October 7, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug reacts to the news that the Browns traded Joe Flacco to the Bengals. Doug gives his thoughts on the Chiefs before welcoming NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to cover all of the major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Fox Sports Radio. Mmm, welcome in. What a day in
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sport a night in sports? Huh? Was that good? Or
was that good? Man? That's amazing? Yeah? Uh, you got
Jason Stewart proved wrong but right, and you try and
run a play but it involves a bunt and anti
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bunt guy had a had a great night. Not last
night with with the Dodgers hanging on to beat the
Phillies plas the Brewers took a commanding two games done
lead on the Cubs. We got to get to that.
We had Thursday Night Football where the Jaguars, Yes, I said,
the Jaguars moved to four and one. Was that Monday
Night Football? Sorry, I said Thursday Football, My mistake, Just
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all the days crammed together. Monday Night Football where the
Jaguars take down the Chiefs. More issues with the Chiefs.
But I think we got to start with the story
of the day, which is breaking news. You've heard it
from Dan Byer, You've heard it here on Fox Sports Radio.
Joe Flatco is now a Bengal and in division trade.
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In division trade from a guy who was the starter
for the Browns. Then the Browns pulled him. They started
Dylan Gabriel and now it's Dylan Gabriel and the backup
is Shoudure Sanders. Wow. Wow. The trade has not been
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confirmed yet, but Adam Shefter did report it. Oh, I'm
sorry it should or being two is not confirmed yet.
I'm sure they'll bring in an old head, you know,
to be part of that that room. But man, is
that crazy?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It's not crazy? It's the Browns. I actually think that
should be their slogo slogan. What do you guys think
about that? Right? Like the Raiders is just win baby huh.
For a long time, the Patriots and then the Saints
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were do your job. What if the Browns said, it's
that crazy? It's the Browns? Like, yeah, that that tracks,
that really tracks. So Joe Flacco to the Bengals because
the Bengals are they have to win. You'll only go
get Jay Flacco if you feel like anything's better than
what we're throwing out there. Cameron Wolf of the NFL
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media is reporting that should is going to be number two.
My guess is they go and get out in the
street and they find a guy either practice squad or
at number three. But that is like, there's never a
dull moment with the Browns, a team that there's no
reason we should pay attention to, except for they had
four quarterbacks. Now they have two, and the two that
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had experienced as starters, one who won a Super Bowl,
is now playing for their arch rival, and they're left
with Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders, who I can't tell
you what he's done at practice, but you know, up
until recently he wasn't even their scout team quarterback. Then,
of course last week he was doing the miming, you know,
speaking silently when asked questions after Dylan Gabriel's name starter.
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Now he's the backup. That's that's Lane Kiffen, early in
his career, failing up from Shador Sanders. That's remarkable. That's crazy. Well,
it's not crazy, Sam, It's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's the Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The Browns, it's the Browns.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I don't remember an indivision trade of a starting quarterback
since Donovan McNabb. McNabb remember was traded from the Eagles
where he had taken them to the super Bowl to
the then Washington Redskins. And like, wow, that's an interesting trade.
You trade indivision, Like, oh, he's washed up. Everybody knows
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what Flacco is. I don't think he's washed out, but
he's obviously not the player he used to be. But
the Bengals are in such desperate need of somebody who
can get rid of the football, and they do have
some talent there. Think out if your Joe Flacco. You
went from having to worry about a rookie third string
quarterback who's a fifth round draft pick and what he
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was going to say to the media to where now
you have Jamar Chase to throw the football too, failing
up as well. That's not that's not bad. It's not bad.
Does make sense, but also really interesting. Kirk Cousins hasn't
been moved now. Part of it is kirk Cousins makes
a lot more money than Flaco is Placo does, but
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Kirk Cousins just sitting there as a backup, not doing anything,
whereas Joe Flacco is on the move yet again. And
this going to the Cincinnati Bengals. All right, we'll circle
back to that one in a moment. But oh, you
had something. I'm sorry there, buyer, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, this is This is the interesting thing that I
think about this is you have the Cincinnati Bengals who
just don't want Jake Browning to throw interceptions. Like the
numbers are there. Jamar Chase actually had a good game,
maybe a fantasy football perspective, but Chase was at least
a factor against the Lions in a game where Cincinnati
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was playing catchup ball game. The problem is, Jake Browning
just keeps on turning over the football. Did it against
the Vikings, did it against the Lions this past weekend.
So you bring in Joe Flacco, who, by the way,
at times is known to turn over the football, and
now you have a forty year old quarterback who moves
even less than Jake Browning and Joe Burrow behind them.
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And it's one of those deals where you say you
do an in division trade. Why in the world would
the Browns want to do this for us, Like, why
would they want to do this sort of deal, because
it doesn't make a lot of sense. I do think
Cincinnati had to make a move. I didn't think the
Kirk Cousin scenario was realistic because of the amount of
money that Cousins has on his contract, something that you
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pointed out. But I just don't know if Joe Flacco
is the solution to the problem for Cincinnati at this time.
You just need somebody to maybe have a little bit
more mobility as well. And I just I find it
so intriguing because they're sitting there at two and three
and the division is still up for grabs. We don't
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believe in Pittsburgh as much as we do, and they
felt that this was the route to go, and if
the Browns were willing to do it, you'd have to
wonder why were the Browns willing to do it? And
I also don't think that Shadoor Sanders is the guarantee
to be the backup quarterback, and it has nothing to
do with Sanders. It would just be surprising to me
that the Browns would have two rookie quarterbacks be there
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one and two at this point. Bailey Zappi is actually
on the team's practice squad. To me, that makes a
lot more sense if if she.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If he's the number if he's the number two. Yes, yeah,
but here's the thing. To have two rookie quarterbacks is crazy.
But as I started by sing, it's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's the bron it's the Browns. But what the Browns
are also saying at this point is a week ago,
Shadoor wasn't good enough to be the backup quarterback to
Dylan Gabriel, right because they said that Joe Flacca was
going to be the backup. So after one game, so
in seven days in London, mind you, they've now made
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the decision that shador is ready for that backup role.
I don't necessarily think that that's the case. I think
we'll find out officially tomorrow on what they're going to do.
But some of the talk about Shadors you pointed out,
wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them. So now
they're gonna, you know, have him be a snap away
from starting.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I just.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know. I don't think that he's the guaranteed
backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Again, I don't think so either, but it's the Browns,
and yes, trading in division generally means you think a
guy's washed up. And Flacco is a guy that he
didn't hold it as much as Roethlisberger in his prime,
but has held the ball previously, and you feel like
the Bengals you got to get rid of it quick.
But I'm guessing that their thought is, Hey, we just
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need somebody who's done it, who's been there, done that
can be a veteran, you know, can take a leadership role.
We have enough talent to be decent. We just we
just had, you know, without burd We're just not that team.
Like what are what? I guess your options are your
Kirk cousins and then who else? Who else is a
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viable veteran backup who you feel like can plug and
play and you stick them in there and can play
within that offense.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean, let's let's just say, like you called Arizona
and said Jacoby Brissett, But what do you want for
Jacoby Brissette.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Hasn't he been in Cleveland or since he's been in
one of them? So you know, is Jacoby Brissett better
than Joe Flacco right now? I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't know, but I do know that Joe Flacco
threw six interceptions in four games so far this season
for the Browns. Yep, And that's what you don't want
to do if you're Cincinnati and behind that offensive line
you get someone who's less mobile. I yeah, it shocked
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me when I saw that for so many reasons. And
I also good on the Bengals for trying to make
a move. I just don't know if this was the
move that they needed to make.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So let's
turn to baseball here real quick, because it deserves it.
It was such a good night. The Dodgers up for nothing,
give up a couple runs in the eighth right, and
then in the ninth it got Harry as well. It
gets to four to three, and Dave Roberts did something
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that So Jayce, dude, take me through the Sasaki, Rookie
Sazaki and the decision that Dave Roberts made and why
it was such a big decision from a guy who's
followed every game of the Dodgers this year.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Rookie Sasaki is not a closer. There's a different process
for getting ready as a reliever than there is a starter.
Roki Sasaki takes I guess abnormally long periods of time
to get ready as a starter. Dave Roberts obviously didn't
want to use him last night. They had a four
to nothing lead, so he was thinking, I'm pretty good,
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But then our bullpen blew up, like they do almost
every single night leading last night, the blow up was
Blake Trinan, who I don't even think should be on
the postseason roster. He was so bad this year. Three hits,
two runs, no outs for Blake Tryning, Thanks for coming,
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and then Dave is forced to warm up Sasaki and
bring him in for the final out of the game.
He was obviously not excited to do so. Tommy Edmon
fills a ground ball with a tie and run at
third base and he throws it into the dirt, saved
by Freddie Freeman. Dodgers move on but barely, and we
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go to LA two.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Zero crazy crazy night. Are are you guys a never
bunt guy?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Like?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Remember if we go back before they change the rules
in baseball, it was like bunting had completely gone away,
and then all of a sudden, now you know you're
seeing people lay down bunds even more. And in that particular, what,
by the way, what an incredible defensive play? Incredible defensive play,
But never bunt guy is still mumbling today, what are
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Speaker 2 (12:38):
Tasaki hunkers down on the mound, kicks in fires turner,
swings crown.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Ball, a second scooped up by him, and he throws
first dug out by Freddy Freeman. He picks it and
saves the game. That's so win for RelA.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Hmmm, yeah, I mean what a great pick by Freddy Freeman.
Now you said he's Steve sacksed it. I think that's
a dated reference. When you saw the throw to second
base buyer from second base to win the game, who
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is the player that you thought of in terms of.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I think everybody thinks nah Block Chuck.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Nab Block would be a more recent than Steve Sacks.
And then there's also John.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, then we don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
John Lester, Yes, well, John Lester was with the Cubs
when he couldn't throw the first base. So there's actually
times where he would throw. He would do underhand, but
then he would throw one couple times he threw with
the glove. He threw the glove with the ball still
in it. Right. Steve Sacks had that problem as well.
Is anybody recently had that problem where they couldn't do
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the first base, couldn't throw the first base before last night.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That top of my head?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Can you imagine if the Dodgers lost on that throw,
what Jason would be like today? And they nearly did.
Freddy save the day.
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Speaker 1 (15:04):
My doings, your big brother? Is that what you are? Okay?
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I think Dan, you picked the chiefs right, and then
did the three of us Sam, you, Me and No.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
No, no, and you were wrong. Oh I was also
close to being right.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You were close to being right. You know what's interesting
about less? There's lots of things interesting about last night's
football game. The first is something from my childhood that
used to be like an iconic football play. People have
figured out how to defend it. And now it's like
you would never tell anybody to do it. And it's
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jumping over the pile. Now I grant you, he's extending
the ball and it slipped out his hands. I got
poked out, slipped out of his hands. I'm talking about
Trevor Lawrence. Was that the first quarter? I think was
the first quarter. But if you think of our childhood
and Dan, I think you can, you can attest to this,
Jase dou you can. It's a little Sam's a little
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younger than us. Walter Payton was probably most famous. Do
you think guys for being the guy who would jump
over the pile and get in the end zone? Was
he the one the most synonymous with it?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I think yeah, the leaping portion of it. Marcus Allen
was really good at the goal line as well in
that sort of role. But I think that the leap
sweetness is the lasting.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Image, right, And now you would never tell a player
to leap, like, yeah, when you leap, you exposed the football.
Exposed the football, they'll poke it out or they'll punch
it out. A rule which Jase dou thinks is going
to be changed in the offseason. You may maybe right,
But you know what is like a short fire touchdown
and then we have all this technology and I actually
think I think I think they got the call right.
(17:02):
I think they got the call right. But I mean,
there's a line, there's a football. Isn't there a little
microchip inside the football? Wasn't that what we were told
last year that they're gonna add the microchip to the football.
So shouldn't we know if it crossed the goal line?
Or they only have the microchip in the football and
not in the goal line.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
They can only do it via the measurements on a
first down, so you can't do it to see if
it's crossed the goal line or not. So like when
they spot the ball instead of bringing out the chain game,
that's how they that's how they figure it out. That's
what it's used for.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's interesting. Baseball has got abs. They won't use it
this year in the playoffs. Football has got microchips in
the football. Is yet they're only going to use it
to spot the ball, not to tell us if it
went into the inzimee, But I guess you know, we're
five games in the season. Are you in on the Jaguars?
And how out are you on the Chiefs? And the
thing about the Chiefs is that, yeah, they're helped out
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by the fact that the Chargers, you know, have have
suddenly looked very human, very beatable, and look a lot
of it is injuries, but they've lost the games. There's
no one cares. At the end of the year, Broncos
coming on strong. Raiders don't look like challengers at all.
But my big question all off season was with the
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is the league finally caught up to the Chiefs and
his age finally caught up to the Chiefs. Here's Pat
Mahomes talking about the Chiefs continue to beat themselves.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean it kind of just talks about our whole
entire season. I mean, we I feel like we have
we have the guys, and we've executed at certain points
of game and looked really good and then we we
kind of crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes and interceptions
and fumbles or whatever that is. I mean, it's just
we've kind of we've kind of done that to ourselves
all year long. It's kind of been one guy here there,
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and in this league it's so close that those those
change games, and so we got to be better. You know,
we we we've lost too many games already.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's interesting because this is a team that fans of
the league thought, you know, there's all those memes with
Pat Mahomes and officials somehow either giving bro hugs or
regular hugs. The penalties just killed the Chiefs. Here's Andy Reid,
their head coach.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Thirteen penalties to Therefore, whether I agree with them or
don't agree with them, it doesn't matter. They called them.
And so you have that many penalties, you give a
field position. You can outstat them to death, but it
doesn't matter. It's a score that matters, and we've got
to take care of business.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
There's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. John
Middlecoff's our guests. He's the host of the three Now podcasts.
He joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. John was last night more about the
Chiefs or the Jaguars.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
I think it was more about the Jags. I mean,
I think they're pretty good. You know, I didn't know
if it was sustainable the way they beat the Niners.
You know, their defense was like on this just tear
with turnovers. But turns out their defenses as good. I mean,
and they were missing you could argue their best defensive player,
definitely their best defensive lineman. So they're a good defensive teams.
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Not totally sold on Trevor Lawrence, but I mean that
throw he made on third and long or third whatever,
what third and eighth, third seven to Brian Thomas for
forty three yards, made another big drow a couple of
plays later. And the effort he had on the run,
I mean not giving up because if he gets stacked
or just tackled, you know, the two or three yard line,
they don't have timeouts. And he just kind of willed
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himself into the end zone, which will kind of a
knock on him. He was like, how much does he
love football?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Last night?
Speaker 7 (20:35):
He was pretty awesome with his legs. I think Achieves,
big picture are gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
They're not gonna win fifteen games this year, but I
think when the dust Pedals look at the AFC, I mean,
it's a mass unit. From an injury standpoint, Some of
the top teams hell even in their division. The Chargers
are in shambells, the Ravens are in shambles. So my
guess would be they're probably more like a ten win team,
but I think they'll be, you know, a wild card
squad that you know, if you're the two seed, they're
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the seventh seeds. Not exactly. Good luck playing Andy Reid
and Patrick Mahomes in round one.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I agree with you. You mentioned injuries. Is that's what
that's what's wrong with the Chargers, same thing with the
Ravens or something else.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
Yeah, I mean I think it's it's even worse. I mean,
you would say the Niners it felt like they had
it the worst, but I think the Ravens now when
you factor in Lamar's out and his impact to that team,
they got no shots. You know who's got it better
than us? Well, not the Hardball Brothers because they have
a high fright team. You know, Lamar makes a lot
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of money, and a Bouquet makes a lot of money.
Roke lamp Smith makes a lot of money, Cale Hamilton,
Marlon Humphrey. You remove all these players, you got no shot.
And I mean part of when you start paying people
in any you know, especially basketball or football, the backups
you're pretty dependent on young players, random practice squad type guys,
and man, they have been housed the last I mean
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really started with that Lions game, but the last two
weeks embarrassed. I don't see how it gets any better.
Assuming the Rams are, you know, healthy going into that game,
it could kind of look the same.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, John Middlecoff
is our guest. Joe Flacco traded from the Browns to
the Bengals. So much to unpack. But I do think,
you know, Buyer brought up a great point, like, I
get that you needed anybody other than Browning, But what
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does it say that the Browns are willing to trade
him in division to a team they haven't played yet,
They're gonna play twice. Joe Flacco washed and the Bengals
are bringing in a washed up quarterback.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Well, here's the other thing. He can't move, so you
have an offensive line which is horrendous. Browning is a
decent athlete. He's getting destroyed. Well, Flacco, you would say,
of all the guys that played in the NFL at quarterbacks,
even the first couple, you know, backups included probably the
worst foot athlete in the league. Maybe Jacobe were set,
you know, Kirk Cousins, like it's he's a sitting duck.
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So unless you're just like one hitch fire go routes
to your two receivers, he's not going to be able
to function any better or something like you said. He's
not like he's playing well in the first place, but
he can't move. So I don't know why I through them,
especially with the season. I mean, let's face it's kind
of over why you wouldn't take a chance on someone's
like more athletic young quarterback, maybe especially like on a
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practice squad pick up. Now you know they would say, well,
you know, some of these teams that have backups that
are athletic won't trade us guys, which is probably some
truth to that. But I think Flacco solves zero issues now.
I think the question mark is the mind the backup
quarterback in in Cleveland or is it Zappi or someone else?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
What do you think happens?
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Well, I don't know. I mean I think I would
say probably not Still, I mean I would expect. I mean,
they had it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I don't think you can't elevate him after what he
did last week, even if you think, you know, he
thought it was funny pickets.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
I mean, we haven't heard from that guy. They traded
Kenny Pickett, Right, Is Kenny Pickets gone?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah? Canty Pickett to the Raiders? Right? Was he Raiders
back up? Raiders?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Okay? So yeah, I mean I know ZAPPI has playing experience.
I would not be shocked at all if you if
they announced Bailey Zappy and then then the story grows
again and do you think he minds again or was
that a one time deal.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I think that's a one time deal. I would imagine
we talked about it.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I mean, his dad's celebrating the mind It's like, come on, guys,
what are we doing.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I don't. I don't, I don't. I just don't get
it either. I just don't get out of Doug Gottlieb show.
Here on Fox Sports, Trader John Middlekoff is our guest.
Three out, of course is the podcast and the Volume
podcast Network. The Patriots beat the Bills in Buffalo. I said,
thought it was the biggest win for the Pats since
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the pandemic. Right, it's like five years. How are they
able to do that to a Bills team that had
looked so unbeatable in Orchard Park.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I think part of Mike Rabel's value and he did
this in Tennessee. Now by the you know, Tennessee's like
last good team had a bunch of talent, but early
on he kind of gets guys over achieve and he
uglies up the game and you could feel it right
away some of these turnovers. The game was just ugly.
Six three and a half, like that is a Rabel special.
He's like, I'm not getting in a shootout with these guys,
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will lose. I'm not gonna be these guys thirty five
to thirty two. We got to keep it low scoring,
make it kind of uncomfortable for Josh, and their quarterback
played really well, I mean great, probably the best game
of his life, you know, since maybe like sophomore year
in college was awesome. So to me, this is why
you hired Mike Brabel to have a chance in these
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type spots when you warn't as good as these teams. Now.
Part of it is there's a human nature element to this,
you know, the enormous favorites thinking like what we've been
rolling the past, We're going to continue and now I
think it's the best thing to happen to. Sean McDermott one,
you know, you go thirteen and four, you're gonna lose
some games, not all of them are just going to
be to the Chiefs for the Ravens, right, and hell,
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they beat those two teams this year, or I guess
they haven't played the Chiefs, but they've beatn the Chiefs
the last couple of years. So to me, it's like
you can coach them up now. Also, you get to
take that game when you play him again in New England,
really really seriously. But I think you know they might
have something in Drake May. Now you get the inspired
play from Stefan Diggs, Like I don't quite understand, Like
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how Digs got screwed? Wasn't he the guy who wanted out?
But hey, you know you take motivation however you take it,
and let's face and he looked like the guy I
saw a Minnesota years ago playing, So he.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Was he was unreal show. You're on Fox Sports Radio.
What's wrong with the Eagles?
Speaker 7 (27:04):
You know, I'm a big believer that to be a
play caller in football, like the difference of the good
play callers and the bad play callers. Like if you
put Kevin Petola, who's been in the NFL for two
decades now and Matt Lafleur or McVay or Kyle like
on a whiteboard. I don't think you or me could
tell the difference. He'd be like, these guys are geniuses
(27:25):
at football, but there and you know, as like a player,
there's a level of like, God, this guy has all
the physical tools. He should be a great small forward
or he should be a great tight end, and then
you just start playing. He's like, this guy doesn't have
a good feel for the sports. And I think sometimes
it's play callers. It's like it's almost like instincts as
a player, but it as a play caller. And so
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they get in the game and they just don't have
a field. There's no evan flowing. Some guys do, right.
You watch Kyle Shanahan coaching with Mac Jones. He just
like this guy just knows what he's doing. And you
watch the Eagles guy, which in fairness, they had James
Side that was a maze. That was a home run
higher Kellen Moore. They win the Super Bowl with gets
the head coaching job, So they've hit on some of
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these guys, but they also went had Brian Johnson. It
was ugly and now this is it's not quite as ugly,
but it's a little clunky, and I think it's just
you know, anytime a guy gets an opportunity to be
a play caller, it's a it's an unknown that no
one can quantify until you start calling plays. And through
five games you would say this, I don't know if
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this guy's got a long term future calling calling place
because it doesn't listen. Jalin's by no means a perfect player.
But holy moly, they got a lot of good players.
You see some of these guys failure, like, well, look
who's coaching. And they got a good offensive line, they got
take on On Barkley, they got multiple tight ends, they got
receivers for days, and it's like and that market's tough too,
(28:46):
so they they start kind of the pressure starts falling
on you. How we starts looking at you a little weird.
The owner starts looking at you wear some of the
players because they know what it looks like. So he
just he's got to have a game where he just
calls a bunch of touchdown plays and you look up
and they got thirty five points. Maybe that's get right.
Thursday night game against the Giants. The problem is Thursday
night game, especially as the season goes, they usually can
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be a little clunky, so it probably won't be this Thursday,
but everyone's gonna be paying attention, so it's going to
be a huge story if they even if they win
like seventeen to seven.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That's John Middlecoff NFL analysts host the Three and Out podcasts,
and you can hear that the the Volume podcast That work. John,
great stuff, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Thanks Doug.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
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we turn things over to Dan Biern and say, Dan,
let's play a game.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
All right, Doug. Yeah, the Tuesday game is rank up,
all right, Doug. Rank the top three teams in the
NFL through five weeks of the season. Yeah, I thought
it got a little sticky. Now after a week five.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You think everybody wants this job? Do they get this job?
And they gotta say something. I mean, I can't. I
can't say the Bengal I can't say the Steelers because
it's just their defense has been so bad. Their offense
has been great, you know. I I'd like to say
the Colts, although you know, what's there a good win
the Broncos and they probably should have beat the Rams,
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but they didn't. You know, like you know, they're one
of those teams that's gonna have a soft schedule this year.
I do like the Bills, but again, if we're honest,
you know, the Bills wins over the Ravens, who have
one win, the Jets, the Dolls, the Saints, and then
lost to the Patriots. So that's kind of betting on
the Well, we think they're good, so they got must
be good. Right. You go over to the NFC. We
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just saw the Eagles lose and every game has been
sort of in the balance to the Broncos and that
when they lost to the Broncos. The Lions after Week one,
I think they've earned a spot, but you know they're
wins Bears, Ravens, Browns, Bengals not great. And as much
as we want to say, like the Buccaneers, Falcons, Texans, Jets, Seahawks,
(31:39):
I'm gonna go Buffalo one. Okay, I'm just gonna go
Buffalo one. I'm still gonna say the Eagles are at
two and I'll put the Colts at three.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Isn't it interesting that it's really hard to determine any
any good like real good teams in this league, great
teams in this league. I think Dan brought up yesterday
that what there's a there's not a winless team for
the first time in a long time. Just one and
then the odds on are the most popular pick for
MVP right now, according to the Talk Space, is a
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quarterback of a two to two and one team the
very definition of mediocre.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
It's it's a complete mess. I would actually put Jacksonville
in the top three if it was my game. They
are Jake Browning quarterback sneak away from being five and
h yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yep, all right, they're also a Trevor Lawrence being touched
while he's down last night from losing at home.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Sure, I do think the wins, like the win in
San Francisco is a really good win.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I think they're good. I think they're good.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, I agree. I don't know if they're great, but yeah,
I think they're good. Ranked the top three teams, Doug,
you'll associate with Jill Flacco. I really liked this question.
I was actually proud of myself.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Ravens are one.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I'm curious Sam's thoughts on this as well.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Probably Colts two. I'll go with Browns.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Three, Browns three, all right. I don't know if Delaware
was going to get in on this.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Where he went to school originally, Pit Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Fighting Blue Hens m h all right. Doug ranked the
top three rivalry games in college football. So we've got
one this weekend between Texas and Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Texas and Oaklahoma. Wow, Bam Auburn at at three? Iron
Bowl Army maybe at two, I mean maybe at two
and hmm, Bam Auburn is decided. So many who's going
(34:01):
to play for a national championship. It's been crazy crazy
Ohio State Michigan.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Win all right, Doug ranked the top three teams Giannis
would best fit, with report from ESPN saying that Jannis
did tell the Bucks this summer that if you were dealt,
he'd want to go to the New York Knicks. He
was the only team that he mentioned. So the sides
did have a conversation. Apparently it didn't really go anywhere,
(34:28):
but they had talked over a couple of weeks. Where
do you think Ganis would best fit?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We'll go Knicks one, will go, Warriors two, and Lakers three.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
All right, and a final one here of the eight
remaining teams in baseball's playoffs, ranked the top three, and
who you think is going to win the World Series?
So we got Dodgers, Phil's Brewers, Cups, Jay's Yankees, Tigers, Mariners.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I'll go Jay's.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I thought I thought Jay was a Dodgers fan.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
You said Jay's Yankees.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Oh look at that one from Sam Brewers two Brewers,
two Dodgers one, who was three? I was laughing at
Sam's great joke, great joke, great joke joke.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Good job, who was three?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Great job They're up to all in the series. It's
a good, good wager to make. And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlief Show.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
What a night last night watching watching sports on TV.
That was fun. It's like that were the best that
Night's not We got a baseball game start right now, right, another.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
One because it's delayed by ye, but we have two
baseball games today, which is fine.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Thursday tomorrow's gonna be great, right, four baseball games tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Well, we'll see Blue Jays could end it tonight, true.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Could be definitely, will be three, could be four. And
then Thursday, granted it doesn't look like the greatest Thursday
football game, but you never know. Giants Eagles could be entertaining.
And then there's also some football games on Thursday night.
Nobody particularly good.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
But I think next week is the because there is
something about having a game of extreme importance that is
very heavily weighted of a league Championship Series game when
it's played in the daytime, Like there is something about it.
(36:55):
And I just I love next week on the couple
of days that we're going to be able to get
the double header for the LCS. I just I think
that it's awesome. I don't know why I go back
to the A's in the in the early nineties.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Jay, Still, you got to think like the Dodgers sing
it want or two at Home?
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Right, you're talking about the Dodgers this series.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, yeah, ye yeah, I mean, or you could talk
about day baseball like I like Dajie.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh listen, I love day baseball. It is unique with
championship series being played during the day. I just I
love the night stuff. Love the night stuff, especially outdoors indoors.
It doesn't matter as much. And also it is hard
to pay attention when's during the day. It's hard to
take it seriously when it's during the day. I know
(37:48):
it matters the same in terms of in the scorebook,
but it does. It feels different. It feels really different.
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(38:10):
from the weekend not covered yesterday? We'll get to it.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Next,
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Fox Sports Radio. Mmm, welcome in. What a day in
(00:28):
sport a night in sports? Huh? Was that good? Or
was that good? Man? That's amazing? Yeah? Uh, you got
Jason Stewart proved wrong but right, and you try and
run a play but it involves a bunt and anti
(00:52):
bunt guy had a had a great night. Not last
night with with the Dodgers hanging on to beat the
Phillies plas the Brewers took a commanding two games done
lead on the Cubs. We got to get to that.
We had Thursday Night Football where the Jaguars, Yes, I said,
the Jaguars moved to four and one. Was that Monday
Night Football? Sorry, I said Thursday Football, My mistake, Just
(01:14):
all the days crammed together. Monday Night Football where the
Jaguars take down the Chiefs. More issues with the Chiefs.
But I think we got to start with the story
of the day, which is breaking news. You've heard it
from Dan Byer, You've heard it here on Fox Sports Radio.
Joe Flatco is now a Bengal and in division trade.
(01:37):
In division trade from a guy who was the starter
for the Browns. Then the Browns pulled him. They started
Dylan Gabriel and now it's Dylan Gabriel and the backup
is Shoudure Sanders. Wow. Wow. The trade has not been
(01:59):
confirmed yet, but Adam Shefter did report it. Oh, I'm
sorry it should or being two is not confirmed yet.
I'm sure they'll bring in an old head, you know,
to be part of that that room. But man, is
that crazy?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It's not crazy? It's the Browns. I actually think that
should be their slogo slogan. What do you guys think
about that? Right? Like the Raiders is just win baby huh.
For a long time, the Patriots and then the Saints
(02:35):
were do your job. What if the Browns said, it's
that crazy? It's the Browns? Like, yeah, that that tracks,
that really tracks. So Joe Flacco to the Bengals because
the Bengals are they have to win. You'll only go
get Jay Flacco if you feel like anything's better than
what we're throwing out there. Cameron Wolf of the NFL
(02:58):
media is reporting that should is going to be number two.
My guess is they go and get out in the
street and they find a guy either practice squad or
at number three. But that is like, there's never a
dull moment with the Browns, a team that there's no
reason we should pay attention to, except for they had
four quarterbacks. Now they have two, and the two that
(03:20):
had experienced as starters, one who won a Super Bowl,
is now playing for their arch rival, and they're left
with Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders, who I can't tell
you what he's done at practice, but you know, up
until recently he wasn't even their scout team quarterback. Then,
of course last week he was doing the miming, you know,
speaking silently when asked questions after Dylan Gabriel's name starter.
(03:45):
Now he's the backup. That's that's Lane Kiffen, early in
his career, failing up from Shador Sanders. That's remarkable. That's crazy. Well,
it's not crazy, Sam, It's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's the Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The Browns, it's the Browns.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I don't remember an indivision trade of a starting quarterback
since Donovan McNabb. McNabb remember was traded from the Eagles
where he had taken them to the super Bowl to
the then Washington Redskins. And like, wow, that's an interesting trade.
You trade indivision, Like, oh, he's washed up. Everybody knows
(04:31):
what Flacco is. I don't think he's washed out, but
he's obviously not the player he used to be. But
the Bengals are in such desperate need of somebody who
can get rid of the football, and they do have
some talent there. Think out if your Joe Flacco. You
went from having to worry about a rookie third string
quarterback who's a fifth round draft pick and what he
(04:51):
was going to say to the media to where now
you have Jamar Chase to throw the football too, failing
up as well. That's not that's not bad. It's not bad.
Does make sense, but also really interesting. Kirk Cousins hasn't
been moved now. Part of it is kirk Cousins makes
a lot more money than Flaco is Placo does, but
(05:14):
Kirk Cousins just sitting there as a backup, not doing anything,
whereas Joe Flacco is on the move yet again. And
this going to the Cincinnati Bengals. All right, we'll circle
back to that one in a moment. But oh, you
had something. I'm sorry there, buyer, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, this is This is the interesting thing that I
think about this is you have the Cincinnati Bengals who
just don't want Jake Browning to throw interceptions. Like the
numbers are there. Jamar Chase actually had a good game,
maybe a fantasy football perspective, but Chase was at least
a factor against the Lions in a game where Cincinnati
(05:49):
was playing catchup ball game. The problem is, Jake Browning
just keeps on turning over the football. Did it against
the Vikings, did it against the Lions this past weekend.
So you bring in Joe Flacco, who, by the way,
at times is known to turn over the football, and
now you have a forty year old quarterback who moves
even less than Jake Browning and Joe Burrow behind them.
(06:11):
And it's one of those deals where you say you
do an in division trade. Why in the world would
the Browns want to do this for us, Like, why
would they want to do this sort of deal, because
it doesn't make a lot of sense. I do think
Cincinnati had to make a move. I didn't think the
Kirk Cousin scenario was realistic because of the amount of
money that Cousins has on his contract, something that you
(06:33):
pointed out. But I just don't know if Joe Flacco
is the solution to the problem for Cincinnati at this time.
You just need somebody to maybe have a little bit
more mobility as well. And I just I find it
so intriguing because they're sitting there at two and three
and the division is still up for grabs. We don't
(06:54):
believe in Pittsburgh as much as we do, and they
felt that this was the route to go, and if
the Browns were willing to do it, you'd have to
wonder why were the Browns willing to do it? And
I also don't think that Shadoor Sanders is the guarantee
to be the backup quarterback, and it has nothing to
do with Sanders. It would just be surprising to me
that the Browns would have two rookie quarterbacks be there
(07:16):
one and two at this point. Bailey Zappi is actually
on the team's practice squad. To me, that makes a
lot more sense if if she.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If he's the number if he's the number two. Yes, yeah,
but here's the thing. To have two rookie quarterbacks is crazy.
But as I started by sing, it's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's the bron it's the Browns. But what the Browns
are also saying at this point is a week ago,
Shadoor wasn't good enough to be the backup quarterback to
Dylan Gabriel, right because they said that Joe Flacca was
going to be the backup. So after one game, so
in seven days in London, mind you, they've now made
(08:01):
the decision that shador is ready for that backup role.
I don't necessarily think that that's the case. I think
we'll find out officially tomorrow on what they're going to do.
But some of the talk about Shadors you pointed out,
wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them. So now
they're gonna, you know, have him be a snap away
from starting.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I just.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know. I don't think that he's the guaranteed
backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Again, I don't think so either, but it's the Browns,
and yes, trading in division generally means you think a
guy's washed up. And Flacco is a guy that he
didn't hold it as much as Roethlisberger in his prime,
but has held the ball previously, and you feel like
the Bengals you got to get rid of it quick.
But I'm guessing that their thought is, Hey, we just
(08:53):
need somebody who's done it, who's been there, done that
can be a veteran, you know, can take a leadership role.
We have enough talent to be decent. We just we
just had, you know, without burd We're just not that team.
Like what are what? I guess your options are your
Kirk cousins and then who else? Who else is a
(09:15):
viable veteran backup who you feel like can plug and
play and you stick them in there and can play
within that offense.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean, let's let's just say, like you called Arizona
and said Jacoby Brissett, But what do you want for
Jacoby Brissette.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Hasn't he been in Cleveland or since he's been in
one of them? So you know, is Jacoby Brissett better
than Joe Flacco right now? I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't know, but I do know that Joe Flacco
threw six interceptions in four games so far this season
for the Browns. Yep, And that's what you don't want
to do if you're Cincinnati and behind that offensive line
you get someone who's less mobile. I yeah, it shocked
(09:57):
me when I saw that for so many reasons. And
I also good on the Bengals for trying to make
a move. I just don't know if this was the
move that they needed to make.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So let's
turn to baseball here real quick, because it deserves it.
It was such a good night. The Dodgers up for nothing,
give up a couple runs in the eighth right, and
then in the ninth it got Harry as well. It
gets to four to three, and Dave Roberts did something
(10:31):
that So Jayce, dude, take me through the Sasaki, Rookie
Sazaki and the decision that Dave Roberts made and why
it was such a big decision from a guy who's
followed every game of the Dodgers this year.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Rookie Sasaki is not a closer. There's a different process
for getting ready as a reliever than there is a starter.
Roki Sasaki takes I guess abnormally long periods of time
to get ready as a starter. Dave Roberts obviously didn't
want to use him last night. They had a four
to nothing lead, so he was thinking, I'm pretty good,
(11:05):
But then our bullpen blew up, like they do almost
every single night leading last night, the blow up was
Blake Trinan, who I don't even think should be on
the postseason roster. He was so bad this year. Three hits,
two runs, no outs for Blake Tryning, Thanks for coming,
(11:25):
and then Dave is forced to warm up Sasaki and
bring him in for the final out of the game.
He was obviously not excited to do so. Tommy Edmon
fills a ground ball with a tie and run at
third base and he throws it into the dirt, saved
by Freddie Freeman. Dodgers move on but barely, and we
(11:48):
go to LA two.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Zero crazy crazy night. Are are you guys a never
bunt guy?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Like?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Remember if we go back before they change the rules
in baseball, it was like bunting had completely gone away,
and then all of a sudden, now you know you're
seeing people lay down bunds even more. And in that particular, what,
by the way, what an incredible defensive play? Incredible defensive play,
But never bunt guy is still mumbling today, what are
(12:21):
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Speaker 2 (12:38):
Tasaki hunkers down on the mound, kicks in fires turner,
swings crown.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Ball, a second scooped up by him, and he throws
first dug out by Freddy Freeman. He picks it and
saves the game. That's so win for RelA.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Hmmm, yeah, I mean what a great pick by Freddy Freeman.
Now you said he's Steve sacksed it. I think that's
a dated reference. When you saw the throw to second
base buyer from second base to win the game, who
(13:17):
is the player that you thought of in terms of.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I think everybody thinks nah Block Chuck.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Nab Block would be a more recent than Steve Sacks.
And then there's also John.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, then we don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
John Lester, Yes, well, John Lester was with the Cubs
when he couldn't throw the first base. So there's actually
times where he would throw. He would do underhand, but
then he would throw one couple times he threw with
the glove. He threw the glove with the ball still
in it. Right. Steve Sacks had that problem as well.
Is anybody recently had that problem where they couldn't do
(13:51):
the first base, couldn't throw the first base before last night.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That top of my head?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Can you imagine if the Dodgers lost on that throw,
what Jason would be like today? And they nearly did.
Freddy save the day.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
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you don't have a camera. I'd like I don't. I'm
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Speaker 4 (14:57):
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Speaker 1 (15:04):
My doings, your big brother? Is that what you are? Okay?
I didn't know that I had. I had no idea.
John min o'coff will join us upcoming in about five minutes.
I think Dan, you picked the chiefs right, and then
did the three of us Sam, you, Me and No.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
No, no, and you were wrong. Oh I was also
close to being right.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You were close to being right. You know what's interesting
about less? There's lots of things interesting about last night's
football game. The first is something from my childhood that
used to be like an iconic football play. People have
figured out how to defend it. And now it's like
you would never tell anybody to do it. And it's
(15:54):
jumping over the pile. Now I grant you, he's extending
the ball and it slipped out his hands. I got
poked out, slipped out of his hands. I'm talking about
Trevor Lawrence. Was that the first quarter? I think was
the first quarter. But if you think of our childhood
and Dan, I think you can, you can attest to this,
Jase dou you can. It's a little Sam's a little
(16:14):
younger than us. Walter Payton was probably most famous. Do
you think guys for being the guy who would jump
over the pile and get in the end zone? Was
he the one the most synonymous with it?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I think yeah, the leaping portion of it. Marcus Allen
was really good at the goal line as well in
that sort of role. But I think that the leap
sweetness is the lasting.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Image, right, And now you would never tell a player
to leap, like, yeah, when you leap, you exposed the football.
Exposed the football, they'll poke it out or they'll punch
it out. A rule which Jase dou thinks is going
to be changed in the offseason. You may maybe right,
But you know what is like a short fire touchdown
and then we have all this technology and I actually
think I think I think they got the call right.
(17:02):
I think they got the call right. But I mean,
there's a line, there's a football. Isn't there a little
microchip inside the football? Wasn't that what we were told
last year that they're gonna add the microchip to the football.
So shouldn't we know if it crossed the goal line?
Or they only have the microchip in the football and
not in the goal line.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
They can only do it via the measurements on a
first down, so you can't do it to see if
it's crossed the goal line or not. So like when
they spot the ball instead of bringing out the chain game,
that's how they that's how they figure it out. That's
what it's used for.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's interesting. Baseball has got abs. They won't use it
this year in the playoffs. Football has got microchips in
the football. Is yet they're only going to use it
to spot the ball, not to tell us if it
went into the inzimee, But I guess you know, we're
five games in the season. Are you in on the Jaguars?
And how out are you on the Chiefs? And the
thing about the Chiefs is that, yeah, they're helped out
(17:58):
by the fact that the Chargers, you know, have have
suddenly looked very human, very beatable, and look a lot
of it is injuries, but they've lost the games. There's
no one cares. At the end of the year, Broncos
coming on strong. Raiders don't look like challengers at all.
But my big question all off season was with the
(18:20):
is the league finally caught up to the Chiefs and
his age finally caught up to the Chiefs. Here's Pat
Mahomes talking about the Chiefs continue to beat themselves.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean it kind of just talks about our whole
entire season. I mean, we I feel like we have
we have the guys, and we've executed at certain points
of game and looked really good and then we we
kind of crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes and interceptions
and fumbles or whatever that is. I mean, it's just
we've kind of we've kind of done that to ourselves
all year long. It's kind of been one guy here there,
(18:47):
and in this league it's so close that those those
change games, and so we got to be better. You know,
we we we've lost too many games already.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's interesting because this is a team that fans of
the league thought, you know, there's all those memes with
Pat Mahomes and officials somehow either giving bro hugs or
regular hugs. The penalties just killed the Chiefs. Here's Andy Reid,
their head coach.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Thirteen penalties to Therefore, whether I agree with them or
don't agree with them, it doesn't matter. They called them.
And so you have that many penalties, you give a
field position. You can outstat them to death, but it
doesn't matter. It's a score that matters, and we've got
to take care of business.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
There's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. John
Middlecoff's our guests. He's the host of the three Now podcasts.
He joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. John was last night more about the
Chiefs or the Jaguars.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
I think it was more about the Jags. I mean,
I think they're pretty good. You know, I didn't know
if it was sustainable the way they beat the Niners.
You know, their defense was like on this just tear
with turnovers. But turns out their defenses as good. I mean,
and they were missing you could argue their best defensive player,
definitely their best defensive lineman. So they're a good defensive teams.
(20:08):
Not totally sold on Trevor Lawrence, but I mean that
throw he made on third and long or third whatever,
what third and eighth, third seven to Brian Thomas for
forty three yards, made another big drow a couple of
plays later. And the effort he had on the run,
I mean not giving up because if he gets stacked
or just tackled, you know, the two or three yard line,
they don't have timeouts. And he just kind of willed
(20:30):
himself into the end zone, which will kind of a
knock on him. He was like, how much does he
love football?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Last night?
Speaker 7 (20:35):
He was pretty awesome with his legs. I think Achieves,
big picture are gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
They're not gonna win fifteen games this year, but I
think when the dust Pedals look at the AFC, I mean,
it's a mass unit. From an injury standpoint, Some of
the top teams hell even in their division. The Chargers
are in shambells, the Ravens are in shambles. So my
guess would be they're probably more like a ten win team,
but I think they'll be, you know, a wild card
squad that you know, if you're the two seed, they're
(21:01):
the seventh seeds. Not exactly. Good luck playing Andy Reid
and Patrick Mahomes in round one.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I agree with you. You mentioned injuries. Is that's what
that's what's wrong with the Chargers, same thing with the
Ravens or something else.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
Yeah, I mean I think it's it's even worse. I mean,
you would say the Niners it felt like they had
it the worst, but I think the Ravens now when
you factor in Lamar's out and his impact to that team,
they got no shots. You know who's got it better
than us? Well, not the Hardball Brothers because they have
a high fright team. You know, Lamar makes a lot
(21:36):
of money, and a Bouquet makes a lot of money.
Roke lamp Smith makes a lot of money, Cale Hamilton,
Marlon Humphrey. You remove all these players, you got no shot.
And I mean part of when you start paying people
in any you know, especially basketball or football, the backups
you're pretty dependent on young players, random practice squad type guys,
and man, they have been housed the last I mean
(21:59):
really started with that Lions game, but the last two
weeks embarrassed. I don't see how it gets any better.
Assuming the Rams are, you know, healthy going into that game,
it could kind of look the same.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, John Middlecoff
is our guest. Joe Flacco traded from the Browns to
the Bengals. So much to unpack. But I do think,
you know, Buyer brought up a great point, like, I
get that you needed anybody other than Browning, But what
(22:33):
does it say that the Browns are willing to trade
him in division to a team they haven't played yet,
They're gonna play twice. Joe Flacco washed and the Bengals
are bringing in a washed up quarterback.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Well, here's the other thing. He can't move, so you
have an offensive line which is horrendous. Browning is a
decent athlete. He's getting destroyed. Well, Flacco, you would say,
of all the guys that played in the NFL at quarterbacks,
even the first couple, you know, backups included probably the
worst foot athlete in the league. Maybe Jacobe were set,
you know, Kirk Cousins, like it's he's a sitting duck.
(23:07):
So unless you're just like one hitch fire go routes
to your two receivers, he's not going to be able
to function any better or something like you said. He's
not like he's playing well in the first place, but
he can't move. So I don't know why I through them,
especially with the season. I mean, let's face it's kind
of over why you wouldn't take a chance on someone's
like more athletic young quarterback, maybe especially like on a
(23:30):
practice squad pick up. Now you know they would say, well,
you know, some of these teams that have backups that
are athletic won't trade us guys, which is probably some
truth to that. But I think Flacco solves zero issues now.
I think the question mark is the mind the backup
quarterback in in Cleveland or is it Zappi or someone else?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
What do you think happens?
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Well, I don't know. I mean I think I would
say probably not Still, I mean I would expect. I mean,
they had it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I don't think you can't elevate him after what he
did last week, even if you think, you know, he
thought it was funny pickets.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
I mean, we haven't heard from that guy. They traded
Kenny Pickett, Right, Is Kenny Pickets gone?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah? Canty Pickett to the Raiders? Right? Was he Raiders
back up? Raiders?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Okay? So yeah, I mean I know ZAPPI has playing experience.
I would not be shocked at all if you if
they announced Bailey Zappy and then then the story grows
again and do you think he minds again or was
that a one time deal.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I think that's a one time deal. I would imagine
we talked about it.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I mean, his dad's celebrating the mind It's like, come on, guys,
what are we doing.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I don't. I don't, I don't. I just don't get
it either. I just don't get out of Doug Gottlieb show.
Here on Fox Sports, Trader John Middlekoff is our guest.
Three out, of course is the podcast and the Volume
podcast Network. The Patriots beat the Bills in Buffalo. I said,
thought it was the biggest win for the Pats since
(25:06):
the pandemic. Right, it's like five years. How are they
able to do that to a Bills team that had
looked so unbeatable in Orchard Park.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I think part of Mike Rabel's value and he did
this in Tennessee. Now by the you know, Tennessee's like
last good team had a bunch of talent, but early
on he kind of gets guys over achieve and he
uglies up the game and you could feel it right
away some of these turnovers. The game was just ugly.
Six three and a half, like that is a Rabel special.
He's like, I'm not getting in a shootout with these guys,
(25:39):
will lose. I'm not gonna be these guys thirty five
to thirty two. We got to keep it low scoring,
make it kind of uncomfortable for Josh, and their quarterback
played really well, I mean great, probably the best game
of his life, you know, since maybe like sophomore year
in college was awesome. So to me, this is why
you hired Mike Brabel to have a chance in these
(26:01):
type spots when you warn't as good as these teams. Now.
Part of it is there's a human nature element to this,
you know, the enormous favorites thinking like what we've been
rolling the past, We're going to continue and now I
think it's the best thing to happen to. Sean McDermott one,
you know, you go thirteen and four, you're gonna lose
some games, not all of them are just going to
be to the Chiefs for the Ravens, right, and hell,
(26:21):
they beat those two teams this year, or I guess
they haven't played the Chiefs, but they've beatn the Chiefs
the last couple of years. So to me, it's like
you can coach them up now. Also, you get to
take that game when you play him again in New England,
really really seriously. But I think you know they might
have something in Drake May. Now you get the inspired
play from Stefan Diggs, Like I don't quite understand, Like
(26:44):
how Digs got screwed? Wasn't he the guy who wanted out?
But hey, you know you take motivation however you take it,
and let's face and he looked like the guy I
saw a Minnesota years ago playing, So he.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Was he was unreal show. You're on Fox Sports Radio.
What's wrong with the Eagles?
Speaker 7 (27:04):
You know, I'm a big believer that to be a
play caller in football, like the difference of the good
play callers and the bad play callers. Like if you
put Kevin Petola, who's been in the NFL for two
decades now and Matt Lafleur or McVay or Kyle like
on a whiteboard. I don't think you or me could
tell the difference. He'd be like, these guys are geniuses
(27:25):
at football, but there and you know, as like a player,
there's a level of like, God, this guy has all
the physical tools. He should be a great small forward
or he should be a great tight end, and then
you just start playing. He's like, this guy doesn't have
a good feel for the sports. And I think sometimes
it's play callers. It's like it's almost like instincts as
a player, but it as a play caller. And so
(27:46):
they get in the game and they just don't have
a field. There's no evan flowing. Some guys do, right.
You watch Kyle Shanahan coaching with Mac Jones. He just
like this guy just knows what he's doing. And you
watch the Eagles guy, which in fairness, they had James
Side that was a maze. That was a home run
higher Kellen Moore. They win the Super Bowl with gets
the head coaching job, So they've hit on some of
(28:06):
these guys, but they also went had Brian Johnson. It
was ugly and now this is it's not quite as ugly,
but it's a little clunky, and I think it's just
you know, anytime a guy gets an opportunity to be
a play caller, it's a it's an unknown that no
one can quantify until you start calling plays. And through
five games you would say this, I don't know if
(28:26):
this guy's got a long term future calling calling place
because it doesn't listen. Jalin's by no means a perfect player.
But holy moly, they got a lot of good players.
You see some of these guys failure, like, well, look
who's coaching. And they got a good offensive line, they got
take on On Barkley, they got multiple tight ends, they got
receivers for days, and it's like and that market's tough too,
(28:46):
so they they start kind of the pressure starts falling
on you. How we starts looking at you a little weird.
The owner starts looking at you wear some of the
players because they know what it looks like. So he
just he's got to have a game where he just
calls a bunch of touchdown plays and you look up
and they got thirty five points. Maybe that's get right.
Thursday night game against the Giants. The problem is Thursday
night game, especially as the season goes, they usually can
(29:08):
be a little clunky, so it probably won't be this Thursday,
but everyone's gonna be paying attention, so it's going to
be a huge story if they even if they win
like seventeen to seven.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That's John Middlecoff NFL analysts host the Three and Out podcasts,
and you can hear that the the Volume podcast That work. John,
great stuff, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Thanks Doug.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
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(29:55):
we turn things over to Dan Biern and say, Dan,
let's play a game.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
All right, Doug. Yeah, the Tuesday game is rank up,
all right, Doug. Rank the top three teams in the
NFL through five weeks of the season. Yeah, I thought
it got a little sticky. Now after a week five.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You think everybody wants this job? Do they get this job?
And they gotta say something. I mean, I can't. I
can't say the Bengal I can't say the Steelers because
it's just their defense has been so bad. Their offense
has been great, you know. I I'd like to say
the Colts, although you know, what's there a good win
the Broncos and they probably should have beat the Rams,
(30:47):
but they didn't. You know, like you know, they're one
of those teams that's gonna have a soft schedule this year.
I do like the Bills, but again, if we're honest,
you know, the Bills wins over the Ravens, who have
one win, the Jets, the Dolls, the Saints, and then
lost to the Patriots. So that's kind of betting on
the Well, we think they're good, so they got must
be good. Right. You go over to the NFC. We
(31:09):
just saw the Eagles lose and every game has been
sort of in the balance to the Broncos and that
when they lost to the Broncos. The Lions after Week one,
I think they've earned a spot, but you know they're
wins Bears, Ravens, Browns, Bengals not great. And as much
as we want to say, like the Buccaneers, Falcons, Texans, Jets, Seahawks,
(31:39):
I'm gonna go Buffalo one. Okay, I'm just gonna go
Buffalo one. I'm still gonna say the Eagles are at
two and I'll put the Colts at three.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Isn't it interesting that it's really hard to determine any
any good like real good teams in this league, great
teams in this league. I think Dan brought up yesterday
that what there's a there's not a winless team for
the first time in a long time. Just one and
then the odds on are the most popular pick for
MVP right now, according to the Talk Space, is a
(32:13):
quarterback of a two to two and one team the
very definition of mediocre.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
It's it's a complete mess. I would actually put Jacksonville
in the top three if it was my game. They
are Jake Browning quarterback sneak away from being five and
h yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yep, all right, they're also a Trevor Lawrence being touched
while he's down last night from losing at home.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Sure, I do think the wins, like the win in
San Francisco is a really good win.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I think they're good. I think they're good.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, I agree. I don't know if they're great, but yeah,
I think they're good. Ranked the top three teams, Doug,
you'll associate with Jill Flacco. I really liked this question.
I was actually proud of myself.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Ravens are one.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I'm curious Sam's thoughts on this as well.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Probably Colts two. I'll go with Browns.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Three, Browns three, all right. I don't know if Delaware
was going to get in on this.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Where he went to school originally, Pit Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Fighting Blue Hens m h all right. Doug ranked the
top three rivalry games in college football. So we've got
one this weekend between Texas and Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Texas and Oaklahoma. Wow, Bam Auburn at at three? Iron
Bowl Army maybe at two, I mean maybe at two
and hmm, Bam Auburn is decided. So many who's going
(34:01):
to play for a national championship. It's been crazy crazy
Ohio State Michigan.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Win all right, Doug ranked the top three teams Giannis
would best fit, with report from ESPN saying that Jannis
did tell the Bucks this summer that if you were dealt,
he'd want to go to the New York Knicks. He
was the only team that he mentioned. So the sides
did have a conversation. Apparently it didn't really go anywhere,
(34:28):
but they had talked over a couple of weeks. Where
do you think Ganis would best fit?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We'll go Knicks one, will go, Warriors two, and Lakers three.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
All right, and a final one here of the eight
remaining teams in baseball's playoffs, ranked the top three, and
who you think is going to win the World Series?
So we got Dodgers, Phil's Brewers, Cups, Jay's Yankees, Tigers, Mariners.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I'll go Jay's.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I thought I thought Jay was a Dodgers fan.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
You said Jay's Yankees.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Oh look at that one from Sam Brewers two Brewers,
two Dodgers one, who was three? I was laughing at
Sam's great joke, great joke, great joke joke.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Good job, who was three?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Great job They're up to all in the series. It's
a good, good wager to make. And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlief Show.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
What a night last night watching watching sports on TV.
That was fun. It's like that were the best that
Night's not We got a baseball game start right now, right, another.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
One because it's delayed by ye, but we have two
baseball games today, which is fine.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Thursday tomorrow's gonna be great, right, four baseball games tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Well, we'll see Blue Jays could end it tonight, true.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Could be definitely, will be three, could be four. And
then Thursday, granted it doesn't look like the greatest Thursday
football game, but you never know. Giants Eagles could be entertaining.
And then there's also some football games on Thursday night.
Nobody particularly good.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
But I think next week is the because there is
something about having a game of extreme importance that is
very heavily weighted of a league Championship Series game when
it's played in the daytime, Like there is something about it.
(36:55):
And I just I love next week on the couple
of days that we're going to be able to get
the double header for the LCS. I just I think
that it's awesome. I don't know why I go back
to the A's in the in the early nineties.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Jay, Still, you got to think like the Dodgers sing
it want or two at Home?
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Right, you're talking about the Dodgers this series.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, yeah, ye yeah, I mean, or you could talk
about day baseball like I like Dajie.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh listen, I love day baseball. It is unique with
championship series being played during the day. I just I
love the night stuff. Love the night stuff, especially outdoors indoors.
It doesn't matter as much. And also it is hard
to pay attention when's during the day. It's hard to
take it seriously when it's during the day. I know
(37:48):
it matters the same in terms of in the scorebook,
but it does. It feels different. It feels really different.
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(38:10):
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