May 6, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about how Oklahoma City lost game one of their series against Denver, and the role big man Chet Holmgren played in that lost. Doug weighs in on the Justin Tucker story and explains why he thinks the Ravens did nothing wrong in their messaging about cutting the former All-Pro. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff on the show to talk about Tucker, the Steelers and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Searching app as call Oh What Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Coming to you from actually from Aaron Hills.
I I'm glad that I can't see Buyer on our
YouTube channel, on our digitals, on our digital feed, because
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I could, just I could, I will be able to
sense his jealousy. Because if you played with me today,
my friends, did you know that I am not a golfer?
I the last time I played golf was actually here,
and it was last year, the day of our first practice, ironically,
and I look like a guy who hadn't swung a
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golf club in however many months. Well, welcome in. This
is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
A good amount to talk about Justin Tucker getting released.
I'm always cautious with the words that you use. Maybe
we need to think about that he was waived is
a better word than released. Anyway, that's maybe a little
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bit too deep. Let's instead get to last night's game.
Celtics at a twenty point lead, they lose at home,
Thunder have a lead late, they lose at home, and
we could get into why the Thunder fouled up three
early in the early with the with the clock remaining,
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we get into what actually happened on the last play.
But I just think the easiest thing is this. Look,
I'm I'm fully aware of what my team's record was
at the end of our first year, and I could
go into the reasons and sometimes they could sound like
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excuses or whatever, but I continue to believe. I don't believe.
I know that you have to teach players everything, and
the hardest thing to teach them how to do is
to win. And winning is different in different situations. And
you're like, well, that's you know, that's that, that's that
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sounds like obvious talk, Like yeah, it is, But winning
a game like that, finding a way to finish, finding
a way to close, if you haven't done it before,
it's hard to just do it. It's hard to just
do it, and it doesn't mean that forever. The Oklahoma
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City Thunder or Chet Holmgren is going to be a choker,
but he choked last night, and it's kind of obvious. Yeah,
maybe they shouldn't have fouled so early up three. Okay,
I again, we all we all fall back on the
hard and fast rules. Our last home game of the year,
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under seven sects to go, which is generally the hard
and fast rule, we fouled up three points. The problem
is we're one of the worst rebounding teams in the country.
We were going against one of the best rebounding teams
in the country, and they were also a high volume,
low make three point shooting team. So we probably should
have just challenged a three point shot and not fouled
late in the game, especially because the guy we fouled.
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You know, when we fouled, they only had one or
two three point shooters in the court. But I digress.
The point is this Chet Holmgren is I don't know
if he'll ever be as good as people wanted him
to be. I don't know if this is a Nick
Anderson type of moment. And if you don't remember Nick Anderson,
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he was the star with the Orlando Magic. He missed
four consecutive free throws in Game one of their NBA
Finals series against the Houston Rockets. Back when Houston won
their first was that first or a second title? Second?
Second was back to back titles, right, and Nick Anderson
was never the same as a player. But the point
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is that you gotta That's something you kind of can't teach.
They just gotta do, and eventually you do it enough,
you know how to get it done. And this is
why the old guys that foul so much and don't
move as well, why they become more effective in the
playoffs is because they don't miss two consecutive free throws.
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They don't leave an Aaron Gordon and help when help
wasn't really needed on a Russell Westbrook drive, and he
killed them at both ends. But winning is the last
thing and the hardest thing to teach. And just because
you've won in the regular season is not like winning
in the postseason. That's a completely different animal. And it's
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the old Rudy Tom Jonovitch. Never underestimate the heart of
a champion. Yeah, just I honestly think, never underestimate how
valuable it is when you've won that last game, when
you've won a seven game series, when you've won a
Western Conference Finals, when you've won an NBA Championship. When
you've done that, you're kind of playing with house money.
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That's really what it is, kind of playing with house money.
Because we can criticize whatever Jamal Murray and which Jamal
Murray is the real Jamal Murray. We can criticize Nikolae
Jokic some at times for his defense, whatever, but you
can't be critical of the fact that or you can't
go back forever. They are actually champions. They have actually
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done it, and we can be hopeful towards Shay Gildis Alexander,
we can be helpful towards chet Holmgren, but until they
do it, they still wear the badge of they've never
done it before, and when you haven't done it before.
Last year, they lose to the Dallas Mavericks, who on
paper would feel like an inferior team, but to beat him.
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This year, they're down one game and none to the
Denver Nuggets. It doesn't mean they're going to lose the series.
And it happened right on the back of the Boston
Celtics and defending NBA champions losing at home to the
New York Dicks after being up twenty in the second half.
But until you've actually done it. Boston Celtics did it
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last year. That's that benefit of the doubt. You're never
going to get the benefit of the doubt never. It's
a Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Rader. Here's
the thunderhead coach Mark Dagno explaining why they fouled up
early in the shaklack up three in the early in
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the shock clock.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's usually our deal is to file up three and
to play that game. I thought we executed the files
pretty well, got the ball and bounds pretty well. It
didn't go our way tonight, but it's worked out well
for us in the past. We'll continue to look at it,
maybe learn from it. But I didn't think that's probably
lost the game.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Here's why his team lost.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You said that the filing situation on the stretch wasn't
why you lost.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
What would you boil it down to why you lost
this one?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean just overall execution on both ends of the floor.
I thought defensive execution, we had a lot of possessions
that we can clean up and learn from. The rebounding
we can definitely learn from they had a lot of offensive rebounds.
Then I'd give him a lot of second life and
then our execution down the stretch offensively.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, execution offensively down the stretch. Here's David Adelman, who's
the interim head coach now that was he named the
full time head coach of the of the Denver Nuggets.
On the impact of Aaron Gordon. Aaron's going to be
a hero again.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
But I'm also looking at fourteen rebounds, so I'm looking
at twenty two points. I'm looking at ball handling, responsibilities, leadership.
He is a Denver nugget man like he is the
soul of our team. So cool to see him have
two moments sitting on and never forget.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Here's Aaron Gordon talking about his game winn He shot.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Great poise, great poise with this team between Jamal Murray,
Nicole of yo kids, you got Hall of Famer, Russell Westbrook,
you got CB was stepping into his own so a
lot of guys stepped up. But I think are poised
and uh, I believe that we were gonna win no
matter the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, because they've done it before, they
don't have any sort of fear. You're still playing with
house money, and you have the calmness of knowing you've
done before and thus you can do it again. Byron
didn't have my camera on initially when I said I
played at Aaron Hills today. I'm telling you, like the
USGA had us out today because you know the Women's
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US Open is here in twenty two days. When I
say it was like a great day for golf, Like
the rough is not the it is not that high.
You know they're gonna let it grow here these next
three weeks, and it is was like seventy two by
the seventy two seventy five and breezy, so you get
just enough of the wind but not so much that
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you're like you have to be really really good.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It's just a good barometer test by the way of
like friendship and connection. Like Sam last week did not
tell us. That didn't tell me that he was out
on Friday, so it was a surprise, you like not
being like, hey man, I guess what I'm gonna be
at Aaron Hills on Tuesday, Like you doing it after
the fact, like is a good barometer of like where
we stand. Like I feel like Jason would tell me,
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I just like you and Sam are just like after
the fact, people of like, oh, yeah, I'm not in
on Friday, I feel like, hey, guys, guess what I'm
not going to be in on this day or I'm
going to be doing on this on that day. I
feel it's it's a barometer, and so's it feels it's
a little bit of a hit, Doug. To be honest
with you, that like I didn't. I didn't even get
the like obligatory heads up. The nation found out when
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I found out, the world found out when I found.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Out, Wow, it's a fair critique. It is. It is.
It's it's not intended to be personal. It feels personal.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
It does.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Really.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I also thought on the thunder Nuggets, but I could not.
I could not stay away from making those comments.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I sincerely Puss you would have you honestly, this is
a day where I'm like, you would have loved.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
This after the fact, Yeah, that would have been great. No,
I'm for the record, For the record, it's my anniversary today,
So I would not have been even been able to
go if Doug said, you know what, why don't you
come home for a couple of days. Aren't you come
and you know, play some golf.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I knew that I touch lease, yes, yes, I didn't
want to put you in that situation. All right? Coming
up next to the Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Do you not want to hear my thunder Nuggets thoughts?
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, yeah, go, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Sorry, I just wanted to. I think that dag No
was my two cents completely off the mark. They fouled
way too early at ten seconds. The rule is usually
under ten seconds or whatever, under seven there you go
perfect to follow him in the backcourt and then to
make it a free throw shooting contest when you're the
ones in the lead. Nuggets had nothing to lose, thundered
everything to lose. I I think that they completely I
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don't even chalk it up to youth. I think that
they just botched that scenario in that in that last fall,
that was the biggest difference in the game, when they
were able to uh go up three on the SGA
dunk and then let basically no time run off and
they were basically back where they were.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's it's actually for many people, it swung the other
way to where it's a you know, uh John Roth scene.
You know what is he? What does he does? These
three rules? He's a college basketball guy at at C's
college basketball.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
In sep right now, long sleep, But he'll have.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
These tweetseries like, you know, three things like never acknowledge
Godfather three, I forget what.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Yeah, never yet, never eat pizza outside of the Eastern
time zone. That's one of them.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They always foul up three, and I'm just telling you,
I lived it. You don't always foul up three, okay.
And there's a specific timing element of I would say
in the NBA is probably less than seven seconds because
of you know, advancing the basketball, how long it actually takes,
all these other things. But yeah, ten seconds. I've never
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heard under ten. I've always heard under seven. Brad Stevens
is the first one to verbalize it that I ever
heard of, and he said, under seven. That's what I've
kind of lived by. We fouled with six point eight,
still lost this year.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I also this is minor, but I have a real
problem with guys chucking up three quarter court shots. I
would rather be late, but get my shot off at
half court, like, at least take the chance that I
have a better chance of making a half court shot.
So when Tyre's Halliburton had his bucket against the Bucks
in Game five, Giannis just threw it into Gary Trent in.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
The back, throwing it down the court. Yeah to portus, Yeah,
we're just down there.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
One point three seconds left, like you're not gonna make it.
Last night the Thunder no timeouts, but they had two
point eight seconds. Yeah, they panicked and Williams just got
the inbound and chucked one up, and you're like.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's really interesting. Now, look our guys panicked. We practiced
since last summer, we practiced between three and seven seconds,
what we do three and under seconds, what we do
seven seconds and over what we do, like, practice it
all the time. And with four seconds to go in
that same Oakland game, they we just threw it and
dribbled up to court and shot probably a logo three.
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Wasn't a terrible shot, but what was the point of
practicing what we wanted to do Otherwise? Anyway, I agree
with you like it is it is, But it's also
because NBA teams usually have an extra timeout, so they
usually advance the basketball and they're prepared for it. And
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then in the rare cases and there's two games that
they each team did not have timeouts. I thought the
inbounder panicked and threw it to kind of the the
closest guy, and you end up taking a seventy five
foot shot, which is you know you're gonna make five
percent or less of the time, whereas at mid court
you're probably percentages in the twenty percent more steps.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah, Nuggets are the thunder used two of their timeouts
at twelve seconds and at ten seconds so and which
then goes back to the strategy dog of them fouling immediately,
which forced them to use two timeouts in two seconds
of game time. Deegnew can say like we just yahd
with some other things. No, they completely botched the ending
of the game and it's on them.
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Speaker 8 (14:51):
Second free throw home gird lifted again, rebound down to
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Speaker 2 (15:00):
For the win.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Yeah, two point eight seconds left coming back the other way.
Williams from half court taked it no good at the horn,
and the Denver Nuggets shocked the Oklahoma City Thunder in
Game number one final tonight, one twenty.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
One to one ninety.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
That was on the Altitude Radio Network. What to come back?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
What a win?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Some interesting happened yesterday, I think Dan it happened during
the show when Justin Tucker was released.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
No, it happened right when the show ended, five o'clock
Eastern time. Yeah, news came down.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, but weird. Obviously, Usually if it's if you're gonna
release somebody five o'clock eastern, you want to do it.
You want to do it on a news drop Friday,
like a what is it? What is it called news
dump Friday? Right? A news do one Friday is usually
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on a holiday weekend. You do it It's an old
political tactic right where you make an announcement at after
four o'clock, So anybody whose print journalism has already submitted
all their stuff. Everybody's gone, and by the time Tuesday
comes around people are back at work. The story has
been buried five times over. It's essentially what they did,
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only it was it was on a Monday. Here's the
post from Eric DaCosta, who's the executive vice president general manager.
Sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult, and this one this
is one of those instances. Considering our current roster, we've
made the tough decision to release Justin Tucker. Justin created
many significant and unforgiveavable moments in Raven's history. He is reliable.
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His reliability, focus, drive, resilience and extraordinary talent made him
one of the league's best kickers for over a decade.
We are grateful of Justin's many contributions while playing for
the Ravens. We sincerely wish him and his family the
very best in the next chapter of their lives. I've
been told that's tone deaf. If that's tone deaf, I
don't know what tone you're looking for. Right There is
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nothing about Uh, there's nothing in there. But he's an
amazing human being, an amazing husband. They didn't go like
over the top of it. They just kept it in football.
Hey man, the hell of a player. He made great
football plays. We're choosing to make this because of football. That's,
by the way, how you're supposed to do it. Don't
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make it about anything. It's just make it about football.
And he had a rough year, considering he's one of
the all time great kickers. And now we're gonna move on. Done,
we wash our hands of it. I guess my question
and I'll tell you what I think the answer is,
and then you guys tell me if you agree or disagree.
That that fair.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think that that's fair for you. Here's what I think.
I don't think there's more coming out. Might there be
another massage therapist? Maybe? I don't think that does additional damage,
And I reserve the right to be wrong. I just
think this was the smartest, easiest way to do it,
in a non confrontational way, because they couldn't have on
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the football team anymore. Because I know there's some speculation, Well,
they wouldn't doing this unless there was more coming out.
Does there have to be like, I think we've had enough.
Clearly it was his thing, whether the women were coerced
to doing it, whether it was a normal thing and
they knew. I don't know, and I don't know if
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every one of them is telling the exact truth. And
I don't actually care. Sixteen women feels like a lot.
You got Tony Buzzbeat again, where he finds somebody and
then he finds somebody. Hey, there's a pattern for me.
I'm gonna find that pattern, and I'm gonna make whoever
this guy is suffer. That's what happened with de Shaun Watson.
That's what's happening here. But it's I'm of the opinion
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that this is just like, hey, look, your production has
to be better than your problems, and these are big problems,
and your production wasn't great, and so we're going to
move on. You buy that, buy er. Do you think
there's more coming out?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
No, I don't think that there's more coming out. In
a way, I think that the Ravens were a little
damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he
just writes we're releasing justin Tucker, I think speculation then
maybe goes that way that they think more is coming out.
Maybe there's I just don't know which right way to
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put it. I would say it did feel like they
were leaning towards making Tucker feel better instead of maybe
towing the center line of it. That I think is
what people expected, unless other people expect them them to
go completely other way. But has denied all of these allegations,
and so, I yeah, I think that they that he
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was in a tough spot. I do think that they
they with the sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult. I
think that is leaning towards Tucker a little bit. But
I think he would have been criticized no matter what
statement they would have released.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I mean, it was they made it into a football decision.
And oh yeah, by the way, these are all allegations. Now, Okay,
it doesn't look good. I mean, none of us are
saying it looks. It looks good. But until there's there
has been no civil trial, there's been no settlements, there's
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no criminal trial even on the docket, so these are
merely allegations, right, correct. Okay, we can all have our
opinion on if it happened or didn't happen or whatever,
but they all are at this point allegations. And so
if you're being critical of the uh of the Baltimore Ravens, remember,
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like I understand it was, who is the kicker in Buffalo,
Let's bring in John Middlecoff, John Midlecoff Joints just three
and outs of the podcast of course in the volume
podcast network. Middle Coff, what are your thoughts on Justin
Tucker getting released yesterday?
Speaker 9 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean I think there are a couple of
teams or I mean, excuse me, a couple of positions
where when you just become a story, your margin perer
and your leashes zero. You know, teams will deal obviously
with quarterbacks and pass rushers and wide receivers, but the
special teams unit, whether you're one of the greatest kickers
of all time, like Justin Tucker, or whether you're just
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some random guy you just no one has any clue
whether this happened or not, beside the people that you
know Tucker and people accusing him. But this is not
The Ravens don't care. I mean, they just drafted in
the second round of guy who was accused in high
school and in college of sexual assault. This is simply
he's not any good anymore. And he had his lowest
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percentage that you know, it was hovering just a barely
over seventy percent, when this guy could eighty five percent
in his sleep in some years was well over ninety.
And obviously his leg he could kick game winners from
sixty plus. But last year you just see watching the
Ravens and it kind of became like that Venetary thing
at the end. I mean different Venitari didn't quite have
the leg of Justin Tucker, but he's just the guy
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was shot. And I don't know if this guy is shot,
but he's not as dominant he once was. And this
is like, yeah, we're not dealing with this. So I
think it's really just that simple.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
John Minakoff joins this year on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Any idea what Cleveland's doing at quarterback?
Speaker 9 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean I think the owner got involved because
you know, I think when you're drafting any position, you
can draft multiple d tackles, you can draft multiple wide receivers,
you can draft multiple guards, it doesn't matter. You can
just rotate them in. That's not the way quarterbacks work.
And I know these guys are antically analytically driven, but
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they My theory was pretty simple that they drafted, they
cut quote unquote overdrafted Dylan Gabriel because Schador was falling
and the owner's covern behind him in the draft room
hopefully just shut him up. And then he just kept falling.
And then the owner forced it because it makes no
football sense to do this. And I think it's pretty clear.
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You know, this is an owner and an executive team
slash coach, two separate players. We thought this a long
time ago. It's been well reported. The Shanahan family did
not want RG three. He wasn't their type quarterback. They
Now you could argue they were a little wrong because
probably still he got injured. He was pretty dynamics, but
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they wanted more of their type guy, and why they
took Cousins, and it was the owner force them take
RG three. They took Cousins. And I think this is
different because on the game or one of these guys
start three. But I think it's somewhat similar. You have
two different fractions, and let's face and the owner.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Gets what he wants, right, the only gets what he wants.
Does that mean Dan Gabriel has no shot?
Speaker 9 (24:11):
Well, that's the thing. I mean, unless Jimmy has I'm
going to ask for the practice plan every day during
training camp because this is you know, it happen between
coaches and gms a lot. Like you know, in your program,
you're the GM and the coach, so you get you
kind of as most coaches are, right, but in the pros,
you know, sometimes gms have a little more chew so
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they can pick players and maybe the coach doesn't want
but then practice starts. It's not like the coach or
the GMS are setting the practice schedule. It's the same
thing here, so you know, listen, they can manipulate it
any way they want, especially in preseason games. So it's
gonna be a weird spot for Dylan Gabriel, But I
would imagine he's going to get more reps early on
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just because he was a higher pick.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
One one would think it okay, you get drafted, your
thought of as the best you know outside linebacker in
the draft, and you ask for Lawrence Taylor's number. What
was your reaction?
Speaker 9 (25:14):
I you know, in a weird way. I understand if
you're of a certain age you see this it is insanity,
but it'd be allowed to say the same thing, like
I get drafted by the Bulls. I want Michael Jordan's number,
which seems crazy, but a kid drafted, you know, in
a couple of months in the NBA was born well
after Michael Jordan played his last NBA game. And for
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Lawrence Taylor, I mean when was his last NFL game?
Ninety three, ninety four. I'm pretty sure a Duel Carter
was drafted in the two thousands. So if you had
watched this guy play, like, would he have done this
if it was the equivalent of you know some you know,
Aaron Donald on the Red you know a player like
that you had clearly watched. Maybe not, but I give
(25:57):
a little more leeway. I think sometimes we forget the
age gap. I mean, what Lawrence Taylor early sixties, I mean,
this gets twenty. So he has no clue. Now he's
gonna I'm sure Brian Dable and those guys are going
to show him. But I don't think he quite understands,
you know, what he asked for, which I kind of
understand given his age.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Okay, we've had a couple weeks of process. Now now
that you have what do you really like? What do
you really like in terms of what somebody's doing in
building with the draft and with free agency, you.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Could go Actually, yeah, I was at I was at
a party last night and I was talking to a
big Titans fan, and I said, you know, of all
the teams that had different needs, and obviously most teams do,
it's hard to fathom how poor and bad the quarterback
play was in Tennessee. I mean, it couldn't have been
much worse, especially early in the season. Their defense was good,
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but you get to a point when your offense sucks
in football where the defense just eventually tied kind of
paps out. So the second half of the season, Like,
I give him a little bit of a break if
cam Ward is just a functional player, let alone, like
you know, a talented young We've seen some of these
guys recently in the draft, like they can make a
big difference. All of a sudden, Tennessee could be like competitive.
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Now I'm not saying like win the division or a
playoff team, but all of a sudden, you look like
could they hover around five hundred? So I think that
individual has the chance to make the biggest impact. Given
the guy he's replaced. It who I just couldn't have
been much worse in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Does Aaron Rodgers play for the Steelers?
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Yeah, I mean if Cree was kind of inevitable at
this point, I mean, they didn't take quarterback high that
they would use. I think, I guess because will Howard Lake.
But I think the owner rap Sheet had said on
television that he has said on local radio that all
signs point I don't quite know what to hold up is.
I mean, at this point in time he said personal
(28:02):
reasons of months ago, but they said the Kentucky Derby.
I mean, if I'm the Steelers, like we'd kind of
like you at Ota just just a couple of days
a week. That's where the practices. I don't know, get
to know your teammates. I mean, if we're gonna dance,
let's dance. So my guess is I would imagine the
Steelers have practiced next week. Maybe maybe we get some
(28:24):
clarity on this over the next I don't know, six
seven days.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That seems like that seems like a pretty decent timeline,
pretty pretty decent timeline. Jim Harbaugh said he woke up
and and realized he had to get Justin Herbert into
the Hall of Fame. I just woke up. I mean
I stuck. Some of it's performative, some of it is
that's who Harbaugh is. How that land on you when
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you heard him say that?
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Yeah, I mean I you and me. We followed Jeff's
career for a long time. I mean he makes statements
wherever he goes that are I don't even want to
stay outlandish, because I do think Justin Herbert can be
a Hall of Famer, but just a little hyperbolic at
the moment he says them. I was thinking after he
said it, like, let's say they just drafted hall of
(29:14):
famer in All last year. They already have a guy
at left tackle who's damn good, so they got two
sweet tackles. I think Harbaugh is a pretty good resume
of understanding who's good and who's not at running back,
and so with Ortiz in Baltimore who's now his GM,
and with Chargers, if those two guys are cornerstone players
with their star quarterback, and we know Harbaugh's defenses because
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of the offense he runs, are just always going to
be good. I mean it's just the way they are
physical team. That's how you who you practice against. Your
defense to me gets better when you practice against that
old school offense, Like, I think they could be a
massive problem in the next couple of years. And if
they hit on Hampton, he is in a couple of
years one of the better running backs in the NFL.
Because we know they're going to have a good offensive line.
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They signed who might have just resurrected his career at guard,
so you're you're gonna have some ability to road grade.
And this kid, I mean, he's a feast.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I know that.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
I'm sure he saw that picture. Now, granted the picture
was a little manipulated our ball, pretty big guy, but Hampton.
People in the NFL love this guy. I know, Jens
he got all the hype, but this guy, you know,
he's five eleven, he runs like a four to four.
I mean, he carried a team that was terrible, So
I'm pretty bold. I love that pick, especially the fit.
(30:30):
So I I don't know, man, I think they got
a chance this this upcoming year to really really challenge
the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Buyer's a little upset. I played Aaron Hills today and
he said, because of our friendship and because he's more
of the golf guy obviously than I have, I should
have given him the heads up, not come on to
the show and said, hey, by the way I played.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Aaron, that's not that even shows our disconnect even more
like I go to Aaron Hills, I know people at
an Hills. That's where the problem is. It's not that
you know, it's not that you got to go today,
it's just there's there's there's not like a heads up.
That's that's the problem. John. It's nothing that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Given him a heads up.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
Well, first, would you shoot?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Honestly, I didn't care. It was bad.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I was.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I mean, I haven't played I literally hadn't played golf
since basketball season started. I was awful. I had a
I did have a birdie on the hardest hole in
the course, by the way, just by the way you are.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
Yeah, I mean I think sometimes you get it. You know.
I don't know this a long plan thing or just
a late call.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It was. It was. I have a dear friend, Rolly Lahey,
who runs the corporate side for the U. S g A,
And she had me down here last time, and they
had some of the media out here before, and so
she had said, hey, you can you can do your show,
you can have it a foursome and honestly, I had forgotten.
(32:02):
I had I had the dates lined up right before
the open and she texted me, I don't know it's
Thursday or Friday, like, hey, are you guys still good
for eight am on Tuesday. I'm like, oh, so, I
got a cut my buddies and we came down here.
We played. It was great, but I didn't give Dan
a heads up, and he's not very happy with me.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
You know what. You know what I was thinking last night,
and you're a good guy. Asked us watch the Oki
sh just I mean, I don't know. He's like one
of the greatest athletes I've ever watched in my entire
life of any sport. What he would have looked like
in like the heyday, like when I was a kid
and you were younger in the nineties, with all those
good centers and so many of them are good plays,
What would his numbers have been in like the peak
(32:44):
of you know, the Kem Bay Alonzo patches, viewing Shack,
all those type bods, David Robinson. I mean, the league
is so small now.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I don't think. Yeah, I actually think in many ways
he might have been as more effective. He's he's the
bonus he's like Sabonis without the without the Achilles injuries.
You know, he's just so clever as the passer.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
Yeah, I think I remember now, I'm the guy I
probably watched had already been injured, couldn't really move that.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, right because he had Sabonis before he tore his
achilles ten and was supposed to be incredible. Uh, Johnny,
we got to go. You're the best three ounce of
the podcast you get on the On the Volume podcast network.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's get
to damn buyer with the game.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
All right, Doug, the game today is rank them, Doug,
rank the most impressive game one upsets that we've seen
in the Conference Semis in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Uh okay, most impressive game one upsets.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Road has won all three games so far.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, so you got yet the two from last night, right,
and then you have the the Pacers won the night before,
correct one twelve. Now, the only thing about the Calves
was Darius Garland, Uh didn't play right and.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
He may not play tonight. These question was DeAndre Hunter
and Mobile t Inentry.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So I'm gonna say Celtics come back from twenty is
number one. I will say the Knicks. Yeah, sorry, the
Knicks next. So let's working backwards. Denver win is number three.
Cleveland's loss, so India's win is number two, and the
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Knicks win is number one. The Knicks wins number one
because Celtics are the best team, best record, defending champs,
and they were up twenty and they had all the
players all right.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Moving on to more conference semi final talk in the NBA,
what are your favorite series? One's gonna be left out.
I just want top three. But of the four, what
three do you like the most?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's a great question. That's a great question. Denver okse
is that's probably three. Golden State, Minnesota two and Nick
Celtics won, and the Nick Celtics one. And again, I'm
(35:48):
just gonna I don't make these decisions. I don't know
who makes the decision. For the Nicks. Don't wear any
other uniforms other than your traditional uniforms in this series.
Either team it's the Knicks and the Celtics. Hey, we're
white at home, we're green on the road. Or wear
white at home and we're blue on the road. And
that's it. It's the Nixon Celtics. If you're one of
if you're the Timberwolves, wear whatever, like wear speedos. Nobody cares.
(36:12):
There's no historic references there, although I love their kind
of the old old Timberwolves jerseys that they do wear sometimes.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I know Oklahoma City where they're like state uniforms for Oklahoma. Yeah,
last night, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
They'll they'll probably never wear those in the place. I
do even like that they had the black shirts last
thank Yeah. Yeah, I didn't like that. That's very Unoklahoma City.
Like it's usually always white shirts or orange shirts or
even yellow shirts. Right, So yeah, I didn't. It made
the arena seem very dark.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Doug rank your top three modern era New York giants.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Modern era in New York.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Yes, I didn't want to include like Frank Gifford and
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, Ken Lawrence Taylor is that modern?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yes, yes, that's modern Super Bowl era?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Uh. I mean Phil Simmons is like a friend and mentor,
so he's got to be on the list. I'll put
him at three. I will put Eli Manning it. I
like Blacks too. I'm gonna go Eli Manning it too.
And then I'm gonna go Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
What all right? And that's the Phil McConkie, Joe Morris,
Michael Strahan, Michael Carson, Carl Banks, none of them making
the list.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, it was pretty good franchise in.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
This Odell Beckham Jr. Junior. That's game time here.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
A right coming next to the Dug Out the Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. How did the Knicks count
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Searching app as call Oh What Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Coming to you from actually from Aaron Hills.
I I'm glad that I can't see Buyer on our
YouTube channel, on our digitals, on our digital feed, because
(00:37):
I could, just I could, I will be able to
sense his jealousy. Because if you played with me today,
my friends, did you know that I am not a golfer?
I the last time I played golf was actually here,
and it was last year, the day of our first practice, ironically,
and I look like a guy who hadn't swung a
(00:58):
golf club in however many months. Well, welcome in. This
is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
A good amount to talk about Justin Tucker getting released.
I'm always cautious with the words that you use. Maybe
we need to think about that he was waived is
a better word than released. Anyway, that's maybe a little
(01:19):
bit too deep. Let's instead get to last night's game.
Celtics at a twenty point lead, they lose at home,
Thunder have a lead late, they lose at home, and
we could get into why the Thunder fouled up three
early in the early with the with the clock remaining,
(01:41):
we get into what actually happened on the last play.
But I just think the easiest thing is this. Look,
I'm I'm fully aware of what my team's record was
at the end of our first year, and I could
go into the reasons and sometimes they could sound like
(02:01):
excuses or whatever, but I continue to believe. I don't believe.
I know that you have to teach players everything, and
the hardest thing to teach them how to do is
to win. And winning is different in different situations. And
you're like, well, that's you know, that's that, that's that
(02:22):
sounds like obvious talk, Like yeah, it is, But winning
a game like that, finding a way to finish, finding
a way to close, if you haven't done it before,
it's hard to just do it. It's hard to just
do it, and it doesn't mean that forever. The Oklahoma
(02:42):
City Thunder or Chet Holmgren is going to be a choker,
but he choked last night, and it's kind of obvious. Yeah,
maybe they shouldn't have fouled so early up three. Okay,
I again, we all we all fall back on the
hard and fast rules. Our last home game of the year,
(03:03):
under seven sects to go, which is generally the hard
and fast rule, we fouled up three points. The problem
is we're one of the worst rebounding teams in the country.
We were going against one of the best rebounding teams
in the country, and they were also a high volume,
low make three point shooting team. So we probably should
have just challenged a three point shot and not fouled
late in the game, especially because the guy we fouled.
(03:25):
You know, when we fouled, they only had one or
two three point shooters in the court. But I digress.
The point is this Chet Holmgren is I don't know
if he'll ever be as good as people wanted him
to be. I don't know if this is a Nick
Anderson type of moment. And if you don't remember Nick Anderson,
(03:45):
he was the star with the Orlando Magic. He missed
four consecutive free throws in Game one of their NBA
Finals series against the Houston Rockets. Back when Houston won
their first was that first or a second title? Second?
Second was back to back titles, right, and Nick Anderson
was never the same as a player. But the point
(04:07):
is that you gotta That's something you kind of can't teach.
They just gotta do, and eventually you do it enough,
you know how to get it done. And this is
why the old guys that foul so much and don't
move as well, why they become more effective in the
playoffs is because they don't miss two consecutive free throws.
(04:28):
They don't leave an Aaron Gordon and help when help
wasn't really needed on a Russell Westbrook drive, and he
killed them at both ends. But winning is the last
thing and the hardest thing to teach. And just because
you've won in the regular season is not like winning
in the postseason. That's a completely different animal. And it's
(04:52):
the old Rudy Tom Jonovitch. Never underestimate the heart of
a champion. Yeah, just I honestly think, never underestimate how
valuable it is when you've won that last game, when
you've won a seven game series, when you've won a
Western Conference Finals, when you've won an NBA Championship. When
you've done that, you're kind of playing with house money.
(05:15):
That's really what it is, kind of playing with house money.
Because we can criticize whatever Jamal Murray and which Jamal
Murray is the real Jamal Murray. We can criticize Nikolae
Jokic some at times for his defense, whatever, but you
can't be critical of the fact that or you can't
go back forever. They are actually champions. They have actually
(05:38):
done it, and we can be hopeful towards Shay Gildis Alexander,
we can be helpful towards chet Holmgren, but until they
do it, they still wear the badge of they've never
done it before, and when you haven't done it before.
Last year, they lose to the Dallas Mavericks, who on
paper would feel like an inferior team, but to beat him.
(06:00):
This year, they're down one game and none to the
Denver Nuggets. It doesn't mean they're going to lose the series.
And it happened right on the back of the Boston
Celtics and defending NBA champions losing at home to the
New York Dicks after being up twenty in the second half.
But until you've actually done it. Boston Celtics did it
(06:22):
last year. That's that benefit of the doubt. You're never
going to get the benefit of the doubt never. It's
a Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Rader. Here's
the thunderhead coach Mark Dagno explaining why they fouled up
early in the shaklack up three in the early in
(06:42):
the shock clock.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's usually our deal is to file up three and
to play that game. I thought we executed the files
pretty well, got the ball and bounds pretty well. It
didn't go our way tonight, but it's worked out well
for us in the past. We'll continue to look at it,
maybe learn from it. But I didn't think that's probably
lost the game.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Here's why his team lost.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You said that the filing situation on the stretch wasn't
why you lost.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
What would you boil it down to why you lost
this one?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean just overall execution on both ends of the floor.
I thought defensive execution, we had a lot of possessions
that we can clean up and learn from. The rebounding
we can definitely learn from they had a lot of offensive rebounds.
Then I'd give him a lot of second life and
then our execution down the stretch offensively.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, execution offensively down the stretch. Here's David Adelman, who's
the interim head coach now that was he named the
full time head coach of the of the Denver Nuggets.
On the impact of Aaron Gordon. Aaron's going to be
a hero again.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
But I'm also looking at fourteen rebounds, so I'm looking
at twenty two points. I'm looking at ball handling, responsibilities, leadership.
He is a Denver nugget man like he is the
soul of our team. So cool to see him have
two moments sitting on and never forget.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Here's Aaron Gordon talking about his game winn He shot.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Great poise, great poise with this team between Jamal Murray,
Nicole of yo kids, you got Hall of Famer, Russell Westbrook,
you got CB was stepping into his own so a
lot of guys stepped up. But I think are poised
and uh, I believe that we were gonna win no
matter the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, because they've done it before, they
don't have any sort of fear. You're still playing with
house money, and you have the calmness of knowing you've
done before and thus you can do it again. Byron
didn't have my camera on initially when I said I
played at Aaron Hills today. I'm telling you, like the
USGA had us out today because you know the Women's
(08:45):
US Open is here in twenty two days. When I
say it was like a great day for golf, Like
the rough is not the it is not that high.
You know they're gonna let it grow here these next
three weeks, and it is was like seventy two by
the seventy two seventy five and breezy, so you get
just enough of the wind but not so much that
(09:05):
you're like you have to be really really good.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It's just a good barometer test by the way of
like friendship and connection. Like Sam last week did not
tell us. That didn't tell me that he was out
on Friday, so it was a surprise, you like not
being like, hey man, I guess what I'm gonna be
at Aaron Hills on Tuesday, Like you doing it after
the fact, like is a good barometer of like where
we stand. Like I feel like Jason would tell me,
(09:31):
I just like you and Sam are just like after
the fact, people of like, oh, yeah, I'm not in
on Friday, I feel like, hey, guys, guess what I'm
not going to be in on this day or I'm
going to be doing on this on that day. I
feel it's it's a barometer, and so's it feels it's
a little bit of a hit, Doug. To be honest
with you, that like I didn't. I didn't even get
the like obligatory heads up. The nation found out when
(09:54):
I found out, the world found out when I found.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Out, Wow, it's a fair critique. It is. It is.
It's it's not intended to be personal. It feels personal.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
It does.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Really.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I also thought on the thunder Nuggets, but I could not.
I could not stay away from making those comments.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I sincerely Puss you would have you honestly, this is
a day where I'm like, you would have loved.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
This after the fact, Yeah, that would have been great. No,
I'm for the record, For the record, it's my anniversary today,
So I would not have been even been able to
go if Doug said, you know what, why don't you
come home for a couple of days. Aren't you come
and you know, play some golf.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I knew that I touch lease, yes, yes, I didn't
want to put you in that situation. All right? Coming
up next to the Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Do you not want to hear my thunder Nuggets thoughts?
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, yeah, go, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Sorry, I just wanted to. I think that dag No
was my two cents completely off the mark. They fouled
way too early at ten seconds. The rule is usually
under ten seconds or whatever, under seven there you go
perfect to follow him in the backcourt and then to
make it a free throw shooting contest when you're the
ones in the lead. Nuggets had nothing to lose, thundered
everything to lose. I I think that they completely I
(11:03):
don't even chalk it up to youth. I think that
they just botched that scenario in that in that last fall,
that was the biggest difference in the game, when they
were able to uh go up three on the SGA
dunk and then let basically no time run off and
they were basically back where they were.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's it's actually for many people, it swung the other
way to where it's a you know, uh John Roth scene.
You know what is he? What does he does? These
three rules? He's a college basketball guy at at C's
college basketball.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
In sep right now, long sleep, But he'll have.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
These tweetseries like, you know, three things like never acknowledge
Godfather three, I forget what.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Yeah, never yet, never eat pizza outside of the Eastern
time zone. That's one of them.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They always foul up three, and I'm just telling you,
I lived it. You don't always foul up three, okay.
And there's a specific timing element of I would say
in the NBA is probably less than seven seconds because
of you know, advancing the basketball, how long it actually takes,
all these other things. But yeah, ten seconds. I've never
(12:12):
heard under ten. I've always heard under seven. Brad Stevens
is the first one to verbalize it that I ever
heard of, and he said, under seven. That's what I've
kind of lived by. We fouled with six point eight,
still lost this year.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I also this is minor, but I have a real
problem with guys chucking up three quarter court shots. I
would rather be late, but get my shot off at
half court, like, at least take the chance that I
have a better chance of making a half court shot.
So when Tyre's Halliburton had his bucket against the Bucks
in Game five, Giannis just threw it into Gary Trent in.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
The back, throwing it down the court. Yeah to portus, Yeah,
we're just down there.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
One point three seconds left, like you're not gonna make it.
Last night the Thunder no timeouts, but they had two
point eight seconds. Yeah, they panicked and Williams just got
the inbound and chucked one up, and you're like.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's really interesting. Now, look our guys panicked. We practiced
since last summer, we practiced between three and seven seconds,
what we do three and under seconds, what we do
seven seconds and over what we do, like, practice it
all the time. And with four seconds to go in
that same Oakland game, they we just threw it and
dribbled up to court and shot probably a logo three.
(13:21):
Wasn't a terrible shot, but what was the point of
practicing what we wanted to do Otherwise? Anyway, I agree
with you like it is it is, But it's also
because NBA teams usually have an extra timeout, so they
usually advance the basketball and they're prepared for it. And
(13:42):
then in the rare cases and there's two games that
they each team did not have timeouts. I thought the
inbounder panicked and threw it to kind of the the
closest guy, and you end up taking a seventy five
foot shot, which is you know you're gonna make five
percent or less of the time, whereas at mid court
you're probably percentages in the twenty percent more steps.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah, Nuggets are the thunder used two of their timeouts
at twelve seconds and at ten seconds so and which
then goes back to the strategy dog of them fouling immediately,
which forced them to use two timeouts in two seconds
of game time. Deegnew can say like we just yahd
with some other things. No, they completely botched the ending
of the game and it's on them.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
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Speaker 8 (14:51):
Second free throw home gird lifted again, rebound down to
Christian Brown. You got a hurry eight seven seconds front
court over to Westbrook Cliffs Gordon.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
For the win.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Yeah, two point eight seconds left coming back the other way.
Williams from half court taked it no good at the horn,
and the Denver Nuggets shocked the Oklahoma City Thunder in
Game number one final tonight, one twenty.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
One to one ninety.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
That was on the Altitude Radio Network. What to come back?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
What a win?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Some interesting happened yesterday, I think Dan it happened during
the show when Justin Tucker was released.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
No, it happened right when the show ended, five o'clock
Eastern time. Yeah, news came down.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, but weird. Obviously, Usually if it's if you're gonna
release somebody five o'clock eastern, you want to do it.
You want to do it on a news drop Friday,
like a what is it? What is it called news
dump Friday? Right? A news do one Friday is usually
(16:02):
on a holiday weekend. You do it It's an old
political tactic right where you make an announcement at after
four o'clock, So anybody whose print journalism has already submitted
all their stuff. Everybody's gone, and by the time Tuesday
comes around people are back at work. The story has
been buried five times over. It's essentially what they did,
(16:23):
only it was it was on a Monday. Here's the
post from Eric DaCosta, who's the executive vice president general manager.
Sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult, and this one this
is one of those instances. Considering our current roster, we've
made the tough decision to release Justin Tucker. Justin created
many significant and unforgiveavable moments in Raven's history. He is reliable.
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His reliability, focus, drive, resilience and extraordinary talent made him
one of the league's best kickers for over a decade.
We are grateful of Justin's many contributions while playing for
the Ravens. We sincerely wish him and his family the
very best in the next chapter of their lives. I've
been told that's tone deaf. If that's tone deaf, I
don't know what tone you're looking for. Right There is
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nothing about Uh, there's nothing in there. But he's an
amazing human being, an amazing husband. They didn't go like
over the top of it. They just kept it in football.
Hey man, the hell of a player. He made great
football plays. We're choosing to make this because of football. That's,
by the way, how you're supposed to do it. Don't
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make it about anything. It's just make it about football.
And he had a rough year, considering he's one of
the all time great kickers. And now we're gonna move on. Done,
we wash our hands of it. I guess my question
and I'll tell you what I think the answer is,
and then you guys tell me if you agree or disagree.
That that fair.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think that that's fair for you. Here's what I think.
I don't think there's more coming out. Might there be
another massage therapist? Maybe? I don't think that does additional damage,
And I reserve the right to be wrong. I just
think this was the smartest, easiest way to do it,
in a non confrontational way, because they couldn't have on
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the football team anymore. Because I know there's some speculation, Well,
they wouldn't doing this unless there was more coming out.
Does there have to be like, I think we've had enough.
Clearly it was his thing, whether the women were coerced
to doing it, whether it was a normal thing and
they knew. I don't know, and I don't know if
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every one of them is telling the exact truth. And
I don't actually care. Sixteen women feels like a lot.
You got Tony Buzzbeat again, where he finds somebody and
then he finds somebody. Hey, there's a pattern for me.
I'm gonna find that pattern, and I'm gonna make whoever
this guy is suffer. That's what happened with de Shaun Watson.
That's what's happening here. But it's I'm of the opinion
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that this is just like, hey, look, your production has
to be better than your problems, and these are big problems,
and your production wasn't great, and so we're going to
move on. You buy that, buy er. Do you think
there's more coming out?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
No, I don't think that there's more coming out. In
a way, I think that the Ravens were a little
damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he
just writes we're releasing justin Tucker, I think speculation then
maybe goes that way that they think more is coming out.
Maybe there's I just don't know which right way to
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put it. I would say it did feel like they
were leaning towards making Tucker feel better instead of maybe
towing the center line of it. That I think is
what people expected, unless other people expect them them to
go completely other way. But has denied all of these allegations,
and so, I yeah, I think that they that he
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was in a tough spot. I do think that they
they with the sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult. I
think that is leaning towards Tucker a little bit. But
I think he would have been criticized no matter what
statement they would have released.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I mean, it was they made it into a football decision.
And oh yeah, by the way, these are all allegations. Now, Okay,
it doesn't look good. I mean, none of us are
saying it looks. It looks good. But until there's there
has been no civil trial, there's been no settlements, there's
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no criminal trial even on the docket, so these are
merely allegations, right, correct. Okay, we can all have our
opinion on if it happened or didn't happen or whatever,
but they all are at this point allegations. And so
if you're being critical of the uh of the Baltimore Ravens, remember,
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like I understand it was, who is the kicker in Buffalo,
Let's bring in John Middlecoff, John Midlecoff Joints just three
and outs of the podcast of course in the volume
podcast network. Middle Coff, what are your thoughts on Justin
Tucker getting released yesterday?
Speaker 9 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean I think there are a couple of
teams or I mean, excuse me, a couple of positions
where when you just become a story, your margin perer
and your leashes zero. You know, teams will deal obviously
with quarterbacks and pass rushers and wide receivers, but the
special teams unit, whether you're one of the greatest kickers
of all time, like Justin Tucker, or whether you're just
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some random guy you just no one has any clue
whether this happened or not, beside the people that you
know Tucker and people accusing him. But this is not
The Ravens don't care. I mean, they just drafted in
the second round of guy who was accused in high
school and in college of sexual assault. This is simply
he's not any good anymore. And he had his lowest
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percentage that you know, it was hovering just a barely
over seventy percent, when this guy could eighty five percent
in his sleep in some years was well over ninety.
And obviously his leg he could kick game winners from
sixty plus. But last year you just see watching the
Ravens and it kind of became like that Venetary thing
at the end. I mean different Venitari didn't quite have
the leg of Justin Tucker, but he's just the guy
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was shot. And I don't know if this guy is shot,
but he's not as dominant he once was. And this
is like, yeah, we're not dealing with this. So I
think it's really just that simple.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
John Minakoff joins this year on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Any idea what Cleveland's doing at quarterback?
Speaker 9 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean I think the owner got involved because
you know, I think when you're drafting any position, you
can draft multiple d tackles, you can draft multiple wide receivers,
you can draft multiple guards, it doesn't matter. You can
just rotate them in. That's not the way quarterbacks work.
And I know these guys are antically analytically driven, but
(23:08):
they My theory was pretty simple that they drafted, they
cut quote unquote overdrafted Dylan Gabriel because Schador was falling
and the owner's covern behind him in the draft room
hopefully just shut him up. And then he just kept falling.
And then the owner forced it because it makes no
football sense to do this. And I think it's pretty clear.
(23:29):
You know, this is an owner and an executive team
slash coach, two separate players. We thought this a long
time ago. It's been well reported. The Shanahan family did
not want RG three. He wasn't their type quarterback. They
Now you could argue they were a little wrong because
probably still he got injured. He was pretty dynamics, but
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they wanted more of their type guy, and why they
took Cousins, and it was the owner force them take
RG three. They took Cousins. And I think this is
different because on the game or one of these guys
start three. But I think it's somewhat similar. You have
two different fractions, and let's face and the owner.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Gets what he wants, right, the only gets what he wants.
Does that mean Dan Gabriel has no shot?
Speaker 9 (24:11):
Well, that's the thing. I mean, unless Jimmy has I'm
going to ask for the practice plan every day during
training camp because this is you know, it happen between
coaches and gms a lot. Like you know, in your program,
you're the GM and the coach, so you get you
kind of as most coaches are, right, but in the pros,
you know, sometimes gms have a little more chew so
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they can pick players and maybe the coach doesn't want
but then practice starts. It's not like the coach or
the GMS are setting the practice schedule. It's the same
thing here, so you know, listen, they can manipulate it
any way they want, especially in preseason games. So it's
gonna be a weird spot for Dylan Gabriel, But I
would imagine he's going to get more reps early on
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just because he was a higher pick.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
One one would think it okay, you get drafted, your
thought of as the best you know outside linebacker in
the draft, and you ask for Lawrence Taylor's number. What
was your reaction?
Speaker 9 (25:14):
I you know, in a weird way. I understand if
you're of a certain age you see this it is insanity,
but it'd be allowed to say the same thing, like
I get drafted by the Bulls. I want Michael Jordan's number,
which seems crazy, but a kid drafted, you know, in
a couple of months in the NBA was born well
after Michael Jordan played his last NBA game. And for
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Lawrence Taylor, I mean when was his last NFL game?
Ninety three, ninety four. I'm pretty sure a Duel Carter
was drafted in the two thousands. So if you had
watched this guy play, like, would he have done this
if it was the equivalent of you know some you know,
Aaron Donald on the Red you know a player like
that you had clearly watched. Maybe not, but I give
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a little more leeway. I think sometimes we forget the
age gap. I mean, what Lawrence Taylor early sixties, I mean,
this gets twenty. So he has no clue. Now he's
gonna I'm sure Brian Dable and those guys are going
to show him. But I don't think he quite understands,
you know, what he asked for, which I kind of
understand given his age.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Okay, we've had a couple weeks of process. Now now
that you have what do you really like? What do
you really like in terms of what somebody's doing in
building with the draft and with free agency, you.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Could go Actually, yeah, I was at I was at
a party last night and I was talking to a
big Titans fan, and I said, you know, of all
the teams that had different needs, and obviously most teams do,
it's hard to fathom how poor and bad the quarterback
play was in Tennessee. I mean, it couldn't have been
much worse, especially early in the season. Their defense was good,
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but you get to a point when your offense sucks
in football where the defense just eventually tied kind of
paps out. So the second half of the season, Like,
I give him a little bit of a break if
cam Ward is just a functional player, let alone, like
you know, a talented young We've seen some of these
guys recently in the draft, like they can make a
big difference. All of a sudden, Tennessee could be like competitive.
(27:19):
Now I'm not saying like win the division or a
playoff team, but all of a sudden, you look like
could they hover around five hundred? So I think that
individual has the chance to make the biggest impact. Given
the guy he's replaced. It who I just couldn't have
been much worse in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Does Aaron Rodgers play for the Steelers?
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Yeah, I mean if Cree was kind of inevitable at
this point, I mean, they didn't take quarterback high that
they would use. I think, I guess because will Howard Lake.
But I think the owner rap Sheet had said on
television that he has said on local radio that all
signs point I don't quite know what to hold up is.
I mean, at this point in time he said personal
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reasons of months ago, but they said the Kentucky Derby.
I mean, if I'm the Steelers, like we'd kind of
like you at Ota just just a couple of days
a week. That's where the practices. I don't know, get
to know your teammates. I mean, if we're gonna dance,
let's dance. So my guess is I would imagine the
Steelers have practiced next week. Maybe maybe we get some
(28:24):
clarity on this over the next I don't know, six
seven days.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That seems like that seems like a pretty decent timeline,
pretty pretty decent timeline. Jim Harbaugh said he woke up
and and realized he had to get Justin Herbert into
the Hall of Fame. I just woke up. I mean
I stuck. Some of it's performative, some of it is
that's who Harbaugh is. How that land on you when
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you heard him say that?
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Yeah, I mean I you and me. We followed Jeff's
career for a long time. I mean he makes statements
wherever he goes that are I don't even want to
stay outlandish, because I do think Justin Herbert can be
a Hall of Famer, but just a little hyperbolic at
the moment he says them. I was thinking after he
said it, like, let's say they just drafted hall of
(29:14):
famer in All last year. They already have a guy
at left tackle who's damn good, so they got two
sweet tackles. I think Harbaugh is a pretty good resume
of understanding who's good and who's not at running back,
and so with Ortiz in Baltimore who's now his GM,
and with Chargers, if those two guys are cornerstone players
with their star quarterback, and we know Harbaugh's defenses because
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of the offense he runs, are just always going to
be good. I mean it's just the way they are
physical team. That's how you who you practice against. Your
defense to me gets better when you practice against that
old school offense, Like, I think they could be a
massive problem in the next couple of years. And if
they hit on Hampton, he is in a couple of
years one of the better running backs in the NFL.
Because we know they're going to have a good offensive line.
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They signed who might have just resurrected his career at guard,
so you're you're gonna have some ability to road grade.
And this kid, I mean, he's a feast.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I know that.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
I'm sure he saw that picture. Now, granted the picture
was a little manipulated our ball, pretty big guy, but Hampton.
People in the NFL love this guy. I know, Jens
he got all the hype, but this guy, you know,
he's five eleven, he runs like a four to four.
I mean, he carried a team that was terrible, So
I'm pretty bold. I love that pick, especially the fit.
(30:30):
So I I don't know, man, I think they got
a chance this this upcoming year to really really challenge
the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Buyer's a little upset. I played Aaron Hills today and
he said, because of our friendship and because he's more
of the golf guy obviously than I have, I should
have given him the heads up, not come on to
the show and said, hey, by the way I played.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Aaron, that's not that even shows our disconnect even more
like I go to Aaron Hills, I know people at
an Hills. That's where the problem is. It's not that
you know, it's not that you got to go today,
it's just there's there's there's not like a heads up.
That's that's the problem. John. It's nothing that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Given him a heads up.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
Well, first, would you shoot?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Honestly, I didn't care. It was bad.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I was.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I mean, I haven't played I literally hadn't played golf
since basketball season started. I was awful. I had a
I did have a birdie on the hardest hole in
the course, by the way, just by the way you are.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
Yeah, I mean I think sometimes you get it. You know.
I don't know this a long plan thing or just
a late call.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It was. It was. I have a dear friend, Rolly Lahey,
who runs the corporate side for the U. S g A,
And she had me down here last time, and they
had some of the media out here before, and so
she had said, hey, you can you can do your show,
you can have it a foursome and honestly, I had forgotten.
(32:02):
I had I had the dates lined up right before
the open and she texted me, I don't know it's
Thursday or Friday, like, hey, are you guys still good
for eight am on Tuesday. I'm like, oh, so, I
got a cut my buddies and we came down here.
We played. It was great, but I didn't give Dan
a heads up, and he's not very happy with me.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
You know what. You know what I was thinking last night,
and you're a good guy. Asked us watch the Oki
sh just I mean, I don't know. He's like one
of the greatest athletes I've ever watched in my entire
life of any sport. What he would have looked like
in like the heyday, like when I was a kid
and you were younger in the nineties, with all those
good centers and so many of them are good plays,
What would his numbers have been in like the peak
(32:44):
of you know, the Kem Bay Alonzo patches, viewing Shack,
all those type bods, David Robinson. I mean, the league
is so small now.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I don't think. Yeah, I actually think in many ways
he might have been as more effective. He's he's the
bonus he's like Sabonis without the without the Achilles injuries.
You know, he's just so clever as the passer.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
Yeah, I think I remember now, I'm the guy I
probably watched had already been injured, couldn't really move that.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, right because he had Sabonis before he tore his
achilles ten and was supposed to be incredible. Uh, Johnny,
we got to go. You're the best three ounce of
the podcast you get on the On the Volume podcast network.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's get
to damn buyer with the game.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
All right, Doug, the game today is rank them, Doug,
rank the most impressive game one upsets that we've seen
in the Conference Semis in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Uh okay, most impressive game one upsets.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Road has won all three games so far.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, so you got yet the two from last night, right,
and then you have the the Pacers won the night before,
correct one twelve. Now, the only thing about the Calves
was Darius Garland, Uh didn't play right and.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
He may not play tonight. These question was DeAndre Hunter
and Mobile t Inentry.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So I'm gonna say Celtics come back from twenty is
number one. I will say the Knicks. Yeah, sorry, the
Knicks next. So let's working backwards. Denver win is number three.
Cleveland's loss, so India's win is number two, and the
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Knicks win is number one. The Knicks wins number one
because Celtics are the best team, best record, defending champs,
and they were up twenty and they had all the
players all right.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Moving on to more conference semi final talk in the NBA,
what are your favorite series? One's gonna be left out.
I just want top three. But of the four, what
three do you like the most?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's a great question. That's a great question. Denver okse
is that's probably three. Golden State, Minnesota two and Nick
Celtics won, and the Nick Celtics one. And again, I'm
(35:48):
just gonna I don't make these decisions. I don't know
who makes the decision. For the Nicks. Don't wear any
other uniforms other than your traditional uniforms in this series.
Either team it's the Knicks and the Celtics. Hey, we're
white at home, we're green on the road. Or wear
white at home and we're blue on the road. And
that's it. It's the Nixon Celtics. If you're one of
if you're the Timberwolves, wear whatever, like wear speedos. Nobody cares.
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There's no historic references there, although I love their kind
of the old old Timberwolves jerseys that they do wear sometimes.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I know Oklahoma City where they're like state uniforms for Oklahoma. Yeah,
last night, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
They'll they'll probably never wear those in the place. I
do even like that they had the black shirts last
thank Yeah. Yeah, I didn't like that. That's very Unoklahoma City.
Like it's usually always white shirts or orange shirts or
even yellow shirts. Right, So yeah, I didn't. It made
the arena seem very dark.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Doug rank your top three modern era New York giants.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Modern era in New York.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Yes, I didn't want to include like Frank Gifford and
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, Ken Lawrence Taylor is that modern?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yes, yes, that's modern Super Bowl era?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Uh. I mean Phil Simmons is like a friend and mentor,
so he's got to be on the list. I'll put
him at three. I will put Eli Manning it. I
like Blacks too. I'm gonna go Eli Manning it too.
And then I'm gonna go Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
What all right? And that's the Phil McConkie, Joe Morris,
Michael Strahan, Michael Carson, Carl Banks, none of them making
the list.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, it was pretty good franchise in.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
This Odell Beckham Jr. Junior. That's game time here.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
A right coming next to the Dug Out the Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. How did the Knicks count
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