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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
A Happy Wednesday to you. Welcome man. You manned it
through halfway of the week.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Although I still feel like if people now are starting
to get their vacations in school starts in a couple
of weeks, so it's now we're never if you're gonna
go away for the summer.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It does.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
It just feels like I feel like even sports and
we're here for two hours to get you caught up
on everything in sports, but it just feels like we're
like a week or two away from those like super
pressing topics, and now it's just kind of weight weeding
through what we need to know with these training camps
versus what we don't same with baseball and everything else
going on in sports.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
A pressing topic in Dallas, at least with the Cowboys
as they have training camp filed by US here in
Southern California and Oxnard is the contract situation of Micah Parsons.
I also think there's a bigger picture when it comes
to the Cowboys. We'll get to that in just a second.
Your Monci gave us the latest big game today at
American Family Field in Milwaukee. That's where Doug Gottlieb is.
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Doug Gottlieb is taking in the Cubs and Brewers, and
I just want to say this. I say this, I
would have I would say this to Doug's face. Brewers
going for the sweep today, Doug's in attendance, Brewers are losing.
So Doug right now, mister Jenks, I would say that
to his face, like just just stay just stay away,
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just maybe stay away, Doug.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
This is like I worked for about four years in
the eight PM Saturday slot with Arnie Spanier Arizona in
men's basketball and football, when a combined like one and
four hundred and twenty two in that time slot to
the point that the saga has drops in everything because
it was it was bad. It was it was a bloodbath.
(01:58):
When Arnie Spanier's on when Arizona Wildcats.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
On your pre show Rundown, before the game even finished,
you could write Arizona loss. Oh yeah, under twenty after
the hour, we're gonna talk about Arizona's loss, whether it
be in football, whether it be in basketball, and if
it was a heartbreaker, you could move it up to
the top of the hour.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yes, it was also funny too because basically the year
he left our Saturday time slot to you know, spend
time with the family whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That was what they got good at football, that.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
One nine win season when they had teat Yeah, yeah,
I go all right, yeah, when they had Jetfish was
the coach and t Mac was kind of coming into
his own obviously, the wide receiver who's now with the
Carolina Panthers. So yeah, it was like more than just
a coincidence after a certain amount of time.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Can't say.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't know if it's the same with Doug and
Wisconsin sports appearances for the Brewers and the Packers and
whatever else he's attending, but I know it was for
Arnies just.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Busting his chops a little bit. It's what we do
here on Fox Sports Radio on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
We got a midway coming up Moncy Belanios this year.
Iowa Sam our technical producer on the show. Of course,
executively produced by the one and only Jason Stewart. Trey
Hendrickson has reported to camp for the Cincinnati Bengals. As
he continues to hold in. We believe that maybe the
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sides are getting closer on a deal. If Hendrickson would
end up reporting, grinned he doesn't want to have the
fines that he was accruing. So Hendrickson shows up today,
it feels like it's a completely different situation with Micah
Parsons are taking in and being present in Cowboys camp,
and we now have this report saying that the Dallas
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Cowboys and Micah Parsons are actually moving in the wrong direction.
Adam Schefter reported that the sides are actually further apart
than they were when they were talking about a contract
in late March and early April. And the exact quote is,
the two sides have gone backwards, not forwards. I don't
think they're speaking very much these days, if at all.
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This negotiation, when it was a negotiation, has gone so
ways it's not a negotiation right now. There's really no
conversation about getting a deal done.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Can I ask two follow up questions? Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
The first one impact that a TJ. Watt contract which
broke when all of us were together a few weeks ago.
Impact that that may have had on negotiations, I think zero, okay.
And the only reason being is because age wise, like
you're gonna pay Micah Parsons, and if we're talking about
a million dollars a year or honestly two hundred and
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fifty thousand dollars a year because you just want to
top the next guy. That's what we've seen a lot,
you know, throughout like That's that's what I think. Unless
they want to do and as crazy as it sounds,
a dak deal where you just completely overpay him more
than anybody else, which I think also then makes this
more difficult, is maybe that's what Micah Parsons is wanting.
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But I don't think that TJ. Watt's number came in.
I think they are probably working more off of the
Miles Garrett number than they would be of what TJ.
Watt got, So it was going to be higher than Garrett.
And if I'm Micah Parsons, I would want a little
bit more than what I would want more than what
Garrett got.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And if it's TJ. Watt, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
How that necessarily changes their position unless he's now saying, well,
you're giving an old guy this much money, now I
want X amount more.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't think that's the case. Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Second question, how much did Jerry Jones's comments over the
last ten days or so impact the fact that these
conversations may be moving quote backwards?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I don't think they help. How can they? Right? Yep?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I mean when you're then now rating the decibel level
of ceedee lamb chance to Micah Parsons Chance, that's when
it becomes personal. I think all of this is business,
so I think that that does play a part in it.
And for the sides to be further away than they
were when Jerry wasn't talking as much about it in
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the early spring springtime area, late winter, early spring, I
think that that does hamper things. Now, you can make
it all said and good when you sign a contract
and you forget that stuff. But if Adam Schefter is
saying that there's no negotiation right now, and Jerry Jones
is worrying about whose chants are louder and who's aren't. Yeah,
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like the old saying like if you listen to the fans,
you're gonna be sitting with them. It's difficult when it's
the orner and GM, But yeah, I think that's I
think it's that would bother me if I'm Micah Parsons
in hearing those comments from Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, I think to me, without having maybe some context
that we all need, just my first reaction is, I
actually think the narrative that makes the most sense to
me is the one that you said with Dak Prescott,
is that Jerry has kind of just set the precedent
that if you're a homegrown cowboy that was drafted by
the organization and you've done right by him and you've
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whatever that, the assumption is not only are you going
to get your contract, you are going to get overpaid
in the process of getting that contract. To me, that's
my first, just gut initial reaction of Parsons come in
expecting to blow out the water of every other defensive
lineman or defensive player that's ever gotten a you know,
an extension or a deal, and Jerry is probably trying
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to do something more in line with the market. That
was my first reaction. So I don't know if that's
crazy from your.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Perspective, Do you think TJ. Watt's contract affected this at all.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
No, I actually don't think so because to your point one,
obviously the age difference. I I don't think the TJ.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Watt thing did. I just think that.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Let me ask you, like, don't we kind of have
like all of the most recent big negotiations for the Cowboys,
haven't it felt like? And I can't go through every
single one, but haven't it felt Hasn't it felt like
the majority of them, the Cowboys have kind of come
out on the wrong side of them. But the sentiment
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has been from Jerry and the front office is like,
we take care of our own, we do this, we
do that. So that to me is what I feel.
I don't think TJ. Watt had as much to do
with it as again a Dak Prescott did, as other
guys have in the past. You know, I was thinking
about while you were talking. Remember the Jalen Smith contract
about four or five years ago. Yea, And even in
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real time people were like, oh, that's not gonna age well,
but it was like, well, they drafted him when coming
off that injury at Notre Dame and nobody believed in them,
and Jerry gave him a chance and this is such
a great reward, and it is kind of the old
cliche of are you paying for past production or future production?
And that one in the moment felt like, Yeah, they're
kind of paying for the narrative and the story rather
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than the player they're gonna have over the next.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Couple of years.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
And I just bring it up because to me, I
almost feel like that's part of the Cowboys brand now,
is they're so worried about taking care of their own
even if it comes at the detriment of the team,
the salary cap whatever. And I just wonder if that
might have been the thought process from Michael Parsons coming
in as aw, not only am I gonna get what
I deserve, I'm gonna get more, I'm gonna get that
cowboy tax packed onto it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, why does it start with me? Now? That's how
you're saying.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
If you're Michael Parsons, why is it so then you
end up taking it personally. The funny thing with the
history is you mentioned Jalen Smith. I go back to
the Ezekiel Elliott deal where they paid him early because
Jerry had talked about like I don't want and I'm
paraphrasing I'm older. I don't want to die and not
win a Super Bowl. Our window is now. I want
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to make sure that our bell Cow is taken care of.
I'm completely paraphrasing what Jerry Jones said, but they paid
Ezekiel Elliott way earlier than they would because they were
in it at that point. They were in that window.
So then we look at it and say, wow, you
take care of Ezekiel Elliott. You don't take care of
these other people, and including Dak Prescott, what are you doing? Well,
then he completely overpays Dak Prescott when he does and
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makes us forget about Ezekiel Elliott. Granted that was, you know,
a few more years ago than it is now, but
now we look at the Dak deal and if you're
Micah Parson saying, yeah, why don't I get that? And
you took care of Ceed Lamb, So yeah, there is
a reason on why you would feel you'll make it
feel personal. I think this is a part of a
bigger story, though, and it's not just a Cowboys thing.
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I think it's an NFL thing. And the reason that
I say that, Aaron is because I don't think that
Jerry Jones has handled these negotiations well, and for some reason,
there's always something about it. I also feel that the
Cowboys have done a decent job in acquiring some talent
through the draft, but for some reason haven't put everything together. Honestly,
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like the Dak Prescott pick, whether he like him or
not where he was drafted, has worked out magnificently. You know, yes,
absolutely so can't You can't disregard any of that. But
for the Cowboys to continue to be mediocre and Rich
Davis and Cavino and Rich brought up the stat yesterday
that every team in the NFC has been in an
NFC championship game more recently than the Cowboys have has
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got to be a shot right between the eyes to
Jerry Jones, because it's his team, but it's not only
his team as an owner, it's his team as the
guy who's running, you know, as a general manager. And
in a way I feel that Jerry Jones incompetence has
held back the NFL in some ways. And the reason
I say that is I think the NFL needs the
Dallas Cowboys. And when we look at the NFL right
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now and we think it's the strongest as it ever is,
we don't have their number one brand firing on all cylinders.
This league would be on absolute fire if Dallas was
good again. And I think Jerry Jones's actions have really
withdrawn and taken the Dallas Cowboys and taken the NFL
and not allowed them to progress. The Cowboys are there
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with the Yankees, they're there with the Lakers. Their brand
is their brand, and they have not been a great
football team for thirty years, yet we still are constantly
talking about them. We're talking about Jerry Jones. Imagine, and
I don't know what year you were actually born, Aaron,
So I apologize for this time.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Okay, perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It was a different NFL then, and everybody hates the
Cowboys then, and the Cowboys fans love the Cowboys. Temperature
was high in the NFL and without having your biggest
brand succeed, I think it is very damaging to the NFL.
And I think that it's the fault of Jerry Jones
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and how these things have taken place, because the NFL
could be on an even higher level if their biggest
brand was worth a darn so.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
A couple things one.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
So it is funny because I do remember the early
nineties and it is interesting that there is a huge
generation of people that they're kind of the Cleveland Browns.
They're kind of the Jacksonville Jaguars. You know, they've won
enough where they've made enough Playoff appearances. But like I
have a nephew, he's twenty I think twenty four or
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twenty five years old, clearly do the math. He was
born after the last Super Bowl to him, and he's
a Cowboys fan, and they're just a joke that something's
gonna go wrong at the worst possible time, like that
is his memory of the Dallas Cowboys. I think it's
interesting though, because your point is that the NFL cannot
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fire on all cylinders if the Cowboys aren't great. Let
me ask you the opposite. Do you think it's helped
the other brands grow because obviously the narrative on the
NFL is Mahomes is in Kansas City, Josh Allen's at Buffalo.
The greatest dynasty we've seen is in New England. And
I think it's actually helped. And I'll use an analogy
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is we live in Los Angeles. The Lakers suck up
the oxygen in the NBA, whether they're good or not,
and I think in a lot of ways. It's held
back the NBA of we should be celebrating the Oklahoma
City Thunder, but instead we're breaking down a JJ Reddick
pregame press conference because he freaked out about something after
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losing in the first round of the playoffs. And so
I think it's held back the NBA that when we
don't know what to talk about, we just default to
what's going on with the Lakers. Obviously Lebron has been
a factor, but even when Lebron wasn't there, even in
those years with Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram, it was
still you talked about the Lakers. And I think it's
actually held back the NBA because it feels like there's
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always that easy default, and I think it's actually I
think it's actually helped the NFL that they've struggled, because
it proves that one, you don't need one brand, but two,
to your point, when that brand is firing on all cylinders,
does it overshadow everything else? And maybe we wouldn't be
celebrating some other stuff as much as we are if
the Cowboys were really.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Most everybody has a favorite team in the NFL. I'm
not sure if that's the case in the NBA, Like
I'm not sure everybody has a favorite team in the
NBA when you're a fan, and I think that there
is with the NFL. I just look at the NFL
teams right now, and I'm not talking about all thirty
two of you know, even going down a road of
Cleveland or Jacksonville. I'm just saying, our most dominant team
right now is the Kansas City Chiefs. And I know
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they lost the Super Bowl, but who here is sick
of the Chiefs? Raise their hand? Anybody and nobody else? Iowa, Sam,
are you absolutely?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, I am as well. Monzi is not. Monzy gave
a thumbs down. Who was sick of the Patriots during
their run? Show of hands? I was absolutely was. You
may get sick of the Dallas Cowboys, but I don't
think that lessons you're angst and hate towards the Dallas
Cowboys when they're rolling. They are the ultimate villain. I
grew up in a time in Major League Baseball. Aaron
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I was born in the late seventies, forty eight years old.
The Yankees weren't the Yankees in the nineteen eighties. They
weren't the Yankees until the mid nineteen nineties. It wasn't
until I was in you know, late in high school
and in college that I understood this is the Yankees.
This is the Yankees. And now for the last thirty years,
I understand what the Yankees are and they're championships and
who they are as a franchise. But in the nineteen eighties,
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mid nineteen eighties to the mid nineteen nineties, they were
kind of like the Cowboys were to me, and I
didn't necessarily understand it. Then they started winning, and it's
a different feel. It's a different Baseball is different when
the Yanks are good. It just it is. And I
feel that way with the Lakers as well. It's actually
one of the problems that the NBA has had is
you don't have enough good, high brand teams in the West.
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Until the Warriors came along. The Lakers had to carry
so much water in being the Western Conference representative. Otherwise
your NBA finals are kind of like, oh, it's a downer.
Thank goodness for the NBA. The Warriors came along and
gave you another team to actually care about, where when
you're talking brand wise in the NBA, you could you
could have the Knicks you could have the Celtics, you
could have the seventy six ers, you had the Bulls,
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you have these other brands coming up in the NFL.
I just think that the Cowboys are above everyone else
when it comes to brand wise and the moves that
Jerry Jones has made and trying to make the Star
in the Star what it is. But as a general manager,
it's actually held back the NFL because they haven't had
their trewe top brand be successful and really allow the
league to maximize on all cylinders. I just think people
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would hate the Cowboys if they were fourteen and three
going to Super Bowls, going to an NFC championship game.
I think it's a different feel and I think that
this is kind of I think it's unfortunate that there's
a bit of a malaise over the Cowboys. The win
total was seven and a half this season, and I
just don't think that's good for the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, I I'm trying to I had a way to
frame it and I kind of forgot, But I think
it would make the league more interesting if they were
really good. I don't know that it's like holding back
the league, though. I think that those are two different things. Like,
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I do think it would make things more interesting if
you kind of checked in every week with a rooting
interest of God cow because when I was a child,
that was like, man, like you know Michael Irvin, Deon Sanders,
who we know had a pretty heavy week, but like
you rooted against those guys. I guess just it's interesting
because I still think we tune into the Cowboys, but
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it's for a different reason, and it's because even when
things are going well, it feels like we know that
the crashing downfall is going to be spectacular.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
By the way, they never disappoint with that regard. So yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I think there's a difference between It would probably the
best version of the NFL would have the Cowboys good
because people would care. I also don't know that that
necessarily means the NFL is being held back though, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
If you had your perfect super Bowl, like in the NFC,
what team are you putting there?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Oh, it'sout the with I mean without the context of
who's on what team? Yeah, right now it's probably the Cowboys.
But it's because I mean, I don't know if Mahomes
was in the the NFC instead of the AFC. Would
we still say Cowboys? Probably, but I'm not sure, you know.
I mean when Aaron Rodgers with the Packers, I don't
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think people would default to the Cowboys because it was
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I don't, but I think that's because of Aaron Rodgers.
I think.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Like, but right now, like with Jordan Love, like, nobody's like, yeah,
I'd rather have the Packers in, But we're doing that
with Dallas, Like, like, I think we would do that
with Dallas because of who they are. Well, that's what
I mean as a matter who the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I think with the context of not if if every
roster was blank and we were just putting logos, yeah,
it would probably be Steelers Cowboys. But that's not how
it works, you know. I Mean that's like saying, would
you like, would I rather watch the Steelers or the
Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes or the Baltimore Ravens
with Lamar Jackson. I'd rather watch the Baltimore Ravens with
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Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But if it's just.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
The Baltimore Ravens logo versus the Pittsburgh Steelers logo, which
one elicits more emotion from me, it's obviously the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I think if the NFL could pick, they would pick
the Chiefs, and they'd pick the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
The Chiefs because of Mahomes though not because of the logo,
not because of the brand.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Correct and and I'm sick of the Chiefs, like so
like so like the like. The the feel to me
is is the Cowboys. Maybe you would throw in a Buffalo.
I just I don't think it's close in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
But that's what I'm saying. Is it an NFC problem,
not a Cowboys problem? Like when Brady was on that
we didn't care about the Bucks before after, but when
they had Brady they matter. So I mean, I think
you can argue that Cowboys are the only brand that
we care about if they're really good, but we also
kind of want to tune in if they're really bad.
I think you can absolutely argue that. I just think
they're probably the only brand that we I think it's fair.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I think it's fair. I think you're making my point.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, I think now that I'm talking it through, they're
probably the only brand that we tune into when they's
like like clearly when Dak's hurt and they're on their
four string quarterback whatever. But when they are operating as
something close to one hundred percent, yes, we tune in.
So I maybe I am making your point.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Jason Stewart's our executive producer.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Isn't I think we can run into a problem watch
here on this show and probably in sports talk like
the Cowboys weren't really interesting?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh dude, yeah, well.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
We Jamar and I have had that on our show.
Is like, are they a topic anymore? Like they are
a topic because they're the Cowboys, but there's nothing interesting
about them and.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
They're bad, and so I mean that's why I think,
like I'll take the question like does the NFL need
them to be good? I'll just do they need them
to be at least interesting if you have interesting personalities.
I remember when they when they hired Brian Schottenheimer and
there was a kind of that scant rumor that maybe
Dion Sanders was in the mix. And you imagine the
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Cowboys hiring Dion Sanders and they hired the exact opposite,
coming off a year where they just weren't very relevant.
So well, I would say the NFL needs them to
be interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Well, and that's my broader point on them is I
think they've kind of become a punching bag of like
you just like everybody is supposed to be in on
the like like there's like there's some inside joke inside
that building that we're supposed to be in on, and
we're just not like, Oh, you're gonna go hire Dion,
You're gonna go hire Belichick, You're gonna go hire Saban,
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Oh you hired Brian Schottenheimer. And it's like, maybe maybe
it's the reverse of what I said, is like we
expect them to be something that they are never gonna be.
I don't I'm not articulating myself. Well, I'll throw it
over to my you'll make my mind center wants in on.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So you guys very kind of include me in your emails,
you know. And when I saw this original topic, I
thought you made a good point Aaron in general of like.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, she's gonna stab me
in the back a little bit. I thought you made
a good point of it. But I agree with Dan
that it's like it would be great for the NFL
if the Cowboys were good. Now, maybe interesting is another
part of it, But you know, Jerry Jones to me
is still very interesting because he's just.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
So and funny.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
I mean, he's old and funny to me, guys, I
can't so I think it helps the league.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I think I think that.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I think the Cowboys at one and sixteen and eight
and eight are the same thing. I think the Cowboys
at fourteen and three and rolling your year are just
a different animal.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
But they've been fourteen and three in the last twenty
years and nobody's believed in them.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Sure that.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I don't want to say that they're one offs. They
have been top seeds if you took the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys,
which is truly the last time that like and you
put that like, I think the NFL is even better
than it is right now because of we just don't
have that right now. We think the Eagles are the
best team, but we're not necessarily sure if the Cowboys
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are in the mix. It doesn't matter on who is
two and three and four. Everybody's gunning for Dallas and
and them being at this malaise of just mediocrity on
a league that is super strong as it is. I
think he can only get better. And that's that's my point.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I will say, to your point, I think they're probably
the only team that we tune into for the logo yep,
Pittsburgh Steelers. I know they have Rogers. Maybe that's a
bad example right now. But to your point, Jordan Love,
I find him to be not even one of the
fifteen most interesting stories in the league. I just the
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Packers don't interest me at all. Steelers obviously irrelevant for
a while. If Patrick Mahomes decided to retire tomorrow, no
one cares about that. I mean, look at look at
how quickly it just fell off. With the Patriots, it's
like they're the greatest honisty ever with the greatest coach
and the greatest quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
We don't care. Yeah, I'm a Seahawks fan.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Without Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll primetime games, you know,
most of it's I see you later. They're not they were.
They were in primetime games all the time. You know
those leave. But with the Cowboys, Dak Prescott, who were
not even sure is great or not. I think he's good,
we're not sure he's great. And he's still a topic
good conversation because he's the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys,
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all right, He's erin torre As. I'm Dan Byer in
for Doug Gottlieb. Here on a Wednesday on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 3 (24:55):
He's erin tore As. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Today,
Doug taking in some day baseball Mont see Blanyas. He'll
have an update for us about what's happening in Milwaukee
between the Cubs and Brewers. Doug taking in that NL
Central showdown. Hit aerin up at Aaron Underscore Torres. You
can find me at Dan Byer on Fox MONTI will
have the update in five minutes for us. We are
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going to dive into college football because camps are opening.
We had Dion Sanders making the announcement that he battled
bladder cancer this past summer. It's going to return to
coaching full time. Great to hear Dion is cancer free.
Aze doctor, say ay, ask you a quick question. I'm
me to cut you off. I know you're in. That
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press conference was ten Pacific, eleven Mountain. I would imagine
there was a possibility. Prepping for the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Did you hear the Dion press conference live?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I did not know. I just heard the clips that No,
it was.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
It was pretty surreal live because you know you're going
in you know he has this health problem, and you
know you have these buckets. You know, some people think that, oh,
he's you know, announcing that you know, whatever it is,
he's fine. You have some people think that there's some
serious health issue. You have some people think, oh, he's
retiring because he only wanted to coach his son. So
I just asked because I saw it live having no
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idea what to expect, and when they drop some of
the stuff that they dropped, it was pretty heavy, and
I thought, because of the workflow that you have getting
ready for this show and everything that you might have
seen it love. That was the only reason I ask.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It's also on the drive in as well, so driving
into work. But he is Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Beyer,
Jason Stewarts here, as is Iowa Sam We mentioned Manti
at the news desk. College football takes center stage for
another reason, because the debate continues. Media days are wrapped
up camps are now open, but the debate continues over
the format. We still don't know in the future if
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we're going to have a twelve school or a sixteen
school format, and what the format would be if we
end up changing the format of the bracket that is
currently one year old in its current form, which by
the way, is changed from the previous form already. This
is what this is what's at stake here. The SEC
and others want five automatic bids for the conference champions
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and eleven at large bids. The Big Ten now seemingly
by themselves, want a scenario where they in the SEC
get four automatic bids, the Big twelve and the ACAC
get two automatic bids. You have a group of six
champion that would get an automatic bid, and then you
would have three at large bids. And it seems that
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the other leagues, to my surprise, Big twelve in ACC
are now signing with the SEC and all of this,
and the Big ten feels like it's the lone wolf.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Tony Petiti supported it at the Big Ten Media Days,
says he feels that it's the fairest I'm on the
side of that erin because I don't know as crazy
as it sounds, and Brett or Mark and say what
he wants. I don't know if the other conferences know
what they're getting into if they do a five plus eleven.
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I think that on the surface, it looks like it's
open up to everyone, but in how we consume college
football and how we judge college football, I just don't
think that's the case, especially for those league members, and
so in a way, it's kind of a take what
you can get and then maybe there's more on the backside.
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I just don't see a scenario where if you're the
ACC or the Big Twelve, that you're getting four schools
into a full into this bracket, so you better take
what you can get so you don't end up having
just one school in. That's why I support the Big
Ten in their their reasoning for having the four plus
four and others.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Okay, so it's really interesting that you frame it that way,
because that was my initial thought.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I remember whenever this format first started.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I remember actually talking to Chris Plank, who hosts on
weekends along you know, not with me, but on the
you know, same time windows whatever. He Obviously, Oklahoma football
is very heavily involved and I think he and I
are both of our defaults were great for the ACC,
You're gonna get a second team, even though most years
you haven't had a second team.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
That's worthy.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
The counter that I have heard that I do think
makes sense is that by default, because we call them,
we call them the power four right, the SEC, the
Big Ten, the ACC, and the Big Twelve. I think
in theory we know the ACC the SEC have more
power than the other two conferences and certainly everybody else
in college football. But by doing the four four two
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two one model, besides all the other stuff, which we
can get into if we have time, I don't know
if we will, the ACC and Big Twelve are also
unofficially admitting that they are not actually on the same
level as the Big Ten and the SEC. And so
I actually see both sides from that perspective. Again, I
remember talking about it six months ago of like, ACC
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should be thankful get that second team in. But then
I do think it's a fair point of you're basically
acknowledging that we're calling you the power for. We may
know that you're not really the power for, but this
actually tangibly proves that it's a power too. And then
two behind them.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
And you're saying, in an indirect way, you're admitting that
you're not only up to that level, but that your
resume is not sufficient because you're at that second tier.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
The resume would speak for itself, but I think it's
a public perception thing. And then it gets into the
recruiting stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Go go, I don't think the resume does speak for itself
if you're if you're considered a lower one. And the
reason being is I think that we don't look at
the resumes in the right way.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's the argument of the SEC.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I think that I think that we and I actually
feel like we look at the SEC in eight game
schedule versus nine game schedule is a topic that's talked
about a lot. We focus so much on losses in
college football, and so the fewer losses you get, the
better it is for you. And there is in college basketball.
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If you have a thirty and four team and one
that's twenty nine to five negligible, you're not sitting there saying,
but a four lost team to a five lost team
in college football, or a three loss team to a
four lost team, we are it's a cavern. And I
feel that when you're looking at this, when you take
those three losses by a school and say, well, look
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they only had three losses, and you take the four school,
you take the worst loss of the fourth of the
four loss school, and then you harp on that, and
that to me is the problem is. I do feel
like the SEC would get an advantage. I do think
that there is an SEC biased and so biased when
you are deciding then with the eleven at large, we're
always going to default to the SEC because we think
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it's a gauntlet of a league. And I don't know
how the other conferences don't see that, like I feel
the actually the Big Ten is in a way of like, okay,
no offense, Iowa Sam. I'm gonna use Iowa as an example.
But if the Big Ten has their version of their
playing games, which is another level of all of this,
and a six seed Iowa comes in and ends up
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upsetting the third seed Penn State Nitney Lions, and Iowa
gets the you know, gets the at large bid. Iowa
earned it because that's what was at stake at that time,
where I think the sixth place team in the SEC
without that format, people would still say, well, Arkansas is
pretty good. They were eight and you know they were
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six and two in conference. This year they were eight
and four or nine and four overall. Like that's like
I think we look at what the SEC does in
their fifth and sixth place team would get an advantage
over others or at least the Big ten is saying
we're gonna put ours to the test really quick.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
That was the entire and this was the biggest takeaway
that I had from the twelve team playoff era for
a year. One is that no matter how many teams
you let in, the SEC is always going to argue
that they should get more. And the argument last year was,
I mean, Alabama, will they beat Georgia, Well, they beat
South Carolina. It's like, yeah, they also lost to Vanderbilt,
and they also lost to a bad Oklahoma team, and
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so it's like, I like, I think there's absolutely something
to that. From the p of there's just this default
that losses shouldn't matter in the SEC and that win
should mean more. And I don't think that's the case.
And I think, you know, it's something we don't have
time to talk about now, but it's like I do
wonder what it will actually take for that perception change
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because we're coming off back to back seasons where the
Big Ten has won the national championship, back to back
seasons where the SEC didn't even play for a national championship.
And I'm just curious how long it takes before the
public admits it, because now the argument has gone from
we're definitively the best team to the best league too.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, we haven't had a champion in two years, but
we're the deepest league.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
And it's like, okay, so how many more years until
we acknowledge that maybe the Big ten is as deep
that maybe the best team in the Big twelve?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Cam? You know?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
So, I it's a nuanced conversation. I know we got
to get to Monzi, but there's a lot of layers
to this.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'll just quickly say this and Manzi be ready, then
we will go to you quick. The question of heading
into this year that I think is interesting in all
this is is the SEC in a better spot than
they or a year ago? And I say yes, for
the sole reason of sm you lost to Penn State.
I know Arizona took Texas to the wire, but they
ended up losing. Boise State lost to Penn State, so
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you had a final four of two Big ten teams,
an SEC team and Notre Dame. And so now when
you're looking at the schools that did bow out, Clemson
loses to Texas in that case, you're like, well, look
those schools in Big twelve in the the ACC. Then
they didn't really do much damage. So now if you're
the committee and you're trying to tilt, which we've seen
at times, Mountain West gets screwed, Mountain West gets screwed
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all of a sudd mount West has six teams in
the NCAA tournament for men's basketball. Like now the SEC,
there's this shift of maybe ACC and Big twelve isn't
a strong so let's put these SEC schools in.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Can I make one thirty second? Yes? Point.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I think that's actually why this year is super important
for Clemson. Clemson has a team that is good enough
to compete with anybody in college football. If they get
to a playoff and they get blown out by Texas
or Georgia or whatever. I actually don't know if the
ACC ever recovers where I think it's the opposite. You
can build on that if they make a national championship,
beat the SEC, champion along the way.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
They have to be really.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Good by the way they open with LSU at Home.
That's a big game for them as well.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 3 (35:22):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. We had tooth talk
going on in the commercial break. We'll save that for
another day. He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Beyer in for Doug.
The moler of this team right now is at the
news desk. Monty Belano says, a game, let's play it.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
You know the ones that do all the work for us.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Yeah, the grinders, the grinders I do, grind my teeth.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I can't believe we're not playing.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Is he all right?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
What are we playing?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
For?
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Better?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Be here? I would leave for the three minutes? Would
Aaron can handle? Yes? Is he I okay?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
For better or worse?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Fellas I Got Dibbs or he? I he?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That's a game that Mancy plays in place of I
Got Dibbs when I'm out on Fridays, and I think
it's the worst game. Aaron, You know me and taking pride. Yeah,
I just I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Is he all right? Okay, we're not playing that. Stop Okay, No,
we're not playing that. We're playing for better or worse.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
The Osborne's were keeping up with the Kardashians, guys.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I will say that the Osborne's was better than the
keeping up of the Kardashians because I feel it was first, sure,
and so everything that kind of fell in line. I
know we argued, you know, Real World was prior to that,
but the celebrity going into the celebrity homes, I feel
that the Osbourne's were the first to do it, so
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just almost by default, it was better because it was
more original.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I'm going to go along. I haven't watched the Kardashians.
I say, better or worse? Which one's better?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
And worse?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah or worse?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yeah, the Osbourne's I'm looking now. It's just it never
really did it for me.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Now.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
It was at a weird.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Time two thousand and two, so I was kind of
in that like high school range where I got a
lot of stuff going on, Say the Kardashians. I like
the Kardashians. I got no everyone asks BF for the Kardashians.
I don't get it. The family make a lot of
money for them.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
I actually it was the girl who did impressions of
Courtney Kardashian on TikTok that made me want to like
learn more about Courtney Kardashians. She was such a you
know what to her like to Kim funny and it
was very funny funny. But I've never I can't say
that I sat down and watched an episode.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
You've never seen one episode on the.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Hearts like, but I can't say like from you know,
start to finish, and I've seen fights and I saw
this slap in the.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Sood I mean something that one episode. It was every
episode ever.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
But I remember when Jack Osbourne saw that the McRib
was back, and I still when it comes back, it's like, oh,
the mcgrab the McRib.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I want to say the Osbourne family was is more
normal than the Kardashians.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
In a way.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
They were absolutely and that's so I feel like, yeah,
the Kardashians are worse, but that makes it more entertaining.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Well, really quick, the Osbourne's are almost like happy Gilmore too.
They just were who they were and they didn't try
to be more The Kardashians started as one thing and
tried to leverage themselves into something more over the course
of twenty years of that series.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
So shout out.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
And now they're billionaires, all of them practically, so they're
the better.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Gilmore too, is great, but that's another conversation that's to
be debated, and that's game time.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
It is game time.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
You know what this week is Aaron Torres Hall of
Fame game it is It's the return of football. It's
also the return of the induction ceremony coming up on Saturday.
New members going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
This on the heels of Baseball's Hall of Fame last week,
but we talk about the gridiron. If the NFL were
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to stop today, what current player is in the Hall.
We'll tell you next on Fox Sports Radio.