August 15, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan and Monse in for Doug as they react to the NCAA's announced punishment for Michigan football in the wake of the sign-stealing scandal. Dan and Monse discuss the NBA's highlighted games in their schedule release. Dan and Monse welcome Browns reporter Zac Jackson from The Athletic to talk about Shedeur Sanders, the quarterback situation and all of the major headlines around Browns' training camp. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron hosts gametime as the show participates in the game I Got Dibbs!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Car.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
If there's anything that you have learned today, it's that
you might as well cheat. You might as well do it.
I'm not saying on your taxes. I'm not saying on
your significant other. All I'm saying is wherever you want
to bend the rules, your models will do it, because,
gosh darn it, you may actually get away with it.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It seems like it's okay. It's just frowned upon, Dan,
It's just frowned upon.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It reminds me, and I know this isn't This is
kind of a local story to southern California, but I
felt it was so crazy. You don't think I want
to throw up already? Chris Purfett like, this is, oh
my goodness. We had a car chase the week where
someone hijacked carjacked three different vehicles in southern California, including
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a tanker of milk, and they still got away, and
we are still looking for them, and by we, I
mean law enforcement officials, not me on my own time,
but they somehow got away. And you're like, how in
the world did they get away with it? That pales
in comparison to what's happened with the University of Michigan
and their cheating football program.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
How did I miss this pursuit?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yes, you didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I didn't even hear about it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'll tell you why, because I think it was volleyball night.
So that's why I think it was volleyball.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Man I, No, No, nothing happens on Tuesdays.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And we're going to get into the Michigan thing. And
I will try not to bore you. I will try
not to go off on tangents. I will probably just
let Mancy take the reins, because she's the most level
headed one of us here on this topic. But if
I were to say to MONCIZI, let's do a show
together on Thursday night, You'll be like, it's my mom's birthday,
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but let's do it Saturday. Guess what, it's my boyfriends.
They're honoring him at work here because of his great work.
But I can do it, Manzi, can you play on
volleyball or can you do a show on volleyball? Sorry, Dan,
we can't do it. It is not going to be
able to work my by the way, indoor gymnasium volleyball, right,
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it's not like beach volleyball, like you're on the shores
of the Pacific Ocean. You don't want to miss it.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I am in a gym and I am diving, and
I come out bruised and all beat up, and it's
worth it, and you are not wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You know what you should do in your next match
on Tuesday. You should catch the ball and then just
throw it over the net and be like, what are
you going to do to me? Because that's essentially what
Michigan has done. And then when they ask why did
you do that, just don't talk to him because that's
also what Michigan did. They didn't cooperate with anything, and
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now get leveled with NCAA sanctions that really don't hit
at the heart of anything.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
No, this is nothing. This is a big time out.
That's it. This is a joke. And I don't even
care about Michigan.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I am not affected by any of this, but never
forget twenty seventeen when the ass shows cheated and against
the Dodgers. Never forget what is the big thing I've
been complaining about when it comes to that is that
nothing happened.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
They should have taken away.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
That championship in twenty seventeen from Houston and hear what's
happening with Michigan. Okay, so Harbaugh and Connor Stallions and
another guy, I have a timeout. That's all I'm reading
into this, and.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Manzi, it's even more than that. And I feel that
it is a bit of karma because I'm sure within
the last three weeks we've had a conversation with Jason Stewart,
our executive producer here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Isaac
Golo on Chronic Chris profedor here as well. You heard
Chris play that awful music earlier. Thing that when Jason
went and saw the Astros and Dodgers taunted jose L
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Twove and I, you know, just I brought up the
point of like nobody else cares, like only the Dodgers care,
and I felt that there was a similar sense to
the Michigan sign stealing scandal because Ohio State fans like
myself and Michigan State fans cared. Nobody else did. Nobody
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else seemed to care. But these certain fan bases and Manzi,
now that it comes down to what D Day is
and we see the punishment, it's so unfulfilling. And I
feel that in a way when I say, why are
you guys still mad about the Astros that's eight years ago,
I feel that that's payment for what happening. What's happening
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today because to your point of what these penalties are,
and for those that don't know, I'm going to read
them off at a second. But this just isn't the
sign stealing scandal. There was another scandal prior to this,
an other NCUBA violations when it came to recruiting and
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COVID dead periods, the periods that were violated by Michigan
where they also failed to cooperate, And so now you
have another nc doublea situation on top of that. So
it's not just an innocent sign stealing scandal. There seems
to be an organized effort to try to cut corners
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and do things their own way. And that's why when
people just say sign stealing, everybody does it? Is it
such a false phrase in a false opinion on what
this actually is for a school that now ends up
getting four years probation finds that could surpass thirty million
dollars with recruiting restrictions. Jim Harbaugh gets a ten year
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show cost penalty, by the way, on top of the
four year one that he got from the previous scandal.
Current head coach. That's right, current head coach, he's still
the head coach. Sharon Moore gets a two year show
cause order. Counter stallions the one who seemingly carried out
all of these deals, eight year show cause order he
was going to coach anyway in football again. Dond Robinson,
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a former player, three year show cause order who is
on staff, and then the fines would be determined on budget,
on postseason revenue, on scholarships. That's the penalty for Michigan
in doing their illegal sign stealing scandal on top of
the NCAA previous investigation.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
It's kind of crazy to think that we think we
know all the details, when in reality, if you're calling
something the.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Operation KGB, there's a lot more to it.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
There is a lot more that we actually will never know,
which is the big picture here, and.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
About the fines that's going to affect other parts of Michigan.
I feel, well, Michigan is not gonna take away from
their football program. They're not gonna take away from their
breadwinner and what brings in more money. So I feel
like these fines are gonna affect other parts of Michigan,
other athletes who literally had nothing to do with this,
and that simple punishment would have just been to vacate
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the championship.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
These timeouts that these guys are getting, it doesn't matter
these players that are still on the team that had
nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I understand what they're playing now. That team that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Cheated the KGB is what they're calling this Operation Connor Stallions.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
They kate the damn championship. It's not complicated, Dan, It's
really simple. It is really easy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It is really easy, especially Mancy, to add on to
your magnificent point when you talk about not wanting to
punish future generations of Michigan players and coaches who are
a part of this, this is part of the problem,
is giving them a postseason ban. People said, well, these
players aren't a part of that. Well, you have a
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current head coach who was still a part of it.
When you have Jim Harbaugh who skips out of town.
Jim Harbaugh's show cost penalties go through twenty thirty eight.
He's going to be seventy five years old at that time.
You think he's going to want to get back into
college football when he's seventy five years old. No, he
has no intentions of ever going back to college football
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because he achieved what he wanted to achieve, and that's
bringing a national championship to his alma mater at any
cost possible, doing everything that you just laid out. The
simplicity of how you laid it out is magnificent, because
that's what it comes down to. If you struck them
at the core of taking away that national championship, you
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would hear an argument of people saying, we saw them
play on the field, we saw that they were the
better team. There's no denying it. That is incorrect because
all of those wins and the wins leading up to
building that team were aided by the fact that they
had improper and illegal intelligence on other schools. So it
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was part of that. Even when they gave the Big
Ten gave Michigan a three game ban and gave Jim
Harbaugh a three game ban as this was unfolding during
that season. The three game ban was just a slap
on the wrist, and now it pials absolutely in comparison.
They really didn't have the Big Ten anything to stand
on to do anything to give them a penalty. But
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they also realized that Michigan is their cash cow and
was on their way to a national championship. So there's
a whole other argument of other people benefiting from Michigan's
national championship, including the Big Ten at that time. But
to your point of when Michigan is going to look
back on their national championship team ten years from now,
fifteen years from now, they'll probably do it five years
from now, they're going to get the loudest ovation because
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they came through this scot free. Essentially, Jim Harbaugh when
he walks back into Ann Arbor and at the Big House,
will get the loudest ovation because they will be honoring
their national championship team that you correctly said should have
been taken away because of these sanctions. And that's the
most difficult part about it is there are a lot
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of arguments, and Doug was in for Colin Cowherd earlier today,
saying that these financial ramifications are going to limit the
school and limit the program in the future. We'll see,
we'll see how much that happens. But right now, people
want flesh, they want blood, They want an eye for
an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, and an essence.
It feels that Michigan got away almost scott free.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
They absolutely got away with it.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
And if I'm any other school and I'm paying attention
to this, and I've got maybe a coach that's like,
you know, I'm ready to retire in a couple of years,
why don't we chi and just get a fall guy
because we know they're not going to vacate the championship
and then we're good. This that's just a bad precedent.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I think that the sign stealing scandal on the surface
is not as major if it would have been the
one off, right, but it's not the one operation. This
was well, it was not only an operation Manzi. It's
on top of the previous scandal right that went on
that they were then punished by the NC DOUBLEA. But
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it's also the failure to cooperate. Isn't that the other
thing that we have been told in terms of like,
if you're dealing with law enforcement, the cover up is
worse than the crime. And so when we look at
the crime of sign stealing, it may not be as
malicious as something. And there may be other operations that
aren't as elaborate as counter stallions did that are around
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college football that we don't know about. But it's the
fact that Michigan gave a stiff arm to the NC
DOUBLEA and Jim Harbaugh was the one who was not cooperating.
Sharon Moore is deleting evidence and text messages trying to
cover things up. They knew that they were cheating your
point of what it's labeled. Knew that they were cheating,
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and then they said to the NC DOUBLEA, well, we're
not going to cooperate as much as you would have hoped.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
And the NC DOUBLEA said, okay, thank you, well chat later.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I know they're powerless. I know like that like in
essence to some extent, But the fact that, as you said,
they didn't take away what actually means most and honestly
was at the core of doing this was beating the
best teams in the country, winning your rivalry game against
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Ohio State, and ultimately winning a national championship were the
reasons you were doing all of these things. To have
that goal not taken away from you is an absolute travesty.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
It just seems like such a simple punishment to give out.
But the NC double A just is turning their head.
They're just it's not there. To them, it's not worth it.
They're like, no, no, go ahead, we don't care. We don't
care enough to actually punish you the right way.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You're going to read many people's opinions. You're going to
hear many people's opinions. It's just very simple. They cheated,
They got what they wanted and essentially got away in
the getaway car.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yes, and it's okay.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Jim Harbough's off to the NFL. If they win a
Super Bowl this year, it's the greatest year of his life, right,
I mean, if they got yes, they if they don't,
it's and this would be a part of that year.
That's what this is all about. A ten year show
cause on top of the one that he's already serving
again for another cheating scandal. It's just absurd. I had
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wanted to. I'd wondered when this story was going to break,
and then when I found out yesterday that the news
was going to come down today, and we had expected
it before the upcoming season, because he didn't know if
there was going to be a postseason ban for them.
Postseason bands are a little bit different now because of
the expanded playoff. Previously, you're like, oh, well, we were
eight and three, we missed an Outback Bowl. Not that
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not as big of a deal as it would be
as Hey, we could have been in the twelve team playoff.
That really could have hit them as well, and you
would have had people associated with the program that were involved,
so they could have been You could have been punishing
the people that meant to be punished and maybe the
other eighty percent weren't. But ultimately, Manzi, if you just
took away what meant the most to them, I think
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a lot of people would be satisfied.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Of course, but even a ban for the postseason. I
know it sucks because some players weren't a part of this.
I get all that, but at least that shows that
the NCAA is actually taking this seriously. If you wouldn't
have vacated that championship and you would have put a
ban on the postseason. I would have been all right,
at least there's something. It just truly feels like a
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time out. It truly feels like nothing I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And Michigan essentially admitted that there was the scandal, so
they've admitted it. Ultimately the object or the what was it,
operation KGB.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
KGB was the name for it. According to Connor Stallion.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
The NCAA found out that they cheated, so it's tainted
and that's the most that we can take from it.
I have no idea how the Monday is going to
shake out in the future and how it's going to
affect their budget, how it's going to affect their football
program in four or five years.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
But so still affecting people that had nothing to do with.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
It, Yeah, exactly, Like still it's the effect further people
from it, but.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's it's the point of back to the Astros and
Dodgers is ninety five percent of Major League Baseball has
moved on. I think ninety five percent of college football
has moved on. And it's those that are, you know,
tight in Michigan. I'm seeing Michigan memes of parade flags
and people, you know, thumbs up and the whole guy
holding the girlfriend's hand and looking back, and it's like
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those memes of Michigan fans knowing that they got away
with it, and that's what's so annoying.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You know.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I actually think this one's a little bit worse, if
I'm being completely honest, then baseball, because I feel like
college football is so tight knit, like the fandom is different,
the fantom runs deep, So I think it's not just
ninety five percent has moved on.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I think that the astros knowing what pitch is coming
is a little different than understanding the plays totally. It's
the fact that Michigan just constantly tried to cut every
single corner and break rules to ultimately get to a
national championship program, and then they ultimately do so and
don't don't feel and those people, a majority of those
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people involved in that will not be penalized. Jim Harbaugh's
penalties are penalties, but they're not penalties since he's not
in college football. No, he's fine, completely missing the boat.
She's Monzi Bolangos, I'm dan Byer. Michigan finds out their
penalties today and a lot of people like me, are
I shouldn't say a lot, because again most people have
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moved on but just frustrated at the whole process. And again,
if you're gonna cheat, you might as well because if anything,
you found out that you could get away with it.
She's Manzi Bologno's hit her up at Monzie Bolognos. You
can find me at Dan Buyer on Fox. Jason Stewart's here,
as is Chris Profet and Isaac Glowinkron.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
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Speaker 3 (17:14):
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Speaker 4 (17:24):
What about Blue Sky?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Blue Sky? Had Dan Byer? I got to freak that up.
It's been a little it's been a little while.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Let's get you another follower, so you're up to what
forty seven?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
No, I've I cracked the two hundred wark a while ago.
Moncey oh okay, I'll grab my phone here in a
second and let you know what the official number is.
The special number right now is thirty four. It's the
maximum number of primetime games that the NBA wants teams
to appear in. And there are four teams as the
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NBA schedule came out that reached that magic number of
thirds before the Oklahoma City Thunder. You're defending NBA champions,
not a surprise. The Los Angeles Lakers. They could be
two and eighty and I think that they would get
thirty four primetime games the next season. The Golden State
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Warriors and the New York Knicks or the other team
that got the max prime time benefit from the NBA.
And I just I look at those teams, Manzi, and
I understand Oklahoma City, and it's kind of like, you
have to do that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You have to or else it would have been a
story in itself.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yes, the Knicks are obvious because they're the only team.
It feels like that the NBA has to market in
the Eastern Conference right now. And I know that Luca's
in LA and it's the Lakers, and I joke about
their record, but it's a Lebron and Steph thing. As
well with how big those brands are. But it just
is surprising to me, and it still feels like the
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NBA doesn't have any sort of plan on what life's
going to be like when Lebron and Steph leave at
some point. Shouldn't you take these other teams? Shouldn't you
take like a Timberwolves team, make sure that Anthony Edwards
are the Spurs who we think are going to be
really good, and just not shove them down our throats,
but they should be at the level of these other
teams that are also getting maximum primetime exposure.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
But but push them a little down our throats.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Not shove them, but push them a little.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Because I predict that let'shypothetically say the Thunder don't win
this year, right, it looks like the Thunder have a
good chance to repeat. But I feel like, if the
Thunder don't repeat next year, we're having this conversation. They're
not gonna have as many primetime games. They don't want
them to have that many primetime games. Sure, they did
it out of respect because you want and there are
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other teams that you're just like, really, these are not
teams that the Clippers are, like, not even on the list.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
When you saw the list of the teams with the.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Most primetime games, Clippers weren't even shown, And I was like,
how is that they're not even in the top ten
of the primetime games, which I'm a little bit surprised about,
because yes, I know we're the Unks. I know we
got all the old people, but Curry and Lebron are still,
you know, bringing in the attention.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Maybe I'm just being biased.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's because all your games are going to start at
two in the afternoon, because so it's not technically primetime
because the team is so old. Back, why they're going
to be in bed by seven when it's actually prime.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Time match James Harden, he's going to be out partying.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
The Timberwolves and Rockets were next with twenty eight. The
Spurs didn't even make the list of the top ten
teams to get the most TV games or streamed games.
I'd listen the Spurs of the two thousands, let's just
call them of the Tim Duncan era. We love Tim Duncan.
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He's the big fundamental. There's no flash right This Spurs
team has some flash in pizazz and an absolute unicorn
in Victor Wimbin Yama. How you do not have him
be the center point of what could be the future?
I have no idea, yes, no sense. The Mavericks got
twenty three games, and they have the number one overall
pick and a possible future star in the NBA. And
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while as much as I can't stand the Dallas landed
the Cooper Flag lottery, I feel they're being short changed
and getting the number of games that they got compared
to everybody else. Riding throughout the state of Ohio. That's
where we head now where Zach Jackson joins us. He
covers the NFL and the Cleveland Browns for the Athletic
You can find him on x at Akron Jackson. I
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mean other are you going to be able to get
home Zach today? I mean are their riots throughout the
state because of the Michigan punishments or lack thereof that
we found out today in college football.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I'm in Philadelphia. Oh okay, yeah, so I have heard
you know about it, and it is better there. Obviously,
Michigan's had the upper hands, so people are not pleased.
But I've been caught in the worst quarterback competition in
modern NFL history.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So joint practice is between the Browns and Eagles. The
sweet capped off by their preseason game coming up on Saturday.
So did last Friday's game with Shoud or Sanders change
anything in the pecking order of the Browns quarterback dilemma.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
No, it didn't change the pecking order. I think it
energized some of the sand base, you know, and then
he gets hurt after one more time out, so I
don't know if it energized like the locker room and stuff, right.
I think it did temporarily, But no, no order has
changed for over three weeks, and that's because Kenny Pickett,
who a lot of people believe that the team wanted
to win it, has not been a full participant since then.
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So Joe Flacco has been good, and I think really
really good in about four of the last five practices.
So he's won the job. But he really won the
job because there was no other competition because Dylan Gabriel
has not been good enough and Shador was not given
a chance and Shador is not ready. Let me be
clear about that. Shador is talented, and last Friday showed
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he's talented, and I think he's got a chance to
be an NFL starter. Down the road, but this competition
has never amounted, and it's to the point that three
of them have some level of injury we don't know,
and Tyler Huntley, who wasn't on the team, had to
come in and now it looks like he might play
the entire preseason tomorrow. So what a product that will be, Zach.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
You've been there since the beginning, with the Browns drafting
Schadur Sanders, so much surrounding him, so much attention.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Have you been surprised at it?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
How has he handled all of the eyes on him
from the start to now?
Speaker 7 (23:30):
From what we know, he's handled it all great. Right now,
it kind of feels like the interaction last week was
a setup with his camera crew happening to be there.
But that's the world we live in, keth Ron. Rookies
have camera crews, right, and kids do things different ways.
But I mean, from every impression I've gotten outside of
these beating tickets that he got, the team likes what
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he's done, how he's handled himself, how he's shown up
and asked questions, and his teammates love him. He's staying
on the field almost every day after for extra work
of some sort, and said, it's just weird with the injury,
and then it was extra deflating to the whole operation.
I don't think anybody can run with that, right, But
I am maybe a little bit surprised at a popularity.
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Not really, I thought I was braced for it. But
I think what's happened is the Shadoor crowd has made
it Shador versus Gabriel, right, and they're so mad that
he hasn't gotten first team reps. And hey, if you're
rooting for somebody like that, I get it, But I
just encourage people to think bigger because Shoudar versus Gabriel
is not even a contest, like he is so much
more talented, it's not even a contest. So the Browns
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have created this. They used the top one hundred pick
on Dylan Gabriel and then undercut him by taking a
guy fifty picks later who's much more talented than he is.
So here they are, and I would imagine more three
days or so from Flacco being named the starter. But
where should there is healthwise? And you know, will he
even be on the active roster? Will he be on
IR to start the year. I don't know. I think
we're you know, it's going to be the full ten days,
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I think before we find that out.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Zach Jackson joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. She's Monzie Blanio. So I'm Dan
buyer in for Doug today. What was ever the plan
then with Kenny Pickett? If Flaco is run away with it,
I know he's been dinged up, but what was there?
What was their goal in having him be a Brown
this season?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Well, he was the first one that they acquired, Dan,
you know, that was the first day of free agency
late in the day and the trade came out of nowhere.
And then when we finally met Kenny when it became official,
he said that the Eagles had actually given him a
heads up that there was some trade talks out as
the courtesy, and none of them were with the brown Like,
none of the signals he got were the Browns. Right,
So really, if that's March tenth ish for a full month,
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he was the only healthy quarterback because everybody knew that
Watson was not in the mix, right, So, you know,
he is young, he started games, he moves well. I
think if he squint you see a fit with the
style that the Browns want to play and what he
can do. But he's just not very good and the
fact that he started twenty five games done nothing but
prove that.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
So he is thirteen years younger than Joe Flacco, so
and he doesn't cost anything right now, so you could
see why they would want that. And you know, look,
they're in an awful, awful spot because of Deshaun Watson.
It's going to continue to hurt them down the road
because of the salary cap, right, So what's the way
out Either stumble into a guy like Kenny Pickett who
(26:22):
has a career renaissance, or stumble into your own rock party,
which is should or Sanders if it works out.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It just seems like there are always a step behind though,
Like they like Joe Flacco should have been well like that,
Like it feels like bringing Flacco back this year was
because he wanted to make up for the mistake of
not bringing him back last year after the late surge.
You just bring up the Kenny Pigott thing and how
the Browns weren't the ones talking about him. I mean,
it's just, yeah, it just seems like the I don't know,
(26:51):
it's just an absolute mess. There just doesn't seem to
be even a question for me. But all of these
examples of laying out, like bringing flaccoback now should have
been done fifteen months ago.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Yeah, I mean it couldn't because of Watson's fragile ego.
Bringing flacoback now like just kind of says everything about
the awkward intersection that this team is at. Because guys
in the locker room and there still are a lot
of good players on this team, they don't want to tank, right,
And like Joe came in and mastered the offense and
captivated the fan base and was awesome in the locker room, right,
(27:25):
and so he's beloved and like he can still really
fling it, and Jerry Judy looks great, and that is
their hope of winning any game in the month of
September is that Joe just gets hot and even if
he throws two interceptions, which he always does, as long
as he throws two touchdowns and maybe the defense can
win a form at the end. Right, So you know,
they there might be a time, and it might be
(27:45):
sooner than later that this team is tanking and looking
forward to that not just next year, but the future years.
But for Kevin Stefanski, for the coaches, for the older
offensive linemen, their four best offensive linemen are are are
only signed through this year. They have to go try
to win and if they can't beat the Bengals in
week one, then look at that schedule and tell me
(28:05):
when away it's coming.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Zach, you brought up Jerry Judy, and that was going
to be my next question, coming off the best year
of his career.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
How is he connecting with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
It was a slow start, but I think it's natural.
I think for the first time in several years, they've
had kind of a real training camp, like now obviously
it's been odd because of the quarterback injuries, but like
it looked really bad. Then all of a sudden in
the second and third week, he could start to see
some offense looking a little bit sharper. And yeah, I
mean they got shut out by the Eagles here on
(28:37):
day one of joint practices, but they were much better yesterday.
And the two best passing players were flat out of Judy,
he's just he looks really good. And those at least
one of them was right on Quinny and Mitchell, who's
the rising star corner in this league. So you know
the next step for Judy is consistency. Right, But we've
seen the explosion and we saw the mega huge game
last year, but he stylistically. Flacco and Judy should be a.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Really final question for Zach Jackson joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. What happens now with Judkins? Like is
he do they expect to sign him? Is this? I mean,
now that he's clear from his charges, where does that stand?
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Yeah, I think he will sign. I think the iff
is out of the equation. I think he will sign.
They're going to let the NFL complete its investigation and
make its ruling. So I don't think he's going to
play anytime soon. And that's not to say for sure
that he's going to get suspended. It's in play, but
he's missed off camp. You know, the rookies reported four
weeks ago today and he has not been there for
one thing. So I think you'll see Quench and Judkins
play and probably play a lot for the Browns from
(29:33):
from October on, but it's not going to be early.
But I still think that he will be the leting
running back for this team. We just don't know exactly
when and what a.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Draft class you trade? Don you get another first but
after that, yikes, Zach, we appreciate it. Enjoy the game
as much as you can. On Saturday, I'd love to
talk to you against you and appreciate it all right,
Thank you, Matt Action Jackson on X.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Thanks Zach.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Do you think he realized I was the one who
slid into his DM?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
He did. He's try to book him for her own
show on Sundays with Carrie Roads five o'clock eastern, too Pacific,
and then he got back to you a couple of
days later. But that's what happens. Yeah, volleyball nights and
then you didn't see it until this morning. Funny how
those things work out, though. Hit Mancy up at Monty Bologos.
You could find me at dan Byer on Fox. Coming
up next, I got DIBs. We'll explain on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
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Speaker 3 (30:30):
Doug gollib Show, Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer, She's
Monty Blagos. Great insight from Zach Jackson.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah, I can still get them on my show.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. The Browns are never
short on things to talk about, good or bad. It's
mostly been bad.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
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Speaker 3 (31:11):
Hit Mancia Up and Manzi Blanjos. You can find me
at Dan Byer on Fox. I'll get the Blue Sky
number at a sec. But first, let's play a game.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
This is Game Time Game Shag on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Isaac Lowing cron is at the news desk. What's going on, Isaac?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Well, we're about to claim our DIBs.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
I got dips, all right, first item in honor of
today's big story involving Michigan. I'll keep it open in
it so this is not just sports taking in any
direction you want. Favorite Sheeeters who you got DIBs on?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I got DIBs on SMU, and not just to keep
it connected with the Michigan football scandal. It's my favorite
thirty for thirty. I recommend anybody who loves college football,
just love sports in general, to watch it. But they
were put on probation and it was such an intrinsic
(32:10):
big operation that they basically had a payroll at that time,
which was illegal in college sports, and that was what
brought them down. The longtime TV anchor in dallas Dale
Hanson brought up the point like they had a payroll,
that they couldn't just stop cheating because they had all
these people to still keep paying illegally paying. So SMU
(32:31):
is my is my pick? I like it? Oh yeah,
go ahead. I got DIBs on Lance Armstrong.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
I don't think I have seen an American hero fall
as hard as in that age. First off, Americans were
actually paid attention to the Tour de France. That is
a miracle in itself. Second, winning we wouldn't do it
if we're fourteenth.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Everyone had the.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Live Strong bracelets and everything. Everyone had those. And just
how defiant he won was, how he set out to
ruin people's lives, and just how far everything fell collapsed,
and how kind of reviled his name is now I
even I enjoyed. I enjoyed the saga of Lambsarnstrong.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Christopher Fett with a great nominee. And not not to
hold you off, but I just want to say maybe
my third or fourth favorite thirty for thirty of is
the Lance Armstrong one. And the crazy thing about it
is I watched the whole thing and I still don't
know if I should believe him because of what he did. Like,
I don't know if he is reformed. I don't know
if he's the actual good guy that he is again
(33:37):
or if it was all a show which makes him
that much more.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Just so defiant at the time, Yeah, so defiant, And
I think that makes it better when you go down swinging,
when everyone knows you are full of it.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Yeah, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna take DIBs on
Ross Skeller cheating on Rachel Green.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
That's That's what I'm taking here.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Again, I don't even think it's a kid answer because
they were on a break.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
They were not.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
It doesn't matter, they were not on a break, they
were not on a break.
Speaker 10 (34:06):
I got DIBs on something and I hate to go
back to sports after somebody goes pop culture. It goes
against my instinct. But I did want Dan to guess
mine because I think Dan knows what mine is.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
The well, the astros wouldn't be your favorite exactly, Yes,
the opposite of my favorite.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Now.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
I think there was a thirty for thirty on.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Oh yeah Ruiz, Yeah, yes.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
The marathon is such a hotbed of these of this topic.
It's great for those that don't know Rosie Ruiz. She
took a taxi cab through twenty six miles of a marathon,
got out and ran the last half mile, and she
was crowned the New York Marathon winner in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
And guys, Rosie Ruiz, the guys that was actually mine too.
And I actually have the post match interview and it's
the funniest thing ever. Just one slight correction. Was actually
the Boston Marathon, It was not the New York Marathon.
It doesn't Rosie. Rosie didn't care. But here's you get
a cab through traffic. Yeah, the new work commeric he did.
Here is the actual post Boston Marathon interview.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Is someone coaching you or advising you, No, I advise
myself what it was a fantastic performance, Rosie, congratulations Rosie Ruez,
the Mystery Woman winner.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
We missed her at all our checkpoints.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
She came through the finish and a fantastic two thirty one.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
We have to confirm that time at this point.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
But she was way ahead of the world class field
here today in the Boston Marathon.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Yes, nineteen eighty was kind of a different.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Time in the world, was it it? I think my
first question tour would be, why aren't you out of breath?
Speaker 8 (35:34):
Yeah, because she wasn't out of breath, she wasn't sweating.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Order of breath?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Correct, so many questions.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
You missed her in all the checkpoints.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
There's nothing wrong here.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
That's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
We missed her twenty six times during the race.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
There is like every other mile.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yes, somehow she was able to persevere and find her
way to go ow. Good for her magnificence.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Again, Ganine is fine.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
It's just it does make sense. Like to his point,
like a cab to get through New York, no way,
but probably an easier way in Boston.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
Oh my gosh, do you believe it?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
All?
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Right?
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Onto a also other top timely topic given our previous guest.
But again, take this in any direction you want favorite
Cleveland Brown's quarterback present past. Take it in any direction
you want.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Dibbs Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Okay, all right, off the gates.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I take Baker, big fan.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I see, I know.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
Some Browns fans who still want him back, who still
thinks a.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Massive mistakee.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I'm I got dibbs on our teammate Brady Quinn here
at Foxy Take Brady.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Company, Man, Company Man. I got dips on Bernie Cozar.
Bernie Cozar could not play in today's NFL. He he
could play in the Johnny unitas NFL least athletic quarterback
of all time.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Oh yeah, I think it's because of the posture, right Like.
It was like he felt like he was yes hunched
and the number of nineteen didn't help him either.
Speaker 8 (37:10):
How would we describe his hair? Was it technically a
mullet or was it something else?
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (37:15):
Sure, I got dims on Brian Hoyer. That was a legend.
We just want to talk about those mid level quarterbacks
who stuck around for quite a while. Brian Hoyer's name
always came up as someone you wanted, maybe not with
the Browns, but some other team somewhere down the line.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
That jersey again starting when the Browns return, not even
including some of those is amazing. All right, we got
everybody's good. Everybody's good, just for that of a Tim Couch.
All right, there it is. That's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
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previous regimes, Yes, could have been possibilities. Brandon Whedon, former
friend of The Doug Gottlieb Show, a current friend. He's
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Car.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
If there's anything that you have learned today, it's that
you might as well cheat. You might as well do it.
I'm not saying on your taxes. I'm not saying on
your significant other. All I'm saying is wherever you want
to bend the rules, your models will do it, because,
gosh darn it, you may actually get away with it.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It seems like it's okay. It's just frowned upon, Dan,
It's just frowned upon.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It reminds me, and I know this isn't This is
kind of a local story to southern California, but I
felt it was so crazy. You don't think I want
to throw up already? Chris Purfett like, this is, oh
my goodness. We had a car chase the week where
someone hijacked carjacked three different vehicles in southern California, including
(01:07):
a tanker of milk, and they still got away, and
we are still looking for them, and by we, I
mean law enforcement officials, not me on my own time,
but they somehow got away. And you're like, how in
the world did they get away with it? That pales
in comparison to what's happened with the University of Michigan
and their cheating football program.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
How did I miss this pursuit?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yes, you didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I didn't even hear about it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'll tell you why, because I think it was volleyball night.
So that's why I think it was volleyball.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Man I, No, No, nothing happens on Tuesdays.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And we're going to get into the Michigan thing. And
I will try not to bore you. I will try
not to go off on tangents. I will probably just
let Mancy take the reins, because she's the most level
headed one of us here on this topic. But if
I were to say to MONCIZI, let's do a show
together on Thursday night, You'll be like, it's my mom's birthday,
(02:05):
but let's do it Saturday. Guess what, it's my boyfriends.
They're honoring him at work here because of his great work.
But I can do it, Manzi, can you play on
volleyball or can you do a show on volleyball? Sorry, Dan,
we can't do it. It is not going to be
able to work my by the way, indoor gymnasium volleyball, right,
(02:27):
it's not like beach volleyball, like you're on the shores
of the Pacific Ocean. You don't want to miss it.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I am in a gym and I am diving, and
I come out bruised and all beat up, and it's
worth it, and you are not wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You know what you should do in your next match
on Tuesday. You should catch the ball and then just
throw it over the net and be like, what are
you going to do to me? Because that's essentially what
Michigan has done. And then when they ask why did
you do that, just don't talk to him because that's
also what Michigan did. They didn't cooperate with anything, and
(03:00):
now get leveled with NCAA sanctions that really don't hit
at the heart of anything.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
No, this is nothing. This is a big time out.
That's it. This is a joke. And I don't even
care about Michigan.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I am not affected by any of this, but never
forget twenty seventeen when the ass shows cheated and against
the Dodgers. Never forget what is the big thing I've
been complaining about when it comes to that is that
nothing happened.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
They should have taken away.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
That championship in twenty seventeen from Houston and hear what's
happening with Michigan. Okay, so Harbaugh and Connor Stallions and
another guy, I have a timeout. That's all I'm reading
into this, and.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Manzi, it's even more than that. And I feel that
it is a bit of karma because I'm sure within
the last three weeks we've had a conversation with Jason Stewart,
our executive producer here on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Isaac
Golo on Chronic Chris profedor here as well. You heard
Chris play that awful music earlier. Thing that when Jason
went and saw the Astros and Dodgers taunted jose L
(04:04):
Twove and I, you know, just I brought up the
point of like nobody else cares, like only the Dodgers care,
and I felt that there was a similar sense to
the Michigan sign stealing scandal because Ohio State fans like
myself and Michigan State fans cared. Nobody else did. Nobody
(04:28):
else seemed to care. But these certain fan bases and Manzi,
now that it comes down to what D Day is
and we see the punishment, it's so unfulfilling. And I
feel that in a way when I say, why are
you guys still mad about the Astros that's eight years ago,
I feel that that's payment for what happening. What's happening
(04:49):
today because to your point of what these penalties are,
and for those that don't know, I'm going to read
them off at a second. But this just isn't the
sign stealing scandal. There was another scandal prior to this,
an other NCUBA violations when it came to recruiting and
(05:10):
COVID dead periods, the periods that were violated by Michigan
where they also failed to cooperate, And so now you
have another nc doublea situation on top of that. So
it's not just an innocent sign stealing scandal. There seems
to be an organized effort to try to cut corners
(05:34):
and do things their own way. And that's why when
people just say sign stealing, everybody does it? Is it
such a false phrase in a false opinion on what
this actually is for a school that now ends up
getting four years probation finds that could surpass thirty million
dollars with recruiting restrictions. Jim Harbaugh gets a ten year
(05:56):
show cost penalty, by the way, on top of the
four year one that he got from the previous scandal.
Current head coach. That's right, current head coach, he's still
the head coach. Sharon Moore gets a two year show
cause order. Counter stallions the one who seemingly carried out
all of these deals, eight year show cause order he
was going to coach anyway in football again. Dond Robinson,
(06:16):
a former player, three year show cause order who is
on staff, and then the fines would be determined on budget,
on postseason revenue, on scholarships. That's the penalty for Michigan
in doing their illegal sign stealing scandal on top of
the NCAA previous investigation.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
It's kind of crazy to think that we think we
know all the details, when in reality, if you're calling
something the.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Operation KGB, there's a lot more to it.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
There is a lot more that we actually will never know,
which is the big picture here, and.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
About the fines that's going to affect other parts of Michigan.
I feel, well, Michigan is not gonna take away from
their football program. They're not gonna take away from their
breadwinner and what brings in more money. So I feel
like these fines are gonna affect other parts of Michigan,
other athletes who literally had nothing to do with this,
and that simple punishment would have just been to vacate
(07:16):
the championship.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
These timeouts that these guys are getting, it doesn't matter
these players that are still on the team that had
nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I understand what they're playing now. That team that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Cheated the KGB is what they're calling this Operation Connor Stallions.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
They kate the damn championship. It's not complicated, Dan, It's
really simple. It is really easy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It is really easy, especially Mancy, to add on to
your magnificent point when you talk about not wanting to
punish future generations of Michigan players and coaches who are
a part of this, this is part of the problem,
is giving them a postseason ban. People said, well, these
players aren't a part of that. Well, you have a
(08:01):
current head coach who was still a part of it.
When you have Jim Harbaugh who skips out of town.
Jim Harbaugh's show cost penalties go through twenty thirty eight.
He's going to be seventy five years old at that time.
You think he's going to want to get back into
college football when he's seventy five years old. No, he
has no intentions of ever going back to college football
(08:24):
because he achieved what he wanted to achieve, and that's
bringing a national championship to his alma mater at any
cost possible, doing everything that you just laid out. The
simplicity of how you laid it out is magnificent, because
that's what it comes down to. If you struck them
at the core of taking away that national championship, you
(08:45):
would hear an argument of people saying, we saw them
play on the field, we saw that they were the
better team. There's no denying it. That is incorrect because
all of those wins and the wins leading up to
building that team were aided by the fact that they
had improper and illegal intelligence on other schools. So it
(09:08):
was part of that. Even when they gave the Big
Ten gave Michigan a three game ban and gave Jim
Harbaugh a three game ban as this was unfolding during
that season. The three game ban was just a slap
on the wrist, and now it pials absolutely in comparison.
They really didn't have the Big Ten anything to stand
on to do anything to give them a penalty. But
(09:31):
they also realized that Michigan is their cash cow and
was on their way to a national championship. So there's
a whole other argument of other people benefiting from Michigan's
national championship, including the Big Ten at that time. But
to your point of when Michigan is going to look
back on their national championship team ten years from now,
fifteen years from now, they'll probably do it five years
from now, they're going to get the loudest ovation because
(09:54):
they came through this scot free. Essentially, Jim Harbaugh when
he walks back into Ann Arbor and at the Big House,
will get the loudest ovation because they will be honoring
their national championship team that you correctly said should have
been taken away because of these sanctions. And that's the
most difficult part about it is there are a lot
(10:17):
of arguments, and Doug was in for Colin Cowherd earlier today,
saying that these financial ramifications are going to limit the
school and limit the program in the future. We'll see,
we'll see how much that happens. But right now, people
want flesh, they want blood, They want an eye for
an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, and an essence.
It feels that Michigan got away almost scott free.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
They absolutely got away with it.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
And if I'm any other school and I'm paying attention
to this, and I've got maybe a coach that's like,
you know, I'm ready to retire in a couple of years,
why don't we chi and just get a fall guy
because we know they're not going to vacate the championship
and then we're good. This that's just a bad precedent.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I think that the sign stealing scandal on the surface
is not as major if it would have been the
one off, right, but it's not the one operation. This
was well, it was not only an operation Manzi. It's
on top of the previous scandal right that went on
that they were then punished by the NC DOUBLEA. But
(11:16):
it's also the failure to cooperate. Isn't that the other
thing that we have been told in terms of like,
if you're dealing with law enforcement, the cover up is
worse than the crime. And so when we look at
the crime of sign stealing, it may not be as
malicious as something. And there may be other operations that
aren't as elaborate as counter stallions did that are around
(11:39):
college football that we don't know about. But it's the
fact that Michigan gave a stiff arm to the NC
DOUBLEA and Jim Harbaugh was the one who was not cooperating.
Sharon Moore is deleting evidence and text messages trying to
cover things up. They knew that they were cheating your
point of what it's labeled. Knew that they were cheating,
(11:59):
and then they said to the NC DOUBLEA, well, we're
not going to cooperate as much as you would have hoped.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
And the NC DOUBLEA said, okay, thank you, well chat later.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I know they're powerless. I know like that like in
essence to some extent, But the fact that, as you said,
they didn't take away what actually means most and honestly
was at the core of doing this was beating the
best teams in the country, winning your rivalry game against
(12:27):
Ohio State, and ultimately winning a national championship were the
reasons you were doing all of these things. To have
that goal not taken away from you is an absolute travesty.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
It just seems like such a simple punishment to give out.
But the NC double A just is turning their head.
They're just it's not there. To them, it's not worth it.
They're like, no, no, go ahead, we don't care. We don't
care enough to actually punish you the right way.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You're going to read many people's opinions. You're going to
hear many people's opinions. It's just very simple. They cheated,
They got what they wanted and essentially got away in
the getaway car.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yes, and it's okay.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Jim Harbough's off to the NFL. If they win a
Super Bowl this year, it's the greatest year of his life, right,
I mean, if they got yes, they if they don't,
it's and this would be a part of that year.
That's what this is all about. A ten year show
cause on top of the one that he's already serving
again for another cheating scandal. It's just absurd. I had
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wanted to. I'd wondered when this story was going to break,
and then when I found out yesterday that the news
was going to come down today, and we had expected
it before the upcoming season, because he didn't know if
there was going to be a postseason ban for them.
Postseason bands are a little bit different now because of
the expanded playoff. Previously, you're like, oh, well, we were
eight and three, we missed an Outback Bowl. Not that
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not as big of a deal as it would be
as Hey, we could have been in the twelve team playoff.
That really could have hit them as well, and you
would have had people associated with the program that were involved,
so they could have been You could have been punishing
the people that meant to be punished and maybe the
other eighty percent weren't. But ultimately, Manzi, if you just
took away what meant the most to them, I think
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a lot of people would be satisfied.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Of course, but even a ban for the postseason. I
know it sucks because some players weren't a part of this.
I get all that, but at least that shows that
the NCAA is actually taking this seriously. If you wouldn't
have vacated that championship and you would have put a
ban on the postseason. I would have been all right,
at least there's something. It just truly feels like a
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time out. It truly feels like nothing I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And Michigan essentially admitted that there was the scandal, so
they've admitted it. Ultimately the object or the what was it,
operation KGB.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
KGB was the name for it. According to Connor Stallion.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
The NCAA found out that they cheated, so it's tainted
and that's the most that we can take from it.
I have no idea how the Monday is going to
shake out in the future and how it's going to
affect their budget, how it's going to affect their football
program in four or five years.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
But so still affecting people that had nothing to do with.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
It, Yeah, exactly, Like still it's the effect further people
from it, but.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's it's the point of back to the Astros and
Dodgers is ninety five percent of Major League Baseball has
moved on. I think ninety five percent of college football
has moved on. And it's those that are, you know,
tight in Michigan. I'm seeing Michigan memes of parade flags
and people, you know, thumbs up and the whole guy
holding the girlfriend's hand and looking back, and it's like
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those memes of Michigan fans knowing that they got away
with it, and that's what's so annoying.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You know.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I actually think this one's a little bit worse, if
I'm being completely honest, then baseball, because I feel like
college football is so tight knit, like the fandom is different,
the fantom runs deep, So I think it's not just
ninety five percent has moved on.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I think that the astros knowing what pitch is coming
is a little different than understanding the plays totally. It's
the fact that Michigan just constantly tried to cut every
single corner and break rules to ultimately get to a
national championship program, and then they ultimately do so and
don't don't feel and those people, a majority of those
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people involved in that will not be penalized. Jim Harbaugh's
penalties are penalties, but they're not penalties since he's not
in college football. No, he's fine, completely missing the boat.
She's Monzi Bolangos, I'm dan Byer. Michigan finds out their
penalties today and a lot of people like me, are
I shouldn't say a lot, because again most people have
(16:47):
moved on but just frustrated at the whole process. And again,
if you're gonna cheat, you might as well because if anything,
you found out that you could get away with it.
She's Manzi Bologno's hit her up at Monzie Bolognos. You
can find me at Dan Buyer on Fox. Jason Stewart's here,
as is Chris Profet and Isaac Glowinkron.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. She's Moncey Bolanos. I'm
Dan Byer in for Doug today. Hit her up at
Monty Bolano so onex. It can also find me at
Dan Byer on Fox.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
What about Blue Sky?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Blue Sky? Had Dan Byer? I got to freak that up.
It's been a little it's been a little while.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Let's get you another follower, so you're up to what
forty seven?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
No, I've I cracked the two hundred wark a while ago.
Moncey oh okay, I'll grab my phone here in a
second and let you know what the official number is.
The special number right now is thirty four. It's the
maximum number of primetime games that the NBA wants teams
to appear in. And there are four teams as the
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NBA schedule came out that reached that magic number of
thirds before the Oklahoma City Thunder. You're defending NBA champions,
not a surprise. The Los Angeles Lakers. They could be
two and eighty and I think that they would get
thirty four primetime games the next season. The Golden State
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Warriors and the New York Knicks or the other team
that got the max prime time benefit from the NBA.
And I just I look at those teams, Manzi, and
I understand Oklahoma City, and it's kind of like, you
have to do that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You have to or else it would have been a
story in itself.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yes, the Knicks are obvious because they're the only team.
It feels like that the NBA has to market in
the Eastern Conference right now. And I know that Luca's
in LA and it's the Lakers, and I joke about
their record, but it's a Lebron and Steph thing. As
well with how big those brands are. But it just
is surprising to me, and it still feels like the
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NBA doesn't have any sort of plan on what life's
going to be like when Lebron and Steph leave at
some point. Shouldn't you take these other teams? Shouldn't you
take like a Timberwolves team, make sure that Anthony Edwards
are the Spurs who we think are going to be
really good, and just not shove them down our throats,
but they should be at the level of these other
teams that are also getting maximum primetime exposure.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
But but push them a little down our throats.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Not shove them, but push them a little.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Because I predict that let'shypothetically say the Thunder don't win
this year, right, it looks like the Thunder have a
good chance to repeat. But I feel like, if the
Thunder don't repeat next year, we're having this conversation. They're
not gonna have as many primetime games. They don't want
them to have that many primetime games. Sure, they did
it out of respect because you want and there are
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other teams that you're just like, really, these are not
teams that the Clippers are, like, not even on the list.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
When you saw the list of the teams with the.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Most primetime games, Clippers weren't even shown, And I was like,
how is that they're not even in the top ten
of the primetime games, which I'm a little bit surprised about,
because yes, I know we're the Unks. I know we
got all the old people, but Curry and Lebron are still,
you know, bringing in the attention.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Maybe I'm just being biased.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's because all your games are going to start at
two in the afternoon, because so it's not technically primetime
because the team is so old. Back, why they're going
to be in bed by seven when it's actually prime.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Time match James Harden, he's going to be out partying.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
The Timberwolves and Rockets were next with twenty eight. The
Spurs didn't even make the list of the top ten
teams to get the most TV games or streamed games.
I'd listen the Spurs of the two thousands, let's just
call them of the Tim Duncan era. We love Tim Duncan.
(20:45):
He's the big fundamental. There's no flash right This Spurs
team has some flash in pizazz and an absolute unicorn
in Victor Wimbin Yama. How you do not have him
be the center point of what could be the future?
I have no idea, yes, no sense. The Mavericks got
twenty three games, and they have the number one overall
pick and a possible future star in the NBA. And
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while as much as I can't stand the Dallas landed
the Cooper Flag lottery, I feel they're being short changed
and getting the number of games that they got compared
to everybody else. Riding throughout the state of Ohio. That's
where we head now where Zach Jackson joins us. He
covers the NFL and the Cleveland Browns for the Athletic
You can find him on x at Akron Jackson. I
(21:27):
mean other are you going to be able to get
home Zach today? I mean are their riots throughout the
state because of the Michigan punishments or lack thereof that
we found out today in college football.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I'm in Philadelphia. Oh okay, yeah, so I have heard
you know about it, and it is better there. Obviously,
Michigan's had the upper hands, so people are not pleased.
But I've been caught in the worst quarterback competition in
modern NFL history.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So joint practice is between the Browns and Eagles. The
sweet capped off by their preseason game coming up on Saturday.
So did last Friday's game with Shoud or Sanders change
anything in the pecking order of the Browns quarterback dilemma.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
No, it didn't change the pecking order. I think it
energized some of the sand base, you know, and then
he gets hurt after one more time out, so I
don't know if it energized like the locker room and stuff, right.
I think it did temporarily, But no, no order has
changed for over three weeks, and that's because Kenny Pickett,
who a lot of people believe that the team wanted
to win it, has not been a full participant since then.
(22:32):
So Joe Flacco has been good, and I think really
really good in about four of the last five practices.
So he's won the job. But he really won the
job because there was no other competition because Dylan Gabriel
has not been good enough and Shador was not given
a chance and Shador is not ready. Let me be
clear about that. Shador is talented, and last Friday showed
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he's talented, and I think he's got a chance to
be an NFL starter. Down the road, but this competition
has never amounted, and it's to the point that three
of them have some level of injury we don't know,
and Tyler Huntley, who wasn't on the team, had to
come in and now it looks like he might play
the entire preseason tomorrow. So what a product that will be, Zach.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
You've been there since the beginning, with the Browns drafting
Schadur Sanders, so much surrounding him, so much attention.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Have you been surprised at it?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
How has he handled all of the eyes on him
from the start to now?
Speaker 7 (23:30):
From what we know, he's handled it all great. Right now,
it kind of feels like the interaction last week was
a setup with his camera crew happening to be there.
But that's the world we live in, keth Ron. Rookies
have camera crews, right, and kids do things different ways.
But I mean, from every impression I've gotten outside of
these beating tickets that he got, the team likes what
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he's done, how he's handled himself, how he's shown up
and asked questions, and his teammates love him. He's staying
on the field almost every day after for extra work
of some sort, and said, it's just weird with the injury,
and then it was extra deflating to the whole operation.
I don't think anybody can run with that, right, But
I am maybe a little bit surprised at a popularity.
(24:16):
Not really, I thought I was braced for it. But
I think what's happened is the Shadoor crowd has made
it Shador versus Gabriel, right, and they're so mad that
he hasn't gotten first team reps. And hey, if you're
rooting for somebody like that, I get it, But I
just encourage people to think bigger because Shoudar versus Gabriel
is not even a contest, like he is so much
more talented, it's not even a contest. So the Browns
(24:38):
have created this. They used the top one hundred pick
on Dylan Gabriel and then undercut him by taking a
guy fifty picks later who's much more talented than he is.
So here they are, and I would imagine more three
days or so from Flacco being named the starter. But
where should there is healthwise? And you know, will he
even be on the active roster? Will he be on
IR to start the year. I don't know. I think
we're you know, it's going to be the full ten days,
(24:59):
I think before we find that out.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Zach Jackson joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. She's Monzie Blanio. So I'm Dan
buyer in for Doug today. What was ever the plan
then with Kenny Pickett? If Flaco is run away with it,
I know he's been dinged up, but what was there?
What was their goal in having him be a Brown
this season?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Well, he was the first one that they acquired, Dan,
you know, that was the first day of free agency
late in the day and the trade came out of nowhere.
And then when we finally met Kenny when it became official,
he said that the Eagles had actually given him a
heads up that there was some trade talks out as
the courtesy, and none of them were with the brown Like,
none of the signals he got were the Browns. Right,
So really, if that's March tenth ish for a full month,
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he was the only healthy quarterback because everybody knew that
Watson was not in the mix, right, So, you know,
he is young, he started games, he moves well. I
think if he squint you see a fit with the
style that the Browns want to play and what he
can do. But he's just not very good and the
fact that he started twenty five games done nothing but
prove that.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
So he is thirteen years younger than Joe Flacco, so
and he doesn't cost anything right now, so you could
see why they would want that. And you know, look,
they're in an awful, awful spot because of Deshaun Watson.
It's going to continue to hurt them down the road
because of the salary cap, right, So what's the way
out Either stumble into a guy like Kenny Pickett who
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has a career renaissance, or stumble into your own rock party,
which is should or Sanders if it works out.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It just seems like there are always a step behind though,
Like they like Joe Flacco should have been well like that,
Like it feels like bringing Flacco back this year was
because he wanted to make up for the mistake of
not bringing him back last year after the late surge.
You just bring up the Kenny Pigott thing and how
the Browns weren't the ones talking about him. I mean,
it's just, yeah, it just seems like the I don't know,
(26:51):
it's just an absolute mess. There just doesn't seem to
be even a question for me. But all of these
examples of laying out, like bringing flaccoback now should have
been done fifteen months ago.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Yeah, I mean it couldn't because of Watson's fragile ego.
Bringing flacoback now like just kind of says everything about
the awkward intersection that this team is at. Because guys
in the locker room and there still are a lot
of good players on this team, they don't want to tank, right,
And like Joe came in and mastered the offense and
captivated the fan base and was awesome in the locker room, right,
(27:25):
and so he's beloved and like he can still really
fling it, and Jerry Judy looks great, and that is
their hope of winning any game in the month of
September is that Joe just gets hot and even if
he throws two interceptions, which he always does, as long
as he throws two touchdowns and maybe the defense can
win a form at the end. Right, So you know,
they there might be a time, and it might be
(27:45):
sooner than later that this team is tanking and looking
forward to that not just next year, but the future years.
But for Kevin Stefanski, for the coaches, for the older
offensive linemen, their four best offensive linemen are are are
only signed through this year. They have to go try
to win and if they can't beat the Bengals in
week one, then look at that schedule and tell me
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when away it's coming.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Zach, you brought up Jerry Judy, and that was going
to be my next question, coming off the best year
of his career.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
How is he connecting with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
It was a slow start, but I think it's natural.
I think for the first time in several years, they've
had kind of a real training camp, like now obviously
it's been odd because of the quarterback injuries, but like
it looked really bad. Then all of a sudden in
the second and third week, he could start to see
some offense looking a little bit sharper. And yeah, I
mean they got shut out by the Eagles here on
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day one of joint practices, but they were much better yesterday.
And the two best passing players were flat out of Judy,
he's just he looks really good. And those at least
one of them was right on Quinny and Mitchell, who's
the rising star corner in this league. So you know
the next step for Judy is consistency. Right, But we've
seen the explosion and we saw the mega huge game
last year, but he stylistically. Flacco and Judy should be a.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Really final question for Zach Jackson joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. What happens now with Judkins? Like is
he do they expect to sign him? Is this? I mean,
now that he's clear from his charges, where does that stand?
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Yeah, I think he will sign. I think the iff
is out of the equation. I think he will sign.
They're going to let the NFL complete its investigation and
make its ruling. So I don't think he's going to
play anytime soon. And that's not to say for sure
that he's going to get suspended. It's in play, but
he's missed off camp. You know, the rookies reported four
weeks ago today and he has not been there for
one thing. So I think you'll see Quench and Judkins
play and probably play a lot for the Browns from
(29:33):
from October on, but it's not going to be early.
But I still think that he will be the leting
running back for this team. We just don't know exactly
when and what a.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Draft class you trade? Don you get another first but
after that, yikes, Zach, we appreciate it. Enjoy the game
as much as you can. On Saturday, I'd love to
talk to you against you and appreciate it all right,
Thank you, Matt Action Jackson on X.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Thanks Zach.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Do you think he realized I was the one who
slid into his DM?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
He did. He's try to book him for her own
show on Sundays with Carrie Roads five o'clock eastern, too Pacific,
and then he got back to you a couple of
days later. But that's what happens. Yeah, volleyball nights and
then you didn't see it until this morning. Funny how
those things work out, though. Hit Mancy up at Monty Bologos.
You could find me at dan Byer on Fox. Coming
up next, I got DIBs. We'll explain on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Doug gollib Show, Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer, She's
Monty Blagos. Great insight from Zach Jackson.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah, I can still get them on my show.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. The Browns are never
short on things to talk about, good or bad. It's
mostly been bad.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
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Speaker 3 (31:11):
Hit Mancia Up and Manzi Blanjos. You can find me
at Dan Byer on Fox. I'll get the Blue Sky
number at a sec. But first, let's play a game.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
This is Game Time Game Shag on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Isaac Lowing cron is at the news desk. What's going on, Isaac?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Well, we're about to claim our DIBs.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
I got dips, all right, first item in honor of
today's big story involving Michigan. I'll keep it open in
it so this is not just sports taking in any
direction you want. Favorite Sheeeters who you got DIBs on?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I got DIBs on SMU, and not just to keep
it connected with the Michigan football scandal. It's my favorite
thirty for thirty. I recommend anybody who loves college football,
just love sports in general, to watch it. But they
were put on probation and it was such an intrinsic
(32:10):
big operation that they basically had a payroll at that time,
which was illegal in college sports, and that was what
brought them down. The longtime TV anchor in dallas Dale
Hanson brought up the point like they had a payroll,
that they couldn't just stop cheating because they had all
these people to still keep paying illegally paying. So SMU
(32:31):
is my is my pick? I like it? Oh yeah,
go ahead. I got DIBs on Lance Armstrong.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
I don't think I have seen an American hero fall
as hard as in that age. First off, Americans were
actually paid attention to the Tour de France. That is
a miracle in itself. Second, winning we wouldn't do it
if we're fourteenth.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Everyone had the.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Live Strong bracelets and everything. Everyone had those. And just
how defiant he won was, how he set out to
ruin people's lives, and just how far everything fell collapsed,
and how kind of reviled his name is now I
even I enjoyed. I enjoyed the saga of Lambsarnstrong.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Christopher Fett with a great nominee. And not not to
hold you off, but I just want to say maybe
my third or fourth favorite thirty for thirty of is
the Lance Armstrong one. And the crazy thing about it
is I watched the whole thing and I still don't
know if I should believe him because of what he did. Like,
I don't know if he is reformed. I don't know
if he's the actual good guy that he is again
(33:37):
or if it was all a show which makes him
that much more.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Just so defiant at the time, Yeah, so defiant, And
I think that makes it better when you go down swinging,
when everyone knows you are full of it.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Yeah, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna take DIBs on
Ross Skeller cheating on Rachel Green.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
That's That's what I'm taking here.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Again, I don't even think it's a kid answer because
they were on a break.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
They were not.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
It doesn't matter, they were not on a break, they
were not on a break.
Speaker 10 (34:06):
I got DIBs on something and I hate to go
back to sports after somebody goes pop culture. It goes
against my instinct. But I did want Dan to guess
mine because I think Dan knows what mine is.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
The well, the astros wouldn't be your favorite exactly, Yes,
the opposite of my favorite.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Now.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
I think there was a thirty for thirty on.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Oh yeah Ruiz, Yeah, yes.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
The marathon is such a hotbed of these of this topic.
It's great for those that don't know Rosie Ruiz. She
took a taxi cab through twenty six miles of a marathon,
got out and ran the last half mile, and she
was crowned the New York Marathon winner in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
And guys, Rosie Ruiz, the guys that was actually mine too.
And I actually have the post match interview and it's
the funniest thing ever. Just one slight correction. Was actually
the Boston Marathon, It was not the New York Marathon.
It doesn't Rosie. Rosie didn't care. But here's you get
a cab through traffic. Yeah, the new work commeric he did.
Here is the actual post Boston Marathon interview.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Is someone coaching you or advising you, No, I advise
myself what it was a fantastic performance, Rosie, congratulations Rosie Ruez,
the Mystery Woman winner.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
We missed her at all our checkpoints.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
She came through the finish and a fantastic two thirty one.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
We have to confirm that time at this point.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
But she was way ahead of the world class field
here today in the Boston Marathon.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Yes, nineteen eighty was kind of a different.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Time in the world, was it it? I think my
first question tour would be, why aren't you out of breath?
Speaker 8 (35:34):
Yeah, because she wasn't out of breath, she wasn't sweating.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Order of breath?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Correct, so many questions.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
You missed her in all the checkpoints.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
There's nothing wrong here.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
That's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
We missed her twenty six times during the race.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
There is like every other mile.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yes, somehow she was able to persevere and find her
way to go ow. Good for her magnificence.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Again, Ganine is fine.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
It's just it does make sense. Like to his point,
like a cab to get through New York, no way,
but probably an easier way in Boston.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
Oh my gosh, do you believe it?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
All?
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Right?
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Onto a also other top timely topic given our previous guest.
But again, take this in any direction you want favorite
Cleveland Brown's quarterback present past. Take it in any direction
you want.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Dibbs Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Okay, all right, off the gates.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I take Baker, big fan.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I see, I know.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
Some Browns fans who still want him back, who still
thinks a.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Massive mistakee.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I'm I got dibbs on our teammate Brady Quinn here
at Foxy Take Brady.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Company, Man, Company Man. I got dips on Bernie Cozar.
Bernie Cozar could not play in today's NFL. He he
could play in the Johnny unitas NFL least athletic quarterback
of all time.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Oh yeah, I think it's because of the posture, right Like.
It was like he felt like he was yes hunched
and the number of nineteen didn't help him either.
Speaker 8 (37:10):
How would we describe his hair? Was it technically a
mullet or was it something else?
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (37:15):
Sure, I got dims on Brian Hoyer. That was a legend.
We just want to talk about those mid level quarterbacks
who stuck around for quite a while. Brian Hoyer's name
always came up as someone you wanted, maybe not with
the Browns, but some other team somewhere down the line.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
That jersey again starting when the Browns return, not even
including some of those is amazing. All right, we got
everybody's good. Everybody's good, just for that of a Tim Couch.
All right, there it is. That's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Brian Sipe, Vinny Testaverdi uh previous in the in the
previous regimes, Yes, could have been possibilities. Brandon Whedon, former
friend of The Doug Gottlieb Show, a current friend. He's
just it's not football season, so we're not talking to Brandon.
She's Monte Milagno's I'm Dan Byer. The NBA has got
a problem on its hands. We'll discuss next
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