October 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the career turn Baker Mayfield's has taken and what contributed to his reputation early in his career to now. Doug breaks down an unfortunate outing from Clayton Kershaw. Doug welcomes FSR MLB Insider Jon Morosi onto the show to break down the LDS. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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all things major League Baseball, including what's the deal with
the Dodgers? Height? What's the deal with the Dodgers? You know,
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I was talking with Jason Stewart earlier today and yeah,
then we we kind of discussed Bulderham. Remember the what's
the line from Bulderham about shower shoes?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Jay Stu, if you win twenty games on the show,
you're colorful. If you don't, you're a swamp.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, if you have fungus on your shower shoes? Right,
And I use that because it's sort of where we
are with Baker Mayfield, right. Baker Mayfield now has become
this classic underdog, lovable quarterback, kind of similar to when
he was at Texas Tech as a freshman walk on starting,
or kind of similar to most of the time at
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Oklahoma where he's a former walk on transfer who became
a star. You know, all of those things, all of
those things to me are related in that you know,
now he's beloved and by Baker's own insistence, he hasn't changed.
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He's like, hey, I'm the same guy. Now you love me,
you used to hate me. Here's Baker Mayfield when he's
asked about the critics who say he's been sured.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I told you, guys, try and not get too high
and not get too low, which is something that I
was not doing early on in my career. But you know,
early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature.
Now it's moxie. He's a dog. So it's same different days.
Just as long as you play well, they change the narrative.
But you just got to be yourself. And I've always
been like that.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm I'm a little I'm not torn, I'm not conflicted.
I think that a lot of these things, a lot
of these stories I'm gonna throw at you, kind of
all work together. So Odell Beckham Junior was with him
in Cleveland. Now, remember we're taking a snapshot of today
and using it for our snapshot of when he was
in Cleveland. And he's like, look, I'm the same guy
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I am today. On the other hand, he did contextualize it.
I was more emotional then, but I'm the same guy
I was today that I was in Cleveland. You're just
judging me differently. It's fair because when he was in Cleveland,
he was the number one overall pick. He's in Cleveland,
he's the former Heisman Trophy winner. Was in Cleveland. People
tried to sell us on this underdog status. But when
you're the number one overall pick in the NFL drafting
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me the Heighschman Trophy winner, you are no longer an
upper underdog. So there is part of it where he
struggled with the old Shakespearean line heavy as the head
that wears the crown. He was the king of Cleveland,
and he had been annoyed that king by being the
number one overall draft pick. His GM who drafted him,
said he's like Brett Favre. I mean, like you're talking
about deity like status. Also should be remembered that Odell
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Beckham Junior was on the team and part of Baker's
downfall was the fracture in their relationship or the lack
of respect Obji had for Baker Mayfield OBJ, who we
don't know. We think he may be out of football.
Of course, he got caught with peds. So even if
he does try and come back, he suspended. He's making
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the rounds and he said this on a podcast this
week about the Giants. All Right, we'll get to that
in a second. That's okay, we'll get to that in
a second. I'll relate it to you and I'll kind
of bring it all together in one second. Okay, let
me know when you have that cut there, Sammy. Okay.
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So we have to understand that part of how we
viewed Baker was we were watching Odell Beckham Junior, who
was widely regarded as one of the best of not
the best wide receiver in the league, when he was
dealt to the Browns and when that didn't work, and
Obj's dad called out Baker on social media, immediately we
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started to look at Baker differently. Here's OBJ earlier this week, not.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
A semi a bit of me that I feel like
the sent me off. I've said it before, sent me
off to Cleveland to die. You know, they could have
I could have went to the forty nine ers, I
could have went to the Patriots. I could have went
to teams that had, you know, a chance to be great.
And that's not what their desire was their desire. You
can't tell me that this was the best trade package
we could have got for you know, your desire was
to you know, kind of put me over a little bit.
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It's how I feel. You know, you feel like I
made a fool of view of the organization and that
was never truly like my intention. Like I'm just that competitive,
Like I wanted to win, like I always wanted to win.
I'm tired of being six and ten. We haven't done
anything to make changes. Eli's going out. You know, I'm
texting Eli, like your seventh on the list, you know
what I mean, like for the greatest of all time,
like I want to be I want to see Eli
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go out with another super Bowl. Like we're not putting
the pieces around them, and I feel like I was
being wasted as well. Like that's how you know, like
stats is cool, and like when you losing, it doesn't
feel like okay, cool, I had thirteen whatever fourteen hundred rds,
just be any touchdowns like oh you lost?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah. I mean all that stuff about losing is great.
I think the thing you heard from his voice was
he didn't want to be in Cleveland. He viewed Cleveland
as as a bad franchise. What's amazing about it was
when he was in Cleveland, they actually had a chance
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right Cleveland, when Baker was the quarterback, you know, his
first year seven wins to six year, the second year
six wins. But in twenty twenty, twenty twenty, Baker's on
the team. They have Kareem Hunt, who was at that
had Nick Chubb, who's a thousand yard back, Kareem Hunt,
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who's an eight hundred yard back. Remember, they had Jarvis
Landry who was friends with Odell Beckham and Odell Beckham junior.
Like they had a squad. He's it's really interesting at
that point in time, with that personnel, Cleveland should have
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had a chance to go to a super Bowl. They
won eleven games that year. So he's acting like OBJ
is acting like they sent him to Football Siberia. They didn't.
They didn't send him to the worst team in the league.
They sent him to one of the better team, one
of the more talented teams in the league. And he got
to be with Baker Mayfield, who he wanted to play with,
or he thought he wanted to play with at the time.
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And then you run into the Baker and how he's viewed,
and he was immature, and Baker by his own estimation,
his own words, by the way, was I was immature.
I was too emotional like that. So how can you
make it make sense? Dog? How do you bring this
all together? I can tell you that in building a
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college basketball program, and Green Bay, Wisconsin in a program
that you know, the year before me they had a
breakout season and they won a team, but previously that
single digit wins in previous in the two previous years
and single digit wins in my first year, that when
you take over a program that's struggling, and for us
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obviously now in college athletics, you're paying people, much like
in the NFL, you've got to figure out who wants
to be there and who's only there because they're I'm
only here because I don't want to get fined. I
want here because I want to get paid. Because part
of diving into a place is diving into being there
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and to properly paint. What happened to Baker, what happened
to OBJ, what happened to the Browns was they had
all of this talent, but Odell Beckham Junior didn't want
to be there. Baker Mayfield was too immature and too emotional.
Plus he was fighting the fact that for the first
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time ever in his life, he wasn't an underdog. He
wanted to carry the underdog status, but he wasn't. You
can't make yourself into an underdog when you played played
for NASH Championship, when you've been a Heisman Trophy winner,
when you've been the number one overall pick with the
number one overall pick in the NFL draft, no matter,
if you start your career as a walk on, you
are no longer an underdog. So he struggled to carry
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that crown. OBJ didn't want to be there, and OBJ
slowly but surely undid any of the credibility of Baker Mayfield.
Because his dad goes on social media and calls out
Baker for missing throws and missing reads. Let's properly contextualize it.
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I'm listen. I'm always been good with Baker. I have
you go back in and look when he came out
of the draft, came out to the draft, I was
on Colhert Show, and I said what everybody Norman has
ever said to me, It doesn't matter what fans think,
what media thinks. His teammates love him, love him, would
run through a brick wall for him. What scouts always
told me was better as the underdog, better when surrounded
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by really good players. Gotta have great players, because it's
not like he's crazy talented. He's just smart, tough and
will will do things, will play above his level. But
he's got to level up with guys that are better
than him to make plays. He can't bring them necessarily
to a higher level. That's not who he is in
the National Football League. And so when you're building these
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things college pro, maybe even in high school, the first
thing is you gotta build with guys that want to
be there. The second thing is you gotta know, okay,
who is who's better is the underdog, who's better is
the favorite? And they had to all be pulling the
same direction. But Baker kind of contextual, kind of gave
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gave everybody an out by saying, well, yeah, I was
too up and down, too emotional, but I'm the same guy. Like, no,
you just told everybody you've changed, you evolved, only you
want to You want us to feel bad about pointing
out your immaturity. Back when he got to the Browns, heck,
I'd give him a pass as being immature. No one's
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ready to be a face of a franchise when you're
just a walk on a couple of years previously. That's
a meteoric rise, the likes of which we've rarely seen
in the NFL. But that's what happened, and he wasn't
ready for it. He wasn't ready for dealing with the
type of personality of Odell Beckham Junior. The Browns weren't
ready to deal with a dad who's out there tweeting
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out all twenty two videos of the quarterback trying to
free up his son. No one was ready for all that.
And maybe that stuff doesn't work in Cleveland, right. What
works in Cleveland is three yards and a pile of dust.
What works in Cleveland is just finding team guys, Guys
that want to be there, guys that want to be
a part of it. Maybe guys that don't need top
bitter when they're signing a free agent contract. We've talked
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a lot about the Browns over the last two days
because they just trade away Joe Flacco, who has moved
to be a backup and we're still waiting to night
out of store standers is ultimately backup. But when I
heard Baker Mayfield say, Hey, all these critics, basically same
guys that are now supporting me are the same guys
that are killing me, I think he's lacking the proper
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context in it.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I just do.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
All right. It's Doug gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
So last night, the Yankee season came to an end,
but something else felt like it came to an end
as well. What do we do with Clayton Kershaw's legacy? Legacy?
Speaker 6 (12:46):
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Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It was a hard watch last night with the Dodgers
in the eighth inning, So, uh, seventh inning, Clayton Kershaw
comes in the game, and I mean he survived, right,
he survived. Uh he ends up putting you know runners
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on base. Tasker Hernandez makes two outstanding plays in right field.
You know they they throw a guy out at at
home K k Hernandez throws the dude down or no,
was it Taoskar throws a guy out at home K
k Hernandez with like all three outs were fantastic defensive plays,
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and say get they go into the dugout. I remember
this is in La. So you get to the bottom
of the seventh inning and down three, get three to one.
Clayton Kershaw looked like a defeated man. He looked like
he didn't have his stuff. So in the bottom half
of the seventh inning, the third out, with shohey o
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Tani coming within, I'm gonna go three feet of hitting
the ball over the fence and making it a three
to two ball game because it was at the very
back of the warning track. But you know, you still
got a couple more feet to go. I'd say a
yard further and it clears the wall four or five
feet further. It clears the wall and then some and
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it's out of the left fielder's reach. But they were
that close to making it a one run game at
home with an incredible lineup at Chevez Ravine. Granted, they
were struggling to do anything with Philly's pitching staff. So
what did the Dodgers do. They threw him back out there.
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Threw him back out there, and what happened next is
it just wasn't pretty. Kershaw got shelled. The defense also
looks shoddy, as I'm sure they got anybody anybody's been
on a team. When the pitcher can't get anybody out
and they're hitting rockets, it'll cause you to make airrs.
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And what was a three to one game became an
eight to one game, ultimately an eight two game in
the bottom of the ninth inning. Kershaw pitch two full innings,
gives up six hits, four earned runs, five runs total,
walks three, gives up two home runs, and most of
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the reason he was brought in was because they won
the lefty lefty matchup with Kyle Schwarber, who had hit
one in the parking lot earlier in the game, and
he hit another one out against Kershaw. There's a couple
of takeaways I have from this, and then I would
love your thoughts, Jason Stewart, because you've watched more of
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Clayton Kershaw's games than anybody in our building, and I'm
guessing anybody who's listening, and he watched almost all the
Dodger games this year. The first thing is this, Clayton
Kershaw had a really good year regular season in pitching.
What you saw last night is the difference in regular
season and postseason. Remember the regular season this year, Clayton
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Kershaw eleven and two, three point three six era, really
surprising year in what will be his last year as
a Dodger at thirty seven years old. I mean, it's good.
But if you want the difference, and you can tell
me he didn't have his stuff, that's fine. And I'm
not sitting here telling you that he's not a Hall
of Famer, he's not an all time great. It diminishes
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anything at all. What it does is it diminishes regular
season versus postseason. This is the perfect example of how
much more difficult postseason baseball is because you're facing a
lineup that everybody is locked in on one thing on
the scattering port. There's not You're not playing three and
then getting on a plane and playing three and then
getting on a plane and having a day off and
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playing four and getting on a plane and taking a
day off and then play in two and then play
in three. They're not doing that. You're focused on one team,
one scout, you know, one serve source of analytic data,
and you got to be ready to go, and the
Phillies were. And if you have anything less than electric stuff,
that's what happens to you. Baseball has two different seasons,
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and if you want to know how different those seasons are,
watch Clayton Kershaw the regular season. Watch Clayton Kershaw. Last night,
every out he got seemed more like luck than every
run they scored. But then it brings up the really
curious question, which is I understand why you gave him
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a look and maybe you want to save some of
the bullpen in the seventh and I get that once
it got out of hand, once they hit a home run,
it was six to three, you're like, or six to one,
you're like, Ah, just leave him out there. Why send
him back out there in the eighth inning, It's only
a two game. You got five arms in the bullpen,
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Jase dou help me out. Let's start with the second one.
They worked back to the first one. Why do you
think Dave Roberts stuck him out there in the eighth
inning after getting shelled in the seventh inning and they
survived to not give up a run when he was
in there.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I think Dave has been accused of a lot of things,
and I think maybe a loyalty to some of the
vets is one of the biggest things that he's accused of.
I think that it was almost like he wanted to
give Kershaw a chance to make good have a clean inning,
and then when it went south. We've seen a history
of this, recent history of this with the Dodgers. They're
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more than willing to punt postseason games and wind up
the pitching for the next few games. We found out
after the game that Tanner Scott, the guy they paid
to be a closer who had a horrible season, was
out for personal reasons. So he would have been the
guy to take all the bullets in that eighth inning
happened to be Clayton Kershaw, which was really could just
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sad for us. Dodger fans. That's the last time we
see him on the mound at Dodger Stadium. That's just sad.
It sucked. There's no other way to put it. I
think you summed it up pretty nicely. Hard to watch.
I don't know exactly why Dave brought him out. He
said something along the line of we like the matchup
and then it got out of hand. But yeah, it
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was sad.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, that was That was a tough one to watch
because to anybody who knows anything about baseball, You're like,
there's one of the greatest pictures of this era, and
then he gets shelled and do what do I think
that they survive and go to next round? Yeah? I
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do think. You know, they still have two games to
win one, and obviously you'd like to win that at
the Ravine, not go back to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
But uh, there is one thing that that that you
did not add. You got, you got almost all of
it perfect. It's just that he's not a relief pitcher,
so the processing getting ready as relievers a whole lot different.
So I'm gonna give him some grace on this. I
think the last time he pitched in the postseason and
relief was in twenty seventeen Series nineteen.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
It wasn't in the World Series during COVID.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
No, No, that was that was the guy that beat
his wife Kershaw pitch, I think in twenty nineteen or
twenty seventeen in relief, if not both. And he just
hasn't been doing it. So you add his age, you
add the fact that he's just very hittable, his slider
wasn't working, and then the process of going in this
isn't his regular routine. So yeah, it sucked.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess the question becomes,
if they win in Game four with a completely fresh
and rested bullpen, is he like the MVP because he
took all the bullets but it was hard to watch.
I mean, he literally couldn't get anybody out. And and look,
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part of this is this is this is why I'm
I will never change my stance on steroid guys in baseball, Okay,
because what happens with natural age and natural progression, and
Kershaw's the perfect example of it. He went from being
a great thrower who could pitch to being kind of
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the combination of pitcher who could throw, and then he
had to his last couple of years. It was all
guile and intelligence and location and scouting and timing and
being a lefty and crafty knowing he had very good
stuff anymore. But he could still, you know, find a
way to get through six or seven and the Dodgers
have the best lineup in baseball and get it done.
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But that's that's actually normal. It's normal aging. It's like
what would all of us look like if we don't
get hair transplant surgery and botox and take ozembic. Right,
there's a natural regression through age, like gray hairs are okay.
But steroids changed that, right, Remember Roger Clemens was going
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through a regression when he was in Boston. Then he
goes to Toronto and all reports are that's when he
started using steroids and now he's the best pitcher of baseball.
That was sad, but that's usually what it looks like.
On your way out, Hitters look overwhelmed. Pitchers can't get
anybody out. Now here's the big question. Does it change
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the series? Does it change the series? It's the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Fox Sports
Radios MOLB Insider and the MLB MLB Network Reporter John Rossi,
he joins us as we're right in the middle, right
in the middle of October and DS baseball. The Yankees
are at home, the Dodgers still need to win a game.
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The Cubs force force force to fourth game, just like
the Phillies did as well, and then of course you
got Detroit and Seattle of the series that people have forgotten. John,
Let's start with the Dodgers. I get why you give
Clayton Kershaw a look out of the bullpen seventh, but
it's three to one. Show Hey hits the ball to
the warning track, he come into the eighth inning, they
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throw him back out there when he clearly didn't have
his stuff. Did the Dodgers wave the white flag late
in yesterday's game?
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Doug, Good, afternoon. It is a very interesting question, and
certainly I'll say this, Kershaw had played well enough during
the stretch run of the regular season to at least
create some positivity and optimism that he'd be able to
be competitive, if not potentially a difference maker for this
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team in the postseason. Clearly last night was a counter
argument to that optimism. And I would say, Doug that
it was the second inning in him going back out there.
That might be the thing that is garnering the most
second guessing today. I think you're right that the Dodgers
had decided that they were not going to chase that
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win yesterday with their best bullpen pieces, and that they're
going to leave Kershaw in there. But it really was
a tough way to see him go out if in
fact that is his last professional outing. There was a
beautiful send off at the end of the regular season.
Yesterday felt very different in that setting. And now I
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think Doug that the question becomes with Glass now starting
Game four. He is not someone who has really gone
deep into games, and that might be the one bit
of important context for Dave Roberts and the Dodgers that
they knew that their Game four starter is someone who
doesn't take you deep into games. You know that your
bullpen is going to have to be ready and certainly
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able to cover multiple innings. In relief of Glass now
here in Game four, that they probably did have to
play with the long term in mind and to give
themselves the best chance to win Game four and game
by even though Doug, they do not want to go
back to Philadelphia, as great as they look there at
games one and two, it is hard to take your
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chances of winning a winner take all game at Citizens Bank.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Park, s Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
I would tend to agree with you there. Let's let's
get to have you seen a ball hit as hard
as Swarber's ball was hit the first.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Home run, My goodness, one of the hardest hit balls
certainly that I've ever seen. Actually, I was at the
game yesterday in Detroit. Riley Green had one of the
hardest hit balls he's ever had in that ballpark. That
was absolutely scorched. But I just think with Schwarber, the
iconic location of Dodger Stadium, and we all, anybody has
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ever been fortunate enough to see a game at Dodger
Stadium knows exactly how far that pavilion is, exactly how
far the extreme reach of that stadium is. And to
be able to put a ball that distance from home
plate and project it against this backdrop that we've seen
so many iconic October moments, Doug, I just think stood
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out to a lot of us as being a truly
unique October moment. And now the Phillies, It's amazing what
one game, one inning one swing can do. It seems
as though just over a couple innings yesterday, Doug, the
Phillies got their attitude back. And this is a very
very confident group that got away. I think from their
confidence in games one and two a little bit. They're
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one went away, one really good rally away from bringing
this whole series right back to Philly, and they've got
the right guy in the mount for them. Tonight they
were able to win a game that was started by
Nola yesterday, which was really crucial for them. So I
think they're feeling good, and all of a sudden, I
think the Dodgers have a little bit of pressure on
them to wrap this thing up at home, because I
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think they want no part of having to take that
cross country trip and deal with a really, really repped
up fan base there in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
What happens now with the Yankees, you know, Doug, it's.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
An important question. I I don't think that Aaron Boone
will get dismissed. I don't think he should. I think
Aaron Boone is done with the pieces that he's been given.
And I think what what Alex and the guys were
talking about in the panel last night on the Box.
I think it was correct in a lot of ways.
It was a roster that was not the easiest to manage.
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But when you look at the rosters that are are
thriving right now, the team that just knocked the Yankees out,
the Blue Jays, more athletic, better defense, more adaptability, and
just deeper, a deeper roster. I think the Yankees had
a roster of pieces that didn't quite fit. And when
you look at that, and you look at the job
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that Boone has done, as long as Judge remains on
board with Boone, and I think he is, then I
have a hard time thinking that the Yankees are going
to make this change if it's against the wishes of
their superstar, who is of course under contract for longer
than anybody else in that organization save ownership. So that's
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what I look at. Maybe they'll make some coaching staff changes,
they will certainly have to make some adjustice to their lineup,
and Doug. The scary part of your the Yankees is,
I guess these two things. Number One, you're still not
sure exactly Garrett Cole, your one coming back from surgery,
what he's going to be able to do for you.
And the second part of it is a lot of
your other key players this season, Trent Grisham and Cody
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Bellinger to name two, are free agents. So the Yankees
have some work to do to just get back to
being as good as they were this year, which was
not good enough. And of course it's all happening. The
Mets have their own questions, so it's going to be
a very very busy off the in a reporting I
think for all all of my colleagues who are based
there in New York City.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, John,
I'm I'm trying to figure out the Cubs Brewers did
put a runner, a second nobody out down a run
in the eighth inning, So the Cubs kind of survived
the Brewers. But do you think they can carry over
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this momentum and win two more?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
The Brewers are the better team. The Brewers, I believe
will eventually win this series. I think they're a little
bit deeper, They're a little more creative and how they
can potentially approach you with their different bullpen games and
other philosophies like that. I just think they're a better team.
But I tell you what, Doug the baseball world is
getting to know Michael Bush, who, in my opinion, is
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one of the more overlooked really good young players in
Major League Baseball. A thirty plus homer bad at first base,
he was really just blocked from playing time in LA
because he was behind Freddie Freeman. So the Cubs very
wisely acquired from the Dodgers and look at the poweries
bringing down the leadoff spot. He's been able to do
that multiple times in this series. So I'm a big
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Michael Bush fan. I just think that overall, top to bottom,
the better fundamental team, the better team, the deeper roster
belongs to the Brewers. And wouldn't that be quite a
contrast If it ends up being one of the smallest
markets in all of sports, Milwaukee going up against either
of the Phillies the Dodgers for the National League Championship,
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that's still what I see is the most likely outcome.
Although you've got to give the Cubs some credit for
being adaptable enough, and of course that Matthew Boyd a
huge task for him tonight. He did not look good
in Game one. There were some mistakes made defensively behind him.
And now for Matthew a real chance to make amends
for that here in a crucial Game four at home.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
What are your thoughts on the Detroit Seattle series.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
It's all about Trek Scuoble on the mound, and and
he has been beaten by the Mariners multiple times this season.
And of course he didn't take the loss in Game
two on Sunday, but the Maryers were able to win
that game that he started. I tend to think that
a picture of scoobl's ability and mental strength will just
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will his team to a victory and a winner take
all game in Seattle. Of course, you know the backstory. Well,
he went to college there. There's a lot of different
threads of his narrative that intersect with that city. So
it's an ideal stage Friday night, the only game going
in baseball. And and yet at the flip side of things,
Seattle to me, Doug, when everything is firing, they have
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the better lineup. They showed that in my opinion in
Game three before the Tigers then were able to flip
the script and just stringing us really good at bats,
where all of a sudden they turned the clock back
to June when they were the best team in baseball
for stretch at the time, so it's a really interesting dynamic.
I think it's going to be Schooble getting to win.
I just have a hard time believing that the Tigers
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are going to lose four schoobl starts to the same
team in one year, he's bound to get a victory
against Seattle. And if he does that, plaintively headed east
from Seattle to Toronto for the Tigers to have a
chance to play the Jays in the postseason for the
very first time. And of course, the Tigers haven't won
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World Series since eighty four, the Jays not since ninety three,
so some serious droughts would be potentially expunged if that
ends up being the match up. And honestly, it ends
up in Seattle, so it's quite a story too, because
Seattle the only active franchise, Doug that has never been
the World Series.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Crazy stuff. Hey, John, you're the best man. Love your energy,
love your passion, love how you cover the sport and
give us your own thoughts and it comes from such
a place of knowledge. Thanks for being our guest on
Fox Sports Tridio.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Hey thanks, Doug, really appreciate it. Always enjoying the time
of year. My friend and look forward to catching up
next time.
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Speaker 1 (34:20):
Dan, what's the game today?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
All right, Doug? The game today is.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 5 (34:27):
All right? Drafting today most memorable backup quarterbacks? Doug, you
have the first pick. Sam is second, Jason third. Then
I have the fourth pick, and then we reverse it
in that order for the second round. Doug, you're on
the clock.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants, Super Bowl champion quarterback.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Easy enough. It's the first name that I wrote down. Iowa, Sam,
you are up second.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
Let's go with another Super Bowl champion quarterback coming off
the bench, Nick Foles, Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Eagles, Philly Sam. That's a good old Philly special. Yes,
all right, Jason steak.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You Dan, I'll take it from here. Uh. Trent Green's
backup quarterback in nineteen ninety nine was a guy named
Kurt Warner. Maybe you've heard he went on to the
Super Bowl title.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I think you just outed us good draft boom.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Well, it's fitting because I felt Kurt Warner was a
part of this conversation. We're going outside the box here.
You could call it Iowa samming it up. Basically, any
Packer quarterback under Mike Holmgren or that regime, even even
I would throw an Aaron Brooks, who wasn't on the
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team when Holme Grin was there, but he was there
the year after. There was a point where every backup
quarterback was just of extreme value and had great success
if you even stopped in Green Bay and it went
from Mark Brunell, Ty Detmer, Matt Hasselbeck ends up following
Holme Grin to Seattle. It was crazy time.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So got in trouble sleeping in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
And in fact, when Hasselbeck got there, he actually didn't
have great success at first. They needed Trent Dilford to
come in and save the day for a while. So
I'm doing any Green Bay quarterback under Mike holm Grin
or at least shortly after, and then because of that
have another connection Steve Young.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Ah, that was I was I was I was thinking
I was wondering if he would still be there.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Yeah, so I'm gonna take Steve Young in San Francisco
at number five.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Jason Stewart, I think this guy qualifies as a backup, right.
Doug Flutie was Rob Johnson the main guy in Buffalo
and didn't also Doug Flutie come in for a Bears
quarterback at something?
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Great?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Great backup story, Doug Flutie.
Speaker 9 (36:52):
All right, Sam, We'll go with Fitzmagic himself, Ryan Fitzpatrick,
who had a long career, started a lot of seasons
and ended a lot of seasons holding the clipboard.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
But a long, good, solid career. It came out of Harvard, right, Yeah,
many of Jersey's Yeah, many teams. I don't know. Let
me let me double check in that Harvard thing. Right,
you play it? Didn't you play at Harvard? Cuts worn?
All right, Doug, you get the final pick?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Earl Moral Mmmm?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Earl Moral Baltimore. I know you know who Earl Moral is.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Sam never heard of him.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Jay stew seventy two Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Right, correct. Bob Greasey was the starter. Bob Greasey got hurt.
Earl Morel came in right.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Oh jeez, I think you're talking about United and the Colts.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, he was United too.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Back, but he was the undefeated seventy two. The nineteen
seventy two last undefeated team was led by Bob Greasy
and Earl Moral.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
And that's game two on.
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Imagine his first take back then, right, this completely diminishes
Bob Greasy. However, the year was nineteen ninety three. You
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all things major League Baseball, including what's the deal with
the Dodgers? Height? What's the deal with the Dodgers? You know,
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I was talking with Jason Stewart earlier today and yeah,
then we we kind of discussed Bulderham. Remember the what's
the line from Bulderham about shower shoes?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Jay Stu, if you win twenty games on the show,
you're colorful. If you don't, you're a swamp.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, if you have fungus on your shower shoes? Right,
And I use that because it's sort of where we
are with Baker Mayfield, right. Baker Mayfield now has become
this classic underdog, lovable quarterback, kind of similar to when
he was at Texas Tech as a freshman walk on starting,
or kind of similar to most of the time at
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Oklahoma where he's a former walk on transfer who became
a star. You know, all of those things, all of
those things to me are related in that you know,
now he's beloved and by Baker's own insistence, he hasn't changed.
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He's like, hey, I'm the same guy. Now you love me,
you used to hate me. Here's Baker Mayfield when he's
asked about the critics who say he's been sured.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I told you, guys, try and not get too high
and not get too low, which is something that I
was not doing early on in my career. But you know,
early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature.
Now it's moxie. He's a dog. So it's same different days.
Just as long as you play well, they change the narrative.
But you just got to be yourself. And I've always
been like that.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm I'm a little I'm not torn, I'm not conflicted.
I think that a lot of these things, a lot
of these stories I'm gonna throw at you, kind of
all work together. So Odell Beckham Junior was with him
in Cleveland. Now, remember we're taking a snapshot of today
and using it for our snapshot of when he was
in Cleveland. And he's like, look, I'm the same guy
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I am today. On the other hand, he did contextualize it.
I was more emotional then, but I'm the same guy
I was today that I was in Cleveland. You're just
judging me differently. It's fair because when he was in Cleveland,
he was the number one overall pick. He's in Cleveland,
he's the former Heisman Trophy winner. Was in Cleveland. People
tried to sell us on this underdog status. But when
you're the number one overall pick in the NFL drafting
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me the Heighschman Trophy winner, you are no longer an
upper underdog. So there is part of it where he
struggled with the old Shakespearean line heavy as the head
that wears the crown. He was the king of Cleveland,
and he had been annoyed that king by being the
number one overall draft pick. His GM who drafted him,
said he's like Brett Favre. I mean, like you're talking
about deity like status. Also should be remembered that Odell
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Beckham Junior was on the team and part of Baker's
downfall was the fracture in their relationship or the lack
of respect Obji had for Baker Mayfield OBJ, who we
don't know. We think he may be out of football.
Of course, he got caught with peds. So even if
he does try and come back, he suspended. He's making
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the rounds and he said this on a podcast this
week about the Giants. All Right, we'll get to that
in a second. That's okay, we'll get to that in
a second. I'll relate it to you and I'll kind
of bring it all together in one second. Okay, let
me know when you have that cut there, Sammy. Okay.
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So we have to understand that part of how we
viewed Baker was we were watching Odell Beckham Junior, who
was widely regarded as one of the best of not
the best wide receiver in the league, when he was
dealt to the Browns and when that didn't work, and
Obj's dad called out Baker on social media, immediately we
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started to look at Baker differently. Here's OBJ earlier this week, not.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
A semi a bit of me that I feel like
the sent me off. I've said it before, sent me
off to Cleveland to die. You know, they could have
I could have went to the forty nine ers, I
could have went to the Patriots. I could have went
to teams that had, you know, a chance to be great.
And that's not what their desire was their desire. You
can't tell me that this was the best trade package
we could have got for you know, your desire was
to you know, kind of put me over a little bit.
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It's how I feel. You know, you feel like I
made a fool of view of the organization and that
was never truly like my intention. Like I'm just that competitive,
Like I wanted to win, like I always wanted to win.
I'm tired of being six and ten. We haven't done
anything to make changes. Eli's going out. You know, I'm
texting Eli, like your seventh on the list, you know
what I mean, like for the greatest of all time,
like I want to be I want to see Eli
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go out with another super Bowl. Like we're not putting
the pieces around them, and I feel like I was
being wasted as well. Like that's how you know, like
stats is cool, and like when you losing, it doesn't
feel like okay, cool, I had thirteen whatever fourteen hundred rds,
just be any touchdowns like oh you lost?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah. I mean all that stuff about losing is great.
I think the thing you heard from his voice was
he didn't want to be in Cleveland. He viewed Cleveland
as as a bad franchise. What's amazing about it was
when he was in Cleveland, they actually had a chance
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right Cleveland, when Baker was the quarterback, you know, his
first year seven wins to six year, the second year
six wins. But in twenty twenty, twenty twenty, Baker's on
the team. They have Kareem Hunt, who was at that
had Nick Chubb, who's a thousand yard back, Kareem Hunt,
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who's an eight hundred yard back. Remember, they had Jarvis
Landry who was friends with Odell Beckham and Odell Beckham junior.
Like they had a squad. He's it's really interesting at
that point in time, with that personnel, Cleveland should have
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had a chance to go to a super Bowl. They
won eleven games that year. So he's acting like OBJ
is acting like they sent him to Football Siberia. They didn't.
They didn't send him to the worst team in the league.
They sent him to one of the better team, one
of the more talented teams in the league. And he got
to be with Baker Mayfield, who he wanted to play with,
or he thought he wanted to play with at the time.
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And then you run into the Baker and how he's viewed,
and he was immature, and Baker by his own estimation,
his own words, by the way, was I was immature.
I was too emotional like that. So how can you
make it make sense? Dog? How do you bring this
all together? I can tell you that in building a
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college basketball program, and Green Bay, Wisconsin in a program
that you know, the year before me they had a
breakout season and they won a team, but previously that
single digit wins in previous in the two previous years
and single digit wins in my first year, that when
you take over a program that's struggling, and for us
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obviously now in college athletics, you're paying people, much like
in the NFL, you've got to figure out who wants
to be there and who's only there because they're I'm
only here because I don't want to get fined. I
want here because I want to get paid. Because part
of diving into a place is diving into being there
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and to properly paint. What happened to Baker, what happened
to OBJ, what happened to the Browns was they had
all of this talent, but Odell Beckham Junior didn't want
to be there. Baker Mayfield was too immature and too emotional.
Plus he was fighting the fact that for the first
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time ever in his life, he wasn't an underdog. He
wanted to carry the underdog status, but he wasn't. You
can't make yourself into an underdog when you played played
for NASH Championship, when you've been a Heisman Trophy winner,
when you've been the number one overall pick with the
number one overall pick in the NFL draft, no matter,
if you start your career as a walk on, you
are no longer an underdog. So he struggled to carry
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that crown. OBJ didn't want to be there, and OBJ
slowly but surely undid any of the credibility of Baker Mayfield.
Because his dad goes on social media and calls out
Baker for missing throws and missing reads. Let's properly contextualize it.
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I'm listen. I'm always been good with Baker. I have
you go back in and look when he came out
of the draft, came out to the draft, I was
on Colhert Show, and I said what everybody Norman has
ever said to me, It doesn't matter what fans think,
what media thinks. His teammates love him, love him, would
run through a brick wall for him. What scouts always
told me was better as the underdog, better when surrounded
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by really good players. Gotta have great players, because it's
not like he's crazy talented. He's just smart, tough and
will will do things, will play above his level. But
he's got to level up with guys that are better
than him to make plays. He can't bring them necessarily
to a higher level. That's not who he is in
the National Football League. And so when you're building these
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things college pro, maybe even in high school, the first
thing is you gotta build with guys that want to
be there. The second thing is you gotta know, okay,
who is who's better is the underdog, who's better is
the favorite? And they had to all be pulling the
same direction. But Baker kind of contextual, kind of gave
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gave everybody an out by saying, well, yeah, I was
too up and down, too emotional, but I'm the same guy. Like, no,
you just told everybody you've changed, you evolved, only you
want to You want us to feel bad about pointing
out your immaturity. Back when he got to the Browns, heck,
I'd give him a pass as being immature. No one's
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ready to be a face of a franchise when you're
just a walk on a couple of years previously. That's
a meteoric rise, the likes of which we've rarely seen
in the NFL. But that's what happened, and he wasn't
ready for it. He wasn't ready for dealing with the
type of personality of Odell Beckham Junior. The Browns weren't
ready to deal with a dad who's out there tweeting
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out all twenty two videos of the quarterback trying to
free up his son. No one was ready for all that.
And maybe that stuff doesn't work in Cleveland, right. What
works in Cleveland is three yards and a pile of dust.
What works in Cleveland is just finding team guys, Guys
that want to be there, guys that want to be
a part of it. Maybe guys that don't need top
bitter when they're signing a free agent contract. We've talked
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a lot about the Browns over the last two days
because they just trade away Joe Flacco, who has moved
to be a backup and we're still waiting to night
out of store standers is ultimately backup. But when I
heard Baker Mayfield say, Hey, all these critics, basically same
guys that are now supporting me are the same guys
that are killing me, I think he's lacking the proper
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context in it.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I just do.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
All right. It's Doug gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
So last night, the Yankee season came to an end,
but something else felt like it came to an end
as well. What do we do with Clayton Kershaw's legacy? Legacy?
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It was a hard watch last night with the Dodgers
in the eighth inning, So, uh, seventh inning, Clayton Kershaw
comes in the game, and I mean he survived, right,
he survived. Uh he ends up putting you know runners
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on base. Tasker Hernandez makes two outstanding plays in right field.
You know they they throw a guy out at at
home K k Hernandez throws the dude down or no,
was it Taoskar throws a guy out at home K
k Hernandez with like all three outs were fantastic defensive plays,
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and say get they go into the dugout. I remember
this is in La. So you get to the bottom
of the seventh inning and down three, get three to one.
Clayton Kershaw looked like a defeated man. He looked like
he didn't have his stuff. So in the bottom half
of the seventh inning, the third out, with shohey o
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Tani coming within, I'm gonna go three feet of hitting
the ball over the fence and making it a three
to two ball game because it was at the very
back of the warning track. But you know, you still
got a couple more feet to go. I'd say a
yard further and it clears the wall four or five
feet further. It clears the wall and then some and
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it's out of the left fielder's reach. But they were
that close to making it a one run game at
home with an incredible lineup at Chevez Ravine. Granted, they
were struggling to do anything with Philly's pitching staff. So
what did the Dodgers do. They threw him back out there.
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Threw him back out there, and what happened next is
it just wasn't pretty. Kershaw got shelled. The defense also
looks shoddy, as I'm sure they got anybody anybody's been
on a team. When the pitcher can't get anybody out
and they're hitting rockets, it'll cause you to make airrs.
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And what was a three to one game became an
eight to one game, ultimately an eight two game in
the bottom of the ninth inning. Kershaw pitch two full innings,
gives up six hits, four earned runs, five runs total,
walks three, gives up two home runs, and most of
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the reason he was brought in was because they won
the lefty lefty matchup with Kyle Schwarber, who had hit
one in the parking lot earlier in the game, and
he hit another one out against Kershaw. There's a couple
of takeaways I have from this, and then I would
love your thoughts, Jason Stewart, because you've watched more of
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Clayton Kershaw's games than anybody in our building, and I'm
guessing anybody who's listening, and he watched almost all the
Dodger games this year. The first thing is this, Clayton
Kershaw had a really good year regular season in pitching.
What you saw last night is the difference in regular
season and postseason. Remember the regular season this year, Clayton
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Kershaw eleven and two, three point three six era, really
surprising year in what will be his last year as
a Dodger at thirty seven years old. I mean, it's good.
But if you want the difference, and you can tell
me he didn't have his stuff, that's fine. And I'm
not sitting here telling you that he's not a Hall
of Famer, he's not an all time great. It diminishes
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anything at all. What it does is it diminishes regular
season versus postseason. This is the perfect example of how
much more difficult postseason baseball is because you're facing a
lineup that everybody is locked in on one thing on
the scattering port. There's not You're not playing three and
then getting on a plane and playing three and then
getting on a plane and having a day off and
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playing four and getting on a plane and taking a
day off and then play in two and then play
in three. They're not doing that. You're focused on one team,
one scout, you know, one serve source of analytic data,
and you got to be ready to go, and the
Phillies were. And if you have anything less than electric stuff,
that's what happens to you. Baseball has two different seasons,
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and if you want to know how different those seasons are,
watch Clayton Kershaw the regular season. Watch Clayton Kershaw. Last night,
every out he got seemed more like luck than every
run they scored. But then it brings up the really
curious question, which is I understand why you gave him
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a look and maybe you want to save some of
the bullpen in the seventh and I get that once
it got out of hand, once they hit a home run,
it was six to three, you're like, or six to one,
you're like, Ah, just leave him out there. Why send
him back out there in the eighth inning, It's only
a two game. You got five arms in the bullpen,
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Jase dou help me out. Let's start with the second one.
They worked back to the first one. Why do you
think Dave Roberts stuck him out there in the eighth
inning after getting shelled in the seventh inning and they
survived to not give up a run when he was
in there.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I think Dave has been accused of a lot of things,
and I think maybe a loyalty to some of the
vets is one of the biggest things that he's accused of.
I think that it was almost like he wanted to
give Kershaw a chance to make good have a clean inning,
and then when it went south. We've seen a history
of this, recent history of this with the Dodgers. They're
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more than willing to punt postseason games and wind up
the pitching for the next few games. We found out
after the game that Tanner Scott, the guy they paid
to be a closer who had a horrible season, was
out for personal reasons. So he would have been the
guy to take all the bullets in that eighth inning
happened to be Clayton Kershaw, which was really could just
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sad for us. Dodger fans. That's the last time we
see him on the mound at Dodger Stadium. That's just sad.
It sucked. There's no other way to put it. I
think you summed it up pretty nicely. Hard to watch.
I don't know exactly why Dave brought him out. He
said something along the line of we like the matchup
and then it got out of hand. But yeah, it
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was sad.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, that was That was a tough one to watch
because to anybody who knows anything about baseball, You're like,
there's one of the greatest pictures of this era, and
then he gets shelled and do what do I think
that they survive and go to next round? Yeah? I
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do think. You know, they still have two games to
win one, and obviously you'd like to win that at
the Ravine, not go back to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
But uh, there is one thing that that that you
did not add. You got, you got almost all of
it perfect. It's just that he's not a relief pitcher,
so the processing getting ready as relievers a whole lot different.
So I'm gonna give him some grace on this. I
think the last time he pitched in the postseason and
relief was in twenty seventeen Series nineteen.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
It wasn't in the World Series during COVID.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
No, No, that was that was the guy that beat
his wife Kershaw pitch, I think in twenty nineteen or
twenty seventeen in relief, if not both. And he just
hasn't been doing it. So you add his age, you
add the fact that he's just very hittable, his slider
wasn't working, and then the process of going in this
isn't his regular routine. So yeah, it sucked.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess the question becomes,
if they win in Game four with a completely fresh
and rested bullpen, is he like the MVP because he
took all the bullets but it was hard to watch.
I mean, he literally couldn't get anybody out. And and look,
(21:06):
part of this is this is this is why I'm
I will never change my stance on steroid guys in baseball, Okay,
because what happens with natural age and natural progression, and
Kershaw's the perfect example of it. He went from being
a great thrower who could pitch to being kind of
(21:28):
the combination of pitcher who could throw, and then he
had to his last couple of years. It was all
guile and intelligence and location and scouting and timing and
being a lefty and crafty knowing he had very good
stuff anymore. But he could still, you know, find a
way to get through six or seven and the Dodgers
have the best lineup in baseball and get it done.
(21:48):
But that's that's actually normal. It's normal aging. It's like
what would all of us look like if we don't
get hair transplant surgery and botox and take ozembic. Right,
there's a natural regression through age, like gray hairs are okay.
But steroids changed that, right, Remember Roger Clemens was going
(22:10):
through a regression when he was in Boston. Then he
goes to Toronto and all reports are that's when he
started using steroids and now he's the best pitcher of baseball.
That was sad, but that's usually what it looks like.
On your way out, Hitters look overwhelmed. Pitchers can't get
anybody out. Now here's the big question. Does it change
(22:34):
the series? Does it change the series? It's the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Fox Sports
Radios MOLB Insider and the MLB MLB Network Reporter John Rossi,
he joins us as we're right in the middle, right
in the middle of October and DS baseball. The Yankees
are at home, the Dodgers still need to win a game.
(22:56):
The Cubs force force force to fourth game, just like
the Phillies did as well, and then of course you
got Detroit and Seattle of the series that people have forgotten. John,
Let's start with the Dodgers. I get why you give
Clayton Kershaw a look out of the bullpen seventh, but
it's three to one. Show Hey hits the ball to
the warning track, he come into the eighth inning, they
(23:17):
throw him back out there when he clearly didn't have
his stuff. Did the Dodgers wave the white flag late
in yesterday's game?
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Doug, Good, afternoon. It is a very interesting question, and
certainly I'll say this, Kershaw had played well enough during
the stretch run of the regular season to at least
create some positivity and optimism that he'd be able to
be competitive, if not potentially a difference maker for this
(23:47):
team in the postseason. Clearly last night was a counter
argument to that optimism. And I would say, Doug that
it was the second inning in him going back out there.
That might be the thing that is garnering the most
second guessing today. I think you're right that the Dodgers
had decided that they were not going to chase that
(24:09):
win yesterday with their best bullpen pieces, and that they're
going to leave Kershaw in there. But it really was
a tough way to see him go out if in
fact that is his last professional outing. There was a
beautiful send off at the end of the regular season.
Yesterday felt very different in that setting. And now I
(24:29):
think Doug that the question becomes with Glass now starting
Game four. He is not someone who has really gone
deep into games, and that might be the one bit
of important context for Dave Roberts and the Dodgers that
they knew that their Game four starter is someone who
doesn't take you deep into games. You know that your
bullpen is going to have to be ready and certainly
(24:51):
able to cover multiple innings. In relief of Glass now
here in Game four, that they probably did have to
play with the long term in mind and to give
themselves the best chance to win Game four and game
by even though Doug, they do not want to go
back to Philadelphia, as great as they look there at
games one and two, it is hard to take your
(25:13):
chances of winning a winner take all game at Citizens Bank.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Park, s Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
I would tend to agree with you there. Let's let's
get to have you seen a ball hit as hard
as Swarber's ball was hit the first.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Home run, My goodness, one of the hardest hit balls
certainly that I've ever seen. Actually, I was at the
game yesterday in Detroit. Riley Green had one of the
hardest hit balls he's ever had in that ballpark. That
was absolutely scorched. But I just think with Schwarber, the
iconic location of Dodger Stadium, and we all, anybody has
(25:54):
ever been fortunate enough to see a game at Dodger
Stadium knows exactly how far that pavilion is, exactly how
far the extreme reach of that stadium is. And to
be able to put a ball that distance from home
plate and project it against this backdrop that we've seen
so many iconic October moments, Doug, I just think stood
(26:18):
out to a lot of us as being a truly
unique October moment. And now the Phillies, It's amazing what
one game, one inning one swing can do. It seems
as though just over a couple innings yesterday, Doug, the
Phillies got their attitude back. And this is a very
very confident group that got away. I think from their
confidence in games one and two a little bit. They're
(26:40):
one went away, one really good rally away from bringing
this whole series right back to Philly, and they've got
the right guy in the mount for them. Tonight they
were able to win a game that was started by
Nola yesterday, which was really crucial for them. So I
think they're feeling good, and all of a sudden, I
think the Dodgers have a little bit of pressure on
them to wrap this thing up at home, because I
(27:02):
think they want no part of having to take that
cross country trip and deal with a really, really repped
up fan base there in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
What happens now with the Yankees, you know, Doug, it's.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
An important question. I I don't think that Aaron Boone
will get dismissed. I don't think he should. I think
Aaron Boone is done with the pieces that he's been given.
And I think what what Alex and the guys were
talking about in the panel last night on the Box.
I think it was correct in a lot of ways.
It was a roster that was not the easiest to manage.
(27:38):
But when you look at the rosters that are are
thriving right now, the team that just knocked the Yankees out,
the Blue Jays, more athletic, better defense, more adaptability, and
just deeper, a deeper roster. I think the Yankees had
a roster of pieces that didn't quite fit. And when
you look at that, and you look at the job
(27:59):
that Boone has done, as long as Judge remains on
board with Boone, and I think he is, then I
have a hard time thinking that the Yankees are going
to make this change if it's against the wishes of
their superstar, who is of course under contract for longer
than anybody else in that organization save ownership. So that's
(28:20):
what I look at. Maybe they'll make some coaching staff changes,
they will certainly have to make some adjustice to their lineup,
and Doug. The scary part of your the Yankees is,
I guess these two things. Number One, you're still not
sure exactly Garrett Cole, your one coming back from surgery,
what he's going to be able to do for you.
And the second part of it is a lot of
your other key players this season, Trent Grisham and Cody
(28:43):
Bellinger to name two, are free agents. So the Yankees
have some work to do to just get back to
being as good as they were this year, which was
not good enough. And of course it's all happening. The
Mets have their own questions, so it's going to be
a very very busy off the in a reporting I
think for all all of my colleagues who are based
there in New York City.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, John,
I'm I'm trying to figure out the Cubs Brewers did
put a runner, a second nobody out down a run
in the eighth inning, So the Cubs kind of survived
the Brewers. But do you think they can carry over
(29:26):
this momentum and win two more?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
The Brewers are the better team. The Brewers, I believe
will eventually win this series. I think they're a little
bit deeper, They're a little more creative and how they
can potentially approach you with their different bullpen games and
other philosophies like that. I just think they're a better team.
But I tell you what, Doug the baseball world is
getting to know Michael Bush, who, in my opinion, is
(29:52):
one of the more overlooked really good young players in
Major League Baseball. A thirty plus homer bad at first base,
he was really just blocked from playing time in LA
because he was behind Freddie Freeman. So the Cubs very
wisely acquired from the Dodgers and look at the poweries
bringing down the leadoff spot. He's been able to do
that multiple times in this series. So I'm a big
(30:15):
Michael Bush fan. I just think that overall, top to bottom,
the better fundamental team, the better team, the deeper roster
belongs to the Brewers. And wouldn't that be quite a
contrast If it ends up being one of the smallest
markets in all of sports, Milwaukee going up against either
of the Phillies the Dodgers for the National League Championship,
(30:37):
that's still what I see is the most likely outcome.
Although you've got to give the Cubs some credit for
being adaptable enough, and of course that Matthew Boyd a
huge task for him tonight. He did not look good
in Game one. There were some mistakes made defensively behind him.
And now for Matthew a real chance to make amends
for that here in a crucial Game four at home.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
What are your thoughts on the Detroit Seattle series.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
It's all about Trek Scuoble on the mound, and and
he has been beaten by the Mariners multiple times this season.
And of course he didn't take the loss in Game
two on Sunday, but the Maryers were able to win
that game that he started. I tend to think that
a picture of scoobl's ability and mental strength will just
(31:24):
will his team to a victory and a winner take
all game in Seattle. Of course, you know the backstory. Well,
he went to college there. There's a lot of different
threads of his narrative that intersect with that city. So
it's an ideal stage Friday night, the only game going
in baseball. And and yet at the flip side of things,
Seattle to me, Doug, when everything is firing, they have
(31:47):
the better lineup. They showed that in my opinion in
Game three before the Tigers then were able to flip
the script and just stringing us really good at bats,
where all of a sudden they turned the clock back
to June when they were the best team in baseball
for stretch at the time, so it's a really interesting dynamic.
I think it's going to be Schooble getting to win.
I just have a hard time believing that the Tigers
(32:09):
are going to lose four schoobl starts to the same
team in one year, he's bound to get a victory
against Seattle. And if he does that, plaintively headed east
from Seattle to Toronto for the Tigers to have a
chance to play the Jays in the postseason for the
very first time. And of course, the Tigers haven't won
(32:30):
World Series since eighty four, the Jays not since ninety three,
so some serious droughts would be potentially expunged if that
ends up being the match up. And honestly, it ends
up in Seattle, so it's quite a story too, because
Seattle the only active franchise, Doug that has never been
the World Series.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Crazy stuff. Hey, John, you're the best man. Love your energy,
love your passion, love how you cover the sport and
give us your own thoughts and it comes from such
a place of knowledge. Thanks for being our guest on
Fox Sports Tridio.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Hey thanks, Doug, really appreciate it. Always enjoying the time
of year. My friend and look forward to catching up
next time.
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Let's get to the press, Let's get to a game.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Dan, what's the game today?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
All right, Doug? The game today is.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 5 (34:27):
All right? Drafting today most memorable backup quarterbacks? Doug, you
have the first pick. Sam is second, Jason third. Then
I have the fourth pick, and then we reverse it
in that order for the second round. Doug, you're on
the clock.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants, Super Bowl champion quarterback.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Easy enough. It's the first name that I wrote down. Iowa, Sam,
you are up second.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
Let's go with another Super Bowl champion quarterback coming off
the bench, Nick Foles, Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Eagles, Philly Sam. That's a good old Philly special. Yes,
all right, Jason steak.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You Dan, I'll take it from here. Uh. Trent Green's
backup quarterback in nineteen ninety nine was a guy named
Kurt Warner. Maybe you've heard he went on to the
Super Bowl title.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I think you just outed us good draft boom.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Well, it's fitting because I felt Kurt Warner was a
part of this conversation. We're going outside the box here.
You could call it Iowa samming it up. Basically, any
Packer quarterback under Mike Holmgren or that regime, even even
I would throw an Aaron Brooks, who wasn't on the
(35:45):
team when Holme Grin was there, but he was there
the year after. There was a point where every backup
quarterback was just of extreme value and had great success
if you even stopped in Green Bay and it went
from Mark Brunell, Ty Detmer, Matt Hasselbeck ends up following
Holme Grin to Seattle. It was crazy time.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So got in trouble sleeping in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
And in fact, when Hasselbeck got there, he actually didn't
have great success at first. They needed Trent Dilford to
come in and save the day for a while. So
I'm doing any Green Bay quarterback under Mike holm Grin
or at least shortly after, and then because of that
have another connection Steve Young.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Ah, that was I was I was I was thinking
I was wondering if he would still be there.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Yeah, so I'm gonna take Steve Young in San Francisco
at number five.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Jason Stewart, I think this guy qualifies as a backup, right.
Doug Flutie was Rob Johnson the main guy in Buffalo
and didn't also Doug Flutie come in for a Bears
quarterback at something?
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Great?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Great backup story, Doug Flutie.
Speaker 9 (36:52):
All right, Sam, We'll go with Fitzmagic himself, Ryan Fitzpatrick,
who had a long career, started a lot of seasons
and ended a lot of seasons holding the clipboard.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
But a long, good, solid career. It came out of Harvard, right, Yeah,
many of Jersey's Yeah, many teams. I don't know. Let
me let me double check in that Harvard thing. Right,
you play it? Didn't you play at Harvard? Cuts worn?
All right, Doug, you get the final pick?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Earl Moral Mmmm?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Earl Moral Baltimore. I know you know who Earl Moral is.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Sam never heard of him.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Jay stew seventy two Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Right, correct. Bob Greasey was the starter. Bob Greasey got hurt.
Earl Morel came in right.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Oh jeez, I think you're talking about United and the Colts.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, he was United too.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Back, but he was the undefeated seventy two. The nineteen
seventy two last undefeated team was led by Bob Greasy
and Earl Moral.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
And that's game two on.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Imagine his first take back then, right, this completely diminishes
Bob Greasy. However, the year was nineteen ninety three. You
know what you're not gonna do. You're not gonna call
it throw Back Thursday. Don't call it a throwback. It's
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