October 29, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug talks about game four of the World Series as the Blue Jays tied the series 2-2. Doug welcomes former major league and current MLB analyst Doug Glanville onto the show to talk about all of the headlines of the World Series. Doug weighs in on Michael Jordan's comments about Load Management. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every single day over
twenty years running. And we have ourselves a series, right,
I mean it felt like a series before. They always
say in basketball, series doesn't start till the road team
wins a game. Dodgers won a game in Game two,
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then the Dodgers win an epic game in Game three,
and then what's a one nothing Dodger lead becomes a
two to one Blue Jays lead on a Vlad Guerrero
Junior to run home run against show. Hey Otani, and
here we are, there we are. I have a really
good baseball series.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Dodgers through a reliever to the Wolves as they're as
they're prone to do. Blake Snell goes tonight ton to
talk about as as Dan Bayer said yesterday, Hey, remember
the NBA. Yeah, that was fun. We talked about it
for about two days. And I actually think that's the
power of when you know you have a baseball series
that captivates people's attention, because look, when the NFL is
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not being played, you can still talk about the NBA.
I mean, so you still talk about the NFL, but
there is room during the week for other sports conversation.
And because Major League Baseball, I think was so good
Game two, it's got our attention. It's got our attention.
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I guess here's a question. We do make things out
to be either your clutch or you're not clutch, right,
But Shoe Hay has shown himself to have these games
where he's just incredibly dominant. Game four of the of
the nl CS, right, unbelievable, three home runs, strikes out ten.
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Dude's incredible. Then you go to Game three of the
World Series and he hits two home runs, it's four
to four. He's on base all nine times he strides
up to the plate. It's weird, though, to sit there
and go. You start to realize the idea of being
clutched can at times be a flawed idea because I
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give you show, hey, Otani, you can't be as good
as he was last game, as good as he's been
in big situations, and then you know, you do give
up a two run home run. That's just that just
shows a bunch of things. One, it can be sort
of ridiculous on how we hyper judge clutchness in a
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sport like baseball. It also shows just the levels there
the mistakes that are made are so magnified. And he
made this mistake on a sweeper against one of the
five best hitters in the sport who deposited that one
at a home run, and it felt like a weight
off of the back of the Blue Jays. And it
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now comes back around to Blake Snow who's been great
in the World Series in the past, great obviously last series,
but was terrible by his own admission, in Game one
against the Blue Jays. And the Blue Jays all stats
tell you they eat up left handed pitching, especially left
handed starting pitching. Now that doesn't mean I'm calling a
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series from one side or the other, but it just
got really, really interesting. It had been interesting, but it
had been despite the fact the Blue Jays they're an
expensive team, They're a talented team. It had been one
in which it was really about, hey, are the Dodgers
two rested too rusty? And can the Blue Jays put
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them in a spot where they can't come from behind?
And then it became about that epic Game three, And
now it's like, not is it ever anyone's game, but
it does go back to you're gonna have to win
that series in Toronto, Jay stew take me through again.
I loved what you shared with us yesterday because of
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the true emotions you felt watching a team that you're
not just a fan. You're You're not like I'm a fan,
You're a real fan. You really pay attention, you really care,
and you really understand what and why the support is
is is how it is? What's your emotions in watching
last night's game.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Last night's game was a kind of a microcosm of
what we've been watching all season with this team. I
think people loose side of the fact that this team
largely underperformed during the season, and I mean, you make
a big out of the bullpen. That's kind of will
hanging fruit as far as what this team doesn't do well.
But it also is renowned for just going dark offensively,
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They'll go two three games with getting just a few hits.
Mookie Betts three for nineteen, Maxi Montsey three for seventeen,
Tommy Edmin three for eighteen, and Key k Hernandez three
for sixteen. And then this didn't even include Andy Pajas,
who I think is one for twenty or something ridiculous.
So it's this is just one of the warts that
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is magnified. But I'm not surprised. But I do want
to quote one of the great orders of our time,
Magic Johnson. He's one of the owners of the Dodgers.
He tweeted this out a couple hours ago. With the
series being two to two, game five is very important.
Whichever team wins takes control of the series exclamation point.
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So I'm going to lean on magic great insight and
we'll see what happens today.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Has there ever been anyone who's worse on social media
and more successful in life than Magic Johnson? Byer, what
do you think? Has there ever been anyone who's more
successful in life?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Probably not, I don't know. I haven't. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Can I can let me explain the Magic Johnson thing,
because I saw it in full effect in August. Dana
and David Pump are dear friends of mine. They they
they've had their fingers in a lot of different thing,
hands on a lot of different things in terms of
basketball over the years. But they have a Pump Foundation,
family Foundation dinner. They have a cancer award research center
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named after their mom in at Northridge Hospital, and so
they do a fundraiser every year. And I'm seen it
like I think fifteen years and Magic got up to
raise money and he donated for the open game with
the Lakers against the Warriors. Like ten seats you sat
with Mag It was some crazy, crazy deal. But I'm
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I have to admit that, like everybody, when you read
Magic tweets, you're like, oh my god, what am I
dealing with here? How is this guy so successful in
business and so bad on social media? So captain obvious? Right,
that was the Captain obvious. Captain Obvious thinks that tweet
was Captain obvious. But you see him in front of
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a room and how he it's not just a smile,
he just he points guys out and in the in
midstream of of doing some sort of ted talk to
motivate people, he just makes everybody feel like he got you.
He's paying attention to you, he knows you, he loves you,
and he and you connect with magic. But man, if
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you went with if you went based upon social media,
you would think that guy's the biggest yuts there is.
And yet guy's likely he's a billionaire and it's amazing.
But yeah, Game five does determine the series. I love
the baseball. It's like bang bang bang bang bang, And
I get that. You look, we're dragging on into November anyway,
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so it's not like baseball has moved along. But gosh,
this is it's so watchable because the emotions are still
from the night before, are still present, Like I'm watching
last night's game, and I still kind of feel like
I'm watching the previous night's game, and I'm still on
that emotional high from watching a great sporting event, even
though it's not my team. I can't imagine for Jason Stewart,
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who because it is his team and he's so emotionally
and mentally invested, And then imagine being a player and hey,
we got to get back after it. I know, when
you start playing, you're not thinking of big picture of
things or Hey, we just got done playing last night.
But I love this the baseball bam bam, bam, bam bam,
as opposed to like NBA finals that are so spaced out.
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I just love this. Go ahead, Dan, look like you had.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Some well just quickly on that point. The NBA spaces
it out so much so everybody gets rest. But I
think that's part of the genius of baseball is it
reflects what the regular season is so as a whole,
and I think that Game three may have taken a
toll on some of the players. I don't know if
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the weather did last night. We joked about that earlier
with Sam, but it was warm, like it was, it
was hot. But that's part of the genius of it
of Dave Roberts even said, I think during the game
on Game three, early on when he was doing his
in game interview, when they had a decision to make
with glass. Now, He's like, you know, I don't necessarily
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want to go to the pen here, you know, four
innings in, you know, to Game three, when we've got
these three games here. I think that's all part of it.
I think that's that's it. I don't want to say
it's a better way to make you know a champion
or to determine a champion. But it just fits at
least with what the regular season is, where you don't
have guys where you could just throw your best pitcher
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in five out of the seven games.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
A good friend of mine, Reality Steve. You can find
him at Reality Steve on social media, big Dodger fan,
and he floated this idea, and I think this actually
is a good one, that there should be a rule
in place in the World Series that if a game
goes a certain amount of time or a certain amount
of innings, then you just take the next day off
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so that both teams could kind of reset their bullpen
and stuff. I don't think it was fair to either
team to play the game yesterday, And as a fan
and I didn't go, but I talked to people that
actually went to both games and they were just exhausted.
I mean, could you imagine dealing with that traffic in
and out and get in less than twenty four hours.
But anyways, so as a viewer on my couch, I
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was exhausted. I'm like, do I really want to watch
another game?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I honestly felt the same thing. And again, I don't
have the I don't have a horse in the race. Yes, yes, stampire.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
No, I was just gonna say Jason's point of like, man,
I was so exhausted going to both World Series games,
like is a first world problem. I mean, how many
how many people there went to the game before? Do
you think I would say not much?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
J Justin Herbert going to both games.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
He wasn't there last night they had a different parade
as star Prince Harry. Yeah, which, by the way, I
knew the Dodgers are going to lose once I saw
Megan Markle with a Dodgers head on. It was over cool.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
If there's ever a cooler in wife, it's Megan Markle.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
She's like, the Dodgers haven't lost yet. Guys, you guys,
you've everer that interview anybody?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yes, anybody yet yet yet? Yeah? I mean, like, look,
could you have I guess you could have get hey,
let's everybody take the day off. I don't know the
reality to that. I guess you could pull it off
because they have had weather delays and whatever, but it
would it would screw everything up.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Do you think it helped Toronto last night? I don't
think it helped either. Team Toronto ended up winning. There
has to be a winner, but I don't think it
was fair to either team to play on that turnaround
at this level. At this level, you know, these games
are real important. Take the day off, come back on Wednesday,
and even if you have to, like not have the
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day in between for travel, I think the players would
probably choose that because they're in used in the regular season,
they'll travel across the country and play the next day
all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But did they travel to a different country.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Usually not night games though, So that's the only difference
is if you would you could play a day game,
get out of town, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Because you have to get away to getaway day before
they play the next day. That would be the only thing.
What you're bringing up, though, is a real thing. Like
I think everybody was like, you know, I could just
kind of use a day that was a lot yesterday.
But to Dan's point, it is kind of the beauty
to baseball, which is you have to you have to plan.
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And this is where the Dodgers, I think who is
the reliever you said was basically doing the Kershaw because
the Dodgers did that with Kershaw, going back to the
going back to the ds right where they threw him
out there, and he took a punishment, like why are
they leaving him out there, Like, dude, save the rest
of the bullpen, you know, let him just eat it
for a couple of innings and then the next day
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will be fresh and rested. So there is some gamesmanship
to it in that you have to you have to
in the back of your mind going we play tomorrow
and now they play again today, and they're fried fried.
Everybody's fried today. But that is the beauty of this thing.
And one of the other big storylines of the day
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in sports is Michael Jordan saying he doesn't understand the
need for load management and he doesn't agree with it.
And it was on NBC in Peacock, which is one
of the rights holders, And you know, then you balance
that out with baseball, where they already play one hundred
and sixty two. Granted, most of the guys don't play
one hundred and sixty two, but are we really going
to complain about having guys play back to back nights
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after eighteen eightings of baseball when we're trying to make
this out to be some glorious, manly exhibition that you
can show up every day and play. Here's Dave Roberts,
skipper of the Dodgers, summing up his team's struggles on offense.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
We haven't found our rhythm. We haven't. It sort of
draws dead at certain parts of the lineup and different parts,
different innings, different games. You know, guys are competing. Certainly
in the postseason, you're seeing everyone's best. But yeah, you know,
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my hope is we regroup tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, listen, Munsey and Mookie not hitting, although Mookie had
a line drive that was stabbed going down the at
third base, so it wasn't an exit Velow problem. But
I do think that's sort of what he's getting to,
and it's what Jason Stewart has warned us about. It's like, look, dude,
I watch this team all the time. They go through
these droughts, droughts, and don't be fooled by some late
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season success or some postseason heroics. One hundred and sixty
two does tell you who they are, and this is
much more who they are. Is that bear Jaysue?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
No, that's a good summation.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
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Doug Landville who joins us on The Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Doug, what was last night like
coming off of the eighteen inning epic from the night
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and early morning before.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, I mean outside of the delirium because I think
I got home at like four twenty or something. It's like,
you know, it was a different tone, a different tenor
you saw tany of course being able to you know,
bounce back the same day and pitch like he did,
but at the same time, you know, one mistake and
Vladimir Geroa Junior hitting the home run. They sort of
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opened up the door, and you heard John Sider, the
manager after the game, talk about like that's you know,
we're the beginning team, like we kind of find ways
and then it gets contagious throughout the lineup. It's something
that they do well to get that quick strike, biginning,
and it's hard to recover from that in the postseason,
when you know, you get the ball in, you get
the specialization out of the bullpen, and then trying to
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get a big league and recover from it is very tough.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
S Doug gott Leaps show on Fox Sports. Here, that's
Doug Glanville, who's joining us is get ready for a
Game five of the World Series. Schneider talked about how
big the home run was from Vlad, how it really
turbo charged the team. Is that changed? Can you feel
that in the stadium, Well.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
You know, Tani's on the mound, or you have an
assa Yamamoto and you're like, are we going to get
to this guy? You know, you just kind of have
that going through your mind, like or how are we
going to break through? Maybe it's the next time around,
maybe you see him again. But then Otani has seven pitches,
so the sweeper turns into a splitter. You know he's
able to adjust, and then you get a mistake, and
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that's no guarantee that you're going to hit the mistake
because you know his sweeper is pretty tough. But he
hung the sweeper and boom that It changes everything and
then you're like, Okay, the invincibility is down. Now we
can kind of find ways to try to capitalize. And
most importantly, they got the lead where ultimately they said
all right, turn to the pitching and say you have
to now hold this. But they were able to give
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him some insurance runs on top of that, and then
all of a sudden, everybody in the Blue Jays started
pulling in the same direction to just close off that
lead and hold it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
What did what they do to pitch to Otani last night?
I mean, they couldn't get him out the night before,
so I think common guest was, well, they're just gonna
intentionally walk them. They didn't struck him out twice. He
did get on once with a walk. Would they do
differently in their.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Approach with Otani? It's you know, one thing that you
may be able to capitalize on is if you're mixing.
I mean extreme, mixing it up up and end down
the way, changing speeds. It doesn't always work, but you
have to locate. But the thing about Atani that does
get him in trouble periodically, he's aggressive, but he chases.
He'll really expand the zone and you'll have to use
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that against him. And we saw that in the Phillies Seria.
We saw it a lot in the Brewers series where
he was really struggling, and a lot of that had
to do with him expanding the zone to the point
where he was swinging to kind of everything. And they
do that by mixing speeds too. It's hard in slow
away changing speeds, spinning it and both the point you
got to execute though, you got to put it on
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the spot because you can do all that all day long,
and if you miss, you've got to be getting a
new baseball. So they did a good job of that
last night.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I know
Toronto hits lefties very well. But from your by your estimation,
what went wrong for Blake Snell in Game one that
he can fix tonight.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Two things stand out. One is the Blue Jays are
just a different beast. I mean, you know, although the
Brewers have a lot of the same flavor, the Blue
Jays ability to make contact and put the ball in
play plays out, not only because the defense has to
close out and execute on defensive plays to record outs.
It's not the pitches that you throw that you think
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is like, Okay, this will set up the next pitch
are getting fouled off. They're just frustrating because you think
you can put them nay and then they slap it
into the dugout and get another shot at it. So
you have to repeat, and you have to really repeat.
And the thing about Blake Snell that gets them a
little bit in trouble is he gets inefficient quickly when
those pitch counts start going up, and he's because he
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throws that four seam fastball, which he wasn't locating well
that first game, and once they start filing it off
and get another shot at it, he's not getting into
his plan, which is throw that fastball, bounce the curveball,
get the change up going, and the secondary pitches, those
slower ones really play well off the fastball, but if
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you're not establishing it and you can't because the team
is putting it in play, or fouling it off. Then
it's a little tougher for Snell to recover. So he
ends up in five innings, one hundred pitches. You know,
that's the Snell that kind of ends up in that
middle path of Snell instead of the one they need
to go eight with one hit.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You were going to give Mookie some advice, Yeah, right,
he struggled last years. He struggled this yeries he did,
you know, like he did rip one down the line
that was stagged by a third basement. So it's not
like he's he's striking out every time. He's not windmilling,
but he's struggling. And this is now where what eight
eight consecutive games where he's he's not there? What would
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you tell him?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I go back to fundamentals if I if I break
down anything mechanically, it's the top hand, you know where
that gets that bat like kind of through the plane,
squaring up the ball. It's dragging on him. And what
that does is you're going to see the pop ups, right,
You're going to get under the ball, and when you
get under the ball, you start hitting more of the
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lazy fly balls. The thing to know about Mookie bats
is throughout his career, even in MVP season, he didn't
hit a lot of balls to right field that were
hits and hard hits and doubles and triples. He really
didn't have a very high average even this year. I
think he was in the under two hundred when he
puts the ball and play the right field the way.
He was successful on pitches away outside corner that you're
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supposed to go theoretically take it to right field. He
hooked those balls. He would take a slider down in
the way or away and be able to hit it
in the left field, hit it off the Green Monster
when he was in Boston. So he covered the sort
of weakness of not being able to drive the ball
the opposite seat by pulling the ball. But that's not
there right now because to do that you really have
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to have your top hand in position to do that.
If it's lagging and dropping, then you not only cannot
go to right field, but you're going to start getting
those lazy pop ups. So is it mechanics, is it
a combination of just being off and all those things
could be a combination. But if I'm working drills for me,
I would be like doing top hand drills all day
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long and smacking the ball into right center, and that's
at least mechanically a reset. You know. Now you've got
to get the mental side as well, and he's one
of the mentally toughest mental players in the game. Once
he finds that, he keeps it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I just
I find so much of this like that. You have
to give predictions, and you know it can be a
play here, a play there, a pitch here, a pitch there,
So I don't love to do that. You know, how
do you see this going? How many is it going?
Is there a tangible momentum? I guess this is my question.
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Do you believe there's a tangible momentum created last night
based upon the Blue Jays play?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I think it's I feel like these are two boxers
that are very evenly matched in a lot of ways,
and so you went around, you lose a round. I mean,
it's that kind of game which is what makes us fun.
You know, seven games would be make complete sense, and
something just unexpected happening in game seven that could go
either way makes complete sense. There's teams that you see
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that you match up and you say, Okay, the Dodgers
absolutely truck the Brewers like that was just they just
blew them out and they didn't even really hit. Credit
to the Brewers pitching. But this is different, you know,
this is different. And and so I, you know, I
don't think that you could say, like, Okay, the Dodgers
have this skill set because they're you know, they're well funded,
and they have superstars and Max mount set actor hands
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haven't really gotten going and Mookie bats you mentioned. But
the Blue Jays are just kind of chained together in
this like uniform, very consistent approach that allows them to
kind of weather getting knocked down. And that's what's fun
about this series, you know, I just there's no real favorite.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Once you see these four games, you're like, these either
team can really win this. That's what's fun. And guess
what they're going to Toronto and they got you know,
two games at home that that's advantaged Toronto.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Doug Lanville. Check out his website Welcome mclanville. You listen
to him on ESPN radios. He calls the World Series
with our guy boog Shamby. Doug, You're the best man,
Thanks so much for joining.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Us, thanks for always pleasure.
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Speaker 7 (25:10):
Blatty hits it high left field, Hernandez back hold the track.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Looks up, it is gone. Pluck a top.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Vladimir Correro Junior.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Puts them in the lead with a two run shot
two to one Blue Jays in the top of the third.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Oh what a big home run. And honestly, again I
will chase do all credit you right. It's like it's
one of those things where you I don't think any
of us had any at least I didn't have any
true feel for how good Gladdy was or Gladdy Junior is.
Like you watch him, but I don't watch Blue Jays baseball.
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If I watch baseball in the regular season, generally Dodgers,
you know, or the big games or whatever.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Like.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's not that I don't respect the Blue Jays's just
not appointment view. You don't go, oh Blue Jays, I'm
gonna watched, and you watched the consistency of that swing
was awesome. Like to get around on that sweeper that
high in the zone, I mean not dude, that is
some strength on strength. That was amazing. Also on TV
last night was the NBA. No, I'm not talking about
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the games in the NBA. I'm talking about Michael Jordan's
second appearance on NBC where he's basically being interviewed by
Mike Turrico. Take a listen to what mj had to
say on the insights to excellence in regards to load management.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
What do you think of when you hear the term
load management thrown around.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Uh, well, it shouldn't be needed first and foremost. You know,
I never wanted to miss a game because it was
the opportunity to prove it was. It was something that
I felt like, you know, the fans are there that
watch me play. I want to I want to impress
that guy way up on top who probably worked his
ass off to get a ticket or to get money
to buy a ticket. You have a duty that if
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they're wanting to see you, and as an entertainer, I
want to show right, if the guys are coming to
watch me play, I don't want to miss that opportunity. Now, physically,
if I can't do it, then I can't do it.
But physically, if I can do it and I just
don't feel like doing it, that's a whole different lens.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Hmm. There you go, there you go. Yeah, if I
can do it, then I will do it. I think's
what's fascinating. And we've heard these arguments before. Barkley's talked
about it. Shack sort of talked about it, right, he
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sort of talked about it. Every other former NBA or
you know, is reliving their glory days talking about back
in their day they played a two games. We would
all agree it's different than Michael Jordan saying it. And
we got the podcast. The podcast drops the start of
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So we'll talk a little bit more about this. But byer,
you know, I think the only two winners in Jordan's
saying that last night, and he's not obviously not the first,
won't be the last to talk about it. The winners
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are Jordan himself at NBC because everybody is playing Jordan's comments.
So Michael Jordan looks even more heroic as opposed to
all the current players because he played eighty two games,
and NBC looks great because like, hey, we hired Jordan
and he said something. Regardless of whether or not most
people have said this anyway, it's Michael Jordan's saying something.
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I don't think the NBA wins because it makes the
current NBA look kind of laughable, laughably soft and inept
in comparison to the old NBA. Obviously, the current players
don't win, current stars don't win. I think the only
winners are Jordan an NBC.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I'm just glad that Jordan didn't give I wanted the
fans to make sure that they could see me argument.
While I know that maybe a valid argument to some,
I think that it takes responsibility off the players themselves,
and Jordan just saying I wanted to go out there
and compete is all that the other NBA players need
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to know. I do think that there is a different
time now where we wait so much on championships, and
maybe it's because of Michael Jordan that we do that,
where it is trying to put yourself in the best
possible spot to be able to win a championship. So
I do think that that argument from the other side
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is fair. But I just am glad that Jordan just
took the responsibility and said, essentially, I'm a competitor. I
didn't want to miss a game. I wanted to win
at everything that I could, And I don't think that
that notion is prevalent in the NBA at this point.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I don't know the one thing I will tell you,
I'm gonna agree and then sort of disagree with you.
Dan Sill, stick with me. I agree with you that
it feels like championships are way more like we as
media members have created this. If you didn't win a championship,
you didn't do anything. And while it was always a thing,
it's even more so now than it's ever been before.
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I will point out though, that during the rise of Jordan,
right that was when Magic and Bird were dominating the
league and they were judged purely based upon the number
of championships won, and Jordan was the guy that everyone
said he's the best player ever, but he's never won
a championship, so we can't. And then he started winning
championships and you know, essentially didn't lose one with exception
of the year the wh he returned and he's wearing
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forty five. The point I'm saying is, I think I
agree with you in that the twenty four to seven
news cycle, which didn't exist back then, has pushed even
more so to the championships for nothing. But it was
a thing when he was playing that solidified you as
the all time greats in terms of did you win
a championship, number of championships won. So again, it's probably smarter, right,
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It's probably smarter to do it this way. Here's the
counterintuitive part, the part that doesn't make sense. All of
these doctors are using data and saying you're more likely
to get injured if you play more. You have to
manage you have to manage people's body, you have to
manage the amount of time in the court. What's crazy
about it is we didn't have this rash of Achilles
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injuries then. We didn't. We didn't have guys missing games.
It's really similar. Well, this is a stretch. It's really
similar to anything. Like we didn't test for things back then,
and it's no different than like autism rates, like they're
through the roof now. Yeah, but we didn't test for it.
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We didn't have a baseline, and more things are considered
autism now or or mental health in terms of people
doing harm to themselves or committing suicide. We have more
access to mental health than we've ever had, and yet
there's a greater mental health crisis than we've ever had before.
They have better medicine, they travel better, they're taking care
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of better, they practice less, the equipment is better, they
play fewer games, and yet there's more injuries. It doesn't
make any sense. It is counterintuitive. But last night none
of that mattered to As people who don't like Jordan
will point out, they're right here that Jordan helped Jordan
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last night. Jordan helped NBC last night. I don't think
anybody else is really helped last night. Come on next
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That's always fun. Daniel Jeremiah joins us as well. I
got a lot of NFL talk to add to this
baseball talk. Before we get to any of that talk,
let's get to Dan Faire for a game.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
All right, Doug, the game today is for better or Worse.
Here's an opportunity for Doug to tell us what is
better or possibly what is worse in this showdown of
two subjects. Sometimes it's three. We start out for better
or Worse World series feel. We've had two games, both
in Toronto and La So Doug for Better or the
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Worst World Series Feel, Toronto versus Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I mean there was a I don't know if it
was a drone or satellite shot last night where you
had the sunset. He had just enough smug so it
creates the kind of color crystals sort of thing. The
backdrop of downtown LA with Chevezravine eighty eight or so degrees. Again,
I think Toronto's created a really good baseball environment. But
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Dodger Stadium, no, no question.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Better Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I thought it was pretty crazy in Toronto those first
two make.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
It was crazy, okay, And when I was watching it,
I was like, man, this is just like when the
Raptors won the NBA Finals, right. It was a different
level of craziness and passion. But there is something to
Dodger Stadium. Maybe it's me being nostalgic, maybe it's me
having been to World Series games there, or just that
the knowledge of all the history of that building, that setting.
But I think Chavez Ravine is better.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Bob Nightingale just said ninety three degrees right now at
Dodger State, Sam, what do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (35:02):
I had a buddy there and he was like, you know,
it is warm, And then Jason, were you pulling? I
missed the beginning of the game. Were you pulling my
leg when you said John Smoltz did comment on the weather?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I definitely was, because I think, oh, it's okay, ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, the team that plays in the cold weather
team plays the cold weather one decisively.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I actually, Sam, You're not alone. I was like, wait,
did Smoltz?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I did too. I was like, wait, I wasn't watching.
I missed that part.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
You can never tell what Jason with his delivery all right?
For better or worse uniform last night? The Blue Jays
baby blues versus the traditional Dodger uniform.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, this is gonna be sacrilege, but baby blues. Yeah,
had a Blue Jays baby blues. The baby baby the
baby blue trend in Major League Baseball is one that
I have an affinity for. It is so yeah, baby
baby Blues are better than the Dodgers. Even the Dodgers
are awesome.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I have a question for you, guys. I wasn't paying
attention close enough, and I'm sure it's a google away,
but I'll just have it out on national radio. When
Justin Bieber shows up, is he wearing a Bieber jersey
like Shane Bieber? Yes, he is, so it's the same number.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
He's a believer.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Believerer. I mean that's smart. It's your last name and
also Canadian were Bieber Jersey. There's like a well traveled
Dodgers player, Brock Stewart. He keeps coming back and forth
getting traded away, and I'm like, I need to get
a brock Stewart jersey. It's the one jersey that has
my name.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Love that you could get it.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, could you get a well, you could get a
bunch of different Stewarts throughout the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Dave Stewart, you get.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Jonathan Stewart, Carolina Panthers jersey. Maybe Big Michael at your
borrow heres? Uh for better or worse? Doug Veteran backup
quarterback Kirk Cousins versus Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Ooh uh, I'm gonna go with Andy Dalton. Kirk Cousins.
I don't know what happened midyear last year when he
got hurt or whatever, but god, he sucks now. Not
good at the pos.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
It was rough last week, all right, final one before
we let you go. College football coaching job LSU versus Florida.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I think Florida. Ooh, I think well, I'll tell you
why I think Florida because it has been a minute
since they've been really really successful. Where's LSU. It's like,
unless you win eleven twelve a year, they're always looking
for a new one. I think you'll get more leeway
at Florida. And that is game time.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
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Speaker 1 (37:56):
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The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every single day over
twenty years running. And we have ourselves a series, right,
I mean it felt like a series before. They always
say in basketball, series doesn't start till the road team
wins a game. Dodgers won a game in Game two,
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then the Dodgers win an epic game in Game three,
and then what's a one nothing Dodger lead becomes a
two to one Blue Jays lead on a Vlad Guerrero
Junior to run home run against show. Hey Otani, and
here we are, there we are. I have a really
good baseball series.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Dodgers through a reliever to the Wolves as they're as
they're prone to do. Blake Snell goes tonight ton to
talk about as as Dan Bayer said yesterday, Hey, remember
the NBA. Yeah, that was fun. We talked about it
for about two days. And I actually think that's the
power of when you know you have a baseball series
that captivates people's attention, because look, when the NFL is
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not being played, you can still talk about the NBA.
I mean, so you still talk about the NFL, but
there is room during the week for other sports conversation.
And because Major League Baseball, I think was so good
Game two, it's got our attention. It's got our attention.
(01:50):
I guess here's a question. We do make things out
to be either your clutch or you're not clutch, right,
But Shoe Hay has shown himself to have these games
where he's just incredibly dominant. Game four of the of
the nl CS, right, unbelievable, three home runs, strikes out ten.
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Dude's incredible. Then you go to Game three of the
World Series and he hits two home runs, it's four
to four. He's on base all nine times he strides
up to the plate. It's weird, though, to sit there
and go. You start to realize the idea of being
clutched can at times be a flawed idea because I
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give you show, hey, Otani, you can't be as good
as he was last game, as good as he's been
in big situations, and then you know, you do give
up a two run home run. That's just that just
shows a bunch of things. One, it can be sort
of ridiculous on how we hyper judge clutchness in a
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sport like baseball. It also shows just the levels there
the mistakes that are made are so magnified. And he
made this mistake on a sweeper against one of the
five best hitters in the sport who deposited that one
at a home run, and it felt like a weight
off of the back of the Blue Jays. And it
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now comes back around to Blake Snow who's been great
in the World Series in the past, great obviously last series,
but was terrible by his own admission, in Game one
against the Blue Jays. And the Blue Jays all stats
tell you they eat up left handed pitching, especially left
handed starting pitching. Now that doesn't mean I'm calling a
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series from one side or the other, but it just
got really, really interesting. It had been interesting, but it
had been despite the fact the Blue Jays they're an
expensive team, They're a talented team. It had been one
in which it was really about, hey, are the Dodgers
two rested too rusty? And can the Blue Jays put
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them in a spot where they can't come from behind?
And then it became about that epic Game three, And
now it's like, not is it ever anyone's game, but
it does go back to you're gonna have to win
that series in Toronto, Jay stew take me through again.
I loved what you shared with us yesterday because of
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the true emotions you felt watching a team that you're
not just a fan. You're You're not like I'm a fan,
You're a real fan. You really pay attention, you really care,
and you really understand what and why the support is
is is how it is? What's your emotions in watching
last night's game.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Last night's game was a kind of a microcosm of
what we've been watching all season with this team. I
think people loose side of the fact that this team
largely underperformed during the season, and I mean, you make
a big out of the bullpen. That's kind of will
hanging fruit as far as what this team doesn't do well.
But it also is renowned for just going dark offensively,
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They'll go two three games with getting just a few hits.
Mookie Betts three for nineteen, Maxi Montsey three for seventeen,
Tommy Edmin three for eighteen, and Key k Hernandez three
for sixteen. And then this didn't even include Andy Pajas,
who I think is one for twenty or something ridiculous.
So it's this is just one of the warts that
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is magnified. But I'm not surprised. But I do want
to quote one of the great orders of our time,
Magic Johnson. He's one of the owners of the Dodgers.
He tweeted this out a couple hours ago. With the
series being two to two, game five is very important.
Whichever team wins takes control of the series exclamation point.
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So I'm going to lean on magic great insight and
we'll see what happens today.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Has there ever been anyone who's worse on social media
and more successful in life than Magic Johnson? Byer, what
do you think? Has there ever been anyone who's more
successful in life?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Probably not, I don't know. I haven't. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Can I can let me explain the Magic Johnson thing,
because I saw it in full effect in August. Dana
and David Pump are dear friends of mine. They they
they've had their fingers in a lot of different thing,
hands on a lot of different things in terms of
basketball over the years. But they have a Pump Foundation,
family Foundation dinner. They have a cancer award research center
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named after their mom in at Northridge Hospital, and so
they do a fundraiser every year. And I'm seen it
like I think fifteen years and Magic got up to
raise money and he donated for the open game with
the Lakers against the Warriors. Like ten seats you sat
with Mag It was some crazy, crazy deal. But I'm
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I have to admit that, like everybody, when you read
Magic tweets, you're like, oh my god, what am I
dealing with here? How is this guy so successful in
business and so bad on social media? So captain obvious? Right,
that was the Captain obvious. Captain Obvious thinks that tweet
was Captain obvious. But you see him in front of
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a room and how he it's not just a smile,
he just he points guys out and in the in
midstream of of doing some sort of ted talk to
motivate people, he just makes everybody feel like he got you.
He's paying attention to you, he knows you, he loves you,
and he and you connect with magic. But man, if
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you went with if you went based upon social media,
you would think that guy's the biggest yuts there is.
And yet guy's likely he's a billionaire and it's amazing.
But yeah, Game five does determine the series. I love
the baseball. It's like bang bang bang bang bang, And
I get that. You look, we're dragging on into November anyway,
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so it's not like baseball has moved along. But gosh,
this is it's so watchable because the emotions are still
from the night before, are still present, Like I'm watching
last night's game, and I still kind of feel like
I'm watching the previous night's game, and I'm still on
that emotional high from watching a great sporting event, even
though it's not my team. I can't imagine for Jason Stewart,
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who because it is his team and he's so emotionally
and mentally invested, And then imagine being a player and hey,
we got to get back after it. I know, when
you start playing, you're not thinking of big picture of
things or Hey, we just got done playing last night.
But I love this the baseball bam bam, bam, bam bam,
as opposed to like NBA finals that are so spaced out.
(08:54):
I just love this. Go ahead, Dan, look like you had.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Some well just quickly on that point. The NBA spaces
it out so much so everybody gets rest. But I
think that's part of the genius of baseball is it
reflects what the regular season is so as a whole,
and I think that Game three may have taken a
toll on some of the players. I don't know if
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the weather did last night. We joked about that earlier
with Sam, but it was warm, like it was, it
was hot. But that's part of the genius of it
of Dave Roberts even said, I think during the game
on Game three, early on when he was doing his
in game interview, when they had a decision to make
with glass. Now, He's like, you know, I don't necessarily
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want to go to the pen here, you know, four
innings in, you know, to Game three, when we've got
these three games here. I think that's all part of it.
I think that's that's it. I don't want to say
it's a better way to make you know a champion
or to determine a champion. But it just fits at
least with what the regular season is, where you don't
have guys where you could just throw your best pitcher
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in five out of the seven games.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
A good friend of mine, Reality Steve. You can find
him at Reality Steve on social media, big Dodger fan,
and he floated this idea, and I think this actually
is a good one, that there should be a rule
in place in the World Series that if a game
goes a certain amount of time or a certain amount
of innings, then you just take the next day off
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so that both teams could kind of reset their bullpen
and stuff. I don't think it was fair to either
team to play the game yesterday, And as a fan
and I didn't go, but I talked to people that
actually went to both games and they were just exhausted.
I mean, could you imagine dealing with that traffic in
and out and get in less than twenty four hours.
But anyways, so as a viewer on my couch, I
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was exhausted. I'm like, do I really want to watch
another game?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I honestly felt the same thing. And again, I don't
have the I don't have a horse in the race. Yes, yes, stampire.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
No, I was just gonna say Jason's point of like, man,
I was so exhausted going to both World Series games,
like is a first world problem. I mean, how many
how many people there went to the game before? Do
you think I would say not much?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
J Justin Herbert going to both games.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
He wasn't there last night they had a different parade
as star Prince Harry. Yeah, which, by the way, I
knew the Dodgers are going to lose once I saw
Megan Markle with a Dodgers head on. It was over cool.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
If there's ever a cooler in wife, it's Megan Markle.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
She's like, the Dodgers haven't lost yet. Guys, you guys,
you've everer that interview anybody?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yes, anybody yet yet yet? Yeah? I mean, like, look,
could you have I guess you could have get hey,
let's everybody take the day off. I don't know the
reality to that. I guess you could pull it off
because they have had weather delays and whatever, but it
would it would screw everything up.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Do you think it helped Toronto last night? I don't
think it helped either. Team Toronto ended up winning. There
has to be a winner, but I don't think it
was fair to either team to play on that turnaround
at this level. At this level, you know, these games
are real important. Take the day off, come back on Wednesday,
and even if you have to, like not have the
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day in between for travel, I think the players would
probably choose that because they're in used in the regular season,
they'll travel across the country and play the next day
all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But did they travel to a different country.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Usually not night games though, So that's the only difference
is if you would you could play a day game,
get out of town, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Because you have to get away to getaway day before
they play the next day. That would be the only thing.
What you're bringing up, though, is a real thing. Like
I think everybody was like, you know, I could just
kind of use a day that was a lot yesterday.
But to Dan's point, it is kind of the beauty
to baseball, which is you have to you have to plan.
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And this is where the Dodgers, I think who is
the reliever you said was basically doing the Kershaw because
the Dodgers did that with Kershaw, going back to the
going back to the ds right where they threw him
out there, and he took a punishment, like why are
they leaving him out there, Like, dude, save the rest
of the bullpen, you know, let him just eat it
for a couple of innings and then the next day
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will be fresh and rested. So there is some gamesmanship
to it in that you have to you have to
in the back of your mind going we play tomorrow
and now they play again today, and they're fried fried.
Everybody's fried today. But that is the beauty of this thing.
And one of the other big storylines of the day
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in sports is Michael Jordan saying he doesn't understand the
need for load management and he doesn't agree with it.
And it was on NBC in Peacock, which is one
of the rights holders, And you know, then you balance
that out with baseball, where they already play one hundred
and sixty two. Granted, most of the guys don't play
one hundred and sixty two, but are we really going
to complain about having guys play back to back nights
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after eighteen eightings of baseball when we're trying to make
this out to be some glorious, manly exhibition that you
can show up every day and play. Here's Dave Roberts,
skipper of the Dodgers, summing up his team's struggles on offense.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
We haven't found our rhythm. We haven't. It sort of
draws dead at certain parts of the lineup and different parts,
different innings, different games. You know, guys are competing. Certainly
in the postseason, you're seeing everyone's best. But yeah, you know,
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my hope is we regroup tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, listen, Munsey and Mookie not hitting, although Mookie had
a line drive that was stabbed going down the at
third base, so it wasn't an exit Velow problem. But
I do think that's sort of what he's getting to,
and it's what Jason Stewart has warned us about. It's like, look, dude,
I watch this team all the time. They go through
these droughts, droughts, and don't be fooled by some late
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season success or some postseason heroics. One hundred and sixty
two does tell you who they are, and this is
much more who they are. Is that bear Jaysue?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
No, that's a good summation.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
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major leagues, got his own website, Baseball Savot will get
his opinion on the World Series, which is tied it
to a piece. After an epic epic eighteen inning game,
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Blue jaysmack back you've heard of on ESPN Radio played
nine years in the big longtime commentator writer launches ow
website called Welcome to Glanville. He's the one and only
Doug Landville who joins us on The Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Doug, what was last night like
coming off of the eighteen inning epic from the night
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and early morning before.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, I mean outside of the delirium because I think
I got home at like four twenty or something. It's like,
you know, it was a different tone, a different tenor
you saw tany of course being able to you know,
bounce back the same day and pitch like he did,
but at the same time, you know, one mistake and
Vladimir Geroa Junior hitting the home run. They sort of
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opened up the door, and you heard John Sider, the
manager after the game, talk about like that's you know,
we're the beginning team, like we kind of find ways
and then it gets contagious throughout the lineup. It's something
that they do well to get that quick strike, biginning,
and it's hard to recover from that in the postseason,
when you know, you get the ball in, you get
the specialization out of the bullpen, and then trying to
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get a big league and recover from it is very tough.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
S Doug gott Leaps show on Fox Sports. Here, that's
Doug Glanville, who's joining us is get ready for a
Game five of the World Series. Schneider talked about how
big the home run was from Vlad, how it really
turbo charged the team. Is that changed? Can you feel
that in the stadium, Well.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
You know, Tani's on the mound, or you have an
assa Yamamoto and you're like, are we going to get
to this guy? You know, you just kind of have
that going through your mind, like or how are we
going to break through? Maybe it's the next time around,
maybe you see him again. But then Otani has seven pitches,
so the sweeper turns into a splitter. You know he's
able to adjust, and then you get a mistake, and
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that's no guarantee that you're going to hit the mistake
because you know his sweeper is pretty tough. But he
hung the sweeper and boom that It changes everything and
then you're like, Okay, the invincibility is down. Now we
can kind of find ways to try to capitalize. And
most importantly, they got the lead where ultimately they said
all right, turn to the pitching and say you have
to now hold this. But they were able to give
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him some insurance runs on top of that, and then
all of a sudden, everybody in the Blue Jays started
pulling in the same direction to just close off that
lead and hold it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
What did what they do to pitch to Otani last night?
I mean, they couldn't get him out the night before,
so I think common guest was, well, they're just gonna
intentionally walk them. They didn't struck him out twice. He
did get on once with a walk. Would they do
differently in their.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Approach with Otani? It's you know, one thing that you
may be able to capitalize on is if you're mixing.
I mean extreme, mixing it up up and end down
the way, changing speeds. It doesn't always work, but you
have to locate. But the thing about Atani that does
get him in trouble periodically, he's aggressive, but he chases.
He'll really expand the zone and you'll have to use
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that against him. And we saw that in the Phillies Seria.
We saw it a lot in the Brewers series where
he was really struggling, and a lot of that had
to do with him expanding the zone to the point
where he was swinging to kind of everything. And they
do that by mixing speeds too. It's hard in slow
away changing speeds, spinning it and both the point you
got to execute though, you got to put it on
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the spot because you can do all that all day long,
and if you miss, you've got to be getting a
new baseball. So they did a good job of that
last night.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I know
Toronto hits lefties very well. But from your by your estimation,
what went wrong for Blake Snell in Game one that
he can fix tonight.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Two things stand out. One is the Blue Jays are
just a different beast. I mean, you know, although the
Brewers have a lot of the same flavor, the Blue
Jays ability to make contact and put the ball in
play plays out, not only because the defense has to
close out and execute on defensive plays to record outs.
It's not the pitches that you throw that you think
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is like, Okay, this will set up the next pitch
are getting fouled off. They're just frustrating because you think
you can put them nay and then they slap it
into the dugout and get another shot at it. So
you have to repeat, and you have to really repeat.
And the thing about Blake Snell that gets them a
little bit in trouble is he gets inefficient quickly when
those pitch counts start going up, and he's because he
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throws that four seam fastball, which he wasn't locating well
that first game, and once they start filing it off
and get another shot at it, he's not getting into
his plan, which is throw that fastball, bounce the curveball,
get the change up going, and the secondary pitches, those
slower ones really play well off the fastball, but if
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you're not establishing it and you can't because the team
is putting it in play, or fouling it off. Then
it's a little tougher for Snell to recover. So he
ends up in five innings, one hundred pitches. You know,
that's the Snell that kind of ends up in that
middle path of Snell instead of the one they need
to go eight with one hit.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You were going to give Mookie some advice, Yeah, right,
he struggled last years. He struggled this yeries he did,
you know, like he did rip one down the line
that was stagged by a third basement. So it's not
like he's he's striking out every time. He's not windmilling,
but he's struggling. And this is now where what eight
eight consecutive games where he's he's not there? What would
(21:22):
you tell him?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I go back to fundamentals if I if I break
down anything mechanically, it's the top hand, you know where
that gets that bat like kind of through the plane,
squaring up the ball. It's dragging on him. And what
that does is you're going to see the pop ups, right,
You're going to get under the ball, and when you
get under the ball, you start hitting more of the
(21:46):
lazy fly balls. The thing to know about Mookie bats
is throughout his career, even in MVP season, he didn't
hit a lot of balls to right field that were
hits and hard hits and doubles and triples. He really
didn't have a very high average even this year. I
think he was in the under two hundred when he
puts the ball and play the right field the way.
He was successful on pitches away outside corner that you're
(22:09):
supposed to go theoretically take it to right field. He
hooked those balls. He would take a slider down in
the way or away and be able to hit it
in the left field, hit it off the Green Monster
when he was in Boston. So he covered the sort
of weakness of not being able to drive the ball
the opposite seat by pulling the ball. But that's not
there right now because to do that you really have
(22:30):
to have your top hand in position to do that.
If it's lagging and dropping, then you not only cannot
go to right field, but you're going to start getting
those lazy pop ups. So is it mechanics, is it
a combination of just being off and all those things
could be a combination. But if I'm working drills for me,
I would be like doing top hand drills all day
(22:51):
long and smacking the ball into right center, and that's
at least mechanically a reset. You know. Now you've got
to get the mental side as well, and he's one
of the mentally toughest mental players in the game. Once
he finds that, he keeps it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I just
I find so much of this like that. You have
to give predictions, and you know it can be a
play here, a play there, a pitch here, a pitch there,
So I don't love to do that. You know, how
do you see this going? How many is it going?
Is there a tangible momentum? I guess this is my question.
(23:24):
Do you believe there's a tangible momentum created last night
based upon the Blue Jays play?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I think it's I feel like these are two boxers
that are very evenly matched in a lot of ways,
and so you went around, you lose a round. I mean,
it's that kind of game which is what makes us fun.
You know, seven games would be make complete sense, and
something just unexpected happening in game seven that could go
either way makes complete sense. There's teams that you see
(23:52):
that you match up and you say, Okay, the Dodgers
absolutely truck the Brewers like that was just they just
blew them out and they didn't even really hit. Credit
to the Brewers pitching. But this is different, you know,
this is different. And and so I, you know, I
don't think that you could say, like, Okay, the Dodgers
have this skill set because they're you know, they're well funded,
and they have superstars and Max mount set actor hands
(24:15):
haven't really gotten going and Mookie bats you mentioned. But
the Blue Jays are just kind of chained together in
this like uniform, very consistent approach that allows them to
kind of weather getting knocked down. And that's what's fun
about this series, you know, I just there's no real favorite.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Once you see these four games, you're like, these either
team can really win this. That's what's fun. And guess
what they're going to Toronto and they got you know,
two games at home that that's advantaged Toronto.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
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to him on ESPN radios. He calls the World Series
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Thanks so much for joining.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
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Speaker 7 (25:10):
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Speaker 8 (25:19):
Vladimir Correro Junior.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Puts them in the lead with a two run shot
two to one Blue Jays in the top of the third.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Oh what a big home run. And honestly, again I
will chase do all credit you right. It's like it's
one of those things where you I don't think any
of us had any at least I didn't have any
true feel for how good Gladdy was or Gladdy Junior is.
Like you watch him, but I don't watch Blue Jays baseball.
(25:50):
If I watch baseball in the regular season, generally Dodgers,
you know, or the big games or whatever.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Like.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's not that I don't respect the Blue Jays's just
not appointment view. You don't go, oh Blue Jays, I'm
gonna watched, and you watched the consistency of that swing
was awesome. Like to get around on that sweeper that
high in the zone, I mean not dude, that is
some strength on strength. That was amazing. Also on TV
last night was the NBA. No, I'm not talking about
(26:16):
the games in the NBA. I'm talking about Michael Jordan's
second appearance on NBC where he's basically being interviewed by
Mike Turrico. Take a listen to what mj had to
say on the insights to excellence in regards to load management.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
What do you think of when you hear the term
load management thrown around.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Uh, well, it shouldn't be needed first and foremost. You know,
I never wanted to miss a game because it was
the opportunity to prove it was. It was something that
I felt like, you know, the fans are there that
watch me play. I want to I want to impress
that guy way up on top who probably worked his
ass off to get a ticket or to get money
to buy a ticket. You have a duty that if
(26:56):
they're wanting to see you, and as an entertainer, I
want to show right, if the guys are coming to
watch me play, I don't want to miss that opportunity. Now, physically,
if I can't do it, then I can't do it.
But physically, if I can do it and I just
don't feel like doing it, that's a whole different lens.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Hmm. There you go, there you go. Yeah, if I
can do it, then I will do it. I think's
what's fascinating. And we've heard these arguments before. Barkley's talked
about it. Shack sort of talked about it, right, he
(27:34):
sort of talked about it. Every other former NBA or
you know, is reliving their glory days talking about back
in their day they played a two games. We would
all agree it's different than Michael Jordan saying it. And
we got the podcast. The podcast drops the start of
the third hour of the show. So in an hour
and what what an hour and twenty two minutes hour
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So we'll talk a little bit more about this. But byer,
you know, I think the only two winners in Jordan's
saying that last night, and he's not obviously not the first,
won't be the last to talk about it. The winners
(28:18):
are Jordan himself at NBC because everybody is playing Jordan's comments.
So Michael Jordan looks even more heroic as opposed to
all the current players because he played eighty two games,
and NBC looks great because like, hey, we hired Jordan
and he said something. Regardless of whether or not most
people have said this anyway, it's Michael Jordan's saying something.
(28:41):
I don't think the NBA wins because it makes the
current NBA look kind of laughable, laughably soft and inept
in comparison to the old NBA. Obviously, the current players
don't win, current stars don't win. I think the only
winners are Jordan an NBC.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I'm just glad that Jordan didn't give I wanted the
fans to make sure that they could see me argument.
While I know that maybe a valid argument to some,
I think that it takes responsibility off the players themselves,
and Jordan just saying I wanted to go out there
and compete is all that the other NBA players need
(29:18):
to know. I do think that there is a different
time now where we wait so much on championships, and
maybe it's because of Michael Jordan that we do that,
where it is trying to put yourself in the best
possible spot to be able to win a championship. So
I do think that that argument from the other side
(29:40):
is fair. But I just am glad that Jordan just
took the responsibility and said, essentially, I'm a competitor. I
didn't want to miss a game. I wanted to win
at everything that I could, And I don't think that
that notion is prevalent in the NBA at this point.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I don't know the one thing I will tell you,
I'm gonna agree and then sort of disagree with you.
Dan Sill, stick with me. I agree with you that
it feels like championships are way more like we as
media members have created this. If you didn't win a championship,
you didn't do anything. And while it was always a thing,
it's even more so now than it's ever been before.
(30:20):
I will point out though, that during the rise of Jordan,
right that was when Magic and Bird were dominating the
league and they were judged purely based upon the number
of championships won, and Jordan was the guy that everyone
said he's the best player ever, but he's never won
a championship, so we can't. And then he started winning
championships and you know, essentially didn't lose one with exception
of the year the wh he returned and he's wearing
(30:42):
forty five. The point I'm saying is, I think I
agree with you in that the twenty four to seven
news cycle, which didn't exist back then, has pushed even
more so to the championships for nothing. But it was
a thing when he was playing that solidified you as
the all time greats in terms of did you win
a championship, number of championships won. So again, it's probably smarter, right,
(31:08):
It's probably smarter to do it this way. Here's the
counterintuitive part, the part that doesn't make sense. All of
these doctors are using data and saying you're more likely
to get injured if you play more. You have to
manage you have to manage people's body, you have to
manage the amount of time in the court. What's crazy
about it is we didn't have this rash of Achilles
(31:31):
injuries then. We didn't. We didn't have guys missing games.
It's really similar. Well, this is a stretch. It's really
similar to anything. Like we didn't test for things back then,
and it's no different than like autism rates, like they're
through the roof now. Yeah, but we didn't test for it.
(31:53):
We didn't have a baseline, and more things are considered
autism now or or mental health in terms of people
doing harm to themselves or committing suicide. We have more
access to mental health than we've ever had, and yet
there's a greater mental health crisis than we've ever had before.
They have better medicine, they travel better, they're taking care
(32:14):
of better, they practice less, the equipment is better, they
play fewer games, and yet there's more injuries. It doesn't
make any sense. It is counterintuitive. But last night none
of that mattered to As people who don't like Jordan
will point out, they're right here that Jordan helped Jordan
(32:37):
last night. Jordan helped NBC last night. I don't think
anybody else is really helped last night. Come on next
to the Doug Gottlieb Show. What's the best open job
in college football? Right now? I'll tell you next.
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That's always fun. Daniel Jeremiah joins us as well. I
got a lot of NFL talk to add to this
baseball talk. Before we get to any of that talk,
let's get to Dan Faire for a game.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
All right, Doug, the game today is for better or Worse.
Here's an opportunity for Doug to tell us what is
better or possibly what is worse in this showdown of
two subjects. Sometimes it's three. We start out for better
or Worse World series feel. We've had two games, both
in Toronto and La So Doug for Better or the
(34:00):
Worst World Series Feel, Toronto versus Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I mean there was a I don't know if it
was a drone or satellite shot last night where you
had the sunset. He had just enough smug so it
creates the kind of color crystals sort of thing. The
backdrop of downtown LA with Chevezravine eighty eight or so degrees. Again,
I think Toronto's created a really good baseball environment. But
(34:25):
Dodger Stadium, no, no question.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Better Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I thought it was pretty crazy in Toronto those first
two make.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
It was crazy, okay, And when I was watching it,
I was like, man, this is just like when the
Raptors won the NBA Finals, right. It was a different
level of craziness and passion. But there is something to
Dodger Stadium. Maybe it's me being nostalgic, maybe it's me
having been to World Series games there, or just that
the knowledge of all the history of that building, that setting.
But I think Chavez Ravine is better.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Bob Nightingale just said ninety three degrees right now at
Dodger State, Sam, what do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (35:02):
I had a buddy there and he was like, you know,
it is warm, And then Jason, were you pulling? I
missed the beginning of the game. Were you pulling my
leg when you said John Smoltz did comment on the weather?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I definitely was, because I think, oh, it's okay, ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, the team that plays in the cold weather
team plays the cold weather one decisively.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I actually, Sam, You're not alone. I was like, wait,
did Smoltz?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I did too. I was like, wait, I wasn't watching.
I missed that part.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
You can never tell what Jason with his delivery all right?
For better or worse uniform last night? The Blue Jays
baby blues versus the traditional Dodger uniform.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, this is gonna be sacrilege, but baby blues. Yeah,
had a Blue Jays baby blues. The baby baby the
baby blue trend in Major League Baseball is one that
I have an affinity for. It is so yeah, baby
baby Blues are better than the Dodgers. Even the Dodgers
are awesome.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I have a question for you, guys. I wasn't paying
attention close enough, and I'm sure it's a google away,
but I'll just have it out on national radio. When
Justin Bieber shows up, is he wearing a Bieber jersey
like Shane Bieber? Yes, he is, so it's the same number.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
He's a believer.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Believerer. I mean that's smart. It's your last name and
also Canadian were Bieber Jersey. There's like a well traveled
Dodgers player, Brock Stewart. He keeps coming back and forth
getting traded away, and I'm like, I need to get
a brock Stewart jersey. It's the one jersey that has
my name.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Love that you could get it.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, could you get a well, you could get a
bunch of different Stewarts throughout the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Dave Stewart, you get.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Jonathan Stewart, Carolina Panthers jersey. Maybe Big Michael at your
borrow heres? Uh for better or worse? Doug Veteran backup
quarterback Kirk Cousins versus Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Ooh uh, I'm gonna go with Andy Dalton. Kirk Cousins.
I don't know what happened midyear last year when he
got hurt or whatever, but god, he sucks now. Not
good at the pos.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
It was rough last week, all right, final one before
we let you go. College football coaching job LSU versus Florida.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I think Florida. Ooh, I think well, I'll tell you
why I think Florida because it has been a minute
since they've been really really successful. Where's LSU. It's like,
unless you win eleven twelve a year, they're always looking
for a new one. I think you'll get more leeway
at Florida. And that is game time.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Game This is game time on The Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Coming up next, it's the midway on The Dug Gottlieb Show.
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