December 3, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug reacts to Chris Paul being sent home by the Los Angeles Clippers and the news that Giannis Antetokounmpo might be leveraging his way out of Milwaukee soon. Doug welcomes FSR host and former NFL player Geoff Schwartz onto the show to break down the College Football Playoff. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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I got a couple of things I want to get to.
I want to get to the colle football rankings in
one second. I do want to talk about Chris Paul
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and how it's ending in the NBA with him. Isn't
it interesting on how how few of these stars when
they're done it ends well, Like even Peyton Manning who
won a Super Bowl. Remember very unhappy that mid season
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his last year, he was replaced and then he got
his job back at the start of the playoffs, and
the defense carried him because his arm was was shot
like that. That's literally what happens Brett Farvees last year.
Remember he had retired again, and then Chile sent three
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dudes down to Mississippi. He came back and he had
that he had that Nike had on that looked like
it had He've been on the tree actor for years
with that same hat on, remember that one. I mean,
you go through some of these guys. They they end
poorly more often than they end well. And man, Chris Paul,
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it's it's one thing to get cut in what appears
to be your last NBA gig. It's a whole thing
to get cut by the Clippers when he kind of
legitimized the Clippers in this era of Clipper basketball. He
was lob City. But it is in the old you
can't go home again. I give you, Chris Paul, you
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can't go home again. But I mean, think about it.
A guy who was he's gonna be a Hall of
Fame player. He was head of the players Association. He's
one of the He's one of, if not the most
premier true point guard we've had in years, like since
Jason Kidd. He's probably the best sure point guard. And
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yet he goes back to the team that he brought
legitimacy to and couldn't even make it to the midway
point of the season. Then you go with the Janis
and Tennekupo and the agent initiating talks about, Yeah, I
don't know if it's the best place for Yanis to be.
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Does anyone think there's any way in which Yannis stays
in Milwaukee? Because I do not. I do not. And
obviously the seed was planted early in the summer when
he said New York was a place that he would consider.
New York never stepped up. But once you start the
idea of trading away Yannis, it's really hard to ever
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get that relationship back. And then once Yanna says, hey,
maybe we should take a look at whether or not
this is the place long term, we know what that means, right,
we know what that means. That means he's gonna be moved.
Any doubt, dan Byer, any doubt in that I have,
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I personally without any sort of knowledge as to what
the discussions are. But when you hear that, you know
he's gonna be moved. Would you disagree with that in
any way?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
No? No, he should have been moved this past offseason.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean it was the perfect time to move him,
right Lilard Torre's Achilles. This run appears to be dead
and they tried to you know what happens is And again,
you can use this with Chris Paul. You can use
the analogy with Giannis. You can use it with that
anytime something appears to be done and then you're like, hey,
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let's just run it back one more time. I always
I love this analogy. Dan, you played basketball, so you
know pick up basketball on a Sunday morning. Picture your
local high school or uh, you know some people it's
a church where they have a gym before services or
after services. Every every dos no matter what time of
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day it is, there comes a point you're an hour
hour and a half in where the games start getting
a little yanky, and guys have things to do. You
gotta take your kid to school, or go to a
soccer game, or you gotta go and run an errand
and you lose one guy after the next, and pretty
soon you're like, hey, last game, you run it. It's
a decent game. It's over. And then you still have
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technically nine ten guys who want to play, and they
turn to you and go, hey man, you want to
one run one more And you're looking at these other
guys and it appears they all want to go and
do it one more time. It's like, all right, fine,
what happens that last game? Somebody always gets hurt, maybe
somebody catches an elbow and wants to fight. Something always
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goes bad when you extend it beyond it's it's actual
du date. And that's what's happened with Chris Paul. Like, hey,
his career really should have been over in Phoenix a
couple of years ago. That was that was the deal.
And for Giannis, to Dan's point, he's right. You know,
you tried to move some things around. You tried the
Lillard thing. That didn't work. Then Lillard tears is an Achilles
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ten and you're like, we're not this is not a
championship team. Well, we spend all this money on Doc,
we spent all this money these guys. Let's get as much,
you know, juice out of that orange as possible, like
that thing's already been squeezed, already been squeezed.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's funny too when you look at just on how
it's transpired. The team is five years removed from winning
their NBA title. It feels like it's ten years, to
be honest with you, like it just feels like it
was a long long time ago. But it's every step
like the next year they heck, even ESPN's putting it
on the screen right now. The next year they lost
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to Boston in a game seven in the Eastern Conference
semi finals. And then there's just been nothing since and
they have been caught in limbo. But also you've got
Giannis now, who's turning thirty one in a couple of days.
Now you wonder what is what is the package, Like
what could you actually get for him? He's broken down
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at the end of previous seasons over the last couple
of years. Sure, nothing is so now even the point
of I'm sure there may be one team, but again,
there was only one team that Yanis had interest in
going to this offseason, and that was the Knicks. So
now the value that you get back is just and
how much is that team gonna want to really believe
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that Jannis is a long term solution as opposed to
maybe just helping them bring a title to wherever this year.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, then the other part to Gianniss, he almost has
to be the center. Like the way he plays, He
has to be kind of the guy you go to
and then have everybody else have space around him. And
can you still is he still capable of doing that,
of playing that way, of dominating that same passion.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yes, A lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
A lot of questions, a lot of questions real quick.
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Treaties, Dan Byrum tug Gottlieb,
Jay Stew's Around of course. So as Iowa sam College
Fwall playoff rankings came out last night and basically here's
where it stands. Okay, the top doesn't truly matter Ohio
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State one, Indiana two, although they play this week. So
the question is if if when they lose, one of
them has to lose, right, how far do they fall?
How far do they fall? And then you have Georgia
who plays Alabama. Alabama's at nine, which you would think
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it protects them if they lose. You think they're going
to get in. Okay, but how far do they drop
if they if they lose to Georgia Texas Tech plays
this week against b Yu b YU would not they're
eleventh in the field. But when you're eleventh in the field,
if you beat Texas Tech, you're in. If you lose,
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you're probably out. Then you have Miami and Texas sitting
there waiting hoping, right, because you also have Duke playing
this weekend, they get in the college for a playoff
that they win this weekend, those would be bid steals. No, wait,
they don't get in.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I was I had to be brushed up on this too,
So Dan, if you could help me explain Duke. Basically,
because they're not ranked, they only give It's not even
technically an auto qualifier, like you still have to be
a high ranked conference champion in order to get into
the playoff, Dan, anything you want to clean up there.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So in terms of they would take the top five
conference champions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that Duke being
the ACC champion would be one of the top five.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
If Duke could win the ACC championship and be left
out of the playoff, and that actually, if they do
win it that's likely.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
What would happen, I think, you know, I believe, I
think they would manipulate the rankings in a certain way
to allow them to be in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, I mean again, the ones that are interesting are
BYU has got to win to be in, right, we
all believe that. I mean, it doesn't they can lose
by a point, we're not getting in with They got
to win to get in and so that has a
direct effect on everybody ranked above and below them. Alabama.
Alabama is probably the most interesting team this weekend. Right,
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they win, like that helps Oklahoma who beat them, Right,
and it obviously solidifies Alabama And how far does it
knock down Georgia? Well, how far does in the like
the whole thing is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Well, the big ones are Alabama and BYU. Because what
is set up in terms of BYU losing is the
metric that the committee keeps pointing to is that they
haven't been using the head to head of Notre Dame
in Miami because the teams haven't been next to each other.
So if BYU would lose, that would mean that Miami
then could move up a spot and would be next
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to Notre Dame, and that would allow the Hurricanes then
to flip spots with Notre Dame because they beat them
in the opening week of the season.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
M and then Texas doesn't get that same benefit of
doubt because they're not next to Texas.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
A and M.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Right, they're there behind.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yes, Texas needs a chance with this.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They need Alabama to lose. They need b Y you lose, right, Yes,
that's what they need to have happened for them to
have any sort of chance. Alabama has to lose. And
then and and if Georgia wins, they they beat george
they lose to Georgia. Wait, who hold on?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Who Texas lost to Georgia. They got lost to Georgia. Yeah,
they got crushed by Yeah, but Texas has good wins,
like that's the thing is they've.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But they also want Ohio State to win. It does
look better when if well, Hiwo States the number one
seed and they beat you in a close game, that
you want that to happen as well.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yes, And Sarkisian even said, and he's been on the
record the past couple of days of not playing high
profile games if they don't make it in they actually
host Ohio State next year. There was a comment made
yesterday on I believe on Sirius XM, where you talked
about not playing that game next year.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
There's zero Let me just tell you something right now. Okay,
working in an athletic department, I can tell you right
now there is no chance Texas gets out of that
game next year. None. That game is going to generate
so much revenue for the city of Austin and for
his all those tickets because you can charge whatever you
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want to get into DKR at the Darryl Royal Stadium. Okay,
there's no chance of getting out of it now. Will
they play the games in the future, Maybe not. Maybe
he gets out of it, but he ain't getting out
of that one. You get out of a future road game,
you're not getting out of a home.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Game ultimately as well, like when you're the see we're
sitting here arguing about a bunch of SEC schools as well.
And yes, if we focus on the bad losses, they
focus on the bad losses, the committee does. I'd rather
focus on the wins than the bad losses, but that's
how they try to split hairs. But it's also a
conference that, yeah, right now is at eight conference games.
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And if you played nine, maybe you would have more clarity.
Now that doesn't do what's best for the league, but
that may have done what's better for Texas or Alabama
in this situation.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
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But again, a lot of this we won't know until
the dust settles after the games this weekend.
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Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
So what happened on Sunday when Jerry Judy was explaining
something to Shador Sanders right, Lots of people assumed that
it was an older wide receiver chastising the young quarterback.
When the older wide receiver leads the league in drops.
Here's Jerry Judy, who is that wide receiver. He was
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compelled to tell reporters what what he did wrong during
the animated conversation with Shdor on the sidelines on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Thought I would have done different. I probably just home,
probably taught them off camera. No, that's probably what I
would have done different. Of Kahoma's people in mind and
tell me what and say what I need what I
see out there? You know it what it is football
and man just being sure, dog good. You know, it's
stuff like that happens. You know, y'all gonna make it
bigger than what it is, you know, because the media,
you know, and that's what you'll feed off of negativity,
(14:58):
I know, but it what it is. This is the
life you live, so you know, we move on from it.
And I live in real life, you know. So what
happened around and just locker room?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Just real now?
Speaker 6 (15:09):
What's going on on social media and everything? So you
and should dog good?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Everything good and we're great, he'll be I actually agree
with him in this sense. I know we all that
so many on social media want to jump on Jerry
Judy without hearing what he's talking about it doesn't matter.
You can be animated. Again, I've you can view it
however you want to view it how I view it.
Is Again, if it's two guys talk about what they saw,
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what they didn't see, what he thought happened, like, I
don't honestly care. But this is the problem with when
there's cameras everywhere and we don't have audio, and oh yeah,
by the way, you have lots of people who haven't
been on sidelines or aren't part of that sidelines. You
make assumptions and so many and social media are so
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overprotective of Shador Sanders, like he's a big boy. If
if a wide receiver is wrong for coming at him
for a mistake that he alleged to make, he can
handle or his coach can handle it, you aren't helping.
You're no better, no worse than a helicopter parent. So
I actually believe what Jerry Judy is saying, even if
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he didn't actually say what happened, but he's saying like, hey,
look man, I'm just telling him what I saw. Jeff
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to kick off on Fox Sports. Trade of the iHeartRadio
represented by Bett MGM. Jerry Judy is like, hey man,
I would have said what I said just off camera,
and he said the media wants to make everything negative.
I actually agree with him here because I don't know
what was being said. I don't know who else could
have known what was being said. But you played in
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the league. I didn't your thoughts on Jerry Judy and
Shade or Sanders animated conversation on the sideline.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
It's an emotional game, and we yell at each other
every now and then, Like I don't like you yell
at coaches. Coaches yell at you. I've I've been cussed
out by Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin and we've said
words back to them, and I mean, they just yell
at each other like it's an emotional game. He played
for three hours. It's a physical game. You just yell
at each other. Like I I take nothing more than
than what it was. Judy was upset, he was open,
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you know on in that first window, on that play
where he was overthrown. He wants to win. I would
imagine he wants to make a play, he wants a
team to be good, and he's just voicing his opinion.
I'm glad he said. He would still have that conversation
if the cameras weren't there. And that's the unfortunate part
about a lot of this is your cameras are on
your face, and guys might not feel as comfortable to
share how they feel. But I have no problem with it.
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That's what happens during the game. You get you get heated,
and you yell each other every now and then.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I I agree with you. I yelled at you actually
while you're on hold. You didn't even know it. I'm
it's funny, Like no, it's a real thing. Like if
I've been miked up before, and you know, for our games,
a lot of times I'm miked up, and then I
a lot of times the camera guy after was like, hey,
when our coaches were in an animated discussion, to catch that,
like we're gonna cut that out. Right, Yeah, like even coaches,
like you're in the middle of a game and sometimes
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you can be snippy with each other and it, you know,
you catch the wrong moment, it can look the wrong way.
Jeff Schwartz is joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. How good do you think
shod Or Sanders actually is.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
I think the problems are starting to show. They had
a call at Colorado, and they're fixable. He just has
to fix them, right, He's he needs to be more
in rhythm now. Of course, you would hope that with
more practice and and some more time, you know, game
reps and whatnot, that that rhythm will come. But that's
what's holding him back now, I think is in you
watch them play, it's just not very it's not on
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you know, on time and and and where it's supposed
to be. You know, when the ball is supposed to Yeah,
that's a big part of playing the position.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
You might you might know where the ball is going,
but if you don't throw it on time, so everyone
is hurt. And you know that that time to throw
number is very, very slow, and you cannot operate playing
that slow at that position. The ball's got to be
gone as well as possible. So if you can keep
improving there, I think he's got a chance. The thing
I thought about Sanders, even if he was drafted twentieth overall,
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these are things he had to work on from college.
And the one thing that's very difficult we're finding with
more data now is if you can sacked a lot
in college, you kind of get sacked a lot in
the NFL like that. Just sort of it's it's hard
to break that habit, and Kayleb Williams is doing a
good job of it this year breaking that habit. He
was sacked a ton at USC and he's sort of
breaking that this year. So you certainly can't do it,
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but it does take a while. So I think for Sanders,
just sort of continuing to just learn to play more
on rhythm, I think is the biggest improvement he can
make right now.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Jeff Schwartz
is our guest. Okay Bears Bears this weekend before they
play the Packers. Are you a believer into the legitimacy
of the Bears?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Legitimate like they're gonna win the NFC or just sort
of they've gotten better.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, I mean, they clearly got better. I don't think
anybody can argue that. But right now they're the number
one scene. Yeah, okay, what like again, do you think
of them at the level of the rest of the
teams that are likely to make the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
I don't, But I'll tell you what I really do
like about what I'm seeing from Chicago. So when you
have a new coach, even new coordinators, new quarterback, and
they have all of those all at once in Chicago,
it takes about eight to twelve weeks so the regular
season to start really noticing good or bad, whether the
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coordinator is gonna work. The flip side of this might
be what we're seeing Philly right now, or the offense
just has just come to a complete grinding halt about
the same time as the Bears offense is taking off.
And that's what I see. What I see is is
that ever Ben Johnson's coaching, whatever they're doing in that building,
it's working, and we're seeing that happen. I know Eagles
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have their problems, but that was a very validating winner
right now because they did it physically right. They physically
beat a team that we don't see get physically beat
the line of scrimmage very very often. And so I
think what is happening in Chicago is that whatever Ben
Johnson's coaching, he's preaching, he's teaching, and that includes his staff.
By the way, it's really paying off because you're seeing
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that that success and we're seeing sort of every quarter
of the season. We're now basically in the quarter four
that Kayleb Williams is getting better and you want to
you want him playing better in every quarter obviously, because
I think individual games hard to evaluate just bad game,
good game. It's more just like over four games, right,
how's he playing? And so I think you gotta be
really excited right now if you're a Bears fan about
the future of the team. It's not good enough to
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win a championship this year, probably not good enough to
make an answer championship game, but the future is pretty bright.
I mean, this is exactly where you would like to
be this time of year with a brand new coach.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
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and lean you all the way up to kickoff. All right,
let's get to the college twall rankings. Indiana at two,
Ohio State at one. Like, let's let's start, and you
got Oregon, you're an organ duck alum. They're all in
the top five. And then there's nobody else right in
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the Big Ten that that's in the mix there. What's
your best guess on what happens in the Big Ten
championship game? That doesn't mean much, but it does mean
who will be the number one overall seed.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
I think Ohio State wins. I think they're better than Indiana.
I don't think they're as good as you know last year,
right that the result we saw last season, But I
do think that they're better and I think that that there. Defensively,
we saw Indiana play the two best defense they played
this year. They discord thirty against Oregon, but Mendoza only
threw for two fifteen in that game. A couple turnovers
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late added to that, and he gave up seven points
obviously to Oregon with a pick six. And then we
still play in Iowa, and Iowa was a really tough
for them. They needed a late touchdown to get over
two in yards passing, and I think that. You know,
if that's I don't think they can win this game
going for two hundred yards. They're gonna have to do
a little more than that. Now, I'm really excited to
see what has his offensive Indiana's defense. Indiana, I'll tell
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you what, men, they they're a fascinating team, Doug, because
they don't do what I would consider like a lot
like what they do offensively inside zone RPO throughout to
the numbers. Defensively a ton of zone might be the
most zone in the country, and then they run these
zone pressures and it's they do it so well, so crisp.
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They're so well coached, they don't make mistakes, they don't
have mental errors. That's really hard to beat them over
sixty minutes. When you play a team that's not as good,
you're just not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Now.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Ohio State is good enough right to sort of play
that solid game with them for that long. So I
think Ohio State wins. I think it's a really low
scoring game, and I do believe that both will still
have a buy after this weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
The simplicity in execution. Okay, so what happens to the
rest of the bracket, Like Alabama. Let's say they lose
to Georgia. They lose to Georgia. Now they have three losses,
three losses. What what happens again? Let's say let's say
b YU loses to Texas Tech. Okay, so they likely
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fall out, right, Buses they're out, Okay. Notre Dame doesn't play,
so they would be in. Miami doesn't play, right, they
would be in Okay, and then you have Texas, would
have three loss three losses? Okay, does it become Texas
or Alabama? And then you kind of keep looking down
and then go like, okay, then we got Vanderbilt as well.
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What happens if Alabama loses?
Speaker 8 (24:49):
So?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Good question?
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Last year they did not punish SMU for losing the
AC Championship game, and so I don't know if that's
a precedent that they're gonna they're gonna always have or
just have it for last season. I was a believe
a three point game last year. If this is a blowout,
I do think Alabama could be out. The thing is
is that they is that they have to get Miami
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in and Notre Dame or or just Miami. Look, I
get the argument that right now, I would bet and
I agree with a Note Dame to win a game
against Miami, absolutely, but the game did happen in a
week like it actually happened, And if you ignore the
result of that game and a head to head, you're
invalidating all that's we do in sports, right, all the
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games you play, And so I just think they have
to fight a way to get Miami in, and maybe
that's that's how they get in, Right, Bama loses and
they drop out, and you put Miami and Notre Dame
in and everyone's really happy, But that has to happen
somehow your worst case scenario, obviously BYU wins and then
you have to sort of figure out, you know, how
we get everyone in, but or maybe in that situation
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it's just Miami and not Notre Dame. And I totally
get it was week one, but the game did happen.
I think if you and nor there was all that game,
you're really setting a bad precedent about these non conference games.
And why would you play these games if they don't
count toward the postseason? That that's the point really a
playing a big game like that is that it's a
tiebreaker for possible seeding in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Ole Miss? What what do you? What do you do
with ole Miss? With Lane Kiffen out gone, but Charlie
Weiss junior back calling plays.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
They don't make this up every year as they go,
don't they. Well, then they showed you last night that
they're not going to Florida State them right where Florida
State was dropped out because the quarterback was out, and
we did get to see one game without that quarterback.
So I think it made a little easier decision to
make that in that in that season. I think that
they're going to keep them where they are and just
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you know, hope that they don't blow up in a postseason.
I do think it's gonna be really really hard without
Lane Kiffin. I know they I know Weiss is back,
I get that, but you know, Lane is the is
the offensive guy, he's your offensive guru, and him not
being there, I think it's really going to matter towards
the end result for this game. So I'm kind of
curious to see how how how it ends up. But
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the committee told you last night that they don't care
because they didn't drop them and they're not playing this week,
So how much can you really drop a team that
that's not playing. So I think it was the right decision, right.
You don't want to punish the players and the staff
that's still there because your coach left. It's not their
fault that happened. And maybe because it was so messy,
they felt like even more like, you know, let's not
punish this group. It's not their fault got so messy.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Will Stein is going to be the next head coach
of Kentucky, right, So does that have an effect on
Oregon in the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (27:38):
That's a good question. I hope it doesn't obviously, you know,
but the way it works out now is, you know,
organiz do you have an opponent?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yet?
Speaker 7 (27:45):
We won't to have an opponent till till Sunday, And
so he could do all the Kentucky stuff he needs to, right,
signing days today for college football, so the the recruits
are in and and then when we get an opponent,
and then you get think two weeks to prepare for
that oponent, you'll come back to Oregon and he'll do
what he has to do to get ready. Look, I
think from his perspective and these other coaches, Tosh Lapoi
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might be in this spot. Bart Hartline's going to be
in the spot for South Florida as Ohio say it's oc.
This is a really good opportunity to sell yourself to everyone, right,
because whenever they talk about these teams and the coordinators,
they're gonna mention Will Stein, now head coach at Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Right.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
We saw this happen with Dan Lanning at Oregon. He
stayed on at Georgia to win that championship and every
time they mentioned his name, it said Oregon head coach, right,
And so I think these are good opportunities for all
these coaches that are assistants that are staying on through
the postseason to really shine right and get your name
out there, and more importantly, recruits get to see that
you're coaching in these playoff games.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, which is interesting that people so many in the
media have no memory and they criticize Lane Kiffrin for
wine to coach the team right, where again, it's done
at the court. I know it's different as head coach,
but it is done a lot as with coordinators. And
there are some head coaches. Eric Moore is still coaching
his team in North Texas, so some.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Raw I don't know the lame thing I think really
came from how messy it was. I think of Lane
if it was very quiet. He just takes the LSU job.
He has a team meeting, he sort of just does
it very quietly, like other ones that I think they
might have let him coach, but he just did it
so loud man.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
For two weeks in a row, we.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Had to hear something every day, rumors his family was
taking trips to these schools. I think that how noisy
it was really made difficult for old MISTI if you
consider that.
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Speaker 5 (31:30):
This is Game Tide on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Anyway to go up, Doug, The game today is for
better or worse? Right, Doug gets to tell us what
is better or worse. In these scenarios, we start off
with Hall of Fame resume Bill Belichick versus Robert Kraft,
both finalists and their respective categories for induction into the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. Doug's Doug, whose Hall of
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Fame resume is better or worse? Bill Belichick versus Robert.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Craft, Belichick's is better. You know, nothing happens without the
owner's money. But the Patriots were probably at their best
when the Crafts stayed out of it. So if the
best thing you've done for your football team is stay
out of it and let the experts do it. I
struggle to put you in the Hall of Fame ahead
of a guy who went to nine Super Bowls and
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won six of them.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
All Right, Doug, for don't you guys agree that the
if they let Craft in with Belichick, it'll be a
huge fu to Belichick knowing their relationship.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
The powers that be have to.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Know you cannot allow them in on the same year.
They cannot share this thing.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I think they have to isolate it. Let Craft in
next year.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, I agree, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
You know, sometimes they like to make a year about
one team or two, so then that team plays in
the Hall of Fame game and it's a celebration of
that organization. That would be the only reason why I
think that they would do that, which would be absolutely
miserable for Bill Belichick. All right? For better or Worse?
Twenty twenty six Starting quarterback in Cleveland, Deshaun Watson versus
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Shador Sanders twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty six, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Six, I'm gonna versus Shadoor Sanders versus who again to
Shawn Watson I'm gonna go to Shaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Is the better option? Kay? All right? For better or worse?
Twenty twenty five fall from Grace Kansas City Chiefs versus
Detroit Lions, both teams on the outside looking in of
the playoff.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Uh, Man, I'm gonna go Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
It's been worse, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Because I mean, yes, the Lions have been really good
the last couple of years, but the Chiefs have really
been the AFC Championship Game or Super Bowl every year
since Pat Mahomes has been a starting quarterback. And right
now they're on the outside looking in the playoffs and
it's not like the AFC is stacked. So I think
that's that's a bigger fall from Grace.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
All right? For better or Worse? Giannis and Tetracunpo destination
the New York Knicks against the Atlanta Hawks. Nicks, we
know that Gianna says in an interest in the Hawks
have been a team that many have pointed to is
possibly having assets that Milwaukee would want.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Hm, that's a really good question.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
It's a very good seems pretty easy to me. Who
the hell wants to see him on the on the Hawks?
Nobody one of the most forgettable franchises in the history
of sports versus the Knicks seems easy to me here.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It is easy, but again I'm I'm trying to figure
out is if it I guess my problem, Jase Dow
is my basketball brain working like huh hmm hmm. But
the Knicks are the one that brings the most attention.
The problem with the Knicks would be, you know, you
get as far as they got last year, then they
(35:09):
fire the coach. It's kind of the I mean, it's
kind of like the Bucks, right, you end up firing
a coach and changing players when you were right there,
and now do you actually set yourself back? But I
would in terms of interesting and Jay Stu tells everybody
he doesn't care if you're good or bad. He just
wants content. Contract has to be interesting, the Knicks are
(35:31):
way more interesting than the Hawks.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
All right, Doug for better or worse? Conference championships football
versus basketball. So we're talking about postseason events. So college
basketball tournament, conference tournaments or college football championship games.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Oh, college basketball tournaments are way better because it does
it gives you new life. You know, they are, even
though they continue to expand a lot of them are
traditional locations, and a loss doesn't it's not as punitive. Plus,
guys don't get hurt as often as they do when
they're playing in the football championships, which it has the
(36:10):
most dramatic change in the playoffs. I think college basketball
tournament championships are way better and college football is way worse.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
All right, this may be instead of better or worse
more important, less important, but for the sake of the game,
for better or worse important. NCAA date National Signing Day
versus Transfer Portal Opening.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Day, Transfer Portal Opening Day much more important.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Huh. Today is National Signing Day for college football, seeing
guys sign everywhere. Chris Henry Junior has put his signing
at Ohio State on hold at this point after Brian
Hartline is leaving for the South Florida job. So something
to watch here over the next hold a couple of days,
and that is game time.
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I got a couple of things I want to get to.
I want to get to the colle football rankings in
one second. I do want to talk about Chris Paul
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and how it's ending in the NBA with him. Isn't
it interesting on how how few of these stars when
they're done it ends well, Like even Peyton Manning who
won a Super Bowl. Remember very unhappy that mid season
(01:28):
his last year, he was replaced and then he got
his job back at the start of the playoffs, and
the defense carried him because his arm was was shot
like that. That's literally what happens Brett Farvees last year.
Remember he had retired again, and then Chile sent three
(01:52):
dudes down to Mississippi. He came back and he had
that he had that Nike had on that looked like
it had He've been on the tree actor for years
with that same hat on, remember that one. I mean,
you go through some of these guys. They they end
poorly more often than they end well. And man, Chris Paul,
(02:15):
it's it's one thing to get cut in what appears
to be your last NBA gig. It's a whole thing
to get cut by the Clippers when he kind of
legitimized the Clippers in this era of Clipper basketball. He
was lob City. But it is in the old you
can't go home again. I give you, Chris Paul, you
(02:39):
can't go home again. But I mean, think about it.
A guy who was he's gonna be a Hall of
Fame player. He was head of the players Association. He's
one of the He's one of, if not the most
premier true point guard we've had in years, like since
Jason Kidd. He's probably the best sure point guard. And
(03:03):
yet he goes back to the team that he brought
legitimacy to and couldn't even make it to the midway
point of the season. Then you go with the Janis
and Tennekupo and the agent initiating talks about, Yeah, I
don't know if it's the best place for Yanis to be.
(03:26):
Does anyone think there's any way in which Yannis stays
in Milwaukee? Because I do not. I do not. And
obviously the seed was planted early in the summer when
he said New York was a place that he would consider.
New York never stepped up. But once you start the
idea of trading away Yannis, it's really hard to ever
(03:47):
get that relationship back. And then once Yanna says, hey,
maybe we should take a look at whether or not
this is the place long term, we know what that means, right,
we know what that means. That means he's gonna be moved.
Any doubt, dan Byer, any doubt in that I have,
(04:07):
I personally without any sort of knowledge as to what
the discussions are. But when you hear that, you know
he's gonna be moved. Would you disagree with that in
any way?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
No? No, he should have been moved this past offseason.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean it was the perfect time to move him,
right Lilard Torre's Achilles. This run appears to be dead
and they tried to you know what happens is And again,
you can use this with Chris Paul. You can use
the analogy with Giannis. You can use it with that
anytime something appears to be done and then you're like, hey,
(04:43):
let's just run it back one more time. I always
I love this analogy. Dan, you played basketball, so you
know pick up basketball on a Sunday morning. Picture your
local high school or uh, you know some people it's
a church where they have a gym before services or
after services. Every every dos no matter what time of
(05:06):
day it is, there comes a point you're an hour
hour and a half in where the games start getting
a little yanky, and guys have things to do. You
gotta take your kid to school, or go to a
soccer game, or you gotta go and run an errand
and you lose one guy after the next, and pretty
soon you're like, hey, last game, you run it. It's
a decent game. It's over. And then you still have
(05:26):
technically nine ten guys who want to play, and they
turn to you and go, hey man, you want to
one run one more And you're looking at these other
guys and it appears they all want to go and
do it one more time. It's like, all right, fine,
what happens that last game? Somebody always gets hurt, maybe
somebody catches an elbow and wants to fight. Something always
(05:46):
goes bad when you extend it beyond it's it's actual
du date. And that's what's happened with Chris Paul. Like, hey,
his career really should have been over in Phoenix a
couple of years ago. That was that was the deal.
And for Giannis, to Dan's point, he's right. You know,
you tried to move some things around. You tried the
Lillard thing. That didn't work. Then Lillard tears is an Achilles
(06:09):
ten and you're like, we're not this is not a
championship team. Well, we spend all this money on Doc,
we spent all this money these guys. Let's get as much,
you know, juice out of that orange as possible, like
that thing's already been squeezed, already been squeezed.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's funny too when you look at just on how
it's transpired. The team is five years removed from winning
their NBA title. It feels like it's ten years, to
be honest with you, like it just feels like it
was a long long time ago. But it's every step
like the next year they heck, even ESPN's putting it
on the screen right now. The next year they lost
(06:47):
to Boston in a game seven in the Eastern Conference
semi finals. And then there's just been nothing since and
they have been caught in limbo. But also you've got
Giannis now, who's turning thirty one in a couple of days.
Now you wonder what is what is the package, Like
what could you actually get for him? He's broken down
(07:10):
at the end of previous seasons over the last couple
of years. Sure, nothing is so now even the point
of I'm sure there may be one team, but again,
there was only one team that Yanis had interest in
going to this offseason, and that was the Knicks. So
now the value that you get back is just and
how much is that team gonna want to really believe
(07:32):
that Jannis is a long term solution as opposed to
maybe just helping them bring a title to wherever this year.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, then the other part to Gianniss, he almost has
to be the center. Like the way he plays, He
has to be kind of the guy you go to
and then have everybody else have space around him. And
can you still is he still capable of doing that,
of playing that way, of dominating that same passion.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yes, A lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
A lot of questions, a lot of questions real quick.
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Treaties, Dan Byrum tug Gottlieb,
Jay Stew's Around of course. So as Iowa sam College
Fwall playoff rankings came out last night and basically here's
where it stands. Okay, the top doesn't truly matter Ohio
(08:23):
State one, Indiana two, although they play this week. So
the question is if if when they lose, one of
them has to lose, right, how far do they fall?
How far do they fall? And then you have Georgia
who plays Alabama. Alabama's at nine, which you would think
(08:45):
it protects them if they lose. You think they're going
to get in. Okay, but how far do they drop
if they if they lose to Georgia Texas Tech plays
this week against b Yu b YU would not they're
eleventh in the field. But when you're eleventh in the field,
if you beat Texas Tech, you're in. If you lose,
(09:07):
you're probably out. Then you have Miami and Texas sitting
there waiting hoping, right, because you also have Duke playing
this weekend, they get in the college for a playoff
that they win this weekend, those would be bid steals. No, wait,
they don't get in.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I was I had to be brushed up on this too,
So Dan, if you could help me explain Duke. Basically,
because they're not ranked, they only give It's not even
technically an auto qualifier, like you still have to be
a high ranked conference champion in order to get into
the playoff, Dan, anything you want to clean up there.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So in terms of they would take the top five
conference champions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that Duke being
the ACC champion would be one of the top five.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
If Duke could win the ACC championship and be left
out of the playoff, and that actually, if they do
win it that's likely.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
What would happen, I think, you know, I believe, I
think they would manipulate the rankings in a certain way
to allow them to be in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, I mean again, the ones that are interesting are
BYU has got to win to be in, right, we
all believe that. I mean, it doesn't they can lose
by a point, we're not getting in with They got
to win to get in and so that has a
direct effect on everybody ranked above and below them. Alabama.
Alabama is probably the most interesting team this weekend. Right,
(10:27):
they win, like that helps Oklahoma who beat them, Right,
and it obviously solidifies Alabama And how far does it
knock down Georgia? Well, how far does in the like
the whole thing is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Well, the big ones are Alabama and BYU. Because what
is set up in terms of BYU losing is the
metric that the committee keeps pointing to is that they
haven't been using the head to head of Notre Dame
in Miami because the teams haven't been next to each other.
So if BYU would lose, that would mean that Miami
then could move up a spot and would be next
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to Notre Dame, and that would allow the Hurricanes then
to flip spots with Notre Dame because they beat them
in the opening week of the season.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
M and then Texas doesn't get that same benefit of
doubt because they're not next to Texas.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
A and M.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Right, they're there behind.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yes, Texas needs a chance with this.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They need Alabama to lose. They need b Y you lose, right, Yes,
that's what they need to have happened for them to
have any sort of chance. Alabama has to lose. And
then and and if Georgia wins, they they beat george
they lose to Georgia. Wait, who hold on?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Who Texas lost to Georgia. They got lost to Georgia. Yeah,
they got crushed by Yeah, but Texas has good wins,
like that's the thing is they've.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But they also want Ohio State to win. It does
look better when if well, Hiwo States the number one
seed and they beat you in a close game, that
you want that to happen as well.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yes, And Sarkisian even said, and he's been on the
record the past couple of days of not playing high
profile games if they don't make it in they actually
host Ohio State next year. There was a comment made
yesterday on I believe on Sirius XM, where you talked
about not playing that game next year.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
There's zero Let me just tell you something right now. Okay,
working in an athletic department, I can tell you right
now there is no chance Texas gets out of that
game next year. None. That game is going to generate
so much revenue for the city of Austin and for
his all those tickets because you can charge whatever you
(12:41):
want to get into DKR at the Darryl Royal Stadium. Okay,
there's no chance of getting out of it now. Will
they play the games in the future, Maybe not. Maybe
he gets out of it, but he ain't getting out
of that one. You get out of a future road game,
you're not getting out of a home.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Game ultimately as well, like when you're the see we're
sitting here arguing about a bunch of SEC schools as well.
And yes, if we focus on the bad losses, they
focus on the bad losses, the committee does. I'd rather
focus on the wins than the bad losses, but that's
how they try to split hairs. But it's also a
conference that, yeah, right now is at eight conference games.
(13:18):
And if you played nine, maybe you would have more clarity.
Now that doesn't do what's best for the league, but
that may have done what's better for Texas or Alabama
in this situation.
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But again, a lot of this we won't know until
the dust settles after the games this weekend.
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
So what happened on Sunday when Jerry Judy was explaining
something to Shador Sanders right, Lots of people assumed that
it was an older wide receiver chastising the young quarterback.
When the older wide receiver leads the league in drops.
Here's Jerry Judy, who is that wide receiver. He was
(14:31):
compelled to tell reporters what what he did wrong during
the animated conversation with Shdor on the sidelines on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Thought I would have done different. I probably just home,
probably taught them off camera. No, that's probably what I
would have done different. Of Kahoma's people in mind and
tell me what and say what I need what I
see out there? You know it what it is football
and man just being sure, dog good. You know, it's
stuff like that happens. You know, y'all gonna make it
bigger than what it is, you know, because the media,
you know, and that's what you'll feed off of negativity,
(14:58):
I know, but it what it is. This is the
life you live, so you know, we move on from it.
And I live in real life, you know. So what
happened around and just locker room?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Just real now?
Speaker 6 (15:09):
What's going on on social media and everything? So you
and should dog good?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Everything good and we're great, he'll be I actually agree
with him in this sense. I know we all that
so many on social media want to jump on Jerry
Judy without hearing what he's talking about it doesn't matter.
You can be animated. Again, I've you can view it
however you want to view it how I view it.
Is Again, if it's two guys talk about what they saw,
(15:33):
what they didn't see, what he thought happened, like, I
don't honestly care. But this is the problem with when
there's cameras everywhere and we don't have audio, and oh yeah,
by the way, you have lots of people who haven't
been on sidelines or aren't part of that sidelines. You
make assumptions and so many and social media are so
(15:55):
overprotective of Shador Sanders, like he's a big boy. If
if a wide receiver is wrong for coming at him
for a mistake that he alleged to make, he can
handle or his coach can handle it, you aren't helping.
You're no better, no worse than a helicopter parent. So
I actually believe what Jerry Judy is saying, even if
(16:18):
he didn't actually say what happened, but he's saying like, hey,
look man, I'm just telling him what I saw. Jeff
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I would have said what I said just off camera,
and he said the media wants to make everything negative.
I actually agree with him here because I don't know
what was being said. I don't know who else could
have known what was being said. But you played in
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the league. I didn't your thoughts on Jerry Judy and
Shade or Sanders animated conversation on the sideline.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
It's an emotional game, and we yell at each other
every now and then, Like I don't like you yell
at coaches. Coaches yell at you. I've I've been cussed
out by Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin and we've said
words back to them, and I mean, they just yell
at each other like it's an emotional game. He played
for three hours. It's a physical game. You just yell
at each other. Like I I take nothing more than
than what it was. Judy was upset, he was open,
(17:30):
you know on in that first window, on that play
where he was overthrown. He wants to win. I would
imagine he wants to make a play, he wants a
team to be good, and he's just voicing his opinion.
I'm glad he said. He would still have that conversation
if the cameras weren't there. And that's the unfortunate part
about a lot of this is your cameras are on
your face, and guys might not feel as comfortable to
share how they feel. But I have no problem with it.
(17:52):
That's what happens during the game. You get you get heated,
and you yell each other every now and then.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I I agree with you. I yelled at you actually
while you're on hold. You didn't even know it. I'm
it's funny, Like no, it's a real thing. Like if
I've been miked up before, and you know, for our games,
a lot of times I'm miked up, and then I
a lot of times the camera guy after was like, hey,
when our coaches were in an animated discussion, to catch that,
like we're gonna cut that out. Right, Yeah, like even coaches,
like you're in the middle of a game and sometimes
(18:17):
you can be snippy with each other and it, you know,
you catch the wrong moment, it can look the wrong way.
Jeff Schwartz is joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. How good do you think
shod Or Sanders actually is.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
I think the problems are starting to show. They had
a call at Colorado, and they're fixable. He just has
to fix them, right, He's he needs to be more
in rhythm now. Of course, you would hope that with
more practice and and some more time, you know, game
reps and whatnot, that that rhythm will come. But that's
what's holding him back now, I think is in you
watch them play, it's just not very it's not on
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you know, on time and and and where it's supposed
to be. You know, when the ball is supposed to Yeah,
that's a big part of playing the position.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
You might you might know where the ball is going,
but if you don't throw it on time, so everyone
is hurt. And you know that that time to throw
number is very, very slow, and you cannot operate playing
that slow at that position. The ball's got to be
gone as well as possible. So if you can keep
improving there, I think he's got a chance. The thing
I thought about Sanders, even if he was drafted twentieth overall,
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these are things he had to work on from college.
And the one thing that's very difficult we're finding with
more data now is if you can sacked a lot
in college, you kind of get sacked a lot in
the NFL like that. Just sort of it's it's hard
to break that habit, and Kayleb Williams is doing a
good job of it this year breaking that habit. He
was sacked a ton at USC and he's sort of
breaking that this year. So you certainly can't do it,
(19:43):
but it does take a while. So I think for Sanders,
just sort of continuing to just learn to play more
on rhythm, I think is the biggest improvement he can
make right now.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Jeff Schwartz
is our guest. Okay Bears Bears this weekend before they
play the Packers. Are you a believer into the legitimacy
of the Bears?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Legitimate like they're gonna win the NFC or just sort
of they've gotten better.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, I mean, they clearly got better. I don't think
anybody can argue that. But right now they're the number
one scene. Yeah, okay, what like again, do you think
of them at the level of the rest of the
teams that are likely to make the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
I don't, But I'll tell you what I really do
like about what I'm seeing from Chicago. So when you
have a new coach, even new coordinators, new quarterback, and
they have all of those all at once in Chicago,
it takes about eight to twelve weeks so the regular
season to start really noticing good or bad, whether the
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coordinator is gonna work. The flip side of this might
be what we're seeing Philly right now, or the offense
just has just come to a complete grinding halt about
the same time as the Bears offense is taking off.
And that's what I see. What I see is is
that ever Ben Johnson's coaching, whatever they're doing in that building,
it's working, and we're seeing that happen. I know Eagles
(21:07):
have their problems, but that was a very validating winner
right now because they did it physically right. They physically
beat a team that we don't see get physically beat
the line of scrimmage very very often. And so I
think what is happening in Chicago is that whatever Ben
Johnson's coaching, he's preaching, he's teaching, and that includes his staff.
By the way, it's really paying off because you're seeing
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that that success and we're seeing sort of every quarter
of the season. We're now basically in the quarter four
that Kayleb Williams is getting better and you want to
you want him playing better in every quarter obviously, because
I think individual games hard to evaluate just bad game,
good game. It's more just like over four games, right,
how's he playing? And so I think you gotta be
really excited right now if you're a Bears fan about
the future of the team. It's not good enough to
(21:49):
win a championship this year, probably not good enough to
make an answer championship game, but the future is pretty bright.
I mean, this is exactly where you would like to
be this time of year with a brand new coach.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Doug Gottliebs show here on five Sports Trader Jeff Schwartz
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and lean you all the way up to kickoff. All right,
let's get to the college twall rankings. Indiana at two,
Ohio State at one. Like, let's let's start, and you
got Oregon, you're an organ duck alum. They're all in
the top five. And then there's nobody else right in
(22:20):
the Big Ten that that's in the mix there. What's
your best guess on what happens in the Big Ten
championship game? That doesn't mean much, but it does mean
who will be the number one overall seed.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
I think Ohio State wins. I think they're better than Indiana.
I don't think they're as good as you know last year,
right that the result we saw last season, But I
do think that they're better and I think that that there. Defensively,
we saw Indiana play the two best defense they played
this year. They discord thirty against Oregon, but Mendoza only
threw for two fifteen in that game. A couple turnovers
(22:52):
late added to that, and he gave up seven points
obviously to Oregon with a pick six. And then we
still play in Iowa, and Iowa was a really tough
for them. They needed a late touchdown to get over
two in yards passing, and I think that. You know,
if that's I don't think they can win this game
going for two hundred yards. They're gonna have to do
a little more than that. Now, I'm really excited to
see what has his offensive Indiana's defense. Indiana, I'll tell
(23:14):
you what, men, they they're a fascinating team, Doug, because
they don't do what I would consider like a lot
like what they do offensively inside zone RPO throughout to
the numbers. Defensively a ton of zone might be the
most zone in the country, and then they run these
zone pressures and it's they do it so well, so crisp.
(23:39):
They're so well coached, they don't make mistakes, they don't
have mental errors. That's really hard to beat them over
sixty minutes. When you play a team that's not as good,
you're just not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Now.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Ohio State is good enough right to sort of play
that solid game with them for that long. So I
think Ohio State wins. I think it's a really low
scoring game, and I do believe that both will still
have a buy after this weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
The simplicity in execution. Okay, so what happens to the
rest of the bracket, Like Alabama. Let's say they lose
to Georgia. They lose to Georgia. Now they have three losses,
three losses. What what happens again? Let's say let's say
b YU loses to Texas Tech. Okay, so they likely
(24:24):
fall out, right, Buses they're out, Okay. Notre Dame doesn't play,
so they would be in. Miami doesn't play, right, they
would be in Okay, and then you have Texas, would
have three loss three losses? Okay, does it become Texas
or Alabama? And then you kind of keep looking down
and then go like, okay, then we got Vanderbilt as well.
(24:47):
What happens if Alabama loses?
Speaker 8 (24:49):
So?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Good question?
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Last year they did not punish SMU for losing the
AC Championship game, and so I don't know if that's
a precedent that they're gonna they're gonna always have or
just have it for last season. I was a believe
a three point game last year. If this is a blowout,
I do think Alabama could be out. The thing is
is that they is that they have to get Miami
(25:11):
in and Notre Dame or or just Miami. Look, I
get the argument that right now, I would bet and
I agree with a Note Dame to win a game
against Miami, absolutely, but the game did happen in a
week like it actually happened, And if you ignore the
result of that game and a head to head, you're
invalidating all that's we do in sports, right, all the
(25:33):
games you play, And so I just think they have
to fight a way to get Miami in, and maybe
that's that's how they get in, Right, Bama loses and
they drop out, and you put Miami and Notre Dame
in and everyone's really happy, But that has to happen
somehow your worst case scenario, obviously BYU wins and then
you have to sort of figure out, you know, how
we get everyone in, but or maybe in that situation
(25:54):
it's just Miami and not Notre Dame. And I totally
get it was week one, but the game did happen.
I think if you and nor there was all that game,
you're really setting a bad precedent about these non conference games.
And why would you play these games if they don't
count toward the postseason? That that's the point really a
playing a big game like that is that it's a
tiebreaker for possible seeding in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Ole Miss? What what do you? What do you do
with ole Miss? With Lane Kiffen out gone, but Charlie
Weiss junior back calling plays.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
They don't make this up every year as they go,
don't they. Well, then they showed you last night that
they're not going to Florida State them right where Florida
State was dropped out because the quarterback was out, and
we did get to see one game without that quarterback.
So I think it made a little easier decision to
make that in that in that season. I think that
they're going to keep them where they are and just
(26:48):
you know, hope that they don't blow up in a postseason.
I do think it's gonna be really really hard without
Lane Kiffin. I know they I know Weiss is back,
I get that, but you know, Lane is the is
the offensive guy, he's your offensive guru, and him not
being there, I think it's really going to matter towards
the end result for this game. So I'm kind of
curious to see how how how it ends up. But
(27:08):
the committee told you last night that they don't care
because they didn't drop them and they're not playing this week,
So how much can you really drop a team that
that's not playing. So I think it was the right decision, right.
You don't want to punish the players and the staff
that's still there because your coach left. It's not their
fault that happened. And maybe because it was so messy,
they felt like even more like, you know, let's not
punish this group. It's not their fault got so messy.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Will Stein is going to be the next head coach
of Kentucky, right, So does that have an effect on
Oregon in the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (27:38):
That's a good question. I hope it doesn't obviously, you know,
but the way it works out now is, you know,
organiz do you have an opponent?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yet?
Speaker 7 (27:45):
We won't to have an opponent till till Sunday, And
so he could do all the Kentucky stuff he needs to, right,
signing days today for college football, so the the recruits
are in and and then when we get an opponent,
and then you get think two weeks to prepare for
that oponent, you'll come back to Oregon and he'll do
what he has to do to get ready. Look, I
think from his perspective and these other coaches, Tosh Lapoi
(28:07):
might be in this spot. Bart Hartline's going to be
in the spot for South Florida as Ohio say it's oc.
This is a really good opportunity to sell yourself to everyone, right,
because whenever they talk about these teams and the coordinators,
they're gonna mention Will Stein, now head coach at Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Right.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
We saw this happen with Dan Lanning at Oregon. He
stayed on at Georgia to win that championship and every
time they mentioned his name, it said Oregon head coach, right,
And so I think these are good opportunities for all
these coaches that are assistants that are staying on through
the postseason to really shine right and get your name
out there, and more importantly, recruits get to see that
you're coaching in these playoff games.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, which is interesting that people so many in the
media have no memory and they criticize Lane Kiffrin for
wine to coach the team right, where again, it's done
at the court. I know it's different as head coach,
but it is done a lot as with coordinators. And
there are some head coaches. Eric Moore is still coaching
his team in North Texas, so some.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Raw I don't know the lame thing I think really
came from how messy it was. I think of Lane
if it was very quiet. He just takes the LSU job.
He has a team meeting, he sort of just does
it very quietly, like other ones that I think they
might have let him coach, but he just did it
so loud man.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
For two weeks in a row, we.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Had to hear something every day, rumors his family was
taking trips to these schools. I think that how noisy
it was really made difficult for old MISTI if you
consider that.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
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with Dan Byer.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
This is Game Tide on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Anyway to go up, Doug, The game today is for
better or worse? Right, Doug gets to tell us what
is better or worse. In these scenarios, we start off
with Hall of Fame resume Bill Belichick versus Robert Kraft,
both finalists and their respective categories for induction into the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. Doug's Doug, whose Hall of
(31:58):
Fame resume is better or worse? Bill Belichick versus Robert.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Craft, Belichick's is better. You know, nothing happens without the
owner's money. But the Patriots were probably at their best
when the Crafts stayed out of it. So if the
best thing you've done for your football team is stay
out of it and let the experts do it. I
struggle to put you in the Hall of Fame ahead
of a guy who went to nine Super Bowls and
(32:24):
won six of them.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
All Right, Doug, for don't you guys agree that the
if they let Craft in with Belichick, it'll be a
huge fu to Belichick knowing their relationship.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
The powers that be have to.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Know you cannot allow them in on the same year.
They cannot share this thing.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I think they have to isolate it. Let Craft in
next year.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, I agree, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
You know, sometimes they like to make a year about
one team or two, so then that team plays in
the Hall of Fame game and it's a celebration of
that organization. That would be the only reason why I
think that they would do that, which would be absolutely
miserable for Bill Belichick. All right? For better or Worse?
Twenty twenty six Starting quarterback in Cleveland, Deshaun Watson versus
(33:11):
Shador Sanders twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty six, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Six, I'm gonna versus Shadoor Sanders versus who again to
Shawn Watson I'm gonna go to Shaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Is the better option? Kay? All right? For better or worse?
Twenty twenty five fall from Grace Kansas City Chiefs versus
Detroit Lions, both teams on the outside looking in of
the playoff.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Uh, Man, I'm gonna go Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
It's been worse, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Because I mean, yes, the Lions have been really good
the last couple of years, but the Chiefs have really
been the AFC Championship Game or Super Bowl every year
since Pat Mahomes has been a starting quarterback. And right
now they're on the outside looking in the playoffs and
it's not like the AFC is stacked. So I think
that's that's a bigger fall from Grace.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
All right? For better or Worse? Giannis and Tetracunpo destination
the New York Knicks against the Atlanta Hawks. Nicks, we
know that Gianna says in an interest in the Hawks
have been a team that many have pointed to is
possibly having assets that Milwaukee would want.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Hm, that's a really good question.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
It's a very good seems pretty easy to me. Who
the hell wants to see him on the on the Hawks?
Nobody one of the most forgettable franchises in the history
of sports versus the Knicks seems easy to me here.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It is easy, but again I'm I'm trying to figure
out is if it I guess my problem, Jase Dow
is my basketball brain working like huh hmm hmm. But
the Knicks are the one that brings the most attention.
The problem with the Knicks would be, you know, you
get as far as they got last year, then they
(35:09):
fire the coach. It's kind of the I mean, it's
kind of like the Bucks, right, you end up firing
a coach and changing players when you were right there,
and now do you actually set yourself back? But I
would in terms of interesting and Jay Stu tells everybody
he doesn't care if you're good or bad. He just
wants content. Contract has to be interesting, the Knicks are
(35:31):
way more interesting than the Hawks.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
All right, Doug for better or worse? Conference championships football
versus basketball. So we're talking about postseason events. So college
basketball tournament, conference tournaments or college football championship games.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Oh, college basketball tournaments are way better because it does
it gives you new life. You know, they are, even
though they continue to expand a lot of them are
traditional locations, and a loss doesn't it's not as punitive. Plus,
guys don't get hurt as often as they do when
they're playing in the football championships, which it has the
(36:10):
most dramatic change in the playoffs. I think college basketball
tournament championships are way better and college football is way worse.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
All right, this may be instead of better or worse
more important, less important, but for the sake of the game,
for better or worse important. NCAA date National Signing Day
versus Transfer Portal Opening.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Day, Transfer Portal Opening Day much more important.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Huh. Today is National Signing Day for college football, seeing
guys sign everywhere. Chris Henry Junior has put his signing
at Ohio State on hold at this point after Brian
Hartline is leaving for the South Florida job. So something
to watch here over the next hold a couple of days,
and that is game time.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
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It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Kind a lot to get to. I just showed a
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I don't know the middle of the week, the middle
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