November 6, 2024 • 37 mins
Cleveland Browns' GM Andrew Barry was non-committal with reporters on Wednesday regarding quarterback Deshaun Watson's future with the team when his achilles injury heals. Doug weighs in on comments made by Bears' star receiver DJ Moore about his head coach Matt Eberflus. Doug welcomes TJ Houshmandzadeh onto the show to talk about DJ Moore, the Bengals and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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this hour, Daniel Jeremiah next hour. We'll shift our focus
(00:46):
s get you ready for the upcoming NFL slate. Should
be a really good week. I mean we have Thursday
night games. Sometimes haven't had the best matchups. Bengals versus
the Ravens is the opposite of that. It's a great matchup.
Great matchup. Bengal, who have I don't know when you
say underachieved right, lost a couple of games on the
last by one play to start the year. Kind of
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gotten together a little bit as of late, but this
is one It's a tall mountain to climb as the
Bengals have won three of four, have won four of six,
but those early losses, combined with the loss in overtime
to the Ravens earlier this year, are starting to kind
of pile up now after this game, they have the
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Chargers on the road. Chargers look like a potential playoff team.
Bye week, Steelers at home, then to the Cowboys, to
the Titans, Browns, Broncos against Steelers, so there's some wins
still to be had there, but this is one after
losing to the Ravens at home, you got to try
and even it up on the road. We'll preview that
game as well. Other team in that division. We mentioned
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the Browns, and I thought this would be interesting to you.
You know, I've said this for a long time that
if your answer after a year or two is I
don't know, then you know what the answer is. Right
If you go if you take a test drive for
a car, they're like, let you have it for a weekend.
(02:13):
If you drive it for the weekend, and they say
what do you think? You're like, I don't know. You
have your answer. If you've been dating a girl for
a year, year and a half and you say, well,
what's your guys future together, I don't know. You know
what your answer is. Your answer is do you It's
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not that you'd It's not that you don't want to
start over. It's that you don't want to start over.
Here's Andrew Berry when he was asked Andrew Berry's the
GM of the Browns when he's asked about Sean Watson's
future with the team.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Really our focus with Deshaun, I would say for any
player with a season editing injury and a major injury,
is first and foremost with the recovery and to make
sure that he gets healthy from the Achilles injury. You
have everything else will deal with that a later moment the world.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
In which Deshaun Watson, can you come back here and
play more.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Football for you guys? Yeah, I think that's always possible.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's always possible. There's a differencene possible, likely and going
to happen, right, possible and likely and going to happen?
Is it possible? Sure? Sure? Now a lot of things
are possible. Maybe the follow up to the follow up
should be, is it likely he didn't say that the
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Browns are left in the frankly and viable position. They
were in an invent vieable position before he got hurt.
Now it's like, and this gives us our chance to
get out of this terrible contract, really an ey sore
for the entire team. And then you think about the
fact that it would sound like he has a bad
rep for the things he's done off the football field
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and he's just killing it. He wasn't playing well, He's
had a bunch of injuries, and now he has an
achilles injury. The likely it is his performance won't be
as good, and it wasn't good enough even before that.
So I think the Browns have said everything they want
to say without saying a word, which is kind of
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masterful and a kind of genius even in its simplicity.
Because if they wanted Deshaun Watson back, if they expected
him to play, then that's what you lead with. We
want him back. All expectations are he's gonna play here
and we can't wait to get him back. If it's
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likely a it's you know, barring some crazy setback. He's
our guy. Well, we'll just make sure he handles rehab
first and then we'll figure that out. Is it possible
for him to go back? Sure, it's also possible for
pigs to fly. This is the Doug Gotlib Show here
(05:02):
on Fox Sports Radio. I guess the question becomes, does
does Deshaun Watson play another snap in the NFL? I
think the likelihood is now. I just don't think the
likelihood is now. And yes, most of it is his
own doing with the off the field accusations and oh yeah,
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by the way, also is on the field performance. But
the other part to it is not as much his
fault and that he's never been backup guy. That's not
who he is, that's not how he's wired, that's that's
not how he does what he does. Could he? Well,
I mean there's a world there with all the football
and the knowledge that he has, But some guys just
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aren't designed to be backups. And when you have an
I sort of a contract, one that the Browns would
do anything to get out of. You're coming off an achilles,
you've had two ACL surgery, you've had one two one
or two a one ACL surgery at some point they
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go like, ah, you know, too banged up to play.
But the reality is the contract's terrible. He's not good
and he's not designed. He's not wired to be a
backup quarterback. That takes completely different wiring and an acceptance
of your fate that you may or may not get
in games. That is not Deshaun Watson, not to Shaun Watson.
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So my guess is he's played his last NFL game,
and he's got a lot of money, and he had
a great college career, and as time passes on, there's
a world there where he you know, I don't know
if he ever does TV, but maybe does something for
Clemson or whatever, but the money should last him. Rapid
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We always talk about you know, we always talk about
uh is in in our In my world, in college basketball,
we say is the juice worth the squeeze, But in
the NFL, i've are you worth your problems? You know,
is your talent with your problems? And the thing about
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Deshaun Watson is whatever problems he had, they haven't chased him.
But the reputation is solidified and established and that's who
he is. That's who and what he is.
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Speaker 1 (07:59):
Stuggtleaps know Fox Sports Radio. We're live in the tyrack
dot com studios. It's really interesting. Obviously, I've lived on
one side of the media, and I've done the media
stuff when I was a college player and someone as
a professional player, but you know, I haven't played in
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the NFL. Let's not kid ourselves. On the other hand,
we've done the interviewing. We ask people questions all the time,
and you know, it's a little bit like what Andrew
Berry said without saying it, that I want to play
you some sound. So you know, there have been a
lot of people critical of Matt Eberflus I mean, Colin Cowhert,
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I don't did did Eberflus be in his corn flakes
at some point in time. I'm not really sure when
that moment was, but Colin has been on about hey,
they got to make coaching changes, all coaching, and there's
some validity to many of the things. He said. It
is you are the head coach, so when they call
a fourth down call that no one agrees with, even
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though you're not the offense courting your defensive guy, you
still have to own it. But players know, players know,
if coaches know what they're doing, if coaches have the
pulse of the locker room. Here's DJ Moore when he
was asked if Matt Eberflus has lost the locker room.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I want to say no. The message yesterday was that
we know we formed four. Now it's just like being
Zarrow zero. But he just got to go out there
and starts stacking wins. How he did, and that's the
best thing we can do is win and then let
the tips fall how they fall at the after we do.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So Yeah, I mean, I I what Dj Moore is
saying is he didn't say no, but he said, hey, look,
if we win we're okay. Yeah, that's actually not the
sign of a good group. Don't get me wrong. Everything
is good, everything tastes good, smells good, feels good when
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you win. When you win, but you have your culture
is you know, if your culture is intact, you know,
if your group is cohesion group, when they face the
adversity of multiple losses, they're still together and they still
listen to you, and they still believe.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I don't want to say no.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I don't want to say no. I don't want to
say no.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah, Dan, you know, there's something very interesting going on
with the Bears because it doesn't even seem like it's
a two sided fight because DJ Moore is kind of
in the center of all of this. But it was
his comments last week when he was critical of the
when iber Flush told him to keep his comments in house,
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and then DJ Moore said, yeah, that's what I was told.
And then this past week against Arizona, DJ Moore basically
quit on a play where he ran out of bounds
and I don't know if he pulled up lame, tweaked
an ankle or something, but took himself completely out of
the plane. Was on the sidelines as Caleb Williams is
running around, and then later on in the game at
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the end of the game, as the Bears were just
had the ball at the end, there's a spot where
you see Caleb Williams walking off the field and DJ
Moore walks past him and they bumped shoulders like you
would have if you had beef with someone. So I
don't know who Dj Moore is mad again or mad at,
but he sure seems to not be happy with Eberflus,
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and he sure seems to not be happy with Caleb
Williams at this point. So it's very, very odd because
I think we thought the divide would probably be Eberflus
and the coaches on one side at Caleb Williams and
the players on another. But it's a weird dynamic in
Chicago where DJ Moore finds himself in the center of
all this.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, I am I I think it's fascinating. I think
it's really fascinating to see, like, I don't know if
DJ Moore is getting exposed. Can I let's just do this, Dan,
(12:15):
I agree with you, Okay, you're one hundred percent right,
So can I tell you? Let me just tell you
my perception. You tell me if you think it's accurate.
He probably thinks Caleb Williams is getting treated with kid
gloves getting a pass. You know, he's the number one
overall pick and they're not hard enough on him, and
he's likely making mistakes or doing something or not just
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not getting the ball, and Ibravlus isn't holding him accountable,
and so that's why he's mad at both of them. Yeah,
that's what it feels like. Yeah, yeah, and again we
don't have any idea, Dan, do you have any idea?
I don't. I mean we can only read but hear
what he says and then read by language. But I'm
with you. I saw them bump shoulders. I was like,
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that's weird. Yeah, that's weird, very odd.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
It's also a very like, I don't know, a toxic
male thing to do where it's like you're you're both
trying to prove a point, so neither one budgets and
you get that scenario there. DJ Moore has a platform
every single week, you know, speaking today, speaking with you know,
media outlets, and and the whole thing last week of
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just saying like I should have kept my complaints in house. Well,
then you're talking about stuff that maybe should have been
kept in house. So it's it's very, very odd.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
The funny thing is, Doug is if you're trying to
get Matt Eberflus fired, DJ Moore is not doing a
great case to keep himself around in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
So that's what's odd.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
To me because why would you why would you keep
a guy around who who was disloyal to his previous coach.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Yeah, then it doesn't get along with the quarterback apparently right.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
And by the way, Caleb will is not going anywhere,
you know, like, you don't get rid of a guy
a number one overall pick in a year unless he's
an abject disaster. He's not an abject disaster. So again
it makes you think that what must be happening is
they must something about Caleb Williams and the accountability or
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mistakes or how he's carrying himself or whatever. But it's
pretty obvious that when somebody asked if you'd lost the
locker room, the answer is no interest Now, no.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
I got something. Yes, you remember when after the season
ended last year, Remember DJ Morrow was one of the
players that publicly said that he wanted justin fields back
and there was a little bit of awkwardness there when
they decided to drought the quarterback and they went back
to DJ Moore and he played he said the company line,
but there was that awkwardness there and that he was
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a fields guy. Then they bring in Caleb Williams, and
I'll add this as well. Do you remember that anonymous
executive who said about Williams that you're putting a lot
of faith and you're putting a lot of capital into
a guy that might be Prince. Do you remember that?
And I think everyone took the analogy of Prince as
that he's kind of eccentric or even girly or whatever,
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what the fingernail polish and everything, But I think what
he meant was Prince is aloof Prince is difficult. Prince
doesn't get along with people in his team. So maybe
there's something with all of this.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Maybe I think it said he's eccentric. Eccentric by the way,
eccentric is as misspelled and pronounced as espresso is just right.
Like if you ask somebody who doesn't know how do
you spell espresso? What do you think? They say? They
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all say, ex don't you think Jay?
Speaker 7 (16:02):
I think so espresso.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Am I saying it wrong?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It's espresso?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
So eccentric is actually eccentric?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's e c C is how it's spelled.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Yeah, I thought it was eccentric, isn't it. You're saying
centric like grocers your grocer's freezer.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
How is it actually pronounce because somebody get you there, eccentric.
Do the thing in your phone where it can where
it can say it right, like espresso. There is no X.
It's yes, espresso eccentric. Okay. Do you think it's eccentric?
Speaker 6 (16:39):
That's how I have pronounced it.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
It's just very.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Fat for centric. Okay. Uh. My point is, I do
think there's some people that think it's xcent eccentric X
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to get to? Let me ask you about DJ Moore.
I doesn't feel like he's been all in on Eberflus
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or on Caleb Williams. What's your read? You are a
talented wide receiver. You worked with some dudes who are
a little bit divas. He hasn't gone full you know,
he has a napalm the thing, fully, but there's definitely
a lack of complete buy in what would be he'd
be so upset about.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
I mean, you know, as receivers, we get very few
opportunities to impact the game. I'm assuming it's coming from
his lack of involvement in the offense one and they losing.
You winning games, you may not like your involvement, but
you're okay because you're winning games. But when we're losing
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and I'm not being involved in the offensive game plan,
and that's gonna be a problem. I've never thought that
Shane Waldron was a good play caller as far as
the way he sequenced his cause when he's expecting certain coverages.
But I guess when you come under Sean mcvage, you
get plenty of opportunities.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Let's talk about your Bengals. I think you know, you
look up on the board and they've sort of righted
the ship, winning three of their last four, but a
big win against the Ravens team they could have beaten
lost to in overtime at home. What is the current
state of the Bengals from your perspective.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
I mean they should go in there feeling good offensively,
but I mean they lost the defense. They lost a
game because the defense couldn't get a stop. You know,
jaw believe he had five touchdowns, almost four hundred yards
of total offense, and the defense just couldn't get that stop.
Up ten with less than four minutes. That game should
be one. And so you go into a confident offensively.
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Now I don't know if t Higgins is gonna play,
that will be a blow. And if he doesn't play,
then Jermaine, who did some things he shouldn't have done
last week, is gonna have to step up. Yosi, boss
gonna have to step up. I believe Orlando Brown will
be back, but the onus will be on in my opinion,
will they be able to run the ball against the Ravens.
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We know the Ravens have I believe, the worst passing
defense in the National Football League. But it's gonna come
down to can Jermaine Burden and Yosi Boss make an
impact in the passing game outside of Jamar Chase if
he doesn't play.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, t T's listeners doubtful for tomorrow. By the way,
how surprised are you they hung on to t Higginson
trade him at the trade deadline?
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Oh, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised that they actually traded
for her. But you know that's just something that Bengals
don't do. If t Lee see, they're gonna get a
third round compensatory pick anyway, So what somebody gonna give
him a first or second round pick? Probably not. And
so if you're not gonna get that White trade and
when you know you're gonna get a third round pick
for him anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
the Ravens? They play so well at times and then
some real stinkers. What's your take on where the Ravens
are not necessarily just in terms of the season, but
they're gonna be judged based upon the postseason. I know,
what are your thoughts on what the ceiling is for
this group.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
It's hard to get a post on what they are.
You know, did they lose opening Day against the Chiefs
and that made the game very interesting, Literally lost the
game where we can say by half an inch, and
then the other two losses to the Browns, who aren't
very good and the Raiders who aren't very good. So
it's almost as if like what type of team are they?
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But I know, offensively, this is the best we've ever
seen the Ravens under Lamar Jackson. They can run the
ball that will, They're passing the ball at will. This
is the best offensive team we've seen the Ravens have
with Lamar Jackson as far as being multi dimensional, can
beat you on the ground or in the air. The
surprise is, when's the last time we've seen the Ravens
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defense this bad. That's a shocker to me, and so
they should be optimistic. But they got to figure out
a way. Why are we losing the teams that we
should be beaten handily?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's a great question. I mean, the only thing I
can think of is, well, when you spend that much
money at quarterback and on pieces of the offense, there's
got to be a shortfall. Maybe that's where the shortfall is.
I guess that's the I don't know.
Speaker 9 (21:32):
Doug, that's the myth man, because when people bring that up,
you know, as far as how much the quarterback's making.
All all I do is refer back to one team.
Their quarterbacks making a ton of money, and so is
everybody else on that team. Almost you look at the Eagles,
both their receivers are highly paid, their running back is
highly paid, Both tackles are highly paid. Darius Slayer is
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highly paid. Like, to me, that's an excuse when they say,
oh the salary recap, our quarterback is making it. Look
at the go are they doing it?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Great question?
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Eagles are doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's it's a it's a it's a great question.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
Right, So if you want to get it done, you
can get it done. You've got to find a way.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, And I and I think the Ravens are better
at quarterback than the Eagles are at quarterback. It's an ambulous,
established question.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
They're They're lucky, though, Doug, because Zay Flowers their best receiver,
Ricky contract. They just traded for Deontay Johnson, who will
be a free agent at the end of the season.
Obviously they pay Derek Henry, but under market value considering
what he's doing. It's just the Ravens have been so
good defensively that they constantly are losing defensive coordinators because
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they're getting opportunities to advance themselves in their career. Figure
it out. I'm a fan of both teams. I love
I love Harball, He's one of my favorite coaches. But
I always go with my heart wants to Bingles and
I feel we have a genuine chance.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Did you know Jane Daniels was a.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Good I did Doug. He trained with us. I've seen
it every day. My only concern going into this had
nothing to do with that Jadon Daniels. It had to
do with dan Quinn being a defensive coach. Would he
really let Kingsbury just kind of take the reins and
then that's just be the head coach of the offense.
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And I should have known he would have done that
because he did it with Kyle Shanahan in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Oh, he did it with Kyle Shanahan. He's doing it
with Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah. I'm watching Jayden throughout this process.
I felt like he would be really good, extremely accurate,
really good. Arm didn't run the forty, but would probably
run a four to three. The players are gonna.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Grow who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's a four to three.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Doug s stop stop.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I love you. Four to three is wide, elite wide
receiver speed.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
When if you ever get a chance to interview him
or anybody on that team or anybody at LSU.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Four three, come on, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna lie
if you go four four four, you go four five.
I'm good four five. If you can run a four
to three, you run for the clock.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Telling you I've seen it, you know, actually summing what
he ran when he was uh when a timed? Okay,
I will I don't think, not what I think, not
what I see.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Okay, all right, well I'll standing corrected if I'm if
I stand corrected, you know, I you know, I love you.
Stuck Gottleig show here on Fox.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
I'm gonna I tweet that for you. I'm gonna have
him tweeted out. What what Jade ran. I'm gonna hm
tweet that out for you.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Four threes four threes fast? Four fourth three is really fast? Okay,
what what does it feel like in a locker room
if your star quarterback is caught lipping we freaking suck.
Only he didn't say freaking I'm gonna real, real, real talk.
Like you get to the locker room like the next
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day and you guys come in to work and every
but he's seen it. What are guys like?
Speaker 9 (25:03):
One, he's right? Number two, You can say those words,
but you can't go on I R. Once you say
those words, you gotta find a way to get out
here and play with us. Sounds you can, you can.
You can't pack it in. You can't say that and
then pack it in like you got to find a
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way to play against the Eagles. You got to find
a way to play against the Commanders. If not, you
can't make that statement. You can't do that, And so
for me, you can. You can say that as long
as you're gonna be out there with us on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But they do freaking stink, And like how much of
it is personnel based? How much of it is uh,
Zimmer is a bad fit for what they had previously.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
Zimmer wants to play defensive certain way and just an
adjustment you got to they haven't had Parsons their best
defensive player for a while that day. Blam hadn't played
all season. And so when you're missing two of your
better players on defense, that's for sure it's going to
hurt you offensively. It's all CD, What did they expect?
(26:20):
This ain't the NBA. Man, You get a ball Anthony
Edwards and say go get me a bucket like they
have CD Lamb and who else. That's the problem. And
so it's personnel for sure, on the offensive side of
the ball. Defensively, he's been missing two of his better
players on defense. And you take Chris Jones and whomever
else off the Chiefs, they won't be as good. You
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take Aiden Hutchison and somebody else off the Lions, they
won't be as good. That would affect every team.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
T Jo just Minzeier's I guess you're on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio. You mentioned John Harbaugh
being one of your favorite coaches. How about Jim Harball.
I saw something, And again I could be making a
big deal out of nothing because I'm just a Charger fan, right,
But did you see at the end of the first
half when they were trying to do the lateral drill
to move it down the field, maybe score with no
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time the clock.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
And they almost scored correct.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
But then at the end, when when they kind of
ran out of options, they ate the ball. And to
me it was like, well they've now they run that
drill and executed it. But whoever had the ball last
made the right decision of you know, and it's not
worth it because what happens to Dani those things against
a little loose you turn over and the other team
could take it back for six Am I crazy? You
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think that's actually a sign of really good coaching, Doug.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
So this offseason I spent some time with the Chargers
set in those meetings. When I tell you that Jim
is going over every single detail, it's being preached that offense,
when we do this, if we have nothing, don't just
keep tossing the ball back and give up unnecessary points.
(28:00):
They're going over everything, gotten all odds and crossing all teems.
There's not a stone that will be left unturned when
it comes to the preparation. The awareness of what each
situation tels like. She is locked in with everything. And
I saw it myself in those meetings. How attention to
detail little tidbits that he would go over so that
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everybody has an understanding of what we want to do,
what we're trying to do. We're gonna go out here
and rep it, and if we don't get it, we're
gonna keep doing it till that everybody has a clear
understanding of what's expected.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Who's your the best man? Can wait to see here
here this weekend show. Thanks much for taking some time
with us, and we will talk to you very very soon.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
I appreciate you, Doug, and I wanted to congratulate you man.
First college game as a head coach. Bro keep up
the great work, my man.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Well hopefully we win one and then then it can
be real gratulations. I do appreciate you. Thanks so much.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
Who's the process, Doug? And I know you know this.
It's a process.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
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got the midway. I think you'll like it. I think
you'll like it. It really is a midway, midway of
the NFL season, midway of the week, midway of the show,
all the midway stuff coming up top the hour. The meantime,
let's turn over, Dan Byer, get to the game.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I have a question for all of you guys. Dan,
I apologize for not going right to your game, So
this is just a random question. Have any of you
guys watched an NBA game since the season started. Yes, yeah,
I watched the first two nights. I watched, and I
gotta tell you I've gotten. I've just life has obviously,
(30:07):
coaching kind of gets in the way and stuff. It
does feel like, Dan, have you watched a bunch one?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
So I watched the box opening night. They played the
Celtics on Monday night, I believe I taped that and
watched that, and then they played the Grizzlies, and so
I recorded that and watched it back. So I haven't
watched like those games live. I should have just deleted
the Grizzlies game from the beginning and not waste my time.
(30:35):
But I checked out some Clippers games, you know they've
been on. I haven't actually watched a lot of the
Lakers here locally, but you know, when the Clippers have
been on, I've watched them.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
How about you, guys, Jase do Sammy?
Speaker 7 (30:46):
Not a chance for me? Nope.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Oh, I really have no appetite for NBA right now.
I just don't. The only actual basketball I've watched since
college and pro has started was Ucile women on in
here when they were it was oh at Monday. So
that's the only basket I've watched so far.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Hey, thanks watching my game, Sam, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Yeah, good sound.
Speaker 8 (31:07):
I don't have ESPN Plus. I was following it.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
I really was.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
All you had to do is say, hey, Doug, can
I get your ESPN Plus code?
Speaker 8 (31:14):
I didn't want to put anything out more on your plate, Doug.
I was following very intently. I was following that game cast.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That's a really frustrating way to watch a game.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
It was, Yeah, I'm using the imagination.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
What's the game there? Dan Byer, Doug?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
The game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
All right, Doug? For better or worse? As a new
head coach, your game one prep versus your Game two
prep that's coming up for later this week.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Better worse in terms of what just.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Yeah, whatever, whatever, just ah.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I would say game game two now, which we play
at school called Saint Thomas. It's in the Twin Cities,
really well coached and h they're they were a D
three powerhouse. They they're transitioning into D one and they're
they're very good. They play Oklahoma State, by the way, Sunday,
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so kind of the rare kind of team triangle sort
of thing. And full disclosure, one of my assistants, Dennis Harrington,
worked there last year, so he's got a lot on
his plate. But it's really hard because we didn't have
much to go on with Oklahoma State, but we knew
(32:30):
how he played, and it's it's kind of sheer force
of will. This is in a you know, you get
like two days of practice, a completely different style, much
more of a cerebral game, and I think that's a
big challenge in the second of two. You know, second
game in a week is like, now, all of a sudden,
(32:50):
you got to go from a game where just physically
they're really really imposing to one where this is a
mentally imposing game.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Let's crash the press coming up on Friday, Phoenix, Let's
do this. It's the Gill and Company at Caldwell Banker
Real Estate Group home opener as the Phoenix entertained the
Saint Thomas.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
All Right, Doug for better or worse?
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Starting officer, starting opotion at quarterback for the Carolina Panthers. Yeah,
Bryce Young coming off of a win or veteran Andy Dalton, I.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Think you stick with Bryce Young, to be honest with you,
I just do like you invested this much in him.
He's better, he was better, He's still that great. I
think you go to Bryce Young.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
For Better or worse?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Doug unbeatens two thousand and seven Patriots or the twenty
twenty four Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I mean, for those of us who lived during that
Patriots season, they were dominant. Brady had fifty touchdown passes,
didn't he that year?
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, I mean they were unbelievable. Yeah, I'm gonna go Patriots.
All right.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
This is the one that you teased in the previous segment.
For Better or Worse? Cincinnati Bank Wide Receiver duo three options, Okay,
tj Ando Sinco, Jamar Chase and T Higgins or Carl
Pickens and Darnay Scott.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Better is Hush and Ocho mostly because Hohosh is my boy.
But they're really good. The young ones are talented, but
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go the Pickens one. As
as as the worst, no, yeah, it's the worst.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Yeah, the worst they were. I mean, of those of
those three they were.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Jamar Chase says, talent is a guy. Maybe he's ever
played the position. That's how good I think Jamar Chase is.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
That he brought and Tim McGee back in the boomera
of size and days as well. Gonna put Chris Collinsworth,
you know, figured out a way to find him. But
Bengels have been some really good duos though.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, they also line up in three point stances back then.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
All right, Doug, for better or worse, all red uniforms
in the National Football League. Houston Texans gonna wear theirs
this weekend against the Lions or the Arizona Cardinals. Now,
the one difference is the Cardinals don't have a red helmet,
while they do.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
The white helmet. Of that black helmet they've done.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
They've worn the white helmet.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So this past I really don't like the Cardinals white helmet,
so they're worse. Okay, don't like Cardinals had a black
helmet this year. I was like that, that's way better.
Maybe they need a stripe on that white helmet. I
just don't like the white with the gray face mask
and it just looks very barren.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Yeah, they've never had that.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
They've never had that, even the back in their days
in Saint Louis, thinking back to Neil Lomac's days. All right,
final one. This may get close to home because it's
a teammate of ours here at Fox Sports Radio for
better or worse, and we're talking leaps. Saquon Barkley's leap
this past weekend against the Eagle or against the Jaguars,
excuse me, or the LeVar leap that Arrington made famous
(35:54):
during his days at Penn State.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
LaVar leap, LaVar leap. I mean, can you imagine var
Arrington jumping at you to tackle you. There's lots of
fears that human beings have on Earth, bees, snakes, wasps.
For whatever reason, wasps seemed far more imposing than bees. Whatever.
Some people are, you know, they hate spiders. LeVar Arrington
(36:21):
jumping over an offensive line to tackle me is top
five nightmares I think in anybody who's ever played football
is lifetime.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
It's amazing enough that Troy Paula Malo is doing it
with the Steelers, but then you go back to someone
you know, the size of LeVar and doing it heck
early in his career as well. Crazy. I will say
this about the Saquon Leap. The more we get removed
from it, I feel like the bigger it's become. I
feel it's going to become a play that we remember
(36:50):
a decade from now and look back at. We were
at Buffalo Wild Wings when it ended up happening on
Sunday and it was kind of in the mix of
all the games. But now that we've moved on from it,
I feel it's become an even bigger deal. And I'm
not diminishing the play, but it's started to take out
a life of its own.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Sure. Sure, that's getting game time.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, this is game time on The Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
second out of the show. We'll get in away here
at the top of the hour. I think a good
amount to get to it talks to my gundhy next hour.
I'm not sure if you guys saw my Gundy's comments
earlier this week, well, he made some comments about his
comments going back to yesterday. Plus Daniel Jeremiah will join us.
(37:42):
We'll ask him like it feels like the Lions are
the best team football, yet the Chiefs keep winning. Are
we underestimating how good these Chiefs are? But coming up next,
what's the best story from the first half of the
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s get you ready for the upcoming NFL slate. Should
be a really good week. I mean we have Thursday
night games. Sometimes haven't had the best matchups. Bengals versus
the Ravens is the opposite of that. It's a great matchup.
Great matchup. Bengal, who have I don't know when you
say underachieved right, lost a couple of games on the
last by one play to start the year. Kind of
(01:08):
gotten together a little bit as of late, but this
is one It's a tall mountain to climb as the
Bengals have won three of four, have won four of six,
but those early losses, combined with the loss in overtime
to the Ravens earlier this year, are starting to kind
of pile up now after this game, they have the
(01:30):
Chargers on the road. Chargers look like a potential playoff team.
Bye week, Steelers at home, then to the Cowboys, to
the Titans, Browns, Broncos against Steelers, so there's some wins
still to be had there, but this is one after
losing to the Ravens at home, you got to try
and even it up on the road. We'll preview that
game as well. Other team in that division. We mentioned
(01:52):
the Browns, and I thought this would be interesting to you.
You know, I've said this for a long time that
if your answer after a year or two is I
don't know, then you know what the answer is. Right
If you go if you take a test drive for
a car, they're like, let you have it for a weekend.
(02:13):
If you drive it for the weekend, and they say
what do you think? You're like, I don't know. You
have your answer. If you've been dating a girl for
a year, year and a half and you say, well,
what's your guys future together, I don't know. You know
what your answer is. Your answer is do you It's
(02:34):
not that you'd It's not that you don't want to
start over. It's that you don't want to start over.
Here's Andrew Berry when he was asked Andrew Berry's the
GM of the Browns when he's asked about Sean Watson's
future with the team.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Really our focus with Deshaun, I would say for any
player with a season editing injury and a major injury,
is first and foremost with the recovery and to make
sure that he gets healthy from the Achilles injury. You
have everything else will deal with that a later moment the world.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
In which Deshaun Watson, can you come back here and
play more.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Football for you guys? Yeah, I think that's always possible.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's always possible. There's a differencene possible, likely and going
to happen, right, possible and likely and going to happen?
Is it possible? Sure? Sure? Now a lot of things
are possible. Maybe the follow up to the follow up
should be, is it likely he didn't say that the
(03:34):
Browns are left in the frankly and viable position. They
were in an invent vieable position before he got hurt.
Now it's like, and this gives us our chance to
get out of this terrible contract, really an ey sore
for the entire team. And then you think about the
fact that it would sound like he has a bad
rep for the things he's done off the football field
(03:55):
and he's just killing it. He wasn't playing well, He's
had a bunch of injuries, and now he has an
achilles injury. The likely it is his performance won't be
as good, and it wasn't good enough even before that.
So I think the Browns have said everything they want
to say without saying a word, which is kind of
(04:17):
masterful and a kind of genius even in its simplicity.
Because if they wanted Deshaun Watson back, if they expected
him to play, then that's what you lead with. We
want him back. All expectations are he's gonna play here
and we can't wait to get him back. If it's
(04:39):
likely a it's you know, barring some crazy setback. He's
our guy. Well, we'll just make sure he handles rehab
first and then we'll figure that out. Is it possible
for him to go back? Sure, it's also possible for
pigs to fly. This is the Doug Gotlib Show here
(05:02):
on Fox Sports Radio. I guess the question becomes, does
does Deshaun Watson play another snap in the NFL? I
think the likelihood is now. I just don't think the
likelihood is now. And yes, most of it is his
own doing with the off the field accusations and oh yeah,
(05:23):
by the way, also is on the field performance. But
the other part to it is not as much his
fault and that he's never been backup guy. That's not
who he is, that's not how he's wired, that's that's
not how he does what he does. Could he? Well,
I mean there's a world there with all the football
and the knowledge that he has, But some guys just
(05:44):
aren't designed to be backups. And when you have an
I sort of a contract, one that the Browns would
do anything to get out of. You're coming off an achilles,
you've had two ACL surgery, you've had one two one
or two a one ACL surgery at some point they
(06:04):
go like, ah, you know, too banged up to play.
But the reality is the contract's terrible. He's not good
and he's not designed. He's not wired to be a
backup quarterback. That takes completely different wiring and an acceptance
of your fate that you may or may not get
in games. That is not Deshaun Watson, not to Shaun Watson.
(06:27):
So my guess is he's played his last NFL game,
and he's got a lot of money, and he had
a great college career, and as time passes on, there's
a world there where he you know, I don't know
if he ever does TV, but maybe does something for
Clemson or whatever, but the money should last him. Rapid
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We always talk about you know, we always talk about
uh is in in our In my world, in college basketball,
we say is the juice worth the squeeze, But in
the NFL, i've are you worth your problems? You know,
is your talent with your problems? And the thing about
(07:33):
Deshaun Watson is whatever problems he had, they haven't chased him.
But the reputation is solidified and established and that's who
he is. That's who and what he is.
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Speaker 1 (07:59):
Stuggtleaps know Fox Sports Radio. We're live in the tyrack
dot com studios. It's really interesting. Obviously, I've lived on
one side of the media, and I've done the media
stuff when I was a college player and someone as
a professional player, but you know, I haven't played in
(08:20):
the NFL. Let's not kid ourselves. On the other hand,
we've done the interviewing. We ask people questions all the time,
and you know, it's a little bit like what Andrew
Berry said without saying it, that I want to play
you some sound. So you know, there have been a
lot of people critical of Matt Eberflus I mean, Colin Cowhert,
(08:44):
I don't did did Eberflus be in his corn flakes
at some point in time. I'm not really sure when
that moment was, but Colin has been on about hey,
they got to make coaching changes, all coaching, and there's
some validity to many of the things. He said. It
is you are the head coach, so when they call
a fourth down call that no one agrees with, even
(09:05):
though you're not the offense courting your defensive guy, you
still have to own it. But players know, players know,
if coaches know what they're doing, if coaches have the
pulse of the locker room. Here's DJ Moore when he
was asked if Matt Eberflus has lost the locker room.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I want to say no. The message yesterday was that
we know we formed four. Now it's just like being
Zarrow zero. But he just got to go out there
and starts stacking wins. How he did, and that's the
best thing we can do is win and then let
the tips fall how they fall at the after we do.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So Yeah, I mean, I I what Dj Moore is
saying is he didn't say no, but he said, hey, look,
if we win we're okay. Yeah, that's actually not the
sign of a good group. Don't get me wrong. Everything
is good, everything tastes good, smells good, feels good when
(10:04):
you win. When you win, but you have your culture
is you know, if your culture is intact, you know,
if your group is cohesion group, when they face the
adversity of multiple losses, they're still together and they still
listen to you, and they still believe.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I don't want to say no.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I don't want to say no. I don't want to
say no.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah, Dan, you know, there's something very interesting going on
with the Bears because it doesn't even seem like it's
a two sided fight because DJ Moore is kind of
in the center of all of this. But it was
his comments last week when he was critical of the
when iber Flush told him to keep his comments in house,
(10:52):
and then DJ Moore said, yeah, that's what I was told.
And then this past week against Arizona, DJ Moore basically
quit on a play where he ran out of bounds
and I don't know if he pulled up lame, tweaked
an ankle or something, but took himself completely out of
the plane. Was on the sidelines as Caleb Williams is
running around, and then later on in the game at
(11:15):
the end of the game, as the Bears were just
had the ball at the end, there's a spot where
you see Caleb Williams walking off the field and DJ
Moore walks past him and they bumped shoulders like you
would have if you had beef with someone. So I
don't know who Dj Moore is mad again or mad at,
but he sure seems to not be happy with Eberflus,
(11:37):
and he sure seems to not be happy with Caleb
Williams at this point. So it's very, very odd because
I think we thought the divide would probably be Eberflus
and the coaches on one side at Caleb Williams and
the players on another. But it's a weird dynamic in
Chicago where DJ Moore finds himself in the center of
all this.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, I am I I think it's fascinating. I think
it's really fascinating to see, like, I don't know if
DJ Moore is getting exposed. Can I let's just do this, Dan,
(12:15):
I agree with you, Okay, you're one hundred percent right,
So can I tell you? Let me just tell you
my perception. You tell me if you think it's accurate.
He probably thinks Caleb Williams is getting treated with kid
gloves getting a pass. You know, he's the number one
overall pick and they're not hard enough on him, and
he's likely making mistakes or doing something or not just
(12:37):
not getting the ball, and Ibravlus isn't holding him accountable,
and so that's why he's mad at both of them. Yeah,
that's what it feels like. Yeah, yeah, and again we
don't have any idea, Dan, do you have any idea?
I don't. I mean we can only read but hear
what he says and then read by language. But I'm
with you. I saw them bump shoulders. I was like,
(12:58):
that's weird. Yeah, that's weird, very odd.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
It's also a very like, I don't know, a toxic
male thing to do where it's like you're you're both
trying to prove a point, so neither one budgets and
you get that scenario there. DJ Moore has a platform
every single week, you know, speaking today, speaking with you know,
media outlets, and and the whole thing last week of
(13:23):
just saying like I should have kept my complaints in house. Well,
then you're talking about stuff that maybe should have been
kept in house. So it's it's very, very odd.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
The funny thing is, Doug is if you're trying to
get Matt Eberflus fired, DJ Moore is not doing a
great case to keep himself around in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
So that's what's odd.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
To me because why would you why would you keep
a guy around who who was disloyal to his previous coach.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Yeah, then it doesn't get along with the quarterback apparently right.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
And by the way, Caleb will is not going anywhere,
you know, like, you don't get rid of a guy
a number one overall pick in a year unless he's
an abject disaster. He's not an abject disaster. So again
it makes you think that what must be happening is
they must something about Caleb Williams and the accountability or
(14:20):
mistakes or how he's carrying himself or whatever. But it's
pretty obvious that when somebody asked if you'd lost the
locker room, the answer is no interest Now, no.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
I got something. Yes, you remember when after the season
ended last year, Remember DJ Morrow was one of the
players that publicly said that he wanted justin fields back
and there was a little bit of awkwardness there when
they decided to drought the quarterback and they went back
to DJ Moore and he played he said the company line,
but there was that awkwardness there and that he was
(14:57):
a fields guy. Then they bring in Caleb Williams, and
I'll add this as well. Do you remember that anonymous
executive who said about Williams that you're putting a lot
of faith and you're putting a lot of capital into
a guy that might be Prince. Do you remember that?
And I think everyone took the analogy of Prince as
that he's kind of eccentric or even girly or whatever,
(15:20):
what the fingernail polish and everything, But I think what
he meant was Prince is aloof Prince is difficult. Prince
doesn't get along with people in his team. So maybe
there's something with all of this.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Maybe I think it said he's eccentric. Eccentric by the way,
eccentric is as misspelled and pronounced as espresso is just right.
Like if you ask somebody who doesn't know how do
you spell espresso? What do you think? They say? They
(15:58):
all say, ex don't you think Jay?
Speaker 7 (16:02):
I think so espresso.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Am I saying it wrong?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It's espresso?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
So eccentric is actually eccentric?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's e c C is how it's spelled.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Yeah, I thought it was eccentric, isn't it. You're saying
centric like grocers your grocer's freezer.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
How is it actually pronounce because somebody get you there, eccentric.
Do the thing in your phone where it can where
it can say it right, like espresso. There is no X.
It's yes, espresso eccentric. Okay. Do you think it's eccentric?
Speaker 6 (16:39):
That's how I have pronounced it.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
It's just very.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Fat for centric. Okay. Uh. My point is, I do
think there's some people that think it's xcent eccentric X
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to get to? Let me ask you about DJ Moore.
I doesn't feel like he's been all in on Eberflus
(17:27):
or on Caleb Williams. What's your read? You are a
talented wide receiver. You worked with some dudes who are
a little bit divas. He hasn't gone full you know,
he has a napalm the thing, fully, but there's definitely
a lack of complete buy in what would be he'd
be so upset about.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
I mean, you know, as receivers, we get very few
opportunities to impact the game. I'm assuming it's coming from
his lack of involvement in the offense one and they losing.
You winning games, you may not like your involvement, but
you're okay because you're winning games. But when we're losing
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and I'm not being involved in the offensive game plan,
and that's gonna be a problem. I've never thought that
Shane Waldron was a good play caller as far as
the way he sequenced his cause when he's expecting certain coverages.
But I guess when you come under Sean mcvage, you
get plenty of opportunities.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Let's talk about your Bengals. I think you know, you
look up on the board and they've sort of righted
the ship, winning three of their last four, but a
big win against the Ravens team they could have beaten
lost to in overtime at home. What is the current
state of the Bengals from your perspective.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
I mean they should go in there feeling good offensively,
but I mean they lost the defense. They lost a
game because the defense couldn't get a stop. You know,
jaw believe he had five touchdowns, almost four hundred yards
of total offense, and the defense just couldn't get that stop.
Up ten with less than four minutes. That game should
be one. And so you go into a confident offensively.
(19:04):
Now I don't know if t Higgins is gonna play,
that will be a blow. And if he doesn't play,
then Jermaine, who did some things he shouldn't have done
last week, is gonna have to step up. Yosi, boss
gonna have to step up. I believe Orlando Brown will
be back, but the onus will be on in my opinion,
will they be able to run the ball against the Ravens.
(19:25):
We know the Ravens have I believe, the worst passing
defense in the National Football League. But it's gonna come
down to can Jermaine Burden and Yosi Boss make an
impact in the passing game outside of Jamar Chase if
he doesn't play.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, t T's listeners doubtful for tomorrow. By the way,
how surprised are you they hung on to t Higginson
trade him at the trade deadline?
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Oh, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised that they actually traded
for her. But you know that's just something that Bengals
don't do. If t Lee see, they're gonna get a
third round compensatory pick anyway, So what somebody gonna give
him a first or second round pick? Probably not. And
so if you're not gonna get that White trade and
when you know you're gonna get a third round pick
for him anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
the Ravens? They play so well at times and then
some real stinkers. What's your take on where the Ravens
are not necessarily just in terms of the season, but
they're gonna be judged based upon the postseason. I know,
what are your thoughts on what the ceiling is for
this group.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
It's hard to get a post on what they are.
You know, did they lose opening Day against the Chiefs
and that made the game very interesting, Literally lost the
game where we can say by half an inch, and
then the other two losses to the Browns, who aren't
very good and the Raiders who aren't very good. So
it's almost as if like what type of team are they?
(20:45):
But I know, offensively, this is the best we've ever
seen the Ravens under Lamar Jackson. They can run the
ball that will, They're passing the ball at will. This
is the best offensive team we've seen the Ravens have
with Lamar Jackson as far as being multi dimensional, can
beat you on the ground or in the air. The
surprise is, when's the last time we've seen the Ravens
(21:08):
defense this bad. That's a shocker to me, and so
they should be optimistic. But they got to figure out
a way. Why are we losing the teams that we
should be beaten handily?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's a great question. I mean, the only thing I
can think of is, well, when you spend that much
money at quarterback and on pieces of the offense, there's
got to be a shortfall. Maybe that's where the shortfall is.
I guess that's the I don't know.
Speaker 9 (21:32):
Doug, that's the myth man, because when people bring that up,
you know, as far as how much the quarterback's making.
All all I do is refer back to one team.
Their quarterbacks making a ton of money, and so is
everybody else on that team. Almost you look at the Eagles,
both their receivers are highly paid, their running back is
highly paid, Both tackles are highly paid. Darius Slayer is
(21:53):
highly paid. Like, to me, that's an excuse when they say,
oh the salary recap, our quarterback is making it. Look
at the go are they doing it?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Great question?
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Eagles are doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's it's a it's a it's a great question.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
Right, So if you want to get it done, you
can get it done. You've got to find a way.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, And I and I think the Ravens are better
at quarterback than the Eagles are at quarterback. It's an ambulous,
established question.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
They're They're lucky, though, Doug, because Zay Flowers their best receiver,
Ricky contract. They just traded for Deontay Johnson, who will
be a free agent at the end of the season.
Obviously they pay Derek Henry, but under market value considering
what he's doing. It's just the Ravens have been so
good defensively that they constantly are losing defensive coordinators because
(22:41):
they're getting opportunities to advance themselves in their career. Figure
it out. I'm a fan of both teams. I love
I love Harball, He's one of my favorite coaches. But
I always go with my heart wants to Bingles and
I feel we have a genuine chance.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Did you know Jane Daniels was a.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Good I did Doug. He trained with us. I've seen
it every day. My only concern going into this had
nothing to do with that Jadon Daniels. It had to
do with dan Quinn being a defensive coach. Would he
really let Kingsbury just kind of take the reins and
then that's just be the head coach of the offense.
(23:21):
And I should have known he would have done that
because he did it with Kyle Shanahan in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Oh, he did it with Kyle Shanahan. He's doing it
with Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah. I'm watching Jayden throughout this process.
I felt like he would be really good, extremely accurate,
really good. Arm didn't run the forty, but would probably
run a four to three. The players are gonna.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Grow who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's a four to three.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Doug s stop stop.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I love you. Four to three is wide, elite wide
receiver speed.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
When if you ever get a chance to interview him
or anybody on that team or anybody at LSU.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Four three, come on, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna lie
if you go four four four, you go four five.
I'm good four five. If you can run a four
to three, you run for the clock.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Telling you I've seen it, you know, actually summing what
he ran when he was uh when a timed? Okay,
I will I don't think, not what I think, not
what I see.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Okay, all right, well I'll standing corrected if I'm if
I stand corrected, you know, I you know, I love you.
Stuck Gottleig show here on Fox.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
I'm gonna I tweet that for you. I'm gonna have
him tweeted out. What what Jade ran. I'm gonna hm
tweet that out for you.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Four threes four threes fast? Four fourth three is really fast? Okay,
what what does it feel like in a locker room
if your star quarterback is caught lipping we freaking suck.
Only he didn't say freaking I'm gonna real, real, real talk.
Like you get to the locker room like the next
(24:57):
day and you guys come in to work and every
but he's seen it. What are guys like?
Speaker 9 (25:03):
One, he's right? Number two, You can say those words,
but you can't go on I R. Once you say
those words, you gotta find a way to get out
here and play with us. Sounds you can, you can.
You can't pack it in. You can't say that and
then pack it in like you got to find a
(25:25):
way to play against the Eagles. You got to find
a way to play against the Commanders. If not, you
can't make that statement. You can't do that, And so
for me, you can. You can say that as long
as you're gonna be out there with us on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But they do freaking stink, And like how much of
it is personnel based? How much of it is uh,
Zimmer is a bad fit for what they had previously.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
Zimmer wants to play defensive certain way and just an
adjustment you got to they haven't had Parsons their best
defensive player for a while that day. Blam hadn't played
all season. And so when you're missing two of your
better players on defense, that's for sure it's going to
hurt you offensively. It's all CD, What did they expect?
(26:20):
This ain't the NBA. Man, You get a ball Anthony
Edwards and say go get me a bucket like they
have CD Lamb and who else. That's the problem. And
so it's personnel for sure, on the offensive side of
the ball. Defensively, he's been missing two of his better
players on defense. And you take Chris Jones and whomever
else off the Chiefs, they won't be as good. You
(26:42):
take Aiden Hutchison and somebody else off the Lions, they
won't be as good. That would affect every team.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
T Jo just Minzeier's I guess you're on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio. You mentioned John Harbaugh
being one of your favorite coaches. How about Jim Harball.
I saw something, And again I could be making a
big deal out of nothing because I'm just a Charger fan, right,
But did you see at the end of the first
half when they were trying to do the lateral drill
to move it down the field, maybe score with no
(27:09):
time the clock.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
And they almost scored correct.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
But then at the end, when when they kind of
ran out of options, they ate the ball. And to
me it was like, well they've now they run that
drill and executed it. But whoever had the ball last
made the right decision of you know, and it's not
worth it because what happens to Dani those things against
a little loose you turn over and the other team
could take it back for six Am I crazy? You
(27:34):
think that's actually a sign of really good coaching, Doug.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
So this offseason I spent some time with the Chargers
set in those meetings. When I tell you that Jim
is going over every single detail, it's being preached that offense,
when we do this, if we have nothing, don't just
keep tossing the ball back and give up unnecessary points.
(28:00):
They're going over everything, gotten all odds and crossing all teems.
There's not a stone that will be left unturned when
it comes to the preparation. The awareness of what each
situation tels like. She is locked in with everything. And
I saw it myself in those meetings. How attention to
detail little tidbits that he would go over so that
(28:21):
everybody has an understanding of what we want to do,
what we're trying to do. We're gonna go out here
and rep it, and if we don't get it, we're
gonna keep doing it till that everybody has a clear
understanding of what's expected.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Who's your the best man? Can wait to see here
here this weekend show. Thanks much for taking some time
with us, and we will talk to you very very soon.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
I appreciate you, Doug, and I wanted to congratulate you man.
First college game as a head coach. Bro keep up
the great work, my man.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Well hopefully we win one and then then it can
be real gratulations. I do appreciate you. Thanks so much.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
Who's the process, Doug? And I know you know this.
It's a process.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
How about you That Gottleib Show coming to you live
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. One coach
backtracked his comments, being critical of his own fans. Get
to that next hour. Daniel Jeremiah joins us plus we
(29:24):
got the midway. I think you'll like it. I think
you'll like it. It really is a midway, midway of
the NFL season, midway of the week, midway of the show,
all the midway stuff coming up top the hour. The meantime,
let's turn over, Dan Byer, get to the game.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I have a question for all of you guys. Dan,
I apologize for not going right to your game, So
this is just a random question. Have any of you
guys watched an NBA game since the season started. Yes, yeah,
I watched the first two nights. I watched, and I
gotta tell you I've gotten. I've just life has obviously,
(30:07):
coaching kind of gets in the way and stuff. It
does feel like, Dan, have you watched a bunch one?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
So I watched the box opening night. They played the
Celtics on Monday night, I believe I taped that and
watched that, and then they played the Grizzlies, and so
I recorded that and watched it back. So I haven't
watched like those games live. I should have just deleted
the Grizzlies game from the beginning and not waste my time.
(30:35):
But I checked out some Clippers games, you know they've
been on. I haven't actually watched a lot of the
Lakers here locally, but you know, when the Clippers have
been on, I've watched them.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
How about you, guys, Jase do Sammy?
Speaker 7 (30:46):
Not a chance for me? Nope.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Oh, I really have no appetite for NBA right now.
I just don't. The only actual basketball I've watched since
college and pro has started was Ucile women on in
here when they were it was oh at Monday. So
that's the only basket I've watched so far.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Hey, thanks watching my game, Sam, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Yeah, good sound.
Speaker 8 (31:07):
I don't have ESPN Plus. I was following it.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
I really was.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
All you had to do is say, hey, Doug, can
I get your ESPN Plus code?
Speaker 8 (31:14):
I didn't want to put anything out more on your plate, Doug.
I was following very intently. I was following that game cast.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That's a really frustrating way to watch a game.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
It was, Yeah, I'm using the imagination.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
What's the game there? Dan Byer, Doug?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
The game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
All right, Doug? For better or worse? As a new
head coach, your game one prep versus your Game two
prep that's coming up for later this week.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Better worse in terms of what just.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Yeah, whatever, whatever, just ah.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I would say game game two now, which we play
at school called Saint Thomas. It's in the Twin Cities,
really well coached and h they're they were a D
three powerhouse. They they're transitioning into D one and they're
they're very good. They play Oklahoma State, by the way, Sunday,
(32:08):
so kind of the rare kind of team triangle sort
of thing. And full disclosure, one of my assistants, Dennis Harrington,
worked there last year, so he's got a lot on
his plate. But it's really hard because we didn't have
much to go on with Oklahoma State, but we knew
(32:30):
how he played, and it's it's kind of sheer force
of will. This is in a you know, you get
like two days of practice, a completely different style, much
more of a cerebral game, and I think that's a
big challenge in the second of two. You know, second
game in a week is like, now, all of a sudden,
(32:50):
you got to go from a game where just physically
they're really really imposing to one where this is a
mentally imposing game.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Let's crash the press coming up on Friday, Phoenix, Let's
do this. It's the Gill and Company at Caldwell Banker
Real Estate Group home opener as the Phoenix entertained the
Saint Thomas.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
All Right, Doug for better or worse?
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Starting officer, starting opotion at quarterback for the Carolina Panthers. Yeah,
Bryce Young coming off of a win or veteran Andy Dalton, I.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Think you stick with Bryce Young, to be honest with you,
I just do like you invested this much in him.
He's better, he was better, He's still that great. I
think you go to Bryce Young.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
For Better or worse?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Doug unbeatens two thousand and seven Patriots or the twenty
twenty four Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I mean, for those of us who lived during that
Patriots season, they were dominant. Brady had fifty touchdown passes,
didn't he that year?
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, I mean they were unbelievable. Yeah, I'm gonna go Patriots.
All right.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
This is the one that you teased in the previous segment.
For Better or Worse? Cincinnati Bank Wide Receiver duo three options, Okay,
tj Ando Sinco, Jamar Chase and T Higgins or Carl
Pickens and Darnay Scott.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Better is Hush and Ocho mostly because Hohosh is my boy.
But they're really good. The young ones are talented, but
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go the Pickens one. As
as as the worst, no, yeah, it's the worst.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Yeah, the worst they were. I mean, of those of
those three they were.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Jamar Chase says, talent is a guy. Maybe he's ever
played the position. That's how good I think Jamar Chase is.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
That he brought and Tim McGee back in the boomera
of size and days as well. Gonna put Chris Collinsworth,
you know, figured out a way to find him. But
Bengels have been some really good duos though.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, they also line up in three point stances back then.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
All right, Doug, for better or worse, all red uniforms
in the National Football League. Houston Texans gonna wear theirs
this weekend against the Lions or the Arizona Cardinals. Now,
the one difference is the Cardinals don't have a red helmet,
while they do.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
The white helmet. Of that black helmet they've done.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
They've worn the white helmet.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So this past I really don't like the Cardinals white helmet,
so they're worse. Okay, don't like Cardinals had a black
helmet this year. I was like that, that's way better.
Maybe they need a stripe on that white helmet. I
just don't like the white with the gray face mask
and it just looks very barren.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Yeah, they've never had that.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
They've never had that, even the back in their days
in Saint Louis, thinking back to Neil Lomac's days. All right,
final one. This may get close to home because it's
a teammate of ours here at Fox Sports Radio for
better or worse, and we're talking leaps. Saquon Barkley's leap
this past weekend against the Eagle or against the Jaguars,
excuse me, or the LeVar leap that Arrington made famous
(35:54):
during his days at Penn State.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
LaVar leap, LaVar leap. I mean, can you imagine var
Arrington jumping at you to tackle you. There's lots of
fears that human beings have on Earth, bees, snakes, wasps.
For whatever reason, wasps seemed far more imposing than bees. Whatever.
Some people are, you know, they hate spiders. LeVar Arrington
(36:21):
jumping over an offensive line to tackle me is top
five nightmares I think in anybody who's ever played football
is lifetime.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
It's amazing enough that Troy Paula Malo is doing it
with the Steelers, but then you go back to someone
you know, the size of LeVar and doing it heck
early in his career as well. Crazy. I will say
this about the Saquon Leap. The more we get removed
from it, I feel like the bigger it's become. I
feel it's going to become a play that we remember
(36:50):
a decade from now and look back at. We were
at Buffalo Wild Wings when it ended up happening on
Sunday and it was kind of in the mix of
all the games. But now that we've moved on from it,
I feel it's become an even bigger deal. And I'm
not diminishing the play, but it's started to take out
a life of its own.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Sure. Sure, that's getting game time.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, this is game time on The Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
second out of the show. We'll get in away here
at the top of the hour. I think a good
amount to get to it talks to my gundhy next hour.
I'm not sure if you guys saw my Gundy's comments
earlier this week, well, he made some comments about his
comments going back to yesterday. Plus Daniel Jeremiah will join us.
(37:42):
We'll ask him like it feels like the Lions are
the best team football, yet the Chiefs keep winning. Are
we underestimating how good these Chiefs are? But coming up next,
what's the best story from the first half of the
NFL season? Midway point of the season, midway point, The
show that's next The Midway Fox Sports Radio
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