
like is it far enough? Is it not far enough?
Like the guy holding his tag you And then now
obviously with the you can't block the plate, so there's
a certain kind of art to it. Where they kind
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of block the plate without trying to block the plate.
Play at the plate.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Has anybody had DIBs on just like inside the park
home run?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
No, I'll take that. No, there's only four of us,
so unless somebody randomly came in maybe when I was
was was the call so bad? Sam? Is that why
you covered your ears? Or is it just no?
Speaker 7 (34:31):
It was just you and Doug kind of both, you know.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Play the Stu Correll drop.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
All right, moving on, I have I have.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Can I can I just add sort of one more.
It's not like I know it's it's a game or whatever.
I think there's a break between when a guy looks
like on strike three but he may or may not
have gone, and they point to first or the third
base umpire. That that that half second between when they
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ring them up or when they do safe. That that's
one of the great moments in sports because you're like, oh,
he went, he went, he went, and then they point
down the line and then all of a sudden the
camera changes and they'll go like ring them up. That
pause is incredibly exciting.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
The appeal, the appeal, the appeal, That's what I'm sorry,
all right, guys, last topic, do you want to do
NBA MVP because the season starts on Tuesday, or do
you want to do old guys old guys, old guys, sorry,
old guys dead or alive?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Like this guy? Who was it who you killed off yesterday?
Jas Oh Dave Stewart that he's like the late great
Dave Stewart. I was like, Oh, I just saw him
in August. Did something happen?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
All right? Three to one go?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
I got he was on Dick van Dyke, who is
ninety nine years old. He'll be turning one hundred in December.
Long live Dick Van Dyke.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I got DIBs on Bob Barker, And even though he's passed,
he was he was always my favorite old guy.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Favorite guy. Coach from Cheers. I love coach Coach.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, Coach from Cheers. Old when he started the show,
and then he died while the show was still going.
I think he's always old.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Jason.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I think Quinn Easwood could kick my ass. I got
DIBs on eighty eight or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
No, he's like, and that's game time.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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a football Friday, nonetheless, and we are so happy to
have you. Dan Byer alongside. He got my band Sam
Kinsel alongside. Of course, you have the one and only
Jason Stewart alongside. At some point we're going to get
(00:47):
into Jason's desire to have some radio shows stop making
predictions because they're sure to go wrong. We'll get into that.
We got a great show for you, including we'll have
a discussion on Kirk Signetti and the eleven point eight
million dollars per year that he's gonna receive from Indiana
that was announced yesterday during our show. So we got
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a lot to get to. I want to start with
last night's Thursday night football game. If that's okay, I'm
not trying to diminish the Dodgers victory over the Brewers.
But it just hasn't been a competitive series. But I
have something on that for you, and it really does
play into my Clayton Kershaw take from last week. You're
like recycling takes like no, I like, here's what I like.
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I like congruent takes, like congruent takes. Does that make
sense to you? Guys like like Danny, does that make sense?
A congruent tape meaning a take in one thing has
to fit a take in the other. I it frustrates
me when some guys will make one take, you know,
like hey, you got to hire an offensive mind, and
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then two weeks later they're like, why'd you hire an
offensive coordinator to be your kid? Hire a head coach,
it doesn't matter about his background. I like congruente if
you have a take, and again, you're allowed to change
your mind as well. It's one of the things we
try and do try to keep it real for you,
is sometimes we go like, hey, you know, I look
at this now, a week later, six weeks later, a
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month later, six months later, and I have a different
perception of it now than I did then. I do
like congruent takes, and my take on Clayton Kershaw is
much like my take on the Milwaukee Brewers. We'll get
to that later in the show, but let's start with this.
I have been the most staunch defender of Aaron Rodgers
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I think, on network radio, and I'm also fair and
honest in that I thought what he did when he
when he never took the COVID vaccine and he blatantly
lied about it, I crushed him for it. It wasn't
because of his stance, it was because he was completely
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disingenuous about it. And then when he got called then
he made it about the media, not about himself, when
all he had to say was like, yeah, I lied,
my bad. Let's move on. But if we pointed out
the things about Aaron Rodgers, positively and negatively that have
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been said for years, I could make the case and
I will hear that last night was a perfect example
of how so many things that are said about Aaron
Rodgers are incredibly accurate, incredibly accurate. He is I think,
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the most talented guy who's ever done it and won
at a high level. He is still very athletic for
a forty year old quarterback, and yeah, I'm okay with
and I don't know if you guys are I'm okay
with couching with He's forty, Like, I don't expect Hm
to be Lamar Jackson, nor was he ever Lamar Jackson.
But in and out of the pocket, have that level
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of accuracy, he's amazing to have that kind of arm strength,
to have that ability to read a defense, to have
that sort of leadership sort of swag where you have
to have confidence sometimes bordinary arrogance. He has it, okay.
But all of the theatrics that we wanted to say
were at the end of his run in Green Bay,
and maybe it was about this, and maybe it was
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about that, and maybe it's about he didn't want to
beat there. They've all been on display, and they were
all on display last night. The bad body language, the
calling out teammates. Heck his offensive tackle when they had
that sort of miracle touchdown to take the lead. Was
it thirty one thirty late in the game when they
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had that, you know, one of his linemen and he celebrated.
He's doing a little Aaron Rodgers hop k kind of
tackled him, tried to give him a bear hug. Then
he wakes up when he jumps up, and he was
almost like, why am I forgetting? What's the sideline guy?
For the for Fox that does he does the sideline
Fox baseball And he gave Ken Rose like the Ken
(05:04):
Rosenthal stare down. That's what he did to his lineman.
So the talent is it's not what it used to be,
but still there. The accuracy is still there. The snapping
of passes the laser and finding guys and throwing it
to windows and still moving it out of the pocket. It's
a forty year old version. It's not what it used
to be, but it's still You can see that guy
is an unbelievable quarterback, but he's still a blamer. His
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finger still points out never in he he doesn't seem
to be enjoying himself or just kind of at peace
and at ease, which is okay, Like I understand that,
Like I'm a crazy competitor too. But I'm telling you
what everyone says about him is, yeah, he's really talented,
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but he's really a well, like a pair that's a
desert cactus animal, only no lee, right, he can be
that p word. He just is And look I get it.
Like guys let you down. Guys run the wrong routes,
Guys will quit on routes. You're frustrated. But none of
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the other star quarterbacks seem to have the type of
persona that he has, and that's always distinguished him. Last night,
he led them on a game leading touchdown drive that
should not be under sold. Right. He did not get
the ball back. He did not have time to go down.
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I mean, I think they had seven seconds left in
the last kick kick off. That's not enough time. He
did throw a hail mary that was sixty five yards
in the air. He's still the best to throw in
the hail mary. He still has complete command and control
of the huddle. He still has enough of it for
them to win big. But I just I walked away
from that game with a lot of thoughts. But I
think the number one thought is the good and the bad,
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the spectacular and the disappoint the leadership, but also the
rough around the edges. That's just hard to love when
a teammate lets you down. I walked away last night
saying everything we've ever said that's ever been said about
Aaron Rodgers is true. Probably the most talented guy to
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ever played the position, right, when you factor in intelligence, accuracy,
arm strength, athleticism, success, Like, he just crazy, crazy talented,
but it's not all perfect. And when things don't go
his way, he can really really make people feel small,
and that's not always your job when you're quarterback Bayer,
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you've been the opposite, right you are You've never been
an Aaron Rodgers guy. You've never been a Packers guy.
On the other hand, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
All that is actually incorrect. It's two of the extreme.
So it's not that I've I'm not a Packers fan,
but I can't say I'm anti pass And I wasn't
always anti Aaron Rodgers. I just thought that he gets
a lot of the benefit of doubt as of late.
But I think I can appreciate his greatness.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Oh he is, uh, he is phenomenal. But am I
being unfair with my critique of him? And again, I
understand that this is watching from TV, this is watching
from thirty thousand feet, But that's how everybody else ingests
their Aaron Rodgers, right. We don't get to go to
the meetings, We aren't in the sideline conversations. So there's
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a way in which you have to you have to
give teammates feedback, and I just he just has that
way where it's hard. And I'm sure Flaco Flaco probably
lets guys have it. Flacco has probably had times in
which he's not the nicest, warmest, gentlest guy to be around.
But for whatever reason, there's something about Rogers that just
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makes you think, God, that guy gotta be miserable when
you make a mistake. And when he makes a mistake,
it just doesn't feel like hey, or he takes the
blame for other people. I just that's just not who
he appears to be. And again, I'm not telling you
it's all bad, right, he's if you, if you wrote
down a list of what it takes to be a
great quarterback in this or the previous era, he checks
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every box. But God, the body language, God, some of
the some of the way in which when he doesn't
like something, how it comes off, when he doesn't like
a play, or when he just he just has this
way about him to be like, well, that's got to be.
That's gotta be touch to be around.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The throng of the tablet in Carolina. I think is
years back when he was a member of the Packers.
That there's it's funny because I think that this happens
to quarterbacks over time. I don't remember Dan Marino younger
in his career and growing up in being that guy.
But boy, at the end of his career, it seemed
like he was yelling at everybody and it was. It
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was a fiery damn Marino. But maybe you get that
way because you've been around the game so long. I
give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't
think Rogers should have been tackled. I actually thought it
was a dumb play by his lineman.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I understand, no question, but there's so it was like
it was a it was a crazy play, right, like
it's a crossing route, and then the Bengals look like
the Bengals, right, they'd like tackle each other and all
of a sudden because anybody who'd be critical of it
did feel like they let him score. That's how comical
the defense was there from the Bengals. You're like, wait,
there's like two minutes two and a half minutes to go.
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There are they letting them to score? This is so weird.
It was the Keystone Cops or the Benny Hill Benny
Hill theme music, right or whatever. The modern day version
of those are That's what it was, and he's you know,
he's chomping up in the air and he's doing that
the Aaron Rodgers hop, which is I mean, listen, it's
a signature move, and you know, you got a big
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three hundred whatever pound lineman. The dude just kind of
bear hugs him and tackles him and then I'm sure
he's my bad, but the the he still stared right
through him. And it wasn't the only time. There were
other times in the game where you just he's looking
at people. You're like, dude, and they're depleted. They don't
have all the wide receivers that they need to have
or whatever. But you're going against the Bengals, who are
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they're crushed by injuries too. I just all the Aaron
Rodgers stuff was on display last night. A weird interception
where he threw it in a triple coverage what was that?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's done that before? Did it in a playoff game
against totally the forty nine ers. Yeah, that throw is
not foreign to Rogers.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying everything the full
Aaron Rodgers experience. You even had the hail Mary granted
it wasn't completed or whatever, but the full Aaron Rodgers
experience was on display last night. I also want to
point this out, I am not a prone to hyperbole guy.
In my lifetime, in our lifetime, Dan, in our lifetime,
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Jason Stewart. There are very few arguments you can make
that everyone agrees with. Right. Like my son and I
we're having dinner last night and he goes, Dad, I
don't know, Lebron might be the goat, and I'm like, look, dude,
I just tell you I don't think that, But you're
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allowed to have that opinion, right, Like, it's not a
crazy opinion to say a guy that's been this good
for that. Like, there's lots of debates in my lifetime.
The best outside linebacker, the best pass rusher we've ever seen,
regardless of straight hands, great year or other people's success,
is Lawrence Taylor. Right in safeties, there's Ronnie Lott, ned
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Reid quarterbacks, great discussion because it was Montana for a
long time, and then a lot of people said Peyton
even when Peyton retired, but Brady just kept winning, so
then it became Brady. And my argument with Brady was
always well, he's the most successful ever. I'm not sure
he's the best ever. There's lots of debates out there.
There's never been a debate about a wide receiver because
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everyone's always said, hey, t O is unbelievable, but he's
not Jerry Rice like you go through. I'm call me crazy,
but Jamar Chase is so much better than others at
his position, and there's a lot of talent at his Now. Look,
he dropped one that hit him in one hand. Here.
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He's not the He's not going to catch every ball,
but I think ye had what sixteen receptions something crazy
last night. I'm beginning to be able to make the
case that Jamar Chase is the best I've ever seen
to it. And I you know, he's on the Bengals,
so that's going to give people pause. They've been to
one Super Bowl. Who knows the Bengals ever get to
another another. But I I dan you the fantasy football
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You do a fantasy football podcast, right, Is there anybody
in the stratosphere of Jamar Chase in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, not at the wide receiver position, not for fantasy purposes, And.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
We haven't we haven't had that. Like there's always been
a guy who we could say maybe is the best
in the game, but there's always been a couple that
are right there, especially now because teams throw it so
much in high school, throw it so much in college,
there's a dearth of really good wide receivers. He he
has separated himself from everybody else so much so that
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I think the T. Higgins touchdown was Jamar Chase. Like
literally three guys running Jamar Chase and T. Higgins is like,
there's no safety over the top on a skinny post
and he walks in for the touchdown. You're like, what
was that? It's amazing. So those are my two takeaways
from last night. Here's Zach Taylor, head coach of the victorious,
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surprisingly victorious Cincinnati Bengals, talking about Flacco's performance and how
special Jamar Chase is.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Outstanding, outstanding, outstanding, Yeah, Joe, I mean it was outstanding. Really,
I mean we're we're I mean, how many drive we
scored on what like six of the last seven drives,
maybe seven and last eight, seven of eight, Okay, so
and really early on we had some some drops and
some quirky stuff happened that prevented a score there. So
I just thought his performance outstanding, very very calm, collected.
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Let us in a two minute drive to go win
the game with a huge go ball to t get.
There's guys a chance to go make some plays and
impressed this performance. I thought our offensive line played outstanding.
He comes up so big in those moments, and he's
so hard to bring down. So it's not even the catches.
Sometimes it's the yards after the catch. So every time
he gets the ball in my hands, it energizes the
whole stadium because everybody thinks he's about to score. And
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just to I thought, all those guys stepped up you asked,
got Jamar and a franchise record. Sixteen catches in a
game of this magnitude is spectacular.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, it was. It was something. We got some Mike
Tomlin to get to. We got some we got some
Joe Flacco to get to. We got to react to it.
We'll talk about it as goes on, but it was.
That was a fun football game. And in the in
the if you were stacking in order what you expected
to be the best watches last night, my expectation was
Thursday night football is generally the hardest watch. It's generally
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kind of clunky, and it was generally the probably the
third most exciting. I thought the Blue Jays were two.
I thought the Dodgers brewers. I just it wasn't a
other than visually or if you're a Dodger fan. I
thought that was three, and that was backwards of what
my assumption was in terms of watchability last night. Give
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Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday
during the show, yesterday, during the show, we had breaking news.
Dan Byer always breaks in with the news like this
show's I was texting the guys last night, and it's
not just part of it's because our show. I just
think we do a really good job guys, I don't
think other people cover baseball as well as we do,
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or other stories or breaking news that the conversations we have.
I really like where we're going with things, and you know,
we'll put the breaks on and Dan Buyer breaking with
breaking news. We have breaking news at Kirksinetti, who's the
head coach of Indiana, got an incredible deal, an extension
where it's gonna pay him eleven point eight million dollars
on average per year. I'll tell you why it actually
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makes sense even though he's massively, massively overpaid. They're all overpaid, right,
like lots of CEOs are overpaid. Whatever. I'll make it
make sense to you. Upcoming a little bit. But I
want to get to Mark Dominick, who's the former gail
manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He spending his entire professional
career in the National Football League and he joins US
now first weekly visit here on a Friday in the
Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's your biggest
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take away from Thursday Night Football where the Bengals beat
the Steelers at home?
Speaker 5 (18:05):
My biggest takeaway is when you're in the division and
a division rival and you trade a quarterback, you've ruined
the division and you've ruined your franchise. And I think
the Cleveland Browns did an injustice, even though they're trying
to get their own picks and their situation together. You
just don't trade Joe Flacca within the division. And suddenly
now the Bengals have a chance to be back in
this and maybe when Joe Burrow comes back even better plans.
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It shows you how good of an organization talent wise,
the Bengals have over the Cleveland Browns as well.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
You know what, I'm really glad you pointed that out.
I want to get to the Bengals in a second,
because the Bengals get this reputation of being cheap, and
I'm sure there are times in which they have been cheap,
but I kind of think it's unfair with how much
money they've handed out to players. But let's go with
the Browns. My line when they traded him, I think
you'll love this mark is for any other team, it's crazy,
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but it's not because it's the Browns. Right, Like the
Browns done, there was no reason for them to give
Deshaun Watson a five year no cut guaranteed contract. There
was no reason for them to take two quarterbacks, two
rookie quarterbacks this year. There's there's no reason for a
lot of these things except they're the Browns. If not
for organizations that are run that way, we wouldn't be
able to say other organizations were run well, because that
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one seems to be run poorly. But this is like
Mike Tomlin was right. And by the way, Jay Stu,
I think you texted us last night, Mike Tomlin was right.
You can't do that. They they they made the division
way more competitive than it needed to be by taking
it wasn't anybody their quarterback and handing them to the
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Bengals who were desperately in need of quarterback, and you
got one that's won a Super Bowl and still pretty
pretty solid.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, especially what we saw last night. And I agree,
it's just to Cleveland Brown continuing to make blunder after blunder,
and it's it's easy to pile on, right. We can
all sit there and you know, I made mistakes two
when I was a general manager. But the reality is
to learn from them, and it doesn't feel like the
Cleveland Brown's front office is learning from mistakes they've made
and then they continue to spin it out of control.
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And it just when Joe Flacco goes to another organization
and lights up the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, which is a
good defense, not as to the same level as maybe
some of the other previous Dealers defenses, obviously we know,
but he goes and lights it up. It shows you
that there's something really wrong. And it's not the offensive
line in Cleveland that's actually probably their strength, specifically inside.
So I just think that it just speaks badly about
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the overall structure of where the Cleveland Browns sit today
and just the decisions they've made. And you got to
give credit to the Bengals and taking advantage of the
situation and not being afraid to pick up the call
and make this trade.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Did you ever did you ever used to read the
Sporting News? Remember? Remember those Sporting News three? Do you
remember the Fly? The little column that the fly and
the Fly used to have a line that says, didn't
you used to be right? And it was when you
were no longer what you know? It's like, you watched
the Bengals last night and they're forming well despite the
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and protecting a quarterback that we didn't think they could protect.
Didn't she used to be the sincet of Baglas, I
would say, didn't. She used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
He had all day to throw. They couldn't stop the run.
It's not like the Bengals have some vaunted rushing game.
Couldn't stop the run and couldn't stop the pass. Didn't
she used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers. What happened to
their defense?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I think it's the secondary. It's something that's home that
I think the Steelers since the beginning, right, they can
never quite get the cornerbacks in there that can be
consistent at the high level. Yes, they've tried to make
some move to be able to improve that, obviously, but
still I think it's just that secondary continues to try
to find itself. And I think when they traded away
Mike A. Fitspatrick again, I think that hurt them. But
at the same point, this has been a problem they've
been dealing with for years, and yeah, they used to
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be the Steelers. I just thought there upfront would be
stronger than it was or it was last night. That's
the one thing that was surprising to me is I
thought they'd get after the quarterback more and in more sacks,
more opportunities like that, but they didn't do it. So yeah,
I agree. The Steelers are just always good and that's
a frustrating thing, even though you would take it if
you were the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader.
That's Mark Dominic He's he's our guest. Okay, what do
you do when you're the Jets and you got a
first year quarter first year head coach, and you know,
you start to hear Aaron Rodgers' story and you're like,
it might actually make sense when you look at how
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he's handling things. It's not going well in New York. Now, look,
I don't think you can win with Justin Fields anyway.
But it's not about winning or losing with Justin Fields.
It's about it's like he's trying to be Dan Campbell.
He's not Dan Campbell and he just is missing. What
do you do if you're the Jets?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Well, I mean I think you're just worried. I think
if I'm coach Glen or if I'm the gentlemanager there,
I'm telling coach going, Look, we realize the season is
going to be harsh. I understand you've got to create
your culture and continue to stay by it no matter what.
So as you get more and more young guys into
the building, their understanding the expectations of what we're trying
to build here, understanding that twenty twenty five isn't going
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to be that year. And I know that you want
to win right away. But I would give him the
confidence say hey, look we're going to go through this together.
We're going to make this work, and not scare him
ount of like not being who he wants to be
and just worried about the next victory. Because I do
think with the Jets they're going to be in position
to take a quarterback and I think they will just
to off season, and I think that's going to be
a big meat move for them, because I still think
Aaron Glenn as a leader is a good one, and
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I just know that the Jets just as a roster
is not a good one.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
What has Drake made done to evolve the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I think he made great decisions right with the football.
I think that's the thing. The processing seems to go
very well for Drake. May I think He's doing a
great job of getting back and knowing where he's supposed
to go with the ball and getting out of his
hands as quickly as he can to not sit there
and then force the turnover. And so I think that's
the thing with Drake made this the most impressive is
that I think his processing has really sped up, and
that's created a guy that's you know, but again, here's
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a guy that's outperforming. I think the talent around him
which is a great deal for a quarterback and should
make for a very fun offseason for the New England
Patriots to continue to add weapons for him.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know, I was thinking the other day, I was
interesting to think about you and some of our discussions.
Smart Dominik's our guest, he's joined us for years, is
awesome former gentlem Managery Tampay Buccaneers. And sometimes we get
off on roads and anybody can look at Donald and
Baker and go like they were both on the same
team with the Carolina Panthers, and the Panthers wanted to
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keep neither of them. How has this happened? But how
has this happened? And you know, to me, so much
of it's about confidence. You know, both of those guys
at their first spot, everybody lost confidence to them. They
lost confidence to themselves, didn't have a great surrounding cast
or whatever. As a guy who's been through it, now,
Donald looks like he's he's a legit. I don't know,
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top fifteen quarterback right, Probably not what he's build coming
out of SC but solid. Nobody's calling the question the
contract he got. Right now, Baker is in conversation to
be MVP of the league, and I get that. You know,
some of it was him and playing hurt and you know,
the dysfunctional Browns organization and OBJ and that's why he's
not there anymore. But Carolina had him both. How does
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this happen? How do you go from two guys get
cut become two stars in the same position in the
same league a couple years later.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Well, I truly think, because both those guys all come
from McVeigh shin had trees at part of their career.
In terms of Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, that that's
the difference because those those systems help a quarterback learn
how to move. Why are we doing the play? Why
are we getting the ball out quickly? Here's the design,
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here's what we're going to check to. They're just want
I mean, we see guys in and out coming out
of those systems being productive, and they both had time
to be in that system. The problem with Carolina is
they're still just trying to figure out, you know, obviously
with the number one pick and what happened there, but
it's a different type of system been going through. And
I if I've got a young if I was an agent,
or if I was a young quarterback in the Nation
Football League, if there's any way I could spend a
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year or two, even if it's a number three in
San Francisco or the Rams, I want to be there
or Minnesota. Quite frankly, because O'Connell's bringing that same mindset
to his organization as well. I just think it's the
right place to be. We'll see what happened with JJ McCarthy.
I don't think it's it's not been what I expected
it to be, but I still think there's a lot
of upside there too, because of his character and his demeanor.
But I think that's the reason why I think Baker
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Mayfield they regained their confidence in the system. That went
back to why were they such high picks in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Great point. Okay, JJ McCarthy, what are your thoughts so far?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I've been very disappointed. I mean, I feel like, you know,
he's played one good quarter, maybe two, and I really
thought we'd see a guy that would take a big
step this year. But yeah, and you got to remind
yourself that really this is his rookie season because of
what happened last year. But I want to feel like
each week we need to start building. If we continue
as flatline, that's a very big concern because I know, no,
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mentally he can handle it, and no, characteristically he can lead.
So now it's just can he processing? Can he make
the good decisions? He's not been doing that, and so
now we've just got to wait to see. I still believe.
So I'm not going to write JJ mcrossey out by
any chance. If I'm a Vikings fan, Yeah, I'm a
little disappointed, but not be frustrated yet, because you've got
to realize he's got six games, five games under his
belt and his NFL career, that's not enough to go
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on yet.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Mark Dominks our guest here on the Doug Gottleib Show
on Fox Sports Radio what's changed with the Kansatate Chiefs
that's allowed them to seemingly turn around their season.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Well, it feels like they're tackling very well. I think
their cornerbacks are playing well, like Jalen Watson's a guy
that's in his fourth year that has really come back
this year and played well like he is in a
contract year, which he is. I think that's been a
big part of it, just that having him out there
in the way he's performing takes some pressure off. And
then offensively, they keep getting little pieces back offensively that
they need to have in terms of weapons, and I
think that that's been important. And I think the tackles
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have probably I mean, the interior guys are playing very well.
Tackles have played a little better, and they've been trying
to help them out a little bit more so. I
think they're being very smart about the protection for Patrick.
And then Patrick's back to looking like Patrick Mahomes from
you know, last two years ago, three years ago, whatever
it was. He's just he's threatened the ball and it's
not because of Travis Kelcey. It's it's because he's you know,
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spreading the ball all around to everybody and I think
that's the big difference.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Mark Eagles. Eagles, it just seems combustible. They don't seem
as good as they were a j. Brown. You know,
two games ago they tried to force it to him.
His attitude's not great. You know, Jalen Hurts does have
some limitations. You know, he does everything except for really
throw the football crazy. Well, what's your perspective in the
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likelihood that they turn this thing around.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I think they can turn it around. I think the
offensive line's still playing very well. I think they just
need to feed the ball to sake one even more
than they are and whether that's in the passing game
and short throws. But it's time to just pound with
Sakon and see what a game looks like with twenty
six carries and six catches. And I know it's a
lot to ask for any running back, but I think
that's what they got to get back to the grassroots
of why they got to the Super Bowl and won
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it last year, and that was on the back of
Saquon Barkley. It wasn't Jalen Hurts throwing the ball over
the field. And the other part is that they're just
not getting to the quarterback in terms of sacks or pressure.
They've got to get Jalen Carter on the field and healthy.
And if they can get to that point, those two pieces,
to me, Saquon Barkley and Jalen Carter are really the
keys of them getting back on track.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Mark Uh, Look, it should be a great football weekend.
Love talking ball with you, especially after last night. I
got me jacked. I did not expect that to be
a good game, and then it was. It was a fun,
great atmosphere, good football game. Disappointing end for the Steelers,
still fun. Thanks so much for being our guests. Enjoy
the weekend. We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
He's the best.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
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Speaker 1 (29:55):
That's Doug Got the Show Fox Sports Radio. I have
a congruent take at the top of the hour on
why the Brewers have been so outclassed by the Dodgers.
Congruent take as the Dodgers just I mean that even
that hadn't even been interested. I know. Suzaki came in
got the closed last night. His stuff is so filthy.
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How do you hit that? That's like a real question.
When you have himI Yamamoto, they have that split finger
that just falls off the table. How does any human
being hit that? I don't know. You know, the late
Timmy of the sorta, he used to always say, I go,
people say they're hitting a golf ball's artist thing? You
kidding me? Ninety seven mile an hour fastball coming in
at your eye right like? How He's right? How do
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you hit that? I have no idea how you hit
that stuff? We get some baseball top of the hour.
Before we get to that, though, Let's get to our
guy Dan Byer for a game.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Danny what he got up all right?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
The game today is I got this all right? To
throw out a topic and we all jump in with
what we want as ours. The first topic. Worst game
of the week seven schedule in the NFL three to
one go, it's gotta be Panthers Jets right like it
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truly does win this Jets team, a Panthers team that's
middle of the road right now according to the record.
But I don't know if anybody thinks they're actually a
middle of the road team. Give me Panthers and Jets
in Jersey on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I'll take got DIBs on. I got DIBs on Dolphins
and Browns.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh that's a stinker.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Browns have amazing defense at home, so it's probably gonna
be a three to two final.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The weather could have win gusts anywhere from.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Forty y quarterback. What could go wrong?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Right?
Speaker 7 (32:00):
I got DIBs on Saints at Bears only because you know,
everyone wants to ce Caleb Williams and continue to evolve,
But Saints at Bears just does not get don't get
my blood pumping very much. We're picking worst here, just
by the way. Worst, yes, worst, No blood pumping anything
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for you, Doug, all right, moving on, we may have lost, Doug,
all right, Yes, let's do uh. Next topic, Most exciting
play in baseball, Most exciting play in baseball three to
one go.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I got dips, I got worst game in baseball, I
got DIBs.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Worst play in baseball, Jason Dibbs our best play in baseball? Gosh. Now,
most exciting play in baseball when a when.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
A fast runner above average runner hits one of the
gap for a triple especially if you're there in person.
The best play in baseball triple.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I got DIBs on triple play. You thought I was
just gonna copycat mimic Jason, play like, oh, five four three?
How about that? Runners on first and second, nobody out
here in the bottom of the second I mean grand
ball down the third base line.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I want to make sure I don't triple ply the
inning is over.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
That a little too loud, Sam, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
No, that was pretty good. The pretty good pacing too, Dan, Dan.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Let me.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I just want to make sure I get the game right.
So it has to be like a live action play.
I can't say, like, you know, closer on the mound,
bases loaded, two strikes, bottom of the ninth inning, full count.
It has to be an actual play in the field.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, if you want to say, uh, if that's your.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Play at the plate, play at the plate would be
my okay. Now, play at the plate especially, I think
tagging up, because there's a build up when it's tagging up,
like is it far enough? Is it not far enough?
Like the guy holding his tag you And then now
obviously with the you can't block the plate, so there's
a certain kind of art to it. Where they kind
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of block the plate without trying to block the plate.
Play at the plate.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Has anybody had DIBs on just like inside the park
home run?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
No, I'll take that. No, there's only four of us,
so unless somebody randomly came in maybe when I was
was was the call so bad? Sam? Is that why
you covered your ears? Or is it just no?
Speaker 7 (34:31):
It was just you and Doug kind of both, you know.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Play the Stu Correll drop.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
All right, moving on, I have I have.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Can I can I just add sort of one more.
It's not like I know it's it's a game or whatever.
I think there's a break between when a guy looks
like on strike three but he may or may not
have gone, and they point to first or the third
base umpire. That that that half second between when they
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ring them up or when they do safe. That that's
one of the great moments in sports because you're like, oh,
he went, he went, he went, and then they point
down the line and then all of a sudden the
camera changes and they'll go like ring them up. That
pause is incredibly exciting.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
The appeal, the appeal, the appeal, That's what I'm sorry,
all right, guys, last topic, do you want to do
NBA MVP because the season starts on Tuesday, or do
you want to do old guys old guys, old guys, sorry,
old guys dead or alive?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Like this guy? Who was it who you killed off yesterday?
Jas Oh Dave Stewart that he's like the late great
Dave Stewart. I was like, Oh, I just saw him
in August. Did something happen?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
All right? Three to one go?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
I got he was on Dick van Dyke, who is
ninety nine years old. He'll be turning one hundred in December.
Long live Dick Van Dyke.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I got DIBs on Bob Barker, And even though he's passed,
he was he was always my favorite old guy.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Favorite guy. Coach from Cheers. I love coach Coach.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, Coach from Cheers. Old when he started the show,
and then he died while the show was still going.
I think he's always old.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Jason.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I think Quinn Easwood could kick my ass. I got
DIBs on eighty eight or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
No, he's like, and that's game time.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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